Destiny Digest #114: 100 Guardians Talked to 1 Guy (feat. ⁨@LemonadeMP4⁩ )

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Hello and welcome everybody to Destiny digest #114.
My name's Dan Finity and I will be a host tonight.
We have our panel with our wonderful, wonderful hosts.
We have Tiddly. Hello.
We have Epic Dan. Hello.
We got Sammy Cat in the minds. How are you doing down there?

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It's rough, It's rough. It's rough.
It's what are you grinding for right now?
Just just any light, any power whatsoever.
I am -2 on helmet. We gotta get, we gotta get a
helmet. We gotta get a helmet.
We gotta get a helmet. We'll be checking in
occasionally to make sure that you get that helmet or in other
pieces throughout the episode. And we also have a special

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guest, Lemonade. Lemonade.
Welcome to the show. How are you?
I'm good. Hello.
How's it going? It's good to have you.
It's going well. A little bit before we get into
like what we've been doing this week, let's talk about
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All of this, all of this to say,how's how's everybody's week
going? What have you?
What have you guys been up to, Sammy?
Let's start with the. I I've been dealing with a
really bad lupus flare, but yeah, during the good times I've
been trying to power level in Destiny 2, the video game.

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Perfect. I got to get to 400 by Tuesday
and I'm at 310 right now, so oh.Boy, oh boy.
Sammy. You don't have to do that to
yourself. I do.
I do. No, you don't, Grandmaster.
Dungeon. Laers.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's something that

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we'll be talking about here in alittle bit.
But yeah, that's I I figured that that's something that's
something that's that is very important to you.
So maybe you do have to get 400.I'm so sorry, Sammy.
I'm so sorry. Godspeed you in in the mines
this week, Grey Fox. I'll let you know how it's
going. If it's any consolation, Grey

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Fox in chat says that they're 200 two 180 so.
Good luck, Grey Fox. Yeah, there you go.
Epic Dan. What about you, Sir?
Seen some Kronos in the I Knew Dawn and Silk song on on your
list here. How are you liking those?
Kronos was a really actually cool game.

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I don't know if people knew about it, but look, Desiree
Shout wanted me to play it so I checked it out.
Didn't really know much about itbeforehand, but it's a really
cool horror game, OK? Third person survival to me felt
like a really cool mixture between like Dead Space and the
Resident Evil series. OK.

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And it only took about 15 hours to beat and had some really cool
like cosmic abilities you can have in a horror game.
Was actually really unique, highly recommend it.
Heck yeah. And then obviously Silk Song,
which is that's really all I've done since is launched.
That so that announced. We've been we've been offline
for a couple weeks. That was announced, what, last

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week? Two weeks. 2 weeks ago.
Yeah, I thought it was going to be dropping and.
Like, well, the trailer. They announced it that Tuesday
that they were they, they announced that they were putting
out a trailer, which was OK, cool, we'll finally see a
trailer for it. And at the end of the trailer,
it also said it was going to come out with two weeks later.

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That is insane. So then my entire schedule just
got absolutely ruined. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, pretty. Much if anything was happening
after September 3rd isn't happening for me anymore.
And I'm about 40 hours in now and it's just, it's my game of
the year. I'm talking y'all can keep going
back and forth between Claire. But like, yeah, it's, it's, it's

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holiday now. Yeah, they dropped that out of
nowhere. And I know several games that
were like pitched to like release within the same.
Time frame. They all moved, so they all
moved. I've seen some people some
people calling this the GTA 6 ofIndies it kind.
Of is. What made it even worse is that

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we could pre-order it. So I play I'm playing on PC.
So when it when it released thispast Thursday at 9:00 AM, within
20 seconds of it being gone fromlike coming soon to purchase,

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Steam crashed. Wow.
I can put it in my cart for two hours, and after those two hours
I couldn't get through the I literally made sure that I
didn't need to have to put it inthe cart info.
I went ahead and bought Steam money.
So all I had to do was click purchase and it would instantly
pull up for my Steam wallet. Yeah.

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That's smart. Still took 45 minutes after that
for it to actually count and I kept getting errors and errors
and errors and then about by about noon, I was actually able
to like purchase slash slash download and then boot up and
it's, it's been worth it. I waited seven years.

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Yeah, I heard. I heard PlayStation Network went
down for a little bit. PlayStation went down, Xbox went
down, Humble Bundle was broken. I don't.
Know about switch I didn't really read a lot about.
I do know that there was one person who told me their friend
was purchasing on or trying to purchase on Steam and purchase

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on Switch. So I guess it technically
wouldn't work as well, but he was trying to purchase it just
wherever it was going to let himpurchase it.
So you start playing and a lot of people didn't expect it to be
this big. They thought it was a meme,
probably was. But like, there were people that
were mad that Steam was down because they were trying to

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purchase other games. Yeah.
And they couldn't purchase a single thing because of it.
And it was it's it's it's not a game for everyone.
But if you, if it is something that you like to play, it's
it's, it's been absolutely worthit.
OK so I I never played hollow Knight.
If I were to purchase Silk Song and just run through that I

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would I be missing anything or? That's the same thing, because
I've never liked. Yes and no.
You can. There's going to be a lot of
people who are going to play Silk Song because of the hype.
There's a lot of people who are going to play Silk Song because
I'm finally like, OK, I'll checkit out right.
From a story standpoint, from a intro standpoint, you can jump

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right into Silksong and be fine.OK.
The problem will be the skill ofplaying the style of gate.
OK. You're probably better off.
Yeah, I'm, I'm almost at the endof the game.
You're probably better off playing Hollow Night One or the
original Hollow Night because Silksong.
It doesn't play like a sequel. It plays like ADLC where it

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basically it's expecting you almost to know how to play and
fight and how to explore. It's also a Metroidvana, which
is going to cause issues. Yeah.
Because obviously you're going to find you're going to get
stuck to a wall and then realizein 20 hours, as you got in two
extra skills, now you can go back and keep exploring.
And then you're going to come across issues where you're

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confused, you don't know where to go, and it's going to force
you to explore, which is a part of what makes Hollow Night so
good and also what makes Metroidvania so good.
And I the, the closest game in the last couple years that I can
connect it to is Prince of Persia, The Lost Crown, OK,

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which was the last really great Metroidvania that made me like
feel like the genre deserved to get some more praise.
And I knew once Hollow Night came out, people were going to
like really dive into it. So I've, I personally been
telling people you should probably play Hollow night one
first because you probably should get a bit more experience

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before jumping into a very, verydifficult DLC.
Like they they toss you into thegame and the very first boss is
equivalent to some of the path of pain pantheon bosses in
Holiday one. OK.
Which obviously if you haven't played Holiday you wouldn't know
that those are basically in gamebosses.

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Like at the end of the game, once you have 40-50 hours of
experience and have all the skills, they basically are
taking that as a foundation of the beginning of OK, so it's,
it's a fantastic game, but I also have been taken aback
because I looked at it as like an expansion or a new title.

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They obviously once I once I read the article as well this
week, they basically said we were making ADLC and then about
a year or two until we decided to make a whole game instead.
So you got to treat it as a brand new DLC to a previous game
and not like a good, it's a goodjumping off point, but at the
same time it's not. So I'm kind of like maybe play

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the first one first. It's super cheap.
Yeah. And if you feel really
comfortable, then you can dive into Silk Song or you just right
into Silk Song and just get absolutely, that's what I'm.
Going to do and I'm so excited about it just.
Jump in and suffer I. Could not wait and then I'm
going. To the big thing is that you're

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not going to have any skills fora very long time, right?
Like unlike the first game has avery decent scaling of here's an
upgrade, OK, here's some skills,here's some upgrades, here's
some health, here's some better health, here's some better
skills. And you don't get rid of your
first upgrade until like 20-30 hours in depending on your how

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you export. So there's for me, an
experienced holiday player, there were times where I was
like, I feel underpowered. Right.
But that's also intended where you you don't have as much
damage output as you were expecting by this time in in the
story and like the exploration and it's going to force you to

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get good. And it's you're going to have
people struggle and complain. My chat will probably tell you
just people will say I've complained so much Yeah, about
this game and right to be a boss.
I'm like game of the year. This is the best game ever every
single time. And I it's, it's, it's funny
because like in the moment you're complaining because like,

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you feel like you should be doing better, right?
But once you learn the attack patterns and you aren't, there
are fights you have to be perfect on you.
You pretty much have to be perfect because you, you, that's
just you're going to have you'regoing to have fights where
there's so many things happeningthat your brain is like, I got

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to dodge this while also dodgingthis.
Well, I got a jump in my jump there.
I got to jump here. There was one spot on the screen
that you have to jump to to not get a hit.
And if if you get hit, if you fall on the boss, if you fall on
the enemy, you also take damage.You're also having the situation
that some people have complainedabout in Hollow night one.

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Most enemies hit you for one heart.
OK. You start with five hearts.
Most enemies, including bosses, will hit you with one heart.
Everything basically hits you for two hearts at base.
Wow. Which is a huge change, Yeah.
It's probably the main reason people are complaining so much
because you can go into a fight and the boss will hit you with

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three hearts, 2 hearts and before you know it since you
don't have any upgrades. Right, you're done.
You're basically dead. Like if it's been multiple times
I went into a fight and then within 5 seconds I'm dead.
I'm like, well, we're going to be here for 2 1/2 hours, but
then by the time you're done, you're like you you feel like a
Jedi because you're just moving around everything, not getting

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in. Yeah, yeah.
So. But it's what I.
Think some people if it's unforgiving and they're like, I
don't know what you mean, and then I'll go back and ask them
and they're like, I know what you mean now.
It's, I don't think it's unforgiving.
No, I think it's fair. I think the problem is in its
fairness, there are multiple times in the in the first game

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that you could almost steamroll and not have to care about
movement, placement and all thatkind of stuff.
A lot of these fights in the second game, you can't just
press X and just live through itbecause you have so much damage,
because you have so much staggerand because you have so much
health. It's very punishing for you,

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feeling like you can greet everything.
OK. It's going to force you to like
actually engage with fights in away where you respect every
single enemy that you come across.
And that's going to probably be the thing that I think people
feel is unforgiving. Because in most games, you feel
like, you know, 20-30 hours in, you should start feeling you can

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just kind of steamroll. And even then, like I'm about 45
hours in and there are any enemyI see, I can probably just die
in one or two hits. Sorry, there's a spider on my
monitor. Oh no, yeah, take care of.
That I would absolutely recommend the game and I've told
every single person with Axe. Is this game worth it?
Absolutely, but I'm also kind ofbiased.

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Horrible timing. Why did that go?
Oh no. But you should absolutely play a
family. Oh I'm totally going to when I
have time. I didn't play the first one,
never got back to it, but I lovethe Ori games.
Absolutely love them. Ori and the Blind Forest,

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basically same genre. It came out before Hollow Knight
did. That is a hard game.
That one's unforgiving, and it is fantastic.
Highly recommended. I feel like I.
Should play that because I have no comparison.
It's hard, it is hard and it is amazing.

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So I'm excited to try Silk Song because I've heard it's it's
ridiculously hard and I like pain, you know?
Yeah, you're you're you're somebody who likes a good
challenge. Sounds like that.
Sounds like Silk. Silk Song would be for you,
Tiddly. What about you?
Friend. Oh, go ahead.

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Did you have a let me? Do you have a comment?
I was just going to say I didn'tget the spider.
It's gone. So it's.
Just. I'm unhappy.
It's just. Somewhere.
So I'm ready. It really comes back.
You're ready. Yeah, do you have, do you have a
Reaganophobia? Yeah, OK.
Oh yeah. No.
And you can pick them that and Ihave a major problem.

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Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so.
Sorry. It's OK.
We'll, we'll move. In we'll see what happens it it
picked the right moment, didn't it?
Honestly, the moment we started.So it goes.
We'll. Figure.
It out tiddly? What about you friend?
What have you been playing? So actually mostly destiny this
week. Yeah, it's, it's been kind of a
weird week there. I had a a funeral to go to on

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Wednesday, which actually is also my wedding anniversary.
So it's been a really weird IRL week.
Congratulations. My condolences, yeah.
Right. It was kind of one of those
weeks. It's like, but at the same time,
and also it's kind of like, well, I appreciate, I appreciate
because of like, you know, one because the other for sure.
Yeah. So, so it's a little bit of a

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weird week, but like Heavy MetalI everyone is like, I hate it so
much. It sucks so bad.
And I'm like, this is the funnest mode that has ever
existed. I think I'm the only one who
loves it this much. No, no, no, no, my friend Trav.
I haven't played it yet. I.
Have that played out? I.
Think there's? Definitely one code to it.

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I am, I, I, I, I'm. I'm almost gilded.
I'd love it. It's so fun so.
Good. Are you replacing dragon with
heavy metal? Never, never.
OK, never. I do have one question for you
though. Yeah, Team Briggs or Team Tanks?
I like both. I like both for different.

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Reasons. You gotta say it's.
Really hard, but the mobility onthe bricks is really fun.
And also the little footprints. You got to go with the little
footprints. Because they're so I love.
Yeah, the little Brig footprintsare adorable, but you so I
played a lot of Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.
I I've heard that they like readjusted some things before,
like releasing this version of heavy metal so that the Briggs

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maybe weren't as overpowered as they had been in a previous
iteration. They definitely, I don't know.
I don't know, in terms of balance, I don't and I don't
ever go in there feeling like, oh, I know people are like, oh,
I wanted Briggs. Briggs are so much better.
I never I don't really feel thatway.
I'm like, oh, I like being tanked too and a break.
I don't know. I like it all.
It's great. It's so much fun.
I just go in there and a hoot and a holler and have a great

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time. But I'm still 26270 so I made
some improvements but but also. I now let's.
Go. I know, I know.
But I was playing heavy metal and I haven't gotten like
there's a really good struck on,there's a really good sword.
And I wasn't getting any good roles because I was getting Tier

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1, Tier 2 drops. And of course the higher tier
drops you get, the more perk combinations you get.
So if you are getting Tier 4, tier 5 drops, it's much more
likely for you to get the, the rules you want more quickly.
And so I had, I had like, you know, 10 hours into heavy metal
and I hadn't gotten anything andI was like, crap, I should
probably level. So then I stopped and I did some

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leveling this week to Yep. And then Dan and I did DND on
Friday and that was fun. We have Serial Pirate Adventure,
they were recording with Tall Tale Taverns.
That's really, really cool. So that was actually so much
fun. I always do that and then I I'm
like all amped because it's justlike fun hanging out with

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friends and playing pretend so. I keep wanting to like record
another episode immediately after that and just keep going
and. No, I know, I know.
That's that's because it's so much fun.
And yeah, I feel like one of my favorite episodes, like the
Christmas one that we did Dan with, that was one of my
favorite ones that we did just because the vibes were so good.
And like, you know, we were playing siblings in that one.

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And just like it's kind of like,well, we're we're friends that
are kind of have sibling vibes. So it's just worked out.
Really. Well, yes, yes and yeah.
Even in real life, we had we hadsibling vibes when we we had a
Gen. Con this year.
Oh, that's true. That's.
True when we met first at Gen. Con, but it was one of those
things I, I, I love these cons because it's like I go and I'm

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like, Oh my God, I feel like I've known you forever, Like
we've been friends forever. It's so, it's so great.
I think I said that to you when we met.
I was like, I feel like we've just been friends for a really
long time and it's like really natural and good.
So great. Yeah, man.
Yeah. Yeah, I'll, I'll get to mine and
then we'll talk. We'll, we'll, we'll get to
Lemonade and then do an interview with Lemonade here.

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Sounds great. I so the past, I haven't been
here for the past couple weeks, mainly because our at least last
week, I went to PAX W last week and it was a lot of fun.
I got to I got to check out Borderlands 4.
They had they had the booth there for like 15 minutes and
there was like there was a line wrapped around that for a little

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bit. I got to hang out with my friend
Sam Bartley. They're the this they used to be
ACM for, for Bungie, and now they're community manager for, I
forget their full title, but nowthey're they're a community
manager for Seattle Humane. So I got to hang out with them
and I got to hang out with a lotof kittens while I was there

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too. That was fun.
Kittens. Yeah, apparently three of the
kittens that were in the kitten cuddle puddle have been adopted
at this point. So it was, that was just great.
So congratulations to them. I have.
I played sort of the sea before going to PAX West, which was

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really fun. If you've, if I don't know if I
talked about this a couple weeksago or not, you did.
I did OK. You had, you had a lot of really
good things to say about it. Yeah.
We won't even talk about that. Then I will say that like the
day, the Monday after, so we hadrecorded that episode where I
talked about it. The Monday afterward, the dev
that came in to chat to like thank me for playing the game

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was laid off and they were the only one laid off from their
team. So that was that was a little
weird. I I've been playing a mobile
game on my phone and it started the Thursday of like before
packs. It's not destiny arising.

