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So today we're going to do a little bit of a throwback to the
show Boston Legal. This show came out in like 2022
and 4, two and five or somethinglike that.
And it was on for a very long time, five seasons, which was

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pretty good. Also starred the great James
Spader. But yeah, this the show follows
this this law office in Boston, and it just follows how they
have some wacky cases and they just have some wacky lawyers
along with it. But it also has some very good

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and deep moments as well, very social climaty moments as well.
And it's one of my favorite shows of all time, not only
because of James Spader, but just the writing and just how
they've really made sure to mix in comedy and drama with this
legal firm. And so it's definitely one of my

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favorite shows of all time. And after we're done here, you
should definitely check it out. But some topics that we're going
to be talking, we're talking about this character named
Jerry, who has autism. He finds out later on that he
has autism, but he has autism. They also the people at the law
office call him hands because hekeeps his hands down by his

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sides at all times. And then he also has some like
verbal tics depending on what's kind of happening in one of the
clips. He's like Clippy clap or someone
typing. He didn't say that.
Bingo. And so we're going to talk about
autism as well as being in the workplace and having autism.

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What that means as you as someone who has autism working
in a place like that or as the employers and what that means to
them and what they can kind of do to not only take advantage of
that, of people who have autism,people who have a disability,
which is kind of gross once you kind of say it like that.

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But then also just the fact thatyou may not be able to move up
in your career because you may not have the social skills that
some others may have, even though you are working harder.
It happens. So with that, now it's anything
before we get into. It yeah, it's going to be a

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really good conversation for a lot of folks out in the
workforce. So instead of talking just
random stuff about autism, this or that, relationships, all
workforce based things, workforce trauma, what it is to
be neglected, to be pushed over,to be bullied, to be used,
Right. And then I think a big thing
we'll talk about is advocacy andhow to have someone to advocate

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for you, but also the shame. I think it's really cool, really
poignant. Poignant is maybe is the right
word Poignant. Yeah.
There's that. Spence brought this today amidst
all this autism stuff that's going on with RFK and all that.
And right. And so I'm not getting fucking
diagnosed. I just read a text from someone
Spence, I was telling you about,and they said, you know, they

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don't want to get fully assessedbecause of all the shit in the
world. And so, you know, maybe there's
a lot of scared and propaganda going on, but valid is what we
talked about on the pot is do you or do you not tell people
that you're autistic? So be a good conversation today.
A little trigger warning for a lot of folks that deal with a
lot of this stuff that I've dealt with like this outcasting,

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this is going to kind of be a fucked up episode, Magnificent
episode and shows you the real other side of like autism.
Not that nice stuff. The side on how people do
dislike us or maybe look down upon us or do maybe hold us less
than them. So it could be a little
triggering like that. That's all I know.
I felt in my emotions a couple times.
So let's get into it. Let's talk about some real shit

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today. Real shit, all right?
That reveals my involvement is typically the key variable in
the firm's winning a case. Bingo.
It was my research that was the determining factor in the
Simmons versus Orego Oil victory.
Not to mention 252 other cases because of my research.

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Bingo. But still, I'm wonder whether
the senior partners are aware ofmy contributions.
Jerry, you know I have a tremendous affection for my own
intelligence and even I think you are smarter than me.
Oh, I am. I'll see what I can find out.

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Jerry Espenson? You mean hands?
Not a chance. He's a weirdo, Denny.
He's not a weirdo. And he doesn't like to be called
Han. How could you not a peccadillo,
to be sure. We all have them.
I don't have any peccadillo. What's your name?
Denny. Denny Crane.
Ah, yes. My point is, Jerry Espenson
deserves to be made a partner. Would you at least let me have a
glance at his performance review, then?

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It's highly confidential. Just don't tell anybody where
you got it. It's not looking like a lock.
What's? The problem?
Generally it's poor people skills.
You mean I'm odd? Does it say in my file I'm odd?
No, Alan, I would appreciate candor here, even should you

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deem it hurtful. According to your file, you
vacation clients to feel uncomfortable.
Some have even expressed reservations about being alone
with you. So evidently you also once
pushed opposing counsel over some dispute.
He made fun of me, as conditioned as I've become to

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ridicule sometimes. So I'm out.
It's not over. Now I, I deserve this more than
Brad Chase. He cuts off a priest's fingers.
And I'll lose out because I pusha bully.
It's not right. It's not over, Jerry.

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I give you my word. I'll do what I can.
Hi, Brad. Hey, Jerry, how's it going?
I'm a. Little nervous about that
partner thing you. I can't say I'm not.
Got any indication? Now really, Paul seems to think
it looks good, but I certainly didn't help my chance.
Lewiston, he says it looks good for you.

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I couldn't make any promises. Did you mention how it looks for
me? No, we didn't really discuss
you. Do you ever?
I beg your pardon? Do people disgust me?
Do they talk about me being odd because of my behavior?
Jerry, everyone here knows you to be a fine lawyer.
That's all I've ever heard discussed.

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It's in my file that I'm violentbecause I pushed another lawyer
once. How do you know it's in your
file? I have a mole right here on my
neck. It's not like me to make a joke.
I hope it's in my file. I'm funny.
That's a good social skill. Excuse.

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Me, sorry to interrupt. I have an urgent announcement to
make regarding national security.
I don't think our country is being run very well.
That concludes the national security announcement.
Now, on the other business, I'm looking at a group of partners
in a world class law firm, each of whom owes some of their

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success to Jerry Espenson. When any of you is stumped and
you need someone who has an encyclopedic knowledge of the
law and the creative spark to know how to apply it, whose door
do you knock on? Mr. Shore, we appreciate your
input, but you are not a partner.
Yes, but that's only because I can't be trusted.
I have here the confidential report on Jerry Espenson, known

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to some of you who should know better as hands.
This report, while acknowledgingthat Jerry works very hard and
has an astute legal mind, also makes some veiled references to
inappropriate behaviour. But really, this is about money,
isn't it? And whether Jerry Espinson

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brings in enough. And don't we all just love our
money? You people must realize that
once the Rainmakers have broughtin the $1,000,000 accounts,
those clients expect excellent representation for their money.
And Jerry is a big part of what they're paying for.
My God, why isn't being brilliant enough?

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Why can't a lawyer be a valuableasset to this firm without being
a smiling Kendall with an aggressive handshake?
Does everyone in the firm have to be this guy?
Mr. Shore, you have no standing at this meeting.
We would like to ask you to leave, please now.
Jerry Espenson has given 15 years of his life to this firm.

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His work has been essential. How dare you invade the province
of a private partnership meeting?
I'm sorry, I didn't think an invitation was forthcoming.
There's a lot you don't know about the business of running a
law practice. Alan the 1st.
Rule. It's a business.
I understand that Shirley, but it's a service business.
You don't peddle widgets, you don't push stocks.
You sell your people. And as far as your people go,

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I'll take Jerry Espenson. Over.
Well, you need to hear it. I said nothing when you fired
Sally Heap, whose only infraction was to sleep with me.
I may not a peep when you definitely ushered Laurie
Coulson out of the firm. I even understood when you fired
Katherine Piper, a woman I profoundly adore.
I swallowed all of it because I know it's a business.
But to abuse a talented, selfless employee only because

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his social skills lack Polish toallow him to work tirelessly
under the delusion that he couldmake partner, a delusion you
carefully nurtured so as to makepiles of money off him in the
short term? That's a betrayal, surely not
just of Jerry, but of you and your character, which up till
now I have considered undeniablydecent.
Are you finished? No.
Jerry Espenson, no doubt. We'll go off quietly into the

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night, as the meek often do. But somebody around here has to
get angry about it, otherwise he'll just go off and blithely
do it again. We have not yet made a decision
concerning Jerry Espenson. When we do, I will call you
first to tell you it is none of your concern.
There's a saying, Shirley. Perhaps you've heard it.
All it takes for evil to succeedis for good people to say it's a
business. It's not enough.

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Where's my coffee mug? Surprise.
Oh no, look at that. Not enough.
It's not enough. It's not.
Enough. My initials on the briefcase.

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Nice touch Jerry, why don't you come on in?
Have a piece of cake. Yeah, I'll get them for you.

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No, I can do it. OK.
How's that, Shirley? Is that enough?
How about that? Is that enough?

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Is that look? Hands, I mean Jerry.
Everybody stand back. I'll kill her.
I swear I will kill her. I want to be made partner.

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I'm going to draw up an agreement and you're going to
sign it. Shirley.
We'll include a hold harmless clause for this assault, but
this is a crime. Hold harmless clauses are for
insurance and real estate, not for crime.
Don't say crime. We're just talking.
Here, it certainly won't cover attempted murder.
Don't say murder. You substandard first year go
pull the criminal law treat as a22 ALR 3rd 1228 reference cases
that hold extreme emotional conditions diminish one's

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responsibility for a crime you what do you think you're doing
going to get one of your guns? No.
Why would I do that one day I don't wear my sock holster.
Yo, substandard partner, get me Rosenberg versus Kaplan, 273
Mass 411. The fact that the case can be

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construed to uphold an employment contract even though
it's entered into under duress. Yo, hot secretary, that makes me
nervous. Get me a copy of the firm's
partnership agreement and prepare to make some changes.
Jerry, this is never going to work.
Wipe down, don't stand, go get. My guns.

