August 3, 2025 • 64 mins
Welcome to episode 39 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Tommy Kilpatrick, a retired teacher and author.
Tommy Kilpatrick's spiritual journey takes us from the classrooms of California to the villages of the Philippines in this thought-provoking exploration of faith, purpose, and radical giving.
Raised in an Episcopal family, Tommy's path included unexpected detours through socialist organizations he now recognizes were fundamentally opposed to his Christian values. His awakening came in a moment of surrender: "I woke up one morning and went 'okay, God, I believe.'" That simple acceptance set him on a transformative path that would eventually lead him across the world.
Tommy shares fascinating stories from his diverse career—working with autistic children at a state hospital, becoming an insurance investigator at just 17, and co-founding a charter school that continues operating nearly three decades later. His educational innovation challenged conventional systems, emphasizing smaller class sizes, requiring parent participation despite significant bureaucratic resistance.
Now settled in the Philippines, Tommy has dedicated himself to teaching sustainable building techniques with bamboo, vertical gardening methods, and establishing free medical clinics for underserved communities. His philosophy centers on interdependence rather than charity: "My free clinic is going to be free, but the Filipino has to give me an egg, has to sweep the street, has to do something." This exchange preserves dignity while fostering community.
The conversation takes a profound turn when Tommy explains his approach to engaging atheists through thoughtful questions about creation and existence. Rather than confrontational evangelism, he creates space for spiritual inquiry: "Were you created? If you are a createe, then is there a creator?" These Socratic methods open doors that might otherwise remain closed.
Subscribe now to hear Tommy's practical wisdom on practicing "random acts of kindness" in cross-cultural contexts, his unique perspective on breathing as a spiritual practice, and his inspiring vision for rehabilitating those struggling with addiction. His story reminds us that true purpose emerges when we focus on giving rather than receiving.
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Jackie Pelegrin (00:01):
Hello and welcome to the Designing with
Love podcast.
I am your host, Jackie Pelegrin, where my goal is to bring you
information, tips and tricks asan instructional designer.
Hello, GCU students, alumni andfellow educators, welcome to
episode 39 of the Designing withLove podcast.
(00:21):
Today I have the pleasure ofinterviewing Tommy Kilpatrick, a
retired teacher and author wholives in the Philippines.
Welcome, Tommy.
Tommy Kilpatrick (00:29):
Well, thank you, thank you very much.
Thank you so much for coming onmy show today.
So can you tell us a little bitabout yourself?
Well, let's see, I always liketo talk about myself, of course.
I was born and raised inCalifornia and, let's see, ended
up going to college as a doublemajor for accounting and
abnormal psychology, whichsounds pretty crazy.
(00:51):
But I worked at Napa StateMental Hospital with autistic
children and the time was like1975.
There was only five children inthe northern state of
California that were autisticenough to be in a hospital and
now the rates are like 1 in 12in California.
So something's very seriouslygoing on with our autism.
(01:15):
So I have a real strongconnection to the autistic and I
had a psychiatrist come andtell me I've never seen anyone
relate to these kids like you do.
So these kids were psychotic,they did not relate with you,
they couldn't carry on aconversation and one kid would
just tear a paper in half andput it through the fence, reach
(01:35):
through, pick it back, cut it inhalf again or tear it again in
half, put it back through thefence.
I did what he did for hours.
I'm being paid.
Oh my goodness, why care?
I'm just doing what he's doing.
Another kid would pick sand upand he would put the sand in and
let it fall through his hand tothe ground and that's all he
did all day long.
But he did it into the sun.
I would notice a pattern thathe would do and he's looking and
(01:59):
he's enjoying something.
I'm doing the same thing.
I don't see it.
I don't see it.
And so years later, I turn intoa commercial diver.
I'm offshore, 68 miles offshore, holding a diver's hose, for
hours, staring out into thewater, and all of a sudden I see
(02:23):
a, a hallucination, and that'swhat the kid.
I immediately said oh, that'swhat the kid was doing the sand,
those little particles weregoing through the sun and they
were dancing.
And that's what he, that's whatI got.
So, oh my gosh.
So years later, theseexperiences come back in my life
.
So I ended up being quite anentrepreneur.
(02:46):
When I was about seven, I wasbaking cookies and cake and
making Kool-Aid, and when myfriends didn't have money to buy
my food, I would have them goout and find me three customers
and I'll give you a piece forfree.
So I motivated them to bringcustomers to me.
And then, when I was 15, I wasworking as a diver in Dana Point
(03:08):
and we would scrape barnaclesoff the boat and all kinds of
work underwater, and I wasmaking $165 a week, when my
friends were working atMcDonald's barely making $35 or
$40 a week.
So I actually had my ownmotorcycle and I had a license
to drive a motorcycle at 15because I had driver's education
(03:31):
.
But there was a littleprovision.
If you had driver's education,you could get a motorcycle
license If you didn't drive on afreeway and you didn't carry a
passenger and you didn't driveat night.
Well, of course I did all three, but I had to drive to high
school on my motorcycle to learnhow to drive a car.
So later on I got a.
I got a car license after I hadalready had a motorcycle
(03:54):
license.
So then, uh, let's see.
Then I went to college.
Oh, I, I graduated early.
I had enough credits, so Igraduated in January.
And then I turned 17 about twoweeks before that, and then I
entered into a contract.
I bought my own Mazda RX3.
And it was a nice little sportscar kind of looking like, and I
had $1,000 cash.
(04:15):
And you should have seen theeyes of those salesmen when I
came up, a 17-year-old kid walksin with a pile of cash.
He says I want that car.
Okay, sign a contract.
You can't do that.
I was under 18.
I signed, I had a car paymentat 17.
And then I moved out of myparents' house about two months
after that and into an apartment.
(04:36):
I had my own apartment down inLong Beach, first and orange,
and it was $95 a month andincluded utilities.
I had a Murphy bed, so the bedwould come down, I'd sleep on it
, push it back up and turn itaround and my bed was my living
room.
So the living room turned intoa bedroom and then I got a job
(04:57):
as an insurance investigator.
I lied, I told them I was 19.
They looked at my driver'slicense.
They knew I was 17.
They knew I lied, they hired meanyway.
So I became an insuranceinvestigator and I would go out
to people's homes or their caror their business and take
pictures.
I was the eyes of the insurancecompanies so they could see
what was really reality.
They wanted a second opinionand so I gave that to them and
after about six months I had thejob down.
(05:18):
So well, I only worked abouttwo or three hours a day and
then I would get home, I'd ridemy bicycle down to the beach,
suntan and maybe shoot pool,whatever, just relax.
After about a year of that Ilooked at the other guys who
were 40, 50 years old going.
I don't want to be that way.
In 40 years I don't want to bedoing the same thing.
(05:39):
So I said, okay, my dad's a CPA, I'll take over his practice.
He's already built anestablished business.
I'll go to college, I'm good atmath, so that's my direction.
But then a deaf guy came intothe tutoring room and he had an
interpreter.
So he had lost his hearing whenhe was about four so he could
talk.
So I would talk, she'd sign tohim and then he would talk to me
(06:01):
.
And I thought, well, wait asecond, if, if I got to learn,
if I learned sign language, thenI could have the interpreter
and then I could talk to him.
And then he became a friend andmy neighbor.
He lived right next to me.
So, uh, then I learned signlanguage and I went to the
counselor, said I'm reallyexcited about signing.
What do I do?
Oh, be a school, be a socialworker, okay.
(06:22):
So I changed my major, socialwork, moved to san francisco and
I am not a social worker.
Okay.
So I changed my major to socialwork, moved to San Francisco
and I am not a social worker.
So right about two classes.
Right before I graduated I tooka walk and never came back.
So then, on a lot of differentadventures, I wrote books and
I'm an author.
I write every day and then alsowas involved in education
(06:44):
because I would teach how to dothis healing thing, and then
we'll talk about this in alittle bit.
But I actually was part of thefounding members of a charter
school, so I'm actually part ofcreating your own public school
and I taught there for 10 yearsbecause my daughter went there
and my son went there.
So I have a lot of knowledgeand experience of a private
(07:07):
education.
I was never a school teacherbecause I didn't have a
credential, but I've done itright, so yeah about me, I guess
great well, thank you, tommy,that's great.
Jackie Pelegrin (07:15):
And you mentioned, uh, the process of
what it took to get a publicschool.
That must have been quite anadventure trying to do that and
trying to figure out how thesystems work, because you have
all the different legal avenuesright and you have the state and
things like that that you haveto navigate.
So I'm sure that that's got tobe complex and, unfortunately,
(07:37):
probably red tape that you haveto go through.
So what did you find that wasthe most challenging with that
part of it and maybe what wasthe most rewarding with that
experience for you that youcould share with our audience?
Tommy Kilpatrick (07:50):
It's exactly what you said.
You're right on.
There was a ballot initiativein California for the voucher.
People were upset with the pooreducation and wanted an
alternative.
So somebody put a ballotinitiative on and it might pass.
The problem is that if itpassed, the public schools would
(08:13):
not be able to take a voucher.
So the legislature, inanticipation, they passed a
charter school law that wouldallow schools and school
districts to become chartered.
Law that would allow schoolsand school districts to become
chartered.
Oh, now they can, because ifthey get approval by the school
board, it's all correct, allcool, now you take the voucher.
Now nothing changes the wholeplan.
(08:36):
We don't change anything.
We like what is going on.
We like what's going on, welike our power, so we're not
going to give that up.
So, yes.
Then one of our ladies in thecommunity had thought of trying
to start a magnet school but wasturned down by the school,
school district, school board.
Everything was against hertrying to get something, you
know, more educational and shethought, oh well, why don't we
(08:57):
just start our own charterschool?
So 53 families got together andwe decided to start our own
public school.
So we had the you have to givea proposal and we laid it all
out and ours was going to bedifferent.
We want it to be, first of all,small class sizes.
They were looking at 30 to 35.
We wanted ours 15.
So you can't do that with ahuge overhead.
(09:20):
But if you do the math, we got$5,000 per kid.
If we have 100 kids, we gotfive thousand dollars per kid.
If we have a hundred kids, wegot enough.
And then we didn't have to havea school.
We didn't pay for schoolbecause we could use the school
districts empty schools becausethey had empty classrooms that
were not being used, so we coulduse that.
The second one is developmental.
We didn't want to do what wedid.
(09:41):
You're in a classroom, you'rebored to death because you're
way ahead, or you're bored todeath because you don't get it,
and either spectrum you're lost.
They only would teach to themiddle and if you couldn't keep
up you'd just sit back and comeback next year.
You know you need another yearof this or again you'd be
(10:03):
causing problems, like me,because I had a little bit of
head.
I was always getting out of mychair.
They went, I tied me down.
It sounds terrible, but it was.
It was just a rope that tied medown to the chair.
It wasn't that tight oranything, but it was just a
symbol.
Stay in your chair, tommy.
No, I'm like I'm a boy, I getup, I got energy.
So I remember it was funny.
(10:24):
It wasn't traumatic at all, itwas just entertaining to me.
Jackie Pelegrin (10:27):
That's funny that you didn't mention that
yeah.
Tommy Kilpatrick (10:31):
Wow.
So then the third thing isparent participation.
Because the parents were notinvolved.
Why should they?
They're not interested in kids'education.
We didn't want those kind ofparents.
We wanted parents who wererequired to participate.
Now, that doesn't mean they hadto be at the school.
There's lots of things thatneed to be done outside of
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school.
It could mean that you could doan extra curricular activity,
like one of the guys, one of thedads was a Marine, and so we
would have a class, anafter-school program, where we
would take these kids like BoyScouts and take them in the
desert.
We would walk on.
He'd point down look at thatmark right there, what's that
from?
And they'd say a snake, okay,think about a snake, it moves
(11:16):
this way.
That's a straight line, okay.
A lizard Line.
A lizard has a tail and there'syour feet, so he would teach
them basic skills and thingslike that.
It could never have been donein a typical public school.
We had art, because many of ourmoms and dads were artists, so
(11:39):
they would bring the artwork in,and so it was.
And then the path.
Oh my gosh.
It took us pressure and itrequired basically all of us in
the school board meeting to putthe pressure on that board to
pass.
They didn't want to.
Oh no, they don't want us.
They said we're not in thesystem.
(12:00):
And they tried to stretch themeeting out.
Stretch the meeting out.
We're at midnight and we didn'tleave, and so they had to throw
their hands up and said okay,you can have a charter law, you
get it for five years.
We'll come back and review andwe'll see what happens.
And they would, hopefully wouldfail.
Well, within two months, all ofour credentialed teachers quit.
(12:24):
And it was a crisis.
A crisis.
All of our teachers quit.
What are we going to do?
And so we had a meeting at ourschool and one of the vice
president, or something like avice superintendent he came down
and he said look, folks, I tellyou what dissolve your charter
(12:45):
school and we'll give you amagnet school.
And so people are going wellyeah, I don't want this hassle,
I don't want to do all this work.
Yeah, let's go that way.
I got up and I pointed out thisguy is a salesman.
He's selling you what we haveis a charter school.
Yeah, we got problems, so what?
In five years we can come backand dissolve this, but let's
(13:09):
hang it.
He's selling you something hedoesn't have.
Don't trust this guy.
And we won by one vote.
One vote would have ended ourpublic school adventure in just
two months.
But we recovered.
We learned our mistakes.
Of course you're going to makemistakes, catastrophic mistakes.
(13:30):
And we got along about fouryears.
And guess what happened?
All the teachers quit andpeople were telling me Tom, you
did such a great job, get backup there and talk.
I said no, why?
Oh, we're in wave four, what?
Well, you've heard of threesteps forward, two steps back,
(13:51):
right, you've all heard of that.
Right, it misdescribes itimmediately.
