Destiny Digest #116: Epic Raid Rundown w/ SherpaMind

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Hello and welcome to another shocking episode of Destiny
Digests. We're on episode 116.
My name's Dan Finity and I'm your host.
We are joined today by by many on our panel, including featured
guests. Sherpa Mind.
Thank you so much for joining today.
How are you? Hello.
Thank you for having me. I'm good.
I'm well. Yeah.

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It's been a, it's been a long day, but we'll, we'll hang it in
there. Yeah, that's good.
We'll we'll get to learn a little bit more about you here
after we do some housekeeping. But Epic, Dan and Sammy Cat and
Tiddly, how are you guys doing today?
Hello. Hello.
Good, Pretty good. Hell yeah.
Glad to have you. Let's, let's get into some

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housekeeping and then we'll talkabout like what we've been
playing over the past couple weeks because we haven't been,
we haven't done an episode in a while.
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You're you're glad that she's your friend so hi guys.

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How's the how's the past couple weeks gone?
Sherpa mind, what have you been playing the past couple weeks?
Let's. Start with our guest.
Yeah. Hello, I actually have been
playing Borderlands 4 a bit quite casually, enjoying Rafa
quite a bit, but I have been primarily very distracted by

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Expedition 33. It has finally taken hold and I
am I I'm loving it. It's phenomenal piece of
artwork. Yeah, it's.
I genuinely cannot say anything bad about it.
I really can't. That's good because.
People come back to you. Yeah, true.

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But it's I, I honestly feel it'strue.
My game of the decade for me. Oh, decade.
Decade. I like all of the artistry
that's gone into it, the sound design, the music, it's just
everything has come together so well out of nowhere.
It feels like it's just, it justappeared this year and it's just

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taken off and it's all been wordof mouth and it's just nothing
that has been said and everything's just been truly
justified. So a question here, because
we've talked about this on the podcast about the game of the
decade. Have you played Boulder's Gate
3? No, I have not.

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I'm going to save. I'm saving that first play
through for because my wife has played it, Addie's played it.
I want my first play through forus to go through it, which when
we get the time to go through then oh.
I love that that's. Going to be a lot of fun.
But I again, I think that's going to be the only thing that
could probably contend with it will be Boulder Skate 3, because

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I again, not have anything bad about it.
And I'll love those kinds of games where he got all those
individual decisions. And yeah, all the passion for
the people that have made it andthe the actors and the voice
actors through it. You can see it in in the
production quality from the bitsI've seen, like the all the
clips and stuff. So I'm looking forward to giving

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that a go as soon as I can. As soon as you find the time.
Once you have played Boulders Gate 3, we will invite you back.
So I will. I do find it interesting.
Yeah. It's been a very interesting
turn and I know I feel like it'sprobably partially because of
people not playing that genre, but you're not the first person.

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I think the last time we talked about it was because someone
someone made a they were talkingabout the Game of the Year
awards and someone was comparingit to Eldering, which I don't
think is a valuable comparison. Yeah, because of how Eldering
came out of nowhere and kind of swept the entire game and

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community for a while, which is very similar to what Expedition
did. But they're not even, you know,
it's not even From Software's best Souls game.
That's it's great, but you know,Secro's right there, so.
That's still on my still on my list to play.
I'm looking forward to giving that a try.
But a lot of people, we only mentioned that cause a lot of
people that say that, yeah, hasn't played like some of the

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at least some of the ones we feel that are like are, are a
tad bit better. Yeah, yeah.
Boulders Gate 3. Dude, you got to play that.
Yep. I will, I will.
I've got that. I've still got Cyberpunk to
play. Oh my.
God, yeah, dude. Backlogged.
You know what? You know what?
It's it's almost as if other games exists and that you can

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play that amount at any time. After they release that on
Destiny. Diet.
It's almost like you can do that.
Delicious. And you can.
Wait, tiddly tiddly. What about you, buddy?
What have you been playing in the past couple weeks?
I. Have I have been in Vegas
playing slots? IRL gotchas.

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Gotcha. Yeah.
Yeah. Gotchas.
So yeah, so we went to Vegas last week, which was super fun,
but actually it's really crazy cuz the, the, the I play penny
slots, which ends up being like a dollar a play anyway or $0.75
or whatever. So it's a misnomer.
It's not it's not like 70. It's like money.
But yeah, but yeah, but they make them so they're like video

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games. And so I actually love it.
I love it so much. I love playing slots so much.
And I know it's, I know it's notany way to win money, but it's
still really, really fun. So what what what I do is I have
a daily budget. So I'll go ahead and I'll say,
OK, my my budget today is like 60 bucks or something like that,
100 bucks, whatever. 6000 pennies.

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And then, and then I'm. Like OK once.
Once my money's gone, then I'm I'm done for today.
So I treated as like I'm spending X amount of money per
day on entertainment and I just don't expect to win anything.
So I don't get into this mental game of.
You hard cap yourself. Yeah, I hard cap myself on my
gotcha IRL gotcha game. But I actually, it's so funny

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because I go in there and I havemy strategy.
So what I do is I go and play myslots until I hit the bonus
because that's really where you #1 where you make money and #2
where it does all like the lights and the sound and it's
really fun. So I wait until I hit the bonus
and then it cash out. That dopamine too.
I get the dopamine, I cash out, I move on to the next one.
And there's a couple that I love.

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There's like one with bears and s'mores, which is really good,
which is really new. And it, yeah, it plays like
music. It's so fun.
And then the other one that I love, that I've loved for years
is Planet Moolah, where it's like these these cows that like
abduct like farm animals or whatever, and then they go so in

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this cascading reel. So if you hit like a wild it'll
go murr. Oh, wait.
Planet Moolah. Yeah, yeah, I get it.
It gets the double right there. Yeah, that.
Is fantastic. So good.
I love I love planet moolah. Anyway, so I've been IRL and I
also walk away when I win money.I I bank that and I don't spend

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right. So like if I start with 60I win
like 20 on a bonus, I'll bank the 20 and then just spend the
rest of the 40 on gambling. So I, I always walk away with
money I like I'm coming home with money so.
Congratulations. That's great.
But but also before that I am upto 350 in leveling.
So I'm making some progress, notgreat progress, but a little
progress in Destiny and then I'mstill working on the the level

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grind. But today I played hockey and I
did Rivals instead. I have Borderlands levelling to
do. I'm also I'm not level 50 and I
haven't finished the story yet. So I took a week off and I'm
feeling massively behind on all of my games.
I'm all like I need and then I'mlike, I don't care, I'm just
going to play Rivals. Yep.
So that's awesome. That's awesome.

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Yeah. Sammy Cat.
What about you, friend? I've been playing Destiny and
just the last couple of days I picked up an old game, old
puzzle game door from Antique. Just chill out a little bit.
Health and mental health and I don't know, I lose track of

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time. It's just gone.
Dude, the soundtrack for that isso hypnotic and just wonderful.
It really is. Yeah, for for those who don't
know. It's.
You, you get these like little, you get tiles and they will,
they will have like a field, a, a forest, a town or a, or a

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water feature on it. And you have to connect these
tiles. You have to connect the tiles
to, to the spaces that they're, that they matched with.
And you create these huge landscapes that like that are
just very peaceful the entire time.
There's. That sounds lovely.
Yeah, there's like million pointruns of that that are insane.

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It's. Hard.
It's hard. It's really hard.
Like it's so. Highly recommended.
No, it's so hard to get a good. Four.
Really. Yeah, highly recommend it.
Yeah, such a good game. Such a good game.
What power level are you at, Sammy?

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I don't know. OK.
I stopped power leveling once itit's a portal issue.
If I get into it well, I'll justkeep going.
Well, we can I. Will just keep going.
It's up to you. Yeah.

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We'll, we'll, we'll. Talk about that here in a little
bit then epic. Dan, what have, what has your
past couple weeks been like? Past couple weeks have been
pretty much just Borderlands, yeah, yeah, just playing
Borderlands, finished two of thecharacters, two of the four, and

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just spending a lot of time farming for very specific roles
on weapons. You know, there's a whole bunch
of harming, which is very nice. I I don't trying to think the
last time I booted up Destiny probably like 8 or 9 days ago I
think. Yeah.
Actually, no, I think because I had to do a bunch of traveling

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this month. Last time I booted up was Ash
and I on first date or second date wanted to.
And since then I had to focus onlike finishing all of the Silk
song. And then I had to travel a few
times and then by the time I gotback I was just kind of just
playing Borderlands. Yeah, I was just been just been
playing way too much Borderlands.

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Fair enough. What weapons are you grinding
for? Are you going after?
I got a farm for a disc launchershotgun.
Having to farm for a perfect role of like this weapon called
kickballer. Looking to farm for some

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specific Malawan weapons with Hyperion and Jacob parts.
It's it's a lot. Yeah.
Looking for very specific things.
It is a shotgun that shoots out a big kickball.
That sounds awesome. But that's very Borderlands.
That is very ball, yeah. That makes sense.

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Love it like it's very on the nose but but then if you get it
with specific part, if you get it with a Jacobs part, it will
then ricochet so you'll have a kickball then all over.
The world, yeah. So.
It's not just the kickballer, you want it with a particular
Jacobs role on it. Yeah, so all of the weapons, I
have a manufacturer's part, and each one has different elements

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tied to it. So like, depending on what build
I'm trying to work on, I'm having to then farm specific
items, then I got to farm it with a specific role, then I
have to farm it for a specific additional part.
That's a lot of farming. Yeah, it does.

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Eddie and Chad just said that itmakes the boss room a disco.
Disco Floor. That's so fun.
That's so. Fun.
So if you've ever played Borderlands 3, it's a very
similar thing where the Jacobs has a part where when you get a
critical, it will ricochet. It has a chance to ricochet and
you'll see a line. You'll hear the sound of a
ricochet, but you also see a line where the bullet goes

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somewhere else. That's the ricochet.
With certain weapons, if you crit enough times it will make
the ricochet happen almost infinitely.
OK. So if you do it enough, you'll
literally see just a bunch of ricochets all over the screen.
Yeah, and because of the way it looks, it does end up looking

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like a disco room because of what the kickballer visual is as
well. Here comes the live show.
The one downside obviously is you can kill yourself with it,
but there's a fair amount of weapons you can kill yourself
with. The boss is awesome.
So you know I. Love it.
That's awesome, dude. Yeah, So I've been, I've been

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playing. I guess I'll talk about me now.
I've been playing Borderlands 4 as well.
We got a got a code for that played with Mod Sherpa and
Dunes, I want to say a couple weeks back and we had clean
plays came in and he was like, hey, check this out.
And it was like a grenade that just kind of like softly like
spun. And as it spun, it would play

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like a funk music. Yeah.
It was fucking cool. It was.
How the disco something? Yeah, it plays music.
It was so cool and I. Was like.
I, I was jealous, actively jealous that he had it because
it's just, it's just such a neat, like such a neat stupid
idea. It's actually really strong too.

