May 20, 2024 • 51 mins
When the relentless push of life's challenges meets the resilience of a Midwest musician, what unfolds is a testament to the healing power of creativity. Today's episode welcomes a seasoned artist who shares his journey from the early raw days to the unexpected thrill of viral rise and success. We navigate the choppy waters of music promotion, touring upheavals due to COVID-19, and the shift to studio work that's redefined success in the digital age. Duke serves as a beacon of hope, illustrating how an artist's career can pivot on a moment's notice—from a trickle of daily streams to a deluge of recognition.
Taking a step back from the stage lights, our conversation turns inward, reflecting on the complexities of life, music, and fatherhood. We find solace in the Midwestern roots and explore how the blue-collar ethos infuses our guest's music with authenticity and grit. The personal stories shared reveal the profound ways our upbringing and the silent legacies of father figures shape who we become. It's a deep dive into our identities, embracing the roles we play off-stage—be it as musicians, fathers, or the conduits of introspection that guide our creativity.
The episode rounds out with an honest look at the creative process, the restorative nature of jiu-jitsu, and the unifying force of community, whether through shared experiences in music or the collective spirit of sport. From the heartfelt tribute to linemen in the aftermath of storms to the therapeutic escape of martial arts, we uncover how our passions, whether on canvas, in song, or on the mat, fuel our continuous search for personal growth. Join us for a candid session that's as much about striking chords on a guitar as it is about striking balance in life.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I got hooked on a drink in 93.
The same damn year she tried toswallow me.
She breached the levee withincredible ease.
Oh, she broke my arm, broughtme to my knees and I know that's
the way I roll.
Yeah, I know that's the way I'mgoing.
(00:30):
So I waste my life pushing mudThick and black like the devil's
blood Carried down here by thewater, so deep that cold, dirty
bits will be the death of me,and I know that's the way I'll
go.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No man, it's been crazy.
You're good, you growing alittle bit, a little bit, yeah,
a little bit at a time.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, that's how it is, dude, that's how I grow too.
It's just a little bit at atime I do one thing thing.
Maybe something like one littledeal will take off a little bit
, and then you know then, thenit's nothing for a while yeah
and a little something, and thenit's nothing.
I'm waiting for the bigsomething to happen someday, but
yeah, it may never.
I might do little somethingsfor the next four or five years
(01:18):
that's just how we're wired,dude instant gratification.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We want it now.
Oh, but you got to pay yourdues and do the little things
along the way.
And yeah, from shit, what wasit?
I was just looking at thisearlier.
I was just telling corby when Italked to him the other day
that he was episode number threeof the Dial the Wild podcast
(01:44):
and now he's episode 89.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, dude, and that's the consistency thing is
the main thing Most people don'teven get past episode two.
So what?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
was I April 5th of 2021, you were episode number
nine.
Ah dang, you'll be at like 90.
Sweet, it's been cool goingback around and seeing where
everybody's at like three yearslater, because obviously I can't
believe it's been three yearsyou know, I bought a house and
stuff and, like the house I wasrenting, corby, come over, we're
(02:16):
just down in the basement.
You know bs and about crossfit,he was still at his shop over
at Over by Diggers and like nowhe's expanded and oh yeah.
Blown up and done his thing andlike you're probably At least
three or four times as busy asyou used to be doing the music
thing, yeah, like you put outanother album.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I put an album out In January.
I got.
I've been crazy busy.
I'm trying to think three yearsago I put an album out in
January.
I've been crazy busy.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm trying to think three years ago we were kind of
just coming out of COVID.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It was early 2021.
Because it was all messed upafter COVID.
Because all, all the tour, allthe touring, oh, all the touring
was um, um, was, was, was allshut down and um, I was in the
studio.
I did some recording.
I can't remember like I think Imight.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Uh, bootstraps was probably just about to get
released yeah, it was like itcame out like two weeks after
our podcast okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, a lot has changed since that song.
Yeah, that song came out and,um, you know, um, it didn't do
much for a while.
You know, I was trying tofigure out how to promote it.
I didn't know how.
I mean, I couldn't really tour,so I couldn't really go out and
like play anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So um, yeah, your instagram and stuff.
You really got active on that.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, I was like you know, that's kind of the only
thing way I could do it.
And then I was waiting for,like Spotify and the other like
music algorithms to try to takeoff.
Um but the uh, but the musicalgorithms didn't really like
well, it was, it just takes time.
What they're doing is likethey're looking at you know
they're crawling the web.
They're doing is like they'relooking at you know they're
crawling the web, they'recrawling social media and be
(04:05):
like, well, what are peopleengaging with?
Who are people engaging with?
Right?
And then, okay, and they'reusing this song to do what you
know.
And then tiktok.
I had a tiktok I made.
I remember I made I remember Iwas playing a show.
It was in the summertime andI've been posted on tiktok.
I was like, okay, I'm gonna,I'm gonna discipline, I'm going
to post a video on Tik TOK, likelike once a day.
(04:26):
You know, like it doesn't haveto be anything, it just be some
simple reminding people you'reout there.
Yeah, just doing something, hey,what's up, you know, and, and,
um, then all of a sudden, like,uh, I posted a video where I was
.
I was, I had a show that nightand I posted a video of me lip
syncing bootstraps into thephone or something, driving my
(04:49):
car.
And I got to the show, I soundchecked, I put my phone in my
bag and I got back to my phone.
There was like 200 alerts.
I was like what is going on?
And I opened it up and Ithought, holy shit, huh,
something happened like thisvideo for some, some reason,
took off, why I don't even know.
(05:11):
And then, um, uh, you know, andit got a few thousand views, um
, but then I was able to look atmy spotify and people were
going from tiktok to my spotifyand then like, and, and I was,
my spotify was growing.
All of a sudden the streams onthat song, like you know, went
from 10 you know, a, you know to, or like, I will use a 10, 5 to
(05:34):
10 a day to hundreds a day, youknow.
and then that's thousands a day,yeah, you know, and now it's
over.
You know between now between umspotify and apple music, and
now it's over.
You know between now between umspotify and apple music and
stuff it's over.
You know 400 000 streams, youknow so, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I remember one, one of the tiktoks.
You're actually explainingwhat's the song where you're on
the river and you did the videoand everything it's called yeah,
push them light.
That's what it was about andlike you're on there and you're
like pointing at a screen behindyou.
It's like this is what it means.
It's like when the water tableis, this is like you're getting
all scientific.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well, I should probably, I you know.
And then the other thing I foundthat was so funny Sometimes,
sometimes the uh, uh, I'll repost.
I repost videos from time totime, like you know, like a
month, like if something workedgood one month, I might repost
it again, but I'm always tryingto create new content.
(06:33):
But what I really realize islike this is how you grow your
audience or how you try to reachpeople, is it's all through
that stuff?
I have a hard time withinstagram and facebook.
Is there this?
Here's something crazy.
So I got this song called outright now, called wah pity,
which is on my new record thatcame out in January.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
What's the?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
name of the record.
The name of the record is heShot More Than Birds, that's
right, okay, it's called he ShotMore Than Birds and there's 10
songs on it and all of them arekind of different.
There's some rock songs there's.
You know, there's a lot,there's a lot on there, but we
(07:13):
can go through that a little bit.
But anyway, there's a song onthere called what pity, and what
pity is um, shawn e, uh, forelk, okay, and it's about elk
hunt.
The whole, the whole thing is astory about elk hunt.
Well, I was like trying tofigure out how am I going to
generate content with this?
You know I'm not out in themountains right now.
I can't like video, like allthe videos that I had been, you
know, taking to mountains.
I had already made some videosand stuff.
I'm trying to figure out how Ican uh get it going again.
And I, there was a, um, a shortclip of a bull elk on a golf
(07:37):
course and you know, of course,when, like bull elk, when bull
elk like in during the rut, theythey're like piss all over
themselves and they're likescrape and uh, you know, scratch
the ground and you know, andthen you know they're they're
tearing up the green.
Well, this elk is like standingon a like right in the fairway
and just shredding this fairwayand just he's in.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's in rut yeah, he's doing, he's straight
goating it up.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh dude, he's like come around, let's you know.
And I took wapiti with the veryfirst lyrics of that song are I
got drunk last night and I'mfeeling kind of shitty.
Early in the morning beenhunting Wapiti and that's it.
That's it.
And I shared it on Instagramand I didn't mean to it
(08:20):
cross-shared to Facebook and onFacebook it got 1.1 million
views.
Oh my gosh, and I was like whoaand so and that grew my
facebook really good, but itdidn't really drive people to my
music.
You know it.
Like people heard the song andit made funny because like half
the comments were like that'show I pee when I get drunk in
(08:41):
the morning, my wife yells at meyou know, like there was, you
know, 30 comments on there and Iwas.
It was fun because I was goingback and forth, so it was yeah,
no, you know, it's all, it's allgood, it's, it's all about that
really too, which is like it'sengagement, you know, like
trying right.
People want to engage withpeople and uh, yeah, so I don't
know that's what's been going onthe the um, but they, the
(09:02):
bootstraps, did really well it'sgrown.
Uh, my music, you know, both onspotify and apple, I'm, you
know, I'm just like so gratefulfor everybody that like listens
to it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, it's good stuff you know, I appreciate it yeah,
put a lot of work into it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, I mean like trying to you know.
Another thing about being acreative individual is like
trying to be aware, you know, uh, looking around, seeing who's
around you doing things.
You know, but I'm sure to you,you're aware of other podcasts
and you know, within the regionand within the area and, like
all that, I aspire to.
That.
I mean, like you know, no one'sgonna who's gonna be joe rogan,
(09:37):
but you know, like you know,you can aspire to have to to
catch people and be like, hey, Iwant to hear, to hear that
podcast, it's funny, he has goodguests on it, and like it's
clever or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you know, and I'm trying todo that too with music, trying
to I identify a bunch of folksyou know within the region that
I think are great.
And then from there it saysthat I made a list.
(09:59):
This is crazy.
This is crazy.
I made a list of a hundredpeople that I kind of want to,
that I want to work with, andit's either play a show with
them or whatever, any kind ofway.
I just want to make thatconnection.
Sure, I'm checking it off.
I've got some of them checkedout.
I got a long way to go, but youknow I'm working at it.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, so I would say that please tell me aaron lewis
is on this list aaron lewis ison the list.
Okay, you know because that'swhen I think of the kind of
music you're doing and becauseyou listen to aaron's stuff,
it's all like true to him andhow he grew up in his life and
his experiences, which I love,the stain stuff, but you can get
more of the personality out ofit, sure, sure, and like you're
(10:38):
talking about being on the river, you're talking about bull elk
pissing, you're talking aboutworking getting a ged.
You're talking about workinggetting a GED.
Blah, blah, blah.
You know it's all real lifestuff.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't know People really connect with that.
When you know, it's just likeoh yeah.
I know what that dude's talkingabout.
I deal with that shit all thetime.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, you know, it's kind of weird to like think
about.
Like you know you got all ourfriends and like these people
that we deal with and sayingthings direct.
You know it pisses me off.
You know, I mean I'm going to.
You know I have an education.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, and I actually have a pretty dang good
education now, we went throughthat on the first podcast, but
check that out.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But you know, like I wasn't the smartest kid, my dad
and actually that whole firstpart of that lyric from
bootstraps is like about my dadRight, like you know, I had a
full-time job since the age of16, working really hard.
I got my GED uh, non, moneydon't grow on trees I got a
double wide trailer and somemouths to feed and I was like
you know, like the experiencethat I grew up with, my dad
(11:42):
worked his ass off.
My mom did her thing, you know,and um, you know she worked too
and but it was, it was a grind,you know, and um, I, I, you
know a lot of the elite people Irun around with.
I hate the, the condescension Iget from elite folks about, um,
you know, the I'm a, I'm aredneck.
