Episode 92: Ancestral Healing - One Man's Journey from Illness to Self-Sufficiency - Diaries of a Lodge Owner

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I started growing food and then, you know, my wife
and I educated ourselves andshe got some old recipes from my
mother and stuff like that andwe started learning how to
preserve food.
And then I startedexperimenting with drying stuff,
Like I saw some older people inmy grandmother's side of the
family, some of the cousins,that were drying stuff and stuff

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like that.
So I had all this littlebackground information and I
just started expanding it to thepoint where I advertised on the
internet that my food bill whenmy two daughters were home
eating and there was no lack ofanything my food bill was $30 a
week or less, and I'm talkingthat was like that for 30 years.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
This week on the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast
Networks, diaries of a LodgeOwner Stories of the North, we
sit down with one outstandingfella whose aboriginal roots
began in the Sudbury Basin,which started him on a journey
through life with severalwinding roads, from the early

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days living in the bush tobuilding some of the highest
quality engines on the planetand nutrition and healing.
There is no shortage of topicsto unpack in this one, and it is
my pleasure to introduce to theDiaries family Gary Tebow.
On this show we tell stories ofthe North and how Gary's life

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was shaped around thefoundational knowledge he
learned as a child.
This knowledge helped him tobecome an outstanding automotive
machinist but, more importantly, that foundational thirst for
knowledge may very well havesaved his life.
So if you love learning aboutthings that aren't quite

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mainstream and hearing greatstories, this one's for you.
Here's my conversation withGary Tebow.
Welcome, folks, to anotherepisode of Diaries of a Lodge
Owner Stories of the North.
And today is another specialday.
I have live in studio a goodfriend of mine, gary Tebow, and

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Gary is a nutritionalist.
But we're going to dig in alittle bit into his past so we
all get to know who Gary is.
He's a wonderful, extremelyinteresting person and it's an
absolute pleasure to have you onthe show today.
And you're no stranger to theshow.

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Actually, you did a I'll callit a interlude a couple of years
ago at the Sportsman Show andthat was very good.
So welcome back to the show,gary.
Thank you very much for havingme.
It's all it's my pleasure.
So, like I said off the top,gary, why don't we get to know
you a little bit and can youtake me back to your childhood

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Because I think that's a veryimportant part of everybody's
introduction and just give us abit of a bio of who you are?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, I grew up in Northern Ontario in the Sudbury
Basin and my father was aBeothuk native Indian of
Newfoundland, which they said.
The government says they didn'texist.
But you know, when my fatherwas drinking a little bit he had
a few foul words to let peopleknow that they didn't get him
and I'm being very polite aboutthat deal.

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And so on my mother's side ofthe family, in the early 1800s
1820 to 1840, 1860, they wereforced off the land out of the
Ottawa Valley to northernOntario.
So you know, if you look at theCanadian census the first one
that was really done in 1860, mymother's

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great-great-grandfather wasPeter Terrien and he had 23
children.
So in the Nipissing Basin hewas half of the census because
there were only 50 peoplerecorded this is a fact I can
show you all this documentationhow many children he had 23, him
and his wife, wow, inTomiskaming, ontario.

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So at one time when I was a kidgrowing up, we knew that the
town of Hager was basically atone time owned by the Savary
family and the town of StCharles was owned by the Russell
family, or Roussie what theycalled it in French.
And so the Russell name cameoriginally in the very early

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1800s from England.
He was a captain and basicallywhen Sitting Bull came across
the border he treated SittingBull with respect and Sitting
Bull married his niece to thisCaptain Russell and basically on
my grandmother's side of thefamily that's part of our

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bloodline.
And so on my father's side ofthe family, natives from
Newfoundland and most peopledon't know that the Algonquin
language is not a people thatwas the language by Ojibwe
people spoken from Newfoundlandto Alberta.
So you know I've hunted on lotsof different reserves all over
the place with different peopleon reserves and they look at me

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and say here's this white boy.
Well, you know, I turned outthe lightest one in my family,
but if you look at my twosisters it looked like they just
came off a reserve with darkbrown hair and dark brown skin,
and so you know, even I look atmy mother's family, her mother
had blonde hair and blue eyes,yet everybody else in the family

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had jet, black hair and browneyes.
Yeah, except my mother had morein the middle and blue eyes.
So you know, there was thismixing of our bloodlines, I
guess, with a little bit ofEuropean in there.
But we always consideredourselves Aboriginal, even
though we had.
We weren't born in reserves orhad any rights.
And when I grew up as a kid Imean I was carrying a loaded gun

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at 10 years old in the bushhunting my brother was eight I
had to give him a turn to shootand you know, my father would
say, well, after school today,you know, go down to the creek
and catch fish.
Say, well, after school today,you know, go down to the creek
and catch fish and clean themand put them in the freezer.
And so you know, summertime wewere already splitting wood or
hoeing potatoes or picking bugsoff the potato plants.

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We were doing.
There was no sitting around,doing nothing.
We didn't really grow up likegoing to town and buying and
shopping.
My father got paid every coupleof weeks from International
Nickel and basically the onlything they ever bought was maybe
a little bit of flour andcoffee and tea, but the rest of
it we did it ourselves and livedoff the land.

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Yeah, we lived totally off theland.
So when I first came to Torontoas an apprentice because my
father didn't want me to work inthe mining industry, you know,
and it was really good payingmoney compared, minimum wage was
a dollar 95 an hour andstarting an international nickel
at 18, you were making over 20bucks an hour.
Yeah, it was pretty hard toturn that kind of deal down.

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But my father said, if you goand take this job, uh, you don't
live in this house.
And my brother and I we hadrespect for our parents and so
basically I got a trade.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Wow, wow.
And that's a pretty, that's apretty strong endorsement to
you're not working up here.
And what was the reason?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
For not working in the mines.
My father didn't want us to belike rats underground, you know,
just digging away the way hedid, and he wanted us to have a
trade, and so you know.
He heard about a machine shopin northern Ontario that was
hiring and everybody told him ifyour son can work there for

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three months, he can workanywhere Everybody will hire him
.
Because he was a German guy outof the Second World War and his
philosophy was he wasn't a Nazi,he was just doing his job.
Well, I'm telling you, he ranhis shop Like he was Hitler,
literally.
You know you would go in in themorning and, um, you know, by

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the end of the day, yourcoveralls that gained six inches
of weight and dirt and waterfrom washing and cleaning parts.
But it was an environment thatfor me was kind of easy, because
I like learning and I wanted tobe as good as I could be at
anything.
And I worked there for a littleover three years and then I

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moved to another place on theother side of Ottawa and I
worked there for a little overthree years and then I moved to
another place on the other sideof Ottawa and I worked there for
a few years and then, basicallyat 22, I came back to visit my
brother who had got him a job ata shop in Toronto because the
owner didn't want me to leave.
So I got my younger brother inas an apprentice mechanic and I
basically came back and amachine shop heard about me and

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hired me and I basically startedmy business part-time working
at this machine shop and itdidn't take me very long before
I had more clientele than theowner of the shop and there was
a little bit of discussion andargument when they sold it and
the new owners.
You know the son was a littlebit of an asshole so I quit and

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I went out on my own and startedG&R Automotive and I never
looked back and then I workedreally hard on that.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So the machining that you were doing it was
automotive machining.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yes, and you know when tool and die people would
talk about oh you know, they'reso precision I would say well,
you know, you talk about workingin thousandths of an inch.
In the automotive industry wework in ten thousandths of an
inch because you can't put acrankshaft in an engine unless
it's ground to within five, tenthousandths of an inch, it won't
turn.
And so you know.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I.
It might turn, but not for verylong.
No, yeah, it's going to beseized up, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
So you know I was always around cars.
I mean I built my first cars inmy parents' driveway with
plastic and birch trees that Itied together and let the snow
make an igloo and I would sitinside.
I literally sit in a snowmobilesuit on the ground holding on
to a 100-watt light bulb to keepyour hands so you could make

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brake lines and, you know,scrape off rust and when it got
warm you painted it.
And you know I'm not kidding.
And this was in an igloo thatyou had built, yeah, in the
front driveway, in the driveway,in the driveway, and you were
working on vehicles inside it,inside my I went with my father,

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I was 17 years old, to ascrapyard in Northern Ontario,
in Sturgeon Falls, and the ownersaid I got a good little car
here for $150.
And it was a 63 Mercury Meteorwith all the fins and nice
chrome and everything.
And I looked at the car and Isaid boy sold, and so my father
paid for it and I had to pay himback and that car came into the

