October 24, 2025 • 43 mins
Did She Really Say That? - Episode with Julie Delene
Welcome to another enlightening episode of "Did She Really Say That?" hosted by the inspiring Katrina Van Oudheusden, also known as Chef Katrina. Dive into a conversation that blends mindfulness, movement, and intention as Katrina chats with the charismatic Julie Delene, founder of Move as One.
Episode Summary
In this episode, Katrina Van Oudheusden sits down with Julie Delene, a strategic management consultant and mindfulness teacher, to explore how integrating movement with mindfulness can enhance leadership and teamwork. Julie shares insights from her Move as One system, which uses the dynamic of dance and Eastern philosophies to create synergy in personal and professional spaces.
Key Discussion Points
The importance of movement and mindfulness, especially for women in business.
An introduction to Julie Delene's Move as One system, including its foundation in strategic management and Eastern practices.
The influence of ballroom dancing on personal growth and team synergies.
Stories and strategies from Julie's 30 years of experience in business strategy and personal development.
Exploring Julie's game "Wise Moves," designed to encourage mindful interaction for personal and team growth.
Upcoming opportunities to interact with the game online and engage in guided sessions.
Guest Bios
Julie Delene is a strategic management consultant, mindfulness teacher, and the founder of Move as One. With over 30 years of experience in driving business growth, facilitating change, and performing as a professional ballroom dancer, Julie integrates Eastern mindfulness with Western management systems to foster dynamic teams and innovative leaders.
Recommended Resources
Visit Move as One Online for more about Julie's program and the online version of the "Wise Moves" game.
The Move as One game is available online. Subscribers can look forward to guided game sessions and interactive experiences with others.
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Episode Transcript
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(00:01):
Well, welcome back to this episode of Did She Really Say
That? I am your host Katrina Venatus
and also known as Chef Katrina. And we are in a joyous
conversation today in this episode.
And why do I say this? Because I have Julie joining us
talking about movement and mindfulness.
So now I think this is super, super important, especially for
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US women in business because oftentimes we don't think to
move. How many of you are sitting
behind a desk? How many do you get up?
How many of you are even aware of your surrounding half the
time or you're just going through your day, right?
So this conversation is going tobe an eye opener for you.
This I know because I've talked with Julie previously and what
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you're going to hear is really I, it's, it's exactly what you
need. And I love what she's done to
bring this into a more playful atmosphere.
And you're gonna hear about thistoo.
So who is this amazing individual?
So the move, she is the move as one founder.
She's a strategic management consultant.
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She's a mindfulness teacher and a whole systems facilitator who
developed the move as one system.
Now that is a brilliant name by the way, Julie, like I love that
on its own. She helps leaders and teams Co
create dynamic movement that is energizing, mutually aligned and
internally accountable or yeah, internally accountable and
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highly effective. So as a team, learning to move,
learning to be mindful of each other, I think this is one of
the biggest things we're missingfrom a lot of our corporate
training. And even as an entrepreneur,
move as one aligns insight and purpose while create Co creating
a new dance of interconnection, resulting in remarkable enhanced
performance. So think about from this
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perspective, but Julie's creating, what we're going to
talk about is that when you blend movement with mindfulness,
it has an impact in performance and in your overall business.
So if you're somebody that's looking to level up your
leadership, level up your team, whether you're an entrepreneur
with a small team or you're a corporation with a large team,
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this is something you want to do, right?
So Julie has over 30 years of experience defining business
strategies, driving growth and improving performance, and
facilitating changes for major organizations and entrepreneurs.
She's an accomplished professional ballroom dancer.
We have that in common. So I'm sighted.
So Move. Move as one was inspired by
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elements of a successful leadership and teamwork.
So alignment and engagement and synergy.
And I think when you talk about how people move on a dance
floor, that all comes together, right?
She. Has more than three decades of
management consulting with extensive studies in Eastern
practices. So she blends this all together.
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We're going to talk more about that.
She's highly accredited, she's worked with amazing clients, the
Mayo Healthcare, she has worked with GTS Educational events,
Lake Point Chiropractic, and this list goes on and on and on.
And I know, dear Lord, we're going to get done through all
this. But really, Julie, it is an
absolute honor to have you here on our episode and really
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talking about this. I'm grateful.
Thank you. Yeah, it's fun.
It's been, it's been a long journey.
And it has been this revealing process of what Move as One is.
And so I named it became Move asOne in 2000.
And I feel like I've been learning from it ever since.
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It's it's like my prayer to moveas one.
And and there's just been so many things that have come along
to support me on that journey and to integrate.
And so this synthesizing it all together into what we do in
life. You know how we move, what we're
what we're talking about, what we're dreaming in, what we're Co
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creating with others. That's the important part of
synthesizing it so we don't haveto take things apart, learn one,
one piece and say there, I've got it.
That's where we get stuck. It's always, it's a movement and
we are a movement and we're a movement of nature.
So yeah. And I find it's interesting.
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So, you know, when you talk about movement, a lot of people
don't recognize, and I think especially as human beings, that
movement is critical. It is actually what stimulates
creativity. It's what, you know, gets us out
and about. So like so many times we're
stuck behind the computer. And especially as women, when we
start getting into the world of business, we're we're really in
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front of our monitors a lot. We're in front of all this
digital technology. Sometimes we just need to
unplug. So you know what you're talking
about this development. So your background is in
consulting, working with businesses and teams, and yet
you felt pulled to create almostlike this mindfulness element
into it. So let's talk a little bit about
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that. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Because I was a consultant for Arthur Andersen, which was a, a
big deal at one point. And, and it was, you know,
these, these intense projects ofpulling people together.
And what I was seeing and learning was that people weren't
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always moving, changing their, their consciousness to expand.
And no matter how many processesor, or different approaches we
put into place, it just wouldn't, wouldn't maneuver.
And at the same time, I was going through a personal growth
experience and I was thrown intothese miracle of the breath
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trainings, mindfulness training.And it completely changed my
life. And I was so taken with it.
I was, I said to my parents, they said I need to quit
consulting and teach breathing. It was like, don't we all
breathe? And it was like, we're not
strategic, we're not conscious of it.
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And it's this powerful strategicpositioning of who we are.
And, and then after learning themiracle of the breath, I got
more involved in Qigong and moreEastern practices.
And then I started to ballroom dance.
And when I was dancing, I was incorporating the breath work,
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the Qigong, the mindfulness, theawareness and the synergy in, in
my dances was just really profound.
And, and I thought this is, and it was fun.
So it was like, how do I convey this even more into what I'm
doing with leaders and teams? And, and that's when Mobis one
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started to really get some form and some legs.
And, and I'll back it up. I was, I was facilitating and I,
I was facilitating these long process change, you know,
procedures and it became very clear to me was just simple five
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phase process. And that's what became the moves
process, the moves method. And, and so from there it
started to take on a lot more form, as you'll see behind me.
And I wanted, and I could see itso clearly.
And so when I would facilitate people, I'd see them make
shifts, I'd see the change in consciousness, I'd see the
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integration, the the wholeness, the unification and but I
couldn't convey it without having physical things.
Intangible to play like to, to make it a reality because
sometimes we, we innately feel it, but we're not like we don't
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see the tangible And I, we're insuch a place where we have to
feel, touch everything. So I can totally see that.
Right, right. The semantics, it's, it's, it's,
it's really getting it in your body, embodying it and feeling
that connection. And, and so that's what then I
started to will teach dance as part of that process of how to
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integrate it in your body. What are the mindful moves
needed? And, and then also get into
writing a book about it and thencreating the game.
And the game is really fascinating.
I've had it for 10 years now, playing it in different
situations and it helps people move so fast.
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So it's, and I call it year wisemoves.
And the point is that we all have been on a journey of
wisdom. We all have that wisdom.
We've had many, many introductions to many different
modalities, many practices. And so when we, so this is an
integration of a lot of different modalities and
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practices and you pick cards based on or it's, it's an online
digital program now and it will stimulate your wisdom and it
stimulates the wisdom that you need at that time for whatever
you're trying to change and and make changes.