(12:04):
I've got a bunch of redneckfriends and you know I'm not,
you know I'm not the kind ofredneck you talk shit about
their friends to you know, likeI'm proud.
I mean like, look, you know.
I mean you know, look at itright now, Guess what
everybody's trying to get jobsdoing, Guess what the highest
paying yeah, you go out there.
Trades, yeah, Be a tradesvocations.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And this is coming from a college professor.
Folks there you go.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, I mean, there's good things about college,
stuff too.
I mean like college can begreat, you can find yourself and
you can do some things.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
There's a lot of avenues where I mean you've got
to have college.
But if you don't have much andyou're just trying to figure
things out.
Make some dollars and thenfigure it out.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, I went to college for three years and
wrestled and then dropped outand I was out for three years
playing rock and roll andbouncing around before I went
back and was like, oh okay, Iunderstand who I am and what's
going on and what I can do, andI kind of figured out a process
about how to be good at whateverI guess good at whatever I'm
(13:01):
doing.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, Well, you got to pay the bills.
That's the thing is.
You got mouths to feed and yougot.
You got responsibilities.
And playing music's fun, doingpodcasts are fun, but well, but
this is the stuff you're workingfor right.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know like I mean, you know this is if you're
working for I, you know I I loveyour pockets.
I think it's super cool.
I mean it's cool that there'ssomeone here doing it here in
the middle of Midwest.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Who talks about middle class stuff in the
Midwest dude, you know you'llbet your guy does, but you know
he pokes fun at it and I thinkit's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, there's a lot of things, too, to poke fun at
about being a redneck.
You know I mean I see it bothas a virtue and a um, you know a
slant.
You know what I mean.
Like look, you know I'm nottrying to be.
You know some toothless redneckout there like just ignorant to
be ignorant.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, you know what I mean.
There's a fine line like sayingthat you're a redneck.
To humble yourself is a lotdifferent than saying that
you're a redneck that gives youan excuse to go out and just be
a dipshit.
Yeah, exactly is is what comesto mind when you know I, yeah, I
would say I'm, you know I'mblue collar and I I would I tell
(14:16):
everybody I'm a closet hickwhat I do because, yeah, I'm
fairly educated and stuff too,but I still like to hunt, I
still like to drink, I stilllike to hunt, I still like to
drink, I still like to fish,yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, we're still.
We're still cavemen at the endof the day.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
We're still just very primal,yeah, very primal, you know.
You know I, it would, would,would bothers me too about.
Like, okay, mark Twain, thatguy was ruling, yeah, I mean,
that guy would.
Like that guy was alive today,people would think that he is a
(14:50):
terrible individual.
He was one of the mostthoughtful men on the planet.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Like you know, to be able towrite and to think and to do,
this philosophy that was like,like I love the kind of like the
Hills philosophy.
Like you know, these guys whocan go out into a cabin and,
like you know, get away from thepeople, I mean it's almost like
(15:13):
the American or Western versionof, like a monk.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, or a teenager putting their phone down for
five minutes.
There you go, right, right.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, I like going out to the you know, absolutely
Going out, putting their phonedown for five minutes.
There you go right.
Well, I like going out to theyou know absolutely going out
into the mountains and going toelk hunt and sitting up there by
yourself you know, we sawmountain lion by yourself in the
mountains.
You're like you start to thinkfor a minute.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well, yeah, who would win that fight?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
right when who'd win that fight?
And also, too, who'd probablyreally care if I lost the fight,
and and who would care if helost the fight.
And then all of a sudden, theworld and stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You can begin looking at it, it gets smaller man.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It gets smaller and we're all asking the same big
questions.
It doesn't matter Absolutely.
And some of these elite people,they aren't asking any good
questions.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, in a lot of it, profit margin loss, uh status.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The the top line is the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, so that's it.
I don't I.
I, I would like to think thatif I took a different vocation
or a different job or somethingand hustled at it, I could
probably make six figures, butI'd be absolutely miserable.
Oh, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Well, and you're not going to take any of it when you
go.
No, you know no, it's staying.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, my kids will get it, I guess I guess yeah,
but then you know, I'm sure theywould rather have their dad,
though, than an inheritance ofwell, 100.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
They would rather have their dad.
They'd be better off with theirdad because, like, what's the
main thing right now?
We ain't got enough.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We, we don't have enough dads to you know you know
how do you say that lightly.
But I mean just the fatherfigure in the home is definitely
taking a toll on this country.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, we, you know, having father like I had an
amazing dad, like you know, anduh, I mean.
Well, the thing was he was notwithout his flaws either.
You know he was like he had abunch of problems, you know.
But you know I'll say that hewasn't a drinker or anything
like that, but you know he dealtwith some serious depression in
his life, sure, and that Iexperienced, you know, which was
(17:17):
terrible, which was tough, butalso, at the same time, man.
He was like, always like he,encouraging me and then like
checking me when I was likegetting, you know, too big for
my britches, and you know he washe was.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
He was.
He was great that and you knowI wish everybody could have it.
You know I had a great dad.
I'm lucky that I had a dad thatway.
There's so many people thatjust.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's a different generation, a different work
ethic too.
I like don't get me wrong, Idon't mind working and earning
my keep, but there are guys likemy dad who work all day long
and then they'll go home andthey'll work the rest of the
damn night.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, I got a movie.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, I got to put rock here.
Well, I got a wire.
I got to go help your sisterwith her drywall.
It's like dude, where do youget the energy?
You're almost 60 years old.
Tone it down a notch, scotty.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, it's definitely different, but what's, what's
up with this new album?
Let's talk about that.
Well, so.
We started talking about that Alittle bit ago and I like how
diverse you are With, like, thedifferent Influences of music.
That's in that you said rock, alittle blues, a little country.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, um, yeah, there's a lot of different stuff
, but mainly, I mean it's it's acountry record.
That's the way I think about it.
Um, you know, people argueabout genre, but whatever, um,
there's some rock influence inthere too.
Um, and uh, it consists of mysong bootstraps.
That is actually on there.
Um, there were some songsbecause of covid and how we were
(18:42):
recording everything and how wecould get together.
I had some of these songswritten a few years, or a couple
of them written a few yearsback that I was going to release
the singles, but it didn't workout Cause it was like trying to
get into the dang studio and doeverything.
It was a was a pain in the butt, but yeah, so he shot more than
birds is a.
There's a, the title track orthe non-title track, but the
(19:02):
title track or the non-titletrack, but the main track on
there is a song called WestKansas Plains, which is a story
about my hometown.
It's not a real story, it's afictional story, but it's about
a barrel racer and it'sbasically a kind of Western
murder ballad.
It's not really a ballad, butit's a murder song and you know
(19:23):
it's about.
You know you go home and youfall in love with your lady,
right, you know.
And then she steps out withsome, you know, slick-tongued
cowboy, yeah, and they meettheir demise and then you're on
the run, you know.
So that's kind of the gist ofthe story.
That's where the term.
He shot more than birds, youknow, because I grew up like
(19:50):
when I grew up as a kid.
I grew up like when I grew up asa kid.
I grew up pheasant hunting like100 pheasants all the time.
After school my buddies and Iwould go out and this back in
the 90s where I could.
I still had a gun in my truckwhen I went to school, because
we go after go walk the ditchesin the evening.
Um so um, but uh, that's kindof the the one of the main
tracks on there.
There's, um, some blue collarstuff on there.
There's bootstraps.
There's song called the Mill,which is a story that's based on
some kind of true events.
Some people near me had somereal sad times with some drugs
(20:14):
here in the Midwest and the Millis kind of about a family who
falls victim to that.
It's a very common story aroundhere.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Very, very real in this area as far as what we're
fighting with meth and fentanyland no one.
Yeah, I mean it's a it's anissue, and that takes us back to
the, the fatherless homes, andI had a friend a broken world
that we live in at times I had afriend of mine, the her son.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You know it is a father of a situation and you
know I mean he VOD'd like a fewtimes before he turned 17.
Shame Chris.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And he's okay.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Now you know he's been clean, he's doing great, so
I'm happy.
You know, I'm super happy aboutthat.
But then also there's songsabout the river on there.
There's a song about a guy, afriend of mine.
I read a lot about people thatI know and the stories are very
similar to theirs.
They're not exactly.
You got to have a little bit ofartist's license Protect the
innocent?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, it's not.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
you got to make sure you got to make shit rhyme and
stories work.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's not always like uh doesn't always work perfect.
So, um, uh, the there's a songcalled alignment on there that's
been doing pretty well as well.
Yeah, a lot of people identifywith that yep, uh, my friend's
been.
My brother-in-law is a, anelectrician, my, uh, and he does
works on the on the linemanside.
Uh, my uh.
We got other couple other goodbuddies who are lineman, um, and
(21:35):
you know, when storms come andjust like they did in omaha, you
know, and uh, there's, you knowyears ago there was some bunch
of stuff going on in kentuckyand down in florida and in
chicago even know, and they goout on storms and the story is
about him leaving his newborndaughter to go on storm for, you
know, weeks on end, you know,and then come back and then go
back again, you know, in anotherstorm.
(21:55):
You know it's like he'sconstantly.
You know, and you know I justrespect those guys the hell out
of people like that, you know,who do those that stuff and
they're worth being celebrated,because it's a virtue to have
men that are badasses and go outthere and brave it and do it,
whether they like it or not.
There's a lot of songs in thisrecord too, about my dad.
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There's a song called Promise.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Land, and he had passed not long after our last
podcast too.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you gave him a lot of props, as you know,
taking you on the oil rigs andyou would make sculptures and
stuff yeah which which, uh, youknow, really really kind of lack
of a better term molded kind ofthe person you are now, you
know, because, uh, you know,just making the, the sweet bust
in town and, oh yeah, and beingable to, you know, influence
(22:49):
different, different parts oftown, and it just amazes me that
that we still live in a placewhere you can go somewhere and
get us like a sculpture degree.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You know, yeah yeah, well, you know I think that's
crazy, but I think it's cool ashell too.
Yeah, I mean, well, I well, Imean, I'll tell you.
I mean we need art.
You know all this stuff.
Well, I get that.
It's the second I'll.
I'll finish about my dad realquick.
He, he, there's a song on thisrecord and I did.
I lost my dad a few years agoand he, obviously, we were very
(23:30):
like, literally weeks after hepassed, like I, I was having
these like extremely vividdreams, like um, and I'd wake up
and like it was like I was justtalking to him, and in this I'm
talking like four, five, sixnights in a row, these like and
I could, and I and I honestlywas kind of getting to the point
, like man, I wonder if theseare gonna stop.
You know, like I, you know,because they were, you know, I
was waking up in a conversationwith them, you know, and the
(23:50):
conversations were alwaysdifferent, and so that I have
this song it's called a promisedland and basically it's a bunch
of advice that my dad kind ofgave me in dreams, like the dang
song wrote itself like and it'sfun when they just happen yeah,
yeah yeah, I'm you know Ireally like that song means a
lot that's a good thing aboutmusic, man, is it's a therapy.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
At times, you know it can be how you, how you get it
off your chest and how youpresented other people, and then
when other people hear that andthey go through the similar,
similar things in their lives,it's just like you know you
really connect with those folks.
Yeah, that's what I always toldpeople when I do.
Music is like, if there's oneperson out there that relates to
what I'm writing about is like,then I'm good.
(24:32):
Yeah, it'd be cool to play infront of thousands of people and
it is cool I haven't played infront of thousands.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You've had some good, I've had some big crowds, but I
had, you know, I maybe I'vebeen in front of a thousand, you
know, but I've been in front ofhundreds, multiple, multiple
times and um, but I'll tell youwhat boy it is, you know.
You know it's like heroin, butyeah, yeah and when people are
vibing with and you're havingfun, they're like this is like
(25:00):
what we are meant to do,absolutely.
It has this kind of dianice,dionysian, like you know, party
vibe and people are just like Ilove these songs.
