The Murder of Sherri Rasmussen

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We are back from a long (unscheduled) break! In this episode, Kiki brings us the death of Sherri Rasmussen and Rachel tells us about the missing teen Daisy Joy Rodriguez. We also talk about what we've been reading and watching. 

Our next book is the classic "Helter Skelter" by Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry. We will discuss it in episode 32.

Sources: 

Sherri Rasmussen:

People Magazine Investigates - Season 2 Episode 5 - "Once Bitten"
20/20 Season - 47 episode 3 - "The Killer Down the Hall"
The Atlantic - The Lazarus File by Matthew McGough 

Daisy Joy Rodriguez
Heresanantonnia.com "Community Rallies to find San Antonia Missing Team"

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Kiki and I'm Rachel.
I was drinking tea.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
And this is.
Details Are Sketchy, a truecrime podcast.
And, yes, we're late again.
That is kind of my fault, butalso not really my fault.
My computer just I saved mycase and then it just froze and
then decided not to actuallysave anything.

(00:26):
So I was like, fuck it, becausefinals were this week, yeah,
and I have to grade, yeah, alsoyou're a grown woman with a job
and multiple responsibilities.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, yeah, that's what I meant.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So we had to postpone it another week.
Hopefully this comes out thisWednesday.
I don't know what day that is,december, I don't know, 17th,
18th, something along thoselines.
Um, okay, wait, this is episode20.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
no, episode 30 30 we're still gonna say like 24 or
something Probably so.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Episode 30, I think we're starting a new season.
So, season one.
I mean season two episode, oneor episode 30.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Season 1.2.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Or episode 30, depending on how you want to do
things.
I was hoping I would start outthis season better, with like
music at the beginning and youknow, like an actually recorded
intro, but we need time and allthat kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Time and the energy to do it, yeah, when you're
exhausted from all these otherthings, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So hopefully we can get that done this winter break,
assuming I don't get called upfor jury duty this week.
Oh gosh the sad part is youwon't even be able to tell us if
it's like a good case I know myaunts were looking and they
were like hey, there's thismurder case starting next week
and I was like oh fuck yeah, Idon't want to be on one of those

(02:02):
.
I mean, I do and I don't, right.
You know I don't, because I'vestill got too much to do this
week.
I go up to rio rancho again.
No fun, okay, anyway.
So we're on episode 30, yep, orseason two, episode one.
However you want to look at it,it's my turn to do the case.
What the heck are we talkingabout today?

(02:24):
Well, you're gonna do your yeah, missing person first.
Besides that, I'm gonna talkabout the murder of sherry rass
rass mucin or ross mucin.
I've heard it pronounced bothways.
Oh shit, I'm making so muchnoise.
Um, so that's what I my caseokay, well, let me touch on, uh

(02:46):
I'm a missing person that I justfound like five minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
so we're gonna learn about her together, all right.
All right, so her name is daisyjoy rodriguez and she's missing
from antonio san an, texas, andshe was last seen on the
southwest side of the city inthe block of 800, block of Big

(03:15):
Creek Drive.
So she is four foot 11.
She has green eyes and it lookslike kind of like blonde, like
that in between blonde and brownkind of hair color, or maybe
like a, maybe it's like a honey,deep honey blonde kind of shade

(03:35):
.
Um, and she weighs 125 pounds.
So the San Antonio PoliceDepartment wants to remind us
all that harboring a runawaychild is a Class A misdemeanor
Punishable up to $4,000 or ayear in jail.
So we'll give you a little bitmore information.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Wait, what state is that Texas To harbor a runaway
child?
San Antonio, texas, interesting.
Where it's a texas to harbor arunaway child?
San antonio, texas, interesting.
So I don't know how I feelabout that.
Yeah, it's kind of yeah,because I mean in most cases I
would understand that.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
But what if the child's being abused yeah, yeah,
kids being abused, kicked outof their homes because they're
queer or other reasons right so,yeah, what happens in that case
?
Like, is somebody not supposedto like harbor them?
Because, yeah, I know that somelike I think we've all known
people like when we were teensand they had to go live with

(04:40):
somebody else because they justhad a bad situation.
Yeah, so, yeah, okay, anyway.
So hopefully that's not the case, we're not saying it's the case
there, but yeah, we're notsaying that it's and uh, or
maybe hopefully it is, becausethen she'll be safe somewhere.

(05:01):
Yeah, I don't know, that's aweird thing.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I'm not like hoping that right, yeah, just saying
she's safe rather I'm hopingshe's safe, that's all I'm
saying she's safe wherever sheis.
It happens, it happens all right.
So the murder of sherryrasmussen or rasmussen, so my
sources are 2020 the killer downthe hall people magazine

(05:26):
investigates once bitten and theatlantic uh article called the
lazarus file, and I'm not goingto do too much of a disclaimer,
but I do talk a little bit about, uh, the actual wounds of the
victim, but that's because it'simportant to the case.

(05:47):
Otherwise I try not to go intotoo much detail.
Okay, so Sherry Rasmussen wasthe middle child of three girls.
Her sister, connie, said shewas the family clown.
That's her word.
If anything got too serious,she would do something to make
everyone laugh.
Her other sister, teresa, saidthat Sherry was all about family

(06:08):
and was the glue that held thefamily together.
Her friends described her askind and generous.
She was smart, graduating fromhigh school at 15 and nursing
school at 19.
At 21, sherry moved from herhometown of Tucson, arizona, to
LA.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
By the time of her death she was the director of
critical care at the GlendaleAdventist Medical Center and at
the time of her death she waslike probably not much farther
into her 20s have like mixedfeelings when I hear about
people who like graduated fromsomething something super early,
because on the one hand, I'mlike wow, good for them, like

(06:49):
they're really smart and theyreally like achieve that, but on
the other hand, like I feel sadbecause I'm like this person
like never got a chance to likerelax and have fun.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
it sounds like yeah although I don't think her
parents probably forced her.
No, no, it sounds like it.
Like she sounds like the kindof person that has to be doing
something.
She doesn't sound like somebodywho relaxes.
In the summer of 1984, sherrymet John Rutten.

(07:22):
He was tall, handsome, athleticand smart.
He graduated from UCLA where hestudied engineering or
computers.
It depends on the source.
Yeah, maybe it was.
Computer engineering Could havebeen.
They moved in together inSherry's condo in Van Nuys.
Is it Van Nuys?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, van Nuys, yeah, van Nuys, yeah, okay, yeah, is
it Van Nuys yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Van Nuys, yeah Okay, and were married in November of
1985, but all reports, but allreports, by all reports.
They were very happy and inlove.
Then, on February 24th 1986,everything ended.

(08:04):
That day was a normal day forSherry and John.
They were early risers andnormally Sherry would leave
first because she had alengthier commute than John.
But on this day Sherry didsomething out of character.
According to People MagazineInvestigate, sherry was supposed
to oversee HR courses fornurses and she apparently didn't
see much value to them, so shedecided not to go into work and

(08:25):
called in sick at 7 am.
John left shortly, at 7.20.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Interesting, although I can see why you would be like
I don't see much value in this.
It seems odd to shirk such abig responsibility, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
John called her multiple times a day but wasn't
able to get a hold of her, so heassumed that she must have
decided to go into work afterall.
That sounds like something Iwould do where I'd be, like I
don't want to do this shit, butthen I feel guilty and go in
anyway.
You're like I don't want to dothis shit, but then I feel

(09:07):
guilty and go in anyway.
He calls her work later in theday and spoke to the secretary
who says she hadn't heard fromher all day.
He does think it's odd, butapparently not odd enough, to go
directly home, because when heleaves at work at 5 pm he runs
some errands.
He went to the bank, he went toget his shoes shoes I don't
know what that means.
Like I don't know if he went tobuy shoes or if he sent them to

(09:29):
like a cobbler or whatever acobbler.
Well, you know what I mean.
Whatever the yeah 80s version Ithey still probably did that
back in the 80s.
Yeah, the shoe shine shop yeah,those dudes, and, and I lost my
spot.
And then he also went to thedry cleaners.
He drove into the garage oftheir condo and notices that

(09:52):
Sherry's car is gone.
He also notices that there aresome shards of glass and he
walks up the steps to go intothe condo and he notices a
bloody handprint on the wall.
Yeah, now, now I just want tosay some of this is from one
source and some of this is fromanother source neither of the
two agree exactly.

