November 21, 2025 • 35 mins
Episode Summary
In this engaging episode of Did She Really Say That?, host Katrina van Oudheusden chats with the dynamic Kathy Booker, a powerhouse woman making waves in empowerment and coaching. As the CEO of the Marvelous Light Empowerment Association and co-author of Kiss Destiny Fears Goodbye, Kathy shares her journey of becoming a certified gift coach and the transformative impact it had on her life and work. She discusses her unique approach to helping women discover their God-given gifts, and how her platform, Bestie Finder, supports this mission.
Key Discussion Points
Introduction of Kathy Booker: Overview of Kathy's role as CEO and her work with the Marvelous Light Empowerment Association.
The Importance of Gift Discovery: Kathy's journey to becoming a certified gift coach and the significance of discovering personal gifts.
Bestie Finder Platform: Explanation of how the platform helps women align with their authentic selves and builds community through gift assessment.
Discovering Gifts and Creating Community: Discussion on understanding people's gifts and building a cooperative and effective community or workplace.
Memorable Stories: Kathy shares a bold story about advising a client to "celebrate" a situation, highlighting her direct and honest approach as a perceiver.
Future of Bestie Finder: Upcoming additions to the platform including matchmaking events and expanded coaching areas.
Guest Bio
Kathy Booker is a certified gift coach, co-author, and CEO of the Marvelous Light Empowerment Association. She also established Women's University, aiming to empower women to launch successful businesses. Kathy specializes in helping women discover their unique gifts to improve their personal and professional lives.
Recommended Resources & Links
Marvelous Light Empowerment Association: Initiatives led by Kathy Booker.
Kathy's Book: Kiss Destiny Fears Goodbye
Bestie Finder Website: BestieFinder.net
Offers: Truth Bomb Audience Free Gifts Access: https://bestiefinder.net/scanme Future Bestie Membership: Free community access for potential members. https://bestiefinder.net/network/
Episode Conclusion
Listeners are encouraged to discover their unique gifts, engage with the Bestie Finder community, and embrace the power of collaboration and authentic communication in both personal and professional realms. Don’t forget to check out the resources Kathy shared and take advantage of the free offers available to deepen understanding and self-awareness.
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Episode Transcript
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(00:02):
Well, welcome to this episode ofDid She Really Say That?
And I promise you, ladies, when you're listening to this episode
with Kathy Brooker, you're goingto hear us say this.
A lot. Why?
Because she is a force of nature.
Oh my God, she is the CEO of Marvelous Light Empowerment
Association, otherwise abbreviated just to a simple
(00:24):
LEALMLEA. See, I'm even stumbling over it.
This is an amazing nonprofit organization really dedicated to
changing lives of families and individuals.
And how is she doing this? She's providing amazing tools,
resources that are necessary, not like optional, but truly
necessary to develop those physical, mental, spiritual and
(00:45):
financial thoughts. Do a like tons of services.
This woman has got services beyond services.
So if you're a lady and a femalehere in the Atlanta area, you
absolutely want to start connecting with Kathy like
today. OK, What I love about what Kathy
has also done is underneath thisumbrella, she's established in a
incredible university called Women's University.
(01:08):
I think This is why I fell in love with her in the moment
before I even met her. So this university is really
dedicated, this women's university is to, is to build
women, right? So we're talking about it is
empowering women to launch successful businesses that are
either in the and Metrolink areaor across the states, right?
We're really growing this, but it's providing opportunities,
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resources, thought leadership, you name it, networks, whatever
you need. As a female entrepreneur, she is
your tag to person. She's received multiple
accolades. I'm not going to dive into it
all because we know that could be a really long topic and
conversation, ladies, but you know, she's doing amazing work
through Woman University. She is the proud mother of two
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incredible children and has two precious grandsons.
So I am so happy to have you here with us today.
Thank you for joining us, Kathy.Thank you so much, Katrina, for
inviting me. I'm so excited.
Look, I am super duper glad thatI have this opportunity to hang
out with you on this episode. Well, we are going to have some
fun because I know that when we first chatted, there was
(02:13):
something that you kind of brought up and I know I, I kind
of briefly mentioned it though, you actually are certified as a
gift coach and you've co-authored a book called the
kiss Destiny, fear goodbye, fearis goodbye.
So when you were talking about this gift coaching, I was like
fascinated by what this actuallymeans and the shift that it
(02:33):
created for you. So tell me how you got into
being certified as a gift coach.I think every audience you get,
ladies, you really need to hear this.
Look, Katrina, it's so it's, it's just really odd, like how I
ran across it, across it, right?And so I was at a, a ministry
like revival of some sort, right?
And so this speaker there, she mentioned this book.
(02:57):
And so I was asking everybody, did y'all hear what she said?
I'm like, OK, she said, discoveryour gifts.
How do what, What did she say? What's the name of the book?
Where do I get it? Nobody in the room knew what I
was talking about. Not one person that's are y'all
kidding me? I'm not the only one who heard
her. So, you know, I'm like, OK, I
got to get to this lady before she leaves here.
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And so I ran to the front of thebuilding, you know, to catch up
before she left. She told me the name of the
book. I read it.
Discover your God giving gifts and the rest was history.
I reached out to the author. I'm like, OK, you guys got to
tell me that you are teaching people how to teach this, right?
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When I tell you that once I readthe book and reached out and
took the training that they gave, you know, to be certified,
my life changed forever, forever.
And even to this day, nobody still, it's not popular.
People still don't know what it,you know, what are your, what is
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a gift coach, right? Or a gift teacher?
Well, they will now after hearing this episode, if they
don't know what a gift coaches or certified gift teacher is, if
they're going to discover this, because this is really a
backbone of training for anybodythat you work with.
This is like a mandatory required essence of
understanding your God-given gifts and then how to bring that
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forward. So all right, so you're got,
you've got, you've gotten certified now what?
Like what does life look like now?
So you know what, the minute once that weekend was just so
eye opening. I was laughing, I was crying,
you know, and seeing me seeing people that I live and love and,
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you know, and work with and all these things.
And so, you know, at that point,when I came back home for the
weekend, I ended up telling my husband like we were just
talking. And then just out of out of all
of all of a sudden out of the conversation, just me listening.
It's like the awareness kicked in immediately, right?
And I was able to recognize whathis, at least what one of his
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gifts were. And I said, Oh my God, you are
compassion. And because that is the total
opposite of my gift, Katrina. The total opposite.
So you're not compassion a little, it's in there so.
It's the seven gifts, right? Right.
So I scored the lowest. OK, sorry, but sorry.
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You're being real. But that's the things like we
expect as women, I'm going to jump in here because we expect
as women that we should have compassion.
It should be like innate to us. It should be built into us.
And so I actually love your transparency and authenticity
around this because you're like,it's not my highest scoring
thing. It's not who and how I've been
designed. It's not the gifts that I've
been really highlighted with. So I listeners women, you know
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it's there's nothing wrong with you that's.
Right. Just learning how your gifts are
gifted to you and finding balance and learning to work
within those gifts, which is exactly what Kathy, you know
does and works with all women. So all right, so now you found
your husband's at like top compassion.
Now what? Top compassion.
I'm like, Oh my God, that's why we argue 24/7, like 24/7
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clashing, right? And not me understanding it.
So now I took upon myself. I knew I had the responsibility
now to say, OK, I know better, right?
I know that my gifts are strong.I'm very outspoken.
I'm very people oriented. I'm very, you know, a planner
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like get things done, no excuses.
Don't come to me with that if you're not ready.
