Escaping the Matrix: Autism, ADHD & Burnout with Kimika Banfield

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Our. Guest for the show is a mindset
in leadership code to blends emotional intelligence skills,
positive psychology, and lived neural divergent to help people
thrive differently. As founder of UP HR Lab, she
builds programs rooted in positive psychology and a

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emotional intelligence to help people bring their full selves
to work. Please welcome Kamika Banfield.
Hello, it's a pleasure to be here.
Thanks for having me guys. Lovely to have you, can't wait
to get into it. We finally found out we are two

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men, not two men. And just figured that out a few
minutes ago. Those those emails were way too
professional. OK, guess I'll tone it down on
the professionalism. How you doing, Shawty?
What up? You got that shit I need.
All right. Anywho, today we are going to be

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focusing on the movie The Matrix.
We are mainly going to be focusing on 2 scenes right?
The red and blue pill scene, as well as the woman in the red
dress scene, some things that we're going to be talking about.
We're going to be comparing unmasked versus masking.
We're going to talk about conforming to society and what

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that means. And did that mean being an
outcast? Maybe.
Is Neo an autistic person? Who knows, Maybe that might be
the title of the video. I don't know.
We'll find out any who we can also talk about people who self
medicate to also conform to all these different things that we
have going on in society as wellas we might be talking a little

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bit. So nice.
Neither of you agree to get thisshow.
Yeah, so you do it. I haven't seen Matrix in a hot
minute. It's been a minute.
Yeah, me. Either, but it's like you
remember all the little idiosyncrasies and all the stuff
and it's saying like you just remember it, the vibe and all
that. I'm like, Yep.
Oldie, but goodie. Yeah, that old dirty vibe, it

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always feels like it's shot in dark and dirty.
I'm like, it's the way I'm goingto.
Yeah, let me stop. Yeah, I'm excited to get into
it. There's a lot of good stuff that
we'll talk about about being your divergent.
Excited for our guest again. A magnificent lineup of guests
that we've got coming on with this whole new fresh season

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coming out. Folks, thank you for joining us
for along the ride and excited to get into this red blue pill
stuff too, because there's many different things and what they
can mean. Many, many different things.
And then I got a ton of jokes. Like there's so many jokes and
inappropriate comments. So you're getting ready to get
so you have no idea. So it's about to be wild.

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Let's get into the show. Let's have some fun.
Whoop. Whoop.
Whoop, whoop. There.
You go there, you go silent. But it happened.
Silent but deadly. Delayed.
He's fine. I knew you'd figure it out.

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Everyone else just kind of stares there.
Why are you looking at me? What Pause.
We never asked anyone when we'redoing that, we're just kind of
staring silently. What's going through your mind?
Like, what's what were you thinking?
I was. Like what comes next?
There's a pause. What's supposed to happen?
I took a guess, an educated guess.

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Very bad communication guys. I can tell your men now, Jesus.
The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in
this very room. You can see it when you look out
your window or when you turn on your television.
You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church,

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when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been
pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
What truth? That you are a slave, Neo.
Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born into a

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prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch.
A prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be
told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning
back. You take the blue pill.
The story ends. You wake up in your bed and
believe whatever you want to believe.
You take the red pill. You stay in Wonderland and I
show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.
Follow me. The Matrix is a system, Neil.

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That system is our enemy. When you're inside, you look
around. What do you see?
Businessmen. Teachers.
Lawyers, carpenters, the very minds of the people we are
trying to save. But until we do, these people
are still a part of that system,and that makes them our enemy.
You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be

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unplugged, and many of them are so inerred, so hopelessly
dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
Were you listening to me, Neo, or were you looking at the woman
in the red dress? I was.
Look again. Who is it?

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This. This isn't the Matrix.
No, it's another training program designed to teach you
one thing. If you are not one of us, you
are one of them. What are they?
Sentient programs? They can move in and out of any
software still hardwired to their system.

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That means that anyone we haven't unplugged is potentially
an agent inside the Matrix. They are everyone and they are
no one. We have survived by hiding from
them, by running from them. But they are the gatekeepers.
They are guarding all the doors.They are holding all the keys,

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which means that sooner or latersomeone is going to have to
fight them. Someone.
I won't lie to you Neil. Every single man or woman who
has stood their ground, everyonewho has fought an agent has
died. But where they have failed, you
will succeed. Why?
I've seen an agent punched through a concrete wall.
Men have emptied entire clips atthem and hit nothing but air.

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Yet their strength and their speed are still based in a world
that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never
be as strong or as fast as you can be.
What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when

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you're ready, you won't have to.We got trouble.

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Did Zion send the warning? No, another ship Shit.
Squiddy sweeping in quick. Squiddy A.
Sentinel killing machine designed for one thing.
Search and destroy. Set her down right over there.