Yeah. I'm going to stop you right here
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because I want to dive more intothis game also and I want to
just want to walk everybody that's listening through it.
So for ladies that are listening, I want you to kind of
step back first. So some of you might have heard
of breath work as if it's like something new.
So Julie, when you did your breath work, how long ago was
that? Yeah, it was.
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In 1995 and 1996 that I got certified and then I started to
host day breath workshops in my house and would clear out all
the furniture, bring people in and really saw some shifts.
But I realized I needed to integrate it more.
So yeah. So, and I just want to pause
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there because I want to just point to this that as women like
there are modalities that are coming back is what I would say,
right? So I wanted to have Julie
mention that she did this in the90s because we think it's like
something that's just happened after 2020.
Like this is all like new. What's interesting is it's been
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around, right? And so the.
The first modality for you was learning to breathe, and that is
such an important piece and I really want everybody, all the
women that are listening and thefew good men to hear that.
It is super important to recognize your breath, right?
So that was, I think, key numberone in this journey, right?
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Yeah. And thank you for pausing on
that because I always like to point out there, there's a
healing triangle and the triangle is integrating that
awareness of your breath with whatever the pain is and
whatever the body is. So you see all that you, you are
a witness to that integration. Because when we do have
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something painful happen, we usually separate ourselves from
our breath and our body. And that dissociation is what
causes us to get into a cycle of, of this regulation.
And we, we, we find ourselves distracted a lot.
It's almost. Like, and I will say too, for as
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women, we tend to have, we told us some traumatic experiences
that happened to us. And I think there's either ways
of shame or things that we've dealt with culturally that we
just kind of deal with. I think every time something
like that happens, we splinter ourselves.
Absolutely. What I like about what you're
saying is that when we work withour breath, we start to center
and pull ourselves back together.
We start healing those splinters.
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And I think that's an important piece in what we're going to
dive into around your game. Because what you have to
understand is that what Julie has really done is she's looked
at different modalities. And I think this is where women
are brilliant, including Julie. I'll put her at the top for this
because when we're able to pull different modalities and start
weaving them together, we truly create something new.
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And that is why I was so excitedto have Julie on this podcast
because I was like, you've literally brought in old what
seemingly seems new, but they'reall like ancient modalities.
That's when instead of separating them, because I feel
like so many times in our world,the men like to separate
everything because they can sellit better, right?
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Yep. Right as women, we start weaving
it back together because it's not meant to be separate.
It's meant to be part of a wholeprocess.
So I love because I wanted to stop you because I think you
talk about breath. Yeah.
We talk about like, working withteams and seeing those shifts,
right. Then you talk about movement
through ballroom dancing. So talk to me about your journey
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with ballroom dancing. Like, did you decide that one
day you were just going to go start taking ballroom classes?
Like what was your what was yourfirst like, time on on the dance
floor? Like when you stepped.
On. The first practice, let's start.
Let's let's dive into that a little bit.
Oh, that's so, that's so great. I wanted to comment on some of
those things of the integration and the ancient wisdom that this
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does come from and applaud you for, for bringing that out
because it is based on a lot of mindful Eastern wisdom that has
been around. But how do we make it relevant
for us now? And, and that's, that's a big
piece. So, so when I started to dance
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and I, it was right when I started to go off on my own, out
of a consulting company, into myown business, that I felt a
little bit alone, You know, I was alone on this journey.
And, and by the way, you know, this was right when mindfulness
was just starting to, to blossomin our culture.
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Yoga centers were not as prevalent as they are now.
They're all over the place. And so there, there was just
this big shift and but I was that I couldn't wait to spread
it. I couldn't wait to talk about
it. And and so anyway, ballroom
dance, I was able to get into that body experience and breathe
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and move and connect and feel that synergy that happens with
somebody. And I was, like I said, I just,
I, I had immediate experiences dancing with the professional
dancer. He became a very good friend.
He's still a very good friend. My first dance teacher, really
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bright from Yale and you know, was, was able to convey a lot of
what the dance structures were. And I was resistant to the
structures. I didn't want anything to kind
of impede or be told what to do.You know, it's kind of that
resistant, rebellious side of me.
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But I found that the more I cooperated with some of the
communication styles that was happening in my body with
another person's body, when I learned those structures, I
could then we could blossom together inside of it.
And that became part of understanding how the body
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moves, how we move together, andunderstanding that breath work
is moving through our whole system.
And the more that we open it up,this is not just a here, you
know, where we have shallow breathing.
Everything. Pressing it and This is why I
love that because the hands and the hand movement and expressing
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your arms, you can't just do that, you know, you have to
express it through your whole body and the extension of that
is an extension of your heart. And so that became this whole
hand, heart, hips, you know, integration of how do we
integrate our whole body in a movement and recognize the
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connection and the presence thathappens from that.
So I think it's really interesting.
So as a ballroom dancer myself, I did, I resisted a lot with
ballroom dancing. By the way, for those that are
listening, I repeat this to twirl.
In the very beginning, I wouldn't put my back to a guy to
save my life because I was too girly and I was like, I don't
twirl. Like, I actually said that to my
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instructor, right? And it was interesting because
that's on me. That was not feeling safe in my
own body. It wasn't.
It was a lot of my own limiting beliefs around myself.
So I always say this, ladies andgentlemen, because there's a
demand for men to learn to dance.
And I think what I love about the ballroom dancing in general
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is that it is that subtle connection.
Yeah. If he moves his hand one way,
it's a signal to you, and your ability to recognize that signal
and express cross it through your body is something for the
female. And it always is interesting
when I worked with my dance partner too, he's like, I can't
move unless you move. Right, right.
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Right. And vice versa, he can't move
unless I'm moving. So you learn that it is a
choreography of. It's a communication.
Yeah, it seems like the male is leading, but in reality a lot of
the times the female has got to accept.
Absolutely. And when you learn that
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communication, I think it it bleeds into relationships.
It bleeds absolutely. And you start to see the world
around you vastly. I miss having like dancing be a
mandatory skill and I think every human being learn.
Well, and, and honestly, and what I'm trying to convey is you
don't have to learn ballroom Latin and swing to, you know,
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but it's the movement with each other.
So how do we move with each other?
How do you learn? So one of the, one of the
coaches that we had, we had phenomenal coaching from some of
the pros. And this one coach said, Julie,
you're not, you're not opening up to your partner.
And it was a minor, minor tweak in my in my heart space, having
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to open up my chest so that I was available, which felt very
vulnerable. You know, I was like having to
open up and feel this connectionwith somebody I wasn't too
comfortable with always, you know, and yet if I wasn't open,
there was no movement that couldbe.
It was a resistant movement. And so it wasn't singing.
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And then the other thing about that lead follow, I call it
instead of lead follow, initiateand respond.
And this whole you initiate, yourespond and it comes back and
forth. It's this liquid movement of
who's leading and who's following and you know, yeah.
And it and it becomes that synergistic experience of
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there's almost like a greater force that comes in and moves
you both. So it's it's such.
A beautiful thing. And I think movement and dance
in general, I, I really would love for society to learn to
dance together. Like I feel like we all sit
there in our own little silos and just shake our bodies.
Yes, That is not like I feel like that's great if you're
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trying to get some jitters out with the ideally being and
learning to be held and respected.
I think it's also a respect issue between men and women.
And that's right. In relationships, you learn to
respect space, understand where you know.
You learn boundaries too. When we always talk about we
need to set more boundaries. Go learn ballroom dancing and
you'll find out boundaries really quickly.
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That's right. And, and that's where the, the
opening, the shaping that the how do you hold and how do you
hold the shape? So when you start to get, you
know, I started to move into international dance styles and
that's even more refined. Everything is refined.
Your heel and the way that it moves, you know it was refined
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and how when you get that way then you become even more
sensitized to does my partner know how to lead in those ways
because. It is very respectful, it's very
sensitive. It's this, this moving as one
experience that's very delicate and that's true of all of us in
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this world. How do we stay sensitive to the
connections we have? And you take that into the world
of business, you take that into the world of entrepreneurship,
you take that into the building your team.