What is one step forward, onestep back, one step forward, and
see how long that was.
One step back, one step forward, and that's a five pattern.
So it's one, two, three, four,five.
And knowing that that was acritical point, number two, when
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we had lost all of our teachers, that's when I had to speak,
had to get up and be passionateand do that.
When we were at wave four wealready had a school.
It's not going to threatenbecause you see, wave one goes
up.
If it goes down below it goesaway.
So we made it, we're fine.
So I knew where we were in thepattern and that's called an
(14:39):
Elliott wave theory.
It's used primarily infinancials and stuff.
Because of my accountingbackground and all that kind of
stuff, I had that knowledge.
So I said no and sure enough,we won.
There was no problem.
We moved on.
We got new teachers.
Jackie Pelegrin (14:53):
And it's still functioning today.
Tommy Kilpatrick (14:56):
It's still going on today.
That was formed in 1993.
Jackie Pelegrin (15:00):
Wow, and it's still there.
Wow, that's amazing.
And all it took was one vote.
So they say one vote can make adifference, right, and
sometimes people think well, itdoesn't matter, but it really
does yeah.
Tommy Kilpatrick (15:13):
And it depends on you getting up.
You got to get off your seatand get up there and be
passionate about what youbelieve.
Jackie Pelegrin (15:21):
Right, that's so true.
Yeah, passion, yeah, it doesmake a difference.
Absolutely yeah, and before westart.
Tommy Kilpatrick (15:28):
I'm going to stop right there.
I love words.
You said passion, passion.
Passion means suffering orenduring, Ion means a little.
So to have a passion, you'vegot to have a little bit of
misery, you got to have a littlebit of enduring, a little bit
of you know just something aboutit, but not a lot, because then
(15:49):
it's torture.
So that's what motivates us iswe're not satisfied.
Just a little bit better.
Come on, we can do it.
Jackie Pelegrin (15:56):
And that's your passion.
Tommy Kilpatrick (15:57):
So follow your passion, because you know, it
irritates you.
Jackie Pelegrin (16:01):
I love that.
No, I didn't think of passionthat way, but it's yeah, it's
true.
It keeps you motivated to keepmaking things better and keep
striving Right, because if we'reas they say, if we're um, if
we're stagnant and we're yeah,we're not going anywhere and
we're just not going to besatisfied.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Things are not always going togo how we plan, but we, we, we,
(16:24):
but sometimes we have to pivot,but we can make the best of it
and, with the Lord's help, wecan do it right, absolutely,
absolutely, yeah.
So I know, before we startedrecording, we were talking about
our faith and, as a lot of mylisteners know, I'm a Christian,
I grew up Catholic, and I'm notsure where your faith
(16:46):
background is.
But did you want to kind oftalk a little bit about because
that's what drew us together, tohave you come on the show is
that faith background and thingslike that?
So did you want to talk alittle bit about your background
and that?
And then we can kind of go intosome different faith-based
questions as well.
Tommy Kilpatrick (17:05):
Sure, I'd be happy to.
I was raised in an Episcopalfamily and so we went to the
Episcopal church and we would goevery Sunday and my mom and dad
really liked this pastor and hewas a great guy and I was, as I
said, I was really highlyinterested in education and
(17:29):
learning.
So at age four my mom had thepastor lie about my birth date
and created a baptismal on adifferent day that allowed me to
get into school.
So instead of a January birthdate, I was a November, which
allowed me to get in school atfour.
So I started a year youngerthan anybody else and so right
(17:53):
from there I got some supportand help from the church in that
sense of a lot.
But then again, when the Nazisare banging on the door, the
Christians write things sayingno, I have no idea who you're
looking for, and you're hidingthe Jewish people in the
basement, willing to die to savesomeone else.
So that's really what yourChristian faith is.
So then my mom said I want youto be confirmed in a church and
(18:18):
I said, okay, on condition youdon't ask me to do anything else
.
So I wanted my independence, Iwanted my freedom.
Okay, you want me to do this,then I get to do what I want to
do.
So I was a good boy.
You know my brother would.
I had two older brothers andthey were kind of a little bit
of a misfit, a little bit of abrother's art, but I was a nice
(18:38):
kid.
I came along, I saw what wasgoing on, so I was very nice.
So she agreed to that.
So I got confirmed in thechurch and then I saw some
really attractive ladies in thehigh school in the Jesus kind of
like the little Jesus group.
So I got a Bible, startedhanging out with her, and so I
was hanging out with the women.
(18:58):
But that didn't work out.
So and then, yeah, and then Iwent to college and basically
became a Satanist.
Jackie Pelegrin (19:07):
Oh gosh.
Tommy Kilpatrick (19:09):
Oh, my yeah.
You went another direction,completely you look at carl marx
, and he was a satanist, but hewas studying to be a preacher,
so at 17 he was a christian andthen, 18, he got involved in
something and went totally theother way.
And so then, um at uh, tryingto think, oh, charles Darwin, he
(19:31):
too was in school and they tookoff on that ship and then he
became a Satanist.
So I say that not in a sensethat I was ritually doing it.
I got involved in a politicalorganization which was socialist
and it was in 1975.
And my friend became a memberof this Young Socialist Alliance
and he needed a bookkeeper,knowing that I had an accounting
(19:52):
background.
And my friend became a memberof this Young Socialist Alliance
and he needed a bookkeeper,knowing that I had an accounting
background and I needed theexperience of doing bookkeeping.
So I became the bookkeeper forthis organization and then I
studied some more with it and Ihad my viewpoint at the time was
either we're going to havenuclear war or be with the Nazis
.
That was my only viewpoint ofthe future.
I had not had a positiveviewpoint from what I had seen
(20:14):
Since I was 10, I was shippingcookies to Vietnam, so at the
dinner table we hadconversations about the Vietnam
War and about the death and I'dwatch every Thursday and I would
count how many soldiers wouldbe did and how many of the Viet
Cong were killed.
And I'm going this math doesn'tadd up.
We can't keep losing 200 guysand keep killing 2,000, 3,000 of
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them.
It just where did these peoplecome from?
So I knew they were lying to me.
I knew back in a tent thatLyndon Johnson was lying to me.
So I really had a real negativeviewpoint towards it all.
So this organization waseducational and we couldn't do
anything illegal because we knewthe FBI was involved with us.
We knew next to you was an FBIagent and if you did anything
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illegal we'd be arrested andwe'd be all in jail.
So if we didn't do anythingillegal, that was really really
super important.
So it only took me until about10 years ago to realize I was
part of a Satanist organization.
So that's why I wanted to bescary and something abrupt with
you to say I was part of itbecause my dad was a Mason and
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his dad was a Mason.
But the Masons are alsoSatanists because not in the
beginning.
They don't tell you all thatstuff and you keep moving up the
levels up, you keep moving up.
All of a sudden they show whatthe really they are, and that's
what happens with a communist,with a socialist, with the nazis
.
So I have a very simple thingis that god loves us, right?
Jackie Pelegrin (21:49):
right, right, he does.
Tommy Kilpatrick (21:51):
And in Hebrew the word love means I give, so
God gave us life, right.
Jackie Pelegrin (22:00):
Right.
Tommy Kilpatrick (22:00):
What a gift.
So if you're with God, you aregiving.
If you are not with God, you'renot.
So you could be a Satanist, butyou're not, so you're not with
God.
So who is the number one enemyof God?
Satan, right.
Everything you see out there isSatanist.
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If they're not with you, ifthey're not giving, if they're
not producing food, if they'renot raising animals, if they're
not doing care for other people,then they are not loving.
You've got to stay away fromthose people and we have to stay
focused here.
So what's going on at all thenews and stuff?
Satanism.
You see the dancing of Satan atthe Grammy Awards.
(22:45):
I didn't watch the GrammyAwards, but I heard about it.
I had to watch that last littlebit of their ceremony and it's
obvious I didn't watch theceremonies of the Paris Olympics
, but I saw that clip and therewas Satanism.
They are so open, and I havecome across people who are, who
were Satanists, who left andthey said you know what?
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I don't want to part withanybody where I'm leading.
He said go away, it's okay, I'mgoing to tell everybody what
you're doing.
Go ahead, we don't care,because the Satanists know
they're going to win.
It doesn't matter.
They got time on their hands,and so are the Muslims.
The Muslims are Satanists too.
They're not part of ourreligion.
They're not part of theAbrahamic religion.
They are a cult.
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For 1400 years they were calledMuhammadites and there's not any
proof that Muhammad actuallyexisted.
So I may be crossing a littlebit too much for you, but I'm
just telling you either you'rewith God or you're not.
So that's where I'm coming from, so that's my background.
So I'm a believer, I'm in aChristian country.
So that's my background.
So I'm a believer, I'm in aChristian country, and you'll
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find that most of them are notpracticing, even though they may
go to church, they do behaviorthings.
I'm trying to meet a lady hereA sawa is what we say here for a
wife and I meet 40-year-olds or50-year-olds, and they've got a
10-year-old or a 4-year yearold and there's no husband.
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So it's, it's, uh yeah, they'repracticing.
Maybe not, but they areChristian.
So I want to be here.
This is the place I want to be,so I feel safe.
Jackie Pelegrin (24:18):
So that's why I came all the way to the.
Tommy Kilpatrick (24:19):
Philippines.
Jackie Pelegrin (24:20):
Yeah, how long have you been out there in the
Philippines?
Now Seven.
You said seven months before wegot on here.
Tommy Kilpatrick (24:27):
Right, seven months, yeah, so I was in a
marriage of 28 years, and thenthe wife said get out and take
the dog with you, because inAmerica men are what I say is
garbage we're useless, we're notneeded.
And you might disagree, butthat's from my point of view,
from what I've lived through.
And so I started taking a walkand I walked in faith.
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Oh, let me back that up alittle bit.
So about five years before that, I woke up one morning and went
okay, god, I believe I don'tknow the pressure was there that
morning.
I went, okay, I believe, andthat's what it took for me to
get back to my Christian roots.
It was one morning.
I got out of bed and I justsaid, okay, I'll stop resisting.
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And that led me into you knowthe direction.
So when the wife said, get out,take God with you, I saw it as
a blessing, thank you very muchPut a backpack on and started
walking, ended up in Sedona andI was with a Christian family,
an evangelical family, who hadbeen on the streets preaching
and she had at that time she hadsix children and then, when she
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had her seventh child, then Godtold them to create a bakery in
their home, and they areallowed to do that in Arizona, a
home bakery, and I met them ata farmer's market and I walked
to the farmer's market.
She had a whole table full ofbread and then I walk her around
a little bit, I come back andalmost all the bread is gone.
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I'm going how did this allhappen?
She said well, god told us tobe a bakery.
And what we do?
We take the grain, then wecrush it into flour and we bake
it and it has all the nutrients,has all the things, Even if you
are gluten intolerant not theother one, but if you're gluten
intolerant, then you can eat ourbread.
And sure enough, I said I'llgive you a year.
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So I had some money for mybusiness.
So I bought a motor home.
I lived in that and rightoutside of Phoenix, so it was
very nice and hot.
Jackie Pelegrin (26:27):
Yep, and I know that there was snow in the
winter.
Tommy Kilpatrick (26:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah , I know that weather I.
I took my thermometer, mylittle portable thing you point
at.
My pointer thermometer was 130degrees outside my uh motorhome
inside of 110, even with the acgoing I had four showers, four
cold showers a day, just tosurvive.
I'm never gonna do this.
And here I am in thephilippines, but it's not that
bad.
It's bad, but not that bad.
Jackie Pelegrin (26:54):
So yeah, it's not as hot yeah, yeah.
Tommy Kilpatrick (26:58):
So then I helped them, uh, sell their
bread at the markets and so ittook them from 200 to like 500,
700 that day.
I would call 200 people and getpre-orders so they knew what
kind of bread to bake that weekand so we would deliver it or
have it there at the market forthem.
So the year came up, it wastime for me to move on and they
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said God spoke to us, you got togo east.
So I, okay, I'm going east.
So I looked in the Craigslistand this guy was from Michigan.
He's a body shop kind of guy.
He bought two cars, twodifferent auctions, because they
have no rust where you're at,so it's a certain kind of car
that he knows how to work on.
So he bought one and drove itup because he flies there and he
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drove the car to me.
He and I got in a car and we'regoing to go to another auction
site for me to follow him backto Michigan.
So I gave the family my murderhome.
I emptied all my pockets of allmy money and gave it to them,
because I believe you cannotfill your pockets up unless
they're empty.
And you know what they did theyhanded me an envelope of money.
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So then off we went to Michiganand then I ended up to a farm
in Connecticut, in Old Sabra,connecticut.
Jackie Pelegrin (28:11):
Oh, wow.
Tommy Kilpatrick (28:12):
So they had no running water, no heat, no
electricity, and it was a hayhouse.
It was built of hay balescovered in plaster, so the only
way I had heat was from thecandles the stubs from the
Catholic Church donated the stubcandles to this guy and so he
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had a farm there.
So I did the organic gardeningthere with him and sold products
at the farmer's market.
And then a lady came by with atwo-year-old son and she said
hey, I'm going to Maine, whydon't you come with me?
So I went to Maine and hung outthere for 10 years and then
raised her son from two to 11and then was a home teacher.
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We did our homeschooling andthen she decided to have fun
with a neighbor.
Here I am.
So I came to the Philippines tofind a wife and what I do is I
teach farmers how to build domehouses with bamboo, so it's free
housing.
I teach vertical gardening, sohow to get your food vertically
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instead of bending over.
And I'm here to open up freemedical clinics for the
community.
So I'm an author, so I'mwriting books.
Now it's on Amazon, so I sellbooks.
The money there goes to do whatI'm doing here.
So that's my project I've got.
20 years from now I'll be oldand gray, then I'll retire.
