Christine Lozada's Journey to Everyday Badassery - Leaving Corporate Life to Show us the World! - Did We Just Become Best Friends?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did we just become best friends, Christine Lozada.
I think, that might be the case.
I am so excited you're heretoday.
I couldn't be more thrilled torecord this podcast.
I am so excited to tell mylisteners how much you have
inspired me to get my arse mybadassery arse in gear to be

(00:24):
more consistent with mypodcasting.
But first of all, how we haveto start off.
I always start every episodewith how we met.
So, in our case, we actually didmeet, because sometimes my
guests I've never met before andthen we're online together.
It's the first time we've everinteracted, so it's so exciting.
We were on the Virgin Voyagescruise this should not come as a

(00:44):
surprise to anybody who followsyou and I'm sitting in the wake
.
No, I lied, pink agave.
I'm sitting at our table in pinkagave, and I see this gorgeous
woman and her handsome companion, who the world has come to know
as Meeple.
But I see you with this 360camera in your hand and I'm like

(01:09):
, what is she doing with a 360stick camera?
And I'm like and I think I saidsomething to the effect of like
, are you a content creator orsomething Like, is that a 360 in
your hand?
And then, of course, we juststarted talking.
I don't know if you fullyremember.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I absolutely remember why Because I have to edit out
every single 360 shot.
So I've relived that momentmany times at different angles.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I love it.
And then you're like I'll takeour picture.
And then my husband was like,oh, where's our picture?
And I'm like, well, we looklike little specks, little beans
, but we're there in therestaurant.
And it was just funny becausein my line of work, I obviously
work in a high school and mostpeople know, and I teach TV
production and broadcastjournalism, but the kids do it

(01:54):
all.
So a lot of times I don't haveto know everything they do.
They go on YouTube, they trainthemselves.
They're amazing, right.
It's like the school of YouTubeuniversity.
And so I go okay, this isreally cool, I've seen people
use it.
I go I'm going to buy one, butyou guys got to go figure out
how to use it.
I don't want to know about it,I'm overwhelmed, right.

(02:16):
So I still don't know how touse it, by the way, but I want
to, I want to learn.
So you inspire me on the daily.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I love that it's.
It's not a camera to learn, butit's a very fun one to use once
you get it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I know, and so then we're sitting there at dinner
and we're chit-chatting, andthen, of course, you said follow
me on YouTube.
Like you can, you know, stayconnected on the YouTube, which,
for people who don't know yetwhat is your YouTube channel,
it'll appear in the show notestoo, because I have the co-host,
ai, doing all my transcriptionfor me.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
My YouTube channel name is where in the world is CL
, but it's youtubecom slashChristine Lozada, and that's
where my travel YouTube channelis at.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I noticed also today when I was looking at it,
that you have a drone channel aswell.
I do so first of all, you alsohave a podcast, and what is the
name of your podcast for peoplewho want to listen to that?

Speaker 2 (03:15):
My podcast is Everyday Badassery, which is a
set of travel stories that areinspiring people to be 1% more
badass today than they wereyesterday.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I love that so much and now that we've got all the
plugs out of the way becauseit'll, it'll appear nicely for
me.
Um, I first of all also veryimpressed with your drone skills
, because that's another thing Ialso have in my studio is a
drone that I do not know how touse and the kids do it all love.
Like it's a student-runproduction.
I don't need to know about it,but I have to tell you, whatever

(03:47):
you post a reel or anythingwith your drone photography, I
am mesmerized.
It just takes me to anotherplace and I'm like, oh my god, I
want to go there, and I thinkthat's kind of the purpose,
right, you're showing us placesin the world that we may never
experience.
Well, think about us astravelers.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Why do we sit in the window seat of an airplane?
Why do we bother hiking to thetop of the mountain?
Why do we pay $25 for thecocktail on a New York City
rooftop?
It's all for the view, and now,with a push of a button, you
can do that.
But there's no better shot thatestablishes and storytells
about a place that you're inthan a bird's eye view, and

(04:31):
drones just make that way toofun and way too easy.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
It is unbelievable.
I love that you just said that,because you're right.
I went to the top of the EmpireState Building Even if I had a
fear of heights.
I would want to see thisbeautiful city in all its glory,
exactly, okay.
So I want to talk about Virginvoyages a little bit, because I
think it is probably one of yourfavorite topics, right?

(04:56):
I?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
love.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Virgin voyages.
I got off that cruise and I andI did a whole podcast about it.
I literally have an episodewhere I just talked about
everything I loved about it.
I literally have an episodewhere I just talked about
everything that I loved about itand I couldn't wait to get back
on that ship.
And then, when I realized youactually frequent that ship on
the regular as a creator, canyou talk to me?

(05:18):
And if I ask you anything thatis inappropriate or it's too
personal, we can edit it out.
But can you talk to me aboutyour relationship with Virgin
Voyages and how that came about?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, that's a.
It's a good question.
A lot of people ask me that,and when I first experienced
Virgin Voyages, it was just as anormal sailor, trying them out
for the first time, reallyintrigued by the.
They sailed differently, andthat was in early 2022, when it
was still people were wearingmasks, required to wear masks on

(05:49):
board, you had to have yourCOVID test before you came on,
and it was.
It was a different experiencethan it is now, obviously
because there were fewer peopleand lots of restrictions, but on
that first sailing, Iabsolutely fell in love.
I fell in love with theexperience for all the reasons
you talked about on the episodethat I listened to and what I

(06:11):
realized was I needed to be onVirgin Voyages a lot, and so, as
a content creator, I went downthe what I'll call a traditional
route, which is as a travelinfluencer.
How can you work with VirginVoyages and their marketing team
to be able to create contentthat lives on your channels,

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promoting them, and also liveson their channels, and that's a
very traditional way of workingwith Virgin Voyages.
Is it an easy way?
No, because there's a milliontravel influencers who all want
to go down this route and atthat time I had actually
partnered with somebody who wasalso a drone pilot.
Someone who watches my dronechannel had met up with me while

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I was flying drones on aproject elsewhere somewhere in
Sarasota, and he and I partneredtogether with Virgin Voyages on
a traditional trip.
If there's a great way to getfree travel and a little bit of
money, it's through that route,which is why I immediately and
part of the reason why I teach alot of creators how to create

(07:15):
is because I don't do anythinglike normal creators do, and
that path is a normal path, butit's not a lucrative path.
It's a great way to create arelationship with Virgin Voyages
, but it's not a lucrative path.
It's a great way to create arelationship with Virgin Voyages
, but it's not a great way tomake money, and so I instead
went down a different route,partnering with a travel agent
and sending my audience from myplatform to book through us, and

(07:39):
so that's the route that I wenton instead.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay.
Well, that just opens up morequestions and curiosity for me,
because I am I always callmyself like if you could give me
a title in a corporation, Iwould be the chief connections
officer.
So you need something and youneed something.
I'll connect you to the person.
Maybe I can't do it myself, butI'll get you the right person.