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I'm calling the. Police which gun should I get?
No guns, just. Look at the damn cases.
Subsection one, upon his or her motion, named partner may
unilaterally reconsider the rejection of a senior associate
for partnership. Did you get all that?
Yes, Jerry. Please type it up.
Faculty Clark. What's going on?

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Hands went nuts. I found the cases you wanted.
They're excellent. Thank you.
Jerry, what are you doing? Taking matters into my own
hands. That's right, people.

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I said hands. See, I can be just as funny as
you jokesters. Why are you all?
Laughing. Don't do this Jerry.
Please stop now before this getstoo out of hand control.
I will help you like you did with the partnership.
You don't want to throw away an entire life's worth of work over

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one emotional outburst. I don't want to see the most
gifted legal mind I have ever encountered rotting in a prison
cell. I put down the knife, Jerry.

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Go on one condition. You represent me once I'm
arrested. I can't.
That's a conflict of interest. I don't care.
You know the firm can waive thatconflict, and I know that you'll
honor that waiver because if nothing else, you're a man of
your word. Make the deal, I'll.

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Represent you. Now hand me the knife.

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Oh everyone, this is the cake. I want for my birthday.
This is really good work. I assume it's clear to you now
why we couldn't make Jerry partner.

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I have to be with my client Jerry.
It's a relief, actually. You think I always hated that I
couldn't be normal, Turns out. This is where he finds out he

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has autism. Jerry, it's also a viable
defense. We just need the psychiatrist to
give you a diagnosis. Oh, no, no, no, no.
Jerry without a clinical diagnosis.
With a diagnosis in court, it'llbe a matter of public record.
I will be the autistic lawyer. Forget about disbarment.
No one will ever hire a mental case.

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Terry, listen, no that I. Certainly could never be a
lawyer again. No, no, no, no.
Asperger's Syndrome What? I wasn't familiar with it
either, but these three highly regarded psychiatrists have
heard of it, and they're all convinced Jerry Espenson suffers

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from it. It doesn't change anything.
It actually changes a lot, according to the Americans with
Disabilities Act. It changes Jerry Espenson from
an oddball who attacked his bossto a man who has suffered his
whole life from a form of behavioural autism.
It also changes your case from awinner to a loser.

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What are you looking for? Dismiss the charges.
No, there's no reason to prosecute this man.
Surely you must have something to say about this.
I do. I'm sorry Jerry has autism, it
explains a lot, but what's to stop him from doing it again?
From attacking someone else or worse.
Because he wants to get better. There's medications that can

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help control his outbursts, Behavioral therapy to
rehabilitate his social skills, occupational therapy for his
ticks. It's what's fair and what's
right. Would you excuse us please?

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Surely in the time that I've known you, I've never seen you
do what you're doing now. You said to me at the outset you
were looking for justice. Jerry Espenson has been
suffering needlessly his entire life.
Now he has a chance to find a measure of peace.
That's Justice Shirley, isn't it?

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You'll get him help. My word,
it's over. It is, Jerry.

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It's best you leave now. Shirley's largesse will only go
so far. I just, I don't.
I want to. Goodbye, Alan.

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That's right. Stop eating beef people.
It doesn't matter if fucking fish is all contaminated.
It's got mercury and shit in it.Oh.
My God, Spence. It ain't nothing.

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My dad said that he was watchinghis fucking news video or
something like that on the. News and said the guy was he was
super happy. He went to the fish market, got
his salmon. This is going to be gross and
right. He was cooking the right
massaging and oiling and oven shit and one of the
motherfucking maggots. Shot out of that bitch.
One of them worms. I I see those posts all the time

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and like and I'm just like, whendid you fucking buy that shit?
I know. Like OK, maybe it was brand new
and like maybe there was a baby,but.
It's a worm. I have a hard time believing
that. I, I don't know, yeah.
I don't know. The fuck up thing is, is Pops
was like dry heaving in the car and I said you know what, we
should buy some salmon. I need that shit.

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We had salmon like 2 days later,but he had all that shit.
Yeah. You got to.
You got to all right. That was a random tangent.
Yeah, but back to the main traffic of the of the day.
Yeah, of course the Boston. So like I said before, Boston

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Legal follows this firm called Crane Pool and Schmidt and it
just deals with high-priced world of civil litigation where
smarmy Alan Shore feels at home.Loose cannon Danny Crane has the
run of the plays while other members of the firm try with

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often dismissal results dismal to keep him in check.
So the main focus of the show isdefinitely going to be James
Spader and then also William Shatner.
They both are like the outcast of this law firm.

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They're the weirdos, right? Danny Crane, he's very
outspoken. He's a Playboy, he has guns,
he's conservative, while Alan Shore is a lot more progressive.
And he's also a very just poignant speaker when it comes
to any type of just case that hehas anytime in the show, at

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least one time. And I think every episode, maybe
a few that there weren't Alan Shore always ends like with like
the the long speech that really takes the cold case home and
then he wins the case. Usually he wins the case.
There are some episodes where hedoesn't win the case, but he

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usually wins the cases. And always.
Wins. Of course.
Of course. Yeah, because they're a ton of
black lawyers in the show. Yeah, I didn't see one fucking
brown person. There's a few.
There's a few. There's not many.
There's probably not many. Very few, actually.
One of the guys, Gary Anthony Williams, who plays, who plays,

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what's his face from the boondocks, Uncle Ruckus, he's
been there. He's in there for a few seasons.
And then also Kerry Washington. They just have like a whole like
I can name off. Like I think I remember her
being like, yeah, there's a lot in there.
A lot. There are a lot of celebrities.
I mean, Taraji P Henson, Tom Selleck, Michael J Fox, just a

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whole bunch of. There was a white lady from
Modern Family, whoever whatever her name is.
Exactly. Rona Mitra Mitra, who played in
the Underworld movies as well, was in there too for a while.
But yeah, like I said, bunch of celebrities and things like that
and just a great show overall. Now, the character that we're

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mainly speaking about today, Jerry, was introduced, I
believe, in the second season, which we're currently in.
And he is a character who they call hands right before they
called hands because every time you see him, he has his hands on

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his legs. No matter what, always has his
hands on his legs. And this was before autism was
as big as it was now. So if you wanted to get a
diagnosis of autism, you would have to go to the like a very,

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very minor like special specialist.
Because they're probably specialist.
Yeah, sorry. Specific and they did not have a
lot of those back then so you really had to pay a lot of money
to do that. And so the first thing that we
watch Jerry, he wants to be, he wants to be a partner for Crane

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Pool and Schmidt, but he's running into, and this is
actually, it's not only that, but this is the last time that
he can actually become a partner, the last year.
Oh, I didn't know that. OK, yes.
That was the last year. That's why he's pushing so hard
because this is the last time hecan actually be a partner and

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he's not understanding why. He knows that he has quarks, but
he's not really understanding why he is not being chosen for
this position. And and he goes to Alan who is
very outspoken, who goes againstthe grain of like the whole law
firm and he just wants to have answers.

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And so he goes to Alan. And I like this part because not
all the time we get to have advocates, but when we do have
advocates for our side, especially when they're in the
same industry slash business company, he can really help us
out and give us a voice, especially for those who aren't

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listened to. And so now since Jerry isn't
being listened to by anybody, hegoes to Alan because he knows
that people will listen to him and he has a very loud voice.
Respect. They respect him, man.
Yes. They they, they respect him, but
at the same time they're also like.
He's a piece of shit. You're kind of an asshole, yeah,

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and he's not a partner either. No, he got the house vibe.
He kind of got the asshole housevibe.
Got an asshole vibe? Definitely, yeah.
So today we're going to be talking specifically about
autism in the workplace. So you work with, you know,
especially in the past, you've worked with a lot of students,

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people who haven't gotten jobs yet, but they want to.
What is your what was your advice to some of your students
who are going into the workforcewho have autism that may not be
outspoken, that may not have an advocate for them?
Like what was your advice for some of those people or some of

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the students that you had? If they're more like this guy
where the social skills are a little lacking, it's a lot of
practicing the interview skills and which mean you've talked
about on our own stuff. It's about making sure they're
going calm and cool and collecting and regulating
themself before the interviews and making sure that they're

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doing it with follow-ups afterwards to see if they can
get some advice. I'm talking to same shit that I
preach for myself. One of the biggest things is
don't get down on yourselves. Don't get down on yourself,
don't get down on yourself. Don't tweak out, don't tweak
out. Also have your little care
package if it's in person. So do you need to take a little
little thing to stem with in your pocket?

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Do you need to make sure that your Cologne or lotion is good?
That way you can smell it? Do you need to have a mint or a
cough drop in? So I'm making sure they got
little small things because we're not talking like low
support needs type by we're talking like, you know, mid to
moderate needs, right? There's some social dysfunction
regulation. I got a lot of those on my
caseload right now. And so being able to regulate

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and calm, do not fucking white out in a conversation and just
be yapping about random shit, right?
They got to be on tasks. It's a lot about reading the
room, doing their best. You try to get in some of those
micro expressions that other people are giving off.
It's a lot of different things, Spence.
The biggest thing is ground yourself, ground yourself,
ground yourself and then see consultation as much as

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possible. Much as possible.
Consultation. Nice.
Yeah. And all along with that, I would
also have to say, yeah, just make sure that yeah, you're
prepared. I mean, a lot of times when we
think about just job interviews are like, I'll just rattle off

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all the things I have on my resume and never comes up.
They never ask those. Like sometimes they ask some of
those questions. They ask like, hey, tell us
about you and like what you've done in your experience.
But they also ask those other questions, how like, what can
you bring to our company? How can you make us more money?