(10:12):
I hear that I've had a lot ofthat lately too.
Yeah, also 2020.
Uh, if people magazineinvestigates is right.
Oh wait, no, I'm sorry, um,hold on.
Okay, so he sees the bloodyhandprint on the wall.
Now he either the door wasclosed and he opened it, or he
was it was already open, right,and that also depends on the

(10:35):
source.
So I wrote also 2020.
If people magazine investigatesis right.
You left out.
You left some stuff out, likethe bloody handprint and the
glass shards, which are kind ofimportant.
Yeah, and the fact that sherrycalled in sick and john called
multiple times they didn'tmention any of that either um,
so is one episode maybe leaningtowards implicating one person.

(10:58):
One episode was leaning inanother way or no.
They both agree.
Oh, that's weird then.
Yes, uh, so I put maybe not allthat important in the end, but
still you should give all thefacts.
Those are kind of yeah, I mean,again they turn out not to be
that important to the case, butstill that's a scene.
Anyway, john goes inside and henotices stacked stereo

(11:20):
equipment on the floor, and thenhe looks over and sees Sherry
on the floor.
So the way I didn't put it onhere, oh yeah, I, I do see, I
don't know what I did and didn'tdo, because I changed some
things from the first and secondtime.
Okay, so I'm going to take asecond to get the layout of the
apartment or condo or townhouseor whatever you want to call it.
They called it all three.
So when you walk in the door,there's like five steps going up

(11:43):
a few feet in front of you.
So like when you walk in thedoor, there's like five steps
going up a few feet in front ofyou, so like when you walk in,
that's what you see.
And up on top of those steps islike the dining room, kitchen
area, and then like there's aroom off to the side which I
assume is the bathroom or thebedroom or both.
I mean not both.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, they're over on that sidesomewhere, whatever en suite,

(12:05):
right, and when you go in thedoor, if you like, ahead, but to
your left is a small livingroom, yeah, so that's what you
see.
So he walks in and the stereoequipment is right in front of
the stairs.
When he walks in and so he seesthe stereo equipment on the

(12:28):
floor in front of the stairs,and then to his left is the
living room and he sees Sherry'sbody, he goes over to Sherry
and he checks for a pulse.
When he can't find one, hecalls 911.
Emts get there, but it's toolate and Sherry's pronounced
dead at 6.12 pm.
Okay, lapd patrol officerRodney Forrest was one of the

(12:52):
first cops to arrive at thescene and he told 2020 that he
thought it was odd to get a callabout a murder in a
neighborhood like Van Nuys.
He describes it as upscale.
What I said eye roll, yeah,yeah.
Well, I don't know, I maybe notanymore, but in the well, I
know we've talked about itbefore like there's always crime
there, but I for the 1980swhere most of the crime was.

(13:15):
I would say that was probablynot common, so he described it
as upscale.
People magazine investigates,though describes it as middle
class.
Whatever I mean, I guessupscale is middle class.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Split the difference and say upper middle class.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, it's a place where murder is in common.
Anyway, he and his partner aretold by paramedics that they
wouldn't be prepared for whatthey see inside, implying it's
pretty bad.
When he walks in Forrest, getsSherry or, I'm sorry, sees
Sherry on the ground with atowel over her face, what I

(13:51):
would like to know, becausenobody ever mentions it, is who
they think put the towel on herface Like was it husband?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Was it Right, like did he put the towel to like so
he wouldn't have to look at her.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Right, or was it the killer?
Yeah, great question the towelto like so he wouldn't have to
look at her right?
Or was it the killer?
Yeah, or great question, butnobody ever says anything.
Apparently I'm the only onethat has that question.
Uh, one of the emts raises thetowel so that uh forest can see
her face.
There was considerable traumaand a lot of blood.
Later they find that there werebruises all over her body,

(14:25):
ligature marks on her wrists.
Her fingernails were broken,which I know is painful.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I've experienced two of those this week, and it is
the single most painful thing Ihave ever experienced in my life
.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So she had been hit from behind with a vase or a
statue, depending again on thesource.
She had been shot three timesand finally and most importantly
, there was a bite mark on herforearm You're going to want to
remember that Like a human bitemark.
Huh, a human bite mark?
Yes, one detective described itas one of the bloodiest, most

(15:03):
violent crime scenes he had everseen.
The apartment itself looked tobe in disarray, so there was
tech equipment that looked likeit was getting ready to be taken
.
Bookshelves had been knockedoff, the window of the sliding
door was shattered.
There appeared to have been astruggle at the door, where

(15:24):
there were broke, where thebroken fingernails were.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, um, so basically it looked like she had
been clawing to get out.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, but there was no forced entry.
Also important, there was bloodon the wall.
There are bloody pieces of thevase or statue I just mentioned.
There's also a blanket near herbody which is gunshot residue
and holes from the bullets, soit had clearly been used as a
type of silencer yeah, so shewent through it all like she got

(15:56):
hit with shit, she got bit, shegot shot.
yeah, I think the only thing shedidn't get was stabbed, stabbed
.
Yeah, police and otherswondered if Sherry's murder was
part of the rampant violenceplaguing LA at the time.
So the 80s was a decade ofgangs, drugs and serial killers.

(16:16):
In case you aren't up on theserial killers, that was like
the Rodriguez and all thosedudes.
So in 1986, there were 831murders in LA.
By 1990, there were 1,000 ayear.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
That sounds like a lot, but what's the amount?
Now I'm getting there.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, so 2023, which is the highest it's been in
quite a long time.
There were 327 murders.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
So a lot more.
Yeah, things were so bad thatresidents bought guns.
They learned martial arts.
Burglar alarms were sold out.
Animal shelters were more orless empty of dogs because they
were being adopted as watchdogs.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Why was that, do you know?
Was there a special heat wave?
Was there a lot of poverty atthat year?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
It was the cocaine decade.
It was the decade of the Bloodsand the Crips and the cocaine
violence, yeah, yeah.
So the rest of this bit thatI'm going to say doesn't really
have anything to do with thecase, but I found it interesting
.
Okay, so, according to theatlantic, by the end of 1936 538

(17:31):
of those 831 murders had beensolved, which is a 65 clearance
rate.
463 of those solved murderswere cleared by arrest, meaning
somebody had been arrested forit, right, right, and 75 were
labeled cleared other, whichmeans there's sufficient
information to support thearrest of a suspect but for

(17:54):
reasons outside police control,no arrest can be made.
So, for example, that would beif the suspect was dead.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, these clearance rates stand in perpetuity and
cannot be changed through laterarrests.
So credit for the clearance istaken in the year of the arrest,
not the year of the murder whatif they have, like, a strong
suspect but they don't haveenough evidence to convict them?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
like is that?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
then it's still.
It's an unsolved murder.
Clearance credit for theclearance is taken in the year
of the arrest, not the year ofthe murder.
So a division can raise itscurrent year clearance rate by
solving old cases as well as newones.
So, for example, a division canrecord seven new murders but
they were able to solve a totalof 15.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Right, because they solved some of those old ones
Right giving the unit clearancerate of 214%.
Yeah.
Do you think it's easier tosolve those old crimes or harder
?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I would say probably harder Because the evidence is
all old and shit like that.
Evidence is old People die,people forget, some shit goes
missing, shit goes missing, shitgoes missing.
Okay, so I'm done nerding outon that.
Uh, back to the night ofsherry's murder.
The scene lent itself to theidea that the murder was the
result of a burglary gone wrong.
So again, everything's indisarray, their stereo equipment

(19:18):
stack like it's ready to becarried out, etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Also, um, I may have forgottento mention that sherry's purse,
her car, a bmw, which had been agift from her husband, yeah,
and a marriage license had beentaken.
Now, according to peoplemagazine investigates, the purse

(19:42):
was found pretty quickly as ithad been turned in by the
gardener, I think is who theysaid after he found it.
And the BMW was also found afew weeks later.
It was located in a not verygood neighborhood, a few miles
away, with the keys still in it,in the same condition.
It was when it had been takenand everything of value was

