Destiny Digest #118: Are The Portal Changes Enough?

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Destiny Digest. I'm your host, Dan.
Finity I fixed it. I fixed it.
I fixed it. You fixed it, yeah.
Are we going? Should I re say it?
Know what? Go ahead Dan.
And Dan got to restart it. Hello folks and welcome to
episode 118 of Destiny Digest. Not really Danfinity, it's a

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lie. He's actually traveling.
He's having a good time. He's in Europe drinking beer,
having a good time. It's good to see you guys.
Welcome to the episode. I am Tilly and I'm Co hosting
tonight with Epic Dan, Bonafide Hero and Sammy Kat.
Thank you so much for being here.
Just a little housekeeping before we begin.
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incredibly helpful. We're going to kick it off just
by going through what everybody's been up to this week

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in video games, not just Destiny2, but other things We do play
other games besides Destiny 2. So let's go ahead and start off
with Sammy Cat. What have you been up to this
week? I have been playing Silk Song.
It's an absolutely awful game. It's terrible.
I've rage quit it at least five times this week.

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This coming from the lady that can like run.
Dungeons. Over and over and over again,
right? And yet.
I it's too much. I just can't stop playing it.
I don't understand. It's it's, I've never been as
bad at a game, any game I can think of as I am at Silk Song.

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I am so bad at that game. Last night, Oh my God, I
messaged 2 of my friends and I was like, can I have some
suggestions about how to get through this section?
I've been on it for over an hourtonight.
I was on it for 30 minutes yesterday or two days ago so.
Like. And yet it is a phenomenal game.

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I highly recommend, definitely game of the year contender, but
my God I fucking hate that game.You hate it so much, punishing
you, Yeah. Yeah, it's punishing you, but
you keep coming back to it. Yeah, I don't even know.
I don't know how to describe it.Play it guys.
How far along are you into Silk Song?

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How far have you? Gone.
I'm in the second act. Without giving too many spoilers
away, I have 3 objectives. I've completed one of the three
before moving on. You know what I'm talking about.
That's. Most of the that part of the
game, yeah, Yep, that's. A bad.
Chunk of the game actually is isdoing those 3 objectives.

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All I got to say is the middle one.
Those fucking gears. I I swear, I, I swear, Oh my
God, like we should move on because I'm just going to.

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I really cannot wait to play it after this.
I'm going to play it on stream like I got this.
Game. I can't wait to play it right
after we finish stream. But I haven't played it on
stream because I don't want people to see me like this.
Oh, you haven't. Oh, you haven't?
Seen it? I streamed it once and then I
was getting so angry that I switched over to Destiny because

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I didn't want people to see me like that.
I was so upset. Interesting, 'cause I'm, I'm
like, well, I don't know, like so for me when I play those type
of games because I, we've already talked to the podcast
about me playing it. So it's really nice to hear your

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experience because you've gone through a lot of this.
You're going through a lot of the same emotional highs and
lows that I went through a couple months ago.
Yeah. So it's very nice to to be
reassured in certain things. Well, I can't imagine.
I feel like it probably would have been better if I didn't
stream it. But like there were multiple

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times and multiple bosses. Since you've already gone past,
I'll say at least the last judge, the last judge stopping
you from getting to act 2. He took me 6 of 4 1/2 hours to
beat and it was funny because I I unfortunately do the thing

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like a live stream of zoo where I can't end stream until I beat
this boss, you know? I'm so sorry.
I'm thinking, thinking that it might not be that bad and I'd
even had the issue. So I did it.
When I got to that boss and Sammy went down.
No, I finally beat the boss and then I had a big like, oh, let's
go. And I didn't know.

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After it dies, it blows up. No, I didn't know either, but I
had run away. I did not run away.
I literally dropped my controller and I was like
finally and then he died. So it's like a, it's like a, you
finish the boss and then it explodes and you don't know it's
going to explode and then you have to redo it.
So. Yeah, think of yeah, desert

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perpetual. You just don't know, so you.
Got to get out of there. Now it didn't.
It doesn't do a lot of damage, but I had one heart or 111 soul
or whatever. I know.
So it was Oh. No, it was.
Did it happen that the same thing happened to you, Sammy?
No, Sammy got away. She was smart.

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About that, he got away. OK, OK, OK.
But there was this section. Are we OK with like, not as big
of spoilers? No, no, no.
I'm not spoiling anything that Iknow.
You've never done Oh, I don't care about that.
I I remember I pretty much get. Right back into it, yeah.

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I died so many times. It's like I told my friends they
were, they were basically like, OK, make sure or something,
something, you know, No, it was about that.
They were like, did this part scare you?
And I was just like, nothing scares me because I just assume

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I'm going to die anyways. You just resigned at this point.
But there was one part where I got to the top of this really,
really, really freaking this really, really fucking difficult
parkour section. And you're supposed to do this

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puzzle, these musical note puzzles.
Oh yeah. And I was doing 1.
The last one, I had one heart left.
I was. I had to just do one more and I
fell onto some spice. I have to start.
Oh. No, you're so close.
It took. Me 5 hours to get such.

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Wait, you had five out to redo five hours?
Oh my. Goodness, because I'm Oh my
goodness. I highly recommend everyone play
Ori and the Blind Forest. That game is freaking
unforgivable, but it is one of my top five games for sure.
It's really, really hard. This game.

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I swear it I I am just so bad and I've been dealing with my
mental health and when I first started at the first week I was
like guys I can't play this until I up my my antidepressant
and it starts to work because I'm so angry at this game.
I had to Google if hitting alt F4 damages your computer.

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I legitimately had to Google if me pressing alt F4 was so bad.
I highly recommend it though, you guys could play it.
That's a classic Hollow Night game right now.
I can't wait to play Hollow night after.
OK, so epic Dan, what have you been up to this week in video

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games? Well yeah, since last time, all
I've played this week is Ghost of Yote.
It's. Oh my goodness.
Yeah. We talked about it a little bit
last week, Yeah. Yeah, I've I've logged about 50
and 1/2 hour, 5051 hours. We finally beat it yesterday
afternoon. What did you think?
What did you think of the ending?

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I think this game is worth playing is worth buying APS 5
for strictly the play. Wow, that's huge.
I have this I've oh. I didn't know it isn't
exclusive. It is.
Unfortunately, an exclusive, yeah, it does come out on PC,
but it won't come out on PC for like generally the exclusives

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are about 9 to 12 months later. My gosh.
Yeah, That's that's oh. My goodness.
Unfortunately. You're saying that though?
Is it good enough to wait for like it's like to?
I think whenever you can pick itup and play it, it is worth it.
I had a person come in saying that they were PC only and they

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they would wait and I said if you cannot afford to pick it up
right now, then play it when it comes out on PC.
Now, obviously I played the Sashima back at the beginning of
the year because I knew I was going to probably play your Tay
at this point in time. I enjoyed Sushima.

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I thought it was cool. I really like that art style.
I really like the whole samurai.I'm really into that kind of
stuff. But I wasn't like fully like, I
didn't get it. I was like, this is a cool game,
really cool. I like the fighting, but Yote
Yote, yeah, is on another. Level.
What is it about? What kind of game is it?

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It is a a lot of people are justcalling it like a samurai game.
Most of the combat is swords from that from the era of
Japanese culture where like samurais and Mongols.
Well, the first game was mainly about Mongols, but this game is
about a woman named Atsu who as a child.

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It's not spoilers, it happens right at the beginning.
She basically watches a man thatis in the in the region and on
this island called Yute sees herentire family murdered when
she's like 8. You find out later on a bunch of
stuff basically she's murdered and she basically is left for

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dead. Like they put a big sword in her
chest like big sword and stick her to a big tree in her
family's front yard and she basically is left for dead.
They think she's dead 16 years later.
She's an adult now, and she basically has one goal in life
is to kill the six people who murdered her family.

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That's the main premise, the baseline concept.
That's like the first cut thing you see that, you know, 16 years
later, her goal is I'm killing this person, this person, this
person and this person and this person.
That's all I want to do in life throughout the story.
You get a really good story out of it, which I don't want to
spoil it because I would absolutely recommend you play

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it. I got lucky I didn't get any
spoilers. It's a it's a open world action
adventure game basically where you basically run around with a
sword. But you have a lot of a lot of
options if you're into those style games.
But I absolutely think it's worth playing, my goodness and

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I, I think it's the best game this year.
Really. Compared to Silk you played Silk
Song you played. Do you play Expedition I?
Played scare I played them all and I that's crazy I love hollow
knight. I gave hollow knight a 9.7.
Wow, I thought it was until thenI I still enjoyed the most.

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You said that Silk Song was yourgame of the year until you
played Yote. Wow.
Oh my goodness. So why?
What sets it apart? Like what makes it, you know,
your pick, your new pick? What I ended up coming down to
is I don't think it's going to win.
I think Claire is going to win just because of how much is that
going for it. Yes.

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It just does, but I do think. When's the cut off?
It's like December 3rd. Generally it's like December.
3rd We still have time. We still.
Have time. There's no other like big heavy
hitters, I think. I think what I had this
discussion with chat yesterday is really unfortunately going to

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come down to Yeote and Claire, which is a very similar
situation that we found ourselves in a few years ago
with Eldering and God of War Ragnarok.
Where some people love it for one reason, some people love it
for another. Obviously eldering one but I
would argue Eldering around because it was a really good
game that also broke the mold for a lot of the communities

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that probably had never played asouls like that played the other
one for the. First time, Yeah, massively.
Massively, I think that some of the things going to happen with
Claire is that while I definitely think you'll say in
totality is a better game, Claire just broke the mold.
Again, it's a really, really, really good game, but also broke

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the mold. A lot of people had probably
never played these type of turn based games.
I know you haven't just. There's unless since since
there's like that voting of likefans.
Yeah, yeah. It's just.
Oh, is that how it's chosen? Well, it's like 8020.
So like when you, when you vote,unlike the official game that
was you can vote like I voted every year, but you can vote and

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it's about 20% fans, 80% media. So you can swing a you can swing
a vote of a game very easily. With the fans, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Every time I bring it up in Twitch chat, everyone says
Claire Obscure is going to win. So I mean, I'm wondering if it
is because the novelty, but I I so I haven't played Ghosts of
Your Day, but I've been watchingpeople stream it and it is.

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The environments are gorgeous. Like there's always wind, like
lifting cherry blossoms or moving grasses.
The combat is really satisfying to watch.
Like it's at the story is a story, like a story of revenge,
but it's really, really well done.
The characters are like poignantand thoughtful and well-rounded.

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I and the ending is I'd cried. I I just watched something I
didn't play. I'd watched somebody.
Stream it. I, I cried.
I literally was watching it and I was like, why am I crying?
I think it's just because the music is also unbelievable.
It's it's just unbelievable. It is such an amazing game.
Combat is really, really good when I, when I think of like

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what I end up having my game of the year, I generally look at
like about four or five categories, Look at sure world
building, which is generally like when you're in the world,
do you not want to leave the world?
You know, like a lot of times when I play games like Clear
Hollow Night and Yolte, I alwaysget this similar feeling where

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like I just want to live in thisworld.
I just want to be a part of it, learn as much about it.
If you ever play a game and you are going to do one thing and
then you're like, oh, what's that?
And then 20 minutes later you'relike, oh, I forgot I was meant
to do this. And then you try to get back on

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track. You're like, oh, what's that?
And you just keep going instead of like, OK, let's do a campaign
mission. OK, campaign mission.
That's what I kind of rate. Like I, I played the other day
for 19 hours. I did one story mission which is
crazy. It's that, it's that scene from

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Family Guy. It's like, oh, piece of candy.
Oh, piece of candy. Yeah.
Because I just kept having things pop up where I was like,
I want to go find out about thisperson.
I want to go find out about thisperson.
There's a mountain over there orthere's something hidden.
I want to go explore and before.Many hours in are you?
I think when I rolled credit wasabout 52 hours, yeah.

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Amazing. Do you think you did everything?
No, I think when when I stopped.I have one big thing left to do
and the best way I could I can compare it to is if you've
played Clear Obscure, there's a secret Ultra boss in it.
Call Simon. If he's the only one I haven't

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done. Yeah, there is one in the OTE as
well. And at the beginning of every
stream I go fight him just to test where I'm at.
I get demolished and then I fight him again at the end again
so. Yeah, that's cool.
How? The game a finish completion

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game for me until I beat him. So like Sam is there.
You beat the game and you haven't beat him yet.
Nope. Now I also realize you're
probably not supposed to fight him until you are actually at in
game. Probably, yeah.
He he won shots basically. He does, yeah.
He is your rival. He basically has never been

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defeated in like 200 years. There's all this lore about him
and he's based off a true person, like a true person in in
Japanese samurai culture. I still haven't beaten him.
He has, we'll just say 5 phases for kind.
He's called the Unrivaled, right?
He's called Takazo the Unrivaled.
The Unrivaled, Yeah. The best I've gotten is 1 1/2

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phases. Wow.
So I yeah, So you basically, from what I've been told and
what I've practiced, you have tobecome really, really
exceptional at parrying and perfect dodges.
Yeah. So my last.
My last. Game.

