February 25, 2025 • 41 mins
Thanks for listening to Season 5, Episode 9 of Dialogue Alley! In this episode, Melanie, and Carly talk about:
News & Main Topic:
Goblet of Fire Interactice Illustrated Edition was announced. It is not MinaLima.
(Harry Potter and the Dumpster of Fire)
Translation of the Show: Lithuanian Philosopher's Stone (original cover art)
Dialogue Alley is the official podcast of The Potter Collector
Carly @alltheprettybooks on Instagram
Erik @knockturnerik on Instagram
Melanie @theharrypottercollection on Instagram
Peter @ThePotterCollector on Instagram
Thanks to our Editor: Tommy
Images of books that are discussed on this episode will be available on Instagram @dialogueallypodcast, as well as DialogueAlley.com and alltheprettybooks.net
For more content from The Potter Collector, visit Peter's Website
Dialogue Alley trusts The Harry Potter Specialist to authenticate signed Harry Potter books.
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Music:The Magic Shoes
News & Main Topic:
Goblet of Fire Interactice Illustrated Edition was announced. It is not MinaLima.
(Harry Potter and the Dumpster of Fire)
Translation of the Show: Lithuanian Philosopher's Stone (original cover art)
Dialogue Alley is the official podcast of The Potter Collector
Carly @alltheprettybooks on Instagram
Erik @knockturnerik on Instagram
Melanie @theharrypottercollection on Instagram
Peter @ThePotterCollector on Instagram
Thanks to our Editor: Tommy
Images of books that are discussed on this episode will be available on Instagram @dialogueallypodcast, as well as DialogueAlley.com and alltheprettybooks.net
For more content from The Potter Collector, visit Peter's Website
Dialogue Alley trusts The Harry Potter Specialist to authenticate signed Harry Potter books.
JOIN US ON PATREON!! You can get access to our Discord, ad-free episodes, and our BONUS EPISODES! patreon.com/dialoguealley
Send Questions and Listener Mail to: Dialoguealleypodcast@gmail.com
We would love to hear from you!
Music:The Magic Shoes
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three up, two across, Tap that play button three times
and walk through the archway into Dialogue Alley. Hello and
(00:23):
welcome to Dialogue Alley, the Official Potter Collector podcast about
Harry Potter books, book translations, and all other things magical.
I'm Melanie, I'm Carly, and tonight it is just the
two of us. We're recording kind of like a redo
episode of something that we had recorded a while back
(00:45):
that just like never made it to the general public,
but an updated version because something big has happened in
the Harry Potter book collecting community that has to be discussed,
So we're going to be chatting all about that today.
It is our news, it is our main segment. We
will be chatting about everything.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That is.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The Scholastic Goblet of Fire illustrated edition that is going
to be coming.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Out something like that. I was just saying that when
you were saying the Scholastic Goblet of Fire is like
the Scholastic Dumpster Fire is what went through my head.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I know, Dumpster of Fire. Oh my god. Yeah, it's
gonna be interesting talking about this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, if you are new to our podcast, you joined
us on a fun day. We're gonna be like ranting
and breaking this whole episode, and you only have the
two of us to deal with. We are Harry Potter
book translation collectors, so we collect Harry Potter books in
all languages from.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All over the world.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Carly has like an official library in her house essentially.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I definitely am a little bit shy of that. I
was saying to Carly that I haven't gotten a new
book in such a long time that I'm just like plateauing.
But I do have a list of books that I
need to get to catch up.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So one day, Yeah, we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'll get there, We'll figure it out. I'll get new books.
Once I like figure out what stroller I need to get,
then maybe I can get back to getting books. So yeah,
so this is season five, episode nine of our podcast,
and we are going to jump right into our news
(02:41):
slash main segment, which is going to be full on
discussion of the Scholastic Illustrated Goblet of Fire.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, the announcement. They put the announcement out yesterday. I
believe Scholastic did yeah for the book, and yeah, I am.
It's made a lot of waves. I've seen a lot
of opinions. Actually, kind of strongly foreign against the publication
(03:35):
of the book. There's a lot there though, Like it's going,
it's a very charged topic because of course Mina Lima
is not the ills. They're not the artistic body behind
this book. It's someone else. I don't even know who
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Keep going, I.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, And I think what is so frustrating is that
this style of the book, the cover of the book,
what I saw of the illustrations of the book that
kind of remind me of like the Timu version of
mean Alima, Like it looked like they ripped off their artwork,
but not in a good way. I don't know. I'm
(04:19):
also very biased toward men Alima, if I'm being very honest,
So that of course is going to skew all of
my vision about the other book about the Goblet of Fire.
I don't really have any want to buy the book
to even look at it. I don't want to give Scholastic.
I almost don't want to buy any other Scholastic books
because I think what they did was yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And granted, yeah, or what that's what I was going
to say. I feel like, granted, we don't really know
what the full story is, right, And then for those
of you who don't really know too much about what
we're talking about is years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Mean Alima were Mean Alima.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
In the past have done these beautiful, intricate, illustrated, interactive books,
and they've done a lot of classic books. I have
like a copy of Beauty and the Beasts that they did,
I know they did, like I think Alice in Wonderland,
the Wizard of Oz and The Little Mermaid's like some
beautiful books that they just bring to life in their
(05:16):
own unique way that only mean a Lima can do.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
When they were assigned to do the Harry Potter books,
the Harry.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Potter community went nuts for it, especially because they're the
graphic designers behind anything in the Harry Potter movies. If
you don't know, they are the ones if you look
at a Chocolate Frog card, if you look at the
Marauders map, a platform nine and three quarters ticket, those
are all things that mean A Lima designed the exactly anything,
anything that you can picture that's an object from Harry
(05:47):
Potter was designed by men A Lima.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
From most of the most.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Part, you could say, so yeah, we were all so
excited to have these books designed by them. To see
Harry Potter through their eyes in a different, completely different medium,
and they did it in such a way that it
almost had nothing to do with the movie time, and
(06:12):
I feel like we became so invested in these books.
We were all so excited when these books came out.
I know, I bought all of them. The day they
came out, I bought signed copies of the books, and
Carly and I recorded an entire episode about our feelings
(06:34):
about them not continuing on for the rest of the series,
which honestly was only feels like a few months ago
that that news broke that me and Alema weren't going
to be continuing. So that makes it feel like I
know all of this was going on with this other illustrator.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I feel like it was July July, I think it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Was August something like that, but like later than that.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It makes me feel like they couldn't have had this
artist just start once they broke the contract with me
and a Limur it was announced, this had to have
been in the works for a long time. No, and
that is horrible, Like it's horrible to think about. The
illustrator's name is Carl James Mountford.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It feels like a betrayal in a way, or like.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I just I feel bad.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm at a quandary. I was actually telling someone, Yeah,
I was telling someone because on my website, I try
to have you know, all of the books that have
ever been published up to date. So I'm gonna have
to acknowledge that these books exist. But I don't think
I'm gonna link the illustrator like I did everyone else.
