June 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Chemical peels have come a long way. Forget the burning and peeling—today’s treatments are gentle, effective, and rooted in cutting-edge science. Board-certified dermatologist and skincare formulator Dr. Jennifer Linder explains how modern peels work with your skin, not against it.
Instead of relying on harsh damage, today’s formulations use optimal acid blends and skin-friendly pH levels to target acne, pigmentation, fine lines, and even cellular aging—without pain or downtime.
“You don’t have to feel the burn to get results,” says Dr. Linder, who emphasizes that comfort no longer means compromise. These new peels are safe for all skin tones, customizable, and effective year-round.
From teen breakouts to stubborn melasma, the right peel can transform your skin—minus the sacrifice. Connect with Dr. Linder on Instagram @JenniferLinderMD to learn more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Carefully chosen once in a lifetime, intense post-op
and care.
Vinegar is an acid.
Um, you know, apple juice isessentially like a type of acid.
It's all about, again, choosing.
What matters is the rightpercentage, the right type, each
different kind, and we tend touse fruit acids, some of the
most commonly used ones.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But it's interesting you comment because I think it
goes against my own mindset.
You know, I'm one of thesepeople like psychologically,
like I like feeling that burn isand people are like that's just
sick, only used once.
But it's interesting youcomment because I think it goes
against my own mindset.
You know, I'm one of thesepeople like psychologically,
like I like feeling that burnand people are like that's just
sick.
I'm like no, there's peoplelike us out there, like we feel
like if you're not appreciating,I tell the patients to expect
it to be a pretty easyexperience.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Welcome to Dermot Trotter.
Don't swear about skincare.
We're host Dr Shannon C Trotter.
Don't Swear About Skin Care.
Where host Dr Shannon C Trotter, a board-certified
dermatologist, sits down withfellow dermatologists and
skincare experts to separatefact from fiction and simplify
skincare.
Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the Dermot Trotter Don't Swear About Skin
Care podcast.
I have a special guest on heretoday, dr Linder.
She's a board certifieddermatologist and fellowship
trained skin cancer surgeonusing Mo's micrographic
technique.
Prior to founding Linder Health, dr Linder founded and served
as chief scientific officer forPCA Skin.
She has been a medical advisorand trainer for multiple fillers
(01:20):
, biostimulators and neurotoxins.
She's also published andlectured on a broad spectrum of
topics including aesthetics,dermatology, product development
and, of course, skincare, andwe brought her on the podcast
today to talk more aboutchemical peels.
So welcome to the podcast.
It's great to have you with us.
Thanks for having me, of course.
Of course you know chemicalpeels are things you know.
(01:41):
Patients always want to getmore information about.
You know they're talking.
You know to their friends aboutthem.
They read about them in amagazine or maybe even gone in
to talk to their dermatologist.
Can you kind of just explain?
You know what exactly is achemical peel.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So, in the simplest terms, a chemical peel is a way
of harnessing some of yourbody's natural ability to
trigger cell turnover.
When we're babies, our cellsturn over like every two weeks,
and then when you go into your30s, it's about once a month and
as you get a little bit older,like myself, in that plus 50
range you're down to like evenlike as long as every 90 days,
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sometimes even as many as longas 120 days.
So as that cell turnoverprocess slows down, that means
the new baby cells aren't risingfrom the bottom up to the top.
So one of the things that apeel can do and this is what we
kind of thought it primarily didwas actually get those new
cells to go from the bottom tothe top.
And when you do that, you'rebringing new young cells to the
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surface at the same time asdoing cell turnover in terms of
pigmentation, bringing collagenin elastin, all these different
things.
But you're also harnessing thewound healing process and we now
understand you're doing morethings as well, and that's kind
of where the science has gottenmore interesting in the last
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Very cool but also depressing the way you mentioned
how this goes down over timeand that cell turnover for us is
not something that we maintainlike we would like to, but good
news that we have chemical peelsto maybe help with that.
Like you said, you know whenyou think about chemical peels
you mentioned this a little bitand kind of like who you know
would be maybe a good candidateor what type of skin needs are
we addressing with peels.
(03:20):
So somebody comes into youroffice and says, hey, I need a
chemical peel.
When you're assessing them,what types of things are you
thinking a peel may help youwith?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So it really is.
Everything from acne is one ofmy actually favorite things to
do it for, so I love havingteenagers, young adults, come in
.
Even those patients come in asoften as every two weeks because
we're really trying to get thecell turnover open up the pores,
get the skin to heal, but themost common situation is just
overall skin health, anythingthat is preventative, that whole
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anti-aging category.
And then the thing that reallyI think is the real absolute
sweet spot of chemical peels isanything related to pigmentation
, whether it is pigmentationfrom sun damage, so,
unfortunately, like too much sun.
That's one of the things thatusually is.
The first sign of aging ispigmentation, whether or not
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it's brown spots or somethinglike melasma, which is that we
used to say called the mask ofpregnancy but really is.
It can actually even happen inmen, but it tends to have a
hormonal component to it, wherepeople end up with kind of brown
patches.
You can almost take an outlineof them on their cheeks or
foreheads.
Actually can be anywhere on thebody.
(04:35):
But peels really are the onething that does better than even
peels I mean even better thanlaser when it comes to lifting
hyperpigmentation.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And that's something a lot of people come in and
complain about.
You know, the hyperpigmentationlike you mentioned, sun damage
or, you know, maybe geneticfactors play a role for that too
, and very frustrated too,especially the lack of response,
you know, with using a topicalcream that they may have
exhausted for months and notseeing much of any result.
But when you think of then, ofsomebody coming in for a peel,
are there certain patients thatyou would look at or skin types
(05:10):
that it's, you know, moredifficult to do a peel on, or
just need to know the right wayto peel their skin, because
everyone gets a little cautious.
You know I've had somebody hada peel.
They turned out they got moredark marks or they got too light
of marks on their skin.
How do you handle that for apatient that's coming in and
asking about a peel in theirskin type?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, it really does come down to, of course,
educating yourself as aphysician or caregiver and the
patient themselves, becausepeels are as broad as saying
laser.
Right, you can have somethingthat is designed to be basically
peel all the skin off laser,almost like a full ablative
laser, resurfacing where it istaking deep, etched in lines out
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.