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For you, yeah. Not the game for me.
I can't. How are you for shit?
You know, I thought the same thing and then I played Claire
Obscure. I played it on expert difficulty
and no dodging because everyone always said in Destiny I always
crutch on my dodges. So which is true, It's 110%

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true, but it makes you learn real fast.
And just for anyone who wants toplay Clear Obscure, I know that
there's a lot of people who are like, now I want to try it
because they're hearing all thisstuff about the DLC.
Their story and then the next two levels I forget what the

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middle one is. And then there's expert level.
The windows are the same, so theonly real difference is going to
be the damage output and the damage input.
The windows are the exact same. So it's not like you have to do
things faster or more perfect for expert.
You still have the same amount of time.

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It's going to be just as punishing.
Yeah, that's going to be just aspunishing on the regular
difficulty. So just so you know, if you're
like, oh, which one should I do?You just have to do more on
expert. You have to survive longer, OK?
Gotcha. Anything else Dan?
Or is it but mostly go seviote? No, no, like after.

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That's basically 50 hours of that I.
Just got to lock in and do it. Hopefully next week's podcasts I
can come back with success that I've beaten them, but like.
Yeah. They have nothing else to do,
no. Longer.
In that game, technically, except for just.
All right, let's sit down and let's practice this guy every
day until my eyes bleed or and. I love it.

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I actually want to watch you beat him.
I think I find that fight very satisfying to watch.
Yeah, so I have played a little dumb, a little Marvel rivals
this week. Actually, there's some rivals
does kind of like half seasons. So they have season 4 and then
season 4.5 just started on Friday, I believe.
So it's a reason to it doesn't reset your rank, but it is a

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reason to pick it up and there'snew characters and stuff that
are released. So I I'm I'm I'm obsessed with
rivals. They have all the bathing
suitskins out night right now, which is I'm a sucker.
I'm like, here's my whole walletto please take my wallet for all
of these skins. They're amazing.
Kidley's 100% freaking wearing the bathing suit whole.

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I am I am absolutely gooning forany rivals character in a
bathing suit. Like let me tell you it is
rivals bathing suit gooner 100%.Can we talk about the word
gooning like this Is feels like I I either I'm just like so
freaking. Personal.
But I feel like right? Yeah.

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Yeah. Origin of gooning.
I mean, I know like. It's just for me, it's like it's
just come out of nowhere. It's like everywhere now I and
everyone's saying I'm like, did I miss?
The fuck did you miss? It have you been not been on the
Internet for a week? Bonus.
Did you miss the Goonie memo? This is the first time I'm
hearing it. I just find it funny that like

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it's growing up you would hear goon and like TV shows and
movies and it would be like somelackey.
Yeah, like a like a bad guy. Like.
A lackey, a bad guy lackey and now it's I don't, I don't know
the derivation. I would I will have to research
that on the Internet. I actually actually finished the
Borderland for story finally, which is really exciting.

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But I'm like level 30 ish I think.
So I think, I think this week I'm probably going to try to
power level 250 and then maybe do some end game stuff, maybe
some, you know, learn how. Some stuff to prepare for soon
too. Oh, right, I know there's an
event coming out, right? I just.
I got the notification. Yeah, but they also announced
their road map for their rates to start dropping soon.
Yeah, no, I'm excited. So I I really want to get at

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least my first character to Max level with a good kit like for
for like getting bosses down. I just feel really behind still
because I took the trip and I'm also taking another trip next
week. So I really want to get Max
level with a build. I think that's the plan.
But at least I really liked the Borderlands for a story.
I haven't played the other main borderland games.

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I did play tiny teen of Wonderlands, but I didn't play
the other Borderlands. But I really liked it.
So I don't have any frame of reference to compare it.
I won't do any spoilers, but I thought the story was excellent.
I thought it was really well done in Destiny.
I've mostly I did a little bit of leveling.
I'm about 380, so I'm a little behind still.
We got some, we have some discussion coming up about
leveling and Destiny, but I've been doing epic grades

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nonetheless. I've done 3 so far and I really
like it. Like I like it so much.
I did my first Sherpa this past week, you know, and Oh my
goodness. Like I there's still so many
roles I need to learn how to do better in order to be a helper.
But I I absolutely love it and Ican't wait to top back in.

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I feel like the final boss encounter is I thought the I
thought the final best boss encounter for desert perpetual
was my favorite encounter, but this one is so good.
It's so good, and it's really not as bad as it looks like when
I was watching it being streamedfor the for the world's first
contest, obviously was contest, but I still was like, Oh my God,
this looks crazy. And then you get in there and

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you're like, Oh, this actually makes sense.
It's just a lot of steps. So, so I'm I'm trying to learn
the the final the final encounter better so I can help
teach it and and Sherpa. I might join for a help soon
because I still haven't done it.I need to take some all these
other games I'm like but sooner or later I should get a Clarion.
Yeah, I haven't done it either. Oh.

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My God, anytime you guys want, let me know.
I, I, I might, I've been settingup runs with I Lulu.
So if you wanted to join in and learn roles, like just let me
know. I can or I'll just ping you and
see if you're available and, andand we can go from there.
But then, yeah, that was basically my my week.
What about you, Bona? What did you do this week in
video games? I still haven't done the like
original raid like the the firstbit.

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The the regular, the the the normie Vanilla desert.
Perpetual. No, we're just.
Going to start an epic. We're not even going to.
We're just going right in, baby.Do I have to Perry?
No, I've, I've, I've found sort of quiet, you know, the amount

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of time I can sort of either stream or, you know, game I'm on
sort of doing awakening. So I found like quite a bit of
success sort of streaming that recently even sort of going to
like a play test in London. They just delayed it.
So it's supposed to be this week, but there's like a big
play test in London where you get like invited to for like a

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few days. So I going to be going to that
now next month. But yeah, instead of just doing
that and honestly, yeah, there'sI haven't really had much time
to sort of play anything else. Usually we'll meet like for our
DND like our real life DND, likeevery.

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Two weeks DND. Yeah, yeah.
We've just taken like a proper break, like for like, so we've
missed like a fortnight. So it's now been like 4 weeks.
I'm like I'm having withdrawals man like.
Oh, I know. Yeah, in my head I'm like, oh
fuck, I want to do this. I want to do that.
And I'm like, oh shit. I mean like I just got smite on

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my freaking bad. So you're playing, not.
Yelling the IRL session right this you're just you're you're
playing OK, OK. Yeah, whereas I will be.
And that. Other thing will be we we were
going to be. Saying OK, wonderful.
I think we should do a Destiny Digest.
One shot. D&D campaign.

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I would love to do that. I've never done it.
You've never done it. I I have no.
I just had to put that out therenow, but I would love.
To because. Never.
Forget otherwise. Never done any.
Never done anything D&D. No, I haven't.
Really, I mean, we should do it.We should do a one shot.
I think I. I need I need some practice.
So. Yeah, have you?
I haven't done practice. Have you guys done balders?

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Yeah. OK, so if you've done Balders, I
was. Like, really?
Wanting to get into it. Boulders is a really good
introduction. Yeah, that was actually really.
Good movie. The indie.
The indie movie actually does ita lot of justice, yeah.
Oh my God, it's. Actually.
Good, it's actually. Good.
It's actually good. It's actually funny and good.
Yeah. It does it a lot of justice for.
The whole world. So no, it doesn't.

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No, it really does because like,like the, the that one part when
they're trapped in the water is rising.
Like it's like Bono. Like I was watching it and I was
like, I feel like this is like my D&D group.
They're like trying to think of how we're going to get out of
the DM puts you in this crazy situation.
You're trying to be creative andlike, how are we going to get
out of this? So I love that.
I actually, I did IRL DND yesterday.
We were fighting a group of necromancers and I'm running I'm

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running a Tempest cleric becauseI came into this this IRL group
late and they they're cleric left and of course you need to
have a cleric. So I was like, well, I'm going
to pick like the most badass cleric that you could possibly
have, which is a Tempest cleric because I'm basically I'm I run
heavy armor, so I have an AC of 18.
I have like a whole bunch of like damage spells and I can
also heal and revive people. So I'm like AI think we're

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running level level 5. I'm not like super super.
We're not super, super far advanced, but anyway, so these
Necker answers came at us. They almost downed one of us.
Our, our initiative role was terrible.
And then what I did is I cast sleet storm on all of them and
they took, I took them like 5 turns.
They kept on slipping and falling and losing

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concentration. It was so amazing.
Like you could just imagine. And like we literally should not
have won that fight. We should have run away.
But we actually won because because of Sleet Storm.
It was so satisfying though. But that's that's one of the
things I love about, there's a lot of things I love about DND.
One of the things I love about it is like being creative and

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coming up with something that's like can turn the tides in a
battle like that, you know? Exactly.
And there's so much that can do that as well.
Like, yeah, as a player or as Adm, you never know until it's
like right in front of you. Yeah.
So yeah, it's. It's it's just fucking bad.
I love it, but I have questions.Sam, I don't know if you've

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yeah. OK, please let me ask them first
because they might all overlap. OK one of my questions is what
happens when you die? Are you just out?
My next question is are these all like you can create your
build but do you decide what what class you are and do you

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have like stats? Yeah.
So there's so the both of those can be answered by depends on
how the DM is running the campaign and you know what your
agreement is with the DM, Can you die and is that it?
Yes. It then is up to your DM to

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basically whether it falls within the story that, you know,
if there's something a quest that can be gone on by the other
party members that can bring your character back, or if
there's something that they've put in in the story that when
someone does die, this will bring you back.
But it will like, you know, do something else to you.
So there's, there's it. It's part of the DM's job to

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basically put those safeguards in place if they want.
However many DMS will be like, you die, you die, you die.
Get give me another character sheet, you know.
I'm one of those people where I will go all out and I'm not
smart about it. Like I cannot survive Katan.

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It's bad. It's real bad because I like go
all out and then I need to put. You on a Barb is what I'm
hearing. We'll put you on like a melee, A
melee like character where you've built into that, where
you build into being a tank and like going all in, you know?
Well, I mean, no matter what I would like, I would just go all

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in and then I would die. And if I can't come back to
life, I'd be freaking out like that campaign would.
I can't wait while everyone elseis having fun, so.
I, I read this thing earlier. I read this thing earlier.
It was like Albad tried to seduce the big bad, but then

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like rolled in that one. So he got thrown in like prison
and then he tried to seduce all the guards and rolled really
low. So they would like beat him up,
but they had boners and right soall this was happening, this all
this was happening and the entire rest of the party were
just like now fucking. And they went off and the DM
basically had to do like a splitparty thing which happens a lot.

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And basically the other players were off doing this quest whilst
the bar was basically trying to break out of horny Jail.
Oh my God, we, we had the same thing happened with our, our,
our IO. No, we really did.
We basically set up this like subterfuge where we were, we had
one of our, one of our characters was seducing a guard

(32:45):
at a library that had a locked room.
And so he went On this date as adistraction.
So half of the party was micromanaging this like fake
date and the other half was breaking into the library.
It went very, very badly. Someone had.
Told me about this campaign theydid where one person ended up

(33:10):
getting drunk and in a Tavern and then their solution to try
and sober up ended up making them drunker.
So then they ended up doing one of those split quest things
where half of the party, the rest of the party ended up going

(33:32):
and trying to find some kind of elixir that would make it so
that they would stop drinking. See a lot of that also turns
like that's that's the DM like improvising.
Tavern. Yep, Yep, Yep, that.
Happens. That all comes down to the DM
like having to improvise and like make shit up on the spot,
but then also be like shit, doesthis actually like coincide with

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like what's actually happening in the world?
And then they'll then have to goback and be the retcon in the
future or like build. Shit around it.
And it just completely derails everything, no?
That's that's yeah, absolutely like being Adm.
You have to be able to roll withit.
And like, you know, exactly likemy, my husband was playing rogue
and there was like a teenage character that like attacked the

(34:16):
party. And then they were, he was
apparently like, supposed to be like a really like a centerpiece
of an entire story that the DM hadn't designed.
And my husband just killed him. And then the DM had to decide if
he was like, I slit his throat and the DM had to be like, OK,
roll for roll for whatever. And he let him kill him.
But he was like, he had this whole back story and this whole

(34:37):
all this stuff planned around this character and, and like, he
was just off the board. Like, it's just like, that's
why. But that's why, that's why DND
is so much fun because it is improvisational.
And like, I feel like a really good DM is gonna kind of go with
it and like exactly kind of makeit up as you go.
You know, they have like a loosestructure, but like allow the
players. You don't want to be like a
killjoy too much, right? And be like, no, you just can't

(34:59):
do that. You want to go, this is
obviously your story, but it's also your players story as much
you know, correct. It's a Co creator.
Experience, exactly. And then what was your second
question, Sam? Oh yeah.
Can you die? Be brought back.
OK. So are there like stats so like?