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driveway and basically I madean actual igloo over the top of
the car I did when Septembercame.
I mean, I actually built theframing work and tied all the
branches together, put theplastic over the top and when it
snowed I had a littleentranceway and I took an
extension cord from the garageand we put it inside and I was
working away on the car.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
That is, that is awesome.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
And that's what I did the whole winter, and I mean
some days it was minus 40, butyou know you're inside there and
your body heat you know itwarms up a little bit and you
know a 100-watt light bulb youcan see, good, it'll throw some
heat and you warm up your hands.
As long as your hands canfunction a little bit, you get
used to the cold.
That's great.
And with limited tools, youknow like you're scraping off

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rust with a scraper and a wirebrush and you know when it warms
up in May.
Well, now you're going to paintit.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
But you had all the mechanical work done.
I took the engine out, I tookthe transmission out, took
differential off, I had it standup on cement blocks.
That's awesome.
And you know I was anapprentice and basically you
know I was always fascinated bypeople going fast with their
cars, like quarter mile stuff,fascinated by people going fast

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with their cars, like quartermile stuff.
And the funky thing was, therewas this guy.
He was the world record holderfor the first guy to ever break
10 seconds in a quarter miledrag car.
His name was Drago Bridgak, hewas a Sudbury boy and basically
when he went to theinternational finals in Vegas I
even have a picture at my shopof his car and the write-up from
a newspaper that said you know,when he fired up that car at 3

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o'clock in the morning, theentire hotel shook.
I'm not kidding, I can show youthat, I can actually show you.
The guy gave me this thing outof a newspaper and he actually
worked for me.
I admired this guy, like he waslike my hero when I was a
teenager, because nobody, nobodyhad ever went that fast in a
car.
And, um, he was the first guyto take a 426 Hemi and make it

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2000 horsepower, naturallyaspirated with carburetors, wow.
And so he was sponsored by, youknow, ngk spark plugs, all
kinds of stuff like that, whichwere a good spark plug when he
came into the country.
So you see, that was one of thereasons.
When I worked at this companyand I, with these German people
and Yugoslavian people like thatfrom the old country, they were

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really, really goodtradespeople and they knew their
skills and they were reallyfussy about how things were done
, and so I spent three yearsthere and it was a learning
experience that, no matter whereI went, you know, I excelled
because I had the foundation.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yes, yeah, that's amazing.
So that, I guess, is the lovefor speed, was one of the
driving forces that led you tomachining, in particular,
engines and starting yourbusiness.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, I started my business doing, you know, oil
changes and brakes and tune-ups,because I was licensed in both
fields.
Doing, you know, oil changes andbrakes and tune-ups, because I
was licensed in both fields andyou know I loved making things.
So as a kid, growing up inschool, I mean I went to a
one-room schoolhouse which don'texist anymore, and the teacher

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had 56 students in eight grades.
Her name was Mrs Cunningham andyou know this little one room
schoolhouse and when they builta bigger school and they started
making this, um, everyclassroom was an individual
thing.
I had already went to the sixthgrade and then, basically, when
they transitioned us, I did thesixth grade over again and, and

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even though I'd already been inthe sixth grade, so the teacher
that was our homeroom teacherand the principal of that school
, mr Cameron, for some reason hepaid attention to me and in
grade seven he wanted me toenter in a science competition
and you know the library in theschool was a cart you pushed

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around from classroom toclassroom, had maybe a hundred
books on it.
People in today's society don'tunderstand how we grew up in the
North, okay, and how limitedcertain things was.
So I took a few books home andthen, basically the next day, I
showed Mr Cameron what I wasgoing to build and he was a very
tall, big guy and he said, gary, you're going to build that.

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I said, sir, why not?
And so I built this gristmill,a waterwheel gristmill system to
grind flour, which I'd seen ina book.
And I remember, you know, whenI would want a little piece of
wood to make a spoke orsomething for the wheels, I'd be
looking in a tree and sometimes, you know, you're blind to a
branch that's right beside you,so you'd climb the damn tree to

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cut something in the top.
You know, I mean I was justinvigorated to make all the
pieces and I had the tables andchairs all made and I made all
kinds.
I even made the saw cuttingthings and all that kind of
stuff for it.
I made all kinds.
I even made the, the sawcutting things and all that kind
of stuff for it.
And uh, basically in the school, you know, I won, and then the

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teacher entered me incompetition for Ontario, for all
the public schools and I wentthere.
Then I was entered in highschool.
I won there and then basically Ibeat everybody at university
level in the entire countrybecause the competition was at
Laurentian university in Sudburyand there was a couple of
people that and the judges thathad been over to Europe and they
saw these antique grist millsrunning on air or water like

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windmills and they were soimpressed by what I had done.
They kept voting for me all thetime and basically that's how I
won.
And you know I competed withuniversity students that had
done some amazing projects.
And you know I competed withuniversity students that had
done some amazing projects.
And you know they took us toToronto and went through the
Science Centre and you know theROM and stuff like that and

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looking at dinosaurs and allthat kind of thing.
So it was a good experience.
But then you know thatexperience in some cases kind of
backfires on you because nowwhen you get into high school
the teachers think, well,there's some kind of a prodigy
student that's going to bend totheir will, right, and I was not
a conformist.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And still aren't.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
No, I'm not.
And so I remember reallyupsetting the biology teacher
when I told her not to eat anypork because it gave her worms.
And so I proved it using apressure cooker and I didn't
have any pork.
So she brought the pork chopsin and in 36 days, when the
worms were crawling inside thejar, she threw up on her desk.
But she never talked to me forfour years.

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So I made an impression, I guess.
But you know, I always wantedtrade stuff and I remember in
high school the shop teacher forelectrics and and overall all
of the positions, actually knewmy father underground.
He was electrician in the minesand he decided to transition
and become a teacher in electricand stuff like that and um, I

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really I'll never forget MrYuppie.
He passed away a long time agobut when I told him I wasn't
going to be an electrician, Iwas going to be a machinist, he
actually cried and had tearsgoing down his face because I
was the first guy I know ofanywhere in Canada that put a in
high school, put a color TVtogether.
They didn't even exist.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
We had done it in high school.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, because I knew all the resistor codes like I
could look at any resistor andstill look at the stripes and
knew what the resistance wasinstantly.
And so he was really upset thatI wanted to be a machinist but
I just liked making stuff and Ithink one of the reasons I never
wanted to be an electrician.
When I was a little kid, around12 years old, in my mother's

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kitchen there was a bad cordwire on the stove kettle you
know the electric kettle and thewater from the spoons went on
to the I was drying spoons and Igot this shock so bad I hit the
floor, and so after that I hada respect for invisibility I
can't see it coming.
I can't see it coming.
Yeah, so you know I was alwayshunting and fishing in the bush.

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You know always, and you know,even years ago, when I went to
different reserves and you knowdifferent people would bring me
and say, well, this guy's areally good mechanic, so I'd fix
their ATVs or stuff like that.
I'd be there to help them outand you know we'd go hunting and
after a day or two in the bushI'd say, what are we walking

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through the bush?
Are we sightseeing here?
And they'd all get all insulted.
I said, well, we're looking formoose, right, they're right
beside us.
And they'd say and say, walk inthe bush there, why is the crap
still steaming?
Oh, let's follow those tracks.

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I said, well, we could have donethat three days ago.
How do you know the animals arethere?
I said, well, I pay attentionto what I see in the work of the
trees, certain branches bent,certain things being damaged,
and I know what certain animalsdo, that it's not just anything.
And so my father trained me andthen I, you know, when we were

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kids growing up, during the dayin the summertime, different
indigenous families that youknow lived in the area.
I always took a liking to oldpeople.
I mean, I was hanging around inthe corner of the porch
listening to the grandparentstalk about things when my
parents would say, go outsideand play, and you know the rest

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of the kids went outside, but Iwould sit on the porch and
listen to the stories.
Yeah, and to me that was justlike the best thing.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, speaking of stories, I'm intrigued with your
dad and working underground somany years ago.
Do you remember any storiesthat he told you about working
underground and maybe why itwasn't a good idea?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, you know they worked in conditions that were
basically, you know, like a ratin a coal mine.
It was terrible and there wassome major strikes in Northern
Ontario, you know whereInternational Nickel, you know,
got shut down and Coppercliffeand all these big companies got
shut down because the conditionswere so bad.

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And you know, I mean nowthere's maybe a few thousand men
working on ground and they'reworking in conditions that you
know the people that startedworking there would have dreamed
to have.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
It was really bad and you know Back in the days where
they still used canaries.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well, pretty well, you know.
But in the mining of nickel andyou know copper and stuff like
that, in international nickeland gold and whatever other
minerals they took out, butmostly it was nickel you know
they had some pretty goodventilation.
But still, you know, when yougot scoop trams, diesel motors,

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scooping material and driving itto a chute and it goes down and
then brings up by elevatorafter it's ground underground
and bring it up throughelevating system, you know
there's a lot of dust and you'rebreathing all that stuff.
Yeah, you know, and you'rewalking around in the dark with
a light on your hat.
You know, basically that's yourvisibility.