Now, those patients you wantwhat we call a fit to tactic one
to three, which are palerpatients like you and me.
You've had a lot of sun damage,a lot of etched in lines,
carefully chosen.
Once in a lifetime, intensepost-op and care.
Once in a lifetime, intensepost-op and care.
(06:11):
That's one far spectrum.
The other, spectrum is literallycan be done in everybody,
whether or not you are type oneand have red hair and freckles,
or you have deep, dark ebony,melanated skin, and can be used
on anybody in that spectrum.
What matters is the right peelis chosen for the right patient,
just like we do anything inmedicine.
It's understanding that choicethat makes all the difference.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And I think it's good for patients to understand that
, because a lot of peoplesitting out there like well, I
know my friend, she got thispeel and it worked fantastic for
her.
I went and did it and it didn'treally accomplish anything I
was looking for.
So I really like how youhighlight it's really individual
to the patient, based on theirneeds, potentially also skin
type and what might beappropriate.
So I think people kind of justassume a chemical peel is a
(06:54):
chemical peel, right, and weknow as dermatologists you can
really cater to the patient andwhat you're trying to accomplish
.
So now that we're kind ofdiving into that a little bit
more on the chemical peel level,do you mind going over and I
know there's a lot to thisquestion just some basics of the
different types of chemicalpeels that are out there?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I'd be more than happy to.
So one of the peels I'vementioned was the deeper peels.
Those are the things that tendto have like phenol or TCA in
them and basically a chemicalpeel is what is the one
consistency across all thedifferent kinds are acids, and
acid can sound scary it's a wordthat can sound a little bit
(07:34):
daunting, but don't forget that.
You know vinegar is an acid.
You know apple juice isessentially like a type of acid.
It's all about, again, choosing.
What matters is the rightpercentage, the right type, each
different kind, and we tend touse fruit acids, some of the
most commonly used ones.
Different things have differentcapabilities.
(07:57):
I like to say it's much likecooking.
You can take the sameingredients.
You know, eggs, butter, salt,flour, sugar, and you can make a
million different types ofbaked goods.
It's all about how it's puttogether, how you actually cook
with it.
Right To make differentdelicious things.
And peels are like that too,and that's sort of where I get
is my like personal sweet spotis thinking about the product
(08:20):
development side.
How do I take differentingredients, and I personally
love to do blends of ingredients.
Those are actually the type ofpeels I recommend.
The things I'm going to betalking that I think are the
most useful in general are whatwe used to define as being
superficial chemical peels.
I don't want people to thinkthat means it's not doing much.
Matter of fact, I think they doa lot.
(08:41):
We tend to do those more inseries, even though you can see
a great result in just onetreatment rather than having.
But series are often.
What is the way you get yoursort of best case scenario
Versus if you're doing like amedium or a deep chemical peel,
that tends to be a one time,maybe even just one time in your
lifetime kind of thing, andthat's you know, that's when
(09:03):
you're really taking out the toplayers of the skin.
So let's just decide we'regoing to talk about more of that
kind of what we refer to assuperficial cochemical peels,
because those are the thingsthat in general are best for
everybody and can do treat thewidest swath of, whether or not
it's anti-aging or differentdisease processes.
(09:23):
So in general, most things tendto be fruit acids and those
fruit acids some of the onesthat sort of became really known
during the 90s were glycolicacid.
You might have heard about thatSometimes you'll see it in
washes even, and the higher thepercentage.
Often with those, the lower thepH is, and the lower the pH
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often means it goes deeper andmight sting more.
So with those situations theglycolic acid molecule is a
sugar molecule and it's reallysmall, but that means it goes
quite deep quickly.
It's the reason why glycolicacid tends to tingle and burn
and kind of feel funny.
Now, during the 90s, this wasthe first one we started using,
(10:08):
but now we understand thatglycolic acid can actually be
quite dehydrating.
So I like to say that ifthere's one thing people take
away from my entire talk, pleaseremember glycolic acid should
only be used for oily or acneprone patients, whether or not
it is in a cleanser or if it'sin a peel.
Just remember that.
(10:29):
Glycolic acid, the science fromthe nineties, we've been able
to improve it and please justsave it for that situation.
Now, on the opposite end of thespectrum, is something called
lactic acid, and lactic acid isa molecule that is what we call
the natural moisturizing factorof the cell, which is almost you
can think about it like thesponge inside the cell that
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holds onto water.
So that is an ingredient whereyou actually, by choosing that
type of acid, is actually goingto hydrate the skin from the
inside, so the opposite ofglycolic acid.
So one is dehydrating anddrying the skin and works on
oily prone skin and lactic acidis hydrating.
So I love to use lactic acidanytime I'm dealing with
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somebody with more mature skin,or basically most of us actually
want to have our skin be in ahealthy place, and lactic acid
anytime I'm dealing withsomebody with more mature skin
or basically most of us actuallywant to have our skin be in a
healthy place, and lactic acidis a great reason for doing that
.
Then the next thing you thinkabout in terms of choosing
ingredients is what else am Iwanting to do?
And if I'm wanting to thinkabout acne or I might want to be
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thinking about, what qualitiesdo I want a peel to have?
We often have found now thatpatients don't want the downtime
of the skin sheeting off andbeing like a snake.
So if you can get the skin tocome off in tiny little bits
same amount comes off, but itcan come off like dandruff
instead then most people likethe experience better.
(11:53):
So to do that, you actuallychoose an acid that has what's
called an aromatic ring and itjust sort of chops up the
desmosomes in a different way,those little things that glue
the skin cells to each other.
And to do that you do one of twothings.
You either do salicylic acid,which is one of the main
ingredients in aspirin, so it'salso non-inflammatory.
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Or you choose an ingredient likemandellic acid, which is one of
the main ingredients in aspirin, so it's also non-inflammatory.
Or you choose an ingredientlike mandelic acid, which also
has the same aromatic ring, alsoworks great on acne, because
it's going to go.
It has a lipophilic quality, soit's drawn to oil and so it can
get inside clogged pores.
And so, for everybody,salicylic acid and medallic acid
will open up the pores, makethe skin look more glowy, be
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anti-inflammatory and, as a justlifestyle thing, it chops up
the little peel flakes in tinylittle bits.
