September 24, 2025 • 64 mins
Angelo Viola and Dean Taylor join us at Lodge 88 on Esnagi Lake for an exciting fishing adventure, sharing strategies and stories while filming for the 40th season of Fish'n Canada.
• Live bait versus hard baits debate for northern lake walleye fishing
• Understanding migration patterns of baitfish to locate predator fish
• Following food sources like herring, suckers, and ciscos that attract game fish
• East Coast tuna fishing experiences and the highly regulated nature of the fishery
• Traditional fishing techniques using anchors and marker buoys when electronics aren't available
• The physical and mental challenge of fighting large fish for extended periods
• Boat control strategies when fishing without spot-lock trolling motors
• The importance of hiring local guides to quickly learn productive fishing spots
Join us for our next adventure as we put these strategies to the test and see whether live bait or hard baits will prove more effective for Esnagi Lake walleye.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
the excitement build-up is like intoxicating
right getting out there andgetting all set and steaming out
to these places and and you're,you're, just, you're in a daze
that whole time and then all ofa sudden it hits right and
you've got that instantadrenaline rush for sure.
And then about an hour into it,you don't want to be anywhere
(00:31):
near where you are.
You want to go home.
You're whimpering like a littlechild.
You want to go home.
The fight is extraordinary,just beyond words, because every
muscle in your body is requiredfor that next four hours, five
hours that you're on the end ofthat ride.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
This week on the Outdoor Journal Radio Podcast
Network's Diaries of a LodgeOwner Stories of the North.
We are in the north and it isjust like Christmas for me and
hopefully for my guests, angeloViola and Dean Taylor.
Yay, yes, fellas, welcome tothe show.
(01:10):
I know I'm extremely excitedabout this one.
We are as live as you can getin the moment on a snoggy lake
at Lodge 88.
Legendary Lodge 88.
Legendary.
Yes, and listen.
Dean, thank you for running theequipment today.
(01:31):
Oh, you're welcome.
I'm happy to be here and,angelo, it is an absolute
pleasure to have you on thepodcast today.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And it's a pleasure to be pleasured.
Oh, how's that?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, I like that, I like that.
And do you remember the lasttime we did a show together?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh, boy, oh boy, oh boy.
This is like when I hunt for myEaster eggs.
Now, I'm the one who plantsthem, but I forget where the
hell I put them Wasn't?
That was it a while ago.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I don't recall it was episode number one.
Oh, that's the last time it wason the show.
Yes, Whoa what the hell's goingon?
Yes, I know We've turned 100and we keep on rolling.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Holy smokes.
Yes, where have I been I?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
know I've been looking, and, looking and
looking and finally I find youat Lodge 88.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Angelo has come back to his snoggy lake.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yes, and you know what, buddy, back in the day at
Chaudière, when you come up andwe really began to build a
wonderful relationship.
For me, our relationship hasspawned out of Chaudière and,
more importantly, the TorontoMaple Leafs.
(02:52):
Oh my God, but you always hadtold me that, listen, you have
the bones here, you're doing awonderful job and already I
would suggest that you're on thetop side of the lodges in the
(03:14):
province.
But Lodge 88 is one that youshould look at.
Yep, lodge 88 has got thingsfigured out and I really took it
to heart.
And coming to Lodge 88 for thefirst time to do a Fish and
Canada shoot is what we're doing.
(03:34):
For those of you out there whoI didn't explain the situation,
why we're here yes, we'reshooting an episode of the Fish
and Canada television show 40thseason coming up, baby 40th
season and I was so excited andthankful that I was included in
(03:59):
the shoot.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
How could we not include you?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Because how could we not include you?
Well, you never know, I neverknow.
Hold on, nick.
I'm pretty sure Uncle Ange isasking for.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uncle.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Grandpa, uncle, grandpa, uncle, grandpa, uncle
Grandpa is asking for a cigar.
There you go, yes, and I mightJoin me be one myself, all right
.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think I want to do that because I want this memory
to linger, to have us doing that?
Yes, I think it would be cool,absolutely.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Sorry to disrupt you.
Go ahead, there's nointerrupting here.
Finally I get to come and I hadbuilt an image in my mind from
what you had told me and and Iresearched lodge 88 on uh online
and and looked at the websiteand uh got to know dave
mclaughlin and terry very welljust through sportsmen, like the
(04:54):
sports shows and tourismsummits and and all of that
stuff and and um I to tell you,the first time I walked into our
cottage, even after everythingthat I had built in my mind.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was still blown away.
Did you notice?
There are no cobwebs anywhere?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like how do?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
you do that.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, I know exactly how you do it because I tried.
It's a wonderful housekeepingstaff.
Oh my God, you tried.
It's a wonderful housekeepingstaff.
Oh my God, you know it's awonderful housekeeping staff.
And Jennifer, the girl that'sbeen looking after our cottage,
has done a wonderful.
Yes, thank you.
Nick has done a wonderful jobat doing that, like I mean,
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every day the tile floor ispolished.
It's crazy.
Yes, you walk in and it lookslike it's a wet floor, but it's
not.
And um, she even folded dean'sclothes well, I think there's a.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I didn't get my clothes folded.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Okay, oh, I got mine folded and like I mean, we were
talking about it yesterday and Ihad the perfect caper planned
out here and Jennifer had foldedDean's clothes that he left on
the floor.
So we wondered if she was doingthat for everybody, because
(06:23):
Dean is a young, strapping,finely chiseled young man Can't
play poker with a ship, butthat's okay.
And I thought to myself well, Isaid to Dean when we were in
our room, I said I'm putting mypants on the floor to see if she
folds mine too.
And then Dean walked down tothe dock and we had a little
(06:46):
quick conversation where Deansaid I wonder if she won't go in
my dirty clothes bag or nothinglike that.
And um, as I was walking out thedoor, the epiphany hit me and I
went back into our room and Ipulled every piece of dirty
clothes off the floor, out ofhis bag, his underwear,
everything, and I folded themnicely and I placed them on the
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bed so that when Jennifer comein to make the beds, obviously
she would fold all of that stuffnicely.
And I wanted to see Dean'sreaction.
And what happened?
Dean blew it.
Dean went back up to blow hisnose and he come down with a big
fat grin on his face and lookedat me and said Jennifer's been
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in our room already and hebusted me, but I got to give it
to you, dino, you were a littlebit disappointed that you found
it.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I was.
It would have been great.
I ruined it.
Yeah, that would have been agood memory.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, do you get underwear service quite often
when you're traveling on theroad.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Not very often.
No, no, no, I room with Nicknormally.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
There's no underwear service when it comes to Nick
and you right, okay, I got you.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I'm not even sure if there's underwear involved.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Not much, atta boy, yeah, so this fishing experience
, I'm excited we're going to besampling it here in the next few
days.
Yes, and the boys on the dockand this is the way it always
works with us.
Yeah, we come into a place, wego into a place and there's
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people inevitably leaving, andthey had caught some monsters on
crankbaits, no doubt.
And the whole way here I washearing how the live bait
sponsored by God is going to bethe way we go.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think it's safe to say, on most of these northern
lakes, the tendency is to justdrop a jig with a minnow or a
worm or drop shot one of thoseitems because that's just the
way it's done.
Because that's just the wayit's done, right?
Yeah, and very few people comeinto a remote lake and bring all
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of their arsenal of hard baitsand soft plastics and whatnot,
especially when you got to comein on a plane.
So I told Steve you know what,we're going to depart from the
normal on this episode and weare going to do a live bait show
.
We are going to go into asnoggy episode and we are going
to do a live bait show.
We are going to go into asnoggy lake and we are going to
do the norm just drop chunks oflive food and have at it like
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everybody else, and that was thegame plan.
Coming in, and then, like stevesaid, we met this group that
was just going out.
They had been here for fourdays and of course, they
recognized us and said hey guys,guys, how you doing?
Let me show you what we've beenup to.
And they started showing uspictures of these 27, 28-inch
walleye, big fat fall walleye,and they had caught every single
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one of them on hard baits, sowe had to change game plan.
Well, we haven't completelychanged yet.
We'll find out tomorrow when weget out on the water.
We'll definitely throw a fewhard baits now, though.
Yeah, because those pitcherswere just stunning.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
And the problem is it throws you right off.
Oh, completely it throws you.
It threw me off.
I was like, well, I'm stickingto the plan.
I want to be involved with livebait.
You're going to go with that?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yes, and the reason why don't we split up and do
both?
Why don't we challengeourselves?
Why don't you and Dean go offand do the normal thing that
happens here on the Snoggy LakeBring yourselves a bunch of
minnows and a bunch of worms andhave at it.
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That's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
And.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Nick and I will go out and throw some of the
hardware that we brought.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, because I've already got it set up in my mind
.
Live bait is something that isvery, very familiar to me
because that's the way we fishwalleye on the French.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, that's a good example.
Like did anybody come up to theFrench to throw, you know, body
baits or crankbaits?
No, not for walleye.
No, Not for walleye.
It's unheard of.
Yeah, bass muskie pike, that'sa different story Now do you
think that's because walleye ismore of a meat industry, in that
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people would go to your placeor this place, for example, and
really their only purpose is tobe able to catch their limit
every day and do a shore lunchevery day?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I'm going to say not so much anymore.
No, I think the reason thatlive bait is, uh, still
predominantly used because and I, and the reason I say not
anymore because um at Shodier,very quickly into my tenure we,
we did away with um with thetake fish home game.
(12:00):
We didn't, we didn't.
We, we encouraged people not totake fish home and that quickly
disappeared.
But the live bait did not.
And I think it's more, at leaston that body of water, to access
walleye during the hours thatwe fish for our guides is, say,
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8 o'clock in the morning untilfour in the afternoon, and
they're deep.
They're deep.
You can get them on crankbaitsin the evening as the sun's
going down, because thosewalleye that are hanging out in
schools at this time of yearwe're finding them in 35 to 40
feet and they can even go deeperthan that depending on the
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weather.
We don't chase them any deeperthan that and that's because of
the damage that it can do to thefish when you pull them up too
quick.
But it's the depth and the bestway to do it is with a jig,
with a jig yeah, and it's fast.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Right, it's fast, it's efficient, very efficient
for a fish.
100% Out of curiosity, though,you must have had people going
out after supper to fish on theriver, absolutely, and I'm
assuming that they would havebeen more likely to throw hard
baits.
Yeah, oh yeah.
And my question to you is wouldthey be fishing walleye in, say
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, six feet of water?
At that point, do they come up?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
that high on the French.
Six feet on the French is thebest way I can answer.
That is, six feet of water onthe French River is a very scary
depth for a lodge owner.
Oh, I got you, because whenyou're actually trolling or
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you're in areas where you're insix feet of water, the engines
take a shit kicking.
Take a shit kicking, yeah, andum, so you discour.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
What you're telling me is that you artificially
change that.
Uh, hard bait fishery.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, like they could be in six or they could be in
15, and I preferred 15.
But yeah, they do come up uh,sure, um, uh myself, uh, I, a
good friend uh of ours Tony, agood friend of ours, tony
DiBattista.
He always wanted to go out andfish and the evening time was
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always a nice time to go out,and we would go out and cast
shoals that would top out inthree, four feet and drop down
into deeper water and you docatch them on those shoals.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
One of the best experiences and it wasn't one
time but we used to do it quiteoften actually was late in the
year, depending on the weather,depending on the geography.