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It is OK. Gotcha.
So like, yeah, I was just like floored by it.
It was just so, so fucking funnyand like just just perfect for
the like the border Borderlands sauce.
Yes, yes. Yeah, I've been playing, I've
been playing Vex. I too need to level up my Vex

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and get get get her a little bithigher and and proceed in the
game. I think I'm like 30.
Percent of time though, because the first raise don't drop for a
few months. So you have time.
Yeah, if you care about doing like the Invincibles in the
rates. Yeah, yeah, that does sound
really fun and something that would add a little bit more
variety to to the play style, Mr. Kayla's in chat said.

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You still running the Reapers, Dan?
I'm not still running the Reapers.
I went back to the Kitty. The Kitty is.
We're running Kitty. Yeah, I'm running Kitty Cute.
Yeah. I ran the Eldridge.
This is nice. You should.
OK, Yeah. All right, yeah, I'll mess
around with some things. I swapped that, yeah.
LG is so good. I don't mind, I like in that

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game. I do not mind changing my
abilities on on a whim like how I'm feeling that day.
So like I'm whatever works. I'm I'm into it.
I played time flies. Have you guys heard of this?
I've heard of it, but I don't know about it but I've heard of
it. You it is.
The game looks like it was illustrated in paint, like Ms.

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Paint. Yes, I've seen this.
Yes. So you are a family?
Oh my goodness. And you have to complete.
Your tasks, yeah, yes, I posted.TikTok, TikTok.
I was, I was on TikTok scrollingTikTok.
And then I'm like, why is Dan posting a TikTok of a family on
somebody's crotch? Yeah, what is going on?

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Yeah, it is. No, it's.
True super sick it is like it was I think it was like $15 on
Steam. I think you can also get it on
PlayStation and it's just this dumb little game where you're
flying, you have to complete allthe tasks and a run in one clean
run per stage. And they're they're named in

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funny ways. The the Art Museum one where
the, the crotch was involved hassome of my favorite ones.
Like you have to start a revolution.
And so you go on this wheel and you have to spin the wheel with
the with the fly. And that's so that's starting a
revolution. You have to build a home.
Yeah. And you'd, you're just drawing

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lines, but you're, you're just connecting the dots on a on a
painting to build out that home for for somebody else.
That's funny. And then, like it said, explore
sexuality. And so you go over to what is
ostensibly the David and they ithas a fig leaf over its genitals

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and then each run the genitals change, which is great it.
Was blurred, I didn't see it on the TikTok.
I get out. Neither confirm nor deny.
I blurted on TikTok because I was like I don't know how
they're going to view this so but every every time you go past
it the genitals change as as yourelease the the fig leaves.

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Well, that doesn't sell you on the game.
I don't know what will it's. It's great.
It's hilarious. I'm glad the genitals change.
Everyone really introduces some variety.
Yeah, but like. So.
But like each run you only have like 76 seconds if you live in
the United States to get all this stuff done.
So it it becomes like a speed run game very quickly.

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And it was it was very nice. I also played Henry half head.
That game was OK and then I played baby steps which that.
Game. How did you like that?
Because I'm excited about that. It's Bennett Foddy, the creator
of Getting Over It, and it is very dumb, very stupid.

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The sense of humor is right up my alley.
I'm going to be playing more of it tonight after we get done
with this podcast. And it's just like, it's it's
very dumb. It is.
You are climbing a mountain ostensively and like you are
bumping into Bennett Fadi and heis like, hey, why don't you piss
in this Bush? And you're like, but I gotta go

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somewhere else. And so you try to find the porta
potty up on this Cliff and uh oh, you knock off the porta
potty. So that's like, what are you
going to do? And then fatty gets mad at you.
And you might have wandered off into this one area to see if
there was anything beneficial from going to a farm.
And you might have picked up like this little tiny chicken
chick. And then it starts following you

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around as you're climbing up themountain and you're going up the
mountain with this little tiny like this, this chicken chick,
right? And we named it Sven.
And right as soon as we named itit.
Disappeared, so then you're heartbroken for the rest of your
time playing that game. Too many more it.
Became a horror game that's. Terrible.
And then, yeah, and now, now we're out for revenge for Sven,

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man, because I don't know what happened to it.
And yeah, it's just just chef's kiss, dude.
There's so many really good games that are out right now.
That said, transitioning over into Destiny 2, I did have a lot
of fun on Sunday. I did some helps earlier on
Sunday, like while everybody else was doing the epic raid, a

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lot of the time it was just people helping me out because
like, I'm fairly low in light. But God damn it, dude.
Like I had a lot of fun that dayand it had nothing to do with
the loot that I was getting. It had entirely to do with the
hangs, like the people that I was hanging out with, the
activities that we were playing while we were hanging out, and

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it was just a blast. It's the first time that I'd
felt like that in probably like since maybe a month after after
Edge of Fate released. And so like I, I'm floored by
it, like by, by how much, how good I felt about it that day.

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But then again, I wasn't just running portal activities or
like actively trying to run it portal activities.
So that's a thing. What has everybody else been
getting up to in Destiny? We just recently had the contest
rate, right? Yes, the contest epic rate,

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which was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that, yes.
You're the only one of us that played that.
So like how? How was the experience?
I genuinely love the the experience.
I didn't have much in terms of expectation in the sense that I
didn't know. When they said epic raid, I

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wasn't sure what they meant by it.
It didn't really describe it because before I had hot blood
raids in D1, you had prestige raids in LED 2.
So I didn't know whereabouts that was going to sit now.
So I was expecting like if you take the Y of an encounter as a
perpetual, I was expecting something like, although the

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runner has to get box going up and then have to get all the way
down because that would then fitwith the the challenge for the
the run as well. So that was on my inkling goal.
Like with levity added more dogssaw thing in the prestige mode,
but they I think the changes I think hydra was the least

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impactful for me. I just felt a bit more chaotic
inside, but everything else outside felt pretty much the
same yeah it was a lot of fun. Don't get me wrong it was I
enjoyed the chaos of it because it was a lot because I like the
challenge of like a lot more things to do because on normal
it feels very simple on hydro, but just for the inside room.

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But then you take it to the the epic version and it's like, OK,
now I'm dealing with the cyclopsinside, I'm dealing with three
detangrones. Every single eye I'm breaking.
It's it just amps up in there. But it didn't feel like it
changed too much. Then you take Wyvern and it is a

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completely fundamentally it's the same same sort of premise,
but it's it feels so much different.
So like I don't know if anyone wants to go into it blind or
anything so I don't want to. The honestly.
For the head butt. Look, I know all about it, so
we're good. Yeah, I watched the whole
contest. I that That being said, it's
very different watching it versus playing it.

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Like when you watch it, it's harder to understand exactly
what's going on. But I spoilers are OK for me.
Yeah. Just wanted to get out.
Just yeah. No, I appreciate that.
Yeah. Because so for Wyvern now,
instead of doing the boxes top to bottom it, that's not the
case at all. You have to do it so like you

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have each person having in the final encounter the different
buffs you got the cyclic, absolute and constant buffs.
They're in that encounter. So you have to get those plate
buffs. That plate determines which
column you shoot. But then there's colored Cronons
in like little vials and that determines which level of this,

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the pillar you have to shoot, which combination.
So it could be two whites and a red.
So you'd have to like 2 boxes onone level, 1 on another, and you
have to start to coordinate thatas you're doing it.
Oh wow, it's it's. Really, really cool.
An extra level of complexity. Yeah, I mean, watching, watching
it, it seemed like teams were really taking a lot longer to

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figure out Wyvern than the othertwo encounters.
Like people got Hydra down very quickly.
I think within the 1st 20 minutes that encounter was
completed. And so the teams were switching
from Wyvern to Hydra because that one was completed.
So people knew how to do it. But I think that that was that
was something that the commentators were talking about
a lot was like that. That Wyvern was was very was
different enough. The mechanics were different

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enough. It was stumping some teams going
in, they're having a hard time figuring out how to do it.
And then you had Bob Goblin. I really like the Bob Goblin
encounter. Got very, very good feeling
clear in that one because that'swhat we started with on the
original 1 and we didn't really clear.
We only had like 12 hours in thebase as a perpetual overall, but

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that was where we started. We didn't clear anything, but it
was partially because the bug issues.
Partially it was just trying to figure out figure the damage out
more than anything because we got mechanics down for that on
the base version very quick. But it was just figuring out
damage because no one really knew what to do with all the

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sandbox changes and whatnot, right?
So clearing that was a very euphoric for me.
I was so pleased with just clearing that honestly felt so
good. But then you go to Final
Encounter and it is. It is wild.
It's. A completely different encounter
to what you know, like. So was the I had heard a rumor

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that like some of the like the order that you did the previous
bosses also affected how the final boss goes?
Is that true? OK, cool.
All right. So it also affects the bosses in
between as well. OK, so so if you we were very
lucky, we started, we did it in a good order.
So there'll be, so say we did hydro first, which has the

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detained drones as the extra sort of outside main thing in
the main mechanic they've added really to make it more complex.
Then we went to Hobgoblin. Those detained drones moved from
that previous encounter into Hobgoblin.
So whenever we dumped a Crone onin to to figure out the colour
we needed, yeah, 2 detained, 2 detained drones spawned every

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time. And then at the start of damage
and partially between damage, phonetics spawn like they do in
the hydrogen counter. And then we went from that's a
Wyvern. And then during damage you have
the big like serif tower death beam during damage in the Wyvern
encounter as well as the bouncing.

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It's a very chaotic the damage, but I would not like to have the
Wyvern mechanic in Hobgoblin. Right.
Yeah, because. Trying to go through those
portals, if someone's running through and they get boop that
it's over, that's it, you're done.
No extension for you. I think finally part of

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Hobgoblin that I really like though, because it has a final
stand now and. Yes, yes, yes.
So because for damage you start to the bottom, then you
teleports up and he stays telepotted up and then after
you've got to final stand you'lllike divide out into 3

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hobgoblins on the ground. You have to split the teams for
the buff, kill a hobgoblin that has that name with your buff,
then real final stand starts andit's the hobgoblin in the
middle, the main boss, the real boss, and then everyone has the
team and kill him in all of thatfinal stand.
It's really cool. That's wild.

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That's awesome. I love it.
And then final encounter is just, it's probably the most
unique encounter they've they'veput together.
By far, yeah. OK, It's, it's so very well
done. It's it's a lot of moving parts,
it's a lot of things getting involved.
But if you it's so strange you've never had an encounter

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where you can literally take breaks between phases.
Yes, that's so crazy because at teleports you got I didn't
understand what. Was going on out there.
You get it's like can do it like7 phases and each phase you can
do like a rally flag and you just.
That is a Final Fantasy raid thing.
That's what that was the most surprising thing.

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That's crazy how you can do verywell fantasy I I did so nice.
I didn't watch any of this. I like.
I was off all weekend, like hanging out with Jenny and
stuff, so I didn't watch any. That's insane that you were able
to take breaks. That's crazy.
So you have like very short initial phases, then you have a

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longer damage phase, then you have a final stand and it's
really, really like it. What's wild to me is that you
you did those short phases and then do like loads of burst
damage. Then you get to the the main
damage phase and then you do like ranged long damage and then
you do the the final stand and then it's back to short range
damage but it's longer. So, so it's right.