You're singing about somethingI relate to and they're singing,
and then the best part is thereare some times where they start
singing.
Well, they know it, someonewill be there that I don't know
(25:20):
and they'll start singing thewords back.
I went to the show up inChicagoago and I've played there
quite a bit, but I haven'tplayed this bar in a while, or
this.
There's a music hall.
I didn't play it in a while and, uh, this guy had heard that
lyman song and he came out.
He's like I'm a lime.
I heard this song and I lookedyou up.
I saw you're playing here, dude, and they're singing the damn
words back to me.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Nice, and I'm like dude, that is, that's cool,
that's really cool, that'sreally cool going back to your,
your comment earlier is like wewe need music and we need the
arts because you pound.
You pound mathematics into akid's head.
They might get it they'll sureyeah, but you get that kid
counting off time signatures orusing that math for industrial
(26:04):
arts, or they're using theirEnglish grammar skills to write
a new song or something they'reactually applying that.
That's what we're losing whenwe're cutting these school
programs, and we can go on thattangent forever.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Well, I would say this here's, I think, one of the
misconceptions about art andabout teaching good art.
This is my opinion and I thinkit holds pretty good is my
opinion and you know, I think itholds pretty good.
It's, you know, art is aproblem, a critical thinking,
problem solving method, and youknow, you think about it, okay,
(26:35):
you know.
So you mentioned that bust oflincoln that I did over there,
right?
Okay, how do you make a giantconcrete, lincoln?
Well, you got to figure it out.
And so what do you?
What do you do?
Well, you get, you know, youfind an old robot arm and you
build a 3d concrete printer andthen you design the, the, the
file, and then you test concreteout, you find out how much it
(26:58):
can, how wet it needs to be,what kind of concrete needs to
be, how it will slump and how itwill stiffen.
And then you figure out, whenyou print it, how thick it can
go, so will slump, and how itwill stiffen.
And then you figure out, whenyou print it, how thick it can
go, so you can slice the modelup enough.
I mean, you, you know, you, you, you find a way to build an
extruder to extrude the concretethat attaches to the robot arm.
You gotta you know you just soit's a problem solving.
Now, that's a complex issue,that that that I'm dealing with,
(27:21):
right, however, music is thesame thing.
It's a problem method.
I'm trying to get from point Ato point B.
Tell a story, make sure I geteverything in there.
That's important.
Make it entertaining.
But also, yeah, make itentertaining, give it a hug,
make it land, you know, make itauthentic.
So it's not like bells andwhistles.
(27:41):
It's saying something real, youknow, and the good artists say
something real.
The good, whether it's visualart or you know, or, or music.
It's a problem solving thing andit's all about critical
thinking and like with mystudents man, all I do is like
try to drive that home, like,listen, what's your process?
You got to identify yourprocess.
You're making stuff, but youdon't even know why you're
(28:02):
making it.
You just you're just making itbecause that's how you can make
things, and then you eventuallygo you say, oh, I'm making this
because I'm really good at thistype of thing, or this motion
seems natural, you know.
Just like hitting a baseball,like you know.
Sometimes, like you, you getreally good at hitting the
fastball.
You know, and you got to learnhow to hit the curveball.
You might be the greatestfastball hitter in the world.
(28:23):
But you got to be critical anddiscern a curve ball where you
slider your calculated risk.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
going to take them.
Yes, if you screw it up.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How are you going to go back and try it again?
And what's going?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
on in the game, you know, is there a runner on?
Do you want to hit behind therunner?
Do you want to hit?
You know what do you want to doyour approach.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You can be late.
If you just got to pop it up tothe opposite field or just got
done with the archery kids overat the bow shop a little bit ago
and been helping this kid for awhile and you know it's.
It's.
It's kind of like smacking yourhead against the wall sometimes
, because you can tell them andyou can teach them so many times
, but until that light bulb goesoff, that and I'm not pounding
my chest or anything, I'm justsaying, once that light bulb
(29:07):
goes off and they accept thatI'm not going to be stubborn
about this anymore, yeah, yeah,like I'm tired of not being good
at this.
I'm actually going to applywhat I'm learning.
Once you see that light bulb gooff, dude, there's nothing
better yeah because then you seea kid that can't hit a paper
plate putting together a groupat 20 yards.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You know size, real tight, can yeah, you know that's
cool, that's super cool, youknow, you know, I uh, this guy I
heard this guy today and Ithink it's it's great was like
the difference between like abunch, like you know, artists
who and I say I use artists as aterm for a lot of things but
people who are doing a something, creative folks, creative folk,
(29:48):
you know, uh, content creatorsat creative folk that they're
seeing the good, like someonewho's good and someone who's
successful and someone who'sgreat even, but someone who's
good and just someone who'ssuccessful oftentimes, uh, uh is
uh, is their ability to look atthe thing as a process, not a
(30:09):
finished product.
It's like, oh, you know, I'm anartist and here are the things
I've made.
No, no, no, I'm an artist andhere's how I do what I do.
Right, because you're lookingat what you do.
You know that is yeah, that'swhat.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And you alter it and you change it, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And you find what works.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yes, there is no destination.
I went through a thing not toolong ago where these guys sent
me some music and I was writing,you know, some lyrics and doing
some vocal work for it and likethe first two songs boom Like
concepts.
Easy, I can tell this story, Ican run with this.
And then I hit a writer's blocklike you wouldn't believe this.
(30:47):
And then I hit a writer's blocklike you wouldn't believe, and
I I got pissed because theseguys are sending me stuff.
It's really like what you'redoing, can you send some more?
I was like I'll try.
You know, I'm not gonna send itif I don't feel good about it
you know, so, and I'm justsitting downstairs with this pen
and this paper, just like damnit, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
and then are you just listening to like listening to
straight music that they'verecorded yeah, just Just the
music, and you're trying to comeup with the lyrics and stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, yeah, and I've got plenty of ideas.
It's just how do you roll withit, how do you lay it out?
And then I actually broke downand watched a YouTube video on
writer's block and it was.
It was more of a dude talkingabout, like novelist and stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And he said the first thing you got to do is look at
writer's block as the myth it is.
And people are just like, well,it's not a myth, because
obviously it's true.
It's like it's not true.
You just haven't primed theright part of your brain just
yet.
So you go through.
He's just like.
He's going through all thesedifferent steps and I'm like,
okay, I can see this.
I can see it because he'stalking about you've got to get
(31:45):
rid of your distractions.
You know, put the phone down,yeah, quit.
You know, quit trying to tointerrupt yourself because you
know you're not getting anywhere.
But you've got to separate.
The biggest thing that stuck outto me was you've got to
separate the writing process,the rough draft for process,
from, like, the finished product.
(32:06):
Right, like if you're trying tomake it perfect the first time
around, like you are going to donothing but piss yourself off
for hours and hours and hours onend.
But if you just like, one ofthe songs I wrote was was a
intervention song.
It literally I broke down howthe psychologists say you're
supposed to do an interventionand I wrote a letter to a buddy
(32:29):
and broke it down as to how thatwould go down in a meeting, you
know, and just tried to buildthe whole thing and I was just
like, how do I get this pointacross?
And then finally it's like justwrite the letter, dude, you can
figure out how to put it tomusic later.
Just write the damn letter,just write the letter, yeah.
So, yeah, you write the letter,you figure out how to put your
music.
Yeah, you don't make it perfect, and then you roll from there.
(32:50):
Yeah, you know you gotta likewhich.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
That's my process no, no, no, no.
It's the thing, like you know,like with my students, like we
were making these, uh, cardboardself-portraits and like
basically they're, they're andthey're realistic looking things
.
You know, um and uh.
You know I'm talking to themabout proportion and scale and
all these kinds of things.
But you know, what happens islike you do something and, as an
(33:13):
artist or a creative person,you're like, oh, you're making
this thing, and then you becomeinvested in it because, like,
you spend so much time on it,then you're like and then, and
then someone, and then you lookat it and you know, oftentimes
you know, sure, something'swrong.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yes, Something's up here and I don't know what it is
.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I don't quite know what it is.
And then someone tells you andyou're like, oh man, now I got
to go change it.
And then it's like I got it,but now I got it.
And there's this like voice orthis thing, where you're like,
you're like you know, justcompletely deflated because you
got to go and cut this thing off, this thing you just built.
start completely over you knownot even yeah, maybe you're only
(33:52):
starting 80, maybe you're onlystarting 50 over, but you still
got to go back, you know, andyou got to let that go.
You've got to learn to, or forme, that's the only way, and I
and the thing is like I've beendoing it for my entire career
and I still have it.
Yeah, I still am like tumbling,yeah, like man.
You know, I got to let it goand I got to go and make try to
(34:14):
fix this.
You know, fix this thing, cutthis thing off, make this thing
work.
You know, whatever I got to do,you know, just keep grinding
away at it and you know, takingconstructive criticism in the
process is huge too.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, we get too personally involved in it.
Oh, we get way too involved.
And then we say, no, this is myvision, this is what I want to
do.
And then you know, when someonewho genuinely cares about you
or loves you tells you that Ilove you, but this is crap, oh
yeah.
Yeah, you know, you got to beable to take that with a grain
of salt and and be like, okay,well, how do I make this better?
And it's like, well, theseparts are really good.
(34:50):
Yeah, this one not so much.
And then you go from there and,before you know it, I just made
a tiktok today, or dot?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I posted a facebook or instagram video today.
No, no, instagram.
Sorry, jeez, I'm not even knowwhat I'm posting on.
Uh, youtube, sure, and um, uh,you know that youtube is like
man, you want to get some shittycomments like these guys.
Holy shit, that was pure cringe.
Best probably leave that one onthe shelf, buddy, you know?
(35:20):
Like and um, there's people outthere who give you comments
like that.
Um, um, there's people thatlive for that, though, too.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
They just oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You know.
But the thing is like, thosecomments, like that I've really
I'm surprised.
I honestly thought that thekind of stuff would like bother
me over time, but it really I'vedone it.
I've I've and I've been workingwith my kids with this lot,
because they live in a worldwhere a comment, since their
social life is like so they'reprobably see comments like that
all the time, yeah and I and andI imagine if you get a bunch of
(35:51):
like it can, it can tell you.
But, like you know, what youcreate as an individual, as an
artist, is not you.
It's a lump of concrete andsteel or a lump of clay, or it's
a painting.
It's just a bunch of paint on acanvas.
It's not you.
Yeah, you know what it like.
It could be destroyedcompletely and you'd be fine,
(36:12):
you know, um?
Or vice versa, you could bedestroyed completely and it
would just go on and then beforgotten, right.
So it's not you, it has nothingto do with you.
You might have made it, butonce you make it, you've got to
be able to step back from itcompletely and try to be as
completely objective andseparate yourself from your art.
And I try to do that with mystudents as much as I can, and I
still, like I say, still try todo it with myself as much as I
(36:34):
can, but it's still hard.
You know, absolutely.
You know, because you care,like anybody.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Right, so what's next for Duke?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Aaron Lewis man.
Yeah, I got a funny story aboutsomething.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
You got a whole shit, man, I don't even know.
You got a whole slew of showsset up.
I got a bunch of shows comingup.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'll be down in Texas this summer.
I'll be out in Nebraska.
I'll be in Iowa this Saturday,but I'll be in Iowa again or
Iowa City in July.
I'm going to be in Chicago.
I'll be in Iowa City in July.
I'll be out of Chicago.
In the fall I'll be all overthe place.
I'm touring the Midwest prettygood Iowa, illinois, missouri.
(37:18):
I'm waiting to hear back.
I'll probably have a show inColorado, I believe.
So I'm touring around and doingwhat I can, trying to play as
much as I can.
I got some new music that'sgoing to come out.
I go to the studio next month.
Um, I just got back with mybuddy who's.
