September 10, 2025 • 64 mins
What happens when someone who grew up with a speech impediment suddenly finds themselves co-hosting one of Canada's most iconic fishing shows? Dean Taylor's journey from behind-the-scenes team member to on-air personality for Fish'n Canada reveals the power of facing our fears head-on.
Dean never imagined he'd be in front of the camera. Growing up with a stutter that made classroom presentations nearly impossible, he channeled his passion for fishing into writing instead. But everything changed during an unexpected filming session at Lodge 88 when Angelo Viola threw him into the hosting role with zero preparation. Watching the footage later, Dean was stunned to see himself speaking fluently – a breakthrough moment that opened doors he thought would remain forever closed.
The conversation between Steve and Dean reveals the genuine wonder they both feel about their roles with the legendary Fish'n Canada brand. As the show celebrates its 40th season on air, there's a palpable sense of responsibility and gratitude from both men. They share candid stories about adjusting to on-camera life, navigating co-hosting dynamics, and the surreal experience of working alongside industry icons they once watched on television.
The episode takes an unexpected turn when Steve recounts his harrowing experience fighting a forest fire on the French River – what began as a small campsite fire quickly exploded into a ten-acre blaze threatening nearby cottages. His firsthand account of community members rallying with fire pumps alongside professional firefighters offers a powerful reminder about outdoor safety and responsibility.
Whether you're an aspiring outdoor content creator, a fishing enthusiast, or someone facing your own obstacles, Dean's story demonstrates how our greatest limitations often exist primarily in our minds. Subscribe now to hear more conversations with the personalities shaping Canadian outdoor culture and get a behind-the-scenes look at what makes Fish'n Canada a national treasure four decades running.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
it's funny because when I got hired by fish in
canada I told ang I want to endup hosting.
The biggest thing ever was.
I got thrown into.
Ang gave me no notice we wereat lodge 88 two seasons ago and
he just put the cameraman andnick and i's boat for an evening
and said you guys are the hostsand I had no time to prepare,
which I actually think helped mebecause there was no time to
(00:29):
overthink anything.
We were just fishing and therewas a camera in the boat.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
This week on the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast
Networks Diaries of a LodgeOwner.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Stories of the North, we're welcoming a fresh face to
one of Canada's most iconicoutdoor programs.
Every generation of anglerslooks for a new voice, a new
perspective and a newstoryteller to carry forward the
traditions we love, and myguest today is stepping into
(01:01):
exactly that role.
On this show I sit down withDean Taylor the newest co-host
of the legendary Fish in Canadatelevision show, dean, is
bringing his passion for fishing, his genuine connection to the
outdoors and his uniquestorytelling style to a series
(01:21):
that has entertained andinspired anglers for decades.
As he takes the helm alongsideone of the most recognized
fishing brands, he's not justjoining a program.
He's becoming part of atradition that reaches right
into the hearts of Canadianfishing culture.
(01:43):
So if you're curious about whatit's like to step into one of
the most visible seats inCanadian sport fishing, how Dean
is making his mark, then you'rein for a great conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Let's welcome the newest face of the Fish and
Canada television show, DeanTaylor.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Canada television show, dean Taylor.
Welcome folks to anotherepisode of Diaries of a Lodge
Owner, stories of the North, andI am, as always, really excited
to have a very special guest onwith us this week, and that
special guest is co-host of theFishin' Canada television show,
(02:28):
dean Taylor.
Yes, I got the best co-host onhere.
How you doing, dino?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm good.
I appreciate you having me.
It's cool to hear you do theinterview.
I'm normally like the one who'sdoing like the listening and
the editing and stuff.
It's cool to hear it when I'monline live.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, have you noticed?
I've been thanking you andMancini at the end of the shows.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I did.
It's very, very nice.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, I gotta give props where props are due, boys.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it's mostly Mancini.
I can't take too much credit.
He's the man.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, he does a great job for us, that's for sure.
Well, without both of you, it'sit wouldn't be.
It wouldn't be easy like it isfor me.
All I've got to do is is getthe content Well, and you know
what Content is not an easything either, folks.
So listen, anything that youwould like us to talk about, or
(03:19):
any ideas, fire them off.
You know how to get me atstevein at fishincanadacom.
Ideas, fire them off.
You know how to get me atstevein at fishincanadacom, and
I would love your input, becauseit's not easy to find amazing
guests like Dean Taylor.
All right.
So, dino, the last time I hadyou on Diaries, I think, was
(03:43):
Obabaca Lake Lodge last year,when we really started shooting
on our own, co-hosting togetherand, you know, doing some shows
without Pete and Ange.
How do you feel about wherewe're at today?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It's actually crazy to think how fast things have
changed, because that doesn'tfeel like that long ago and it
really wasn't.
It probably just about a yearago.
But yeah, that was my firsttime ever hosting and if you
asked me, like probably before Idid that show, I probably
wouldn't have said I could.
I was relatively confident thatI would be able to do it, but I
thought it would be a slowerprocess.
I was relatively confident thatI would be able to do it, but I
(04:25):
thought it would be a slowerprocess.
I definitely didn't think thatcoming into this season, I'd be
able to host multiple shows andbe a big part of the in front of
the camera part of what we'redoing on the Fish and Canada
show.
It's still I say it's surreal alot and I try not to overstate
it, but it really is like prettycrazy to be hosting this show
(04:49):
with you and Pete and Ange.
It's just, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I know the feeling.
Yeah, you know it's somethingthat, well, I'm not going to say
new to me, but fairly new Well,I'm not going to say new to me,
but fairly new and to have theopportunity to co-host, and
sometimes host outright, one of,well, the longest airing
(05:15):
fishing show in the country andone that carries a legacy, like
the Fish in Canada televisionshow.
It is surreal and, to you know,it's one of those things where
I just love it and I pinchmyself sometimes, you know,
(05:39):
thinking about being able to doit and it is, I feel, very
blessed and I know you do to bein this position.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It hits me every now and then the vote.
I don't know if you ever get itbecause you've known Pete and
Ange so much longer than I have,but sometimes you know I'll be.
There was one time this yearwhere I was hosting by myself
but Ange and Pete were out kindof floating around doing some
scouting and I just do anon-camera little piece and I
release this fish and then Angcomes over to the mic and asked
(06:13):
me how it went and stuff.
And I was like it's just socrazy having Angelo Viola, you
know, talk to me on awalkie-talkie, asking me how it
was to fish or to host a fish inCanada.
Show, it's just so like.
I was like like you know, andjust like as much as he is like
a boss and stuff, he's a friendtoo or it's really more of a
family type thing with this typeof job because you spend so
(06:35):
much time together.
So it's easy to kind of getcaught up in that and you start.
You know it's not always top ofmind, but every now and then it
really hits me.
I'm like holy, like this is,this is nuts.
Like it really is crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I know and and I do still have some of those moments
um, myself and I've known Angenow since we first formally met
uh, on the last cull, and thatwas in 2004.
So since I've known Ange sincethen.
(07:10):
So I don't even know how manyyears.
That's a lot of years.
But we really didn't begin tobuild a relationship together
until 2010, when I had alreadybought the lodge and Pete and
Mike Miller came up and shot ashow for me.
But before I bought the lodge Iwent to Pine Post Productions,
(07:35):
the head office, which at thatpoint was in the old Barclays
building in Oshawa, and I hadasked Ange their advice about
buying a fishing lodge and youknow they've been in more
fishing lodges than any otherpair of gentlemen that I know
and from that point we kind ofstarted to build a relationship.
(07:58):
And then it was the.
It was the famous Leaf gamethat I took the boys to Mike,
ange and Pete in the winter of2011.
So my first season was in thebooks and to thank them I had
(08:21):
four Leaf tickets and took themdown to the Leaf game.
And at that point I realizedthat Ang was as sick as I was,
and when I say sick, I mean, wehave a true, genuine disease
(08:42):
that is called Leaf fandom.
That is called Leaf Fandom.
And when you're a true Leaf fanand your blood and sweat and
tears and everything is blue,you forge friendships with those
people and there's some outthere, but there's not a whole
(09:03):
there's.
There's some out there, butthere's not a whole lot, that
are that are scarred as deeplyas Ange and I were, and and
that's when we started buildingrelationships.
So, um, yes, I've known bothAnge and Pete for many years and
and I'm blessed to be able tocall Ange one of my best friends
(09:24):
but still, like you say, I havethose moments every once in a
while when you know I'm sittingin the boat and quietly, for
whatever reason, I'm in a boatwith them, not in front of the
(09:47):
camera, and we've got Vova orMike Mooring back in the day or
Rick Delishney now between us.
They're at the front, I'mquietly at the back, I'm doing
whatever support I can, but I'mwatching a Fish in Canada
(10:08):
episode in real time.
And those are the moments thatI really think how did I ever
find myself here?
You know a farm kid fromAmaranth, ontario, who was a
(10:29):
sheet metal mechanic, and nowI'm in the boat with two of the
most iconic on-air fishingpersonalities in the country and
maybe in North America theseguys are.
You know, when you starttalking about North America
there's a lot of big bassanglers, but they have a
(10:53):
presence in the United States.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh yeah, if you remove bass, then for sure you
could make that statement.
It's just the weight thattournament bass fishing and like
largemouth kind ofpersonalities has in the States
kind of overshadow some stuff.
But like, yeah, it's angiopedand the lenders they're the, the
multi-species guys oh, yeah,yeah, so it is.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
uh, it is pretty surreal.
But, um, now listen, I'm I'mreally interested to um, to ask
you.
You say you, you didn't thinkthat you would be able to do it
and that's, that's because ofyour speech.
Yeah, but, um, you've wellproven that you can.
(11:38):
And um, um, how is yourconfidence coming with with that
?
Like, obviously it's goodbecause you're doing it, but
where's your mind when we'retalking about that?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, I actually don't think I've ever mentioned
it on camera or on a podcast oranything.
But yeah, I grew up with aspeech impediment that was like
bad enough, where you know, Icouldn't make presentations in
class I would never like try toget out of them or anything but
it was like a known thing I hadto deal with and dealt with that
for most of my life, untilprobably high school, and then
(12:17):
started going to speech therapyand really trying to fix it and
a lot of times I'll have tododge words with like vocabulary
, like pick a different word ifI know it's going to come on or
whatever.
And I'm sure people have heardit, like on the podcast or on
the show or whatever.
But that was definitelysomething where I assumed okay,
people with speech impedimentsdon't host TV shows, they sit in
(12:42):
offices and write and I love tocommunicate.
I've always wanted to be ableto.
People with speech impedimentsmaybe more than others even.
They really want to be able toget their thoughts out, because
you're getting out about aquarter of what you want to say.
Ever, a lot of people people, Ithink have the luxury maybe of
(13:05):
being able to just speakwhatever they think, and at
least for me.
Anyways, I had to be verycareful, or I'll just have to at
some point, be like you knowwhat?
I can't.
It's not going to come out andI just have to accept that.