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How can you get us to another level?
And a lot of the times we don't think about those questions.
We think about like, oh, I've already done this, this, this.
OK, So what are you going to do for us in the future?
I don't know. I don't know.
I never thought about it. And then that's when we get
choked up, and then we start rattling off random.

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Stuff. Random bullshit.
And then they're like, Nope. And then the stuttering happens
and then you start losing it andnext thing you know, you're like
full crash out. Practice, practice, practice
ground. You know, I'm all for using shed
GBT to help you research the place and possible questions for
that field. It's a lot of different things
going into going into the. Workforce.

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Scary time to be going into the workforce, man.
Scary, scary, scary time. So I for a second, let's.
Pause for a second. Go ahead with the use of AIA.
Lot of people want to use it as a crutch and things like that,
which I understand. I understand why they don't want
that, but it's also a helpful tool for those who just know

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what they want to say, but they just can't express it.
And I think that's a, I think that's a great thing to use.
Honestly. It's like sometimes I know
exactly what I want to say, but my mind goes in like 80
different places and sometimes Ijust can't nail down what I want

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to say. And so, hey, I've, I've used
ChatGPT to be like, write this out for me and it does and it
does it quick. I don't have to think about it
anymore. Boom, done.
I had a client actually kind of crash out on me the other day.
Spence about like, you know, andI, I agree with all of his
statements that, you know, it's using a ton of energy, it's

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using a ton of water, this and that right.
And I was like, I get that argument.
I 100% get it. And also so many people are
using it. I'm not not just strictly
advising using it, but for this folks with disabilities.
So you can use all the other shit you want, but as soon as it
comes to me being disabled now, I don't you don't use that.
If not for ChatGPT and AI to help me write and read, I would

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not have this entire practice. I would not have a PhD.
I wouldn't fact mean you would not have this podcast running as
as efficiently as it is right now.
Well, I wouldn't my wording is is bad.
The thoughts and feelings and all that, the things that we
filled out, the contracts that we've done, the trademark filled
out. Like there's so much where AI

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had to help me write things. The intelligence is there.
And so I have clients that suck at e-mail Spence that can't
write. I had a client today call me or
no, I called them. I was like, hey, we're not going
to do this via e-mail because I need to talk to you.
So I call him up and I said, Nas, can you write this up for
me? I said, honey, I can't write
this up for you. Normally I do and I'll send

(35:07):
people things that send to the doctors, this and that, but this
was a very specific thing that Ididn't want to put on the
Internet and send via e-mail very crucial information.
I said, so write this down. Have chance you be cleaning it
up for you. Send it.
I have clients that send me. I have a client that just texted
me now say hey man do you mind if I send you this application
stuff for grad school? I run it by you.
I said sure, I'm running by, youknow, I might not be able to

(35:31):
write, motherfucker, but I sure can read and I know if
something's good or not. So AI, I'm a fan of it.
Grammarly all throughout grad school, That's AI G.
IGPT helps me write, focus, do my notes, create things for
documents for security and HIPAAcompliance.
I'm for it. I get some of the bad things

(35:52):
about it. I get that it's taking a lot of
information and going to end up taking jobs.
I, I, I get that. And also I need to live and I
need to support others and I need to help others not die.
And this is a sacrifice that I believe that I have to make.
And if people hate me for it, I told the client, I say, hey,
guy, I'm not going to quit. I can't.
You're more than welcome to findanother therapist, my guy.

(36:12):
Good luck finding another. Arab.
Good luck finding another Arab that you fuck with, Just saying.
Yeah, they're staying with me, motherfucker.
Yeah, and I get. Your white lady motherfucker,
you can get one. Go ahead, Spence.
There are plenty out there. There are.
Plenty out there. Yeah, I mean, I've had people
who like who have challenges just even doing health

(36:34):
insurance. Yeah, health insurance, it's
some. It's not an easy thing to do.
It's not to fill it. Out to know the verbiage you
have to know what you're signingup for and it's hard to do and
sometimes you don't have people to help you walk you through
those things come on man and so using AI to be like hey what's

(36:56):
the best yeah what's the best plan that I need to get
healthcare and it'll be like oh pick this one these are for your
needs all right there you go like oh that's easy simple 2
seconds boom. I agree.
I see a lot of people on the Internet, Spence.
You know a lot of therapists, Chad GBT you shouldn't be using
that for your therapy I've had. Clients.

(37:18):
That use it when they can't talkto me at the school because it's
once every four fucking weeks. And it actually.
Did a pretty good job of talkingto some of my kids.
It really did like it was spot online and they would send me
the screenshots of the conversation so I could go over
it. They would right?
And they were saying some wild shit, but you had GGB was locked
in. I'm like, all right, all right.

(37:38):
Hey, man, what are you going to do?
People can't afford this shit. People can't travel to this shit
if you're using the tool for good reasons.
I get the environment stuff. I get the data collection shit.
Yeah. They already collected nugget
data anyways they already I meanit's going to happen you.
Know that doesn't matter literally Google has been it's

(37:58):
hilarious because Google talks about how like Oh yeah, nobody
ChatGPT. I'm like, A, you have your own
AI service they choose, and thenB, you've been collecting data
for years, however fucking long now, forever.
They were like, yeah, we'll get rid of cookies.
That's it. We're getting rid of cookies.
They never did it because they're no, why would they?
They have no plan to do that. Motherfucker, we all got

(38:19):
diabetes. They keep giving us cookies.
Motherfuckers. Chocolate chips.
I love me. I love the macadamia ones.
I don't even know what a macadamia is.
I love this shit. I'll be honest with you, I had
this Dolce de leche Milano hoodies.
Man. Fucking bomb the shit.
It was like coffee caramel, and then it was like macadamia or

(38:43):
something or white chocolate in there.
Mulatto women too. You know mulatto.
Hepard's fan, Hepard's family members.
Anyways, next scene. Well, wait a minute, that scene,
that first scene. Sorry.
So that was a really good pivot about AIA lot helps a lot of
people with jobs, all that stuff.
Yeah, awesome. Love it.
Do your thing. Go, go, go get your fucking

(39:03):
money. Help yourself out in this scene.
He talks about it gives them that contract and all that shit
in this scene, right? And he said, what do they do?
They call me hands. Isn't that the scene?
This is it. So this is a very good scene to
see how on how shamed he is in the office and how much they
shit on him was just it says this or that, right?
And I got no social skills. And it's like, hey man, you had

(39:26):
some fucking outbursts and you had some other shit that was
kind of concerning. That was actually hilarious.
Oh, that's a. Different scene.
OK so this is the one where he says I'm the bad ass that does
all the good research. I deserve the promotion,
correct? So he's trying to advocate how
good his mind is. So this was the scene.
I love it because he's like, motherfucker, I, I'm smart.
I won 529 fucking cases for these fuckers.

(39:48):
Yeah. He remembers the cases I love it
of. Course he does.
He said the statistically. Algorithm based on all the cases
we've done. I'm the biggest part of it.
I love that. I did that at the office fence
and my performance review and then fucker still shit on me.
They still shit on me is what itis.
Let's keep it moving. Yeah, in the next scene, it's

(40:14):
Alan talking with Denny Crane. Denny Crane.
And he wants to get the file from Danny Crane because he
wants to know exactly what what's.
In it. Yeah, what's happening?
What's in it? What are they saying about him
behind his back? And of course, Danny Crane's

(40:36):
like, look, don't tell anybody Igave you this, all right?
Don't do it. And everybody, of course,
already knows because that's hishomeboy.
So why wouldn't he give it to him?
But he's also being, once again,he's being Jerry's advocate,
right? He didn't just say he was going
to do something and not do it. He actually went out of his way,

(40:58):
talked to somebody whose name ison the door, and wants to make
sure that Jerry gets his fair shake when it comes to being a
partner. Because this is the last time
he's actually able to be a partner at AT.
Law firm, yeah. At the law firm.
And so I like the scene because we always, we don't always, like

(41:26):
I said, have those advocates in our lives.
And I feel like Alan is such a outspoken person that he will
get shit done for you, even if it goes against all the odds
that it will actually happen. And even Denny Crane is like.
He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo.

(41:47):
And, and that's, and, and I likethat about Danny Crane because
he speaks. He speaks how it is.
He's like, we all think he's a weirdo while everybody else is
just like, no, it's, you know, he just doesn't have the social
skills, AKA he's a weirdo. When they say that they're being
PC and they're telling you you're a weirdo.

(42:10):
You're different. You're not going to be the same
as us once they say those certain terms that, yeah, that
code that they have for saying you're never going to be like
us, just so you know. And yeah, I think that's a
conversation that I know that businesses will never have that

(42:34):
conversation with people. But a lot of the times when we
want that criticism about what we do, say, for instance, when I
don't get a job, I don't want tohear, well, you know, we just
went into a different direction.What the fuck does that even
mean? What?
What do you what direction? How do I get better?

(42:56):
How do I get better? What did that go wrong?
Tell me. Yep.
Or that I got clients that do this, Spence.
And it's not just jobs, it's internships, it's relationships.
It's trying to be a friend. And you know, what did I do
wrong? Do you even know why they broke
up? Or do you even know why they
don't want to hang up? And all my clients, I don't
know. And like, why didn't you used to
have friends? I don't know why because they

(43:17):
would never come up. I did.
I did. They would never never happened.
And I don't know what is so horrible with me, What is so
grotesque about me that I can't even hang out with these.
It's a horrible place to be, therejected place.
And Denny Crane, it was interesting, Spence, he said, I
thought he said the Rain Man, but he said the rain maker.