I have a friend of mine who's,uh, who produces a bunch of my
stuff, um and uh, he and I justfor last week we were working on
(37:38):
a bunch of new songs and um, um, and I write them and I go, I
get there and we work them outand, um, we can think about
arrangements and who we need tobe, who, what kind of musicians
we need to be there.
So I'm really excited aboutthat, like about releasing new
music.
I did.
I love the whole writing stuff,recording stuff and putting
(37:59):
stuff out Like I love that morethan touring.
It's so much, it's so much fun,you know, because when you get
something cool, it's just soworking on that, you know, and
just keep grinding away andliving life Got the river.
You know I'm going to be on thedo some boat and stuff this
summer and maybe play a littlegolf and try to live, try to do
(38:20):
the thing.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yep, got me the golf cart this year.
Oh yeah, got me the membership,so yeah.
So now that it's all paid for,I just hop on it and go when I
can.
But between dance and archeryand um t-ball, I know the kids,
that's one thing I'm lucky aboutwith the kids, you know yeah, I
shouldn't say lucky I.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know having kids would be an amazing thing, but I
just don't have any kids, rightright, and that's you know.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think we come to a time where that's perfectly fine
.
No, you know.
Yeah, you and your wife arehappy.
Your wife is a freaking awesomechick.
Yeah, she's, you know.
She deals with you, that'sright.
She lets me do what I wantnormally.
And what's this?
I hear more jujitsu is going onnowadays.
I heard from a little birdiethat you've been rolling around
a little bit more I've been Ican like.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Actually last week I didn't get a role last week and
uh, and I'll be there this week,but, um, I love jujitsu, oh
shit, that's a funny story Iforgot to bring up on the last
podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
But, um, I was talking to you a little bit on
facebook before we did the firstpodcast.
We're still out at mactownquite a bit working out and you
had agreed to do the podcast, sowe're just talking on messenger
.
Well, you want to talk about?
Let's talk about this, okay?
Blah, blah, blah.
And then I think I had hadseveral beers one night and I
(39:41):
was looking up like your musicor something on youtube, just to
you know kind of see whatyou're all about, everything
else.
And then I roll up on this mmafight, oh, and like I was like
dude, no way you freaking foughtmma.
And then your wife pops up, islike this is actually his wife's
uh messenger and yes, he did it.
Fight mma.
For a while I was like oh, shit, yeah, that probably looks
(40:03):
really weird me messaging dude'swife at like midnight why did
you know?
about that yeah, yeah, it wassuper awkward.
I was like, she was just likeshe probably loved it.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
She's like what's going on?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
it was funny as hell.
But yeah, because you we talkedabout that In the first podcast
you did a lot of wrestling andstuff in college and I'm sure
that that side of you you stillI love it man you still get to
touch that side of you Rolling alittle bit.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You know, I hurt my back A couple years ago, yeah,
and like, actually, but Ishouldn't say A couple years ago
, about a year ago and I heardit, um, you know okay.
So, um, I was working out ofthe gym.
You know, regularly I lovegoing to the gym, like, I work
out all the time, you know, like, or I say all the time, I am a
regular, I'm disciplined interms of my body and, um, I went
(40:56):
to the gym and I'm, you know, Iwas benching, you know, 300
pounds, no problem, I'm, youknow, I'm, I'm feeling in good
shape and I go to pull the dockout at the river because duck
season's coming and the dock, wehad it, we were, we were just
moving stuff around.
So I'm pulling this dock outand the dock ramps real heavy
and I kind of just reached downand I moved it this size, like
(41:18):
this damn thing, and no one elsewas like I'll move that thing
and I whipped it over and thenI'm cleaning up and getting
ready and by the time I'm goinghome like man, my back is
killing me and I got home andthe next morning I could go to
work.
I got up and I couldn't stand.
I couldn't stand up for longerthan probably 10 minutes and I
(41:39):
would have to lay down on myback and I I found it hurt.
Bad enough that I'm you know, Imean I go to the doctor for
time and time, but I had to, Ihad to go to the doctor.
I was like I think I've, like,maybe done something yeah well,
I wasn't sure and then so theydid an x-ray and they found out
that I have uh was called Iguess like 10 of the population
(42:00):
might have it or something likethat but it's called spina
bifida occulta, which is wherethe bottom two of my vertebrae
there's like a.
They didn't form completely, soit was a bunch of muscle on
like a bunch of nerves downthere.
Well, I just like throttledthose muscles and they were in
bad shape and they were allswollen and stuff and dude.
(42:21):
It was just pinching my thenerves, my back.
I mean it was just terrible.
I had to lay flat away so andthen I could not get back in
shape, like after it took abouttwo months, or it took about two
months where I could really getback in the gym and start
trying to go kind of crazythough, like all the crazy
workouts, all the jujitsu, allthe you know, throwing stuff
(42:42):
around and like pulling a dockout is what?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
what lays you up?
I?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
know right.
Well, I just couldn't get backat it.
I could not get back to where Ifelt like confident stuff.
And then I went to jujitsu.
I was like man, I'm gonna trythis, just just to do something
different.
And it was like magic, likebecause you know, because you're
laying on your back and you'relike stretching all these.
I was like man, I'm going totry this just to do something
different.
And it was like magic, likebecause you know, because you're
laying on your back and you'relike stretching all these
different ways and reaching andpulling and pushing in all of
(43:08):
this different like degrees ofmotion.
Like you know you do a squat.
Well, it's a straight up anddown.
You know you do this.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's a straight up and down.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
And everything that the you know.
A lot of lateral movement.
It got my in my back feel itfixed my back like I'm stronger
now than I've been where'd you?
Where'd you do that?
At what the jiu-jitsu?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
yeah, oh, at, at the shed, at the shed.
Yeah, I've had michael on.
Yeah, he was actually a sponsorfor the shows.
Michael's the real deal buddy.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Michael's good people right right and the thing is
like I'm good at jiu-jitsu.
I've been good at it for a longtime, you know, I fought it
like I did fight mma, but Ididn't really get into jujitsu,
like I just wanted to go inthere, bro.
Yeah, man.
Well, I don't want to go inthere and brawl like I want to
like dude.
It's like it's a workout, butit's also like playing chess,
you know you're in there andyou're like and you're working
(43:55):
with your friends, I mean, youwant to like it's literally.
You're like, hey, let's gopractice murder with our buddies
tonight.
And we go in there and wepractice and like someone's like
hey, I found this new way tokill somebody.
And you're like, oh, let meshow it.
And then you were, oh, okay,cool.
And then like, oh, hey, we,here's how you can rip a guy's
arm off.
You're like, oh, hey, cool.
I mean it's nothing likelegitimate, like that, right,
(44:16):
we're like talking like that,but it's, you know, it's a, it's
something we really we drill alot.
Then we do some live wrestlingand I love live wrestling and
live grappling grappling it'sthe best it's it's been.
It's been my life a lot better.
I can't wait to.
I'm bummed.
I didn't get to go last week.
I usually get him in there, youknow, two, two or three times a
(44:36):
week, but I didn't you knowthat and I remember you ever
used.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I was going to say do you ever use the trick where,
like, you're almost ready to tapand then you turn and scratch
your beard on somebody?
I'd be using that as a weapon.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
The thing is I only do no-gi jiu-jitsu.
Those guys, like the other guys, do gi, but I don't do gi
because every time they try tograb my lapel, they grab my
beard.
Oh and um, uh, like this, Idon't want.
I love my beard, you know, likeI don't want to, I don't want
to mess it up man.
So, yeah, I don't do a lot ofstuff, but she's just, she's
great, michael's great.
That gym is great.
(45:10):
You know I love going.
There's the best gym in macomb,no doubt.
I mean, there's there, you know, that's.
You know, if you want to learnhow to defend yourself and how
to be, how to understand whatit's like To have someone really
trying to Force their will onyou, go to the shed.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
And then, once you're humbled, it's not like that.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
It's not like go there and get beat up.
It's go there and see whatindividuals Can do when they
know what they're doing, andlearn how to do it you know,
learn how you know, learn how tofend, fight people off, learn
how to um, I mean the whole, allthe world, the problem, the
(45:55):
world's problems that you have.
Like they kind of go away whensomeone's trying to choke you
out, yeah, or like twist yourarm.
You're not thinking about itand it's like man, everyone's so
always thinking about all this.
You know extra stuff in theirbrains, you know.
But yeah, yeah, you know.
So it's so good for you, I loveit, I recommend it to everybody
.
Everybody go do it.
(46:15):
Yeah, everybody go do it whereyou're.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
You've do it.
Where are you at?
You've talked about Instagram.
You talked about Facebook.
You got YouTube.
Going on, you got a TikTok.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, I got all the social stuff.
If you just find me, you go tomy website dukehourslercom and
you can find all my socials andmy tour schedule.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Okay, yeah, that's probably easier.
You can email me, reach out tome.
You almost forget that peoplehave websites anymore, you know,
just because of social media.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, it's all Duke Hours, or on Facebook Duke Hours
, or on TikTok Duke Hours, or onInstagram, all that kind of
stuff.
It's all the same Twitter, allthe same stuff.
You know my Twitter is.
I have an obsession with the StLouis Battle Hawks.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, I've noticed.
I'm huge into that.
I've been trying Like VetTix,where I get Some of my tickets
to go to shows and stuff.
Oh really, I can get on thereand there's Battle Hawks tickets
.
Oh dude.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So I've been feeding the go, but I haven't.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well we're.
We'll talk about that Sidebar,okay, because I've been trying
to get my brother and stuff togo, but nobody wants to go to St
Louis for a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
So much fun 30,000 people in there just having a
blast Cheering on thereplacements you know.
Well, dude, AJ McCarron's ourquarterback.
He's a bad boy.
We have the best receiver inthe league, a guy named Hakeem
Butler who's from Iowa State.
He is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Six foot six, Just fast, strong, I mean you're
always decked out in your bluewith your big gold chain.
Dude, I love it.
Duddy, I can't help.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Is it a decent tailgating atmosphere down there
too?
Dude like.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I say the first game we went to, there was 40,000
people in the stadium.
At the tailgate I don't know,the tailgate had to be probably
30,000.
Where we were at in thatparking lot Just cars everywhere
.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
St Louis misses football, they do.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They do.
They do.
It's great man.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I love it.
There's still a lot of peoplein the area cussing Stan Kroenke
.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Oh dude, they've got these shirts, these battle hawk
shirts that literally cuss StanKroenke.
That's it, picture him.
And it's like F Stan Kroenke,little kids wearing him and
stuff.
It's no joke.
St Louis football town, that'sgreat We'll make that happen for
sure.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh yeah, you got happen for sure.
Oh yeah, you gotta go.
If you get a chance, gonna go,all right.
Well, thanks for coming onagain, dude.
This has been.
This has been a good uh, longoverdue, I'm so.
I'm sorry it took me so long,I'm just as bad dude because
you're like, let's be.
You know, no, I can't.
My kids got something usually,but you know that's life man no,
no, no I'm I'm happy to seekind of I mean you were.
You were right there at ourfirst podcast, like your stuff
(48:58):
was starting to take off, andthen, with the singles and then
the album, it was just now.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
You're playing somewhere every freaking weekend
, yeah yeah, I'm trying to stayconsistent, like you, man.
What are you at?
You said 98 episodes.
We'll be at almost 90, I think,by the time this one comes out,
that's the thing, man, it'sthat consistency, and keep going
, I love it, I and keep going,and I love it.
I like making stuff.
I'm just going to keep doing itand there ain't nothing else to
do.
(49:22):
You know, not really I couldeither do that or scroll on my
phone, and I would much rathermake stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Workout Do jujitsu Drink beer.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, workout, write music, workout, do jujitsu.
Go to the river, drink beer.
Go to the river hunt ducks.
Shoot big animals Hunt animals,shoot small animals Live life.
Listen, we're all cavemen atthe end of this thing.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Midwest cavemen.
Midwest cavemen that's dangright.
Cool man, that's right.