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How we doing tank power offline EMP aren't and ready EMP?
Electromagnetic pulse disables any electrical system in the
blast radius. It's the only weapon we have

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against the machine. Where are we?
They're old service and away systems sewers.
They used to be cities that spend hundreds of miles.
Now these sewers are all that's left of them.
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It's probably my blood sugar Med, blood pressure Med.
What else fair people take, I don't know.
My multivitamins, I don't know, oh, multi vitamins there's.
No fucking way taking any of those.
Yeah, no, I forget and. Even the medication you're like.
Nah, I forget a lot sometimes. When I did, I already take this
shit. Today I don't.
Know right like that's. Good.

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Which one of these are timer? You need a timer then.
Some of them are butt pills. It's like I don't know which one
to take. None of them.
Are butt he gets most excited about those.
I take those. Oh, it's time again.
Got. A Flintstone gummy.
One o'clock 1:00 on Tuesdays. Favorite time of the year?
Go ahead, Spence. Oh OK, sorry I'm doing an

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interview right? That's right, we got a job.
Well, welcome to the show, Kamika.
We really appreciate you coming on it's.
Been great so far. Lies.
We're happy to accommodate. I know that's that HR shit
coming out and be like, yeah, itwas great.
Fuck those guys. My God, they were horrible.

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Can you give us a little bit about your background, not just
for the mental health side but for your HR side, but also I
would love to know how you got into the mental health field.
Yeah, absolutely. So I I have been an HR
professional for the past 17, going on 18 years and I have

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worked for a Fortune 500 startups, small organizations,
large organizations. I have made my way up to the VP
and head of level for head of people, VP of talent and
development and I have been enjoying that part of my career
for quite some time. But I have always had a
sensitivity and a little soft side to emotional intelligence,

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and I minored in psychology in undergrad.
And so even after getting my masters, it was always like I
knew I wasn't finished with school.
I just didn't know which direction that would end up
going. Fun fact, I did take the Lsat's
thinking I wanted to be a lawyerbecause I'm great with logic and
I tested amazing on the logic. I did really poor on the

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reading. Anything else outside of logic
was not good. But thankfully I eventually got
onto the right track, which which I know I'm meant to do,
which is IO psychology. So I like to consider it
psychology of the workplace and having that background in human
resources, being double certified in HR, having over 4

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different certifications for emotional intelligence, positive
intelligence, also positive psychology.
Studying under under Doctor Martin Seldman at the University
of Pennsylvania. I've realized this is my
passion. And so my dissertation, I'm
currently in a doctoral program for IO Psychology, and my

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dissertation is at the Crooks ofemotional intelligence, positive
psychology, and cultural intelligence in the workplace.
And so I realized after my diagnosis that my community, the
autistic and the ADHD community,and essentially the
neurodivergent community actually struggle the most with
emotional management and regulation.

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And they can really benefit fromsome of the things that I coach
professionals on. I'm also an executive coach and
I help business professionals navigate the workplace as
leaders also career transitions as well.
And I want to kind of allow my skill sets that I've accumulated
over the years to be of assistance to the neurodivergent

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community in their day-to-day life.
And also if they want to elevatetheir careers as well, they can
do that. Doing a whole lot of shit.
It is a lot. It is a lot.
That's. A whole lot of shit, man, I'm
I'm tired as hell. Black women doing a lot of shit.
That's the way it comes out of there.
Y'all were getting it done. Caribbean women doing Caribbean

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women. Bunch of shit.
Hold on. Yep, seven of those.
Did you have parents that were like?
Did you have parents like First Acceptance?
Yep. No, do you?
You don't have parents. You were just made out of the.
Two, I just came. Do you have parents that were
like just like not overbearing, but like just, you know, they
wanted you to like just keep working, working, working and

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just doing tons of school, school, school and getting on
top of you for those things? Was that your experience?
Yeah, that is the typical Caribbean and also African
community experience with parentand relationship with their
child. They want all the A's.
Yes, I have experienced the A's.I grew up in a household where
if I brought home a 95, that wasmet with the question of where's

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the other 5%? Not great job.
It was what happened. And so I, you know, naturally I
had this inner ambition and people always ask where do you,
where does your drive and motivation come from?
Because I've always been extremely ambitious.
I made six figures by the time Iwas 23.

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I worked for Foot Locker as a director in the US and I
traveled West to East Coast. And I did that for some time
before I got burnt out. And I, you know, have always
been chasing this imaginary likegoal.
I didn't even know what I was chasing or trying to achieve.
But to your point, it was just something that was ingrained in

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me from a very young age, mainlyby my father.
My mom was very lackadaisical, didn't question my work.
She never checked my homework. But my dad was always like, let
me see it, you know, let's see how you did.
So I was always trying to impress my father, who's very
impressed now, but it, you know,it, it benefited me.