(43:38):
So he's not making it rain. Spence said this when the pre
production that he's not bringing in enough money.
So maybe it's just social skills, but I bet you if he was
bringing in more money, then maybe they could override some
of those social idiosyncrasies. Maybe right.
But since he's not bringing enough and he's weird and it's
not enough. I think it's also the fact that,

(43:58):
and we learn later on obviously,that like they, they find him
weird. But.
He's getting everything done andI am so curious about that money
part because he gets the cases done, he gets them done.
So it's like, does that mean that, you know, when they have

(44:20):
like, you know, charities or anything like that, he's just
not schmoozing enough. He's not being as charismatic as
these other guys. And so they're like, we'll stick
with you. So I don't think he's getting
enough of the cases when it comes to you like them hiring
right off. But when it comes to the
underwriting and doing all the research, then he's the one that
maintains the cases. So right, they're just saying

(44:42):
you're not bringing in, you're not selling the cars, but I'm
the one that does all the work that keeps people at the firm.
So that's what, you know, we endup seeing in a later moment
where homeboy ends up saying, hey man, this mother fucker is
doing a lot. This is who you go to, right?
That encyclopedia, It's being undervalued and devalued because
he's not bringing in high profile cases, because he's not

(45:03):
smooshing up, which we'll get tothe next scene.
Interesting thing about this scene is music, you know.
Hands, right. He calls them hands again.
He's like, wait a minute, wait aminute, you got weird pecadillos
too. And he's like, no, I don't.
He's a well, it was something about your name Denny Graham,
right? So he always says his name in

(45:24):
that weird way. Yeah.
So. A lot of people got these
interesting pecadillos. I would say the Spader guy, he
comes off very autistic as well on the show.
Yeah, Yeah. And then Danny comes off very
ADHD. Yeah.
And that's kind of the thing also is that they went really

(45:47):
out of their way to make Jerry look like autistic, like very
autistic. While I think if it was made
nowadays, I think Alan would definitely be autistic.
They would definitely say he's autistic.
He's definitely autistic coded. And then you got Jerry, which is

(46:07):
more moderate. Autism that you're seeing,
right? And we use very autistic, right?
Because we're like talking shit,but it comes off way more
autistic than the other. But both of them are equally
autistic, just different interesting things.
But this is what it looks like in the real world, my guys.
Whatever it looks like, it's notall that shit you see on TV,
right? This is like the real shit the
the Jerry guy, the. Good autism.

(46:28):
Yeah, the, the way I'm telling you, the hands thing, I I told
Spence I had a client that always had their hands on their
legs, Man, that was a real thing.
And that's how I was like, I think you're autistic kids.
Like, no you're not. I like you.
Ever heard of Denny Crane? Denny Crane.
The kids like what the fuck are you talking about you
millennial? No, 2004, I wasn't born yet.

(46:49):
They probably. Weren't but yeah, let's.
Get to the next thing because this is where it really starts
to heat up. Yeah, yeah.
So obviously Ellen gets the folder, tells all about Jerry's
outbursts in his history and whyhe's not being a partner,
essentially. And so they have this

(47:10):
conversation, him and Jerry, andJerry just doesn't understand.
And Alan tries to explain, like,you're not bringing in enough
money. And also you've had outbursts
where people don't even want to be in the same room as you.
Yikes. That's pretty.

(47:31):
That's tough. Yeah.
Which he explains. Somebody was being a bully and
so he pushed them. Yeah, that was a different
thing. Yeah.
I mean, it was a different incident, but it was.
Also one of. Those things in his file that
says why he's not going to be promoted because he has
outbursts and so. Poop on somebody.

(47:51):
Yeah, and somebody who's also had some outbursts at the
workplace because I don't like how people are sometimes because
they want to act a certain way. I, I get Jerry's point of view
because we've all had like I've had that moment where you're

(48:15):
saying something to somebody, but they're not listening to it.
So the only way that they can hear you is through you being
louder, you being more aggressive.
And unfortunately that's how I, that's how I tried to solve

(48:36):
those problems, but it just mademe look like I was fucking
psychopath. And so, you know, I've learned
from that. I, my outbursts are way less
now. But at this I understand Jerry,
and especially if you're gettingbullied, because sometimes

(48:56):
people don't see the secondary action.
They only see the first. They only or no, they only see
the. Secondary, they don't.
See the first because somebody could be an asshole to you and
then you go what the fuck? And they see that.
And you get caught, and then you're now the troublemaker.
That's the way the flag comes in.
Yes. And so I understand Jerry in

(49:20):
that aspect. You know, he took it to a whole
other, he took it to a whole other realm in the later scene
that we'll watch. But I I do get Jerry's point of
view. He said he couldn't take it
anymore, Spence, He said, hey man, I put up with a lot of
shit. I put up with shit through.
I hear everything you guys saying.

(49:41):
I know you're and you're you're paranoid.
No, no, no. I put up with a lot of bullying
throughout life, he says. And.
Then sometimes it's just too damn much.
Sometimes someone goes too far, someone said something too
stupid to him, overwhelmed him, and he popped and he pushed that
individual right. And you can tell for him, that
doesn't show a lot of emotion throughout the entire episodes

(50:05):
You showed me, says clips. You showed me, even at the very
end, not a lot of emotion, Spencer.
Like he wanted to sit, like it would have been a time for him
to hug the other guy, right? To tear up.
And then he just leaves. And that was an emotional moment
because that's very true to, like a lot of autistic folks.
It's just not a lot. But that just a little bit is a
lot. And he must have been

(50:27):
infuriated. You know, people may feel
uncomfortable with him because of his straightforwardness.
Maybe he feels awkward in his body.
So that makes them feel awkward in their body.
You see in other scenes where we'll talk about it, he gets his
body. He's a little bit too close to
people and right on them right is it's a lot of stuff and a lot
of neurotypicals could be like, this is fucking weird and

(50:50):
uncomfortable. It's got to suck.
I can't. As we get into these other
episodes, like you said, Spencer's layered it to where it
just gets better and better and better.
I know a lot of you feel like this.
I would love for you to know. Thank you for the comments that
we get on Spotify and on the clips on Instagram.

(51:10):
What were those moments when youwere like?
I wonder what the file says on me.
If there is imaginary file, I wonder what you think the file
says to say. They're inappropriate since
they're weird, unkempt, not friendly, not sociable enough,
super stoic, too much of something.
I wonder what you think that file says and why people judge

(51:31):
you. Me and Spencer already know what
our files are, but I wonder whaty'all think.
So let us know in the comments what you think Sir.
Keep them. Right.
All right, Next thing, Jerry actually goes up to Brad, who's
up for a partner. I still don't even think Brad's

(51:51):
been there that long. He's definitely has not been
there 15 years like Jerry has. And so he's up for it and he's
going to he's going to get it. And he's pretty much just Jerry
is going up to him just being like, So what have you heard?
What's what's going on here? And of course, Brad's like, you

(52:11):
know, anyway, pretty much got this in the bag.
And he brings up that he knows what's in his file, Jerry.
And Brad's like, how do you knowwhat's in your file?
He was like, I have a mole. See, I have a mole right here,
right here. I have a mole.

(52:33):
Jokes that'll help me be social.And then he walks away.
This seem really gets to how Jerry is like he's or he's right
up on Brad. And of course Brad's just like
pays him no minds because A he'sused to him and then B, he's

(52:57):
also just like he's not going tolike some people may find it
like, especially when you're getting that up close to
somebody, like you're trying to intimidate them.
Yep, Yep, right. And with Brad, he's in the
military. He's you know, he's probably
been an athlete. He's he's not intimidated like
that. The only person that actually

(53:17):
intimidates him is Alan Shore because he's just so fucking
caddy. And also he's very smart.
He will. He outsmarts like a lot of
people. And I was with, so you had a
story about how somebody you were working with said that they

(53:42):
wanted the patient to have more jokes and be a little bit more
sarcastic and things like that. You explain that and like, why
is that? Like why is that probably not
the best strategy? It was interesting.
Yeah, man, it was. It was actually in I sense I
want to get an autism assessment, which I've done a
million times. And in this one, though, talked
about certain things to work on.And maybe my client said

(54:04):
specific things, but they put down certain things I felt that
were kind of like hurtful. And it's a good person I know
who did the test, right? I trust them.
I've talked to them, consulted with them.
Before but to put down right needs to work on eye contact and
me and the kid read it off. He's like why?
Like no, I don't want to work onthat.
I was like I don't know if we need to.
He has friends, he's socializing, good community.

(54:28):
Right gets along at work, but inthere talked also about social
skills, interpersonal skills, reciprocity and dialogue.
My clients not a yapper. They're not.
They're not someone that just overrides.
Everyone says understanding jokes and like sarcasm.
My client understands jokes. We're joking around all the
time. They may not react to those
jokes like everyone else, but they understand them.