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So what loadout do you use for that?
Because I know snipers, people are using snipers for the
ranged, but I guess you get the rally in between, so it doesn't
matter as much, right? So.
It's not swap if. You haven't loadout for each
section each section. Yeah, not swap being irrelevant
because I heard that it's rally,right?
Yeah. So.
They're introducing that encounter while they had all

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this controversy around not swapI found hilarious, yeah.
It made it moot. It's just like, OK, so I have
this information gathering phasewhere I can just run ad clear,
rally to what I will use for fordamage, do that again two times,
right, then go to a long range, load out and then go back to my
short range and there's no consequence whatsoever.

(30:51):
Yep. So what the plan of Nats up
there? It it did absolutely nothing.
Somebody in Bungie is just laughing at this.
That's how they're going. They've done all this and
they're like suckers. We got you good.
We got you guys. Big chuckles over there.

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But I mean, really, how many? There have been so many times
where it's like the community just is like, this isn't going
to work. It's not going to work.
And it's kind of like, OK, let'sjust wait and see.
We finally see. And then it's like, Oh well,
that was no big deal. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but we also didn't know like to put it into perspective

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like we historically have never had.
We have never had a raid change this much.
No, no. Never, No.
Which is very interesting. If we had the old well, if we
had the normal version of DP in that version of the RAID, it
would have been understandable. But like, if I'm not mistaken,
this one was only -30 so it wasn't nearly as bad.

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Everything, everyone I've talkedto that did that race said that
this felt significantly easier adequate, like adequate wise
that unlike contest day one desert, it felt like they just
steamrolled in the, like, red bars.
Yeah. And then the damage itself for
all the stuff felt significantlyeasier than contest day one.

(32:22):
OK. Yeah, that's.
Because of that change. Yeah, I think part of it,
because original day one contestalso had the wrong delta, had a
higher delta than it should have.
It said it was -40 but this one was -30 I believe.
This was negative. This was -30 it was meant to be
-40 on the base day one, but it was higher like -47 or

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something. It it something went wrong with
the calculations or something, something somewhere and we were
still cleared. It was still obviously
managerial, but it required a lot of a lot of locking.
I-1 seem to require more perfection than.
Absolutely. When?
This past weekend. Because when we got, I mean,

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we've been pricing, we've done cut throats things like that as
as a team. And then when the introduced not
swap, I for me, I did practice on literally having a single
loader all the way through, makesure I could still clear those
damage checks because we didn't know if it's going to be -30 or
-40 So I prepared myself for -40.

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So it was a pleasant surprise for me.
I think the only one that we probably struggled with damage
wise was the Wyvern, but I was an absolute burger in that one.
So I did not hit my shots as well as I should have, but I was
a bit I was a bit all over the place on that one.
But the other two were very likeif you really locked in, you

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could probably two phase both ofthem.
Yeah, we had very com we had. One did.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, at least see
him did two phase most of the bosses, which was really crazy.
Yeah, that's what I saw. I think the most impressive part
of that entire weekend, though, for me was Lama's team.
They they, they, they pulled. They got the Hydra down in two

(34:14):
poles. They did, yeah.
And that seeing that like on contest, I was like, whoa, has
this ever been done to someone that ever like first tried or
second tried an encounter in contest ever?
I don't know it. Was crazy.
It was crazy. And they got to the boss first.
They were in there two hours, I think they were there in 2 hours
before, like anyone else got there.

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And then unfortunately, just like it was so complex, like it
just took so long for him to figure it out.
And everyone caught up. Something everyone caught.
Up and there were like, you know, 20 teams in there, and no
one was figuring out how to clear damage on that, you know?
So it was, it was. But yeah, Lama's team was a
little heartbreaking because I was.

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Yeah. Oh, man, because I love him.
He's so great. Like he's a great destiny.
Player, he's a great guy and like it's such an underdog
thing. I think because I, I don't, I
don't know that they've ever wona contest.
I don't think they have. They've they've placed, no one
was placed. Placed.
But I was like rooting for them so hard.
I mean, I'm so happy that that Vendetta won though, because

(35:17):
he's fantastic like that. Whole team, yeah.
I'm so happy for them, yeah. Squad especially like you know
like AT PS team but they were like the anti unk coalition.
Is that about vendetta? Are they just talking shit about
Vendetta because they call Vendetta unk?
But like, man, I'm such a huge fan of his.
Like he is such a good little man gamer and speedrunner and

(35:40):
he's such a nice all around guy.So like I was so happy because
they were replaying like the clear and they were jumping up
those platforms to get to the final boss and he was like, he
was like, oh, still got it. And I'm like.
Yeah. I'm so happy about that.
But yeah, Loma's team, I was like really, really hoping that
they would clear fast. But OK, that's a talented team.

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It's very talented, like. Very talented team, so yeah,
yeah, hopefully. Doing kind of like minor sort of
scouting type thing, Sammy. So I went what?
I'm kidding. Go ahead.
Well, I wasn't asked to be a scout.
I kind of just did it OK, but I went through and I was watching

(36:28):
like 1314 streams at one time trying to find out who was in
the lead, and that was really fun.
It was really cool to see that there were some people where
it's like they would get to the second encounter really, really
fast and then they would just spend so much time on there to

(36:51):
where there's three or four teams that would just pass them.
So I have this entire spreadsheet where I just like
checked it off. Some teams that came in or took
a really, really long time at first ended up getting to 3rd
within like the top within 10, the top ten teams.

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So it was really, really cool towatch really, really cool to see
him. But what was even cooler is I
had these like probably more than 1314 on final boss.
I had him in these multi stream windows and the health bar just
didn't move whatsoever. It just was completely still.

(37:39):
So trying to find out whose health bar was going to move
first was was really cool to watch.
That's. Sick.
How was how was the viewing experience for day one like
since Bungie had their own overlay that everybody?
Had it was way better, way better.
Yeah, yeah. It was definitely better.
I, I like the, the stream requirements that they added.

(38:00):
I think that was, I think that Ithink generally a lot of people
agreed with that. It's like it's just a much
because they need to balance theviewership experience as well as
the competitive experience because at the end of the day,
don't want to sit and watch nothing right.
I mean, I know, I understand youhear the audio cues and music
changing things like that, but it's it's nothing like seeing

(38:24):
someone like or something suddenly happening that hasn't
happened before appearing in an account or what's happened?
What's changed what what they do?
What do they do to trigger this?And then I think evidence CB do
such a really good job of covering this.
I don't think there's a better way this could have been done

(38:46):
OK, because I think the first time I've caught them doing
anything like this because I've always been running it was the
solo raid tournament that they covered.
That was my first and it was so fun the so full of life doing
it. I'm so glad they got this

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platform now to do it for the like the contest raids and
stuff. They.
Are so talented, so nice to as casters.
Like it's all it's, it's such a very natural feel to watch.
It doesn't feel false enough. It feels like it's our place.
It's brilliant. And they're doing the next

(39:27):
covering of the solar rate tournament, which is like a
speed run tournament also. It's just gonna be a lot of fun
to watch. Heck yeah, man.
Well, it sounds, it sounds like,for the most part, like it was.
It was a round, rousing success.Yeah, like I think the the red
team cooked. They did such a good job at

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making this actually an epic rate.
It did feel like, it felt like, I think there's the only gripe I
had with it was my bad energy atloot.
Yeah. Because I the only weapons I got
were from the original. Oh no, I don't know none of the
new ones until I did again on normal, which is real shame.

(40:10):
Which I feel like if you're doing the contest raid, you
should be, they should have limited the loophole to the new
stuff that was coming, right? But that's or heavier weighted
personal thing. Yeah.
But they have now because they've got the original quest
for the shader, which then leadsinto the quest at the end of the
epic raid, which allows you to attune to loop.
So you can like once you complete that, you can focus the

(40:33):
both the old and new gear, whichis a very good way.
And I think ideally I think thatwould be a good idea to
introduce earlier, but that's personal RNG, right?
But I had a lot of fun other. Than that, yeah.
I saw Page mentioned that like he was like, I if I could please

(40:56):
not get any of the of the old Luke.
Yeah, in the new thing, please. That would be wonderful.
Thank you. I think that.
I think that's it stems to like the current core issue that they
have is the loot isn't isn't there for what we're doing.
There's nothing to chase actively currently.

(41:20):
Yeah. Beyond Mint Retrograde, which
has been now sold at Zavalor andnow on 4 focus days in the same
week, right so. One thing that I did see was
that there's some sort of controversy around somebody from
Bungie giving A-Team like mechanics spoilers or help.

(41:44):
Yep. So you know those super short
damage phases you weren't about for final?
Yeah, you can make them super long.
And that was, that was the tech that they were, that was leaked
to the team after World's first within about 15-20 minutes, I
think. OK.
For why I was hit the scene. So after world's first was
cleared, that was sort of figured out.

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We were in bed because we did upto we did the first foreign all
like mini bosses. Then we went to bed because we
wanted to maintain sleep schedules for people working and
stuff on Monday morning because we were capping ourselves till
about Sunday. We didn't think we were going to
take until that time because theway we practice, we've done
really well. So we thought rather than beat

(42:28):
ourselves in at the wall tired trying to figure this out, we go
to bed, wake up, refresh trying to figure it out.
If it has been figured out, cool.
And we just went with it. And the first thing we saw was
that strut how to make the longer phases after we've got
the we got the damage that's really short.
How do we extend that? And then we looked into it and
said, oh, that OK, That's, that's how you do it.

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That's how you're meant to do it.
Then we found out later that that strategy was sort of leaked
OK, because the way the way Saltzkin the Elysium team
cleared it was through those shot damage races.
If I remember correctly, they just.
They were like, this is we're going to treat this like the
like the original iteration and just say this is a really crazy

(43:12):
damage check and we're just going to muscle through it.
And they did with some kind of tractor, tractor kit in tech.
I think that's what Salt was saying they were using.
Yeah, tractor and withering Gay is his.
Yeah, Scout there. And yeah, it was.
But yeah, but then after they cleared instantly they like
there was a team that was going through that had much, much more

(43:33):
damage going into final. And like they were, they were
having like all the teams are having trouble clearing past
50%. And you needed to get to like at
least 60% in order to clear damage without the extended.
And like, and then you saw this one team going in and they were
already down to like 25% for final.
And you were like, how did they do that?
How did they get like, because everyone was like, is there are

(43:54):
we missing something? Because a lot of the teams were
looking around initially becausethe damage check was really
hard. They were like, are we missing
something? Are there portals?
Like are we supposed to like avoid this mechanic on final?
And then and then they were like, well, let's just, let's
just do it. And then everyone kind of like
settled into like, we're just going to do this damage check.
So So what is the extend mechanic?