So those are.
By thinking about all thesedifferent ingredients, you can
combine them together so thatyou can have a less acidic, so
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essentially a higher pH, closerto skin's natural pH.
Capture what the ingredientsare doing without being
inflammatory, and get the cellturnover, get the working on the
acne component, the lipophiliccomponent, as well, as there's
all these kind of sexy newthings we can talk about down
the line that are anti-aging inturn to senescent cells and also
(13:25):
going after mitochondrialhealth.
There's just all these newthings that peels can do.
So that was a very long-windedanswer.
I think I might've evenforgotten what the question was
as I was talking, but to simplysay that peels can kind of do
everything for the skin, as longas you understand what the
ingredients are and what thegoal is.
(13:47):
And then that's where theskincare specialists or the
dermatologist decides okay, thisis the one that I think will
work best for you, based onwhat's going on for you, and
that's where I love theconsultation.
Right, I think that's whatmakes us special as doctors is
we look somebody in the eye,look at their skin and go okay,
today this is the thing to do,and you know what, in two weeks,
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when you come back, there mightbe even something different
that I want to do.
Also, don't underestimate whatjust one treatment can do, but
if someone is really wanting togo after something like melasma,
which is that more difficult totreat pigment often, then we're
thinking about more of a series.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So kind of jumping off of what you said throughout
there.
So it sounds like it's possiblemaybe to have your cake and eat
it too.
From the standpoint, you don'tnecessarily need a ton of
irritation to get results frompeels, is that right?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
That is spot on and that is really where the science
has changed.
So, you know, I've beenformulating with chemical peels
for 25 years.
I, you know, I founded onecompany, sold that.
Let it grow off and become itsown.
It's like having a kid go offto college you realize they're
going to make mistakes, they'regoing to have their own
successes.
(14:59):
But then during COVID I gotsuper obsessed with what was
going on in the longevity spaceand really understanding like,
oh my gosh, if we can thinkabout mitochondrial health, if
we can control inflammation, ifwe can think about senescence,
then we can do a better job.
And by thinking about okay, wedon't have to do the most
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aggressive amount of woundhealing to see a response.
We can actually get betterwound healing by controlling
inflammation.
So that led to thinking aboutokay, let's get the pH closer to
the natural skin pH, use lowerpercentages of ingredients and
then combine things together toget the best result and by doing
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that you can actually havenon-inflammatory chemical peels.
Which is a completely differentway of thinking about it in the
last, let's say, five yearscompared to what we were doing
for the last 30 years, becausereally the science hadn't really
changed that much in the last30 years, and before that it had
been 75 years or 100 yearssince changes happened.
(16:02):
And cool things is peels havereally been around since at
least Cleopatra's time.
She kept a herd of doggiesbecause she was doing using
lactic acid milk baths to keepher skin looking fresh.
She'd take a bath every day andsour milk so like the girl knew
what was going on.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, there may be somebody out there that's going
to try that now.
Just so you know.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
If they're up for keeping a herd of donkeys, go
for it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Have at it right.
Well, it's interesting youcomment on it because I think it
goes against my own mindset.
You know, I'm one of thesepeople like psychologically,
like I like feeling that burnand people are like that's just
sick.
I'm like, no, there's peoplelike us out there, like we feel
like if you're not appreciatingthat sensation or maybe seeing
those big sheets come off atonce, we're sitting there
wondering, hmm, is this peopledoing anything?
(16:49):
And I think it's just importantto highlight that because it's
going against that mantra.
I think it's just important tohighlight that because it's
going against that mantra.
I think of how some of us weretrained, or just psychologically
I'm that person.
It doesn't bother me.
In fact, I thinkpsychologically it convinces me
something's happening.
So I think there's going to besome people that will have to
convince that you can have boththe best of both worlds.
It's just like you know I lovecleansers, that lather.
(17:09):
If I don't appreciate a lather,it doesn't feel clean to me,
where a gel cleanser for somepeople they love that.
You know they don't care if itlathers.
So I think in dermatology foryou know, people going in to see
their dermatologist the factthey can get the best of both
worlds is really going to be agame changer for patients in the
concept of a chemical peel,because that scares a lot of
people off.
You've probably met somepatients once traditionally
things we used to offer andthinking they're going to go
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through that discomfort.
Thinking they're going to gothrough that discomfort, they're
like feel not for me, but thisopens a whole new world for
those patients for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, it's like you know, it's like that.
It's a whole new world.
You know the whole, like Disneysong.
It really is a game changer,because I think you are probably
almost normative, Like in termsof I think we've been telling
patients for so long that ifit's hurt, it's doing something.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
You've got to feel the burn right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's like exercise.
But we also know like withexercise you do too much, you
actually hurt yourself.
And it's potentially the samething that actually by
understanding the chemistry andI think this has been the big
thing is like actually thinkingabout the chemistry rather than
just thinking about okay, whatresult am I trying to get to.
It allows us to actually takeadvantage of science and do it
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better.
And so we can do it.
And I, you know, I've alwaysused this idea of when you're
treating a patient, tell them ona scale of zero to 10, you know
zero being nothing and 10 beingsuper uncomfortable where are
they?
And then, as long as you couldget to a, you know you'd say
like, oh, as long as there arefive or lower, you could do
another layer.
And the nice thing about thisis because I mean most of the
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time, the first time you treatsomebody, they might be like a
one or two, that's all they'refeeling, versus like these peels
I've been doing for my entirelifetime was like, oh, okay,
there's a little fire to start.
Like, just like, hold onthrough the pain, you're using
fans and everything else on themand that's just not necessary
anymore.
And so you really do have toand then convince somebody like,
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oh, no, this actually works, itfeels great.
And then I think all they haveto do is see the results the
first time and you have somebodybought in.
And it has such advantagesbecause it means that, like an
acne patient let's be honest,teenagers they are not coming
back to see you again if ithurts, like they, just they are
not going to do it.
So now I can get these kids tocome in regularly, and they are,
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and they are asking their momto come back.
But the other thing by nothaving inflammation and not
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having it hurt is with this newgeneration of chemical peels and
I like to call them basicallythe next generation and burn and
you would not tolerate itversus with these, I can do it
the same day as the appointment.