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It is a game called Acecraft, Acecraft Sky Hero, and it's got
like, it's got this, this Cuphead vibe to it with the
animation. Oh fine, that was a great game.
Yeah, you're playing and you're fighting all these like rubber
hose enemies. It's really fun.

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And I ended up getting a 'cause they happened to be at PAX West
and I was like, oh, hey, I've been playing this game like this
is this is cool. He's like, hey, if you get to
this level, I'll give you a little gotcha ball.
And I was like, oh, I'll take that gotcha ball all day.
So I like got to that level, gotthe little gotcha ball.
And it was like a lenticular fanthat they were giving out, which

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was very useful at the con because it was getting hot in
those spaces. That was, that was pretty cool.
PAX Wii, think I'm going to go back next year.
That was just a really, really cool experience.
Yeah. I want to go yeah.
Awesome. Dude, we.
Should you know after talking toyou, I was.
Like. And seeing other people's
pictures, I was just like, that seems like a good place to go.

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Yes, they had like a boulders gate 3.
Like Larian had a huge thing forboulders gate 3.
They had like cosplayers that were coming out and like you
could take pictures with the cosplayers.
You could take pictures with thestatues and everything.
Nintendo had like probably 2 huge booths where you could play
Kirby and Pokémon and and Hades and I think Silksong was a part

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of that too. Like there was just a lot that
was there. It was, it was fairly nuts as
far as, yeah, that's, that's been my couple weeks.
It was, it was really cool because you see, like you see
pictures and, and videos of it, but you don't really get the,
the size and scale of what the con is.

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And then you go there and it's, it's everything that you would
hoped it would be. They even had like they had a
they had an exhibit of all the old Nintendo Power covers or
like some of the Nintendo Power covers and the original artwork
and stuff. And so they had figurines that
they had taken pictures of for those the some letters that fans

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had sent in like in in position them around the layouts for the
for the post. It was really cool.
It was such a neat, such a neat time in lemonade.
Welcome to the show. Glad to have you.
Thank you. Nice to be here.
Yeah. What have you been playing this

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past week? Before we start tiddly, are you
drinking out of a shoe? Yes.
That is sick. I like.
That cowboy woo I have? It's only like 10 minutes ago.
Yeah, I have a redemption on my stream for channel points where
they can pick out a random mug. It has to, I can, I can veto it,
but they pick out a random mug and then I buy it and I use it

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on streams. I have a really odd mug
collection. Most amazing mug collection
I've. But this one is a boot, yeah?
Fair enough. As far as what as far as what
I've been like playing this week, I don't I don't I like you
you you were talking about hollow night before.

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Is that is that what you're saying Epic done like I that all
of that went right over my head.I have not touched silk song.
I have not touched hollow night anything like that.
I have just been solely like smashing destiny.
Like I told you guys a little bit earlier, I made affiliate on
Monday. So I've just been, you know,
giving streams, stuff like that and think about no, no, no,

(25:54):
what's it called? And like I said, I've just been,
you know, playing Destiny. I did do a route yesterday with
one of my pals. It's much easier than you'd
anticipate. So I'm going to try and go for a
duo flawless either tonight or tomorrow.
And then I'm going to do solo flawless at some point in the
future with a bit of luck. But other than that, I've just

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been like playing Destiny. I've been interviewing a couple
more people for my newest video and yeah, that's that's kind of
it really. I've just been busy, you know,
doing other things and stuff like that.
But as as far as gaming goes, yeah, just Destiny too.
Heck yeah. Haven't crushed Destiny Rising
actually, which is a bit I know.Yeah, you know.
All my friends are like, it's sogood.
You should play Destiny Rising. And I'm like, I'm 200 and like

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70. I've got.
How am I supposed to add anothergrinding game I've.
Got a whole other destiny I gotta get through.
If you think Destiny 2 is grindy, then yeah.
Destiny rising. I'm like I don't have have time
and then Borderlands coming out too, and I'm like I need to
Borderlands too. I'm like I'm I'm sorry, I'm
picking Borderlands over destinyrising.
No, that's fair If I find time, but you know.

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Yeah, you've already got. One best thing to take care of
so you. Know yeah, right.
I know we're going to take out of the you know, it's like it's
like you got you got like the wife and then you know, like you
got like I'm like, no, I don't have any room for any more
wives. Like I'm already committed
relationship with this scheme. Destiny rather than just
fishing, you know. Yeah, I always find it.
For life. Yeah, I always find it with

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Destiny, like, you know, everyone always says like, oh,
you're not playing any other games.
I'm like, no, I'm playing Destiny today all the time.
I'm like, yeah, all the time. Yeah, that's the game I play.
I don't have time for another one, you know.
Yeah, exactly. Fair enough.
Yeah. So what got you in the?
Dust don't sleep so. Yeah, I just don't sleep.
That's how I do it. So what?

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So what got you in a destiny? Who?
Me. Yeah, you.
You're the. Guest.
Oh, I've I've you and you. Yeah.
I just saw it as a general. Question but I've been playing
Destiny since The Dark Below. My parents got it for me on a
PlayStation 4 and you know, thenthey, you know, then they took

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the PlayStation 4 off me becauseI was playing too much Destiny.
So. So I've always been into destiny
in one I took a break during just just just as which queen
was starting. And then I came back at season
of Plunder, which is arguably one of the worst seasons to come
back to. But nonetheless, you know, I
really enjoyed it. And yeah, no, I've always just
been here into it. It's it's one of them where

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like, you know, my parents got it for me when it was on
PlayStation and I just haven't let go of it since All my
friends are playing it at high school or what is that middle
school for you guys either way. And then since then I have not
let it go. But so yeah, no, it's just it's
just been hell of a, you know, ahell of a ride to stick with,
you know what I mean? Even through all the ups and

(28:48):
downs and stuff. So.
Yeah, man. And you recently won Movie of
the Week for a project where youwere asking 100 Guardians what
they enjoyed about the game. Like, can you talk a little bit
more about that? I know, I know.
Some of us here on the panel were part of that too.
Yeah, Sammy. Sammy was on that.
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate going back.
I think you were like #65 or. Something.
Like that? Yeah, that was that was.

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You had so many people. The networking was fantastic.
I loved it. Look at it, everybody using my
GIF in the in the comments, for God's sake, what's it called?
Yeah, it was it was really, really nice.
I got to meet loads of new people, You know, chatting to so
many different people gave me like a great insight into like
granted that the game is kind oflike going through a bit of a

(29:31):
stint right now. Like it's, it's how do I, how do
I put this? Everyone still really loves the
game, You know, I mean, like everyone still, you know, loves
destiny. And even though it's going
through like all these issues right now, the reason why it's
getting so much like online criticism and stuff like that is
because people wanted to succeedand people wanted to do well.
I found that while it wasn't planned, the tweet that came out

(29:55):
that week, given that it was like, you know, I had so much
like negative stigma around it and stuff, You know, I found
that that was like the perfect time to upload that video
because what I was trying to do with that was just add like a
splash of positivity back into, you know, the community.
I feel like that with things like Twitter and, you know,
social media as a whole, you know, I've probably said this
like 10 times, but they, they tend to pedal the bad stuff, you

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know, because anger sells, you know, and, you know, I just
don't think that that's how it should be.
So, you know, just trying to, you know, add a bit of
positivity to it, you know, justremind people that this is what
people like about the game. And we shared it with Abby, you
know, Redhead Redemption. She said that she's, you know,
passed it around to devs internally and Bungie.

(30:37):
And, you know, because I becausethat was one of the main things
for, you know, it started off aslike a little projects, but over
time it kind of turned into a, Hey, devs, look what you've
made. This is what it can do, you
know, and, and I thought about like halfway through, like
that's kind of what I changed itto from What is your favorite
thing to do in Destiny to what is your favorite thing about
Destiny? And yeah, it just, it turned out

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to be really, really nice and I loved it.
And, you know, like I say, I'm making another one now, which
I'm not trying to be like negative, but I feel like
constructive criticism is in order as well.
So instead of going like, ah, what's your least favorite thing
about Destiny? The complete polar opposite of
it. I'm now making a video where it
is. What changes would you like to
see in Destiny 2? And I'm probably going to ask

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between 50 to 100 this time, which is still going to be a
chunk. But yeah, no, you know, I'm
still optimistic about it, you know, And I want to, you know,
like, like I said, I'm trying not to be negative about it
because I don't like to pedal that stuff, you know what I
mean? So I just kind of want it to be,
you know, good. And I don't know, like, yeah,

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just just, you know, what? People want to see changes as
opposed to what they inherently dislike, you know?
I mean, there's room for constructive criticism.
There's room, there's room for, there's, there's also room for,
for positivity in sharing all ofthe gamut of human emotions
about the game. You know, like, yeah, it's, it
was, it was cool to see that youwon.

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You won movie of the week with that.
That's not what I was going for,though.
I wasn't going for that. I I think that's.
Just a. Very on top type of situation,
right? Like that's that's yeah, I don't
think anybody really expects it when they get that kind of
thing. It just kind of happens and like
they're able to that it's just alittle feather in your cap kind
of deal. So what?

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What is your favorite thing to do in Destiny?
Yeah, or a favorite thing about Destiny?
Well, yeah. OK, so my favorite thing, I'll
give you 2 answers. So my favorite thing about I'm
sorry to do in Destiny, it has to be raiding with, you know, my
friends and stuff like that. You know, maybe, you know,
carrying, you know, I do like doing that and you know,
bringing people who haven't donethe raid through it, you know,

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getting to have them experience it for the first time and stuff
like that. But nothing beats like a raid
with your friends where there's no expectations.
Everyone knows what they're doing.
You can sort of go into it, justsmash it out, have a good time,
have a couple laughs, something goes wrong and you all laugh
about as opposed to who effed up, you know what I mean?
Like none of that, you know, stuff like that.
I love it. As far as my favorite thing
about Destiny. And I actually made a tweet on

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this a couple days after becausemy pal Gizmoed, you know,
tweeted the same. But what's your favorite thing
about Destiny? He said, I tweeted back and I
basically just said, like, firstof all, it was weird getting
asked that given that I, you know, had the same script over
and over again saying to people like, you know, this is what I
want from you. You know, what is your favorite
thing about it? But I think my favorite thing
about Destiny, it has to be the community, you know, like every,

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you know, would like, you know, your podcast now and everyone
making all these different projects and, you know, just
just everyone coming together tomake, you know, one thing, you
know, kind of just reignited that flame that I was kind of
losing, given that everything that's like, you know, going on
in the game, I was sort of like dropping off, but it was, you
know, it was fading away and, you know, back with a passion,

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you know what I mean? Like, honestly, I love the
community. I love everything that it stands
for. And like I say, even though the
social media pedals the negative, you know, you got to
remember that there's still so many positive people.
And I, I love that about the game, Like it's a community like
no other, you know what I mean? Like there's there are not that
many communities who can raise or sorry, gaming communities
that can raise like, you know, millions of dollars like us for,

(34:14):
for, you know, for charity. Like that's just fantastic what
the game can do that I've never really heard of one.
Yeah. I just, I love that about the
comedian. I think it's fantastic.
So that is definitely my favorite thing about the game.
Cool, cool. Through that project, what did
you find to be the most common answer that people enjoyed

(34:34):
about? I didn't, I didn't ever put like
a limit on what people could say.
Like obviously I said what I expect from you is a 30 to 62nd
like window. People were talking about like,
you know, what they enjoy doing.I think some people just said I
like doing Portal. People like saying I'd like to
do Raise. But a lot of people said I think

(34:55):
the top three most common ones were trials carries, which was a
shocker to be honest with you. I wasn't quite expecting that
one fundraising for Bungie because, you know, like a lot of
people who were interested in doing it were fundraisers.
And then also the big one was community.
Everyone seemed to love the community.
And even though you get a coupleof bad apples because in in any

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gaming community, you always will do, you know, with this
whole unbanned button, which I personally don't believe exists,
but with, you know, with all the, you know, there, there is
always going to be a couple of bad apples in the community.
But there are so many good ones.You just sort of have to find
them. And I think everyone was just
saying like, yeah, I love the community.
I love what it stands for and I'm blessed to be a part of it.
And that's, you know, exactly how I feel with it as well.

(35:38):
I think everyone shares like a very similar mindset if you're
big into destiny. And yeah, I think that was like
the most common answer that I got.
That's excellent, man. Yeah, you said this next video
is is about constructive criticism, talking about
improvements to the game. Where in this Edge of Fate world
of Destiny 2, what do you see? What would you like to see

(36:02):
improved in the game? I think given that I've not
played it, I have heard the Destiny rising.
I know that it's in it's early phases, but I know that they do
like a like AI think it's like asurvey.
Is it every week? Am I right in thinking that?
There's been 3 surveys so far I've taken.
Yeah, so I'm not trying to like bad mouth anybody here, but

(36:23):
like, you know, we've got all these community managers, but I
don't feel like there's a DirectLine of feedback that goes
straight from, you know, the player base to the devs.
I think that that could be something that would be really
beneficial. So that's what I would like to
say. I'd like there to be something
like a survey every week where it's conducted, where it's like,
hey, we've made these changes. Are they OK?

(36:43):
You know, like what, what do youthink about them?
Because you can make these changes and then everyone kicks
off on social media and there's all these like negative stigma
around it and it's like, whoa, hang on, we need to dial this
back. Let's, you know, do something
different and revert the changes, but everyone's like,
oh, why did you revert the changes?
Why did you make them in the first place?
It's like if we had that, you know, how is it looking type of
thing? Pardon me, if we had like a,

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how's that looking type of thing, you know, with like a
survey, you know, we made this change.
How is everyone enjoying it? I think that would be fantastic.
I think that would definitely benefit the game because then
the play base would feel heard and but you would know which
direction to take the game. In my opinion that I'm not sure
if that's a controversial one ornot, but nonetheless.
You know, I feel like that's fair.

(37:26):
Like, yeah, I guess I guess withthat we can transition into
Destiny rising. How's how has everybody been
enjoying that? I've.
Been such a sense. I feel like I might be the only
one who's actually played it. Yeah, I, I already.
Said I haven't played it yet. I I play I.

(37:47):
Have a lot of opinions. I played like the first mission
there, but then again, it was onlike on my phone.
I know a lot of people are playing it on through emulators
and everything. I found the my experience with
it was like rough because the controls, the controls on phone,

(38:07):
we're not we're not the best. I've heard with a backbone and
with through the emulator it's fine.
But yeah, I've I have my other qualms with it that will
probably keep me from playing the rest of it.
But yeah, what did, what did youthink?
Epic 10. I think I've probably put about

(38:30):
50 or 60 hours in Destiny Risingand I think the, the I've
played, I've played the alpha beta on phone because I wanted
to see originally the initial target audience, how they were
going to play it. My, the initial thought months

(38:52):
ago was that it was one like the, I think like first couple
of missions you can play back then, at least the ones I played
and I was like, OK, it's cool. It's, it's on a phone.
I think Destiny is a bit too complex.
The universe and the the abilities, the, the, the, the

(39:16):
the way you move in a third person Destiny.
They they're they do a pretty solid job.
But there's a lot of informationon that small of a screen,
right? And there's a lot of things,
especially if you get into like the PvP, if you get into the the
raid that they have, which I've done at all.

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I've said most of the times, I don't know how people get a full
experience of rising just through phones.
You're right. I've had a lot of people in my
community that play specificallyon phone and they're like, I
play with this, I play with that.
There are people that have said they play with a tablet, with a

(39:59):
controller, they play with a backbone or some like external
force or force external way of playing.
Input. Yeah, input and it plays fine.
So I don't want to say that as adrawback since it seems most
people aren't playing just with their fingers on the phone,
they're playing with some other input.

