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Welcome to Dialogue Podcast. I'm yourhost, Rebecca Sebastian, and you're listening
to the weekly interview format true crimepodcast where I talk with the leading voices
and crime, culture and justice.But this week is a little different because
it's November thirty. Do you knowwhere your holiday spirit is? I am
so pleased to present to you ontoday's feed, the first episode of season
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two of Santa Maybe a Criminal.Santa Maybe is a true crime satirical podcast
created by my good friend, loyallistener, and trusted editor, Jason us
three. Now listen. What youneed to know about Jason is that he
started out as a listener of Dialogue, We became friends, and when the
need for a new editor arose,Jason was my top pick. Jason and
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I have been working for almost twoyears, if not more than two years
at this point, and in additionto editing my shows, he edits and
produces several shows, some of whichare probably other shows that you love,
like La Not So Confidential, Butis also, in addition to his family
and full time job, been creatingthis masterpiece of an audio experience called Santa
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Maybe a Criminal. Now. Thisis season two, episode one, which
you can just dive right into andenjoy, but you're going to get a
lot more out of it if yougo back to season one and binge the
whole thing. It's literally the bestway I can think of to kick off
the holiday. In addition to itbeing a great story and listening experience,
You're going to hear many familiar voices, so this is practically of an Easter
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egg hunt wrapped up in a Christmaspresent. Listen closely and see how many
podcasters you can identify in the story. Yours truly makes an appearance a couple
of times, As I honestly likemy alter egos a TV reporter and a
cult expert, I'm living the dreamover here on Santa Maybe. All Right,
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I've said too much. Jason Essieis a super talent. Follow and
subscribe. I'll be back next weekwith an all new interview to wrap up
our series on Wrongful Convictions with thehost and creator of Bone Valley, Gilbert
King. So you don't want tomiss that until then, here's season two,
episode one of Santa Maybe a Criminal. Happy Happy Holidays here, and
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so you might want to ear muffumor send them outside to play. Thanks
for listening. I'm following it Acollect call from a person pronoun I feel
ruin naughty correctional. Yep, youheard that right, Santa Claus. My
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name's Richie Buck. I'm a formerpest control technician, carpenter and sometimes wise
man in my church Christmas program.As for my current situation, I'm an
investor post and the jolly man usHurd on that recording, Well, last
year he got locked up. Thisyear he's gone and busted out of jail.
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And guess who's going to drag himback to face the Christmas music.
You can thank me later. Thisis season two of Santa Maybe a Criminal,
an ongoing Yule Tide investigation. Yougot anything out milk and you have
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something like bangers and mash and thisis the first if Christmas Finding my boo
settle in for an evening of mystery, mayhem, and exploration of the dark
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side of humanity. I'm doctor Shiloh, a former cop, and I'm doctor
Scott, a former Hollywood casting director. Now we're both forensic psychologists working in
southern California. Are you fascinated bythe twisted minds that commit criminal acts?
Do you ever wonder how could theydo that? In each episode of our
podcast La Not So Confidential, wedissect the nexus where true crime, forensic
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psychology, and entertainment medi Blanchard wasexaggerating our daughter's medical condition for financial game.
We serve up fascinating cases viewed throughthe lens of human behavior. Why
is your brother afraid of you?I delivered with our signature gallows humor while
examining the actual diagnoses on dishing onthe media portray our kids are alive.
Subscribe to La Not So Confidential anywhereyou go for podcasts. Come and join
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us for La Not So Confidential.Trust us, We're doctors. Laugh a
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big shady forests of country line.I really don't want to do this.
Hey, y'all, you remember whoI am because you heard the intro,
But you're probably curious about how Iam? Are you kidding me? You
gotta remember that guy that's my cousin, Rodney Dale Murphy. He's the guy
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that let the hunch punch out forSannah instead of milk, the guy who
had the partridge in the pine tree. You can trace this whole story back
to that damn bird and that damnhunch punch. But that's neither here nor
there. Rodney's had some big changestoo. See he left his wife Linda
and is now shacking up with RuthieBarker, guest's granddaughter, Rita. You
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done everything else, live a little. You're a bad influence for ust me.
