December 19, 2025 • 55 mins
Episode Summary
Join host Katrina van Oudheusden as she dives into a lively and enriching conversation with Dorothy Rosen, co-founder of Women Belong—a community fostering generosity and meaningful connections for women. This episode delves into themes of belonging, leadership, and the unique dynamics within women-led communities and businesses.
Key Discussion Points
Introducing Dorothy Rosen: Learn about Dorothy’s journey and her inspiration for co-founding Women Belong, highlighting her vision for a supportive and authentic network for women.
Reframing Belonging: Explore the revolutionary idea that belonging is a choice and not contingent upon external validation. Dorothy shares her experiences of building spaces where women truly feel seen and valued.
Women in Leadership: Discuss how women can redefine leadership by promoting collaboration over competition, and valuing emotional expression in professional settings.
The Power of Words: A humorous yet serious reflection on reclaiming offensive words and redefining what it means to be a strong woman.
Building and Maintaining Communities: Insight into the intricacies of running Women Belong, from leadership structures to the importance of shared responsibility in nurturing community connections.
Facing and Resolving Conflicts: Katrina and Dorothy touch on the significance of addressing conflicts head-on in business partnerships, especially between women.
The Hero's Journey: Dorothy shares personal reflections on her transformative trip to Estes Park, paralleling her growth with the theme of a hero’s journey, as described by Joseph Campbell.
Guest Bio
Dorothy Rosen is a passionate community leader and co-founder of Women Belong. She is dedicated to empowering women to seek out and create spaces where they are rightfully seen and heard, advocating for an environment of mutual support and encouragement for professional women.
Recommended Resources & Links
Women Belong: Visit Women Belong for information on joining the community.
Books Mentioned: Louise Penny’s Detective Series featuring Three Pines, "The Lincoln Highway".
Joseph Campbell’s Work: Watch "Finding Joe" for insights on the Hero’s Journey.
This engaging episode challenges listeners to rethink traditional views on gender roles, leadership, and entrepreneurship. With humor and honesty, Katrina and Dorothy inspire women to claim their space and redefine success on their own terms. Tune in for more enlightening discussions on women's empowerment!
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About Your Host: Katrina van Oudheusden
Former Chef at Walt Disney World® Resort, Restaurateur, Speaker, and CEO of Truth Bomb Marketing. Katrina is a sought-after consultant for small business growth among female entrepreneurs.
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(00:00):
Well, welcome to this episode ofDid she really say that?
And I'm laughing already becauseI know exactly how this
conversation is going to go today because I'm here with
Dorothy and she's going to take us on an incredible journey of
this conversation. And I promise you, the two of us
talking and and sharing training, you're going to sit
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here and just you're going to want to hear this again, I
promise you. So who the heck is Dorothy?
So she's the Co founder. And I thought this was
absolutely brilliant of women belong.
Oh yes, I just said that she hascreated Co founded women belong,
a community built on generosity,support and ladies meaningful
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connections. You know, not this, oh, you're
just going to make me a buck or how can I sell you something
like that's not where she's at. With her signature chalks and
permission to prolong, she challenges the idea that
belonging is something to be earned and instead encourages
women to claim it for themselves.
That's so excited for this conversation.
(01:03):
So and not only do you claim it for yourself, but you extend it
to others. And we were just briefly talking
about how leadership changes forwomen and how we don't lead from
a space of, I want to tell you what to do, but really have a
space of like, how do we in our strengths elevate each other to
step the best way forward? So, Dorothy, thank you so much
(01:27):
for being a yes and joining us here on this episode.
Did she really say that? Because you know what?
Dorothy's going to say some stuff and you're going to be on
jaw on the ground, and she's probably going to, like, maybe
offend you. Yeah, even more So.
I love this already. So we're going to have some fun.
Did not fucking offend too many people.
Fuck it, whatever, you're going to have somebody be offended,
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they'll turn it off or skip it. They'll be fine.
They'll you know what, don't forget to put your big girl
panties on ladies. I fucking hate that.
What to say that put your big girl panties?
Yeah, What does that mean? Like, do I, do I not have to
have like big girl panties? Are you saying that I'm a child
all the time? I'm a little girl.
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What? I don't know exactly what it
means except that I think it always, what it infers to me is
that like, like you're acting. Yeah.
You're acting like a little girl, right?
You're acting. And.
And that's such bullshit. Like, part of it is living into
our emotions and our feelings, right?
(02:30):
Yeah. And we have been taught so well
how not to do that. Yeah, don't be emotional, don't
feel too much. Don't cry.
Don't you know everything? It's like the don't, don't,
don't, don't, don't. Don't be a crybaby.
Yeah, right. I'll give you something to cry
about. Oh, yeah, That was one of my
favorite ones. You're crying.
(02:50):
I'll give you something to cry about with the kid.
Thanks. Thanks a lot.
Yeah. So anyway, so we're, I'm just
thrilled to be here, Katrina, with you.
Yeah, let's let's talk about this.
Go ahead. Well, I just want to say we've
had, you know, we have pre conversations when you're doing
something like this and what I found I well, I fell in love
(03:11):
with you, right. I mean, it's like I couldn't
wait for today to happen becausethe conversation is always
spirited and and meaningful. So thank you.
Oh. Absolutely.
So let's start off with what hadyou create.
Women belong. So I think this is a really good
segue into a lot of what we're going to be talking about.
Ladies, we hear this. We belong at the table, we
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belong here. We belong there.
But there is this sense that it's more than just a position.
There's so much more to this conversation.
So how did you come up with thisbusiness?
So we were my business partner, Kate and I were in a different
networking organization and we felt that things had to be
(03:58):
different. There's of course a longer
story, and it's probably uglier than I'm painting it at the
moment that we had this epiphanyone day, but.
Oh, you weren't AB and I, and then you had this epiphany that
that sucked. Got it.
OK. It wasn't B and I, but it was
another one. And what we found was that our
values weren't aligned. And if your values aren't
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aligned and you're doing business with these people, it
really feels inauthentic. Yeah.
And like, how can I show up? How can I invite other women to
this space if I don't feel safe or feel like I'm seen for who I
am? And so Kate and I got together
and we saw so many people, womenshowing up, trying to fit into
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the molds that they thought theywere supposed to be in, and
entrepreneurs slugging it through and talking about KPIs
and talking about all this bullshit That was really not
necessarily about who they are today, who they want to be, how
they want to be seen, and the idea of having a permission to
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belong, right? How do I belong?
How do I create that sense of belonging?
And how do I go into spaces where I feel like I belong?
And then learning over time. Belonging is a decision and a
choice I make for me. Nobody gives me that invitation
to belong. I choose.
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It's it's not about asking permission for a seat at the
table. It's knowing the seats already
there for you and it's already yours for the taking.
Or pop your butt down. Or build another fucking table.
What? What?
Right, I can build another table.
Are you? Don't insane.
Don't bring a chair to a table that where it's broken already,
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you know, and where the space islimited.
And, and you know what? I love men.
I do, I really do. I'm in love with a man.
I gave birth to a man. I love men.
But they do manspread at the table, right?
And they do take over space. And I I truly believe that we
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need to have at least 30% of thepeople at the table, women, in
order for us to start shifting things to where they need to be.
I agree. I think as like as I've done
more networking, it's interesting when it's a group of
women that are there that show up early or are there first, the
conversation that takes place isvastly different.
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And then the moment a guy shows up and it's no disrespect to
men, but there's almost like this getting small because the
man has entered the room. And I think some of its
cultural, I think some of it is societal based.
I think some of it is upbringing.
And so when you're talking about30% of of the women being in
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those areas, in those places where it's predominantly been
male, there is a shift in the energy.
And even the guys respected, I've been hearing and doing
research that even boardrooms and board members are super
grateful and want more women in the boardrooms because they have
a curiosity. They're not posturing, right?
The guys are peek hustling like,hey, I don't you know, women are
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going in going, what the hell are you guys talking about?
Well, I think, you know, there'san organization called the 30%
Coalition, which I think is absolutely brilliant, that talks
about getting 30% of a board with women.
Got it. And you know, my theory is this,
that if there's one woman in theroom, she doesn't get hurt of a
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second woman is in the room, she's off there, often times
competing with each other ratherthan going for the community
good. And once you have three women in
there, you have enough heft, youhave enough breadth to go in and
wade in and to know that you're supported and then you can be
supported. You will be supported.
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And what they found is that if boards are 30% women, the
company is more profitable. Yeah.
And their employees stay there longer.
Go figure. It doesn't surprise me in a lot
of ways because I think as a woman we look for the
collaboration in a company, not the competition.
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I think when you have an all male driven top to bottom, it's
all about the competition. It's pushing each other for a
bottom line that constantly moves.
I don't know why it's called a bottom line 'cause that sucker
moves all the freaking time. Shifting sands, right?
Yeah, that is crazy. So if we're so women belong.
(08:44):
So what? So it's a company, It's a
community. What?
What else is it like in the world for you?
And what do you want it to be? Oh.
Well, I want us to go galactic. We're smarly, we're going
galactic, we're going to outer space and beyond.
We're going through dimensions in space and time travel.
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We're, we're taking this a wholenew level of awareness, yes.
I And I, when I say that, my butt cheeks clench a little bit,
right? I'm like, ah, what the hell does
that mean? But what it means is to keep
dreaming bigger, to think outside the box, to challenge
the mistaken rules and misinbeliefs that I might have
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about how we grow and who we are.
I do strongly, strongly, strongly feel that we are in a
time where the feminism, where the feminine, is on the rise.
I don't mean that that means that the masculine gets
completely superseded. Isn't that like the feminist
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movement where it felt like it was squashing the male like I
was trying to over dominate? It was.
It was kind of like the reverse.Side of that well, and the
feminist movement was, let's face it, also a largely white
women movement. And the rise of the feminine for
me, recognizes that both you andI have both feminine and
(10:13):
masculine values, traits. And they're really friggin just
human. Yeah.