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And then you know my fatherbecame a long hole blaster.
I mean, he was such an expertwith Amix and blasting caps and
he showed me some stuff and wegot in trouble a couple of times
from my dad with my brother andI.
You know, in those days youcould go down to the local store
Firecracker Day and you'd get awhole bag of firecrackers for a

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dollar and they had one ofthese blaster big yellow-black
ones inside.
Remember all these little redones in there?
So what we did?
Well, it was my idea and mybrother and I we got the belt
for that because we could haveblown up the house.
I took a 40, I wanted to see howstrong I could make the thing
too right.
So I took a 45 gallon barrel andI put the barrel on the sand.

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But before I put the barrel down, what I did was I dug a little
trench and I took all the littlefuses and I tied them all
together and I took all thepowder out of the red
firecrackers and I put them in aKleenex and I packed it really
good and then I put that bigmonster firecracker in there and
I tied all the fuses to it andI had about three feet long long

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and then we filled the barrelwith right to the top with sand
45 gallon barrel.
And it was about two feet awayfrom the house my parents at
that time.
That house still exists but ithad a breezeway and so my
brother and I I lit it on fire.
We ran through the other sideof the breezeway and it sounded
like about three 12 gauges goingon and the barrel went up in

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the air Like.
It looked like a pop can, allthe sand dumped on the roof and
stones on the house and thebarrel landed about a quarter
mile away in the neighbor's yard, missing his car.
Okay, and my mother came out ofthe house pissed right off.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Oh yeah, wondering what's going on.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Oh yeah, and she said get that branch and we got it
beaten.
And then my father gave us thebelt when we got home and he
said I told you not to do thatkind of stuff.
So we did some experiments thatwere a little, you know,
outrageous as kids would get.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
you know, that's okay though that's how you learn.
Oh, I'm telling you, you liveto tell the tale.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Oh, I'm going to tell you something.
It's lucky we didn't live,because if we would have had the
barrel angle the other way, wewould have took half the house
down.
I'm telling you that's funny andyou know.
So I was always experimentingand trying stuff and doing
things.
And you know, I remember in thehigh school competition, the

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science competition, when thisguy had told me, you know, he
had made his son electric car.
It was basically a startermotor instead of and he took the
gears off to start your car andhe put a pulley on and
basically had it up to a batterywith a switch that was onto the
gas pedal and and you know hehad brakes and you know the kid

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was a teenager He'd sit in thecar and press on the gas pedal
and basically the starter drovethe car around.
And so I was watching this andI said to the man and he was a
physicist I said, you know, whydon't you put some kind of a
pulley system on so that whenthe starter drives the motor
from the battery, the pulleyswould turn an alternator and it

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would generate the battery andyou know you basically be able
to drive anywhere.
And the guy said, well, thatwould be infinite power.
Like you can't do that, that'snot possible.
And I kept thinking in my brainhow is that not possible?
Because I mean, if you put thepulley ratio three times as fast
, it's going to make enoughpower to keep charging the
battery, and that's been allproven.

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True, now, but I could see thatas a kid.
Yeah, I mean my, you know,because I don't look at any kind
of problem as being a problem.
There's always a way offiguring it out.
And so when I started in myautomotive business, porting and
polishing stuff, you know Istarted without any.
You know air equipment or youknow systems that most of the

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people in big shops were using.
I just thought you know in mybrain one day, why don't I take
a plastic cylinder, put a cap onit?
I'll clamp it to the bottom ofa cylinder head, put a garden
hose on it and I'll put some airin on the side with the air,
and I could put the air andwater in together whatever rate

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I want, and even if I just usewater, I can take and open the
valves in and out and clamp themwith a vice grip and watch
where the water goes outbackwards, and then I would know
where the restriction is.
So that's how I startedimproving performance and
porting and polishing.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And then, when Toyota first having Toyotas in Canada,
so explain to all of ourDiaries family what actually is
port and polish.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Okay.
So if you look at the runner onan engine or you look at
anything that has velocity forair, so if you put a car in a
wind tunnel and you put smoke inthe wind tunnel with the car,
you can see where the air fromthe fans is blowing the smoke
over the car.
So then you can change theaerodynamics.

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So it's the same thing.
As you know, you watch a birdfly.
That's how they figured out howto make wings for airplanes and
they started making things.
So you look at the shape of awing of an airplane and when you
put air over the top of it andif you put smoke in the air or
some kind of film, you can seewhere it's going to touch the

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plane wing.
So you know where theresistance is, and then you can
change that structure and thentry again till you get the least
amount of resistance and themost amount of elevation.
So it's the same thing.
When a car runs, so inside therunner, you know you're going to
have restrictions.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
And runner, you mean.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Inside the runner of the engine, so like where the
air goes into the chambers.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, so through, so inside the cylinder.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
No, so through the carburetor or fuel injection
unit Yep Then through the intakemanifold Yep.
And then directly through thecarburetor or fuel injection
unit, then through the intakemanifold and then directly
through the runner, going inbefore it hits the valve Okay,
and when the valve opens the airis coming in.
So when Toyota, for example,first introduced their product
into Canada and in the UnitedStates and the first cylinder

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heads, when I was working in themachine shop and I took them
apart, I started noticing thatToyota had put an extra cut line
on the intake valves on theinside top edge.
So if somebody doesn'tunderstand that, if a valve was
standing on a table you wouldhave a 45 degree angle, but

(29:21):
closer to the stem you'd haveanother 30 degree angle or 15
degree angle.
So I started looking at thatand saying, hmm, that's a good
idea.
So when I would take a set of350 Chevy heads or Ford heads or
Chrysler heads, I would takeand put the valves in, grind the
45, and then I would take andgrind these extra angles on

(29:42):
those valves.
That was traditionally not inNorth American cars and right
away I had better performance.
I would just do little thingslike that and then I basically
understood, because I was usingwater instead of air and
watching how the water flowedthrough the cylinder backwards

(30:04):
because I had to wash parts.
So when I was 18 years old,washing parts in Nordic engines
outside of Sudbury, and youwould put the power wash wand on
a cylinder head and the waterwent through the runners and you
didn't get wet.
But yet the next 10 set ofheads which were the same part
numbers, basically you weredrowned with water like backflow

(30:28):
.
So I, I under, I wanted to.
Why is this one working sodifferently than that one?
So when I'd be cleaning theseheads I would put my close my
eyes and put my hand inside theholes and feel what the
difference was.
It's just, I want to know.
From the time I was a little kid, I always had the why in my

(30:49):
brain.
Why does that work like that?
How does that work?
Why are we doing this way?
What for?
I just have that curiosity thatnever stops.
You know I'm always asking why.
I want to know why.
How does it work?
You know I'm always asking whyI want to know why.
How does it work?

(31:09):
So you know, if a piece brokeon a car, I would spend half the
day breaking it apart in littlepieces to figure out what was
wrong inside, then I want toknow what caused that.
Instead of most people wouldjust put a part on and drive
away.
I wanted to know why.
Because if this thing had thisproblem, somebody else has the
same problem.
Absolutely Right.
And so that was just my mindsetall the time.

(31:41):
And so you know, growing up inthat kind of stuff, making
things, working for this company, and they had basically hardly
any business to pay me, but theywere looking for a machinist I
made them print business cardswith my name on it, even though
I wasn't the owner of thebusiness, that's right.
And then I borrowed theircompany truck and I went to all

(32:01):
their customers and said I'm thenew machinist in this machine
shop and you know, when you wantsomething you've got a problem
with an engine or anything likethat you know you can have a
mechanic.
Give me a call when I get thecylinder head I'll diagnose it
backwards.
I want the head gasket.
And sometimes people would saywhy do you want the head gasket?
I said well, you know, I'll askyou a question.
When we were taking the cylinderhead off, was there some bolts

(32:24):
very, very hard to take out?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I said okay, but the rest wereloose.
Oh yeah, we think that's whythe head gasket blew.
I said no, the bolts that weretight is the reason the head
gasket blew, because those boltsbought them to the bottom of
the hole.
They didn't turn tight and theydidn't tighten the head gasket
down enough.
So when you sent me the headgasket back, I took a micrometer

(32:45):
out and I measured the headgasket and where the gasket had
burned was the thickest part ofthe head gasket, and where it
was crushed properly it wasthinner.
So that right away tells methat that bolt stretched or
touched the bottom.
Or when the guy took the headoff, there was dirt in the
bottom or oil or water went inand he didn't clean out the hole
.
Good, put the new head gasketon, torque the head down, but it

(33:07):
didn't get torqued properlybecause the bolt touched the
bottom.
So you see, I want to know whyall the time.
And so I got a reputation ofwhen I fix something I'm going
to fix it or I'm not doing it.
And you know I was innovativewhen I first started doing car
shows.
I went with no parts toInternational Center Speedorama.