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And I and I don't play with the controller really in these kind
of games, so I can't really givea pain on that.
But everyone says that I've talked to that plays the
controller on phone, it runs fine.
OK. I am playing it on a emulator
and unless you knew Destiny Horizon wasn't on Steam or Epic

(40:42):
Games or on a more first party PC launcher you would not be
able to tell that I was playing a mobile game.
It is absolutely insane how wellit runs and feels like I'm
playing APC game. Barring the at times the quality

(41:03):
of the graphics, you can just tell they're just low Poly.
Yeah, 30. FPS but like yeah, well, not,
not 30, it's just I'm running itat 1440 P 120.
It never really. Drives the graphics.
But the the graphics are really good, but there's just stuff you
can just tell. It's like, I understand this
can't be as high quality as I would like it to be because it's

(41:23):
not technically meant to be played this way.
And it also has to be random, like some random Snapdragon
Android phone that probably somebody's going to play it on.
I get that. But also like graphics don't
really engage me in the way thatlike it's going to be make or
break. What does make or break it is

(41:43):
the overall experience of Destiny rising.
And unfortunately, I think the experience is really, really
good. It's one of to cause issues, but
I'm also a comic reader. When you have a mainline comic
and then you have a what is called a elsewhere comic, it
doesn't really bother me becauseI'm used to that where like, OK,

(42:06):
I have the main story and then Ihave a alternate story that is
obviously going to take some inspiration from certain
situations but also do its own thing.
For example, the the chunk of the story has to do with the
Iron Lords has to do with Saladin, Rattagas, Scory, and in

(42:29):
in Destiny's main Canon, we knowwhat we know about them in very
specific reasons. We've never seen them interact
outside of like some of the riseof Iron stuff.
So they're using that as their foundation.
Obviously it's a prequel, but I'm personally not as Oh my

(42:50):
lore, my lore like some people are, but I'm used to other media
using, you know, you know, doingthis.
I'm I'm it doesn't bother me as much because I understand it's
not the main cannon. You know if anyone's watched a
Marvel game? A Marvel.
Oh yeah, Marvel. Last 12 years, you know you have
what they're talking. About like multiverses, right?

(43:10):
I mean. Literally.
Pretty much. Part part of.
That Marvel taken as like this is just alternate stuff.
Like in the 1st 10 minutes of one of the first cutscenes you
have, you have Rattagas with a Ahamkar dragon as a pet that's
talking to you. And as a Destiny fan, you're
like, what the heck is going on?You know, what is this in the,

(43:30):
in the in, in all this happening?
But like, I'm like, OK, this is hilarious.
Cool. I don't really it doesn't bother
me in that sense. But I feel personally as of
right now, Destiny 2 is not a AMMO.
Obviously it's not meant to be MMO.
For a while they tried to make it MMO.

(43:51):
It is absolutely an MMO in Destiny Rising and that's going
to unfortunately draw a fairly decent audience that I've I
personally feel will cause issues down the line because
whether they want it or not. Rising or destiny?
Yes too. For Destiny Rising and also for

(44:13):
Destiny too. The only reason I personally
think Destiny Rising isn't as big as it could be is because it
can't be ran traditionally on PCand it can't be played on
console, Which obviously Bungie probably had some sort of like,
I'm not going to assume, but they had like some sort of thing
like you can license our product, but you cannot launch
this game on console. If you could, I personally think

(44:36):
this game would be probably a bigger deal than it is now.
It has a lot of things which you've probably heard about that
the main Destiny 2 game could really use.
Yeah, I think it has like something like it has clan
housing. It has what are some of the

(44:59):
other like I hear the quality oflife adjustments are solid like
that. Those are the.
One I mentioned most is the onboarding.
Yeah, we've talked years about how can Destiny onboard.
Destiny rises. Onboarding is next level.
I can guarantee you there's not a single thing they don't

(45:19):
explain and put you in an environment to learn how all of
these things happen to where if you want to engage with the game
in a deeper level, you don't need a single third party app or
whatever to do it. For example, when you first
start, they put you into a training ground, which is in

(45:40):
your client house, where basically they say here's how to
jump, which obviously is very simple.
But here's how to jump, here's how to shoot, here's what each
skill does for this character. Here's how much percentage each
thing is going to do, and then you can amplify it with other
mods and all this stuff. It basically lays down almost to

(46:04):
and explain like I'm five level of your entire kit of an entire
class, why stuff happens when stuff happens, how you trigger
stuff happens. They give you numbers for like
every single thing, which if youuse things like light dot GG,

(46:25):
the two foundry and some of the other ones where you know, we'll
use even them to like find out what does rampage do?
What does Last Stand do? Obviously the community does a
really good job for that, but I've always personally felt that
like the community shouldn't have to tell me, you know, what
stuff does. Yeah, and the community is great

(46:47):
with that. But the, the the game should be
able to allow a player to not have to have third party apps in
order to enjoy it in its entirety.
And Destiny Rising does that. Obviously you have, we have a
really in depth fishing system, which is a MMO staple.

(47:08):
We have scenes that are want to allow you to really engage with
it on a level that like I'm verysurprised with like it would
never replace Destiny 2, but I could see if someone was had
their foot out the door on D2D Rising is a very solid
replacement. The only thing that it'll
probably never do to the same level, and this is from someone

(47:32):
with about 22,000 hours in Destiny.
So I know some people say that and think he doesn't have a lot
of experience. And I am saying this as AD one
player with 22,000 hours in Destiny 2 and Destiny one
combined. That D Rising does a lot of
really good things for a very specific audience that will

(47:53):
definitely, hopefully long term be good for them.
And I could definitely see in the future a branching, which
we've already kind of seen a branching of communities.
I've met a lot of people in Destiny Rising who don't play
Destiny 2 at all, right? And that's just kind of their
game now. Surprising to me actually, this

(48:15):
is. Pretty interesting.
There's a lot. I'm, I had some people join my
community a few weeks ago who were, you know, world's first
Raiders in that community. OK.
Like they, they, they don't playDestiny too.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Like they're like top Raiders in

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Destiny. Rising.
Rising and they just talked about how like, this game just
fits them better than it would Destiny.
But they're also playing throughan emulator.
They just, you know. Just yeah, I was going to ask if
the top readers are playing on their mobile phones.
Yeah. Yeah.
So it's a raid. I don't personally think the
raid will ever compare to Destiny raids.

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They just can't be as complex because of their core audience.
Sure, like that alone will neverget me to switch personally, but
I could see a lot of people justhaving two destinies that they
just main, main Destiny 2 when there's a lot of content going
on and then when the content slows down, then you have a lot
of content in rising you can just keep going on.

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I personally think it's really good.
I also think it has a lot of issues.
Obviously the gotcha systems arethere.
I'm not using single cent though.
What? What does that mean?
Because I actually I'm completely like naive to all of
that, like what actually is a? Just systems basically are meant

(49:40):
for you to sooner or later spendmoney to get the best version of
what you were trying to do. It's like a lottery system
almost. It's basically a lottery system
where you spend a bunch of moneyand hope and pray the next pool
is going to be what you're looking for, whether it be a
character, whether it be gear, whether it be whatever currency

(50:01):
they have in that game. They're also the thing called
pinnacle energy, where in order to do certain activities, you
can't just spam them. You have to spend 10 to 15
energy per day. And once you're out of energy,
you just can't access that content anymore.
But as well see. Right, OK, I'm OK, I'm.

(50:23):
So there's some systems that arein there that are like, Dang
man, I I really like to spend personally like 15 hours
grinding this if I want to, sure.
But like having a cap really sucks.
Yeah, the and they're probably not going to get rid of that
because that is something that has been.
That's something that is you're going to expect that when you

(50:43):
play Rising. Or any mobile?
Games. What type of like any?
What type of things do they do that?
That's one thing that I'm not against Destiny Rising.
I'm not. I'm not a hater against it.
But the fact that one thing I ama hater about is people coming
in and saying that is going to kill Destiny and people don't

(51:05):
seem to realize. First, most people don't seem to
realize that it is not a bungee game.
It's a. 90s game. I do think that's a problem.
I've said that most. I think that's a huge problem
that people don't realize that. Another thing is, is that it is
a new and shiny game and it is built specifically to earn or to

(51:25):
bring in money. It is specifically designed to
bring in money. It is not designed to be just a
game like Destiny 2. It's not designed to be just a
regular MMO. It is designed to bring in money
for net ease. That is what they do.
I will say I've not spent a single penny yet.

(51:46):
But that's how it is at the beginning of every single time.
Personally waiting to see like what the long term will be, but
like it's it's also silly of me to speak on a game that's going
to be a totally different game in a month.
So like everything I say is in the current state of the game.
Like sure, it might in a in a year, you might not be able to

(52:08):
do a single thing without paying100 bucks a pool, right?
But like, as of right now, not spend a single penny and I've
earned everything I want to and I, and maybe I'll come back in a
month saying, man, I couldn't doa thing.
And then I can get all the characters or whatever, right?

(52:29):
But who knows? I also knew that going in that
there was a very big chance sooner or later I'll probably
just drop it because of like, it, it gets to the point where I
can't just play and I then got some money.
If it ever comes to that, then I'll stop.
Yeah, but until then, it has a lot of the systems, me that I
personally like from Mmos. It still gives me that Destiny

(52:53):
feeling. Yeah.
And it has, unfortunately, it has a lot of systems that I wish
was in main Destiny. Yeah, it just does.
And I'm sure that they heard what Destiny players want.
I mean it would be totally dumb to not go off of the feedback of
the desk. I think that's a problem as well

(53:13):
because I've seen a lot of people, I've made multiple posts
on TikTok and it's I hate reading my TikTok right now with
Destiny content. Yeah, because I'm putting up
Destiny Rising stuff because it's going to do well right now,
right? But I'm also putting up Destiny
2 stuff. And one thing I've known is
going through all my comments, it is most people don't know
Destiny Rising isn't made by Bungie, right?

(53:36):
And a lot of people were like, man, why didn't they do this
cool thing in Destiny 2? And I and myself or other people
are like, it's not made by Bungie, not made by Bungie.
It's not made by Bungie. And it's it's a problem because
sooner or later it's going to cause an issue for Bungie
whether they want it or not. Because you gotta have a product

(53:58):
out here that people don't know isn't, you know, Destiny is just
Destiny is Bungie. If they had called it anything
else, this wouldn't be an issue.They couldn't they?
Just called it Rising, though they couldn't know.
Yeah, you know, I. Think one of the things that
I've found from like an outsiderperspective who hasn't played

(54:19):
Destiny Rising is, yeah, I, I, Ipersonally haven't come across
anybody who thinks that it isn'tmade by Bungie.
Like I think everyone knows, at least in my experience, that it
is net ease. But if someone was to go like,
oh, this isn't made by, but well, then what the hell,
because it does everything rightthat Destiny isn't doing.
You know what I mean? I think like that's, that's one
of the main things I've heard apart from like everyone going,

(54:39):
oh, fishing is great. You know, one of the main things
that I've heard is why why aren't that?
Why isn't Destiny 2 doing this stuff?
You know why? Why isn't Bungie doing anything
about it? And then when you realize it's
not made by Bungie, all of a sudden, you know.
Yeah, but you're gonna have the people that basically saying
that they don't. It's not that they don't, them

(55:02):
knowing or not knowing that it'snot made by Bungie will not
change their feelings on it because a lot of people want
these features especially. It's like SRL in that game.
They have a whole fleshed out ability system for fishing, they
have a whole like skill thing for the card game they have with
the Drifter. They have a lot of systems that

(55:26):
I guarantee if those were in Destiny two would bang.
But they also are meant for you to almost never not play which
is a type of play style Destiny 2 hasn't really wanted to do in
a few years at the very least. Like they have a thing where you
can do a dispatch of your team where basically you send a

(55:49):
couple characters that you have off to do a 2/2 hour mission
just AFK. And when they come back, they
can give you a lot of materials,random mythic weapons and random
exotic weapons. And it's, it sounds weird, but
it's just more systems for you to just always want to be

(56:10):
playing that game where you log in and it is always something
for you to do. And even when you're not
playing, there's something for you to be passively earning
towards playing, which is a MMO traditional thing.
But you have a lot of players who want to play Destiny 2 at

(56:30):
all times but can't because there's not enough stuff to
satisfy that player, if that makes sense, right?
It's a totally different marketing scheme.
There's something about it though that like.
So I made a post about this thisweek and I misspoken in the
original post and I took it downbut the there's something to me.

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There are AI generated assets inthis in Destiny Rising like.
Some voices that I just. Yeah, some.
People talking about that, Yeah.So there's that.
There's also artwork like there's.
That's what I've heard as well. Murals and everything.
There was a video that I that I posted alongside like the like.
I apologize for for miss for spreading this information and

(57:16):
for misspeaking, but the the core of the matter still remains
the same that like they're stillusing AI generated artwork where
like with marathon, we were, we were clutching our pearls and
crucifying them for stealing oneperson's piece of art.
With this where nobody's going after Nettie's for stealing who

(57:38):
knows how many people's art, right?
Like if, if it all got fed into the generation machine, it's
still borrowing from all these different styles and all these
different people to create pieces that aren't anything
right? And I, I understand that like it
might be something that you justpassed by, something that is

(57:59):
you're not necessarily going to like sit down and pay attention
to because it's not a detail driven game, but it's something
that will keep me away from it entire.
That's understandable. Yeah.
I haven't seen any of the art, but like you said, it's like if
it's somewhere I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have even known.
I will say the voices, all of the main cast, all the main

(58:21):
characters are voiced by actual people, right.
It's it's funny because you haveall these random male soldier,
one female soldier 2 right that they have in the game and every
single one of them. You're like, this is AI.
This is absolutely AI. It's just a weird like
difference in like the quality of voice acting too.

(58:44):
Because. Although all of the main cast,
all of the Iron Lords you play as a character called Wolf the
Ghost, all of them are actually done very well from a writing
standpoint. Yeah, So it's very odd that they
they chose to go the route of just anyone, not the main cast,
you know, just all these random characters.

(59:08):
Just let them be AI. It's just very odd because they
did actually a really good job. Yeah, writing very unique
characters like Saladin is just really good in his.
Name There's also something that's different between
generative AI versus like. So the AI voices have probably
had, they probably had actors and actresses come in and

(59:29):
generate like use their voice. They probably got paid for it
and probably handsomely to use it in perpetuity, Right.
That's just something. Yeah.
And we've had those voices forever.
I mean even like for streaming, like if you have, if you have it
so that it does text to speech, you're going to have an AI voice

(59:52):
say reading out the. The words that have you right.
So like, but that's not generative, right?
The so that was like work that was probably paid for.
Down the line and and licensed out and that's why they use
those voices because it's probably cheaper than hiring an
an actual voice actor to to do the work with generative AI when
it comes to art, when it comes to video, when it comes to

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anything. All of that is and I'm not
talking about like enemy AI either.
I'm talking about just generative AI where you're
pulling from a huge resource of,of images scraped from the
Internet, images, text scraped from from social media and
everything. That's what I'm most upset
about. And I think I know, I know some

(01:00:37):
people don't care. And that's, you know, like to
each their own. It's just what's going to keep
me from playing that game and probably keep me from from
promoting that game. Yeah, I think like one of the
things that I find in especiallythe Destiny community as well
and through my own experience isthe line between AI like, you
know, like let's call it a voicechanger like AI and then

(01:00:59):
generative AI. The line between that is so
blurry. I'm not like trying to self
promo hair or anything, but likewhen I made my first like music
videos and stuff because I make them one of my pals who I'm at
university, we, you know, we make music videos and stuff and
we do them as like Destiny characters.
So we've done 2 for Saint 14, one for Shacks and then one for
Clovis Spray. And throughout all of those

(01:01:22):
processes, what we did was we had, we wrote the lyrics
ourselves and then we had my mate rap into FL studio and then
put a bunch of filters on it andthen put it through an AI voice
model to make it sound like the character.
And when we first uploaded, I think it was Saint Shady, we got
like a lot of backlash. And then even you know if one of

(01:01:42):
the community managers comes on.And he's going on, Yeah, yeah,
yeah. It was like a lot of backlash.
But yeah, it got like almost like, I don't want to say
backlash, but it got like a lot of disapproval because everyone
was going, oh, this is generative AI.
And I was like. I remember being.
Told I I don't think it was AI though, because like it's a you

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know we he did all the work he actually wrapped in a Russian
accent, which is hard, you know,and I feel like that isn't like
generative AI. I don't know what the rules are
for movie The week, but that's not what I'm talking about.
I think with AI and generative AI think there's a big
difference. And I think like, I'm not saying
like, oh, educate yourself, but like, I feel like for that type
of thing, you know, generative AI is almost bad because you

(01:02:26):
know, like if you, you know, reenacting some sorry, if you're
putting something through generative AI to like try and
sound like something else to, you know, that can be
detrimental to like, you know, bungee or something like that.
But then if you're just like, you know, reenacting it and then
putting it through a model whereyou sound like it and you know,
stuff like that, I don't think that's like a problem.
I honestly wouldn't even consider that AII consider like
a voice changer and stuff. So with people saying like Gen.