(08:03):
And you need something.
I'll connect you to the person.
Maybe I can't do it myself, butI'll get you the right person.
So how do you break the barrier?
How do you penetrate the VirginVoyages marketing team to get
in touch with somebody thatactually responds to you to say
hey, here I am, and did theyrequire you to have a certain
amount of followers?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's a good question.
I would say honestly,especially now, no-transcript

(08:45):
out to them and work with themdirectly.
I recommend doing it throughJourney J-E-R-N-E, which is a
influencer platform which manyof my creator friends are a part
of and enjoy, one that I amhesitant about because there's
no better way to be paid verylittle slash nothing, than
working through platforms likethis, and so it's a way that you

(09:07):
can get both free cruises, freehotel stays, free, fill in the
blank with a lot of luxurythings.
And that is a primary way thatVirgin Voyages works with
creators now is they funnel themthrough that.
It is very rare that they'llbring on singular one-offs with
their marketing team workingdirectly with people, given the
volume of the amount of thingsthey have going on, because,

(09:30):
don't forget, they also haveinfluencers named J-Lo,
influencers named their virginbrand of rock stars right, of
literal rock stars and musiciansand artists, et cetera, of
literal rock stars and musiciansand artists, et cetera.
And so their need for UCG, oruser generated content creators,

(09:51):
is a portion of their largerstrategy and plan, but is by no
means their main source of howthey market, and so they work
through the platforms now, andso if someone wanted to work
with them.
I recommend doing that.
And to answer your secondquestion around do you need a
following?
Yes, and my following right nowis way too small.
Like, like I am a little itty,itty, itty bitty and like just

(10:16):
to put that in perspective, myfull following is somewhere
around 86,000, anywhere from250,000 views to half a million
views per month across all theplatforms.
I am itty bitty, I'm too tinyfor them.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, I, I'm glad you brought that up, because I
think there is a growingcommunity of what we're calling
micro influencers and under10,000 or less, you know,
followers, and that's definitelywhere I fit in.
But I'm also not in that partof my life where I'm going to
say, yes, I'm going totransition out of my nine to
five and become a contentcreator full-time because,

(10:50):
unlike the average person, Iactually know how much work it
takes to create content, to editcontent and yada, yada, yada.
So, um, with that said, and andit's funny because my boss
knows I have a podcast and I'mlike I am not quitting my day
job.
I love my job.
I'm actually one of those weirdpeople who likes the stability

(11:11):
of my nine to five and my 403Bwith my match, but eventually,
yeah, could I do I dream ofgetting paid to travel?
Yes, I love to travel, so Ithink that would be a dream,
okay.
To travel, yes, I love totravel, so I think that would be
a dream, okay.
So, in that, it's a good timeto segue into the transition to

(11:34):
full-time content creator.
So, you, I think I listened toan episode recently it was
actually one in your seriesabout podcasting, and it was an
editing episode which caught myattention because you have a lot
of episodes so I'm trying tocatch up, but I'm also obsessed
with other podcasters but, um,you know.
So I listen as much as possible, but when we were talking about
editing, I really keep thingsno frills.
I keep it as simple as possible.

(11:55):
If I stumble, I just keep going, but if I like really screw up
and need to start over, fine.
But I keep it very natural andI wing it a lot because I just
don't want to spend that kind oftime editing.
It's one of those things ifyou're a perfectionist, it's a
bad place to be.
You know cause you you talkedabout how one episode used to

(12:15):
take you hours to edit and nowit's like minutes.
Right, exactly, love it.
So when you decided to leaveyour corporate life, your six
figurefigure salary life,whatever you were doing before,
what were you doing before?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
My background.
So after I went to UC Berkeleyin California, I wanted to
become a quote businesswoman,whatever that meant.
Yeah, and I ended up becomingan intern for Walmartcom.
What?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
does that mean anyway ?
Yeah right, I was an intern atWalmartcom.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
What does that mean anyway?
Yeah right, I was an intern atWalmartcom.
Loved it so much.
I graduated from UC Berkeleyearly, went full-time marketing
with Walmart, lived in SanFrancisco doing that for a long
time and then eventually movedto New York City doing the same
work for Amazon and then went togo be a remote employee one of
the first remote employees in myopinion back in 2013, doing

(13:10):
e-commerce work for yeah, beforeit was COVID cool to be remote.
Yeah, exactly, but basicallyI've been corporate world,
mostly marketing, my entire life.
That was what I used to do.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I remember you talking about that a little bit,
because I thought I heard ofWalmart Association, and then
you mentioned internship, whichI always tell my high school
students is the most importantthing you can do for yourself is
secure a great internship in acompany you're interested in or
a field that sparks your joy.
It's so true, really such agreat pathway, and I know many
people who have gone on toamazing employment opportunities

(13:43):
because of internships.
So I definitely think that isstill important if you're
getting your education, and forme it's a little difficult
because I have a son who's 17.
He's like I want to be aYouTuber, because what are they
seeing?
They're seeing all these people,mr Beast, and all these
YouTubers making all this moneyfor all this fun stuff they're
doing, not realizing the amountof work and the amount of time.

(14:05):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
But even as a content creator, I never let go of the
importance of interning.
What does it mean to intern?
It means you're create arelationship with a place that
you want a longer relationshipwith.
You are winding, doing thingsthat you don't necessarily want
to be doing.
It's really hard work andyou're doing it for what?
Free and or pennies, likesomething less than what someone

(14:29):
else is being paid or nothingat all, which I took that
mindset of internship when Ifirst started creating and
there's a lot of places Ihustled and I grind it hard,
developing relationships whilenot necessarily getting paid for
it.
Because, as a creator with zerofollowing, when you first start
right, your son started aYouTube channel.