(20:04):
still in or part of the car.
So, for example, the stereo wasstill there.
Right, they looked forfingerprints and stuff like that
but didn't find anything.
However, there are those, likeformer patrol officer forest,
who didn't think that the scenejived with a burglary theory,
because that's the theory theywere going yeah is that because

(20:25):
the stereo stuff that was outhold on, we'll get there so he
says, while the inside of theapartment might look like a
burglary had happened, he didn'tthink that burglars would pick
a place so far from the street,right because they want to get
away without being seen by otherresidents, so they want

(20:46):
something close to the street.
He also felt something was upwith John Sherry's husband in
case you forgot who he wasbecause his crying didn't seem
to be enough.
Now, I don't agree with thingslike that, but I mean, I guess
what's what's not enough, right,but the husband's always going

(21:09):
to be the suspect so that wasprobably someone she knew
because she let them in okay, sothere's no reason, so no motive
for john to kill sherry,because there are no problems in
the marriage and there was noinsurance payout right.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Um, also his alibi checked out yep so there was
another reason that policebelieved the burglary was their
shoe alibi what you picked upshoes or something yeah, the
shoes, the bank work yeah um,all of that stuff.
I forgot those other things.
I only remembered the shoes.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay.
So there is another reason thatthe police really tamped down
on that burglary theory.
So six weeks after Sherry waskilled there was another
incident three blocks away.
That attempted burglary wasvery similar to what detectives
theorized happened to Sherry.

(22:05):
Yeah, so the woman was LisaRivoli.
She at first.
So the first thing that happensis she's asleep at home.
She hears a knock at the door.
She goes to look and it's a manshe doesn't recognize.
So she decides to ignore it andshe goes back to bed.
She wakes up, she goes abouther day, she goes out to lunch

(22:26):
and returns an hour later and asshe turned the key to open the
door, she noticed that it hadbeen forced open.
As she pushed the door open,she saw a man standing in the
hallway attempting to steal herstereo equipment.
It was stacked exactly the wayit had been at Sherry's.
He ran out, but there wasanother man that came down the

(22:48):
stairs and pulled a gun on her.
She turned and ran before hecould shoot.
So the crimes are close to eachother, only three blocks away.
Yeah, they happen in the middleof the day and both involve a
revolver.
That's the gun that the guy washolding.
On top of that the stereoequipment again was placed in
the same location in both homes.

(23:09):
So sherry's family, though,believed that it was not a
burglary, burglary gone wrong.
I always feel like I sayburglary wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I just feel like I'm saying burglar, like, like the
hamburglar it would be a lotmore fun if it was a hamburglar
it would be there probablywouldn't be any murder involved
no you just steal your burgersyeah

Speaker 2 (23:33):
okay.
So they told police about aseries of events that happened
in the weeks leading up tosherry's murder.
First there was a nurse whodidn't get promoted and was
upset with Sherry and she gotinto an argument with her.
And then there was John'sex-girlfriend.
The ex had gone to Sherry'swork to confront her.

(23:54):
Now it depends on the source,but either she told Sherry when
this marriage fails, I'll bewaiting to pick up the pieces,
or it was something along thelines like if you can't have
them, no one will, kind of thingOkay.
They also tell the police thatthe ex had turned up at Sherry
and John's house unannouncedthree times.
Now People MagazineInvestigates also reported an

(24:19):
incident that was notnecessarily alarming in nature,
though I don't think any womanin a romantic relationship would
be comfortable with it.
So what happened?
Is that Stephanie oh, Ishouldn't have said her name,
sorry the ex.
His name is Stephanie.
That's supposed to be asurprise later on.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Surprise, her name is Stephanie yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Had shown up at the house unannounced with skis,
that she wanted john to wax forher.
Yeah, sherry thinks it's justan excuse to get in touch with
john, but he assures her thatthere's nothing going on between
them.
She told him she wanted him tostay away from her and when she
comes, when stephanie comes backfor the skis, sherry tells her

(25:02):
she's not welcome there anymore.
The ex um stephanie doesn'tback down, though she turns up a
few weeks later, yikes, in fulllapd uniform, including a gun.
Now I should also say um peopledoesn't.
They don't mention it, but 2020says that one of the times she

(25:24):
showed up at the home, shesherry, had been getting ready
and she heard a noise and shewent to look and stephanie had
been standing in her living roomI see, I think the pieces are
coming together here, yeah, so2020 reports that about a month
before the murder.
Oh, here it.
Here it is.
I forgot.

(25:44):
I wrote it down.
So she's getting ready for work.
She heard something downstairs.
She found Stephanie standing inthe living room.
Sherry had told her to get outand not come back.
Sherry had apparently also toldher family that she was being
followed.
So John had never mentioned theex in his initial interview
because he never considered hera girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, so at best.
So she's been like a creepystalker, but he didn't even
consider her to be like anactual girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
she was a friend with benefits, oh so he didn't think
I that she cared enough to doanything, but dude was clearly
oblivious.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, I mean her behavior.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, okay, but nothing came of those
suggestions.
In fact, the original detectivesaid that he had never been
told of those incidences andthey also had never been
recorded in the murder book.
The murder book is the singlemost important thing in a
homicide investigation becauseit's the place where they record
all the investigative work andany step that is made or

(26:57):
recorded, like any phone call,anything it's all recorded.
So in 2001, the lapd started acold case unit.
So it had gone cold, like itwas looked at briefly in the 90s
, and then it was kind of likeforgotten about.
Right, the lapd started a coldcase unit consisting of seven

(27:19):
detectives.
There are, according to 2020,or were at this point in time in
2001, 9,000 cases spanning, andI quote, more than two decades.
Okay, this irritates me Becauseit's not technically wrong,
yeah Right, but that makes itsound like all those cases

(27:39):
happened in like just over a20-year span.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
But the truth is that the cold cases date all the way
back to 1899.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's more like a century, not just more than two
decades.
Right, right, like dude.
Okay, anyway, I'll get over myyeah, that is annoying.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
So it is Technically.
You could say it's over twodecades.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, but it's over two decades yeah, it's kind of
ridiculous.
More like a century.
Yeah, yeah, there were not 9000murders in 20 years.
Yeah, I mean.
Well, I guess, maybe if theyhad kept up all those murders in
the 80s and 90s but not coldcases, yeah, plus all the fresh
ones, whatever, anyway, okay.
So Detective Lamkin, who Ithink is the head of the new

(28:28):
cold case unit, believed thatdue to the natural decay of
evidence, there probably wasn'tmuch that could be done for
crimes committed before the1960s, so they kept the cases
they would work on to thosecommitted between 1960 and 1998.
Now, I forgot to mention Ithought I had written it but I
didn't they took a swab of thebite mark on Sherry's arm.

(28:54):
Yeah, okay.
Now 1986 is just before.
Dna was really a thing, right,but do they have, like, the
dental imprint?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
from the bite.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I have no idea, but that's not really important to
the case.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Because I thought that was going to be irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
No they could still do like typing, like blood
typing, type things right.
So that's what they hadcollected it for.
Now, dna wasn't quite a thing,but it was about to become a
thing in England and it wastraveling a few years later to
the united states.
And then it becomes a thing inthe oj simpson trial, yeah, and

(29:31):
then it just kind of takes off.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
So man this whole time I thought they were gonna
like find the suspect based onlike these bite marks between
1960 and 1998.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
that leaves 7 745 cold cases.
Of the 9,000-ish, the unit waslooking at any sexual assault
crimes and any case with DNAevidence.
By late 2002, after screeningall of those cases, they judged
that 1,400 had good forensicpotential.