Awesome.
I appreciate it.
We'll get your stuff posted andgo from there.
Thank you, brother.
All right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
She's the queen of the valley and she's wearing me
down Been a hundred hard yearsand I'm ready to drown.
Need a 50-gallon drum and somegasoline.
Oh, that cold, muddy water bethe death of me.
And I know that's the way I'llgo.
Yeah, I know that's the wayI'll go.
Yeah, I know that's the wayI'll go.
(50:23):
Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woowoo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo
woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woo wooWoo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woo
woo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woowoo woo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo
(50:46):
Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woowoo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo
Woo-woo-woo-woo.
So I waste my life pushing mud,sick and black like devil's
blood Carried down here by thewater.
Pushing blood, sick and blacklike the devil's blood, carried
down here by the water.
I got hooked on a drink in 93.
The same damn year she tried toswallow me.
She breached the levee withincredible ease.
Oh, she broke my arm, broughtme to my knees and I know that's
the way I roll.
Yeah, I know that's the way I'mgoing.
(00:30):
So I waste my life pushing mudThick and black like the devil's
blood Carried down here by thewater, so deep that cold, dirty
bits will be the death of me,and I know that's the way I'll
go.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No man, it's been crazy.
You're good, you growing alittle bit, a little bit, yeah,
a little bit at a time.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, that's how it is, dude, that's how I grow too.
It's just a little bit at atime I do one thing thing.
Maybe something like one littledeal will take off a little bit
, and then you know then, thenit's nothing for a while yeah
and a little something, and thenit's nothing.
I'm waiting for the bigsomething to happen someday, but
yeah, it may never.
I might do little somethingsfor the next four or five years
(01:18):
that's just how we're wired,dude instant gratification.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We want it now.
Oh, but you got to pay yourdues and do the little things
along the way.
And yeah, from shit, what wasit?
I was just looking at thisearlier.
I was just telling corby when Italked to him the other day
that he was episode number threeof the Dial the Wild podcast
(01:44):
and now he's episode 89.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, dude, and that's the consistency thing is
the main thing Most people don'teven get past episode two.
So what?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
was I April 5th of 2021, you were episode number
nine.
Ah dang, you'll be at like 90.
Sweet, it's been cool goingback around and seeing where
everybody's at like three yearslater, because obviously I can't
believe it's been three yearsyou know, I bought a house and
stuff and, like the house I wasrenting, corby, come over, we're
(02:16):
just down in the basement.
You know bs and about crossfit,he was still at his shop over
at Over by Diggers and like nowhe's expanded and oh yeah.
Blown up and done his thing andlike you're probably At least
three or four times as busy asyou used to be doing the music
thing, yeah, like you put outanother album.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I put an album out In January.
I got.
I've been crazy busy.
I'm trying to think three yearsago I put an album out in
January.
I've been crazy busy.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm trying to think three years ago we were kind of
just coming out of COVID.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It was early 2021.
Because it was all messed upafter COVID.
Because all, all the tour, allthe touring, oh, all the touring
was um, um, was, was, was allshut down and um, I was in the
studio.
I did some recording.
I can't remember like I think Imight.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Uh, bootstraps was probably just about to get
released yeah, it was like itcame out like two weeks after
our podcast okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, a lot has changed since that song.
Yeah, that song came out and,um, you know, um, it didn't do
much for a while.
You know, I was trying tofigure out how to promote it.
I didn't know how.
I mean, I couldn't really tour,so I couldn't really go out and
like play anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So um, yeah, your instagram and stuff.
You really got active on that.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, I was like you know, that's kind of the only
thing way I could do it.
And then I was waiting for,like Spotify and the other like
music algorithms to try to takeoff.
Um but the uh, but the musicalgorithms didn't really like
well, it was, it just takes time.
What they're doing is likethey're looking at you know
they're crawling the web.
They're doing is like they'relooking at you know they're
crawling the web, they'recrawling social media and be
(04:05):
like, well, what are peopleengaging with?
Who are people engaging with?
Right?
And then, okay, and they'reusing this song to do what you
know.
And then tiktok.
I had a tiktok I made.
I remember I made I remember Iwas playing a show.
It was in the summertime andI've been posted on tiktok.
I was like, okay, I'm gonna,I'm gonna discipline, I'm going
to post a video on Tik TOK, likelike once a day.
(04:26):
You know, like it doesn't haveto be anything, it just be some
simple reminding people you'reout there.
Yeah, just doing something, hey,what's up, you know, and, and,
um, then all of a sudden, like,uh, I posted a video where I was
.
I was, I had a show that nightand I posted a video of me lip
syncing bootstraps into thephone or something, driving my
(04:49):
car.
And I got to the show, I soundchecked, I put my phone in my
bag and I got back to my phone.
There was like 200 alerts.
I was like what is going on?
And I opened it up and Ithought, holy shit, huh,
something happened like thisvideo for some, some reason,
took off, why I don't even know.
(05:11):
And then, um, uh, you know, andit got a few thousand views, um
, but then I was able to look atmy spotify and people were
going from tiktok to my spotifyand then like, and, and I was,
my spotify was growing.
All of a sudden the streams onthat song, like you know, went
from 10 you know, a, you know to, or like, I will use a 10, 5 to
(05:34):
10 a day to hundreds a day, youknow.
and then that's thousands a day,yeah, you know, and now it's
over.
You know between now between umspotify and apple music, and
now it's over.
You know between now between umspotify and apple music and
stuff it's over.
You know 400 000 streams, youknow so, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I remember one, one of the tiktoks.
You're actually explainingwhat's the song where you're on
the river and you did the videoand everything it's called yeah,
push them light.
That's what it was about andlike you're on there and you're
like pointing at a screen behindyou.
It's like this is what it means.
It's like when the water tableis, this is like you're getting
all scientific.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well, I should probably, I you know.
And then the other thing I foundthat was so funny Sometimes,
sometimes the uh, uh, I'll repost.
I repost videos from time totime, like you know, like a
month, like if something workedgood one month, I might repost
it again, but I'm always tryingto create new content.
(06:33):
But what I really realize islike this is how you grow your
audience or how you try to reachpeople, is it's all through
that stuff?
I have a hard time withinstagram and facebook.
Is there this?
Here's something crazy.
So I got this song called outright now, called wah pity,
which is on my new record thatcame out in January.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
What's the?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
name of the record.
The name of the record is heShot More Than Birds, that's
right, okay, it's called he ShotMore Than Birds and there's 10
songs on it and all of them arekind of different.
There's some rock songs there's.
You know, there's a lot,there's a lot on there, but we
(07:13):
can go through that a little bit.
But anyway, there's a song onthere called what pity, and what
pity is um, shawn e, uh, forelk, okay, and it's about elk
hunt.
The whole, the whole thing is astory about elk hunt.
Well, I was like trying tofigure out how am I going to
generate content with this?
You know I'm not out in themountains right now.
I can't like video, like allthe videos that I had been, you
know, taking to mountains.
I had already made some videosand stuff.
I'm trying to figure out how Ican uh get it going again.
And I, there was a, um, a shortclip of a bull elk on a golf
(07:37):
course and you know, of course,when, like bull elk, when bull
elk like in during the rut, theythey're like piss all over
themselves and they're likescrape and uh, you know, scratch
the ground and you know, andthen you know they're they're
tearing up the green.
Well, this elk is like standingon a like right in the fairway
and just shredding this fairwayand just he's in.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's in rut yeah, he's doing, he's straight
goating it up.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh dude, he's like come around, let's you know.
And I took wapiti with the veryfirst lyrics of that song are I
got drunk last night and I'mfeeling kind of shitty.
Early in the morning beenhunting Wapiti and that's it.
That's it.
And I shared it on Instagramand I didn't mean to it
(08:20):
cross-shared to Facebook and onFacebook it got 1.1 million
views.
Oh my gosh, and I was like whoaand so and that grew my
facebook really good, but itdidn't really drive people to my
music.
You know it.
Like people heard the song andit made funny because like half
the comments were like that'show I pee when I get drunk in
(08:41):
the morning, my wife yells at meyou know, like there was, you
know, 30 comments on there and Iwas.
It was fun because I was goingback and forth, so it was yeah,
no, you know, it's all, it's allgood, it's, it's all about that
really too, which is like it'sengagement, you know, like
trying right.
People want to engage withpeople and uh, yeah, so I don't
know that's what's been going onthe the um, but they, the
(09:02):
bootstraps, did really well it'sgrown.
Uh, my music, you know, both onspotify and apple, I'm, you
know, I'm just like so gratefulfor everybody that like listens
to it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, it's good stuff you know, I appreciate it yeah,
put a lot of work into it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, I mean like trying to you know.
Another thing about being acreative individual is like
trying to be aware, you know, uh, looking around, seeing who's
around you doing things.
You know, but I'm sure to you,you're aware of other podcasts
and you know, within the regionand within the area and, like
all that, I aspire to.
That.
I mean, like you know, no one'sgonna who's gonna be joe rogan,
(09:37):
but you know, like you know,you can aspire to have to to
catch people and be like, hey, Iwant to hear, to hear that
podcast, it's funny, he has goodguests on it, and like it's
clever or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you know, and I'm trying todo that too with music, trying
to I identify a bunch of folksyou know within the region that
I think are great.
And then from there it saysthat I made a list.
(09:59):
This is crazy.
This is crazy.
I made a list of a hundredpeople that I kind of want to,
that I want to work with, andit's either play a show with
them or whatever, any kind ofway.
I just want to make thatconnection.
Sure, I'm checking it off.
I've got some of them checkedout.
I got a long way to go, but youknow I'm working at it.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, so I would say that please tell me aaron lewis
is on this list aaron lewis ison the list.
Okay, you know because that'swhen I think of the kind of
music you're doing and becauseyou listen to aaron's stuff,
it's all like true to him andhow he grew up in his life and
his experiences, which I love,the stain stuff, but you can get
more of the personality out ofit, sure, sure, and like you're
(10:38):
talking about being on the river, you're talking about bull elk
pissing, you're talking aboutworking getting a ged.
You're talking about workinggetting a GED.
Blah, blah, blah.
You know it's all real lifestuff.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't know People really connect with that.
When you know, it's just likeoh yeah.
I know what that dude's talkingabout.
I deal with that shit all thetime.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, you know, it's kind of weird to like think
about.
Like you know you got all ourfriends and like these people
that we deal with and sayingthings direct.
You know it pisses me off.
You know, I mean I'm going to.
You know I have an education.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, and I actually have a pretty dang good
education now, we went throughthat on the first podcast, but
check that out.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But you know, like I wasn't the smartest kid, my dad
and actually that whole firstpart of that lyric from
bootstraps is like about my dadRight, like you know, I had a
full-time job since the age of16, working really hard.
I got my GED uh, non, moneydon't grow on trees I got a
double wide trailer and somemouths to feed and I was like
you know, like the experiencethat I grew up with, my dad
(11:42):
worked his ass off.
My mom did her thing, you know,and um, you know she worked too
and but it was, it was a grind,you know, and um, I, I, you
know a lot of the elite people Irun around with.
I hate the, the condescension Iget from elite folks about, um,
you know, the I'm a, I'm aredneck.
(12:04):
I've got a bunch of redneckfriends and you know I'm not,
you know I'm not the kind ofredneck you talk shit about
their friends to you know, likeI'm proud.
I mean like, look, you know.
I mean you know, look at itright now, Guess what
everybody's trying to get jobsdoing, Guess what the highest
paying yeah, you go out there.
Trades, yeah, Be a tradesvocations.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And this is coming from a college professor.
Folks there you go.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, I mean, there's good things about college,
stuff too.
I mean like college can begreat, you can find yourself and
you can do some things.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
There's a lot of avenues where I mean you've got
to have college.
But if you don't have much andyou're just trying to figure
things out.