(44:14):
So on that. The so the first.
So the way the encounter works is like you have a buff or
debuff so to speak, on the bottom left.
It's like a timer, like world line stability, and that is your
duration for damage and that slowly takes down.
So the lower that is, by the time you've finished the

(44:35):
mechanics, that's how long you have a damage phase.
OK. So essentially.
For the first, for the first damage phase, right when you're
shooting from far away, or for both?
From from close. From close, OK.
Yeah, the extension was on the close damage phases.
They were the really short burstones, but you can essentially

(44:56):
extend it. So you're doubling your damage
in those places easily. So the the long and short of it
is you get through all the mechanics.
You've got the Wiven that drops the crodons to don't get into
the hourglass. The team inside finishes their
mini game. They come out, open the crystal,

(45:16):
shoot it, you start damage. Now what people were doing to
brute force it was they were trying to get the they would
either gamble, so they'd have topick up a chronon, they would
align it, align the colour, pickup the Cronon.
If they went through it, they died.
It's not that colour and they would do it that way.
Or you'd wait till about 1/3 of the time at pet until you have a

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third of the time left on that damage phase.
It would reveal the colour and then you would finish the mini
game, shoot open the crystal, shoot it.
But doing that it changes the colour for the next damage
phase. Now if you don't, if you open
the crystal and don't shoot it, it keeps that Cronon colour for

(45:58):
the next damage phase. So rather than having 2 short
ones, you can do that, do the damage phase and then do both of
those faces again. So you have a 2 longer burst
damage phases before you can getto the the third main long range
damage. Phase one, yeah, yeah.
So you could go from having about 5-10 second damage phases

(46:20):
to having like 1015 seconds quite easily.
That's crazy. It's for.
No one figured that out though. Like.
Yeah, until until after. Well, fast to clip and it just
suddenly appeared. Yeah.
So this and it was someone, a tester from Bungie who was I

(46:41):
believe on indebted originally. OK, it was a guy from the
world's first Salvations Edge team who had been hired.
After that raid, yeah. After that raid, yeah.
OK. And they had become a RAID
tester, so they had already doneboth versions of DP.
Yeah. OK, they knew about that.

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Gotcha. OK, so they they knew the test.
That's where the controversy came from.
Yeah, sure. Yep.
How did that get found out? Did they like?
Did they do it on stream or did they like?
They did it on stream OK. Gotcha.
Yeah, that's and it was like a very obvious and from what I've
seen and posted around is a verysudden switch on like it was

(47:24):
going for like there was a very little delay from Wells first at
that sort of Strat pairing. I said it was about 1520 minutes
or something like that from. Heard OK.
After the clear. Fairly after the clear the team
like took a quick like 5-10 minute break then came back and

(47:46):
was like trunking damage. Gotcha.
Yeah, they just. Yeah, it was obvious what was.
Going on? Yeah.
That's there's. No little lead to it.
Yeah, that's a little wild. So like the Rev had brought up
like Bungie number members are not allowed to partake in the
raid until after the world's first.

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So like they completed world's first had they had they like
confirmed world's first all the time that this trap as.
Far as I know it wasn't. They didn't put out the tweet.
They they put out the tweet. Was not out when that.
Option. Yeah, whatever.
Like someone cleared but clarifyit was.
Cleared, and it was world's first, but it had not yet been
all right. Officially by.

(48:27):
Bungee so Rev wants me to finishit out.
So Bungee members are not allowed to partake in the raid
until after World's First has been confirmed.
Not just merely cross the line, by the way.
That's right, I know they hadn'tbeen in the rain themselves.
They just told the team. Got you.
What you do? OK.
Which would have been that that little, that difference there,

(48:52):
Yeah. That's and that's one reason
that it was a controversy is people didn't know.
Did he break NDA? Like what's going on?
They've been let go from Bungie,so I guess like they did.
I had seen that too. I, I, I don't know, like
allegedly that they had been letgo.
I hadn't seen anybody. No official posts or anything,

(49:14):
but I don't think we would I. Mean we wouldn't so unless that
person said so so. Yeah.
So yeah, that's nuts. Overall, how do you feel like
this one compared to how this contest compared to the original

(49:36):
Desert Perpetual race? See, I I feel like because we've
sort of knew how this fundamentally worked, like the
core mechanics of each encounterwork are the final one.
It felt like it wasn't as much of A mechanic race or a

(49:58):
knowledge race. It was more of an execution
race, right? It's a very execution heavy
raid. But that being said, I think
it's definitely what because of how drastic the encounters felt
and how drastic they, even though they were at the call the
same, there was enough in there to make it feel different enough

(50:19):
and challenging enough for it tobe worthy of its own belt I'd
say. But I definitely feel like this
was easier, especially damage wise.
Plus we've had all this time to get the tier fives we've had all
the time since they changed the raid pool to like the raid power

(50:40):
rewards from feats as well, where it's easy to access tier
fives from there. Yeah, plus you've got the some
of the new armour sets bonuses, you've got smoke jumper, which
is ridiculously strong, is so overpowered it's insane That's
just from fire team OPS, some solo OPS yeah And essentially

(51:02):
you pick up an orb and you get 45% Dr. that pays to 15% over
like 3 seconds. So if you have attrition orbs,
people printing orbs from goldenguns because it's a very much a
super spam meta. It you're during damage, you are
untouchable, more or less. Yeah, Untouchable.
That's amazing. Now I know what I'm going to go

(51:22):
farm. Tonight I got you writing.
That down for later. That's awesome.
People farming up into Epic, they've been farming that since
ash and Iron. So I was like, yeah, anything
that carried or cleared was going to have a full set.
Yeah. I only even needed a two piece
for that to work. That's the two piece on us.

(51:42):
Even better. If you had the the look or the
willpower to farm Kepler armour,yeah, at tier 5 you'd have the.
Willpower. Yeah.
Because I am not sitting in a ina in a loot cave.
I'm sorry, I am not doing the solo OPS minds.
What's your power level, Sherpa?I am A5O3.

(52:07):
Yeah, I don't want to hear anything about willpower hanging
now. Not an addiction you've been.
Mining. I've just been playing the game
if I spoke out most of mine to be fair, I got most of mine
through like just playing. I'm better on go for weapons.

(52:28):
I wanted to on the rotations that they came out.
So like meant when that dropped,I found the activity that was
dropping for rather than just going to solo OPS because I just
could not I the way I've seen this, I if there's slew I want
to get, I'll go for that. I have fun with the gameplay.
The the core gunplay feel of destiny is so unique to me and

(52:51):
that's what holds it together for how I like the gun design,
the way they can sounds. I think the only time I was in
solo OPS is when the bow was around for the that's the high
impact bow because I still don'thave the role I want on that,
which is sad, but I will go. I want, I want the attrition

(53:15):
orbs and kinetic tremors and it's just not, it's just not
happening. It's so sad.
Oh, tell us about Withering Gaze.
Because there was apparently people were because of the
ranged damage. People were using Wither Wither
and Gaze as a debuff instead of other selected debuffs.
Can you talk about that a littlebit?
Or Epic Dan, whoever. Yeah, it's because it's of the

(53:40):
rotation because you can't hit them with tractor from that far
right, right, right. So and you're not going to use
tether or there's no other 30% debuff you can apply to it.
The only one you can apply is range weakens like your we can
snap bombs, your Withering Gaze and if anyone was using
division, but you could replace division with a legendary

(54:02):
withering gaze. It's just so it was so good for
that particular situation. Very situational, right?
It didn't need the crit from Division either because it's got
a massive fucking head. Yeah, it's like.
If you're not hitting your. Crit.
You're not clearing anything you're missing.

(54:24):
If you're not hitting that, I amsorry.
It's just a giant orb in the sky.
It's just a ball. Exactly that, and I think
because Paige was our resident de buff champion and he had the

(54:44):
sniper from Revenant stowed awayin his vault from Withering
Gaze. After all, I thought, we call
it. This is why we hold.
This is why we hold. Man, do you like the withering
gaze it's in. There, it's in my fault
somewhere. And it came in culture.
We used used that for the encounter.
It is so good. That's so good.

(55:04):
Because then you could apply thewithering Gaze, put your
finalities auger up, and then just fire him in and then go
back to the sniper. It was it was good.
Yeah, that's wild. Call me a hoarder gang, OK?
Do what I did. I'm waiting.
The. Game like it's supposed to be
playing. Ted Lee has newspapers stacked
up in her house. Like just 7 or 8 cats just

(55:24):
walking around. Just waiting.
That's accurate. Yeah.
I love it. I love that that I love that
that small detail because I guess I think you also use.
It on another hard coupling actually.
Yeah, no, I think that I think that Vendetta was the one who
pulled out that tech first that we saw.

(55:46):
But it was, it was so interesting to me because I'm
like, I really hadn't heard people talk about it as like a
like a debuff utility, right? Because people are traditionally
using tractor, but even on even on hobgoblin, like because of
the way the final stand mechanicworked.
And I feel like you were doing more range on that one also,
even though like usually you would be doing it up close.
So it's like so interesting thatthey're pulling out this, this

(56:09):
different type of debuff. I guess you never know what's
going to be useful. And now I want one.
I want one. What what I think I don't know
if we kept doing it, but what wehad to see would apply a tractor
on the the ground floor and thenfly withering gaze to extend it
while it was up top, yes. OK, yes, yeah, because you can,

(56:29):
you can also apply tractor on immune, right And then like
yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can pre apply it, yeah.
So I was. It was just good to see.
Yeah. See random perks come out of the
woodwork. I was just.
I'm honestly just really happy that Peacekeepers have seen the
light of day that they deserve. So they didn't disable them for
the raid then? No, because people were really,

(56:52):
like, expecting them. I was expecting them, yeah, I
was expecting them to be. However, we only use them for
Hydra. Really interesting because
everything else was burst, all long range.
Right, right. And I think it was again back to
the nut swap thing. I went into the long range

(57:13):
damage thing with like 4 loadouts that I could just use
so just completely negating the knot swap because I went from
grand overture into clouds Drakeinto the new exotic rocket pulse
and if I had to but into outbreak if it was long enough
to dump all our. Dump all Yeah, yeah, I love it.

(57:36):
Thank you. Over the past couple weeks, like
we've missed out on like a couple of you've missed out on a
couple of twins and everything I'm seeing here just like just
real quick, like it looks like they're adjusting the the power
climb again. Yeah, they're adding some.
Really are. Yeah.

(57:58):
Like I feel like for me, I feel like the nature of the power,
right isn't like too bad. Like I don't mind a long grind.
It needs it's the sustenance. What do I get from this grind?
What am I grinding for? What my grind towards as a goal
here? The only thing I have to grind
for is the tier fives, which youcan get beyond 450, which is

(58:21):
great, but then it's like, what do I go for beyond that?
It's conquests really. But then repeat conquests don't
do much. So it's like what my what is the
point of going beyond this arbitrary limit that makes tier
fives drop easier? Yes, we we don't have that depth

(58:47):
at the moment. I guess, I guess what's the next
big thing that's going to require that right?
It's. Going to be the Renegades
contest. Dungeon, yes, Yeah.
Correct. Yeah, but in Renegades we're
getting our light level reset, so.
Yeah, down to 200. Yep.
I do like that the finally putting the bonus drops like the

(59:10):
bonus N grams as potential primerewards as well.
So it does incentivize rotating through.
But again, it's just for arbitrary number go up.
There's no activity or that requires it.
Like trials has dumped the the power requirement now there's

(59:30):
nothing right? The only thing that in game
that's required is conquests andthe epic the raids on launch at
200 and 300 power respectively. Right.
Yep. See isn't even that bad of a
claim. No.
And then it again. It's just then your access to
tier fives, which if you're doing things like low ones and

(59:50):
and your contest stuff, you're going to go for that, which
makes sense. But beyond that, there's not
really any activity to to far fall or nothing to to grind that
at the moment. And that's had the previous
incentive like we did. Don't have GM's anymore.
Like where's my material farm man?