(07:57):
I don't know. I'm just I'm pretty sour grapes about
it right now.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It just feels very like like stab in the back.
It feels very shady, and it feels so betrayal is
like the perfect word. I feel like a betrayal says
like a Harry Potter. Community feels betrayed, and we feel
(08:23):
just horrible for mina Lima, like something like something had
to have happened and not for nothing. What a big
mistake Scholastic has made. Scholastic made up something happened, big big,
big booboo here like this is it's not going to
go well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And I could tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Just based on the feedback that this book has already gotten,
the sales for this book are not going to be
near what they were for the first three books and
let alone if they put this book in a box
set with those first three books of them, Like, I
don't wish bad.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Things on people. I don't want the book to do well,
which I guess is wishing bad things for people. Yeah,
I'm not buying the book.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I honestly don't think I will be either, unless like
if someone's giving a copy away, or maybe I would
get it secondhand, but like, I don't feel like I
would feel comfortable buying it directly to support Scholastic in this.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, and I almost don't want to support Scholastic anymore
at all, because I feel like this is so shady.
I really don't want to support Scholastic much like I'll
even with the new box set that's coming out with
like this Braid Edges. I don't even know that I
want to give them any more of my money. Like
(09:55):
I may buy that secondhand.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I feel like we were all on the fence
about whether or not we were going to get that anyway,
But like, I don't know. I just feel like this
book is such like a slap in the face. And
it's like I was gonna say, you know in Harry Potter,
like you know in the eighth movie when like Harry
comes up and he's like, how dare you stand where
(10:16):
he stood?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like that's how I feel with this book.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's like it's like this guy, this poor illustrator, who
who in his own right, it's not a bad illustrator.
He was like he was just he's like an innocent
bystander in this who was like, I'll get paid to
do Harry Potter books. This is great, probably not realizing
all the drama that's going along with this book, Like
(10:41):
it's it's not good, it's really not good. I was
reading comments on like Scholastic posted the book and announced
the book on Facebook. I would say ninety five percent
of the comments were negative, saying not men A Lima,
not gonna buy period.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I would say I looked on the Instagram comments yesterday
and it was the same. Most of them are like,
it's not a mean Alima book, it doesn't count. I'm
not buying. You know, so many people are supporting men
A Lima. I think because there's just the air that
they got done dirty, and I think we can see
that in how the book itself looks like a knockoff
(11:22):
of their artwork. So I feel like they wanted similar art,
they didn't want to pay the money. I feel like
that's what it came down to, and I feel like
it shows it's just so and at the end of
the day, so I'm upset for the illustrator who is
having to stand here and essentially be the fall guy
(11:45):
because that's what's going on, and people are going to
compare his art to mean a lima. That's what Scholastic
did by how they pitched everybody against each other. I
don't know, they should have they should have just stopped
the series. In my opinion, they should have just stopped it. Yeah,
I was in my mind it is it is stopped.
(12:07):
I won't continue, and.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Not for nothing that's not unbeknownst to Scholastic, right, like
we're Scholastic is It wouldn't be the first time exactly
I could name Scholastic did the mass market paperbacks. They
only took books one through three, and all were formatting differently.
Collector's Editions only books one and two, the Deluxe editions
(12:28):
only books five, six and seven, three, five, and Yeah,
so like it wouldn't be outside the realm of them
to just stop at books one through three, and they
should have They really should have, because this book is like, honestly,
it's offensive.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's offensive.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, I think it's pretty audacious. They went through it,
and of course this is our just our own opinion.
I was just floored. Like yesterday, when I saw the
announcement on Instagram, my stomach dropped and I could not
imagine how Mina Lima would feel. And it was weird
going to mian A Lima's website and there was no
mention of Potter at all, No, like, no Harry Potter books.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean, uh, Harry. I just want to read and excerpt.
This is from the Rolling Library, it says, as the
US publisher of Harry Potter. It's exciting to see JK.
Rowling's beloved series illustrated and reimagined by a talented group
of international artists over the years, including Mary Grimpri, Brian Seals,
Nik Kazukibuishi.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Jim k Mina Lima. I don't know who this is,
z O Gal, Who's that? I don't know? Gonna look
that up because who is that?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm gonna look that up and now it's Carled James Mountford.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'll look it up in two seconds.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We're thrilled to continue to publish these beautifully illustrative, interactive
editions that Harry Potter fans as well as new readers
will enjoy and treasure and collect. No, I won't no, Okay,
And then this is a statement from the illustrator. I
grew up with Harry Potter and these books are so
special and a real throwback to my childhood. That's magic
(14:10):
of Harry Potter. The stories are for everyone, always will be.
It's wonderful, surreal and a little bit terrifying to illustrate terrifying,
no kidding, to illustrate the interactive edition of Harry Potter
and the Goblet of Fire with big and extremely talented
footsteps to follow. It's an honor to be part of
this magical world and have the opportunity to work on
a story that I love so much with the incredible
team of potterheads at Scholastic. It's been remarkable experience for me.
(14:34):
I hope the readers can look for the love, respect,
and adventure within my artwork, bringing my own flavor and
creativity and continuing such as stunning collection of books.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I mean like I feel bad for the guy. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I don't know. I'm so perturbed that I'm honestly angry
about this. If I'm being very honest, it makes me angry.
I feel like something shady happened. I feel like they
were done very dirty, and of course we don't know.
They could have been the ones who did Scholastic dirty,
but I don't think so, just of how just because
of how things have shaken out.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Oh, the person that I mentioned before, it's the guy
Gal and they she illustrated like one of those like
special edition books like Hogwarts, Christmas at Hogwarts or something
like that. Okay that's not actually Harry Potter books.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay, just so we all know, But.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I just feel I feel bad for this guy, like
honestly he is Basically I hope that readers can look
for the love, respect and adventure within my artwork, like
please respect the fact that I had to step into
these shoes. It's like, I'm not at all mad at
this guy and who like worked hard and did all
(16:00):
these illustrations.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Like I feel like I can't take, like say.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Anything personally against this illustrator because someone had to do
it apparently, but it just should have been mean a lima.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Like I'm it should have been mean A Lima. I
wonder how many other artists said no. I don't know,
because I'm curious how long they've had this guy lined up?
You know what I mean, I made this guy step
into their shoes. I would have had like if I
were them, I would have had to offer a lot.