Make some dollars and thenfigure it out.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, I went to college for three years and
wrestled and then dropped outand I was out for three years
playing rock and roll andbouncing around before I went
back and was like, oh okay, Iunderstand who I am and what's
going on and what I can do, andI kind of figured out a process
about how to be good at whateverI guess good at whatever I'm
(13:01):
doing.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, Well, you got to pay the bills.
That's the thing is.
You got mouths to feed and yougot.
You got responsibilities.
And playing music's fun, doingpodcasts are fun, but well, but
this is the stuff you're workingfor right.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know like I mean, you know this is if you're
working for I, you know I I loveyour pockets.
I think it's super cool.
I mean it's cool that there'ssomeone here doing it here in
the middle of Midwest.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Who talks about middle class stuff in the
Midwest dude, you know you'llbet your guy does, but you know
he pokes fun at it and I thinkit's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, there's a lot of things, too, to poke fun at
about being a redneck.
You know I mean I see it bothas a virtue and a um, you know a
slant.
You know what I mean.
Like look, you know I'm nottrying to be.
You know some toothless redneckout there like just ignorant to
be ignorant.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, you know what I mean.
There's a fine line like sayingthat you're a redneck.
To humble yourself is a lotdifferent than saying that
you're a redneck that gives youan excuse to go out and just be
a dipshit.
Yeah, exactly is is what comesto mind when you know I, yeah, I
would say I'm, you know I'mblue collar and I I would I tell
(14:16):
everybody I'm a closet hickwhat I do because, yeah, I'm
fairly educated and stuff too,but I still like to hunt, I
still like to drink, I stilllike to hunt, I still like to
drink, I still like to fish,yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, we're still.
We're still cavemen at the endof the day.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
We're still just very primal,yeah, very primal, you know.
You know I, it would, would,would bothers me too about.
Like, okay, mark Twain, thatguy was ruling, yeah, I mean,
that guy would.
Like that guy was alive today,people would think that he is a
(14:50):
terrible individual.
He was one of the mostthoughtful men on the planet.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Like you know, to be able towrite and to think and to do,
this philosophy that was like,like I love the kind of like the
Hills philosophy.
Like you know, these guys whocan go out into a cabin and,
like you know, get away from thepeople, I mean it's almost like
(15:13):
the American or Western versionof, like a monk.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, or a teenager putting their phone down for
five minutes.
There you go, right, right.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, I like going out to the you know, absolutely
Going out, putting their phonedown for five minutes.
There you go right.
Well, I like going out to theyou know absolutely going out
into the mountains and going toelk hunt and sitting up there by
yourself you know, we sawmountain lion by yourself in the
mountains.
You're like you start to thinkfor a minute.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well, yeah, who would win that fight?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
right when who'd win that fight?
And also, too, who'd probablyreally care if I lost the fight,
and and who would care if helost the fight.
And then all of a sudden, theworld and stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You can begin looking at it, it gets smaller man.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It gets smaller and we're all asking the same big
questions.
It doesn't matter Absolutely.
And some of these elite people,they aren't asking any good
questions.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, in a lot of it, profit margin loss, uh status.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The the top line is the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, so that's it.
I don't I.
I, I would like to think thatif I took a different vocation
or a different job or somethingand hustled at it, I could
probably make six figures, butI'd be absolutely miserable.
Oh, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Well, and you're not going to take any of it when you
go.
No, you know no, it's staying.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, my kids will get it, I guess I guess yeah,
but then you know, I'm sure theywould rather have their dad,
though, than an inheritance ofwell, 100.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
They would rather have their dad.
They'd be better off with theirdad because, like, what's the
main thing right now?
We ain't got enough.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We, we don't have enough dads to you know you know
how do you say that lightly.
But I mean just the fatherfigure in the home is definitely
taking a toll on this country.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, we, you know, having father like I had an
amazing dad, like you know, anduh, I mean.
Well, the thing was he was notwithout his flaws either.
You know he was like he had abunch of problems, you know.
But you know I'll say that hewasn't a drinker or anything
like that, but you know he dealtwith some serious depression in
his life, sure, and that Iexperienced, you know, which was
(17:17):
terrible, which was tough, butalso, at the same time, man.
He was like, always like he,encouraging me and then like
checking me when I was likegetting, you know, too big for
my britches, and you know he washe was.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
He was.
He was great that and you knowI wish everybody could have it.
You know I had a great dad.
I'm lucky that I had a dad thatway.
There's so many people thatjust.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's a different generation, a different work
ethic too.
I like don't get me wrong, Idon't mind working and earning
my keep, but there are guys likemy dad who work all day long
and then they'll go home andthey'll work the rest of the
damn night.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, I got a movie.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, I got to put rock here.
Well, I got a wire.
I got to go help your sisterwith her drywall.
It's like dude, where do youget the energy?
You're almost 60 years old.
Tone it down a notch, scotty.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, it's definitely different, but what's, what's
up with this new album?
Let's talk about that.
Well, so.
We started talking about that Alittle bit ago and I like how
diverse you are With, like, thedifferent Influences of music.
That's in that you said rock, alittle blues, a little country.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, um, yeah, there's a lot of different stuff
, but mainly, I mean it's it's acountry record.
That's the way I think about it.
Um, you know, people argueabout genre, but whatever, um,
there's some rock influence inthere too.
Um, and uh, it consists of mysong bootstraps.
That is actually on there.
Um, there were some songsbecause of covid and how we were
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recording everything and how wecould get together.
I had some of these songswritten a few years, or a couple
of them written a few yearsback that I was going to release
the singles, but it didn't workout Cause it was like trying to
get into the dang studio and doeverything.
It was a was a pain in the butt, but yeah, so he shot more than
birds is a.
There's a, the title track orthe non-title track, but the
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title track or the non-titletrack, but the main track on
there is a song called WestKansas Plains, which is a story
about my hometown.
It's not a real story, it's afictional story, but it's about
a barrel racer and it'sbasically a kind of Western
murder ballad.
It's not really a ballad, butit's a murder song and you know
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it's about.
You know you go home and youfall in love with your lady,
right, you know.
And then she steps out withsome, you know, slick-tongued
cowboy, yeah, and they meettheir demise and then you're on
the run, you know.
So that's kind of the gist ofthe story.
That's where the term.
He shot more than birds, youknow, because I grew up like
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when I grew up as a kid.
I grew up like when I grew up asa kid.
I grew up pheasant hunting like100 pheasants all the time.
After school my buddies and Iwould go out and this back in
the 90s where I could.
I still had a gun in my truckwhen I went to school, because
we go after go walk the ditchesin the evening.
Um so um, but uh, that's kindof the the one of the main
tracks on there.
There's, um, some blue collarstuff on there.
There's bootstraps.
There's song called the Mill,which is a story that's based on
some kind of true events.
Some people near me had somereal sad times with some drugs
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here in the Midwest and the Millis kind of about a family who
falls victim to that.
It's a very common story aroundhere.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Very, very real in this area as far as what we're
fighting with meth and fentanyland no one.
Yeah, I mean it's a it's anissue, and that takes us back to
the, the fatherless homes, andI had a friend a broken world
that we live in at times I had afriend of mine, the her son.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You know it is a father of a situation and you
know I mean he VOD'd like a fewtimes before he turned 17.
Shame Chris.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And he's okay.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Now you know he's been clean, he's doing great, so
I'm happy.
You know, I'm super happy aboutthat.
But then also there's songsabout the river on there.
There's a song about a guy, afriend of mine.
I read a lot about people thatI know and the stories are very
similar to theirs.
They're not exactly.
You got to have a little bit ofartist's license Protect the
innocent?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, it's not.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
you got to make sure you got to make shit rhyme and
stories work.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's not always like uh doesn't always work perfect.
So, um, uh, the there's a songcalled alignment on there that's
been doing pretty well as well.
Yeah, a lot of people identifywith that yep, uh, my friend's
been.
My brother-in-law is a, anelectrician, my, uh, and he does
works on the on the linemanside.
Uh, my uh.
We got other couple other goodbuddies who are lineman, um, and
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you know, when storms come andjust like they did in omaha, you
know, and uh, there's, you knowyears ago there was some bunch
of stuff going on in kentuckyand down in florida and in
chicago even know, and they goout on storms and the story is
about him leaving his newborndaughter to go on storm for, you
know, weeks on end, you know,and then come back and then go
back again, you know, in anotherstorm.
(21:55):
You know it's like he'sconstantly.
You know, and you know I justrespect those guys the hell out
of people like that, you know,who do those that stuff and
they're worth being celebrated,because it's a virtue to have
men that are badasses and go outthere and brave it and do it,
whether they like it or not.
There's a lot of songs in thisrecord too, about my dad.
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There's a song called Promise.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Land, and he had passed not long after our last
podcast too.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you gave him a lot of props, as you know,
taking you on the oil rigs andyou would make sculptures and
stuff yeah which which, uh, youknow, really really kind of lack
of a better term molded kind ofthe person you are now, you
know, because, uh, you know,just making the, the sweet bust
in town and, oh yeah, and beingable to, you know, influence
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different, different parts oftown, and it just amazes me that
that we still live in a placewhere you can go somewhere and
get us like a sculpture degree.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You know, yeah yeah, well, you know I think that's
crazy, but I think it's cool ashell too.
Yeah, I mean, well, I well, Imean, I'll tell you.
I mean we need art.
You know all this stuff.
Well, I get that.
It's the second I'll.
I'll finish about my dad realquick.
He, he, there's a song on thisrecord and I did.
I lost my dad a few years agoand he, obviously, we were very
(23:30):
like, literally weeks after hepassed, like I, I was having
these like extremely vividdreams, like um, and I'd wake up
and like it was like I was justtalking to him, and in this I'm
talking like four, five, sixnights in a row, these like and
I could, and I and I honestlywas kind of getting to the point
, like man, I wonder if theseare gonna stop.
You know, like I, you know,because they were, you know, I
was waking up in a conversationwith them, you know, and the
(23:50):
conversations were alwaysdifferent, and so that I have
this song it's called a promisedland and basically it's a bunch
of advice that my dad kind ofgave me in dreams, like the dang
song wrote itself like and it'sfun when they just happen yeah,
yeah yeah, I'm you know Ireally like that song means a
lot that's a good thing aboutmusic, man, is it's a therapy.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
At times, you know it can be how you, how you get it
off your chest and how youpresented other people, and then
when other people hear that andthey go through the similar,
similar things in their lives,it's just like you know you
really connect with those folks.
Yeah, that's what I always toldpeople when I do.
Music is like, if there's oneperson out there that relates to
what I'm writing about is like,then I'm good.
(24:32):
Yeah, it'd be cool to play infront of thousands of people and
it is cool I haven't played infront of thousands.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You've had some good, I've had some big crowds, but I
had, you know, I maybe I'vebeen in front of a thousand, you
know, but I've been in front ofhundreds, multiple, multiple
times and um, but I'll tell youwhat boy it is, you know.
You know it's like heroin, butyeah, yeah and when people are
vibing with and you're havingfun, they're like this is like
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what we are meant to do,absolutely.
It has this kind of dianice,dionysian, like you know, party
vibe and people are just like Ilove these songs.
You're singing about somethingI relate to and they're singing,
and then the best part is thereare some times where they start
singing.
Well, they know it, someonewill be there that I don't know
(25:20):
and they'll start singing thewords back.
I went to the show up inChicagoago and I've played there
quite a bit, but I haven'tplayed this bar in a while, or
this.
There's a music hall.
I didn't play it in a while and, uh, this guy had heard that
lyman song and he came out.
He's like I'm a lime.
I heard this song and I lookedyou up.
I saw you're playing here, dude, and they're singing the damn
words back to me.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Nice, and I'm like dude, that is, that's cool,
that's really cool, that'sreally cool going back to your,
your comment earlier is like wewe need music and we need the
arts because you pound.
You pound mathematics into akid's head.