So I was always more, Igravitated more towards writing,
so I would always like writeand stuff.
I kind of was in universitywhen the blog was still a bigger
(13:28):
thing than it is now.
Um, so I started my own one forfishing, um, and did some stuff
that way.
Um, I ended up, uh, gettingpublished by Outdoor Canada for
just like harassing andharassing Patrick Walsh for
years and years and years, andhe finally published me for just
harassing and harassing PatrickWalsh for years and years and
years, and he finally publishedme.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, good for you, Patrick.
It took you long enough.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, he put up with me for a long time.
I'd email him every week.
Nice, and it's kind of coolbeing in the same industry as
him.
Now I see him all the time.
But yeah, the confidence thing,it's funny because when I got
hired by Fish in Canada I toldAnge I want to end up hosting,
but I never, like I meant it,but I was also like if you put
(14:12):
me on camera that day I wouldjust struggle through it and it
wouldn't have worked.
Yeah, but Ange, I was very openwith Ange about all that, like
what I thought my limitationswere, and he just basically said
, like well, you just got tokind of power through it.
And we've had a lot of reallygood conversations about how a
lot of it is mental anyways, um,especially with my unique
(14:35):
speech impediment.
I mean, I, mine, is hereditary,like my grandpa had it, my dad
had it, um, but they all wereable to move past as well and
some people aren't that lucky,um, which is why I think there's
probably a big mental componentwith mine.
So that was the biggest part ofgetting over it.
And the biggest thing ever wasI got thrown into.
Ang gave me no notice.
(14:57):
We were at Lodge 88 two seasonsago and he just put the
cameraman in Nick and I's boatfor an evening and said you guys
are the hosts and I had no timeto prepare, which I actually
think helped me, because therewas no time to overthink
anything, we were just fishingand there was a camera in the
boat and I was told to ignore itand I don't even hardly any of
(15:19):
it made the final show, but Iremember watching it and I was
just seeing myself speak withoutstuttering at all and I that
proved to me like oh man, like Idid it, like I can do that.
And that was the biggest gamechanger, because all I ever
thought about when I thoughtabout myself on camera was like
back to those like middle schoolschool presentations, just like
(15:39):
stumbling my way through it andsweating and being
uncomfortable, yeah.
And so the thought of watchingmyself do that was just like a
nightmare to me, and hearing myown voice and having to suffer
through that, I thought wouldjust be like torture for me.
And then I watched it and I waslike it's not great, but it's
not that bad, like it's fine.
(15:59):
So I just realized that I coulddo it and then that thankfully
allowed me to get over the humpreally quick.
Of that I probably got luckythat I must have just been in a
decent headspace that day and Ididn't.
I was able, like Ange, put mein a good situation where I had
no heads up.
Yeah, because I think if Istumbled through that and really
(16:22):
butchered it, it may have takenme a lot longer to get over
that hump.
Yeah, because I would have hadto prove to myself I could do it
.
But I got lucky and kind of gotthrough it right away.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, and I don't know how lucky that it was.
I think that when you're putunder the gun, you either sink
or swim, and some people sinkand some people swim, and your
guy, especially with theintelligence level that you have
(16:56):
, you really well, you swam andyou swam hard and I think, from
what I've seen, possibly becauseof the speech impediment that
turned you on to reading,writing books, and you are one
(17:16):
of the most learned people atyour age that I've ever met.
Oh, I appreciate that.
So you take credit for that.
Yeah, like I mean, and youshould be proud of where you're
at.
I'm a little worried for my job.
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, we've been able to host a lot together, which
has been cool and it's been nice.
I actually found, for somereason, anja and I were actually
talking about this the otherweek Because the next year after
that first experience, angewatched it and he thought it was
good enough to give me anothershot.
So we both got sent toObamacare and we hosted by
ourselves, yeah, and I foundthat was like the perfect
(17:58):
situation for me because it'sanother one of those kind of
sink or swim things.
There's nowhere to hide, andI'm almost glad that that
happened then because you and Ihave hosted together and it's
really nice.
But I can hide behind you reallyeasily because you're willing
to just take the camera and kindof lead and you're a lot louder
(18:19):
than I am and it's the same.
Like you know, I could easilyhide behind Andrew Peet.
Just let them go, and I thinkthat would have probably been my
initial reaction to do that.
So I think it was kind of itwas actually kind of nice
getting the second experience asby myself.
So that host, yes, becauseyou're just thrown out there,
there's no, yeah, like you haveto be a professional or that or
(18:42):
there's no show, like if Istuttered my way through the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
There's no show if I, and it turned into a great show
man yeah, yeah, the fishing wasgreat, yeah the fishing and the
, the, the, the whole thing, theinformation, uh, the, the show,
the way it come together, itturned into a great show.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Have you found that too, with solo hosting at all
Like?
What's your thoughts of that?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, like I mean with solo hosting.
I find that for me, anyway it'sharder, anyway it's harder.
It's harder because when you'rewith a co-host you can play off
of each other's knowledge right.
(19:26):
When you're out there all byyourself and I shouldn't say all
by yourself because I'm notsure people know that there's
other people in the boat, like Imean, peter was in the boat
with us, coaching us along rightas a, almost like a, a producer
, executive producer in the boat, um, which makes, makes it a
(19:47):
lot easier, um, but um, I doreally like I enjoy the um, the
dynamic of, uh, of two hosts forsure, yeah, so, but I don't
mind doing it myself either.
Those ones are great.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, I've loved like I've got to host.
I've actually never hosted anepisode with Ant that has aired.
I don't know if that'll changethis year or not, but we did a
fly fishing thing in theNorthwest Territories that
hasn't aired yet.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
But I've done one, I've done a couple with you now
and I've done some with Pete andit is.
It's more fun like it feelslike you're kind of out with one
of your buddies, but just for anew host.
I find I like the sink or swimthing.
I think some people probablydon't like ease your way into it
and that's one thing Ang saidhe would never recommend.
In this business you can't easeyour way into anything and I'm
(20:40):
glad I let him take thatapproach with me because I think
it probably allowed me to beable to do it.
Otherwise, if I eased my way inand had places to hide, I
probably would have taken itjust based on my perception of
how I speak.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, well, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you
haven't stuttered once on thispodcast as we've been talking,
and not only that, we're talkingabout it.
So you know, it's somethingthat I think you're growing
through wonderfully and thisco-hosting gig is a great one
(21:20):
for us.
And we just got back fromWedgeport, nova Scotia, together
.
Yeah, and that actually was anexperience for me that I've
never experienced on the Fishand Canada television show, not
in a sense that I didn't fish,like, we didn't actually do any
(21:42):
meaningful fishing there.
We did a little bit of handlining, but we were sent there
to cover the tuna festival andtournament in Wedgeport, nova
Scotia.
But that's not.
Yes, I've never been toWedgeport and I've never covered
a tuna tournament.
But the thing that was verydifferent this time was it was
(22:05):
just you and I and our cameramanVova.
Yeah, right, so we were incharge of uh, of, uh, everything
the production, uh, making surewe got the storyline and
everything else.
And, to be honest, you, you'rereally the one that kind of
organized all of the thoughts tostart with, and then, once we
got there, we kind of workedtogether on making sure we had a
(22:30):
figuring out what the storylinewas, number one and making sure
that we had all of the visualsto support it and you know
interviews, and that was areally cool experience as well.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, it was kind of a different perspective that you
and I and pretty much anyonebut Ange, we never get it on
these shoots, where the moneythat's being spent and the
expectations that are being heldfor the shoot are all on our
shoulders and it's like if youmess up, there are serious
consequences.
If we came back and they'relike oh, we missed the final
(23:11):
weigh-in, we messed up thetiming, we don't have a show and
there's a lot of money andreputations on the line, it
changes how you look at theshoots like I know ang does.
You know he probably he doesn'tget to relax very often when
we're on the road and you cansee why.
Like there's a lot of movingparts that you're responsible
(23:31):
for and to be honest with you, Inever even thought about that
once.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I never thought about who's paying for it, the
expectations, nothing.
The only thing I thought aboutwas how can we show the world
this beautiful part of the worldand this amazing event.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, that's what I mean too by the expectations,
because the goal of that showwas not to highlight someone
catching a tuna.
If that's what we came back andwe filmed someone hooking up
and we filmed away, that wouldbe such a disservice to what
Wedgeport is and to what we weretrying to do.
We pitched the province of NovaScotia.
We wanted to highlight fishingculture and communities that are
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so deeply embedded in fishingthat, like people's lives rely
on it and revolve around it andwhole communities and families
are built on it, and if we cameback and didn't deliver that
it'd be such a shame anddisservice to that area.
So I felt a lot of thatpressure, actually like when
we're doing, when we went onthat Acadian tour and the
(24:41):
interviews we had with peopleand you just you didn't want to
miss anybody or anything.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Like we interviewed as many people as we possibly
could, and I'm sure there were50 people there that would have
told us the best story we'veever heard.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I know, and we probably interviewed 25 people-
yeah.
You know, like it was an awesome, awesome experience and, like I
say, we went there and I'mreally interested to see how it
all unfolds and how the showturns out, because you have a
(25:18):
little bit of influence when itcomes to the production or
post-production of that show.
I don't For everybody out therelistening, I'm basically a
co-host, and that's where itbegins and ends.
(25:42):
I don't do a whole lot of thestuff behind the scenes.
I wish I could, but my lifedoesn't allow it.
I'm too far away, and that'sreally about.
The biggest issue is my dailycommute.
If I was to travel to theoffice would be five hours, yeah
(26:07):
, and I can't commute five hoursa day, no, you know.
So I'm really interested in howour field work is going to turn
out, and I have a feeling, withAnge's ability to grasp a story
(26:32):
even though he's not there, andyour ability in writing and
knowing what we did, and thenyou've got our other editors
there between Rick and Joe, Ithink, and Pete too.
(26:52):
Pete has a hand in a lot ofthis, oh yeah, and Nick to a
certain extent like I'm reallyexcited to see how it turns out
yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
it would almost be impossible, with how like potent
the culture was there, to notcapture it.
Like if you just turned on acamera and left in a room, I
think you'd pick up on some ofit.
Oh yeah, um, the people outthere are just like so genuine,
and it was actually kind ofinteresting when we were
interviewing people.
A lot of the times when we goto places and this is like not
(27:26):
faulting anybody, I'm like asbad as it for anybody, but when
a camera's turned on, you change, yeah, and these people just
they can't change Like, they'rejust like, yeah, they're exactly
the same.
They're just like the mostgenuine people on the planet.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was a great experience.
And then now we're back and Iget the call we're heading to
Lodge 88.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I heard yeah, that's exciting.
Yeah, You're back for a few ofthem now.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Actually, your schedule got kind of busy, Well
yeah, I was scheduled originallyfor the two at the end of the
month the Timmins and WhiteRiver air and then I was not
scheduled for the Lodge 88, butthings have changed and I'm on
(28:22):
the docket, which is wonderful,and in the podcast that we just
did, ann dropped a hint that Imight be coming to Nova Scotia
again.