It's what people want. I hearda bunch of people whispering trying to
figure out what you'd be. I'mstanding right now in Rita's storage unit holding
a flashlight. Inside the beam illuminatesclothing racks, and on those racks are
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costumes, Halloween costumes. This isa hell of a collection. You might
remember last season I had three rules. I'd never get a tattoo, I'd
never say the F word, andI never dress up for Halloween. You
out of three ain't bad. MeatLoaf, May he rest in peace?
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How about this one? So Ibroke two of those rules in season one,
I actually broke the tattoo thing twice. And after Derek Rudolph Santas somehow
still defense Attorney invited me to hisHalloween party. The Mitten Nana fitting,
you best be acquitting. It lookslike I'm going to break the third.
I just don't know. If youdon't dress up, they'll know you're a
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plant, a narc. But I'mnot. I've made it clear where I
stand. Sure you have whoall isgonna be there? Richie? Hey,
Rita. Rita walks up. She'sholding another armful of clothes. Anything you
like? I don't know. Well, I bought another storage unit. Every
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single one I buy is filled withHalloween costumes. This podcasts brought you by
Christmas Spirit Halloween. Just kidding.There are a couple nice ones here,
like and then she pulls it out. It's sort of the opposite of what
you think of for Halloween. It'swhite and it's covered in sequence. Wait
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a minute, nice, ain't it? Damn sure is? So I decide,
if I'm going to dress up forHalloween, I'm going to make a
mark and leave them wanting more.Richie has left the storage unit. I
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hate parties, I hate being aroundpeople, and there's a sequence pinch in
my I keep forgetting to change myring tone. Gotta remember to do that.
Hey, yeah, I'm almost there. Yes, of course I'm dressed
up. Well, I'm a newme. Yes, I'm still doing the
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podcast, at least until we gethim back here to face the facts.
I pull up to Derek Rudolph's house. To say he's gone all out is
an understatement. I don't know ify'all remember, but Derek told me that
Halloween was his favorite holiday, despitethat being a red flag per Santa.
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Anyhow, there are a couple ofthose light projection thingies out on the front
yard. I grab a small bagand get out of the truck and approach
the house. As I approach thefront steps, I see a pretty wild
party in full swing. As ifhe could sense my presence, Derek Rudolph
rushes over, Wait a minute,Richie, rich let me guess you're the
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king of rock and roll. What'swith He points to the side of my
head. See on top of thenecessary edition of the big glasses, I
also added some big ears. Theyfold out over the jet black wig behind
the oversized side burns. After all, I gotta stay true to our theme,
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don't I. What's with the years? I'm elvish, Elvis Presley because
of your Christmas obsession. Yeah,you're nothing if not consistent. No wonder
you're always on the nice list.What do you got there? He points
at the red bag in my hand. Nothing much. I brought a gift.
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You brought a gift to a Halloweenparty. This is how bad I
am at this. I thought youalways brought gifts to parties. Thanks?
What is it? It's haunted Christmasornament. It's true. The ornament has
the ashes of my great uncle Alfred. He was my daddy's brother. They
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loved Christmas. He asked that whenhe go his ashes to be put in
an ornament and hung on the treeevery year. The problem was the bastard
seemed to haunt my house. Andif Derek Rudolph has planned to defend Santa,
well maybe this will keep him upa few nice and knock him off
his game. Ah. Thanks,Richie, that's really really nice to you.
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Listen, I know things between youand Santa right now are complicated,
and I completely understand that. WhatI want you to know, Santa is
innocent, sure, of course,innocent until proven guilty, innocent until convicted,
sometimes even innocent when convicted. Youremember that, Richie, You remember
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that? Kind of like an Alfredplea. See that makes us all the
more special because in that ornament rightthere is Alfred Buck Alfred, Alfred Alfred.
I think I under the name ofmy own uncle. Nah. Sorry,
I think you're talking about an Alfredplea, not Alfred. It's not
like Batman's butler's plea. Come on, let me show you to the bar.
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Yes please. As we moved throughthe grief, I see a lot
of people I recognize doctor Peter Whip, Vim Sickles, wearing a serious Sucker
suit and smoking his signature galois Hello, Reggie. Looks like Vinta is here.