(16:31):
I wouldn't have wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But in the same in the same breath, like.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
This is very quick, Like they already have so many
images posted from inside this book, like, and they just
released the fact that men A Lima wasn't doing this
over the summer. This guy had to have been working
on this book for quite some time, because I feel
like Malema even have said that they it took them
years to come to work on each individual copy, you know,
(17:02):
like each.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And yeah, so I'm curious how.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
One of the things the Mena Lima books, every page
was a delight, Every page had something. So I don't
know if I doubt this book would would have the
time to be that in depth. But also if there's
a lot of really intricate detailed things, I go back to,
when did this start?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's like a cheating relationship that overlaps.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I know, I didn't want to say that, because but
that's what it feels like. It feels like such betrayal,
such a cheatery is a foot and I don't Yeah,
it doesn't feel good, like something feels amiss, and I
feel like we're Yeah, and I figure that nobody can
really say what's going on because of legal things.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So we're just left here to speculate, honestly, is where
we're at.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, we can kind of gauge. I think for Mina
Lima's statement, because they were the only ones who really
said anything like about it, I feel like they were
very disappointed in everything.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
How I can imagine because look at how much they've
done for this community. And granted it's their job, right
their graphic designers, it's their job to do all of
the design worl or they wouldn't be absolutely like they're
they're genuine fans at the end of the day as well,
like they love this series. It's so near and dear
to them. So the fact that like these books were
(18:38):
just taken away from them and not for nothing, This
is the part that like gets me so upset is
that Mina Lima are the ones that like coined these
interactive illustrated books. They did all of these other editions
before Harry Potter. It was even thought of, like this
(18:59):
was their concept to make these interactive like additions, and
they brought their concept to Harry Potter. And now they're
having someone else just take their ideas, take their concept.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That is so messed up.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It's wrong. It's wrong. I think that's and I don't
know if the people who are excited about the book
four they may not understand that. You know, they just
may be excited to finish out the series. But you know,
it's not like the Jim K thing where you know,
Jim K had to step away for medical reasons and
all of that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
This is but that wasn't done in poor taste. That
was done.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Hey, Jim K's having a hard time. Will Jim K's
having a hard time. Let's bring someone on to work
with Jim K for the fifth book, and maybe that
person will continue on and maybe we'll finish the series.
But we still don't have confirmation as to whether or
not they're finishing that series at all. Like I look
at my shelf and I see Base one through five
(20:02):
and it hurts my heart because I would love a
full set of those even if it wasn't Jim K
finishing it at this point, Like, I would be okay
if they finished an illustrated edition, because millions of books
make an illustrated edition, right, millions there are illustrateditions of everything.
They came out with Illustrated Hunger Games, Illustrated Hunger Games
(20:25):
this past year, but not every book has an interactive
pop up graphic exactly illustrated edition.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That was a mena Lema thing that was stolen from them.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Right, And I think that's just exactly it is. We
can see how it was done poor taste with this one.
The Jim K thing was done as well as it
could be, and I wasn't. I'm just very angry. I'm
angry at them continuing. I feel very betrayed.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, if you want to be angrier, which
is really angrier, but like this is just like a
nod to like us in our translation collector community. This
article that I'm reading right now is talking about how
six hundred million copies sold worldwide in eighty five languages.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
They don't even know. They don't even know. They say
eighty five languages. They don't even know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, they don't even know.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They don't even.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Know what they're saying. They don't even know what they're saying.
And if you are wondering what it is that we're
talking about, eighty five is a kind number because we
all know that there are definitely more than that. Maybe
it's eighty five. I feel like we always get twisted,
unlike different Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a wild beride.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Some languages that have more than one. Yeah, it's a
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's a wild ride. But we're all on the Hogwarts Express.
That is the train of adventure in book collecting. Yeah,
I don't know what I'm saying, Like, what.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Are your thoughts? Will you be buying this book?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
No? I can't do it. No, I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think that I what I want to do is
I want to buy And we talked about this in
like a previous episode. I want to buy the box
set of books one, two, and three. I want to
consider that a complete set and move on with my
life and pretend that the set was never completed. And
if I get it, it would be like it would
(22:34):
be like if someone gifts me a copy or if
someone like if I get a copy for free, if
I get it secondhand for like I can't directly contribute
money to it, is how I feel.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, I just feel like it's rewarding bad behavior if
I were to buy it, and I just don't agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, I'm very not happy, very very b not happy.
I feel like we've exhausted all feelings talking about this book.
So why don't we talk about a book that we
(23:17):
really do love, which is Today's.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Not related to the men No, no, no, it has
nothing to do with it. Today's translation of the show,
it's not related.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, the translation of the show has nothing to do
(23:49):
with anything. Mina lima. They don't even have one in
their language. I checked last night. I know it is
the Lithuanian book what Harris potteris ear ismani taes Aknuo
And that's so wrong. I love, but it's the Lithuanian. Yeah,
(24:11):
The Marry Grand Prey the first book published by Alma Litera,
which is the Lithuanian publisher in Vilnius, Lithuania. And it's
quite a book. Like it's funny my my relationship with
this book. This was one of the first translations I
(24:33):
ever purchased when I started collecting way back in like
two thousand and fourteen, I think is when I started collecting, Yeah, fourteen,
and it was one of the first ones I ever purchased,
and I really loved it when I got it, and
then as I saw other covers and more things, I
was like, well, it's just a normal Margan Pray cover.
It didn't do anything for me. And then I was
gonna sell my whole Lithuanian set, and now I'm like,
(24:56):
I'm probably keeping it. I really like it. Like I
got my Lithuanian pag to date last night on my website. I'm,
you know, doing a video on the books, and I'm like,
I really love these. I can't sell them now. So
I love the book a little bit. About the language,
there's about three million speakers of the language, and most
of them within Lithuania. We've talked about I think the
(25:16):
other Lithuanian books a few times, so we don't have
to spend much more time there. But I don't know,
like this is one of the first, like not one
of the first, but it was an earlier translation. It
dates from two thousand, so I mean this book is
twenty five years old. It was printed in two thousand,
which is cool.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, so This book is wonderful. I'm very excited to
be talking about it. It's one of the things that
we'll be discussing in the TOTS. It's in like my
top five, like favorites.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We'll get to it. We'll get to it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
We'll get to it. Hang on.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I have no idea and no recollection of how I
got my book, but I just open and saw like
a little receipt like piece of paper. So it might
have been like an eBay situation.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I am pretty sure I bought mine off Peter.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Like, I'm pretty sure I got half of my box
not box set, but half of my set off Peter,
and the others I think came from eBay or the publisher. Also,
they make Beatle the Bards, so if I buy from
the publisher, I'm gonna accidentally buy a.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Beatle accidentally accidentally on purpose.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, that's what happened. Books. It's for shipping only. It
makes shipping easier. The translator is Zita Marianne, I don't
know how to pronounce Lithuanian. Sounded pretty good, and she
(26:54):
actually wound up translating all seven books, which I think
is cool. I would think the continuity between translator. I know,
I think that helped continuity between translations be more fluid.
That would be my guess. Let's see, I guess we
(27:14):
can just get into the talks.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, what about like the rarity and value of the
book before we talk about how it smells.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, you can still buy all the books from the publisher,
all right, So there you go, including the may including
the Marry Grand Prey. They're between sixteen and thirty euro
plus shipping, so I mean around fifty dollars fifty five
sixty once it's all said and done if you're only
(27:45):
just going to buy one book. So but I mean
that's the price of translation collecting.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But yeah, and they also do Jim Kaye illustrated editions.