But for some reason, we've had to say this is feminine and this
is masculine. But let's actually understand
that all of this stuff is about being human.
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But I think that, you know, I, I've been picturing it lately as
the Ying and the Yang, right? And that the what I, I don't
know which one is which. I think the Yang is male, but
let's say the. Yin is the female, Yang is the
male. The yin is actually what we've
been missing. The Yang is what we've been
gifted like. Gifted, right we've.
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We need to. We're missing.
We're missing the other side. Absolutely.
And so the Yang has just gotten so big and, you know, just like
all over here. And then Yang has been so like,
let's bring everything back intobalance because that's how we
win. Because they are great doers.
The masculine is a great do. And you've got a lot of
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masculine in you. I've got a lot of masculine in
me. I couldn't have survived in
corporate America and gotten to the levels that I did without
because that's how that's the only people who were moving
ahead were people with the Yang,right?
I remember and I think I may have told you this, that at 1.1
of my bosses said to me, you're the best, best relationship
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developer in our company. I grew our business to 60% of
the agency's business. OK, wow, ridiculous.
And can you just not, do you know, can you not build it so
much because the others are out of way?
I'm like, wait, why is that my problem number one, right.
But when someone said that to me, when, when the guy said that
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to me, I was like, oh, does thatmean I'm not strategic?
Does that mean that I'm not likeI'm not succeeding in their
world because I'm the best relationship manager because I
bring cake over to everybody's birthdays and make sure that our
clients are feeling seen and heard.
And that's why we're growing business because we're trusted,
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right? So that feminine value felt like
I felt like I was being dissed. I think he was actually
complimenting me. I didn't get that way right so.
It's crazy because the that is and I've talked with even women
in sales and I'm actually reallyimpressed.
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I talked with the gentleman. He says, you know, I love having
women in sales because I just tell him the time frame it needs
to get done. I don't have to sit there and
micromanage their everything. So this is one of those outlying
men that says like, I give womena project, I know it'll get
done. It's in the time frame it needs
to get done. If not, it'll be the better than
what I can ever figure out for myself.
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And they'll have relationships that come out of that, that help
grow the business. I don't just have to sit there
and manage everything they do. He's like, I love having women
in business. And he's one of the few that
I've come across that just had that kind of like insight into
like what you were talking about, that relationship piece,
that connection, that making the, the, the office feel like a
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safe place to come to, that you want to come into.
Otherwise it becomes this hate and distrust icky place to be.
And it's, and, you know, this masculine toxicity.
I just read an amazing book thathas this.
I'll have to send it to you, theexcerpt about masculine
toxicity. It's just I am finding more and
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more men who are saying that about women, though.
I was with a gentleman yesterdayand he's like, I want women to
just run all of this. Like, why aren't they running
the world? I'm like, yeah, that's a big
good question. Yeah.
I'm not sure that we want to runthe world.
We want to run it with you because I, I'm so good at being
or I'm getting better. I have to say I'm a master.
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I was a master at doing, but I am getting so much better at
being and creating and my guys do a great job of the doing.
Yeah, and I think that's the space we hold for each other,
right? Like it is 'cause you're right.
I mean, I hold the mask. I think let's go back into this
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one because this one always kindof was they're trying to define
masculine and feminine as like women are more feminine than
masculine and men are more masculine than feminine.
And that we and I was. But you said this, it's like
this feminine and masculine energy, it resides in everything
on this planet. It is not a human condition.
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It is a, we live on a planet with both masculine and energy
through the plants, through the water, through everything that
we are literally engaging with has it.
And we look at it as if it's a pussy or a Dick.
Straight up honesty right there.And I did say that by the way.
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Well I do hate it when people call someone else a pussy.
I'm like, God, they must be really strong, those.
Things. You have this, you're you do
have this one. This keeps coming up for me by
the way, every time. My meme, yes.
The Betty White meme, I know it's on your computer.
Can you like pull it up and justread it?
Because I think this is the bestthing and best quote from Betty
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White ever. And for those of you that are
listening, of course, this, thisis fantastic because this
reminds me every single day and every time I read a book or I
watch a movie and they always talk to him.
It's like, why don't you just grow a pair of balls or oh, you
got big kahunas or you're a ballsy chick and I then Dorothy
goes, Dorothy, did you see this?Don't.
Say that anymore. Yeah, I don't say that anymore.
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Like you want to reclaim your pussy, ladies, because this is
freaking awesome. So what, Betty White said.
Why do some people say grow someballs?
Balls are weak and sensitive. If you really want to get tough,
grow a vagina. Those things take a pounding.
She's awesome. I love Betty White, she holds
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nothing back. She the older she gets the wiser
and less filter she's got. I like keep going, girl.
Yeah, well, I she's past now, right?
She like I. I don't did she find like, you
know what, Because every year they always had like a Betty
White like past or something or she's past her birthday.
So I never could remember if shedid or didn't at this point.
There was so much I think she has, but that woman is fierce.
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She is fierce and so funny. And she would say things and you
were just, I I was watching a bunch of clips of her on YouTube
and I was just like, are you freaking kidding me?
What she got away with? Yeah, yeah.
And. I and I wanna be her.
You, yeah, you should embody Betty White completely 'cause
you have the, the ability to, I mean, you started off this
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conversation with fuck whatever we're doing on this thing,
right? And I think for for the women,
we, we have to take back our language, right?
Pussy is not a bad word. It's not.
It should not mean less than it shouldn't make you sound like if
a guy calls another guy a pussy,the guy should be jealous that
the guy got called a pussy because that's a positive
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statement according to Betty White, right?
Like, come on. Well, at the same thing with the
word bitch, I'm like, I want to reclaim the word bitch because
frankly, from my perspective, a bitch is a dog who protects her
young and those that she cares about in her territory.
And when we're called bitches, it's meant to demean us and we
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have to stop. You know, we have to stop and
and take in these microaggressions and understand
they are a microaggression. They are.
Right, it is a place for us to so pussy is 1 when someone else
calls and I'm gonna the word cunt, OK.
You say that you can say the word cunt.
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It is part of our language. It is part of our language and I
hate it when other people call awoman a cunt because it's for
me. It's like why are you having to
call a woman about an A a body part?
Right. Yeah.
I mean, I guess we do it with men when they.
We do call them a Dick occasionally.
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Like we're a Dick, we're a prick.
Yeah, yeah. But I just it's it, but it's the
meaning is so the way it's said is so mean and dismissive and I
think. The tone of it is vastly
different. Yeah, I think we should just, if
we want to call someone anythingbad, I think we should just call
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him an asshole. But assholes are important,
yeah? They get rid of waste, man they
got somebody's got to have them.Everybody's got one.
Maybe we should just call him. Hey, he's such a fucking nose.
I don't know what did. He call him, I'm just thinking
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of fuck, he's got a fucking nosehe's a fucking ear.
He's a fucking ear. It's like, what are you talking
about? Yeah, yeah, we're going to re
redesign the whole language for you.
But I think this is such an important conversation because
we do, as women even demean ourselves to each other.
Yeah, you didn't see this, but Dorothy just went like, yeah, we
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do. We we downplay each other in
such a derogatory, belittling way.
I think that for me is frustrating.
And to be an example of this, back in my culinary days I
actually disliked being an all female kitchen at the time.
Having an all female crew because we were pitted against
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each other in competition did become a very catty, little like
jabs here and there type of environment.
And so there was a sense for a while that I would prefer to
work with the majority of men because I didn't have that
cattiness. I think what's what's been
interesting though, is I attended another event and
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recently I was at a chef's gala and the head chef of the bakery
department was a female and her entire staff except for three
was all female. They all got along.
They all respected each other, they took care of each other,
put out incredible product. And that goes to show you, I
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think in some ways as a female, when you foster the female
relationship in a what perceivingly could be a male
dominant arena, they think you have the ability to really
change the dynamics of that. Absolutely.
I, you know, we have within women belong.
We have 7 guiding principles which I don't remember all of
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them, but one of them is goodwill, right?
Assume goodwill. And I think it's such an
important thing. And I think also that women were
taught, we were observing, right, how men were playing the
game. And it seemed, and men are
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incredible backbiters and incredible gossips.
They love to share shit about someone else.
And so we started to copy that because we thought that's the
way for us to move ahead or that's the way we're supposed to
be. And when we take ourselves back
and we ask the question, is thisthe choice I want to make?
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Is this how I want to show up? Is this the is, is this the
theater I want to develop? Is, you know, is this this the
soap opera I want to watch? No, no, it's not.
You know, it's how do I come together and work with someone
else and have compassion for them and, and build on each
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other's strengths? And I think that's for me,
that's the magic of my relationship with Kate.
Yeah, I couldn't ask for a Better Business partner.
And you guys met each other in different networks, kind of talk
to us. So let's have that little bit of
discussion too, because I know alot of women are solo
entrepreneurs or they're solo, you know, business owners.
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They're have this fear of working with somebody else.
They're definitely, you know, having another female.
You know, there's been so much propaganda around, you know,
that bitchiness between two women running a business kind of
a thing. What's what would be some of
your advice or insight since with working with Kate?
What have you learned about, youknow, running a business
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together? So when either of us gets the
Ooch, the Ooch, remember Fran Drescher from The Nanny?
She had the Ooch, right? And if you get the Ooch like
something's off or it doesn't feel good, we talk it out.
OK. That's the first thing.
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Conflict. Addressing conflict is an
incredibly important aspect of any relationship.
Kate and I have had differences of opinion, but we talk it out,
we work through it until we cometo a mutually agreeable point of
view. We had a situation yesterday
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where we were dealing with a change in a leadership of a
circle. And I suggested one thing and
she suggested another. And then I said, well, This is
why I'm thinking that. And she said, well, then This is
why I'm thinking that. And as we start working through
it, it's like, Oh, well, it became really clear about how we
were going to move forward because we allowed each other to
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have those conversation, that conversation.