Yeah, I think I saw you on thelist there.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I thought he told you , but that's how things work
here.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, yeah.
What are the dates?
By the way, Do you know?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
off the top of your head.
I do October 13th to 17th.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay, october 13th.
I better get this in mycalendar the October 13th to
17th.
Yeah, all right, perfect,that's not Thanksgiving weekend
is it that is Thanksgivingweekend.
Oh my God, Okay, yeah, allright.
Well, I guess I'm going to haveto come home one day, so we're
(29:07):
leaving on the ThanksgivingMonday.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, we'll just have to makethat work.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, no, that's.
Are we driving or flying?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think we're flying in there.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh nice, that's, good .
Speaker 1 (29:19):
That drive to Nova Scotia in the fall would be
really nice.
Yeah, I'm sure it would, but Imean it's a long one, it's
tiring, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, it's a long one .
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heading to lodge 88 and I'm notsure who is going to be on, but
I'm really looking forward tothat.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You've never been eh.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, I've never been to Lodge 88, and that's why I
bring it up, because when Ibought Chaudière, ange come up
in my second year and Pete andMike had already been there and
I had talked to both Ange andPete, uh, prior to buying
(32:28):
Chaudière and, um, it wasimportant to me to know what
they thought of my business and,um, uh, they were all.
They were all impressed andthey of the, not just like not
impressed of me and the businessitself, but I'm talking the
(32:50):
infrastructure, what was there,the condition it was in.
And always he, the, he would,he would help me and point
things out.
And as I was growing as abusiness, he would always say
listen, you need to go onlineand check out Lodge88.
(33:16):
Check out Dave McLaughlin.
Give Dave McLaughlin a call,because that is what you're
aspiring to be and that is whatyou have the ability.
You've got the potential tohave a facility, similar right
you have.
You have the ability to, to putthe staff in place, to and Ange
(33:42):
was always very big on makesure that when your guests walk
into their cottage, they feellike they're the first ones to
ever walk in to that room, tothat building.
It needs to be that clean.
It needs to smell building.
It needs to be that clean, itneeds to smell new, it needs to
you know, it needs to give youthe feel that you are the first
(34:05):
person to use that building.
And that's what Dave does, yeah, and that's the way you feel at
Lodge 88.
And that's how the staff makesyou feel and that is where you
need to be.
So I always remembered that andI've met Dave on a number of
(34:26):
occasions, whether it be at thetourism summits or the sportsman
show or just in passing, and heis a wonderful guy and I've
always told him.
I said you know, I was modelingmyself after your business.
I've never been there, though.
(34:47):
I was imagining what yourbusiness was and through what
Ange had told me and throughpictures I saw and through
meeting you and getting to knowthe kind of person you are.
But I've never experienced thebusiness.
(35:08):
And I was a little bitdisappointed when I saw that
Lodge 88 was on our docket forthis year.
But I wasn't scheduled to be onit and that was okay and, to be
honest, the dates got movedaround a little bit because the
first date didn't work anyway,because Mikey was leaving for
(35:28):
France, right Well, and thatwent a week late, like we just
got him on a plane on Friday togo for his one-year student
exchange.
But hey, it's worked out andI'm going to.
Finally.
I'm going to.
Finally, after 15 years ofhearing about Lodge 88 and how
(35:54):
that is the gold standard andyou know dancing all around it,
I'm finally going to get thereto see it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
That's a lot of pressure for Dave.
I hope he doesn't hear thisbefore we go up.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
No, I hope Dave hears this.
Dave, if you're listening, Ican't wait.
Yeah, so no, but you know what.
I know, dave, and I know thebusiness and I know what people
have said and I see the pictures.
There's no pressure for Davebecause he's got it.
(36:32):
He's got it figured out.
You don't run a lodge for Idon't know how long.
Well, he's been there his wholelife.
His dad or his uncle, was theone that started it At the 88
mile marker on the rail line andhe told.
(36:54):
I had him on the podcast and hetold some awesome stories about
getting a bulldozer back thereand and just a bunch of
different stories.
And you know when you are thegold standard for 20 years.
You got it figured out.
You know it's, it's um.
(37:16):
The only way you lose it is ifyou get tired of it, and that's
not where Dave's at.
He's a big part of the wholeindustry.
Oh yeah, and I'm truly excitedto see it and I'm going to have
(37:37):
to do a Diaries of a Lodge Ownerpodcast up there with him for
sure.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
See, it's funny to me that you guys have never, that
you've never been there, becauseeven before I started at
Fishing Canada there's like afew lodges you kind of associate
with the show and I think evenlike other shows, like Charlie
Ray he's like the Cree Lake guy,he's always at Cree Lake.
But I remember my perception offishing Canada was like I knew
Lodge 88.
I knew Chaudiere, I knew HawkLake.
(38:04):
There's a few others that arekind of like in that that's like
a fishing Canada lodge, likethey're always there, they tell
me about it all the time, yousee it, and that you and Lodge
88 were like in that same, likethat's a fishing Canada lodge.
That's funny that you've neverbeen there.
You've never.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Dave's never been to Chaudiere either.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, yeah, but that was what it was and honestly,
dave, like Lodge 88 is legendary.
It's the place where dreams aremade, you know, when it comes
to service and all of thatexperience.
And yeah, so I'm going to bevery excited to go and finally
(38:49):
see it.
Yeah, and I don't even care ifI'm in front of the camera, I'm
just going to experience Lodge88.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah.
That'll be a great trip.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We'll probably be in front of the camera at some
point, for sure, but it's goingto be a great trip and I really
look forward to seeing Dave.
He's a wonderful, wonderful guy.
So no, and you know what?
Dino Any other things going ondown in your neck of the woods?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Not really.
I mean the focus here.
I mean it's been a bit hectichere with a lot of stuff going
on at the office, and it's our40th year this year, so there's
been a lot of things going intoit and it's just been the way
our summers work.
It's just hard to to.
You can never get ahead.
You're just trying to keep up,basically.
So it's like just from oneplace to another, to another,
(39:45):
and it's starting to wind downnow.
So this is kind of when youstart to feel the pressure of
like, oh man, we're doneeverything in the field and it's
going to have to start gettinginto post production time like a
little bit more seriously.
Yeah, no doubt.
So it's been a hectic summerfor me too, especially taking on
more responsibility on the road.
It's not your typical jobanymore, especially in the
(40:09):
summer, so it's there hasn'tbeen much time for anything to
go on other than just trying tomaintain what we're doing with
the 40th season and make sure itturns out the way we thought,
which I think it is.
We've seen a couple episodes sofar that have already been
produced, and I think itcaptures it pretty well.
I mean, this is a prettyspecial year in a lot of ways,
(40:30):
and I think we've captured thatpretty well.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
That's great and it is a special year, like I mean,
40 years um on the airnationally.
Yeah, that's a, that is anachievement.
Uh, like I mean, I don't know,I don't know how many other
television shows if any um areare in their 40th season on
(40:53):
national TV.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
You know, Like game shows and stuff maybe I'm not
even sure about game shows, likeI don't think the Price is
Right is on television anymore,is it?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I have no idea.
No, I'm not home during the dayanymore.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, I would have to .
Maybe a soap opera.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, yeah, like the Days of Our Lives, days of Our.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Lives or Another World or something like that.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But we're way cooler than those.
Yeah, I agree, but no, the 40thseason is a huge season and
it's awesome to be a part ofthat uh season.
Um with you and um and uh, theway that you've overcome
(41:43):
everything with uh, witheverything we talked about, and
and uh, uh, where you're at withit, where I'm at with it, and
uh, pinching ourselves every day.
Yeah, you know For sure.
Yeah, you know For sure.
Yeah, oh, I didn't tell you orany of the folks out there
listening.
I was up at the cottage and I'ma forest firefighter now.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Oh, really, you had an incident up there?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Oh yeah yeah, I was up on the French with Maddie and
two of her girlfriends rightlike end of August, August 3rd.
We come home September 2nd or3rd or something like that.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And we're up there for Maddie's second annual
muskie fishing trip for thegirls.
That's so cool.
We didn't catch any muskie thisyear, but that's okay.
We did more sauna and cliffjumping and swimming and stuff
like that Nice.
But anyway, the one day we didgo out to Lake Nipissing on our
(42:47):
way back at about I don't know,3, 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I
was in the back channel headingback to the cottage, and there
come a point where you got todecide whether you go left to go
out into the main channel oryou go right and stay in the
back channel.
The back channel is a littlelonger but it was windy Dean it
(43:09):
was.
I think it was like a 40kilometer an hour sustained wind
with 60 to 70 kilometer gusts.
So I was like I, 40 kilometeran hour sustained wind with 60
to 70 kilometer gusts.
So I was like, ah, I don't wantto go on the main channel
because it was coming right downthe pipe, coming straight from
the southwest and I'm heading,you know, right into it.
So I thought about going themain channel and then I thought
(43:33):
no, and I turned the boat and asI turned the boat between the
like Allison Island I turned theboat between the like Allison
Island is in the middle of thechannel and you go to the left
to get out into the main channel, you go to the right to stay in
the back channel.
As soon as I turned right, I sawsmoke.
I was like uh-oh, that's notgood.
And it was enough smoke that itwas like I'm going to say if
(43:58):
you had a fire in your backyardand you threw like 20 skids on
it, oh, really, okay, you knowlike about that much smoke, yep.
So I said to the girls I said,oh, we got to go check this out.
Drove over and as we're pullingup, I could see that it was a
(44:19):
fire out of control and itlooked like there might be a
quarter of an acre on fire atthat point.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Did it look like it started out a campfire?
Oh yeah, it did oh really.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, it was a campsite, 100%, 100%.
So I said to the girls I had abig cooler, you know those blue
coolers with the white lid,two-hander, like a big size
cooler.
I said empty the cooler rightnow.
So I pulled around into thiswee bay where the campsite is
and as I was pulling up to theshoreline, thinking that I was
(44:53):
going to be able to jump out anduse the cooler in the river and
then run it up and then throwit onto the fire and put it out,
a 50, 60, 70 foot pine treebasically exploded.
Really, it just went and thewhole tree was on fire from the
(45:15):
bottom to the top, wow, and wewere probably, I'm going to say,
80 to 100 yards away from itand you could feel the heat
Really.
Oh yeah, and I said to Maddieand Erica and Eden yeah, I don't
think we're going to get thisone with the cooler, yeah, and
(45:37):
then, as I'm saying that, andwind, like 40 kilometer an hour
winds, as I'm saying that,another one Foo On fire.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
That's kind of cool to see as destructive and
dangerous it can be.
I mean, that's got to be prettypowerful to see.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Oh my God, and I had no cell service Because on the
French you you got limited cellservice.
So I was trying to text Bud atthe Doquise Marina or the
Riverview Marina and like I mean, and on Apple now they got that
satellite texting thing, but Icouldn't figure out how to do
that.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, you have to point your phone to a satellite.