(01:02:49):
AI in the chat right now, I don't know if that are they
using generative AI to form these sentences or are they
like, are they using voice models that they made
themselves? Because I, I feel like there's
like a, a different line that you know what I mean?
I don't know if you'll ever really know unless they come out
and say it. Yeah, that could be wrong, you
know. Yeah, in, in my, in my opinion,

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generative AI art, AI art is notart.
It's just, it's it's prompts andit doesn't, no human hand
touched it except for the the the artist that it was scraped
from and it just, it comes off as a slop to me and it's not.
Is that what that means? It's like taken from a separate

(01:03:35):
source? Is that what you?
Allege Yeah, yeah, it's scraped from the Internet.
I'm writing a class on this right now.
That's how that's like why I know a lot about it is that it's
you're scraping it from all different kinds of sources.
You can train an AI model specifically on an art style.
If you watch Corridor Crew, theyso they did a video called Anime

(01:04:01):
Rock Paper, Scissors. The very first one that they did
and they trained it on an anime that they didn't, they didn't
design or anything. It was just like, hey, we like
this art style. We're going to use that as a
filter over some live performance that we're doing.
We're also going to, but we're also going to create 3D models
around the thing. They ripped off that art style

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and they scraped it from a specific anime with they got a
lot of backlash. And with the second one, what
they did was they actually hiredan artist and had him draw
thousands of drawings and trained an AI model on just
those pieces of work and made the sequel out of that.

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The first bit I do not see as asreally all that artistic.
The second bit they paid an artist.
There was a human touch, there was intent.
The filters, like the the way that they melded the the
textures in with everything elsespoke much more to a complete

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piece than just some random generated slot.
Like with with AI, you do have like hallucination.
That's primarily like what it is.
It's just like just a cloud trying to like figure out shapes
and colors and everything. But it's yeah, it's something

(01:05:29):
that like we're going to see more of it in games.
I'm just like not a fan of it. I.
Don't know I'm not going to do this is like a definitely a
slippery slope. Yeah.
Everyone has their breaking point, I personally feel, and
it's going to be interesting. Like imagine GTA6 doing it.
Oh yeah. Which is is a very big chance in
a year and a half. You know, it's, it's a

(01:05:53):
unfortunate situation because everyone's going to have their
own breaking point. And obviously some of it, it'll
probably slide under the rug forpeople, but it's definitely a,
you know, yeah. I mean like the it's been
generally like accepted as slop.That is something that makes me

(01:06:15):
laugh. Like everyone like you you, you
see something that's AI Gen. it's like.
Slop, I would say it's not as much as we as a lot of people
want. Like look at chat beat chat
GGPGPGPT Yeah GPT. Like.
Every everyone uses, you know, alot of people use it and they.
Never. Use that you know it's.
Like I don't even know what it is, how to get to it.

(01:06:35):
Yeah, if it's not your bag, it'snot your bag.
Yeah, you know. So it's, it's one of those
things where like me personally not going to, not even going to
mess with it because I, yeah, I saw that bit and I was like,
yeah, I'm done. Like and like seeing, seeing the
community be like this game's really good, but not go after

(01:06:58):
that same thing. Was that it does seem a little
hypocritical, Dan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's kind of like it's a different company.
So yeah, it's. A different company.
It's like the. Standards, right?
It's. Fine.
It's fine if they use it cuz they're from China.
It's different. It's different.
OK, whatever you have to tell yourself.
Yeah, it does. What it does seems to seem a

(01:07:20):
little bit like rationalization.Yeah.
Especially at the same time, most people pick and choose.
Unfortunately they just, yeah, they want to attack.
It's like. Human.
Beings are weird. Nettie's is not the only one,
yeah. In the game and you should do
more like what Nettie's does, but not that.
Yeah, right, it does. Seem very not.
That one thing. That one specific thing, Yeah.

(01:07:45):
Anyways, good combo, good combo.AI is always going to make
people like have difference of opinions and stuff, you know
what I mean? Like, I feel like it is what you
define it as. And, you know, if you've got a
problem with that, then fair enough.
You don't have to worry about itif somebody else has a problem
with, you know, oh, so if somebody else doesn't, then, you
know, fair enough. Each to their own.
I just feel like if you consider, consider it as

(01:08:07):
something that you, you know, you're not interested in, then
don't worry about it, you know? So yeah, yeah, I'm not for it.
Ethically, as long as it's ethically applied, I think that
yeah, yeah, my, my, my qualms with AI is when it it is not
ethically applied. And I think that there's,
there's, there's a lot of. Potential, yeah, you could

(01:08:29):
definitely argue that that pointthat no AI is.
Ethical AI is yeah, yeah, it's tough, yeah, you know.
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
It is tough. They talk about how like all of
the the the what is it the the server rooms corroding all the
water. Right, right.
I mean, certainly, certainly there's evidence that it's not
good for the planet, which is atbase.

(01:08:49):
But I mean, I think, I think it's kind of like levels after
that, right? There's a huge thing like that's
going on in my hometown in Indianapolis, like they're
trying to put a data center on the South side of the town.
Dude, they're trying to put one here in Bama too.
People do not want it because because of the effects to the
environment, because of how how it will affect your your bill.

(01:09:12):
Yeah, there's just there's so many negatives to it that it's
like, why, why, why would you doit?
But anyways, moving on. More video games.
More. Video games.
Yeah, more video games we got. We got ourselves a little bit of

(01:09:33):
a sandbox update here. Yeah, we did.
Hold on, I just want to address that real quick, Gray Fox says.
But more jobs, Dan. Like it's 30 jobs.
It's 30 jobs that they're talking about creating.
It's. They're destroying a bunch of
force here to put this data center up.
Yeah, dumb as fuck. All right, Sandbox tuning

(01:09:57):
preview for Ash and Iron we have.
We have a lot of changes coming with this.
Ashton Iron is almost upon us, and we'll be returning to the
Plague Lands very soon. Our sandbox team has been
prepping A lengthy list of changes coming, with our first
major update available to all players, which focuses on
weapons, perks, exotic armor, and a handful of abilities.
Additionally, we have some tuning changes.

(01:10:18):
Targeting PvP combat within the Crucible sandbox can be a
complex conversation. Diving deep into the numbers,
cones, and mechanics adjusting is not no easy task.
We've added notes and explanations to help here, but
some changes will make the most sense when you hop into the game

(01:10:39):
and get a feel for how they playin combat.
So with global changes we're seeing weapon hip fire reticles
changing. They're making it so that the
reticle elements have been updated with three goals in
mind. The 1st to make reticles
properly communicate the weaponsfiring performance.
The second is to tone down visual complexity and or improve

(01:11:00):
the visuals of reticle elements perk active pips in charge
meter. The third is to update reticle
elements to properly adapt the changes to FOV, bloom and auto
aim, which eliminates situationswhere they could overlap with
each other and in turn allows them to move in closer to
primary reticle. We have changes to to recoil.

(01:11:24):
What what would you guys like totalk about most?
Like, what do we see? What do we see from in here,
from the community that was likethe most important?
I mean, I think you put it in the notes, the changes to
outbreak. Oh yeah, I know a couple of
people that are going to be verydisappointed with that one.

(01:11:45):
Yeah, but. I know that it's.
It's a long time coming. Yeah, sorry, that's my bad.
There's a bit of a ping difference.
I know that. That's like a long time coming
because outbreak has been ridiculously overturned,
especially for a primary weapon,You know, rewind rounds.
You can get your super back in what like 2025 seconds or
something like that, especially if the more people that you've
had, the more it ramps up. But nonetheless, I am

(01:12:06):
disappointed. I really enjoy using that gun.
I think it's a nice way to turn off your brain, sit back and you
know, hip fire on certain bosses.
I think it's great. But like I say, I think it's a
long time coming. I think it's worth doing.
How much? What was it 20%?
I think only time will, yeah, I think only time will tell how
much that actually does. But we'll just, we'll just have

(01:12:28):
to see, you know? I, I mean, I, I think the big
problem with outbreak is that the best option for damage in
for raid bosses, which the new, the new raid is just basically
boss simulator is, is basically a primary weapon.
That's an exotic primary. And it's not even about the
damage of the weapon. It's about the Super generation,

(01:12:49):
which to me, and I think I've said this before, it means that
the meta is or like the sandbox is very strange right now
because it's about abilities andsupers and not necessarily about
like heavy weapons. And that's something that has
shifted from like a that's a huge, huge, huge, huge change.
I think so. I don't think, I personally
don't think that retuning Outbreak or Thunderlord are some

(01:13:12):
of these other super Gen. weapons that are outliers
because they do super Gen. is going to fix that and I think
that's a bigger problem that they have to address.
I need to restate myself becauseI didn't know that it was.
I thought it was a 20% damage bonus.
No, it's just a super. It's they're basically reducing

(01:13:32):
the Super. Contribution.
Which is? Yeah, exactly.
It's still a big issue because all of the ones that are getting
nerfed are. The problem with these weapons
aren't that they give you so much super, it's that they all
allow you to infinitely fire. Basically.
If you look at Outbreak, if you look at Thunderlord and if you
barrel diet, which is another one people use barrel diet, all

(01:13:53):
of them allow you to pretty muchalways never have to stop
firing. So that in combination with good
to decent super region definitely makes it feel like
imagine how many, how many supers you'd get if you had to
constantly reload Thunderlord oroutbreak, right?
Not nearly as many. I think it makes sense.

(01:14:16):
That they're pulling that back. Yeah, I think that we are like
the fact that we are just like hip firing it.
And you know, even with the outbreak, the nine nights of
doing the damage, I still think we are going to get super back
really fast, especially if you're on like 200.
But at the same time, you know, it's sad.
Wait it. Is it is unfortunate.
Yeah, it is. You're not supposed to reload

(01:14:37):
it. You're.
Supposed to Do you have rewind rounds on yours?
Because I had to go back and do that stupid mission like 5 times
and. Get.
Something. Yeah, because.
I. Was doing a 5 feet and and and
Chevy was like make sure you have rewind rounds on your
outfit and I'm like shit I don't.
Like that can. Run that stupid exotic vision

(01:14:58):
over and. Over.
So. Bad I haven't run the exotic.
You got to change this. I'm using my.
Change. That weapon.
So much. Oh my God, it's just.
Yeah, you got to get, you got toget rewinded.
Yeah, I have done it like twice ever, twice ever.
And I'm like, oh, this is the worst.
There's two parts to that exactly.
You can get the you can get. The we got grounds on it.

(01:15:20):
You can get rewinds with Sammy, but then you can also get the
the corruption spreads, you know, the intrinsic.
And that goes from 1:00 to 4:00.And with the rewind, yeah, you
don't have to reload and stuff. But my mate was doing like I ran
the mission back with him, I think it was about two weeks
ago, and he was always kicking off.
He was going, how am I doing? Like 10K less damage than you
guys? And you didn't have the
corruption, the corruptions bed signs for.

(01:15:41):
So it's worth going back into that mission 10 times, Yeah.
Ton. I really, I think that's what's
going on, Sammy, if you want to run it, I hate it, but I would
do it with you because I love. You know.
What I didn't do it because, andhere's the reason why.

(01:16:02):
When they first introduced it, they were like, it's going to be
really hard, right? We added made some changes to it
and I'm like, well, I'm going togo ahead and run it on the
hardest difficulty with all those no HUD.
You're you're Sammy. That's.
What you do? And then it became a challenge
from the dance for me to do that.

(01:16:22):
And I just. Never did that.
You also had the 20 minute timertoo.
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, the timer. But they have let you take off a
bow. I wonder to sort of because like
you have a lot of platforming and that platform becomes much
harder without putting on a sword.

(01:16:42):
So if you had done it, would youhave still platformed with a
heavy bow? Would you put on a sword for all
of that? It's it's because.
You only got 20. Minutes.
Very challenging to say I had touse a sword.
Well OK, here's the thing though.
Is it locked loadout? No.

(01:17:03):
Not, not. So I rally right before the
boss. So.
Oh well, as long as I don't do damn it that is a slippery slow.
There's like a couple of enemiesin the in the 10 minute
platforming section, but you canjust skip them just like doesn't
really matter. Yeah and at the rate you're

(01:17:23):
going, you probably I never stopwhen I'm doing helps.
I just always run past them so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This one's tough 20 minutes. Yeah, I mean, you can, you can
do normal mode and you can do that on, you know, 40 minutes
for that and you can practice and then true, you know,
prioritize going to Legend. But The thing is with Legend is
it's got a different jumping puzzle.

(01:17:44):
So yeah, that's. True, there's.
I didn't even know there was a different route because I had
never run it on normal. Oh yeah, the outside route when
you when you go out. Another route and it like I was
like, I know where I'm going andthen I'm like no, no, we're
doing this on normal. I have no idea where I'm going
now. Yeah, the amount of times.
I feel like if you. Back in the day when we would
have to like start over because like something would get like

(01:18:05):
missed or like somebody would have a hell of a time with the
jumping puzzle and not be able to make it with the rest of us.
Pain. I remember I was, I was trying
to, I was trying to go for the solo, solo flawless and under 15
minutes triumphs all in one go. Yeah, that was fun.

(01:18:26):
But then I realized that each one of them only gives you 1
triumph score each. So I stopped doing that because.
There is no need to actually go.Are you also the kind of person
that if you have groceries, you try to take them all in at once,
even if you're like? Yeah, yeah.
You get all of them on you? Absolutely, yeah.
All up on the arms. You're like how many?
I have like 8 bags maybe I. Can keep them.

(01:18:47):
Up there's just bleeding them from your fingertips because you
have a. 3 bags When you IKEA bags, those massive IKEA bags,
that's a. Joke.
Jenny has I have 3. Of those, and they're all.
Whole Jenny has like Whole Foodsbags where you just stick a bag
inside of inside of it to keep it cold.
We've got like four of those. It's.
Great. So I got, I got the plastic ones
all up and down the arm. I've got the, I've got the, I've

(01:19:10):
got the whole food bags in my hands.
Anything else you can pile on me?
Let's go for it. Yeah, you're like whatever you
can fit. Yeah, man, we're going for a
world record here. Why wouldn't?
We and then you're like, why do my arms?
Why? You got to get the thing from
Walgreens. Oh, I guess they have my Walmart
as well that I ended up buying. They have a grocery bag hook.

(01:19:30):
Oh, cream is just a big Caribbean.
Caribbean, Caribbean, Caribbean.Yeah, Caribbean.
Yeah, it's a massive 1. You can put 20 bags in the hook.
Just that makes my life so much easier now.
Never have to worry. The strats.
The strats, I think the problem would be if you started having
like a like you have a wagon that you carry behind you to

(01:19:52):
carry all your groceries. I think that's probably the
Strat. I've never done this.
Yeah, just. Get a just.
Get a wagon, man. Just get a wagon.
Yeah, yeah, it's like the littleold.
Lady to take that wagon upstairs, Yeah.
Most places have elevators. So anyway, back to the back.
Anyways, back to the yeah, back to the thing.

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Seeker pointed out that the Thunderlord changes were a
little funny. We discovered an issue with
Thunderlord's Exotic catalyst, which was causing lightning
strikes to refill more ammo thanwas required to activate it.
So we fixed this. They fixed the issue.
Yeah. Another thing.
We have to reload though. Yeah, they're hitting Lord of
Wolves too again. Yeah, which is interesting.

(01:20:34):
I mean, to be fair, like the people that I know that I run
with that do really big DPS, yeah, don't necessarily run
outbreak. They'll run like Lord of Wolves
with like a grenade launcher andthe top DPS.
So I mean comparable to the to the legendary.
Embarrassing. Because you have to reload.
The temple blast, Yeah. What actually happened with it?

(01:20:54):
Because I know that like when heresy dropped it just kind of
came out of nowhere. Did they bug out the release the
wolves perk so that it's just constantly active?
Because I I always heard that was like a bug, but apparently
not because they. Oh.
They hit the fire doing a lot ofdamage.
Yeah, like it came out of nowhere, right?
I thought they buffed it but then they buffed it too much and
just just left it. The they changed the inside of

(01:21:17):
perk. Yeah.
Oh, they changed the exactly part, right?
I see. OK.
Newly and Beyond This one's kindof nutty.
Newly and Beyond's perk counter,previously capped at times 100,
now stacks up to times 999 for Bragging Rights.
Increased damage is still cappedat times 100 though.