You know, look, I can tell you the things that you need to go
do to get ready now going off and come on back when you're
ready so I can help you, you know, and those types of things.
And so I learned how to manage my gifts.
Right. And so and being not being
scoring, not being, not scoring high and compassion, I guess I
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said it doesn't excuse me not tolet it show up sometimes when I
need to, right. And but when you're working in
a, in a work, in your working environment, I always knew who
those people were, right? So I knew how to brace myself,
how to get myself prepared for whatever they get ready to come
and say to me or whatever they need from me.
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Or guess what, if I'm in a leadership position on that
particular project, I would, I have a person that works closely
with me with that gift, that canhandle that person what they
need and how they need to just bring me back what they need.
We can take care of them and youcan deliver it the way that it
needs to be delivered. Yeah, I love that.
It's a partnership that you start to create because you
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understand that there is different gifts that we each
have. And so when you start working
with people of different gifts that can enable help extend the
communication and speak to one another.
I mean, as a leader, that's gold.
Absolutely. That's how now most of the
people that know me and know that this is what I do, they
like they will not hire another soul until they have them to
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take the gift assessment, right?Because I help them to
understand. So as a leader, we help them to
understand. You know, as a supervisor,
whatever, whatever you are, whatever you do, you know, of
course, when you're working withpeople, you're going to need
grace. And so now it won't have to be
so much clashing and so much of you having to apologize or them
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feeling like you need to apologize.
And we're feeling like apologizefor what you know, And but we
can make this thing become that well or machine that we need for
it to be everybody working in a place in the area that they
love. And you know, everybody could
get tired together. We can go eat afterwards and
start again the next day, whatever, you know what I mean?
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So, yeah, so I do have a question on this assessment
because I know that like the women on here, and I've talked
with a couple of other women here that are on this podcast,
you know, everyone has like an assessment of personality.
Like some of them, I feel like they just kind of like, here's
who you are and good luck, you know, figuring out how to to put
this all together. So like you created Bestie
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Finder, which I think is phenomenal.
So in the world of OK, now we know what the gifts are, now
we're doing this and you're starting to like weave this into
a business now, right? So you created Bestie Finder.
Explain how that works. Right.
So Bestie Finder is based on discovering who you are based on
(09:33):
the gifts period. So because I use that as
discovering your gifts as the the entry into whatever program
I have, I do not care. We talked about money.
I need to know your gifts. We're talking about building
your business. I need to know your gifts, you
know, agree. And so that way I can tell which
way how to manage you or, or howto coach you, how to mentor you,
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whatever the case may be, right.And so with Bestie Finder, I'm
like, you know what, this is themain thing that people really
love. And you know, when they first
get started because it helps them to discover who they are
authentically. Like what what's their DNA is
part of their DNA, what makes them rock, what makes them roll?
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You know what I'm saying? What makes them lazy?
What all of that, all of it fromthe, you know, from from zero to
100, it helps you to figure out just who you and then it helps
you to continue to be more of that.
And so now when you figure out who you are, now we have a place
where you can come and let's talk about it.
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Let's help you maneuver. Let's help you manage.
Let's let's help you learn, right.
And so inside, that's how I toldmy one, one of my business
partners, I was like, girl, look, we have woman university.
We have all these other things that we're doing out here.
And I don't like going from 1, you know, go over here to for
that and go over here for this. I want everything in one place.
And so with so we came up with Bestie Finder.
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I love it. And so with bestie Finder, you
come, you can figure out you first.
At first it just started off just about the gifts and that is
just evolved into so much more like you can come now you can.
It's our own little proprietary,proprietary, you know, platform
and you get to come and hang out.
You can chat about your gift if you find out that you're
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compassionate. And the majority of the people
that take the assessment are compassionate, right?
So we have more compassionate people in the world than we do
anything else. You're just balancing yourself
out over there. I see how the universe is
working with you on. This OK, and so, but now when
you have somebody like me that'sa perceiver or administrator on
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exhorter, you can come and hang out in that particular group in
a chat that we have for each particular group.
So you can figure out like in my#1 is exhorter.
So I can go and have exhorted chats with people.
Y'all want to do coffee, you know, or whatever.
We can just do something so you can come and find people that
are just like you or where you can find people that are total
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opposite. So how do I deal with this
particular situation? And they can come in, we have
conversations about, you know, we had this scenario.
How did you handle it? How did you handle this
compassion person? And so because it's still once
you discover your gifts, you still got to have take some time
to get to. Yeah, you can know now that you
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know, I need for you to understand.
Yeah. And now again, like you said,
just weave it into your everyday.
You're that person anyway. But now it helps you to
understand those people that areopposite of you.
Well, I think it's an awareness piece, right?
And I think as we grow and as wewe develop our skills and as in
humanity in general right now, Ithink that there is this opening
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of awareness. So the first thing is
self-awareness of self, right, of who you are in relationship
to we right. So when you start with yourself,
it's not you're not just developing you just to be a, you
know, more ego more, you know, this is more yeah, I'm kind of a
thing, right? I think when you take that out
of it, you're like, I'm learningmyself so I can better
communicate with the world around me.
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I understand who I am, but I might bump up against this
person and this person. So how do I learn to
communicate? How do I learn to or find
workarounds like a partner that can help me communicate?
Like those are like the the elements that what I really love
what you're talking about, because it doesn't what it
forces you ladies to do that arelistening is to build community,
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to have teams recognize that solo entrepreneurship is not
meant for us. Because I'm sure, you know, we
could even talk about that and see like, Hey, Kathy, do you
build your business by yourself?Absolutely not.
Why not? Look, I can't do everything,
even though I may feel like, youknow, most people may feel like
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I'm gifted in the skill to do itall, you know, but you can't.
You need to help. This is one of the things I love
to tell people Katrina, like when when you're building a
business and or in your businessand now you realize that you
need help. And so you go out there and get
somebody that's well versed or very skilled in the area that
you consider kind of like your weakness, but the thing that you
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don't want out to do it, but I don't want to do it.
So you allow somebody else to come in that is skilled and
gifted at that in that area. And then don't you get upset
because now they showing up and showing out, you know what I'm
saying? Like, oh, they're trying to
steal my business or they want to take my idea and run off to
Cuba. You know what I'm saying?
No, they're not. All think that women at one
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point, they're going to take my idea and then it's no longer
mine and someone else. If you get the right people in,
I swear to you that is not even a thought process.
It is not, it is not so that is why it is so important for
people to understand the other gifts, right.
And so, and when you know that you can bring somebody in like
we had to bring a compassionate person on our team because me
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and my business partner, we speak, you know, straight up
like no black or white, no in between, no maybes, no grades.
Like I have a training class that I do some girl, you know,
they were trying to give me no excuses.
So one was giving me an excuse and then here comes another one
trying to take up for her. I said, sweetie, we don't do
maybes over here. No ma'am, no ma'am, we do no
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maybes. So there are other ways to get
around that and other things in place for you to take care of
your business. And then so now you, you
learning who you are and not understanding your team, it's
just still going to cause friction.
Oh, totally. You know, and then, but now you
need to help your team to understand what your gifts are.
And then that way, like again what you said, you create
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community, you create great communication, you create great
unity, all of that all, all inside of that community.
Because it's really interesting,like if you've ever ladies have
gone through like a business planning coaching session or
done any types of business planning, what it's what's
interesting and what I had a lotof my mentors go through, it's
like if you're starting to hire or bring together like your
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cofounding team or whatever you're building, 1 of the things
they had us do was go through your strengths and weaknesses.