Well, technically it's still fall ifyou say so, dear boy.
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So there is he who Santa Nothe Easter Bunny? Actually that one.
I know. If I knew whereSanta Claus was, I'd be slapping handcuffs
on him right now. Do youthink that is a good idea? You
resk your spot on the nice list. Unfortunately, Doc, I think that
Sleigh has sailed. I continue throughand bump into a pregnant nun. Oh
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wait, Reggie, Jinny, Ilike your costume. I knew you would,
little naughty, little nice. Iknow it's been done to death,
but who cares. It's a party. You're ready for some more ink?
Not yet, when you're ready,I've got ideas, like really good ideas.
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She clutches my arm and growls atme. We are sure, sorry,
drinking man attans tonight have funded Rudolphstill tugging me by the arm,
trying to get me to the bar. Well, well, well, hut
an sally, and we are theprosecutors, except tonight because it's Halloween.
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Yeah, so what are you?You can't tell? Double breasted suit fo
Dora with a feather, expensive watch, chip on shoulder. Defensive attorney.
Did I really invite you? Guys? You sure did? De you Rudy.
We stand awkwardly for a moment.I eye the bar. I can
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see it. We're only fifteen pacesaway. Deaf going with the old fat
and i'd say is moderately obese.Well don't take up for him. Oh
no, I'm not. I'm onyour side. Now. Wait, what
haven't you been listening to my podcast? Let me interject. Our friends here
seem confused. See a podcast islike on demand radio, but it's through
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an app. APP is actually shortfor application and radio is ha ha ha,
d Ruddy, why do you keepcalling me that we know what apps
are? Well, just so youknow, I'm still all in on Santa's
case. That small mitten, Howdo you explain that a red herring?
Red herring? I'm gonna tell youone thing, Chet, if the mitten
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ain't a fitting, you best beacquitting. You can say that cute line
all you want, d Ruddy,a good defense. It doesn't make Let
me get the king here to thebar. Good to see you, Richie.
If you hear from him, youknow who to call. Come on.
That's interesting seeing all these dynamics playout in person before I got all
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of them in silos, usually ontheir own turf. I get the impression
to chat, and Sally really don'tget along all that well with Derek.
Open bar, drink whatever you wantas much as you want. Thanks to
you, Rudy. Jesus, youtwo. I got to ask, who
are you dressed up? Ass?What you can't tell? I shake my
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head. He's wearing wire rim glassesin a tan suit. To be honest,
Aside from the wire rim glasses,he looks the same as he always
does. Well, I'm David Rudolph, defense attorney, you know, from
the staircase. Terrek leads me pasthis staircase and over to the bar.
I need to go put your uncleAlfred away and mix it up with some
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of the other people. Have fun. Thanks. Hey, mister Presley,
what can I get for you?Hunt? Do you have any missileto malt
As a matter of fact, Ido. Derek did say that there'd be
at least one person who'd want it. Enjoy. I stand at the bar
looking around at the different clumps ofpeople. It's Halloween. Most of them
are dressed in black or dark colors. They actually kind of looked like clumps
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of coal scattered throughout Derek Ridolf's massivehome. A strobe light passes by,
blinds me for a second. Thesunglasses aren't helping, so I take them
off. I bleaped my eyes andwhen my vision comes back, Hi,
Richie, Hey, Princess jasper Oneand the same. Oh my gosh,
I thought you were going to theNorth Pole. I was, I did
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you did? Yes? And Ihave a lot to unpack. It's best
to travel light when you go up. There are lots of airports. The
train the dog sled easy to lose. I mean psychologically the elves, their
motivation, their commitment, their interelf dynamics. Oh so you know everybody
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here, right? Who's the mysteriousman in the corner? I look in
the direction she pointed, and Isee a guy who doesn't see to be
dressed in any sort of costume atall, unless he's trying to be McGruff
the crime dog. But no doghad no floppy ears. I think he's
kind of cute. I'm not surewho that is. Hey, you need
another one already? Well, actually, yeah, but who's the guy in
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the corner? There a mystery man? Yeah? Oh, that's a Detective
Ruff. Detective Ruff, how nothurt of him? Maybe because you weren't
listening. Princess Jasper is putting onblack lipstick. She straightens her shoulders,
tosses her hair back, and thencedreats seductively in the direction of Detective Ruff.