Yeah, you got to point yourphone to access the satellite.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I'm like, okay, I think I can do this, but under
the pressure and feeling theheat of the forest fire, I'm
like son of a bitch.
So I just pulled out of the bayand about I don't know half a
kilometer down the shoreline,directly in the line of fire,
there were two cottages and Isaw a boat that was just out in
(46:40):
front of the one and I droveright over to them quickly and
it was a younger couple in theirteens.
I said do you, do you guys own?
Do you have that?
Is that your cottage?
They said, yep, do you have aphone?
And I was thinking like acorded phone in the cottage.
Yeah, yeah.
I said you need to call 9-1-1right now and tell them that
(47:02):
there's a forest fire here,because you've got less than an
hour before your cottage burnsdown and they pull out a cell
phone.
I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't think it's
gonna work.
Mine doesn't, doesn't work.
Yeah, so then they said go overto that cottage and they
pointed to their neighborsacross the bay and they were out
on their dock and I drovestraight over and they knew they
(47:26):
could smell the smoke.
Yeah.
And they said is there acampfire?
I said, oh yeah, there's acampfire.
All right, you need to call 911right now, because you've got
very little time before it'shere, and you need to call
Riverview and you need to callthe Doquese Marina.
And she got her cordless phonebut like a landline, and she
(47:50):
phoned all three.
And then I headed back towardsback home to get my fire pump
and met one of the guides atChaudière and Corey's like hey,
did you see the fire?
What do we do?
I said, corey, you go straightback to Chaudière right now and
grab the fire pump and come back.
(48:11):
We gotta, you gotta go now,right, yeah.
And then Riverview, they hadhad there was a boat out on the
um, out on the water, so theysaw us there and they've got the
two-way radios on board andmost people on the river from
back in the day even now stillhave a two-way radio base.
(48:33):
Uh, and the river channel Ithink it's 13, I forget it is,
but there's a river channel andthey put out an SOS, call fire,
fire, fire and said where it was.
And by the time we drove fromthe site of the fire back to the
cottage and my fire pump ishard piped in so Bud wasn't at
(48:56):
the marina so I jumped in.
Bud said use mine.
So the three girls and myselfdrove over to the marina,
grabbed this fire pump, filledup a tank of gas, drove back out
by the time and that would beabout a 20-minute drive no, 15
minutes at 30 mile an hour.
20 minute no, 15 minutes at 30mile an hour.
(49:18):
So you're probably about 10kilometers from Dokis to where
this fire was burning.
It started just as a littlearea like I thought I could put
out with a cooler.
Yeah, about 40 minutes laterwhen I pulled out maybe 35
minutes I could see the smokefor 10 kilometers away.
(49:42):
Wow, like it was raging.
So we got back to that fireRound trip was probably a little
over an hour and it had burnedclose to 10 acres.
Oh my God, it was.
The wind was ridiculous and itwas dry, and there was probably
(50:06):
10 or 12 boats from cottagersRiverview myself Chaudière with
fire pumps that we have at ourcottages up fighting this fire.
But this is a serious like now.
It's a pretty serious fire,yeah, and as soon as we pulled
(50:28):
out of Doquise I could see therewas a helicopter out there, so
they called a water bomber tocome, but they couldn't use it
because there were too manycottagers fighting the fire.
Oh no, and they couldn't dropwater on because we were all
(50:48):
there.
Yeah, yeah, but they weredropping firefighters, like the
helicopter was landing in thebush.
They found a spot where theycould land in the bush and then
firefighters were jumping out ofit with their pumps and they
were putting the pumps in.
So when I pulled in, I pulled into where the fire started,
(51:09):
because it was still burningfairly heavily at the backside,
and put the pump in and started.
I had 200 feet of hose.
So I stretched the first hoseout and whenever you're fighting
fire folks make sure you don'tleave your hose unattended in
the bush, because I near burntBud's hose in half because I
(51:32):
stretched it out, but then thefire burnt up to the hose, burnt
the hose, yeah Right.
So anyway, I started fightingthis fire and the firefighter
come out of the blue.
There was a girl and a guy andthe guy come up, introduced
himself and wanted to know myname.
So I said Steve.
He said can you do me a favor?
(51:53):
I said you want me to get thehell out of your way?
He said no, no, no, no, not atall.
He said our pump site is a veryimportant part of this mission
and our pump we're putting it inright here, basically beside
where I've got mine, and we needyou to make sure that our hose
(52:17):
doesn't burn.
So if you could secure the pumpsite, we'd be very grateful,
because they were taking thehose and walking out and around
and fighting the front of thefire as it's moving right and
pushing it back towards thewater and away from the cottages
(52:37):
, and then there were othercottagers up on the front and on
the other side fighting thefire back as well.
So I spent three hours fightingthis fire and you'd spray and
like with a fairly proper pumpLike I was pumping some gallons
(53:03):
and we were I would spray anacre of land all on the one side
, like I had.
Like I say, I had 200 feet ofhose, so I would fight it on
this side.
By the time I'd get it foughton that side, I'd look over
where I just sprayed and it wasburning again.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
So I'd have to.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah, buddy, it was an experience when I was.
I wasn't too worried.
Like it had already burnt a lotof the trees like higher, so
there wasn't fire much fireabove my head it would.
It had already ripped throughthat part of the bush and burnt
(53:43):
all of the oils out of the pineneedles.
Right, yeah, but on the forestfloor it was in all of that
Spanish moss and dead trees,like the dead hollow trees and
the dead standing trees.
They were all burning Right.
So that's what we did and thefirefighters finally got it
(54:05):
under control around the frontand he come up to me and said
hey, listen, we appreciate youhelping and keeping the pump
site secure.
And you know, because our hosevery well would have burned if
we didn't have somebody here, orwe would have had to put
somebody here.
So, but we got her, we don'twant to keep you, you can go.
(54:30):
And I said to him I said so,were you going to bring the
water bombers?
Because I had no idea, I wasjust interested.
And he said well, we did have acall out to the water bombers,
but because of all the civilianshere, we couldn't drop water.
And I said so is it better, ifthere's a forest fire, that we
(54:57):
just call it in and then leaveit to you, or is it better if
you call it in and do what wedid and everybody comes to help
fight the fire?
And he said oh no, in thissituation, I guarantee you, you
and everybody else on the riverthat come out saved that
(55:19):
person's cottage.
That person's cottage wouldhave burnt down if nobody had
reacted to this fire, the waythat you guys reacted and, like
I say, there was 10, 12 boatsall with fire pumps out there on
a Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Oh, that's lucky that many people were up and about.
Yeah, yeah, oh good for you.
That's hilarious that it wentfrom a cooler size to that so
quick.
Oh my God, that's crazy yeah,and you could tell it was just
like someone's campsite, eh.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
No, I know it was a campsite.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Were the campers around.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
No, I know it was a campsite.
Were the campers around?
No, no, no, it was a fire pit.
You could see there was a firepit with a grill and I don't
know whether it was canoerscoming through and they used it
and they didn't camp there, orcampers that used it and they
left.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
I'm not sure, but it was amazing how I don't think a
lot of I think people who are,you know have a couple of
campfires a year or whatever,and maybe aren't always the ones
in control of them how quicklythey can spark up again.
Because I think people think,like you know, it's so hard to
start a fire intentionally, alot of the times anyways, like
if you don't know what you'redoing, it takes you like an hour
(56:35):
to get it started.
If you're not good at it, yeah.
But so you would think like,okay, there's no way it can just
explode.
But I've had times where, like,I've dumped water on fires,
like cooler after cooler, andyou wake up and it's like
there's still a flame going.
Yeah, like it's not.
You have to be really carefulwith stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
Oh, a hundred percent .
I know from on my island.
I've got a spot where we'vecleared off a big flat rock out
to the left of the cottage and Ihave a fire pit there and I use
that for shore lunches with thebig pan and everything else and
I have a hose that reaches thatfire pit.
(57:15):
That was you know.
I had the hose there.
That's how I decided.
Where I was going to put thefire pit is how far away I can
get with the hose.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
And to have a good campfire that you can cook over.
This year I did it and I stoodwith that hose and I doused
water on it for 15 minutes yeah,To continue to spray it, and
(57:45):
then you know you'd stop, thewater would run out of it and
then the coals that are burningfrom the inside dry off the
charcoal wood and then, with alittle bit of wind, they're
sparking up again.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
And you know, and that was with a hose, and I
washed, I soaked it for 10, 15minutes and then, you know, put
the hose down for 10, 15 minutesand then you know, put the hose
down and I was cleaning up allof the pan from the oil and the
fish fry and the garbage, andyou know I'm doing it myself
(58:25):
because I'm doing it for thekids, yeah, and it starts to
smoke and fire up.
So, yeah, you got to put thosefires out.
Yeah, you got to put them out,especially when you have wind
and you have dry conditions.
And there wasn't even a fireban up there yet, it was on just
(58:47):
before the fire ban.
So I guess it might be red ororange, right, but there was no
fire ban.
So you got to be mindful of it.
Yeah, but listen, dino, thankyou so much for doing this.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Oh, I appreciate you having me.
It's been great coming on here.
I mean, it's crazy.
You've been doing this for overa hundred episodes now.
I think the last time I was onit was like episode nine or
something.
I know I know.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
Wow, now we're episode 112.
Nice, in honor of our goodfriend, chris King.
Yeah, number 12.
So yeah, 112 episodes.
That's a little while, and Idon't think we've missed a week.
No, might have been late on oneor two, but we didn't miss a
week.
Yeah, no one remembers that.
(59:35):
No, hell, no, no, okay, buddy.
Well, listen.
Thank you again, dino, and Ilook forward to seeing you in
the next day or two.
And thank you, folks, forlistening to this point.
If you've got to this point, Ireally appreciate it.
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Thus brings us to theconclusion of another episode of
Diaries of a Lodge Owner.
Stories of the North.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I was born bending my rock, stretching my line.
Someday I might own a lodge,and that'd be fine.
I'll be making my way the onlyway I know how, working hard and
sharing the north with all ofmy pals.
Well, I'm a good old boy.
(01:01:59):
I bought a lodge and lived mydream, and now I'm here talking
about how life can be as good asit seems.
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Hi everybody.
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Yeah, but it's not just a fishing show.
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it's funny because when I got hired by fish in
canada I told ang I want to endup hosting.
The biggest thing ever was.
I got thrown into.
Ang gave me no notice we wereat lodge 88 two seasons ago and
he just put the cameraman andnick and i's boat for an evening
and said you guys are the hostsand I had no time to prepare,
which I actually think helped mebecause there was no time to
(00:29):
overthink anything.
We were just fishing and therewas a camera in the boat.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
This week on the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast
Networks Diaries of a LodgeOwner.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Stories of the North, we're welcoming a fresh face to
one of Canada's most iconicoutdoor programs.