And rather than saying, oh, fine, OK, whatever you want to
do. There's that fine word again.
Fine. Insecure, neurotic and
egotistical. That's what it stands for.
Say that again. That was brilliant.
I've not heard that yet, so fine.
This is from Louise Penny who writes the most amazing murder
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mysteries about a a small town and Three Pines up in Canada.
Somewhere that you has no Rd. signs to it and there is a poet
there. She must be like 95 years old.
Her name is Ruth Zardo and she has a duck that goes around
saying fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and her line is fine.
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Stands for fucked up, insecure, Neurotic, and Egotistical.
That sounds about right. Yeah, so.
I like that. Like 'cause is it?
Is it such a generalization is you're either fucked up or
egotistical? You're insecure about something
like there's no communication around the word fine.
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Well, 'cause you've, but you've just forced and shut down any
communication. Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
Yeah, no. It has tonality too.
How many ladies out there listening?
Fine has like different tonalities.
Oh, I'm fine, fine, fine. You know, it's got like
different tones for us and how we.
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We you've just had an argument with your spouse or your partner
and inside you're like, fine, just be that way.
Yep. Yeah.
So conflict resolution, the ability to communicate.
Always assuming goodwill from each other.
Always assuming goodwill, OK. Yeah, the goodwill is really a
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critical component because if you don't have goodwill, if you
don't think someone's operating from the best interest of the
organization or you, right. So we had, we had another
conversation. We have conversations all the
time. And I said, I want to, I want to
have a banner for my, a key. I've got a keynote speech coming
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up. I want a banner for it.
She's like, all right, good for you.
Let's go ahead and get one. I don't want a banner.
I don't care about a banner, butI can see why you would want
that. Fine, right?
Like the littlest shit, right. But she knew she knows where,
why I want to do what I'm doing and where I'm going with that.
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Yeah. And and it helps that we have we
have a 20 year age difference between us as well, so.
Why does a 20 age difference help like that?
Would seem like it would cause more conflict.
Oh no, because she sees me as aswise fairy godmother.
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OK. No, because we understand our
roles right? And she is.
She is where I was 20 years ago.She is in the act, the doing,
getting shit done, and I'm in. I am so working towards being in
the being cause for most of my life.
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I don't you know, I want to ask you this question.
Did you have you felt like part of your body your entire life or
have like, have you lifted your head or your heart or or your
body? Where have you lived in your
entire life? Do you feel?
So up until about four years ago, which led me on the journey
for this podcast in this companyTruth Bomb Marketing, it was all
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in my head. That was my one big relevation
like realization when I was talking with a business muse.
She got me because she asked me,well, have you consulted your
pussy? When I was talking about having
a business and growing it, And Ihad looked down and I was like,
what does that have to do with anything?
Yeah. And that's when I realized how
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disconnected every. Like I had shut down this
because I didn't want to be perceived as a woman.
Yeah. And so I went all up in my head.
But I felt so out of touch with my body.
And I think that was one of the most powerful and beautiful
things that continue to experience.
Like you talk about the creating, the becoming, the
empowering yourself as a being. Because I feel like we grew up
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as women having to be in this overly productive state of doing
instead of of living in our trueessence of creativity and being.
Amen, sister. I used to think of my inner
locus of control as being this. I don't know if I'd said this to
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you, but like Caesar's grape feet leaves, you know around
your head that it was just this like thin white disc that was my
inner locus of control. And what I've been working on
for many years is making sure it's a white column that goes
through my body, right, that encompasses all of my chakras
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that really helps me align with my body in a way that.
And so I think that Kate is in, she's just, she's in the doing
phase of her life. I'm in the being phase of my
life. Do you feel like you shift or at
least share with her kind of theexperience of gifting her the
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model of being so she gets to see what that's like instead of
constantly always being in the doing?
So I think that's for me, that would be the curiosity, as you
know, 20 years apart, because there is something she's
modeling from you as much as she's in the doing of what she
does. And I would hope that that
wisdom is going back and forth. I, I think absolutely.
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I think that there is, there's agreat respect for each of our
roles. I am appreciative of her role
and I believe she's appreciativeof mine.
You know, if we have a member that we need to speak with and
she's like, Dora, can you handlethis one?
I'm like, absolutely. I got, you know, And then there
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are others where I'm like, I, I'm not touching this one.
Nope. Yeah.
So in growing this business for women especially, you're talking
about women belong. So you're you're dealing with a
lot of women at different levels.
What does your business structure look like?
So there's you and Kate is the partnership which you've created
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and then underneath that, what is business?
What does the business model look like?
I don't even know how to answer that question.
OK. Because is it just strictly
community? Is there courses?
Is there events like I guess that would be kind of like, what
did you kind of create together in this Woman belong?
So, so the reason why I said I don't know how to answer is that
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from an infrastructure standpoint from I handle the
financials, she handles the marketing, right.
They're just the two of us running this whole thing.
That said, we have, we have a leadership teams for each we
have. So within Women Belong, it's a
membership organization and there are circles and we started
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off primarily in the Chicago area.
Then COVID hit. We were right before COVID, we
were in Asheville, NC, launchingin Asheville, NC.
COVID hit and we went from 50 meetings a month in person.
I only would go to four or six amonth, right?
But we had 50 meetings a month in person to 50 meetings a month
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online. So we curated every single one
of those calls. Wow.
Yeah. And in addition to that, on the
third Friday of every month, we have a lunch and learn.
Which is. Freedom members cost a minimal
amount for non members. Anything from CRM to scaling
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your business to AI to organization, all sorts of
things. Then we have bimonthly.
Wait, is that every other month?Is that bimonthly or?
Yes, bimonthly. We have introductions which are
opportunities for new members tocome together as well as with a
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long time members so that they can network just within the
Women Belong network. All right, so that's
introductions. And then we have a connections,
which is an online progressive networking, which is for members
and non members. That's every other month or so.
And then three times a year in the Chicago land area, we have
in person progressive networkingevents and then and then the
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circles meet. Each circle meets twice a month,
either the 1st and 3rd week or the second and 4th week, and
they're from 3 to 22 people in that circles.
Yeah. And you do you limit it to 23.
Is that the intent is that it stays kind of more intimate and.
Well. Relationship building like you
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can only build so many relationships.
Be honest. Yeah, it's absolutely
relationship building. And the idea is that the, that
the women are going to come together.
First of all, if you think abouttwice a month, that's 5026 weeks
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a, a year, right? Or yeah, 26 meetings.
And so we figure that there are going to be some for clothes
for, for holidays and that sort of thing.
That's why we came to 22, so that every woman would have an
opportunity to to to show up andto have and to share about their
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business and who they are. That's actually really smart on
how you kind of came up with that, that number and just in
terms of like valuing each person and their opportunity.
I hope you all ladies were taking lessons because she
really didn't say that. And it's brilliant.
And I want you to understand howbrilliant that that conclusion
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is because it wasn't some arbitrary number she came up
with. It wasn't say, oh, we're going
to have a pod of 50 or 25 just to have a number.
You can hear the thinking process of how do I respect
those in the community, right? How do I give the sense that
they can belong? And I think that's, you know,
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part of it. That's what we look for.
And I think as women, I want youto understand you don't have to
keep doing it the same way. You don't have to keep following
the construct which we've been gifted.
And I love that you're like putting out there a different
type of thinking. So thank you for that because I
that was a really that was insightful for me.
I hope ladies that you were listening.
It was insightful for you too. There's.
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Another thing that I think was differentiating we first of all,
any of the goals that we put in place are we don't look at it as
being punitive. We always are looking how to be
generous so that, for example, some, a member doesn't show up
for a while and you know, and somebody was like, she's not
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showing up. And I'm like, OK, so Kate and I
call this woman and she's well, I, I haven't been showing up
because I had a baby. You know, that's a really good
reason not to show up. And so we share that with our
leadership teams because each circle is run by a leadership
team and each leadership team isthree women.
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And why do we do three? We did 3 because we really
wanted to make sure that each woman was totally supported in
their role so that if they couldn't be there, another one
could. And so that, you know, we have
and we gave them weird names. Says I was because we couldn't.
There was no good names to give people to run these, you know,
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to run the circle. I didn't want to do manager,
dictator, director, the. Traditional hierarchy language
that's been gifting to us, yeah.Person, whatever.
So we have a diameter, a radius and a point.
Person because we have circles. Women, yeah.
And it's really when we come up with new levels, it's always
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about a point on a circle in some way.
But, and, you know, you and I were talking earlier a little
bit about how leadership now is a shared responsibility, not
only among those three, but the leadership training we did today
for our leaders was about sharedresponsibility and that every
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person in that circle has a responsibility to the circle to
lead, right. It's not up to the leaders to
invite people. It's not up to the leaders to do
all the work. Yeah.
It's interesting as you say thisand I'm kind of reflecting even
within my own, you know, business over here in truth Palm
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cause initially it started off with three of us as found as Co
founders and then it evolved. I brought in another lady that I
had been. I basically trained her in
social media back in the day. Like I brought her in and I was
like, here's what I know about social media and scheduling.
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Like can you help me figure thisout kind of a thing.
And she took it and she ran withit.
But what's been interesting is that once we lost, I don't like
lost wasn't a bad thing. Like there was no animosity.
There was no anything angst between one of our founding Co
founders saying, hey, this isn'tfor me.
This is not where I see my life going.
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And I'm so thankful she was strong enough in where who she
knew who she was to come and share that with me and that I
was in the space that says, you know what, you're right.
Like, I don't want to hold you here to get you to be part of
something that doesn't actually fit who you're becoming in the
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world. And so the letting the mutual,
like letting go of the of that, creating the safe space for both
of us to continue moving on the on the path and journey that we
were each meant to. And then for a brief time, we
came together, we learned from each other, we respected each
other. And then from there, we we've
separated well, but still maintain the friendship.