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Detective Ruff, huh, well,well see about that. These parties
always amuse me. People are alwayslooking to hook up. Ritchie Babe,
Doctor Abernathy, come on aren't weon a first name basis? By now
we've shared tacos and Margharita's egon doctorMyra Apper and Athy forensic psychologists. She's
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dressed as a witch. The tallpointed hat is just about eye level with
me, and as she bobs herhead, I occasionally have to weave out
the way so I don't get myeye poked out. Okay, how's it
going good? I've been listening toyour podcast. Really, I love it.
Your approach was so sweet and innocentuntil well, the turn, until
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the turn, But the turn waseasily understandable. The turn that we're talking
about takes place in season one,the Elf Day of Christmas titled Unboxing Day.
If you need a refresher, Soyou're still recording? I see,
Yeah, the story isn't over,is it? I guess not. I
mean he is still out there somewhere, so he hasn't called. He hasn't
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well, I imagine he won't ifhe knows how angry you are with him.
I shrug, take another sip ofbeer. Mayer is looking at me
in a very intense way. DoI do I have something on my face?
No? I just like looking atyou. Oh, thank you all,
I didn't weed that time. MaybeI should love the shades on a
few minutes longer. I'm so sorry, it's okay, really. She touches
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my face gently in her hand brushesup against the fake sideburns. I'm wearing
your costume. Let me guess whitesequence, oversized sideburns. She takes the
sunglasses out of my hands and placesit on my face again. These seventies
style shades and cute larger than lifeears. M you're elfish, presley,
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aren't you? How did you knowI pay attention? Richie? But do
you? Apparently I don't, Soyou're gonna make me do it? Then
make you do what? Ask youout? You need to smoke or something?
My god, you really are clueless. Ask you out, like on
a date date? Seriously, whowouldn't be asking if i' what are you
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drinking? Just sparkling water? Areyou high? No? Let's go out
with tacos and Margarite's. Don't youwant to? Well? Yeah, of
course I do. Awesome. Thenwe'll meet at Los Antos Tuesday. See
you do pay attention. Myro walksoff and I noticed my palms are sweaty.
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My face feels a little hot too. I might lose a sideburn,
but that's okay. More after thebreak. Careful with that one. Huh.
I turn to find someone in probablythe best costume here. If there's
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a costume contest tonight, you'll probablywin. What this whole thing? Huh?
I don't think we've met. I'mRichie, Billy. Nice to meet
you, Billy Grampus Crampas he nodshis head, you mean like the Crampus,
one of them. There's more thanone of you. Well, we
didn't appear out of than air.Had to be some banging going on to
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make us. I look at him. His legs are like that of a
goat, with broad cloven hoofs tappingon the floor this morn sway of the
music, and his tail swings behindhim. Sorry, I thought I thought
this was a Halloween costume. No, I have to dress up every day
the rest of the year to fitin Today. It's an easy day,
though. I did one to comeas a power Ranger, which one pink,
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but I couldn't get the hall wenton because my horns, could get
the pants on because of my tail, and couldn't cut the boots on because
of my hoofs. That's too bad. It is, isn't it. So
let me cut to the chase.I listened to your podcast. Oh wow,
thanks, it sucked. I meanuntil the end when you finally realize
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what a scumbag Santa is. Yeah. I've been trying to convince you people
of that for years. I reallyknow much abou because our PR people suck.
They almost suck as much as yourfirst dozen episodes do. Thanks.
But I'm excited to listen this year, and you know, I hear a
lot. I might be able tohelp you out with locating him. Seriously.