But I've got too much energy.
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I'm every day, full of life,ready to go.
So that's my Christian faith.
So every day I wake up blessed,thanking God I'm alive.
What can I do for his purpose?
I only do things what God wantsme to do.
God provides everything.
I don't ask for anything.
I only do things what God wantsme to do.
God provides everything.
I don't answer anything.
I don't need anything.
I want anything.
God puts people in my place forreason and purpose.
I'm to figure that out.
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What's the reason that you'rein my life?
So how can we make this better?
How can we move this forward?
So that's why I'm all excited.
Jackie Pelegrin (30:05):
That's great.
I love that, yeah, and you wereable to touch so many lives
with what you do, so that'samazing.
So you talked about this alittle bit.
What does it look like tointegrate your faith into your
everyday work what you talkedabout especially in environments
that may not be faith-centered,where you go out there and you
realize that they don't havethat faith that you have or a
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similar faith?
Tommy Kilpatrick (30:33):
that faith that you have, or a similar
faith.
A couple things.
One I like to engage myselfwith the enemy, since I sort of
I really wasn't a satanist in asense that you would think just
because I was involved inorganization was.
But you're still a satanist ifyou're part of the organization.
So I like to seek out and findout atheists.
They're my favorite people totalk to because atheist is
anti-the-ist.
So ist is a word we use at theend to describe something, so
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it's the, the one, the God, theword.
So we're talking about God isthe.
So it's that every word we seeis God.
I see it when we start the wordthe.
So here I have an anti-thethe.
So before I can disagree with aperson, we have to have some
form of agreement.
English is good to start with.
I'm learning that language herein the gyno, but I couldn't
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really debate it in thatlanguage, so I have to stick it
with English.
So if we agree we can speak inEnglish.
Then I need them to agree tothe definition of create, and so
I just ask them what's thedefinition of create?
And they can look it up.
They can know, make produce,come about, come into existence.
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Sure, Okay, Then you just haveto ask them a simple question.
The questions control theconversation.
Were you creative?
Oh my gosh they've never beenasked that question before.
They can't say no because theylook like a complete idiot.
They got to say yes becausethey said no, your mother,
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father didn't create you, youdidn't, weren't born.
So.
But I came across one personwho said that not said, but
wrote it in a book, and that oneperson is Karl Marx.
I've done a lot of studying now, so in a book he said I was not
created.
So the only person you can findand I keep mentioning this
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because the number one book thatis read in the college, all
broadcast, all disciplines, thesize bonehead English, so don't
count that one is the CommunistManifesto.
That is the number one bookread by college students.
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So, oh my gosh, you are feedingyour children communism,
satanism.
My girlfriend that I was talkingabout that took me up to Maine.
She went to Parsons School ofDesign.
This is like a million-dollarfour-year education of art.
They handed her a saw, theygave her wood and said make a
table.
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And she had to make a tablewith just a saw and wood.
That's how difficult they wouldstart off with, let's say, 200
students.
By the end of graduation therewas 50.
And they did this on purpose,because these people were going
to Martha Stewart, any you know,dior, all these high-end
designers that's who they'relooking for is someone who could
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be a designer for their company.
They had to be that smart.
You know what book she read incollege?
The Communist Manifesto.
Going to that private school,she had to read the Communist
Manifesto.
The number one person quoted inall papers by professors is Karl
Marx.
The number two, lenin.
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So that's what I'm dealing withthese atheists.
They go the 75%.
I've heard it.
I can't prove it, but 75% ofChristians that go to college
come out atheists.
So that is, how do we get theseatheists back on our side?
Ask them the question were youcreative?
They've got to say yes, oh,okay, then was I creative.
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So we've got to get yes, oh,okay, then was I creating.
So you've got to get thempracticed to saying yes, yes.
Was that dog over therecreating?
Yes.
Was that tree creating yes.
Was the concrete, the rock,creating yes?
So in English we use E-E to bethe lesser and O-R to be the
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superior, as in lease I'm alease, e, or you could be a
lease, or there's a trust, e anda trust, or there's a governed
by the governor.
So if you are a createe, thenis there a creator?
Yes, what are they?
Jackie Pelegrin (34:55):
there a creator .
Tommy Kilpatrick (34:57):
Yes.
What are they going to say?
Yeah, they got to say yes, okay,right Now they're in a panic,
they're betrayed to be anti-God,so they're going to go.
Oh, no, no, no.
I don't want to believe in somewhite guy in the clouds that's
going to tell me what to do.
White guy in the clouds that'sgoing to tell me what to do,
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because the whole reason is notto be disciplined, not to learn,
not to be.
Uh, I don't eat meat.
I got a long list.
I don't smoke, I don't drink, Idon't take drugs, I don't do
prescription drugs.
I have a long list of notes,because that keeps me focused
and centered on what's mostimportant is god.
So, so that's just me.
So that's where I get theatheist to admit that.
So then I say, okay, wait,before you go into panic.
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God could be a noun, right, okay, and a noun is what we say a
person, place or thing Okay.
If it's a person, we kind oflike to make it look like
ourselves, right?
So God is in our image, becausethat's what they're taught,
right?
You human, make God in yourimage.
So I'm going to play along withthem and say, well, we made God
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to make us fit.
Because if you notice, ifyou've been to China, like I
have, and you see the picturesof Jesus there.
They actually has a little bitof a look to them that looks
like them.
So we modify Jesus to make uslook like the God for us, okay.
But then it's kind of hard toswallow the India religion with
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the elephant, the extra hands.
But if you're born in thatculture you don't think anything
of it.
That's God, okay.
But for us to go and believethat god is kind of a hard sell.
Okay, yeah, then it's a person.
So where could god be?
If it's a place?
If god's a place, where couldit be?
And then, well, could beeverywhere, right or nowhere,
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nowhere.
Put a space between nowhere.
What do you have now here?
So god is nowhere.
No, god is now here, so god iseverywhere.
We know from our physics is thatthe atom and the nuclear in the
act, with the nucleus and theelectron being apart, that
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distance is like 20 miles whenwe put in our scale here.
God is everything in betweenand is all the particles.
So you're part of God, god'spart of you.
Oh, okay, so that's where God'severywhere.
Okay, then it could be a thing,god could be a thing.
Yeah, water, life cannot existwithout water.
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So why not make God water.
You're part of God, god's partof you.
Okay, god could be a verb, andwhat's a verb?
Action?
So couldn't God be electricity?
Couldn't God be the energythat's all around us, everything
in between, and that's part ofus?
No, and it could be a concept.
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So there you go what I say.
When people ask me what is God,I say it's beyond thought.
I cannot conceive it.
It's beyond me.
But how do you know Faith?
Faith is belief withoutevidence.
I don't have to have evidence.
So I explained to the atheiststhat they cannot use the word
believe.
They cannot use the wordbelieve.
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They cannot use the wordconfidence.
There's, like I figured it out,20, 30 words they cannot use
because they're all faith-based.
So once they realize they'regoing to keep thinking that way,
they're not logical.
So all they can do is figureout what you think God is.
That's fine.
Now do God's work of being firstof all thankful.
But to create.
You're here to make thingshappen.
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Grow food, grow animals, helpother people, do something
positive.
Don't do the easy thing bydestruction.
That's all we see in the newstoday.
We see them taking a hammer out, pounding concrete curb to
throw rocks at the cops.
That's destruction.
They are destroying our family,destroying society, destroying
our world, and it's growing.
It are destroying our family.
They're destroying our society.
They're destroying our world,and it's growing, it's not
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shrinking.
So we Christians have to cometogether and be able to educate
our children, who are being sentto satanic schools.
Well, when they teach theCommunist Manifesto and they
quote Karl Marx and Lenin, we'resending them right into Satan's
den.
And what do you expect whenthey come out?
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And here we are, years andyears later.
Jackie Pelegrin (39:22):
So Right yeah that's good.
Yeah, being able to integrateyour faith is, yeah, being able
to have those conversations,yeah, that's so important, so
that's great.
And as we were talking, I justsome verses came to mind, so
that makes me think of the nextquestion are there specific
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biblical principles or versesthat guide how you approach your
work and and when you leadothers through that?
Tommy Kilpatrick (39:51):
I've always think of John 8, 32 so speak.
See, it got me on on spots withmy brain.
The blood left my frontalcortex, so I'm forgetting it.
But you know the truth will setyou free.
The truth will set you free.
That's what it is.
So I like those.
So, yeah, there are many rightnow that run through my head,
but I do study the Bible, butactually I study in Hebrew.
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So the first three words areBarashith, farah elohim.
So barashith means in thebeginning, and I like to start
in the beginning.
Farah means to create.
Ah, create.
We were just talking about thatword.
Jackie Pelegrin (40:28):
So, here.
Tommy Kilpatrick (40:30):
It's a noun or a verb, so you can use it
either way.
El means God, so in thebeginning God created it.
That's as a noun, and that canlead you to deism.
Now, deism is what Einsteinbelieved.
He believed God created theworld and left.
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He's gone.
So yeah, there was a creator,but not involved anymore.
He got the ball started andhe's gone.
Okay, that's where you have it.
If God created the world, but ifyou change that back to a verb
God is creating the world, wellthen you're a theist, then you
have an involved God, and that'swhat I am.
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I'm a theist, so I believethere's an involved God, and
that's what I am.
I'm a theist, so I believethere's an involved God, and I
believe that we have a holycontract.
Did I actually come up withthat?
I came up with a holy contract,but I came across something
that said we were with Godbefore we got here and all these
loving souls, because God onlyhas love all around him.
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And you wanted to do somethingwhile you're here and you made a
deal with God and his souls andyour life has unfolded, and
when you're born, you forget allthe contracts you made, so all
of the evil, rotten things thathave ever happened to me.
I asked for it.
It was my responsibility.
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I wanted to live through it.
I want to experience that God'sapproval and His souls loved me
so much they would be mean andcruel to me to make me feel that
so I could grow as a person.
So everything that's everhappened to me has all been over
the purpose and a reason.
So when I cross paths withpeople who are not believers,
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very simply within minutes Ihave them be a believer.
I don't care what they believe.
At least they're not an atheistanymore, they're not in a
Satanist world.
So then they can start comingover with me, start building
houses, start growing food forpeople, start being involved in
my medical clinic so anybodythat crosses my path, they can
be involved in somethingpositive and faith-based Right.
Jackie Pelegrin (42:40):
And it changes their lives?
Yeah, and it really changestheir lives and changes those
that they're around too.
Yeah, that's a positive impact.
Tommy Kilpatrick (42:48):
I love that.
And that's what makes you happy.
Happiness comes from helpingsomeone else change their life.
So I was explaining to myFilipina friend here that what
we do in America is we're inline, like at McDonald's, in a
car line there in the drive-thruand we drive up and say how
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much is it?
Oh, the car ahead of you paid.
Oh well, then you pay the guybehind.
So again, that pay it forward.
And that's what I do.
I walk around, I buy bread offof a little stand here and I'll
have it in bags and I'll walk upto people and I'll say Istika
Regala, alim.
See, I got to remember it Sathe cone, sa emo.
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That means a gift from me toyou.
So I go to people who reallydeserve it.
I see a lady sweeping thestreet, cleaning the street.
I walk up to her, I say that toher and I kind of bow a little
bit, I present the gift to herand it's just really welcome.
So that's again.
We want to do acts of randomkindness and it's not typical
here in the Philippines.
They just don't do that.
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Americans complain well, theydon't hold the door open for you
.
No, they walk through a door.
The door is open and closed.
It's not for me to hold thedoor for you.
So people think that's rudeness.
No, it's just the way they are,it's their culture, right?
So I'm going to have pesosbecause they don't have any, and
I will buy her something sothat she can have gifts to give
away.
So we're going to go see hermom today, and so we're going to
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present her a bottle of wine.
Her mother has always wanted abottle of wine, a red wine.
She thinks it's healthy.
Okay, so we're going to get hera bottle of wine and meet her
up at a church, or, if shedoesn't make it, we'll go to her
house and deliver a gift fromme, a foreigner, as a gift for
her.
Jackie Pelegrin (44:31):
That's amazing.
Tommy Kilpatrick (44:38):
I love that, tommy.
That's great.
Yeah, and making someone else'slife better.
If you can make someone else'slife better, you reflect on it
later and you don't need to getcredit.
A lot of times I give thingsand I walk away.
And I was at a trade show.
There was a little travel tradeshow here.
I love the trade shows walkingaround and I talked to these
nice ladies there.
I was playing with my heligano,practicing my language.
Then I went to the next boothand it was a mango drink.
Oh, I love mango drinks, so Ihad one.
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I went make that too.
So then he made a second oneand I went over and I said the
same thing to you Istika regalahagi asa ikon sa imo see.
There's no string attached.
Enjoy the journey.
Jackie Pelegrin (45:14):
Yeah, so making a change in someone's life
makes you happy when you thinkabout it later it's those little
, little things that cansometimes make a huge difference
, because you never know,someone could be in their
darkest moment, ready to you,who knows what, do what right,
and you could be that person.
Making that positive change inthem and they say even just a
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smile or just a hello can make ahuge difference, because they
may feel like they're ignoredand, yeah, they don't have
purpose in life.
But then you can bring thatpurpose back into their life and
know that they're loved andthat God loves them too.
So that's great.
I love that.
Tommy Kilpatrick (45:51):
And we know that from a homeless guy getting
a pair of gloves and someonecare and they turn their life
around.
We've had those stories.
So, yes, you're absolutelyright.
Yeah, that's great Randomkindness.
So that's why I want to kind ofbring here in the Philippines,
integrate that into culture.
Just one guy, yeah, so what itjust takes one.
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It's got to start somewhere.
It starts with you.
Jackie Pelegrin (46:15):
Right.