(01:21:39):
I wonder how long did it take toget that done in a private
match? Yeah, I don't know, maybe an
afternoon. So.
Much fun with that though. Know where you can use it yet?
If they can find if if they everhave a raid encounter, even
dungeon with something inanimatein a transition area.

(01:22:02):
Yeah. Then we're cooking because if I
can sit, if I can get to like some statue before the final
boss and just sit there for 40 minutes stacking up to Max, I
would love to see someone just walk into a boss with like 993.
Plan memes. Can you imagine?
Yeah. Wait, what was?

(01:22:27):
It it. Was some activity, gosh, what
was it where you would shoot something before you even start
the encounter? That was great, right?
Grand. Overture.
Well, there's a couple. The last one was Grand Overture
where you could shoot. What was the activity?
It was, I think it was Pantheon DSC.
People would do it on the remember Pantheon DSC people

(01:22:50):
would Grand overture. That was the Strat that one of
the strats. That was one of the strats
people use for that. Yeah.
They. Would distribute it.
On on immune. Stack it on immune buttons,
right? Yeah.
Oh, you can also do it with an outbreak.
That's right. Yeah.
That's where your. First one, yeah.
I think you can. Oh, also, couldn't you still do?
That if I remember that. Yeah, Vespasose, you could do
it. There's vespers also on the
final boss. People grand overture on the

(01:23:11):
final boss too. Could could you?
Well, you could. Could you also do it for the for
for the for the witness by hitting his buttons?
No, that's for. You could do that for breaking
the buttons. OK, gotcha.
OK. But Outbreak was the original 1.
You could do it in Crown of Sorrow where you can shoot the

(01:23:32):
the pots. Yeah.
Oh, I don't. I've got.
The pots. Wow, the pots.
Everybody was going. Zelda on those pots.
Man, Oh my goodness. I never did Crown of Sorrow.
You must have a good time. Wow.
OK, Yeah, it. Was a good time.
All. Of the what's the one schedule
of the past I never touched either of those that's where I.

(01:23:52):
Took the skirt. Just terrible.
Are you? Kidding.
Are you OK? Whatever.
All. Right.
OK, cool. I'm conversely.
I. Feel.
I feel personally intact, but OKsure I.
Picked down his legs. Anyways, something that was like
profoundly confusing to me was the fact that they're doubling

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down on featured exotic armor and featured exotic weapons.
Featured No. 1. Likes that.
Drama. Oh my God, the words I have that
I'm not saying. My life, yeah.
They're basically like you're going to, you're going to have

(01:24:34):
this and you're going to like it.
That's basically what I take from this.
Yeah, Oh. My God, yeah.
So the exotic armor pieces beingaffected by this by being added
to the list, at least they're adding and not subtracting that
Young Aham, Cara, Spine and Frosties for Hunter will be

(01:24:55):
touched will be added in. Strongholds and Hazardous
Propulsion will be added in, andthen Chromatic Fire and
Controversy Hold will be added in for Titans.
I just want to want to highlightthis.
So they're reworking the Exotic Strong and Hold arms, which used
to be really funny in a lot of activities because you could

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just like you just hold the whole block.
No more. Yeah, so much damage, Yeah.
And it was ridiculous the amountof damage that you.
Could take with that thing. Oh, you could do anything.
Pretty much everything. Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I mean, although Iwould, I would argue that Glades

(01:25:36):
or maybe more better, I don't know the math, I don't know the
math specifically, but in terms of damage resistance, because I
know people took glades into like like GM bosses and just
tanked damage or whatever. So I would, I don't know, but
strongholds kind of served like that similar purpose is like you
are literally a tank and nothingcan kill you while you're using
them, right? Yeah.

(01:25:56):
Yeah. So they say for a while now
we've provided immense defensivethey've provided immense
defensive benefits, but those benefits rarely proved to be
valuable to players outside of aniche situation.
Very niche, yeah. Very, very, very nice.
There's people who love them though.
Dude. Rev I have friends who love.
Them. Yeah, I was just thinking.

(01:26:18):
It's such an annoying place. But it is, it is kind of it is
kind of a funny thing, Like if you if you're running AGM and
you're doing GM helps and there's like like a boss that's
really, really dangerous or whatever, and you have a Titan
who's like helping you carry andthey can just tank all that
damage. It like makes it makes it so
much. So much easier.

(01:26:38):
So much easy. Very, very niche, yeah.
Just shoot, the enemy is better as well.
Well, yeah, but still. But why?
Why we? It's so stupid, it's so dumb,
it's so good. So they're reworking it.

(01:26:59):
So what are they doing to make it change then all?
Right, so the perfect So they'reredistributing the power that is
that the exotic provides to makebuild crafting with it more
interesting, doubling down on the tank fantasy to make moment
to moment decisions more engaging.
So perfect Guard HUD buff now appears as a bar and stacks no
longer drop off at 10 seconds after blocking damage.

(01:27:19):
They persist until they are spent blocking larger amounts of
Incoming fire. Grant gains stacks at a slower
rate, while blocking lower amounts of incoming fire gains
stacks at a faster rate. Landing a direct hit on a light
or heavy sword attack consumes 50% of the perfect Guard charge,
exhausting enemies hit and instantly healing you and nearby

(01:27:42):
allies. That was gradually gradually
getting up to plus 50 guard resistance and plus 50 guard
endurance based on the number ofperfect guard stacks instead of
the previous plus 100 guard resistance, meaning that you'll
be able to build craft with yoursword perks a bit more to
maximize your defensive and offensive prowess.

(01:28:04):
You gain 30% Dr. for 1.5 seconds, so damage resist upon
exiting sword sword guard instead of gaining resist times
4 while blocking. This is now a generic source of
damage resistance and can stack with other sources of resist
which is cool. Walking speed while guarding

(01:28:25):
with the sword is now increased when moving in all directions
instead of only forwards. So that's what it does.
It's. Yeah.
That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot of numbers.
I think we're going to have to take it into combat and see how
it cooks. It's kind of well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure.

(01:28:45):
Those people that like this playstyle, it definitely seems
better. Yeah.
I don't know how it really changes cuz you're still gonna
for the most part just block right?
Yeah, but I mean, it still seemssuper niche.
Like I don't know if it's gonna be more universally applicable.
Like it's like, especially if. You just have to build.
Using your sword reduces your stacks, yeah, or consumes your

(01:29:07):
charge, right? So it's like, OK, so you're just
blocking. Yeah, essentially.
Still, you know, I don't know. We'll see.
I. Do think I do think that like
one of the things that I personally am disappointed by
looking at this featured armour expansion things and and I know
the community has been wanting it as well.
Where are the exotic class itemson that list?
Because I know that's what people want.
Prismatic girls are kind of locked out from that type of

(01:29:29):
activity. You.
Know. Oh, you mean as featured?
As featured? Like the problem?
With that is they would have to do featured exotic class Adam
perk. It would have to be perks, not
the yeah they. Just make it like the class item
then most people. Yeah, then it would basically
negate the idea of rotating exotics because literally like
there's so many exotic perks that are related in Prismatic.
Yeah, I. See OK.

(01:29:49):
But I but I, but it would be, I feel like it, it would be fair
that if you had a perk exotic class item for prismatic, that
should work. It was part of the rotator that
that should get the benefit too.I think that would be absolutely
fair, you know? The problem with that was that
all of the perks on the class item are never the same, so I
wonder if it's like a coding thing because all of them are

(01:30:12):
stripped down versions of. Some.
Exotics exotic perk. Well, we're seeing here like the
the sort Arachne's Facade, so that like while Woven Male is
active, it will now also return health on defeating an enemy.
That had a direct effect on relativism, which is the Hunter

(01:30:34):
class exotic class item. It's like while updating Sort
Arachne, we began to investigatesome adjustments to the spirit
of site Arachne to balance it a bit against other options.
We conclude this change was premature, but we were unable to
fully remove the change before 9point 1.0 was locked.
So they were able to kind of adjust it.

(01:30:56):
But like, yeah, I don't know, I'm just not a fan of this
featured featured exotic armor. Bevanies ago.
Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't think many people are.
I mean, I think it makes interesting scenarios, but I
think it's it's like a kind of. I thought this was the artifact.
Yeah, well, right, because you're supposed to rotate

(01:31:16):
meadows to the art artifact. I feel like it, it basically
does what people hate the bungeedoes is locking people into a
specific selected. Yeah play style.
Yeah, right. And and I think that's the
community. There's a certain amount of that
that the community accepts. But there's there's pieces that
just feel grading. And this is one of the pieces
that feels grading. It's like exotic you shouldn't
you shouldn't be like limited interms of exotics that you're

(01:31:37):
choosing because some are betterthan others depending
rotationally. Like I think that most people
could agree that's that's kind of feels bad.
The only thing that I can reallysee being like beneficial, and I
mean like actually like wow, even though it got a nerve and
this is incredibly niche, but like the only thing I can really
see being good on that is the younger Hamkara Spine being good
in the cutting edge Crucible mode.

(01:31:59):
That is quite literally all I can really see.
Maybe hazardous proportion, but you're not really going to use
that in anything outside of likelock set or something, you know
what I mean? Like, so I don't know, I think
Hamkara spine maybe, but nobody's running around with
Frosties nowadays. I don't think I've seen anybody
using Frosties. In them I'm really about not
just yeah. No, I think.
I use Frosties recently. For what?

(01:32:23):
For what reason? I don't know, I think it might,
it might have been something with Ektar because I was so
desperate. OK.
Yeah, also. That makes sense.
Too. How's the mining going?
Oh my gosh, guys. What are we up to, Sammy?

(01:32:43):
Well I started at what was it three O 9 and I'm currently at.
Progress, progress. Wait, is that progress?
Because it feels like, feels like torture.
It feels like, oh, it is punishment.
It's progress and also torture. It's just how that works.

(01:33:03):
It's it's, yeah. It's.
Just like how normal it is. Yes, that's why you're going to
be up to. What I will say, and this works
for me, is I've had so many people that are like, you know,
shooting themselves because the power grind from 400 to 450 is a
nightmare. Yeah, don't, don't touch that.

(01:33:24):
Just do what I do. Be happy at 400 you get.
Your 10,000. Hey, I will be fine at 370.
I'm fine doing GM's 30 under right?
I just need to get into that. You just need into GM's, yeah.
You're almost. There, you're almost there.
I think I watched Four Seasons of Dexter while I was grinding.
Oh my God. 400 yeah. Like I watched a lot of stuff.

(01:33:48):
I was just saying a child like that, like, yeah, it's just one
of them. Can I just say one thing though?
Sure. This might turn into a bigger
than one thing, so. OK.
OK, hold on. Let me think of the best way to
say it so it doesn't turn into abigger than one thing.
All right, so basically, OK, without going into it too much,

(01:34:12):
I was going to say the whole thing with Portal and the
different levels and delta. But where I want to get to
through all of that is basicallythat I feel like right now the
idea of Grandmaster is kind of trivialized and saying that I'm

(01:34:32):
doing AGM dungeon layer really doesn't mean shit because
there's no delta that I could goover.
And then it really just what's the point?
And then there's this whole ideaof what on earth am I doing if
I'm just leveling? And then with Portal, suddenly I
realized that Destiny 2 is just a looter shooter and I don't

(01:34:54):
know if I like looter shooters and I'm just questioning
everything. But basically my point was,
without going into everything else, is that GM now it's just
is trivialized because it's not just like when I go into master
ghosts, I know that I'm doing master ghosts, it's

(01:35:15):
automatically delta -30 there's nothing I can do about that.
I will always be -30 but now it's like, well, what's it
matter? I think power is only for your
tiered weapons. I think as far as that like type
of stuff goes yeah also when when you get to 400 as well, the

(01:35:36):
solo OPS are going to get harder, which is fun because
they add champions and veins andyou have to add modifiers and
stuff. Whereas between 300 to 400 you
kind of just cheer in you can just run through it.
You can do your own thing, but no after 400.
I think, I think just just go for tier 3, Tier 4 weapons and
you'll be fine. As far as as far as Delos go,
that question of. What am I doing?

(01:35:58):
Just going for higher tier armor?
OK, why do I have this tire tierarmor?
What am I going to use it for? Well, I'm going to use it to
then go in and make my builds optimized so I can go back in,
grind higher tier armor or higher style armor.
And then I'm like, what is the end goal here?

(01:36:19):
And then suddenly I just don't know whether or not Destiny 2 is
the game for me. But then I realized that I think
the reason I'm questioning that is because I'm going to portal
and it gives me what feels like less agency.
And it's like telling me and throwing me and just yelling in
my face that you don't play likemost Destiny players.

(01:36:39):
And I have to, Oh, it's, it's a whole thing.
I had this whole issue on streamand it just see this is what I'm
talking about. I shouldn't have even brought it
up. It's.
What Sammy is feeling is unfortunately what a lot of the
community is feeling right now. Yes, you are not there.
Just doesn't feel like a point. Because a lot of people feel

(01:37:01):
that way, whether the folks of us that are Raiders, because
there's like, what, 10 Rays in the game?
Dude. I'm like, why would I do any of
them basically right now and it absolutely.
Blood we did vow of the discipleto take a break from from Desert
Perpetual today, and I was like,we didn't earn anything.

(01:37:21):
We just ran through and we were having fun.
Yeah, this is the kind of worms that I'm going to struggle with
as well, because I, I like, you know, bring back, like I say,
one of my favorite things about the game is raiding with
friends. But what's, you know, like I, I
like raiding for the, you know, for the fun of it.
Most people raid for a reason. You don't raid for just fun.
Yeah. Yeah.

(01:37:42):
Yeah, you can't be a really likebig time into the game to be
able to do stuff in this for fun.
And I know that sounds like really counter intuitive because
it's a video game, but like, youknow, you want to do stuff and
get stuff. And I think the only way I can
see stuff like Val or, you know,other things like, you know,
actually having relevance is if you're doing them on master to

(01:38:02):
get yourself something like a for variance or something.
That was incredibly mad, you know what I mean?
But not really anymore. But yeah, and that's like the
baseline and that's it doesn't really go past that.
You know, I think that's quite unfortunate.
Yeah, there's, there's, we've, we've said in previous episodes,
like having some sort of like armor buff, like anything to

(01:38:25):
like those would do so much for making people want to run those.
We were pulling teeth trying to get two people to show up and
play it today because like, it wasn't the new thing.
Chat wanted to see a different raid, but nobody wanted to play
that raid so it was like it was a weird.
Even the new RAID is having an issue though because.

(01:38:47):
I would have played it. Well, I had people the first
couple weeks of desert, they were like, I don't want to raid
yet. I'm not this level, you know,
I'm not this level. And you even have people now
that's like, let me just grant some more before I, you know, do
whatever because it won't be worth it until I get to to I
guess 400 right now or whatever.And it sucks because Sammy is

(01:39:12):
absolutely right. And I guarantee there's a very,
very, very loud majority who is feeling the same way.
And they're going to probably feel even worse in a couple days
because I'm sure we want to talkabout it.
But these grandmaster dungeons dungeon layers that are coming
out is going to cause a similar issue.