Just moments later I do itmyself, even because I can do it
so quickly.
And then their experience is.
The last thing I've done withthem is beautiful hands on them
and they're walking out with aglowing, beautiful skin rather
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than being like, oh my gosh,this woman stuck needles in my
face.
It's worth it, but, gosh, ithurt.
Instead it's like oh no, I lookfantastic and I can do it in
concert with IPL, intense pulselight.
I can do it with thenon-ablative lasers or even
microneedling, as long as it'sjust pinpoint, because it
doesn't hurt and because it'snon-inflammatory.
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So I can get more out ofprocedures that myself or my
staff have been doing for a longtime and can get an even better
result.
So it's added this flexibilitythat allows my patients to get
to an endpoint faster, and it'salso expanded the armamentarium
of my staff so that they canaccomplish more as well.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So if somebody comes in then and they're wondering,
okay, I'm ready to appeal, doyou warn them then that there
will be some discomfortdepending upon the type of
appeal or just variable based onpain response, or do you really
reassure them that this couldpotentially be painless for you
and still get the good result?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I tell most of my patients because primarily the
peels I'm doing in my office noware these peels that I
formulated, unless I'mspecifically going after doing
like a phenol-based peel ordoing a deeper TCA peel, which
is a totally different thoughtprocess, right?
So I tell my patients to expectlimited discomfort.
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Maybe it's like a littletingling kind of, almost like
that little itching sensation,more so than anything else, and
I have an exceptionally low painthreshold.
I mean exceptionally low.
Like Botox needles make me, justI have to.
Really I put numbing on myselffor all Botox, just just to give
you an idea of how bad I am andthis does not bother me and the
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least versus.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I used to really have to like fan and everything else
when I was doing evensuperficial chemical meals
before, so I tell the patientsto expect it to be a pretty easy
experience.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And that just makes it.
I think then they're just like,oh my gosh, all of a sudden it
becomes more like the experienceof getting a facial.
It's actually something theylook forward to and can relax,
because I do think one of thethings that makes this great at
what we do is that hands-onpiece, the fact because I do
believe that hands-on lookingsomebody in the eye, listening
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to them, communicating with themis a big piece of the healing
component, and I think the morewe can do to have it be a better
experience with them, with ahands-on experience, it lets
them feel better aboutthemselves, increases that level
of trust, gives them hope.
That I then do think has a hugefactor in the skin actually
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getting better and actuallyhealing, and so I think it
allows for more of that, and Ithink that's one of the things
that is my favorite component ofdoing these peels.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, you can definitely feel and see the
passion that you have forchemical peels and you kind of
alluded to this earlier.
But tell me a little bit moreabout your chemical peels you
developed and what makes themunique.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So the number one factor, so the I mean it's kind
of one of those things where Iwas during COVID, instead of
baking bread, started playingwith chemistry and many of my
old friends that were with myold company and some of my
scientists and chemists andeverything.
This is what we do.
Is we?
You know, we're all geeks,right?
(23:29):
This reason why we went intodermatology et cetera is that
you know, pubmed is what we readfor fun, and it came out that
peels can have benefit onsenescent cells, actually can be
a senolytic that can actuallyhelp with mitochondrial support,
as well as all the traditionalthings that we know about peels
in terms of collagen, elastin,all these different things.
So by the number one thingthat's different about the
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Linder Health peels and myfavorite one is called Hero is
that it is anti, it's anon-inflammatory peel.
That is the number one takeawayfrom this whole thing is that
it gives that flexibility to beable to do it in concert with
other things to be able to workon pigment anti-aging, actually
get the skin healthier overallafter multiple factors of what
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we call the 12 hallmarks ofaging.
And then the other thing isbecause of the fact that you
don't have to prep for them andyou don't have to limit patients
from what they're doing.
They can actually, withsunscreen on, go out into the
environment, go to their kids'soccer game, basketball game.
They can even be outside whereit's hot.
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It used to be that with peels,we'd have to limit them to the
colder months because you didn'twant people in the sun and you
didn't want them to get hot.
But with this peel, because it'snon-inflammatory, you can
actually do it year-round.
And what that means for myselfand my staff means that we can
actually assume that whensomebody is coming in, that we
can do a peel the same day.
So that means consult andtreatment automatically can
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happen without having to changesomebody's routine, and it just
makes that whole process simpler.
So I think that's one of thebiggest differences is that I
really wanted to think aboutokay, what are the pain points
for both the patient and theclinician?
You know we all want to keepchallenging ourselves in the
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spaces we love, and so that iswhat it kind of came down to is
like okay, can we make itnon-inflammatory?
Can we make it work better forlongevity?
How do we make it simpler?
And then the other thing thatmakes me crazy is is when
something is expensive to thepractice, literally to the
practice.
These peels are not expensive,which means they're not, they
don't have to be expensive tothe patient as a result.
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It just makes the whole processbetter across the board,
because all of us have the samegoal, which is get patients
healthier.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Wow, I mean, I think today's conversation is really
going to open our listeners'eyes to the fact that a chemical
peel might be something theycan consider For those scared
about the pain factor you'vehelped re reeducate that's not
necessarily the case and thefact that you know they're
versatile right, they canaccomplish a lot of goals that
sometimes I think we kind of go,oh, chemical peels, and they
kind of get put further downthis totem pole of how well they
(26:17):
truly can work for things thatwe want to actually treat in the
skin.
But you really illustrate thatthey can be impactful and, like
I mentioned before, you can haveyour cake and eat it to get the
results without the pain.
So thank you so much, jennifer,for coming on today.
This is a fantasticconversation for our listeners.
If they want to find you, doyou mind sharing where they can
locate you?
Sure?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You can find me at at Jennifer Linder, l I, n, d, e,
r M D that and.
Or you can find the uh, myselfand my company, and obviously I
do lots of things with that atat Linder Health.
So well, thank you again.
Please DM me ask questions.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, such a great time, and I know there's many
people out there looking to geta chemical peel now and probably
specifically asking for yours.
So thanks again for kind ofteaching us more about chemical
peels and stay tuned for thenext episode of Dermot Trotter.