(54:51):
My clients also not very jokey and so maybe the file wants me
to have them a more peppy, jovial mood.
I feel like it would be interesting to consult about
this case that I got recently about this test.
But social skills are one thing.I got a lot of clients that were
want to work on social skills ormodifying their behavior on

(55:13):
others like him, right? He gets really close to Brad.
He's kind of up on him. He seems almost neurotic.
So a lot of autistic folks will seem neurotic, very obsessive,
very OCD, right? Women will maybe more present
like this more often or like helicopter, very anxious, very
hovery. This isn't all autistic.
So I'm just saying this is a presentation of some.

(55:36):
And then we see him make this joke.
And we had Rebecca on when we talked about the account, and we
talked about how sometimes we put our foot in our mouth.
And so he knows that he said something inappropriate because
he doesn't like the lie and he'sjust saying the truth.
So then he's like, oh, shit, I'mgoing to get spayed.
What's the guy, Alan? Alan in trouble.
And he doesn't want to get. And then he makes the mojo.

(55:58):
It's on my neck. Right?
And he's like, social skills. Yeah, social skills.
That thing was very relatable. You say something stupid, you
try to back pedal out of it, andthen you just think about how
fucking stupid you are for the next 32 days and how much you
suck and how much you're not a normal and how much you're
always going to say dumb shit. And so that little social

(56:18):
interaction spent. So I wanted to keep that in
there. That will ruin someone's day,
week, month. Because it's more proof that
they suck. It's more proof that they're not
funny. It's more proof that they are
awkward. And also, he's pretty much
finding out that Brad's going toget this shit.
The Golden Boy, good looking white guy, nice hair, jawline,

(56:39):
muscular, you know, firm handshake.
They say later on. And it's like, how do you match
up to that? How does my clients stutters,
stammers, Tourettes, anxiety, maybe queer identified, maybe
super nerdy. Many of them, not all, but many
of them have poor handshakes andpoor like human contact right.

(57:01):
You put it out there and it's kind of like they don't even do
it or it's just very limp noodle.
I hate fucking shaking hands because my big ass right?
I always fuck it up and I alwaysget everyone goes in super
strong. I mean, and then they crush me
every fucking time I should crush them.
They end up crushing me. I don't know how to handshake
man. I'm supposed to go like that?

(57:21):
Yeah, I know. I got to shoot it in there.
That's my thing is I don't even shoot it in there.
I don't even pay. Attention to it just like moving
around looking for. Cradle the balls, what the fuck
are you doing? I'm just down there fondling
instead of shooting it in. Wait a minute, let's get.

(57:41):
Out of here sexually, yeah. Anyways, you know.
Let's get out of here. Why won't I go in anyways?
Jesus. Christ.
That's why all my clients be like handshake.
I'm like, no, you're getting a fist bump, you're getting a
fist. Bump.
It's easy. It's easy.
It's so much easier to fist someone.
Also fuck up. Jesus Christ.

(58:06):
Also when it comes to social interactions, especially when it
comes to like for me with guys, it's a lot easier to do it like
either bump, handshake or DAP upone of the two, right?
But when it comes to like women,like my guys girlfriends and

(58:27):
stuff like that, that's a tough one for me.
I usually try to do a fist bump.If they go in for a hug, I'll go
in for a hug, but I'm not the first one to go in for.
You have to come in for the hug first.
Me, I'm not doing that and I'll either do a fist bump or I'll
just do like a wave. Hi, how are you?

(58:48):
Depends on which one and I, I usually wait for them to move
before I do because it's, I don't want it to be awkward.
And also, you know, I, you know,when it comes to like my
friend's girlfriend's, I'm like.And as a dude right too, you got
to know those boundaries. Same thing in the office fence.
As a dude, you got to know your thing.

(59:09):
Yeah, and when it comes to the office, I'm just like, yeah, hi,
nice to see. I'm not going in for hugs and
shit. Yeah, right.
And it's just even some friends,you know, you got to know how to
maneuver certain things, where you got to know your gender, you
got to know your intersections and how they may be presented to
others. It's like I told you, I got shit
on and I'm it is what it is. I told you like a month or two

(59:32):
ago, a month ago, I was told that one of the reasons why I
didn't get one job is because I made a comment and I made a
comment on someone's hair. I thought it was a very innocent
thing. I saw them in a Zoom meeting in
the interview. It looked like it was dirty
brownish right vibe right And then it's not dirty, but dirty
brown, our dirty blonde. I think it's.
Called, yeah, it was dirty and Iwent nasty, but you look like

(59:54):
you smell like eucalyptus, you fucking hippie.
She gave off a hippie vibe. I know.
And then we met in person, right?
I'm talking, everyone's being nice.
And I said, oh, you look a little bit different than what I
thought. And everyone just pauses like,
Oh my God. I was like, what?
This is fine. They're like, what do you mean
by that? And I was like, oh, you have red
hair. And they're like sexist.

(01:00:15):
I'm like God, fuck me. So I got.
That was one of the knocks on me, which is wild, something so
innocent. And I did fabulous with everyone
else in the interview, the queercommunity, trans community, the
black community. But with this one white
individual, I made a comment, right?
And you know, I maybe made some other inappropriate comments

(01:00:35):
too, about funny stuff about my people, my race, because there's
a lot of Hispanics there as well.
But I guess I made this person uncomfortable and where I came
off like a dirtbag and it's whatit is.
The funny thing is Spence in this interview, the.
Funniest thing is when we were going for a walk the director
literally farted three times on our walk and I didn't say

(01:00:56):
nothing. It's like but I'm inappropriate
but he shit on me. Literally shit on me and we're
just playing it off. I'm like, could you stop duding?
Stop it, it smell. What's your heat?
I know bro, it's horrible. They need a spinach.
It's just interesting, man, these autistic situations and

(01:01:17):
these idiosyncrasies and how to get along, how to play along,
how to fit in, how to hold your hands.
Being Spencer did a whole thing about hands during Talladega
nights, right when like, what doI do with my.
I don't know what to do. Yeah.
And it's it's tough, man, at being normal and a human in a

(01:01:39):
setting is tough. No, it's like we say not to mask
a lot, but you got to do it. Oh, you got to do it in certain
situations. You got a code switch?
Yes. Yeah, you have to.
And it's unfortunate, but that'sjust the world we live in.

(01:02:00):
And sometimes you just, you haveto like really close your mouth.
Like there's so many times I just want to say some dumb shit
in either like in a meeting or just like in an interview, you
just want to say some dumb shit.Then like I'm just like they
can't see all of me. They can't see all of who I am

(01:02:21):
or else still not hired. This would be wrong.
But then it's it. But then the other way around is
that then they don't see how charismatic you are.
They don't see all the like. You can be the other side of
what you can be. It's like you don't have to be
professional all the time, like,and you don't want to come off

(01:02:42):
as just being professional all the time because people don't
want to work with somebody who'sprofessional.
All the time. All the time.
Then you have to find the middleand it just.
You know how many times I've been told like I come off like a
asshole and arrogant and a know it all?
I've been told so many times. Which that's what they that's
what they say they want all the time.
All the time this was at work, this is it.

(01:03:03):
Just meeting new people, like I'll go on like this, meeting
new people, this rant about something that I know of.
And they're like, oh, yeah, I hated you at first.
I've heard that so many times. And like, I get to know you and
you're like the best human ever.Like what you hated was the
autism. And then you fell in love with
the autism because you didn't like when I was saying my
special interests are going off on a tangent.

(01:03:24):
But then you see the humanity inme and you're like, oh, I love
that. And I think a lot of adults hate
it. Oh, my God.
Pivot real quick, Spencer. I realized something's very
true. People have been telling me this
for years. I just recently got some clients
that were younger. I got a 13 year old boy.
I definitely have the personality of a 13 year old

(01:03:46):
boy. It's been confirmed I have the.
Humor and personality of a 13 year old because we I've never
gotten along better with a client my entire life than this
13 year. Old boy I.
Think we've I've known this for a long.
Time I. Think you're the only one that
was holding out on You're like no.
I was like, I told him I was like, do I need to start hanging
out with 13 year olds? She's like, no, you pervert.
And I was like, yeah, yeah. Might look a little weird.

(01:04:10):
Grown ass bearded man. Hey kids, how you doing?
Do you like some chocolate? He won Legos.
Why? Yes, Yes, I.
Do go figure, after all these years, I finally found my
population I never aged out of like middle school.
Boy, that's. Great.
I'm happy. That makes sense.
I found it. I found.

(01:04:31):
I found my people. I'm.
Glad they should be of age, but hey, what are you going to do?
Talk about video games together.I'm like, are we best friends
you? Want to play for?
Me, you know I. Love the new scams.
I know, I'm sorry. Let's keep a moving.
Yeah. All right.

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In this next scene, Alan is talking to all of the partners
because they are adjourning to see who is going to be the next
partner. Obviously it's going to be, it's
going to be fucking. It's always Brad.
And and so Alan goes off on thiseloquent speech.

(01:05:12):
It's just about how no matter what, like you're always coming
to Jerry. He is a encyclopedia of law and
all you do is go to him wheneveryou need something.
And he also brings up the fact that why is it that you're only

(01:05:32):
thinking about money? Why is it the only thing that
you're thinking about is having a salesperson instead of
somebody who has all this knowledge and who's been here
for 15 years and you're not evengiving him a chance because he's
not a social butterfly like goodold brat.