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Yes, I remember. So you can again, it depends on
how the DM either wants to do it, whether it's XP based sort
of leveling system or like eventbased leveling system like
milestone is what they call it. So the DM will either say, Yep,
you'll level up or, you know, just say to this person you
level up like right now, you know, depending on whether they

(35:43):
hit a milestone or you, he'll say at the end of a engagement
or end of a night, or, you know,an interaction with an MPC,
he'll say you get this match XP and then you'll like level it up
that way. So that's how you know that will
work with your levels. But then with stats, you can
either just point by so you get like a certain amount of points

(36:06):
to build into your specific stats like charisma,
intelligence, wisdom, or you'll do like a rolling like you'll
roll for your your points. Yeah, if that makes sense.
There's a spread. So yeah.
OK. Yeah, I have another question, 2
questions. Two more questions.
That's gay. Two more we should have our own

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episode of. Destiny Digest, D&D edition.
OK, so my next one is Tiddly. You said that you were like a
Tempest cleric. Tempest cleric, yes.
OK, so here's my first question.Sure.
Are there like classes and like subclasses?

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Like I could be an Archer, but like, would I be like a certain
type of Archer? And then my second question is,
I imagine that I probably have to get some dice, so I'd like to
write down what kind of dice I have so I can put them on my
birthday wish list. Would you like to answer that,

(37:13):
Mona? I got my post a note and pen for
whenever you guys are ready to tell me what dice I need to.
Get so I will send you so many fucking links of dice.
I've become such a fucking dice.Oh my God, I know.
We went to Gen. Con and I got some gorgeous
dice. Actually, I think me and.
Dan, I'm really nervous about this though, because I.

(37:35):
You'll have more dice than you will have Pokémon stuff.
Behind you, they have a Really. Addictive.
Personality, and I'm afraid. Yes, two guys are so nice.
I don't know if you saw the ones, they had a GCX, they had a
whole. They were really nice.
I'm just nervous that I'm going to.
You might be. I mean, just to completely warn

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you, the dice are gorgeous and there's so many different kinds.
What I like to do, Well, first of all, if we play, we would
play probably on D&D Beyond, which is like online.
So you wouldn't actually need dice.
It's a virtual. But what I like to do is
whenever I do a new like long term campaign, I like to get a
dice set that matches the character that I've created.

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So my Tempest cleric, she is, she is basically kind of like
the, the mermaid kind of class or like species in D&D.
And so like her origin story, she's she's like, you know, she
comes from like the sea. And so like I got a set of dice
that is sea themed for her because she's also she's like

(38:38):
kind of like watery and sea themed, but like I get a
different set to paint dependingon the character I create.
And there are you can be an Archer.
So an Archer is basically a subclass.
You would want to pick your species and then you want to
pick kind of the class you want to run.
So like there's lots of different kinds.
Like I said, cleric is a healer,there's Barbarians, damage

(38:58):
dealers, fighters, bards, which also do healing.
And then there's subclasses within those that there's like
lots of variations of subclasses, but Archers are
typically, I'm just googled it. They're fighters, rogues or
Rangers. I would say a rogue is probably
the closest to the Destiny character that you play like,
like closest to like a void hunter would be a rogue.

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So you could do a rogue hunter or build and do something
similar and then maybe get like a cool purple set of dice or
something like I. Don't know, I would like to be a
wood elf Archer with high rogue with masked sneak.
Max Archery we can. Make it happen.

(39:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll be really
good. Bucket.
Let's do. This Let's do it.
Let's do it. I'm excited you're in.
Yeah, we can. Yeah, let's set it up.
OK. Yeah.
All right, Bona, anything else for you this week?
No. No, sorry, not no, I brought up
D&D. D and DI know.
I mean, let's take this whole segue on to D&D.

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No, but like. This was this was Dungeon's
Digest, right? Dungeon's Digest episode #118
All right, let's go ahead and move on.
Epic Dan is going to lead us through the Twid and news.
We had a couple articles come out this week so.
We had a couple, it was AI don'twasn't.
Too. Crazy.
A big one, but we do want to talk about the the Twid a little

(40:26):
bit. Going to go through at least
some of the update that also came out, at least to start off
with Heliostat, which was the new exotic mission that
launched. I don't know if anyone has had a
chance to run it this week. Negatory.
I have not run it, no no. So that would be I'd.

(40:48):
Plan too soon. Yeah, I got a chance to play it
Tuesday, and I know there's a lot of people, they've probably
had a lot to say about the mission, but personally I
thought was a pretty cool mission.
The only thing I could say without spoiling it for anyone
else here was it did feel personally a little bit shorter

(41:13):
than I would like. It kind of felt like by the time
you start ramping up the mission, you're done.
I also understand that this mission was, at least from what
I could tell, was kind of created with the expectation

(41:34):
that you were going to have to run it a whole lot with it being
tied to portal. I don't know if that was
intentional, but this is a mission that obviously is
supposed to be rewarding you with the axe and it has some
really cool mechanics tied to itwhere you have to like you have
to. I don't know if it's exactly

(41:54):
Silva or who, but you look at all these symbols and you have
to do some really neat things where you have to like see what
the odd symbol is on that side of the room, what the common
symbol is and kind of connect the dots kind of what I was
spoiling. I know everyone else hasn't
played it and I. I don't.
I don't. I don't mind though.

(42:14):
Yeah, I don't. Mind, yeah.
I want to play it spoiler free. That's yeah, I totally
understand. That's fair, that's fair, that's
fair. As far as I could tell, the play
space didn't feel like a play space we've spent either a lot
of time in. Me personally, it felt like it
felt like a play space that we had in Destiny One and Destiny 2

(42:38):
of like the whole war mines if you remember, like all those
little kind of triangles we had.It felt kind of, it felt new,
but also felt like somewhere we had played.
And obviously the final boss is a boss that we had way back in
the day. Without spoiling it, I don't

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think it's as big of a deal. A lot of people have been making
a big deal about this boss that came back from vanilla Destiny
too, and it's. The same thing as old ways,
isn't it? Well, yeah, while it is.
Reusing. I've gotten past.
I personally have gotten past the anger or upsetness or

(43:20):
disdain, whatever words you wantto use around that, because I I
personally feel that more peoplefought this boss for the first
time this week, then bought it back in the day just because I
don't personally see a lot of players who were playing this

(43:41):
boss's activity back then. But I was playing.
I know a lot of people want to be like free.
It is a boss that I was when I first got and I was like, this
guy looks familiar. And then he did a see, he did a
few actions. He did a few actions and I was
like, you know, like that that that mean that that's from that

(44:07):
movie. I was like, wait a minute, you
and then it all it all came flooding back.
All the hours would be fine withhis boss and I was like wait a
minute but at the. Same time I was like you.
Know what it's cool there is a store, a story.
Lower implication to why he comes back.
I'll leave. That oh, so he's an actual

(44:29):
character? It's a.
Character, not just a repeat model.
No, it's an actual character. OK, well, that makes a little
more sense. Yeah, and in the story of the
strike, they give reasons. They do, fortunately, but
unfortunately talk about Siva. It's not a spoiler because it's

(44:49):
kind of why we're there with theSiva axe, which isn't
technically Siva because they'vechosen to rename everything to
be doing with the Quicksilver exotic auto rifle.
I'm sure that I don't know. I'm not a lawyer guy like that,
so I don't know how that's all happened, but I after first

(45:12):
completion I was like, that's it.
But on multiple complete I was like, this is cool, but also,
you know, understand that it's unfortunately never going to be
enough for the community if it'snot whispering 0 hour and we
have to get I don't want to say get past that.
We just have to understand that like it's a different time

(45:34):
period and it's a different kindof style of game.
Yeah, but I do think Hill is that was a cool mission, but I
also went into it expecting nothing.
So that's just. Right, right.
Personally, yeah, I've heard, I've heard mixed things about it
from people. Like the people I've talked to
have kind of been like, it's kind of a womp womp.

(45:55):
So you know, kind of mid but have not gotten in there and
want to kind of withhold judgment.
But it is tough though, because I feel like hearing something
like that, it does kind of like change the way you experience
it. It's like going into a movie and
knowing that it's got a really good review or really bad
review. And sometimes that can kind of
either hurt or help, like if in terms of your expectations going

(46:16):
in. So if any, maybe it's good
though, because I feel like I'vegot very low expectations going
in, so maybe I'll actually really enjoy it when I do it.
Yeah. They they do do some mechanics
that we haven't seen before which I thought was cool.
OK. Love that did we?
How early did we know about 0 hour or presage before it came

(46:39):
out? So I know that whisper they just
dropped us a just suddenly. Yeah, literally the one they
dropped on us, 0 hour if I'm notmistaken.
We all we knew was a date, that an exotic was coming.
That was it. I personally, this is 2019 maybe
I remember the road map saying that there was just an exotic

(47:01):
mission on this week's reset andthat was it.
And if I'm not mistaken, I couldbe totally wrong, but if I'm not
mistakenly, the community found out how to get into the mission.
They just knew we were getting an exact mission at some at some
time in that season. Press it.
I think we knew about on our ownmap.

(47:22):
Again, I'm pretty sure we knew this day, this mission.
I think we even knew the name. So we haven't had a lot of drops
a long time. Yeah, because there was.
There's another one I can't think of right now, the.
Only other one, if you want to call it that, that was like a

(47:43):
not a shadow drop, but like kindof just flung on us.
It's probably just corridors, but I don't know if that counts.
You think that this exotic mission, especially because it
introduced the axe, would have been better if it were a
surprise. I feel like right now we're in a

(48:08):
very precarious spot because people are like, I want a road
map. I want to know, especially
streamers or content creators, they're like, I want to know
when so I can be prepared and streaming.
But at the same time, if it was like, hey, even sometime next
week, you know, we're dropping surprise content.

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I think the. Problem would be.
If I think people would like it more because they wouldn't be
expecting something. I would agree generally I would
agree that it's weird because I personally prefer when we are
just kind of dropped content. It's it is really really nice.
I will always prefer that they would have had to not have it

(48:54):
tied to the portal. That's my only complaint about
it currently is that your first run is.
It's very easy. It's incredibly easy, and
there's no. I don't like that at all.
Just tied to the portal, so likeyou first.
So you launch it the first time and it's set to normal.

(49:15):
Everything's really, really easy.
All of my team's deaths were from not knowing where to go,
hitting turn back zones, trying to figure out OK, let's jump
here, no, let's jump here, no. And once you complete the first
one, then you have the ability to access and all the portal
difficulties all the way up to ultimate.
Then it gets a little difficult.But then again, there is no

(49:35):
reason to run it at a higher difficulty because there's no
like there's no catalyst tied tohigher levels.
I got all of my like intrinsic stuff just doing normal, just
doing like the light level 10 version.
So you don't have to do a higherdifficulty to earn all this
stuff. If I'm not mistaken, I think

(49:57):
ultimate is the only reason to do.
Ultimate is like an emblem I think is what someone told me.
If someone doesn't care for the emblem, you could really just
solo the normal version and get the axe and all the stuff tied
to it. There's no time where there's
nothing else. Wasn't there one that we had to
kind of unlock where there was like a world secret?

(50:22):
Was that Avalon? It might have been, Note Avalon,
yeah. Where it was like people had
people see, I like it where people notice things in the
world and it's like they have togo and they go to raid secrets
or there's like all these rumorsand then they have to make the
connections. Like one thing was what was it?

(50:46):
Was it finding out? The wish wall is what I think of
like going around. Sleeper back in the day as well.
Sleeper. Yeah, where it was kind of like,
OK, we have to go. And is this different?
What are the symbols? Like, let's put it all together

(51:07):
and then they unlock something. Which is kind of the point of
like a rogue light game. Like they've sort of made enter
fade into, isn't it? So like you come back and then.
But yeah, I don't know if anyoneelse feels this way, but like
you you, I could kind of piggyback off of Sammy's
question, is that a lot of the content doesn't feel like it's

(51:32):
pushing the player to be somewhat of an explorer.
You know? Because I imagine like if this
one dropped and we didn't know about it, the community is kind
of not used to going out of the way of like really deep diving
into the world to figure that out.
Which is unfortunate because I would love to go back to that.