I know way too much about Lithuanian books right now.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Ooh, I mean that's pretty cool, all right, tots, let's
smell it.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Mine is just acceptable. It smells like not much, which
is good actually for a twenty five year old book.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know, when I first opened mine, like, I was
able to smell it before I even like stuck my
nose in. I will give it like and I can't
tell if I like it or not that's the problem. No,
I'll get exceeds expectations. It definitely like has a smell
to it. My addition is like fairly old, like it
(28:43):
might be like an earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Print. When does it say.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
When does it say it was printed on the title page?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You don't know where it does.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It does?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It'll be at the bottom. Hm. Oh that's weird, Mine
says two thousand.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, so I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I
mean it definitely has to smell to it.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I will give it. I'll give it exceeds expectations.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
That's good. Mine just doesn't smell like much of anything,
which you know is not always bad.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No, not always bad.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Mm hmm, sorry, I was reading The Call of Fond
that's okay. What do we think of the size and proportions?
This book is always epic for that?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Oh yeah, I mean that's what I was gonna say.
Where it like it's in like my top five Like
size and proportions are absolutely outstanding. This is a big,
big book. It is really tall and it's really wide.
It's like bigger than the size of my hands. Bread out.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
She is a big, big, big, big beautiful book. I
love this one. It's one of my absolute favorites.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I same, I actually have to make my shelves taller
like this one and my Kumi have to be on
certain shelves because about who they are.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So I actually had to make the shelves that it's
on taller so I could fit them, which I think
is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, I think they're outstanding. The size and proportions for
me are outstanding. Pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And how does it feel in your hand?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
How it feels in my hand? I will also give
it an outstanding. One of the things I love is
how like the paper is pretty like deep set into
the boards. Do you see what I mean? And I
love that the paper is curved because of the spine,
so like when you hold the book at that side,
it kind of like fits into your hand.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Really cool. I love that. I also I can't Is
your book shiny?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Mine is not at all.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Mine is very very matt And it's like a very soft,
smooth texture.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I love my chamber is that way?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Let me hear holds it up chambers more Matt.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, yours is super shiny huh yeah, yeah, mine is
very matt but I love how I would give it
outstanding for sure. For how it feels in my hand.
I love the texture of it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So mine it doesn't feel it just feels like a
shiny book like but it's not tacky, you know how
like sometimes books with like the shiny whatever can get
to feel tacky if you had a little bunch or
it doesn't feel like that, Like you can rub your
fingers up and down and it doesn't get held by anything,
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So that's nice.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And quality of the book.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'm going to give the quality and exceeds expectations only
because my pages are very yellowed. The quality of the paper,
I guess is not great unless that that's what they
were going for, Like if they were going for yellowed
paper because it goes with like Harry Potter like vibes,
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then spot on. However, I highly doubt that. I just
think that the paper just did not hold up well
over time.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
So I would actually agree, I think exceeds expectations. I
think it's a fair assessment. And if you feel like,
at least on my book, the pages the paper used
it's a thick paper like I can't see to the
other side. It's really nice quality that way. So it's
it's thick, but it feels it yellows very quickly, so
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it's oxidizing, and around the edges where it's oxidizing, it's
also quite dry, so like if I were a dog
hear it, I feel like it would tear off the
tab at this point y because it's lost so much moisture. Yeah,
so that it reminds me of some of the paper
like from the Vietnamese serial books. How dry and kind
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of hard that it is, like if you were to
fold it at all, it just wouldn't handle it. So
I would say exceeds expectations. I think the book itself
is still readable. It's still nice and readable. It was
bound really really well, but I just don't think the
paper was super great at the end of the day.
It's thick, but I think it was still on the
(33:57):
cheaper end of thick papers. Yeah. Cover art and interpretation
of I mean, this one's fun to talk about.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I feel like my interpretation to the cover kind of
like goes into what my X factor is.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So I'm just yes, I think they're kind of they're
gonna be the same for us, so I think we
can just go into pok.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, the fact that you open up the book and
the end papers is the cover art continuation that is unbelievable,
Like it's so so cool, like blue pays down and
in papers of the back end is so much fun
and when you open it up, it's maroon.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Like that's it unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I know. I love that they continue the artwork inside
the book, and that because they don't have a jacket.
They're hardcovers without a jacket, So I love that you
see this more of the artwork than just what's on
the cover. You open it up and you get a treat,
and then you finish the book and you get a treat.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It just feels like a very like unique feature. I
feel like I haven't seen that in any other book,
So cover interpretation I would give an outstanding just based
on that alone. And again that's my X factor is
those end papers are just so cool, so unique. The
fact that they cover I would agree they do the
artwork the way that they did is just is just amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yep. You actually do see the internal artwork continuing on
the Croatian books as well. The mergaon Prey Croatian books
that also, but it's different, they do it differently, Okay,
but I don't know of very many others where you
see that. I can only think of these two. Yeah,
(35:51):
so I'm a fan and I like I like how
the end papers are pastd downs are different colors between
the front and the back. I think that's fun, and
they're pretty, they're jewel tones.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's just it's so nice. It's so so, so so nice. Yeah, yeah,
I love this one.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
It's an easy book to like. Like I was fully
going to, you know, sell my whole Lithuanian set just
because my Grand Prey one, just because I already have
the twentieth anniversary and it's another Grand Prey cover book.
But they did such a good job that I don't
want to not have it, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, No, I absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I love this book. I love it. I overall like
it's one of my favorites just again just because of
the size and proportion. It's just absolutely amazing on it.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I love it, same, love it the same. Same.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So yeah, I feel like we have I feel like
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we had a lot to talk about today, but like
it ended up being like kind of like a mini I.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Did it fairly quickly, slurry.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, it was just it was a big feelings episode.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
We had a lot of feelings and we just needed
to get them out today.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
But nice. It was a we.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Ranted in a shop box for like five minutes and
then we were okay.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And then okay, now we're gonna move on and we're
gonna talk about Now here's something you'll really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And we got to talk about a book that we
actually like. So there we go. We got to come
full circle.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But that got to end on a good note.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, with all of that being said, that's all we
have time for for this episode of Dialogue Ali Podcast.
If you want to reach out to us, you can
do so in a lot of different ways. I'm just
gonna name a few for everyone. Dialogue Ali dot Com,
Dialogue Ali Podcast on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
We're also on x.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You can always find us.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I was gonna say, I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You could also like find more information on these books
and things like that through Peter's channel, which is the
Potter Collector on YouTube and the Potter Collector kind of everywhere.
He's like our biggest fan. And again, we're so happy.
I feel like we haven't like muched in a while,
but because we're like, uh Potter Collector Official Podcast, you know,
(39:06):
he's a big part of what we do. And so
you guys know, like every time we're like planning an
episode or whatever, like Peter's in the chat talking with
us about it. And if you follow Peter, you know
he was in a play for this past season, which
he does every year he's in a play. So that's
why he hasn't been on in a while with us.
Eric is out six, so that's where he is. But
(39:30):
hopefully we'll have like the whole gang together again real soon.