Don't Swear About Skin Care.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
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Don't forget to subscribe,leave a review and share this
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Carefully chosen once in a lifetime, intense post-op
and care.
Vinegar is an acid.
Um, you know, apple juice isessentially like a type of acid.
It's all about, again, choosing.
What matters is the rightpercentage, the right type, each
different kind, and we tend touse fruit acids, some of the
most commonly used ones.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But it's interesting you comment because I think it
goes against my own mindset.
You know, I'm one of thesepeople like psychologically,
like I like feeling that burn isand people are like that's just
sick, only used once.
But it's interesting youcomment because I think it goes
against my own mindset.
You know, I'm one of thesepeople like psychologically,
like I like feeling that burnand people are like that's just
sick.
I'm like no, there's peoplelike us out there, like we feel
like if you're not appreciating,I tell the patients to expect
it to be a pretty easyexperience.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Welcome to Dermot Trotter.
Don't swear about skincare.
We're host Dr Shannon C Trotter.
Don't Swear About Skin Care.
Where host Dr Shannon C Trotter, a board-certified
dermatologist, sits down withfellow dermatologists and
skincare experts to separatefact from fiction and simplify
skincare.
Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the Dermot Trotter Don't Swear About Skin
Care podcast.
I have a special guest on heretoday, dr Linder.
She's a board certifieddermatologist and fellowship
trained skin cancer surgeonusing Mo's micrographic
technique.
Prior to founding Linder Health, dr Linder founded and served
as chief scientific officer forPCA Skin.
She has been a medical advisorand trainer for multiple fillers
(01:20):
, biostimulators and neurotoxins.
She's also published andlectured on a broad spectrum of
topics including aesthetics,dermatology, product development
and, of course, skincare, andwe brought her on the podcast
today to talk more aboutchemical peels.
So welcome to the podcast.
It's great to have you with us.
Thanks for having me, of course.
Of course you know chemicalpeels are things you know.
(01:41):
Patients always want to getmore information about.
You know they're talking.
You know to their friends aboutthem.
They read about them in amagazine or maybe even gone in
to talk to their dermatologist.
Can you kind of just explain?
You know what exactly is achemical peel.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So, in the simplest terms, a chemical peel is a way
of harnessing some of yourbody's natural ability to
trigger cell turnover.
When we're babies, our cellsturn over like every two weeks,
and then when you go into your30s, it's about once a month and
as you get a little bit older,like myself, in that plus 50
range you're down to like evenlike as long as every 90 days,
(02:15):
sometimes even as many as longas 120 days.
So as that cell turnoverprocess slows down, that means
the new baby cells aren't risingfrom the bottom up to the top.
So one of the things that apeel can do and this is what we
kind of thought it primarily didwas actually get those new
cells to go from the bottom tothe top.
And when you do that, you'rebringing new young cells to the
(02:37):
surface at the same time asdoing cell turnover in terms of
pigmentation, bringing collagenin elastin, all these different
things.
But you're also harnessing thewound healing process and we now
understand you're doing morethings as well, and that's kind
of where the science has gottenmore interesting in the last
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Very cool but also depressing the way you mentioned
how this goes down over timeand that cell turnover for us is
not something that we maintainlike we would like to, but good
news that we have chemical peelsto maybe help with that.
Like you said, you know whenyou think about chemical peels
you mentioned this a little bitand kind of like who you know
would be maybe a good candidateor what type of skin needs are
we addressing with peels.
(03:20):
So somebody comes into youroffice and says, hey, I need a
chemical peel.
When you're assessing them,what types of things are you
thinking a peel may help youwith?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So it really is.
Everything from acne is one ofmy actually favorite things to
do it for, so I love havingteenagers, young adults, come in
.
Even those patients come in asoften as every two weeks because
we're really trying to get thecell turnover open up the pores,
get the skin to heal, but themost common situation is just
overall skin health, anythingthat is preventative, that whole
(03:52):
anti-aging category.
And then the thing that reallyI think is the real absolute
sweet spot of chemical peels isanything related to pigmentation
, whether it is pigmentationfrom sun damage, so,
unfortunately, like too much sun.
That's one of the things thatusually is.
The first sign of aging ispigmentation, whether or not
(04:12):
it's brown spots or somethinglike melasma, which is that we
used to say called the mask ofpregnancy but really is.
It can actually even happen inmen, but it tends to have a
hormonal component to it, wherepeople end up with kind of brown
patches.
You can almost take an outlineof them on their cheeks or
foreheads.
Actually can be anywhere on thebody.
(04:35):
But peels really are the onething that does better than even
peels I mean even better thanlaser when it comes to lifting
hyperpigmentation.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And that's something a lot of people come in and
complain about.
You know, the hyperpigmentationlike you mentioned, sun damage
or, you know, maybe geneticfactors play a role for that too
, and very frustrated too,especially the lack of response,
you know, with using a topicalcream that they may have
exhausted for months and notseeing much of any result.
But when you think of then, ofsomebody coming in for a peel,
are there certain patients thatyou would look at or skin types
(05:10):
that it's, you know, moredifficult to do a peel on, or
just need to know the right wayto peel their skin, because
everyone gets a little cautious.
You know I've had somebody hada peel.
They turned out they got moredark marks or they got too light
of marks on their skin.
How do you handle that for apatient that's coming in and
asking about a peel in theirskin type?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, it really does come down to, of course,
educating yourself as aphysician or caregiver and the
patient themselves, becausepeels are as broad as saying
laser.
Right, you can have somethingthat is designed to be basically
peel all the skin off laser,almost like a full ablative
laser, resurfacing where it istaking deep, etched in lines out
(05:49):
.
Now, those patients you wantwhat we call a fit to tactic one
to three, which are palerpatients like you and me.
You've had a lot of sun damage,a lot of etched in lines,
carefully chosen.
Once in a lifetime, intensepost-op and care.
Once in a lifetime, intensepost-op and care.
(06:11):
That's one far spectrum.
The other, spectrum is literallycan be done in everybody,
whether or not you are type oneand have red hair and freckles,
or you have deep, dark ebony,melanated skin, and can be used
on anybody in that spectrum.
What matters is the right peelis chosen for the right patient,
just like we do anything inmedicine.