(30:04):
One of those cases was SherryRasmussen's case.
So then Detective Shepard, whoworked for this unit, he looks
through the murder book and hesees an entry for the swab from
the bite mark.
However, the swab was notbooked into police custody.
So they do all this searchingright and eventually they find

(30:29):
that it's at the coroner'soffice and they find it and they
type it and a DNA profile isfound.
Now, remember, they believedthey were looking for two men
because they believed theburglary of Lisa Ravalli was

(30:52):
linked.
But they're in for a surprisebecause they discovered that the
DNA contributor was a female.
So they still thought themurder could be a robbery gone
wrong, but that it was conductedby a male and a female.
So one such duo was identified,but the male was in custody at
the time of Sherry's death andthe female she was free at the

(31:14):
time and she had been arrestedfor things that she did with
another guy.
They take her DNA, but the dnadoesn't match right.
So detectives decide to revisitthe possible connection with the
risa rivoli burglary and noticesome critical differences.
In the rivoli case, jewelry hadbeen stolen and there had been

(31:37):
a disturbance upstairs in herapartment, so the bedroom had
been like ransacked.
The perpetrators escaped intheir own car and the door had
been forced open Right.
In Sherry's case, they left thescene in Sherry's car and there
was no indication that the doorhad been forced open.
The detectives decided thatSherry's burglary wasn't

(32:00):
actually a burglary but that thescene had been made to look
like one Right, not just becauseof the differences mentioned
above, but because of howemotional the scene was and the
items that had been taken,specifically the marriage
license and the car which againhad been a gift from John.
So it's personal items, yeah,not necessarily.

(32:23):
Well, at least in the marriagecase, not worth anything.
Also, sherry was severelybeaten and shot three times in
the chest, one of them at pointblank range like somebody has a
grudge against exactly it makesthe police believe that the
murder was personal.
So the police now believed thatthe killer had come into the

(32:45):
house and fired two shots atSherry, which missed and broke
the sliding door window.
Sherry tried to escape, runningdown the stairs, but the
intruder followed her.
There's a struggle and Sherrymanaged to get her assailant
into a headlock and that's whenthe intruder probably bit her at
that point.
Okay, now I should point outSherry was also very athletic

(33:10):
and quite strong.
She's also quite tall.
So they decided to get samplesfrom the women in Sherry's orbit
and try to eliminate them oneby one.
So 2020 kept saying there werefive women, but if you do the
math, there are six.
So I don't know if they justcan't add or what.
Yeah, because the first threeare her mother and both her

(33:34):
sisters.
Right, right, Okay, and sothey're, of course, eliminated.
There's her best friend, who'salso eliminated.
That's four.
They test the nurse that Imentioned earlier, and she's
also eliminated.
Yeah, that's five.
So the other.
There's one more person?

(33:55):
Yeah, and it's that person thatgrabs their attention, but they
keep referring to this personas number five.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
So maybe they only did the sisters, but they said
mother and sisters, so I don'treally understand what was
happening.
Okay, so anyway, the point iswe're going to go with number
five, who is not technically thenurse.
According to them, it's theother person yeah okay.
So john had told police about awoman he had already told them

(34:27):
about years earlier.
Her name was stephanie lazarus.
They met at ucla where theywere both staying in the same
dorm.
John and Stephanie were friendsand then it developed into a
sexual relationship.
John stresses to police thatthey were never exclusive, that

(34:48):
it was more of a friends withbenefits type of relationship.
Oh, john, at least in his viewit was In his view.
Yeah, I mean he probably didtell her.
But right, I mean yeah open youreyes, dude, but like it
shouldn't, you should be able totell that she feels differently
you would think, but I've cometo find that a lot of times men

(35:11):
are completely oblivious,especially when it comes to
thinking with their dicks.
I mean, half the time theycan't even find the thing in the
fridge that's right in front oftheir fucking face.
I don't know why.
I'm getting really upset aboutthat, but it really irritates me
.
That irritates me more thananything when they're like where
is it?
yeah, it's like you're literallystaring at it, right, okay,

(35:35):
anyway, sorry, I didn't get meanto get so mad about that.
I didn't realize that that wasthe a real big pet peeve of mine
.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, that is an emotional labor thing that women
often like take on, that manymen don't even realize that like
it's considered to be a woman'sjob to like keep track of all
the things yeah, and like somemen, can't be bothered to figure
it out, yeah or remember whereany of the things are right or

(36:08):
actually look yeah or that likeoh, my god, my kid I mean
they're children, but they'll belike I can't find it and I'm
like look for it.
And then they just like standthere and like look around them
and they're like I don't knowwhere it is.
Yeah, like move things.

(36:28):
Yeah, and so I'll get up and belike like this and I'll like
show them and then find thething within minutes.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, yeah, kids and men.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know.
Hopefully, when my kids aregrown they'll be able to find
things.
You would hope so.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, I'm sure I was that way too when I was
little Right.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
But I grew up, okay anyway.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
So Stephanie, whether he knew it or not, wanted a
future with him.
After they graduated they gottogether for sex a couple times
a month, but John continued tosee other people.
He says he made it clear to herthat their relationship was
nothing more than that and thatthey definitely weren't getting
married.
If you had to say that to her,then you know she had feelings.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's true, dude.
Okay.
So shortly after, john tellsher that, I mean I'm also kind
of pissed at john that he kindof kept this thing going right,
like if he knew that she wantedmore and that he didn't like he
should have just moved on toother people yeah, if he, if he

(37:39):
had to make any of thosestatements, then he should know
that it's not the same for heryeah, and he should have got his
dick wet elsewhere.
It's true, okay anyway, noholds barred tonight.
No, sorry, I've been reading areally smutty book lately, um,

(38:02):
in my free time that I don'treally have, okay, anyway.
Uh, shortly after, john tellsher that she finds out that he
proposed to sherry.
Yeah, she called him that nightand asked him to come over so
they could talk.
Can you guess what happened?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
She lost her shit.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, they had sex.
Oh my God.
He is engaged, wow, and hefucks with his ex-girlfriend,
who is not his ex-girlfriend,apparently.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Well, I was thinking, I was thinking of him in
slightly more generous terms,but yeah now, yeah, I mean, no
fucking wonder she thought thatlike.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah yeah, the police told John that they needed to
contact her.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You know what pisses me off, though, Like why didn't
she kill him instead of her?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Let's talk about that at the end, because I think I
have thoughts.
I asked myself that as well.
The police told John that theyneeded to contact her.
I'm sorry if you can hear thepapers moving in the back, I'm
not very good about that.
Okay, he told them that he hadcalled the police decades

(39:28):
earlier to tell them about herand that at the same time, he
told them that she was a policeofficer.
Yeah, he told them that she wasa police officer.
In fact, stephanie was, at thispoint in time in the 2000s, a
detective with the LAPD RightNow.
Not only was she a detective,but she had had a stellar career

(39:51):
.
Yeah, she had joined the LAPDalmost immediately after college
.
She was described ascompetitive and very athletic.
I think she was actually aDivision I athlete, which
apparently is a good thing or agreat thing.
So this allowed her to competein the California Police
Olympics, which, again,apparently that's awesome.

(40:11):
I don't know, I'm not anathlete.
I can't even catch a ball, so Idon't know, I can't run five
feet without getting out ofbreath either.
So anyway, she's kind of theface of the LAPD, because she
was so popular.
She was very I keep wanting tosay evasive, but that's not the
word I mean, exuberant is theword I'm trying to go for, is

(40:33):
the word I'm trying to go forand just kind of friendly and
happy to be there, I guess youcould say.
And she was very popular.
So she was even on an episodeof Family Feud with a few other
officers against the firemen andthe police.
One.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Now I want to watch the episode of Family Feud.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
She had outstanding accommodations from her
superiors and she had gone frompatrol to homicide to burglary,
auto theft division, which isnot an easy thing to do, like
you need people to recommend youfor that, not to mention I
think you have to like passtests and stuff.
So she had never had a singledisciplinary hearing in the

(41:20):
nearly 30 years she worked withthe LAPD, which is also nearly
unheard of At the point whereshe was being investigated for
this crime.
Stephanie was in the mostcoveted position in the LAPD.
She was in the art theft detail, which was an elite detail
within the major crimes division.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I have a thought slash question.
I'm probably jumping the gunagain, but like I'm wondering
like did he, maybe John,undersell her as a suspect?
Did the cops?
Were the cops like no, itwasn't her.
Or do you think it was acombination of both of those

(42:04):
factors?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I think he was genuinely blind and didn't
realize what was going on.
Yeah, like he didn't see thatStephanie cared more than he did
, right?
I think he genuinely justdidn't see it.
As for her personal life,stephanie had married a fellow
police officer in 1996, and theyhad adopted a baby soon after,

(42:27):
and apparently she was a verygood mom and loved her baby very
much.
Knowing that Stephanie was notonly one of their own, but that
she literally worked just downthe hall from them, detectives
had to take precautions beforethey proceeded to investigate
her, right?
So they can't tell many peopleabout the investigation because