But there is a period of timelate in the year, usually
October, if you get some frosthappening, some cold nights
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happening, where you get used toget not so much anymore a frog
migration.
You've told me about this, I'mtelling you, the walleye fishery
during that migration period,if you can hit it on point, it
is phenomenal Because we used touse topwater baits for them.
No, I'm not kidding you, Really, for walleye and huge walleye
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would work the shorelineswaiting for these critters to
pop in, and it was nuts and itwould last for about five days,
six days, you know, seven daysat the most.
But you had to have reliableintel locally to call you up and
say, hey, I think, from what Ican tell, the migration is going
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to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And you had to be on location tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But oh my God, and it was anighttime thing, never during
the day, so it would usuallystart at night and, holy shit,
I'm telling you one of thegreatest walleye experiences
that anybody could have.
I would.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You know well, topwater fishing in general is
one of the greatest experiencesthat any angler can have.
But for walleye, that would beoutstanding.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't know what's happening with frogs.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm going back to aperiod of time where it was
still acceptable to be sellingand buying frogs for bass
fishing.
You know, you buy a dozen livefrogs and, you know, throw a
hook in one of their legs andlet them swim out and boom, but
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I'm not noticing as many frogsin our environment as there used
to be no.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Maybe that's all gone .
It is weird for sure, and thosemigrational patterns that
happen are magic.
Oh you know.
Can you think of any other onesoff the top of your head?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, I mean, depending on the area, certainly
still to this day the migrationthat happens on the Bay of
Quinty for walleye is stillphenomenal.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yes, it has changed over the years.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It has changed, but it's still phenomenal.
Yes, make no mistake about it,and it's all dependent on
migration to food, likeeverything else is in the world
of fish and water clarity.
I think Water clarity haschanged it significantly.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Because that is a fishery I hold near and dear to
my heart.
When, right from the early 90s,I had friends that would go and
fish, picton Harbor inparticular, and we didn't even
have a boat.
But again, it's that late, latefall we would start thinking
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about it, about the thirdweekend, because that's the only
times that we had access to inNovember and we would fish right
off of the government dock,right across from tip of the bay
, and we would also fish thePrince Edward Yacht Club docks.
Yeah, that was crazy.
(18:15):
Oh, that first green buoy.
We always dreamed about gettingout there because we would see
boats anchored out there fishing, but right off the docks.
And I made a point for yearsnot to tell people how many fish
over 10 pounds I caught becausenobody would believe me.
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But we would go there and intwo days, back in the heyday,
right off those docks, you couldcatch, you know eight or ten
walleye between you know, nineand fourteen pounds each, all
nighttime, eh, all nighttime.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
All nighttime.
That's the thing about thatfishery.
It's low light or no light.
Yeah, dean, did we not have anexperience recently, in the last
couple of years, and the namethat comes to mind is the Bell
River?
Yeah, and that was a migrationfishery Suckers were migrating.
(19:18):
Yeah, that was a sucker spawn.
Tell us about that one, becausethat was another great,
exciting adventure we had.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yeah, we didn't really know what was going on
actually in there, but we knewthere would be bait fish in that
area and the only reason wewere in there was because the
river used to be a spawning sitefor walleye, right, but there
was some, I think, a gold mineor something up there.
Some sort of mining industrywas letting their tailing ponds
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into the river.
The water temperatures werechanging and the sediment was
changing.
Then the walleye weren't ableto spawn but the mines and the
government kind of came togetherto clean it all up and we
wanted to check it out becausewe heard the walleye were back
and when we got in there,suckers were mostly what we were
finding.
But then behind them were pikeand behind them were walleye,
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and behind them were walleye andbehind them were smallmouth and
everything was just eating allthe eggs.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It was amazing.
Yeah, the reason we found outthat that's what we because we
didn't know, we went in and thenwe saw this separation of
suckers, walleye, smallmouth andpike.
We couldn't get it.
We didn't understand because itwas fall right and we didn't
quite get the picture until wecaught a pike and lifted it into
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the boat and it spewed suckereggs all over the deck of FNC1.
The pike were eating the suckereggs.
The pike were eating them.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah everything was eating them.
Everything, everything in thelake.
Wow, yeah, everything waseating them.
Everything, everything in thelake, wow.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, everything in the lake was coming into this
thing called the Bell River, andthey were in there just gorging
on sucker eggs.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Wow it's got to be a way.
Healthy source of food, proteingalore, the protein, the
nutrients that they're getting.
Sure, why not?
That's a great story.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it was nuts, and the smallmouth fishing was
just phenomenal.
Oh my God.
We were fishing like two feetof water with the boat, trying
to get around the rocks and theobstacles and just throwing
anything.
You could literally throwanything in the water and the
smallmouth were just explodingon it.
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I love that and that's whatthey were doing.
They were in there all feedingon and I'm sure that's a pattern
that probably happens on a lotof lakes, but nobody would think
about it.
Right?
Who thinks about following thesucker spawn to find a predator
fish?
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:45):
and no one really knows anything about them.
That's because species you kindof ignore, like you don't you
know, study their behavior,study their movements and
understand where they'remigrating, they're just species
that you just don't associatewith anything.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, they're not even a sport fish it's yeah well
, they're well, they'reforage-based but it's funny how
we associate recreationalfishing with what we call sport
fish, and that's a fish that hasbeen designated by a body to be
a sport fish.
If it doesn't have thedesignation, we don't seem to be
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interested.
Carp comes to mind, one of themost underutilized fishery, in
my opinion, in North Americait's certainly not in the rest
of the world, but certainly here.
Because it's not categorized asa sport fish, we don't want to
go after it.
And suckers are right up there,in my opinion, of a fish that
is just as good a fighter it'sjust as.
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I mean you can get giantsuckers, yeah, how big do they
get?
That's a great question.
Any thoughts?
Dean.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I remember you were holding one up next to a like
two-pound smallie and they werekind of similar in size.
Yes, so like Two to threepounds.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, like 14 inches, 15 inches maybe, something like
that.
Yeah, and I'm sure there arevarious species of suckers, we
just don't know anything aboutthem.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, but we were even having trouble identifying
them at a certain point, like wewere all debating, because we
know there's types of like.
When you're like, when we studya lake we look at you know all
the sport fish that are in itand all the other species that
are named you don't really payattention to.
And there's so many of thoseLike.
I think we had a guy on outdoorjournal radio a few months ago
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who was like a soccer fishermanfrom minnesota.
You remember that show and yeah,and he was saying there's, like
you know, dozens of species ofthem and he's trying to catch
them all and do this big tourcatching them.
So we were all debating whateven kind it was and it took us
a while to figure it out.
Wow, yeah, but fishing isfishing right, I mean that's
absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I know that um, one of the migrations that uh, we uh
focus on a lot, um, and I'mspeaking to the um muskie uh
community is, uh, especially onthe on the french and nipissing,
are the ciscos, right, theciscos and the and the cisco
migration has been a focus forPat and myself who,
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recreationally, and my sonRayburn, now recreationally fish
muskies and one of the keyfactors that we always think
about are the ciscos and whereare they and how do they move,
move and where do they move atcertain times of the day and
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light conditions?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's all key, as well as anglers.
We're not focusing on the rightareas when it comes to trying
to figure out how to catchpredator fish, because what we
should be doing is studyingtheir food.
We should get a better handleon their food and how it
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migrates and how it works,because chances are real good if
you find the movement of food,pattern it down, yeah yeah,
you're going to have an awfullot easier time figuring out the
predator.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
For sure.
And I'll throw one more factorinto that that nobody really
thinks about.
If you were to apply it to themale species of human beings, it
would be a lot clearer.
But you've got food and you'vegot sex, because the spawn and
eating are two of the paramountpillars in a fish species' life.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And it doesn't matter how much water they have to
wander through, even like takethis lake, for example, behind
us, this snoggy lake, a hugelake, about 90% of this water
will not hold fish Absolutely.
And it's all based on those twofactors you just mentioned they
have to eat and they have toreproduce.
Figure that out and you justeliminated the majority of the
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water, 100%.
So I wanted to bring outanother great example of
following the food and findingthe predator.
And you're going to experienceit for the first time, and I
think you too, dean, for thefirst time.
We're going tuna fishing in NovaScotia in the weeks ahead, and
it is one of the great migrationstories of all time.
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I mean these fish, these giantthousand pound tunas.
They come from a million milesaway and they're in an area
because of food.
Right, yeah, it's going tocoincide.
Well, you two just experiencedthat on that tuna festival
Wedgeport, wedgeport, wedgeport,nova Scotia.
The tuna come in to feed on theherring and if you can find
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where those giant herring ballsare, you're going to find tuna
chasing them down Absolutely,and it was interesting there too
they're doing a lot of workright out of this tiny little
town of Wedgeport.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
The lobster fishermen predominantly also have tuna
licenses because it's a very,very controlled fishery.
There's quota, it's a science.
There's barcodes on yourlicense which have to be affixed
to the fish.
And not only that, you've gotto hail in immediately to the
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DFO, highly regulated when youhook them, and one of the
captains was telling me that tothe point where when you hail
them in, the DFO might show upon the ship before you get them
into the boat.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, we had that happen to us a few years ago,
that's right.
Yeah, by the time we got thetuna, you know, even relatively
close to the boat, we had threeDFO vessels circling us.
And they do that because theywant to make sure that all the
regulations have been met.
And, in fact, funny because onthat particular shoot the
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captain had screwed up a littlebit, uh-oh, but we were okay.
I mean, it wasn't a reallyegregious offense, but he had
dropped the ball on somethingand they came on board.
This was like a militaryoperation man.
They came on board and scaredthe shit out of us and they took
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him aside and read him the riotact and fortunately it wasn't a
bad enough offense that therewere any charges laid.
But they're very serious.
And the tuna you just mentioned, they have a barcode.
They have a barcode in thesense that when that first call
is made to DFO and you tell themthat you're hooked up, they
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designate a number to that fishAutomatically in their computer
system.
That fish has a serial number.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think it's already designated before they catch it,
because I watched when you getyour quota, they've got a
certain amount of tags, andmaybe I'm wrong.
Maybe you're right.
You have to hook up with it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Once you hook up then that boat that's how they
figure out the quota.
That boat has now got a fishwith an ID number.
Yeah, and they will follow thatthrough from the hookup to the
catch, to the processing andright to the final market.
They'll follow that barcode allthe way through.
(29:39):
Yeah, oh, it's crazy, butthat's.
I only brought that up becauseto see it in full bloom, to see
that and it coincides the tunafishery in PEI I'm not sure
about Kanso, where we're going,but in PEI the tuna season opens
on the final day of the herringharvest.
(30:02):
Oh, really, right, yeah.
So what happens is the tunafishermen will go to the
flotilla of herring boats yeah,herring boats, and there's like
a million of them out there andyou show up at daylight with
your tuna boat and you've gotall of these trawlers, big
(30:26):
trawlers, that are cleaningtheir nets because they've been
fishing for the last 10 days andgetting thousands and thousands
of pounds of herring andthey're literally falling off
the boats and falling off thenets.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
We experienced that AD, Did you see it?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, yeah.
And so if you get close to them, all of a sudden, you realize,
holy shit, look at the tuna.