Every generation of anglerslooks for a new voice, a new
perspective and a newstoryteller to carry forward the
traditions we love, and myguest today is stepping into
(01:01):
exactly that role.
On this show I sit down withDean Taylor the newest co-host
of the legendary Fish in Canadatelevision show, dean, is
bringing his passion for fishing, his genuine connection to the
outdoors and his uniquestorytelling style to a series
(01:21):
that has entertained andinspired anglers for decades.
As he takes the helm alongsideone of the most recognized
fishing brands, he's not justjoining a program.
He's becoming part of atradition that reaches right
into the hearts of Canadianfishing culture.
(01:43):
So if you're curious about whatit's like to step into one of
the most visible seats inCanadian sport fishing, how Dean
is making his mark, then you'rein for a great conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Let's welcome the newest face of the Fish and
Canada television show, DeanTaylor.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Canada television show, dean Taylor.
Welcome folks to anotherepisode of Diaries of a Lodge
Owner, stories of the North, andI am, as always, really excited
to have a very special guest onwith us this week, and that
special guest is co-host of theFishin' Canada television show,
(02:28):
dean Taylor.
Yes, I got the best co-host onhere.
How you doing, dino?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm good.
I appreciate you having me.
It's cool to hear you do theinterview.
I'm normally like the one who'sdoing like the listening and
the editing and stuff.
It's cool to hear it when I'monline live.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, have you noticed?
I've been thanking you andMancini at the end of the shows.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I did.
It's very, very nice.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, I gotta give props where props are due, boys.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it's mostly Mancini.
I can't take too much credit.
He's the man.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, he does a great job for us, that's for sure.
Well, without both of you, it'sit wouldn't be.
It wouldn't be easy like it isfor me.
All I've got to do is is getthe content Well, and you know
what Content is not an easything either, folks.
So listen, anything that youwould like us to talk about, or
(03:19):
any ideas, fire them off.
You know how to get me atstevein at fishincanadacom.
Ideas, fire them off.
You know how to get me atstevein at fishincanadacom, and
I would love your input, becauseit's not easy to find amazing
guests like Dean Taylor.
All right.
So, dino, the last time I hadyou on Diaries, I think, was
(03:43):
Obabaca Lake Lodge last year,when we really started shooting
on our own, co-hosting togetherand, you know, doing some shows
without Pete and Ange.
How do you feel about wherewe're at today?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It's actually crazy to think how fast things have
changed, because that doesn'tfeel like that long ago and it
really wasn't.
It probably just about a yearago.
But yeah, that was my firsttime ever hosting and if you
asked me, like probably before Idid that show, I probably
wouldn't have said I could.
I was relatively confident thatI would be able to do it, but I
thought it would be a slowerprocess.
I was relatively confident thatI would be able to do it, but I
(04:25):
thought it would be a slowerprocess.
I definitely didn't think thatcoming into this season, I'd be
able to host multiple shows andbe a big part of the in front of
the camera part of what we'redoing on the Fish and Canada
show.
It's still I say it's surreal alot and I try not to overstate
it, but it really is like prettycrazy to be hosting this show
(04:49):
with you and Pete and Ange.
It's just, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I know the feeling.
Yeah, you know it's somethingthat, well, I'm not going to say
new to me, but fairly new Well,I'm not going to say new to me,
but fairly new and to have theopportunity to co-host, and
sometimes host outright, one of,well, the longest airing
(05:15):
fishing show in the country andone that carries a legacy, like
the Fish in Canada televisionshow.
It is surreal and, to you know,it's one of those things where
I just love it and I pinchmyself sometimes, you know,
(05:39):
thinking about being able to doit and it is, I feel, very
blessed and I know you do to bein this position.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It hits me every now and then the vote.
I don't know if you ever get itbecause you've known Pete and
Ange so much longer than I have,but sometimes you know I'll be.
There was one time this yearwhere I was hosting by myself
but Ange and Pete were out kindof floating around doing some
scouting and I just do anon-camera little piece and I
release this fish and then Angcomes over to the mic and asked
(06:13):
me how it went and stuff.
And I was like it's just socrazy having Angelo Viola, you
know, talk to me on awalkie-talkie, asking me how it
was to fish or to host a fish inCanada.
Show, it's just so like.
I was like like you know, andjust like as much as he is like
a boss and stuff, he's a friendtoo or it's really more of a
family type thing with this typeof job because you spend so
(06:35):
much time together.
So it's easy to kind of getcaught up in that and you start.
You know it's not always top ofmind, but every now and then it
really hits me.
I'm like holy, like this is,this is nuts.
Like it really is crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I know and and I do still have some of those moments
um, myself and I've known Angenow since we first formally met
uh, on the last cull, and thatwas in 2004.
So since I've known Ange sincethen.
(07:10):
So I don't even know how manyyears.
That's a lot of years.
But we really didn't begin tobuild a relationship together
until 2010, when I had alreadybought the lodge and Pete and
Mike Miller came up and shot ashow for me.
But before I bought the lodge Iwent to Pine Post Productions,
(07:35):
the head office, which at thatpoint was in the old Barclays
building in Oshawa, and I hadasked Ange their advice about
buying a fishing lodge and youknow they've been in more
fishing lodges than any otherpair of gentlemen that I know
and from that point we kind ofstarted to build a relationship.
(07:58):
And then it was the.
It was the famous Leaf gamethat I took the boys to Mike,
ange and Pete in the winter of2011.
So my first season was in thebooks and to thank them I had
(08:21):
four Leaf tickets and took themdown to the Leaf game.
And at that point I realizedthat Ang was as sick as I was,
and when I say sick, I mean, wehave a true, genuine disease
(08:42):
that is called Leaf fandom.
That is called Leaf Fandom.
And when you're a true Leaf fanand your blood and sweat and
tears and everything is blue,you forge friendships with those
people and there's some outthere, but there's not a whole
(09:03):
there's.
There's some out there, butthere's not a whole lot, that
are that are scarred as deeplyas Ange and I were, and and
that's when we started buildingrelationships.
So, um, yes, I've known bothAnge and Pete for many years and
and I'm blessed to be able tocall Ange one of my best friends
(09:24):
but still, like you say, I havethose moments every once in a
while when you know I'm sittingin the boat and quietly, for
whatever reason, I'm in a boatwith them, not in front of the
(09:47):
camera, and we've got Vova orMike Mooring back in the day or
Rick Delishney now between us.
They're at the front, I'mquietly at the back, I'm doing
whatever support I can, but I'mwatching a Fish in Canada
(10:08):
episode in real time.
And those are the moments thatI really think how did I ever
find myself here?
You know a farm kid fromAmaranth, ontario, who was a
(10:29):
sheet metal mechanic, and nowI'm in the boat with two of the
most iconic on-air fishingpersonalities in the country and
maybe in North America theseguys are.
You know, when you starttalking about North America
there's a lot of big bassanglers, but they have a
(10:53):
presence in the United States.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh yeah, if you remove bass, then for sure you
could make that statement.
It's just the weight thattournament bass fishing and like
largemouth kind ofpersonalities has in the States
kind of overshadow some stuff.
But like, yeah, it's angiopedand the lenders they're the, the
multi-species guys oh, yeah,yeah, so it is.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
uh, it is pretty surreal.
But, um, now listen, I'm I'mreally interested to um, to ask
you.
You say you, you didn't thinkthat you would be able to do it
and that's, that's because ofyour speech.
Yeah, but, um, you've wellproven that you can.
(11:38):
And um, um, how is yourconfidence coming with with that
?
Like, obviously it's goodbecause you're doing it, but
where's your mind when we'retalking about that?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, I actually don't think I've ever mentioned
it on camera or on a podcast oranything.
But yeah, I grew up with aspeech impediment that was like
bad enough, where you know, Icouldn't make presentations in
class I would never like try toget out of them or anything but
it was like a known thing I hadto deal with and dealt with that
for most of my life, untilprobably high school, and then
(12:17):
started going to speech therapyand really trying to fix it and
a lot of times I'll have tododge words with like vocabulary
, like pick a different word ifI know it's going to come on or
whatever.
And I'm sure people have heardit, like on the podcast or on
the show or whatever.
But that was definitelysomething where I assumed okay,
people with speech impedimentsdon't host TV shows, they sit in
(12:42):
offices and write and I love tocommunicate.
I've always wanted to be ableto.
People with speech impedimentsmaybe more than others even.
They really want to be able toget their thoughts out, because
you're getting out about aquarter of what you want to say.
Ever, a lot of people people, Ithink have the luxury maybe of
(13:05):
being able to just speakwhatever they think, and at
least for me.
Anyways, I had to be verycareful, or I'll just have to at
some point, be like you knowwhat?
I can't.
It's not going to come out andI just have to accept that.
So I was always more, Igravitated more towards writing,
so I would always like writeand stuff.
I kind of was in universitywhen the blog was still a bigger
(13:28):
thing than it is now.
Um, so I started my own one forfishing, um, and did some stuff
that way.
Um, I ended up, uh, gettingpublished by Outdoor Canada for
just like harassing andharassing Patrick Walsh for
years and years and years, andhe finally published me for just
harassing and harassing PatrickWalsh for years and years and
years, and he finally publishedme.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, good for you, Patrick.
It took you long enough.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, he put up with me for a long time.
I'd email him every week.
Nice, and it's kind of coolbeing in the same industry as
him.
Now I see him all the time.
But yeah, the confidence thing,it's funny because when I got
hired by Fish in Canada I toldAnge I want to end up hosting,
but I never, like I meant it,but I was also like if you put
(14:12):
me on camera that day I wouldjust struggle through it and it
wouldn't have worked.
Yeah, but Ange, I was very openwith Ange about all that, like
what I thought my limitationswere, and he just basically said
, like well, you just got tokind of power through it.
And we've had a lot of reallygood conversations about how a
lot of it is mental anyways, um,especially with my unique
(14:35):
speech impediment.
I mean, I, mine, is hereditary,like my grandpa had it, my dad
had it, um, but they all wereable to move past as well and
some people aren't that lucky,um, which is why I think there's
probably a big mental componentwith mine.
So that was the biggest part ofgetting over it.
And the biggest thing ever wasI got thrown into.
Ang gave me no notice.
(14:57):
We were at Lodge 88 two seasonsago and he just put the
cameraman in Nick and I's boatfor an evening and said you guys
are the hosts and I had no timeto prepare, which I actually
think helped me, because therewas no time to overthink
anything, we were just fishingand there was a camera in the
boat and I was told to ignore itand I don't even hardly any of
(15:19):
it made the final show, but Iremember watching it and I was
just seeing myself speak withoutstuttering at all and I that
proved to me like oh man, like Idid it, like I can do that.
And that was the biggest gamechanger, because all I ever
thought about when I thoughtabout myself on camera was like
back to those like middle schoolschool presentations, just like
(15:39):
stumbling my way through it andsweating and being
uncomfortable, yeah.