(33:31):
I brought cylinder heads thatI'd machined and ported.
I brought a block, the way Iboard it differently, and I
brought, you know, a camshaftand a set of maybe pistons.
And then I explained toeverybody coming down there look
, this motor makes 350horsepower.
It's a high-performanceCorvette motor.
So you can make that same motor, make 475, by doing these

(33:55):
little tweaks, and everybodywould think it was impossible.
And then some old guy in theback listening to me talk say
this guy's telling the truth.
Because you see, what I wouldexplain to them is we're not
going to build the motor to whatyou want the horsepower to do.
We're going to build the motorto what gear ratio you have in
the rear end, because if youhave a highway gear ratio you

(34:17):
can't take off easily off theline unless you have a certain
amount of torque and power.
And if you want thecruisability and not the motor
screaming all the time, you needto know what the differential
gear ratio is and your tire size.
Then we'll put the rightscenario for transmission right
Torque, inverter, stall, speed,all that.
And now we'll pick the camshaftaccording to those two so that

(34:41):
will open the valves at theright powertrain and angulation
all the time, so that way you'renot taking off and seeing the
car with clouds of black smokeand you're burning all kinds of
fuel and everything else.
And then I also explain wherepeople are buying aftermarket
heads with these super bigrunners.
So explaining that is you know,if you put water through a

(35:04):
half-inch garden hose and it'sgot to go 500 feet and you only
have 40 PSI of pressure pushingit, at the end of that 500 feet
your water may flow out at,because it's a half-inch hose,
50 feet away because it's gotenough pressure.
Yeah, take a two-inch hose allright in diameter and only have

(35:25):
40 PSI.
The water at 500 feet is justgoing to dribble out Because
you've got such a big volume itcan't travel fast enough.
So guys would put these largecylinder heads on with big
runners and wonder why their cardidn't go fast.
So when I would take the headoff and look at it, the gasoline
because it's cold coming in,cools down the air.

(35:45):
You could see the bottom of theport nice and clean, and the
top is dirty.
So that means the fuel isdropping out of suspension.
And so on the exhaust sideagain, when people look at a
runner, they have the headturned upside down.
They always cut on the shortside because thinking the
exhaust gases have to go outthrough the shortest route

(36:06):
possible.
Meantime heat does not go tothe bottom, it rises.
You're sitting in a room, theceiling is warmer than your
floor.
I don't care where you are,that's for sure.
That's a fact, because yourheat is always going to rise.
So when you're grindingmaterial and you're grinding on
the bottom and it's on theexhaust side, you're actually
defeating the purpose.

(36:27):
You're going to slow thatrunner down because the heat
wants to run along the long sideat the top, because the head's
not on upside down, it's onright side up.
That's right.
So you understanding automotiveand you're working on your own
stuff, right, you understandthat.
So I would explain this.
At car shows, and when I firstdid a car show, you know I

(36:49):
boiled down the mathematics.
What I did was this guy offeredme, you know, a booth space and
he said okay, you know, we got50 to 80,000 people coming in
and walking by your display orwhatever, and you know you're
going to make business.
So I boil the math in my brain.
There's no way I can talk to50,000 people.

(37:11):
I might be able to talk to5,000 people in three days.
Hi bye, here's a flyer.
Whatever.
Out of 5,000 people, I willtalk to 500 having a good
conversation over three days.
Out of 500, if I get 50 peopleto come to my shop and they
spend $2,000, that is a hundredgrand and I'm only making 40.

(37:35):
So if, even if I get half ofthat, I jumbled my business and
so I actually proved thatreality out, so that when I
would do a car show on a Mondaymorning, I'd have four or $5,000
worth of deposits and I'd havesix months of work booked in
advance.
So basically and I did the mathin my brain and so when I would

(37:56):
go to outdoor shows.
I would tell guys.
I would say, listen, you knowyou don't realize the power you
have because you're not doingthe marketing the right way.
Don't try to sell people onwhat you do.
Sell them on what the result isgoing to be in the experience
they're going to have.
Yes, right, because they wanttheir car to go fast.

(38:18):
So you explain them how you'regoing and you know, don't ask
for them to give you business.
I explained to them.
Here's what you need to do.
You don't have to come and seeme.
Just do these three things.
Your car is going to gain 50more horsepower, right,
automatically.
And then if you do this otherthing, which you bring me to
Hads and Ports, I can guaranteeyou another 50 more horsepower.

(38:40):
So I showed them how they couldaccomplish it on their not
trying to get any business atall.
I just that was my mindset.
I'm not doing this to make anymoney.
I'm trying to educate you andthrough the fact that I would
educate them so well, I hadpeople come and see me 10 years
after I'd done a car show sayingI know the prices have changed.

(39:02):
Here's your price list andwhatever you're going to charge
me.
I want you to build the engine.
I'm ready now.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
That and that is the key to any successful business.
That is translatable directlyover to the lodge business.
Because I was selling theexperience.
I was selling you know and andI wasn't saying come here, but
you know what the north is sucha beautiful place.
You sell the experience.
You can go and find thisexperience anywhere and when you
do a great job at educatingpeople, they want to come and

(39:38):
they.
I think it's that thirst foryour love of what you do and the
fact that that is the key tobeing the best at something that
you can be and people areattracted to that.
Like attracts, like Positiveattracts positive.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Well, it's the same thing I've applied.
Okay, so because I grew up in ahousehold you know where my
mother was, you know very muchabout, there's a God and I was
raised that way and I for somereason it stuck in my brain, not

(40:19):
the fact that my parents or mymother or my grandmother,
anybody talked about God, it'stheir actions that showed me and
at the same time I it was likein my brain, in my DNA, to
realize when I was outside thatthere had to be a greater force

(40:41):
than my mind could evencomprehend, because everything
is organized, chaos, but itworks perfectly.
So when you look at nature andyou look at things, there's a
reason for everything you know.
You might think, when you growfood, well, why do the weeds
outgrow your food?
So, studying nutrition and Ididn't study nutrition until I

(41:04):
started formally in a school at50,.
But I got involved withnutrition because at 38, was
basically told you know you'redying.
And I tell the doctors look, Iknow I'm dying, tell me
something new, because whatyou're telling me doesn't make
any sense.
But and they kept telling meCrohn's and colitis was
basically there was no cure andI was bleeding some days a cup

(41:27):
of blood and they wanted to cutme open and look inside and
after two years of testing theycouldn't tell me what they were
looking for.
So I basically told, I gavethem middle finger and I walked
out of the office with sixdoctors sitting there wondering
what they were going to do withme.
But I never came back.
I never went back and I startedthinking at 38 years of age.
By the time I was 40 and I wasreally in bad shape.

(41:49):
My wife was walking on me andrubbing the skin off her
knuckles for me to just functionevery day.
And at 40 years of age I waswalking around like I was 85
with a limp and my feet and toesand I was just hurting pain,
lower back pain.
It was some days I thought myeye teeth would fly out of my
face and you know, I keptwondering how did I go from

(42:12):
where I was that I could outruna deer?
At 16 years of age we could runa deer down in the bush with a
stick, bang on trees, and deerrun in a circle.
They always do.
They never run back and forth,whatever, they run in a circle
right, around, around, aroundaround and you could chase them
for hours and it just keeprunning.
And because they know theirarea, that's what's comfortable
about them.

(42:32):
Once they know their area, theyknow what's there, and so you
know we would run them theexhaustion.
And I kept thinking you know, Iwas working 18, 20 hours a day
and I, you know, I got sick.
And then I started realizingwhat was going on, thinking
about what I was doing food,wise stuff like that I started
changing everything.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
And what were you doing at that time?
Food-wise.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
When I got sick, a coffee truck comes in.
I couldn't touch McDonald's foryears.
Sorry, McDonald's, but if I eatyour food I'm in the hospital.
It's plain and simple.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I think if everybody eats that food too much, they're
in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
And you know I lived, you know, running your
automotive business.
I'm working an 18-hour day.
You know I was eating junk.
Coffee truck comes in.
You know pizza, pizza, whatever.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
You know all kinds of just fast food, and this is a
very, very interesting topic.
And just before we leave theautomotive side of things, what
is one of the most memorablebuilds that you ever did,
whether it's the most powerfulengine you put together or just

(43:51):
a single memorable moment fromthat chapter of your life?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Well, it's still part of my life.
I mean, I'm still building atmy own will.
Whenever somebody approaches mefor a custom engine build you
know for mostly for show carsand stuff like that, you know,
or some performance thing, Iwill build them on my own
timeline, not like I used tolike.
I was under a gun for a certaintimeline.