They might get it they'll sureyeah, but you get that kid
counting off time signatures orusing that math for industrial
(26:04):
arts, or they're using theirEnglish grammar skills to write
a new song or something they'reactually applying that.
That's what we're losing whenwe're cutting these school
programs, and we can go on thattangent forever.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Well, I would say this here's, I think, one of the
misconceptions about art andabout teaching good art.
This is my opinion and I thinkit holds pretty good is my
opinion and you know, I think itholds pretty good.
It's, you know, art is aproblem, a critical thinking,
problem solving method, and youknow, you think about it, okay,
(26:35):
you know.
So you mentioned that bust oflincoln that I did over there,
right?
Okay, how do you make a giantconcrete, lincoln?
Well, you got to figure it out.
And so what do you?
What do you do?
Well, you get, you know, youfind an old robot arm and you
build a 3d concrete printer andthen you design the, the, the
file, and then you test concreteout, you find out how much it
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can, how wet it needs to be,what kind of concrete needs to
be, how it will slump and how itwill stiffen.
And then you figure out, whenyou print it, how thick it can
go, so will slump, and how itwill stiffen.
And then you figure out, whenyou print it, how thick it can
go, so you can slice the modelup enough.
I mean, you, you know, you, you, you find a way to build an
extruder to extrude the concretethat attaches to the robot arm.
You gotta you know you just soit's a problem solving.
Now, that's a complex issue,that that that I'm dealing with,
(27:21):
right, however, music is thesame thing.
It's a problem method.
I'm trying to get from point Ato point B.
Tell a story, make sure I geteverything in there.
That's important.
Make it entertaining.
But also, yeah, make itentertaining, give it a hug,
make it land, you know, make itauthentic.
So it's not like bells andwhistles.
(27:41):
It's saying something real, youknow, and the good artists say
something real.
The good, whether it's visualart or you know, or, or music.
It's a problem solving thing andit's all about critical
thinking and like with mystudents man, all I do is like
try to drive that home, like,listen, what's your process?
You got to identify yourprocess.
You're making stuff, but youdon't even know why you're
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making it.
You just you're just making itbecause that's how you can make
things, and then you eventuallygo you say, oh, I'm making this
because I'm really good at thistype of thing, or this motion
seems natural, you know.
Just like hitting a baseball,like you know.
Sometimes, like you, you getreally good at hitting the
fastball.
You know, and you got to learnhow to hit the curveball.
You might be the greatestfastball hitter in the world.
(28:23):
But you got to be critical anddiscern a curve ball where you
slider your calculated risk.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
going to take them.
Yes, if you screw it up.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How are you going to go back and try it again?
And what's going?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
on in the game, you know, is there a runner on?
Do you want to hit behind therunner?
Do you want to hit?
You know what do you want to doyour approach.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You can be late.
If you just got to pop it up tothe opposite field or just got
done with the archery kids overat the bow shop a little bit ago
and been helping this kid for awhile and you know it's.
It's.
It's kind of like smacking yourhead against the wall sometimes
, because you can tell them andyou can teach them so many times
, but until that light bulb goesoff, that and I'm not pounding
my chest or anything, I'm justsaying, once that light bulb
(29:07):
goes off and they accept thatI'm not going to be stubborn
about this anymore, yeah, yeah,like I'm tired of not being good
at this.
I'm actually going to applywhat I'm learning.
Once you see that light bulb gooff, dude, there's nothing
better yeah because then you seea kid that can't hit a paper
plate putting together a groupat 20 yards.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You know size, real tight, can yeah, you know that's
cool, that's super cool, youknow, you know, I uh, this guy I
heard this guy today and Ithink it's it's great was like
the difference between like abunch, like you know, artists
who and I say I use artists as aterm for a lot of things but
people who are doing a something, creative folks, creative folk,
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you know, uh, content creatorsat creative folk that they're
seeing the good, like someonewho's good and someone who's
successful and someone who'sgreat even, but someone who's
good and just someone who'ssuccessful oftentimes, uh, uh is
uh, is their ability to look atthe thing as a process, not a
(30:09):
finished product.
It's like, oh, you know, I'm anartist and here are the things
I've made.
No, no, no, I'm an artist andhere's how I do what I do.
Right, because you're lookingat what you do.
You know that is yeah, that'swhat.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And you alter it and you change it, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And you find what works.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yes, there is no destination.
I went through a thing not toolong ago where these guys sent
me some music and I was writing,you know, some lyrics and doing
some vocal work for it and likethe first two songs boom Like
concepts.
Easy, I can tell this story, Ican run with this.
And then I hit a writer's blocklike you wouldn't believe this.
(30:47):
And then I hit a writer's blocklike you wouldn't believe, and
I I got pissed because theseguys are sending me stuff.
It's really like what you'redoing, can you send some more?
I was like I'll try.
You know, I'm not gonna send itif I don't feel good about it
you know, so, and I'm justsitting downstairs with this pen
and this paper, just like damnit, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
and then are you just listening to like listening to
straight music that they'verecorded yeah, just Just the
music, and you're trying to comeup with the lyrics and stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, yeah, and I've got plenty of ideas.
It's just how do you roll withit, how do you lay it out?
And then I actually broke downand watched a YouTube video on
writer's block and it was.
It was more of a dude talkingabout, like novelist and stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And he said the first thing you got to do is look at
writer's block as the myth it is.
And people are just like, well,it's not a myth, because
obviously it's true.
It's like it's not true.
You just haven't primed theright part of your brain just
yet.
So you go through.
He's just like.
He's going through all thesedifferent steps and I'm like,
okay, I can see this.
I can see it because he'stalking about you've got to get
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rid of your distractions.
You know, put the phone down,yeah, quit.
You know, quit trying to tointerrupt yourself because you
know you're not getting anywhere.
But you've got to separate.
The biggest thing that stuck outto me was you've got to
separate the writing process,the rough draft for process,
from, like, the finished product.
(32:06):
Right, like if you're trying tomake it perfect the first time
around, like you are going to donothing but piss yourself off
for hours and hours and hours onend.
But if you just like, one ofthe songs I wrote was was a
intervention song.
It literally I broke down howthe psychologists say you're
supposed to do an interventionand I wrote a letter to a buddy
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and broke it down as to how thatwould go down in a meeting, you
know, and just tried to buildthe whole thing and I was just
like, how do I get this pointacross?
And then finally it's like justwrite the letter, dude, you can
figure out how to put it tomusic later.
Just write the damn letter,just write the letter, yeah.
So, yeah, you write the letter,you figure out how to put your
music.
Yeah, you don't make it perfect, and then you roll from there.
(32:50):
Yeah, you know you gotta likewhich.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
That's my process no, no, no, no.
It's the thing, like you know,like with my students, like we
were making these, uh, cardboardself-portraits and like
basically they're, they're andthey're realistic looking things
.
You know, um and uh.
You know I'm talking to themabout proportion and scale and
all these kinds of things.
But you know, what happens islike you do something and, as an
(33:13):
artist or a creative person,you're like, oh, you're making
this thing, and then you becomeinvested in it because, like,
you spend so much time on it,then you're like and then, and
then someone, and then you lookat it and you know, oftentimes
you know, sure, something'swrong.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yes, Something's up here and I don't know what it is
.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I don't quite know what it is.
And then someone tells you andyou're like, oh man, now I got
to go change it.
And then it's like I got it,but now I got it.
And there's this like voice orthis thing, where you're like,
you're like you know, justcompletely deflated because you
got to go and cut this thing off, this thing you just built.
start completely over you knownot even yeah, maybe you're only
(33:52):
starting 80, maybe you're onlystarting 50 over, but you still
got to go back, you know, andyou got to let that go.
You've got to learn to, or forme, that's the only way, and I
and the thing is like I've beendoing it for my entire career
and I still have it.
Yeah, I still am like tumbling,yeah, like man.
You know, I got to let it goand I got to go and make try to
(34:14):
fix this.
You know, fix this thing, cutthis thing off, make this thing
work.
You know, whatever I got to do,you know, just keep grinding
away at it and you know, takingconstructive criticism in the
process is huge too.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, we get too personally involved in it.
Oh, we get way too involved.
And then we say, no, this is myvision, this is what I want to
do.
And then you know, when someonewho genuinely cares about you
or loves you tells you that Ilove you, but this is crap, oh
yeah.
Yeah, you know, you got to beable to take that with a grain
of salt and and be like, okay,well, how do I make this better?
And it's like, well, theseparts are really good.
(34:50):
Yeah, this one not so much.
And then you go from there and,before you know it, I just made
a tiktok today, or dot?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I posted a facebook or instagram video today.
No, no, instagram.
Sorry, jeez, I'm not even knowwhat I'm posting on.
Uh, youtube, sure, and um, uh,you know that youtube is like
man, you want to get some shittycomments like these guys.
Holy shit, that was pure cringe.
Best probably leave that one onthe shelf, buddy, you know?
(35:20):
Like and um, there's people outthere who give you comments
like that.
Um, um, there's people thatlive for that, though, too.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
They just oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You know.
But the thing is like, thosecomments, like that I've really
I'm surprised.
I honestly thought that thekind of stuff would like bother
me over time, but it really I'vedone it.
I've I've and I've been workingwith my kids with this lot,
because they live in a worldwhere a comment, since their
social life is like so they'reprobably see comments like that
all the time, yeah and I and andI imagine if you get a bunch of
(35:51):
like it can, it can tell you.
But, like you know, what youcreate as an individual, as an
artist, is not you.
It's a lump of concrete andsteel or a lump of clay, or it's
a painting.
It's just a bunch of paint on acanvas.
It's not you.
Yeah, you know what it like.
It could be destroyedcompletely and you'd be fine,
(36:12):
you know, um?
Or vice versa, you could bedestroyed completely and it
would just go on and then beforgotten, right.
So it's not you, it has nothingto do with you.
You might have made it, butonce you make it, you've got to
be able to step back from itcompletely and try to be as
completely objective andseparate yourself from your art.
And I try to do that with mystudents as much as I can, and I
still, like I say, still try todo it with myself as much as I
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can, but it's still hard.
You know, absolutely.
You know, because you care,like anybody.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Right, so what's next for Duke?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Aaron Lewis man.
Yeah, I got a funny story aboutsomething.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
You got a whole shit, man, I don't even know.
You got a whole slew of showsset up.
I got a bunch of shows comingup.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'll be down in Texas this summer.
I'll be out in Nebraska.
I'll be in Iowa this Saturday,but I'll be in Iowa again or
Iowa City in July.
I'm going to be in Chicago.
I'll be in Iowa City in July.
I'll be out of Chicago.
In the fall I'll be all overthe place.
I'm touring the Midwest prettygood Iowa, illinois, missouri.
(37:18):
I'm waiting to hear back.
I'll probably have a show inColorado, I believe.
So I'm touring around and doingwhat I can, trying to play as
much as I can.
I got some new music that'sgoing to come out.
I go to the studio next month.
Um, I just got back with mybuddy who's.
I have a friend of mine who's,uh, who produces a bunch of my
stuff, um and uh, he and I justfor last week we were working on
(37:38):
a bunch of new songs and um, um, and I write them and I go, I
get there and we work them outand, um, we can think about
arrangements and who we need tobe, who, what kind of musicians
we need to be there.
So I'm really excited aboutthat, like about releasing new
music.
I did.
I love the whole writing stuff,recording stuff and putting
(37:59):
stuff out Like I love that morethan touring.
It's so much, it's so much fun,you know, because when you get
something cool, it's just soworking on that, you know, and
just keep grinding away andliving life Got the river.
You know I'm going to be on thedo some boat and stuff this
summer and maybe play a littlegolf and try to live, try to do
(38:20):
the thing.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yep, got me the golf cart this year.
Oh yeah, got me the membership,so yeah.
So now that it's all paid for,I just hop on it and go when I
can.