And so the thought of watchingmyself do that was just like a
nightmare to me, and hearing myown voice and having to suffer
through that, I thought wouldjust be like torture for me.
And then I watched it and I waslike it's not great, but it's
not that bad, like it's fine.
(15:59):
So I just realized that I coulddo it and then that thankfully
allowed me to get over the humpreally quick.
Of that I probably got luckythat I must have just been in a
decent headspace that day and Ididn't.
I was able, like Ange, put mein a good situation where I had
no heads up.
Yeah, because I think if Istumbled through that and really
(16:22):
butchered it, it may have takenme a lot longer to get over
that hump.
Yeah, because I would have hadto prove to myself I could do it
.
But I got lucky and kind of gotthrough it right away.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, and I don't know how lucky that it was.
I think that when you're putunder the gun, you either sink
or swim, and some people sinkand some people swim, and your
guy, especially with theintelligence level that you have
(16:56):
, you really well, you swam andyou swam hard and I think, from
what I've seen, possibly becauseof the speech impediment that
turned you on to reading,writing books, and you are one
(17:16):
of the most learned people atyour age that I've ever met.
Oh, I appreciate that.
So you take credit for that.
Yeah, like I mean, and youshould be proud of where you're
at.
I'm a little worried for my job.
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, we've been able to host a lot together, which
has been cool and it's been nice.
I actually found, for somereason, anja and I were actually
talking about this the otherweek Because the next year after
that first experience, angewatched it and he thought it was
good enough to give me anothershot.
So we both got sent toObamacare and we hosted by
ourselves, yeah, and I foundthat was like the perfect
(17:58):
situation for me because it'sanother one of those kind of
sink or swim things.
There's nowhere to hide, andI'm almost glad that that
happened then because you and Ihave hosted together and it's
really nice.
But I can hide behind you reallyeasily because you're willing
to just take the camera and kindof lead and you're a lot louder
(18:19):
than I am and it's the same.
Like you know, I could easilyhide behind Andrew Peet.
Just let them go, and I thinkthat would have probably been my
initial reaction to do that.
So I think it was kind of itwas actually kind of nice
getting the second experience asby myself.
So that host, yes, becauseyou're just thrown out there,
there's no, yeah, like you haveto be a professional or that or
(18:42):
there's no show, like if Istuttered my way through the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
There's no show if I, and it turned into a great show
man yeah, yeah, the fishing wasgreat, yeah the fishing and the
, the, the, the whole thing, theinformation, uh, the, the show,
the way it come together, itturned into a great show.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Have you found that too, with solo hosting at all
Like?
What's your thoughts of that?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, like I mean with solo hosting.
I find that for me, anyway it'sharder, anyway it's harder.
It's harder because when you'rewith a co-host you can play off
of each other's knowledge right.
(19:26):
When you're out there all byyourself and I shouldn't say all
by yourself because I'm notsure people know that there's
other people in the boat, like Imean, peter was in the boat
with us, coaching us along rightas a, almost like a, a producer
, executive producer in the boat, um, which makes, makes it a
(19:47):
lot easier, um, but um, I doreally like I enjoy the um, the
dynamic of, uh, of two hosts forsure, yeah, so, but I don't
mind doing it myself either.
Those ones are great.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, I've loved like I've got to host.
I've actually never hosted anepisode with Ant that has aired.
I don't know if that'll changethis year or not, but we did a
fly fishing thing in theNorthwest Territories that
hasn't aired yet.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
But I've done one, I've done a couple with you now
and I've done some with Pete andit is.
It's more fun like it feelslike you're kind of out with one
of your buddies, but just for anew host.
I find I like the sink or swimthing.
I think some people probablydon't like ease your way into it
and that's one thing Ang saidhe would never recommend.
In this business you can't easeyour way into anything and I'm
(20:40):
glad I let him take thatapproach with me because I think
it probably allowed me to beable to do it.
Otherwise, if I eased my way inand had places to hide, I
probably would have taken itjust based on my perception of
how I speak.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, well, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but you
haven't stuttered once on thispodcast as we've been talking,
and not only that, we're talkingabout it.
So you know, it's somethingthat I think you're growing
through wonderfully and thisco-hosting gig is a great one
(21:20):
for us.
And we just got back fromWedgeport, nova Scotia, together
.
Yeah, and that actually was anexperience for me that I've
never experienced on the Fishand Canada television show, not
in a sense that I didn't fish,like, we didn't actually do any
(21:42):
meaningful fishing there.
We did a little bit of handlining, but we were sent there
to cover the tuna festival andtournament in Wedgeport, nova
Scotia.
But that's not.
Yes, I've never been toWedgeport and I've never covered
a tuna tournament.
But the thing that was verydifferent this time was it was
(22:05):
just you and I and our cameramanVova.
Yeah, right, so we were incharge of uh, of, uh, everything
the production, uh, making surewe got the storyline and
everything else.
And, to be honest, you, you'rereally the one that kind of
organized all of the thoughts tostart with, and then, once we
got there, we kind of workedtogether on making sure we had a
(22:30):
figuring out what the storylinewas, number one and making sure
that we had all of the visualsto support it and you know
interviews, and that was areally cool experience as well.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, it was kind of a different perspective that you
and I and pretty much anyonebut Ange, we never get it on
these shoots, where the moneythat's being spent and the
expectations that are being heldfor the shoot are all on our
shoulders and it's like if youmess up, there are serious
consequences.
If we came back and they'relike oh, we missed the final
(23:11):
weigh-in, we messed up thetiming, we don't have a show and
there's a lot of money andreputations on the line, it
changes how you look at theshoots like I know ang does.
You know he probably he doesn'tget to relax very often when
we're on the road and you cansee why.
Like there's a lot of movingparts that you're responsible
(23:31):
for and to be honest with you, Inever even thought about that
once.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I never thought about who's paying for it, the
expectations, nothing.
The only thing I thought aboutwas how can we show the world
this beautiful part of the worldand this amazing event.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, that's what I mean too by the expectations,
because the goal of that showwas not to highlight someone
catching a tuna.
If that's what we came back andwe filmed someone hooking up
and we filmed away, that wouldbe such a disservice to what
Wedgeport is and to what we weretrying to do.
We pitched the province of NovaScotia.
We wanted to highlight fishingculture and communities that are
(24:20):
so deeply embedded in fishingthat, like people's lives rely
on it and revolve around it andwhole communities and families
are built on it, and if we cameback and didn't deliver that
it'd be such a shame anddisservice to that area.
So I felt a lot of thatpressure, actually like when
we're doing, when we went onthat Acadian tour and the
(24:41):
interviews we had with peopleand you just you didn't want to
miss anybody or anything.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Like we interviewed as many people as we possibly
could, and I'm sure there were50 people there that would have
told us the best story we'veever heard.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I know, and we probably interviewed 25 people-
yeah.
You know, like it was an awesome, awesome experience and, like I
say, we went there and I'mreally interested to see how it
all unfolds and how the showturns out, because you have a
(25:18):
little bit of influence when itcomes to the production or
post-production of that show.
I don't For everybody out therelistening, I'm basically a
co-host, and that's where itbegins and ends.
(25:42):
I don't do a whole lot of thestuff behind the scenes.
I wish I could, but my lifedoesn't allow it.
I'm too far away, and that'sreally about.
The biggest issue is my dailycommute.
If I was to travel to theoffice would be five hours, yeah
(26:07):
, and I can't commute five hoursa day, no, you know.
So I'm really interested in howour field work is going to turn
out, and I have a feeling, withAnge's ability to grasp a story
(26:32):
even though he's not there, andyour ability in writing and
knowing what we did, and thenyou've got our other editors
there between Rick and Joe, Ithink, and Pete too.
(26:52):
Pete has a hand in a lot ofthis, oh yeah, and Nick to a
certain extent like I'm reallyexcited to see how it turns out
yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
it would almost be impossible, with how like potent
the culture was there, to notcapture it.
Like if you just turned on acamera and left in a room, I
think you'd pick up on some ofit.
Oh yeah, um, the people outthere are just like so genuine,
and it was actually kind ofinteresting when we were
interviewing people.
A lot of the times when we goto places and this is like not
(27:26):
faulting anybody, I'm like asbad as it for anybody, but when
a camera's turned on, you change, yeah, and these people just
they can't change Like, they'rejust like, yeah, they're exactly
the same.
They're just like the mostgenuine people on the planet.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was a great experience.
And then now we're back and Iget the call we're heading to
Lodge 88.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I heard yeah, that's exciting.
Yeah, You're back for a few ofthem now.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Actually, your schedule got kind of busy, Well
yeah, I was scheduled originallyfor the two at the end of the
month the Timmins and WhiteRiver air and then I was not
scheduled for the Lodge 88, butthings have changed and I'm on
(28:22):
the docket, which is wonderful,and in the podcast that we just
did, ann dropped a hint that Imight be coming to Nova Scotia
again.
Yeah, I think I saw you on thelist there.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I thought he told you , but that's how things work
here.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, yeah.
What are the dates?
By the way, Do you know?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
off the top of your head.
I do October 13th to 17th.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay, october 13th.
I better get this in mycalendar the October 13th to
17th.
Yeah, all right, perfect,that's not Thanksgiving weekend
is it that is Thanksgivingweekend.
Oh my God, Okay, yeah, allright.
Well, I guess I'm going to haveto come home one day, so we're
(29:07):
leaving on the ThanksgivingMonday.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, we'll just have to makethat work.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, no, that's.
Are we driving or flying?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think we're flying in there.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh nice, that's, good .
Speaker 1 (29:19):
That drive to Nova Scotia in the fall would be
really nice.
Yeah, I'm sure it would, but Imean it's a long one, it's
tiring, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, it's a long one .
It's the borders that throw awrench in the works.
New Brunswick to go straightacross and drive and not have to
dip down into the United Statesand back is much better.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, when you're carrying all that equipment,
those like hard cases I thinklook kind of sketchy.
Oh yeah, they cause a lot ofattention when you're trying to
bring over like 25 hard casesover the border with batteries
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, and some American dude in Vermont is not
going to know who the Fish andCanada television show is no no,
you know yeah, so yeah, no.
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heading to lodge 88 and I'm notsure who is going to be on, but
I'm really looking forward tothat.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You've never been eh.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, I've never been to Lodge 88, and that's why I
bring it up, because when Ibought Chaudière, ange come up
in my second year and Pete andMike had already been there and
I had talked to both Ange andPete, uh, prior to buying
(32:28):
Chaudière and, um, it wasimportant to me to know what
they thought of my business and,um, uh, they were all.
They were all impressed andthey of the, not just like not
impressed of me and the businessitself, but I'm talking the
(32:50):
infrastructure, what was there,the condition it was in.
And always he, the, he would,he would help me and point
things out.
And as I was growing as abusiness, he would always say
listen, you need to go onlineand check out Lodge88.
(33:16):
Check out Dave McLaughlin.
Give Dave McLaughlin a call,because that is what you're
aspiring to be and that is whatyou have the ability.