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And I think that's one thing when you look at as women
building businesses, we tend to think we have to sever the arm
if we don't align or something shifts and one of us wants to go
a different direction. I think as we get into this,
that's the evolution. That's that's compassion that is
like it's OK to move on and let people grow in their own ways.
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I would never want to hold on and make somebody smaller.
That was definitely one thing that came for me.
I would never want to hold on toher and make her smaller when
she really wanted to expand and it was just in a different way.
I love that, absolutely love that Katrina, because we we've
been talking about this too with, you know, in a membership
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organization, people come and people go.
I do and there was and one of myvery good friends was in one of
the circles and she was leaving and and somebody said something
and I would just like I had the lush that I had to say
something. And what I said was this, that
just because these people are leaving the circle.
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Doesn't mean they're out of our lives.
The relationships that and the connections that you have built
here should last a lifetime because of what you've shared
together. Because people swear in our
meetings, people cry in our meetings.
People tell horrific stories of,of what they've gone through in
their their lives and they've been vulnerable and authentic
(40:37):
and, and it's kind of odd when you think about it in terms of
a, a referral based networking group, right?
It's like, oh, we need to get the next realtor in here.
Well, OK, but that doesn't mean that the realtor who left
before. Shouldn't is out completely?
(40:57):
Yeah, right. And just because they're if,
even if they're not a part of the organization, and I say this
all the time to people like I, in some ways, of course I care
about the organization growing because I know it will.
But do I care if somebody joins or not?
Does that mean that I'm going tosupport them or not?
No, whether you join the organization or not, we're still
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going to be supporting you and talking to you because who knows
who needs you next, right? Or we can connect you to Yeah.
Yeah, I look at it for me, like even, you know, interviewing
you, it's like I know that this is that you are now on my
network. Like as things come up and I'm
finding myself more and more of that connector as I continue to
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talk to him, I'm like, oh, you need to go talk to this woman.
Like, oh, like there's this sense of a domino now.
It's like it's not just me. It's not this conceitedness that
this is my business, this is my community, that it's got to be
done my way or the highway. What I've really started to
learn is the expansion of allowing and, and receiving.
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Not even allowing, but even receiving the gifts of other
women and letting them touch my life at different points and
knowing that I've touched theirs.
And that, you know, there's always this one thing throughout
my whole life that always stuck with me is there are two paths
in the road. And at times there are there is
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multiple paths on the road. So like as you're walking along,
there might be a path that comesup beside you and then all of a
sudden joins yours. And that's a friendship that
could be an acquaintance, that could be a job that you're
currently in. That could be whatever it is.
And there are times as you continue to walk down your path
that those paths should veer off.
They go in their own journey andthere are other ones that come
and they just keep crossing overyour path.
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And I look at those as like, that's really what life is about
is like there are people that will walk the walk with you for
a very long time. And those are people like they
become your best friends. They get to know everything
about you. They become your significant
others. They they become your children.
They become like all these people that had walked on that
path. But at some point they are still
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walking their own path. They've touched yours, but it's
not your path that they're walking.
Oh, Katrina. Does that make sense?
So what did you hear? OK, so in Feb and we're going to
tell a little story if you don'tmind.
Oh. Absolutely.
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In February of 2021, I took myself to Estes Park, Co, where
my soul part of my soul lives rented a cabin on the river.
The river was frozen, of course,and I was.
I went there with the express purpose of deciding what my
(43:52):
hero's journey was going to be. OK, So then someone suggested
that I watch the Oh, I even knowwho it was.
Oh my God, I have to give her a call.
A woman suggested that I watch. I think it's called Finding
James or something. It's about no dad James.
(44:19):
What's his name? OK, Finding Joe.
Joseph Campbell. And so I listen to this stuff
around Joseph Campbell and the hero's journey.
And then I was reading a book called the Lincoln Highway.
And in the Lincoln Highway, there is an excerpt there that
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says if the the hero does not figure out that he's on a
journey, he doesn't start on thejourney with the purpose of
going on a journey and being a his hero's journey.
In the middle of the journey he,he's on, we find out that he's
on his journey. Yep.
And in the middle. In the middle, right, And then
(45:02):
there is another one who said the Knights of the Round Table,
when you do the, the arc of the of these, all these stories,
right, all these fables and all these stories, the arc is the
hero's journey, right? And so in the Knights of the
Round Table, then the Knights all enter the forest at a
(45:29):
different point. They all go on their separate
paths, which is what you're talking about.
So I'm, I'm there, I'm thinking about this.
I'm like, oh, well, what is this?
What is this for me? And all of a sudden I was there
were two incidents where I was kind of dizzy and Estes and I
came home and I thought I had made have COVID got tested, told
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was first told I had a urine infection, urinary tract
infection, which was not true, right?
Get my blood work back. And I'm like looking at my blood
work. And because my husband had been
sick for four years and and eventually passed away, I knew
how to read blood work and I waslike, oh, I'm fucked.
Why? Because my hemoglobin was below
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8 so. Hemoglobin not good.
Not good. So I had as I was looking at
this, I'm calling doctor's office and the doctor calls me
and says, have you ever considered going to the
hospital? So I'm like, OK, so I take
myself and I was talking to Kateand Kate's like, what are you
doing talking? And I said, well, after this
call, we'll do it. And she goes, no, you go now.
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And I went to the hospital and I'm sitting there in the
emergency room. I'm, I'm sitting there in the
emergency room and a chair that I had sat with and many times
with my husband. As we would go into the
emergency room, Scott, the triage nurse comes out.
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I live in Evanston. There are 80,100 thousand people
who live here so that the triagenurse, I would know his first
name is really bizarre, but he comes out and he starts asking
me and I'm like, hi Scott. You know, I go into the, I'm
pulled into the back. Angel, who is the nurse is
taking care of me. And as I'm lying there, I'm
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like, oh, I don't need to start my hero's journey.
I'm already on it. But the truth is that there's a
difference between the hero's journey and the heroine's
journey. And there are a number of
authors, John Perry, one of them, is among them, who talks
about the heroine's journey is the journey within.
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And that's what our journey is. I love that.
I love how you differentiate between the heroine journey and
the hero's journey. Yeah, 'cause it.
And I just got full chills when I just even said that out loud,
'cause I think so many times in the world of marketing, in the
world of business, we always talk about the hero journey and
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as women that are in business, the heroin journey.
Is different. It's different.
It's not about us going out and slaying the cyclops or being
wooed by the sirens or, or, or being caught on Searcy's Island
for a year, eating wonderful foods, right?
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It's really about us going inside and finding ourselves as
women and communing with other women.
Yeah, I agree. Like I was just thinking as
you're saying that, that the community of women is such a
critical piece, the wisdom from.And that's I think what I was
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kind of pointing to with you andKate, is that wisdom that's
shared generationally that oftentimes is missing in our in our
households here in the US, in our family structure.
And we see it in other cultures.But there is the essence of do
women come together generationally and just have
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wisdom talks? Why is it so hard to find quotes
by women? So why is it so hard that we
think every generation of women we're like, we have to do this
because we're not standing on the shoulders of the women who
came before. And why is that?
Because their voices. Were silenced, yeah, mic drop.
(49:47):
Yeah, it is. It is one interesting thing.
And I will say because we're going to continue this because
as I, I know this conversation is just profound for so many of
you that are listening because it's just hit me on so many
different levels as Dorothy and I've had this conversation.
And you know, I, I, the battle cry even for this podcast is the
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raising of women's voices. Because the thing for me is that
if we don't start talking to each other as women around
what's going on in our own bodies with what's going on in
our menstrual cycles, why we're feeling these certain ways or
our feelings that are happening,what our bodies are doing is the
changes that we have. If we're not able to openly
communicate that we're at a disservice to each other.
I think every woman should be a part of what you're doing,
(50:32):
including myself. So we got to figure out a way to
make all this happen, but you have APDF for really even how
to, because we did talk about conflict resolution, we talked
about conversation. So share a little bit about this
one pager that you've designed and created that you're gifting
our listeners here today, so. First of all, I want to say, you
(50:54):
know, to to connect with us, go to womenbelong.com.
It's kind of easy that way. Yeah, the links are going to be
done in your show notes here also.
So any of the links they have, ladies, it's going to be in the
show notes. You know the drill.
Show Notes, click Follow Stock. It's OK.
There you go. So this is A1 pager and it's a 1
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to 1 networking meeting form. And the idea is how to break the
ice, set the tone, you know, howto dig deeper, how to think
about your, what your business goals are with regard to this
conversation and to be curious, right?
And it's about first of all, obviously we want to understand
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the person's business and identify how we can support
them. But then it's really the
personal side. How can I build trust in a
stronger personal connection with you?
And then come up with your own collaboration goals.
You know, how can we work with somebody?
And I really challenge you all to to be with me in abundance.
(52:02):
Scarcity is what's been driving the chaos in the world these
days. There is abundance out there.
And my example of abundance would be just simply this, that
in women belong. There's not one person on my
block in Evanston, IL that is a member of Women Belong.
(52:23):
There are probably at least three or four who who should be
on, but none of them know what the fuck I do.
And that's just on my block. Like I'm not talking about
across the street. Yeah, I.
Yeah, right. And if we put our hands up, if
you put your hands up and you just feel somebody once did this
(52:45):
for me and I was like, Oh my God, feel all of the money that
is flowing through this world. And it's for us for to reach for
it. If money is the thing, but it's
it's not the thing. But that's just an example of
living in abundance. Yeah, you're surrounded by money
and ideas. And as a woman is a receiver,
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all you have to do is ask. And you can never ask too much
for what you want to receive in your life because here's what's
different around men and women. Women, when we receive, we
receive to give. When men like charge or take or
plunder, which is how they usually have gained riches, it's
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at the cost of somebody else. That doesn't inspire us as
women. And so when we look at what what
we're receiving in money and theimpact it's going to have in our
use and understanding of that money energy and money flow and
understanding the power we have to transform the money from a
(53:53):
aggression into an abundance that I think begins to shift
everything and how we view our lives, our business, our
friendships. It stops becoming about taking
and it starts coming becoming really about giving.