It's understanding that choicethat makes all the difference.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And I think it's good for patients to understand that
, because a lot of peoplesitting out there like well, I
know my friend, she got thispeel and it worked fantastic for
her.
I went and did it and it didn'treally accomplish anything I
was looking for.
So I really like how youhighlight it's really individual
to the patient, based on theirneeds, potentially also skin
type and what might beappropriate.
So I think people kind of justassume a chemical peel is a
(06:54):
chemical peel, right, and weknow as dermatologists you can
really cater to the patient andwhat you're trying to accomplish
.
So now that we're kind ofdiving into that a little bit
more on the chemical peel level,do you mind going over and I
know there's a lot to thisquestion just some basics of the
different types of chemicalpeels that are out there?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I'd be more than happy to.
So one of the peels I'vementioned was the deeper peels.
Those are the things that tendto have like phenol or TCA in
them and basically a chemicalpeel is what is the one
consistency across all thedifferent kinds are acids, and
acid can sound scary it's a wordthat can sound a little bit
(07:34):
daunting, but don't forget that.
You know vinegar is an acid.
You know apple juice isessentially like a type of acid.
It's all about, again, choosing.
What matters is the rightpercentage, the right type, each
different kind, and we tend touse fruit acids, some of the
most commonly used ones.
Different things have differentcapabilities.
(07:57):
I like to say it's much likecooking.
You can take the sameingredients.
You know, eggs, butter, salt,flour, sugar, and you can make a
million different types ofbaked goods.
It's all about how it's puttogether, how you actually cook
with it.
Right To make differentdelicious things.
And peels are like that too,and that's sort of where I get
is my like personal sweet spotis thinking about the product
(08:20):
development side.
How do I take differentingredients, and I personally
love to do blends of ingredients.
Those are actually the type ofpeels I recommend.
The things I'm going to betalking that I think are the
most useful in general are whatwe used to define as being
superficial chemical peels.
I don't want people to thinkthat means it's not doing much.
Matter of fact, I think they doa lot.
(08:41):
We tend to do those more inseries, even though you can see
a great result in just onetreatment rather than having.
But series are often.
What is the way you get yoursort of best case scenario
Versus if you're doing like amedium or a deep chemical peel,
that tends to be a one time,maybe even just one time in your
lifetime kind of thing, andthat's you know, that's when
(09:03):
you're really taking out the toplayers of the skin.
So let's just decide we'regoing to talk about more of that
kind of what we refer to assuperficial cochemical peels,
because those are the thingsthat in general are best for
everybody and can do treat thewidest swath of, whether or not
it's anti-aging or differentdisease processes.
(09:23):
So in general, most things tendto be fruit acids and those
fruit acids some of the onesthat sort of became really known
during the 90s were glycolicacid.
You might have heard about thatSometimes you'll see it in
washes even, and the higher thepercentage.
Often with those, the lower thepH is, and the lower the pH
(09:46):
often means it goes deeper andmight sting more.
So with those situations theglycolic acid molecule is a
sugar molecule and it's reallysmall, but that means it goes
quite deep quickly.
It's the reason why glycolicacid tends to tingle and burn
and kind of feel funny.
Now, during the 90s, this wasthe first one we started using,
(10:08):
but now we understand thatglycolic acid can actually be
quite dehydrating.
So I like to say that ifthere's one thing people take
away from my entire talk, pleaseremember glycolic acid should
only be used for oily or acneprone patients, whether or not
it is in a cleanser or if it'sin a peel.
Just remember that.
(10:29):
Glycolic acid, the science fromthe nineties, we've been able
to improve it and please justsave it for that situation.
Now, on the opposite end of thespectrum, is something called
lactic acid, and lactic acid isa molecule that is what we call
the natural moisturizing factorof the cell, which is almost you
can think about it like thesponge inside the cell that
(10:50):
holds onto water.
So that is an ingredient whereyou actually, by choosing that
type of acid, is actually goingto hydrate the skin from the
inside, so the opposite ofglycolic acid.
So one is dehydrating anddrying the skin and works on
oily prone skin and lactic acidis hydrating.
So I love to use lactic acidanytime I'm dealing with
(11:12):
somebody with more mature skin,or basically most of us actually
want to have our skin be in ahealthy place, and lactic acid
anytime I'm dealing withsomebody with more mature skin
or basically most of us actuallywant to have our skin be in a
healthy place, and lactic acidis a great reason for doing that
.
Then the next thing you thinkabout in terms of choosing
ingredients is what else am Iwanting to do?
And if I'm wanting to thinkabout acne or I might want to be
(11:32):
thinking about, what qualitiesdo I want a peel to have?
We often have found now thatpatients don't want the downtime
of the skin sheeting off andbeing like a snake.
So if you can get the skin tocome off in tiny little bits
same amount comes off, but itcan come off like dandruff
instead then most people likethe experience better.
(11:53):
So to do that, you actuallychoose an acid that has what's
called an aromatic ring and itjust sort of chops up the
desmosomes in a different way,those little things that glue
the skin cells to each other.
And to do that you do one of twothings.
You either do salicylic acid,which is one of the main
ingredients in aspirin, so it'salso non-inflammatory.
(12:14):
Or you choose an ingredient likemandellic acid, which is one of
the main ingredients in aspirin, so it's also non-inflammatory.
Or you choose an ingredientlike mandelic acid, which also
has the same aromatic ring, alsoworks great on acne, because
it's going to go.
It has a lipophilic quality, soit's drawn to oil and so it can
get inside clogged pores.
And so, for everybody,salicylic acid and medallic acid
will open up the pores, makethe skin look more glowy, be
(12:38):
anti-inflammatory and, as a justlifestyle thing, it chops up
the little peel flakes in tinylittle bits.
So those are.
By thinking about all thesedifferent ingredients, you can
combine them together so thatyou can have a less acidic, so
(13:00):
essentially a higher pH, closerto skin's natural pH.
Capture what the ingredientsare doing without being
inflammatory, and get the cellturnover, get the working on the
acne component, the lipophiliccomponent, as well, as there's
all these kind of sexy newthings we can talk about down
the line that are anti-aging inturn to senescent cells and also
(13:25):
going after mitochondrialhealth.