(01:39:35):
You know. What?
I just don't understand like. You said, why can I just put the
dungeons in their entirety? Yeah, instead of like pulling
them. And I'm really curious to see
how this dungeon encounter is going to be different versus
what we already had, right. And what's the what's the loop

(01:39:56):
going to be? Is it going to be portal loop?
Is it going to be the dungeon loop is.
It going to be Ted dungeon loop,you know, I'm I think.
Yeah, I think one of the main things that I'm struggling with
is like, why are they only doing, you know, like, yeah, OK,
they're doing only these encounters and a dungeons, but
why is that like what is the root cause of only doing these
encounters? Is it like a struggle on the

(01:40:16):
deaf side or is it, hey, we justwant you to get drip fed?
I honestly, I don't know, like what the motive is really.
You know what I mean? I'd like that to be a bit more
to it. And yeah, like you said, like
what what type of loot it's going to drop from that?
If it's going to be, you know, dungeon loot, is it going to be
Ted loot? Is it going to be a selection of
that loop? If you're going to add Ted loot

(01:40:37):
to that dungeon layer, why not add it to the entire dungeon?
And if you're adding it to that dungeon, why not the rest of the
dungeons? And then if you're adding it to
the rest of the dungeons, then why not to the rest of the, you
know, it's a whole, like I say, it's a kind of worms that, you
know, you're banging open with my head because I, you know,
that's something that I'm passionate about with the
reading and stuff. And you know, if you do one
thing, you're gonna have to do the rest.
Yeah. Well let let me run through here

(01:40:58):
with the with the the new Pinnacle OPS we will officially
transition over into the twit portion of this dungeon.
Layers are our way to bring of bringing dungeon encounters into
the portal through our Pinnacle OPS offering and will be
available for all players looking to for a challenge.
The the encounters will be familiar but have updated have

(01:41:18):
been updated to work with the portals modifiers, scoring
system, and portal loot. The three dungeon layers being
added to Pinnacle OPS in the portal are the Pit of Heresy,
Beneath the Necropolis, we have Duality, the Nightmare of
Galarin, and we have World Warlords Ruin, Heffens,
Vengeance. But wait, there's more.
For two weeks, starting at Ash and Iron launch 99 to 9:23, we

(01:41:40):
are making all three of the original dungeons available to
all players. Once this period ends, the
dungeon layers for Pit of Heresy, Duality, and Warlords
Ruin will remain freely available in the Portal.
If you'd prefer to farm dungeon specific loot to fill out your
collection in the portal, you can customize dungeon layer
activities and toggle the new Boone modifier, Classic
Collector. This modifier will ensure that

(01:42:01):
Legacy dungeon rewards will dropin addition to portal rewards.
These will be available to all players during the first two
weeks of Ash and Iron, after which players will be required
to purchase the corresponding Dungeon key to earn more of this
loot. Please note the Legacy rewards
will rewards will lack seasonal power and gear tiers and are
purely additive. I don't know who this is for.

(01:42:23):
I don't know who is who it's for.
Like like I understand I under like all of these like they like
they point out these are from paid dungeon key raids or
dungeons, right? Like.
Some of these dungeons are 7 years old, yeah.

(01:42:46):
Right, So what? Have been a perfect time to just
make all. He hasn't got to make all.
These legacy. Content.
It's free, but you know it's. But they've said that they're
not going to sunset things and yet here we are with quote UN
quote legacy gear. Yeah, you know, like I, I just
there's there's no reason to go after a pair of tier one arms

(01:43:09):
when you can get a pair of tier 5 arms from doing a solo op.
You know what I mean? I think that that's so you know,
the question we just said was, is it going to be tiered loop?
Apparently not. You can get your Preasternac bow
from Duality, Galran or you. Can get some only tears that you
would get was like the mint retrograde or something like say
mint is like in prophecy or pediphery seed.

(01:43:32):
I guess that would be tiered. Yeah, that.
Yeah, that would. But you can.
But you can choose whether or not you'd get the third weapons,
which of course everyone's goingto pick, or you can get old crap
that no one really wants to use anymore because it's not updated
to the new system. I think that's that unfortunate.
And you know, like I think you said before, like who are they
doing this for, you know, with the dungeon keys and stuff like

(01:43:53):
that, Like, I don't I, you know,oh, they've released dungeons.
What do you get from it? Nothing.
Oh, well, then why do it? You know, that's, that's going
to be the new player response toit, you know.
So that's, I mean, that's, that's pretty much like the
current responses. You know why?
And I think you're talking aboutthe older raids or whatever.
I think that people in a looter shooter, people want some kind
of lewd incentive to do something like unless they're,

(01:44:16):
unless they're going for the achievement in the title, which
I I get, I go for that too, for something that I like.
But once you've run it and you've gotten your triumphs done
and you've gotten your title, you don't need to rerun it
anymore. You're done.
You know? So it it, it really it's, it's
yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of people who don't hunt triumphs as well,
so even then. Yeah, even that it's not
incentivizing. There's people who are just
like, if there isn't a meta gun that I'm going to get from this

(01:44:39):
activity, if it's not going to give me something like tiered
loot, then I'm going to just grind solo OPS because it's
easier. And I could don't have to
organize A-Team or like a group of people to get together to do
this, you know? So then you're stuck in this
kind of like portal solo situation that is the bane of
the Destiny current grinding experience.

(01:44:59):
Would've been perfect to let those dungeons like loop will
get refreshed. Yes, Portal.
System yeah it'd be so that would be so nice I guess they're
saying that you can add you can add a modifier classic collector
that lets you get legacy drops you know and I.
I'd rather it be like you do pitand you get all the pit weapons
in the. Yeah, no, that would have been

(01:45:21):
sick if they did that. If they did like, you know, you
know, here's here's the dungeon weapons, but they're refreshed
in the in the tier system. That would be so good because
we, I think you mentioned that before, Dan.
That was something that we're, we're kind of like, oh, that
would be so great if they went back.
And. Refreshed like the raid, the
raid weapons with the the the tiered lewd and the dungeon
weapons with the tiered lewd like this.

(01:45:41):
This is an opportunity for them to do that.
So maybe it's like a missed opportunity.
All this to say, Destiny 2 Legacy Collection is now on sale
from Humble Bundle. Our training missions are
fantastic. What a great time to get in.
What a great time to get in. Spend money on on all the legacy
content that does that doesn't do anything for you.

(01:46:04):
You can purchase that until October 7th.
That said, does it include dungeon keys?
Yes, it does. It actually includes dungeon
keys for for many of these, all the expansions, all the dungeon
keys that they have. Yeah, it's it's, it's a whole
thing. Isn't there only like 3 dungeons
that had their own key because for a while all the pit.

(01:46:24):
Of heresy, shattered throne, grasp of avarice.
I thought about starting in GRASP until.
Yeah, it was grasp of avarice. So that's.
That's like the first one they had like a separate dungeon key.
These are the three dungeon and read.
These are the three dungeons that they've included in saying
that they have dungeon keys specifically for them.

(01:46:48):
Warlords. And what was the other one?
I thought duality. Also I think that was just
included with Shadowkeep. Was it?
Yeah, I know that. Was the best.
Duality was. No, that wasn't Shadowkeep.
That wasn't Shadowkeep, but. Apparently was Shadowkeep.

(01:47:12):
I don't remember. Granted, that's back when the
dungeons were included with justthe DLC.
Yeah. So, but they didn't start having
dungeon specific keys until Grasp.
Right. So it's interesting.
Well, it's not really interesting because you can't

(01:47:33):
buy like the Pit of Heresy, things separate.
You have to own Shadow Keep in order to own that.
OK. Oh, at the same time it's like.
So those I. Looked at all of their
collections and it's like we should have should have years
ago, but they had it's the game is so segmented.
So these keys that they're offering here that they say,

(01:47:56):
hey, you get the Pit of Heresy dungeon, Shattered Throne
dungeon, grass with Everest. These came with the pet like are
included in the packs, and they're now being listed as
separate things. Yeah, so you in in this, in this
like little bundlers or you don't get your Witch Queen
dungeon key, you don't get your right fold dungeon key or your
Final Shape dungeon key, which Ithink is poo.

(01:48:16):
That's why. So even then you don't you don't
have access to Spire, ghosts, swallows, ruin, vespas, host
son, the doctrine, am I right? I'm thinking but you have access
to ones that will come if you just bought the DLC.
So I think that's kind of them. Just trying to fill out a list.
Right. Yeah.
I can't really get behind that. Yeah, their entire purchasing of

(01:48:40):
content has always had issues. Like I don't the further you get
away from content, the harder itis to obtain it as a player,
which has always like been a mind blowing thing, which is
unfortunate. Like some of them I said, like
the easiest thing to purchase, which people can't financially
do this and I'm speaking from a privileged position, is to

(01:49:03):
simply buy the the $100 version every year, right?
Don't got to worry about it. Just drop the money.
You can't convince people to do that because it's it's a lot of
money for for a lot of people. But it's significantly easier if
I do plan on playing year round than having to figure out which
version of something do I need to purchase to own stuff.

(01:49:25):
Especially as you start segmenting it out, even down to
the dunk. Can you, Can you imagine how
crushed people are going to be when they buy those dungeon keys
and find out that it's not Ted loot or loot that's been brought
through to the new? That's going to, that's going to
be ruining people, I think, and new players are gonna get pushed
right away from that. I'm gonna take a look see if on

(01:49:46):
that site they mention anything because it's currently
available. They don't link directly to it,
which feels odd. That's right, you have to
purchase the dungeon separately through silver now.
That's. Right.
You do, yeah, Yeah. Those are the dungeon keys that
I was talking about. You got the Witch Queen one, the

(01:50:08):
Light Flow one, and the Final Shape one.
Yeah, but you but you buy the silver with money and then you
buy that dungeon key with silver, right?
So, yeah, so, and this is also tied to Humble Choice, which is
their Humble Bundles monthly subscription.
Yeah, service. So that's all of that feels real
weird. I like, I, I get that like the

(01:50:29):
money goes to charity, like the,the money here is going to team
Rubicon or 5% of it is going to team Rubicon, but man, that's.
5% is not much. Weird.
Well, the Humble Bundle is is kind of weird too.
I always thought by now they would have just like, had a cut
off point, yeah. And then just made everything

(01:50:51):
legacy, just a part of the core of the game instead of
segmenting it so much, right? Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know personally what the appropriate time should
be for content to no longer be getting charged full price cuz I
do not think. I think the fact that they're
still charging for the forsaken pack is ludicrousy.

(01:51:14):
Like what even? It's not so much that they
charge, they're still charging like a fairly decent amount of
like what is it, 30 dollars, $35still.
For the forsaken pack I thought it was like 15 but I am in.
They finally dropping. All right, we'll have a look and
I'll Google it right now. But.
If you look at like everything, you know, 60 year, only a year
to catch up is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.

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While you're looking that up, wedo have the developer live
stream for Dusty, 2 Renegades, and Ash and Iron coming up this
upcoming Tuesday at 9:00 AM Pacific.
I'm going to play the the video in the background here.
What are people's thoughts on the looks of the play glands and

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everything that we've seen so far?
Everyone keeps saying no, Siva, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. No, I know, I know.
That's so interesting. It's like, where's the Siva?
Like, obviously I'm just dealt with them a long time ago, but
yeah. Where are the Fallen?
Why? Why is it Cabal?
That's why I'm questioning the resident inhabitants of the
Cabal. Are we getting a seasonal story

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to this? I know we didn't have one
currently but. Yeah, I don't think, I mean, I
hope there's a bit of something to it to be at.
Least the reason why we're goingback to the Playlands, including
like why all these new enemies are there, right?
Wasn't there? What's that heist new?
Exotic mission? That could be something.

(01:52:42):
Yeah, we get, we do get a new exotic mission.
So that like that's and that's Vex.
That's all Vex stuff there. We have a call.
Yep. This is Year of the Vex, man.
Yeah, Year of. The Vex Year of the Vex that's.
Great. Yeah.
It has to be some kind of like, oh, interesting.
They might have, they might likebe like, I know they used to do

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like a seasonal story and stuff like that.
There might be something that ties into like a little story
that you can run through or someside quests or something.
Because that has to tie into unlocking the exotic quest or
the exotic mission. You know what I mean?
They're not just going to give you 1 and go, hey, look at this.
And then once you've done that with no context beforehand or
after, that's gonna be a bit of a crap mission, right?
Yeah, we'll just have to see theI'm gonna go back a.

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Little bit I'll put the axe. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna pause on
the axe here. No, stop it.
Oh God. Buttons.
My God. OK, hold on.
The axe is cool. Oh my goodness, it looks so
good. So they.
Did hint that it might be actually a weapon, yeah.
Yeah, they they hinted that it might be an exotic.
Yeah, I believe Scarrow asked about that.

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And like, oh, is that the going to be the weapon?
That we get. Yeah.
I think if it was going to be like an artifact, it would be
the Iron Lodax that you used to have access to in B1.
If it's a new exotic, it wouldn't look.
It looks like an exotic, you know.
Yeah. And like you have Siva swirling
throughout it like that's going to be, that's going to be

(01:54:15):
interesting. Yeah, I'll break 2.
Points the the site for the javelin site for whatever we had
like I I'm tuning in Justin and tell me yes or no, that's it.
Right. Yeah.
I'm the emblem. Don't forget the emblem.
Oh yeah. Yeah, the.
Emblem. Looks neat, that's all.
Yeah. That one was.
Cool, I I haven't. I haven't seen it, sorry, I
think I skipped that. That's all of them.

(01:54:35):
Yeah, I've, I've drifted furtherand further away from NFTS, so
I've on on. SO it's just, it's just one of
those things. It looks nice.
Do I need it? No, I'll play the gamer.
I am AI, am a sniffer but only really for ones that get granted
by Bungie now. I got a bit of an elitist
mindset once I got the 1st. Week.
I was like. I was like, right, that's it.

(01:54:56):
Yeah, absolutely. It's not.
It's. Not a bad time I wear with
pride, but yeah, he's still. Aware and all.
Of a sudden he's he's Alistair. That's like make it stop.
But. Yeah.
So the previously announced reward buffs, we've I think
we've covered them. Did we cover them last week?

(01:55:19):
I think the we covered them before.
Something that I thought was interesting here.
So in the portal buffs, something that I actually think
is pretty good is we're creatinga more consistent power reward
experience for the, the upper power climb.
So from 500 to 550 power you if you earn an A or an A+ grade,

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you get a + 1 power on the activity completion reward.
This change will also be in effect for A grades in the 400
to 450 power range when Renegades launches.
Note that with the launch of Ashton Iron, the power climb
from 400 to 500 will be naturally accelerated by the
power cap increasing to 5:50. That seems that seems cool to

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me. Huge.
I agree. Yeah, you know, it's.
It's really good. Yeah.
Well, that says is that basically you do what?
How do I put this into words? No more RNG on whether or not
you get a + 1 basically. So basically it basically says
50 lost sexes right minimum. If you want to, yeah, but like

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the problem. That's kind of the way I'm.
Going to go you. Do you do a bunch of them and
you just hope and pray you get a+ 1 whereas now if you want to
do it. It's a guaranteed.
Now you get a guarantee, yeah. It's guaranteed on a or a plus,
but like we will, Sammy was talking about this a little bit
earlier about slot protection. Like.

(01:56:46):
Yeah, let's do that. Let's bring that.
Please. That's something that like with
this paired with this would be just perfect.
Huge. You just consistently got my.
Proposal is that we do. I would say it's fair to do 6
and under. So if you have one piece of gear

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that is under 6 from your your base power level, then the next
the next activity that has that slot of gear, that is what you
would get. Yeah.
And it's guaranteed. So if you have two things at -6

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then it would be a chance of either one of those.
Gotcha. And then the next catch up on
lagging. Lagging gear.
Yeah, more than five, more than five lagging.
And I think -6 is more than morethan.
Yeah, that's that's generous, you know, Yeah, or like you.
Still have to work for it, but it doesn't just give it to you

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instantly. Another thing that I just saw
here, make tier 5 rewards easierto earn in the portal.
So from 450 Power onwards, Platinum or Diamond reward
packages earn a score of 1,250,000 or more to guarantee
Tier 5 drops from your activity completion rewards.

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To confirm that you will be ableto earn Tier 5 rewards before
launching your activity, add modifiers.
Increase your reward score forecast until it shows a
picture of a Tier 5 Ingram and ascore of 1,250,000.
As you go up in power, you'll beable to earn Tier Fives with
progressively lower grades. Example, at 500 power you'll

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only require AB Plus for Tier fives.
Yeah, yeah. I've said.
That's. It's a solid change.
It's a very solid change. Like at least they're hearing
that portion of it and they're probably seeing results from
like, oh, people aren't people aren't doing this shit like to.

(01:58:53):
Yeah, no, I was, I was, I was like going to get food with my
husband. And I was like, we talked about
destiny a lot. And he was like, I wonder how
many Guardians are there out there that are actually like
450? What percentage of the
population is 450 and and and isBungie tracking that data?
Like I just, I'm curious. I just want to know.

(01:59:15):
Naughty .5 to Naughty .2%. I'm guessing it's very, very
low, right? Don't you think?
It's is there like a third partyleaderboard?
That we could check, I don't. Know I mean I'll have a look at
Caldera report and. Sebro could.
Cibro could do it. Cibro could.
Totally. Do it.
Yeah, Cibro, if you're listening, get on it.