(42:48):
they don't know who's friendswith her and who's going to tell
her right?
Right, and they don't use hername during their investigation.
Instead, they used number fivein reference to her because she
was the fifth DNA sample.
Yeah, after doing some digging,the idea that Stephanie could
be the killer became more andmore evident.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, probably they had five DNA samples because
they would only need DNA fromone sister, right?
They wouldn't need DNA from onesister, right?
They wouldn't need DNA fromboth sisters.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I don't know.
That's what I was thinking too,but they said that they tested
the mother and the sisters, so Idon't know.
Yeah, oh well, after doing somedigging, the idea that
Stephanie could be the killerbecame more and more evident.
For example, in the 1980s, allpolice officers carried a .38

(43:43):
revolver as their backup, whichwas the same caliber used in the
murder, and the bulletrecovered from Sherry's body was
the same type that was used bythe police.
Was the same type that was usedby the police.
The police looked at theCalifornia gun registry and they
found that Stephanie hadreported her gun missing 13 days

(44:05):
after the murder.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Suspicious.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Right.
They can't say for sure that itwas her gun that was used, but
it's a big red flag Right.
Police then decide to contactSherry's family again and ask
them about the days and weeksleading up to the murder.
They tell them about theincidents I mentioned earlier
showing up at work, showing upat their house, Yep.

(44:29):
While doing this, police alsohave to collect Stephanie's DNA.
They don't want to alert her, sothey don't want to just go up
and be like, right, yeah, takethe swab.
So in may 2009, uh, some folksthat are investigating her
followed her to a fast foodplace.
2020 said, costco yeah where shegot a drink and they got her

(44:53):
drink cup out of trash when shediscarded it they took the cup
and the straw for testing andher DNA matched the swab from
the bite mark.
So she's now the primarysuspect.
So the detectives have toquestion Stephanie and they
devise a covert operation calledthe Art Thief.
So basically the plan is to goto her and tell her that they

(45:14):
have a suspect in jail that sayshe has some information on an
art theft or art heist orsomething.
And she said that and they saidmaybe you should talk to him,
come with us and talk to him.
And so she agrees to go withthem and they go down into the
jail.

(45:34):
Yeah, because they want her tohave to check her weapon yeah
okay soyeah, so they do that.
These are some sneaky ass cops.
They are some sneaky ass cops.
And, um, they get there, theygo into the room, but of course
there's no suspect.
It's just another detectivewaiting to question her about

(45:56):
the murder.
So while she's beinginterrogated, her house is being
searched.
They find photos of John and a600-page diary Wow In which she
mentioned her distress overJohn's engagement and marriage.
So there were only a fewtidbits in there, though, and
that's one of the things thedefense attorney mentions is

(46:18):
that he's john's really onlymentioned like five or six times
, right, uh, but some of thethings she wrote were things
like quote I really didn't feellike working too stressed about
john.
End quote.
And quote I did visit johnrootin but his girlfriend was
over.
End quote, quote.
End quote.
I find out that John is gettingmarried.

(46:38):
I was very depressed.
This is very bad.
My concentration was negative.
10, end quote.
And this is the most creepy oneQuote I saw John Rutten's car.
I put a note on it and watchedthe car for half an hour.
End quote.
So during the interrogation,she obviously does everything
she can to talk herself out ofbeing connected to the murder,

(47:02):
but she lawyers up once theybring up the DNA and they arrest
her Right In 2012,.
Stephanie is on trial for themurder.
The main piece of evidence, ofcourse, was the DNA.
They had four differentanalyses done, so they got the
match from costco, the costcocup.
Yeah, they did an lap lapdmatch, a codis match and an seri

(47:28):
match I don't know what thatone is, so it's matched four
times okay, four different ways.
So pretty thorough.
It's very thorough, yeah.
So the defense tried to castdoubt, not on the DNA match,
because that would go nowhereRight, but on the chain of
custody, on the bite mark swabsuggesting the evidence was

(47:50):
tainted, contaminated and thatStephanie may have been framed.
Oh, those sneaky.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Because it was in a beat up envelope.
Everybody's sneaky in this case.
Yeah, may have been framedbecause it was in a beat up
envelope, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
However, the collection of evidence was done
over so long a period of timethat framing her would have been
highly improbable if notimpossible, like they would have
had to think about framing herlike way back in 1986.
So he also argued that thediary entries which the
prosecution used to showobsession did not amount to that

(48:20):
, as John was only mentionedagain like five or six times.
Yeah, the trial lasted nearlythree weeks, but the jury took
either two hours or less thantwo days yeah, depending on the
source, so 2020.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I guess when you're a cop you're at least smart
enough to not put dear diary.
Today I murdered my boyfriend,my ex-boyfriend's girlfriend,
right cold blood so um.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
So matt gutman says that the jury took less than two
days.
Uh, people magazine said theytook less than two hours to
deliberate and they found herguilty of murder.
She was sentenced to 27 yearsto life in prison.
So it's 25 years to life, butbecause there was a gun use
there was a two-year enhancement.
After the trial the Rasmussensfiled a complaint with the LAPD

(49:12):
alleging a cover-up and filed acivil lawsuit against the LAPD
making the same allegations.
The lawsuit was eventuallydismissed due to the statute of
limitations.
The LAPD did launch an internalaffairs investigation.
A journalist I think he was ajournalist managed to get a hold

(49:32):
of that investigation notes.
It was never made public and hesaid a total of 6.8 hours was
devoted to investigating thematter.
It was closed after a year withno one being interviewed and no
investigative conclusions.
It was classified as unfoundedbecause the judge from the civil
lawsuit dismissed the LAPD fromany liability.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, now I don't know if you know they probably
don't know this either, sincethey didn't investigate her for
so long but I wonder did Cherylis her name Cheryl or Sherry,
sherry, sherry I wonder if shedid she hurt her Like you said,
like she was also strong andathletic, like did she?

(50:15):
I wonder if she had any likeinjuries on her body from the
struggle?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I'm sure there were probably some bruises at least
yeah that if they hadinvestigated sooner would have
been incriminating.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Maybe, but they didn't even know to look at her
because John didn't even tellthem until months after and the
family said there was an ex butthey didn't know the name Right.
So now, one of months after,and the and the family said
there was an ex but they didn'tknow the name right.
So so now one of the folks onpeople magazine investigates
make a good point.
They said while it took waylonger than it probably should
have to solve the murder, if thecase had been investigated

(50:49):
properly in 1986 and stephaniewas a suspect, she probably
would have gotten away with itbecause there was no hard
evidence leaking her to themurder.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
It's only because the dna evidence right, it's only
because the technology wasfinally developed that they were
able to charge her although ifthey had caught her real quick
then they might have been ableto link the gun, because he said
she reported her gun missinglike 13 days.
Maybe she still had it on herfor a little bit maybe, but I
mean they didn't even.

(51:22):
I mean, like I said, they didn'tknow, they didn't even know to
look for her yeah you know,although maybe she didn't have
it on her, maybe she got rid ofit right away, but was just like
I'm not gonna report it for alittle bit so exactly linked to
the crime but, but again, theonly way they would have known
to look for her is if john hadtold them, like that night,
which he should have they didask what does john have to say

(51:45):
for himself about, about that?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
well, he's said that he didn't think that her or any
of the other women that he waswith cared enough to do
something like that to Sherryyeah.
You know, which, again, I meanI think he's judging from his

(52:10):
impact statement, whatever Ithink he's beating himself up
about it now?

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Oh, I'm sure he is.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But I mean, he's just oblivious.
Yeah, he's just a dude who'soblivious.
So there's more Not out there,don't be oblivious.
Went up before the parole boardyears before she should have,

(52:37):
due to a new law which gavespecial consideration to
youthful offenders who committedtheir crimes when they were
under the age of 26.
Stephanie was 25 when she wassherry stephanie five is grown.
It is, and her frontal lobeswould have been developed.