And it's about community, to your point, Katrina, right?
It's not about how we succeed asindividuals, but how we move
(54:15):
life forward for all. Agreed, right.
And we did that as a collective.We did that when women hold
hands and step forward together.So Yep, so welcome to to
stepping forward with us here inthis episode.
Thank you so much for jumping in.
For those that are watching their video, there was a little
(54:37):
bit of an A video with Dorothy, but trust me, her words of
wisdom, if you're listening are all you needed to hear.
So with that, thank you for joining us here on this today's
episode of did she really say that?
Because Dorothy drop some some mic drops and true thumbs along
the way and connect with her ground.
Download that PDF, follow in theshow notes, and we look forward
(55:01):
to seeing you on the next episode.
Bye everyone.
Well, welcome to this episode ofDid she really say that?
And I'm laughing already becauseI know exactly how this
conversation is going to go today because I'm here with
Dorothy and she's going to take us on an incredible journey of
this conversation. And I promise you, the two of us
talking and and sharing training, you're going to sit
(00:20):
here and just you're going to want to hear this again, I
promise you. So who the heck is Dorothy?
So she's the Co founder. And I thought this was
absolutely brilliant of women belong.
Oh yes, I just said that she hascreated Co founded women belong,
a community built on generosity,support and ladies meaningful
(00:41):
connections. You know, not this, oh, you're
just going to make me a buck or how can I sell you something
like that's not where she's at. With her signature chalks and
permission to prolong, she challenges the idea that
belonging is something to be earned and instead encourages
women to claim it for themselves.
That's so excited for this conversation.
(01:03):
So and not only do you claim it for yourself, but you extend it
to others. And we were just briefly talking
about how leadership changes forwomen and how we don't lead from
a space of, I want to tell you what to do, but really have a
space of like, how do we in our strengths elevate each other to
step the best way forward? So, Dorothy, thank you so much
(01:27):
for being a yes and joining us here on this episode.
Did she really say that? Because you know what?
Dorothy's going to say some stuff and you're going to be on
jaw on the ground, and she's probably going to, like, maybe
offend you. Yeah, even more So.
I love this already. So we're going to have some fun.
Did not fucking offend too many people.
Fuck it, whatever, you're going to have somebody be offended,
(01:48):
they'll turn it off or skip it. They'll be fine.
They'll you know what, don't forget to put your big girl
panties on ladies. I fucking hate that.
What to say that put your big girl panties?
Yeah, What does that mean? Like, do I, do I not have to
have like big girl panties? Are you saying that I'm a child
all the time? I'm a little girl.
(02:09):
What? I don't know exactly what it
means except that I think it always, what it infers to me is
that like, like you're acting. Yeah.
You're acting like a little girl, right?
You're acting. And.
And that's such bullshit. Like, part of it is living into
our emotions and our feelings, right?
(02:30):
Yeah. And we have been taught so well
how not to do that. Yeah, don't be emotional, don't
feel too much. Don't cry.
Don't you know everything? It's like the don't, don't,
don't, don't, don't. Don't be a crybaby.
Yeah, right. I'll give you something to cry
about. Oh, yeah, That was one of my
favorite ones. You're crying.
(02:50):
I'll give you something to cry about with the kid.
Thanks. Thanks a lot.
Yeah. So anyway, so we're, I'm just
thrilled to be here, Katrina, with you.
Yeah, let's let's talk about this.
Go ahead. Well, I just want to say we've
had, you know, we have pre conversations when you're doing
something like this and what I found I well, I fell in love
(03:11):
with you, right. I mean, it's like I couldn't
wait for today to happen becausethe conversation is always
spirited and and meaningful. So thank you.
Oh. Absolutely.
So let's start off with what hadyou create.
Women belong. So I think this is a really good
segue into a lot of what we're going to be talking about.
Ladies, we hear this. We belong at the table, we
(03:35):
belong here. We belong there.
But there is this sense that it's more than just a position.
There's so much more to this conversation.
So how did you come up with thisbusiness?
So we were my business partner, Kate and I were in a different
networking organization and we felt that things had to be
(03:58):
different. There's of course a longer
story, and it's probably uglier than I'm painting it at the
moment that we had this epiphanyone day, but.
Oh, you weren't AB and I, and then you had this epiphany that
that sucked. Got it.
OK. It wasn't B and I, but it was
another one. And what we found was that our
values weren't aligned. And if your values aren't
(04:18):
aligned and you're doing business with these people, it
really feels inauthentic. Yeah.
And like, how can I show up? How can I invite other women to
this space if I don't feel safe or feel like I'm seen for who I
am? And so Kate and I got together
and we saw so many people, womenshowing up, trying to fit into
(04:41):
the molds that they thought theywere supposed to be in, and
entrepreneurs slugging it through and talking about KPIs
and talking about all this bullshit That was really not
necessarily about who they are today, who they want to be, how
they want to be seen, and the idea of having a permission to
(05:04):
belong, right? How do I belong?
How do I create that sense of belonging?
And how do I go into spaces where I feel like I belong?
And then learning over time. Belonging is a decision and a
choice I make for me. Nobody gives me that invitation
to belong. I choose.
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It's it's not about asking permission for a seat at the
table. It's knowing the seats already
there for you and it's already yours for the taking.
Or pop your butt down. Or build another fucking table.
What? What?
Right, I can build another table.
Are you? Don't insane.
Don't bring a chair to a table that where it's broken already,
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you know, and where the space islimited.
And, and you know what? I love men.
I do, I really do. I'm in love with a man.
I gave birth to a man. I love men.
But they do manspread at the table, right?
And they do take over space. And I I truly believe that we
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need to have at least 30% of thepeople at the table, women, in
order for us to start shifting things to where they need to be.
I agree. I think as like as I've done
more networking, it's interesting when it's a group of
women that are there that show up early or are there first, the
conversation that takes place isvastly different.
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And then the moment a guy shows up and it's no disrespect to
men, but there's almost like this getting small because the
man has entered the room. And I think some of its
cultural, I think some of it is societal based.
I think some of it is upbringing.
And so when you're talking about30% of of the women being in
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those areas, in those places where it's predominantly been
male, there is a shift in the energy.
And even the guys respected, I've been hearing and doing
research that even boardrooms and board members are super
grateful and want more women in the boardrooms because they have
a curiosity. They're not posturing, right?
The guys are peek hustling like,hey, I don't you know, women are
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going in going, what the hell are you guys talking about?
Well, I think, you know, there'san organization called the 30%
Coalition, which I think is absolutely brilliant, that talks
about getting 30% of a board with women.
Got it. And you know, my theory is this,
that if there's one woman in theroom, she doesn't get hurt of a
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second woman is in the room, she's off there, often times
competing with each other ratherthan going for the community
good. And once you have three women in
there, you have enough heft, youhave enough breadth to go in and
wade in and to know that you're supported and then you can be
supported. You will be supported.
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And what they found is that if boards are 30% women, the
company is more profitable. Yeah.
And their employees stay there longer.
Go figure. It doesn't surprise me in a lot
of ways because I think as a woman we look for the
collaboration in a company, not the competition.
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I think when you have an all male driven top to bottom, it's
all about the competition. It's pushing each other for a
bottom line that constantly moves.
I don't know why it's called a bottom line 'cause that sucker
moves all the freaking time. Shifting sands, right?
Yeah, that is crazy. So if we're so women belong.
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So what? So it's a company, It's a
community. What?
What else is it like in the world for you?
And what do you want it to be? Oh.
Well, I want us to go galactic. We're smarly, we're going
galactic, we're going to outer space and beyond.
We're going through dimensions in space and time travel.
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We're, we're taking this a wholenew level of awareness, yes.
I And I, when I say that, my butt cheeks clench a little bit,
right? I'm like, ah, what the hell does
that mean? But what it means is to keep
dreaming bigger, to think outside the box, to challenge
the mistaken rules and misinbeliefs that I might have
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about how we grow and who we are.
I do strongly, strongly, strongly feel that we are in a
time where the feminism, where the feminine, is on the rise.
I don't mean that that means that the masculine gets
completely superseded. Isn't that like the feminist
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movement where it felt like it was squashing the male like I
was trying to over dominate? It was.
It was kind of like the reverse.Side of that well, and the
feminist movement was, let's face it, also a largely white
women movement. And the rise of the feminine for
me, recognizes that both you andI have both feminine and
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masculine values, traits. And they're really friggin just
human. Yeah.
But for some reason, we've had to say this is feminine and this
is masculine. But let's actually understand
that all of this stuff is about being human.
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But I think that, you know, I, I've been picturing it lately as
the Ying and the Yang, right? And that the what I, I don't
know which one is which. I think the Yang is male, but
let's say the. Yin is the female, Yang is the
male. The yin is actually what we've
been missing. The Yang is what we've been
gifted like. Gifted, right we've.
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We need to. We're missing.
We're missing the other side. Absolutely.
And so the Yang has just gotten so big and, you know, just like
all over here. And then Yang has been so like,
let's bring everything back intobalance because that's how we
win. Because they are great doers.
The masculine is a great do. And you've got a lot of
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masculine in you. I've got a lot of masculine in
me. I couldn't have survived in
corporate America and gotten to the levels that I did without
because that's how that's the only people who were moving
ahead were people with the Yang,right?
I remember and I think I may have told you this, that at 1.1
of my bosses said to me, you're the best, best relationship
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developer in our company. I grew our business to 60% of
the agency's business. OK, wow, ridiculous.
And can you just not, do you know, can you not build it so
much because the others are out of way?
I'm like, wait, why is that my problem number one, right.