(01:05:55):
And this scene is very relatableto a lot of people who feel like
they, even though they put in somuch work and so much time into
a business, they don't get any type of recognition because they
aren't friends with their bosses, they're not friends with

(01:06:18):
their Co workers, they're not kissing ass and all of that.
And they're not being sales people.
They're not trying to sell you anything.
They're just there to do their fucking job.
Like I said, it's very relatableto a lot of people.
I know personal side, like when my mom works at the VA and she's

(01:06:40):
at that point where like she puts in all this work all this
time. She's great what she does.
And they still try to find ways to fucking take her down a peg
because she is very outspoken and she is, she says what's on
her mind? What are you going to do?
And so that makes it a very hostile work environment for

(01:07:02):
people. And it doesn't make you want to
stay there because you know, they're using you, even though
they try to act like they're notusing you.
And they try to act like they'redoing you a favor for you being
there, even though you put in all that work you put in all
that time you're doing. You probably could do a lot
better on your own, start your own business.

(01:07:23):
But they're like, well, you know, what are you going to do
if you leave whatever, even though when they leave, they're
going to feel it at the end of the day.
And yeah. It kind of reminds me, Spence of
like we talked about with the last week's episode that
everyone's going to hopefully watch with the OH.

(01:07:46):
Forgot her name? Who's who's the lady last week
that decided psychologist Ren Han Was that it, Ren?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, Ren Han Yeah.
So she talked about that moral injury stuff and how people are
using you and and then in there,this is imposter syndrome is
making you work harder. Happens a lot with autistic
folks, you know, divergent folks, ADHD folks, you know,

(01:08:08):
OCD, anxious folks, right. Those are neuro divergent 2
Happens a lot with women, specifically women of color,
right? A lot of people, a lot of the
marginalized identities are going to be the ones that are
being taken advantage of and overworked.
And those are maybe most likely going to be the ones that are
overlooked for certain positionsbecause they don't fit that
prestige or pedigree. The cookie cutter right?

(01:08:31):
Your mom's talking and, and doing what she's doing.
She's maybe saying stuff, right?She's trying to advocate, do her
thing. You know, it's a it's a very
common thing for a lot of folks.And so sometimes the people that
they play well with others, right, they're that that good
kiss ass. They're the they tell the line
of being white and being woke. And then you're right, they're

(01:08:52):
just in that margin. And there's a lot of my Co
workers that all been promoted all the kiss asses recently
events all promoted. They're all my boss now, all of
us be real with you. Most of them shit therapist, my
boys good, but the brothers havebeen good.
And you see a lot of these fuckers that aren't good at

(01:09:12):
certain things, but they're goodat smooshing, they're good at,
you know, playing the game. They keep getting.
Promoted, promoted, promoted. And I was telling a client, it's
really sucks, man. When people that get promoted
that aren't good at actually doing the job because they don't
know how to build it and making sure that everyone's doing the
job. It's like if a teacher's
magnificent, but they don't get promoted, it ends up being
someone else that's like wants to be an administrator but isn't

(01:09:35):
really good at the teaching. It really isn't good at patient
healthcare really good isn't good at being a therapist.
But now you're the director of all the therapists, but you can
tell that you're kind of like a shit one.
How do you navigate and make sure that you're meeting the
needs of your clients, but also meeting the needs of your your
workers? And so we see this scene of Alan

(01:09:58):
being like, what the fuck? And he goes into his office and
he advocates. He's like I I've always
respected you as a decent woman,right, like a decent like I
don't like you, but you're decent and are you done?
No, I got more to say and this guy is legit awesome and
deserves a fair shake. I really like him because he's

(01:10:18):
talking about fairness. He's very black and white on
this fairness thing. Multiple times through all these
clip Spence, everyone's mentioned, I know you'll keep
your word. I know you'll keep your word.
Love that very. There's a lot of people that
keep your word, but a lot of autistic folks.
Our word is going to be our bond.
I say I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it.

(01:10:39):
I don't know where I'm going to.Get to it, motherfucker.
But I'm going to do it. Trust is a big thing and the
stuff that he was saying, man had me.
We're ready to cry in there, man, because I've been that
person for years being used and abused and now I'm working hard,

(01:11:00):
but I'm making a ton more money and like being affirmed and
validated and all I did was get used and abused everywhere else.
It's wild. And then you have to sell
yourself to get a like a 2% increase on your raise.
And then you tell me I'm trash and you give other people 4% and
I got a one. I got a one.

(01:11:21):
I don't even want a four. Just give me a 2.
And I told people, I said you'regoing to take money from me,
from me. When me and Spence were at Saint
Mary's together, they took 5 grand from me once.
Yeah, we're not paying for this.Your old boss retired and you
know she ain't here to protect you, so we're taking this from
you. I said no.
This was hand shook on by the vice president and my boss.

(01:11:43):
It's not right in the in the contract.
Damn. Spence, you want to talk about
blow out, which we're going to get into the next scene, I blew
up on the vice president over atSaint Mary's.
Fuck you, fuck everyone in here.You going to take my money?
I don't even make no money. You're going to take 5 grand for

(01:12:04):
me? I'm stopping people from killing
themselves. It is fucked up.
He said in his ear. And they tried to get me to like
calm down and I wanted to leave.And then they forced me to sit
down and then I blew up, slammedthe door.
I went full. Sam's our condom, dude.
I end up calling my dad, fuckingshaking.
I mean, I was shaking. I couldn't even touch the

(01:12:26):
buttons on the fucking phone. I was like, damn, I'm about to
get fired. He's like, it's OK, man, we're
going to figure it out. Like how far we going to figure
it out? I guess we're moving back to
Michigan. He's like, we'll move back to
Michigan. We'll fingerprint.
We'll figure it out. We'll get a job with.
Sharing your old boss. I'm like, all right, I had to

(01:12:46):
sign this thing and reprimand and apologize and all that shit
and I never apologized, never did.
I'm not. You're not taking 5 grand from
me. And then telling me that I'm
wrong. Nope.
So why do I say this? Some of us get pushed way too
far. We get taken advantage of.
And I'm very masculine and if I can't advocate for myself and

(01:13:08):
I'm getting taken advantage of. Spence, what do you think that's
happened to everybody else? What do you think that's
happened to? All the little teddy bear girls
that I knew from Saint Mary's? The ones that can't talk, that
can't articulate, they have to use AI to send fucking emails.
So this podcast, this character is very common, the more softer
spoken, more internalized, very anxious, very scared, ostracized

(01:13:31):
individual, very common. All my scientists that I work
with now and some of the tough scientists in America, Spence
are terrified to speak out and to ask for certain things.
So once the neural divergent, a lot of it's just the trauma from
like life to make some quiet reserved insecure.
My. Heart goes out to all the

(01:13:53):
Jerry's out there. Me and Spence have been in Jerry
at times. This next scene is wild.
This next scene, this was a very, very emotional scene with
Alan. This next scene is wild, Spence.
So I'm gonna let Spence go aheadand take over.
Yeah, So Jerry finds out that he's not getting the position

(01:14:18):
right and that Brad is getting partner.
And so he's first, he starts like freaking out in his office,
like where's this? Where's this?
And he's just starts like pacing.
And he's he's like, I'm done, I'm quitting because they don't
respect me. And this is the last time I

(01:14:39):
could actually be a partner. So fuck you.
And so he goes out of the officeand he sees that they're having
a party for Brad Very smart havea party in office.
I was really smart of them afterthey knew that this fucking guy
was not happy about it. And so they're having cake.

(01:15:06):
Jerry picks up a knife. He looks at Shirley and he's
just like, is this enough? Is this enough?
Starts cutting the cake. And then he then he just fucking
goes postal that grabs her and puts a knife on her throat.

(01:15:26):
And while he's doing this, he's also building up his case and
making sure that he's legally within his rights while he has
surely buy a knife. And yeah, and then Crane tries

(01:15:50):
to get his gun, Can't get his gun.
He knows exactly like because he's actually shot people in the
office before. Almost got on that.
Yeah, he shot multiple people inthe office.
He actually got in trouble a fewtimes.
He's still part of it, which is hilarious because he's he has
his name on the door. Horrible behavior.
Horrible. Behavior doesn't get fired.

(01:16:11):
Can't get fired because he is part of it and he's also brings
them a lot of money. And so Alan finds out about this
and and and he's like, what are you doing?
What's going on here? Why are you why are you doing
this? And he just explains that he's

(01:16:31):
been pushed too far and Alan calms him down and has a very
calming voice to make sure that he's also getting Jerry calm.
And I and then he also make surethat he is represented by Alan
or Alan's represents him in his case, because he knows that he's

(01:16:53):
going to be he's going to get them off because I mean it's
Alan Shore. Of course he is.
The fact that Alan doesn't look down on Jerry, even though he
had an outburst like this reallygoes to show his character and
how much he cares for Jerry because he could easily just be

(01:17:15):
like, whoa, that dude's crazy done with this.
But now he knows that Jerry needs help and he also knows
that the predicament that the law office actually put him in
for this to happen. Now, don't get me wrong, I think
Jerry has to you know, he has totake accountability for his for

(01:17:36):
his actions, right? Because he you shouldn't be
putting a knife to somebody's throat like that.
Unless they want it. I'm sorry it was a kink thing.
Yeah, OK. Thank you for explaining.
Appreciate that. All our viewers out there,
there's a kink out there. If you put a blade to their
throat, they get turned on just so you.
Know instant cum bucket Jesus. Fucking Christ.