Literally list out your strengths and weaknesses as an
individual. A lot of us have a hard time
with that. So I think when you're using
Bestie Finder or even the gifts,right, like you start to
understand who you are. You have your team members or
potential business partners or potential team members take this
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and you start to understand who you're bringing on to your team.
Not necessarily, just I think The Who is way more important
than what the job description is.
Absolutely. Because if you can align The Who
with that job right then, then you're not going to have as much
conflict. You're going to be able to
communicate better. You understand your guys's
strength, the weakest. And I think the clarity around
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this bestie Finder is really what sets you apart in this
conversation and really what sets leadership apart,
especially amongst women. That's it.
And you know what? I love what you just said.
You're absolutely correct. And so, and then guess what?
People see that chemistry. So that chemistry, like one of
the young ladies that came on board with us, she just saw me
and my business partner, we werejust talking and we were
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planning and we can get on a, wecan have a conversation in 15
minutes, have a plan of everything that needs to happen.
You know, I girl, I got this idea.
This is the vision. And she's like, yeah, we need to
do this, this, this, this, this,you know, and so she has that
teacher gift. So she's about steps, you know,
everything being in order, rules, policies, you know, all
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these good things. And so just telling us what we
need to do to make that thing happen, right?
And she was like, what just happened right here?
She said, whatever it is, I wantto be a part of it, right?
And and so people can see it, they can feel it.
And again, just like he was justsaying that it it just happened.
It just causes you to just come to so smoothly, right?
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And I think that's one of the big things I know a lot of women
and a lot of businesses in general, they struggle with
culture. They, they struggle with
culture. And I think when you can
understand the different gifts, I think instead of doing a
personality assessment, well, you're, you're so individualized
and you're trying to then slot people.
And I think when you do a gift assessment and you use a tool
like the Bestie Finder, what you're actually creating is a
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way to really make sure that that employee, that that team
member is a good fit, that they're going to enjoy this.
Because one of the biggest things I hear all the time is,
you know, I want a place that I feel like I'm involved in.
I want a company that I can support, that I can get behind.
And I think when you're using a tool like GIF finders, you
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naturally build that in. So it's not something that
somebody has to now come and fix.
It's that awareness in the very beginning.
So Kathy, I applaud you for whatyou're building.
It's just absolutely tremendous.Thank you, think it is a lot of
fun too. It really is just to get to know
people and then when other people learn the gifts and I, I
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love watching them sitting and talking about, oh, that person,
you know, she's a, she's, she's a server, you know, she's a
teacher. So it's, it's only 7 guys.
It's only 7 so. You know.
Talk about the right easy peasy and it's all about you.
It's not about what people thinkyou ought to be or what you
think you ought to be according to these, you know, other
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personality gifts. These are things that is based
on your character characteristics, the way that
you were born, the way that you move, that you think you
operate. You know, like when are you
talking about some move fast andsome move slow?
I didn't realize that that was part of our gift things.
So I have people who are super slow, you know, and I was like,
Oh my God, you're just lazy. No, they're slow and right.
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And they're not in a hurry like I am at that particular moment.
So if you want something from a compassion person, if you need
it in a week, you better give them two.
You know what I'm saying? And so, and you just learn how
to walk, walk around and operatein the, in the field and, and
you know of, of gifts and they all are so beautiful, right?
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There's also beautiful when whenyou see people operating in
them, they are just as beautifuland happy, joyful doing what
they do. And so it just makes life easy
for everybody on both sides because guess what?
The real you, regardless of whatever you do, I don't care
what kind of personality they told you that you have according
to you, or color. If you're red or blue or you're
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a dog or a cat, you know, you know they do the animals too,
right? They do everything.
There's a disc, there's a strength finders, there's a
personal 16 personalities, there's all sorts.
Oh my gosh, sometimes it feels like you're in the weeds because
they there's like nuances and layers when you can say 7.
Right, exactly. So you got the seven regard.
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Wherever you go, you're going toshow it the real you eventually.
I don't care how long you've been hiding, being an imposter
behind that thing that you've been doing.
You've been doing pretty good atit, but you hated it is
eventually going to show up. You know, if it shows up in your
home, you know, in your friendships, you know, and then
it's eventually going to show upin your in your work.
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All right, Kathy, so I got a bold question to ask you.
OK, so this this podcast is called did she really say that?
I mean, we're about bold statements being a little
authentic. Mind you, we are not, you know,
we do have profanity where we're, you know, we're we're
locked down to a certain age group because of the topics of
conversations that we tend to sometimes have in here.
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So the question is that I'm basically giving you free reign
to say whatever pops out of yourmouth asking, OK, OK, so if
there's a swear word or something, feel free to say it.
OK, so you are a powerhouse woman.
Have you ever came across a situation where you were talking
to a client or a business or putting something together and
they all stopped to look at you and said, did she really say
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that? You know what, that is a great
question. And it's absolutely funny
because I do ministry a lot, right?
I minister to women and, you know, good stuff.
And so with me having the gift of perceiver, perceivers are the
ones that say what that, you know, what comes up comes out or
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because of our great discernment, right?
And then sometimes we can see things and hear them, you know,
and hear things that they don't necessarily know that we heard
that and they don't necessarily know that they said, right?
And so yes, I have. And so this might seem it's it's
it's this is the first thing popped in my head.
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So I was talking to this young lady and she was having marital
problems and she had and I already knew the background of
the marriage and the husband andthe things.
And so she called me one night and she was just so upset.
And she said he left me. I said, Oh my God, girl,
celebrate. That's like that's.
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Not what she wanted to hear, probably.
She started, but she didn't tellme that I said girl, because I
started just Oh my God, that's so great, girl, celebrate, OK,
celebrate because it's been so much.
I was holding in that I you know, that I knew and you know,
for your life and blah, blah, blah.
I said girl, just celebrate, it's OK.
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And so the years it took her years later to tell me she could
not believe I said that. I said celebrate.
And I said it in a way that it was so she said it was just so
it just stabbed her like, like, stop crying, you know, and
celebrate. You've been in misery all these
years, all these years. And so if he's, if he left, and
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of course, I'm all for marriage,you know, and not looking for
anybody's marriage to break up and and all of that.
But if that's the thing that happened in that particular
moment, you're going to have to learn again.
We have to pivot how to turn on a dime.
You know what I'm saying? And you just have to.
It is what it is. That is the problem.
Now, what's the solution? Yeah.
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So the first thing I told her todo.
Part of that solution was to celebrate and.
You know, sometimes that's not the answer we want to hear,
right? There's a lot of emotions that
go through on that type and and all the doubts we experience as
women, everything we're going through.
I think as women, sometimes we hold on a little longer than
we're supposed to. I think it's it's just the
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expectation that we're supposed to stay married.
Exactly. A lot of things culturally, I
think that we get stuck on. Also, right?
Or that they just facing other things.
They just don't want to be alone, you know, to live
miserably, you know. But she told me years later, I
can't believe you said that. That's exactly what she said to
me. That's why I left.
That's the first thing that cameto my mind.
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And so when I'm coaching women and when people come to me and
say I want you to be my mentor, I said, you sure about that?
I said, you know, I need for youto talk to a couple of people
because the person that you meetfor sure is my 100% gifting of
exhorter. I love people, I love people and
I want to see people do well. I tell you your, you know,
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what's good or bad or indifferent about your ideas.
And, you know, in our first conversations, if you start
telling me about it or I start planning with you, you know, I'm
like, no, no, no, you need to dothis.
Let's, let's work this out. You got 3 here, write this down,
blah, blah, blah. You know, and, but, and then
when you get into that process and you find out that your, your
capacity to handle what it is that you feel like that you want
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to come in business with are thething that you want to do.