Yeah, they're surrounded, theflotilla is surrounded by giant
tuna.
And those tuna are therebecause they're getting the last
little bit of herring that theherring boats are dropping off
their boats.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, and the herring boats were actually inviting
the anglers over like the tunaguys.
They were all on the radios andthey were telling each other
where the tuna were and tellingthem to come over and all that.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, it's a wonderful community out there.
Yeah, yeah, it was great.
And Eric Jacquard was the nameof the lobster boat captain, who
is one of the only people outon the East Coast aside from is
(31:35):
it Captain Bill?
We're going with Captain Billout of Canso, nova Scotia.
Yes, he has a live releasepermit for tuna and they're very
rare, but he said that he hadtagged more tuna than anybody on
the East Coast.
And the information that theyfound they found a spawning
(31:59):
ground that they had no ideaexisted, where, and it was up in
the Northern Atlantic byFinland, the Scandinavian
countries.
Really, they had no idea thatit even existed.
And now they're taking out theotoliths out of the little
(32:23):
jewels I call them because thesheephead have the big jewels,
but these tiny wee, I'm going tocall them pearls, like stones
and the DFO.
While we were there, while theywere harvesting the tuna in the
Wedgeport tournament, they weretaking those otoliths and using
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the DNA to backtrack that fishto find out what colony or
school that they were comingfrom, to try and track where
they are, what the stocks arelike, the health of the tuna
stocks, and it was extremelyinteresting, wow, and what a
(33:12):
well-oiled machine thistournament was.
These fish would come out ofthe and it was catch and keep.
Obviously the government haddonated a certain amount of
quota to or I shouldn't saydonate extended a certain amount
of quota to the tournamentitself, extended a certain
amount of quota to thetournament itself and then to
(33:33):
grow the tournament, all of theboats involved would donate some
of their quota to up the catchand all of the tuna that was
being harvested was being soldby one of the local brokers who
was donating his time, and allof the money from that went to
(33:53):
the Wedgeport Tuna Museum.
Oh cool, and what a wonderfulcommunity.
And these tuna would be cranedout of the boats.
They had already gutted them onthe water.
But there was a guy just tomake sure that they didn't leave
an extra piece of meat in therefor the weight, for the weight
right sure that they didn'tleave an extra piece of meat in
there for the weight, for theweight right.
And they pulled them out withthe head on, took them by a
(34:16):
forklift over to the grandstandand they hung them there for the
crowd to see they come straightdown.
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It sounds barbaric.
Everything you're saying now tosomebody who doesn't fish or
doesn't, you know, is not asportsman.
It sounds a little barbaric.
But first of all, this has beengoing on since the beginning of
time.
Tuna has been a source ofprotein and sustenance globally,
a very important one from thebeginning of time, albeit
(34:44):
probably not regulated earlyenough, but now that it's highly
regulated it's a perfectlysustainable industry and the
proof is a trip to Nova Scotiaor PEI and experience what you
guys experienced at the TunaFestival and you know that this
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creature is being well managed.
There's more tuna than you canshake a stick at in our waters
here in Canada.
Yeah, I don't know about therest of the world, I can't
attest to that, but as far asthe Canadian tuna blue fishery
it is blue tuna fishery.
It is just unbelievable,absolutely.
And so few fish are actuallybeing harvested out of the big
(35:29):
picture.
It's not an issue.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It was a well-oiled machine, to the point that the
tuna that they harvested weregoing to the open market within
a day.
Oh yeah, it's scary.
Before the end of thetournament, and as soon as a
boat caught a tuna, they had tobring it in, and before the end
of the tournament there weretuna going all over the world
(35:54):
from that location and it was awonderful experience.
And I'll end this part of theconversation.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Go ahead, how far from Prince Edward Island?
Is that place that you guyswere at?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
It's the opposite end .
Yeah, you'd have to go acrossthe whole coast of nova scotia
and then and then around, andthen around, yeah so this is a
whole different pod of fish thatthat I experienced.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Uh on p, it could actually be.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I don't know, um, if it's totally different, because
the, the fish that they wereexperiencing in like the heyday
of wedgeboard, have all movedout okay, and they moved out
quite far, like the.
The furthest people wererunning in this turn.
It was like 15 hours offshore.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh my God, so it could have actually been.
What was the name of the spot?
The Hell Hole.
The Hell Hole, yeah, oh my God.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Yes, aptly named, I'm sure because if you go out
there, you're a real man.
Absolutely yes.
So it's still like a hub forwhere all the anglers are, but
they're not necessarily stayingnear Wedgeport.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Yeah, but regardless that community and tournament
and everything around it wassuch a breath of fresh air.
I cannot tell you folks, if youare from small town Canada
(37:16):
anywhere and you're longing forthat same feel, book yourself a
trip for the week to go toWedgeport and make sure you take
a little bit of Pepto-Bismoland aspirin or Tylenol, because
the party at the end by the byG's.
(37:37):
I'll tell you what she was acracker Jack.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It reminds me of that great movie, 300.
Oh yeah, what was his name?
Leonidas, the main character,leon.
What was his name?
Leonidas or the the?
The, the main leader.
The main character said have ahearty breakfast, men, because
tonight you'll be dining at thegates of hell, yeah.
And I'm sure that's what it isgoing out, 15 hours into the
(38:04):
Atlantic in the fall.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Some of the roughest water in the world.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Huge seas yeah, what a great experience.
Hopefully we'll we'll tastesome of richest water in the
world.
Oh my God, huge seas yeah, whata great experience.
Hopefully we'll taste some ofthat here in the weeks to come.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, well, I did sit in one of those fighting chairs
and Eric, who was a big man,grabbed the end of the rod, just
gave you a sample.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He gave me a sample and I'll tell you what I couldn
imagine uh trying to reel in auh seven, eight, nine hundred
pound fish it is beyond words,my friend, beyond the words, to
the point where the excitementbuild-up is like intoxicating,
(38:47):
right getting out there andgetting all set and steaming out
to these places and and you'reyou and you're in a daze that
whole time and then all of asudden it hits right and you've
got that instant adrenaline rushfor sure.
And then about an hour into ityou don't want to be anywhere
(39:09):
near where you are.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
You want to go home.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
You're whimpering like a little child, you want to
go home.
You're whimpering like a littlechild, you want to go home.
The fight is extraordinary,just beyond words.
And the problem is the captainis barking at you because in
most cases, that's for him,that's his income, right, yeah,
that's food.
So if you aren't exhibiting allof your manliness and, by the
(39:32):
way, I say manliness because Ibelieve that in order to do well
in that industry not sayingthat you can't be anything but a
man, but I'll tell you, it sureas hell helps, because every
muscle in your body is requiredfor that next four hours, five
(39:53):
hours that you're on the end ofthat rod.
And if you screw up, thatcaptain is bark, he's like a
drill sergeant, he's in your earand he's shouting, he's
spitting all over you and thefish is just angry as hell.
And you were caught in thisvortex of pain, enjoyment,
(40:19):
suffering, anxiety.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
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Speaker 4 (42:13):
I've got a quick question because I know at least
in the first Wedgeporttournament because it was
revived, it died out because ofthe fishery in 76 and was not
revived again until 2002 or oneD, somewhere in that
neighborhood, I think.
(42:33):
Three, three Um.
Before that when it was a trulyum international tournament and
Wedgeport, a town with maybe500 people in it, was known as
the tuna capital of the world.
Um, in this tournament therewere strict rules that whoever
(42:57):
is holding the rod to catch thefish was not allowed to spell
somebody else in.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
There was no substitution On the Fishing
Canada boat.
There is a substitution.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Not only is it allowed but it's encouraged.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay, courage, okay, because Peter and I uh, yeah, we
were, we just didn't don't havethe stature to be able to
wrestle one of those things inon our own.
And so, yeah, we spelled eachother and one time we took
Roland Martin down there toexperience it as well.
So three of us uh worked.
How did Roland do?
Uh, oh good.
Well, you could imagine howexcited the whole time he was on
(43:37):
the rod.
You know whatever number oftimes he was up to bat.
It was like turning on the TVback in the 70s and Roland is
just being Roland man.
It was sick, it was a greatexperience.
And he said this was thegreatest fight of his life
getting that I think it was 837pounds Dressed, by the way, Wow
(44:03):
Dressed.
He said it was the greatestthing that he'll ever do, and I
believe him.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I'm very, very excited.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Now.
We may not catch a fish, by theway.
Pete and I have been down thereonce, yeah, once, before we've
been down there and not caught afish.
We saw, oh I don't know, 200 ofthem.
We couldn't get one hookup andwe spent three days in the big
rough seas trying to get thataccomplished and we didn't, uh,
(44:33):
we didn't make it.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
I um, I don't want to encourage or decourage anything
, but in the Wedgeporttournament there were 20 tuna
boats in the tournament and,mind you, we had a hurricane
that blew past the east coast.
It didn't make landfall, wedidn't even feel effects for the
(44:56):
most part there, but only 12 ofthe 20 actually hooked up.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Actually, that's a lot higherthan I would have thought.
To be honest with you, I wouldhave thought that maybe 20 to
25% hookup rate would beacceptable, but you guys are
telling me that you know almosthalf of, if not a little more
than half.
That's great.
I think that just shows you howthat industry is doing.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's not easy.
You'll see them.
You'll see them, but gettingthem to bite is a whole other
thing, a different story.
How the hell did we get on?
I thought this was Diaries of aLodge Owner.
Well, this is Diaries at itsfinest.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
We go where the conversation takes us.
So on that note, I'd like to,before we wrap things up, just
for the benefit of everybody,why don't we talk a little bit
about our fishing strategies,that we're going to go out with
how in our minds at this point,because I know once the rubber
(46:03):
hits the road and we're outthere, things change.
You've kind of alluded to thefact that Dean and I are going
to be the live bait specialists.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I think, so I'm throwing that out there.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
It just dawned on me I appreciate that and the wheels
have been turning since youmentioned it and you're going to
be the hard bait guy and I'massuming that it's going to be
Yozuri and Crystal Minnow area.
I'm going to talk a little bitabout how I want to, how my
(46:39):
ideas and Dean.
This speaks to you as well,because we're in it together.
I'm going to talk about a littlebit of strategy on finding and
catching these fish, and I'm alittle disappointed in myself
for forgetting one of the mostimportant tools to this type of
(47:06):
fishing live bait fishing to me,and it's something that has
kind of become redundant in myfishing at home, because I have
the luxury at home, because Ihave the luxury and and this is
great for all you folks outthere that that are looking to
enjoy, um, uh, uh, an experiencelike this where you can't bring
(47:28):
your own gear, you're in arental boat, um and uh, you
don't know what electronics arelike.
We've got that part covered,but and uh, but where we're
lacking, where I have at home,number one is a trolling motor.
Right, because spot lock whenyou're vertical fishing is a
(47:52):
huge, huge benefit, but not animpossibility to get around here
, but not an impossibility toget around here.
And number two this is whereI'm very disappointed in myself
coming to this fishery andleaving my marker buoys behind.
I never even thought of that.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Well.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
I'm going to search out Terry and see if I can bum
some marker buoys, becausethey're going to become
important for sure.
Well, the way that I wouldattack this lake not being on it
number one folks.