You have to understand how you're responding to each one
another. You have to understand how you
move within the space and then then how are they responding?
And I think part of that is boththe non verbal and the
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communication, which is what brings us into the game.
Right, right. So we talked about it's like
there's the subtleties of, of learning that silent language.
And I think as women, we are kind of got a leg up, especially
if you had children, because we've learned to listen to a cry
and distinguish a cry from each other, right?
We've learned to, to, to sense things that aren't spoken.
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So there's a kind of an unfair advantage for in that in some
ways, right? But when you started bringing in
this, you know, move as one and you bring in this mindfulness,
the game really becomes important because in this
drawing of a card and moving through it and communicating it,
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you really get a sense of understanding yourself and the
people you're working with. Right, right.
So much of our communication is,you know, they say even up to
90% is non verbal. So how to have that presence and
that connection that's non verbal, but then also to use the
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communication in such a way thatyou're talking in healthy ways,
not in, in ways that are condemning or, or pointing
fingers or judging outside, because that's not how we're
going to make change. You know, that's the
mindfulness. So how do I understand myself?
How do I relate what, what's going on or sense what's going
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on and then convey it? And, and believe me, I don't do
it well with my partner all the time because it just can get
really frustrating. But we do play the game.
We've we've, we're going throughsignificant change right now,
moving down to to Colorado from Minnesota.
And so we've been playing the game almost weekly because we've
got so much to convey to each other without doing it, doing it
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in a healthy way and being able to say these words that that
come from your own heart and that are not condemning to
somebody, but just saying here'swhere I'm standing.
I think my favorite phrase is seek to understand as to be
understood. Right, right.
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And I think. Yeah, seek to understand as to
be understood. And that's always kind of stuck
with me. It's like there's always common
ground for all of us. Yeah, right.
And so let's talk about the creation of this game.
So we have the idea we want to bring mindfulness and movement
like. And you brought it into a board
game, which is like, OK, like it's kind of kind of walk us
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through that process as an entrepreneur.
What was that development for you?
I mean, were did you know how tocreate games?
Was that something new? For you, no, it for me and and
the reason I call it a game and I just played it last night was
because sometimes you I'm I'm trying to convey how again,
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bring out your own wisdom. I don't want to have to, I don't
if I'm not always leading the, the breath or the movement or
let other people and it when they pick a card and it's
related to something they're wanting to move and it says,
last night it was like lead others in a breath meditation.
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And typically they won't do that.
They'll think, I can't do that. They're going to leave it out
for somebody else. But when they get pick the card
and they're at this table and they, they say, OK, let's let's
stop and breathe for a moment. Then they are much more embodied
with that experience. And that's the whole point or or
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another is, you know, and they can be like charades, but act
out a person that you is a heroine to you or a hero to you.
And how would you act that person's inequalities?
So embodying some of that noticing the movements or
noticing or another card is, youknow, if I was, if I had to be
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somebody, you know, the oppositeof who I am, what would that
look like? And so that's where it comes
into kind of a game of embodyingsome of these things and and
acting them out. And they're not all about within
a group. It's definitely within yourself.
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You can stop, but you can pause,you can Draw Something, you can
pick up a game, you can look around the room, you can
identify a picture, something that's speaking to you.
And these are again, all different modalities that people
have taught. How did?
You come up with these cards, was it like because of what I'm
hearing like in your job, this is a lot of like really creative
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thinking around the the of thesecards.
So like how did? Yeah, how did?
You come up with a of cards for this.
I'm AI think I'm a more of a generalist in that I love
studying and I love exploring. And so I've been on this journey
and the very first training I got at Arthur Andersen was
Leadership 2000 with psychologist, a man in Arizona
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who studied rocks. And he talked about the, how our
creativity dies, you know, from age 5 on, because we've been
told no, no, no, no, so many times that it becomes, you know,
and, and however we're raised asfar as we have to play within
these lines or, you know, our creativity is, is not stimulated
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or allowed or opened up. And so that was my first
introduction into how do we expand our creativity.
And it just the whole leadershipfacilitation is all based on,
you know, innovation and expanding our minds and thinking
outside the box. And so that, so I was
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interested, but because of my own personal journey of having
trauma, I lost a baby, you know,in my first marriage that was
very traumatic. And that trauma was in my body
until I started to breathe. And once I started to breathe
and unwind it, I found out all the somatic experiences that
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were so important for me to integrate into who I am.
And I still am very, I must sense I'm what I'm call a
sensitive empath. I can sense other people's pains
and it easily triggers somethingand I can feel it and it's like,
you know, breathing through thatone.
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I just yeah, anyway, it's it's ait's I think we're all, we all
share breath. We all share this collective
experience. And so being we are all
triggered by each other in different ways.
So having that's part of the reason for the game as well is
to show that take care of your inner ecosystem and then you can
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take care of the larger ecosystem.
So the game behind you, I know it's right behind you, I know
it's ply balancing there, There are 5, right?
What? What do each of those mean?
So what are the five colors? Yeah, so I talked about is the
energy. The reason it's called move is 1
system is that it integrates theenergy, the actions and the
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awareness and the energy comes from and this came later, as I
said, it was integrated through,you know, more Eastern
techniques and and one of them is the five element E Chinese
wisdom on the five element system and how our nature is
constantly teaching us how to Cocreate and it teaches us how to
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be in balance. And so this that whole system
just lit me up because I I was like, that's what I've been
teaching in the moves process and moves are the actions.
And so that's what that's what came first, and then the
awareness comes through as you start to work with this.
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So the the elements are water feeds, water feeds the seeds,
the seeds grow up into trees. So the wood, the wood we use to
make fire, fire burns down and make and contributes back into
the earth and the earth we or our metal and they direct our
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waterways. And so that whole cycle of the
system is a balanced system and and it keeps it in control too.
So for instance, if there's fire, you use water.
So that's how you balance these these opposing elements.
And what's fascinating about that is that there's
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personalities, people have the personalities of these elements.
And when they're overused and they're stuck in one element,
they're not moving. They're not that movement of
nature. So how to learn to integrate all
those elements and to keep them moving.
And that's where the actions come in.
So the, the actions of the move processes, mapping where you're
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at, you know, be, be present andbe clear, open to ideas,
possibilities, you know, this iswhere our bodies open up and we,
we feel a lot more and it can feel very watery, very
expansive. And then from that place emerges
some seedlings, you know, seeds that want to grow up and we
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emerge a vision. And that's that very organic
process to getting clear on what's, what do we need?
What do we really want to create?
What's our real purpose here? And so that's the the wood we
and then we visualize that we get a clear direction and then
we move that into the fire and engage it.
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So the actions are map, open, vision, engage, and then we
sustain it and we sustain it into practice.
I love what you've created like I've just because it is
definitely the the next level ofof thinking.
Thank you for leading this conversation in both mindfulness
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and and taking advantage of breath work before it really
became a, you know, something that we adopted a mass adoption
of it. Right, right.
And so you kinda are the pioneer.
You're the pioneer woman behind the scenes.
So all of you listening, you're meeting a pioneer.
Someone's break broke through a lot of the things and through
her journey has really assimilated and brought it
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together in a way that you todaycan take advantage of it, right?
So that's right. But this game I know is an
online version of this. I know that we talked about
that. So let's talk about there's two
things I had a question on. So there's the game is online.
When we draw the card, you talk about having an intention before
you draw. Let's talk about that a little
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bit. Yeah, yes.
And it, and it can be, it's it'sfascinating.
I've played it both ways. Somebody comes in with an
intention or question or issue and they want, really want to
make some movement. And so they'll come in and then
it's very clear how to guide thequestions.
Whatever cards they pick, it's around that.
But sometimes people will just come in and start to play the
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game. They're little, I don't know
what to do, But the intention will start to develop, you know,
the clarity will start to develop.