Tommy Kilpatrick (46:15):
So, what.
Jackie Pelegrin (46:15):
It just takes one.
It's got to start somewhere,and it starts with you, right,
exactly, and then, before youknow it, you're spreading that
to others, and then they'rereplicating what you're doing.
So, before you know it, you'reshifting the culture in a
positive way, and that's great,yeah, so it's neat.
I love that Great.
Tommy Kilpatrick (46:31):
So I had my brother Tina watch, pay it
Forward.
Jackie Pelegrin (46:45):
And she's watched a lot of movies.
She knows a lot more moviesthan I do but she didn't see
that one.
That was an eye opener to seehow one kid could have an impact
, eye-opening for her and reallybrought that concept into more
of a reality for her becauseit's based on a true story.
So, yeah, that's great.
I love that.
So how do you maintain yourChristian values when faced with
challenges, ethical dilemmas ordifficult people, like you've
(47:06):
mentioned a little bit earlier,those difficult people?
Tommy Kilpatrick (47:10):
Oh yeah, first of all, when I wake up I say a
prayer, but the prayer I neverask for anything is always for
thankfulness.
I'm just, it's an attitude ofgratitude.
So every morning I start offwith an attitude of gratitude
and it's like what can I do tomake it a little better?
Because if I'm loving I'mgiving.
So when I say giving it doesn'tmean that there's a free lunch.
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So I have developed a way tofeed people for free, but they
have to do something.
My free clinic here is going tobe free, but the Filipino has
to give me an egg, has to giveme a chicken, has to sweep the
street in front, has to dosomething.
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So I think of a movie, the LoneRanger and Tonto the Indian.
He comes up to the body of adead guy and he wants the boots.
So he takes the boots off andhe leaves him a feather.
There always has to be anexchange.
So then when he's standing in amuseum as a prop, he then leans
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down and grabs a kid's popcornand gives him a dead mouse.
So it's the Indian way to givea cross.
So you might say, tom, you'renot being politically correct
Indians.
The Indians have told me.
I've been with Anabajos andI've been with Moconox up in
Maine and with Minneapolis andthey say if we identify
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differently we don't get ourfunding.
We have to stay because it'sthe Bureau of Indian Affairs,
it's the American IndianMovement.
Don't start calling us thatbecause we'll lose our funding.
Jackie Pelegrin (48:50):
So he might not agree with that.
Tommy Kilpatrick (48:52):
But they don't care what you call them, as
long as you have the rightintent.
So we actually had an Indianmedicine man hang out on our
farm there in Maine for manyyears and would teach us the
native ways and what the plantswould do.
And he taught us the one plantwas growing as a weed.
He says that's not a weed, itwill cure you of any kind of a
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lung infection.
So we would purposely grow itand then we would dry it.
And then when the COVID camealong, at first my girlfriend
was going there's somethingweird happening over in that
town.
Now I didn't leave the farm 12times over six years.
I was going to die there, justbury me in the back.
We had 32 acres, everything waswonderful.
And so she said something'sgoing on in that town.
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They're getting sick andthey're staying sick for several
weeks.
I'm not going there.
I said I agree, don't go there.
And then later we find out it'sthis thing called COVID.
And then they're talking aboutthis lung infection, pneumonia,
and then when we would start tocough for a little bit, we would
lay that on our wood stove andit would burn and fill the room
up a little bit of smoke, kindof like an incense call it
(50:02):
incense and we'd breathe it inand know lung infection.
So we actually had the antidoteto the COVID long back then.
And then we got to get yeah, wegot together at a party for the
medicine man because he wasstuck in Florida during the
lockdown and lockdown is aprison term, so we are prisoners
(50:23):
.
So he was there and then hecame back and we had a party to
welcome him back.
So I showed up one of the fewtimes.
I left the farm and I walkedand people were at distance and
I went what's going on here?
I put my hand to shake a guythat I had never met before.
I shouldn't have tried to shakehis hand.
He pulled his hand back.
I mean, what the hell is goingon here?
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What's wrong with you people?
Oh, we've got to stay six feet.
Six feet, that's 72 inches.
How do you know this?
73, 71?
.
And then the medicine man's wifecame up and says you're a
Republican, you just want peopleto die.
I went what the hell is goingon here?
(51:05):
You've got the insanity virus.
Am I in some Outer Limits or aTwilight Zone episode?
Right?
And I go over to the medicineman and said can I shake your
hand?
He said sure, can I be thatclose to you?
He said, sure, I went yeah,we're normal, they're abnormal.
So right from back then I knewsomething was going on and I'm
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here to actually help save theFilipino people.
79 million people have beenjabbed with that, what I believe
is a bio-terror weapon thatthey injected in people.
So I have the antidote, I takethe antidote, I use it.
I'm here to help the people.
So, yeah, no, I've got a biggercause above.
So that's what keeps me basedon my faith.
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So if you're not with God,you're not with me, so I don't
have to be in touch with you.
If you're not with God, you'renot with me, so I don't have to
be in touch with you.
I don't have contact with you,I don't have a crossing, I don't
want to be involved with you.
Bye-bye.
Jackie Pelegrin (52:00):
Yeah, then I leave it open.
Tommy Kilpatrick (52:01):
You know they have a question.
Sure Question is what they wantInformation.
And I was asking back aquestion Were you created?
Yeah, Give me a definition ofcreate.
And then, all of a sudden, abeliever.
So now I'm going to be abeliever, Great.
Now what do we do?
We're here to help.
We're here to do something,make this life better.
So what can you do?
What are you good at?
(52:22):
So how can I get you to beindependent?
But not independent,interdependent.
So we need to be interdependenton everybody.
So it's just not wonderful.
Dependent on everybody.
So it's just not wonderful,because when you're independent,
you're alone.
And that's how I've felt formany years alone and not here.
I'm with family.
Now They've welcomed me in.
(52:42):
It's amazing to be in a countrywhere people smile and they're
happy, even though they don'thave it.
They can be peso poor, butthey're love rich.
And I ask every single FilipinoI can I say what makes you
happy?
And you know the consistentanswer is family.
They have family, they havetheir mother, they have their
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grandmother, they go to work andthey pay part for their mother.
They pay part for theirfather's existence and funny
enough is, it's the law there'sactually a law here that
children have to take care oftheir parents that's amazing.
Jackie Pelegrin (53:18):
I wish they had that here in the united states.
Yeah, you know, yeah, we don'ttake, take good care of our
older people.
We don't take good care of ourmilitary when they come back
from war, and yeah, and thenthere's veterans on the street
right that are homeless andcommitting suicide because
they're not getting the carethey need.
Tommy Kilpatrick (53:35):
So it's yeah, it's really sad that we have
that, and that's part of mymedical clinic that I want to
come back to, the AmericanHealth Create, is that I have a
drug detox program.
That's it's a lockdown.
It's not a prison, but it's a.
You don't leave for 30 days andin 30 days I can clean the body
with our techniques, and then90 days to clear the mind.
(53:59):
So it takes a while to undoyour addictive mind.
So that's why I was initiallygoing to Argentina.
I was going to go to Argentinawith $7,000 to open up an
import-export business, to get apassport.
So I was going to buy a farmthere.
Well, with no money, don'tworry about it, it'll come.
God provides whatever I need.
(54:20):
So I need a farm.
So then I go back to Maine, talkto the judge and I say these
drug addicts are going to redoit, they're going to be recited,
they're going to be back to thesame old thing.
They're going to see them again.
I'll tell you what.
Give them a conditional pardonso they can get a passport and
they can leave, because they'rea convicted felon, just have
drugs.
They're not violent, they justthe Sackler family targeted that
(54:43):
area of Maine and they made $15billion selling their Oxycontin
.
They gave this end-of-life drug, this painkiller that's for
end-of-life, to children.
Jackie Pelegrin (54:57):
They are so evil.
Tommy Kilpatrick (54:57):
These people are Satanists Anything evil
Satanists.
So they did this to thatcommunity and devastated it,
just like they did to the areaof West Virginia.
So here I can take them with aconditional pardon to Argentina
on a farm to be with God'smother Nature.
They have to stay away from thecity, stay away from everything
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human-made, and all they can dois be involved with God.
They can build their own house.
I'm going to teach some men howto be men and then they get
their life back together againand they can come back if they
want to.
They can stay there forever.
They get a passport in twoyears.
So their have to be changeddramatically and we take them
out of their toxic, drugaddicted community and be strong
(55:41):
again.
You don't have a new name.
That's really important,because they have to change
their name to be adifferentiation of what happened
just in the past and they aredoing now right.
Jackie Pelegrin (55:51):
So it's a, it's a.
It's a, like they say, when,when we become in Christ, we the
old passes away, right, webecome new.
And so, yeah, that's amazing.
And the old, yeah, the oldpasses away.
We're new identity in Christ.
So, yeah, I love that.
That's what it made me.
It made me think of that verse.
You know, when you, the oldgoes away, yeah, the old goes
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away.
It's like when God says in theBible I'm going to take your
hardened heart and then I'mgoing to make a new heart, I'm
going to give you a new heart.
So I love that.
Tommy Kilpatrick (56:21):
It's amazing In.
Jackie Pelegrin (56:33):
Genesis the most powerful thing God gave.
Tommy Kilpatrick (56:36):
Adam and Eve.
The very first task that theywere to do was what Name all the
animals and and plants?
Name is power, name is control.
So if you are a drug addict, no, I'm an alcoholic, no, because
now you're identifying that.
Well, the former, no, what areyou now?
What is this now?
So now you pick a new name,pick a new uh purpose, and so
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with that new name, you identifywith that now.
So you are in control.
So I'm going to be giving backthe power control to these
people who thought there wasnothing for them oh, that's
amazing, great.
Jackie Pelegrin (57:10):
So, as we, as we wrap this up, um, as you know
, a lot of my listeners are ineducation.
Some of them are going intoinstructional design or they
want to do some type of learningdevelopment where they help
others to be able to make theirlives better right, whether they
go into education or they gointo a certain trade or
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something like that.
So what are a couple of tipsand advice that you can share
with those that are currently inthe master's program in
instructional design?
The courses I teach here atGrand Canyon University?
Tommy Kilpatrick (57:43):
I would.
I'm just learning the language.
So I thought if I go to a book,the book.
They already know how to speakthe language and they're going
to tell me that I have to learnall the syntax and the rules and
the grammar.
I don't want that.
I want to speak the language, Iwant to connect with people.
So I thought what would be thetwo most important words to
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learn?
And God and love.
So I learned Dios and Palabrasand from there I developed my
language.
So I've actually written a book.
I've written a book on how tospeak Hili Gaino in 30 days, and
I did it.
Now I'm having it edited sothat I make sure the words are
Hili Gaino, because the computergave me the wrong words.
(58:26):
So I'm verifying that and thenI'll send that to my publisher
and they'll put the pictures in.
I'll make a new book and it'llbe ready on Amazon.
So what I would say to youraudience is you're approaching a
situation, a problem, and don'tjust automatically grab a book
and say, here, read the book andit's under 12.
(58:47):
How would you do it?
How would you want to be taughtand go oh, okay, I'm actually
much more of a.
I have to write things down andonce I write the word down, I
got to see it in my head.
When I close my eyes and I canspell the word backwards, I know
the word.
So when I close my eyes, I seethe word in my head, I can spell
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it backwards.
I can spell it backwards, thenI know the word.
So that's what kind of startedme on this book.
So I kind of encourage youraudience to write your own book,
or encourage your students orpeople involved in it to write
the way they would want it to be, because they don't have to
follow someone else's direct.
(59:31):
They know all the material.
That's great, right?
How are you going to learn?
What's it make you?
Are you auditory learner?
Very few people are.
Lectures are worse.
It's easy for the personspeaking, but to be lectured to,
most people don't get it.
We're different learners.
We have different styles.
Sometimes you have to do it.
(59:51):
I use my hands all the time toreinforce my language, reinforce
my, my words, to reinforce mymemory.
Use other props, use somethingthat works for you.
So if you can pass that on tothe next generation, then
they're going to go.
Oh, I don't have to just acceptwhat's in the past.
I can write it Right.
Write your own book, becausenow you can put it on amazon in
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31, in about three days it'spublished.
You upload it and within threedays anyone in the world can buy
your book.
So my filipina artist andhaving her draw because she'd
write draws every.
I've told her she'll draw everyday.
If you're an artist you gottadraw every day.
I don't care what it is, justdraw.
(01:00:33):
We're going to put 100 or 200of her drawings into a book and
I'm telling you, in 30 daysshe's going to show her mom.
Don't tell her now, but tellher mom that she's a published
author and she can type up hername, amazon and there's her
book.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:00:47):
Wow.
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:00:49):
So that can happen to your students, that
can happen to you.
I'm talking to you out there,so say focus on knowing what the
word means God loves you.
God means I give.
So focus on the giving and ifthey're not giving, keep them
out of your life.
You don't need them near you.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:01:07):
Yeah, yeah, Focus on the giving.
I love that.
Thank you, Tommy, for all yourwisdom and your insight, and you
know you've had such awonderful, colorful life.
You know, and as we all have,you know we have our ups and
downs, but it's how we finish.
This life is how, like you said, how are we making an impact on
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others and how are we helpingthem to get closer to God?
Because I think, at the end ofthe day, as Christians, that's
what we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to bring as manypeople into the kingdom as we
can.
So that's, that's beautiful.
(01:01:49):
I love it.
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:01:50):
Great and look up the word spirit.
Go into the dictionary, look upspirit and see what it means.
And it means to breathe.
Isn't that funny?
God means breath, but we can'tlive without what?
Four minutes we can live.
How long without water?
How long can we live withoutfood?
But we can't live withoutbreathing for minutes.
So breathing is breathing,spirit back.