Intel is important, so do alittle bit of research on the
(48:34):
place you're going if youhaven't been Number two.
Like we started off the showwith people leaving as you're
coming, talk to them, Find outwhat they're doing, Find out
spots All of the lodges.
Their goal is for you to catchfish, so they're going to give
you spots.
(48:55):
Best thing to do is take aguide for a day for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I was just going to say that that is the most
important thing to do is hire aguide, no matter where you are.
Hire a guide for at least a day, or half a day, if they're
available for half days, and usethat half day to not only to
find locations on thatparticular body of water, but
(49:22):
that guide has a wealth ofinformation that you can glean
from him.
If you keep your ears open andyour mouth shut, you can get a
whole lot of intel that will doyou well for any future fishing
endeavor that you've got.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
And eyes Watch what they do.
Future fishing endeavor thatyou've got.
And eyes Watch what they do.
Watch, because sometimes you'llget guides that can't convey.
It's very hard to explain whatthey're feeling, but if you can
watch what they're doing, that'svery important.
But I'm going to assume that weare going to attack this lake
without a guide?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Well, because location One of the things that
the guide can give you that youcannot get on your own in your
short stay, whether it's threedays, four days, five days you
can't get migrational patternsof these fish, absolutely you
cannot get all the locations offish on a body of water.
So what you should be gettingfrom that guide first and
foremost is, if not his bestlocations, certainly locations
(50:20):
where you stand a chance ofcatching fish.
Because, my friend, as I'vesaid a million times, you can be
the best angler in the world,you can have the best equipment
in the world, you can have theconfidence, experience.
All the things that we spew onon the fishing canada show that
you need as a successful angler.
You can have all that in spades, but if you're not on top of
(50:42):
fish, you're just wasting yourtime.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
It's pretty tough to catch fish in a swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Exactly so.
Most important that you can getfrom a guide or a local or the
lodge owner is location.
Put that in your pocket first.
Yeah, and that's where hiring aguide is going to pay off in
spades, cause I'll guarantee you, if you've got him for a day,
you're going to get five or sixof his prime spots and you're
going to learn more in a daythan you would on your own in
(51:11):
five years, right?
Speaker 4 (51:14):
So, having said that, um, I'm going to quickly throw
down an idea, dino, and throw inany thoughts that you have, but
this is something that I woulddo to find fish on a new lake.
Number one ask for an anchor,because an anchor is key when
(51:36):
you don't have your.
I hate using it.
I hate using anchors.
Yeah, I get it, I get it, butyou get a little bit of wind,
and a drift is a nightmare, andthen having an engine constantly
running and bumping it intoreverse yeah, but hang on, hang
on.
Hang on, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
This is a debate that Pete and I have all the time.
Okay, Because we're I'm analabout it.
Pete's not quite as bad, butI'm very aware of any intrusive
sounds that I bring into thatenvironment, whether it's a
motor, even the electrictrolling motor.
To be honest with you,Sometimes I think we spook fish
with that.
I believe that when you drop ananchor into a
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pressure-sensitive spot and youplop that anchor down into the
water, I think there's a certainamount of disturbance that
happens.
that we have no idea how themagnitude of it right.
And so if you are going to beusing an anchor and you're
dropping that anchor in, say, 15, 20 feet of water, you have to
(52:39):
be prepared that any fish withinclose proximity was alerted.
I would say within 100 feet ofyou.
Within 100 feet of you, fishare going to know that something
was just dropped into theirworld.
Yeah, and so if you are goingto be anchoring over top of a
(52:59):
place, you need to let it airout for a while.
You don't expect to drop yourbait and you're going to catch
fish immediately.
I do it all the time.
I know and you know what elseyou do.
You know what else guides doall the time they leave their
engine running.
How many guides?
Speaker 4 (53:15):
And I agree with an engine running as long as it's a
consistent sound, but when youclick it into gear and click it
out of gear and click it, intogear.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
But that's what they do, that's what guides.
Do you know that?
Yeah, yeah, they'll ease you,they'll back you in, they'll
forward, they'll hold you onthat spot.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Well, I'll tell you what?
It's a hell of a lot easier tokeep the light and the sun in
the right spot to shoot whenyou're doing one of these shows,
when you're anchored up andyou're not fighting wind in a
back trolling situation.
Dino, you're going to drivethis one because I'm going to
sit on the bow like a princess.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
See, nick and I are going to have, in my opinion,
the easier of the two in termsof boat control, because we're
going to, because we're going totroll.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
We're going to troll.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
So the only thing we have to worry about is that when
we hook up, we've got to be alittle more sensitive to the sun
, because the cameraman is goingto be barking at us that we're
in the wrong position.
So, while the fish fighting isgoing on, somebody's going to
have to maneuver that boat andmake sure that it's pointing in
the right direction.
So that's going to be ourbiggest challenge, but otherwise
(54:22):
, we got no worries with bokeh.
No man, we're just going to.
That's part of your issues.
However, having said that, I dobelieve that we're going to
have a more difficult timeconvincing these walleye that
our hard baits are good food,whereas you guys, you're going
to be dropping stuff down thatthey just ate two minutes ago.
(54:42):
They know it, they feel it,they sense it, they smell it and
it's real so, but your boatcontrol is going to be a real
problem for you.
So I think we're even in thataspect.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Yes, we might be, and the anchor, I still say, would
be a key tool for anybody that'scoming to these northern lakes
to get anchored up.
Now I will say it's an art andI will say that I don't go out
in my boat without about 200feet of anchor rope.
(55:14):
Ah, there you go, number one.
It's a three to one ratio.
So if you're fishing 30 feet,you need a minimum of uh of 90
feet to get a decent anchor hold.
Yeah, right.
So the the thought ofdisturbing those fish?
Yes, if you drop them right ontheir head, I think they're
going to scatter.
(55:34):
For sure they're going toscatter if you sure they're
going to scatter.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
If you have current, it becomes a significantly
easier task, right?
Because you can go well upcurrent and find that spot.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Current is definitely more predictable than wind.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
And then you can ease yourself down the rope.
You know backing the rope downuntil the boat is positioned
over top of the fish.
But the anchor is 150 feet upcurrent.
That's right, that works wellIf you have current.
If you don't have current, yougot wind.
Yeah, not all the time.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
No, and if you don't have wind, then it's perfect,
because you don't need theanchor.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
And it changes.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
Yes, the wind will change, wow.
And the thing is, the other keywhen you're using an anchor is
that marker buoy, because thatmarker buoy you do drop on fish.
You look for schools of fish onthe bottom and whether those
schools might be five or 50, youneed to drop that marker buoy
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and all that is is a visualmarker that sits on top of the
water, that has a rope and asmaller weight that falls
straight down into those fishand then you have to line your
wind or your current with youranchor and when you drop it and
(56:55):
you try and anchor to that buoyand it gets exponentially more
versatile the further you setyour line, because, depending on
what side of the boat andwhether it's the port side, bow,
stern side, bow, port side,stern you can swing that boat 50
(57:19):
, 60 feet from right to left,right.
So you do have on one anchor,hold a little bit of mobility.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Now that we've completely confused everybody
that's listening to this program, I'd like to suggest that you
go online or to your favoritestore that sells marine products
and get yourself a nice,preferably Garmin LiveScope and
preferably a nice Garmin Forceor Kraken motor.
(57:48):
And all of the problems and theconfusion that we just gave you
.
They are gone.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yes, but the Force is tough to get to Lodge 88.
We've done it.
The Garmin is easy.
We've done it.
The Garmin is easy.
We've done it.
I don't doubt it and I wish wedid it this time right.
But I still I stand firm on thefact that I think that live
bait, and with the knowledgethat Dean and I have potentially
(58:16):
could outfish.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I believe the gauntlet has been firmly dropped
.
We will see over the nextcouple of days which is the
better of the two.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
How's that, I love that, and we will be taking bets
.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
For those of you listening that would like to
maybe win a shackle or two, feelfree to write to Steve and tell
him that you yeah, stevein atfishincanadacom and I will pass
you right over to the personthat controls the shackles, I
think.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Who is the countess?
That's right, I think, and sayhello to her.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
For me, I think, at the end of the day, that we will
end up catching more fish.
I can't attest to the sizebecause that's kind of out of
our control that we will end upcatching more fish.
I can't attest the size becausethat's kind of out of our
control, but I believe, underthese conditions, we will catch
more fish doing what we're doingthan you guys will doing what
you're doing.
(59:11):
How's that?
Speaker 4 (59:14):
Well, that's a little gauntlet tickle right there,
and what I will reply to that is.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
time will tell brother, and don't forget, I've
got the Nick machine in my boatat the helm.
Oh, nicky boy, I've got theNick factor working in my favor.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yes, and that is an X factor, although I do have Dino
on my side, I'll give you that.
You know I'm not saying one isbetter than the other, but again
, time will tell.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
and speaking of time.
Is that what you were going tosay?
Speaker 4 (59:47):
exactly.
It has come to that time.
We have to start this now we'rewe're going to head out for a
nice evening fish and folks.
Thank you so much for forlistening to this point.
We really appreciate it.
It's your love that allows usto do this, and I want to thank
(01:00:09):
Dino for being here.
We really appreciate it.
I want to hear your voice rightnow.
Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Yep, this is my voice .
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
I was trying to press a button.
Sorry, dino, I was trying topress a button, but I forgot.
Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
That's not this kind of show.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
And Mr Mancini as well, our producer, and all of
the folks Lakeside Marine in RedLake.
They are a wonderful operationand huge supporter of the show.
We thank you very much andagain, thank all of you for
listening.
And thus brings us to the show.
We thank you very much andagain, thank all of you for
listening.
And thus brings us to theconclusion of another episode of
(01:00:45):
Diaries of a Lodge Owner.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Stories of the North Never meaning no harm.
I'll be all you ever saw, beenrailing in the hog since the day
I was born, bending my rock,stretching my line.
Someday I might own a lodge,and that'd be fine.
(01:01:15):
I'll be making my way the onlyway I know how, working hard and
sharing the north With all ofmy pals.
Boy, I'm a good old boy.
I bought a lodge and lived mydream, and now I'm here talking
(01:01:38):
about how life can be as good asit seems.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Hi everybody.
I'm Angelo Viola and I'm PeteBowman.
Now you might know us as thehosts of Canada's Favorite
Fishing Show, but now we'rehosting a podcast.
That's right.
Every Thursday, ange and I willbe right here in your ears
bringing you a brand new episodeof Outdoor Journal Radio.
Now, what are we going to talkabout for two hours every week?
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Well, you know there's going to be a lot of
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I knew exactly where those fishwere going to be and how to
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Yeah, but it's not just a fishing show.
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Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
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However, my journey into thewoods didn't come from politics.
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Rather, it came from my time inthe bush and a mushroom.
In 2015, I was introduced tothe birch-hungry fungus known as
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After nearly a decade of harvestuse, testimonials and research,
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But that's not what the show isabout.
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the excitement build-up is like intoxicating
right getting out there andgetting all set and steaming out
to these places and and you're,you're, just, you're in a daze
that whole time and then all ofa sudden it hits right and
you've got that instantadrenaline rush for sure.
And then about an hour into it,you don't want to be anywhere
(00:31):
near where you are.
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
This week on the Outdoor Journal Radio Podcast
Network's Diaries of a LodgeOwner Stories of the North.