(01:59:36):
I want the data I wanna know. Get on it.
Cuz that's what the bungee devs look at.
They look at data like making data-driven decisions.
So if we can go to them and say,hey, this is, you know, this is,
this is the problem. Here's the data to back it up.
But I, I thought the, the changechanges were really good.
The plus one, I feel like we've had kind of a roller coaster

(01:59:57):
with the Twids the last couple weeks.
They, the first one like 2 weeksago they were like, Oh yeah, no,
we hear you that the grind sucksand we're gonna fix it.
And the next week they're like, yeah, just kidding, we're making
it worse, right? Yeah, this is.
And then I was like, we hate youso much budgie, this is the
worst thing you ever put out. And then and then it came, they
came up with this week's and it was like, oh, we're actually

(02:00:18):
gonna make it. We hear you.
We're gonna rollback. Actually, we're gonna make
everything easier at the kind oflike pinnacle grind.
So it just it just feels like like it feels very boomerangy,
like the twit, right? So like it's like very sweet.
Everyone loves it, everyone hates it, everyone loves it.
So but I do have to say one thing about this week's twit.
Is it it? It really did.

(02:00:39):
I think that's like, that's kindof like what I want to see as a
fan of Destiny, as I want to seethe devs being responsive to the
community because it is a live service game and they've won
numerous awards about their community management and
interaction with the community. Like I want to know that they're
listening, that they hear the feedback.
And I think this week's Twid really that one particular line
in like absolutely highlights that they this is, this is a

(02:01:02):
super positive change for the power grind and how onerous it
is. And I think it's an absolute dub
and I think it means it's it's what the community needed.
I think they needed to do that, and I'm glad they did.
That's it, yeah. Yeah.
Babe, come back. I've changed.
Babe, come back and change. Baby please.
Baby please. Babe, please, please.

(02:01:22):
I'm nothing. Here's the flowers.
I think the last thing that we should probably address is the
epic RAID update. Yeah, yeah.
The release date and the world'sfirst streaming requirements.
So in an effort to provide a stable and high quality
experience, we have made the decision to delay the Epic raid

(02:01:44):
by one week. This activity will now ship on
Saturday, September 27th, and the World First Race will begin
at 10:00 AM Pacific Time, so that is one 1:00 PM Eastern.
Contest mode will be active through September 29th, ending
at 10:00 AM Pacific Time. We understand that this may
create challenges for some in chat in scheduling, and we

(02:02:06):
apologize for the inconvenience.Our highest priority is to
ensure a fun, smooth experience not only during the race, but
for all players who wish to takeon the contest difficulty or
play the epic rate once Normal mode becomes available.
Additionally, we've created new rules for the Upgrading Upcoming
World First Race, including a list of streaming requirements.
These requirements are both for verification purposes, to combat

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cheaters and to improve the overall viewing experience for
our players watching streams. Marketing, marketing, marketing.
We will use this race to test out these requirements and based
on the outcome and player feedback, we will make
additional changes to these rules in the future.
So streaming is required, but only one member of the six

(02:02:50):
person fire team has to stream. The stream must be on YouTube or
Twitch. The stream must be set to video
on demand. If the team player wants to hide
portions of their screen, they must use an overlay provided by
Bungie Destiny the game and cannot use additional overlays
to block other portions of theirstream.
Even as a joke, they said no stream overlay will hide

(02:03:13):
portions of the screen during the competition.
Expect this to be published in the coming weeks.
It may be edited to add your branding and your face, but no
additional gameplay content may be covered if you wish to
compete. If you wish to compete, you have
no desire to cover your screen. Awesome, don't worry about it.
The team member who streams cannot black out or hide their

(02:03:34):
screen or portions of their screen outside the provided
overlay, and game audio must be on at all times, but players may
mute their voice audio. So.
From what I've heard that's the biggest thing is comms.
I mean, remember Salvation's Edge?
That was absolutely horrible. That was just a nightmare to

(02:03:57):
watch. Yeah, I say watch.
There was no point. I want to see the overlay first
before having a a pain, yeah. My thought is it's going to be
very, very simple. Like there's, they're not going
to go, they're not going to likeif you see the overlays that
they create themselves for theirexperience, I'm sure that
there's going to be like, I'm sure it's going to be fairly

(02:04:21):
simple compared to some of the things.
That people get. I think it'll cover the buffs
and maybe if like you know, on Hobgoblin and CAR how your
grenade changes. I think maybe that you know,
like obviously abilities or something like that other than
that. Yeah.
There'll probably be a black barunderneath the underneath the

(02:04:41):
health bar, your health bar. There'll probably be some sort
of black bar for the abilities I'm trying to think of.
What else is? Maybe, maybe the boss.
Probably just that. Just yeah, maybe like maybe like
the boss, they might have like afinal stand type thing on
certain encounters as well, so they might cover up the boss
health. I don't know, Maybe I'll change

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the name or you know, I don't know.
We'll just see what happens though.
Yeah, I hope that looks nice. I hope it's not just black
squares. I'm sure, I'm sure it's going to
look professional. I think that the question is
because we, we had a conversation about this at a
previous podcast, right, about whether or not they were going
to enforce like showing, showingthe content for.

(02:05:25):
We did have this conversation. We did talk about it.
And then there was there was thepoint brought up that like for
TOS, if you're streaming in a directory, you have to make sure
that you're streaming, you're actually showing the game that
you're streaming, you know, And that was there was that was part
of the conversation. And then part of it is like,
well, how much is is Bungie really going to tell people how
to put their content out? Yeah.
And I guess, I guess the answer to that is yes, if you want to

(02:05:50):
compete for worlds first, right,you could always stream it any
way you wanted to. If you're not competing for
worlds 1st. And I guess that there's then
you, then you get it's get sorry, like in my mind, I'm
like, these are all the the points.
It's like, and then it kind of gets into the why are they doing
this? And and if we did not have such
a rampant cheating in Desert Perpetual, would we be seeing

(02:06:10):
this type of direct like controlthat they're trying to exert
over people who are doing the world's first competition?
Do you think that one of the things that people like we're
struggling with, with the world's first type thing wasn't
necessarily world's first, but more the leaderboard rankings
and the amount of people who ended up getting the emblem?
Because, you know, what was the like 60 to 80%?

(02:06:33):
I think that only those serious people are going to be running
this overlay. You know, I mean like team notes
and well, that's the only one I can aim off the top of my head
and stuff like that. But with the, you know, the the
if you just like a casual play like myself, you know, if you do
want to go for contests and chances are probably won't
because I don't really have likea team ready or anything like
that, you're not going to be running the overlay.

(02:06:54):
You know, you're just going to be going for it.
You're going to get your emblem.And I don't think that there's
any way for bungee to actively combat cheetahs with an overlay.
You know what I mean? That progress for those people,
I think as far as actually addressing the cheating goes,
they haven't really done much inthis twit, unless I'm wrong,
unless I missed something. But I don't think as far, you
know, as far as actual cheated players go, I don't think

(02:07:14):
there's anything that really addresses that.
We'll just have to wait and see what they do.
But as far as, you know, if you the world's first and you
actually compete in like, you know, then fair enough.
Yeah. Use the overlay.
Yeah. I didn't take it for it.
I didn't take this overlay for being targeted towards cheaters
person. Does it not say that?
So what? So.

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What I guess the question is whyare they implementing these
changes? Because I mean, I think the
other argument could be made that it's for the viewer
experience, right? Because that's I.
Was going to say it's definitelyfor that.
If you. Are showing off your Super Bowl
like it's it's, it's there for like, if you're going to show
off your Super Bowl, no one's going.
To yeah, it's marketing. If it's marketing and the viewer
is having a terrible experience because they can't actually

(02:07:56):
watch the content, then I mean, I mean, I think in my mind it's
probably both. I think it's yeah.
See this is. That's that's what trips me up
is it says these requirements are both for verification
purposes, to combat cheaters andto improve the overall viewing
experience for our players watching the stream.
So it is. Yeah, he does.
That they're saying both as those both institutions because
you know, Dan, you've always said that like the world's first

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race is their Super Bowl. It's their big marketing
opportunity. Gets lots of eyeballs in the
directory on the game. If people are looking at the top
streamers and they don't see anygame missing out on that
advertising or that that like that media, right?
Yeah, although I will miss ATP. 'S.
That I know the Taylor Swift overlays yeah yeah, I guess I'm.

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I'm curious as like for for for contest teams who are competing
for worlds first. I'm curious as like how people
feel about that, Like I want to know what ATP has to say about
this change. Like are like, I know you're
totally. Fine with it.
Yeah, as I feel. Like a lot of the top teams are
110% fine with it. All right with it.
Because they're still permittingoverlays.

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They're just making it like, standardized, right?
Yeah. Because they didn't want to do
it. But when it is that close and
they've been in an encounter forseven and and 1/2 hours or so,
that's one of those things whereit's like, OK, we're making
headway, so. Like.

(02:09:22):
Yeah, I mean, if you think aboutit, that's when they get the
majority of their money from Twitch, from content.
Sure, sure. When?
They when they're high in the director.
Thousands of. Dollars their first place,
they're in first place or whatever, yeah.
And then when if they black out their screen or have too much on
it, that those numbers drop. So it's not like they want to,

(02:09:43):
right? Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think Epic Dan is also right
about this is I think that it's hard to form an opinion without
seeing the actual overlay, because I think it will.
Have more? Like finessed opinion once you
know what actually is gonna be covered and and then that.

(02:10:04):
But but I feel like some amount of standardization is is really
is really nice and hopefully it will improve cheating and the
viewer experience. Who's Eddie in chat says.
Do you think anybody will go to the extent of making an alt
account? So nobody knows.
It's them streaming it hoping that they'll be buried in the
directory. So there was.
How people have talked about that.
This was something that I thought about too, of like,

(02:10:26):
yeah, because only one person needs to stream it, but multiple
people can stream it. So if one person who's who's
higher up in the directory wantsto cover their screen, as long
as somebody else on their team is is running correct, Like
correct. Yeah, there's, I don't, I don't
know. How so much money if you do?
I don't see anyone doing that, no.

(02:10:48):
Yeah, it's just interesting. I could it's.
Not all about money, but like it's.
Yeah, I mean you also. Definitely could make a lot of
money just being even in one encounter at the.
Yeah, I mean, I could see that because you have like if you
have like 6 people in the team and one of them is like a really
big content creator and one of them has like a Twitch channel

(02:11:10):
that's like has 50 followers like and their mom watches it,
you know, like they could streamon that Channel instead of like
the big channel. And then they could still
comply. They could still comply with
Bungie and do the bungee overlayfor the smaller channel and then
just cover the screen entirely for the one where people.
And then I just going to make itharder for scouts because I, I

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mean, I don't think that's goingto matter because like people
who are scouts for world's firstteams are going to know all the
people on the teams and they're going to know to find them in
the directory and whatnot. So I I don't think it's going.
To the directory is also not bigenough to hide, let's be honest.
Yeah even on a contest day it only takes 3 to 4 minutes to
scroll to the bottom. That's her yeah.
So I was like, if you're streaming, someone will find

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you. Sorry, I got a cat.
Yeah, I, I also think that like,it's interesting because then
when people are ahead in the world's first race, race, like
organically, their numbers climbbecause people will find it,
find it, found out about it, they'll tell other people about
it. So.
Yeah, it gets shared, OK. Yeah.

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And I mean, it is easy to, it iseasy to multi stream to like
just just one of those things, man, Just one of those things.
That said, I think that's prettymuch all the Oh no last one
before we get into questions, we'll only do a couple of the
questions that we have been asked.

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Earlier this year, we announced that some voice talent was
unavailable to record lines for Edge of Fate in the temporary
performances for Icora, Ored andChioma.
We're going to be used. We're happy to announce that
with the launch of Ash and Iron next week, the original English
voice talent for Icora or An Inchioma have returned with
newly recorded lines for their characters.

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We're also excited to share thatthe French and Spanish voice
actors are in the process of recording their lines, which we
expect to ship with Renegades later this year.
That's a huge one. Massive.
That's good. I'm so.
Excited for the jobs? Yeah, I saw Mars.
You know, like retweet this likeretweet like a capture of this
was like we're back. Maybe it like is is great.

(02:13:17):
I love it. Yeah, you'd love to see it.
You'd love to see it. I do think that the voice acting
they did out initially, though was still pretty good, though.
I don't want to do, like, devalue that.
Oh, yeah. You know, bring break, bring
break the Ogs. We like that, Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
So that was that was all the news.
Let's go through some questions tiddly.

(02:13:38):
Why don't you pick a question from the from the queue?
Oh my goodness. Let's see, Let's see.
I mean, Matt's question is pretty particularly directed to
me about the Tom Christie Skeletor video.
So Tom Christie does these like YouTube videos where Skeletor is

(02:14:02):
basically like complaining aboutand I watched it on.
Someone told me about that. I never I've never seen one
before, but apparently like but it they're it's basically
hilarious. It's kind of like an acted out,
like, you know, rendition of sort of the community response

(02:14:23):
to the power level grind and then the Twid and then it makes
fun of like Marathon and it's just it's absolutely hilarious.
And I don't know, my my thoughtsare my thoughts are I I think
it's great. I think there's definitely a
space for that. I think that like, you know,
like I said, I think that it's been kind of a roller coaster

(02:14:44):
with the communication and the kind of like a mixed release on
the DLC and also the state of the game after, you know, after
ending the 10 year soccer. I think that there's been a lot
of drop off and uncertainty. So I, I, I, I think that having
that humor is very, very good and important.
And I loved it. I thought it was absolutely

(02:15:05):
hilarious, right? Would it ever win movie of the
week? No.
No, probably. Not, but is there, is there a
space for that type of humor just be, you know, kind of like
as a coping mechanism? Absolutely.
Absolutely. I think so, yeah.
All right, Epic. Dan, do you want to pick the
pick the next one? Yeah.

(02:15:33):
I feel like this one for Eddie, we talked about it a little bit,
but. It's not showing on the screen
so I'll just read it out loud. Few weeks late with the
question, but how does everyone feel that every desert perpetual
encounter is a boss and no puzzle encounters?
I know we've talked about originally like I guess right

(02:15:54):
after DP versus now it is still I enjoy does your perpetual and
I I personally want to hold off feelings on not having any non
boss encounters until we see theepic raid because I personally
still feel that we might get like a more.

(02:16:16):
Verity to. Purity, but you know, I, I, I
could see them putting it there,which, you know, hopefully, but
just got to wait and see. But I wouldn't be surprised if
we have more mechanic driven nonboss encounters in better

(02:16:36):
perpetual. Yeah, it isn't at at first it
was a nice change of pace like alike boss boss boss boss.
Cuz that's what we liked about Pantheon.
I was just boss boss boss boss. So I enjoyed it for that.
But it would be interesting to see, OK, now you did all the
bosses. How about to do like mechanics,

(02:16:56):
mechanics, mechanics, you know? I wonder if they make it so that
you like have to complete all the encounters, like all the
encounters for for the normal raid and these new puzzle ones
in order to get to the boss in order to complete it.
Or if they make it so that you can kind of like choose your
path. Maybe after you just do 3

(02:17:17):
encounters in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then and then fight the boss.
That's something that's interesting.
I could I could see see that maybe being something but.
It's interesting because like, Idon't expect us to have any new
encounters after the final boss.We already had that, so it has
to be something before that. And at least in my mind as of

(02:17:41):
right now, it makes more sense to to add puzzle encounters then
just more bosses. I don't know.
Yep. I mean there really.
Aren't even transitions in it? Like the only transitions are
like getting to the encounters, right?
Yeah. Aren't even that transitioning?

(02:18:02):
You know, I don't know. Sorry.
Go ahead, lemonade. No, all I was gonna say is that
I like my puzzle encounters. I think if it's like a world's
first or something like that, I think a puzzle like very or
something is a really, you know,good.
In that case. I think the biggest struggle
with the world's first in DP wasthe the damage check.
You know, there was especially on stuff like Wyvern, like there

(02:18:23):
was, you know, people could not pump out that damage and, you
know, fair enough because it wasit was a toughie.
But you know, I do. I do think that, yeah, that is
something that the, you know, the raid is lacking puzzling
cars, but I suppose actually doing the encounters and the the
difference with this raid is that you have like puzzles

(02:18:44):
during the encounter. Like so like let's say, yeah,
you do anyway. But like, you know, then when it
comes to boss DPS, you've got todo stuff as well.
And I think that is really unique.
So on the one hand, you're getting rid of the puzzle
encounter, but at the other handof it, you're also doing puzzles
during DPS, which is something that hasn't been done before,
unless I'm wrong. But I don't think, I don't think
I am. So we'll see, Yeah, let's see

(02:19:07):
what the epic grade brings. Yeah, there's been some like I
know you didn't like I was gonnasay Scourge, you haven't done
Scourge, but Scourge was was youhad to do stuff while DPS, for
example. Yeah, there's.
Been a couple of times where you've had bosses where you had
to just. Had to do mechanics.
Yeah, process my. I think that it's do.
You think you say ribbon? Ribbon would be 1.