(14:50):
Everyone starts from zero.
You've got to put in the worksomewhere so that you can build
the.
What do you do as an intern?
You build a resume as a contentcreator and you build a media
kit so that eventually you cango after the big dogs, right,
and you actually get paid and doall the things.
But it always starts with theinternship.
I would say too many creatorswho first start off have a chip

(15:12):
on their shoulder because theyare watching other huge people
who have already gone throughthe journey and expect to be
paid from day one, or expectthey expect something from day
one, when it's like you havenothing to show.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's what I couldn't believe.
I said do you realize, back inthe day when I entered, I
entered for free.
We did not get paid.
There was no such thing as apaid internship.
Now it's like you're biddingfor the highest paid internship,
like I have students that arein aerospace engineering and
they're getting paid $25 an hourto go live in a fabulous new
city and work in their dreamcareer.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Incredible.
Well, they're also drivingTeslas, but let's not talk about
it.
Why are the students drivingnicer cars than I am?
I do not know.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
That's a different podcast altogether these days.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So anyway, I, I, I just love, love your candid.
Um, I love that you're socandid with everything, you're
open with everything you know,and I think my nosiest question
for you and my curiosity isalways around the financials,
because I'm also a financeteacher and I'm like, how many

(16:18):
months would I have to save upbefore I could even decide I was
going to quit my job, let aloneembark on such a new journey,
did you meant?
Obviously you mentally preparedfor it because you were longing
to do something that followedyour passion.
Obviously, you mentallyprepared for it because you were
longing to do something thatfollowed your passion.
But how did you prepare toleave a secure bi-weekly

(16:38):
paycheck to?
do this full time.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's a great question .
I actually break this down inone of my episodes around
jumping into full-time travel.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Tell me, because I have to hear about it.
I'm going to listen to it.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Actually, I do it with another girl, helen of
Helen and Tim travels.
But it's not just a mentalpreparation that we talked about
, but it's a financialpreparation, because if you are
going to jump into this journey,in the same way that you're
launching any business, there'sa huge investment in the
beginning, both in learning andin equipment and in all the

(17:12):
platforms that you'll need tosupport you.
And so, mentally, where Istarted was when I became a
remote employee.
I basically could be anywherein the world from 2013 until I
left in 2020.
I could be anywhere in theworld as long as I was in
Michigan for one week a month,so that meant I was traveling

(17:33):
nonstop to lots of fun placesall over the place, working
remotely.
That company gave me ahumongous budget to just travel
in and out of Michigan, a hugebudget meaning in the tune of
$25,000 a year just to travel inand out of Michigan.
I built up my points duringthat time and I built up this

(17:53):
idea of I can work from anywhere.
And during that time, lots ofpeople were asking me oh, I saw
you in fill in the blank place.
What's it like traveling there?
Oh, I saw you.
It's so-and-so like.
I've always wanted to go there,what is it like?
And I started making my firstYouTube videos to answer
people's questions that keptcoming at me all the time.

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In the same way that you starta business, it's not just random
, it's generally built around aneed, and my need was people
asking me the same questionsover and over and over again,
and so I was mentally startingto prepare myself for becoming a
content creator, in havingalready traveled and having an
audience ie my friends andfamily asking me the same

(18:34):
questions on repeat.
Fast forward, as we were comingup on the pandemic, I was like I
think I'm going to go full-timeYouTube.
This is before the pandemic.
And I decided in January of2020, I was like I'm going to go
full-time.
I went to go attend my firsttravel conference and then the
pandemic happened and I was like, oh'm going to go full time.
Like I went to go attend myfirst travel conference and then
, uh, and then the pandemichappened and I was like, oh, wow

(18:56):
, this is like the worst time totravel.
It's the worst time to talkYouTube.
And what was interesting is, atthat time, people have this
misconception that it was thebest time to be a travel
YouTuber.
And I was like no, youtubewould be blasted if they were
pushing travel content.
They're encouraging people togo travel.

(19:17):
No, our world was not okay withit at that time and so when I
had the opportunity from myfull-time job hey, do you want
to be furloughed?
I was like yes, like absolutelyI want to try this YouTube
thing.
No-transcript, if you were tofull-time travel, how much money

(19:55):
do you actually need per monthto be able to sustain that?
And I started like creating myspreadsheets.
Right, this is my Walmart.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Amazon dates of like what do I actually need?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
That all fast forwarded into giving, being
given the opportunity to leavemy job and get severance, and I
100% took that and used thatseverance to give me a runway.
All of that is to say you'reasking about the financials.
I made this much money for along time.
I made $0 for a long time.
Why?
Because I was interning, I wasbuilding my portfolio.

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There are a lot of ways microinfluencers can make money, but
it's not easy, especially if youdon't have a specific audience.
If you're a micro influenceraround coffee cups and all you
talk about is coffee cups, yeah,coffee cups are probably going
to go sponsor you.
But if you're a micro influencerand that you don't have a big

(20:50):
following, but you talk aboutcoffee cups and AirPods and
pickleball and pens and lots ofthings, it's really hard to get
brands or places to work withyou, right.
And so I focus in on beachtravel and I focus in on really
really honing my audience inloving me because I am giving

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the most helpful tips.
And so, instead of niching downon a specific product or place,
I just focus on this theme ofbeach travel and being the most
helpful travel YouTuber ifyou're going to that place, and
I focused in on going deep onthe content and focusing in on
really serving my audience.

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And so I would say, because Icreated a loyal audience in the
places I go to, they know likeand trust me deeply for that
destination.
Yeah, so that's kind of a longway of saying that's how I built
this, I feel like that is soimportant, like it's always
about, I think, trust, respectand credibility.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
So I don't trust you because I don't know you yet,
but if I have some credibilityafter you start speaking and I
like the things you say, then Istart to trust you and then I
really start to respect you,right?
So I always said that with mystudents they don't know me yet,
they don't trust me yet, butI'm going to give them reasons
to trust me and I love that yousaid, you know, talked about the
interning thing and learning,because even Mel Robbins, you

(22:18):
know she said for a year shestudied other people's podcasts.
She listened to other people'spodcasts, she learned about
everything it would take becauseshe had wanted to do it for so
long.
Cause we look at her and we'relike, oh my God, she's got this
top rated podcast and millionsof followers.
It just happened overnight.
Well, it didn't happenovernight.
Obviously, she had a differentlevel of celebrity and her world
was a little more exposed.