(01:18:01):
Yeah. They also do it with weapon
other weapons. Firearms and everything.
Wasn't that in beef? The one girl, he's off with the
9mm, I'm like, Jesus, yeah. A little weird, let me tell you.
Don't. Don't kink shame.
I'm going alright If you're going to fucking blow your pussy
out, I'm a kink shame. Sorry.

(01:18:23):
It's a little dangerous, a little dangerous just.
A little. Bit do you think girl?
But a little dangerous. I like them black too I guess.
Fucking himself with a desert eagle.
Jesus Christ, I got 1. I got a micro knife so.
Jesus yeah, nothing but 9mm in. I got 22 son I.

(01:18:48):
Got a little one of little BB guns. 2222.
Oh, pivot, pivot. But yeah, I like this scene.
Yeah, go ahead, Go ahead. Because he doesn't look down on
him. And then he also is even Shirley
at the end of it was just like, wow, this is really good work.
It's like, yeah, motherfucker, it's been here 15 years now.

(01:19:12):
You realize like, oh shit, he was very good.
Work she's like. But now you see why we could
never hire him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, or you never promote. Him never promote him.
Yeah, I'm like, come chill out. Chill out.
He was never going to be. The whole different thing, it
was never going to get to that point until you pushed him over
the fucking edge. You used him.

(01:19:32):
You abused him. Until he, and especially until
the very fucking end, they couldhave waited for Brad like
another year or whatever, another cycle, whatever they do,
you could have waited another cycle and they just been like,
you know what? You're a partner.
It's fine. You don't even, he doesn't even
have to be a fucking like upfront partner.
He could just be somebody in thebackground and then just put

(01:19:54):
Brad in there at some point. Like you're going to make money
either way. Did you see how many fucking
partners they had? I saw it was like 100.
Or so he has a lot. They'd be fine if they had one
partner that was like. Autistic and like, well, let's
be real, a bunch of them lawyersare autistic as shit.
That's a different point for a different day.
But yeah, I get what you're saying.
Yeah, like, let it ride. What's so wrong with it?

(01:20:17):
It's Wildman. So obviously we don't condone is
what we always used to say is like violence and knife or
attempted murder. But the funny stuff aside, the
way his mind works and I need you to go give me this code and
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then I need you to go get me
this boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And then hey, the. Hot secretary, that kind of
makes me nervous. Jesus Christ.

(01:20:41):
I was like, Oh my God, I want tosay that to so many people.
I'm like, I don't like being in your office because you make me
hot. You make you make my low and
steam. Make my 9mm go off is.
That a $0.50 song. I don't.

(01:21:01):
Think. So clickety, like clickety, like
I want to go right to my Piggy Bank, brah.
I was the his honesty and truthfulness and unmasked in
that moment, minus the knife wasawesome.
And then everyone's like, Oh my God.
And then one guy's like. This is really good legal work,

(01:21:24):
right? I'm like.
Shut up, you bitch. I agree.
You're doing really good. You're really.
Smart and he's like fighting people so it's amazing how his
mind works and obviously I thinkhe's got like one of those
identic memories are very identic like so he's able to
rapid recall that which is awesome some autistic folks have

(01:21:45):
that I use the word some becauseit's not many how I got just
many clients that completely forget everything soon as these
my one client is like you know what Nas we haven't met we.
We didn't meet the week before, and then we met this week.
It's like, guys, I don't even remember what you look like.
I'm like, damn dog, That kind ofhurts.
He's like, yeah, I just don't remember faces.

(01:22:07):
I just remember like, oh, this dude always wears this shirt.
This dude always wears this shirt.
Yeah, what's that called? Facial dysplasia or some shit?
Yes. Fantasia.
This guy, he got Fantasia. That's a.
Joke. Yep, Fantasia 2000.
Yep, Fantasia, that's. The best one?
That's the best one. No, it was the fucking Disney

(01:22:28):
Fantasia, not Fantasia of American Idol.
Yeah, I was thinking Fantasia ofAmerican Idol.
There's a Disney. 2000, that's around that time.
No, no, it's Disney Fantasia. I think it's Prophetasia.
And he goes, he goes one guy at work, he's like, this guy worked
on my fucking car. He's like, I knew this guy.
But then the one time he doesn'twear the hat, which he always

(01:22:50):
wears. We talked for like 20 minutes.
I know who the fuck the guy was.And I was like bro.
I think they said Brad Pitt had that shit, but it's like it's
tough because like sometimes youfeel like, do they just not want
to talk to me? Or like do they just want to be
like, Oh yeah, I have synesthesia where the.
Fuck it is. And like, hey, yeah, I don't, I

(01:23:12):
don't remember you. Like, motherfucker, you don't
remember this. You don't remember my voice.
Nothing. Nothing.
My face. I had a couple of clients at
Saint Mary's. I'm like, yeah, how do you guys
like know it's me and the one girl goes because you walk
funny. I was.
Like you. Yeah, she's like, you're a

(01:23:33):
little fatty. You're like my fat potato.
Oh God. Jesus.
Little not need. When they all agreed on that,
they're like, you do walk funny.I was like, all right, calm the
fuck down, guys. Why are we having?
This country motherfuckers send you all to the glue factory
because you don't can't get right.
Jesus. I'm sorry.

(01:23:56):
Fill back the life. Can't get right.
Probably autistic. So great, great scene, traumatic
scene. I asked.
Spencer was saying like, I get it and blowing up and being
overwhelmed. I get it, I get it, I get it.
I feel like a lot of you will get it.
I feel like a lot of you been inthis situation with family
members and friends, but you canonly take so much and then you

(01:24:16):
kind of blow up. Most folks can't articulate
themselves as good as he does and most of us kind of white out
or rage out and then we kind of just completely decompensate
afterwards and we're just exhausted.
That's that's normal. I think actually the two best
scenes are we'll get into the last two scenes.
I know it's running along for a lot of stuff, but these this is
very good stuff. Last two scenes are magnificent.

(01:24:38):
So let's let's knock these out all.
Right. So for the next one, it's the
next episode after all this stuff happens and they've
they've been to court because obviously he's getting sued.
Slash, they want to put him in prison for, you know,
threatening Shirley. But later on, Alan and Jerry,

(01:25:03):
they have this conversation during dinner and Alan brings up
that you need to have a defense somehow because you're going to
lose. You're going to lose.
And so he brings up just having autism as disability, as
defense. And so Jerry finds out that he

(01:25:26):
has autism. And The thing is, though, is
that Jerry does not want it to be on public record because then
he'll be looked at as the lawyerwho has autism or, you know, a
freak, a weirdo, all that stuff.He'll be looked at differently

(01:25:47):
even though he's already looked at differently, but it's looked
at as like he has a disability. That's the main point.
He does not want to be looked atlike he is disabled.
Yeah, which is very fair, Very fair.
Especially back in O four O 5 when it's like.
Yeah. It's not how's it look today

(01:26:09):
I'm. Gonna be real with you.
I'm gonna just say what they're going to think that this, I'm
sorry, but they don't think thatbecause if he gets autism that
he's going to be not intellectual or quote UN quote
retarded. And so they're not going to want
no one who's going to hire me ifI'm labeled this autistic guy.
There's no no, no, no, no, homie, you're a fucking
magnificent lawyer and you're going to win some cases.
This just helps you explain whatthings are.

(01:26:29):
But like, I get the fear, man. I get it.
I mean, hey, that's where we're at today really, aren't we?
Kind of went back and kind of went back on a lot of things,
right? We can't, we can't, we can't
have these labels anymore, right?
Although, you know, I go back and forth with the labels thing

(01:26:52):
because I think that labels shouldn't define who we are.
They do have their. Place.
They, they have their place, butthen they also, they are
something that yes, that's part of us, but that doesn't make us
our whole identity. And I, I don't think that people

(01:27:13):
should rely on just that as something and have it as kind of
like a quote UN quote, a crutch.A crutch or Spence, one of my
one of the dads I was talking torecently for our client said,
right, they were labeled autistic or whatever.
And then that was it. Like the the other partner never
decided to push them, just said,oh, it's fine.
You're just disabled. You never do this.
And the dad's like no, no, no, no, yes, they're autistic and

(01:27:35):
they could do this and they can go to school and they can date
if they want to. So like the one family member
I'm working with is like pushingthe kids and they're succeeding,
doing really cool shit. Right.
And if you need certain things, like if you need medication and
things like that, that's fine. I have no problem with that.
Like, yes, you should be taking your medication and you should
be going to therapy and doing all these different things.

(01:27:57):
Sure. But that doesn't mean that
that's the only thing that you are just like how we say, you
know, you're not just black, you're not just white, you're
not this identity. It's just that you are other
things. Because once you start putting
yourself in a box, so that's allyou're going to see things from
in a box, That's it. And autism.

(01:28:19):
Is a very disabled box. That's right.
And so if you're just like, that's all I am.
No, you're not only autistic. But also we shouldn't just not
bring up the certain identities as well.
We should be testing people for these things.
We should be making sure that they get help if they need it or
want it, and we should be going from there.

(01:28:41):
We shouldn't be taking away these things because then you
have situations where people caneither get to where Jerry is,
but on a whole different level. Because Jerry has all of the
materials. He has all these different
things they can fall back on, while other people don't have

(01:29:01):
those things. They don't have all of those
great things that they they can fall back on.
And so helping people out is nota bad thing.
We should be helping people out when they need it or when they
want it. And I think right now where we
are in just politics and stuff like that, it's not a great
place for those who have these certain labels because then they

(01:29:25):
will be looked at like they are disabled and they will be looked
at as different. They're being called disabled,
right? And so that's what they're
doing. And they're talking about
registries and all this other shit and.
We're going to take your information.
And so now, you know, a lot of testing has been down.
I've been hearing a lot of testing centers.
The testing is down because a lot of people are scared
eventually it'll go back up, right?