There's just all these newthings that peels can do.
So that was a very long-windedanswer.
I think I might've evenforgotten what the question was
as I was talking, but to simplysay that peels can kind of do
everything for the skin, as longas you understand what the
ingredients are and what thegoal is.
(13:47):
And then that's where theskincare specialists or the
dermatologist decides okay, thisis the one that I think will
work best for you, based onwhat's going on for you, and
that's where I love theconsultation.
Right, I think that's whatmakes us special as doctors is
we look somebody in the eye,look at their skin and go okay,
today this is the thing to do,and you know what, in two weeks,
(14:10):
when you come back, there mightbe even something different
that I want to do.
Also, don't underestimate whatjust one treatment can do, but
if someone is really wanting togo after something like melasma,
which is that more difficult totreat pigment often, then we're
thinking about more of a series.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So kind of jumping off of what you said throughout
there.
So it sounds like it's possiblemaybe to have your cake and eat
it too.
From the standpoint, you don'tnecessarily need a ton of
irritation to get results frompeels, is that right?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
That is spot on and that is really where the science
has changed.
So, you know, I've beenformulating with chemical peels
for 25 years.
I, you know, I founded onecompany, sold that.
Let it grow off and become itsown.
It's like having a kid go offto college you realize they're
going to make mistakes, they'regoing to have their own
successes.
(14:59):
But then during COVID I gotsuper obsessed with what was
going on in the longevity spaceand really understanding like,
oh my gosh, if we can thinkabout mitochondrial health, if
we can control inflammation, ifwe can think about senescence,
then we can do a better job.
And by thinking about okay, wedon't have to do the most
(15:19):
aggressive amount of woundhealing to see a response.
We can actually get betterwound healing by controlling
inflammation.
So that led to thinking aboutokay, let's get the pH closer to
the natural skin pH, use lowerpercentages of ingredients and
then combine things together toget the best result and by doing
(15:41):
that you can actually havenon-inflammatory chemical peels.
Which is a completely differentway of thinking about it in the
last, let's say, five yearscompared to what we were doing
for the last 30 years, becausereally the science hadn't really
changed that much in the last30 years, and before that it had
been 75 years or 100 yearssince changes happened.
(16:02):
And cool things is peels havereally been around since at
least Cleopatra's time.
She kept a herd of doggiesbecause she was doing using
lactic acid milk baths to keepher skin looking fresh.
She'd take a bath every day andsour milk so like the girl knew
what was going on.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, there may be somebody out there that's going
to try that now.
Just so you know.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
If they're up for keeping a herd of donkeys, go
for it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Have at it right.
Well, it's interesting youcomment on it because I think it
goes against my own mindset.
You know, I'm one of thesepeople like psychologically,
like I like feeling that burnand people are like that's just
sick.
I'm like, no, there's peoplelike us out there, like we feel
like if you're not appreciatingthat sensation or maybe seeing
those big sheets come off atonce, we're sitting there
wondering, hmm, is this peopledoing anything?
(16:49):
And I think it's just importantto highlight that because it's
going against that mantra.
I think it's just important tohighlight that because it's
going against that mantra.
I think of how some of us weretrained, or just psychologically
I'm that person.
It doesn't bother me.
In fact, I thinkpsychologically it convinces me
something's happening.
So I think there's going to besome people that will have to
convince that you can have boththe best of both worlds.
It's just like you know I lovecleansers, that lather.
(17:09):
If I don't appreciate a lather,it doesn't feel clean to me,
where a gel cleanser for somepeople they love that.
You know they don't care if itlathers.
So I think in dermatology foryou know, people going in to see
their dermatologist the factthey can get the best of both
worlds is really going to be agame changer for patients in the
concept of a chemical peel,because that scares a lot of
people off.
You've probably met somepatients once traditionally
things we used to offer andthinking they're going to go
(17:30):
through that discomfort.
Thinking they're going to gothrough that discomfort, they're
like feel not for me, but thisopens a whole new world for
those patients for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, it's like you know, it's like that.
It's a whole new world.
You know the whole, like Disneysong.
It really is a game changer,because I think you are probably
almost normative, Like in termsof I think we've been telling
patients for so long that ifit's hurt, it's doing something.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
You've got to feel the burn right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's like exercise.
But we also know like withexercise you do too much, you
actually hurt yourself.
And it's potentially the samething that actually by
understanding the chemistry andI think this has been the big
thing is like actually thinkingabout the chemistry rather than
just thinking about okay, whatresult am I trying to get to.
It allows us to actually takeadvantage of science and do it
(18:17):
better.
And so we can do it.
And I, you know, I've alwaysused this idea of when you're
treating a patient, tell them ona scale of zero to 10, you know
zero being nothing and 10 beingsuper uncomfortable where are
they?
And then, as long as you couldget to a, you know you'd say
like, oh, as long as there arefive or lower, you could do
another layer.
And the nice thing about thisis because I mean most of the
(18:40):
time, the first time you treatsomebody, they might be like a
one or two, that's all they'refeeling, versus like these peels
I've been doing for my entirelifetime was like, oh, okay,
there's a little fire to start.
Like, just like, hold onthrough the pain, you're using
fans and everything else on themand that's just not necessary
anymore.
And so you really do have toand then convince somebody like,
(19:00):
oh, no, this actually works, itfeels great.
And then I think all they haveto do is see the results the
first time and you have somebodybought in.
And it has such advantagesbecause it means that, like an
acne patient let's be honest,teenagers they are not coming
back to see you again if ithurts, like they, just they are
not going to do it.
So now I can get these kids tocome in regularly, and they are,
(19:20):
and they are asking their momto come back.
But the other thing by nothaving inflammation and not
(19:41):
having it hurt is with this newgeneration of chemical peels and
I like to call them basicallythe next generation and burn and
you would not tolerate itversus with these, I can do it
the same day as the appointment.
Just moments later I do itmyself, even because I can do it
so quickly.
And then their experience is.
The last thing I've done withthem is beautiful hands on them
and they're walking out with aglowing, beautiful skin rather
(20:05):
than being like, oh my gosh,this woman stuck needles in my
face.
It's worth it, but, gosh, ithurt.