(44:16):
Some of the best bills thatI've done were old Camaros and I
had a guy live in my shopbasically for two years while he
was building his car.
I got all the pictures to proveit and it was $20,000.
We're talking 35 years ago on atable, $20,000 worth of parts
and that car won every trophyand thing that it ever went into

(44:40):
.
What was it?
A Zed, yeah, zed 28 Camaro 1969.
And then I built another 69 fora guy by the name of Dale Oldham
.
He used to work for Ducruppiand Sons as their heavy duty
mechanic and I was.
He met me at a car show and Itold him he was looking for a
DZ302 original motor block and Ihad it and the one condition

(45:05):
that I sold him the block andthe crankshaft was I was going
to build the engine, otherwise Iwasn't going to sell that motor
and those parts and he said ithad to be factory original and I
guaranteed him that this motorwas going to be a hundred
percent like.
It came off the line and whenhe entered he beat everything in

(45:25):
Ontario and in Canada prettywell.
And then he entered his car inthe United States where it's
strictly 1,000 Camaros andthey're all the same year and
everything and he was judged.
The first time a Canadian carever beat anybody in the United
States and the judges told himis the detailing on the engine
that one?

(45:45):
That one made the car thedifference because not everybody
had the exact nuts and boltswith the washers and everything.
And because I grew up knowing,you know, at 17, when I was
working for Nordic engines andpeople got me to build stuff at
the end of the day.
Or you know, when I was 22,starting my own business and I
was still working at um, umQueensbury automotive in Toronto

(46:09):
and people would bring me.
I had a little shop on theToronto and people would bring
me.
I had a little shop on the sideand people would bring me, you
know, four or five engines inboxes and bolts and they wanted
one engine to come out of it andyou know, they'd bring
so-called mechanics with themand I'd be organizing the bolts
and and some guy would be makingsome smile Well, that belongs
to this and that, and I wouldput it in a different pile.
And then by the time an hourwent by, the customer would say,

(46:33):
it's okay, I don't need youanymore, this guy knows what
he's doing.
And the guy would be like a50-year-old guy.
But I knew I could.
You could blindfold me.
I could put my hands on thebolt and say, well, that's a
Chevy bolt, that's a Ford bolt,that's a Chrysler bolt, that's
something else.
And bolt, that's a Chryslerbolt, that's something else.
And you know, people used to beamazed.

(46:54):
I would walk into a room with150 crankshafts and say, okay, I
gotta go and get that one downthat aisle right over there and
walk through the thing and pickthat up.
How do you know what it is?
They all look the same to me.
No, no, no, they don't.
You know because you're.
You know I look at cylinderheads.
When I look at the end of acylinder head, even even now and
I'm not doing it every day Ijust know what year and model
that came off over whatproduction run.

(47:15):
Pretty well just from the GM orthe Ford or the Chrysler or the
Oldsmobile or Pontiac startedat 22 on my own and I had from
17 to 22 working for otherpeople basically running

(47:37):
cylinder head departments whereI was building 300 cylinder
heads a week.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
You know, yeah, that's so much experience.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
And at the same time, when I'm building 300 cylinder
heads a week, I was running 10pieces of equipment, sometimes
at the same time.
You know people would look atme walking around machining
rotors and flywheels and thisthing and their head resurfer's
going.
I got the hot tank going, I'mcleaning parts, I'm grinding

(48:09):
valves.
You know you're like a robotalmost, but you know because
when you understand what you'redoing and how much time it takes
to certain things, it's justautomatic.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, that's, that's amazing and that story with that
car, that 69 Zetter.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I have the pictures, the shoe.
I can show you the pictures toothe pictures.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
That right, there is an amazing achievement and folks
, on that note, we're going totake a short break and on the
other side, I am intrigued withwhat you talked about as far as
your health, and I'd like tojust rewind back a touch at that

(48:51):
point and talk about somebodyvery important, I believe, from
knowing you a little bit, thathelped you realize the true
nature of your health and how tofix it, and that's your
grandmother.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yes, she basically started me as a kid.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
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Speaker 3 (50:05):
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of our natural world becomeharder and harder to hear, but
they are still available tothose who know where to listen.
I'm Jerry Ouellette and I washonoured to serve as Ontario's
Minister of Natural Resources.
However, my journey into thewoods didn't come from politics.

(50:26):
Rather, it came from my time inthe bush and a mushroom.
In 2015, I was introduced tothe birch-hungry fungus known as
chaga, a tree conch withcenturies of medicinal use by
Indigenous peoples all over theglobe.
After nearly a decade of harvestuse, testimonials and research,

(50:49):
my skepticism has faded toobsession and I now spend my
life dedicated to improving thelives of others through natural
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But that's not what the show'sabout.
My pursuit of the strangemushroom and my passion for the
outdoors has brought me to theplaces and around the people
that are shaped by our naturalworld.
On Outdoor Journal Radio's,under the Canopy podcast, I'm

(51:13):
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Speaker 2 (51:32):
Podcasts or wherever else you get your podcasts.
Welcome back folks to Diariesof a Lodge Owner, and I'm
sitting here with good friendGary Thiebaud and we've been
having an unbelievableconversation, learning about
your machining life and yourchildhood and your father
working in the mines, and it wasexcellent.

(51:56):
Thank you very much for that.
You're very welcome.
My pleasure and you know I cantell right now this isn't going
to be our last podcast becausethere's so much stuff to unpack.
But one of the things that youalluded to before the break was
the fact that you had gottenvery sick in your early 30s and

(52:21):
with a mind that you have whereit's cause and effect and you
constantly look for not thesymptoms but the root cause of
things, and this kind of led youdown a path that, um, that that

(52:41):
that you currently do today.
But, um, let's talk about howyou you ended up sick and what
you did to pull yourself out andstart from your roots.
We talked about yourgrandmother.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Well, my grandmother on my mother's side was the only
real grandparent I saw, becauseher husband was murdered and
the police reports sayaccidental drowning, but the guy
swam the Sturgeon Falls RiverPower Dam and that's recorded
actually.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
So hold on, we went through some real history, I'll
tell you.
So let's okay, let's unpackthat a little bit.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Okay.
So because we are Native, mymother would never even admit
she was a Native woman till shewas like a year or so before she
passed away.
She said you know, I challengedher more than once, even as a
kid.
I would say Mom, how did youget the name?

(53:45):
The King's Indians?
Because if you understandFrench and the definition of
words, the name Savary in French, even if you look on government
websites, it says basicallysavages of the king.
Yeah, because Savary meansSavarois.
So how are you king?

(54:07):
How are you chief?
That's the definition of thename.
So I was, you know, alwaysasking questions like that and I
was always being denied.
You know the existence.
But I always heard my father,you know, basically saying you

(54:28):
know, when he was drinking a lotand if you know a good
Newfoundlander, I mean he shouldhave been the worm in the
tequila bottle.
If you know a goodNewfoundlander, I mean he should
have been the worm in thetequila bottle.
Okay, I'm not kidding, I'veseen him drink 24 bottles of
Labatt's, 50 in an hour, 24bottles, and then he'd go
outside and work like he was amachine, I mean moving
truckloads of sand with a shoveland a wheelbarrow.
He had physical strength thatmost people can't even imagine.
He had physical strength thatmost people can't even imagine.

(54:50):
When I tell people a 150-poundman could hold, with his hands
straight out, forearms like this, straight out, he could hold
five bags of Portland cement.
That's 400 pounds and walk withit anywhere.
Like it was really crazy.
And so, you know, I inheritedquite a bit of physical strength

(55:14):
from my father and my genealogywise, because when I met my
wife at 26 and she was 22,basically she said I didn't know
my own strength and I used topick up a 350 short block,
complete, which was 550 pounds,and put it up on a bench, and I
didn't use no engine crane oranything, I just picked it up
off the floor and lifted it.
And so, you know, I came fromworking hard.