(01:02:13):
So when you feel you're losingtouch, just stop yourself and
breathe.
It's when we're holding on tothings.
We're holding on to thingsyou're not going to be able to
hold on and survive.
You've got to let it go.
You've got to be the breath.
As we were talking before, Iwas saying about how you spell
God.
We can't pronounce God becauseit has those letters Y, h.
They spell it many differentways, but you know what I'm
(01:02:37):
talking about Yahweh.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:02:37):
It's the breath .
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:02:38):
Just breathing .
That's the spelling of yourbreath, so breathe.
And that's why you can'tpronounce it, because how do you
pronounce yeah?
Exactly, go ahead, pronouncethat, yeah, you can't.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:02:53):
That's true.
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:02:55):
That's what God is so, when you're feeling
losing touch, stop and take abreath.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:03:00):
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Hello and welcome to the Designing with
Love podcast.
I am your host, Jackie Pelegrin, where my goal is to bring you
information, tips and tricks asan instructional designer.
Hello, GCU students, alumni andfellow educators, welcome to
episode 39 of the Designing withLove podcast.
(00:21):
Today I have the pleasure ofinterviewing Tommy Kilpatrick, a
retired teacher and author wholives in the Philippines.
Welcome, Tommy.
Tommy Kilpatrick (00:29):
Well, thank you, thank you very much.
Thank you so much for coming onmy show today.
So can you tell us a little bitabout yourself?
Well, let's see, I always liketo talk about myself, of course.
I was born and raised inCalifornia and, let's see, ended
up going to college as a doublemajor for accounting and
abnormal psychology, whichsounds pretty crazy.
(00:51):
But I worked at Napa StateMental Hospital with autistic
children and the time was like1975.
There was only five children inthe northern state of
California that were autisticenough to be in a hospital and
now the rates are like 1 in 12in California.
So something's very seriouslygoing on with our autism.
(01:15):
So I have a real strongconnection to the autistic and I
had a psychiatrist come andtell me I've never seen anyone
relate to these kids like you do.
So these kids were psychotic,they did not relate with you,
they couldn't carry on aconversation and one kid would
just tear a paper in half andput it through the fence, reach
(01:35):
through, pick it back, cut it inhalf again or tear it again in
half, put it back through thefence.
I did what he did for hours.
I'm being paid.
Oh my goodness, why care?
I'm just doing what he's doing.
Another kid would pick sand upand he would put the sand in and
let it fall through his hand tothe ground and that's all he
did all day long.
But he did it into the sun.
I would notice a pattern thathe would do and he's looking and
(01:59):
he's enjoying something.
I'm doing the same thing.
I don't see it.
I don't see it.
And so years later, I turn intoa commercial diver.
I'm offshore, 68 miles offshore, holding a diver's hose, for
hours, staring out into thewater, and all of a sudden I see
(02:23):
a, a hallucination, and that'swhat the kid.
I immediately said oh, that'swhat the kid was doing the sand,
those little particles weregoing through the sun and they
were dancing.
And that's what he, that's whatI got.
So, oh my gosh.
So years later, theseexperiences come back in my life
.
So I ended up being quite anentrepreneur.
(02:46):
When I was about seven, I wasbaking cookies and cake and
making Kool-Aid, and when myfriends didn't have money to buy
my food, I would have them goout and find me three customers
and I'll give you a piece forfree.
So I motivated them to bringcustomers to me.
And then, when I was 15, I wasworking as a diver in Dana Point
(03:08):
and we would scrape barnaclesoff the boat and all kinds of
work underwater, and I wasmaking $165 a week, when my
friends were working atMcDonald's barely making $35 or
$40 a week.
So I actually had my ownmotorcycle and I had a license
to drive a motorcycle at 15because I had driver's education
(03:31):
.
But there was a littleprovision.
If you had driver's education,you could get a motorcycle
license If you didn't drive on afreeway and you didn't carry a
passenger and you didn't driveat night.
Well, of course I did all three, but I had to drive to high
school on my motorcycle to learnhow to drive a car.
So later on I got a.
I got a car license after I hadalready had a motorcycle
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license.
So then, uh, let's see.
Then I went to college.
Oh, I, I graduated early.
I had enough credits, so Igraduated in January.
And then I turned 17 about twoweeks before that, and then I
entered into a contract.
I bought my own Mazda RX3.
And it was a nice little sportscar kind of looking like, and I
had $1,000 cash.
(04:15):
And you should have seen theeyes of those salesmen when I
came up, a 17-year-old kid walksin with a pile of cash.
He says I want that car.
Okay, sign a contract.
You can't do that.
I was under 18.
I signed, I had a car paymentat 17.
And then I moved out of myparents' house about two months
after that and into an apartment.
(04:36):
I had my own apartment down inLong Beach, first and orange,
and it was $95 a month andincluded utilities.
I had a Murphy bed, so the bedwould come down, I'd sleep on it
, push it back up and turn itaround and my bed was my living
room.
So the living room turned intoa bedroom and then I got a job
(04:57):
as an insurance investigator.
I lied, I told them I was 19.
They looked at my driver'slicense.
They knew I was 17.
They knew I lied, they hired meanyway.
So I became an insuranceinvestigator and I would go out
to people's homes or their caror their business and take
pictures.
I was the eyes of the insurancecompanies so they could see
what was really reality.
They wanted a second opinionand so I gave that to them and
after about six months I had thejob down.
(05:18):
So well, I only worked abouttwo or three hours a day and
then I would get home, I'd ridemy bicycle down to the beach,
suntan and maybe shoot pool,whatever, just relax.
After about a year of that Ilooked at the other guys who
were 40, 50 years old going.
I don't want to be that way.
In 40 years I don't want to bedoing the same thing.
(05:39):
So I said, okay, my dad's a CPA, I'll take over his practice.
He's already built anestablished business.
I'll go to college, I'm good atmath, so that's my direction.
But then a deaf guy came intothe tutoring room and he had an
interpreter.
So he had lost his hearing whenhe was about four so he could
talk.
So I would talk, she'd sign tohim and then he would talk to me
(06:01):
.
And I thought, well, wait asecond, if, if I got to learn,
if I learned sign language, thenI could have the interpreter
and then I could talk to him.
And then he became a friend andmy neighbor.
He lived right next to me.
So, uh, then I learned signlanguage and I went to the
counselor, said I'm reallyexcited about signing.
What do I do?
Oh, be a school, be a socialworker, okay.
(06:22):
So I changed my major, socialwork, moved to san francisco and
I am not a social worker.
Okay.
So I changed my major to socialwork, moved to San Francisco
and I am not a social worker.
So right about two classes.
Right before I graduated I tooka walk and never came back.
So then, on a lot of differentadventures, I wrote books and
I'm an author.
I write every day and then alsowas involved in education
(06:44):
because I would teach how to dothis healing thing, and then
we'll talk about this in alittle bit.
But I actually was part of thefounding members of a charter
school, so I'm actually part ofcreating your own public school
and I taught there for 10 yearsbecause my daughter went there
and my son went there.
So I have a lot of knowledgeand experience of a private
(07:07):
education.
I was never a school teacherbecause I didn't have a
credential, but I've done itright, so yeah about me, I guess
great well, thank you, tommy,that's great.
Jackie Pelegrin (07:15):
And you mentioned, uh, the process of
what it took to get a publicschool.
That must have been quite anadventure trying to do that and
trying to figure out how thesystems work, because you have
all the different legal avenuesright and you have the state and
things like that that you haveto navigate.
So I'm sure that that's got tobe complex and, unfortunately,
(07:37):
probably red tape that you haveto go through.
So what did you find that wasthe most challenging with that
part of it and maybe what wasthe most rewarding with that
experience for you that youcould share with our audience?
Tommy Kilpatrick (07:50):
It's exactly what you said.
You're right on.
There was a ballot initiativein California for the voucher.
People were upset with the pooreducation and wanted an
alternative.
So somebody put a ballotinitiative on and it might pass.
The problem is that if itpassed, the public schools would
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not be able to take a voucher.
So the legislature, inanticipation, they passed a
charter school law that wouldallow schools and school
districts to become chartered.
Law that would allow schoolsand school districts to become
chartered.
Oh, now they can, because ifthey get approval by the school
board, it's all correct, allcool, now you take the voucher.
Now nothing changes the wholeplan.
(08:36):
We don't change anything.
We like what is going on.
We like what's going on, welike our power, so we're not
going to give that up.
So, yes.
Then one of our ladies in thecommunity had thought of trying
to start a magnet school but wasturned down by the school,
school district, school board.
Everything was against hertrying to get something, you
know, more educational and shethought, oh well, why don't we
(08:57):
just start our own charterschool?
So 53 families got together andwe decided to start our own
public school.
So we had the you have to givea proposal and we laid it all
out and ours was going to bedifferent.
We want it to be, first of all,small class sizes.
They were looking at 30 to 35.
We wanted ours 15.
So you can't do that with ahuge overhead.
(09:20):
But if you do the math, we got$5,000 per kid.
If we have 100 kids, we gotfive thousand dollars per kid.
If we have a hundred kids, wegot enough.
And then we didn't have to havea school.
We didn't pay for schoolbecause we could use the school
districts empty schools becausethey had empty classrooms that
were not being used, so we coulduse that.
The second one is developmental.
We didn't want to do what wedid.
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You're in a classroom, you'rebored to death because you're
way ahead, or you're bored todeath because you don't get it,
and either spectrum you're lost.
They only would teach to themiddle and if you couldn't keep
up you'd just sit back and comeback next year.
You know you need another yearof this or again you'd be
(10:03):
causing problems, like me,because I had a little bit of
head.
I was always getting out of mychair.
They went, I tied me down.
It sounds terrible, but it was.
It was just a rope that tied medown to the chair.
It wasn't that tight oranything, but it was just a
symbol.
Stay in your chair, tommy.
No, I'm like I'm a boy, I getup, I got energy.
So I remember it was funny.
(10:24):
It wasn't traumatic at all, itwas just entertaining to me.
Jackie Pelegrin (10:27):
That's funny that you didn't mention that
yeah.
Tommy Kilpatrick (10:31):
Wow.
So then the third thing isparent participation.
Because the parents were notinvolved.
Why should they?
They're not interested in kids'education.
We didn't want those kind ofparents.
We wanted parents who wererequired to participate.
Now, that doesn't mean they hadto be at the school.
There's lots of things thatneed to be done outside of
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school.
It could mean that you could doan extra curricular activity,
like one of the guys, one of thedads was a Marine, and so we
would have a class, anafter-school program, where we
would take these kids like BoyScouts and take them in the
desert.
We would walk on.
He'd point down look at thatmark right there, what's that
from?
And they'd say a snake, okay,think about a snake, it moves
(11:16):
this way.
That's a straight line, okay.
A lizard Line.
A lizard has a tail and there'syour feet, so he would teach
them basic skills and thingslike that.
It could never have been donein a typical public school.
We had art, because many of ourmoms and dads were artists, so
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they would bring the artwork in,and so it was.
And then the path.
Oh my gosh.
It took us pressure and itrequired basically all of us in
the school board meeting to putthe pressure on that board to
pass.
They didn't want to.
Oh no, they don't want us.
They said we're not in thesystem.
(12:00):
And they tried to stretch themeeting out.
Stretch the meeting out.
We're at midnight and we didn'tleave, and so they had to throw
their hands up and said okay,you can have a charter law, you
get it for five years.
We'll come back and review andwe'll see what happens.
And they would, hopefully wouldfail.
Well, within two months, all ofour credentialed teachers quit.
(12:24):
And it was a crisis.
A crisis.
All of our teachers quit.
What are we going to do?
And so we had a meeting at ourschool and one of the vice
president, or something like avice superintendent he came down
and he said look, folks, I tellyou what dissolve your charter
(12:45):
school and we'll give you amagnet school.
And so people are going wellyeah, I don't want this hassle,
I don't want to do all this work.
Yeah, let's go that way.
I got up and I pointed out thisguy is a salesman.
He's selling you what we haveis a charter school.
Yeah, we got problems, so what?
In five years we can come backand dissolve this, but let's
(13:09):
hang it.
He's selling you something hedoesn't have.
Don't trust this guy.
And we won by one vote.
One vote would have ended ourpublic school adventure in just
two months.
But we recovered.
We learned our mistakes.
Of course you're going to makemistakes, catastrophic mistakes.
(13:30):
And we got along about fouryears.
And guess what happened?
All the teachers quit andpeople were telling me Tom, you
did such a great job, get backup there and talk.
I said no, why?
Oh, we're in wave four, what?
Well, you've heard of threesteps forward, two steps back,
(13:51):
right, you've all heard of that.
Right, it misdescribes itimmediately.
What is one step forward, onestep back, one step forward, and
see how long that was.
One step back, one step forward, and that's a five pattern.
So it's one, two, three, four,five.
And knowing that that was acritical point, number two, when
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we had lost all of our teachers, that's when I had to speak,
had to get up and be passionateand do that.
When we were at wave four wealready had a school.
It's not going to threatenbecause you see, wave one goes
up.
If it goes down below it goesaway.
So we made it, we're fine.
So I knew where we were in thepattern and that's called an
(14:39):
Elliott wave theory.
It's used primarily infinancials and stuff.
Because of my accountingbackground and all that kind of
stuff, I had that knowledge.
So I said no and sure enough,we won.
There was no problem.
We moved on.
We got new teachers.
Jackie Pelegrin (14:53):
And it's still functioning today.
Tommy Kilpatrick (14:56):
It's still going on today.
That was formed in 1993.
Jackie Pelegrin (15:00):
Wow, and it's still there.
Wow, that's amazing.
And all it took was one vote.
So they say one vote can make adifference, right, and
sometimes people think well, itdoesn't matter, but it really
does yeah.
Tommy Kilpatrick (15:13):
And it depends on you getting up.