And if I'm going to tell you that you are being, you know,
slothful, you know I'm going to be honest with you.
So and that's the thing a lot ofpeople can't handle from a
perceiver person, that perceiveris going to give you honesty
hands down. So if you don't want.
To know the truth. Right.
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If you don't want to, don't. If you don't want to know the
truth, don't. Ask a person with the perceiver
gift because that's all they're going to give you.
All right, so we're wrapping up here because we could continue
talking for ours, Kathy, you andI, and to both know we've had
our meet and greet. We could sit here and just roll
with this whole episode. So couple of things.
First, what's next for Bestie Finder?
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So we are actually rolling out. We've actually added another
associate coach to our team. And so again, so bestie Finder
now we, we just really, we're, we're three years old and we are
actually, but we've been doing business much longer.
But Bestie Finder is 3 years oldand we're and we find ourselves
(26:43):
just diving into, you know, all the things Bestie Finder.
So working on our matchmaking events and you know, matchmaking
your besties, you can find your bestie in life best, you know,
friendships, business partners, you know, jobs, people want to
work, they want a career, they don't want to run a business.
That's OK too, you know. And so, but we are, we've added
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the components of faith and finance, you know, health and
Wellness, you know what I'm saying?
Or just our Wellness coaching. So we just really just rolling
out all the different componentsof all the coaches.
So you got all these different coaches that's there.
And then our business coach, right?
So we have Wellness ministry, you got Wellness, spiritual
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business, even just a personal, if you just just you personally
want to get your act together, right.
So we're just really amping up and ramping, getting everybody
all involved and taking their gift assessment so we can help
direct them in the the way that they want to go.
Yeah, so there's basically there's something for you no
matter where you're at in your life, whether you're looking for
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personal relationship, spirituality, career, becoming a
business owner, there is the thegifts that you have and
understanding. I think that at your core self
really is the, the, the next step moving forward for any of
us, right? But you've really got to know
who you are and then be able to communicate that and understand
the different personalities, thedifferent gifts that are out
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there and how to connect with them, how to speak to them.
I mean, if you're a coach and you want to bring in more
clients, you've got to learn howyou're speaking to these these
gifts, right? Otherwise you're never going to
have a client or they're all going to be exactly like you,
which is a good thing. But I've had that experience and
then it becomes a little much like you want the diversity of
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being able to talk and improve your communications.
Yeah, oh, that's so good, yes, so just coming in that space of
yeah, just it was I had a thought that slipped my mind,
but on that, but yes, because mybrain just be rolling.
Oh, yeah, all the time. All right, so how can our
audience of women, and I know we've got a few men listening in
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on here, You guys can't help yourselves.
And I love you for that because you were like, I want to know
what women are thinking. Yes.
Go cap. So what it was, that's why I was
just going to say it is. That's why it's so important for
everybody to definitely discovertheir gifts because again, when
you get coaching for any place else, you said it earlier, I
don't know, it's before we got on or when we first started.
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Like when you going there tell you, go figure out, go, you
know, here you go take this, thegift assessment or there's a
personality test or whatever. But they don't tell you how to
dig in and how to do this thing,how to live that person, that
life that you just discovered, right?
And so they tell you that you need to go to discover yourself,
but nobody really offers how to do that.
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Yeah, and you've broken that down within groups.
You've said, hey, meet other people just like you have
communication, start talking to other people that are opposite
of you. Learn how to like, you're giving
them as an opportunity to kind of like test and fail with other
peoples that get what we're wanting to accomplish.
And I think that's the beauty ofwhat you're creating.
All right. So for our audience that's
listening, Kathy, you have a couple of things that you said
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you were gonna give away or gifts that you were going to
extend. So there is the first one, which
is the there's a course you have, it's called Bestie
Finders. Yeah, that's the Discover U
course. OK.
So the Discover U course share alittle bit about that.
So that is really all about justto discover you.
So you take the gift assessment and then we have some, just some
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some, you know, videos that you can listen to about each group.
So all about the characteristics, breaking those
down and then it talks about thechallenge, the areas that that
are challenging in those gifts so that those are the things
that make you clash with everybody, right with anybody
or, you know, don't stand up or speak up for yourself.
So yes, so that's what that is. So it's it's easy piece, it's
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self-paced. You can just go to
bestiefinder.net slash. Gift Gifts course is what you
have here, and this will all be in the show notes, ladies.
So like everybody that's listening, if you have
questions, no matter where you're at, you're watching us on
YouTube, you're watching us on your favorite podcast platform.
Down the show notes are all the clickable links.
Grab it, follow Kathy, take her up on the gifts that she has,
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and then also you have the a bestie membership.
So future bestie membership, what is?
So that's a future Bestie. So if they go in and just click
that they want to join the community, they can Scroll down.
You see future Bestie is free that they can just come in and
and just kind of look around, you know, so because in there
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you going to find out different groups of of courses work, you
know, other types of groups going on, but they are private.
So again, you have your private and you have your public groups
in there and but you still get achance to, you know, hang out
and see all the different events.
You still get to chat in your group and just different things.
But I do have one more that I wanted to share with you guys.
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So yeah, Bestie. So you go to bestiefinder.net,
scroll and find future Bestie sign up and you're in.
But this is an opportunity for them to take a little snippet,
like a little mini gift assessment for free.
I have my yes, I did it for you.I said let me do this for
Katrina. I want to do this on her on her
show. So it's Bestie finder.net/scan
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me SCANM. All right, so scan me.
Hold on. I got to put that down just so I
make sure all my team has all this in there.
OK, OK, so yeah, so I just got that today hot off the press and
it's a free glimpse. So you get to take a little mini
a mini gift assessment just to give you a little snippet of the
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of your gifts. And so, you know, we were want
you to, you know, just lead you into taking the full assessment,
taking a gift course. Yeah.
And I think that's beautiful because I think we're always a
little timid about taking another personality assessment.
I think I've taken every single one of them out there at some
point over the last 15 years, 20years or whatever, how many
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years I've been doing this. So I'm, I'm really excited.
I'm going to be taking you up onthis.
Like I'm going to be like, oh, Igot to do Kathy's best test
because it, it's, I'm curious, right?
With everything that's out there, I feel like it needs to
evolve. To be honest, listeners and
ladies, some of these assessmenttests are decades.
Old, yes. Written by men.
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I love you guys, but I feel likeyou're trying to
compartmentalize us in ways thatwe as women, we kind of grow and
evolve in a lot of ways. Exactly.
And I think we really are. Yeah.
And who we really are, we evolve, we grow.
And I think once you become a certain wear of awareness, you
look to improve yourself. You're not staying in that
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state. Like you're going to go to work
on where maybe you're not compassionate just to have an
element be able to communicate like so.
So you're an ever evolving humanbeing.
And sometimes I feel like some of these assessments that yes,
our centuries feel like they're old.
I think the evolution of them, like with the gifts, I think
with things that are other toolsthat are out there that I really
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enjoyed. Like I'm going to mention
another one out here. Bank is another one that I
really love for learning how to do sales, right.
I think when you can simplify itand really make it more about
community communication and getting to know people around
you and less just about yourself, but really
understanding how the world and people work around you.
I think that's where you really Catholic stand out and why I
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loved having you on this episodeof Did she really say that?
So I really appreciate all your gifts that you're bringing into
the world. I know that we will probably be
meeting up in person sooner rather than later.
So I'm excited to really ladies that are listening, gentlemen
that are listening, take her up on her gifts that she's
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presented to with you today. Learn more about yourself.