But when someone said that to me, when, when the guy said that
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to me, I was like, oh, does thatmean I'm not strategic?
Does that mean that I'm not likeI'm not succeeding in their
world because I'm the best relationship manager because I
bring cake over to everybody's birthdays and make sure that our
clients are feeling seen and heard.
And that's why we're growing business because we're trusted,
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right? So that feminine value felt like
I felt like I was being dissed. I think he was actually
complimenting me. I didn't get that way right so.
It's crazy because the that is and I've talked with even women
in sales and I'm actually reallyimpressed.
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I talked with the gentleman. He says, you know, I love having
women in sales because I just tell him the time frame it needs
to get done. I don't have to sit there and
micromanage their everything. So this is one of those outlying
men that says like, I give womena project, I know it'll get
done. It's in the time frame it needs
to get done. If not, it'll be the better than
what I can ever figure out for myself.
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And they'll have relationships that come out of that, that help
grow the business. I don't just have to sit there
and manage everything they do. He's like, I love having women
in business. And he's one of the few that
I've come across that just had that kind of like insight into
like what you were talking about, that relationship piece,
that connection, that making the, the, the office feel like a
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safe place to come to, that you want to come into.
Otherwise it becomes this hate and distrust icky place to be.
And it's, and, you know, this masculine toxicity.
I just read an amazing book thathas this.
I'll have to send it to you, theexcerpt about masculine
toxicity. It's just I am finding more and
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more men who are saying that about women, though.
I was with a gentleman yesterdayand he's like, I want women to
just run all of this. Like, why aren't they running
the world? I'm like, yeah, that's a big
good question. Yeah.
I'm not sure that we want to runthe world.
We want to run it with you because I, I'm so good at being
or I'm getting better. I have to say I'm a master.
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I was a master at doing, but I am getting so much better at
being and creating and my guys do a great job of the doing.
Yeah, and I think that's the space we hold for each other,
right? Like it is 'cause you're right.
I mean, I hold the mask. I think let's go back into this
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one because this one always kindof was they're trying to define
masculine and feminine as like women are more feminine than
masculine and men are more masculine than feminine.
And that we and I was. But you said this, it's like
this feminine and masculine energy, it resides in everything
on this planet. It is not a human condition.
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It is a, we live on a planet with both masculine and energy
through the plants, through the water, through everything that
we are literally engaging with has it.
And we look at it as if it's a pussy or a Dick.
Straight up honesty right there.And I did say that by the way.
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Well I do hate it when people call someone else a pussy.
I'm like, God, they must be really strong, those.
Things. You have this, you're you do
have this one. This keeps coming up for me by
the way, every time. My meme, yes.
The Betty White meme, I know it's on your computer.
Can you like pull it up and justread it?
Because I think this is the bestthing and best quote from Betty
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White ever. And for those of you that are
listening, of course, this, thisis fantastic because this
reminds me every single day and every time I read a book or I
watch a movie and they always talk to him.
It's like, why don't you just grow a pair of balls or oh, you
got big kahunas or you're a ballsy chick and I then Dorothy
goes, Dorothy, did you see this?Don't.
Say that anymore. Yeah, I don't say that anymore.
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Like you want to reclaim your pussy, ladies, because this is
freaking awesome. So what, Betty White said.
Why do some people say grow someballs?
Balls are weak and sensitive. If you really want to get tough,
grow a vagina. Those things take a pounding.
She's awesome. I love Betty White, she holds
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nothing back. She the older she gets the wiser
and less filter she's got. I like keep going, girl.
Yeah, well, I she's past now, right?
She like I. I don't did she find like, you
know what, Because every year they always had like a Betty
White like past or something or she's past her birthday.
So I never could remember if shedid or didn't at this point.
There was so much I think she has, but that woman is fierce.
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She is fierce and so funny. And she would say things and you
were just, I I was watching a bunch of clips of her on YouTube
and I was just like, are you freaking kidding me?
What she got away with? Yeah, yeah.
And. I and I wanna be her.
You, yeah, you should embody Betty White completely 'cause
you have the, the ability to, I mean, you started off this
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conversation with fuck whatever we're doing on this thing,
right? And I think for for the women,
we, we have to take back our language, right?
Pussy is not a bad word. It's not.
It should not mean less than it shouldn't make you sound like if
a guy calls another guy a pussy,the guy should be jealous that
the guy got called a pussy because that's a positive
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statement according to Betty White, right?
Like, come on. Well, at the same thing with the
word bitch, I'm like, I want to reclaim the word bitch because
frankly, from my perspective, a bitch is a dog who protects her
young and those that she cares about in her territory.
And when we're called bitches, it's meant to demean us and we
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have to stop. You know, we have to stop and
and take in these microaggressions and understand
they are a microaggression. They are.
Right, it is a place for us to so pussy is 1 when someone else
calls and I'm gonna the word cunt, OK.
You say that you can say the word cunt.
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It is part of our language. It is part of our language and I
hate it when other people call awoman a cunt because it's for
me. It's like why are you having to
call a woman about an A a body part?
Right. Yeah.
I mean, I guess we do it with men when they.
We do call them a Dick occasionally.
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Like we're a Dick, we're a prick.
Yeah, yeah. But I just it's it, but it's the
meaning is so the way it's said is so mean and dismissive and I
think. The tone of it is vastly
different. Yeah, I think we should just, if
we want to call someone anythingbad, I think we should just call
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him an asshole. But assholes are important,
yeah? They get rid of waste, man they
got somebody's got to have them.Everybody's got one.
Maybe we should just call him. Hey, he's such a fucking nose.
I don't know what did. He call him, I'm just thinking
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of fuck, he's got a fucking nosehe's a fucking ear.
He's a fucking ear. It's like, what are you talking
about? Yeah, yeah, we're going to re
redesign the whole language for you.
But I think this is such an important conversation because
we do, as women even demean ourselves to each other.
Yeah, you didn't see this, but Dorothy just went like, yeah, we
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do. We we downplay each other in
such a derogatory, belittling way.
I think that for me is frustrating.
And to be an example of this, back in my culinary days I
actually disliked being an all female kitchen at the time.
Having an all female crew because we were pitted against
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each other in competition did become a very catty, little like
jabs here and there type of environment.
And so there was a sense for a while that I would prefer to
work with the majority of men because I didn't have that
cattiness. I think what's what's been
interesting though, is I attended another event and
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recently I was at a chef's gala and the head chef of the bakery
department was a female and her entire staff except for three
was all female. They all got along.
They all respected each other, they took care of each other,
put out incredible product. And that goes to show you, I
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think in some ways as a female, when you foster the female
relationship in a what perceivingly could be a male
dominant arena, they think you have the ability to really
change the dynamics of that. Absolutely.
I, you know, we have within women belong.
We have 7 guiding principles which I don't remember all of
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them, but one of them is goodwill, right?
Assume goodwill. And I think it's such an
important thing. And I think also that women were
taught, we were observing, right, how men were playing the
game. And it seemed, and men are
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incredible backbiters and incredible gossips.
They love to share shit about someone else.
And so we started to copy that because we thought that's the
way for us to move ahead or that's the way we're supposed to
be. And when we take ourselves back
and we ask the question, is thisthe choice I want to make?
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Is this how I want to show up? Is this the is, is this the
theater I want to develop? Is, you know, is this this the
soap opera I want to watch? No, no, it's not.
You know, it's how do I come together and work with someone
else and have compassion for them and, and build on each
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other's strengths? And I think that's for me,
that's the magic of my relationship with Kate.
Yeah, I couldn't ask for a Better Business partner.
And you guys met each other in different networks, kind of talk
to us. So let's have that little bit of
discussion too, because I know alot of women are solo
entrepreneurs or they're solo, you know, business owners.
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They're have this fear of working with somebody else.
They're definitely, you know, having another female.
You know, there's been so much propaganda around, you know,
that bitchiness between two women running a business kind of
a thing. What's what would be some of
your advice or insight since with working with Kate?
What have you learned about, youknow, running a business
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together? So when either of us gets the
Ooch, the Ooch, remember Fran Drescher from The Nanny?
She had the Ooch, right? And if you get the Ooch like
something's off or it doesn't feel good, we talk it out.
OK. That's the first thing.
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Conflict. Addressing conflict is an
incredibly important aspect of any relationship.
Kate and I have had differences of opinion, but we talk it out,
we work through it until we cometo a mutually agreeable point of
view. We had a situation yesterday
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where we were dealing with a change in a leadership of a
circle. And I suggested one thing and
she suggested another. And then I said, well, This is
why I'm thinking that. And she said, well, then This is
why I'm thinking that. And as we start working through
it, it's like, Oh, well, it became really clear about how we
were going to move forward because we allowed each other to
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have those conversation, that conversation.
And rather than saying, oh, fine, OK, whatever you want to
do. There's that fine word again.
Fine. Insecure, neurotic and
egotistical. That's what it stands for.
Say that again. That was brilliant.
I've not heard that yet, so fine.
This is from Louise Penny who writes the most amazing murder
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mysteries about a a small town and Three Pines up in Canada.
Somewhere that you has no Rd. signs to it and there is a poet
there. She must be like 95 years old.
Her name is Ruth Zardo and she has a duck that goes around
saying fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and her line is fine.
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Stands for fucked up, insecure, Neurotic, and Egotistical.
That sounds about right. Yeah, so.
I like that. Like 'cause is it?
Is it such a generalization is you're either fucked up or
egotistical? You're insecure about something
like there's no communication around the word fine.
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Well, 'cause you've, but you've just forced and shut down any
communication. Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
Yeah, no. It has tonality too.
How many ladies out there listening?
Fine has like different tonalities.
Oh, I'm fine, fine, fine. You know, it's got like
different tones for us and how we.
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We you've just had an argument with your spouse or your partner
and inside you're like, fine, just be that way.
Yep. Yeah.