(22:40):
Like I would never say to myhusband tomorrow I'm quitting my
job because I want to podcastfull time, because we will be
broke for at least a year, butit's okay.
If I ever did want to do that,there is a path.
But I love that you mentionedthe learning and the educational
curve, because I tell, I tellmy son the same thing Then get
on YouTube, start watching somepeople you admire, start going

(23:02):
way back to their early days andtheir journey and their first
videos that probably suck.
If they watch them, they'llcringe and learn about actually
digital marketing, how theseplatforms run, seo.
You know just all these things.
And I said then you need tostudy, study the world of
digital marketing, study theworld of social media strategies

(23:24):
.
You need to actually study itand learn it.
So, um, I think that's greatadvice.
And when you were talking aboutspecific places that you visit
and if somebody wants to visitthere, I was loving your video
on Sarasota because I am such aI am such a bad Floridian, but
I'm obsessed with manatees andI've lived in Florida all my

(23:47):
life.
I am literally like manateeobsessed since I was in high
school, and I have lived inFlorida all my life, born and
raised, and never been toSarasota.
So I was telling my husband weneed to get out more road trips
because Cocoa Beach is my happyplace.
So if I was going to doanything travel related on a
beach, it would be the CocoaBeach would be my thing.

(24:08):
But I have not been to allthese other beaches in Florida
that are amazing beaches Cause,frankly, I just don't want to
drive that far and Coco's liketwo and a half to three hours
and it's easy.
But I'm like, if I was going totake the journey, I would like
to go to Sarasota, I'd like togo to Siesta Key, I would like
to go to some of these otherbeaches, but then you had the

(24:36):
moat was the moat marineaquarium or something?
Or manatee, and I went oh mygod, they have a live manatee
camp.
I'm putting that in myfavorites today, watched your
video on that today.
I just stumbled across thepicture of the manatee and I was
like, oh my god, I'm so excited, I love that.
Well, I just think that you arefabulous.
So, after our first interactionon virgin voyages.
Of course, I have to like, joinyour facebook community, I have

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to join the virgin voyagescruise group for experts and
whatever.
Here's the funny thing I didn'tstart cruising until july 2022,
so we're talking only two years.
My friend took me on a cruise.
She's years.
My friend took me on a cruise.
She's a gambler.
She took me on a casino compand we had the best time ever
and I all I wanted was to be inthe clear, crystal clear waters
of the Bahamas, on the whitesand beach.

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So she took me for my birthday.
And then I was hooked for thenext birthday.
It was a milestone, my 50th andthat's when I said I really
want to go.
Virgin white is, can you takeme?
So that was my first sailing.
I didn't meet you on thatsailing.
I met you on the second sailingbecause when I got off that
ship I told my husband we aregoing again, like we have to go.

(25:44):
He's not really a big fan ofcruising per se.
He doesn't love germs andpeople and crowds and kids and
buffets so everything that hedoesn't love about a typical
cruise line.
Virgin answered that.
So I was like you have to go,you have to try it.
So we had the best time ever.
And then I was like we're goingagain.
And so when I went this yearfor my birthday and you were on

(26:06):
my sailing, I was so excited.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I was so excited.
It was such a fun one.
That was a fun sailing.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
It was a fun sailing and somebody recently said to me
this could be a littlecontroversial.
But somebody recently said tome that they think that cruise
line is in trouble and I saidfor the long-term sustainability
.
I don't know if you've heardany rumblings about that.
I first of all love the cruiseline.
So I'm first to defend, withoutany education at all, and I'm

(26:38):
going to say I disagree onlybecause I think there's always
going to be that market forpeople who want to vacation
without their children.
There's the.
You know I always say I have myhusband time, I have my family
time, I have just me and thekids time.
But that cruise line is soamazing and I think, as they
expand their destinations,cruise line is so amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And I think, as they expand their destinations, I
feel it's only going to getbetter.
I'm actually on the side that Idon't think they're going to
make it.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
You don't think they're going to make it Really,
because I'm an optimist.
My Starbucks tumbler with icedcoffee is always full, always
half full.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh, I love them.
I'm going to love them untilthey go under, but I think
they're either going to changein a way that you and I never
want to go again, or they willgo under one or the other.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, because then that is a little controversial.
So I was literally debatingwhether I brought it up or not,
but I thought it's the magic ofediting I could always take it
out if we weren't comfortabletalking about it, right.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well, my argument for why it would go under is Virgin
Voyages does cruisingdifferently.
So differently right, in theways that you just talked about.
It serves the person whodoesn't like normal cruises but
at the same time, like what isit about cruising that is so
lucrative?
Cruises, right, the big formatcruises do huge volume, huge

(27:54):
volume at insanely inexpensiveprices, and it has the same
customer coming back again andagain and again and again and
just pumping out the sameproduct, product.
Virgin Voyages does somethingso wildly different in that

(28:15):
they're capturing the market ofpeople who either want to try
something different I normallysail with so-and-so, but I want
to do something different andthey're also capturing the
person who doesn't normallycruise.
But think about cruisingbehavior.
Right, normal cruisers willcruise 12 times a year or like a
lot, but how often are theysailing with Virgin Voyages?
That price point isn't one thatyou can do all the time,

(28:39):
especially being in Floridaright now.
The number of people who are ohyeah, I went on six Carnival
cruises this year, no biggie.
I'm considering going on a fewmore.
It's not like that.
The price point is way higher.
It's just a different model, andso there are a lot of things
that work about Virgin Voyages,but you can even see a lot of
the changes that they're makingnow to be able to stay, like

(29:03):
keeping their head above water.
Everything from you know, liketheir happenings, cast their
cruise directors.
You can only find them sometimesat the group parties, but
mostly they're doing the privateevents that everyone is
required to pay more money for,because they're trying to push
people to pay more money whenthey're on the cruise, or even

(29:24):
things like all of their pricesare going up and the number of
discounts and deals that they donow are going down
significantly, and anotherexample of a pricing model that
I've seen as a change is they'regoing to try to create their
Florida, their Miami sailings tobe their kind of like gateway
drug, like cheaper sailing tothe Caribbean.