(52:57):
Now I can understand like, like, 20.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Like if they're like a kid yeah.
Yeah, or even.
Yeah, it's true, even like 20or something.
But come on, 25?
Yeah, no, you are an adult.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yes, even male frontal lobes are developed by
that age.
Okay, so stephanie was 25 whenshe killed sherry.
She did take responsibility forthe murder for the first time
during the parole hearing.
However, she had denied it allthrough trial and through her

(53:34):
appeals.
Which fair?
I mean, that's what you'resupposed to do, right?
I mean, if you're, if, if youwant to try and get off and you
want to do the appeals, then youjust keep denying that you did
it, even if you did it right,because maybe there will be
something.
But I mean, if you were a goodperson, then you would admit to

(53:54):
it anyway.
According to sherry's niece,when she was at when stephanie
was admitting to her to themurder, she basically said that
if sherry hadn't fought her,then she wouldn't have killed
her.
That's not takingresponsibility and that's not
remorse didn't she shoot at herinitially?

(54:16):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, Iknow, I know what a crock of
shit.
It is a crock of shit, crock ofsit.
I'm not the one who's tired.
So Stephanie was granted parole, but Governor Newsom intervened
and requested that it go beforethe full parole board for

(54:37):
reconsideration.
The full parole board put thefirst finding on hold pending
another review In October of2024, so two months ago, parole
officials met for the third time.
Okay, so they had the firstparole.
Yeah, went to the full parole.
They said hold it, we're goingto have another one In October

(54:59):
of this year.
They did.
Once everyone had their say,the board adjourned to
deliberate.
They deliberated for 15 minutesand they announced that
Stephanie would not be releasedfrom prison and the decision was
unanimous Good.
However, ugh from prison andthe decision was unanimous, good
.
However, she will probablyappeal the decision and ask for

(55:23):
another parole hearing everyyear, because that is the right
yeah of a prisoner.
Okay, so that was the case.
That's it.
That's all I got.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
That's an interesting case.
It is an interesting case yousaid we were going to talk about
why she, why she decided to goafter sherry and not oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So I don't know like, obviously, sherry didn't say
what I mean, stephanie didn'tsay why herself, but I mean
there are any number of reasons,like one, because it happens
all the time.
Right, the person goes afterthe significant other rather
than the person who actuallyjilted them.

(56:12):
And I feel like Ladies don't dothat, men do that too, but more
ladies.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Especially, especially, ladies do, and
they're like the other woman.
Yeah, that homewrecker Like no,it's the man.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, exactly, it's the man.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Although they didn't really have a home to wreck
because, but whatever, he brokeher heart.
Yeah, whether he meant to ornot.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Right.
It's not sherry's fault.
No, and I think some of itcould be jealousy like she
wanted what sherry had right.
So getting sherry out of theway meant that she could have it
right, because she's not mad atjohn wasn't she like married
and had a kid at that point?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
or?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
no later, okay.
A decade later, okay.
So clearly she wasn't mad atjohn, right, she's mad at sherry
.
Sherry is the usurper, sherryis the right one that stole him
away, and so if she can get ridof her, then stephanie can come
in stephanie, but he was neveryours, I know I know.

(57:22):
But I think sometimes you knowwhen you're, when you think
you're in love with somebody.
You're blind to a lot of thosethings also like it's not worth
it.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
It's not worth it, no she's young though.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Look I, I was thinking about it, and love at
25, yeah, is different than loveat 35, which is different than
love at 40 now, that's right,we're all more cynical we're all
a lot more cynical and we'vegrown up a little bit.
You know, at 25 I think you're,I think even though you're an

(57:57):
adult, you still have theemotions.
Maybe are a little dimmed sincehigh school, but you still got
the high emotions and youhaven't lived enough to figure
out that men are dumb.
I shouldn't say that I'm goingto alienate our male listeners
if we have any.
We've already done that.
That's probably true.
I mean, women are too.
She should have taken him athis word.

(58:21):
I think part of it is justsocialization.
Women are.
When I was growing up, and it'sno fault of my family or
anybody else, but the messagewas that you can fix them, that
if you just say the right thingor you do the right thing, the
man's going to change, and it'snot until we get older and even

(58:44):
sometimes when we get older.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's such a terrible message too, because so
many women put up with a lot ofbullshit.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
That's what I'm saying, what I'm saying we it.
I think it's only in recentyears, with all the therapy
everybody's been having, thatwomen are starting to realize
that you can't fix them yeahthey have to fix themselves and
that they deserve better andthat you can be a complete
person without a man just get awife.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Everyone you know and that you need to and that you
need.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
When a person tells you something, you need to
believe them.
Yeah, they're not.
Don't act like they're lying toyou if they tell you this is
friends with benefits, it'sfriends with benefits.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Move on, move on yeah , yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
You need to say thanks for your time.
That's not what I want, andthen move on, even if you think
you're in love, because yourlove is not going to change
their mind.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
And like like it sucks to love somebody that
doesn't love you back.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, Unrequited love .
Really it does, it does.
Some of the best art comes fromunrequited love, you know, like
Bartok's First String Quartet.
It's amazing.
Well then, if you haveunrequited love.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Make art not murder.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah.
And, ladies, don't kill theother person, don't kill the
other woman, don't do it orblame the other woman because
it's not their fault.
I mean, the person that they'rewith is married.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Even if they know they're not the one that you're
in a relationship with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, the dude has the ability to keep his pants
zipped.
He chose not to, so he doesn'trespect you enough.
It doesn't matter how temptinga woman is, if a man really
loves you and respects you, hewill keep his dick in his pants.
Same with a woman If she reallyloves and respects you, you
she'll keep her panties on, it'strue, or she'll be, as my

(01:00:48):
grandmother says, a good cowgirl.
She'll keep her calves togetherare the cows the husbands?

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
how many husbands are there?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I don't know okay, any anything else now that we've
bashed men?
No, no offense, I still lovemen, I still men.
You're just a little oblivioussometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
There is a study about like whatever like men.
What is the study?
I'm going to mess it up sobadly, but I think it was about.
It was about like how much likehousework or whatever and and
how much rest women get and like, of course, like single women

(01:01:37):
get the most rest, right, butlike I think they showed that
like, uh, wives in like straightcis relationships, like do more
housework and stuff than evenlike single moms do.
Yeah, because because likethere's some like expectation

(01:02:00):
that they have to like keepthings nice or whatever, yeah,
how fucked up is that?
Yeah, that is fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So don't be that husband like no, and don't be
that wife if the husband expectsyou to keep everything clean.
But you also have a full-timejob and you're taking care of
kids then just fuck him.
No, move on, get a new guyexactly, yeah, that always.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
That drives me crazy too, when I see people like my
husband doesn't do this and like, and then they like don't do
anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Tell him.
Tell him Like you're not hismommy.
Yeah, If he still doesn't dothe thing that you asked them to
, I mean, I suppose leavingisn't easy for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So yeah, very true.
So it's not that easy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
No, it's not, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
But you know, let's raise the bar, put some
expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Yeah, raise the bar, raise the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
And men, you can reach that bar.
Yeah, it's not that hard, it'sreally not that far.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
No, if a child can do it, you can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, exactly.
And children often do so.
Yeah, exactly, and childrenoften do so.
Tell me about this dirty bookyou're reading.
You gotta do your thing first.
So I do.
Good reminder Because I wouldnot remember.
Sorry, I'm getting distractedby notifications, and they're

(01:03:22):
not even good ones.
By notifications and they'renot even good ones.
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(01:04:51):
And they want to stress thatany little bit of information
could be the key to findingDaisy.
So if you know something butyou don't think it's important,
just call and let them know.
Anyway, yeah, and yeah,hopefully, hopefully she's found
.
Yeah, she will be found.
Safe.
Seems like her.
It says her parents are reallyhoping for her safe return and

(01:05:16):
they want to let her know thatshe's loved.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Oh, no, Well, that's good, that's sad.
I hope that she's found safe.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah, me too, okay so .
So now it seems likeinappropriate to go right into
smut well, then you can talkabout what you've been reading
what I've been reading.
Um, I don't know if it's muchlike better, I don't know if
that that's not, that's not theright term, but um, I have been

(01:05:50):
uh reading um Wicked I mentioned, which has quite a bit of smut
in it as well.
And, um, what have I read sincewe last podcasted?
It hasn't been that long.
It's been like a week, hasn'tit Two weeks?