And I've also seen where somebody comes in with one idea
of what they're trying to solve,and it's clearly a whole.
Yeah. So out of the game, do you pick
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like one from each of the five areas?
So you're so you are picking a card from each of the five areas
and then that is what you're at movement and mindfulness around.
Right. And and we do movement at each
different phase to to help with the transitions.
Does it need? To be guided by you?
Or can we just go online and do it ourselves like.
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So the online game is has the movement, has the cards and it
picks from, you know, it's 150 different cards.
So all those different combinations that can come about
and that's yeah. So so people can self pace
themselves in in doing it online.
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We are my my operations person is we're going to start doing
online game conversations that people can just TuneIn they can
get their own game set and we'llwe'll play it as a group.
They can contribute as they wantor they can be quiet and just
reflect. So that's what's coming very
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soon. I love this because I feel like
it is a game. I will call it a game because of
the fact that I think we need more play in our lives.
Absolutely. Sometimes, yeah, we gotta have
games that we can play and well,it might have be very
purposeful, right? I think that's where I love what
you bring together because there's a mindfulness, there's a
purposefulness. And yet at the same time, I can
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see while playing this and having that intention, I could
see laughter. I could see like an opening up.
I could see like a, a sense of getting to know the people
around you or learning more about yourself so that you when
you take this on, whether even if so, if you're an entrepreneur
that has like 1 other a person or you're doing this by
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yourself, I do invite you to go online, play the game, find
somebody else, another female entrepreneur, somebody to play
this game with. Right, right, right, If you.
Have a small team and say you'relike maybe three or five of you
play this game together. I think you know, one of the
things that often is often miss as women as we build businesses
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are those team building moments.So finding ways in which you can
blend this really powerful mindfulness move as one
movement. Yeah.
And bring that to your team, you're going to learn a lot
about each other. It might even point to different
strengths on your team that you weren't even aware of.
That's right. Yep.
Because you've. Seen that right, absolutely,
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absolutely. And when and they start to
understand each other a lot more.
So this is, you know, when there's conflict, especially,
and there's, there's a, you know, combination of what those
personalities are and you can start to see what the, the
conflicts can be between different elements and people
and strength and elements. It just helps to open up the
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understanding so much more. And, and there's, and then the
movement happens, you know, thenthey all get on board.
They, they're not resistant. You know, there's, there's a
flow, there's a flow that startsto happen.
I think I truly believe your game needs to be in probably
every corporate environment in the world.
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And, and I'm trying to, what I want to do is, is teach people
who are native in their communities.
So to be the change agent facilitators, yeah, that's where
it's going to because I can't, you know, and people won't
accept, you know, as a facilitator, people will look at
you and they'll say, you know, who are you?
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And and it takes so much trust and time to build that
relationship where there's somebody already inside who's
already brilliant and just needsto have some extra tools to
support them through the transformation.
And I think having these access to these tools and you've made
it so easy and I know you're going to continue to evolve this
game because we've talked about that too.
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Like cards might change, we might target different and, you
know, more kids more this section, like there'll be an
evolution of this. And really for the for those
that are listening, my invite isto check it out for yourself,
like experience. Don't just listen to us talk
about this and, you know, get toknow Julie, get to know who she
is as if you play the game, givefeedback because the other piece
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of that too is it helps Julie continue to evolve the game.
And, you know, we are all on this journey together.
So it's I think that's the fun and play around this like what
you're creating. Yeah.
And a word on that, that play, Imean when it is play and when it
is fun, that's when that's when it's easier to open your heart,
have some joy and connect with others.
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So that's great. Yeah, I, I, like I said, this is
brilliant. I am so grateful for your
experiences that have led to thecreation of this, the weaving
and the blending of different modalities, but bringing
together as one, as as a tangible tool that we can take
in instead of just being this arbitrary mindfulness movement
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or just something like like you're really bringing this into
the tangible. So you are the creator.
Yeah, thank. You and a powerful creator at
that. So thank you for your gifts and
what you're sharing with us because this is really truly.
Brilliant, Katrina. I just absolutely love you.
You, you get it. You're just so thank.
I'm so grateful. It's a it's been my life's work,
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so I appreciate the recognition.Yeah, because it's brilliant
inside of this. So for the everyone that's
listening as an audience, you know, share this with another
woman, absolutely. Like invite somebody else to
listen to this. Get your girlfriends together
for a night, pop on that computer, play it together and
see what arises for you. Right.
One of the things I always say as women, we need that time with
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our girlfriends. We need time to reset for
ourselves. Play this game and then take it
back to. If you have a spouse or a
significant other, go play with them.
Right, right, right. There's so many things and then
yes, then there's the opportunity to say, well, how
would you bring this into the work environment?
How can I bring this into my communities?
How can I? And that is for those that feel
pulled to this, this might be something that resonates with
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you. So definitely, you know, in the
show notes down below, Julie will have, I will make sure all
this information is in there foryou.
Now, there is something that's really interesting that at the
time of this recording, ladies, it isn't yet available, but it's
in the works. But we're talking about this
because by the time you hear this, this is going to be at
play. So there's a quiz that you're
developing, right? Right.
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Talk to me about that. Yeah, I've had this quiz for
years and finally we're putting it online.
A very quick, fast way to figureout what's your dominant
element. And so when you find out what
your dominant element is and, and who you are as an actor in,
in your, the movement, then you can start to navigate a little
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bit more and know when you get stuck in your dominant.
For instance, I'm, I'm a very watery person.
I feel the water, I feel the bigpicture, but I can get stuck in
it and swirl and the that. It can cause some wishy
washyness and not direction, so I've learned the hard way how to
move things. So is that part of, I guess the
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astrology, like understanding your sign too, Is that kind of
at play within this game? Yeah, it's, I mean, I, it's not
directly related to astrology and there's usually just four
elements, but these are the five.
Yeah, Chinese 5. If you do anything in
acupuncture, if you do anything in in Feng Shui, they'll they'll
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be some relatedness to that. But what I've done is taken it
to what your actions are as a asa person in this world, how you
act. Are you a cultivator?
Are you an evaluator? Are you a generator?
Are you a director? Or are you an engager And you
are in a gay engager. I love it.
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Yes, I OK, so this is my guess. So again, there are levels of
awareness as you play this game is what I'm kind of even
hearing. So it's like you'll come in at
one level, you'll start to get asense of yourself.
You're going to start raising your vibration, your awareness
of self and what you're playing at.
So yes, take the quiz, right? Take the quiz, play the game and
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see what comes up for you. And if anything, I am a demand
that Julie eventually, at some point, sometime in line, bring
this game, bike, board game or card game into reality beyond
just the digital. Because I'd be super curious
what she creates around that. It might be a collaboration for
somebody that's listening. I don't know, but I want to
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throw it out there because I really think that this is
something that is super criticalin our world.
And the fact that you can blend this into your life as a woman,
as a business owner, as a friend, as a mother, there are
so many elements to this. So honestly, Julie, you're,
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yeah, you're a gift to the worldand that's what you've created
is an absolute. Pleasure.
Well, thank you. And and just that I've played it
with my grandkids quite a bit. So it's it's been fun.
You can pay with your grandkids,you can pay with your kids.
Get to know your kids a little better.
But you think? Absolutely know what's in their
hearts. Oh my goodness, it's so fun.
Yeah. If you want to know why you
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might be at odds with your child, it could be because
you're 2 opposing signs. But you haven't recognized that
yet, right? And so playing this game might
give you some insight into your children and how to best
communicate with them. Yeah, in a way that serves them,
not necessarily just. You.
Yeah, very well done. Oh, this is so brilliant.
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Well, I just want to say thank you for coming on and being on.
Did she really say that? Because ladies, if you were
listening, there's a lot of moments I'm thinking, did she
really say that? Did she really say that?
Because it is a blend and weave of what she's created and you
can really tell the passion if you've heard it in her voice.
So I'm just going to re enter itagain, Connect, follow, learn,
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implement, move. Thanks.
That's. All All right.
Well, Julie, this has been an absolute pleasure.