We are in the north and it isjust like Christmas for me and
hopefully for my guests, angeloViola and Dean Taylor.
Yay, yes, fellas, welcome tothe show.
(01:10):
I know I'm extremely excitedabout this one.
We are as live as you can getin the moment on a snoggy lake
at Lodge 88.
Legendary Lodge 88.
Legendary.
Yes, and listen.
Dean, thank you for running theequipment today.
(01:31):
Oh, you're welcome.
I'm happy to be here and,angelo, it is an absolute
pleasure to have you on thepodcast today.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And it's a pleasure to be pleasured.
Oh, how's that?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, I like that, I like that.
And do you remember the lasttime we did a show together?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh, boy, oh boy, oh boy.
This is like when I hunt for myEaster eggs.
Now, I'm the one who plantsthem, but I forget where the
hell I put them Wasn't?
That was it a while ago.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I don't recall it was episode number one.
Oh, that's the last time it wason the show.
Yes, Whoa what the hell's goingon?
Yes, I know We've turned 100and we keep on rolling.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Holy smokes.
Yes, where have I been I?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
know I've been looking, and, looking and
looking and finally I find youat Lodge 88.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Angelo has come back to his snoggy lake.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yes, and you know what, buddy, back in the day at
Chaudière, when you come up andwe really began to build a
wonderful relationship.
For me, our relationship hasspawned out of Chaudière and,
more importantly, the TorontoMaple Leafs.
(02:52):
Oh my God, but you always hadtold me that, listen, you have
the bones here, you're doing awonderful job and already I
would suggest that you're on thetop side of the lodges in the
(03:14):
province.
But Lodge 88 is one that youshould look at.
Yep, lodge 88 has got thingsfigured out and I really took it
to heart.
And coming to Lodge 88 for thefirst time to do a Fish and
Canada shoot is what we're doing.
(03:34):
For those of you out there whoI didn't explain the situation,
why we're here yes, we'reshooting an episode of the Fish
and Canada television show 40thseason coming up, baby 40th
season and I was so excited andthankful that I was included in
(03:59):
the shoot.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
How could we not include you?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Because how could we not include you?
Well, you never know, I neverknow.
Hold on, nick.
I'm pretty sure Uncle Ange isasking for.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uncle.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Grandpa, uncle, grandpa, uncle, grandpa, uncle
Grandpa is asking for a cigar.
There you go, yes, and I mightJoin me be one myself, all right
.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think I want to do that because I want this memory
to linger, to have us doing that?
Yes, I think it would be cool,absolutely.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Sorry to disrupt you.
Go ahead, there's nointerrupting here.
Finally I get to come and I hadbuilt an image in my mind from
what you had told me and and Iresearched lodge 88 on uh online
and and looked at the websiteand uh got to know dave
mclaughlin and terry very welljust through sportsmen, like the
(04:54):
sports shows and tourismsummits and and all of that
stuff and and um I to tell you,the first time I walked into our
cottage, even after everythingthat I had built in my mind.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was still blown away.
Did you notice?
There are no cobwebs anywhere?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like how do?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
you do that.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, I know exactly how you do it because I tried.
It's a wonderful housekeepingstaff.
Oh my God, you tried.
It's a wonderful housekeepingstaff.
Oh my God, you know it's awonderful housekeeping staff.
And Jennifer, the girl that'sbeen looking after our cottage,
has done a wonderful.
Yes, thank you.
Nick has done a wonderful jobat doing that, like I mean,
(05:41):
every day the tile floor ispolished.
It's crazy.
Yes, you walk in and it lookslike it's a wet floor, but it's
not.
And um, she even folded dean'sclothes well, I think there's a.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I didn't get my clothes folded.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Okay, oh, I got mine folded and like I mean, we were
talking about it yesterday and Ihad the perfect caper planned
out here and Jennifer had foldedDean's clothes that he left on
the floor.
So we wondered if she was doingthat for everybody, because
(06:23):
Dean is a young, strapping,finely chiseled young man Can't
play poker with a ship, butthat's okay.
And I thought to myself well, Isaid to Dean when we were in
our room, I said I'm putting mypants on the floor to see if she
folds mine too.
And then Dean walked down tothe dock and we had a little
(06:46):
quick conversation where Deansaid I wonder if she won't go in
my dirty clothes bag or nothinglike that.
And um, as I was walking out thedoor, the epiphany hit me and I
went back into our room and Ipulled every piece of dirty
clothes off the floor, out ofhis bag, his underwear,
everything, and I folded themnicely and I placed them on the
(07:09):
bed so that when Jennifer comein to make the beds, obviously
she would fold all of that stuffnicely.
And I wanted to see Dean'sreaction.
And what happened?
Dean blew it.
Dean went back up to blow hisnose and he come down with a big
fat grin on his face and lookedat me and said Jennifer's been
(07:31):
in our room already and hebusted me, but I got to give it
to you, dino, you were a littlebit disappointed that you found
it.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I was.
It would have been great.
I ruined it.
Yeah, that would have been agood memory.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, do you get underwear service quite often
when you're traveling on theroad.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Not very often.
No, no, no, I room with Nicknormally.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
There's no underwear service when it comes to Nick
and you right, okay, I got you.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I'm not even sure if there's underwear involved.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Not much, atta boy, yeah, so this fishing experience
, I'm excited we're going to besampling it here in the next few
days.
Yes, and the boys on the dockand this is the way it always
works with us.
Yeah, we come into a place, wego into a place and there's
(08:27):
people inevitably leaving, andthey had caught some monsters on
crankbaits, no doubt.
And the whole way here I washearing how the live bait
sponsored by God is going to bethe way we go.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think it's safe to say, on most of these northern
lakes, the tendency is to justdrop a jig with a minnow or a
worm or drop shot one of thoseitems because that's just the
way it's done.
Because that's just the wayit's done, right?
Yeah, and very few people comeinto a remote lake and bring all
(09:10):
of their arsenal of hard baitsand soft plastics and whatnot,
especially when you got to comein on a plane.
So I told Steve you know what,we're going to depart from the
normal on this episode and weare going to do a live bait show
.
We are going to go into asnoggy episode and we are going
to do a live bait show.
We are going to go into asnoggy lake and we are going to
do the norm just drop chunks oflive food and have at it like
(09:33):
everybody else, and that was thegame plan.
Coming in, and then, like stevesaid, we met this group that
was just going out.
They had been here for fourdays and of course, they
recognized us and said hey guys,guys, how you doing?
Let me show you what we've beenup to.
And they started showing uspictures of these 27, 28-inch
walleye, big fat fall walleye,and they had caught every single
(09:58):
one of them on hard baits, sowe had to change game plan.
Well, we haven't completelychanged yet.
We'll find out tomorrow when weget out on the water.
We'll definitely throw a fewhard baits now, though.
Yeah, because those pitcherswere just stunning.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
And the problem is it throws you right off.
Oh, completely it throws you.
It threw me off.
I was like, well, I'm stickingto the plan.
I want to be involved with livebait.
You're going to go with that?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yes, and the reason why don't we split up and do
both?
Why don't we challengeourselves?
Why don't you and Dean go offand do the normal thing that
happens here on the Snoggy LakeBring yourselves a bunch of
minnows and a bunch of worms andhave at it.
(10:49):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
And.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Nick and I will go out and throw some of the
hardware that we brought.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, because I've already got it set up in my mind
.
Live bait is something that isvery, very familiar to me
because that's the way we fishwalleye on the French.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, that's a good example.
Like did anybody come up to theFrench to throw, you know, body
baits or crankbaits?
No, not for walleye.
No, Not for walleye.
It's unheard of.
Yeah, bass muskie pike, that'sa different story Now do you
think that's because walleye ismore of a meat industry, in that
(11:25):
people would go to your placeor this place, for example, and
really their only purpose is tobe able to catch their limit
every day and do a shore lunchevery day?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I'm going to say not so much anymore.
No, I think the reason thatlive bait is, uh, still
predominantly used because and I, and the reason I say not
anymore because um at Shodier,very quickly into my tenure we,
we did away with um with thetake fish home game.
(12:00):
We didn't, we didn't.
We, we encouraged people not totake fish home and that quickly
disappeared.
But the live bait did not.
And I think it's more, at leaston that body of water, to access
walleye during the hours thatwe fish for our guides is, say,
(12:25):
8 o'clock in the morning untilfour in the afternoon, and
they're deep.
They're deep.
You can get them on crankbaitsin the evening as the sun's
going down, because thosewalleye that are hanging out in
schools at this time of yearwe're finding them in 35 to 40
feet and they can even go deeperthan that depending on the
(12:49):
weather.
We don't chase them any deeperthan that and that's because of
the damage that it can do to thefish when you pull them up too
quick.
But it's the depth and the bestway to do it is with a jig,
with a jig yeah, and it's fast.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Right, it's fast, it's efficient, very efficient
for a fish.
100% Out of curiosity, though,you must have had people going
out after supper to fish on theriver, absolutely, and I'm
assuming that they would havebeen more likely to throw hard
baits.
Yeah, oh yeah.
And my question to you is wouldthey be fishing walleye in, say
(13:31):
, six feet of water?
At that point, do they come up?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
that high on the French.
Six feet on the French is thebest way I can answer.
That is, six feet of water onthe French River is a very scary
depth for a lodge owner.
Oh, I got you, because whenyou're actually trolling or
(13:56):
you're in areas where you're insix feet of water, the engines
take a shit kicking.
Take a shit kicking, yeah, andum, so you discour.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
What you're telling me is that you artificially
change that.
Uh, hard bait fishery.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, like they could be in six or they could be in
15, and I preferred 15.
But yeah, they do come up uh,sure, um, uh myself, uh, I, a
good friend uh of ours Tony, agood friend of ours, tony
DiBattista.
He always wanted to go out andfish and the evening time was
(14:31):
always a nice time to go out,and we would go out and cast
shoals that would top out inthree, four feet and drop down
into deeper water and you docatch them on those shoals.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
One of the best experiences and it wasn't one
time but we used to do it quiteoften actually was late in the
year, depending on the weather,depending on the geography.
But there is a period of timelate in the year, usually
October, if you get some frosthappening, some cold nights
(15:06):
happening, where you get used toget not so much anymore a frog
migration.
You've told me about this, I'mtelling you, the walleye fishery
during that migration period,if you can hit it on point, it
is phenomenal Because we used touse topwater baits for them.
No, I'm not kidding you, Really, for walleye and huge walleye
(15:32):
would work the shorelineswaiting for these critters to
pop in, and it was nuts and itwould last for about five days,
six days, you know, seven daysat the most.
But you had to have reliableintel locally to call you up and
say, hey, I think, from what Ican tell, the migration is going
(15:52):
to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And you had to be on location tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But oh my God, and it was anighttime thing, never during
the day, so it would usuallystart at night and, holy shit,
I'm telling you one of thegreatest walleye experiences
that anybody could have.
I would.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You know well, topwater fishing in general is
one of the greatest experiencesthat any angler can have.
But for walleye, that would beoutstanding.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't know what's happening with frogs.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm going back to aperiod of time where it was
still acceptable to be sellingand buying frogs for bass
fishing.