You've got the potential tohave a facility, similar right
you have.
You have the ability to, to putthe staff in place, to and Ange
(33:42):
was always very big on makesure that when your guests walk
into their cottage, they feellike they're the first ones to
ever walk in to that room, tothat building.
It needs to be that clean.
It needs to smell building.
It needs to be that clean, itneeds to smell new, it needs to
you know, it needs to give youthe feel that you are the first
(34:05):
person to use that building.
And that's what Dave does, yeah, and that's the way you feel at
Lodge 88.
And that's how the staff makesyou feel and that is where you
need to be.
So I always remembered that andI've met Dave on a number of
(34:26):
occasions, whether it be at thetourism summits or the sportsman
show or just in passing, and heis a wonderful guy and I've
always told him.
I said you know, I was modelingmyself after your business.
I've never been there, though.
(34:47):
I was imagining what yourbusiness was and through what
Ange had told me and throughpictures I saw and through
meeting you and getting to knowthe kind of person you are.
But I've never experienced thebusiness.
(35:08):
And I was a little bitdisappointed when I saw that
Lodge 88 was on our docket forthis year.
But I wasn't scheduled to be onit and that was okay and, to be
honest, the dates got movedaround a little bit because the
first date didn't work anyway,because Mikey was leaving for
(35:28):
France, right Well, and thatwent a week late, like we just
got him on a plane on Friday togo for his one-year student
exchange.
But hey, it's worked out andI'm going to.
Finally.
I'm going to.
Finally, after 15 years ofhearing about Lodge 88 and how
(35:54):
that is the gold standard andyou know dancing all around it,
I'm finally going to get thereto see it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
That's a lot of pressure for Dave.
I hope he doesn't hear thisbefore we go up.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
No, I hope Dave hears this.
Dave, if you're listening, Ican't wait.
Yeah, so no, but you know what.
I know, dave, and I know thebusiness and I know what people
have said and I see the pictures.
There's no pressure for Davebecause he's got it.
(36:32):
He's got it figured out.
You don't run a lodge for Idon't know how long.
Well, he's been there his wholelife.
His dad or his uncle, was theone that started it At the 88
mile marker on the rail line andhe told.
(36:54):
I had him on the podcast and hetold some awesome stories about
getting a bulldozer back thereand and just a bunch of
different stories.
And you know when you are thegold standard for 20 years.
You got it figured out.
You know it's, it's um.
(37:16):
The only way you lose it is ifyou get tired of it, and that's
not where Dave's at.
He's a big part of the wholeindustry.
Oh yeah, and I'm truly excitedto see it and I'm going to have
(37:37):
to do a Diaries of a Lodge Ownerpodcast up there with him for
sure.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
See, it's funny to me that you guys have never, that
you've never been there, becauseeven before I started at
Fishing Canada there's like afew lodges you kind of associate
with the show and I think evenlike other shows, like Charlie
Ray he's like the Cree Lake guy,he's always at Cree Lake.
But I remember my perception offishing Canada was like I knew
Lodge 88.
I knew Chaudiere, I knew HawkLake.
(38:04):
There's a few others that arekind of like in that that's like
a fishing Canada lodge, likethey're always there, they tell
me about it all the time, yousee it, and that you and Lodge
88 were like in that same, likethat's a fishing Canada lodge.
That's funny that you've neverbeen there.
You've never.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Dave's never been to Chaudiere either.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, yeah, but that was what it was and honestly,
dave, like Lodge 88 is legendary.
It's the place where dreams aremade, you know, when it comes
to service and all of thatexperience.
And yeah, so I'm going to bevery excited to go and finally
(38:49):
see it.
Yeah, and I don't even care ifI'm in front of the camera, I'm
just going to experience Lodge88.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah.
That'll be a great trip.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We'll probably be in front of the camera at some
point, for sure, but it's goingto be a great trip and I really
look forward to seeing Dave.
He's a wonderful, wonderful guy.
So no, and you know what?
Dino Any other things going ondown in your neck of the woods?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Not really.
I mean the focus here.
I mean it's been a bit hectichere with a lot of stuff going
on at the office, and it's our40th year this year, so there's
been a lot of things going intoit and it's just been the way
our summers work.
It's just hard to to.
You can never get ahead.
You're just trying to keep up,basically.
So it's like just from oneplace to another, to another,
(39:45):
and it's starting to wind downnow.
So this is kind of when youstart to feel the pressure of
like, oh man, we're doneeverything in the field and it's
going to have to start gettinginto post production time like a
little bit more seriously.
Yeah, no doubt.
So it's been a hectic summerfor me too, especially taking on
more responsibility on the road.
It's not your typical jobanymore, especially in the
(40:09):
summer, so it's there hasn'tbeen much time for anything to
go on other than just trying tomaintain what we're doing with
the 40th season and make sure itturns out the way we thought,
which I think it is.
We've seen a couple episodes sofar that have already been
produced, and I think itcaptures it pretty well.
I mean, this is a prettyspecial year in a lot of ways,
(40:30):
and I think we've captured thatpretty well.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
That's great and it is a special year, like I mean,
40 years um on the airnationally.
Yeah, that's a, that is anachievement.
Uh, like I mean, I don't know,I don't know how many other
television shows if any um areare in their 40th season on
(40:53):
national TV.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
You know, Like game shows and stuff maybe I'm not
even sure about game shows, likeI don't think the Price is
Right is on television anymore,is it?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I have no idea.
No, I'm not home during the dayanymore.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, I would have to .
Maybe a soap opera.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, yeah, like the Days of Our Lives, days of Our.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Lives or Another World or something like that.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But we're way cooler than those.
Yeah, I agree, but no, the 40thseason is a huge season and
it's awesome to be a part ofthat uh season.
Um with you and um and uh, theway that you've overcome
(41:43):
everything with uh, witheverything we talked about, and
and uh, uh, where you're at withit, where I'm at with it, and
uh, pinching ourselves every day.
Yeah, you know For sure.
Yeah, you know For sure.
Yeah, oh, I didn't tell you orany of the folks out there
listening.
I was up at the cottage and I'ma forest firefighter now.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Oh, really, you had an incident up there?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Oh yeah yeah, I was up on the French with Maddie and
two of her girlfriends rightlike end of August, August 3rd.
We come home September 2nd or3rd or something like that.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And we're up there for Maddie's second annual
muskie fishing trip for thegirls.
That's so cool.
We didn't catch any muskie thisyear, but that's okay.
We did more sauna and cliffjumping and swimming and stuff
like that Nice.
But anyway, the one day we didgo out to Lake Nipissing on our
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way back at about I don't know,3, 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I
was in the back channel headingback to the cottage, and there
come a point where you got todecide whether you go left to go
out into the main channel oryou go right and stay in the
back channel.
The back channel is a littlelonger but it was windy Dean it
(43:09):
was.
I think it was like a 40kilometer an hour sustained wind
with 60 to 70 kilometer gusts.
So I was like I, 40 kilometeran hour sustained wind with 60
to 70 kilometer gusts.
So I was like, ah, I don't wantto go on the main channel
because it was coming right downthe pipe, coming straight from
the southwest and I'm heading,you know, right into it.
So I thought about going themain channel and then I thought
(43:33):
no, and I turned the boat and asI turned the boat between the
like Allison Island I turned theboat between the like Allison
Island is in the middle of thechannel and you go to the left
to get out into the main channel, you go to the right to stay in
the back channel.
As soon as I turned right, I sawsmoke.
I was like uh-oh, that's notgood.
And it was enough smoke that itwas like I'm going to say if
(43:58):
you had a fire in your backyardand you threw like 20 skids on
it, oh, really, okay, you knowlike about that much smoke, yep.
So I said to the girls I said,oh, we got to go check this out.
Drove over and as we're pullingup, I could see that it was a
(44:19):
fire out of control and itlooked like there might be a
quarter of an acre on fire atthat point.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Did it look like it started out a campfire?
Oh yeah, it did oh really.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, it was a campsite, 100%, 100%.
So I said to the girls I had abig cooler, you know those blue
coolers with the white lid,two-hander, like a big size
cooler.
I said empty the cooler rightnow.
So I pulled around into thiswee bay where the campsite is
and as I was pulling up to theshoreline, thinking that I was
(44:53):
going to be able to jump out anduse the cooler in the river and
then run it up and then throwit onto the fire and put it out,
a 50, 60, 70 foot pine treebasically exploded.
Really, it just went and thewhole tree was on fire from the
(45:15):
bottom to the top, wow, and wewere probably, I'm going to say,
80 to 100 yards away from itand you could feel the heat
Really.
Oh yeah, and I said to Maddieand Erica and Eden yeah, I don't
think we're going to get thisone with the cooler, yeah, and
(45:37):
then, as I'm saying that, andwind, like 40 kilometer an hour
winds, as I'm saying that,another one Foo On fire.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
That's kind of cool to see as destructive and
dangerous it can be.
I mean, that's got to be prettypowerful to see.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Oh my God, and I had no cell service Because on the
French you you got limited cellservice.
So I was trying to text Bud atthe Doquise Marina or the
Riverview Marina and like I mean, and on Apple now they got that
satellite texting thing, but Icouldn't figure out how to do
that.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, you have to point your phone to a satellite.
Yeah, you got to point yourphone to access the satellite.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I'm like, okay, I think I can do this, but under
the pressure and feeling theheat of the forest fire, I'm
like son of a bitch.
So I just pulled out of the bayand about I don't know half a
kilometer down the shoreline,directly in the line of fire,
there were two cottages and Isaw a boat that was just out in
(46:40):
front of the one and I droveright over to them quickly and
it was a younger couple in theirteens.
I said do you, do you guys own?
Do you have that?
Is that your cottage?
They said, yep, do you have aphone?
And I was thinking like acorded phone in the cottage.
Yeah, yeah.
I said you need to call 9-1-1right now and tell them that
(47:02):
there's a forest fire here,because you've got less than an
hour before your cottage burnsdown and they pull out a cell
phone.
I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't think it's
gonna work.
Mine doesn't, doesn't work.
Yeah, so then they said go overto that cottage and they
pointed to their neighborsacross the bay and they were out
on their dock and I drovestraight over and they knew they
(47:26):
could smell the smoke.
Yeah.
And they said is there acampfire?
I said, oh yeah, there's acampfire.
All right, you need to call 911right now, because you've got
very little time before it'shere, and you need to call
Riverview and you need to callthe Doquese Marina.
And she got her cordless phonebut like a landline, and she
(47:50):
phoned all three.
And then I headed back towardsback home to get my fire pump
and met one of the guides atChaudière and Corey's like hey,
did you see the fire?
What do we do?
I said, corey, you go straightback to Chaudière right now and
grab the fire pump and come back.
(48:11):
We gotta, you gotta go now,right, yeah.
And then Riverview, they hadhad there was a boat out on the
um, out on the water, so theysaw us there and they've got the
two-way radios on board andmost people on the river from
back in the day even now stillhave a two-way radio base.