Learn how to continue developingyourself as a leader, a
communicator, somebody that is not just the me in the
conversation, but me as we relate to we in this
conversation. Because that is the strength.
That is why Kathy's building communities.
That's why she's doing workshops.
That's why she's built out the Women University.
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That's why she's built out Bestie Finder.
It's really about creating connections and collaborations
and community. So don't feel like you have to
do it on your own. Start plugging in.
So with that, Kathy, any last final words?
No, we just. I look forward to seeing all my
new besties inside. I love it.
All right, ladies, thank you everyone that's listening to
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this episode of Did She Really Say That?
Because she really did. And through here we know that
time management, productivity, running a business, living life,
all have elements that are important to us.
So we want you tapping into every episode, listening to
every guest and leaving commentsand letting them know what
you're finding valuable, how it's helping you in your life,
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Because that's what did She Really say that is all about.
So all my listeners will see youon the next episode.
Well, welcome to this episode ofDid She Really Say That?
And I promise you, ladies, when you're listening to this episode
with Kathy Brooker, you're goingto hear us say this.
A lot. Why?
Because she is a force of nature.
Oh my God, she is the CEO of Marvelous Light Empowerment
Association, otherwise abbreviated just to a simple
(00:24):
LEALMLEA. See, I'm even stumbling over it.
This is an amazing nonprofit organization really dedicated to
changing lives of families and individuals.
And how is she doing this? She's providing amazing tools,
resources that are necessary, not like optional, but truly
necessary to develop those physical, mental, spiritual and
(00:45):
financial thoughts. Do a like tons of services.
This woman has got services beyond services.
So if you're a lady and a femalehere in the Atlanta area, you
absolutely want to start connecting with Kathy like
today. OK, What I love about what Kathy
has also done is underneath thisumbrella, she's established in a
incredible university called Women's University.
(01:08):
I think This is why I fell in love with her in the moment
before I even met her. So this university is really
dedicated, this women's university is to, is to build
women, right? So we're talking about it is
empowering women to launch successful businesses that are
either in the and Metrolink areaor across the states, right?
We're really growing this, but it's providing opportunities,
(01:30):
resources, thought leadership, you name it, networks, whatever
you need. As a female entrepreneur, she is
your tag to person. She's received multiple
accolades. I'm not going to dive into it
all because we know that could be a really long topic and
conversation, ladies, but you know, she's doing amazing work
through Woman University. She is the proud mother of two
(01:51):
incredible children and has two precious grandsons.
So I am so happy to have you here with us today.
Thank you for joining us, Kathy.Thank you so much, Katrina, for
inviting me. I'm so excited.
Look, I am super duper glad thatI have this opportunity to hang
out with you on this episode. Well, we are going to have some
fun because I know that when we first chatted, there was
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something that you kind of brought up and I know I, I kind
of briefly mentioned it though, you actually are certified as a
gift coach and you've co-authored a book called the
kiss Destiny, fear goodbye, fearis goodbye.
So when you were talking about this gift coaching, I was like
fascinated by what this actuallymeans and the shift that it
(02:33):
created for you. So tell me how you got into
being certified as a gift coach.I think every audience you get,
ladies, you really need to hear this.
Look, Katrina, it's so it's, it's just really odd, like how I
ran across it, across it, right?And so I was at a, a ministry
like revival of some sort, right?
And so this speaker there, she mentioned this book.
(02:57):
And so I was asking everybody, did y'all hear what she said?
I'm like, OK, she said, discoveryour gifts.
How do what, What did she say? What's the name of the book?
Where do I get it? Nobody in the room knew what I
was talking about. Not one person that's are y'all
kidding me? I'm not the only one who heard
her. So, you know, I'm like, OK, I
got to get to this lady before she leaves here.
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And so I ran to the front of thebuilding, you know, to catch up
before she left. She told me the name of the
book. I read it.
Discover your God giving gifts and the rest was history.
I reached out to the author. I'm like, OK, you guys got to
tell me that you are teaching people how to teach this, right?
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When I tell you that once I readthe book and reached out and
took the training that they gave, you know, to be certified,
my life changed forever, forever.
And even to this day, nobody still, it's not popular.
People still don't know what it,you know, what are your, what is
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a gift coach, right? Or a gift teacher?
Well, they will now after hearing this episode, if they
don't know what a gift coaches or certified gift teacher is, if
they're going to discover this, because this is really a
backbone of training for anybodythat you work with.
This is like a mandatory required essence of
understanding your God-given gifts and then how to bring that
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forward. So all right, so you're got,
you've got, you've gotten certified now what?
Like what does life look like now?
So you know what, the minute once that weekend was just so
eye opening. I was laughing, I was crying,
you know, and seeing me seeing people that I live and love and,
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you know, and work with and all these things.
And so, you know, at that point,when I came back home for the
weekend, I ended up telling my husband like we were just
talking. And then just out of out of all
of all of a sudden out of the conversation, just me listening.
It's like the awareness kicked in immediately, right?
And I was able to recognize whathis, at least what one of his
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gifts were. And I said, Oh my God, you are
compassion. And because that is the total
opposite of my gift, Katrina. The total opposite.
So you're not compassion a little, it's in there so.
It's the seven gifts, right? Right.
So I scored the lowest. OK, sorry, but sorry.
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You're being real. But that's the things like we
expect as women, I'm going to jump in here because we expect
as women that we should have compassion.
It should be like innate to us. It should be built into us.
And so I actually love your transparency and authenticity
around this because you're like,it's not my highest scoring
thing. It's not who and how I've been
designed. It's not the gifts that I've
been really highlighted with. So I listeners women, you know
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it's there's nothing wrong with you that's.
Right. Just learning how your gifts are
gifted to you and finding balance and learning to work
within those gifts, which is exactly what Kathy, you know
does and works with all women. So all right, so now you found
your husband's at like top compassion.
Now what? Top compassion.
I'm like, Oh my God, that's why we argue 24/7, like 24/7
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clashing, right? And not me understanding it.
So now I took upon myself. I knew I had the responsibility
now to say, OK, I know better, right?
I know that my gifts are strong.I'm very outspoken.
I'm very people oriented. I'm very, you know, a planner
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like get things done, no excuses.
Don't come to me with that if you're not ready.
You know, look, I can tell you the things that you need to go
do to get ready now going off and come on back when you're
ready so I can help you, you know, and those types of things.
And so I learned how to manage my gifts.
Right. And so and being not being
scoring, not being, not scoring high and compassion, I guess I
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said it doesn't excuse me not tolet it show up sometimes when I
need to, right. And but when you're working in
a, in a work, in your working environment, I always knew who
those people were, right? So I knew how to brace myself,
how to get myself prepared for whatever they get ready to come
and say to me or whatever they need from me.
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Or guess what, if I'm in a leadership position on that
particular project, I would, I have a person that works closely
with me with that gift, that canhandle that person what they
need and how they need to just bring me back what they need.
We can take care of them and youcan deliver it the way that it
needs to be delivered. Yeah, I love that.
It's a partnership that you start to create because you
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understand that there is different gifts that we each
have. And so when you start working
with people of different gifts that can enable help extend the
communication and speak to one another.
I mean, as a leader, that's gold.
Absolutely. That's how now most of the
people that know me and know that this is what I do, they
like they will not hire another soul until they have them to
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take the gift assessment, right?Because I help them to
understand. So as a leader, we help them to
understand. You know, as a supervisor,
whatever, whatever you are, whatever you do, you know, of
course, when you're working withpeople, you're going to need
grace. And so now it won't have to be
so much clashing and so much of you having to apologize or them
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feeling like you need to apologize.