Instead it's like oh no, I lookfantastic and I can do it in
concert with IPL, intense pulselight.
I can do it with thenon-ablative lasers or even
microneedling, as long as it'sjust pinpoint, because it
doesn't hurt and because it'snon-inflammatory.
(20:26):
So I can get more out ofprocedures that myself or my
staff have been doing for a longtime and can get an even better
result.
So it's added this flexibilitythat allows my patients to get
to an endpoint faster, and it'salso expanded the armamentarium
of my staff so that they canaccomplish more as well.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So if somebody comes in then and they're wondering,
okay, I'm ready to appeal, doyou warn them then that there
will be some discomfortdepending upon the type of
appeal or just variable based onpain response, or do you really
reassure them that this couldpotentially be painless for you
and still get the good result?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I tell most of my patients because primarily the
peels I'm doing in my office noware these peels that I
formulated, unless I'mspecifically going after doing
like a phenol-based peel ordoing a deeper TCA peel, which
is a totally different thoughtprocess, right?
So I tell my patients to expectlimited discomfort.
(21:24):
Maybe it's like a littletingling kind of, almost like
that little itching sensation,more so than anything else, and
I have an exceptionally low painthreshold.
I mean exceptionally low.
Like Botox needles make me, justI have to.
Really I put numbing on myselffor all Botox, just just to give
you an idea of how bad I am andthis does not bother me and the
(21:47):
least versus.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I used to really have to like fan and everything else
when I was doing evensuperficial chemical meals
before, so I tell the patientsto expect it to be a pretty easy
experience.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And that just makes it.
I think then they're just like,oh my gosh, all of a sudden it
becomes more like the experienceof getting a facial.
It's actually something theylook forward to and can relax,
because I do think one of thethings that makes this great at
what we do is that hands-onpiece, the fact because I do
believe that hands-on lookingsomebody in the eye, listening
(22:23):
to them, communicating with themis a big piece of the healing
component, and I think the morewe can do to have it be a better
experience with them, with ahands-on experience, it lets
them feel better aboutthemselves, increases that level
of trust, gives them hope.
That I then do think has a hugefactor in the skin actually
(22:47):
getting better and actuallyhealing, and so I think it
allows for more of that, and Ithink that's one of the things
that is my favorite component ofdoing these peels.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, you can definitely feel and see the
passion that you have forchemical peels and you kind of
alluded to this earlier.
But tell me a little bit moreabout your chemical peels you
developed and what makes themunique.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So the number one factor, so the I mean it's kind
of one of those things where Iwas during COVID, instead of
baking bread, started playingwith chemistry and many of my
old friends that were with myold company and some of my
scientists and chemists andeverything.
This is what we do.
Is we?
You know, we're all geeks,right?
(23:29):
This reason why we went intodermatology et cetera is that
you know, pubmed is what we readfor fun, and it came out that
peels can have benefit onsenescent cells, actually can be
a senolytic that can actuallyhelp with mitochondrial support,
as well as all the traditionalthings that we know about peels
in terms of collagen, elastin,all these different things.
So by the number one thingthat's different about the
(23:52):
Linder Health peels and myfavorite one is called Hero is
that it is anti, it's anon-inflammatory peel.
That is the number one takeawayfrom this whole thing is that
it gives that flexibility to beable to do it in concert with
other things to be able to workon pigment anti-aging, actually
get the skin healthier overallafter multiple factors of what
(24:14):
we call the 12 hallmarks ofaging.
And then the other thing isbecause of the fact that you
don't have to prep for them andyou don't have to limit patients
from what they're doing.
They can actually, withsunscreen on, go out into the
environment, go to their kids'soccer game, basketball game.
They can even be outside whereit's hot.
(24:35):
It used to be that with peels,we'd have to limit them to the
colder months because you didn'twant people in the sun and you
didn't want them to get hot.
But with this peel, because it'snon-inflammatory, you can
actually do it year-round.
And what that means for myselfand my staff means that we can
actually assume that whensomebody is coming in, that we
can do a peel the same day.
So that means consult andtreatment automatically can
(24:59):
happen without having to changesomebody's routine, and it just
makes that whole process simpler.
So I think that's one of thebiggest differences is that I
really wanted to think aboutokay, what are the pain points
for both the patient and theclinician?
You know we all want to keepchallenging ourselves in the
(25:25):
spaces we love, and so that iswhat it kind of came down to is
like okay, can we make itnon-inflammatory?
Can we make it work better forlongevity?
How do we make it simpler?
And then the other thing thatmakes me crazy is is when
something is expensive to thepractice, literally to the
practice.
These peels are not expensive,which means they're not, they
don't have to be expensive tothe patient as a result.
(25:46):
It just makes the whole processbetter across the board,
because all of us have the samegoal, which is get patients
healthier.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Wow, I mean, I think today's conversation is really
going to open our listeners'eyes to the fact that a chemical
peel might be something theycan consider For those scared
about the pain factor you'vehelped re reeducate that's not
necessarily the case and thefact that you know they're
versatile right, they canaccomplish a lot of goals that
sometimes I think we kind of go,oh, chemical peels, and they
kind of get put further downthis totem pole of how well they
(26:17):
truly can work for things thatwe want to actually treat in the
skin.
But you really illustrate thatthey can be impactful and, like
I mentioned before, you can haveyour cake and eat it to get the
results without the pain.
So thank you so much, jennifer,for coming on today.
This is a fantasticconversation for our listeners.
If they want to find you, doyou mind sharing where they can
locate you?
Sure?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You can find me at at Jennifer Linder, l I, n, d, e,
r M D that and.
Or you can find the uh, myselfand my company, and obviously I
do lots of things with that atat Linder Health.
So well, thank you again.
Please DM me ask questions.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, such a great time, and I know there's many
people out there looking to geta chemical peel now and probably
specifically asking for yours.
So thanks again for kind ofteaching us more about chemical
peels and stay tuned for thenext episode of Dermot Trotter.
Don't Swear About Skin Care.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Thanks for listening to Dermot Trotter.
For more about skincare, visitDermotTrottercom.
Don't forget to subscribe,leave a review and share this
podcast with anyone who needs alittle skincare sanity.
Until next time, stay skinsmart.
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