(01:06:12):
Oh, it hasn't been.
Mm-hmm, I guess we did, wedelayed it, we did delay it, so
I read.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Well, you said you had read, or were you starting
to read the Santa horror one?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I'm going to start.
I haven't started it yet.
You read Ring, I read Ring.
I read the New Couple in 5B by.
Lisa Unger.
I read Night of the Mannequinsby Stephen Graham Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Oh, you're ahead of me, I just got it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, and did I mention we used to live here
last time?
I don't know, I read that aswell.
We used to live here by MarcusKluwer Spell it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
K-L-I-E-W-E-R.
Hmm, interesting.
Yeah, I have no idea how topronounce his name.
But it was a good book, good so, if you like, Is it a haunted?
House book, maybe, maybe it'sup to interpretation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
It's supposed to be horror, though, right?
Yes, is that it?
Uh, yeah did you watch?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
anything.
Five books, um, we have beenwatching.
Uh, the new season, the newseason, last season's sad face
of Lower Decks, and I watched afew movies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I watched as Above.
Didn't you watch the mall one?
I was telling you about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Oh yes, I did what's it called.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Chopping Mall.
Chopping Mall.
I can't wait to watch it.
I haven't had a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
It's like a very cheesy mall slasher.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
That involves robots.
Right, yeah, right yeah veryfunny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
the robots are so hokey looking you're gonna laugh
.
Um, and I, yeah, I watched uh,as above, so below, which is
like a found footage horrorabout, like an archaeology team

(01:08:28):
that's comprised of of ofunrealistically youthful folks
that is looking for, likenicholas flamel's elixir of life
no, it's not just from harrypotter and they, uh, they are

(01:08:48):
searching in the catacombs ofParis and they access Well, I
shouldn't say too much, but it'svery interesting and it's
actually filmed in the catacombs.
So it's pretty cool.
And, yeah, if you like foundfootage, if, uh, you like people

(01:09:09):
trapped underground, then itmight be, uh, you might like it.
And uh, what else did I watch?
I watched smile too, as well,which was a lot like smile one,
but like more bigger.
Yeah, um, the actress did apretty good job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I thought so and, like I, I've heard that they're
supposed to be a smile three,like are they gonna do it like,
like jigsaw, not jigsaw, that'snot what it's called, but jigsaw
is the bad guy.
The saw movies.
The Saw movies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I don't know, because I'm like I really don't
know like where they're going togo from the end of the second
movie, yeah, and so I'm notgoing to say anything about it
because that would spoil it, butI'm like how, where do you
really go from there?
Yeah, so Interesting.

(01:10:07):
Yeah, so it was.
You know, it was fun, like it'snot like really more like as
above, so below is more of likea little bit intellectual, like
I can't say anything about thatwithout spoiling it.

(01:10:28):
But it involves questions.
Yeah, exactly, there'squestions, there's
interpretations and things likethat.
And Smile is more of like jumpscare, horrible things happening
like so a good, old-fashionedhorror.
Exactly, exactly, it's like anew, good old horror.
Exactly, yeah, exactly, it'slike a new, good old fashioned

(01:10:49):
horror.
Right, okay, exactly.
Well, that sounds cool, that itAlthough I will say I guess the
the two has a little bit moreof a psychological element than
one.
So, okay, that's all I have tosay about that and yeah, that's

(01:11:10):
all I've been doing, other thanjust yeah, well, you worked yeah
, I did work and I kids life andtired.
yeah, yeah, it's.
It's really thrown off my sleepschedule, which was already
weird.
Yeah, so Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Okay, now tell me.
Oh, now you want me to tell youabout my smut book.
Yes, technically it's not abook, at least I don't think
it's been put out for sale.
What Is it fan?
Not a book, at least I don'tthink it's been put out for sale
.
Is it fan fiction?
No, so there is a porn site.
It's not visual porn, it'swritten porn, it's prose porn

(01:12:00):
called Lit Erotica.
Okay, I think I've heard of it.
I'm sure you have Anything youwant want.
It's there.
Whatever your personal kink maybe, I'm sure you can find it.
I have no idea how I got tothis particular one yeah but it
was well written.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Sometimes you will find gold, sometimes you find
things that are actually reallywell written and it actually has
a really good story, so it'snot like fan fiction stuff, but
it is like amateur, or or do youare there like known, like
known authors on there, or is itmostly like amateur?
I don't think they're known,known I don't know if amateur is

(01:12:39):
like the right word, but likeit's, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Mostly they're not published authors, maybe
self-published.
Maybe, I think, this particularwriter, whose name I cannot
remember off the top of my headI don't know if she's
self-published this I think sheshould.
I'm not sure it would besomething that anybody would put
on the shelves unless sheedited a lot of stuff out, yeah,

(01:13:04):
but it is actually a really funstory.
It's this the okay, if anybodywants to know.
It's called Home for HornyMonsters and it's about this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
That sounds up your alley.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah, it's about this dude.
Okay, so it's not a reverseharem, this is a harem.
I was going to ask you.
Okay, so it's about a dude who,for certain reasons, has a
difficult time having sex withhuman women.
It's a psychological thing.
It's a sad thing.
Sad reason he moved, he hasthis house left to him.
He doesn't intend to keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
A sad reason that he needs a harem full of money yeah
, it's explained.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
um, yeah, but he's, he stays the night in this thing
.
And the first quote-unquotemonster appears a nymph, right,
yeah.
And then there's another one, aorc, a female, yeah, are they
orcs?
No, no, no, I'm sorry, not orcs.
Goblins, goblins, female goblinOrcs are.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Lord of the Rings specific, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I don't know.
There's a lot of orc porn outthere that has nothing to do
with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Lord of the Rings.
I think that Tolkien originatedorcs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I'm pretty sure, interesting.
Okay so, nymph goblin.
Then, sure, interesting, okay,so nymph goblin.
Uh, then there's a banshee,there's a I keep wanting to say
a marquee it's not a marqueethat has nothing to do.
A gargoyle, okay, um, I don'tknow what, where marquee came
from, and other things.

(01:14:41):
Okay, basically, whatever kinkyou have, there's something
about that in there.
Okay, but they have, they'retrying.
These monsters have beencollected in order to sort of
save them from extinction, andthey're covered from the rest of
the human world, which has kindof lost their magic, and there
are all these magical artifactsthat are encapsulated in this

(01:15:03):
house, right, and there is anevil entity out there comprised
of a number like witches andcollie I'm giving sorry, I gave
that away but warlocks, whatever, necromancers, and they are
trying to get the house becausethey think that there's
something that they can use inthe house, something really

(01:15:26):
important.
They don't know what it is, butthey want it, and so they're
trying to figure out ways to getthis house into their own hands
and they're just like every uh,I don't know 13 chapters or so
starts a new kind of storyline.
All the same characters, just anew storyline.

(01:15:46):
It's lgbtqia, friendly, um,again, whatever kink, you got
it's in there all the things,all of the things, kind of
kitchen sink kind of deal,kitchen sink kind of deal.
Yes, um, but I it doesn't sound.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I'm not really selling it, but it's well
written yeah, you know, I mean,it sounds like it has like an.
Yeah, it has, it has a story.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I can't really say much without giving it right
away.
Um, I mean, there are amusingthings in there that kind of
make you roll your eyes.
Like, um, he's got basicallylike magical sperm right, not
really, but kind of, because sohe sound funny.
So I forget what the reason was, but when he's with the nymph

(01:16:35):
she takes part of his soul andembeds part of her soul in that
part, so he's got some of hermagical powers.
And then by having sex withsome of these women, so he's got
some of her magical powers.
Yeah, and then by having sexwith some of these women
monsters, he's discovering thathe's got some of their magic.
I see Involved as well thereare other characters that come
in in the second book.
So just an FYI.