Even though I love just like the Melanie Carly episodes,
they're like we.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Always yeah, and this time We're not gonna have technical problems.
I'm not gonna have technical.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
We're gonna get like an email from Tommy and he's
gonna be like, uh, actually I couldn't understand anything that
you guys were saying. Sorry, Tommy, I know again, I would.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Be so bummed.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But if you did like what you were listening to,
and you like listening to other episodes of our podcast,
and an additional way that you could sport us is
on Patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash dialogue. Ali, we have
a discord, we have a bunch of other things. I've
been trying to plan a bonus episode where Nora records
an episode with me just about like I want to
just ask her random Harry Potter things and have her
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like what her interpretation is.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's it's in the works.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
So that's going to be a bonus episode coming coming soon. Yeah,
I just have to get her on board for it,
which I'm sure she would She's she's cool like that.
But yeah, we have bonus episodes and things like that
if you support us on Patreon as well. So lots
of cool stuff on there. But for now, it is
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time to walk back through the archway and into your
daily lives and we will catch you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
So yeah,
Three up, two across, Tap that play button three times
and walk through the archway into Dialogue Alley. Hello and
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welcome to Dialogue Alley, the Official Potter Collector podcast about
Harry Potter books, book translations, and all other things magical.
I'm Melanie, I'm Carly, and tonight it is just the
two of us. We're recording kind of like a redo
episode of something that we had recorded a while back
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that just like never made it to the general public,
but an updated version because something big has happened in
the Harry Potter book collecting community that has to be discussed,
So we're going to be chatting all about that today.
It is our news, it is our main segment. We
will be chatting about everything.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That is.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The Scholastic Goblet of Fire illustrated edition that is going
to be coming.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Out something like that. I was just saying that when
you were saying the Scholastic Goblet of Fire is like
the Scholastic Dumpster Fire is what went through my head.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I know, Dumpster of Fire. Oh my god. Yeah, it's
gonna be interesting talking about this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, if you are new to our podcast, you joined
us on a fun day. We're gonna be like ranting
and breaking this whole episode, and you only have the
two of us to deal with. We are Harry Potter
book translation collectors, so we collect Harry Potter books in
all languages from.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All over the world.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Carly has like an official library in her house essentially.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I definitely am a little bit shy of that. I
was saying to Carly that I haven't gotten a new
book in such a long time that I'm just like plateauing.
But I do have a list of books that I
need to get to catch up.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So one day, Yeah, we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'll get there, We'll figure it out. I'll get new books.
Once I like figure out what stroller I need to get,
then maybe I can get back to getting books. So yeah,
so this is season five, episode nine of our podcast,
and we are going to jump right into our news
(02:41):
slash main segment, which is going to be full on
discussion of the Scholastic Illustrated Goblet of Fire.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, the announcement. They put the announcement out yesterday. I
believe Scholastic did yeah for the book, and yeah, I am.
It's made a lot of waves. I've seen a lot
of opinions. Actually, kind of strongly foreign against the publication
(03:35):
of the book. There's a lot there though, Like it's going,
it's a very charged topic because of course Mina Lima
is not the ills. They're not the artistic body behind
this book. It's someone else. I don't even know who
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Keep going, I.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, And I think what is so frustrating is that
this style of the book, the cover of the book,
what I saw of the illustrations of the book that
kind of remind me of like the Timu version of
mean Alima, Like it looked like they ripped off their artwork,
but not in a good way. I don't know. I'm
(04:19):
also very biased toward men Alima, if I'm being very honest,
So that of course is going to skew all of
my vision about the other book about the Goblet of Fire.
I don't really have any want to buy the book
to even look at it. I don't want to give Scholastic.
I almost don't want to buy any other Scholastic books
because I think what they did was yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And granted, yeah, or what that's what I was going
to say. I feel like, granted, we don't really know
what the full story is, right, And then for those
of you who don't really know too much about what
we're talking about is years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Mean Alima were Mean Alima.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
In the past have done these beautiful, intricate, illustrated, interactive books,
and they've done a lot of classic books. I have
like a copy of Beauty and the Beasts that they did,
I know they did, like I think Alice in Wonderland,
the Wizard of Oz and The Little Mermaid's like some
beautiful books that they just bring to life in their
(05:16):
own unique way that only mean a Lima can do.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
When they were assigned to do the Harry Potter books,
the Harry.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Potter community went nuts for it, especially because they're the
graphic designers behind anything in the Harry Potter movies. If
you don't know, they are the ones if you look
at a Chocolate Frog card, if you look at the
Marauders map, a platform nine and three quarters ticket, those
are all things that mean A Lima designed the exactly anything,
anything that you can picture that's an object from Harry
(05:47):
Potter was designed by men A Lima.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
From most of the most.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Part, you could say, so yeah, we were all so
excited to have these books designed by them. To see
Harry Potter through their eyes in a different, completely different medium,
and they did it in such a way that it
almost had nothing to do with the movie time, and
(06:12):
I feel like we became so invested in these books.
We were all so excited when these books came out.
I know, I bought all of them. The day they
came out, I bought signed copies of the books, and
Carly and I recorded an entire episode about our feelings
(06:34):
about them not continuing on for the rest of the series,
which honestly was only feels like a few months ago
that that news broke that me and Alema weren't going
to be continuing. So that makes it feel like I
know all of this was going on with this other illustrator.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I feel like it was July July, I think it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Was August something like that, but like later than that.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It makes me feel like they couldn't have had this
artist just start once they broke the contract with me
and a Limur it was announced, this had to have
been in the works for a long time. No, and
that is horrible, Like it's horrible to think about. The
illustrator's name is Carl James Mountford.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It feels like a betrayal in a way, or like.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I just I feel bad.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm at a quandary. I was actually telling someone, Yeah,
I was telling someone because on my website, I try
to have you know, all of the books that have
ever been published up to date. So I'm gonna have
to acknowledge that these books exist. But I don't think
I'm gonna link the illustrator like I did everyone else.
(07:57):
I don't know. I'm just I'm pretty sour grapes about
it right now.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It just feels very like like stab in the back.
It feels very shady, and it feels so betrayal is
like the perfect word. I feel like a betrayal says
like a Harry Potter. Community feels betrayed, and we feel
(08:23):
just horrible for mina Lima, like something like something had
to have happened and not for nothing. What a big
mistake Scholastic has made. Scholastic made up something happened, big big,
big booboo here like this is it's not going to
go well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And I could tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Just based on the feedback that this book has already gotten,
the sales for this book are not going to be
near what they were for the first three books and
let alone if they put this book in a box
set with those first three books of them, Like, I
don't wish bad.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Things on people. I don't want the book to do well,
which I guess is wishing bad things for people. Yeah,
I'm not buying the book.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I honestly don't think I will be either, unless like
if someone's giving a copy away, or maybe I would
get it secondhand, but like, I don't feel like I
would feel comfortable buying it directly to support Scholastic in this.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, and I almost don't want to support Scholastic anymore
at all, because I feel like this is so shady.