You know, you buy a dozen livefrogs and, you know, throw a
hook in one of their legs andlet them swim out and boom, but
(16:43):
I'm not noticing as many frogsin our environment as there used
to be no.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Maybe that's all gone .
It is weird for sure, and thosemigrational patterns that
happen are magic.
Oh you know.
Can you think of any other onesoff the top of your head?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, I mean, depending on the area, certainly
still to this day the migrationthat happens on the Bay of
Quinty for walleye is stillphenomenal.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yes, it has changed over the years.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It has changed, but it's still phenomenal.
Yes, make no mistake about it,and it's all dependent on
migration to food, likeeverything else is in the world
of fish and water clarity.
I think Water clarity haschanged it significantly.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Because that is a fishery I hold near and dear to
my heart.
When, right from the early 90s,I had friends that would go and
fish, picton Harbor inparticular, and we didn't even
have a boat.
But again, it's that late, latefall we would start thinking
(17:53):
about it, about the thirdweekend, because that's the only
times that we had access to inNovember and we would fish right
off of the government dock,right across from tip of the bay
, and we would also fish thePrince Edward Yacht Club docks.
Yeah, that was crazy.
(18:15):
Oh, that first green buoy.
We always dreamed about gettingout there because we would see
boats anchored out there fishing, but right off the docks.
And I made a point for yearsnot to tell people how many fish
over 10 pounds I caught becausenobody would believe me.
(18:37):
But we would go there and intwo days, back in the heyday,
right off those docks, you couldcatch, you know eight or ten
walleye between you know, nineand fourteen pounds each, all
nighttime, eh, all nighttime.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
All nighttime.
That's the thing about thatfishery.
It's low light or no light.
Yeah, dean, did we not have anexperience recently, in the last
couple of years, and the namethat comes to mind is the Bell
River?
Yeah, and that was a migrationfishery Suckers were migrating.
(19:18):
Yeah, that was a sucker spawn.
Tell us about that one, becausethat was another great,
exciting adventure we had.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yeah, we didn't really know what was going on
actually in there, but we knewthere would be bait fish in that
area and the only reason wewere in there was because the
river used to be a spawning sitefor walleye, right, but there
was some, I think, a gold mineor something up there.
Some sort of mining industrywas letting their tailing ponds
(19:44):
into the river.
The water temperatures werechanging and the sediment was
changing.
Then the walleye weren't ableto spawn but the mines and the
government kind of came togetherto clean it all up and we
wanted to check it out becausewe heard the walleye were back
and when we got in there,suckers were mostly what we were
finding.
But then behind them were pikeand behind them were walleye,
(20:05):
and behind them were walleye andbehind them were smallmouth and
everything was just eating allthe eggs.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It was amazing.
Yeah, the reason we found outthat that's what we because we
didn't know, we went in and thenwe saw this separation of
suckers, walleye, smallmouth andpike.
We couldn't get it.
We didn't understand because itwas fall right and we didn't
quite get the picture until wecaught a pike and lifted it into
(20:34):
the boat and it spewed suckereggs all over the deck of FNC1.
The pike were eating the suckereggs.
The pike were eating them.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah everything was eating them.
Everything, everything in thelake.
Wow, yeah, everything waseating them.
Everything, everything in thelake, wow.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, everything in the lake was coming into this
thing called the Bell River, andthey were in there just gorging
on sucker eggs.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Wow it's got to be a way.
Healthy source of food, proteingalore, the protein, the
nutrients that they're getting.
Sure, why not?
That's a great story.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it was nuts, and the smallmouth fishing was
just phenomenal.
Oh my God.
We were fishing like two feetof water with the boat, trying
to get around the rocks and theobstacles and just throwing
anything.
You could literally throwanything in the water and the
smallmouth were just explodingon it.
(21:28):
I love that and that's whatthey were doing.
They were in there all feedingon and I'm sure that's a pattern
that probably happens on a lotof lakes, but nobody would think
about it.
Right?
Who thinks about following thesucker spawn to find a predator
fish?
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:45):
and no one really knows anything about them.
That's because species you kindof ignore, like you don't you
know, study their behavior,study their movements and
understand where they'remigrating, they're just species
that you just don't associatewith anything.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, they're not even a sport fish it's yeah well
, they're well, they'reforage-based but it's funny how
we associate recreationalfishing with what we call sport
fish, and that's a fish that hasbeen designated by a body to be
a sport fish.
If it doesn't have thedesignation, we don't seem to be
(22:18):
interested.
Carp comes to mind, one of themost underutilized fishery, in
my opinion, in North Americait's certainly not in the rest
of the world, but certainly here.
Because it's not categorized asa sport fish, we don't want to
go after it.
And suckers are right up there,in my opinion, of a fish that
is just as good a fighter it'sjust as.
(22:40):
I mean you can get giantsuckers, yeah, how big do they
get?
That's a great question.
Any thoughts?
Dean.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I remember you were holding one up next to a like
two-pound smallie and they werekind of similar in size.
Yes, so like Two to threepounds.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, like 14 inches, 15 inches maybe, something like
that.
Yeah, and I'm sure there arevarious species of suckers, we
just don't know anything aboutthem.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, but we were even having trouble identifying
them at a certain point, like wewere all debating, because we
know there's types of like.
When you're like, when we studya lake we look at you know all
the sport fish that are in itand all the other species that
are named you don't really payattention to.
And there's so many of thoseLike.
I think we had a guy on outdoorjournal radio a few months ago
(23:27):
who was like a soccer fishermanfrom minnesota.
You remember that show and yeah,and he was saying there's, like
you know, dozens of species ofthem and he's trying to catch
them all and do this big tourcatching them.
So we were all debating whateven kind it was and it took us
a while to figure it out.
Wow, yeah, but fishing isfishing right, I mean that's
absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I know that um, one of the migrations that uh, we uh
focus on a lot, um, and I'mspeaking to the um muskie uh
community is, uh, especially onthe on the french and nipissing,
are the ciscos, right, theciscos and the and the cisco
migration has been a focus forPat and myself who,
(24:10):
recreationally, and my sonRayburn, now recreationally fish
muskies and one of the keyfactors that we always think
about are the ciscos and whereare they and how do they move,
move and where do they move atcertain times of the day and
(24:32):
light conditions?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's all key, as well as anglers.
We're not focusing on the rightareas when it comes to trying
to figure out how to catchpredator fish, because what we
should be doing is studyingtheir food.
We should get a better handleon their food and how it
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migrates and how it works,because chances are real good if
you find the movement of food,pattern it down, yeah yeah,
you're going to have an awfullot easier time figuring out the
predator.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
For sure.
And I'll throw one more factorinto that that nobody really
thinks about.
If you were to apply it to themale species of human beings, it
would be a lot clearer.
But you've got food and you'vegot sex, because the spawn and
eating are two of the paramountpillars in a fish species' life.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And it doesn't matter how much water they have to
wander through, even like takethis lake, for example, behind
us, this snoggy lake, a hugelake, about 90% of this water
will not hold fish Absolutely.
And it's all based on those twofactors you just mentioned they
have to eat and they have toreproduce.
Figure that out and you justeliminated the majority of the
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water, 100%.
So I wanted to bring outanother great example of
following the food and findingthe predator.
And you're going to experienceit for the first time, and I
think you too, dean, for thefirst time.
We're going tuna fishing in NovaScotia in the weeks ahead, and
it is one of the great migrationstories of all time.
(26:23):
I mean these fish, these giantthousand pound tunas.
They come from a million milesaway and they're in an area
because of food.
Right, yeah, it's going tocoincide.
Well, you two just experiencedthat on that tuna festival
Wedgeport, wedgeport, wedgeport,nova Scotia.
The tuna come in to feed on theherring and if you can find
(26:49):
where those giant herring ballsare, you're going to find tuna
chasing them down Absolutely,and it was interesting there too
they're doing a lot of workright out of this tiny little
town of Wedgeport.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
The lobster fishermen predominantly also have tuna
licenses because it's a very,very controlled fishery.
There's quota, it's a science.
There's barcodes on yourlicense which have to be affixed
to the fish.
And not only that, you've gotto hail in immediately to the
(27:30):
DFO, highly regulated when youhook them, and one of the
captains was telling me that tothe point where when you hail
them in, the DFO might show upon the ship before you get them
into the boat.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, we had that happen to us a few years ago,
that's right.
Yeah, by the time we got thetuna, you know, even relatively
close to the boat, we had threeDFO vessels circling us.
And they do that because theywant to make sure that all the
regulations have been met.
And, in fact, funny because onthat particular shoot the
(28:10):
captain had screwed up a littlebit, uh-oh, but we were okay.
I mean, it wasn't a reallyegregious offense, but he had
dropped the ball on somethingand they came on board.
This was like a militaryoperation man.
They came on board and scaredthe shit out of us and they took
(28:31):
him aside and read him the riotact and fortunately it wasn't a
bad enough offense that therewere any charges laid.
But they're very serious.
And the tuna you just mentioned, they have a barcode.
They have a barcode in thesense that when that first call
is made to DFO and you tell themthat you're hooked up, they
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designate a number to that fishAutomatically in their computer
system.
That fish has a serial number.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think it's already designated before they catch it,
because I watched when you getyour quota, they've got a
certain amount of tags, andmaybe I'm wrong.
Maybe you're right.
You have to hook up with it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Once you hook up then that boat that's how they
figure out the quota.
That boat has now got a fishwith an ID number.
Yeah, and they will follow thatthrough from the hookup to the
catch, to the processing andright to the final market.
They'll follow that barcode allthe way through.
(29:39):
Yeah, oh, it's crazy, butthat's.
I only brought that up becauseto see it in full bloom, to see
that and it coincides the tunafishery in PEI I'm not sure
about Kanso, where we're going,but in PEI the tuna season opens
on the final day of the herringharvest.
(30:02):
Oh, really, right, yeah.
So what happens is the tunafishermen will go to the
flotilla of herring boats yeah,herring boats, and there's like
a million of them out there andyou show up at daylight with
your tuna boat and you've gotall of these trawlers, big
(30:26):
trawlers, that are cleaningtheir nets because they've been
fishing for the last 10 days andgetting thousands and thousands
of pounds of herring andthey're literally falling off
the boats and falling off thenets.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
We experienced that AD, Did you see it?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, yeah.
And so if you get close to them, all of a sudden, you realize,
holy shit, look at the tuna.
Yeah, they're surrounded, theflotilla is surrounded by giant
tuna.
And those tuna are therebecause they're getting the last
little bit of herring that theherring boats are dropping off
their boats.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, and the herring boats were actually inviting
the anglers over like the tunaguys.
They were all on the radios andthey were telling each other
where the tuna were and tellingthem to come over and all that.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, it's a wonderful community out there.
Yeah, yeah, it was great.
And Eric Jacquard was the nameof the lobster boat captain, who
is one of the only people outon the East Coast aside from is
(31:35):
it Captain Bill?
We're going with Captain Billout of Canso, nova Scotia.
Yes, he has a live releasepermit for tuna and they're very
rare, but he said that he hadtagged more tuna than anybody on
the East Coast.
And the information that theyfound they found a spawning
(31:59):
ground that they had no ideaexisted, where, and it was up in
the Northern Atlantic byFinland, the Scandinavian
countries.
Really, they had no idea thatit even existed.