(29:47):
But they're going to try to maketheir new destinations their
Greece, their Europe, theirother locations, alaska, the
more expensive sailings Likeeven if you look at the price
point on the Panama canal cruise, like it's, it's close to like
$16,000.
Granted, it's for a long time,but if you look at price per
night, per person, it's wayhigher, not just for that

(30:11):
sailing, but way higher forVirgin Voyages versus any of the
other cruise lines, and sothere's no true opening price
point that would appeal tonormal cruisers, and so for that
reason, I just think it's hardfor them to stay above water
over the long, long term For thelong haul yeah, like the Royal
Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think I'm just very naive to it all, because I
watch real estate shows likeMillion Dollar Listing, and I
see people still buying $20million homes in Beverly Hills
and I just feel like the peoplewho always have money will
always have money and they'll beable to cruise.
I don't know, I guess it's justbecause I come from a different
group, the casino comp group,and I'm not paying as much for

(30:55):
my cruise, but I'm obviouslyspending money in the casino,
right, coincidentally alsowinning a lot of money in the
Virgin Voyages casino.
I have to tell you, that hasbeen one of my favorite casinos
ever.
Some great jackpots have beenwon.
But overall, I do see yourpoint because I am also very

(31:15):
open-minded.
Right, I want to experience itall to make a fair comparison,
but I have yet to get on acarnival cruise line, I have to
tell you uh, yeah, I totallyskip it, but I'm listening to
what you're missing out.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I'm listening to what you're saying, right?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
now and I'm trying to remember.
I just want to go, so I couldjust say why I will never go
again.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, but I'll put this out there which is Meatball
.
My boyfriend had an opportunityto go on the newest Carnival
cruise, the biggest brand newship, and I was like, what's the
date?
Oh perfect, I cannot go thatdate because I'm traveling for a
different project.
I was like, what's the date?
Oh perfect, I cannot go thatdate because I'm traveling for a
different project.
And on the first night he wascalling me hey, can you please

(31:57):
look into how can I potentiallyget off this ship and fly back?
It's that bad Like he hated itand he has a very low threshold
of like it doesn't need to bethat nice, like I mean, he's
from the Bronx, so he's totallydown for life, very humble
meatball.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I will say I love him .
He's a humble guy.
He could maybe be a littlebougie with the champagne
because he's got.
You know, he's been influenced,even I, okay.
So my casino host said you canhave any bottle of wine you want
at dinner.
And I said, well, I don'treally drink red wine and the
white whites I drink are sweetand they're not really expensive

(32:35):
.
But I said if you're paying,I'm getting the most expensive
glass of champagne on this menu.
So I pulled Christine and I gotthe $25 glass of go away.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, you got to do it, you have to do it.
But if he doesn't like carnival, to me that says something.
But actually, going back, I wastrying to remember which
sailing we were on together,because one of the sailings I
was on, I had brought a friendwho just purchased her $20
million house and she flew toVirgin Voyages on her private

(33:06):
jet her owned private jet anddid a rockstar suite experience
Virgin voyages.
And I was genuinely curious,because she sometimes cruises
and she would.
She just thought Virgin voyageswas like whatever, like it
wasn't bad, it wasn't great, itwasn't.
I don't think she'll ever do itagain, but I just feel like,

(33:29):
even though Virgin voyages istrying to appeal to a higher end
clientele and even those thathave money, like when I actually
I brought, as I brought, a CEOof a very lucrative company
recently on Virgin Voyages andhe also thought it was like it
was cool, like kind of whatever,but like this is the clientele

(33:51):
that should be on board and Idon't see any of them ever going
back again versus I talk to mynormal cruising friends.
They're like oh yeah, I haveall my cruises lined up for the
year.
I'm starting to buy 2025, 2026.
Like it's part of the lifestyle, whereas these guys are more
one-offs.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
So yeah, yeah, and I can see that to your point only
because when you're talkingabout like, for the average
person who maybe has only beenon carnival, they will think is
the most luxurious thing you'veever seen in your life.
But to a friend of mine who's ahigh roller gambler, they don't
even have a high limits roomfor the high rollers.
So there's differentperspectives there.
So I could definitely see that.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah and each their own.
Like I support and give athumbs up to all of them, but
that's just why I don't seeVirgin Voyages winning in the
long, long, long term.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Well, I did just go on Utopia of the Seas, the
newest Royal Caribbean, and Iloved the ship.
I thought it was fabulous.
I am going back again on 830.
I take different girlfriendsand then whoever is cruise
approved can go again, go backon the waiting list.
I love, I like to travel withdifferent people and then steve
okay, he favors virgin.

(35:01):
I'm taking him on royalcaribbean for the first time
next year.
The allure, because I love theallure of the seas, it's like my
favorite royal ship, onlybecause they play mama mia, like
I booked that ship just becausethey have the Broadway show
Mamma Mia.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's so fun, but I'm weird.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm weird like that, I will.
I will go.
I hate the nickel and dimingwith the gratuities and the
drink package and all that crap,but I will go because I am so
easy going when it comes totravel.
I'm just so happy to be goingsomewhere.
So happy to be away that I'mhappy.
I'm just always happy.
I love that.
So, all right.
You said you did.

(35:42):
You made $0 for a very longtime.
When did you start to see somemoney and where does it come
from?
Like, how do people actuallyget paid for their content?
And I know you have.
Some of your videos have 80,000views.
Some of them have 600 views.
Where is the bulk of the incomecoming from?
Only, if you don't mind measking it, only feel comfortable
with what you want to share.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Oh, it's all good People ask me this question all
the time and I would say thebiggest misconception is that
people think two things.
They think one, it comes fromone or two major sources, and
the second misconception is thatmost people think it comes from
ad revenue.
If you get, if you get, half amillion views on a video on

(36:23):
YouTube, depending on the lengthof the video, you'll probably
make like a couple thousandbucks, like literally nothing.
If you want to just make moneyon YouTube ad revenue, you need
videos every week with at leasta million views every single
time, and they need to be atleast 10 minutes long, because

(36:44):
for ad revenue it's around watchtime, the number of minutes
people are spending on theplatform, and so ad revenue,
whether from blog ad revenue,whether from YouTube ad revenue,
whether from meta, facebook,instagram or from ad revenue
TikTok ad revenue fill in theblank.
There's lots of places to get adrevenue on all the different

(37:06):
platforms.
That, yes, is a revenue stream,but is one of many of them.
I would say one of the thingsabout my travel is that because
I am building this know, likeand trust and I don't go in and
create just one video, I have 50Virgin Voyages videos.
I have 50 Tulum videos.