I really don't want to support Scholastic much like I'll
even with the new box set that's coming out with
like this Braid Edges. I don't even know that I
want to give them any more of my money. Like
(09:55):
I may buy that secondhand.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I feel like we were all on the fence
about whether or not we were going to get that anyway,
But like, I don't know. I just feel like this
book is such like a slap in the face. And
it's like I was gonna say, you know in Harry Potter,
like you know in the eighth movie when like Harry
comes up and he's like, how dare you stand where
(10:16):
he stood?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like that's how I feel with this book.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's like it's like this guy, this poor illustrator, who
who in his own right, it's not a bad illustrator.
He was like he was just he's like an innocent
bystander in this who was like, I'll get paid to
do Harry Potter books. This is great, probably not realizing
all the drama that's going along with this book, Like
(10:41):
it's it's not good, it's really not good. I was
reading comments on like Scholastic posted the book and announced
the book on Facebook. I would say ninety five percent
of the comments were negative, saying not men A Lima,
not gonna buy period.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I would say I looked on the Instagram comments yesterday
and it was the same. Most of them are like,
it's not a mean Alima book, it doesn't count. I'm
not buying. You know, so many people are supporting men
A Lima. I think because there's just the air that
they got done dirty, and I think we can see
that in how the book itself looks like a knockoff
(11:22):
of their artwork. So I feel like they wanted similar art,
they didn't want to pay the money. I feel like
that's what it came down to, and I feel like
it shows it's just so and at the end of
the day, so I'm upset for the illustrator who is
having to stand here and essentially be the fall guy
(11:45):
because that's what's going on, and people are going to
compare his art to mean a lima. That's what Scholastic
did by how they pitched everybody against each other. I
don't know, they should have they should have just stopped
the series. In my opinion, they should have just stopped it. Yeah,
I was in my mind it is it is stopped.
(12:07):
I won't continue, and.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Not for nothing that's not unbeknownst to Scholastic, right, like
we're Scholastic is It wouldn't be the first time exactly
I could name Scholastic did the mass market paperbacks. They
only took books one through three, and all were formatting differently.
Collector's Editions only books one and two, the Deluxe editions
(12:28):
only books five, six and seven, three, five, and Yeah,
so like it wouldn't be outside the realm of them
to just stop at books one through three, and they
should have They really should have, because this book is like, honestly,
it's offensive.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's offensive.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, I think it's pretty audacious. They went through it,
and of course this is our just our own opinion.
I was just floored. Like yesterday, when I saw the
announcement on Instagram, my stomach dropped and I could not
imagine how Mina Lima would feel. And it was weird
going to mian A Lima's website and there was no
mention of Potter at all, No, like, no Harry Potter books.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean, uh, Harry. I just want to read and excerpt.
This is from the Rolling Library, it says, as the
US publisher of Harry Potter. It's exciting to see JK.
Rowling's beloved series illustrated and reimagined by a talented group
of international artists over the years, including Mary Grimpri, Brian Seals,
Nik Kazukibuishi.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Jim k Mina Lima. I don't know who this is,
z O Gal, Who's that? I don't know? Gonna look
that up because who is that?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm gonna look that up and now it's Carled James Mountford.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'll look it up in two seconds.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We're thrilled to continue to publish these beautifully illustrative, interactive
editions that Harry Potter fans as well as new readers
will enjoy and treasure and collect. No, I won't no, Okay,
And then this is a statement from the illustrator. I
grew up with Harry Potter and these books are so
special and a real throwback to my childhood. That's magic
(14:10):
of Harry Potter. The stories are for everyone, always will be.
It's wonderful, surreal and a little bit terrifying to illustrate terrifying,
no kidding, to illustrate the interactive edition of Harry Potter
and the Goblet of Fire with big and extremely talented
footsteps to follow. It's an honor to be part of
this magical world and have the opportunity to work on
a story that I love so much with the incredible
team of potterheads at Scholastic. It's been remarkable experience for me.
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I hope the readers can look for the love, respect,
and adventure within my artwork, bringing my own flavor and
creativity and continuing such as stunning collection of books.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I mean like I feel bad for the guy. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I don't know. I'm so perturbed that I'm honestly angry
about this. If I'm being very honest, it makes me angry.
I feel like something shady happened. I feel like they
were done very dirty, and of course we don't know.
They could have been the ones who did Scholastic dirty,
but I don't think so, just of how just because
of how things have shaken out.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Oh, the person that I mentioned before, it's the guy
Gal and they she illustrated like one of those like
special edition books like Hogwarts, Christmas at Hogwarts or something
like that. Okay that's not actually Harry Potter books.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay, just so we all know, But.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I just feel I feel bad for this guy, like
honestly he is Basically I hope that readers can look
for the love, respect and adventure within my artwork, like
please respect the fact that I had to step into
these shoes. It's like, I'm not at all mad at
this guy and who like worked hard and did all
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these illustrations.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Like I feel like I can't take, like say.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Anything personally against this illustrator because someone had to do
it apparently, but it just should have been mean a lima.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Like I'm it should have been mean A Lima. I
wonder how many other artists said no. I don't know,
because I'm curious how long they've had this guy lined up?
You know what I mean, I made this guy step
into their shoes. I would have had like if I
were them, I would have had to offer a lot.
(16:31):
I wouldn't have wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But in the same in the same breath, like.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
This is very quick, Like they already have so many
images posted from inside this book, like, and they just
released the fact that men A Lima wasn't doing this
over the summer. This guy had to have been working
on this book for quite some time, because I feel
like Malema even have said that they it took them
years to come to work on each individual copy, you know,
(17:02):
like each.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And yeah, so I'm curious how.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
One of the things the Mena Lima books, every page
was a delight, Every page had something. So I don't
know if I doubt this book would would have the
time to be that in depth. But also if there's
a lot of really intricate detailed things, I go back to,
when did this start?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's like a cheating relationship that overlaps.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I know, I didn't want to say that, because but
that's what it feels like. It feels like such betrayal,
such a cheatery is a foot and I don't Yeah,
it doesn't feel good, like something feels amiss, and I
feel like we're Yeah, and I figure that nobody can
really say what's going on because of legal things.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So we're just left here to speculate, honestly, is where
we're at.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, we can kind of gauge. I think for Mina
Lima's statement, because they were the only ones who really
said anything like about it, I feel like they were
very disappointed in everything.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
How I can imagine because look at how much they've
done for this community. And granted it's their job, right
their graphic designers, it's their job to do all of
the design worl or they wouldn't be absolutely like they're
they're genuine fans at the end of the day as well,
like they love this series. It's so near and dear
to them. So the fact that like these books were
(18:38):
just taken away from them and not for nothing, This
is the part that like gets me so upset is
that Mina Lima are the ones that like coined these
interactive illustrated books. They did all of these other editions
before Harry Potter. It was even thought of, like this
(18:59):
was their concept to make these interactive like additions, and
they brought their concept to Harry Potter. And now they're
having someone else just take their ideas, take their concept.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That is so messed up.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It's wrong. It's wrong. I think that's and I don't
know if the people who are excited about the book
four they may not understand that. You know, they just
may be excited to finish out the series. But you know,
it's not like the Jim K thing where you know,
Jim K had to step away for medical reasons and
all of that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
This is but that wasn't done in poor taste. That
was done.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Hey, Jim K's having a hard time. Will Jim K's
having a hard time. Let's bring someone on to work
with Jim K for the fifth book, and maybe that
person will continue on and maybe we'll finish the series.