(01:29:45):
It'll go because people, why? Because they have to get
assessed for the medication, theoccupational therapy, which
we're going to the next scene, the physical therapy, the
behavior therapist, right? There's a lot that needs and
it's part of it starts with identification, AKA diagnosis.
It's a crucial thing in our humanity that allows people to

(01:30:05):
have better lives is access to healthcare.
And So what Spencer was saying is, like this white guy, he's
got some privileges, right? Because it's intelligence, this
and that, right? Other folks ain't got that.
And so we got to be able to diagnose people and assess
people because we got to help out these other babies that are
relying on, you know, maybe Medicaid related, you know,

(01:30:26):
services and all that. And so if we were making autism
stuff for medication stuff, harder to get to all that.
Folks up a whole population. I agree with you also.
You can be more than your label,just like the dad told me the
other day. Yeah, you can fight out of that
label and still identify with it, but then not be the
imprison. Yeah, like.

(01:30:47):
Jerry in this though, and Jerry he says it explains a lot of
things. It does.
It should be freeing. You're like, ah, this, this
helps so much. But then, you know, society,
because society, and then we seethat what are they going to say
about it? You know, and especially if

(01:31:07):
you're in like a red state and shit like that, like you're
going to have to hide who you are.
And that's not what we want frompeople.
We don't want to get to where wehave to hide who we are in order
for us to just live and get by and survive.
To earn money. Yeah.
Yeah, very good topic for today.In the political realm, but also

(01:31:32):
just it's kind of sad and you know, we have we've come a long
ways in the community and no divergent and acceptance and
affirming this and the ADA law, you know, which was fought for
by disabled people and forgetting the year.
I feel like it was 89 or 94, maybe 92.

(01:31:52):
I forgot I did a fucking paper on it.
But it's wild if people want to go back and see those scenes
where people like climbing up tothe court right when they were
voting on it and it was disabledpeople crawling because the legs
didn't work up. And then they finally passed the
bill after hours and hours and hours and days and weeks of like
fighting for this. A lot of people got rights now

(01:32:14):
for disabilities, not just mental and cognitive, but also
physical. You don't understand how
important those things are. Physical stuff, Spence, until
you like your family member, like my father's disabled and
you're like, holy shit. Hey, bro, there's one step where
fuck, we're not going in. I remember I took him to the
chicken spot in Detroit. That mean you've been to a

(01:32:34):
couple times and there's no ramp.
And so I had to pick him up and I broke his rib.
The fucker sat there throughout that entire dinner with a broken
rib. Wild fucking G.
Let's get into this last scene and then we'll get out of here.
Yeah. So, you know, they have the

(01:32:57):
trial for Jerry and they have a sidebar and Alan wants to
dismiss the case because he knows that like now that they
have the disability part of the trial and he's just like, it's a
losing case for you. You're not going to win this if

(01:33:18):
we say we he has a disability. So just just let it go.
And but they also don't know that Jerry's like don't bring
that up during the case. So he's playing it smooth, but
he's sly. And so really, he's just

(01:33:39):
explained to them that he has autism and that he deserves to
just, they should he they shouldjust let it go because he's been
through a lot. Yeah.
Whole life, not only being undiagnosed for so long, which a
lot of people were at that time,but also for the fact that they,

(01:34:02):
they know they fucked him over at that law firm.
They they know, they know. And so I get Shirley's point
kind of her being like, justice.Yeah.
Well, not just that, but also just like, I don't want him to
do that again, right? How do we know he's going to do

(01:34:23):
that? And of course, Alan brings up a
great point of, well, now he wants to get better.
He wants to get better. He wants to.
There's medications, there's behavioral therapy.
There are things that he can do to make sure that those
outbursts don't happen again nowthat he is actually, he has that
autism diagnosis. And so once again, Alan just

(01:34:48):
coming in clutch and just being like, hey, just give him, just
give him what's fair. Not giving him special
treatment, just giving him what's fair and what he's owed
because he's done so much. And Shirley agrees.
They dismissed the trial and he's it was free to go.

(01:35:09):
And so in the end, Jerry thanks Alan for saying that it's over
and about to hug him. And he's like, Nah, never mind.
I'm gonna walk away. I'm gonna walk away because, you
know, awkward. But yeah, So what a few couple

(01:35:34):
episodes. Also a big shout out to the
writers and the people. Jerry, the guy who acted in that
because did a great job of showcasing on to especially that
early on in just time because you know, there were probably a

(01:35:55):
few autistic characters that came out, but he was one of the
few ones that was very depicted well.
Depicted well and it's not like super like rain Manny right, But
it kind of is, but it isn't. But like the social skills are
there, but they're not there is very well and cumbersome of what
a lot of folks do look like on the autism spectrum.

(01:36:16):
Not all, but a lot of folks. And also showing the dark times
of. Yeah.
And so just that practical stuff, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, like we talked before in
the pre production, this love onthe spectrum where they are like
the quote UN quote good autistics, where they you know,
they don't get into trouble, they don't do certain things

(01:36:38):
they aren't or they they're highon the economic level and
they're pretty well off and you know, it's not a great light in
my opinion. That's why I don't watch the
show personally, because I just feel like they're hand picking
out people who are autistic thatare like I said, quote UN quote

(01:37:00):
good. The.
Cute ones, the cuddly ones. Yes, and not showing the real
side of autism all the time and not giving a chance to have
those people actually we're on alow economic level, actually get
the attention that they deserve and make sure that they can be
advocated for also and that theycan be seen because they're not

(01:37:22):
seen right now and they're, you know, especially in this
climate. Yeah, I know a lot of white
folks in there. A lot of white folks in there
out there, right? At first season, they had what,
an Indian guy in there? There's an Asian girl in there,
but it's a lot of the, you know,the good minorities in there,
right? It wasn't a lot of black, black
folk and Hispanic folk. There was a lot of certain race
in there. There's a lot of certain race in

(01:37:44):
there, so especially. After all the shit that has
happened with people who have autism, who are people of color
that have been killed or injuredby police officers and stuff
like that, because they didn't understand that they were
autistic and like they had certain needs and they had
outbursts and so they used forceon them.
And so I think it should be, I think especially if you're going

(01:38:07):
to have autism or on the spectrum on there, you should
actually use your voice for advocacy and actually have
people who, you know, don't havetheir voices heard as much on
there. I understand it's like this
cutesy love show and shit like that, but I'm also like, you
know what? We're kind.
Of using them for shit and so. I will give a shout out to a lot

(01:38:30):
of them actually, though, to theactual people themselves.
They've been really good and outspoken about a lot of stuff,
about the RFK stuff, which has been really cool.
They didn't need to do that. And a couple of my favorites
actually did do that. And I was like, hell yeah, this
is my guy right here. So I love that a couple of them
were very outspoken on their ownpublic platforms.
Yeah, Yeah. Because there's nothing against

(01:38:52):
them, right? It's just who they pick, you
know? Yeah, yeah.
They're not going to turn down right, They're going to turn it
down. My favorite guy is James.
He's just so anxious. So much Tourette's.
He just over stimulated all the time.
I fucking love that motherfucker.
And his dad's always picking on him and tweaking him out.
I fucking love that guy. There you.
Go my favorite, but this good representation, good show to

(01:39:15):
watch. I think a lot of you will
identify what was going on with this.
A lot of you have some feelings about it.
Some of you might tweak out about the meltdown, but the
crash out of the meltdown is very common, very common that we
see that. So as we get out of here,
reminds me that one scene, Spence, that we did with the
autism goes to college. Remember that Chicano boy, the
Hispanic boy, he ends up freaking out and then I'll

(01:39:36):
fucking kill you. He freaked out and then they end
up getting medication. But then he had to get kicked
out of school and not like now he's doing really good.
And the director, the guy that came on with us, right?
He said, yeah, he's great. I still talk to him all the
time. He's a great kid.
It's just he got fucked over on that test and a couple things
happen and he tweaked out. It happens.

(01:39:57):
We have meltdowns. It happens.
Great stuff. I'm glad you stumbled back upon
this. I'm glad we did it.
I'm glad other people get to listen to us talk about.
Yes, yes. And if you haven't seen it, go
watch Boston Legal Boston. Yeah.
Great show James Spader always will be an all time favorite for

(01:40:18):
me because I just love his acting and also he's fucking
ultra so why not? Why am I gonna you know, And
then also fucking Captain Kirk. I can't go wrong.
You can't, yeah. And yeah, so they have a lot of
great topics. So please go watch it on Hulu
slash Disney because it's on there right now.

(01:40:40):
So go check it out. Yeah, anything before we get out
of here. That's it, brother.
Much appreciation to everyone that listens to us every week.
I know we had some really good, awesome autism guests which are
getting a lot of traction in thepodcast.
So hopefully you continue to listen.
Hopefully you continue to show up.
We'll continue to do as much representation as we can.
Awesome. Well, like we always do.

(01:41:04):
I'm Spencer. That's nice.
Different special packets. Hi everyone, much appreciation,
much love and remember take careof yourselves.
Or don't. It's.
Completely up to you. Peace.

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