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But I definitely know that people complain that they can't
get certain content done becausethey got to wait for YouTube
guide to come out for it becauseit's just a totally different
era. I would personally agree that
Sammy is right in the sense of like, having stuff created and
letting us explore it will always be more satisfying than

(52:18):
just being told show up on its date.
There are and. I feel like people would expect
less because they're already engaging with it more.
Yeah. I I just.
Think they or let us find out like hey what are we going to
unlock? Don't tell us what the exotic
is. Oh my God we unlock an axe like.

(52:41):
So would you be OK with like a? Mass.
And exotic, but not knowing whatthe exotic was.
And then suddenly it's an axe where it's like, Oh my God,
what? I just don't think they have
enough content planned so they can withhold information about
when people are asking for a road map.
I just. Answer the question is, do you

(53:01):
think data miners have ruined that?
I mean, they've been data miningsince like forever.
Yeah, I. Don't know.
I just wonder like cuz I know there was a time that like all
the really bad stuff was coming out and every single time data
miners would get to it ahead of time and they would announce it.

(53:22):
They would. Almost announce all.
The steps and I wonder if whoever is in charge at one
point in time just said, well, let's just announce it ourselves
in a way we want it to be announced instead of, you know,
some random Twitter account just.
Spoiling it, yeah, yeah. It's.

(53:43):
Tough I'll say the game is boring now, I have a ton to do
but it's all just checklist. Like they tell us what to do,
where to do it, what there is todo, and it feels like there's
nothing to do. I used to love it with exotic

(54:06):
missions. I was always like, Oh my gosh,
we are going to go in on Legend difficulty with all bows.
We might not be able to do it, but we're going to go through
this mission and now it's like an exotic mission came out.
Same thing with Kel's Fall. You and your grand and your, I
guess you're G, yeah, G Grandmasters and your exotic
missions have all been, I don't want to say taken from you, but

(54:29):
like kind of have been. They totally have been.
I'm. Excited for the call.
They did, they gave you your, they gave you your master ghost
at all times. But they were like, well, we'll
give you your master ghost at all times, but.

(54:49):
We're still waiting on those surges, yeah.
It's kind of like that hasn't been fixed yet.
They they're still surge rotations, so I have to wait two
weeks to get void. Granted I can do something else.
I, I can adapt, I have access toit.
I can adapt my play style. That's on me.
That's my choice. So I'm not saying like, oh, they

(55:12):
should give me void surge all the time.
Like that's on me. I could find a different way to
get through it. I have crossbows.
It's just not something I'm interested in doing right now,
but there was something else I was going to say.
What? What was the first thing you

(55:33):
said before? I just said that.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
People were like, why aren't youusing it?
Like they made, they made not for me, inspired by me.
They made Portal modifiers specifically inspired by me and
I don't use them. People imagine that before I I

(55:56):
do not use them. And people are like, they made
them for you, why aren't you using like?
And I'm like, I don't want to play Portal.
Dang. I don't want to play portal.
The one dev out there who like who pushed for that Sammy change
is like. I spent so many hours and she

(56:19):
doesn't even use it. No, But I agree.
I think that's kind of an overarching conversation we keep
having about Portal in Destiny and how they've really tried to
funnel so much leveling and content through Portal.
And the community is, from what I've heard, is not about it.
So are they going to scrap it? Are they going to move on from
this system? Are they going to double down on

(56:41):
it? Like what?
What's going to be the future ofthe Portal?
But I think for now, a lot of people are not really.
I would love to be a fly on the wall of the guy that suggested
in like campaign. The Sammy Cat or portal in.
General No, he, he, he, he campaigned for Portal and he's
tried to keep this alive. Whose project was Portal?

(57:01):
Right. And who is in charge of?
This like how do they feel abouteveryone's, you know, everyone
saying everything about it like I would.
Person who made. It I was like, this is my big
thing. This is my baby.
How dare you pick on my baby? I would, I would be really
upset. They've had like massive in

(57:22):
projects that have failed before, like some of these like
the fire team Finder system. Remember that like where they
had like that was a massive project.
They had this huge like roll outthey did like they announced it
and then it was just like quietly sunsetted.
You know, an in game LFG is a lot more robust and, and

(57:43):
actually like way better than like the the, you know, the way
it used to be done. But I feel like they've had
these massive systems that they've rolled out that just
haven't been successful. I think Portal would be more
successful if they hadn't funneled all the leveling
through it, if it really truly had been an onboarding space for
people who didn't know where to start.
I love that. I think that's great

(58:04):
conceptually. I still think Destiny struggles
generally with not having a great onboarding system for
people who are just coming in. There's a lot.
It's very confusing. People don't know how to find
people to play with. They don't know where to start.
I feel like the Portal, if that's its purpose, great.
But for returning players and also like, I have a hard time
finding where the map is now. Just like where am.

(58:24):
I going I was trying to launch the raid.
I'm like, where is the new raid located?
Like where I used to be able to find content and now I'm just as
a returning player. I'm just like, where?
Where do I find that? Oh wait, it's in the portal.
It's in the portal. It's in the new content tab.
You have to go in there and thenit opens up a map.
I'm like, this is so weird. Why isn't the map in a map?
Why is the map in the portal inside of a node?

(58:45):
It's not that there's the map. I'm like, why is this the case?
This is so weird. What is going on?
So because I jump back onto. The.
World map. I think they should do the world
map and then make portal supplemental.
They should have portal be supplemental as kind of where

(59:06):
you can do lists. So you would go into portal
because one thing is really frustrating is OK, I want to go
play this dungeon where the Frick is it in the world, But
it's like I could go in and playit, find it, or I could go to
portal, go under pinnacle, go todungeons and then I can select

(59:27):
it from there. Like they have subcategories.
I think one thing that really kills it, I'm looking at it
right now for pinnacle, it's like I can choose, there's 14
different, there are things in here.
So it's dungeon, exotic mission,exotic mission, onslaught
dungeon, dungeon, exotic mission, exotic mission,

(59:49):
onslaught crawl, arena. I think that putting them all
together, I'm like, what am I even playing?
I want if I want to play an exotic mission I want to go and
like find an exotic mission I want to I want to go.
To a tab that says exotic mission and then choose which

(01:00:14):
exotic mission I want to do. I don't want to have to go
through this whole list of 14 totry and find an exotic mission.
No, I completely agree. Well, Speaking of, Speaking of
leveling getting pushed through the portal, we did have some
good news recently from Bungie this past week and that they are

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not going to increase the power cap for Renegades.
So the power cap is going to remain at 5:50 and they're not
planning to increase it. And also October 14th, they are
rolling out leveling changes in the portal, which hopefully will
help people who are a little bitbehind, AKA me, catch up a
little bit to people. But what do you guys, what do

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you guys think about that change?
Like what do you guys think about about that or community
response to that? I love that they're not.
Oh. You're so bright, you're happy
about this. Well, OK, it's twofold.
I absolutely love that they're not raising it because, well,

(01:01:18):
OK, no, I think that they shouldraise it, but by significantly
less. Go back to 10.
Yeah, I want it to be like, so people were like, OK, everything
with the seasonal model that actually kind of worked to where

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you would still have to like level up.
Because right now them not changing it, everyone's at Tier
5. You just go, I mean, what's the
point of coming back? Especially because people now
are used to going and farming. People are used to going and
leveling up. So now they come back and it's
like, well, what am I supposed to do?

(01:02:03):
Well, I guess the question becomes, why do you play the
game? Like, do you grind for the sake
of grinding? Do you grind for a specific
activity or do you just like, like, like for me, it's the
latter, right? Like I'm not going to go in and
grind unless there's a specific activity that I want to complete
with my friends. So I know a lot of people did
the and it's part of the problemwith why the game is so dead

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right now, because there was an enormous push to level for the
epic raid release. And that's why after that
everyone was already at Max level for the epic rate.
Elise and all these big creatorsare like, well, I'm already
leveled, I'm just going to stop playing for now.
And now people are trying to level for the dungeon release,
right? But for me, I'm not going to
just go in and grind for grinding sake.
That's not how I like to play the game.

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I like to play the game where I'm grinding because I'm
grinding for a particular activity.
So right now I'm power, I'm power leveling.
I'm just leveling just to try toget my my conqueror gilded
again, which you have to hit 530in order to do that, right?
And I know for you, Sammy, you grind because you want to be
able to do like these challenges, right?
Like, and you can't access thesechallenges without being a
certain level. Yeah, yeah.

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It's tough either way because like if they don't raise the
power cap, people that are already there won't play because
they have nothing to pay for. True.
If they do raise the power cap, then sometimes you have people
who are just going to wait untilthey get already boosted up
anyway. They just wait it out because
I'll just play other stuff because I know in a month

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they're going to go ahead and push my light up.
Yeah. Or it's going to be a lot easier
to access that level. Yeah.
So it's. Yeah, yeah.
It's tough. I don't think that's the right
answer because you'll like, evenin chat you have people that who
are on one side of the board where they're like, I want to.
Pair of. Grind all the time.
Then you have people who say they don't want a pair of grind
at all. Yeah, it's tough to because I, I

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know what's going to happen is when Renegades comes out and
we're still 550, you'll have people that are already Max,
that already have their Tier 5 sets.
Because all the stuff that they added to force the grind in
Renegades are getting rolled back.
And they're going to say after they do the first week of, let's
just say the first week and a half of Renegades and they've

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done all the new activity stuff,they'll say there's nothing to
do again because they are already Max.
They're already Max right there.Max when it comes out, yeah.
Can't really decide if it's a good or bad thing because it's
all up to the player so I. And, and there are different
players. Yeah, exactly.
There's different approaches there, different people who are

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like, you know, if they don't increase it at all, that's going
to affect people who are playingthe game hardcore, who are
already levelled, you know, I don't.
Know so it's tough because it seems that enough people have
complained about it that they'regoing to roll back these
features but I I wouldn't be surprised if December 25th

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happens and people are complaining you know.
Oh, for sure. It's just, it's just crazy to me
that that happens immediately after the new contract comes
out. They're like, oh, I don't want
to play this game anymore. I'm like, I did the new content
once and I'm done, you know? Now, do we even know what the
light level is going to be for the contest dungeon?
Because. I don't know.
I wouldn't be surprised if we'realready level for that too.

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Probably. Probably.
It's like, you know, yeah, I'm already 4:50 and I've just been
chilling. So unless the the contest
dungeon allows you to be 500 plus but I still wouldn't need
to grind. And if it's 300 because they
feel most players that might want to grind or play it are

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only going to need to be 300. They've already given everyone
the floor so. Right.
So you don't have to worry aboutthat in order to access the end
game content, because I think there should be some, I mean, I
don't know, that's always a question.
Is that is that an elitist take that you should require people
to grind to access content? You know, I mean, I, I'm, I'm of

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two minds of it. I feel like yes and no, I feel
like to access base content maybe, but end game content, I
feel like there should be some like, you know, I don't know,
there should be some grinding toget to end date game content.
You know, you shouldn't just be able to pick that up.
I think just generally getting into activities.
I think so, but I think there should be a range.
But I definitely like personallyfeel like the grind was

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overtuned, but now, but but theynow they've trained the entire
player base to do it. So.
Yeah, that's a big thing. I don't know.
Everyone going back to Caldera like the first day of Renegades,
Yeah, it's like, and I don't know, like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to the mind.
Oh shit. Here's the minds guys.
So. I don't know like.

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I have one thing that I will sayagain and again and again, and I
want to yell at Bungie is a theyneed to bring back, hands down
GM's. They need to.
There is no option. Look how many people in the PvP
space, especially streamers, especially content creators who

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are the ones where people are are most influenced by.
They need to without question bring back GMs because they have
lost a massive amount of people who would do speed runs who
would do helps. A lot of people will just grind
for them. They.
Absolutely. Need to.

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So the biggest reason why I, I've had to step away and it's
like they took away the pretty much the 90% of the reason why
I'd play. Right, that's how it is for a
lot of people. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I wonder why they did
that. Maybe it was it was the portal.
They didn't even try to. It might have been something

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that they accidentally removed. Accidentally removed, probably
the. Portal would have been the
portal version would have been it, but it's it's not like I
have unfortunately, unlike tiddly have unfortunately
retired my conquer streak because.
Of Oh, really OK. Like I have no interest in being

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15. People just don't want to run
them, and I think part of that is because they already have
modifiers chosen for you. Like I wouldn't be able to go in
and just run all bows. I wouldn't be able like so
that's gone. I don't even have the ability to
do challenges. I know if you guys are familiar

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with above, he does. He did, Grandmother.
GMG yeah, it was amazing. Is.
He. Not doing that anymore like.
Yeah. There's.
No possible way he can that's. Crazy.
He made a big YouTube video what, probably like a month ago
or something. Some weeks ago.
Yeah, yeah, his. Content is just gone.