(48:33):
Uh, and the river channel Ithink it's 13, I forget it is,
but there's a river channel andthey put out an SOS, call fire,
fire, fire and said where it was.
And by the time we drove fromthe site of the fire back to the
cottage and my fire pump ishard piped in so Bud wasn't at
(48:56):
the marina so I jumped in.
Bud said use mine.
So the three girls and myselfdrove over to the marina,
grabbed this fire pump, filledup a tank of gas, drove back out
by the time and that would beabout a 20-minute drive no, 15
minutes at 30 mile an hour.
20 minute no, 15 minutes at 30mile an hour.
(49:18):
So you're probably about 10kilometers from Dokis to where
this fire was burning.
It started just as a littlearea like I thought I could put
out with a cooler.
Yeah, about 40 minutes laterwhen I pulled out maybe 35
minutes I could see the smokefor 10 kilometers away.
(49:42):
Wow, like it was raging.
So we got back to that fireRound trip was probably a little
over an hour and it had burnedclose to 10 acres.
Oh my God, it was.
The wind was ridiculous and itwas dry, and there was probably
(50:06):
10 or 12 boats from cottagersRiverview myself Chaudière with
fire pumps that we have at ourcottages up fighting this fire.
But this is a serious like now.
It's a pretty serious fire,yeah, and as soon as we pulled
(50:28):
out of Doquise I could see therewas a helicopter out there, so
they called a water bomber tocome, but they couldn't use it
because there were too manycottagers fighting the fire.
Oh no, and they couldn't dropwater on because we were all
(50:48):
there.
Yeah, yeah, but they weredropping firefighters, like the
helicopter was landing in thebush.
They found a spot where theycould land in the bush and then
firefighters were jumping out ofit with their pumps and they
were putting the pumps in.
So when I pulled in, I pulled into where the fire started,
(51:09):
because it was still burningfairly heavily at the backside,
and put the pump in and started.
I had 200 feet of hose.
So I stretched the first hoseout and whenever you're fighting
fire folks make sure you don'tleave your hose unattended in
the bush, because I near burntBud's hose in half because I
(51:32):
stretched it out, but then thefire burnt up to the hose, burnt
the hose, yeah Right.
So anyway, I started fightingthis fire and the firefighter
come out of the blue.
There was a girl and a guy andthe guy come up, introduced
himself and wanted to know myname.
So I said Steve.
He said can you do me a favor?
(51:53):
I said you want me to get thehell out of your way?
He said no, no, no, no, not atall.
He said our pump site is a veryimportant part of this mission
and our pump we're putting it inright here, basically beside
where I've got mine, and we needyou to make sure that our hose
(52:17):
doesn't burn.
So if you could secure the pumpsite, we'd be very grateful,
because they were taking thehose and walking out and around
and fighting the front of thefire as it's moving right and
pushing it back towards thewater and away from the cottages
(52:37):
, and then there were othercottagers up on the front and on
the other side fighting thefire back as well.
So I spent three hours fightingthis fire and you'd spray and
like with a fairly proper pumpLike I was pumping some gallons
(53:03):
and we were I would spray anacre of land all on the one side
, like I had.
Like I say, I had 200 feet ofhose, so I would fight it on
this side.
By the time I'd get it foughton that side, I'd look over
where I just sprayed and it wasburning again.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
So I'd have to.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah, buddy, it was an experience when I was.
I wasn't too worried.
Like it had already burnt a lotof the trees like higher, so
there wasn't fire much fireabove my head it would.
It had already ripped throughthat part of the bush and burnt
(53:43):
all of the oils out of the pineneedles.
Right, yeah, but on the forestfloor it was in all of that
Spanish moss and dead trees,like the dead hollow trees and
the dead standing trees.
They were all burning Right.
So that's what we did and thefirefighters finally got it
(54:05):
under control around the frontand he come up to me and said
hey, listen, we appreciate youhelping and keeping the pump
site secure.
And you know, because our hosevery well would have burned if
we didn't have somebody here, orwe would have had to put
somebody here.
So, but we got her, we don'twant to keep you, you can go.
(54:30):
And I said to him I said so,were you going to bring the
water bombers?
Because I had no idea, I wasjust interested.
And he said well, we did have acall out to the water bombers,
but because of all the civilianshere, we couldn't drop water.
And I said so is it better, ifthere's a forest fire, that we
(54:57):
just call it in and then leaveit to you, or is it better if
you call it in and do what wedid and everybody comes to help
fight the fire?
And he said oh no, in thissituation, I guarantee you, you
and everybody else on the riverthat come out saved that
(55:19):
person's cottage.
That person's cottage wouldhave burnt down if nobody had
reacted to this fire, the waythat you guys reacted and, like
I say, there was 10, 12 boatsall with fire pumps out there on
a Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Oh, that's lucky that many people were up and about.
Yeah, yeah, oh good for you.
That's hilarious that it wentfrom a cooler size to that so
quick.
Oh my God, that's crazy yeah,and you could tell it was just
like someone's campsite, eh.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
No, I know it was a campsite.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Were the campers around.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
No, I know it was a campsite.
Were the campers around?
No, no, no, it was a fire pit.
You could see there was a firepit with a grill and I don't
know whether it was canoerscoming through and they used it
and they didn't camp there, orcampers that used it and they
left.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
I'm not sure, but it was amazing how I don't think a
lot of I think people who are,you know have a couple of
campfires a year or whatever,and maybe aren't always the ones
in control of them how quicklythey can spark up again.
Because I think people think,like you know, it's so hard to
start a fire intentionally, alot of the times anyways, like
if you don't know what you'redoing, it takes you like an hour
(56:35):
to get it started.
If you're not good at it, yeah.
But so you would think like,okay, there's no way it can just
explode.
But I've had times where, like,I've dumped water on fires,
like cooler after cooler, andyou wake up and it's like
there's still a flame going.
Yeah, like it's not.
You have to be really carefulwith stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
Oh, a hundred percent .
I know from on my island.
I've got a spot where we'vecleared off a big flat rock out
to the left of the cottage and Ihave a fire pit there and I use
that for shore lunches with thebig pan and everything else and
I have a hose that reaches thatfire pit.
(57:15):
That was you know.
I had the hose there.
That's how I decided.
Where I was going to put thefire pit is how far away I can
get with the hose.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
And to have a good campfire that you can cook over.
This year I did it and I stoodwith that hose and I doused
water on it for 15 minutes yeah,To continue to spray it, and
(57:45):
then you know you'd stop, thewater would run out of it and
then the coals that are burningfrom the inside dry off the
charcoal wood and then, with alittle bit of wind, they're
sparking up again.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
And you know, and that was with a hose, and I
washed, I soaked it for 10, 15minutes and then, you know, put
the hose down for 10, 15 minutesand then you know, put the hose
down and I was cleaning up allof the pan from the oil and the
fish fry and the garbage, andyou know I'm doing it myself
(58:25):
because I'm doing it for thekids, yeah, and it starts to
smoke and fire up.
So, yeah, you got to put thosefires out.
Yeah, you got to put them out,especially when you have wind
and you have dry conditions.
And there wasn't even a fireban up there yet, it was on just
(58:47):
before the fire ban.
So I guess it might be red ororange, right, but there was no
fire ban.
So you got to be mindful of it.
Yeah, but listen, dino, thankyou so much for doing this.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Oh, I appreciate you having me.
It's been great coming on here.
I mean, it's crazy.
You've been doing this for overa hundred episodes now.
I think the last time I was onit was like episode nine or
something.
I know I know.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
Wow, now we're episode 112.
Nice, in honor of our goodfriend, chris King.
Yeah, number 12.
So yeah, 112 episodes.
That's a little while, and Idon't think we've missed a week.
No, might have been late on oneor two, but we didn't miss a
week.
Yeah, no one remembers that.
(59:35):
No, hell, no, no, okay, buddy.
Well, listen.
Thank you again, dino, and Ilook forward to seeing you in
the next day or two.
And thank you, folks, forlistening to this point.
If you've got to this point, Ireally appreciate it.
(59:56):
If you've got to this point, Ireally appreciate it.
Dean and Ange and the Fish andCanada crew and the Outdoor
Journal Radio Podcast Networkappreciates it, because without
you, we wouldn't be here doingthis.
And again, if you enjoy thiscontent, like subscribe, send me
messages full of love, and Ilove getting them and I
(01:00:19):
appreciate you all for it.
Thanks to Mr Mancini forproducing once again Lakeside
Marine in Red Lake.
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I am not sure when the bigstuff is going to hit, but it's
going to hit and you need to getin there so that you hit on it.
(01:01:01):
All right, and uh, hey, Ihaven't wished Nixon night night
in a in a little while.
So night night, buddy.
And uh, folks.
Thus brings us to theconclusion of another episode of
Diaries of a Lodge Owner.
Stories of the North.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I was born bending my rock, stretching my line.
Someday I might own a lodge,and that'd be fine.
I'll be making my way the onlyway I know how, working hard and
sharing the north with all ofmy pals.
Well, I'm a good old boy.
(01:01:59):
I bought a lodge and lived mydream, and now I'm here talking
about how life can be as good asit seems.
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Hi everybody.
I'm Angelo Viola and I'm PeteBowman.
Yeah, brand new episode ofOutdoor.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Journal Radio.
Hmm, now, what are we going totalk about for two hours every
week?
Well, you know there's going tobe a lot of fishing.
I knew exactly where those fishwere going to be and how to
catch them, and they were easyto catch.
Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
Yeah, but it's not just a fishing show.
We're going to be talking topeople from all facets of the
outdoors, from athletes, all theother guys would go golfing Me
and Garth and To scientists Tochefs.
(01:03:04):
And whoever else will pick upthe phone Wherever you are.
Outdoor Journal Radio seeks toanswer the questions and tell
the stories of all those whoenjoy being outside.
Find us on Spotify, applePodcasts or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
As the world gets louder and louder, the lessons
of our natural world becomeharder and harder to hear, but
they are still available tothose who know where to listen.
I'm Jerry Ouellette and I washonoured to serve as Ontario's
Minister of Natural Resources.
However, my journey into thewoods didn't come from politics.
(01:03:48):
Rather, it came from my time inthe bush and a mushroom bush
and a mushroom.
In 2015, I was introduced tothe birch-hungry fungus known as
chaga, a tree conch withcenturies of medicinal use by
Indigenous peoples all over theglobe.
(01:04:12):
After nearly a decade of harvestuse, testimonials and research,
my skepticism has faded toobsession and I now spend my
life dedicated to improving thelives of others through natural
means.
But that's not what the show isabout.
My pursuit of the strangemushroom and my passion for the
outdoors has brought me to theplaces and around the people
that are shaped by our naturalworld.
On Outdoor Journal Radio's,under the Canopy podcast, I'm
(01:04:35):
going to take you along with meto see the places, meet the
people.
That will help you find youroutdoor passion and help you
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