But between dance and archeryand um t-ball, I know the kids,
that's one thing I'm lucky aboutwith the kids, you know yeah, I
shouldn't say lucky I.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know having kids would be an amazing thing, but I
just don't have any kids, rightright, and that's you know.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think we come to a time where that's perfectly fine
.
No, you know.
Yeah, you and your wife arehappy.
Your wife is a freaking awesomechick.
Yeah, she's, you know.
She deals with you, that'sright.
She lets me do what I wantnormally.
And what's this?
I hear more jujitsu is going onnowadays.
I heard from a little birdiethat you've been rolling around
a little bit more I've been Ican like.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Actually last week I didn't get a role last week and
uh, and I'll be there this week,but, um, I love jujitsu, oh
shit, that's a funny story Iforgot to bring up on the last
podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
But, um, I was talking to you a little bit on
facebook before we did the firstpodcast.
We're still out at mactownquite a bit working out and you
had agreed to do the podcast, sowe're just talking on messenger
.
Well, you want to talk about?
Let's talk about this, okay?
Blah, blah, blah.
And then I think I had hadseveral beers one night and I
(39:41):
was looking up like your musicor something on youtube, just to
you know kind of see whatyou're all about, everything
else.
And then I roll up on this mmafight, oh, and like I was like
dude, no way you freaking foughtmma.
And then your wife pops up, islike this is actually his wife's
uh messenger and yes, he did it.
Fight mma.
For a while I was like oh, shit, yeah, that probably looks
(40:03):
really weird me messaging dude'swife at like midnight why did
you know?
about that yeah, yeah, it wassuper awkward.
I was like, she was just likeshe probably loved it.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
She's like what's going on?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
it was funny as hell.
But yeah, because you we talkedabout that In the first podcast
you did a lot of wrestling andstuff in college and I'm sure
that that side of you you stillI love it man you still get to
touch that side of you Rolling alittle bit.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You know, I hurt my back A couple years ago, yeah,
and like, actually, but Ishouldn't say A couple years ago
, about a year ago and I heardit, um, you know okay.
So, um, I was working out ofthe gym.
You know, regularly I lovegoing to the gym, like, I work
out all the time, you know, like, or I say all the time, I am a
regular, I'm disciplined interms of my body and, um, I went
(40:56):
to the gym and I'm, you know, Iwas benching, you know, 300
pounds, no problem, I'm, youknow, I'm, I'm feeling in good
shape and I go to pull the dockout at the river because duck
season's coming and the dock, wehad it, we were, we were just
moving stuff around.
So I'm pulling this dock outand the dock ramps real heavy
and I kind of just reached downand I moved it this size, like
(41:18):
this damn thing, and no one elsewas like I'll move that thing
and I whipped it over and thenI'm cleaning up and getting
ready and by the time I'm goinghome like man, my back is
killing me and I got home andthe next morning I could go to
work.
I got up and I couldn't stand.
I couldn't stand up for longerthan probably 10 minutes and I
(41:39):
would have to lay down on myback and I I found it hurt.
Bad enough that I'm you know, Imean I go to the doctor for
time and time, but I had to, Ihad to go to the doctor.
I was like I think I've, like,maybe done something yeah well,
I wasn't sure and then so theydid an x-ray and they found out
that I have uh was called Iguess like 10 of the population
(42:00):
might have it or something likethat but it's called spina
bifida occulta, which is wherethe bottom two of my vertebrae
there's like a.
They didn't form completely, soit was a bunch of muscle on
like a bunch of nerves downthere.
Well, I just like throttledthose muscles and they were in
bad shape and they were allswollen and stuff and dude.
(42:21):
It was just pinching my thenerves, my back.
I mean it was just terrible.
I had to lay flat away so andthen I could not get back in
shape, like after it took abouttwo months, or it took about two
months where I could really getback in the gym and start
trying to go kind of crazythough, like all the crazy
workouts, all the jujitsu, allthe you know, throwing stuff
(42:42):
around and like pulling a dockout is what?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
what lays you up?
I?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
know right.
Well, I just couldn't get backat it.
I could not get back to where Ifelt like confident stuff.
And then I went to jujitsu.
I was like man, I'm gonna trythis, just just to do something
different.
And it was like magic, likebecause you know, because you're
laying on your back and you'relike stretching all these.
I was like man, I'm going totry this just to do something
different.
And it was like magic, likebecause you know, because you're
laying on your back and you'relike stretching all these
different ways and reaching andpulling and pushing in all of
(43:08):
this different like degrees ofmotion.
Like you know you do a squat.
Well, it's a straight up anddown.
You know you do this.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's a straight up and down.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
And everything that the you know.
A lot of lateral movement.
It got my in my back feel itfixed my back like I'm stronger
now than I've been where'd you?
Where'd you do that?
At what the jiu-jitsu?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
yeah, oh, at, at the shed, at the shed.
Yeah, I've had michael on.
Yeah, he was actually a sponsorfor the shows.
Michael's the real deal buddy.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Michael's good people right right and the thing is
like I'm good at jiu-jitsu.
I've been good at it for a longtime, you know, I fought it
like I did fight mma, but Ididn't really get into jujitsu,
like I just wanted to go inthere, bro.
Yeah, man.
Well, I don't want to go inthere and brawl like I want to
like dude.
It's like it's a workout, butit's also like playing chess,
you know you're in there andyou're like and you're working
(43:55):
with your friends, I mean, youwant to like it's literally.
You're like, hey, let's gopractice murder with our buddies
tonight.
And we go in there and wepractice and like someone's like
hey, I found this new way tokill somebody.
And you're like, oh, let meshow it.
And then you were, oh, okay,cool.
And then like, oh, hey, we,here's how you can rip a guy's
arm off.
You're like, oh, hey, cool.
I mean it's nothing likelegitimate, like that, right,
(44:16):
we're like talking like that,but it's, you know, it's a, it's
something we really we drill alot.
Then we do some live wrestlingand I love live wrestling and
live grappling grappling it'sthe best it's it's been.
It's been my life a lot better.
I can't wait to.
I'm bummed.
I didn't get to go last week.
I usually get him in there, youknow, two, two or three times a
(44:36):
week, but I didn't you knowthat and I remember you ever
used.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I was going to say do you ever use the trick where,
like, you're almost ready to tapand then you turn and scratch
your beard on somebody?
I'd be using that as a weapon.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
The thing is I only do no-gi jiu-jitsu.
Those guys, like the other guys, do gi, but I don't do gi
because every time they try tograb my lapel, they grab my
beard.
Oh and um, uh, like this, Idon't want.
I love my beard, you know, likeI don't want to, I don't want
to mess it up man.
So, yeah, I don't do a lot ofstuff, but she's just, she's
great, michael's great.
That gym is great.
(45:10):
You know I love going.
There's the best gym in macomb,no doubt.
I mean, there's there, you know, that's.
You know, if you want to learnhow to defend yourself and how
to be, how to understand whatit's like To have someone really
trying to Force their will onyou, go to the shed.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
And then, once you're humbled, it's not like that.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
It's not like go there and get beat up.
It's go there and see whatindividuals Can do when they
know what they're doing, andlearn how to do it you know,
learn how you know, learn how tofend, fight people off, learn
how to um, I mean the whole, allthe world, the problem, the
(45:55):
world's problems that you have.
Like they kind of go away whensomeone's trying to choke you
out, yeah, or like twist yourarm.
You're not thinking about itand it's like man, everyone's so
always thinking about all this.
You know extra stuff in theirbrains, you know.
But yeah, yeah, you know.
So it's so good for you, I loveit, I recommend it to everybody
.
Everybody go do it.
(46:15):
Yeah, everybody go do it whereyou're.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
You've do it.
Where are you at?
You've talked about Instagram.
You talked about Facebook.
You got YouTube.
Going on, you got a TikTok.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, I got all the social stuff.
If you just find me, you go tomy website dukehourslercom and
you can find all my socials andmy tour schedule.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Okay, yeah, that's probably easier.
You can email me, reach out tome.
You almost forget that peoplehave websites anymore, you know,
just because of social media.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, it's all Duke Hours, or on Facebook Duke Hours
, or on TikTok Duke Hours, or onInstagram, all that kind of
stuff.
It's all the same Twitter, allthe same stuff.
You know my Twitter is.
I have an obsession with the StLouis Battle Hawks.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, I've noticed.
I'm huge into that.
I've been trying Like VetTix,where I get Some of my tickets
to go to shows and stuff.
Oh really, I can get on thereand there's Battle Hawks tickets
.
Oh dude.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So I've been feeding the go, but I haven't.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well we're.
We'll talk about that Sidebar,okay, because I've been trying
to get my brother and stuff togo, but nobody wants to go to St
Louis for a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
So much fun 30,000 people in there just having a
blast Cheering on thereplacements you know.
Well, dude, AJ McCarron's ourquarterback.
He's a bad boy.
We have the best receiver inthe league, a guy named Hakeem
Butler who's from Iowa State.
He is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Six foot six, Just fast, strong, I mean you're
always decked out in your bluewith your big gold chain.
Dude, I love it.
Duddy, I can't help.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Is it a decent tailgating atmosphere down there
too?
Dude like.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I say the first game we went to, there was 40,000
people in the stadium.
At the tailgate I don't know,the tailgate had to be probably
30,000.
Where we were at in thatparking lot Just cars everywhere
.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
St Louis misses football, they do.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They do.
They do.
It's great man.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I love it.
There's still a lot of peoplein the area cussing Stan Kroenke
.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Oh dude, they've got these shirts, these battle hawk
shirts that literally cuss StanKroenke.
That's it, picture him.
And it's like F Stan Kroenke,little kids wearing him and
stuff.
It's no joke.
St Louis football town, that'sgreat We'll make that happen for
sure.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh yeah, you got happen for sure.
Oh yeah, you gotta go.
If you get a chance, gonna go,all right.
Well, thanks for coming onagain, dude.
This has been.
This has been a good uh, longoverdue, I'm so.
I'm sorry it took me so long,I'm just as bad dude because
you're like, let's be.
You know, no, I can't.
My kids got something usually,but you know that's life man no,
no, no I'm I'm happy to seekind of I mean you were.
You were right there at ourfirst podcast, like your stuff
(48:58):
was starting to take off, andthen, with the singles and then
the album, it was just now.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
You're playing somewhere every freaking weekend
, yeah yeah, I'm trying to stayconsistent, like you, man.
What are you at?
You said 98 episodes.
We'll be at almost 90, I think,by the time this one comes out,
that's the thing, man, it'sthat consistency, and keep going
, I love it, I and keep going,and I love it.
I like making stuff.
I'm just going to keep doing itand there ain't nothing else to
do.
(49:22):
You know, not really I couldeither do that or scroll on my
phone, and I would much rathermake stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Workout Do jujitsu Drink beer.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, workout, write music, workout, do jujitsu.
Go to the river, drink beer.
Go to the river hunt ducks.
Shoot big animals Hunt animals,shoot small animals Live life.
Listen, we're all cavemen atthe end of this thing.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Midwest cavemen.
Midwest cavemen that's dangright.
Cool man, that's right.
Awesome.
I appreciate it.
We'll get your stuff posted andgo from there.
Thank you, brother.
All right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
She's the queen of the valley and she's wearing me
down Been a hundred hard yearsand I'm ready to drown.
Need a 50-gallon drum and somegasoline.
Oh, that cold, muddy water bethe death of me.
And I know that's the way I'llgo.
Yeah, I know that's the wayI'll go.
Yeah, I know that's the wayI'll go.
(50:23):
Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woowoo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo
woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woo wooWoo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woo
woo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woowoo woo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo
(50:46):
Woo woo woo Woo woo woo Woo woowoo Woo woo woo Woo woo woo
Woo-woo-woo-woo.
So I waste my life pushing mud,sick and black like devil's
blood Carried down here by thewater.
Pushing blood, sick and blacklike the devil's blood, carried
down here by the water.
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