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So he's a variety streamer now because he just.
That was he just. Doesn't have Destiny content
anymore, Yeah. That's so crazy pulling like
Evergreen content from the community like that.
It's just. Well, it's crazy pulling
something that's actually functioning and working from the
game. I, I, I think the game is going
to the, you know, the problem with game is that, you know, you

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do need creativity. You do need adding new things,
but why would you pull somethingthat is so successful that
there's so much content built around?
Like why? Would you do that?
Bring back the strikes I put in the other thing like more.
Strikes. They should have left.
Yeah, just added strikes. I put out a thing probably about

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two to three years ago and it was all the strikes they've
removed and it was just like they should have done like a
season or like over a couple of seasons where they bought back.
Each one. From from the DCV and imagine
like a whole season where they where they bought back like the
9 the 9 strikes they took away. There's probably more than 9

(01:10:05):
strikes now though, right? It was nine, it was 90 is 9.
I've I've got a I've got a picture of my insta with that
and it's got like it. Feels like my best.
Fucking wow. It feels like that, but it's,
yeah, it's the nine strikes. That's not including what?
It put in the BCV. That they could have went back.
I see why I find it, which is sex.
You guys continue. I'll have a look.

(01:10:28):
Yeah, they they have to bring itback the game.
I don't want to say I will neversay dad game because I have, I
have that much. I don't know if it's faith in
Bungie. I have that much hope that they
are going to go ahead and turn it around.

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But the game is dying without GM's.
It is dying. And I will say that with my
whole entire soul is that it is dying.
They need to bring back GM's. Yeah, for sure there's.
Nothing. Else, sorry, I'm just so
passionate about it because it'slike you've got to know.

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Yeah, for sure. There's so much content built
around it, Sammy. I think we all agree GM's are.
Like I reckon we blame the guy who bought in portals.
It was him and his portal guy. The portal.
Guy, it's just. Everyone else is blaming him.
I'm blaming it now there's. One guy at Benji who's like, I'm
the portal. Only one.
That's the only one guy working on portal.

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I'm going on LinkedIn so he won't find this guy all.
Right. So.
So yeah. The next thing that was probably
big, I don't, I don't wanna say big, but the next big point in
the TWID was about obviously theportal progression, which we've
already talked about. And then they wanted to talk
about the illegal shotgun mount.Shotgun mods here.

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They say Arms Week is a periodicone week event recently
introduced in the Edge of Fate and is live this week.
It has its own event home where you'll find your daily and
weekly challenges that reward event tokens, a reward pass with
weapons, reward chips and more, as well as an event shop where

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you can spin your tokens and even more rewards.
With shotguns taking the spotlight in this iteration of
Arms Week, the tracking this state Stasis rapid fire Slug
Shotgun is available for the second time ever.
Pretty sure that is that shotgunfrom the ribbon season that

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Stasis went, which was pretty neat.
It's an it's a new archetype forslug shotguns and along with
perks like Proximity Power or Chill Clip is worth having one
around. Additionally, other other legacy
shotguns will be available to buy with event tokens.
A lot of the shotguns are probably all the shotguns you've
seen people use through the seasonal ones, so if there's a

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shotgun you're missing includinglike Ikeelos and stuff then you
can pick those up. I don't know if any of them have
new perks. I didn't see anything
specifically except for the stasis shotgun.
During this second Arms Week event, new miles will be
available to earn after you visit eight O 1 at the shooting

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range and do some field work forher, including unstable shells
where landing precision hits or most of a pellet spread will
attach a delayed explosive to the target.
Illegal trigger. Every shell fired increases rate
of fire for a short time. Magazine and reserves are
increased beyond their normal limits, and Aftershock final

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blows create a wave of deadly energy behind the target.
I'm going to go out there and say none of these matter except
for illegal trigger. If you've seen a legal trigger,
that thing is hilarious. You literally fire that gun and
then you can swap to another shotgun and you basically shoot

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like an entire magazine and thensome in like a second.
That sounds so. So much fun, so hilarious that.
Sounds amazing. So I, it's, I don't know if it's
practical, but just, you know, I, if you were to watch a
streamer do that and didn't knowabout that mod, you would think
they were hacking because it's fire is so fast.

(01:14:30):
It fires probably twice as fast as like the original rapid fire
shotguns back in the day, because those were really fast.
Like it's it's it's visually hilarious if you haven't had a
chance to see like see any videos on it.
Yeah. Got to, got, got to see that.
It's just so funny. I don't know if anyone has.
Had a question for you guys withit all.

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OK, so I understand that there are issues with those types of
things in PVPI, will not argue that whatsoever.
But with how few players actually play right now,
wouldn't you rather have people come?
Like, sure it's broken, but wouldn't you want people to come

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because they just want to experience it?
Like what I? Don't see why the.
Problem with it. Well, I sometimes as.
Far as I can tell, is it not working as intended?
I thought that's how it's supposed to be working.
So like, if it's working as intended, you might as well
check it out. I literally blew it up the other
day to get it just just to sit in the fire range and just fire

(01:15:38):
it real quick and say, oh, that's pretty neat.
Yeah, it. Reminds me of the crap that
ain't how many people. Came I'm telling my daddy,
Logan, you. Know look how.
Many people came back for the sword thing, yeah.
For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People came back because they wanted to play with it.
That's hard to mess with it. I feel like it's working as
intended though. But I, but I kind of agree with
the point that like letting things be broken while they're

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broken for a little bit is actually really good for the
game and healthy and fun, you know?
And also I, I think that's a conversation about the sandboxes
and separating the PvP and PV E sandboxes, which we all know
they can do because they have done it and they do separate
them. So if there's something broken,
then like let it be broken in Pve for a little bit, you know,

(01:16:23):
like, you know, maybe athlete keep PvP more balanced.
Like I understand that like that's really frustrating if
you're playing PvP, but like especially like you said, if the
player population is low, not that it's really high in PV
either, but if it's really low in PvP, maybe let's some let us
have some fun. You know, yeah, I mean, what's
it going to? So there was something where

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people were just farming in the most ridiculous way and it's
like, what's the point? If they if they like go and do
it faster, they're at least playing it they're at.
Least playing you want those engagement numbers.
Right, right, exactly. I, I was so I was playing
they're at least playing and andit was really funny because I

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was talking talking to Rev aboutit and he was like, it's just a
different expectation. Like in Borderlands, you go in,
you create a build, you expect to be able to delete a boss with
9 million hit points and like 3 seconds.
And if you can't do that, you need to fix your build, right?
Right. Exactly.
So it's like, it's like a different expectation.
But I feel like when you can do stuff like that in Destiny, it's

(01:17:28):
really fun. It's really, really fun.
Like the sword, the sword glitchwas so much fun going in and
just like absolutely deleting like champs, like you could just
jump and Mack a champ and it would just be gone.
Like it was just so satisfying and fun, you know?
So I, you know, I don't know, maybe maybe a little bit more of

(01:17:50):
that like every now and then really.
Fun. I think it would be fun if I
think it would be a good balanceif they made it to where sure,
those things happen. Kind of like what you were
saying with with Borderlands where it's like it's broken.
OK, whatever. Make them harder to get because

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then people will farm for them. Yeah.
Absolutely they will, 100%. Go ahead and have an overpowered
weapon in Pve, yeah, but make itmuch much harder to get.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, yeah, that's, I completely
agree. Fine for everybody, but but but
you honestly people then that I feel like then you're gonna get

(01:18:32):
the people complain who are casual, who are like, Oh my God,
I want this really powerful thing, but I can't get it 'cause
I don't have enough time, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So it's like it's always a balance.
And unfortunately I feel like they like, you know, Bungie has
to listen to everybody, right? I, I and I get it.
I, I think, I think let things be broken, not forever for a
period of time. I think that will that will be
so fun. Just like it's an I'm completely

(01:18:54):
for that. Yeah, sorry.
Go ahead, Dan. All I have to say, if you
haven't had a chance to get a legal trigger and go in the
shooting range, just go. And get a legal trigger.
Just take 5 minutes. So just check it out.
That's all I'm saying. It's it's hilarious.
They do talk a little bit about trials saying that trials is

(01:19:17):
back. It's jab 4.
The weapon this weekend was AricDisabler, which is from what I
could tell a new weapon, but I don't know if anyone's playing
trials right now depending. On I did last week for the
Wither. Wither and Gays.
Yeah, yeah. Specifically because it was.
For the raid, yeah. And then and then the raid was

(01:19:38):
so easy and we didn't really need it.
And then I went in with my, I was like, Oh my God, I've got my
wither and gays scout rifle and my my friend.
Was like. They were like, oh, it's not a
depth, it's not a depth. You need to, oh, it's terrible,
It's trash. Throw it away and I'm like OK,
fine. I had.
AI let them run with her and gays I think.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this, It has been sitting in

(01:20:01):
my vault for three years and I finally.
I. Finally deleted it right before
Edge of Fate because of all the change.
Oh, you know what? Fine.
What am I Every? What am I?
Everyone's fine. And I'm like, you know what?
Every time, every single time, my hoarding mode in gaming is

(01:20:22):
just it's just is emboldened. Anytime I'm like, OK, maybe I
won't hoard. Something happens and I'm like
Nope, I'm gonna hoard my. I wish I held on to that.
Yeah, you never know. You never know.
I I feel like the people who aregood at not hoarding, they have
the mindset of if something is good enough that I need it, I
will farm for it until I get it.Which I feel like is the right

(01:20:45):
mindset to have the only problem?
With that. The only problem with that is if
it's not obtainable in game currently, and that may be that
may be more of a a like a bungeeproblem than a player problem,
kind of like the like quote UN quote illegal armor that is
unobtainable currently. But I think that's that's where

(01:21:05):
the problem comes into play is when you when there's something
that you could have saved from before, you know that at.
Least I can go into trial and get one now if I really want to.
Really. Need.
If you really want to, you couldgrab one.
Yes, that's true. Absolutely yes.
Twitchcon is this week it. Is.
I don't think any of us are going, but Bungee is going to be
a Twitchcon. If you're in the San Diego area,

(01:21:29):
they are. They have an emblem because they
always have an emblem with them.A Twitchcon.
And if I'm not mistaken, I'll just read it, it's that time of
year. The Bungee Foundation is hitting
the road to sunny San Diego for Twitchcon October 17th to the
19th and we're bringing something special for those
attending. Track down the Bungee Foundation

(01:21:51):
team at the convention and make a in person donation to earn the
exclusive Big Heart emblem available only at Twishcon.
This is your one and only chanceto grab the limited this limited
edition emblem, so be sure to find us and say hi while we're
there. I'm going to say this right off
the bat because it happens to meevery year whether I go to

(01:22:14):
Twishcon or not. This emblem is only an emblem.
It's for a great cause. But please don't DM me.
I'm not even going to be there and I've already gotten DMS.
Please don't DM me asking. I'll give you $200.
You just give me an emblem like these content creators are

(01:22:37):
going. If they know you, they probably
will try to help you out and getyou an emblem.
But if you can't for some reasongo to twitch Conyers actual self
then if you can't find another way to get it because there will
be people that are going to buy a bunch of them and give them
away to their communities or a guest sell them again.

(01:22:57):
Don't call people names please. It happened to me last year
because I said no to people please.
It's just a number. If you can't get it that's OK.
If you can't get it, please justdonate directly to Bungie
Foundation for this emblem or, you know, reach out to a content
creator and see if they can. I'm just saying that because I
am not the only person who has gone through this where a

(01:23:19):
convention, whether it be GCX orTwitchcon or even PAX, Bungie
shows up and you are halfway across the world and you know, a
creator is getting there. And you're like, please, I'll,
I'll give you $1000 for you to, you know, give me an emblem or,
you know, I hate you if you don't.
It's just it's for a good 'causelet's keep it for being a good
'cause it's not like exploited. Right.

(01:23:42):
What are your? Thoughts on so they have the
bungee day charity event and then they have game to give like
so two year. What are your thoughts about
they do these in person things and then because I know people
are like well, can't Ioffer or can't I donate online to get

(01:24:04):
them? They make them available for the
same donation during one of those events.
I wouldn't mind that. I asked them last year, it
wasn't the best time. It was we were, it was post
convention. It was like, I want to say
Saturday night, a lot of the desk and credits were hanging
out at one of the bars and I asked one of the bungee folks

(01:24:27):
there. I was like, because I had
bought, I think 20 to give away and I bought 1 and I was like,
why don't y'all give them out? Or could, could y'all ever see a
world where maybe a month after the convention you have it
available for people to purchaseonline?
And basically they were like, we've, we've talked about it and

(01:24:49):
maybe sometime down the line it might become a reality.
That's kind of all he said. They basically, you know, I
don't want to say they brushed it off, but I guess whoever
makes that decision, they don't know.
So I personally have asked them.Yeah, yeah, you.
Know can't you let this be available for people elsewhere

(01:25:10):
in the world? Because not everyone can go to
San Diego. Not everyone can.
Go yeah that magnetic something or other the beach looking one.
Didn't they do that one for gameto give eventually?
I think they did. I feel like a lot of these, a
lot of these are limited editionwhen they 1st come out and then
they, they release them during like a bungee foundation event.