(55:38):
You know we physically workedhard all the time.
And so, you know, when I saw mygrandmother, she was always, you
know, either gatheringsomething or picking something
up, and she'd roll it up andstick it in her apron.
And you know, when she came toour house and we went into the
forest picking blueberries,she'd tell me to go pick up

(56:01):
something and I'd bring it toher and she started.
You know I'd say, well, youknow why, or whatever.
She said, well, this is poison.
And so, as a little kid, youknow, you throw it on the ground
.
You think you're going topoison yourself.
But she'd explained that if youuse this with a little bit of
fat and you put it on somebody'sskin, uh, you know it would
stop their nerve problem and Iquestioned those kinds of things

(56:22):
and you know I had limited timearound her and um, but it's
stuck in my brain and so go backto the murder.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Well, what happened?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
He drowned in a car.
But the strange thing was thatone of the people in the car
there was four other people inthat car that escaped out of the
car and a farmer that was inthat car hung himself a year
later.
And they all said that mygrandfather was murdered and

(57:02):
everybody accused him of being anative man.
But he always said he wasFrench.
But if I show you mygrandparents' pictures he looks
like an Indian and a white man'shaircut.
To my brain there's just no wayif this guy wasn't native.
I I'm, I'm from the green landon the moon, okay, and you could
see it.
And even if I show you picturesof my father, you know, my

(57:24):
father used to tell me, you know, that he had blonde hair, like
I did, when I was a kid, when hewas a kid, but you know, when
you're, when you're a little kidsix, seven, eight years old and
you have really light, lighthair, and your father has jet
black, straight, poker hair,like I mean, it's jet black.
Yeah, you know you, you can't,you can't fathom how could you

(57:46):
have blonde hair and he has jet?
How could he have blonde hairwhen he was a kid?
Would you have blonde hair?
And he has?
How could he have blonde hairwhen he was a kid?
And so, for example, if I goahead a little bit, I had my DNA
tested and you know, we knowNewfoundland was invaded by the
Vikings, and then the Dutch andthen the Spanish, and then the
French and then the English.
So we got traces of that DNAall the way from the beginning.

(58:11):
So someone had sex with thewomen and left the kids behind.
There's just no other wayaround.
You can deny it all you want.
But my father said he was aBeothuk native Indian and he
didn't show up in the censusrecords until he was 19, after
he entered the military, and theonly reason he didn't get sent
overseas is because they stoppedtaking men two weeks before the

(58:32):
war ended.
Otherwise I guess I wouldn'texist.
Because Newfoundland, out ofall the provinces in Canada, in
the Second World War lost themost people, 8,800 men.
90% of my father's friends thathe grew up with never came home
.
Yeah, you know.
And the First World War, becauseNewfoundland was still under
England.
You know, there was a group of.

(58:53):
They were natives and Frenchmixed.
They were called the Blue Petitand they were called that
because the government would noteven give them material in
green color.
So they got this blue materialand made all their own uniforms
right and they stood out like asore thumb.
So when they were droppedoverseas, I mean the foreign

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armies could see them like amile away and that's a bright
blue uniform they were.
No one of them ever came home.
Yet our governments don't evenrecognize that.
It kind of pisses me off.
You know what I mean, and so sowhy would?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
why would somebody want to murder your grandfather?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
He was a native guy buying up land and really he was
so talented, according to whatI learned from my mother, that
people that were sick would comeand he would pray on them in a
different language and he wouldgive them remedies.
He would go in the forest andpick it up.
My grandmother did the samething, okay, and he people would

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bring them horses that theywere basically going to shoot
because the horse had a brokenleg or the horse was something
was wrong with it, and mygrandfather was repairing these
animals like they'd never beeninjured.
And so when the Trans-CanadaHighway was being built Highway
17, from March Day along the VevRiver all the way to Hager and
beyond, nobody knew how tonegotiate through there, and so,

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even though they had equipment,they couldn't move the stones
and the rocks without using ateam of horses, and my
grandfather had the best team ofhorses and the best buckboards.
He was a builder, and so hebasically built that whole
foundation of that road forabout 40 miles with a team of
horses and unloading the stones.

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And other people were jealousbecause he invested the money in
buying land and at one time hehad four or 500 acres, and when
my grandmother died, or when hedied, my grandmother, she was so
distraught she basically gaveaway a lot of land just to
survive.
And some of those pieces ofland, guys put platinum mines in
them and took out platinum.

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I'm not kidding, I can actuallyshow you they made fortunes
right.
It was a lot of jealousy andthings going on.
You'm not kidding you, I canactually show you they made
fortunes right.
It was a lot of jealousy andthings going on, you know.
Back then, and so my mother,you know, I said well, you know,
why didn't you ever admit?
We were too badly persecuted.
We were persecuted and pickedon all the time because we're
native, you know.
So they just hid themselves.
Yeah, we're French right, justhid themselves.

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Yeah, we're French right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And they spoke French right, so I grew up with that
in my brain.
So let's talk a little bitabout you getting sick now.
And we know that yourgrandparents had a wealth of
knowledge with the outdoors andnatural remedies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
And my mother and father too, like my mother, you
know, was a really good gardener.
My father was even better, andmy father when he came.
I don't know where theydisappeared to, but they were in
the house and they something.
You know.
My mother used to throw outstuff all the time.
I know she'd have no use for itand throw it away, but my
father had the hand shears forshearing sheep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
You know the old-fashioned ones, the metal
ones, Yep, no exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
And I want to tell you something my father I seen
him shear sheep a few times whenI was a little kid and, oh my
God, I bet you, if there wasthese guys who shear sheep in
Australia that are really good,I think if they would have come
up to Northern Ontario and seemy father's sheer sheep they
would have shut up and walkedback home, because he was like a

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machine, grabbed, the sheeptied the legs and the wool came
off like it was in a minute byhand, you know, with that little
flippin' thing, and you had tohave really strong hands to use
those things.
And so in Newfoundland he raisedsheep with his aunt and uncle.
His grandfather basically diedwhen he first came to Ontario

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and he never got to go back tothe funeral.
But he was out on the oceanfishing at 11 years old catching
codfish on a steel line.
And you know they would, that'sthe way that's.
You know he was out of schoolat 11.
He only went to grade three andit was his aunt that taught him
how to read and write, becausein school they didn't teach him

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anything, they were mostlybeaten on him, and so she took
him out of school and taught himhow to read and write.
And you know I got some oldpictures from when, you know he
was young, at my house and youknow you think about it.
My father held the world'srecord for cutting four foot

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pulp, which was 78 bushcord cutand piled in 22 days, and he was
written about in the localnewspaper in Cawdoroy not in
Cawdoroy Valley but Cornerbrook.
That local man sets world'srecord and nobody even today
with a chainsaw has cut morethan 75 bushcord of firewood or

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of any kind of wood and have itpiled with a road for a team of
horses to pick it up, even witha truck.
Nobody's done that.
My father did that when, youknow, after the Second World War
, like probably around 1950.
Yeah, right, and so you knowthey came.
They were cutting firewood, askids with a buck saw.
Every day you had to cut wood,Right?

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And you know, I looked at allkinds of old records and books
and you know it shows that youknow anthropologists that came
in the 1600s.
They said you know, theindigenous, the Biotic natives
of Newfoundland, have anunbelievable ability to build
clapboard houses.
So I think we'll keep themaround for a while.

(01:04:38):
Yeah, you know this ignorance,like you know, like it just
pisses me off when I read someof this stuff that they wrote,
you know, and it really does getunder my skin badly, like crazy
, does get under my skin badly,like crazy.
That you know, I estimate fromwhat my own brain thinking is.
I estimate that in Canada alonewe have at least 5 million

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people should be recognized asbeing indigenous or Métis.
And we're not, and we are adominant force.
We built this country.
It didn't fall into somebody'slap, we were innovators.
You know, without us nobodyelse would have survived, they
wouldn't have at all and I knowthis and you know so.

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I know that the way I wasraised in a forest at the edge
of a little community, you knowwe were very self-sufficient and
that's one of the things Iteach today is self-sufficiency,
and I try to talk about that.
And when I got sick at 38 yearsof age and I went to the medical
system for two years back andforth I mean, my arms looked

(01:05:44):
like heroin junkie.
I was afraid to wear a shortsleeve shirt in the summertime.
Police pull you over, you go tojail.
You wear a short sleeve shirtin the summertime.
Police pull you over, you go tojail.
You know I'm not kidding Fromall of the needles that they
were putting into you and youknow they couldn't tell me what
was going on with me, but I knewsomething was wrong.
So I blew up on the doctors andI basically gave up on them.
And because I started going tochapter bookstores from where my

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business was the last positionin around the city of Toronto at
Western Road and Finch, I usedto go up to Highway 7 and Finch
I mean on Western Road and go tothe chapters.
And I spent two years everynight from Monday night to
Friday night, from 7 o'clock to10 o'clock at night, reading,
because I didn't have money.
You know, I was a poorbusinessman.

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Nobody's rich when they start abusiness, believe me.
Anyway, I was studying to helpmyself and you know, the girls
at the front at the cash wouldannounce me our name on the PA.
Gary, we're closing in fiveminutes time Cause they knew I
was in the store even if theydidn't see me come in, I was

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there every day and I educatedmyself and so I started doing
things and changing things.
And then what my grandmotherand my parents basically taught
me about basic stuff, I startedreally implementing it and
researching it and practicing itand putting it into the food

(01:07:08):
supply.
And I told my wife one day inour Etobicoke backyard which we
still have, that house inEtobicoke I said you know, I'm
growing all my own food and shesaid, well, that's going to be a
lot of work.
Because she came from theOrangeville area here.
You know her father was thecare.
Her grandfather was a caretakerin Grand Valley for the school
for 50 years.