And we're feeling like apologizefor what you know, And but we
can make this thing become that well or machine that we need for
it to be everybody working in a place in the area that they
love. And you know, everybody could
get tired together. We can go eat afterwards and
start again the next day, whatever, you know what I mean?
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So, yeah, so I do have a question on this assessment
because I know that like the women on here, and I've talked
with a couple of other women here that are on this podcast,
you know, everyone has like an assessment of personality.
Like some of them, I feel like they just kind of like, here's
who you are and good luck, you know, figuring out how to to put
this all together. So like you created Bestie
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Finder, which I think is phenomenal.
So in the world of OK, now we know what the gifts are, now
we're doing this and you're starting to like weave this into
a business now, right? So you created Bestie Finder.
Explain how that works. Right.
So Bestie Finder is based on discovering who you are based on
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the gifts period. So because I use that as
discovering your gifts as the the entry into whatever program
I have, I do not care. We talked about money.
I need to know your gifts. We're talking about building
your business. I need to know your gifts, you
know, agree. And so that way I can tell which
way how to manage you or, or howto coach you, how to mentor you,
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whatever the case may be, right.And so with Bestie Finder, I'm
like, you know what, this is themain thing that people really
love. And you know, when they first
get started because it helps them to discover who they are
authentically. Like what what's their DNA is
part of their DNA, what makes them rock, what makes them roll?
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You know what I'm saying? What makes them lazy?
What all of that, all of it fromthe, you know, from from zero to
100, it helps you to figure out just who you and then it helps
you to continue to be more of that.
And so now when you figure out who you are, now we have a place
where you can come and let's talk about it.
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Let's help you maneuver. Let's help you manage.
Let's let's help you learn, right.
And so inside, that's how I toldmy one, one of my business
partners, I was like, girl, look, we have woman university.
We have all these other things that we're doing out here.
And I don't like going from 1, you know, go over here to for
that and go over here for this. I want everything in one place.
And so with so we came up with Bestie Finder.
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I love it. And so with bestie Finder, you
come, you can figure out you first.
At first it just started off just about the gifts and that is
just evolved into so much more like you can come now you can.
It's our own little proprietary,proprietary, you know, platform
and you get to come and hang out.
You can chat about your gift if you find out that you're
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compassionate. And the majority of the people
that take the assessment are compassionate, right?
So we have more compassionate people in the world than we do
anything else. You're just balancing yourself
out over there. I see how the universe is
working with you on. This OK, and so, but now when
you have somebody like me that'sa perceiver or administrator on
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exhorter, you can come and hang out in that particular group in
a chat that we have for each particular group.
So you can figure out like in my#1 is exhorter.
So I can go and have exhorted chats with people.
Y'all want to do coffee, you know, or whatever.
We can just do something so you can come and find people that
are just like you or where you can find people that are total
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opposite. So how do I deal with this
particular situation? And they can come in, we have
conversations about, you know, we had this scenario.
How did you handle it? How did you handle this
compassion person? And so because it's still once
you discover your gifts, you still got to have take some time
to get to. Yeah, you can know now that you
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know, I need for you to understand.
Yeah. And now again, like you said,
just weave it into your everyday.
You're that person anyway. But now it helps you to
understand those people that areopposite of you.
Well, I think it's an awareness piece, right?
And I think as we grow and as wewe develop our skills and as in
humanity in general right now, Ithink that there is this opening
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of awareness. So the first thing is
self-awareness of self, right, of who you are in relationship
to we right. So when you start with yourself,
it's not you're not just developing you just to be a, you
know, more ego more, you know, this is more yeah, I'm kind of a
thing, right? I think when you take that out
of it, you're like, I'm learningmyself so I can better
communicate with the world around me.
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I understand who I am, but I might bump up against this
person and this person. So how do I learn to
communicate? How do I learn to or find
workarounds like a partner that can help me communicate?
Like those are like the the elements that what I really love
what you're talking about, because it doesn't what it
forces you ladies to do that arelistening is to build community,
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to have teams recognize that solo entrepreneurship is not
meant for us. Because I'm sure, you know, we
could even talk about that and see like, Hey, Kathy, do you
build your business by yourself?Absolutely not.
Why not? Look, I can't do everything,
even though I may feel like, youknow, most people may feel like
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I'm gifted in the skill to do itall, you know, but you can't.
You need to help. This is one of the things I love
to tell people Katrina, like when when you're building a
business and or in your businessand now you realize that you
need help. And so you go out there and get
somebody that's well versed or very skilled in the area that
you consider kind of like your weakness, but the thing that you
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don't want out to do it, but I don't want to do it.
So you allow somebody else to come in that is skilled and
gifted at that in that area. And then don't you get upset
because now they showing up and showing out, you know what I'm
saying? Like, oh, they're trying to
steal my business or they want to take my idea and run off to
Cuba. You know what I'm saying?
No, they're not. All think that women at one
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point, they're going to take my idea and then it's no longer
mine and someone else. If you get the right people in,
I swear to you that is not even a thought process.
It is not, it is not so that is why it is so important for
people to understand the other gifts, right.
And so, and when you know that you can bring somebody in like
we had to bring a compassionate person on our team because me
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and my business partner, we speak, you know, straight up
like no black or white, no in between, no maybes, no grades.
Like I have a training class that I do some girl, you know,
they were trying to give me no excuses.
So one was giving me an excuse and then here comes another one
trying to take up for her. I said, sweetie, we don't do
maybes over here. No ma'am, no ma'am, we do no
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maybes. So there are other ways to get
around that and other things in place for you to take care of
your business. And then so now you, you
learning who you are and not understanding your team, it's
just still going to cause friction.
Oh, totally. You know, and then, but now you
need to help your team to understand what your gifts are.
And then that way, like again what you said, you create
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community, you create great communication, you create great
unity, all of that all, all inside of that community.
Because it's really interesting,like if you've ever ladies have
gone through like a business planning coaching session or
done any types of business planning, what it's what's
interesting and what I had a lotof my mentors go through, it's
like if you're starting to hire or bring together like your
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cofounding team or whatever you're building, 1 of the things
they had us do was go through your strengths and weaknesses.
Literally list out your strengths and weaknesses as an
individual. A lot of us have a hard time
with that. So I think when you're using
Bestie Finder or even the gifts,right, like you start to
understand who you are. You have your team members or
potential business partners or potential team members take this
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and you start to understand who you're bringing on to your team.
Not necessarily, just I think The Who is way more important
than what the job description is.
Absolutely. Because if you can align The Who
with that job right then, then you're not going to have as much
conflict. You're going to be able to
communicate better. You understand your guys's
strength, the weakest. And I think the clarity around
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this bestie Finder is really what sets you apart in this
conversation and really what sets leadership apart,
especially amongst women. That's it.
And you know what? I love what you just said.
You're absolutely correct. And so, and then guess what?
People see that chemistry. So that chemistry, like one of
the young ladies that came on board with us, she just saw me
and my business partner, we werejust talking and we were
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planning and we can get on a, wecan have a conversation in 15
minutes, have a plan of everything that needs to happen.
You know, I girl, I got this idea.
This is the vision. And she's like, yeah, we need to
do this, this, this, this, this,you know, and so she has that
teacher gift. So she's about steps, you know,
everything being in order, rules, policies, you know, all
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these good things. And so just telling us what we
need to do to make that thing happen, right?
And she was like, what just happened right here?
She said, whatever it is, I wantto be a part of it, right?
And and so people can see it, they can feel it.
And again, just like he was justsaying that it it just happened.
It just causes you to just come to so smoothly, right?