I'm, you know, I look forward tocollaborating with you in the
future. Stay tuned.
There might be some crazy thingsthat Julie and I do in the
future that you'll probably wantto be a part of, but I won't
give you the details yet. But there might be something
coming up in 2026 at the time ofthis that might actually be of
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interest to you. That's all I'm going to tease
you with. You're welcome.
And. Thank you for doing this.
Thank you. You're welcome.
Well, welcome back to this episode of Did She Really Say
That? I am your host Katrina Venatus
and also known as Chef Katrina. And we are in a joyous
conversation today in this episode.
And why do I say this? Because I have Julie joining us
talking about movement and mindfulness.
So now I think this is super, super important, especially for
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US women in business because oftentimes we don't think to
move. How many of you are sitting
behind a desk? How many do you get up?
How many of you are even aware of your surrounding half the
time or you're just going through your day, right?
So this conversation is going tobe an eye opener for you.
This I know because I've talked with Julie previously and what
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you're going to hear is really I, it's, it's exactly what you
need. And I love what she's done to
bring this into a more playful atmosphere.
And you're gonna hear about thistoo.
So who is this amazing individual?
So the move, she is the move as one founder.
She's a strategic management consultant.
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She's a mindfulness teacher and a whole systems facilitator who
developed the move as one system.
Now that is a brilliant name by the way, Julie, like I love that
on its own. She helps leaders and teams Co
create dynamic movement that is energizing, mutually aligned and
internally accountable or yeah, internally accountable and
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highly effective. So as a team, learning to move,
learning to be mindful of each other, I think this is one of
the biggest things we're missingfrom a lot of our corporate
training. And even as an entrepreneur,
move as one aligns insight and purpose while create Co creating
a new dance of interconnection, resulting in remarkable enhanced
performance. So think about from this
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perspective, but Julie's creating, what we're going to
talk about is that when you blend movement with mindfulness,
it has an impact in performance and in your overall business.
So if you're somebody that's looking to level up your
leadership, level up your team, whether you're an entrepreneur
with a small team or you're a corporation with a large team,
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this is something you want to do, right?
So Julie has over 30 years of experience defining business
strategies, driving growth and improving performance, and
facilitating changes for major organizations and entrepreneurs.
She's an accomplished professional ballroom dancer.
We have that in common. So I'm sighted.
So Move. Move as one was inspired by
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elements of a successful leadership and teamwork.
So alignment and engagement and synergy.
And I think when you talk about how people move on a dance
floor, that all comes together, right?
She. Has more than three decades of
management consulting with extensive studies in Eastern
practices. So she blends this all together.
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We're going to talk more about that.
She's highly accredited, she's worked with amazing clients, the
Mayo Healthcare, she has worked with GTS Educational events,
Lake Point Chiropractic, and this list goes on and on and on.
And I know, dear Lord, we're going to get done through all
this. But really, Julie, it is an
absolute honor to have you here on our episode and really
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talking about this. I'm grateful.
Thank you. Yeah, it's fun.
It's been, it's been a long journey.
And it has been this revealing process of what Move as One is.
And so I named it became Move asOne in 2000.
And I feel like I've been learning from it ever since.
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It's it's like my prayer to moveas one.
And and there's just been so many things that have come along
to support me on that journey and to integrate.
And so this synthesizing it all together into what we do in
life. You know how we move, what we're
what we're talking about, what we're dreaming in, what we're Co
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creating with others. That's the important part of
synthesizing it so we don't haveto take things apart, learn one,
one piece and say there, I've got it.
That's where we get stuck. It's always, it's a movement and
we are a movement and we're a movement of nature.
So yeah. And I find it's interesting.
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So, you know, when you talk about movement, a lot of people
don't recognize, and I think especially as human beings, that
movement is critical. It is actually what stimulates
creativity. It's what, you know, gets us out
and about. So like so many times we're
stuck behind the computer. And especially as women, when we
start getting into the world of business, we're we're really in
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front of our monitors a lot. We're in front of all this
digital technology. Sometimes we just need to
unplug. So you know what you're talking
about this development. So your background is in
consulting, working with businesses and teams, and yet
you felt pulled to create almostlike this mindfulness element
into it. So let's talk a little bit about
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that. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Because I was a consultant for Arthur Andersen, which was a, a
big deal at one point. And, and it was, you know,
these, these intense projects ofpulling people together.
And what I was seeing and learning was that people weren't
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always moving, changing their, their consciousness to expand.
And no matter how many processesor, or different approaches we
put into place, it just wouldn't, wouldn't maneuver.
And at the same time, I was going through a personal growth
experience and I was thrown intothese miracle of the breath
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trainings, mindfulness training.And it completely changed my
life. And I was so taken with it.
I was, I said to my parents, they said I need to quit
consulting and teach breathing. It was like, don't we all
breathe? And it was like, we're not
strategic, we're not conscious of it.
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And it's this powerful strategicpositioning of who we are.
And, and then after learning themiracle of the breath, I got
more involved in Qigong and moreEastern practices.
And then I started to ballroom dance.
And when I was dancing, I was incorporating the breath work,
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the Qigong, the mindfulness, theawareness and the synergy in, in
my dances was just really profound.
And, and I thought this is, and it was fun.
So it was like, how do I convey this even more into what I'm
doing with leaders and teams? And, and that's when Mobis one
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started to really get some form and some legs.
And, and I'll back it up. I was, I was facilitating and I,
I was facilitating these long process change, you know,
procedures and it became very clear to me was just simple five
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phase process. And that's what became the moves
process, the moves method. And, and so from there it
started to take on a lot more form, as you'll see behind me.
And I wanted, and I could see itso clearly.
And so when I would facilitate people, I'd see them make
shifts, I'd see the change in consciousness, I'd see the
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integration, the the wholeness, the unification and but I
couldn't convey it without having physical things.
Intangible to play like to, to make it a reality because
sometimes we, we innately feel it, but we're not like we don't
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see the tangible And I, we're insuch a place where we have to
feel, touch everything. So I can totally see that.
Right, right. The semantics, it's, it's, it's,
it's really getting it in your body, embodying it and feeling
that connection. And, and so that's what then I
started to will teach dance as part of that process of how to
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integrate it in your body. What are the mindful moves
needed? And, and then also get into
writing a book about it and thencreating the game.
And the game is really fascinating.
I've had it for 10 years now, playing it in different
situations and it helps people move so fast.
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So it's, and I call it year wisemoves.
And the point is that we all have been on a journey of
wisdom. We all have that wisdom.
We've had many, many introductions to many different
modalities, many practices. And so when we, so this is an
integration of a lot of different modalities and
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practices and you pick cards based on or it's, it's an online
digital program now and it will stimulate your wisdom and it
stimulates the wisdom that you need at that time for whatever
you're trying to change and and make changes.
Yeah. I'm going to stop you right here
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because I want to dive more intothis game also and I want to
just want to walk everybody that's listening through it.
So for ladies that are listening, I want you to kind of
step back first. So some of you might have heard
of breath work as if it's like something new.
So Julie, when you did your breath work, how long ago was
that? Yeah, it was.
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In 1995 and 1996 that I got certified and then I started to
host day breath workshops in my house and would clear out all
the furniture, bring people in and really saw some shifts.
But I realized I needed to integrate it more.
So yeah. So, and I just want to pause
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there because I want to just point to this that as women like
there are modalities that are coming back is what I would say,
right? So I wanted to have Julie
mention that she did this in the90s because we think it's like
something that's just happened after 2020.
Like this is all like new. What's interesting is it's been
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around, right? And so the.
The first modality for you was learning to breathe, and that is
such an important piece and I really want everybody, all the
women that are listening and thefew good men to hear that.
It is super important to recognize your breath, right?
So that was, I think, key numberone in this journey, right?
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Yeah. And thank you for pausing on
that because I always like to point out there, there's a
healing triangle and the triangle is integrating that
awareness of your breath with whatever the pain is and
whatever the body is. So you see all that you, you are
a witness to that integration. Because when we do have
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something painful happen, we usually separate ourselves from
our breath and our body. And that dissociation is what
causes us to get into a cycle of, of this regulation.