(01:25:31):
And I feel like that's really the best way to do it because I
think it makes it makes them like the exclusivity exists,
right? But it exists for a period of
time. So if you get it early access,
when you get it from an event orwhatever, go to Twitchcon, get
the emblem, then you're like rocking it.
People are like, Oh my God, where'd you get that?
That's so cool. And then it creates this desire
for it and then hopefully raisesmore money for charity when they

(01:25:54):
release it more generally for donation during an event, which
is, like we said, the whole point of it raising money for a
good cause. So anything they can do to make
that happen, I think they absolutely should.
And if it becomes less exclusivewhen they do it, too bad.
You know, it's like you're stillgetting a cool emblem, you're
still supporting an amazing 'cause I feel like that's

(01:26:15):
literally the best way to do it.Yeah, I don't know.
It's, it's, it's a weird thing because what's going to happen
is even if you aren't going to Twitchcon, you probably are
going to get Adm from your community saying, hey,
absolutely. Would you happen to be going to
Twitchcon? If so, can I just give you 50
bucks real quick just or you'll get the people, which is going
to happen as well. Is that they're going to buy 50

(01:26:37):
of them and then the next day you'll see on Twitter giving
away 400 emblems, you know, follow.
Right, right. They're like, like, follow,
repost, you know? It's unfortunate everyone's
trying to play the Emblem roulette.
Yeah. It's one thing I hate about that
is that then you have so many creators doing giveaways that

(01:27:00):
they think it's a creator emblem.
Yeah. People think it's a creator and
then they're like, well, I want those and I'm like, I don't have
them and they're like, OK, I'll go to a different stream.
Yep, Yep, that's true. And it's like it's not a creator
emblem, guys. But it the emblem exclusive,
like desire, it'll wean off of itself a week or two later.

(01:27:23):
But like, it's, I don't know, just get over yourself.
It's just an emblem. Support the bungee cause more so
than just trying to get this in IRA.
That's what I've always told people.
We have one bungee reward as well.
With the new acts that came out this week, there is a hoodie

(01:27:44):
that is also being added to the bungee reward store.
Who said you can't teach an old wolf new tricks?
Complete mission Heliostat to earn the Bungee Rewards Wolf's
Bang Hoodie by December 31st, 2025 by 9:59 AM Pacific Standard

(01:28:05):
Time to unlock this Bungee Rewards offer.
And it's actually a really cool hoodie.
Not me going to store right now.Nah.
It looks great. Yeah, it's really.
Good wonder is if the hoodie is slim or is it like a baggy
hoodie? Like I would love for it to be
like a baggy hoodie. Yeah, like size sizing advice.
Yeah. It looks like a slimy too I

(01:28:25):
like. The baby size up on it.
Yeah, yeah. It looks really cool, I don't
know if it has a picture of the back though.
But hey, is it kind of like, it's kind of like that raised
sort of print, isn't it? Yes, with like a little you can
feel the the. The Oh, I like that, yeah.
Yes, there isn't anything on theback, but it it's it's really

(01:28:47):
nice. Yeah.
So if you, if you like that hoodie, make sure you pick that
up. You have plenty of time.
I'm pretty sure once you complete the mission it'll pop
up saying hey hey go go buy thisat the at the bungee store.
So don't miss that out. $70 USD.That including tax and shipping,

(01:29:09):
huh? Of course, depending when you
are where you are I. Know it's so expensive it is
getting winter time though. But you better really want the
hoodie. We have some player support.
Player support reports just unknown issue list.
The vault from the vault from inventory function is not
working when using a controller.Plan awards not plan award.

(01:29:34):
Ingrams client cannot be claimedby players over 500 power.
Really. I know.
That's crazy. Yeah.
The new competitive emblem reaching Ascendant 3 is not
visible in collection, so if you're someone playing comp and
haven't, never get your emblem, that's why.
Abilities. This week we had like a bunch of
reworks and obviously the biggest one was Lloyd Warlock

(01:29:57):
where the warlock is kind of nutty right now with all the
grenades. Vortex grenades are pushing some
enemy types away instead of pulling them in.
I find that hilarious actually. Isn't that how people are
pushing people off the microbans?
I don't. Are they?
I think it's so funny. It's so funny, yeah.

(01:30:18):
The chains to Warlock's Glacial Harvest aspects to remove Stasis
Shard creation cooldown in PDE will be released in update 9.1.
Point 5.1 Arc chaining from the lethal current aspect is not
activate. Is not activating Combination
below. I guess that's for the arc

(01:30:39):
hunters and exiting We walk witha finisher does not grant woven
mail. Also the world of the whirling
ovation catalyst is still not dropping as intended and heavy
crossbows are not piercing non champion immunity Shields with
anti barrier belt equipped. So there's not a lot going on.

(01:31:01):
But like there's a few things that they wanted to address.
The Stronghold exotic armor is not granting infinite guard to
special ammo swords. Still Heliosat has an issue.
There was a couple issues I noticed but I didn't know if
that was intentional. But the Heliosat exotic mission
lists the incorrect selection ofchampions.

(01:31:22):
When previewing the activity, itshould state that the players
will encounter Barrier and unstoppable.
There is not a lot of champions in this.
I when I did it on ultimate there was 3 and encounter maybe
so maybe that's why I didn't really even pay attention to the
to what I had to run. Also the Hilliard side mission

(01:31:46):
is not granting Wolfsbane intrinsics to all players in
fire team. This part I did notice.
If you are running this mission for anyone here or listening
that hasn't had a chance to do it yet, there are all of these
hidden collectibles that you have to interact with.
If you interact with the one, there's three sets of three.

(01:32:08):
When you interact with it, whoever hits the first one, if
someone else hits the second andthird, only the person that hit
the first will get credit basically.
So if you break one and then Sammy breaks one and then I
break one, for example, only oneof us is going to get the
credit. So if you want to do it,

(01:32:29):
unfortunately, your best bet to make sure you have your time
respected in doing this is running on normal, which is
light level 10. And just break all of them by
yourself because you might not get credit for any of them, or
you might get credit for all of them and you still have to run
it again so everyone else can get their chance at getting the
intrinsics. Yeah, it's supposed to grant it

(01:32:51):
to everyone, but it's not working still.
So hopefully in the future if you're running with buddies,
they can fix it. But for now, just run it solo
and just get them all by yourself.
OK, Probably the other big things, yes.
Don't play with a friend. Don't play with a friend.
Don't play. With friends.

(01:33:12):
You must have friends. I mean.
Nah, not. Really.
My my friend, is Caldera. So you.
Know your friend is the mines. I was born in the mines, moulded
by them. Those are probably the big
things from the from the Twid. Most of the Twid was about

(01:33:33):
heliostat and 1st. I just wait until more people
have had experience and I kind of wanted to see after reset as
far as Agatel, there's we're used to anxiety mission coming
out and a different every week having like a different version
of it to like do all the stuff. But now they're like everything
kind of dropped on the mission week one.
We don't have to deal with the week two week 3 to claim

(01:33:56):
everything. So it kind of seemed like Helios
that once they fix some of theseissues, yeah, it's probably like
all sudden it's kind of all saidand done, it's kind of it.
So it's not too much else until we get festival, which I think
is in two weeks. Festival is October 21st, 21st.
They they actually talked about it in a previous twid.

(01:34:18):
So I went and looked it up. They said festival loss will be
back on October 21st with a new six player activity to earn
exclusive weapons. So there's going to be a new six
player activity for that. And then Call to Arms is coming
out on November 11th, which willprepare Guardians for Destiny 2
Renegades coming December 2nd. So that's kind of the schedule

(01:34:39):
upcoming for for things going on.
Yeah, there's a new, I'm excited.
There's oh savvy, there's a new vote.
There's a new it's the day aftermy birthday.
Oh my God, happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday. Thanks.
And there's a new bow the day after my birthday.
Oh. My God, happy birthday.
Baby, are you going to actually use this?
Unlike the Sammy? Can't modify yours in the

(01:35:00):
portal, Sammy. I am OK, OK, I can't say more
because it's in you. Should use this bow in this in
the portal I. Should.
Someone's really trying to get your attention to.
It excited about it guys, I'm going to I'm going to have a
birthday stream and we're going to have cupcakes and maybe I'll

(01:35:25):
have. Do we all get cupcakes or is?
It just cheese, crochet and. It's everyone can have cupcakes
and it's. Cupcakes.
Everyone will be there. I need 5 friends to have a
birthday party with me. You're friends?
Wait, we went over this. We we went over this.
We did the lack of friends that I have.

(01:35:47):
So oh, man, yeah, I, I if you need me, I'll be there.
I'm there, I'm there. A captain.
Yep, I'll bring bows. It's fine.
Yeah. I'll bring the one bow I have.
The one singular bow I. It's.
I have bows. If Dan asks me to come and bring
glaves, then we're there Weren'ta bad.

(01:36:08):
I don't have a glave. You asked for a bow.
I got bows. I ain't.
Got it. So remember that time I.
Delete all the glaves. That Rev made us use glaves and
then we had to go get blades. I hated it.
Excuse me, Excuse me. Back up, back up.
What was that? It was.
For Rev main event. Yes, he made.
Use because it was unstoppable. Glave it was, yeah.

(01:36:30):
And actually, I have to say he was right.
It was actually really. He was totally right, but he was
about it. This is the same Gleaves.
This is the same man that will not let me use Gleves.
Because you like Gleaves, that'swhy.
Oh no, another Gleave enjoyer. Why?
Why do I have so many Gleave enjoyers on the show?

(01:36:51):
I don't even know so many Gleaveenjoyers, and I think there was
one, There was one last thing that we wanted to talk about
before we get into questions. And you brought this up, Dan,
that I hadn't heard of this. You said the community's talking
about it. We should probably talk about
it. I wanted to the very least
mention it, but I wanted to preface this that a lot of times

(01:37:13):
things come across the communityand people will see it and they
will cry all doom and gloom. And I had to do my own research
about it first before I even brought it up because it's
already starting to spread like wildfire.
And I think this morning when I woke up I had like 5 different

(01:37:34):
Destiny creators make a video onit.
And I'm I'm pretty sure we'll get a question or at least one
of the listeners will probably have also seen it.
But there was recently the account by the name of D2
Clarity they're known for doing putting a lot of like super high

(01:37:55):
in depth information from the API and putting it into a really
neat concept for me, not a very smart person to understand
basically and comprehend what's happening behind the scenes in
just a world of destiny. They are very.
If you guys are wondering about the source, D2 Clarity is

(01:38:17):
another bungee creator who definitely does their homework.
They're on the API side of a lotof it and most of the from what
my experiences they are very reputable, yes, and very
thorough. Very thorough and as someone who

(01:38:38):
doesn't know a lot about how theinner workings of Destiny goes,
like how like the meat and potatoes of like Destiny is,
seeing it from the eyes of people that know and somehow
putting it in a way that I can even comprehend is always very
nice. So absolutely they had a they

(01:38:58):
made a post recently, what's today, the 12th yesterday
morning talking about how a colleague or friend of theirs
had created a website called popularity report.
In this report, it pulls the player accounts of Destiny 2.
You're probably going to hear that and say, well, a lot of

(01:39:19):
other services have pulled play reports in the past.
Everyone talks about player count, but from Destiny 2's
launch, I've never seen a playercount report.
You utilize every platform. Normally we talk about numbers,
they talk about Steam counts, orthey talk about all this other

(01:39:40):
stuff. Somehow they've figured out
through the API how to calculateevery player, whether you play
it on Xbox, PlayStation, Epic Games, or Steam.
I'm not. I don't think I'm missing any
platform, but it's basically theentire culmination of all of the
platforms and into pretty grass.And it's in chat if you want to

(01:40:01):
look at it yourself. And the graphs show the player
counts from launch of Destiny 2 to to now.
And it was very interesting to see how the player counts has
gone up and down. I don't want to say the player
counts to mean anything these graphs because there's still a

(01:40:23):
lot of under things that are that I don't understand.
But it was very interesting to see because everyone talks about
how the player counts are down. Well, it's interesting to see
how much the player accounts have gone down too much over the
past eight years. Yeah.
Yeah, so you're seeing like the peaks in the valleys and seeing
like, OK, this is when the Red War campaign launched or D2, OK,

(01:40:46):
this is when Kurtz was Cyrus happened.
This is when Shadowkeep, this iswhen Forsaken.
This is when, you know, every year you can see the big spikes.
But you can also see what I first noticed was patterns.
You see the expansion pattern, you'd see a kind of dip, you'd
see seasonal jumps, you'll see the dips.
And throughout the the years youcan kind of very blatantly see

(01:41:12):
peaks and valleys and you can kind of, if you've been around
the community long enough, you can kind of see, OK, this makes
sense. Why was so high then?
This makes sense. Why was so high then?
So I will say the one that has everyone dimming room.
Not me personally but I found itvery interesting is I instantly
went to Curse of Osiris because I was playing.
Yes, yes, yes. And I looked at the numbers of

(01:41:36):
Curse of Osiris versus the numbers now and.
Yeah. I know it is damning, how
similar, some of it. Is there's it's around like 3 to
400 K, yes, player base, but arethe number the current player
pop right now is similar to course of Osiris.
But the, the crazy thing to me, Dan, is that it looks like, I

(01:41:58):
mean, the peaks are like start off like 3 million, 2 million
and then like since 2021. So like for the last, you know,
what is that like, like like like for the last four or five
years, like when there's a new DLC, it peaks somewhere between
1.5 and two, right? Very consistently though, it
peaks that. But after Final Shape that
peaked around the same. It peaked around like 1.51.6.