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He went to the same restaurant,same same stool for 50 years.
Seriously, the people who ownedthe restaurant came to his
funeral because they lost theirbest customer.
Yeah, right, anyway.
So they came, you know.
So you know my wife signed thefamily, for example.
You know they were farmers,right um, the german side came

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in the 1600s and then the irishcame in the 1800s and married
into the indigenous nativepeople and then basically they
had farms and they grew up onthe land.
And so you know, I had asimilar background and so even
harder.
You know, like I mean, I washunting for the food, we weren't
just going to buy it.
You know you had to kill it,drag it home and clean it up and

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put it in the freezer you know,or preserve it somehow, right.
So I decided I was going to goback to that.
I stopped everything from thestores and if my kids wanted
something, well, we bought itfor them, whatever.
But I basically started diggingup the backyard and you know, a
hundred by 60 lot, the 60 by Idon't know, 55 or something like

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that backyard had a few treesin it, lots of shade from the
neighbors.
I took the spots that weresunny and I basically 10 by 10
garden plots.
I started growing food and Igrew so much food and I never
spent tons of hours doing it.
I mean I would walk out in thebackyard drinking a cup of tea

(01:08:58):
and basically picked out theweed plants that I would cook at
lunchtime and letting my foodgrow.
And then, you know, my wife andI educated ourselves and I
talked and she got some oldrecipes from my mother and stuff
like that and I started buyingmason jars at yard sales and we
started learning how to preservefood and the way we did.
And then I startedexperimenting with drying stuff.

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Like I saw some older people inmy mother's grandmother's side
of the family, some of thecousins that were drying stuff
and stuff like that.
So I had all this littlebackground information and I
just started expanding it to thepoint where I advertised on the
internet through GoDaddy, yearsago that my food bill when my

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two daughters were home eatingand there was no lack of
anything my food bill was $30 aweek or less, and I'm talking
that was like that for 30 years.
Now I got trouble to spend 15bucks.
There's only two of us at home.
I don't know what do I need tobuy.
I buy some bread once in awhile.
That's about it, and I specificbread.

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I don't buy just anything.
And so you know that's.
What pushed me to becomingindependent and self-sufficient
was my health, and so I studiedon my own, you know, researching
and everything for 10 years,from the time I was 40 till I
was 50.
And I decided because I wasgoing to health food shows and

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you know people were getting meto speak.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
And how long did it take you to fix yourself, like,
what was the issue?
Did you actually find out whatthe issue was, or did you just
kind of go to the root of theproblem?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
They couldn't decide between Crohn's colitis or bowel
cancer.
And I knew I had Crohn's andcolitis because I saw my x-rays
and I saw that my intestinaltract some places were the size
of my small finger and otherplaces it was as wide as the
palm of my hand.
And so I know that'sinflammation in your gut lining.
And I knew that because all ofthe research I had done and I

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was experiencing all thesecramping and pains and bleeding
and and you know it was justhorrible and lower back pain.
And so you know I went tochiropractors and there was a
temporary relief and all thiskind of stuff and no matter what
the doctors gave me, it made itworse.
So I realized taking their crapwasn't working and so I started

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, you know, doing things andwhat were the key things that
made a difference?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
or were there?
Was it just the combination ofeverything?

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
It's a combination, but there's also some key
ingredients.
So first of all, I eliminatedall the store-bought foods.
I really I just stopped doingeverything.
All of the processed stuff,Everything else processed, Yep,
Okay, I just eliminated it all.
At one time I was even makingmy own bread.
The recipe that's in the Bibleis equal of chapter four, verse

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nine.
I was using that recipe to makebread and when I went to
nutrition school at 50 years ofage for the two years of plus I
was there part-time.
If I showed up on a Tuesday orThursday night without bread,
there was 35 young women whowanted to dissect me and kill me
because I didn't bring bread,I'm not kidding.
So because I made bread thatwas so tasty and so good and I

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don't do so much of it anymorebecause I'm kind of a little bit
busy, but in the wintertime Ido a little once in a while,
Anyway.
So when I decided to lookaround for a school, I went
around and I so you eliminatedall of the processed foods.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Then what are the other?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I started growing all my own stuff and doing it as
naturally as possible, and whatI started doing was
investigating plants, evenplants that I didn't know
anything about it.
I would pick it up and taste it.
I didn't go to books, I didn'tgo to the internet.
I didn't know anything about it.
I would pick it up and taste it.
I didn't go to books, I didn'tgo to the internet.
I don't anything.
I just I have a nose, I cansmell things and taste things

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like I don't know, like radar,and I can't explain that.
It's just in my brain.
So when I first met my wife andI, we went, went.
I took her hunting and, uh, youknow, we'd only gone out for
about three months and I tookher up North and we went hunting
and I saw this fern, a woodbranch fern on the ground, and I

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always, as a kid, loved thesmell of this fern.
Like I told my wife, I said youknow, if this thing, if I could
put a skirt on this and itcould cook, I'd get married to
it.
I mean, I just I could lay downin a patch of these ferns and
just stay there.
I just love the smell.
I don't know.
So I don't know if you, whetheryou don't believe in God or

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don't believe in God, but Ithink God put that in my brain
to recognize that this wasmedicine for me.
And so I remember hunting onefall and I carried a little
cooler around with me into myfriend's camps and stuff like
that, and I only ate my own food.
And when I had bought myproperty after 2001 in Sudbury I

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built a little really ruckushardcore camp.
I mean made out of the localpine trees and leftover plywood
I mean it's as rustic as you canget and I put a polycarbon
fiber roof on it and some of thescrews weren't tight and the
wind would blow and the rainwould come in and I'd sleep in
there and I would make my ownstuff.

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And so I showed up in myfriend's camp one night and I
wanted some hot water and theysaid, oh, it's on the stove.
So I went outside and I grabbeda handful of these ferns and I
put them in the cup and I pouredhot water in and my friends
knew I wasn't feeling that goodand they said, ah, you listen to
your doc, you're going to killyourself.
I said, well, if I drop deadafter I drink this tea.

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You know the bears roamingoutside your camp.
Just throw me outside, you knowhe'll take the head and my wife
will find the body.
She'll collect the insurance.
I don't care, you know.
But I'm not going to.
I'm I'm, I'm trying something.
You don't like it too bad.
And so I started drinking thistea and I noticed after the next
morning my gut felt better.

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So I drank this tea every daywhile I was in the bush for two
weeks.
I had a little metal cup and Iput some leaves inside and I
boiled the water over the stoveover the fire and I put the
leaves in and I made tea and Idrank it.
And I started noticing by theend of the two weeks almost I

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wasn't passing any blood armiesat all.
My gut felt so good and so Ipicked the jumbos black garbage
bag times two full of this stuffthat it was so much of it that
I couldn't see out of thepassenger side front window of a
Ford F-150.
And I came home and my wifesaid what have you lost your

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flipping mind?
Where are we going to put allthis stuff?
I had it hanging on thechandeliers on the back of the
Chesterfield.
I had it in the laundry room,every place I could hook
something up and I tried it andI started experimenting with it
because I wanted to know howmuch to use or whatever, and I
figured out that about twotablespoons in a cup of water

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and I could use it for threedays in a row and my gut started
healing, and healing reallygood.
And so when I ran into peoplewho had problems, I started
teaching them how to use it.
And then I started expanding myknowledge on other plants and
looking at and thinking aboutwhat my grandmother had taught

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me about certain things.
And then I started, you know,reading books and looking at old
things and going to yard salesand seeing some old book from
the 40s or 50s and buying it for25 cents and, you know, reading
through the entire book to findsome information and I started

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making a repertoire in my brain.
And then I was privileged to,you know, end up working with
different people on differentreserves elderly people because
you know, the school organizedgroups to go to different
reserves and help them grow foodor do stuff, and most people,

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you know, would come at 12o'clock not knowing some very
much stuff and they were justthere to, you know, give a
little bit of labor and gleanwhatever they could for free,
not really having any respectfor anybody, and four o'clock
they all disappeared.
Well, at 4 pm I stuck around.

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I'd sit down with this elderlyperson and I'd say what else do
you need done?
Community garden, we've got itunder control.
I'd bring a little rototillerand shovels and everything.
And I remember one time I showedup at this one place and I dug
so many holes to plant the corn.
The guy said thank God youshowed up because we would have

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never done this today.
Like, I dug about two acres ofholes every two feet.
I plant, you know, and theywere planting six corn inside
and I was explaining to themwhat to do and this elderly
woman started realizing wow,this guy's got skill.
So I would go down a lot oftimes on a Saturday afternoon
just visit her.
And, um, she was pissed off atthe community she was in.