(37:28):
I have like 12 Zanzibar videos.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I recently saw that Tulum is dead.
To you, you're never going back.
Oh, I hate Tulum.
I love that you said that,cause I was like, well, are we
offending people in Tulum?
Is she going to lose money?
Because she just said that I'mlooking at all the perspectives
and you're like done.
We're so done with Tulum.
And I'm like, okay, good, Ihave never, I've never gone and
I don't have to go now because Ilike know and trust Christine.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
That right.
But if I told you go, you wouldprobably copy the same
itinerary that I just did.
You'd probably consider thesame hotels I stayed at.
That is an affiliate revenuesource.
If you go book the same hotelas me, I get a kickback from
that hotel.
If you go book the same toursas me, I get a kickback from

(38:13):
those tours.
And then fill in the blank thatacross all the places I've
traveled, across the 250 to500,000 people watching that
every single month who arecopying my travel.
So affiliate revenue is areally big part of my revenue
stream.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I was going to say now that now you're talking
language.
I understand, because I'm very,very interested in affiliate
marketing, but I'm sooverwhelmed by it and I'm just
tired of scammers.
So, but when you're talkingabout an actual affiliate link
with paid commission, whensomebody books a tour and yes,
you're right, I would probablygo if I don't know if there's
one in your Sarasota video, butif I went to your Sarasota video

(38:52):
and I clicked on your link tobuy tickets that you know, um,
the Marine place I forget thename aquarium, thank you.
I don't know why I had thatbrain fart, but if I book that
link and even if you just got,you know, $1 for every person
who books through that link,that is affiliate revenue.
So definitely understand thatconcept and it's definitely not

(39:14):
just one person, right?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Like, think about that.
I have, I don't know, somethinglike over five to 600 YouTube
videos on my travel channel.
What about if someone buys adrone?
That drone is not a $20aquarium ticket, that drone is a
$2,000 item.
What about my Amazon curatedlists?

(39:36):
I have a whole drone curatedlist on Amazon, a whole Virgin
Voyages one, a whole, fill inthe blank.
And I am sending thousands andthousands and thousands and
thousands and thousands andthousands and thousands of
dollars to Amazon each month.
How many thousands of dollarsam I sending to Virgin Voyages?
How many am I sending to theHilton Playa del Carmen?

(39:57):
How many am I sending to?
This is across 500 videos,right?
This becomes a lot of differentthings everywhere.
So, affiliate revenue, adrevenue, and I'll give one more
example, which is super rare Iwill do this very rarely and it
must be the perfect fit which issponsorships, because all day,

(40:18):
every day, like you know,someone will come in and be like
if you just smoke thise-cigarette a couple of times in
your channels and then promoteus, we'll give you thousands and
thousands and thousands of thathuge money.
And I'm like I don't, I don'tsmoke Like.
That's just not a fit for me,and so that's not something I
want to promote.
Nor do I want to promotebecause I live sometimes, when

(40:41):
I'm not drinking champagne arelatively healthy lifestyle,
like that's just not a fit forme.
Um, I will take on, for example,like as part of my badassery
series within my, within mypodcast.
I'm doing because so manypeople ask exactly what you're
asking me now how do you createpodcasts?
How do you monetize?

(41:02):
How do you set up theseaffiliates?
How do you?
How do you create podcasts?
How do you monetize?
How do you set up theseaffiliates?
How do you create for hotels?
And each of these that I'mtalking about are one of 30
episodes that are going live onmy podcast about how to create
and monetize.
So that podcast series is goinglive.
And who's a good fit, a greatsponsor, would be the affiliate

(41:23):
platform, and so that affiliateplatform where they aggregate
over a hundred travel brands soyou're not having to work
individually with a hotel,individually with a tour company
, individually, with fill in theblank, you can just plug in to
one platform and then makeaffiliate revenue and track it

(41:43):
all 100 brands through theirplatform.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh, I am so all about that.
I'm going to be listening tothat series because you know, I
have to have a thousanddownloads a month on my podcast
to monetize, even just throughBuzzsprout.
Like, I pay for hosting, I payfor Riverside FM, I pay for
Buzzsprout because I like tolook at the data and the stats
and eventually, when I'm morecommitted, I will get more
consistent and I will startrecording every week and then

(42:09):
maybe I'll see a little moretraction.
But I love that you talkedabout the consistency.
In that one episode I listenedto recently, it's like, just
start doing it, get it going beconsistent.
So, if I have, if I'm a personwho's been following your
journey for a long time and I'vewatched all your videos, I'm
like when's the next one?
Like I know that every ThursdayMel Robbins podcast drops and I

(42:30):
was had it on play this morningCause I was like I gotta have it
and she's talking about oh,it's the best episode today ever
.
You got to listen to it.
But my other question I had foryou was as a podcaster, surely
there has to have been otherpodcasts you listened to or were
inspired by?
What podcasts are you listeningto besides mine, of course,

(42:53):
when you're not podcasting orlistening to other things, do
you have a favorite, like topthree podcasts that you love and
follow?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh, that's such a good question, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I gave you good questions, because if I gave you
bad questions and you'd be like, oh, we're done with her, just
like we're done with Tulum,we're done with her.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Oh, that's so funny Actually, if I'm totally not the
normal, well, the old me beforeI became a creator when I was
in the corporate world.
We try to think of somethingsmart to say off the top of my
head.
That may or may not be true,but now I keep it 100.
Like, I keep it super real.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Authentic, real.
Who cares If you don't listento any at all?
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
That.
So I used to listen to a lot ofpodcasts.
I listened to Mel Robbins.
I will listen to the podcastsof creators I know like, just so
you know, like, give support orprepare for being on podcasts,
for example, to understand thevibe of it Right now in this
part of my journey, when I firstwas interning as a content

(43:49):
creator, I would consume aninsane amount of content from
the standpoint of qualitativelytrying to figure out what made
sense for me and where I wantedto play finding my own voice.
Now that I have my own voice, Iam super honed in on audio books
, so I am listening to lots ofaudio books around learning, and