(01:00:12):
Where's the next where we're going to get my golf?
Balls that kind of leads to likethe situation where we are now
right like and I know Sammy, youwanted to kind of touch on this
about like where the community is now posts posts everything I
know like I saw that dado was like, hey, I'm taking a break
for a while. See ya.
And we've seen friends like above also saying hey.

(01:00:36):
I'm going to I'm. Going to take a break, right?
Yeah, a lot of people are takinga break until December, which is
understandable if things aren't really changing at that, like,
speed. But like seems like the
community is like getting reallyweird.
Around people leaving. They're getting really weird and

(01:00:58):
this is what's even stranger is that they're getting really
aggressive towards each other. And that's what's super bizarre
about it is that people are like, oh, you still play
Destiny, You shouldn't do that. You're making the problem worse.
Don't give Bungie credit anything like that.

(01:01:20):
You even say a little nice thingabout Bungie and you have just.
God forbid we enjoy something. It's just, it's, it's very
negative. It's very bad.
A lot of creators, a lot of Sherpas that I've heard are just

(01:01:40):
being bullied about it and saying, oh, if it weren't their
livelihood, this, that, then they would, they'd be able to
see it clearly. I mean, it's just been really
bad. And that's what I'm afraid of is
the community is going to make the game.

(01:02:03):
I don't want to say they're going to make it worse, but I
feel like they're going to. They're going to make the game
worse in a lot of ways. They make her feel guilty to
enjoy when it's actually good. Yeah.
Yeah. I think for me, when it came to
like Ash and I and for me as faras his entire DLC it goes, has

(01:02:26):
probably been my biggest disappointment in terms of
because it was labeled as a major update and it's got to be
the size of into the light. Like sure, we got the three maps
for reclaim, which they were really cool.
I like, I mean, it's plague lands.
It didn't have the same essence as it did, but it's good to have
the three different maps. And they said, but because to

(01:02:48):
me, Into the Light was we had like what 10 weapons?
They're all really good with this.
We've had we have the void rocket, which was honestly dead
on arrival because of its perk pull and then the void wave
frame. But there's no real active way
to farm for those. And they were there for a week

(01:03:09):
and then you had the cup of armor sets that have dropped and
then the raids after, which has some really cool stuff, but it
felt very stop, Start, Stop, Start, Stop, start for things
coming out. Right.
Compared to when you like, oh, into the light, it was just
boom, it's all there except Mafia yards.
No one plays Mafia yards, sloth yards as I call them.

(01:03:33):
But it didn't have that same factor.
And there's a lot of things thatit was had the right feel of
nostalgia with the right sense of new and that sort of thing.
I had forbearance, power creeping forbearance, which was
very funny to me, but wasn't really much depth to it.

(01:03:56):
But the base age of it I truly enjoyed because I really like
the story and the way I saw it because they didn't announce law
of activities. I saw it as a very much a this
is a core systems reshape, foundational reset.
That's where the resources are going to be with the team size
that they have. So I wasn't expecting an
abundance of activities, an abundance of stuff off the the

(01:04:20):
get go. But obviously then you had the
portal system, which at its core, I feel it had a lot of
potential. And then obviously has had a lot
of issues with as the power grind and such going forward.
Yeah, but hopefully that has, Yeah, I wouldn't not have been
mad with them delaying Edge of Fate like 6 months or so to get

(01:04:44):
this portal system to the way itis in its state now or its way
it's going to be in like the next week or so.
To think it at the moment, it's so close to being perfect.
And when they add the bonus backgrounds, surprise thing,
that's going to be the sweet spot.
I just don't know if it would have survived that long.

(01:05:05):
Yeah, like it's like community. No.
So it's. Make AD three, make AD 3 and
and. I think that that would be
great, but I also know that it would not deliver what people
expect. Yeah, it.

(01:05:26):
Wouldn't they want it? Wouldn't it wouldn't give people
what they they think that they want?
Yeah. If anything, there would be a
dearth of activity that they would then have to make up.
Yeah, they would have to make upover years and years and trial
and error and trial and error and yeah, is that worth it at

(01:05:48):
that point, you. Could probably have to be on the
other side of that because I wasa person who felt that D3 was
unnecessary for a while. To be honest, though, I think
nowadays if Bungie actually cares about people that have
left or have retired or just wants to get away from community

(01:06:14):
sentiment around D2, yeah, you kind of have to move on.
Like there's just no way around that.
Yeah, because community sentiment from for such an old
game now cannot change for Destiny 2 no matter what.
Yeah, it's it's unless they do afortnight revamp.
Yeah, one second there's. No way you can at this point.

(01:06:36):
So I think a lot of people feel that D3 is necessary and not
because you probably will have afair amount of stuff pulled
over. And I personally am OK with that
because there are certain systems in D2 that are perfectly
fine but is just surrounded by alot of stuff that could be
either removed or worked. Obviously most players would

(01:06:57):
want AD three that is super fresh from the ground up.
I'm a realist. I don't think that's going to
happen, you know. Yeah, well, I think it could
happen, but it will take a. Lot of time, a lot of resources,
I don't think. People actually want that.
I mean, one of the reasons I think D2 was so good is because
it was essentially D1 but addingPC, which is a really pleasant

(01:07:19):
way to play the game. And then I'm, I was in a mouse
and keyboard, it's like, and it completely upgrades the
experience. So, but I, I think if people, if
from D1 to D2, if they had made a completely different game,
people would be mad like even changing something like the
like, you know, playing like first person versus third
person, like something like that, like that.
People would be so mad, like honestly.

(01:07:41):
Yeah. I think they need.
That's just a tough one now. A big change.
I definitely think they need a abig change and a new game would
do that. I just feel like what people
would expect they'd get from a new game isn't realistic.
Yeah. The worry is that they're going
to give AD 3 and then we're justgoing to have the same situation

(01:08:04):
where every six months we get Gallahorn back in and we get
Icebreaker. I think that's, that is super
valid because that would be my main worry because as a
developer you have all these assets, you definitely want to
keep those assets around somehow.
So it's understandable that you would want to keep all this work

(01:08:24):
from the last decade. But it was new, you know?
Yeah, that's fair. But like even then you're
looking at a few years out, which might be good to give
like. It would be a long time, if
we're being honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a long time. Like.
And then it also ruins, well, not ruins, but that really just

(01:08:45):
hard stops D2. Yeah, they would have to put
this game on life support like they did Destiny one, and then
really focus on making D3. And it's, I don't know if they
can afford that. Yeah, well, especially.
Right now, Marathon. Yeah, that's what Marathon is.
Right now and all the concerns around marathon and like you

(01:09:06):
know, because destiny at the endof the day is their cash cow.
It's their big. It's.
An only cow? No.
They only have one cow I know like me in Vegas.
Only one moolah. This is their planet Moolah.
This is Bunju. 'S planet Moolah full.
Circle, you know, they got to milk the the planet Moolah as
long as they can, you know? Yeah, true.

(01:09:29):
You're not wrong, Tiddly, you'renot wrong.
I like it when you say that. I wish my husband would say that
more. Well, that recording was pretty
clean, so you could probably putthat on a button somewhere.
One of those Staples easy buttons, yeah.
Yeah, I believe. That.

(01:09:49):
Yeah. Yeah, one of those.
All right, Well, this has been agreat conversation so far.
Shall we get into some community?
Hold on. That's words now.
I remember, yeah. Shall we get into some community
questions? I would love to.
Let's do it, Sammy Cat, would you mind reading the question

(01:10:16):
from Who's Eddie? Where's it at?
It's a. It's a in the document toward
the moment, toward the. Oh, you already put it in the
document, Yes. OK, yes.
I see. I see, is the epic raid enticing
enough to have any of you wanting to play it in the next

(01:10:40):
week or so? Honest man, I guess I'll kick
this one off. I'm like, I'm going to Germany
in like less than a couple weeksnow.
And right now I'm I'm in this, I'm in the space of like I have

(01:11:01):
so many other things on my plateright now that I can't really
focus on maybe getting that knocked out of the way before
going on this trip. If I'm able to.
That's going to be cream that like the cream on top, but I'm
not. I haven't actively reached out
to anybody to be like, hey, can we knock this out before I
leave? So if it happens, it happens.

(01:11:23):
But I'm not. There's just a lot of other
games going on right now and a lot of other things going for
your attention. Fair enough.
Yeah, that's it's I, it's going to be weird coming from me
because I've always been like just rates, just rates, rates,

(01:11:45):
rates, rates, rates. But like had I feel like this is
a 2 fold answer for me. Had the epigrade been the had
the epigrade came out a few months ago, I think sentiment
around it would have been significantly higher.

(01:12:09):
Even though the epigrade in my opinion is arguably the best
rate they've done. And I think that's not a high
take because the final boss is just, it's just.
It's one of our kind. Chef Kiss, it coming out right
now was the worst thing the raidcould have done.
It's just, it's, it sucks because it's such a good version

(01:12:29):
of a RAID and it's so good. It's just the timing.
It's just the timing of it is terrible, Like if Desert
Perpetual, it came out right after Into the Light in Pantheon
would have been so good. But it just coming out right now
with all the other games and just all the other games.

(01:12:52):
Just been drowned out with everything just.
Just. Say this.
Is too crowded. For you I just see no reason.
Also, the player bases moved on to some extent at this point.
So it could be amazing, but people have like retired or
moved on or playing other things.
Right now. I guess it's kind of connected,
but. Well, if you saw Glad had posted
about it where this is going to be the first.

(01:13:12):
This was the first contest raid that he decided not to do in all
of Destiny and and he was quite bothered by that.
And he's like, I just don't, I don't see it being something I
want to do right now. I would bring negative energy to
the team. And then he was afterwards like,

(01:13:34):
OK, I totally eat my words. Right.
Yeah, but I don't think people were expecting what it ended up
being. Because I've been expecting
something like super. Different either they were
expecting it to be like prestigeor like a master iteration with
where there were minor changes. I was not expecting it to go 8
hours, I was expecting like 2 Max based on previous and then
the final encounter and it turned out to be this whole new

(01:13:55):
amazing thing. So I.
All that said, I got I looked atit and I wash it and I
personally felt more like glad when I was surprised, I wasn't
envious. I wasn't doing it.
And that really shocked me. I watched it and I was like,
this is really cool, man. This is really sick.