(01:18:25):
She said I'm going to startputting on a skirt because
nobody wants.
She said they all come and eat,but then nobody wants to grow
anything.
And so she'd see me pickingcertain things to do and use and
she'd say what do you do withthat?
I said, well, I do it like.
Well, I do it like this.
And so we exchanged all kindsof information and I'd done that

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all over the place in Manitoba,all over Ontario, parts of
Quebec.
I've run into all you know likesometimes I'd be driving down
the road in the city of Torontoand I'd be in a hurry going to
pick up some parts and I'd seesome foreign person on the side
of the road picking up stufffrom tree branches or whatever.

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See some foreign person on theside of the road picking up
stuff from tree branches orwhatever, and I would stop and
say what are you doing?
Uh, how are you using this?
And sometimes you kind of speakEnglish.
But they would, they wouldunderstand, I wanted to know,
and they would explain to me intheir broken English oh, I'm
using this for this, and so youknow like one time I saw a woman
on the side of the road on anunderpass.
She was picking up.

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It grows at my farm like crazy.
It has a lot of silica in itand it grows where it's wet
always, and I'm trying to thinkof the right name now.
But I saw this woman and shecould barely speak any English
and she was picking up like bagsof this stuff, and so I finally
got it out of her that she wasbringing it home and put it in
the bathtub to soak with it tohelp heal her bones from the

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arthritis.
Really, yeah, that's what shewas using it for.
And so I said wow.
And so since I've known thatpart, I've run into different
people who actually use this tohelp fertilize their potatoes
and they actually make tea forit to spray on their potatoes to

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get rid of the bugs.
And so you know, I've neverstopped looking at stuff.
So, for example, you know, lastfall we'll say August, right
Beginning to start to cool downa little bit, cooler nights, I'd
say you know, we're going tohave a lot of, we're going to
have a real heavy winter thiswinter.

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We're going to have a lot ofsnow and it's going to be pretty
damn cold.
We're going to have a hardwinter and we're going to have a
cold late spring.
It's going to be up and downand people are looking at me
like I'm sideways you know, Isaid well, watch, it's going to
happen.
And you see, I look at certainthings and I can see from

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certain plants, I can see fromcertain trees how much fruit and
berries are on certain thingsthat you can't eat until they
freeze and thaw out.
And I know that the songbirdscoming back, that's their food
source before the ground's fullythawed out and there's worms
for them to eat.
They're eating that to keepthem alive for maybe a month or

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two and then they starttransitioning and at the same
time those berries clean themout.
So, for example, I've had womencome to me as a nutritionist
who want to get pregnant.
I've had, out of 11 women, I'vehad one that doesn't want to
listen.
That's why she didn't.
She doesn't have any children.
Okay, I'm not kidding you.
She wants to bang her head inthe wall, listen to the medical
system?
Fine, go ahead.

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The other 10 have all brought intheir children and show me.
And one woman, she was onlygiven a 2% chance of ever having
a second child.
She had so many miscarriages.
They said there's just no wayyou're going to have children.
And she was sent to me by anosteopath.
I explained to her what to do.
I gave her some jar with someberries in it that I'd cooked

(01:22:03):
down with a little bit of rawhoney to get rid of the bad
taste.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
And what kind?

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
of berries, european bird cherry, and I would have to
explain to somebody who waslistening to this how to use it
and why to use it.
And it's almost now that youcan't pick anymore.
It's almost the end of theseason and I'm probably going to
pick some and make some extraso that in case I run into
somebody that needs that help.
So I've learned to educate mymind and not believe anything.

(01:22:30):
So my mother had a saying whenI was growing up don't believe
anything you hear and only halfof what you see and you know.
I will never forget thatbecause I think that's one of
the best pieces of advice youcould ever be given.
Absolutely Right.
You know, people get brainwashedby other people's stupidity.
If you look at the history ofall of the great inventors, they

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went against the grain, theywent out of their way.
Some of these guys bankrupttheir companies three and four
times.
They worked 20-hour days fortrying everything that you could
imagine, like the light bulb.
The guy tried 1,001 things tillhe hit tungsten and made the

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light bulb right.
But he never gave up and hebankrupted his businesses three
times, lost everything he owned.
You know, look at the history.
If you look at, you know peopletalk about rights.
Look at the Constitution of theUnited States, the ten founding
people.
Three of them were murdered,seven of them, their properties

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were burned into destruction onpurpose, so that they would sign
the papers, so that theEuropeans would control us.
They never quit.
Not one of them put theirsignatures on.
It's the only reason UnitedStates and Canada are free
places.
People don't really investigatestuff and understand.
You know, I keep telling peopleand we're going to get a little

(01:23:57):
bit political in my brain hereright now, and I'm very strong
about this we have badgovernment in Canada and we are
catering to the ChineseCommunist Party because when
people say made in Canada, thebox is made in China with the
label Nothing in here is made inCanada.
We have no manufacturinganymore to talk about.

(01:24:19):
And our American cousins downthere, because we're the same
population, are saying wait aminute.
You know we're tired of this.
Well, we got to change ways.
And people are talking abouttariffs.
Well, most people don't realizethe United States in 1913,
until then, nobody paid any taxproperty or income tax.

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And in Canada there was minorproperty tax but income tax was
not into law until 1948, right,it was the five-year deal to pay
for the war measure FourMeasures Act and they kept it on
.
It's against the law to chargea human being tax.
That is a fact.

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The only reason they get awaywith it is you have a social
insurance number, so you becomea corporation.
That's why they charge you tax.
But it's not law.
I had an employee some 35 yearsago from New Brunswick.
It came into my business andasked me when he would get paid

(01:25:24):
and I said well, we hold one dayback.
You get paid tonight, thursdaynight, and you know, friday's on
next week's thing.
He said that's fine.
He said don't take any taxesfrom me.
Nothing, I said, but I have to.
He said no, you don't, justgive me my straight check.
And the government audited me.
Okay, they never questioned howcome I never took any tax from

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that guy, because they know it'sthe truth.
They know, they know itfactually.
And that guy told me a storywhere he worked for a guy in New
Brunswick who had 55 employeesand the government took him to
court every year or two andevery time he quoted something
out of the Constitution.
Boom, gabel went down, have anice day, sir.
And he walked out and neverpaid a dime for his employees or

(01:26:07):
himself ever, and so wetolerate shit.
You understand, yeah?
And something I hope thispodcast goes to a lot of native
reserves.
Unless you start voting tochange for your benefit, you're
always going to be stuck in thequagmire of no progress when you

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have the greatest wealthsitting in your hands and you
haven't even realized it yourindependence.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
And you know people like me.
When I go on the reserves, theylook at me like I'm the pale
face.
Okay, well, you know, I knowsurvival skills that none of
your children are being taughtanymore.
They're being brainwashed into.
You know the laptop and thecomputer and the cell phone.
And guess what?
If I shut the electricity off,which I predicted will happen

(01:27:01):
guess what it's going to suck tobe you when you don't know what
to eat.

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And that's something that everybody should know.

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Yeah, yeah, you need to start waking up and become
more reliant on you, that you'renot stuck depending on somebody
else.
And I mean the famous words ofJohn F Kennedy.
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my government do for me and whatcan you do for your?

(01:27:29):
Government should be turnedaround.
And so you know people, youknow we are the government, we
are the people.
If we allow what's going on, wewon't be the people, we'll be
the serfs and the slaves.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yeah, yeah, and on that note, my friend, I think we
touched on about four morepodcasts there.
Oh, don't get me started, ohyeah, Well, hey, listen, we've
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appreciate you being here.

(01:28:03):
And again, like I say, I thinkwe touched on about three or
four more podcasts in there.
We haven't even talked about aton of different things that you
do as far as blood analysis andeverything else, how we met,
but that will be for another day.
And, gary, thank you so muchfor joining me here today.

(01:28:24):
On Diaries of a Lodge Owner.

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It was my pleasure to show up here and I hope, to all
your listeners.
I will be back and I might bevery controversial with some of
the things I say, but you knowwhat the facts are.
The facts and the truth willalways be the truth, Well, and
the truth shall set you free.

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At first it'll piss you off.
The truth shall set you free,and first it'll piss you off.
Yeah, not the truth, yes, andfolks, thank you all for getting
to this point and listening tous.
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(01:29:05):
And thank you to all of thesupporters we have out there.
Andrew at Lakeside Marine, welove you.
And thanks again to everybodyand Nixon, night night buddy.
We will talk to all of you soon.
And thus brings us to theconclusion of another episode of

(01:29:27):
Diaries of a Lodge OwnerStories of the North.
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