You got to get off your seatand get up there and be
passionate about what youbelieve.
Jackie Pelegrin (15:21):
Right, that's so true.
Yeah, passion, yeah, it doesmake a difference.
Absolutely yeah, and before westart.
Tommy Kilpatrick (15:28):
I'm going to stop right there.
I love words.
You said passion, passion.
Passion means suffering orenduring, Ion means a little.
So to have a passion, you'vegot to have a little bit of
misery, you got to have a littlebit of enduring, a little bit
of you know just something aboutit, but not a lot, because then
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it's torture.
So that's what motivates us iswe're not satisfied.
Just a little bit better.
Come on, we can do it.
Jackie Pelegrin (15:56):
And that's your passion.
Tommy Kilpatrick (15:57):
So follow your passion, because you know, it
irritates you.
Jackie Pelegrin (16:01):
I love that.
No, I didn't think of passionthat way, but it's yeah, it's
true.
It keeps you motivated to keepmaking things better and keep
striving Right, because if we'reas they say, if we're um, if
we're stagnant and we're yeah,we're not going anywhere and
we're just not going to besatisfied.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Things are not always going togo how we plan, but we, we, we,
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but sometimes we have to pivot,but we can make the best of it
and, with the Lord's help, wecan do it right, absolutely,
absolutely, yeah.
So I know, before we startedrecording, we were talking about
our faith and, as a lot of mylisteners know, I'm a Christian,
I grew up Catholic, and I'm notsure where your faith
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background is.
But did you want to kind oftalk a little bit about because
that's what drew us together, tohave you come on the show is
that faith background and thingslike that?
So did you want to talk alittle bit about your background
and that?
And then we can kind of go intosome different faith-based
questions as well.
Tommy Kilpatrick (17:05):
Sure, I'd be happy to.
I was raised in an Episcopalfamily and so we went to the
Episcopal church and we would goevery Sunday and my mom and dad
really liked this pastor and hewas a great guy and I was, as I
said, I was really highlyinterested in education and
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learning.
So at age four my mom had thepastor lie about my birth date
and created a baptismal on adifferent day that allowed me to
get into school.
So instead of a January birthdate, I was a November, which
allowed me to get in school atfour.
So I started a year youngerthan anybody else and so right
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from there I got some supportand help from the church in that
sense of a lot.
But then again, when the Nazisare banging on the door, the
Christians write things sayingno, I have no idea who you're
looking for, and you're hidingthe Jewish people in the
basement, willing to die to savesomeone else.
So that's really what yourChristian faith is.
So then my mom said I want youto be confirmed in a church and
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I said, okay, on condition youdon't ask me to do anything else
.
So I wanted my independence, Iwanted my freedom.
Okay, you want me to do this,then I get to do what I want to
do.
So I was a good boy.
You know my brother would.
I had two older brothers andthey were kind of a little bit
of a misfit, a little bit of abrother's art, but I was a nice
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kid.
I came along, I saw what wasgoing on, so I was very nice.
So she agreed to that.
So I got confirmed in thechurch and then I saw some
really attractive ladies in thehigh school in the Jesus kind of
like the little Jesus group.
So I got a Bible, startedhanging out with her, and so I
was hanging out with the women.
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But that didn't work out.
So and then, yeah, and then Iwent to college and basically
became a Satanist.
Jackie Pelegrin (19:07):
Oh gosh.
Tommy Kilpatrick (19:09):
Oh, my yeah.
You went another direction,completely you look at carl marx
, and he was a satanist, but hewas studying to be a preacher,
so at 17 he was a christian andthen, 18, he got involved in
something and went totally theother way.
And so then, um at uh, tryingto think, oh, charles Darwin, he
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too was in school and they tookoff on that ship and then he
became a Satanist.
So I say that not in a sensethat I was ritually doing it.
I got involved in a politicalorganization which was socialist
and it was in 1975.
And my friend became a memberof this Young Socialist Alliance
and he needed a bookkeeper,knowing that I had an accounting
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background.
And my friend became a memberof this Young Socialist Alliance
and he needed a bookkeeper,knowing that I had an accounting
background and I needed theexperience of doing bookkeeping.
So I became the bookkeeper forthis organization and then I
studied some more with it and Ihad my viewpoint at the time was
either we're going to havenuclear war or be with the Nazis
.
That was my only viewpoint ofthe future.
I had not had a positiveviewpoint from what I had seen
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Since I was 10, I was shippingcookies to Vietnam, so at the
dinner table we hadconversations about the Vietnam
War and about the death and I'dwatch every Thursday and I would
count how many soldiers wouldbe did and how many of the Viet
Cong were killed.
And I'm going this math doesn'tadd up.
We can't keep losing 200 guysand keep killing 2,000, 3,000 of
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them.
It just where did these peoplecome from?
So I knew they were lying to me.
I knew back in a tent thatLyndon Johnson was lying to me.
So I really had a real negativeviewpoint towards it all.
So this organization waseducational and we couldn't do
anything illegal because we knewthe FBI was involved with us.
We knew next to you was an FBIagent and if you did anything
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illegal we'd be arrested andwe'd be all in jail.
So if we didn't do anythingillegal, that was really really
super important.
So it only took me until about10 years ago to realize I was
part of a Satanist organization.
So that's why I wanted to bescary and something abrupt with
you to say I was part of itbecause my dad was a Mason and
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his dad was a Mason.
But the Masons are alsoSatanists because not in the
beginning.
They don't tell you all thatstuff and you keep moving up the
levels up, you keep moving up.
All of a sudden they show whatthe really they are, and that's
what happens with a communist,with a socialist, with the nazis
.
So I have a very simple thingis that god loves us, right?
Jackie Pelegrin (21:49):
right, right, he does.
Tommy Kilpatrick (21:51):
And in Hebrew the word love means I give, so
God gave us life, right.
Jackie Pelegrin (22:00):
Right.
Tommy Kilpatrick (22:00):
What a gift.
So if you're with God, you aregiving.
If you are not with God, you'renot.
So you could be a Satanist, butyou're not, so you're not with
God.
So who is the number one enemyof God?
Satan, right.
Everything you see out there isSatanist.
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If they're not with you, ifthey're not giving, if they're
not producing food, if they'renot raising animals, if they're
not doing care for other people,then they are not loving.
You've got to stay away fromthose people and we have to stay
focused here.
So what's going on at all thenews and stuff?
Satanism.
You see the dancing of Satan atthe Grammy Awards.
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I didn't watch the GrammyAwards, but I heard about it.
I had to watch that last littlebit of their ceremony and it's
obvious I didn't watch theceremonies of the Paris Olympics
, but I saw that clip and therewas Satanism.
They are so open, and I havecome across people who are, who
were Satanists, who left andthey said you know what?
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I don't want to part withanybody where I'm leading.
He said go away, it's okay, I'mgoing to tell everybody what
you're doing.
Go ahead, we don't care,because the Satanists know
they're going to win.
It doesn't matter.
They got time on their hands,and so are the Muslims.
The Muslims are Satanists too.
They're not part of ourreligion.
They're not part of theAbrahamic religion.
They are a cult.
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For 1400 years they were calledMuhammadites and there's not any
proof that Muhammad actuallyexisted.
So I may be crossing a littlebit too much for you, but I'm
just telling you either you'rewith God or you're not.
So that's where I'm coming from, so that's my background.
So I'm a believer, I'm in aChristian country.
So that's my background.
So I'm a believer, I'm in aChristian country, and you'll
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find that most of them are notpracticing, even though they may
go to church, they do behaviorthings.
I'm trying to meet a lady hereA sawa is what we say here for a
wife and I meet 40-year-olds or50-year-olds, and they've got a
10-year-old or a 4-year yearold and there's no husband.
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So it's, it's, uh yeah, they'repracticing.
Maybe not, but they areChristian.
So I want to be here.
This is the place I want to be,so I feel safe.
Jackie Pelegrin (24:18):
So that's why I came all the way to the.
Tommy Kilpatrick (24:19):
Philippines.
Jackie Pelegrin (24:20):
Yeah, how long have you been out there in the
Philippines?
Now Seven.
You said seven months before wegot on here.
Tommy Kilpatrick (24:27):
Right, seven months, yeah, so I was in a
marriage of 28 years, and thenthe wife said get out and take
the dog with you, because inAmerica men are what I say is
garbage we're useless, we're notneeded.
And you might disagree, butthat's from my point of view,
from what I've lived through.
And so I started taking a walkand I walked in faith.
(24:48):
Oh, let me back that up alittle bit.
So about five years before that, I woke up one morning and went
okay, god, I believe I don'tknow the pressure was there that
morning.
I went, okay, I believe, andthat's what it took for me to
get back to my Christian roots.
It was one morning.
I got out of bed and I justsaid, okay, I'll stop resisting.
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And that led me into you knowthe direction.
So when the wife said, get out,take God with you, I saw it as
a blessing, thank you very muchPut a backpack on and started
walking, ended up in Sedona andI was with a Christian family,
an evangelical family, who hadbeen on the streets preaching
and she had at that time she hadsix children and then, when she
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had her seventh child, then Godtold them to create a bakery in
their home, and they areallowed to do that in Arizona, a
home bakery, and I met them ata farmer's market and I walked
to the farmer's market.
She had a whole table full ofbread and then I walk her around
a little bit, I come back andalmost all the bread is gone.
(25:56):
I'm going how did this allhappen?
She said well, god told us tobe a bakery.
And what we do?
We take the grain, then wecrush it into flour and we bake
it and it has all the nutrients,has all the things, Even if you
are gluten intolerant not theother one, but if you're gluten
intolerant, then you can eat ourbread.
And sure enough, I said I'llgive you a year.
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So I had some money for mybusiness.
So I bought a motor home.
I lived in that and rightoutside of Phoenix, so it was
very nice and hot.
Jackie Pelegrin (26:27):
Yep, and I know that there was snow in the
winter.
Tommy Kilpatrick (26:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah , I know that weather I.
I took my thermometer, mylittle portable thing you point
at.
My pointer thermometer was 130degrees outside my uh motorhome
inside of 110, even with the acgoing I had four showers, four
cold showers a day, just tosurvive.
I'm never gonna do this.
And here I am in thephilippines, but it's not that
bad.
It's bad, but not that bad.
Jackie Pelegrin (26:54):
So yeah, it's not as hot yeah, yeah.
Tommy Kilpatrick (26:58):
So then I helped them, uh, sell their
bread at the markets and so ittook them from 200 to like 500,
700 that day.
I would call 200 people and getpre-orders so they knew what
kind of bread to bake that weekand so we would deliver it or
have it there at the market forthem.
So the year came up, it wastime for me to move on and they
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said God spoke to us, you got togo east.
So I, okay, I'm going east.
So I looked in the Craigslistand this guy was from Michigan.
He's a body shop kind of guy.
He bought two cars, twodifferent auctions, because they
have no rust where you're at,so it's a certain kind of car
that he knows how to work on.
So he bought one and drove itup because he flies there and he
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drove the car to me.
He and I got in a car and we'regoing to go to another auction
site for me to follow him backto Michigan.
So I gave the family my murderhome.
I emptied all my pockets of allmy money and gave it to them,
because I believe you cannotfill your pockets up unless
they're empty.
And you know what they did theyhanded me an envelope of money.
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So then off we went to Michiganand then I ended up to a farm
in Connecticut, in Old Sabra,connecticut.
Jackie Pelegrin (28:11):
Oh, wow.
Tommy Kilpatrick (28:12):
So they had no running water, no heat, no
electricity, and it was a hayhouse.
It was built of hay balescovered in plaster, so the only
way I had heat was from thecandles the stubs from the
Catholic Church donated the stubcandles to this guy and so he
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had a farm there.
So I did the organic gardeningthere with him and sold products
at the farmer's market.
And then a lady came by with atwo-year-old son and she said
hey, I'm going to Maine, whydon't you come with me?
So I went to Maine and hung outthere for 10 years and then
raised her son from two to 11and then was a home teacher.
(28:55):
We did our homeschooling andthen she decided to have fun
with a neighbor.
Here I am.
So I came to the Philippines tofind a wife and what I do is I
teach farmers how to build domehouses with bamboo, so it's free
housing.
I teach vertical gardening, sohow to get your food vertically
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instead of bending over.
And I'm here to open up freemedical clinics for the
community.
So I'm an author, so I'mwriting books.
Now it's on Amazon, so I sellbooks.
The money there goes to do whatI'm doing here.
So that's my project I've got.
20 years from now I'll be oldand gray, then I'll retire.
But I've got too much energy.
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I'm every day, full of life,ready to go.
So that's my Christian faith.
So every day I wake up blessed,thanking God I'm alive.
What can I do for his purpose?
I only do things what God wantsme to do.
God provides everything.
I don't ask for anything.
I only do things what God wantsme to do.
God provides everything.
I don't answer anything.
I don't need anything.
I want anything.
God puts people in my place forreason and purpose.
I'm to figure that out.
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What's the reason that you'rein my life?
So how can we make this better?
How can we move this forward?
So that's why I'm all excited.
Jackie Pelegrin (30:05):
That's great.
I love that, yeah, and you wereable to touch so many lives
with what you do, so that'samazing.
So you talked about this alittle bit.
What does it look like tointegrate your faith into your
everyday work what you talkedabout especially in environments
that may not be faith-centered,where you go out there and you
realize that they don't havethat faith that you have or a
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similar faith?
Tommy Kilpatrick (30:33):
that faith that you have, or a similar
faith.
A couple things.
One I like to engage myselfwith the enemy, since I sort of
I really wasn't a satanist in asense that you would think just
because I was involved inorganization was.
But you're still a satanist ifyou're part of the organization.
So I like to seek out and findout atheists.