(01:14:15):
Yeah, but I never got the clan was I was like, you didn't.
Have. Something what I had done, I
didn't have it well and that really worried me because like I
had clan mates who were like let's get a team together and I
was like, I'll try, but like I'mnot.
I just feel like. It's not I'm not feeling.
It and that's what's surprising to me.
Like when you said that you hadn't run it, Dan, like I was

(01:14:37):
like like preparing for this episode.
I was like, oh, epic, Dan will have done it by now.
Like like, I'm sure, I'm sure. I had a lot of activities
surprised that I just didn't, you know, partially of it was
because the date change, I had ateam and then when the date
change, one person like I gotta work.
I'm going out of time for work. Yeah.
And I was like, I can't, I can'tconvince someone who has a total

(01:14:58):
like career to like stop. And then I had another person
who was like, well, I'm just going to do my own thing.
I don't feel like waiting. And I was like, that is totally
valid. And then every person I asked,
they were like, I'm not doing this raid or I got to work or
they just had some other reason.And they were just like, I'm not
super interested in doing anything.
And I was like, you know what? I've tried, it's about two weeks
out. I really, if it happens, it

(01:15:20):
happens. I was still under the mindset
that like it was going to be oneextra person running or
something I thought was really. Yeah, because.
I wouldn't know. And then when I watched it, I
was like, man, this is really cool.
And I still didn't feel like I was having FOMO for the first
time in a raid. And I hadn't missed a single
contest raid since taking King, so I've been there.

(01:15:43):
For every. Single one.
I didn't watch it, I played Borderlands.
Yeah. And I, I, I was streaming and I
had up on this screen raid zone and I would just tab in just to
see if someone cleared in that. And once it was cleared, I just
exited out. I was OK.
Well, I know who won, but I never like watched it outside of

(01:16:08):
seeing who was in the lead, the first encounter, second counter
and all that. And I just wanted to see the
final boss. And up until then, up until the
final boss, I was like, OK, cool, obviously, OK, a few extra
things to do, cool. Then when I saw the final boss,
I was like, yo, this is really dope.

(01:16:29):
I'm happy for those playing right now, but I wasn't.
Like. OK.
Because I expected a year ago me, if this had happened, I
would have been like instantly who can I find right now that
does have a team for me to get into this right now?
And I didn't have that feeling, which was very new, interesting
for me. Now, obviously when the contest

(01:16:51):
of the dungeon comes out, I'll be there, but I don't know why.
Maybe it was just because of thetime and all that.
But I just, I don't see this raid.
I don't see me doing this raid the next week unless someone
reaches out like, yo, we need one.
You got some time. But yeah, sure, I'll join.
But like, I'm not being proactive because I have other

(01:17:12):
stuff. I'd rather be spending my time.
I'd rather play Gossaviote in two days versus.
That's right, you know? Which looks incredible, Samir
tiddly. What about you guys?
Are you are you going to be hopping in sometime in the next
week? Probably not the next week.

(01:17:32):
I have some people that are going going to be going in for
my first clear for all bow on Tether Hunter.
So I'm just waiting for that. Right.
But yeah, once we we planned that, then I'm going to be going
in. I am going in on Friday.

(01:17:57):
I just usually I like doing likenew raid stuff first week.
So I want I would love to get itclear and I saw the final, I saw
the final encounter. I'm like I want to get in there.
That looks cool. So yeah, I will be running it.
I'm running it stacked. It's gonna be I'm running it
with Rev. This sounds fun. I'm actually running it with Rev
and CG and Bergen and they all. Oh yeah.

(01:18:18):
That sounds great. It's gonna be stacked.
Yeah. It's gonna be chill.
And it's amazing. It's like some really fun people
to play, so I'm gonna have a good time doing it.
We're washed. You're not washed.
You guys are so good. But I was.
I was thinking about this. I was thinking about, because
we, we've had a lot of discussions on Destiny Digest
about the content schedule and the changes and the resourcing

(01:18:38):
at Bungie, especially like pertaining to Destiny 2 versus
Marathon. And like how much, how much like
money and time they're giving the devs to work on it.
And like with this new content schedule of trying to like do
like one raid and one dungeon, right?
And how like the dungeon contestreally elevates that a little
bit and makes it more special. So like maybe having that during

(01:19:00):
a season isn't as bad, but I, I,I was just watching the raid and
I was like, well, I mean, I knowthis all happened before the
Pete Parsons, Justin Truman transition, but I was like, are
they over delivering? What are they doing?
And I was like, now we're now they say epic raid.
This is what we're going to expect.

(01:19:21):
Like if they don't do something on this level, people go be
pissed, you know? But I, I, we're going.
To get an epic dungeon. Oh my God, right.
That would be so amazing. Because I think we have been
talking for like years about like, what could they do to make
this very different? Like maybe this door opens up,
maybe like you go in and it's this whole new thing and they've

(01:19:42):
never done that. This is the first time they've
done something like that. And I loved it and I want more
of it. And for me, for me answering my
own question, which feel free toanswer my question too, is I
feel like it does help in terms of this content schedule,
elevating it a little bit more and making it more beefy and
making it more content. Which is what I feel like the

(01:20:02):
community needs in order for thegame to persist and thrive.
Right, absolutely. So being having that raid
compare having the raid epic raid be compared to what Final
Fantasy community says are savage raids, which I people
kept telling me this is like a savage raid where you have a

(01:20:22):
super different raid version of a raid you already did, but way
more complex, totally different systems.
And they were like, this is whatwe play in Final Fantasy.
And I was like, interesting because I've heard nothing but
fantastic things about Final Fantasy raids.
And I personally like that they're leaning in this this
way. If you're making every raids
like this then I will miss another one.

(01:20:45):
I'm happy that it's not just like a master version of wage
where it's just more health. Some champions, right, right.
The champion, like I like champions.
They're fun to throw in here andthere as an extra complication,
but just adding them for arbitrary difficulty just wasn't
it. Like master raids originally
just did not hit as. No this hit.

(01:21:06):
Different pressure. Yeah, this, yeah.
I mean, but as I said, it's likeit's now, this is now the
standard. This is the standard.
Yeah, they've totally standard. Yeah.
It's and they constantly hit this bar.
Yeah, they have to now. I think they.
Really do they can't afford to not hit at this point.
I love it though, but it really is counter to sort of like the

(01:21:28):
the over delivery, like don't over deliver because I think
that they did exactly that here.I think they over delivered,
they raised expectations and I want more of it.
I think it's fantastic and I loved it.
Somebody in my chat today also made the comment and I don't
know if this is actually true ornot or where they got it from,
that it wasn't just an epic raidlike an epic raid, but it was an
epic raid like EPOCH because it changed the story of the raid.

(01:21:53):
And I. Love that.
I love that interpretation. That as well like that was one
of my favorite features is that it followed the storyline of the
original race and the law behindit going into and the events of
edge of Fate story as well. It followed it along very nicely
and we've not had I don't know if we've had that before with

(01:22:14):
the prestige rate or anything like that.
No, because I can't remember. I think prestige levy once or
twice didn't really get into rating.
Yeah, I didn't really get into rating until.
That wasn't. That was not.
Any other prestige raid and every hard mode before this was

(01:22:36):
literally just, well, an extra scion.
Yeah, you can tell it was very, very simplistic compared to
this. It's not even close.
I wish they had been more upfront with that.
Like I know they didn't want to spoil it but I wish they had
said this is I don't know how they could have said it but I
wish they had said this is a totally different rate or

(01:22:58):
something like this. Do you think they would have
that would have changed like community expectations though,
or like because I know there wasa lot of negative chatter going
in, particularly pertaining to the non swap.
Absolutely and and and and some some chatter also about the
changed requirements for obscuring different parts of of
the stream, the streaming requirements there.
There are a lot of changes that they made and a lot of like kind

(01:23:20):
of like quibbles and negative community sentiment.
But do you think that like if they had said, well, this is
going to be? My biggest, my biggest issue was
them saying this was another world's first race and
historically every time they've had a world's first race for a
higher difficulty, it didn't make sense for it to.
Be an age because. It wasn't the same.

(01:23:41):
And I even saw this podcast whenthey first announced that I said
there's no reason to have a world's first race because what
are we gonna do? Are you gonna make this?
We already know this entire raid.
Yeah, it's totally not worth it.Yeah, this is absolutely worth a
world's first race. Absolutely.
Yeah. I feel like, I feel like the
belt winner should, I mean super, super proud like that.

(01:24:01):
Like it was actually how long did it take for them to clear
the final boss? Like it was at least 2/3 of the
time I think. Most of the time was on the.
Encounter, yeah, like they cleared the first, like all the
teams are clear in the first three, like in very short order
because it was more about like the execution and like figuring
out some minor mechanics changesand then they got to the last

(01:24:22):
encounter and people were dumpedit was nobody to.
Do so that final boss was not the like if if someone were to
have only done the first the normal version of that boss and
went into the final boss of Epic, you wouldn't know what to
do. You have a little bit of
information because you can likedo the thing where you walk the.
Little mechanics because it was like mechanic mechanics light,

(01:24:44):
right, like the like. I mean, you can talk about that
Sherpa a little bit because you,you know.
Totally different. But it was it was it was like
because I think that there like I was watching it look like some
of the mechanics for the different, like the three bosses
that were in the final boss werelike similar.
There was like baby baby mechanics or things that were.
Connected yeah, like tiny mini games in there for like, yeah.
It's like. You do like the like you do the

(01:25:06):
three different minions each of the bosses, so you get a
different crystal to shoot. So you have to kill the mini
boss to then open the crystal tobe able to shoot that the
crystal sort of thing. So but they weren't because they
weren't overly complex individuals.
There's just a lot of different moving parts that had to be

(01:25:28):
figured out. And it was a case because I
think it also was a bit jarring because depending on what order
you got to the final boss would change what order things would
happen. What boss did you get to in the
final encounter as well? What mini games you would do
first? So like people would be like,
oh, say if someone was on the higher job in a game first and

(01:25:50):
then that's their last one, they're like, oh, how did they
get through the other two? Well, they actually can.
They're still on the first one figuring that out, so you have
no idea what someone could actually be in that race at that
point because you might not havefollowed what order they've done
it because that didn't become apparent until later on.

(01:26:10):
Right. There was one team, I think they
had network issues, I don't know.
They had gone back to orbit and then when they went back in,
yeah, someone disconnected. I think when they went back in,
they went back into a different encounter.
Oh, crazy. Yeah, they went back into Hydra

(01:26:33):
instead of, what is it, the Wyvern?
And I wasn't exactly sure why I forgot to ask, but I found that
very interesting. Like, was there a reason for
that? But they're the only team that I
saw who actually went to a different encounter.