So conflict resolution, the ability to communicate.
Always assuming goodwill from each other.
Always assuming goodwill, OK. Yeah, the goodwill is really a
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critical component because if you don't have goodwill, if you
don't think someone's operating from the best interest of the
organization or you, right. So we had, we had another
conversation. We have conversations all the
time. And I said, I want to, I want to
have a banner for my, a key. I've got a keynote speech coming
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up. I want a banner for it.
She's like, all right, good for you.
Let's go ahead and get one. I don't want a banner.
I don't care about a banner, butI can see why you would want
that. Fine, right?
Like the littlest shit, right. But she knew she knows where,
why I want to do what I'm doing and where I'm going with that.
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Yeah. And and it helps that we have we
have a 20 year age difference between us as well, so.
Why does a 20 age difference help like that?
Would seem like it would cause more conflict.
Oh no, because she sees me as aswise fairy godmother.
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OK. No, because we understand our
roles right? And she is.
She is where I was 20 years ago.She is in the act, the doing,
getting shit done, and I'm in. I am so working towards being in
the being cause for most of my life.
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I don't you know, I want to ask you this question.
Did you have you felt like part of your body your entire life or
have like, have you lifted your head or your heart or or your
body? Where have you lived in your
entire life? Do you feel?
So up until about four years ago, which led me on the journey
for this podcast in this companyTruth Bomb Marketing, it was all
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in my head. That was my one big relevation
like realization when I was talking with a business muse.
She got me because she asked me,well, have you consulted your
pussy? When I was talking about having
a business and growing it, And Ihad looked down and I was like,
what does that have to do with anything?
Yeah. And that's when I realized how
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disconnected every. Like I had shut down this
because I didn't want to be perceived as a woman.
Yeah. And so I went all up in my head.
But I felt so out of touch with my body.
And I think that was one of the most powerful and beautiful
things that continue to experience.
Like you talk about the creating, the becoming, the
empowering yourself as a being. Because I feel like we grew up
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as women having to be in this overly productive state of doing
instead of of living in our trueessence of creativity and being.
Amen, sister. I used to think of my inner
locus of control as being this. I don't know if I'd said this to
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you, but like Caesar's grape feet leaves, you know around
your head that it was just this like thin white disc that was my
inner locus of control. And what I've been working on
for many years is making sure it's a white column that goes
through my body, right, that encompasses all of my chakras
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that really helps me align with my body in a way that.
And so I think that Kate is in, she's just, she's in the doing
phase of her life. I'm in the being phase of my
life. Do you feel like you shift or at
least share with her kind of theexperience of gifting her the
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model of being so she gets to see what that's like instead of
constantly always being in the doing?
So I think that's for me, that would be the curiosity, as you
know, 20 years apart, because there is something she's
modeling from you as much as she's in the doing of what she
does. And I would hope that that
wisdom is going back and forth. I, I think absolutely.
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I think that there is, there's agreat respect for each of our
roles. I am appreciative of her role
and I believe she's appreciativeof mine.
You know, if we have a member that we need to speak with and
she's like, Dora, can you handlethis one?
I'm like, absolutely. I got, you know, And then there
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are others where I'm like, I, I'm not touching this one.
Nope. Yeah.
So in growing this business for women especially, you're talking
about women belong. So you're you're dealing with a
lot of women at different levels.
What does your business structure look like?
So there's you and Kate is the partnership which you've created
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and then underneath that, what is business?
What does the business model look like?
I don't even know how to answer that question.
OK. Because is it just strictly
community? Is there courses?
Is there events like I guess that would be kind of like, what
did you kind of create together in this Woman belong?
So, so the reason why I said I don't know how to answer is that
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from an infrastructure standpoint from I handle the
financials, she handles the marketing, right.
They're just the two of us running this whole thing.
That said, we have, we have a leadership teams for each we
have. So within Women Belong, it's a
membership organization and there are circles and we started
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off primarily in the Chicago area.
Then COVID hit. We were right before COVID, we
were in Asheville, NC, launchingin Asheville, NC.
COVID hit and we went from 50 meetings a month in person.
I only would go to four or six amonth, right?
But we had 50 meetings a month in person to 50 meetings a month
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online. So we curated every single one
of those calls. Wow.
Yeah. And in addition to that, on the
third Friday of every month, we have a lunch and learn.
Which is. Freedom members cost a minimal
amount for non members. Anything from CRM to scaling
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your business to AI to organization, all sorts of
things. Then we have bimonthly.
Wait, is that every other month?Is that bimonthly or?
Yes, bimonthly. We have introductions which are
opportunities for new members tocome together as well as with a
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long time members so that they can network just within the
Women Belong network. All right, so that's
introductions. And then we have a connections,
which is an online progressive networking, which is for members
and non members. That's every other month or so.
And then three times a year in the Chicago land area, we have
in person progressive networkingevents and then and then the
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circles meet. Each circle meets twice a month,
either the 1st and 3rd week or the second and 4th week, and
they're from 3 to 22 people in that circles.
Yeah. And you do you limit it to 23.
Is that the intent is that it stays kind of more intimate and.
Well. Relationship building like you
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can only build so many relationships.
Be honest. Yeah, it's absolutely
relationship building. And the idea is that the, that
the women are going to come together.
First of all, if you think abouttwice a month, that's 5026 weeks
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a, a year, right? Or yeah, 26 meetings.
And so we figure that there are going to be some for clothes
for, for holidays and that sort of thing.
That's why we came to 22, so that every woman would have an
opportunity to to to show up andto have and to share about their
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business and who they are. That's actually really smart on
how you kind of came up with that, that number and just in
terms of like valuing each person and their opportunity.
I hope you all ladies were taking lessons because she
really didn't say that. And it's brilliant.
And I want you to understand howbrilliant that that conclusion
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is because it wasn't some arbitrary number she came up
with. It wasn't say, oh, we're going
to have a pod of 50 or 25 just to have a number.
You can hear the thinking process of how do I respect
those in the community, right? How do I give the sense that
they can belong? And I think that's, you know,
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part of it. That's what we look for.
And I think as women, I want youto understand you don't have to
keep doing it the same way. You don't have to keep following
the construct which we've been gifted.
And I love that you're like putting out there a different
type of thinking. So thank you for that because I
that was a really that was insightful for me.
I hope ladies that you were listening.
It was insightful for you too. There's.
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Another thing that I think was differentiating we first of all,
any of the goals that we put in place are we don't look at it as
being punitive. We always are looking how to be
generous so that, for example, some, a member doesn't show up
for a while and you know, and somebody was like, she's not
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showing up. And I'm like, OK, so Kate and I
call this woman and she's well, I, I haven't been showing up
because I had a baby. You know, that's a really good
reason not to show up. And so we share that with our
leadership teams because each circle is run by a leadership
team and each leadership team isthree women.
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And why do we do three? We did 3 because we really
wanted to make sure that each woman was totally supported in
their role so that if they couldn't be there, another one
could. And so that, you know, we have
and we gave them weird names. Says I was because we couldn't.
There was no good names to give people to run these, you know,
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to run the circle. I didn't want to do manager,
dictator, director, the. Traditional hierarchy language
that's been gifting to us, yeah.Person, whatever.
So we have a diameter, a radius and a point.
Person because we have circles. Women, yeah.
And it's really when we come up with new levels, it's always
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about a point on a circle in some way.
But, and, you know, you and I were talking earlier a little
bit about how leadership now is a shared responsibility, not
only among those three, but the leadership training we did today
for our leaders was about sharedresponsibility and that every
(37:14):
person in that circle has a responsibility to the circle to
lead, right. It's not up to the leaders to
invite people. It's not up to the leaders to do
all the work. Yeah.
It's interesting as you say thisand I'm kind of reflecting even
within my own, you know, business over here in truth Palm
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cause initially it started off with three of us as found as Co
founders and then it evolved. I brought in another lady that I
had been. I basically trained her in
social media back in the day. Like I brought her in and I was
like, here's what I know about social media and scheduling.
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Like can you help me figure thisout kind of a thing.
And she took it and she ran withit.
But what's been interesting is that once we lost, I don't like
lost wasn't a bad thing. Like there was no animosity.
There was no anything angst between one of our founding Co
founders saying, hey, this isn'tfor me.
This is not where I see my life going.
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And I'm so thankful she was strong enough in where who she
knew who she was to come and share that with me and that I
was in the space that says, you know what, you're right.
Like, I don't want to hold you here to get you to be part of
something that doesn't actually fit who you're becoming in the
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world. And so the letting the mutual,
like letting go of the of that, creating the safe space for both
of us to continue moving on the on the path and journey that we
were each meant to. And then for a brief time, we
came together, we learned from each other, we respected each
other. And then from there, we we've
separated well, but still maintain the friendship.
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And I think that's one thing when you look at as women
building businesses, we tend to think we have to sever the arm
if we don't align or something shifts and one of us wants to go
a different direction. I think as we get into this,
that's the evolution. That's that's compassion that is
like it's OK to move on and let people grow in their own ways.
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I would never want to hold on and make somebody smaller.
That was definitely one thing that came for me.
I would never want to hold on toher and make her smaller when
she really wanted to expand and it was just in a different way.
I love that, absolutely love that Katrina, because we we've
been talking about this too with, you know, in a membership
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organization, people come and people go.
I do and there was and one of myvery good friends was in one of
the circles and she was leaving and and somebody said something
and I would just like I had the lush that I had to say
something. And what I said was this, that
just because these people are leaving the circle.
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Doesn't mean they're out of our lives.
The relationships that and the connections that you have built
here should last a lifetime because of what you've shared
together. Because people swear in our
meetings, people cry in our meetings.
People tell horrific stories of,of what they've gone through in
their their lives and they've been vulnerable and authentic
(40:37):
and, and it's kind of odd when you think about it in terms of
a, a referral based networking group, right?
It's like, oh, we need to get the next realtor in here.