But we still don't have confirmation as to whether or
not they're finishing that series at all. Like I look
at my shelf and I see Base one through five
(20:02):
and it hurts my heart because I would love a
full set of those even if it wasn't Jim K
finishing it at this point, Like, I would be okay
if they finished an illustrated edition, because millions of books
make an illustrated edition, right, millions there are illustrateditions of everything.
They came out with Illustrated Hunger Games, Illustrated Hunger Games
(20:25):
this past year, but not every book has an interactive
pop up graphic exactly illustrated edition.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That was a mena Lema thing that was stolen from them.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Right, And I think that's just exactly it is. We
can see how it was done poor taste with this one.
The Jim K thing was done as well as it
could be, and I wasn't. I'm just very angry. I'm
angry at them continuing. I feel very betrayed.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, if you want to be angrier, which
is really angrier, but like this is just like a
nod to like us in our translation collector community. This
article that I'm reading right now is talking about how
six hundred million copies sold worldwide in eighty five languages.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
They don't even know. They don't even know. They say
eighty five languages. They don't even know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, they don't even know.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They don't even.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Know what they're saying. They don't even know what they're saying.
And if you are wondering what it is that we're
talking about, eighty five is a kind number because we
all know that there are definitely more than that. Maybe
it's eighty five. I feel like we always get twisted,
unlike different Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a wild beride.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Some languages that have more than one. Yeah, it's a
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's a wild ride. But we're all on the Hogwarts Express.
That is the train of adventure in book collecting. Yeah,
I don't know what I'm saying, Like, what.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Are your thoughts? Will you be buying this book?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
No? I can't do it. No, I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think that I what I want to do is
I want to buy And we talked about this in
like a previous episode. I want to buy the box
set of books one, two, and three. I want to
consider that a complete set and move on with my
life and pretend that the set was never completed. And
if I get it, it would be like it would
(22:34):
be like if someone gifts me a copy or if
someone like if I get a copy for free, if
I get it secondhand for like I can't directly contribute
money to it, is how I feel.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, I just feel like it's rewarding bad behavior if
I were to buy it, and I just don't agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, I'm very not happy, very very b not happy.
I feel like we've exhausted all feelings talking about this book.
So why don't we talk about a book that we
(23:17):
really do love, which is Today's.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Not related to the men No, no, no, it has
nothing to do with it. Today's translation of the show,
it's not related.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, the translation of the show has nothing to do
(23:49):
with anything. Mina lima. They don't even have one in
their language. I checked last night. I know it is
the Lithuanian book what Harris potteris ear ismani taes Aknuo
And that's so wrong. I love, but it's the Lithuanian. Yeah,
(24:11):
The Marry Grand Prey the first book published by Alma Litera,
which is the Lithuanian publisher in Vilnius, Lithuania. And it's
quite a book. Like it's funny my my relationship with
this book. This was one of the first translations I
(24:33):
ever purchased when I started collecting way back in like
two thousand and fourteen, I think is when I started collecting, Yeah, fourteen,
and it was one of the first ones I ever purchased,
and I really loved it when I got it, and
then as I saw other covers and more things, I
was like, well, it's just a normal Margan Pray cover.
It didn't do anything for me. And then I was
gonna sell my whole Lithuanian set, and now I'm like,
(24:56):
I'm probably keeping it. I really like it. Like I
got my Lithuanian pag to date last night on my website. I'm,
you know, doing a video on the books, and I'm like,
I really love these. I can't sell them now. So
I love the book a little bit. About the language,
there's about three million speakers of the language, and most
of them within Lithuania. We've talked about I think the
(25:16):
other Lithuanian books a few times, so we don't have
to spend much more time there. But I don't know,
like this is one of the first, like not one
of the first, but it was an earlier translation. It
dates from two thousand, so I mean this book is
twenty five years old. It was printed in two thousand,
which is cool.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, so This book is wonderful. I'm very excited to
be talking about it. It's one of the things that
we'll be discussing in the TOTS. It's in like my
top five, like favorites.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We'll get to it. We'll get to it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
We'll get to it. Hang on.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I have no idea and no recollection of how I
got my book, but I just open and saw like
a little receipt like piece of paper. So it might
have been like an eBay situation.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I am pretty sure I bought mine off Peter.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Like, I'm pretty sure I got half of my box
not box set, but half of my set off Peter,
and the others I think came from eBay or the publisher. Also,
they make Beatle the Bards, so if I buy from
the publisher, I'm gonna accidentally buy a.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Beatle accidentally accidentally on purpose.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, that's what happened. Books. It's for shipping only. It
makes shipping easier. The translator is Zita Marianne, I don't
know how to pronounce Lithuanian. Sounded pretty good, and she
(26:54):
actually wound up translating all seven books, which I think
is cool. I would think the continuity between translator. I know,
I think that helped continuity between translations be more fluid.
That would be my guess. Let's see, I guess we
(27:14):
can just get into the talks.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, what about like the rarity and value of the
book before we talk about how it smells.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, you can still buy all the books from the publisher,
all right, So there you go, including the may including
the Marry Grand Prey. They're between sixteen and thirty euro
plus shipping, so I mean around fifty dollars fifty five
sixty once it's all said and done if you're only
(27:45):
just going to buy one book. So but I mean
that's the price of translation collecting.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But yeah, and they also do Jim Kaye illustrated editions.
I know way too much about Lithuanian books right now.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Ooh, I mean that's pretty cool, all right, tots, let's
smell it.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Mine is just acceptable. It smells like not much, which
is good actually for a twenty five year old book.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know, when I first opened mine, like, I was
able to smell it before I even like stuck my
nose in. I will give it like and I can't
tell if I like it or not that's the problem. No,
I'll get exceeds expectations. It definitely like has a smell
to it. My addition is like fairly old, like it
(28:43):
might be like an earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Print. When does it say.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
When does it say it was printed on the title page?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You don't know where it does.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It does?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It'll be at the bottom. Hm. Oh that's weird, Mine
says two thousand.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, so I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I
mean it definitely has to smell to it.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I will give it. I'll give it exceeds expectations.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
That's good. Mine just doesn't smell like much of anything,
which you know is not always bad.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No, not always bad.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Mm hmm, sorry, I was reading The Call of Fond
that's okay. What do we think of the size and proportions?
This book is always epic for that?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Oh yeah, I mean that's what I was gonna say.
Where it like it's in like my top five Like
size and proportions are absolutely outstanding. This is a big,
big book. It is really tall and it's really wide.