(44:10):
so I'll just give one exampleof a book I'm listening to right
now which is really shifting mymindset around.
I'm a really strong marketer,but I don't really feel like I'm
a really strong salesperson, soI'm listening to Sell Like
Sirhan.
Oh, I know we love Ryan Sirhanyeah, amazing book.
He really, really changes mymindset around how I think about

(44:34):
selling, and just one takeawayI have from it that I've been
focused on recently is not justfollow up but follow through.
He talks a lot about follow upand follow through and really
closing, closing the gap onsomething, um and so, as I
prepare for doing group trips,group travel trips that's

(44:54):
something I've taken with meanyway.
Pot on the podcasting front Um,so many podcasts out there.
I know there's so many goodones.
I do listen to Mel Robbins.
I did listen to Mel Robbins.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I just love her.
I love her so much.
It's funny because if I was acontent creator, if I was going
to do something fun as like aside project, which I'm actually
tempted to do, I'd love youropinion on this.
I told my husband we're goingto go to Vermont because she
lives in Vermont and I picked uplittle cues when she's talking
about things she drives by onthe way to her house and I was

(45:26):
like we're going to go toWilloughby Donuts.
I'm going to make content likewe're looking for Mel Robbins.
I'm going to go to WilloughbyDonuts.
I'm like have you seen MelRobbins lately?
When was the last time was shein here?
What kind of donut did sheactually be?
Very fun and entertainment,like my search, manifesting my
meeting of Mel Robbins.
I think that all that could beits own podcast in itself.
That could be a mini series.

(45:47):
But it's like you're in theworld, is Mel Robbins?
And I'm like I'm going to gostalker in Boston.
I'm going to stalk her in agood way.
So when I say stalking, I meanlike you know, you know, you do,
you know, I'm inspired by youkind of stalking.
I think that would be a reallyfun series.
I feel like so many that wouldbe a fun series to go to all
these cool places, like in theneighborhood where she talks

(46:08):
about driving by I don't know.
I think that would be a funweekend away because I've never
been to Vermont.
Have you been to Vermont?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I have not been to Vermont.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Oh my God.
No, I lied, I've been toVermont, to Vermont, oh my.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
God, I've been to Vermont.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Okay, I've been to Killington because I love skiing
which I don't know if thatcounts as going to Vermont.
First of all, if you'relistening to this, because I
have not gone down the wholeYouTube rabbit hole putting my
videos on.
But one of the reasons I pickedthis podcasting platform is
because I wanted the ability tohave the video if I wanted it
for later for YouTube, and Ijust you know I love the whole

(46:46):
Zoom situation Like looks like aZoom, you see everybody but
also interview style and I couldhave up to eight people on at
one time and I thought to myselflike this would be so awesome.

(47:07):
So you and I go to Vermont andwe're going to go try to find
Mel Robbins, and then you canmake a travel video about
Vermont.
You can make a travel videoabout Vermont.
I mean, it just came to me,it's brilliant.
We should totally do that.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Actually, from a creator and financial standpoint
, this is.
This is the way I would set upthat trip standpoint.
This is the way I would set upthat trip.
You would storyboard on thiswhole finding Mel Robbins story.
I would reach out to thetourism board, tell them the
types of places we're trying togo to so that they are funding
our entire trip.
Then I would give them a ratecard of good, better and best, a

(47:39):
little bit, a bunch, a lot ofcontent with three different
prices.
If they want to hit my ownplatforms, hey, if you want me
to hit that donut shop andactually make three tweets, 10
reels, five beautiful photos ofit, then it will cost this much.
If you want that, plus a blogpost, plus a dedicated YouTube

(48:01):
video, it's this.
If you want us to podcast whilewe're in the shop, plus all of
this, and do a live stream whilewe're there, then it costs this
and I'm giving them that ratecard.
So I'd work with the tourismboard.
I would separately if, like,let's say, we're going to I
don't know some spa she goes toall the time I might reach out
directly to that spa place andtry to do some kind of

(48:23):
partnership with them.
At whatever hotel we stay at,I'll reach out to them.
First, focusing on dronephotography and videography Plus
, if you want that, and adedicated YouTube video and a
dedicated blog posts.
Here are the different pricesfor that and you can start to
see how all of this is amonetized trip.
And then, separately, I haveall my own affiliate links going

(48:47):
, so when the content launches,I am, over time, making money
off of people who are watchingthis and being like I want to
find Mel Robbins.
She would probably hate thiswhole series of people finding
her.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
But the funny thing is, I mean, you just took it
next level, you took that to thenext level.
I'm so about it, but I'm in,I'm in.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I think we should do it, but that's that's the way I
think about, not just what youjust said.
Every single trip I do and like, that's what it looks like in
terms of planning, pitching,creating rate cards, selling,
like.
But all of these things are areally great fit on both sides,
which is also why, right LikeVermont, for me it's not beach

(49:29):
travel.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
My audience would be like I know, I know we're
shaking things up.
We're shaking things up becauseit's winter in Florida and the
beaches are cold, so we might asif we're going to be cold, we
might as well go somewhere cold.
That's fabulous.
I love that I can rationalizeeverything.
But where I was going with thisbefore I lost my train of
thought and here was, I wasgoing to say to the audience, if

(49:50):
you're listening to this, firstof all, christine, you are in
amazing shape.
Oh, thank you.
I mean well, you're an athlete,I am not an athlete, so I
appreciate other people who areathletic.
I appreciate your love ofpickleball, thank you.
I am going to hold you to apickleball lesson.
I'm going to come to Fort StLucie and I'm going to get in a

(50:11):
little tennis skirt, apickleball skirt, whatever we're
wearing these days on thepickleball courts, I will have
my no girls allowed hat on,though Got to rep the brand, but
you are in amazing shape.
So when we were dancing on thepool at the pool party what
party?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
was that the first night?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
that we were at wasn't pj party.
It's the I don't know, but wewere dancing and I'm like she's
just in amazing shape.
You're gorgeous, oh you're anamazing shape.
Yes, you take care of yourself,you exercise, but you do
something you love and you lovepickleball and love pickleball.
I'm sure you have someaffiliate links and sponsorships

(50:53):
or things you do withpickleball brands absolutely so
that's awesome and, um, I thinkthere's just so much that I
could learn from you.
I'm not ready to take that leapinto quitting my day job and
becoming a full-time contentcreator, but do I love this idea
of us partnering for thisweekend in Vermont.
I'm going to manifest it.