And now they're taking out theotoliths out of the little
(32:23):
jewels I call them because thesheephead have the big jewels,
but these tiny wee, I'm going tocall them pearls, like stones
and the DFO.
While we were there, while theywere harvesting the tuna in the
Wedgeport tournament, they weretaking those otoliths and using
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the DNA to backtrack that fishto find out what colony or
school that they were comingfrom, to try and track where
they are, what the stocks arelike, the health of the tuna
stocks, and it was extremelyinteresting, wow, and what a
(33:12):
well-oiled machine thistournament was.
These fish would come out ofthe and it was catch and keep.
Obviously the government haddonated a certain amount of
quota to or I shouldn't saydonate extended a certain amount
of quota to the tournamentitself, extended a certain
amount of quota to thetournament itself and then to
(33:33):
grow the tournament, all of theboats involved would donate some
of their quota to up the catchand all of the tuna that was
being harvested was being soldby one of the local brokers who
was donating his time, and allof the money from that went to
(33:53):
the Wedgeport Tuna Museum.
Oh cool, and what a wonderfulcommunity.
And these tuna would be cranedout of the boats.
They had already gutted them onthe water.
But there was a guy just tomake sure that they didn't leave
an extra piece of meat in therefor the weight, for the weight
right sure that they didn'tleave an extra piece of meat in
there for the weight, for theweight right.
And they pulled them out withthe head on, took them by a
(34:16):
forklift over to the grandstandand they hung them there for the
crowd to see they come straightdown.
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It sounds barbaric.
Everything you're saying now tosomebody who doesn't fish or
doesn't, you know, is not asportsman.
It sounds a little barbaric.
But first of all, this has beengoing on since the beginning of
time.
Tuna has been a source ofprotein and sustenance globally,
a very important one from thebeginning of time, albeit
(34:44):
probably not regulated earlyenough, but now that it's highly
regulated it's a perfectlysustainable industry and the
proof is a trip to Nova Scotiaor PEI and experience what you
guys experienced at the TunaFestival and you know that this
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creature is being well managed.
There's more tuna than you canshake a stick at in our waters
here in Canada.
Yeah, I don't know about therest of the world, I can't
attest to that, but as far asthe Canadian tuna blue fishery
it is blue tuna fishery.
It is just unbelievable,absolutely.
And so few fish are actuallybeing harvested out of the big
(35:29):
picture.
It's not an issue.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It was a well-oiled machine, to the point that the
tuna that they harvested weregoing to the open market within
a day.
Oh yeah, it's scary.
Before the end of thetournament, and as soon as a
boat caught a tuna, they had tobring it in, and before the end
of the tournament there weretuna going all over the world
(35:54):
from that location and it was awonderful experience.
And I'll end this part of theconversation.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Go ahead, how far from Prince Edward Island?
Is that place that you guyswere at?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
It's the opposite end .
Yeah, you'd have to go acrossthe whole coast of nova scotia
and then and then around, andthen around, yeah so this is a
whole different pod of fish thatthat I experienced.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Uh on p, it could actually be.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I don't know, um, if it's totally different, because
the, the fish that they wereexperiencing in like the heyday
of wedgeboard, have all movedout okay, and they moved out
quite far, like the.
The furthest people wererunning in this turn.
It was like 15 hours offshore.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh my God, so it could have actually been.
What was the name of the spot?
The Hell Hole.
The Hell Hole, yeah, oh my God.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Yes, aptly named, I'm sure because if you go out
there, you're a real man.
Absolutely yes.
So it's still like a hub forwhere all the anglers are, but
they're not necessarily stayingnear Wedgeport.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Yeah, but regardless that community and tournament
and everything around it wassuch a breath of fresh air.
I cannot tell you folks, if youare from small town Canada
(37:16):
anywhere and you're longing forthat same feel, book yourself a
trip for the week to go toWedgeport and make sure you take
a little bit of Pepto-Bismoland aspirin or Tylenol, because
the party at the end by the byG's.
(37:37):
I'll tell you what she was acracker Jack.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It reminds me of that great movie, 300.
Oh yeah, what was his name?
Leonidas, the main character,leon.
What was his name?
Leonidas or the the?
The, the main leader.
The main character said have ahearty breakfast, men, because
tonight you'll be dining at thegates of hell, yeah.
And I'm sure that's what it isgoing out, 15 hours into the
(38:04):
Atlantic in the fall.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Some of the roughest water in the world.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Huge seas yeah, what a great experience.
Hopefully we'll we'll tastesome of richest water in the
world.
Oh my God, huge seas yeah, whata great experience.
Hopefully we'll taste some ofthat here in the weeks to come.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, well, I did sit in one of those fighting chairs
and Eric, who was a big man,grabbed the end of the rod, just
gave you a sample.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He gave me a sample and I'll tell you what I couldn
imagine uh trying to reel in auh seven, eight, nine hundred
pound fish it is beyond words,my friend, beyond the words, to
the point where the excitementbuild-up is like intoxicating,
(38:47):
right getting out there andgetting all set and steaming out
to these places and and you'reyou and you're in a daze that
whole time and then all of asudden it hits right and you've
got that instant adrenaline rushfor sure.
And then about an hour into ityou don't want to be anywhere
(39:09):
near where you are.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
You want to go home.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
You're whimpering like a little child, you want to
go home.
You're whimpering like a littlechild, you want to go home.
The fight is extraordinary,just beyond words.
And the problem is the captainis barking at you because in
most cases, that's for him,that's his income, right, yeah,
that's food.
So if you aren't exhibiting allof your manliness and, by the
(39:32):
way, I say manliness because Ibelieve that in order to do well
in that industry not sayingthat you can't be anything but a
man, but I'll tell you, it sureas hell helps, because every
muscle in your body is requiredfor that next four hours, five
(39:53):
hours that you're on the end ofthat rod.
And if you screw up, thatcaptain is bark, he's like a
drill sergeant, he's in your earand he's shouting, he's
spitting all over you and thefish is just angry as hell.
And you were caught in thisvortex of pain, enjoyment,
(40:19):
suffering, anxiety.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
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Speaker 4 (42:13):
I've got a quick question because I know at least
in the first Wedgeporttournament because it was
revived, it died out because ofthe fishery in 76 and was not
revived again until 2002 or oneD, somewhere in that
neighborhood, I think.
(42:33):
Three, three Um.
Before that when it was a trulyum international tournament and
Wedgeport, a town with maybe500 people in it, was known as
the tuna capital of the world.
Um, in this tournament therewere strict rules that whoever
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is holding the rod to catch thefish was not allowed to spell
somebody else in.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
There was no substitution On the Fishing
Canada boat.
There is a substitution.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Not only is it allowed but it's encouraged.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay, courage, okay, because Peter and I uh, yeah, we
were, we just didn't don't havethe stature to be able to
wrestle one of those things inon our own.
And so, yeah, we spelled eachother and one time we took
Roland Martin down there toexperience it as well.
So three of us uh worked.
How did Roland do?
Uh, oh good.
Well, you could imagine howexcited the whole time he was on
(43:37):
the rod.
You know whatever number oftimes he was up to bat.
It was like turning on the TVback in the 70s and Roland is
just being Roland man.
It was sick, it was a greatexperience.
And he said this was thegreatest fight of his life
getting that I think it was 837pounds Dressed, by the way, Wow
(44:03):
Dressed.
He said it was the greatestthing that he'll ever do, and I
believe him.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I'm very, very excited.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Now.
We may not catch a fish, by theway.
Pete and I have been down thereonce, yeah, once, before we've
been down there and not caught afish.
We saw, oh I don't know, 200 ofthem.
We couldn't get one hookup andwe spent three days in the big
rough seas trying to get thataccomplished and we didn't, uh,
(44:33):
we didn't make it.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
I um, I don't want to encourage or decourage anything
, but in the Wedgeporttournament there were 20 tuna
boats in the tournament and,mind you, we had a hurricane
that blew past the east coast.
It didn't make landfall, wedidn't even feel effects for the
(44:56):
most part there, but only 12 ofthe 20 actually hooked up.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Actually, that's a lot higherthan I would have thought.
To be honest with you, I wouldhave thought that maybe 20 to
25% hookup rate would beacceptable, but you guys are
telling me that you know almosthalf of, if not a little more
than half.
That's great.
I think that just shows you howthat industry is doing.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's not easy.
You'll see them.
You'll see them, but gettingthem to bite is a whole other
thing, a different story.
How the hell did we get on?
I thought this was Diaries of aLodge Owner.
Well, this is Diaries at itsfinest.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
We go where the conversation takes us.
So on that note, I'd like to,before we wrap things up, just
for the benefit of everybody,why don't we talk a little bit
about our fishing strategies,that we're going to go out with
how in our minds at this point,because I know once the rubber
(46:03):
hits the road and we're outthere, things change.
You've kind of alluded to thefact that Dean and I are going
to be the live bait specialists.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I think, so I'm throwing that out there.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
It just dawned on me I appreciate that and the wheels
have been turning since youmentioned it and you're going to
be the hard bait guy and I'massuming that it's going to be
Yozuri and Crystal Minnow area.
I'm going to talk a little bitabout how I want to, how my
(46:39):
ideas and Dean.
This speaks to you as well,because we're in it together.
I'm going to talk about a littlebit of strategy on finding and
catching these fish, and I'm alittle disappointed in myself
for forgetting one of the mostimportant tools to this type of
(47:06):
fishing live bait fishing to me,and it's something that has
kind of become redundant in myfishing at home, because I have
the luxury at home, because Ihave the luxury and and this is
great for all you folks outthere that that are looking to
enjoy, um, uh, uh, an experiencelike this where you can't bring
(47:28):
your own gear, you're in arental boat, um and uh, you
don't know what electronics arelike.
We've got that part covered,but and uh, but where we're
lacking, where I have at home,number one is a trolling motor.
Right, because spot lock whenyou're vertical fishing is a
(47:52):
huge, huge benefit, but not animpossibility to get around here
, but not an impossibility toget around here.
And number two this is whereI'm very disappointed in myself
coming to this fishery andleaving my marker buoys behind.
I never even thought of that.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Well.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
I'm going to search out Terry and see if I can bum
some marker buoys, becausethey're going to become
important for sure.
Well, the way that I wouldattack this lake not being on it
number one folks.
Intel is important, so do alittle bit of research on the
(48:34):
place you're going if youhaven't been Number two.
Like we started off the showwith people leaving as you're
coming, talk to them, Find outwhat they're doing, Find out
spots All of the lodges.
Their goal is for you to catchfish, so they're going to give
you spots.
(48:55):
Best thing to do is take aguide for a day for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I was just going to say that that is the most
important thing to do is hire aguide, no matter where you are.
Hire a guide for at least a day, or half a day, if they're
available for half days, and usethat half day to not only to
find locations on thatparticular body of water, but
(49:22):
that guide has a wealth ofinformation that you can glean
from him.
If you keep your ears open andyour mouth shut, you can get a
whole lot of intel that will doyou well for any future fishing
endeavor that you've got.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
And eyes Watch what they do.
Future fishing endeavor thatyou've got.
And eyes Watch what they do.
Watch, because sometimes you'llget guides that can't convey.
It's very hard to explain whatthey're feeling, but if you can
watch what they're doing, that'svery important.