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Yeah, I'll put my horse tothe ground and see what I dig
up. That's awesome, Thank you. I think I want him back in
jail more than you two have funyou too? Oh, in here,
you get elf bio Max. Here'sa coupon for a free trial. My
brother Bobby's launching a new show onthere. It's like a late night talk
show. You'll get a kick outof it. At that point, Crampus
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kicks back against the bar, knockingover a picture of something. I gotta
quit doing that, all right,Billy, You've had enough go on now
see you. Then he galloped away, having fun elvish. How about we
turn on the game please. Derekgrabs a remote and flips a switch to
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the football game and I lean onthem. Are boss Cramps is taking a
big old dump in the yard?Jesus, Dear Gridolf runs off to clean
up another mess, and after amoment, a guy with an eyepatch sidles
up next to me. Nice costume. Let me guess you're a pirate.
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Shit, I didn't see you there. Sorry, I have an eyepatch.
Yeah, I can see that.That's why I asked if you're a dressed
as a pirate. That's actually notthe only reason. He's also wearing a
double brimmed hat, tight pants,long boots, and he's got a hook
for a hand. I look likea pirate to you. I mean kind
with the hook and everything. I'mjust holding this for a friend. You
look familiar. He turns and accidentallymarks everyone my beer. Shit, sorry,
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I have an eyepatch. We establishedthat it's fine. What do you
have, patch, Adams, Ihave a captain and coke? Please.
The strobe Blake swings by me andthis guy with the eyepatch, recognizing me
for a quick second, Wait aminute, you'll reach Buck. Yeah.
I like your Elvish Presley costume,so people do get it now. Rudolph's
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been over there telling everybody, Oh, you're Terry's nephew, aren't you.
You knew uncle Terry knew your uncleAlfred. Two good men, both of
them. Shame about Terry's back.I know I was going to have him
hunt down Santa how'd you know?I'm a big fan of your podcast,
left you a five star review WildHog sixty nine. Oh yeah, he
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said this is how justice will beserved in the twenty first century. That's
right, Thank you for that.Listen if you need a little help on
this, I mean hunting down SantaClaus and bringing him back to justice.
That'll be huge for my career.I've got some media kits out to networks.
Do you realize there are any showsthat feature one eyed bounty hunters on
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television? I didn't realize that we'vegot a niche product, you know,
and the Hunt for Saint Nick.We could make a lot of moolah.
I'm not really in this for themoney, neither am I. But it's
not a bad bye product. He'sright. After Santah's escape, I went
into a bit of a spiral.I mean, I was at a pest
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control convention, got the call he'drun missed the termites your night mixer,
and subsequently involuntarily left my job becauseof it. They fired me. I've
been doing odd jobs and living offthe podcast revenue thanks to our sponsors Better
Elf, Elf Escaped, Blabble andothers ever since. But I'd kind of
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like to have something other than ketchup sandwiches to eat. My boy went
to live with his mama, soright now it's just me and that damn
owl that hoots every time I gethome. What do you say? All
raises his hand. I give mea high five. What the hell,
let's find Santa Claus. He swingsand misses my hand and knocks over my
new gear. Gods, dang it, Sorry, I have an eyepatch.
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I gotta say, I've had funat the party and it's been beneficial.
I found a bounty hunter to helpme in the search for Santa. I
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met Crampus, who seems like hemight have some intel for us moving forward,
and he and got asked on adate. I'd call that a pretty
good Okay, everybody freeze, well, it was a good night, Detective.
Samantha Strong, Sheriff candidate. Electionday is right around the corner,
easy, detective, you think you'regoing to get any votes by shutting down
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people's fun. I believe in lawand order, and nothing about this seems
an order. Oh Richie, ElvishPressley, Yeah, Sheriff Bradley Duberry dressed
as the macho man Randy Savage appearsso many Strong, his beer s muffling
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his voice a little well, sheriffor macho man. Apparently what you won't
or can't like you're John? Ohyou, Well, we'll see whose tone
takes it at the ballot box.Don't go wrong vote for Strong. You're
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scary if you don't like, andthen I'm breaking news alert on the television.
Good evening everyone, I'm Jill McGillwith Action News here, breaking just
now into the Action News Studio astory that is sure to shock the nation.
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As a matter of fact, it'ssure to shock the world. Santa
Claus is dead. Santa Maybe aCriminal was conceived in the dugout of Grayson's
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