(17:59):
And I think that's one of the big things I know a lot of women
and a lot of businesses in general, they struggle with
culture. They, they struggle with
culture. And I think when you can
understand the different gifts, I think instead of doing a
personality assessment, well, you're, you're so individualized
and you're trying to then slot people.
And I think when you do a gift assessment and you use a tool
like the Bestie Finder, what you're actually creating is a
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way to really make sure that that employee, that that team
member is a good fit, that they're going to enjoy this.
Because one of the biggest things I hear all the time is,
you know, I want a place that I feel like I'm involved in.
I want a company that I can support, that I can get behind.
And I think when you're using a tool like GIF finders, you
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naturally build that in. So it's not something that
somebody has to now come and fix.
It's that awareness in the very beginning.
So Kathy, I applaud you for whatyou're building.
It's just absolutely tremendous.Thank you, think it is a lot of
fun too. It really is just to get to know
people and then when other people learn the gifts and I, I
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love watching them sitting and talking about, oh, that person,
you know, she's a, she's, she's a server, you know, she's a
teacher. So it's, it's only 7 guys.
It's only 7 so. You know.
Talk about the right easy peasy and it's all about you.
It's not about what people thinkyou ought to be or what you
think you ought to be according to these, you know, other
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personality gifts. These are things that is based
on your character characteristics, the way that
you were born, the way that you move, that you think you
operate. You know, like when are you
talking about some move fast andsome move slow?
I didn't realize that that was part of our gift things.
So I have people who are super slow, you know, and I was like,
Oh my God, you're just lazy. No, they're slow and right.
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And they're not in a hurry like I am at that particular moment.
So if you want something from a compassion person, if you need
it in a week, you better give them two.
You know what I'm saying? And so, and you just learn how
to walk, walk around and operatein the, in the field and, and
you know of, of gifts and they all are so beautiful, right?
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There's also beautiful when whenyou see people operating in
them, they are just as beautifuland happy, joyful doing what
they do. And so it just makes life easy
for everybody on both sides because guess what?
The real you, regardless of whatever you do, I don't care
what kind of personality they told you that you have according
to you, or color. If you're red or blue or you're
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a dog or a cat, you know, you know they do the animals too,
right? They do everything.
There's a disc, there's a strength finders, there's a
personal 16 personalities, there's all sorts.
Oh my gosh, sometimes it feels like you're in the weeds because
they there's like nuances and layers when you can say 7.
Right, exactly. So you got the seven regard.
(20:57):
Wherever you go, you're going toshow it the real you eventually.
I don't care how long you've been hiding, being an imposter
behind that thing that you've been doing.
You've been doing pretty good atit, but you hated it is
eventually going to show up. You know, if it shows up in your
home, you know, in your friendships, you know, and then
it's eventually going to show upin your in your work.
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All right, Kathy, so I got a bold question to ask you.
OK, so this this podcast is called did she really say that?
I mean, we're about bold statements being a little
authentic. Mind you, we are not, you know,
we do have profanity where we're, you know, we're we're
locked down to a certain age group because of the topics of
conversations that we tend to sometimes have in here.
(21:42):
So the question is that I'm basically giving you free reign
to say whatever pops out of yourmouth asking, OK, OK, so if
there's a swear word or something, feel free to say it.
OK, so you are a powerhouse woman.
Have you ever came across a situation where you were talking
to a client or a business or putting something together and
they all stopped to look at you and said, did she really say
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that? You know what, that is a great
question. And it's absolutely funny
because I do ministry a lot, right?
I minister to women and, you know, good stuff.
And so with me having the gift of perceiver, perceivers are the
ones that say what that, you know, what comes up comes out or
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because of our great discernment, right?
And then sometimes we can see things and hear them, you know,
and hear things that they don't necessarily know that we heard
that and they don't necessarily know that they said, right?
And so yes, I have. And so this might seem it's it's
it's this is the first thing popped in my head.
(22:47):
So I was talking to this young lady and she was having marital
problems and she had and I already knew the background of
the marriage and the husband andthe things.
And so she called me one night and she was just so upset.
And she said he left me. I said, Oh my God, girl,
celebrate. That's like that's.
(23:09):
Not what she wanted to hear, probably.
She started, but she didn't tellme that I said girl, because I
started just Oh my God, that's so great, girl, celebrate, OK,
celebrate because it's been so much.
I was holding in that I you know, that I knew and you know,
for your life and blah, blah, blah.
I said girl, just celebrate, it's OK.
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And so the years it took her years later to tell me she could
not believe I said that. I said celebrate.
And I said it in a way that it was so she said it was just so
it just stabbed her like, like, stop crying, you know, and
celebrate. You've been in misery all these
years, all these years. And so if he's, if he left, and
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of course, I'm all for marriage,you know, and not looking for
anybody's marriage to break up and and all of that.
But if that's the thing that happened in that particular
moment, you're going to have to learn again.
We have to pivot how to turn on a dime.
You know what I'm saying? And you just have to.
It is what it is. That is the problem.
Now, what's the solution? Yeah.
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So the first thing I told her todo.
Part of that solution was to celebrate and.
You know, sometimes that's not the answer we want to hear,
right? There's a lot of emotions that
go through on that type and and all the doubts we experience as
women, everything we're going through.
I think as women, sometimes we hold on a little longer than
we're supposed to. I think it's it's just the
(24:35):
expectation that we're supposed to stay married.
Exactly. A lot of things culturally, I
think that we get stuck on. Also, right?
Or that they just facing other things.
They just don't want to be alone, you know, to live
miserably, you know. But she told me years later, I
can't believe you said that. That's exactly what she said to
me. That's why I left.
That's the first thing that cameto my mind.
(24:57):
And so when I'm coaching women and when people come to me and
say I want you to be my mentor, I said, you sure about that?
I said, you know, I need for youto talk to a couple of people
because the person that you meetfor sure is my 100% gifting of
exhorter. I love people, I love people and
I want to see people do well. I tell you your, you know,
(25:17):
what's good or bad or indifferent about your ideas.
And, you know, in our first conversations, if you start
telling me about it or I start planning with you, you know, I'm
like, no, no, no, you need to dothis.
Let's, let's work this out. You got 3 here, write this down,
blah, blah, blah. You know, and, but, and then
when you get into that process and you find out that your, your
capacity to handle what it is that you feel like that you want
(25:40):
to come in business with are thething that you want to do.
And if I'm going to tell you that you are being, you know,
slothful, you know I'm going to be honest with you.
So and that's the thing a lot ofpeople can't handle from a
perceiver person, that perceiveris going to give you honesty
hands down. So if you don't want.
To know the truth. Right.
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If you don't want to, don't. If you don't want to know the
truth, don't. Ask a person with the perceiver
gift because that's all they're going to give you.
All right, so we're wrapping up here because we could continue
talking for ours, Kathy, you andI, and to both know we've had
our meet and greet. We could sit here and just roll
with this whole episode. So couple of things.
First, what's next for Bestie Finder?
(26:21):
So we are actually rolling out. We've actually added another
associate coach to our team. And so again, so bestie Finder
now we, we just really, we're, we're three years old and we are
actually, but we've been doing business much longer.
But Bestie Finder is 3 years oldand we're and we find ourselves
(26:43):
just diving into, you know, all the things Bestie Finder.
So working on our matchmaking events and you know, matchmaking
your besties, you can find your bestie in life best, you know,
friendships, business partners, you know, jobs, people want to
work, they want a career, they don't want to run a business.
That's OK too, you know. And so, but we are, we've added
(27:05):
the components of faith and finance, you know, health and
Wellness, you know what I'm saying?