And we, we, we find ourselves distracted a lot.
It's almost. Like, and I will say too, for as
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women, we tend to have, we told us some traumatic experiences
that happened to us. And I think there's either ways
of shame or things that we've dealt with culturally that we
just kind of deal with. I think every time something
like that happens, we splinter ourselves.
Absolutely. What I like about what you're
saying is that when we work withour breath, we start to center
and pull ourselves back together.
We start healing those splinters.
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And I think that's an important piece in what we're going to
dive into around your game. Because what you have to
understand is that what Julie has really done is she's looked
at different modalities. And I think this is where women
are brilliant, including Julie. I'll put her at the top for this
because when we're able to pull different modalities and start
weaving them together, we truly create something new.
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And that is why I was so excitedto have Julie on this podcast
because I was like, you've literally brought in old what
seemingly seems new, but they'reall like ancient modalities.
That's when instead of separating them, because I feel
like so many times in our world,the men like to separate
everything because they can sellit better, right?
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Yep. Right as women, we start weaving
it back together because it's not meant to be separate.
It's meant to be part of a wholeprocess.
So I love because I wanted to stop you because I think you
talk about breath. Yeah.
We talk about like, working withteams and seeing those shifts,
right. Then you talk about movement
through ballroom dancing. So talk to me about your journey
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with ballroom dancing. Like, did you decide that one
day you were just going to go start taking ballroom classes?
Like what was your what was yourfirst like, time on on the dance
floor? Like when you stepped.
On. The first practice, let's start.
Let's let's dive into that a little bit.
Oh, that's so, that's so great. I wanted to comment on some of
those things of the integration and the ancient wisdom that this
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does come from and applaud you for, for bringing that out
because it is based on a lot of mindful Eastern wisdom that has
been around. But how do we make it relevant
for us now? And, and that's, that's a big
piece. So, so when I started to dance
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and I, it was right when I started to go off on my own, out
of a consulting company, into myown business, that I felt a
little bit alone, You know, I was alone on this journey.
And, and by the way, you know, this was right when mindfulness
was just starting to, to blossomin our culture.
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Yoga centers were not as prevalent as they are now.
They're all over the place. And so there, there was just
this big shift and but I was that I couldn't wait to spread
it. I couldn't wait to talk about
it. And and so anyway, ballroom
dance, I was able to get into that body experience and breathe
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and move and connect and feel that synergy that happens with
somebody. And I was, like I said, I just,
I, I had immediate experiences dancing with the professional
dancer. He became a very good friend.
He's still a very good friend. My first dance teacher, really
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bright from Yale and you know, was, was able to convey a lot of
what the dance structures were. And I was resistant to the
structures. I didn't want anything to kind
of impede or be told what to do.You know, it's kind of that
resistant, rebellious side of me.
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But I found that the more I cooperated with some of the
communication styles that was happening in my body with
another person's body, when I learned those structures, I
could then we could blossom together inside of it.
And that became part of understanding how the body
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moves, how we move together, andunderstanding that breath work
is moving through our whole system.
And the more that we open it up,this is not just a here, you
know, where we have shallow breathing.
Everything. Pressing it and This is why I
love that because the hands and the hand movement and expressing
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your arms, you can't just do that, you know, you have to
express it through your whole body and the extension of that
is an extension of your heart. And so that became this whole
hand, heart, hips, you know, integration of how do we
integrate our whole body in a movement and recognize the
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connection and the presence thathappens from that.
So I think it's really interesting.
So as a ballroom dancer myself, I did, I resisted a lot with
ballroom dancing. By the way, for those that are
listening, I repeat this to twirl.
In the very beginning, I wouldn't put my back to a guy to
save my life because I was too girly and I was like, I don't
twirl. Like, I actually said that to my
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instructor, right? And it was interesting because
that's on me. That was not feeling safe in my
own body. It wasn't.
It was a lot of my own limiting beliefs around myself.
So I always say this, ladies andgentlemen, because there's a
demand for men to learn to dance.
And I think what I love about the ballroom dancing in general
(16:59):
is that it is that subtle connection.
Yeah. If he moves his hand one way,
it's a signal to you, and your ability to recognize that signal
and express cross it through your body is something for the
female. And it always is interesting
when I worked with my dance partner too, he's like, I can't
move unless you move. Right, right.
(17:21):
Right. And vice versa, he can't move
unless I'm moving. So you learn that it is a
choreography of. It's a communication.
Yeah, it seems like the male is leading, but in reality a lot of
the times the female has got to accept.
Absolutely. And when you learn that
(17:41):
communication, I think it it bleeds into relationships.
It bleeds absolutely. And you start to see the world
around you vastly. I miss having like dancing be a
mandatory skill and I think every human being learn.
Well, and, and honestly, and what I'm trying to convey is you
don't have to learn ballroom Latin and swing to, you know,
(18:04):
but it's the movement with each other.
So how do we move with each other?
How do you learn? So one of the, one of the
coaches that we had, we had phenomenal coaching from some of
the pros. And this one coach said, Julie,
you're not, you're not opening up to your partner.
And it was a minor, minor tweak in my in my heart space, having
(18:28):
to open up my chest so that I was available, which felt very
vulnerable. You know, I was like having to
open up and feel this connectionwith somebody I wasn't too
comfortable with always, you know, and yet if I wasn't open,
there was no movement that couldbe.
It was a resistant movement. And so it wasn't singing.
(18:52):
And then the other thing about that lead follow, I call it
instead of lead follow, initiateand respond.
And this whole you initiate, yourespond and it comes back and
forth. It's this liquid movement of
who's leading and who's following and you know, yeah.
And it and it becomes that synergistic experience of
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there's almost like a greater force that comes in and moves
you both. So it's it's such.
A beautiful thing. And I think movement and dance
in general, I, I really would love for society to learn to
dance together. Like I feel like we all sit
there in our own little silos and just shake our bodies.
Yes, That is not like I feel like that's great if you're
(19:33):
trying to get some jitters out with the ideally being and
learning to be held and respected.
I think it's also a respect issue between men and women.
And that's right. In relationships, you learn to
respect space, understand where you know.
You learn boundaries too. When we always talk about we
need to set more boundaries. Go learn ballroom dancing and
you'll find out boundaries really quickly.
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That's right. And, and that's where the, the
opening, the shaping that the how do you hold and how do you
hold the shape? So when you start to get, you
know, I started to move into international dance styles and
that's even more refined. Everything is refined.
Your heel and the way that it moves, you know it was refined
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and how when you get that way then you become even more
sensitized to does my partner know how to lead in those ways
because. It is very respectful, it's very
sensitive. It's this, this moving as one
experience that's very delicate and that's true of all of us in
(20:35):
this world. How do we stay sensitive to the
connections we have? And you take that into the world
of business, you take that into the world of entrepreneurship,
you take that into the building your team.
You have to understand how you're responding to each one
another. You have to understand how you
move within the space and then then how are they responding?
And I think part of that is boththe non verbal and the
(20:57):
communication, which is what brings us into the game.
Right, right. So we talked about it's like
there's the subtleties of, of learning that silent language.
And I think as women, we are kind of got a leg up, especially
if you had children, because we've learned to listen to a cry
and distinguish a cry from each other, right?
We've learned to, to, to sense things that aren't spoken.
(21:19):
So there's a kind of an unfair advantage for in that in some
ways, right? But when you started bringing in
this, you know, move as one and you bring in this mindfulness,
the game really becomes important because in this
drawing of a card and moving through it and communicating it,
(21:40):
you really get a sense of understanding yourself and the
people you're working with. Right, right.
So much of our communication is,you know, they say even up to
90% is non verbal. So how to have that presence and
that connection that's non verbal, but then also to use the
(22:02):
communication in such a way thatyou're talking in healthy ways,
not in, in ways that are condemning or, or pointing
fingers or judging outside, because that's not how we're
going to make change. You know, that's the
mindfulness. So how do I understand myself?