(51:15):
I'm putting it on the visionboard.
I'm putting it on the visionboard.
I think it should happen.
If for nothing else than atutorial of how you monetize and
plan a travel trip, I thinkthat's amazing content,
educational content even.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Well, even pickleball is one where it's like it's
part of my lifestyle, which iswhy I've brought in sponsored
brands who send me gear, who Iget an affiliate kickback of
anyone that buys the sameoutfits or gear or accessories
as me.
Right, and I encourage you notto quit and go full time in

(51:51):
content creation but start tomake it part of your lifestyle.
Everything that I've talkedabout, about what I create
around, are all around things Iabsolutely love and things I'm
doing every single day.
I play volleyball every day.
I'm traveling all the time, Ilove flying drones.
All of these passions I have.

(52:12):
I love being on Virgin Voyages.
These are all just things I donormally, but I have turned my
passions into profits and Ithink everyone, you included,
can start with some small partof your life that you just love,
that you want to share withothers.
Right, because all of thiscomes back to I serve my
audience.
First, I'm passionate aboutthis thing, and so I'm talking

(52:36):
to my audience about it, becauseI'm sharing my true love and
passion for that in a veryhelpful way that serves them,
and then I find the differentways to monetize it in a way
that makes sense both for thetourism board the destination,
the brand, the tour, thewhatever it is, and then it just
works for everybody, right?
Like going back to the why I'mlistening to sell like Sirhan,

(52:59):
like selling in this, in thisscenario, is not gross, it
doesn't feel bad.
Right, it's a win-win for bothpartners, all sides.
I'm sharing the things I love,but I'm happy it just so happens
I'm creating monetized channelsthroughout the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, and I I gotta tell you that's where I think I,
I, me and I think other peoplecould relate to this.
People get a little overwhelmed, namely myself, because I go do
we really need another travelcontent creator?
Do we really need anotherinfluencer?
Do I really need another personon the Royal Caribbean Utopia

(53:39):
of the Seas talking about thisnew show, because it's already
so saturated.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
So that's where I always feel like I quit before I
start, I would say to me100,000% yes, because how many
people have talked about thetopics we are talking about
today?
Thousands.
How many people look and soundexactly like you?
Nobody.
How many people have been onexactly like you?
Nobody.
How many people have been onyour exact journey?

(54:07):
Only you.
Your voice is so unique and sodifferent than everybody else's,
and a lot of people are dyingto hear that story from you,
that help from you, right?
I even think about your amazingweight loss journey and how you
did it.
It doesn't look at all likemine.

(54:28):
I used to be grossly unhealthyand overweight and I went
through my own journey, and itlooks different than everybody
else's and yours, and noteveryone can relate, not
everyone can identify withsomebody, but if someone can
uniquely identify with and wantto learn and go on the journey

(54:50):
with you and go on the contentcreation journey with you, then
then that is your audience,right?
In the same way, like I don'tappeal to everybody everybody.
I'm not trying to, though, butthis is also why I don't think
Virgin Voyages will win in thelongterm.
They don't appeal to the masses.
I'm not a Mr Beast.
I'm not trying to be either,like when I talked to him at a

(55:14):
recent YouTube conference and wewere shooting the shit in the
hallway.
I'm just like I'm listening tohim talk about his audience.
His audience is a lot of peopleright, it's huge, it's massive.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, that overwhelms me.
It's massive.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
But you don't necessarily need that many
people to be watching you tomake an impact and change on
someone's life, like even ifjust one person listens to
today's podcast episode and thisis why my podcast is about 1%
changes.
It's not about all of a suddenhaving this huge badass moment

(55:50):
in your life.
It's about making one smalllittle tweak each day and that
over time, like a 401k right,adds up to something really
humongous later, right.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I mean, I feel like I'm 1% more badass today than
yesterday just because Iactually recorded a podcast
today.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
You did the thing.
Now just do one more.
I would say that's a really bigthing.
That's like a 10% more.
Yeah, do one more, 1%, right?
Send an email to three peoplebeing like I would love for you
to be on my radar for a futureepisode.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
That's 1%.
As we wrap up, I think the onlything that could make this
conversation any better is if wehad done this together, live on
YouTube, on the verge ofvoyages together.
But you know, I'm putting it onthe vision board, I'm
manifesting Vermont withChristine.
No, we're doing it, we're doingit, I'm like it's so not in my

(56:45):
wheelhouse.
Why it's going to be fabulous.
Beaches are cold in Florida, sowe're just going to keep in the
theme we're going to be coldsomewhere else.
We're gonna do it.
Um, yeah, no, I think it'sgoing to be awesome, but if for
nothing else, as a learningopportunity for me.
You can, you can coach methrough the process, right, you

(57:06):
should come up.
Oh listen, I am so going to begetting into that.
Whatever that is, it's comingdown the pipeline.
I'm in, like I'm your biggestfan and your mom.
I'm your number one fan.
Has your mom been on utopiathis year yet, cause I know she
loves Royal Caribbean?
We are doing.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
uh, the other one, first icon icon, and then the
year after we will do utopia.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Okay, well, I want to thank you for your time today.
Thank you for being with me,thank you for being my best
friend today.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I love being your best friend today.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I know as well.
It was funny because thepodcast was called live laugh,
lydia.
And then another person that Ihave on the podcast.
He was like Mike for Kara fromstart down.
He goes.
You did an episode Did we justbecome best friends?
Casey Baker Cause I didn't knowwhat to name that episode and
we kind of became best friendsafter like two minutes on
Instagram through a mutualfollowing and he goes.
But after talking to you for acouple of minutes I feel like

(58:05):
we're best friends, like that'syour thing.
Did we just become best friends?
Like it's a little long fromthe marketing perspective, but I
just, you know, I went with it,so that's my thing.
So hopefully we're going to bebest friends again on November
22nd.
On the valiant lady I hope.
Soaliant Lady, I hope.
So I hope so I hope so I'm veryexcited.

(58:27):
Thank you for being here today.
Everybody go out there andfollow when in the World is CL,
where in the World is ChristineLozada, on all her platforms.
Show her some love and bookyour travel through her links.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Thank you so much for having me it was fun, thank you
.

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