(02:19:30):
You could consider where you're because you have half the team
doing it in mechanic at the sametime as the other team other
half doing DPS. So yeah, everything counts.
Tiddly, what was your point? I don't.
It wasn't even that good. Like I, I, I just, I just felt
like the like desert perpetual is a a full boss encounter raid

(02:19:54):
is is kind of like it's not. I don't think it's necessarily a
bad thing. I think it's kind of fan service
even, because I think that the community loves.
Boss encounters, and I would saythat they love them more than
any other kind of encounter, including puzzle encounters.
As somebody who loves raids generally, do I think that
having variety in a raid is fun?And do I like like the running

(02:20:17):
gun encounters? I love running gown encounters
like, you know, like Salvation'sEdge, like that one's really
fun. I love like the vow encounter
counter. That's the running gun
encounter. Like and transition encounters
or transitions, like having fun transitions and also having
puzzles. Like I feel like having variety
is really good. But like the community loves
bosses. So like this raid is very much

(02:20:39):
like a community oriented raid because of that I'd say.
That was it's such a well question for you, Dad.
How? Do you guys think that the love
of Pantheon and the demand for Pantheon played into the all
boss? Absolutely.
I mean, that was such a such a wonderful, wonderful raid
experience, maybe like the best singular new thing that Bungie

(02:21:02):
has put out since they invented trials.
I like as a PBE player, it was phenomenal and the reception was
excellent. So I think they they may have
seen that and been like, OK, thecommunity likes bosses.
Let's do let's do a non linear raid that's comprised entirely
of bosses. I could.
I definitely see that affecting it, Sammy.
Yep. Yeah, Quasi related, how do we

(02:21:24):
feel about the feet system for for desert perpetual compared to
like other things that we've hadin the past do are we are we a
fan of the feats this like abouta month out or how are we
feeling about him bring him? To the other raids, absolutely.
I love him. I think 4 feet raids.

(02:21:45):
It's so daunting to like somebody who hasn't done the
raids before. But like with, you know, once
you actually get used to it, like one thing that I would say
with like starting new games is if you start an easy mode,
you're kind of going to have like a, you know, weird
experience because then when yougo into the hard mode, you're
like, Oh my God, that is nails, you know what I mean?
But if you start on hard, then when you go into the easy stuff,

(02:22:05):
you're like, yeah, this is a breeze.
We can we can carry on doing thehard stuff.
You know what I mean? If you learn in the difficult
mode, then it's always going to be, you know, good.
So I think with like doing like a four feet, obviously, you
know, everything except for contest or master or whatever it
is now. Pardon me.
I think like if you learn with that and you go into that in the
deep end and you learn that way,all of a sudden you're doing 4

(02:22:28):
feet left, right and center and stuff like that.
So I think the best way to if you bring that to the other
encounters and make like the encounter challenges, the
mechanical things, and then you add beans to the other raids and
stuff like that, you're going tohave much better over time.
So I think involving like, you know, adding Ted loot as well,
sure, but also add feats to the other rates.
I think that would be fantastic because that would, you know,

(02:22:50):
spice support content to give you a reason to run it and stuff
like that. And while it might not
contribute to the title, maybe it could be a Guild or
something, you know, like, I don't know the thought on the
thought on my feet, but you know, I just think that would be
fantastic. The guilds, sorry, not the
guilds. The feats in the DPI honestly
don't think there's a point in doing it without them.

(02:23:10):
At least that's my opinion anyway, because like I say, I
think Ted loot is quite important, especially in the
game right now. So yeah, I think, I think yeah,
definitely run with feets. I'm a big fan of them.
I don't know about you guys though.
Yeah. I mean, generally like feet, so
yeah. Grippers.
Generally. Say what?

(02:23:31):
Grippers, baby. Interesting.
Famously I've shown them on on stream.
Cryo Phoenix has. Not just on stream, but on
Destiny, Destiny Digest too. We've had.
Alright baby. Love you baby.
Cryo 21 Phoenix does have like an interesting like comment here

(02:23:53):
though is like feet is neat, butI fear it may deter teaching
people because you have to kind of work up individual people to
get to the best loop for them. I think that that's something
that that is that is that is a possible like burnout point or
friction point just because likeyou have, you have like maybe
three people who are on Tier 4 and they're working up to like

(02:24:14):
get finishing this one out for Tier 5.
And then you have somebody who is, who hasn't even completed it
before and they run on Tier 4, but they're now not, they're now
up to like being able to do a 2 tier raid.
Like that's a friction point. And I feel like that's something
that maybe they could they couldkind of curve by just saying if
you completed a four, then you just are up to you can now do

(02:24:38):
the five one like if you've completed at 4:00.
I see what you mean. So you have to unlock them as
you go? Like you have to unlock them and
you can't? Yeah.
I did forget that you actually have to do that.
I forgot you. But if you've got somebody who's
already done it and they're already teaching you, you can go
like straight into it, you know what I mean?
Like if you've never done a feetbefore, obviously you can go
straight into a four feet as long as somebody's already done

(02:24:59):
it. So yeah, that's a nice feature
that they've done. That's that's a nice feature.
It's just like the the edge could be curved off of it a
little bit by like allowing everybody who jumps into that by
like coming all all the way up to that point too.
Last question of the night, Lemonade, Why don't we have you
pick it? Yeah.
Yeah. Why do I?
Where do I find them? Oh, they're in the.

(02:25:21):
They're in the, the document that I sent you.
Oh. Okie, Dokie.
Yeah. And the document that I sent you
toward the bottom, it's column five.
I've highlighted the ones that we've already asked.
Go ahead, like pick one. I see.
Let's pick one. Ask like, go ahead and recite
the question and then we'll we'll talk about it.
Let's have a look. That's a pretty good one that

(02:25:45):
that kind of builds into what I was saying before.
If you had the whole, if you hadthe whole of Bungie's ears at
your beck and call, what is a constructive pro slash con that
you can give Bungie right now ofDestiny 2?
Question Currency. Great Fox.
Oh, great Fox. Yeah, thank you.
I think like a pro and con that I would say right now is that
the community for for a pro. I think the community is so

(02:26:09):
desperate for the game to be good.
You have all these people that are waiting for something, let's
say magnificent, you know, for lack of a better word.
You know, they were waiting for something like that to happen.
And there are going to be so many people that are excited.
It might even bring people back to the game and stuff like that.
You know, if you were to, you know, sort of just do something

(02:26:31):
really, really good things that the people are asking for to
actually bring, you know, peopleback to what?
Where am I going with this? No, I yeah, I agree with.
You. Like lemon, I think I think that
the just the the absolute crazy response to Destiny rising
illustrates your point really, really well.

(02:26:52):
I think that you have a community that's thirsty for
content and that and they they just want to drink it up.
They just want that content, right.
So, you know, they they just need to put it out there and
their the community is is is like really wants it is that is
that. Reason why I'm with your point,
yeah. The reason why I was saying
before would like, you know, thereason people are so like pissed

(02:27:13):
off on social media is because people want the game to do well,
they want it to succeed. They want to be heard and stuff
like that. So, you know, if I had the, you
know, the whole like a bungee right now, I would say listen to
your community. Listen to what they want.
That's, you know, a pro the community is as far as cons go
put more stuff in the poll. I'd honestly, I'd go as far as

(02:27:34):
to say take the poll as a separate tab and put that onto
the world screen like you have with like eternity or something.
You know, it's like a little vortex on the destinations tab
or the director. Sorry, put the poll there and
then if you want to go into the poll, click that.
But as of everything else, add Ted loop, add it to the power
level. Don't create this legacy gear

(02:27:56):
that they're saying, yeah, sure,maybe stuff that was Sunset pre,
you know, Edge of fate, sure, whatever.
But you know, with with the Paul, I just feel like with the
amount of stuff that's kind of been, you know, cut out of the
game, put that back, please put that back.
I think that's one of the most important things that they can
do for the health of the game, because all of a sudden all you
can really do that makes significant impact on your

(02:28:18):
experience is Paul stuff. And once you've done it five
times, you know, at the end of the day is stuff like Encore
that we played in Echoes and played it a couple times and
that was kind of like it. You know, why would why would we
want to keep on doing that againand again and again?
We want to do raids, we want to do dungeons, stuff like that.
Yeah. I just think like that's

(02:28:39):
something that they could reallydo.
And that's a con that I would suggest, I would say that
they've got going for them rightnow.
I don't know what you guys thoughts on that other.
I think like personally, I thinklike IA pro, I, I enjoy the
portal screen for telling me like what I can do to like what

(02:29:01):
activities are targeted so I canfind the loot that I want.
I think the con to that is that like there's not enough variety
in there. And like, like you said, we
need, we need more things being relevant in there.
Then like the like we do need more activities, but we also

(02:29:23):
need more relevant activities, things that will actually help
us with our loot chase And like that's, that's the big thing.
Yeah, I mean, I think they're just really narrowly allowing
people to grind for the levelling and like funneling
them through something. I mean, and I, I, I my biggest

(02:29:45):
constructive criticism right now, of course is related to the
grind and how it doesn't encourage you to do end game
like PDE content. But I was talking to my husband
and he was like, I don't like iteither.
And he's like, he's like 330. He's way higher than I am in the
grind just doing a solo OPS. But he's like, I don't like that
there's pinnacles that I have toplay with other people just

(02:30:06):
like. You saw that?
Right, right, right. He's like, I just want to be
able to grind all of its solo. Why do I have to go into
Crucible? Why do I have to do a pinnacle
thing with an activity with its match made of the?
Like we're just. Like my marriage is over because
it's like no one is happy. I'm not happy.

(02:30:28):
He's not happy. No one is happy right now.
Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, I think what Jay has just
put in chat, Paul doesn't have enough content to warrant taking
over the main focus. I think that is absolutely spot
on me, honestly. It's not just that it doesn't.
Have enough content? It's that it's old content.
It's recycled. Stuff that we.
Exactly. It's stuff that's years old.
It's not, it's not like fresh, like the fresh content isn't

(02:30:50):
being, you know, highlighted, right.
So yeah, I think that's a problem too, right, Because
don't you want the power grind to be connected to the new
stuff? Yeah, maybe you would want.
Yeah, I would. Think like where you're spending
the time in the game. Maybe you want to highlight the
work that all the devs put into this amazing like new location
to this amazing new raid. Like maybe you want to highlight

(02:31:12):
that instead of having somebody play an activity that's three
years old over and over to grindfor.
But then also. End game loot as well, like, you
know, put it in other dungeons, you know, maybe, maybe not like
tears stuff, but like, you know,put power levelling into
dungeons, raids, maybe, you know, keep it in your, you know,
story missions and everything that's new in the you know, the
expansion, but not like recycledstuff like encore and star

(02:31:35):
crossed and stuff. I don't think the exact mission
or an end game personally, but that's just me.
I, I, you know, I think the power leveling should come from
something that you earn. Maybe if you want to do it solo,
you could do the solo OPS and stuff like that.
But you know, just, I don't know.
Yeah, just just make power leveling a bit more accessible.
Cut in real quick. I want you guys to know that

(02:31:55):
they didn't just put legacy stuff in.
Caldera is brand new. Yeah, that was just.
The one, the one. Right now, thank you for
correlating that singular exception.
You know what? Caldera is brand new I.
Overstated, Sammy, you're absolutely correct.
There's one similar new thing inthe portal.

(02:32:17):
Thing it's very important. All of my concerns, all of the
criticisms out the window. You're right.
Maybe you? Mixed it, yeah.
Yeah, it's good. All right.
It was right in front of us all along.
Caldera saves us. Give.
Me some helmet. Or a chest.

(02:32:39):
Please. Oh.
My. Gosh.
Have you not got your helmet yet?
Oh my God. Oh goodness.
Well, I got one and then I I needed another one.
Oh, I see. Oh yes, it's the fun.
It's the process. What?
What power level are you at now?I am at 317.
I have a -4 on my helmet, a -, 4on my chest piece.

(02:33:03):
OK. All right.
Well, we'll, we'll check in nextweek, see and see what we can
do. All right, I think that that
makes an episode for all of us. Thanks to everybody who who had
questions. Thank you to everybody who tuned
in tonight. Lemonade, where can people find
you on the Internet? What are you?
What do you got going this week?Oh, so I will be streaming on

(02:33:27):
Twitch. I hear you caught me off guard
there. I'll be streaming on Twitch.
I'll tell you one thing actuallythat I do want to plug.
You know, I've just done 100 Guardian videos and what I'm
aiming to do now is I'm going toask either 50 or 75 or 100.
I'm probably going to go for 100more what their, you know, what
changes they want to see in destiny.
So what I'm aiming for is I'm going to try and get a
completely different squad of people who weren't in the

(02:33:49):
previous video. I'm going to get a completely
fresh batch, not a single dupe. So if anybody wants to be in
that, you can find me on Twitterat Lemonade MP4 under score, or
you can message me on Discord atthe Lemonade dealer.
You know, I'm not really that fuss.
My DMS are always open. And if you want to watch some
cool movie stuff that I've made,look on my YouTube.
And yeah, that's, that's kind ofwhere I'm up to.

(02:34:11):
So I'll be making a new video. I believe we've also got a movie
in the works at the moment. We're gonna we're doing a Lord
of the Rings spin off. It's gonna be about 8 minutes
long, kind of like the Manda Guardian if you're familiar with
that. Yeah.
And yeah, you'll find that on YouTube within the next month or
so. So yeah, thanks.
Thanks for asking that. Yeah, you'll find me over
streaming on Twitch. I'm probably doing most of it

(02:34:32):
there so. Absolutely.
Congrats on affiliate also, by the way.
Thanks. Let us know when we started then
we just hit affiliate. So Congrats on that that's.
Yeah, next, next milestone is Bungie CC.
I sent my application on the 22nd.
Great. Good.
Luck. Fingers crossed, Yeah, we'll see
what happens. We'll see you in there, Epic,
Dan. What about you bud?

(02:34:53):
Where can people fighting you onthe?
Internet, I can find me on twitch.tv's at Jeopardy and 22
doing a whole bunch of Silk songuntil Tuesday and then after
that Borderlands. Yeah.
Can find me on the TikTok, you can find me on the YouTube and
the blue sky on Twitter. Heck yeah.

(02:35:13):
Do you know which character you're going to be starting in
Borderlands? No, we're going to pick that
day. But with Borderlands we always
do all four characters so. Yeah, I I picked Harlow with my
with my game time and it was pretty fun.
Just put a little bug in your ear.
I'm sorry about that. Yeah.

(02:35:34):
Yeah. Sammy Cat.
What about you, bud? You guys can find me
twitch.tv/sammy Cat. I'm also Sammy Cat on YouTube
and then Sammy Cat plays on Twitter and TikTok and some
other stuff. Probably.

(02:35:54):
If it's not Sammy Cap, then it'sSammy Cap dot dot dot dot dot.
Yeah, tiddly. What about you, friend?
Yeah, absolutely. I am twitch.tv 4 slash Tiddly
ice cream Monday through Friday,9:00 central or so, so come by
in the mornings for some auditory caffeine.
I'm also on Blue Sky at Tiddly. Thank you.

(02:36:16):
My name's Danfinity. You can find me on the Twitter
and the Instagram. You also have the Danfinity GG.
You can find me. Just go to my website, danfinity
dot GG and you won't have to worry about where to find me.
It's just like that one location, that one address.
Please don't find my home address.
Don't do it, guys. Don't all.
Addresses but the. That is not as.

(02:36:37):
Good. Yeah, yeah, We'll be playing Ash
and Iron stuff on Tuesday and then this later this week, some
Borderlands 4. Very excited about that.
So yeah, man, this like the backhalf of this year is like crazy
stacked. And so I'm not going to have a
lot of time, dude. Yeah, just just crazy.
So it's. Been a crazy year for games.

(02:36:59):
Yeah, man, like we have ghosts of Yote like at the beginning of
October. So many games coming out.
Good problem to have, yeah? So many, so many, It's so many
are packed toward the end of theyear.
It's nuts. But yeah, thanks everybody for
listening to the show and we hope you find what's your
grinded for. Hell yeah.

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