They're my favorite people totalk to because atheist is
anti-the-ist.
So ist is a word we use at theend to describe something, so
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it's the, the one, the God, theword.
So we're talking about God isthe.
So it's that every word we seeis God.
I see it when we start the wordthe.
So here I have an anti-thethe.
So before I can disagree with aperson, we have to have some
form of agreement.
English is good to start with.
I'm learning that language herein the gyno, but I couldn't
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really debate it in thatlanguage, so I have to stick it
with English.
So if we agree we can speak inEnglish.
Then I need them to agree tothe definition of create, and so
I just ask them what's thedefinition of create?
And they can look it up.
They can know, make produce,come about, come into existence.
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Sure, Okay, Then you just haveto ask them a simple question.
The questions control theconversation.
Were you creative?
Oh my gosh they've never beenasked that question before.
They can't say no because theylook like a complete idiot.
They got to say yes becausethey said no, your mother,
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father didn't create you, youdidn't, weren't born.
So.
But I came across one personwho said that not said, but
wrote it in a book, and that oneperson is Karl Marx.
I've done a lot of studying now, so in a book he said I was not
created.
So the only person you can findand I keep mentioning this
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because the number one book thatis read in the college, all
broadcast, all disciplines, thesize bonehead English, so don't
count that one is the CommunistManifesto.
That is the number one bookread by college students.
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So, oh my gosh, you are feedingyour children communism,
satanism.
My girlfriend that I was talkingabout that took me up to Maine.
She went to Parsons School ofDesign.
This is like a million-dollarfour-year education of art.
They handed her a saw, theygave her wood and said make a
table.
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And she had to make a tablewith just a saw and wood.
That's how difficult they wouldstart off with, let's say, 200
students.
By the end of graduation therewas 50.
And they did this on purpose,because these people were going
to Martha Stewart, any you know,dior, all these high-end
designers that's who they'relooking for is someone who could
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be a designer for their company.
They had to be that smart.
You know what book she read incollege?
The Communist Manifesto.
Going to that private school,she had to read the Communist
Manifesto.
The number one person quoted inall papers by professors is Karl
Marx.
The number two, lenin.
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So that's what I'm dealing withthese atheists.
They go the 75%.
I've heard it.
I can't prove it, but 75% ofChristians that go to college
come out atheists.
So that is, how do we get theseatheists back on our side?
Ask them the question were youcreative?
They've got to say yes, oh,okay, then was I creative.
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So we've got to get yes, oh,okay, then was I creating.
So you've got to get thempracticed to saying yes, yes.
Was that dog over therecreating?
Yes.
Was that tree creating yes.
Was the concrete, the rock,creating yes?
So in English we use E-E to bethe lesser and O-R to be the
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superior, as in lease I'm alease, e, or you could be a
lease, or there's a trust, e anda trust, or there's a governed
by the governor.
So if you are a createe, thenis there a creator?
Yes, what are they?
Jackie Pelegrin (34:55):
there a creator .
Tommy Kilpatrick (34:57):
Yes.
What are they going to say?
Yeah, they got to say yes, okay,right Now they're in a panic,
they're betrayed to be anti-God,so they're going to go.
Oh, no, no, no.
I don't want to believe in somewhite guy in the clouds that's
going to tell me what to do.
White guy in the clouds that'sgoing to tell me what to do,
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because the whole reason is notto be disciplined, not to learn,
not to be.
Uh, I don't eat meat.
I got a long list.
I don't smoke, I don't drink, Idon't take drugs, I don't do
prescription drugs.
I have a long list of notes,because that keeps me focused
and centered on what's mostimportant is god.
So, so that's just me.
So that's where I get theatheist to admit that.
So then I say, okay, wait,before you go into panic.
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God could be a noun, right, okay, and a noun is what we say a
person, place or thing Okay.
If it's a person, we kind oflike to make it look like
ourselves, right?
So God is in our image, becausethat's what they're taught,
right?
You human, make God in yourimage.
So I'm going to play along withthem and say, well, we made God
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to make us fit.
Because if you notice, ifyou've been to China, like I
have, and you see the picturesof Jesus there.
They actually has a little bitof a look to them that looks
like them.
So we modify Jesus to make uslook like the God for us, okay.
But then it's kind of hard toswallow the India religion with
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the elephant, the extra hands.
But if you're born in thatculture you don't think anything
of it.
That's God, okay.
But for us to go and believethat god is kind of a hard sell.
Okay, yeah, then it's a person.
So where could god be?
If it's a place?
If god's a place, where couldit be?
And then, well, could beeverywhere, right or nowhere,
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nowhere.
Put a space between nowhere.
What do you have now here?
So god is nowhere.
No, god is now here, so god iseverywhere.
We know from our physics is thatthe atom and the nuclear in the
act, with the nucleus and theelectron being apart, that
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distance is like 20 miles whenwe put in our scale here.
God is everything in betweenand is all the particles.
So you're part of God, god'spart of you.
Oh, okay, so that's where God'severywhere.
Okay, then it could be a thing,god could be a thing.
Yeah, water, life cannot existwithout water.
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So why not make God water.
You're part of God, god's partof you.
Okay, god could be a verb, andwhat's a verb?
Action?
So couldn't God be electricity?
Couldn't God be the energythat's all around us, everything
in between, and that's part ofus?
No, and it could be a concept.
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So there you go what I say.
When people ask me what is God,I say it's beyond thought.
I cannot conceive it.
It's beyond me.
But how do you know Faith?
Faith is belief withoutevidence.
I don't have to have evidence.
So I explained to the atheiststhat they cannot use the word
believe.
They cannot use the wordbelieve.
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They cannot use the wordconfidence.
There's, like I figured it out,20, 30 words they cannot use
because they're all faith-based.
So once they realize they'regoing to keep thinking that way,
they're not logical.
So all they can do is figureout what you think God is.
That's fine.
Now do God's work of being firstof all thankful.
But to create.
You're here to make thingshappen.
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Grow food, grow animals, helpother people, do something
positive.
Don't do the easy thing bydestruction.
That's all we see in the newstoday.
We see them taking a hammer out, pounding concrete curb to
throw rocks at the cops.
That's destruction.
They are destroying our family,destroying society, destroying
our world, and it's growing.
It are destroying our family.
They're destroying our society.
They're destroying our world,and it's growing, it's not
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shrinking.
So we Christians have to cometogether and be able to educate
our children, who are being sentto satanic schools.
Well, when they teach theCommunist Manifesto and they
quote Karl Marx and Lenin, we'resending them right into Satan's
den.
And what do you expect whenthey come out?
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And here we are, years andyears later.
Jackie Pelegrin (39:22):
So Right yeah that's good.
Yeah, being able to integrateyour faith is, yeah, being able
to have those conversations,yeah, that's so important, so
that's great.
And as we were talking, I justsome verses came to mind, so
that makes me think of the nextquestion are there specific
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biblical principles or versesthat guide how you approach your
work and and when you leadothers through that?
Tommy Kilpatrick (39:51):
I've always think of John 8, 32 so speak.
See, it got me on on spots withmy brain.
The blood left my frontalcortex, so I'm forgetting it.
But you know the truth will setyou free.
The truth will set you free.
That's what it is.
So I like those.
So, yeah, there are many rightnow that run through my head,
but I do study the Bible, butactually I study in Hebrew.
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So the first three words areBarashith, farah elohim.
So barashith means in thebeginning, and I like to start
in the beginning.
Farah means to create.
Ah, create.
We were just talking about thatword.
Jackie Pelegrin (40:28):
So, here.
Tommy Kilpatrick (40:30):
It's a noun or a verb, so you can use it
either way.
El means God, so in thebeginning God created it.
That's as a noun, and that canlead you to deism.
Now, deism is what Einsteinbelieved.
He believed God created theworld and left.
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He's gone.
So yeah, there was a creator,but not involved anymore.
He got the ball started andhe's gone.
Okay, that's where you have it.
If God created the world, but ifyou change that back to a verb
God is creating the world, wellthen you're a theist, then you
have an involved God, and that'swhat I am.
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I'm a theist, so I believethere's an involved God, and
that's what I am.
I'm a theist, so I believethere's an involved God, and I
believe that we have a holycontract.
Did I actually come up withthat?
I came up with a holy contract,but I came across something
that said we were with Godbefore we got here and all these
loving souls, because God onlyhas love all around him.
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And you wanted to do somethingwhile you're here and you made a
deal with God and his souls andyour life has unfolded, and
when you're born, you forget allthe contracts you made, so all
of the evil, rotten things thathave ever happened to me.
I asked for it.
It was my responsibility.
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I wanted to live through it.
I want to experience that God'sapproval and His souls loved me
so much they would be mean andcruel to me to make me feel that
so I could grow as a person.
So everything that's everhappened to me has all been over
the purpose and a reason.
So when I cross paths withpeople who are not believers,
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very simply within minutes Ihave them be a believer.
I don't care what they believe.
At least they're not an atheistanymore, they're not in a
Satanist world.
So then they can start comingover with me, start building
houses, start growing food forpeople, start being involved in
my medical clinic so anybodythat crosses my path, they can
be involved in somethingpositive and faith-based Right.
Jackie Pelegrin (42:40):
And it changes their lives?
Yeah, and it really changestheir lives and changes those
that they're around too.
Yeah, that's a positive impact.
Tommy Kilpatrick (42:48):
I love that.
And that's what makes you happy.
Happiness comes from helpingsomeone else change their life.
So I was explaining to myFilipina friend here that what
we do in America is we're inline, like at McDonald's, in a
car line there in the drive-thruand we drive up and say how
(43:09):
much is it?
Oh, the car ahead of you paid.
Oh well, then you pay the guybehind.
So again, that pay it forward.
And that's what I do.
I walk around, I buy bread offof a little stand here and I'll
have it in bags and I'll walk upto people and I'll say Istika
Regala, alim.
See, I got to remember it Sathe cone, sa emo.
(43:32):
That means a gift from me toyou.
So I go to people who reallydeserve it.
I see a lady sweeping thestreet, cleaning the street.
I walk up to her, I say that toher and I kind of bow a little
bit, I present the gift to herand it's just really welcome.
So that's again.
We want to do acts of randomkindness and it's not typical
here in the Philippines.
They just don't do that.
(43:52):
Americans complain well, theydon't hold the door open for you
.
No, they walk through a door.
The door is open and closed.
It's not for me to hold thedoor for you.
So people think that's rudeness.
No, it's just the way they are,it's their culture, right?
So I'm going to have pesosbecause they don't have any, and
I will buy her something sothat she can have gifts to give
away.
So we're going to go see hermom today, and so we're going to
(44:15):
present her a bottle of wine.
Her mother has always wanted abottle of wine, a red wine.
She thinks it's healthy.
Okay, so we're going to get hera bottle of wine and meet her
up at a church, or, if shedoesn't make it, we'll go to her
house and deliver a gift fromme, a foreigner, as a gift for
her.
Jackie Pelegrin (44:31):
That's amazing.
Tommy Kilpatrick (44:38):
I love that, tommy.
That's great.
Yeah, and making someone else'slife better.
If you can make someone else'slife better, you reflect on it
later and you don't need to getcredit.
A lot of times I give thingsand I walk away.
And I was at a trade show.
There was a little travel tradeshow here.
I love the trade shows walkingaround and I talked to these
nice ladies there.
I was playing with my heligano,practicing my language.
Then I went to the next boothand it was a mango drink.
Oh, I love mango drinks, so Ihad one.
(44:59):
I went make that too.
So then he made a second oneand I went over and I said the
same thing to you Istika regalahagi asa ikon sa imo see.
There's no string attached.
Enjoy the journey.
Jackie Pelegrin (45:14):
Yeah, so making a change in someone's life
makes you happy when you thinkabout it later it's those little
, little things that cansometimes make a huge difference
, because you never know,someone could be in their
darkest moment, ready to you,who knows what, do what right,
and you could be that person.
Making that positive change inthem and they say even just a
(45:35):
smile or just a hello can make ahuge difference, because they
may feel like they're ignoredand, yeah, they don't have
purpose in life.
But then you can bring thatpurpose back into their life and
know that they're loved andthat God loves them too.
So that's great.
I love that.
Tommy Kilpatrick (45:51):
And we know that from a homeless guy getting
a pair of gloves and someonecare and they turn their life
around.
We've had those stories.
So, yes, you're absolutelyright.
Yeah, that's great Randomkindness.
So that's why I want to kind ofbring here in the Philippines,
integrate that into culture.
Just one guy, yeah, so what itjust takes one.
(46:11):
It's got to start somewhere.
It starts with you.
Jackie Pelegrin (46:15):
Right.
Tommy Kilpatrick (46:15):
So, what.
Jackie Pelegrin (46:15):
It just takes one.
It's got to start somewhere,and it starts with you, right,
exactly, and then, before youknow it, you're spreading that
to others, and then they'rereplicating what you're doing.
So, before you know it, you'reshifting the culture in a
positive way, and that's great,yeah, so it's neat.
I love that Great.
Tommy Kilpatrick (46:31):
So I had my brother Tina watch, pay it
Forward.
Jackie Pelegrin (46:45):
And she's watched a lot of movies.
She knows a lot more moviesthan I do but she didn't see
that one.
That was an eye opener to seehow one kid could have an impact
, eye-opening for her and reallybrought that concept into more
of a reality for her becauseit's based on a true story.
So, yeah, that's great.
I love that.
So how do you maintain yourChristian values when faced with
challenges, ethical dilemmas ordifficult people, like you've
(47:06):
mentioned a little bit earlier,those difficult people?
Tommy Kilpatrick (47:10):
Oh yeah, first of all, when I wake up I say a
prayer, but the prayer I neverask for anything is always for
thankfulness.
I'm just, it's an attitude ofgratitude.