(01:26:54):
I know there were teams that traded with Hobgoblin and it
didn't count on their triumph, so they had to redo it.
Oh. No.
Way I know those those one we wetraded with the Hobgoblin on a
rerun. I think, I think I think it was

(01:27:15):
just on and all just at the end.But because we traded it, it
came up with the wipe screen, but we had cleared it.
So we didn't get any loot for the encounter, but it had
cleared and progressed the raid.So we went because our order was
hydro hobgoblin Wyvern. It didn't recognize that we'd

(01:27:37):
done hobgoblins. We didn't get the very the death
laser in the why the encounter. We got the detains instead.
That's the last known encounter that was cleared, I guess.
So it just move the order around, right?
It was so, so bizarre. Yeah, moving, moving to the next

(01:28:05):
question Gray Fox asks, what areyou in your communities doing to
keep keep the Destiny 2 play fresh and positive?
Are you guys having any any issues in your in your
communities with like negative discourse or I?

(01:28:26):
Wouldn't say negative, I say apathetic.
Discourse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I, I think for me, I'm, I'm an established streamer and
so like I have like a very core set of moderators and regulars
and none of them are going to bepulling any of that shit in my
stream. And like, you know, like there's
definitely like joking like I got.

(01:28:46):
So I came in second in the the chaos tourney for, for for for
bungee for the bungee foundationand they sent swag.
And so I got this amazing mouse pad that's half on and half half
Destiny and like, it's amazing. I showed it on stream today and
somebody in chat was like, haha,you have a mouse pad with two
dead games. So there's like a little bit of
joking and stuff like that. But like, for the most part,

(01:29:09):
like I, it's like in it's, you know, and I, I, I like, I, I,
you know, I give the game shit all the time too, but it's,
it's, you know, it hasn't been, for me at least it hasn't been
super unmanageable. Like if I want to play it, I
play it. We have fun playing it, Yeah.
You know, it's not nurturing that space, keeping it while
obviously you've got the the jokes and the bit banter around

(01:29:29):
it, right. There's that kind of there's the
obviously toxic discourse that you see and it's like you just
we just stamp that out and just move on from it because it's a
waste of everyone's time. No one wants to deal with it.
It we we play the game. We already know the state of
what it's in. We don't need reminding 24/7

(01:29:49):
about what what it's like. You know, right, right.
Yeah. And it's a case of you just if
there's an issue, sure. If there's any like any new
updates from we play that deliver that feedback and do it
respectfully and then move on from that, It's that's all we
can do. And it's all should really be

(01:30:10):
doing just keeping it professional really.
And then any, you know, abnormalities, any toxic little
shits, you just prune them off and get rid of them.
Yeah. Twist them, pull them, Don't.
Need time. No time for that.

(01:30:31):
Yeah, We haven't had too much ofthat.
It's just been. Yeah.
But what you guys had said earlier, just a lot of apathy,
just like. Yeah, is probably the best
because it's like, yes, I think a Buzz video was really good on
it, to be honest. I think he he nailed some some
points on the head for a lot of people of him stepping back.

(01:30:53):
And because it's completely fairand I think it's very
understandable with the state that it's saying that people are
taking steps back, but the they're doing so in a way that
they're not leaving the game. And I think that I think a lot
of people are taking people stepping back as they're
completely abandoning the game forever.
Yeah, like it's like it's. Not the case.
Like if you look at if you referback to like Dado's post, it's

(01:31:14):
like see you on Renegades. It's like always gone forever.
It's over it the. Game is dead, Dado was left.
Yeah. Dad has gone to.
It it's a lot. Coming back.
I saw God in the post, but what if?
Dado doesn't Destiny, Yeah. Yeah, it was just like, it's
like, it's like the and this rightfully says, like the

(01:31:37):
community is going to push him away from it.
Best on the game ever. What sort of thing?
Yeah, Yeah, it's that nail in the head.
But it's like, I think for me the biggest surprise was Jake
Take taking the lead from trialsfor I think I was the biggest
shocker to me of. Wasn't it like he was just like,

(01:32:00):
done? He's yeah, he's not playing it
for the foreseeable. He's going to try it and
Renegades, but he's not chasing it.
He's been doing it for 10 years and that patience of an absolute
madman it's. Everyone has their limits.
Yeah, absolutely. And again, it's perfectly

(01:32:20):
understandable, like you'll, if it there's something that comes
out that's good, then it wants to try it, it'll give it a go.
And that's, I think a lot of people aren't taking that away
from like these types of posts and videos people see.
And it's like they love the game, they want the game to
succeed. We all do.
That's why we play. That's why we deliver this
feedback and we're real about it.

(01:32:41):
But it's not like we want it to be in this way.
We're doing this because it's, it's how it is.
It's what we think of it. And it's been such a core part
of so many of us for so long. We've built so many friendships
and relationships through it. It's I'd say it's like I'm just

(01:33:03):
going to drop it forever. Yeah, I do feel about this.
So because, wow, we probably feel like it's.
Yeah, take your breaks. I do wonder how the devs feel
about a lot of their top creators and just creators in
general just not covering the game for multiple months.

(01:33:24):
Yeah. Even then, I would find that
alarming, yeah. Yeah.
Well, it's interesting because they just.
They just ash and iron just cameout and they they just put out
they just put out the epic rate.So to have like that happened
and then on the tail of that creators be like, well, I did
their epic grade. I'm done.
Goodbye you. Know and the Epic grade also did
not have nearly as much participation as they probably

(01:33:46):
hope. Interesting.
How was the viewership for it like compared to other like?
I know, but compared to not. Sure.
So I went and looked around and it was before world's first, the
highest ISIS was 48 K, and that sounds like a lot, but I think
Asta Cross had like 15 of it. Yeah.

(01:34:09):
And then a lot of the teams were, I don't know if it was
just a way because the way Twitch changes viewership can
only can only use numbers for a lot of stuff, but I don't know.
But like a lot of the numbers, Iexpected a lot of the teams and
the directory to have it was a lot less.
I think like desert Perpetual day one was like 100 and 10120

(01:34:34):
before World's first. So it is a very significant drop
off from viewership and players.Participation, yeah.
You know. And who knows what it what it
would have been like had it launched when it was intended to
and and on. And on and on.
Yeah, I don't really think the week the the change in the date
so suddenly like 2 weeks before effect.

(01:34:57):
That's why I was. Involved.
It absolutely did. Like because we had for our
team, like I had to swap. I'm quite fortunate in the way
that I can swap my my shifts around.
I know it's a terrible shift sometimes and it doesn't always
work, but the way I can take thethe time off is not as nearly

(01:35:18):
restricted as a lot of other people.
But we had two people that they couldn't make it. 1 was
essentially a funeral that that weekend.
So and then they had someone else is actually they were not
available that entirely. They already had stuff pre
planned and I also think the shift to Saturday start was a

(01:35:44):
bit strange. Yeah.
Because of I mean, I'm so happy that it's still 48 hours.
I much prefer it's much healthier overall.
Yeah, for teams because I would have it's again getting the
story. So sorry.
Right. It would have made it worse, you

(01:36:04):
think? Right.
I think because of the way time zones work, because if you say
on, if it starts on a Friday, it's probably early on the US
side, I don't imagine. It's like the newest.
Friday, yeah, it'd. Be like 10:00 AM.
So it's like the people be in work on on the Friday in the

(01:36:27):
morning that's. What I'm saying like a lot of
people are like, I can't do. It but then and then, but then
the flip side, you go to the Oceanics and you've got
Australia and New Zealand. There'll be a day ahead more or
less or yeah and then they'll beending up moving into easily
into Monday and they'll start the week.
So they might lose a day completely.
Yeah, starting like on Friday, they would have had the full,

(01:36:50):
their full weekend to participate, whereas if they
started for us in the States, would have started in Saturday.
If they don't clear like in a decent time, you're you're in
there a few hours before you gotto go into work Monday.
Yeah. And I know that's historically
been what people don't like is Saturday, well, Friday raids,

(01:37:14):
right, So. They tried.
Something it's. Always going to be that.
It's fine on that balance isn't enough of the time because
realistically I definitely think48 hours is the play, but then
obviously you've got the either side.
Some someone's going to lose because of time zones and it is
a shame, but it's the best they can do.

(01:37:35):
Yeah, yeah, at the end of the day, I feel like the time zone
issue should be centred around what's best for Bungie because
they need to deliver a raid thatdoesn't have error codes, that
doesn't have like disconnects, that doesn't have issues.
And for the most part I didn't participate, but for the most
part, from what I saw, they did an amazing job on that with

(01:37:56):
this. Release honestly, I had that's
what that's I think you did great.
I much more for a delayed rate that I cannot participate in
that is bug free and a great experience for everybody rather
than it's convenient and right on the nose and for for release.

(01:38:16):
But it's like it was on the day one desert perpetual.
It was just like no one was likeour our other than four hours of
it was easily just restart from Sprint.
Bugs and exotics not functioningbecause the purchase stopped
working. Not being able to heal at all.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, what a mess.

(01:38:37):
It was Do you feel? Like they have redeemed
themselves to some extent. I, I think this has been a very
well launched contest raid. I think it's done really well
and I think, I know DMG posted, I think after the last dev
stream that they weren't going to launch the contest dungeon at
launch all week 1. They're aiming for Week 2, which

(01:38:59):
is fantastic. I think that's a really good
play moving forward. And yeah, crazy, yeah.
And I think it gives them time to look at the sandbox, see
what's broken, see what's Bugsy when he's fixing what all
banning and sense of the ban list, and notice from the epic

(01:39:19):
raid there was a very small ban list.
Yeah, pretty small. I'm still stunned about
peacekeepers. Still stunned but.
I guess they knew you weren't going to be able to really use
them. I guess so you said one
encounter, 1 encounter. They were like.
I'm surprised people are using it on the like the final long
phase. I mean, I guess you could use

(01:39:40):
on. I mean I've been used on normal
but. I will say, how many teams do
you think? Well First off, did your team
clear with the The Sunder Doctrine exotic?
Yes. Because from what I've from
every team I saw they had to usethat exotic with the bait and

(01:40:02):
switch thing. Yes, we used that for we used
that and parasite they were there are two main exotics for
clearing. I found that very interesting
because I'm pretty certain I wasexpecting.
I was expecting the August SEPTAto be banned, not going to lie.

(01:40:22):
I was like because of it's supergem, it's really, really strong
for those types of down traces and the kind of method we're in
at the moment. So yeah.
Yeah. Because that's currently what
we're doing. It's not weapon rotations, it's
ability rotation. It's super rotation.
It's what weapons can you use toget to the supers and abilities,

(01:40:43):
right? So that's crazy to me.
That's crazy to me because it's like, what is the utility of
this weapon? Oh, I'm only going to use a
weapon for damage if it's broken.
Like the crossbow interaction that was broken, right?
Then you were using that one actually for damage.
But otherwise I'm just going to pick a weapon because of its
ability to generate a super. Yeah, like it's just so very
weird. It's just, it's so.

(01:41:05):
It's a very different. Trade off, I do miss the weapon
rotations quite a lot. I miss double slugs.
I really do. I was.
Auto loading the. I was so hoping for that to make
a comeback with the original Desert Perpetual, but the wolves
just kind of took over on that one still.

(01:41:29):
Epic. Dan, can you read the question
from a bullet away that I've highlighted blue in the
document, please? I know that a lot of people
aren't playing D2 right now, butI feel it's getting better.
Heat is gone and I know it's going to take time to build back
their Rep, but I haven't given up on them.