It's like bigger than the size of my hands. Bread out.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
She is a big, big, big, big beautiful book. I
love this one. It's one of my absolute favorites.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I same, I actually have to make my shelves taller
like this one and my Kumi have to be on
certain shelves because about who they are.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So I actually had to make the shelves that it's
on taller so I could fit them, which I think
is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, I think they're outstanding. The size and proportions for
me are outstanding. Pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And how does it feel in your hand?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
How it feels in my hand? I will also give
it an outstanding. One of the things I love is
how like the paper is pretty like deep set into
the boards. Do you see what I mean? And I
love that the paper is curved because of the spine,
so like when you hold the book at that side,
it kind of like fits into your hand.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Really cool. I love that. I also I can't Is
your book shiny?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Mine is not at all.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Mine is very very matt And it's like a very soft,
smooth texture.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I love my chamber is that way?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Let me hear holds it up chambers more Matt.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, yours is super shiny huh yeah, yeah, mine is
very matt but I love how I would give it
outstanding for sure. For how it feels in my hand.
I love the texture of it.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So mine it doesn't feel it just feels like a
shiny book like but it's not tacky, you know how
like sometimes books with like the shiny whatever can get
to feel tacky if you had a little bunch or
it doesn't feel like that, Like you can rub your
fingers up and down and it doesn't get held by anything,
(32:04):
So that's nice.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And quality of the book.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'm going to give the quality and exceeds expectations only
because my pages are very yellowed. The quality of the paper,
I guess is not great unless that that's what they
were going for, Like if they were going for yellowed
paper because it goes with like Harry Potter like vibes,
(32:40):
then spot on. However, I highly doubt that. I just
think that the paper just did not hold up well
over time.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
So I would actually agree, I think exceeds expectations. I
think it's a fair assessment. And if you feel like,
at least on my book, the pages the paper used
it's a thick paper like I can't see to the
other side. It's really nice quality that way. So it's
it's thick, but it feels it yellows very quickly, so
(33:15):
it's oxidizing, and around the edges where it's oxidizing, it's
also quite dry, so like if I were a dog
hear it, I feel like it would tear off the
tab at this point y because it's lost so much moisture. Yeah,
so that it reminds me of some of the paper
like from the Vietnamese serial books. How dry and kind
(33:35):
of hard that it is, like if you were to
fold it at all, it just wouldn't handle it. So
I would say exceeds expectations. I think the book itself
is still readable. It's still nice and readable. It was
bound really really well, but I just don't think the
paper was super great at the end of the day.
It's thick, but I think it was still on the
(33:57):
cheaper end of thick papers. Yeah. Cover art and interpretation
of I mean, this one's fun to talk about.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I feel like my interpretation to the cover kind of
like goes into what my X factor is.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So I'm just yes, I think they're kind of they're
gonna be the same for us, so I think we
can just go into pok.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, the fact that you open up the book and
the end papers is the cover art continuation that is unbelievable,
Like it's so so cool, like blue pays down and
in papers of the back end is so much fun
and when you open it up, it's maroon.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Like that's it unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I know. I love that they continue the artwork inside
the book, and that because they don't have a jacket.
They're hardcovers without a jacket, So I love that you
see this more of the artwork than just what's on
the cover. You open it up and you get a treat,
and then you finish the book and you get a treat.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It just feels like a very like unique feature. I
feel like I haven't seen that in any other book,
So cover interpretation I would give an outstanding just based
on that alone. And again that's my X factor is
those end papers are just so cool, so unique. The
fact that they cover I would agree they do the
artwork the way that they did is just is just amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yep. You actually do see the internal artwork continuing on
the Croatian books as well. The mergaon Prey Croatian books
that also, but it's different, they do it differently, Okay,
but I don't know of very many others where you
see that. I can only think of these two. Yeah,
(35:51):
so I'm a fan and I like I like how
the end papers are pastd downs are different colors between
the front and the back. I think that's fun, and
they're pretty, they're jewel tones.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's just it's so nice. It's so so, so so nice. Yeah, yeah,
I love this one.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
It's an easy book to like. Like I was fully
going to, you know, sell my whole Lithuanian set just
because my Grand Prey one, just because I already have
the twentieth anniversary and it's another Grand Prey cover book.
But they did such a good job that I don't
want to not have it, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, No, I absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I love this book. I love it. I overall like
it's one of my favorites just again just because of
the size and proportion. It's just absolutely amazing on it.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I love it, same, love it the same. Same.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So yeah, I feel like we have I feel like
(37:30):
we had a lot to talk about today, but like
it ended up being like kind of like a mini I.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Did it fairly quickly, slurry.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, it was just it was a big feelings episode.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
We had a lot of feelings and we just needed
to get them out today.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
But nice. It was a we.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Ranted in a shop box for like five minutes and
then we were okay.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And then okay, now we're gonna move on and we're
gonna talk about Now here's something you'll really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And we got to talk about a book that we
actually like. So there we go. We got to come
full circle.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But that got to end on a good note.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, with all of that being said, that's all we
have time for for this episode of Dialogue Ali Podcast.
If you want to reach out to us, you can
do so in a lot of different ways. I'm just
gonna name a few for everyone. Dialogue Ali dot Com,
Dialogue Ali Podcast on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
We're also on x.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You can always find us.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I was gonna say, I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You could also like find more information on these books
and things like that through Peter's channel, which is the
Potter Collector on YouTube and the Potter Collector kind of everywhere.
He's like our biggest fan. And again, we're so happy.
I feel like we haven't like muched in a while,
but because we're like, uh Potter Collector Official Podcast, you know,
(39:06):
he's a big part of what we do. And so
you guys know, like every time we're like planning an
episode or whatever, like Peter's in the chat talking with
us about it. And if you follow Peter, you know
he was in a play for this past season, which
he does every year he's in a play. So that's
why he hasn't been on in a while with us.
Eric is out six, so that's where he is. But
(39:30):
hopefully we'll have like the whole gang together again real soon.
Even though I love just like the Melanie Carly episodes,
they're like we.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Always yeah, and this time We're not gonna have technical problems.
I'm not gonna have technical.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
We're gonna get like an email from Tommy and he's
gonna be like, uh, actually I couldn't understand anything that
you guys were saying. Sorry, Tommy, I know again, I would.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Be so bummed.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But if you did like what you were listening to,
and you like listening to other episodes of our podcast,
and an additional way that you could sport us is
on Patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash dialogue. Ali, we have
a discord, we have a bunch of other things. I've
been trying to plan a bonus episode where Nora records
an episode with me just about like I want to
just ask her random Harry Potter things and have her
(40:22):
like what her interpretation is.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's it's in the works.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
So that's going to be a bonus episode coming coming soon. Yeah,
I just have to get her on board for it,
which I'm sure she would She's she's cool like that.
But yeah, we have bonus episodes and things like that
if you support us on Patreon as well. So lots
of cool stuff on there. But for now, it is
(40:48):
time to walk back through the archway and into your
daily lives and we will catch you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
So yeah,
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