How do I relate what, what's going on or sense what's going
(22:25):
on and then convey it? And, and believe me, I don't do
it well with my partner all the time because it just can get
really frustrating. But we do play the game.
We've we've, we're going throughsignificant change right now,
moving down to to Colorado from Minnesota.
And so we've been playing the game almost weekly because we've
got so much to convey to each other without doing it, doing it
(22:50):
in a healthy way and being able to say these words that that
come from your own heart and that are not condemning to
somebody, but just saying here'swhere I'm standing.
I think my favorite phrase is seek to understand as to be
understood. Right, right.
(23:11):
And I think. Yeah, seek to understand as to
be understood. And that's always kind of stuck
with me. It's like there's always common
ground for all of us. Yeah, right.
And so let's talk about the creation of this game.
So we have the idea we want to bring mindfulness and movement
like. And you brought it into a board
game, which is like, OK, like it's kind of kind of walk us
(23:35):
through that process as an entrepreneur.
What was that development for you?
I mean, were did you know how tocreate games?
Was that something new? For you, no, it for me and and
the reason I call it a game and I just played it last night was
because sometimes you I'm I'm trying to convey how again,
(23:56):
bring out your own wisdom. I don't want to have to, I don't
if I'm not always leading the, the breath or the movement or
let other people and it when they pick a card and it's
related to something they're wanting to move and it says,
last night it was like lead others in a breath meditation.
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And typically they won't do that.
They'll think, I can't do that. They're going to leave it out
for somebody else. But when they get pick the card
and they're at this table and they, they say, OK, let's let's
stop and breathe for a moment. Then they are much more embodied
with that experience. And that's the whole point or or
(24:41):
another is, you know, and they can be like charades, but act
out a person that you is a heroine to you or a hero to you.
And how would you act that person's inequalities?
So embodying some of that noticing the movements or
noticing or another card is, youknow, if I was, if I had to be
(25:03):
somebody, you know, the oppositeof who I am, what would that
look like? And so that's where it comes
into kind of a game of embodyingsome of these things and and
acting them out. And they're not all about within
a group. It's definitely within yourself.
(25:25):
You can stop, but you can pause,you can Draw Something, you can
pick up a game, you can look around the room, you can
identify a picture, something that's speaking to you.
And these are again, all different modalities that people
have taught. How did?
You come up with these cards, was it like because of what I'm
hearing like in your job, this is a lot of like really creative
(25:48):
thinking around the the of thesecards.
So like how did? Yeah, how did?
You come up with a of cards for this.
I'm AI think I'm a more of a generalist in that I love
studying and I love exploring. And so I've been on this journey
and the very first training I got at Arthur Andersen was
Leadership 2000 with psychologist, a man in Arizona
(26:12):
who studied rocks. And he talked about the, how our
creativity dies, you know, from age 5 on, because we've been
told no, no, no, no, so many times that it becomes, you know,
and, and however we're raised asfar as we have to play within
these lines or, you know, our creativity is, is not stimulated
(26:35):
or allowed or opened up. And so that was my first
introduction into how do we expand our creativity.
And it just the whole leadershipfacilitation is all based on,
you know, innovation and expanding our minds and thinking
outside the box. And so that, so I was
(26:58):
interested, but because of my own personal journey of having
trauma, I lost a baby, you know,in my first marriage that was
very traumatic. And that trauma was in my body
until I started to breathe. And once I started to breathe
and unwind it, I found out all the somatic experiences that
(27:21):
were so important for me to integrate into who I am.
And I still am very, I must sense I'm what I'm call a
sensitive empath. I can sense other people's pains
and it easily triggers somethingand I can feel it and it's like,
you know, breathing through thatone.
(27:42):
I just yeah, anyway, it's it's ait's I think we're all, we all
share breath. We all share this collective
experience. And so being we are all
triggered by each other in different ways.
So having that's part of the reason for the game as well is
to show that take care of your inner ecosystem and then you can
(28:07):
take care of the larger ecosystem.
So the game behind you, I know it's right behind you, I know
it's ply balancing there, There are 5, right?
What? What do each of those mean?
So what are the five colors? Yeah, so I talked about is the
energy. The reason it's called move is 1
system is that it integrates theenergy, the actions and the
(28:29):
awareness and the energy comes from and this came later, as I
said, it was integrated through,you know, more Eastern
techniques and and one of them is the five element E Chinese
wisdom on the five element system and how our nature is
constantly teaching us how to Cocreate and it teaches us how to
(28:53):
be in balance. And so this that whole system
just lit me up because I I was like, that's what I've been
teaching in the moves process and moves are the actions.
And so that's what that's what came first, and then the
awareness comes through as you start to work with this.
(29:14):
So the the elements are water feeds, water feeds the seeds,
the seeds grow up into trees. So the wood, the wood we use to
make fire, fire burns down and make and contributes back into
the earth and the earth we or our metal and they direct our
(29:36):
waterways. And so that whole cycle of the
system is a balanced system and and it keeps it in control too.
So for instance, if there's fire, you use water.
So that's how you balance these these opposing elements.
And what's fascinating about that is that there's
(29:59):
personalities, people have the personalities of these elements.
And when they're overused and they're stuck in one element,
they're not moving. They're not that movement of
nature. So how to learn to integrate all
those elements and to keep them moving.
And that's where the actions come in.
So the, the actions of the move processes, mapping where you're
(30:24):
at, you know, be, be present andbe clear, open to ideas,
possibilities, you know, this iswhere our bodies open up and we,
we feel a lot more and it can feel very watery, very
expansive. And then from that place emerges
some seedlings, you know, seeds that want to grow up and we
(30:47):
emerge a vision. And that's that very organic
process to getting clear on what's, what do we need?
What do we really want to create?
What's our real purpose here? And so that's the the wood we
and then we visualize that we get a clear direction and then
we move that into the fire and engage it.
(31:09):
So the actions are map, open, vision, engage, and then we
sustain it and we sustain it into practice.
I love what you've created like I've just because it is
definitely the the next level ofof thinking.
Thank you for leading this conversation in both mindfulness
(31:31):
and and taking advantage of breath work before it really
became a, you know, something that we adopted a mass adoption
of it. Right, right.
And so you kinda are the pioneer.
You're the pioneer woman behind the scenes.
So all of you listening, you're meeting a pioneer.
Someone's break broke through a lot of the things and through
her journey has really assimilated and brought it
(31:52):
together in a way that you todaycan take advantage of it, right?
So that's right. But this game I know is an
online version of this. I know that we talked about
that. So let's talk about there's two
things I had a question on. So there's the game is online.
When we draw the card, you talk about having an intention before
you draw. Let's talk about that a little
(32:13):
bit. Yeah, yes.
And it, and it can be, it's it'sfascinating.
I've played it both ways. Somebody comes in with an
intention or question or issue and they want, really want to
make some movement. And so they'll come in and then
it's very clear how to guide thequestions.
Whatever cards they pick, it's around that.
But sometimes people will just come in and start to play the
(32:35):
game. They're little, I don't know
what to do, But the intention will start to develop, you know,
the clarity will start to develop.
And I've also seen where somebody comes in with one idea
of what they're trying to solve,and it's clearly a whole.
Yeah. So out of the game, do you pick
(32:56):
like one from each of the five areas?
So you're so you are picking a card from each of the five areas
and then that is what you're at movement and mindfulness around.
Right. And and we do movement at each
different phase to to help with the transitions.
Does it need? To be guided by you?
Or can we just go online and do it ourselves like.
(33:18):
So the online game is has the movement, has the cards and it
picks from, you know, it's 150 different cards.
So all those different combinations that can come about
and that's yeah. So so people can self pace
themselves in in doing it online.
(33:38):
We are my my operations person is we're going to start doing
online game conversations that people can just TuneIn they can
get their own game set and we'llwe'll play it as a group.