Well, OK, but that doesn't mean that the realtor who left
before. Shouldn't is out completely?
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Yeah, right. And just because they're if,
even if they're not a part of the organization, and I say this
all the time to people like I, in some ways, of course I care
about the organization growing because I know it will.
But do I care if somebody joins or not?
Does that mean that I'm going tosupport them or not?
No, whether you join the organization or not, we're still
(41:21):
going to be supporting you and talking to you because who knows
who needs you next, right? Or we can connect you to Yeah.
Yeah, I look at it for me, like even, you know, interviewing
you, it's like I know that this is that you are now on my
network. Like as things come up and I'm
finding myself more and more of that connector as I continue to
(41:45):
talk to him, I'm like, oh, you need to go talk to this woman.
Like, oh, like there's this sense of a domino now.
It's like it's not just me. It's not this conceitedness that
this is my business, this is my community, that it's got to be
done my way or the highway. What I've really started to
learn is the expansion of allowing and, and receiving.
(42:08):
Not even allowing, but even receiving the gifts of other
women and letting them touch my life at different points and
knowing that I've touched theirs.
And that, you know, there's always this one thing throughout
my whole life that always stuck with me is there are two paths
in the road. And at times there are there is
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multiple paths on the road. So like as you're walking along,
there might be a path that comesup beside you and then all of a
sudden joins yours. And that's a friendship that
could be an acquaintance, that could be a job that you're
currently in. That could be whatever it is.
And there are times as you continue to walk down your path
that those paths should veer off.
They go in their own journey andthere are other ones that come
and they just keep crossing overyour path.
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And I look at those as like, that's really what life is about
is like there are people that will walk the walk with you for
a very long time. And those are people like they
become your best friends. They get to know everything
about you. They become your significant
others. They they become your children.
They become like all these people that had walked on that
path. But at some point they are still
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walking their own path. They've touched yours, but it's
not your path that they're walking.
Oh, Katrina. Does that make sense?
So what did you hear? OK, so in Feb and we're going to
tell a little story if you don'tmind.
Oh. Absolutely.
(43:31):
In February of 2021, I took myself to Estes Park, Co, where
my soul part of my soul lives rented a cabin on the river.
The river was frozen, of course,and I was.
I went there with the express purpose of deciding what my
(43:52):
hero's journey was going to be. OK, So then someone suggested
that I watch the Oh, I even knowwho it was.
Oh my God, I have to give her a call.
A woman suggested that I watch. I think it's called Finding
James or something. It's about no dad James.
(44:19):
What's his name? OK, Finding Joe.
Joseph Campbell. And so I listen to this stuff
around Joseph Campbell and the hero's journey.
And then I was reading a book called the Lincoln Highway.
And in the Lincoln Highway, there is an excerpt there that
(44:40):
says if the the hero does not figure out that he's on a
journey, he doesn't start on thejourney with the purpose of
going on a journey and being a his hero's journey.
In the middle of the journey he,he's on, we find out that he's
on his journey. Yep.
And in the middle. In the middle, right, And then
(45:02):
there is another one who said the Knights of the Round Table,
when you do the, the arc of the of these, all these stories,
right, all these fables and all these stories, the arc is the
hero's journey, right? And so in the Knights of the
Round Table, then the Knights all enter the forest at a
(45:29):
different point. They all go on their separate
paths, which is what you're talking about.
So I'm, I'm there, I'm thinking about this.
I'm like, oh, well, what is this?
What is this for me? And all of a sudden I was there
were two incidents where I was kind of dizzy and Estes and I
came home and I thought I had made have COVID got tested, told
(45:53):
was first told I had a urine infection, urinary tract
infection, which was not true, right?
Get my blood work back. And I'm like looking at my blood
work. And because my husband had been
sick for four years and and eventually passed away, I knew
how to read blood work and I waslike, oh, I'm fucked.
Why? Because my hemoglobin was below
(46:15):
8 so. Hemoglobin not good.
Not good. So I had as I was looking at
this, I'm calling doctor's office and the doctor calls me
and says, have you ever considered going to the
hospital? So I'm like, OK, so I take
myself and I was talking to Kateand Kate's like, what are you
doing talking? And I said, well, after this
call, we'll do it. And she goes, no, you go now.
(46:38):
And I went to the hospital and I'm sitting there in the
emergency room. I'm, I'm sitting there in the
emergency room and a chair that I had sat with and many times
with my husband. As we would go into the
emergency room, Scott, the triage nurse comes out.
(46:59):
I live in Evanston. There are 80,100 thousand people
who live here so that the triagenurse, I would know his first
name is really bizarre, but he comes out and he starts asking
me and I'm like, hi Scott. You know, I go into the, I'm
pulled into the back. Angel, who is the nurse is
taking care of me. And as I'm lying there, I'm
(47:20):
like, oh, I don't need to start my hero's journey.
I'm already on it. But the truth is that there's a
difference between the hero's journey and the heroine's
journey. And there are a number of
authors, John Perry, one of them, is among them, who talks
about the heroine's journey is the journey within.
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And that's what our journey is. I love that.
I love how you differentiate between the heroine journey and
the hero's journey. Yeah, 'cause it.
And I just got full chills when I just even said that out loud,
'cause I think so many times in the world of marketing, in the
world of business, we always talk about the hero journey and
(48:06):
as women that are in business, the heroin journey.
Is different. It's different.
It's not about us going out and slaying the cyclops or being
wooed by the sirens or, or, or being caught on Searcy's Island
for a year, eating wonderful foods, right?
(48:28):
It's really about us going inside and finding ourselves as
women and communing with other women.
Yeah, I agree. Like I was just thinking as
you're saying that, that the community of women is such a
critical piece, the wisdom from.And that's I think what I was
(48:52):
kind of pointing to with you andKate, is that wisdom that's
shared generationally that oftentimes is missing in our in our
households here in the US, in our family structure.
And we see it in other cultures.But there is the essence of do
women come together generationally and just have
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wisdom talks? Why is it so hard to find quotes
by women? So why is it so hard that we
think every generation of women we're like, we have to do this
because we're not standing on the shoulders of the women who
came before. And why is that?
Because their voices. Were silenced, yeah, mic drop.
(49:47):
Yeah, it is. It is one interesting thing.
And I will say because we're going to continue this because
as I, I know this conversation is just profound for so many of
you that are listening because it's just hit me on so many
different levels as Dorothy and I've had this conversation.
And you know, I, I, the battle cry even for this podcast is the
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raising of women's voices. Because the thing for me is that
if we don't start talking to each other as women around
what's going on in our own bodies with what's going on in
our menstrual cycles, why we're feeling these certain ways or
our feelings that are happening,what our bodies are doing is the
changes that we have. If we're not able to openly
communicate that we're at a disservice to each other.
I think every woman should be a part of what you're doing,
(50:32):
including myself. So we got to figure out a way to
make all this happen, but you have APDF for really even how
to, because we did talk about conflict resolution, we talked
about conversation. So share a little bit about this
one pager that you've designed and created that you're gifting
our listeners here today, so. First of all, I want to say, you
(50:54):
know, to to connect with us, go to womenbelong.com.
It's kind of easy that way. Yeah, the links are going to be
done in your show notes here also.
So any of the links they have, ladies, it's going to be in the
show notes. You know the drill.
Show Notes, click Follow Stock. It's OK.
There you go. So this is A1 pager and it's a 1
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to 1 networking meeting form. And the idea is how to break the
ice, set the tone, you know, howto dig deeper, how to think
about your, what your business goals are with regard to this
conversation and to be curious, right?
And it's about first of all, obviously we want to understand
(51:38):
the person's business and identify how we can support
them. But then it's really the
personal side. How can I build trust in a
stronger personal connection with you?
And then come up with your own collaboration goals.
You know, how can we work with somebody?
And I really challenge you all to to be with me in abundance.
(52:02):
Scarcity is what's been driving the chaos in the world these
days. There is abundance out there.
And my example of abundance would be just simply this, that
in women belong. There's not one person on my
block in Evanston, IL that is a member of Women Belong.
(52:23):
There are probably at least three or four who who should be
on, but none of them know what the fuck I do.
And that's just on my block. Like I'm not talking about
across the street. Yeah, I.
Yeah, right. And if we put our hands up, if
you put your hands up and you just feel somebody once did this
(52:45):
for me and I was like, Oh my God, feel all of the money that
is flowing through this world. And it's for us for to reach for
it. If money is the thing, but it's
it's not the thing. But that's just an example of
living in abundance. Yeah, you're surrounded by money
and ideas. And as a woman is a receiver,
(53:06):
all you have to do is ask. And you can never ask too much
for what you want to receive in your life because here's what's
different around men and women. Women, when we receive, we
receive to give. When men like charge or take or
plunder, which is how they usually have gained riches, it's
(53:29):
at the cost of somebody else. That doesn't inspire us as
women. And so when we look at what what
we're receiving in money and theimpact it's going to have in our
use and understanding of that money energy and money flow and
understanding the power we have to transform the money from a
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aggression into an abundance that I think begins to shift
everything and how we view our lives, our business, our
friendships. It stops becoming about taking
and it starts coming becoming really about giving.
And it's about community, to your point, Katrina, right?
It's not about how we succeed asindividuals, but how we move
(54:15):
life forward for all. Agreed, right.
And we did that as a collective.We did that when women hold
hands and step forward together.So Yep, so welcome to to
stepping forward with us here inthis episode.
Thank you so much for jumping in.
For those that are watching their video, there was a little
(54:37):
bit of an A video with Dorothy, but trust me, her words of
wisdom, if you're listening are all you needed to hear.
So with that, thank you for joining us here on this today's
episode of did she really say that?
Because Dorothy drop some some mic drops and true thumbs along
the way and connect with her ground.
Download that PDF, follow in theshow notes, and we look forward
(55:01):
to seeing you on the next episode.
Bye everyone.
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