But I'm going to assume that weare going to attack this lake
without a guide?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Well, because location One of the things that
the guide can give you that youcannot get on your own in your
short stay, whether it's threedays, four days, five days you
can't get migrational patternsof these fish, absolutely you
cannot get all the locations offish on a body of water.
So what you should be gettingfrom that guide first and
foremost is, if not his bestlocations, certainly locations
(50:20):
where you stand a chance ofcatching fish.
Because, my friend, as I'vesaid a million times, you can be
the best angler in the world,you can have the best equipment
in the world, you can have theconfidence, experience.
All the things that we spew onon the fishing canada show that
you need as a successful angler.
You can have all that in spades, but if you're not on top of
(50:42):
fish, you're just wasting yourtime.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
It's pretty tough to catch fish in a swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Exactly so.
Most important that you can getfrom a guide or a local or the
lodge owner is location.
Put that in your pocket first.
Yeah, and that's where hiring aguide is going to pay off in
spades, cause I'll guarantee you, if you've got him for a day,
you're going to get five or sixof his prime spots and you're
going to learn more in a daythan you would on your own in
(51:11):
five years, right?
Speaker 4 (51:14):
So, having said that, um, I'm going to quickly throw
down an idea, dino, and throw inany thoughts that you have, but
this is something that I woulddo to find fish on a new lake.
Number one ask for an anchor,because an anchor is key when
(51:36):
you don't have your.
I hate using it.
I hate using anchors.
Yeah, I get it, I get it, butyou get a little bit of wind,
and a drift is a nightmare, andthen having an engine constantly
running and bumping it intoreverse yeah, but hang on, hang
on.
Hang on, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
This is a debate that Pete and I have all the time.
Okay, Because we're I'm analabout it.
Pete's not quite as bad, butI'm very aware of any intrusive
sounds that I bring into thatenvironment, whether it's a
motor, even the electrictrolling motor.
To be honest with you,Sometimes I think we spook fish
with that.
I believe that when you drop ananchor into a
(52:16):
pressure-sensitive spot and youplop that anchor down into the
water, I think there's a certainamount of disturbance that
happens.
that we have no idea how themagnitude of it right.
And so if you are going to beusing an anchor and you're
dropping that anchor in, say, 15, 20 feet of water, you have to
(52:39):
be prepared that any fish withinclose proximity was alerted.
I would say within 100 feet ofyou.
Within 100 feet of you, fishare going to know that something
was just dropped into theirworld.
Yeah, and so if you are goingto be anchoring over top of a
(52:59):
place, you need to let it airout for a while.
You don't expect to drop yourbait and you're going to catch
fish immediately.
I do it all the time.
I know and you know what elseyou do.
You know what else guides doall the time they leave their
engine running.
How many guides?
Speaker 4 (53:15):
And I agree with an engine running as long as it's a
consistent sound, but when youclick it into gear and click it
out of gear and click it, intogear.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
But that's what they do, that's what guides.
Do you know that?
Yeah, yeah, they'll ease you,they'll back you in, they'll
forward, they'll hold you onthat spot.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Well, I'll tell you what?
It's a hell of a lot easier tokeep the light and the sun in
the right spot to shoot whenyou're doing one of these shows,
when you're anchored up andyou're not fighting wind in a
back trolling situation.
Dino, you're going to drivethis one because I'm going to
sit on the bow like a princess.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
See, nick and I are going to have, in my opinion,
the easier of the two in termsof boat control, because we're
going to, because we're going totroll.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
We're going to troll.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
So the only thing we have to worry about is that when
we hook up, we've got to be alittle more sensitive to the sun
, because the cameraman is goingto be barking at us that we're
in the wrong position.
So, while the fish fighting isgoing on, somebody's going to
have to maneuver that boat andmake sure that it's pointing in
the right direction.
So that's going to be ourbiggest challenge, but otherwise
(54:22):
, we got no worries with bokeh.
No man, we're just going to.
That's part of your issues.
However, having said that, I dobelieve that we're going to
have a more difficult timeconvincing these walleye that
our hard baits are good food,whereas you guys, you're going
to be dropping stuff down thatthey just ate two minutes ago.
(54:42):
They know it, they feel it,they sense it, they smell it and
it's real so, but your boatcontrol is going to be a real
problem for you.
So I think we're even in thataspect.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Yes, we might be, and the anchor, I still say, would
be a key tool for anybody that'scoming to these northern lakes
to get anchored up.
Now I will say it's an art andI will say that I don't go out
in my boat without about 200feet of anchor rope.
(55:14):
Ah, there you go, number one.
It's a three to one ratio.
So if you're fishing 30 feet,you need a minimum of uh of 90
feet to get a decent anchor hold.
Yeah, right.
So the the thought ofdisturbing those fish?
Yes, if you drop them right ontheir head, I think they're
going to scatter.
(55:34):
For sure they're going toscatter if you sure they're
going to scatter.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
If you have current, it becomes a significantly
easier task, right?
Because you can go well upcurrent and find that spot.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Current is definitely more predictable than wind.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
And then you can ease yourself down the rope.
You know backing the rope downuntil the boat is positioned
over top of the fish.
But the anchor is 150 feet upcurrent.
That's right, that works wellIf you have current.
If you don't have current, yougot wind.
Yeah, not all the time.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
No, and if you don't have wind, then it's perfect,
because you don't need theanchor.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
And it changes.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
Yes, the wind will change, wow.
And the thing is, the other keywhen you're using an anchor is
that marker buoy, because thatmarker buoy you do drop on fish.
You look for schools of fish onthe bottom and whether those
schools might be five or 50, youneed to drop that marker buoy
(56:34):
and all that is is a visualmarker that sits on top of the
water, that has a rope and asmaller weight that falls
straight down into those fishand then you have to line your
wind or your current with youranchor and when you drop it and
(56:55):
you try and anchor to that buoyand it gets exponentially more
versatile the further you setyour line, because, depending on
what side of the boat andwhether it's the port side, bow,
stern side, bow, port side,stern you can swing that boat 50
(57:19):
, 60 feet from right to left,right.
So you do have on one anchor,hold a little bit of mobility.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Now that we've completely confused everybody
that's listening to this program, I'd like to suggest that you
go online or to your favoritestore that sells marine products
and get yourself a nice,preferably Garmin LiveScope and
preferably a nice Garmin Forceor Kraken motor.
(57:48):
And all of the problems and theconfusion that we just gave you
.
They are gone.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yes, but the Force is tough to get to Lodge 88.
We've done it.
The Garmin is easy.
We've done it.
The Garmin is easy.
We've done it.
I don't doubt it and I wish wedid it this time right.
But I still I stand firm on thefact that I think that live
bait, and with the knowledgethat Dean and I have potentially
(58:16):
could outfish.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I believe the gauntlet has been firmly dropped
.
We will see over the nextcouple of days which is the
better of the two.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
How's that, I love that, and we will be taking bets
.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
For those of you listening that would like to
maybe win a shackle or two, feelfree to write to Steve and tell
him that you yeah, stevein atfishincanadacom and I will pass
you right over to the personthat controls the shackles, I
think.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Who is the countess?
That's right, I think, and sayhello to her.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
For me, I think, at the end of the day, that we will
end up catching more fish.
I can't attest to the sizebecause that's kind of out of
our control that we will end upcatching more fish.
I can't attest the size becausethat's kind of out of our
control, but I believe, underthese conditions, we will catch
more fish doing what we're doingthan you guys will doing what
you're doing.
(59:11):
How's that?
Speaker 4 (59:14):
Well, that's a little gauntlet tickle right there,
and what I will reply to that is.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
time will tell brother, and don't forget, I've
got the Nick machine in my boatat the helm.
Oh, nicky boy, I've got theNick factor working in my favor.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yes, and that is an X factor, although I do have Dino
on my side, I'll give you that.
You know I'm not saying one isbetter than the other, but again
, time will tell.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
and speaking of time.
Is that what you were going tosay?
Speaker 4 (59:47):
exactly.
It has come to that time.
We have to start this now we'rewe're going to head out for a
nice evening fish and folks.
Thank you so much for forlistening to this point.
We really appreciate it.
It's your love that allows usto do this, and I want to thank
(01:00:09):
Dino for being here.
We really appreciate it.
I want to hear your voice rightnow.
Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Yep, this is my voice .
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
I was trying to press a button.
Sorry, dino, I was trying topress a button, but I forgot.
Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
That's not this kind of show.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
And Mr Mancini as well, our producer, and all of
the folks Lakeside Marine in RedLake.
They are a wonderful operationand huge supporter of the show.
We thank you very much andagain, thank all of you for
listening.
And thus brings us to the show.
We thank you very much andagain, thank all of you for
listening.
And thus brings us to theconclusion of another episode of
(01:00:45):
Diaries of a Lodge Owner.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Stories of the North Never meaning no harm.
I'll be all you ever saw, beenrailing in the hog since the day
I was born, bending my rock,stretching my line.
Someday I might own a lodge,and that'd be fine.
(01:01:15):
I'll be making my way the onlyway I know how, working hard and
sharing the north With all ofmy pals.
Boy, I'm a good old boy.
I bought a lodge and lived mydream, and now I'm here talking
(01:01:38):
about how life can be as good asit seems.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Hi everybody.
I'm Angelo Viola and I'm PeteBowman.
Now you might know us as thehosts of Canada's Favorite
Fishing Show, but now we'rehosting a podcast.
That's right.
Every Thursday, ange and I willbe right here in your ears
bringing you a brand new episodeof Outdoor Journal Radio.
Now, what are we going to talkabout for two hours every week?
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Well, you know there's going to be a lot of
fishing.
I knew exactly where those fishwere going to be and how to
catch them, and they were easyto catch.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yeah, but it's not just a fishing show.
We're going to be talking topeople from all facets of the
outdoors, from athletes, All theother guys would go golfing Me
and Garton Turk and all theRussians would go fishing.
Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
To scientists.
But now that we're reforestingand letting things breathe.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
It's the perfect transmission environment for
life.
Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
To chefs If any game isn't cooked properly, marinated
, you will taste it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And whoever else will pick up the phone Wherever you
are.
Outdoor Journal Radio seeks toanswer the questions and tell
the stories of all those whoenjoy being outside.
Find us on Spotify.
Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
As the world gets louder and louder, the lessons
of our natural world becomeharder and harder to hear, but
they are still available tothose who know where to listen.
I'm Jerry Ouellette and I washonoured to serve as Ontario's
Minister of Natural Resources.
However, my journey into thewoods didn't come from politics.
(01:03:19):
Rather, it came from my time inthe bush and a mushroom.
In 2015, I was introduced tothe birch-hungry fungus known as
chaga, a tree conch withcenturies of medicinal use by
Indigenous peoples all over theglobe.
After nearly a decade of harvestuse, testimonials and research,
(01:03:41):
my skepticism has faded toobsession and I now spend my
life dedicated to improving thelives of others through natural
means.
But that's not what the show isabout.
My pursuit of the strangemushroom and my passion for the
outdoors has brought me to theplaces and around the people
that are shaped by our naturalworld.
On Outdoor Journal Radio'sUnder the Canopy podcast, I'm
(01:04:06):
going to take you along with meto see the places, meet the
people.
That will help you find youroutdoor passion and help you
live a life close to nature andunder the canopy.
Find Under the Canopy now onSpotify, apple Podcasts or
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