(01:16:58):
So there are other types ofmonsters.
Anything you can think of I'mpretty sure is going to be in
that book.
I've only read through thesecond part, yeah, but again, if
you're interested, it's LitErotica and it's Home for Horny
Monsters.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Who's the author?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I don't remember the author, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
anonymous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
I'm pretty sure she doesn't have her real name on
there, but there's a pen name.
There is a pen name.
Let me look it up real quick.
The writer's name is writerannabelle.
All one word, okay, and thetagline is scary doll yeah, uh.
The tagline is a blow job in abathtub turns into a grand

(01:17:41):
adventure.
Wow, uh.
So the intro a man inherits amagical home full of sexy
monster girls, cream pies and alack of a butthole somehow
become a valid plot device, alsohand-holding I like how they're

(01:18:02):
like cream pies and also handholding it is.
It's not just so.
This is like what I would callporn for women.
Yeah right, like it's, there'sromance to it, it's not he's not
just like fucking yeah, yeah, Ifigured that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
That's what they're.
They're saying there's there'slove element involved.
There's love involved.
It's more like a cutesy elementinvolved.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
There's love involved .
It's more like kind of thebooks that you would pick off
the shelves in Barnes Noble inthe romance section that have
the spicy things right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
It's the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Well, why wouldn't Mr Wright love his harem of
monster girls?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Right, it's you got to treat your harem monster
girls right morning, uh morning,glory milking farm.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Yeah, that would be like.
It's that kind of like thereare monsters, but what are you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
I don't know anything about that I listened to a
previous show and you said youknew it and you read it.
So I did read it.
So I don't know um.
People I know are listening tothis podcast, so I'm sorry you
had to hear my particular pornkink there, but hi, katie's mom

(01:19:15):
I don't know if she listensanymore, but I have a lot of
them, there's not just one yeahI have all of.
No, I don't have all of them.
There are quite a few I wouldnot participate in, not to yuck
anybody's yum, but I just yeah,I mean any anything involving in
there, oh my god may fly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
When you just said that about the, the pee and the
poop, oh mayfly, yeah, yeah, Iwent.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I'm not into any of those things.
Oh my god, like I don't want Idon't want to put an egg
anywhere near me and if youdon't know what we're talking
about consumption yes, if youdon't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
In my opinion yes, if that's your thing good, um, and
and how?
I still.
She spelled it out, I know, butI disagree because I mean I
don't want to spoil anybody, butlike I mean I've prepared eggs
that way and I don't think thatthey would do that like that.

(01:20:24):
No, yeah, I don't know, I thinkyou would need something a
little bit more firm I've.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I've listened to some some um interviews with that
author and I'm waiting forsomebody to ask if she actually
tried it, to see if it happened.
But nobody's asked her that,yet they've all been quite pg in
their discussions.
Yeah, but if you don't knowwhat we're talking about, mayfly
, you should read it it's great,mayfly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
It's funny, it's gross, it's it's good, yeah, and
you actually kind of like thecharacter, even though she's an
awful, awful awful awful, awfulperson and like you're like how
are people like this?

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
but yeah, in an entertaining way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I wouldn't ever want to meet her
in person and she definitelyneeds to go to jail, but but
then we'll never get a sequelthat's true.
I hope she makes a sequel.
She has a new book out, butit's not that it involves
religion.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Yeah, um like horror religion or just religion
religion, Horror religion Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, but if you've read Mayfly and I think you go
to this one, I read the firstbit you're going to have to just
forget that you read Mayfly.
It's very different.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
And take it on its own.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yeah, I'm not saying it's worse, like I've only read
the first paragraph.
I'm just saying you have toseparate the two, it's its own
thing.
It is its own thing.
Yeah, don't judge the new bookby the old book.
Yeah, take it separately, okay,anyway, this went on far more

(01:22:02):
than I thought it would, talkingabout my terrible smutty reads,
but I do.
I highly recommend it if you'reinto that kind of thing.
It's fun, it's a good read.
So that's what I've been doingwhen I should have been doing
other things Like reading.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Night of the.
Living Mannequins or whateverit is or the Santa Claus, one
Secret Santa or.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Secret Santa, not santa claus, yeah, um.
Oh, speaking of smut andchristmas, so I think the writer
of morning glory, milking farm,cm nos costas, the costa uh-huh
, is, uh, I see she has not thisbook, but but she has, I

(01:22:45):
believe, a Christmas book.
Oh no, oh, she has two of them.
So there's a Holly Jolly Mess.
I haven't read that one.
Oh no, that's different.
I don't know where it isbecause I know I have it, but it
is a Krumpus romance smut book.

(01:23:07):
I don't remember what the bookis called, but if you have a
Krumpus kink, I hear, that one'sgood.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
I like Krumpus is like a horror Christmas figure.
I don't know if I have aKrumpus.
I don't think I have a Krumpuskink, but I'm Some people do.
I would like to lose'm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Some people do.
I would like to ruse, but Somepeople do.
He's probably not as bad in theromance novel.
Yeah, you know, because it is aromance.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
I mean it's smut, but it's romance, it's romantic
porn it is yeah, I think Iprefer my Krampus a little bit
more evil and less horny.
But yeah, but I can, I can see,I can see why people enjoy that

(01:23:54):
.
Yeah, some people just likethat.
I mean he like does, issupposed to like spank you with
like a switch, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
So yeah, people have got a spanking kink.
That's one of the most popularkinks.
So, okay, we just talked aboutsmut and porn for 20 minutes and
Krampus and Krampus.
Okay, so like, subscribe,download, follow us on Instagram

(01:24:21):
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We're also on Facebook.
Have you checked anythinglately?
No, no, okay, you should.
Yeah, I will.
Yeah, we do have two newlisteners my friends from Crime

(01:24:43):
Cruise Nice.
Yeah, dee and Shably Well,welcome new listeners.
Yes, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
I hope you enjoyed this past conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
It will be heavily edited.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
They're learning all kinds of new things about you,
Katie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
I'm pretty sure I already told them about my smut
Maybe they're not, then yeah,I'm not generally very shy.
I read smut, I read smut, Iread not then, yeah, I'm I'm not
generally very shy.
I read smut, I read smut, I.
I read a lot of things weshould classics.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
We gotta get you a shirt that says I read smut.
Yeah, I don't think I'd wear itthough I mean it just gets out
of the way people already lookat me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
You know sideeye because I wear black all the
time.
Really, because I feel likethat's regular, you would think,
but I've gotten some looks thatare not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Maybe I get side-eyes because I'm a grown woman
wearing like a T-shirt, graphicT-shirt and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Well, you wear color, though much more than I do.
I mean, today I'm wearing color.
I, today I'm wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
I didn't used to Color, but I didn't used to.
But it's one thing that's Like,if I get like a dress, for
example, and like I get multipleof the dress, then I gotta get
them in like different colors,and then that way it's easier
for me to keep track of whichones I've worn and which ones I
haven't worn.
That's smart, yeah, yeah.

(01:26:08):
And also, when you have, when Iam wearing a lot of black and
like jay is wearing a lot ofblack, then it's such a pain in
the ass to like root throughyour laundry and like find the
shit that you need because it'sall fucking black, yeah, and so
now I started.
That's another reason I startedbuying some things that were

(01:26:29):
colors.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Yeah, well, thank god , I pretty much live on my own
and do my own laundry I mean Ilive with my grandma, but she
does hers and I do mine separateand she doesn't wear any black.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So no, no smut t-shirt, butyeah, I read all.
I read all kinds of things, butI do read smut.
It's fun, it's brainless, isreally what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Yeah, it's nice, relaxing and yeah like sometimes
, maybe you don't want to, maybeyou don't.
Yeah, I read about people'sheads getting chopped up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah, because my I mean my, my favorite genres are
actually like mystery, thriller,suspense.
Yeah, I like horror quite a bit, but I don't necessarily want
to read that before I go to bedbecause it's too.
Not necessarily scary, but it'sjust it's.
It's not the thing that's gonnalull you to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
It doesn't wind you down, it doesn't wind you down,
it winds you up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Some might say smut would do that, but it doesn't
really, it's just, it's justthere.
Yeah, yeah, okay, enough smutLike subscribe, download, follow
us personal and the thingy Sendus an email.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Send us an email and be like hey, but don't try and
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an email and be like hey, butdon't try and sell us stuff
because we can't buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
No, we can't afford it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
But you can send us an email if you want to sponsor
us, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
That would be fun.
We'll try real hard to sell.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Neither one of us are very good at it, but we'll try
Ginger flavored anal lube If youwant to sponsor us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Oh, this is quickly turning into a sex podcast I'm
just saying capitalism bashing,guy bashing and sex, that's us
nerd stuff too.

(01:28:37):
And nerd stuff some, some startrek, yeah, some trek.
Um, okay, like download,subscribe email and we will talk
to you next time yep bye.