(01:42:21):
But Edge of Fate was not even close to that.
It was like 700 and then and then now we're versus Cyrus
level, which I. Think was a raid.
I don't know, but seeing 870 less than 1,000,000 for a launch
of this game was very interesting.
So I mean, it really does. It's interesting because it kind
of confirms what we've all been feeling, that something happened

(01:42:45):
after Final Shape and the playerpopulation really hasn't even
even on the spikes, isn't comingback to the levels that it was.
It seems to be like trending down Edge of Fate was not enough
to bring back the numbers. And then we really are in not
just not just a normal valley, but a Curse of Osiris level
valley without like the sizable spikes.

(01:43:06):
So it was I was. But it's interesting to see the
data kind of back up what we've all been feeling in our guts
about what's going on, you know?Yeah, it was very interesting.
And I and I unfortunately I looked at it at 1st and I was
like, how legit is this? But I, I looked at it and then
I, I compared it to some other numbers just that were out there

(01:43:29):
and taking into account how reputable the source was and
just everything just made sense that like the highs and the
values. And there was another graph in
the same page that talks about anew player onboarding.
And you can see a lot of peaks and values in the in the

(01:43:49):
onboarding, some during like certain seasons and some during
a lot of the expansions. And while the Red War campaign
obviously has a lot of deep purples and Reds, because
everyone was on boarding, because it was a new game, you
can see that a lot of the over the years, the amount of new

(01:44:10):
players isn't nearly as much as players leaving, which I think
they also came out. And because a lot of people were
taking it out of context and they were saying, let's be
clear, I might not be able to put this into like totality
context. There still are new players
playing this game or coming to this game every day.

(01:44:32):
I think they said around 10 KA day, which isn't nothing.
So they're still in new players.But you're not seeing the peaks.
You're not seeing. It's obviously it seems like
more players are just leaving than coming back.
I don't think these numbers are 100% accurate.

(01:44:52):
Only Bungie will know that. Yeah, we don't know for sure.
But these numbers are probably the closest numbers that we can
get without actually being a part of.
Bunch of things to their Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, what you're saying isit sounds like there's also
there's a retention problem. They're like a retention problem
and an. Onboarding problem.

(01:45:12):
Wow. So it's like.
I think all of us have either heard or set ourselves that,
yeah, we have a lot of people inour community or just people
that we know that are just. Anecdotally, yes.
Yes, you know, so yes. Yes, we don't have, we don't
have, we have anecdotal information, not on the like
level of hundreds of thousands of account information.
But anecdotally, it's interesting that like the, the,

(01:45:34):
the, the larger information is kind of confirming what we've
all been hearing from our communities and from like people
in Destiny Digest chat and what not.
So I think, I think if you get achance to click on that link and
look at some of the graphs, I think I think it's fascinating.
I think it's really, really interesting.
And they go into, there's other graphs too, right?
There's time played productivity.
So if you're a gambit enjoyer, you could go and kind of like

(01:45:55):
dig down into that hours played product per activity.
I think that the the the most played activities bar graph is
so interesting because the top three are all Crucible, all
Crucible. It's Control at the top with
3,000,000 hours quick play, 1.7 million and 1.3 for Trials of
Osiris. Which to me is a little

(01:46:17):
surprising but also not because I feel like I've always thought
when Destiny has down times, Crucible is what keeps it going.
Like it is basically the lifeblood like that perpetuates
the game when there's Pve downturn.
It's like Crucible is there for us.
You know one thing. That's interesting.

(01:46:38):
Is that all of those are multiplayer.
You play with friends, you play with other people.
All of them. Yep, they're match made.
Yeah, yes, match made. There is a huge social aspect to
the three most popular. Yep, and I'll and I, but the 4th
1 is the minds yeah, next on thelist is Caldera 1.2 million

(01:47:03):
hours in Caldera. So the the solo solo minds are
are the next one. And then after that is is the is
the new raid. But but that's interesting
because it's amount played and II would assume it's probably
less people in the raid and but putting more time in is probably
why that statistic is as high asit is.
But I, I thought the the first review in Crucible was was very,

(01:47:23):
very interesting. But like, feel free to click on
the link and check it out. It's yeah, fascinating stuff.
I just also like graphs. Yeah, same I.
Don't game. Visual.
Game Yeah, I. Don't like math?
Visual data. But one thing I do like about
math is I just like seeing graphs and like that just it
just itches that part of my brain.
So like seeing that I was like, OK, I can understand this.

(01:47:45):
So I do your own research. Also, I would take this with a
grain of salt because again. Sure, it's not official data.
Unless we work at Bungie and seethese numbers officially, it
could all be for nothing, but itis in my opinion, the most
accurate version of the total like total community that then
we've ever had. Just very interesting because it

(01:48:06):
just falls in line with just a lot of what's happened over the
past just half, half a decade, half a decade really since
beyond like, if not more. Yep, Yep.
All right. I think we're good to move into
community questions. Thank you so much to everybody
who submitted 1. Thank you.

(01:48:26):
Let's see, the first one is fromJack Master.
The Jack master. Do you think Pantheon and rights
of the 9 is viable with tiered gear in this current content
model? Some of the tier gears just a
tier one through 5 is what they mean.
I think yes, I would say. I would say yes.

(01:48:46):
I would say yes. I would say yes, just because
I've been doing epic raids and like 5 feet raids with without
being having tier 5 gear. Was it optimal for me?
Is it optimal for me? No because I I'm not getting my
super back as fast as other players.
I'm not making the ammo that other players are.

(01:49:08):
But can we shore up some of those things and make it make it
completable? Yes it is but I I definitely
think like getting the tier 5 isis more optimal but I I think
that if pantheon the right of the 9 came out like I would
probably still be able to play it even if I didn't have tier
fives. That's my personal opinion, I
don't know what you guys think. I think as far as end game goes

(01:49:30):
in general and I've been told that I'm crazy, so my opinion
you are a little. Crazy but your opinion?
Is still. Valid.
We're all little crazy. I've been doing mass solo master
goes to the deep and solo masterother content on tier 3 armor so

(01:49:50):
I don't think it's necessary. Would it?
It would help. It would help.
It would. Help.
It would definitely help. It would be smarter for me to go
and actually get the armor sets that would help me, but I'm too
stubborn to do that. But even Tier 2, I was doing it
Tier 2 earlier. It's definitely possible.

(01:50:13):
If you're playing with other people, it's even easier.
Definitely. Yeah.
Yeah. Mm.
Hmm. Agreed.
Agreed. Yep.
I I would. Is it really that crazy to do it
on tier that? Crazy now.
It's not at all. It's not at all.
I've been doing tier two or two.I've been using old armor like
and I guess if you're using illegal armor, technically

(01:50:34):
that's not even a tiered armor, right?
So you know, like absolutely youcan.
Excellent. The best armor of the game
doesn't even have a tier. So because of the stat
distribution right? Isn't illegal armor technically
old armor without a tier? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So technically doesn't you is. That still considered the best.

(01:50:54):
Well, I mean, I think if you're looking for a very, very
specific stat distribution that you can't get now, but but.
Certainly like having, yeah, having the illegal stats, Yeah,
it feels like you're, how do I say, wasting that you're giving
up so much extra. So much extra right?
Like like the like the set bonuses which are.

(01:51:15):
Huge. Yeah.
And like. All the access.
Everywhere. I have old armor being that I'm
only at tier 3. Well now I'm at Tier 4, but when
I was at just tier 3 and I wouldgo and optimize armor through
the API sites, it would give me older armor.
But I ended up using newer armorbecause the armor sets are so

(01:51:39):
good. And I will eat my words from
months ago saying that I will never grind for armor sets,
saying that it would never be something that would influence
me. But damn they are nice I.
Know my benefits are so good. They're so good.
Yeah, I just, I have two, I havetwo trials pieces and two raid

(01:52:06):
pieces right now. And for the trials set, it gives
you I believe health when you run over ammo.
I want that. Amazing.
It's really good, right? I don't know.
What to do for? But even with the two, even with
the 2 two from the set you get, you get about benefit to
survivability, which is fantastic.
It's amazing. I just wonder because I don't

(01:52:28):
know if it's just me. I know we talk about the illegal
intellect super intellect super stats.
Yes. Yes.
I've gotten a lot of tier fives that have a lot of intellect and
a lot of super or I guess weaponand super now.
I don't know, Like I don't know if it's because of it being two
or five specifically, maybe. But like, I started deleting

(01:52:51):
stuff because I was like, wait, I'm still getting 30 weapons and
30 super before having to put like a mod in on certain drops,
Yeah. So at the end of the day, it
makes up for it. Yeah, and I was like, well, why
would I keep this angle when I get all the extra points?
No, absolutely, absolutely. You wouldn't for sure.
It's like, so I don't know if like them saying the illegal

(01:53:13):
armor for that wouldn't be pulled over because I kind of
feel like I got them pulled overwith better stuff so maybe I'm
missing something with that. I don't, yeah, I don't
personally don't know. I just like hear people talk
about it. Yeah, but but you know, I'm
still running like really poor tears, you know, I don't find it
makes, I don't find it makes a difference except for when I'm

(01:53:36):
trying to be a helper and maybe like having a better set of
armor would help me help people get through content better.
And that's the only time I feel like I'm missing out.
So. I do miss rez, I miss
resilience, resilience, even having a high number and

(01:53:57):
resilience, even if it didn't doas much for me, just having a
higher number makes me feel better because right now I'm
like. Where's my resilient?
Side taking too much damage. Yeah, it hurts.
No, I know. Unfortunate.
Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, sure, HD says.

(01:54:21):
If you had the choice, would you, would you remove the portal
and go back to the old episode of Model?
I feel like if you've listened to any of this episode, I think
we would all agree we would probably be okay with the
portal, yeah. I feel like.
Keep portal. I would keep portal.

(01:54:43):
I think you said it right earlier, Portal being
supplemental or at least onboarding is probably the best
choice. Would have been the.
Best yeah, supplemental, I thinkI.
Think totally amazing if it weresupplemental.
Right, I think the problem my problem is not its existence,
it's funneling all progression through portal is my problem.
Yes. Oh, that's a good one.
I think they should only remove portal when Sammy uses those

(01:55:04):
modifiers. You heard of Sammy to?
The portal guy. For the rest.
Of us. You guys understand how guilty I
feel. I feel so good.
No one's, no one's coming to thestream and blamed you about
that, right? They'd be.
Like I'm going. To.

(01:55:25):
Stop. Why are you using the all bow or
why aren't you using the no HUD?And then there are people who
have actually blamed me for themadding it to the game.
I'm like you know they're optional right?
I. Said I was joking.
God. And then there was someone else
who got really mad at me becausethere's something you have to do

(01:55:48):
for Guardian rank where you haveto play with no HUD.
And they're like, that is my fault.
I'm. No idea.
How dare you? How dare you?
It's all your fault. Yep.
I get a lot of hate for those. That's fair, yeah.
Yeah, I guess fix portal, make it onboarding and supplemental

(01:56:08):
and then we're all good. Yep.
I. Guess then we're good.
Yeah, question answered. Cryo Phoenix.
I imagine Sammy has answered this too many times, but does
Sammy count a crossbow as a bow?I do.
I do mostly for utility sake. That's.
The easiest two word answer ever.