(01:41:50):
I'm still playing it but I feel like they Bungie needs to have a
face, someone to take responsibility and tell us it's
going to be OK like Jetbo tell us it's going to be OK like Joe
did in that video a year or two ago.
Anyone else feel that? So face for destiny.

(01:42:13):
In a way, yes, because Joe did alot of state of the Game stuff,
didn't he? He did a lot of those kinds of
posts, especially when it was actually they wanted.
Yes, he was very upfront with itand she was really good at
delivering those. So I feel like we are missing an

(01:42:35):
element, something like that. I would.
Say a long way to. Tell us like, what's going on?
Yeah, I don't know if we need a face, but a face is good.
But also any time something was wrong they always blame that
face so I understand why they probably don't want to face
again. I get that.

(01:42:56):
I mean that's why we got the thedestiny two teams team instead
of like DMG or something. I get that.
But I definitely think that likethey need to have some more
consistent line of communication, whether it be
viaducts or they need something to at least the community.

(01:43:18):
Well, and so something somethingto that is that like with Joe,
he had been a community figure for a long time, even before he
was director, right? Like he was the community face.
He was the community figure for Halo.
That's how I knew him. Yeah, he was.
He was a face that we trusted and that we knew.
And so when we had communicationfrom him about like, hey, this

(01:43:43):
is what we're doing. Like it was, it felt very
earnest. It felt, felt very earned with
that. With that being said, Tyson
Green, like outside of like the promotional material for Tyson,
like for Edge of Fate, we don't really see a lot of Tyson Green.
And like they're also not activewithin the community so much at

(01:44:05):
least on like a, on a developer community relationship basis.
So like I don't see that changing anytime soon.
And I definitely can't see TysonGreen.
Yeah, no, I I can't either because like you, just.
Become the father. Right.
Do we want another? Is Jover?
Like, I don't know how, I don't know, you know?
Yeah. And so like the closest that I

(01:44:27):
can think of to the face of Destiny right now is Dylan,
because he is the he's the community manager that handles
all of all of the. Patience of a St.
Well, yeah, patience of a St. Isn't.
A good thing? I don't know if that's a good
thing. I don't know if it is either.
Like especially a lot of stuff, but like he doesn't have any

(01:44:48):
swing, he doesn't have anything like power.
Now it's like while DM GS voice is very needed and nice, it's
sometimes I feel like it's hollow, which has nothing to do
with him because he can only communicate the information.
But he has no yeah, I just have the.
Sway to yeah. Right.

(01:45:09):
But like, yeah, so it like he's just, he's just the face and
like hopefully not the fall guy for for whatever happens.
Something that I am looking forward to is getting back to
having Rd. maps for the games and that that style of
communication, that is a way that they can communicate to us

(01:45:31):
without necessarily having somebody who has a face,
somebody who's the voice for that.
Because then it's like it just exists, right?
Yeah. There's nobody, you can't really
argue with a road map when it's out there for you.
So I'm, I'm looking forward to that.

(01:45:52):
I I hope that it doesn't have the same problem that we had
before. I could like, I could see Justin
Truman like maybe showing up andbe like, hey guys, like what's
going on? Like like he seems like an
affable enough guy that he couldmaybe do a state of the game
kind of thing like. Open up to change his his change

(01:46:16):
his change the community outlookof him of being the over
delivery guy. You think he does that to try to
like change it Maybe when I can see it because the moment he got
announced everyone was like the over delivery guy.
Yeah, I know. And like, and but then as soon
as like he got in, like, we start seeing these, these shifts

(01:46:37):
from Bungie of like, you know what?
Yeah, like, we need to listen tothis heavily.
And they started making like small changes here and there as
like as the weeks have gone on to where it it is definitely in
a better position than it was atlaunch.
It's just not where it's going to be when Renegades launches.

(01:46:59):
Right, I think there was a people are expecting a faster
turn around of that type of likethey saw, oh, Pete's gone,
Justin's in. It's going to be an immediate
switch over to some new things. That's that's going to take a
lot of time for I don't see. This until next year.
Yeah, it's going to take a lot of time.
It's going to be months and months before the old ways are

(01:47:21):
stamped out completely and then these come in.
But is it going to be little tootoo little, too late sort of
thing? You never know.
Well, especially with Sony kind of, yeah, totally taking over
now. Taking the reins, yeah.
Oh man, Something that happened this week The EA.
Oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 55 billion.

(01:47:44):
How many, how many companies nowown video games?
Now own all of video games. My Mass Effect is gonna be.
Is it like 5? Is it 5 organizations?
That own all of the DLCS worth of Sims.
Yeah, The Sims community is imploding right now because of
that. Yeah.
It's yeah. Not to take us off on too far of
a tangent there, just like it was, it was nuts that.

(01:48:07):
Was crazy. Tiddly.
Yes. For the final question of the
night, would you please read with Doom Hammer?
Oh, no, Dan, right. Dan, do you know the history of
this question? No, I have no idea what this
what this question is. Because this question was asked
in the food channel in my discord earlier.

(01:48:29):
Right. The question is important
question. In your opinion, what is the
superior meat delivery system and why is it tortillas?
Yes, I had. Done.
Why is it? I was, I was about to say, the
buns got to be the buns. I don't know man.
So tacos are fucking amazing. They are which?

(01:48:51):
OK, so food is chaos as you know.
Food is chaos. So when this was posted in my
discord I was like, I'm going tobite my tongue.
There's an obvious joke here andI'm not going to make it to
which one of my moderators said obviously the most The superior
meat delivery system is Tiddly'shusband.

(01:49:14):
So that's so. Thanks for making me read that.
Question. I didn't know that there was
trauma involved. No, there's lore.
But there's lore I didn't know Doom Hammer just put it in
there. And I was like, you know what?
That's a nice light question to end this off with.
And now I know that I set my friend up for just more trauma

(01:49:36):
and I now I'm upset. I'm sorry.
It was actually a really funny moment.
It was really funny. I was and here I am holding back
on making the joke and then my moderators just like.
Yup, that's. The joke?
Yeah, there you go. Doom, Hammer says in chat. 20%
change. You picked tiddly for that, and
you did it. My God, the odds go to Vegas

(01:49:59):
right now. Oh my goodness.
Moolah, it's right there. Yeah.
Tacos are fucking delicious though, and I will.
I will fight. Tacos are fantastic.
Fight to the death. We're talking not go wrong with
the Taco. Harder soft, harder.
Soft tacos. Soft shell.
Soft shell tacos. Yeah.
I don't know a good a. Good crunch.

(01:50:20):
Although the crunch was a good one, I prefer I prefer the soft
ones when I go to like real Mexican.
Restaurant, yes, but like fungalbells.
That Taco Bell hard shell. Like hard.
That hard shell, sometimes it's it's good.
I can't even find them. So the thing here is that like
so for me, hard shell tacos are like white people Taco night for

(01:50:47):
like from my family. And Del Taco.
Yeah, and like my my mom, we would make that.
We wouldn't even make tacos. It would just be Taco salad.
We would just make the hard shell for the Taco salad there.
So it was never really tacos. It was just constantly Taco
salad. I do enjoy, I do enjoy a Taco

(01:51:10):
Bell hard shell Taco. 100% on board with that.
Like that's, yeah. That is one of the experiences
of all time. Yeah.
I don't know. The Doritos Locos 1.
Yeah man, yeah man. I haven't tried their new menu
yet, but I might have to like dip in before before leaving
because it's like it goes back to like the early 2000s, like

(01:51:32):
late 90s menu. So I'm going to have to check
that out. But yeah, for the most part,
it's like we as part of my job where I work, we do a lot of
travel around the city of Indianapolis.
And sometimes we are afforded the opportunity to go to way
like to a lot of different restaurants within Indianapolis.

(01:51:54):
I can tell you in each quadrant of the city where the best Taco
is. I can now tell you that and I
will tell you every single one soft shell tortilla.
That's fair, shoe. Well, is it the street corn
tortilla or the flour? One, yeah, it's the street corn
tortilla like the the flour one's fine, but St.

(01:52:18):
Corn tortilla, Yeah, that's. That's it took me a while to
come around to the street corn one because it was a bit more
dry. I had to get used to it.
But like once you get to a good restaurant with them, yeah, it
hard to beat. Yeah.
Yeah man, they all have their place.
I'm so sorry for bringing traumaup on you tiddly.

(01:52:39):
No, I'm I, I think it's hilarious.
It's all good. As penance.
As penance, you can you can run the show for the next two weeks.
Wait, hold on. You heard it here first.
Oh, wait a minute. Look, I look, I just, I just
want to be giving. I just want to make sure all my

(01:53:01):
friends have an opportunity to run the show.
Anyways, I think that's it for the for this episode.
Thank you guys so much for coming and hanging out.
Sherpa, thank you so much for coming and hanging out with us
today. I know.
I know it's late for you and hopefully isn't isn't bad on
your on your work day tomorrow. I'm not even work tomorrow.

(01:53:25):
I'm going to the zoo tomorrow for a family trip.
Perfect. Nice.
Jealous. Where can people find you on the
Internet man? You can find me on Twitch,
Twitter, Blue Sky, which I need to post on more, to be honest,
yeah. Or maybe not.
It could be imploding, I don't know.
Oh well, nevermind, I'll ignore that.

(01:53:46):
I'll ignore that. Dumps to fire if I met a ship of
mine. Capital S.
Capital M. All right, perfect.
That's me, Sammy Cat. Where can people find you buddy?
You can find me at twitch.tv/sammy Cat and I am
Sammy Cat on YouTube, then SammyCat Plays on Twitter.

(01:54:11):
Heck yeah. Tiddly.
What about you, friend? I am twitch.tv/tilly Monday
through Friday at 9:00 central or so.
You know, it's starting to get dark early.
You know, like a. Whenever it happens, it happens.
Real. Just when EVs epic, epic Dan,

(01:54:32):
what about you buddy? You.
Can find me at twitch.tv/epic Dan 22, YouTube, Evident 22,
TikTok, Evident 22, Blue sky, Twitter, Instagram All Evident
22. Heck yeah, so convenient.
So convenient. My name is Danfinity and you can

(01:54:53):
find me everywhere under the handle Danfinity GG.
Specifically, I would I would highlight Instagram there like
just go and follow my Instagram.I'm I'm putting up a lot more
short style content now, which has been a lot of fun.
Something to put a little bug inyour ear.
Next Tuesday, October 7th, I will be raising money for a

(01:55:14):
Seattle Humane for as part of their new PATH Unlocked program
to to raise some money for the animals that get taken there.
So that is next. That is next Tuesday should be
around 7:00 PM. I'll see you there.
I might. I may or may not be wearing a
cat onesie on the day though, sothat's awesome.

(01:55:38):
May or may not. You'll just have to show up and
and find out. twitch.tv/stay Infinity.
With that said, thanks everybodyfor coming and hanging out with
us tonight, and we hope you findwhat you're grinding for.

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