So every morning I start offwith an attitude of gratitude
and it's like what can I do tomake it a little better?
Because if I'm loving I'mgiving.
So when I say giving it doesn'tmean that there's a free lunch.
(47:33):
So I have developed a way tofeed people for free, but they
have to do something.
My free clinic here is going tobe free, but the Filipino has
to give me an egg, has to giveme a chicken, has to sweep the
street in front, has to dosomething.
(47:54):
So I think of a movie, the LoneRanger and Tonto the Indian.
He comes up to the body of adead guy and he wants the boots.
So he takes the boots off andhe leaves him a feather.
There always has to be anexchange.
So then when he's standing in amuseum as a prop, he then leans
(48:15):
down and grabs a kid's popcornand gives him a dead mouse.
So it's the Indian way to givea cross.
So you might say, tom, you'renot being politically correct
Indians.
The Indians have told me.
I've been with Anabajos andI've been with Moconox up in
Maine and with Minneapolis andthey say if we identify
(48:38):
differently we don't get ourfunding.
We have to stay because it'sthe Bureau of Indian Affairs,
it's the American IndianMovement.
Don't start calling us thatbecause we'll lose our funding.
Jackie Pelegrin (48:50):
So he might not agree with that.
Tommy Kilpatrick (48:52):
But they don't care what you call them, as
long as you have the rightintent.
So we actually had an Indianmedicine man hang out on our
farm there in Maine for manyyears and would teach us the
native ways and what the plantswould do.
And he taught us the one plantwas growing as a weed.
He says that's not a weed, itwill cure you of any kind of a
(49:18):
lung infection.
So we would purposely grow itand then we would dry it.
And then when the COVID camealong, at first my girlfriend
was going there's somethingweird happening over in that
town.
Now I didn't leave the farm 12times over six years.
I was going to die there, justbury me in the back.
We had 32 acres, everything waswonderful.
And so she said something'sgoing on in that town.
(49:40):
They're getting sick andthey're staying sick for several
weeks.
I'm not going there.
I said I agree, don't go there.
And then later we find out it'sthis thing called COVID.
And then they're talking aboutthis lung infection, pneumonia,
and then when we would start tocough for a little bit, we would
lay that on our wood stove andit would burn and fill the room
up a little bit of smoke, kindof like an incense call it
(50:02):
incense and we'd breathe it inand know lung infection.
So we actually had the antidoteto the COVID long back then.
And then we got to get yeah, wegot together at a party for the
medicine man because he wasstuck in Florida during the
lockdown and lockdown is aprison term, so we are prisoners
(50:23):
.
So he was there and then hecame back and we had a party to
welcome him back.
So I showed up one of the fewtimes.
I left the farm and I walkedand people were at distance and
I went what's going on here?
I put my hand to shake a guythat I had never met before.
I shouldn't have tried to shakehis hand.
He pulled his hand back.
I mean, what the hell is goingon here?
(50:44):
What's wrong with you people?
Oh, we've got to stay six feet.
Six feet, that's 72 inches.
How do you know this?
73, 71?
.
And then the medicine man's wifecame up and says you're a
Republican, you just want peopleto die.
I went what the hell is goingon here?
(51:05):
You've got the insanity virus.
Am I in some Outer Limits or aTwilight Zone episode?
Right?
And I go over to the medicineman and said can I shake your
hand?
He said sure, can I be thatclose to you?
He said, sure, I went yeah,we're normal, they're abnormal.
So right from back then I knewsomething was going on and I'm
(51:29):
here to actually help save theFilipino people.
79 million people have beenjabbed with that, what I believe
is a bio-terror weapon thatthey injected in people.
So I have the antidote, I takethe antidote, I use it.
I'm here to help the people.
So, yeah, no, I've got a biggercause above.
So that's what keeps me basedon my faith.
(51:49):
So if you're not with God,you're not with me, so I don't
have to be in touch with you.
If you're not with God, you'renot with me, so I don't have to
be in touch with you.
I don't have contact with you,I don't have a crossing, I don't
want to be involved with you.
Bye-bye.
Jackie Pelegrin (52:00):
Yeah, then I leave it open.
Tommy Kilpatrick (52:01):
You know they have a question.
Sure Question is what they wantInformation.
And I was asking back aquestion Were you created?
Yeah, Give me a definition ofcreate.
And then, all of a sudden, abeliever.
So now I'm going to be abeliever, Great.
Now what do we do?
We're here to help.
We're here to do something,make this life better.
So what can you do?
What are you good at?
(52:22):
So how can I get you to beindependent?
But not independent,interdependent.
So we need to be interdependenton everybody.
So it's just not wonderful.
Dependent on everybody.
So it's just not wonderful,because when you're independent,
you're alone.
And that's how I've felt formany years alone and not here.
I'm with family.
Now They've welcomed me in.
(52:42):
It's amazing to be in a countrywhere people smile and they're
happy, even though they don'thave it.
They can be peso poor, butthey're love rich.
And I ask every single FilipinoI can I say what makes you
happy?
And you know the consistentanswer is family.
They have family, they havetheir mother, they have their
(53:02):
grandmother, they go to work andthey pay part for their mother.
They pay part for theirfather's existence and funny
enough is, it's the law there'sactually a law here that
children have to take care oftheir parents that's amazing.
Jackie Pelegrin (53:18):
I wish they had that here in the united states.
Yeah, you know, yeah, we don'ttake, take good care of our
older people.
We don't take good care of ourmilitary when they come back
from war, and yeah, and thenthere's veterans on the street
right that are homeless andcommitting suicide because
they're not getting the carethey need.
Tommy Kilpatrick (53:35):
So it's yeah, it's really sad that we have
that, and that's part of mymedical clinic that I want to
come back to, the AmericanHealth Create, is that I have a
drug detox program.
That's it's a lockdown.
It's not a prison, but it's a.
You don't leave for 30 days andin 30 days I can clean the body
with our techniques, and then90 days to clear the mind.
(53:59):
So it takes a while to undoyour addictive mind.
So that's why I was initiallygoing to Argentina.
I was going to go to Argentinawith $7,000 to open up an
import-export business, to get apassport.
So I was going to buy a farmthere.
Well, with no money, don'tworry about it, it'll come.
God provides whatever I need.
(54:20):
So I need a farm.
So then I go back to Maine, talkto the judge and I say these
drug addicts are going to redoit, they're going to be recited,
they're going to be back to thesame old thing.
They're going to see them again.
I'll tell you what.
Give them a conditional pardonso they can get a passport and
they can leave, because they'rea convicted felon, just have
drugs.
They're not violent, they justthe Sackler family targeted that
(54:43):
area of Maine and they made $15billion selling their Oxycontin
.
They gave this end-of-life drug, this painkiller that's for
end-of-life, to children.
Jackie Pelegrin (54:57):
They are so evil.
Tommy Kilpatrick (54:57):
These people are Satanists Anything evil
Satanists.
So they did this to thatcommunity and devastated it,
just like they did to the areaof West Virginia.
So here I can take them with aconditional pardon to Argentina
on a farm to be with God'smother Nature.
They have to stay away from thecity, stay away from everything
(55:17):
human-made, and all they can dois be involved with God.
They can build their own house.
I'm going to teach some men howto be men and then they get
their life back together againand they can come back if they
want to.
They can stay there forever.
They get a passport in twoyears.
So their have to be changeddramatically and we take them
out of their toxic, drugaddicted community and be strong
(55:41):
again.
You don't have a new name.
That's really important,because they have to change
their name to be adifferentiation of what happened
just in the past and they aredoing now right.
Jackie Pelegrin (55:51):
So it's a, it's a.
It's a, like they say, when,when we become in Christ, we the
old passes away, right, webecome new.
And so, yeah, that's amazing.
And the old, yeah, the oldpasses away.
We're new identity in Christ.
So, yeah, I love that.
That's what it made me.
It made me think of that verse.
You know, when you, the oldgoes away, yeah, the old goes
(56:13):
away.
It's like when God says in theBible I'm going to take your
hardened heart and then I'mgoing to make a new heart, I'm
going to give you a new heart.
So I love that.
Tommy Kilpatrick (56:21):
It's amazing In.
Jackie Pelegrin (56:33):
Genesis the most powerful thing God gave.
Tommy Kilpatrick (56:36):
Adam and Eve.
The very first task that theywere to do was what Name all the
animals and and plants?
Name is power, name is control.
So if you are a drug addict, no, I'm an alcoholic, no, because
now you're identifying that.
Well, the former, no, what areyou now?
What is this now?
So now you pick a new name,pick a new uh purpose, and so
(56:58):
with that new name, you identifywith that now.
So you are in control.
So I'm going to be giving backthe power control to these
people who thought there wasnothing for them oh, that's
amazing, great.
Jackie Pelegrin (57:10):
So, as we, as we wrap this up, um, as you know
, a lot of my listeners are ineducation.
Some of them are going intoinstructional design or they
want to do some type of learningdevelopment where they help
others to be able to make theirlives better right, whether they
go into education or they gointo a certain trade or
(57:31):
something like that.
So what are a couple of tipsand advice that you can share
with those that are currently inthe master's program in
instructional design?
The courses I teach here atGrand Canyon University?
Tommy Kilpatrick (57:43):
I would.
I'm just learning the language.
So I thought if I go to a book,the book.
They already know how to speakthe language and they're going
to tell me that I have to learnall the syntax and the rules and
the grammar.
I don't want that.
I want to speak the language, Iwant to connect with people.
So I thought what would be thetwo most important words to
(58:05):
learn?
And God and love.
So I learned Dios and Palabrasand from there I developed my
language.
So I've actually written a book.
I've written a book on how tospeak Hili Gaino in 30 days, and
I did it.
Now I'm having it edited sothat I make sure the words are
Hili Gaino, because the computergave me the wrong words.
(58:26):
So I'm verifying that and thenI'll send that to my publisher
and they'll put the pictures in.
I'll make a new book and it'llbe ready on Amazon.
So what I would say to youraudience is you're approaching a
situation, a problem, and don'tjust automatically grab a book
and say, here, read the book andit's under 12.
(58:47):
How would you do it?
How would you want to be taughtand go oh, okay, I'm actually
much more of a.
I have to write things down andonce I write the word down, I
got to see it in my head.
When I close my eyes and I canspell the word backwards, I know
the word.
So when I close my eyes, I seethe word in my head, I can spell
(59:09):
it backwards.
I can spell it backwards, thenI know the word.
So that's what kind of startedme on this book.
So I kind of encourage youraudience to write your own book,
or encourage your students orpeople involved in it to write
the way they would want it to be, because they don't have to
follow someone else's direct.
(59:31):
They know all the material.
That's great, right?
How are you going to learn?
What's it make you?
Are you auditory learner?
Very few people are.
Lectures are worse.
It's easy for the personspeaking, but to be lectured to,
most people don't get it.
We're different learners.
We have different styles.
Sometimes you have to do it.
(59:51):
I use my hands all the time toreinforce my language, reinforce
my, my words, to reinforce mymemory.
Use other props, use somethingthat works for you.
So if you can pass that on tothe next generation, then
they're going to go.
Oh, I don't have to just acceptwhat's in the past.
I can write it Right.
Write your own book, becausenow you can put it on amazon in
(01:00:12):
31, in about three days it'spublished.
You upload it and within threedays anyone in the world can buy
your book.
So my filipina artist andhaving her draw because she'd
write draws every.
I've told her she'll draw everyday.
If you're an artist you gottadraw every day.
I don't care what it is, justdraw.
(01:00:33):
We're going to put 100 or 200of her drawings into a book and
I'm telling you, in 30 daysshe's going to show her mom.
Don't tell her now, but tellher mom that she's a published
author and she can type up hername, amazon and there's her
book.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:00:47):
Wow.
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:00:49):
So that can happen to your students, that
can happen to you.
I'm talking to you out there,so say focus on knowing what the
word means God loves you.
God means I give.
So focus on the giving and ifthey're not giving, keep them
out of your life.
You don't need them near you.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:01:07):
Yeah, yeah, Focus on the giving.
I love that.
Thank you, Tommy, for all yourwisdom and your insight, and you
know you've had such awonderful, colorful life.
You know, and as we all have,you know we have our ups and
downs, but it's how we finish.
This life is how, like you said, how are we making an impact on
(01:01:28):
others and how are we helpingthem to get closer to God?
Because I think, at the end ofthe day, as Christians, that's
what we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to bring as manypeople into the kingdom as we
can.
So that's, that's beautiful.
(01:01:49):
I love it.
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:01:50):
Great and look up the word spirit.
Go into the dictionary, look upspirit and see what it means.
And it means to breathe.
Isn't that funny?
God means breath, but we can'tlive without what?
Four minutes we can live.
How long without water?
How long can we live withoutfood?
But we can't live withoutbreathing for minutes.
So breathing is breathing,spirit back.
(01:02:13):
So when you feel you're losingtouch, just stop yourself and
breathe.
It's when we're holding on tothings.
We're holding on to thingsyou're not going to be able to
hold on and survive.
You've got to let it go.
You've got to be the breath.
As we were talking before, Iwas saying about how you spell
God.
We can't pronounce God becauseit has those letters Y, h.
They spell it many differentways, but you know what I'm
(01:02:37):
talking about Yahweh.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:02:37):
It's the breath .
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:02:38):
Just breathing .
That's the spelling of yourbreath, so breathe.
And that's why you can'tpronounce it, because how do you
pronounce yeah?
Exactly, go ahead, pronouncethat, yeah, you can't.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:02:53):
That's true.
Tommy Kilpatrick (01:02:55):
That's what God is so, when you're feeling
losing touch, stop and take abreath.
Jackie Pelegrin (01:03:00):
Love it.
Thank you so much, you'rewelcome.
Thank you, appreciate it.
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