(01:56:31):
But OK, here's the thing, is that the crossbow.
You have to deal with the reloading and it doesn't hit as
hard as Levy's. The only really big thing is
that you can go and fetch your your ammo and and then yeah,

(01:56:52):
that should I'm. Sorry, I should have read that
all this. You can go get your ammo and
then you can what else use otherexotic bows.
Yeah, but what other exotic bow would you use now?
Like because a lot of the reallygood bows are not even exotic

(01:57:15):
anymore. Yeah, I know.
I, I try, I'm I'm trying real hard here guys, trying real hard
here. Who's Eddie?
How do you think Bungie is goingto handle knocking us back down
in gear tears with no power level reset anymore?

(01:57:38):
Oh, that's a good question. It's not gonna bother them
whatsoever. They're gonna get a full night's
sleep. It's.
Wouldn't they make it easier to like just keep farming for your
tier fives because you're already there?
Just keep. Farming already?
Yeah, it would make it easier. What?
Do you do? Yeah.
I don't see, oh, I don't wanna say I don't see a bad part of

(01:58:00):
this, but like I'm going to waitand see because I wouldn't, I
wouldn't be surprised if they rolled that part back as well.
We still got a month or so. Who?
Knows yeah, we they could also update that too.
Happy Thanksgiving, by the way, and we're not.
Keep your tier 5 armor. Somebody's saying in child that

(01:58:22):
it isn't happening, that they'renot going to knock us back down.
How we get on that too? I know they were doing the
power. I haven't, I don't remember
reading that, but I would not besurprised if they rolled that
back too. It just seems that like all the
stuff that they are doing, they have to roll back to make
Renegades as successful as possible.
So anything. That they need to.
Watch it be like how power they just kept adding power level.

(01:58:45):
They just keep adding tears. Tier 15 tier.
Tier 69. Tier 25?
That's crazy. Oh my goodness.
The human race has like, died off.
There's overgrown, overgrown. That might make the most.

(01:59:08):
Cities and everything. Having to work towards.
It and just the bungee AI is just still creating gear tears.
September 20 OK, I feel like we might have talked about them,
but like. I was.
So deep into the holiday night at that point, probably that.
Yeah, you probably were. Yeah, you're a little busy.

(01:59:29):
The last question we have Cryo Phoenix, with the larger
creators choosing to produce less or no content around D2, do
you think this will allow the rise of smaller creators to fill
the void? This is a rough question.
It's a hot tape, but I would say.
That might I I? Don't think.

(01:59:51):
Chime in with my professional. Sort of what I do for work,
it's. Your hot tape?
Yeah, your professional take. You the, the amount of people I
see in the directory that are brand new that I've never heard
of and even just through like, you know, people that are either
just returning, therefore peoplewouldn't have heard of or that

(02:00:13):
are picking everything up for the first time and giving things
a go. In my line of work, people
always starting to try to figureout how to stream, how to start
up, you know all that. So there is never going to be a
a, a little amount of people trying to put stuff out when

(02:00:34):
someone steps away. And we've seen it right over the
years, someone steps away, someone will jump in to fill
their shoes or do something differently and build on what
that person did. So it's yes and no.
The obviously the community has to be there for people to be

(02:00:55):
able to step up into that role. So that's the one thing they
have to rely on. But we already see it like in
the last year with so many people sort of stepping away or
stepping on to other games. There are a bunch of new,
especially on Twitch, there's a bunch of new in the Destiny

(02:01:15):
community, bunch of new Destiny,two partners, creators that have
all just come out of the woodwork and started setting
things up. And I'm still seeing it now
whenever I go and look at the directory.
I'm still trying to keep up to date with everything you know
for my own profession so. I feel like the question
requires a bit more clarity because when we talk about like

(02:01:41):
ass across that O flat, like that's the 0.001%, there's a
difference in a creator replacing that versus a 1%
creator, which is probably as anyone who's a Twitch partner.
Basically that's the way I look at it.
If you're a Twitch partner and you're a 1% creator because

(02:02:04):
there's so few of them. So I guess I feel like you're
answering the question more in asense of anyone can grow a
following, but I I just don't see the audience there for
another 0.01% unless. Well, here's something to

(02:02:25):
consider. I'll be total transparency. 110%
transparency here. I am scared shitless about where
I'm at right now because I am a Destiny 2 streamer on Twitch.
It is. It is not a good position to be
in. I don't do variety and it it

(02:02:48):
terrifies me. Two reasons why is because right
now if you go to browse for Destiny 2, it's 2.7 K viewers.
That's all 2.7 K. And if you look at the actual
category, let me see viewers high to low 155 of those are

(02:03:12):
diffizzle, 153 of those are reminiscent snazzy is 153.
Like add those up those, those add up quick.
So where they where are they going to go?
But another thing to consider isTwitch changed how viewers are
counted. So I used to get the majority of
my views, I always streamed overnight because I would get

(02:03:36):
rates to come in. And then those viewers, those
count or lurkers would count towards my view count and they
would also count towards ad revenue.
Well now they're not counting lurkers really if they have more
than two tabs open watching 2 streams.
So I have to totally redo everything and I'm a Twitch

(02:03:59):
partner. I have to totally rethink how
I'm going to approach streaming Destiny 2 on Twitch.
And I cannot imagine what it's like to be a smaller creator
because the majority of the people who come to my stream
now, especially since I haven't been streaming as much, are my

(02:04:19):
regular community that I've built up over years.
Because there's not enough people watching in the Destiny 2
directory to really go and find other people newer.
To have the top viewer, the top streamers right now not even be
over 200 is wild. That's wild.
Like wild, just crazy that the top streamers I have 150 right

(02:04:44):
now. Like that's crazy to me.
It's just it like I, yeah, everything.
I agree with everything you saidto me.
It's, it's scary. Let me see.
That's 300. That is 600.

(02:05:04):
Well, some of these people are streaming together, so like,
that's you. Know.
Oh yeah, yeah. Still, that's like.
The only way? Well, that's.
The. Smartest way to bolster that
number right now? Absolutely.
Right now 1000, it looks like about 1000 viewers of the 2.7 K
are the top within the top top. Page streamers yeah, yeah, I

(02:05:25):
feel like it's tough. I I think that I think both are
true. I think that it's a tough
directory right now just becausethe viewership is so low, but
also Dan Dan's point, like a sorry bonus point, like to like
there like it is a space where as a new creator you can kind of
like rise because there's less competition.
I think that's also true. But I think it's just numbers
all across Twitch are depressed right now because of the

(02:05:46):
changes. And we actually were talking
about this as a group before we went live.
And so we're curious to see what's kind of what news is
going to kind of come out of Twitchcon about that.
But yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens.
But it's it's definitely a weirdplace, especially as a Destiny 2
creator if you're solely focusedon Destiny 2.
I mean, personally, like I'm like, let's play other games,

(02:06:08):
but I'm still gonna go and play Destiny.
Song and I'm. Nervous about it, Yeah.
Oh my God. But you love it.
You're going right after and play it right.
Yeah. I think the other thing that
people don't realize is when youthink of other, one thing I
noticed that personally change my view on it is unlike other

(02:06:29):
years when Destiny wasn't great or Destiny wasn't doing well or
there were down times, the viewership for Destiny was still
very high. Still very good.
There was still a lot of interest.
There was still a lot of communities growing.
Yeah, even with Pantheon. Obviously Pantheon was like
huge. Oh my God, Pantheon was so huge
for everybody. It really was big, yeah.
Unlike those times you see the numbers significantly lower

(02:06:56):
closer to a expansion launch. Like this is the kind of numbers
you would see maybe a month before a new expansion that
it's, you know? It's wild.
We are in a very weird place right now for sure.
And I think that the, the directory, the Twitch directory,
I think the number charts that we looked at from the popularity
report, I think anecdotally whatwe're hearing from our streams,

(02:07:19):
I think it's all kind of kind oflike say the same thing and
hopefully Bungie's paying attention and.
I really feel bad for some people.
Who changes you? Know.
Yeah, they're something going tobe tough right now.
That's going to be tough right now.
Yeah, I feel for that, honestly.Incredibly disheartening.
For those in chat that were kindof like wait what do you mean

(02:07:41):
about the As far as lurkers, this is from the partner Twitch.
Partner discord specifically it says for years we've counted a
limited number of sessions per IP address towards viewer count.
If you have a lot of streams more than a normal viewer could

(02:08:03):
reasonably watch open in many different tabs, our system may
determine that you are not actively watching and you will
not be counted in any of those streams as a viewer.
So if you have like 5 streams open and you're watching of
them, you're watching this one. You won't be counted in this
one. Mind you, this is how it used to

(02:08:26):
be like reconsider COVID or you know, just at the start of COVID
and then they changed it. It's a lot of sort of old wives
tales when it comes to sort of shit on Twitch.
But there's, you know, they do put out clarification, but this
is something that they kind of put in the background and then

(02:08:47):
people started to notice and nowit's been had to, they now had
to come out and address it cuz it's, it's, it's quite bull, all
those. Third party apps that people use
to be logged into a live streams.
You don't count for any of them.They did confirm.
No, yeah, none of them. So if you're like, I'm gonna
leave a tab open, we'll make sure you only have two tabs.

(02:09:08):
Yeah, only not going to count atall.
And then also, even if you are just, you know, watching one or
two streams, if you go and lurk and you haven't like tabbed back
in, you're just listening in thebackground, that is doesn't
count. Yep.
From what I've heard, you do nothave to be active in chat though
your IP, just you don't have to be active in chat.

(02:09:29):
Yeah, what I've I've sort of seen and from what everyone's
sort of talking about is if you don't even tab back in every now
and again, it it basically interrupts the.
The connection to or the the counting the.
The registering counting you'll.Still count as a user in chat,

(02:09:50):
but it does that yes, correct view count.
The only time that doesn't you go away if you're watching a
stream is if you close the chat.You know that little arrow at
the top and you close the chat and it minimizes it.
That's the only time. If you're watching someone and
you click that, that's the only time your name removes from the
chat. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

(02:10:13):
It's. Really crazy.
All right, all right. Anything else that we didn't
cover that you guys wanna bring up before we close this out?
I think we're good. Looking good, feeling good.
Well, I would like to say thank you so much to our amazing.
Panel. For joining us this week, many
big thanks to Epic Dan for setting this all up on OBS, and

(02:10:35):
thank you to everybody else for joining us tonight.
We're just going to go through and if you could please let us
know what you guys are up to this week and where we can find
you online. We're going to start with Sammy
Cat. You guys can find me on
twitch@twitch.tv/sammy cat. I'm going to be posting more on
TikTok, which is TikTok Sammy cat plays.

(02:10:57):
I'm also Sammy Cat plays on Twitter so I'm going to try and
and get things out there. You too, Sammy Cat Regular Sammy
Cat. No plays.
Amazing. All right, Epic.
Dan, where can we find you and what are you up to this week?
Going back into the mines, but this time, this time in Ghost of
Your Day. Got one final.

(02:11:18):
Superpose if you wanna see unrivaled minds for the last 9.
Switch that TV slash. Epic Dan 22 the play the the
play through will also be on theYouTube sooner or later at
twitch, at YouTube, Epic Dan 22 TikTok has the highlights and
another. If you Google Epic Dan 22,

(02:11:38):
you'll find me everywhere. Wonderful.
All right, Bona, what are you upto this week and where can we
find you? Boy, so I'm going to actually
meet Dan Finity tomorrow. Oh my God.
Yes, the beard rubbing, Yes. I'm going to be rubbing beards
with Mr. Dan. He's come.
With. UK so I get to meet Dan for the

(02:12:01):
first time tomorrow. That's going to be fantastic.
I'm going to go up and stay a couple of days in London because
on Wednesday I'm also going to see if you know the team from
Designs by Dizzy. Some people will know them and
they do a lot of artwork for people in the community.
I'm going to meet them as well on Wednesday.
So I get to spend a few days in London meeting some amazing
friends that I've made through, you know, this community over

(02:12:25):
the past few years. And yeah, but you know, on
socials you can find me BonafideHero that's an I instead of an E
and yeah, just basically on the dune when I can can jump on
stream and I can jump on gaming,so.
Wonderful. I know you love that Dune
awakening. Yeah.
I gotta get the spice me and. This voice, this voice addicted

(02:12:48):
to this voice. And hi, I am totally.
You can find me twitch.tv/italy Monday through Friday, 9:00
central. I'm going to probably get back
into the usual things, Destiny 2, Borderlands grinding and and
whatnot. And with that, thank you so much
for joining us for episode 118 of Destiny Digest.

(02:13:08):
Have an amazing night and we hope you find what you're
grinding for.

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