Or just our Wellness coaching. So we just really just rolling
out all the different componentsof all the coaches.
So you got all these different coaches that's there.
And then our business coach, right?
So we have Wellness ministry, you got Wellness, spiritual
(27:30):
business, even just a personal, if you just just you personally
want to get your act together, right.
So we're just really amping up and ramping, getting everybody
all involved and taking their gift assessment so we can help
direct them in the the way that they want to go.
Yeah, so there's basically there's something for you no
matter where you're at in your life, whether you're looking for
(27:52):
personal relationship, spirituality, career, becoming a
business owner, there is the thegifts that you have and
understanding. I think that at your core self
really is the, the, the next step moving forward for any of
us, right? But you've really got to know
who you are and then be able to communicate that and understand
the different personalities, thedifferent gifts that are out
(28:15):
there and how to connect with them, how to speak to them.
I mean, if you're a coach and you want to bring in more
clients, you've got to learn howyou're speaking to these these
gifts, right? Otherwise you're never going to
have a client or they're all going to be exactly like you,
which is a good thing. But I've had that experience and
then it becomes a little much like you want the diversity of
(28:35):
being able to talk and improve your communications.
Yeah, oh, that's so good, yes, so just coming in that space of
yeah, just it was I had a thought that slipped my mind,
but on that, but yes, because mybrain just be rolling.
Oh, yeah, all the time. All right, so how can our
audience of women, and I know we've got a few men listening in
(28:57):
on here, You guys can't help yourselves.
And I love you for that because you were like, I want to know
what women are thinking. Yes.
Go cap. So what it was, that's why I was
just going to say it is. That's why it's so important for
everybody to definitely discovertheir gifts because again, when
you get coaching for any place else, you said it earlier, I
don't know, it's before we got on or when we first started.
(29:18):
Like when you going there tell you, go figure out, go, you
know, here you go take this, thegift assessment or there's a
personality test or whatever. But they don't tell you how to
dig in and how to do this thing,how to live that person, that
life that you just discovered, right?
And so they tell you that you need to go to discover yourself,
but nobody really offers how to do that.
(29:39):
Yeah, and you've broken that down within groups.
You've said, hey, meet other people just like you have
communication, start talking to other people that are opposite
of you. Learn how to like, you're giving
them as an opportunity to kind of like test and fail with other
peoples that get what we're wanting to accomplish.
And I think that's the beauty ofwhat you're creating.
All right. So for our audience that's
listening, Kathy, you have a couple of things that you said
(30:01):
you were gonna give away or gifts that you were going to
extend. So there is the first one, which
is the there's a course you have, it's called Bestie
Finders. Yeah, that's the Discover U
course. OK.
So the Discover U course share alittle bit about that.
So that is really all about justto discover you.
So you take the gift assessment and then we have some, just some
(30:23):
some, you know, videos that you can listen to about each group.
So all about the characteristics, breaking those
down and then it talks about thechallenge, the areas that that
are challenging in those gifts so that those are the things
that make you clash with everybody, right with anybody
or, you know, don't stand up or speak up for yourself.
So yes, so that's what that is. So it's it's easy piece, it's
(30:46):
self-paced. You can just go to
bestiefinder.net slash. Gift Gifts course is what you
have here, and this will all be in the show notes, ladies.
So like everybody that's listening, if you have
questions, no matter where you're at, you're watching us on
YouTube, you're watching us on your favorite podcast platform.
Down the show notes are all the clickable links.
Grab it, follow Kathy, take her up on the gifts that she has,
(31:06):
and then also you have the a bestie membership.
So future bestie membership, what is?
So that's a future Bestie. So if they go in and just click
that they want to join the community, they can Scroll down.
You see future Bestie is free that they can just come in and
and just kind of look around, you know, so because in there
(31:27):
you going to find out different groups of of courses work, you
know, other types of groups going on, but they are private.
So again, you have your private and you have your public groups
in there and but you still get achance to, you know, hang out
and see all the different events.
You still get to chat in your group and just different things.
But I do have one more that I wanted to share with you guys.
(31:51):
So yeah, Bestie. So you go to bestiefinder.net,
scroll and find future Bestie sign up and you're in.
But this is an opportunity for them to take a little snippet,
like a little mini gift assessment for free.
I have my yes, I did it for you.I said let me do this for
Katrina. I want to do this on her on her
show. So it's Bestie finder.net/scan
(32:16):
me SCANM. All right, so scan me.
Hold on. I got to put that down just so I
make sure all my team has all this in there.
OK, OK, so yeah, so I just got that today hot off the press and
it's a free glimpse. So you get to take a little mini
a mini gift assessment just to give you a little snippet of the
(32:37):
of your gifts. And so, you know, we were want
you to, you know, just lead you into taking the full assessment,
taking a gift course. Yeah.
And I think that's beautiful because I think we're always a
little timid about taking another personality assessment.
I think I've taken every single one of them out there at some
point over the last 15 years, 20years or whatever, how many
(32:58):
years I've been doing this. So I'm, I'm really excited.
I'm going to be taking you up onthis.
Like I'm going to be like, oh, Igot to do Kathy's best test
because it, it's, I'm curious, right?
With everything that's out there, I feel like it needs to
evolve. To be honest, listeners and
ladies, some of these assessmenttests are decades.
Old, yes. Written by men.
(33:21):
I love you guys, but I feel likeyou're trying to
compartmentalize us in ways thatwe as women, we kind of grow and
evolve in a lot of ways. Exactly.
And I think we really are. Yeah.
And who we really are, we evolve, we grow.
And I think once you become a certain wear of awareness, you
look to improve yourself. You're not staying in that
(33:41):
state. Like you're going to go to work
on where maybe you're not compassionate just to have an
element be able to communicate like so.
So you're an ever evolving humanbeing.
And sometimes I feel like some of these assessments that yes,
our centuries feel like they're old.
I think the evolution of them, like with the gifts, I think
with things that are other toolsthat are out there that I really
(34:02):
enjoyed. Like I'm going to mention
another one out here. Bank is another one that I
really love for learning how to do sales, right.
I think when you can simplify itand really make it more about
community communication and getting to know people around
you and less just about yourself, but really
understanding how the world and people work around you.
I think that's where you really Catholic stand out and why I
(34:24):
loved having you on this episodeof Did she really say that?
So I really appreciate all your gifts that you're bringing into
the world. I know that we will probably be
meeting up in person sooner rather than later.
So I'm excited to really ladies that are listening, gentlemen
that are listening, take her up on her gifts that she's
(34:44):
presented to with you today. Learn more about yourself.
Learn how to continue developingyourself as a leader, a
communicator, somebody that is not just the me in the
conversation, but me as we relate to we in this
conversation. Because that is the strength.
That is why Kathy's building communities.
That's why she's doing workshops.
That's why she's built out the Women University.
(35:07):
That's why she's built out Bestie Finder.
It's really about creating connections and collaborations
and community. So don't feel like you have to
do it on your own. Start plugging in.
So with that, Kathy, any last final words?
No, we just. I look forward to seeing all my
new besties inside. I love it.
All right, ladies, thank you everyone that's listening to
(35:27):
this episode of Did She Really Say That?
Because she really did. And through here we know that
time management, productivity, running a business, living life,
all have elements that are important to us.
So we want you tapping into every episode, listening to
every guest and leaving commentsand letting them know what
you're finding valuable, how it's helping you in your life,
(35:48):
business, personal, spiritual and everything in between.
Because that's what did She Really say that is all about.
So all my listeners will see youon the next episode.
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