They can contribute as they wantor they can be quiet and just
reflect. So that's what's coming very
(33:59):
soon. I love this because I feel like
it is a game. I will call it a game because of
the fact that I think we need more play in our lives.
Absolutely. Sometimes, yeah, we gotta have
games that we can play and well,it might have be very
purposeful, right? I think that's where I love what
you bring together because there's a mindfulness, there's a
purposefulness. And yet at the same time, I can
(34:21):
see while playing this and having that intention, I could
see laughter. I could see like an opening up.
I could see like a, a sense of getting to know the people
around you or learning more about yourself so that you when
you take this on, whether even if so, if you're an entrepreneur
that has like 1 other a person or you're doing this by
(34:42):
yourself, I do invite you to go online, play the game, find
somebody else, another female entrepreneur, somebody to play
this game with. Right, right, right, If you.
Have a small team and say you'relike maybe three or five of you
play this game together. I think you know, one of the
things that often is often miss as women as we build businesses
(35:02):
are those team building moments.So finding ways in which you can
blend this really powerful mindfulness move as one
movement. Yeah.
And bring that to your team, you're going to learn a lot
about each other. It might even point to different
strengths on your team that you weren't even aware of.
That's right. Yep.
Because you've. Seen that right, absolutely,
(35:25):
absolutely. And when and they start to
understand each other a lot more.
So this is, you know, when there's conflict, especially,
and there's, there's a, you know, combination of what those
personalities are and you can start to see what the, the
conflicts can be between different elements and people
and strength and elements. It just helps to open up the
(35:48):
understanding so much more. And, and there's, and then the
movement happens, you know, thenthey all get on board.
They, they're not resistant. You know, there's, there's a
flow, there's a flow that startsto happen.
I think I truly believe your game needs to be in probably
every corporate environment in the world.
(36:12):
And, and I'm trying to, what I want to do is, is teach people
who are native in their communities.
So to be the change agent facilitators, yeah, that's where
it's going to because I can't, you know, and people won't
accept, you know, as a facilitator, people will look at
you and they'll say, you know, who are you?
(36:32):
And and it takes so much trust and time to build that
relationship where there's somebody already inside who's
already brilliant and just needsto have some extra tools to
support them through the transformation.
And I think having these access to these tools and you've made
it so easy and I know you're going to continue to evolve this
game because we've talked about that too.
(36:53):
Like cards might change, we might target different and, you
know, more kids more this section, like there'll be an
evolution of this. And really for the for those
that are listening, my invite isto check it out for yourself,
like experience. Don't just listen to us talk
about this and, you know, get toknow Julie, get to know who she
is as if you play the game, givefeedback because the other piece
(37:17):
of that too is it helps Julie continue to evolve the game.
And, you know, we are all on this journey together.
So it's I think that's the fun and play around this like what
you're creating. Yeah.
And a word on that, that play, Imean when it is play and when it
is fun, that's when that's when it's easier to open your heart,
have some joy and connect with others.
(37:40):
So that's great. Yeah, I, I, like I said, this is
brilliant. I am so grateful for your
experiences that have led to thecreation of this, the weaving
and the blending of different modalities, but bringing
together as one, as as a tangible tool that we can take
in instead of just being this arbitrary mindfulness movement
(38:01):
or just something like like you're really bringing this into
the tangible. So you are the creator.
Yeah, thank. You and a powerful creator at
that. So thank you for your gifts and
what you're sharing with us because this is really truly.
Brilliant, Katrina. I just absolutely love you.
You, you get it. You're just so thank.
I'm so grateful. It's a it's been my life's work,
(38:23):
so I appreciate the recognition.Yeah, because it's brilliant
inside of this. So for the everyone that's
listening as an audience, you know, share this with another
woman, absolutely. Like invite somebody else to
listen to this. Get your girlfriends together
for a night, pop on that computer, play it together and
see what arises for you. Right.
One of the things I always say as women, we need that time with
(38:44):
our girlfriends. We need time to reset for
ourselves. Play this game and then take it
back to. If you have a spouse or a
significant other, go play with them.
Right, right, right. There's so many things and then
yes, then there's the opportunity to say, well, how
would you bring this into the work environment?
How can I bring this into my communities?
How can I? And that is for those that feel
pulled to this, this might be something that resonates with
(39:07):
you. So definitely, you know, in the
show notes down below, Julie will have, I will make sure all
this information is in there foryou.
Now, there is something that's really interesting that at the
time of this recording, ladies, it isn't yet available, but it's
in the works. But we're talking about this
because by the time you hear this, this is going to be at
play. So there's a quiz that you're
developing, right? Right.
(39:28):
Talk to me about that. Yeah, I've had this quiz for
years and finally we're putting it online.
A very quick, fast way to figureout what's your dominant
element. And so when you find out what
your dominant element is and, and who you are as an actor in,
in your, the movement, then you can start to navigate a little
(39:50):
bit more and know when you get stuck in your dominant.
For instance, I'm, I'm a very watery person.
I feel the water, I feel the bigpicture, but I can get stuck in
it and swirl and the that. It can cause some wishy
washyness and not direction, so I've learned the hard way how to
move things. So is that part of, I guess the
(40:16):
astrology, like understanding your sign too, Is that kind of
at play within this game? Yeah, it's, I mean, I, it's not
directly related to astrology and there's usually just four
elements, but these are the five.
Yeah, Chinese 5. If you do anything in
acupuncture, if you do anything in in Feng Shui, they'll they'll
(40:37):
be some relatedness to that. But what I've done is taken it
to what your actions are as a asa person in this world, how you
act. Are you a cultivator?
Are you an evaluator? Are you a generator?
Are you a director? Or are you an engager And you
are in a gay engager. I love it.
(41:02):
Yes, I OK, so this is my guess. So again, there are levels of
awareness as you play this game is what I'm kind of even
hearing. So it's like you'll come in at
one level, you'll start to get asense of yourself.
You're going to start raising your vibration, your awareness
of self and what you're playing at.
So yes, take the quiz, right? Take the quiz, play the game and
(41:22):
see what comes up for you. And if anything, I am a demand
that Julie eventually, at some point, sometime in line, bring
this game, bike, board game or card game into reality beyond
just the digital. Because I'd be super curious
what she creates around that. It might be a collaboration for
somebody that's listening. I don't know, but I want to
(41:43):
throw it out there because I really think that this is
something that is super criticalin our world.
And the fact that you can blend this into your life as a woman,
as a business owner, as a friend, as a mother, there are
so many elements to this. So honestly, Julie, you're,
(42:03):
yeah, you're a gift to the worldand that's what you've created
is an absolute. Pleasure.
Well, thank you. And and just that I've played it
with my grandkids quite a bit. So it's it's been fun.
You can pay with your grandkids,you can pay with your kids.
Get to know your kids a little better.
But you think? Absolutely know what's in their
hearts. Oh my goodness, it's so fun.
Yeah. If you want to know why you
(42:23):
might be at odds with your child, it could be because
you're 2 opposing signs. But you haven't recognized that
yet, right? And so playing this game might
give you some insight into your children and how to best
communicate with them. Yeah, in a way that serves them,
not necessarily just. You.
Yeah, very well done. Oh, this is so brilliant.
(42:44):
Well, I just want to say thank you for coming on and being on.
Did she really say that? Because ladies, if you were
listening, there's a lot of moments I'm thinking, did she
really say that? Did she really say that?
Because it is a blend and weave of what she's created and you
can really tell the passion if you've heard it in her voice.
So I'm just going to re enter itagain, Connect, follow, learn,
(43:08):
implement, move. Thanks.
That's. All All right.
Well, Julie, this has been an absolute pleasure.
I'm, you know, I look forward tocollaborating with you in the
future. Stay tuned.
There might be some crazy thingsthat Julie and I do in the
future that you'll probably wantto be a part of, but I won't
give you the details yet. But there might be something
coming up in 2026 at the time ofthis that might actually be of
(43:32):
interest to you. That's all I'm going to tease
you with. You're welcome.
And. Thank you for doing this.
Thank you. You're welcome.
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