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I, I, I, I feel like I need to also mention this too, because
I, I got the experience that didn't include a belt.
So my parents did not beat me and.
Had that look of just like. Yeah, it was just the look and,
you know, the the voice elevation, but not so much I'm
going to, you know, you now. It's like a a threat or out of

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fear. It was more of like, oh, I don't
want to disappoint my parents, you know, from more of an
emotional standpoint, which I think is really important
because I don't think anyone should have to fear their
parents in that way. So I definitely feel like I got
the the lucky end of the stick Dad.
Didn't get the stick at all. I.
Know you didn't get the stick atall by.

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Saying no stick. Yeah, I know.
That's why I'm so stupid. I got hit in the head.
Can make AI mean it's OK. They're not paying attention to
this podcast. You can tell us they're not.
Going to. They're not going to hurt you
anymore. You can tell us that your father

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was wild. It's fine.
It's they can't control you anymore.
Jokes aside. That's funny guy.
It's funny you said that too, because I also moved out of my
parents home very early, like at21.
By the time I graduated I was, you know, renting and out of
that space and had my own space and an apartment, which I

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thought was really important formy development of independence,
right? Especially being an autistic, we
naturally have those challenges with.
You know, managing a household, you know, the laundry, the
dishes and all this stuff just seems like way more work for us
mentally and physically than it does for apparently other

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people. But because I've been doing that
for over, you know, 10 years nowand living on my own and knowing
no one else is going to do it for me.
And I didn't have, you know, an abundant amount of money where I
was like, let me just pay someone to clean my house.
I do now I don't have an abundant amount of money but I
do pay someone to clean my houseoccasionally once a month but

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I'll I'll clean it outside of that in between they.
Probably got deported now so youprobably don't have them anymore
so it's fine. Damn.
As you're away. Yeah, yeah, things are a little.
Different in America. I know you're on vacation.
Things have been a little weird lately in Texas.
I know, I know. Yeah.
I'll jokes aside, I do have a serious question for you.
I'm going to do a little pivot. Oh my God, I'm forgetting it.

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You can't believe it. There it is.
There it is. You do, you've done a lot of
things. So before we get into more of
the Spencer's questions, how does that impact you in your
relationships? So whether platonic or romantic,
you've been able to keep them and manage them Or are you
sacrificing a lot for your career?
Because you sound very career organic.
God bless you. But I wondered how you manage

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that and if you're just like, Nah, fuck it, I'm doing my
thing. Forget men.
No, I do date. I date.
But I do get that question a lotwhen people hear about like how
much I have going on. And you know, I'm also a PhD
student and at the level of my, I am in my career, but I've
always managed it really, reallywell.
And I'm often more in a relationship that I'm not in

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relationships. I'm single now, but I was able
to balance it when I was in relationships really well.
And what about even friendships,though?
Friendships. So how are you able to manage
all that? You're moving here?
You're going there. We know it's really hard to keep
in touch with people ADHD. So how are you able to maintain
those and stay grounded in some of that reality of like knowing
that you're loved and affirmed from afar?

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Yeah, first, firstly, I have really bad out of sight, out of
mind. So a lot of my friends I just
forget about unless they're already like checking in on me,
texting me. And then it's like, yeah, I'm,
I'm here with you. I'm checking on YouTube because
because you're in my face, you're because you're reminding
me you exist. But the friends that kind of
forget about me too or don't reach out, I don't really think

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are stressing myself. When I do remember them, I'm
like, oh, hey, yeah, how are youdoing?
You know, shoot them a text. I keep my circle small.
So when I was in New York, I hada really small circle.
I had the same 2 best friends for over 20 years and that was
good for me. I used to, I didn't know I was
autistic. It makes sense now, but I used
to always say no new friends, nonew friends, no new friends.

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But they had plenty of friends. They had plenty of friends,
other friends. But I was like, I'm good.
And sometimes they would try to invite me out and I'm like, I'm
good. So because of my personality,
I'm not pulled in a million directions I don't want to be
interested in doing. I'm not.
And the more friends you have, the more commitment you have to
have to in that friendship, right?

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Attending the birthday dinners and, you know, being a
supportive friend. And so for me, I'm I'm
appreciative of the small circlethat I have.
I made a new small circle in, inTexas.
And that's what small circle's great.
And that small circle's also Nordivergent.
And so they get me, they get me better.
Yeah, that's important. I think neuro divergent people
should have neuro divergent friends because they just get

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it. I cosign it.
Yeah, so you have your your Instagram which just reached
40,000 followers. Congratulations by the way
called Make it neurodivergent. What does it mean for you to
connect with people who are neurodivergent online, and what

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has that really taught you aboutjust belonging and being
compared to other people in different spaces?
Yeah, it means so much to me to have this brand and space on
Instagram. I created it when probably the
same week I was diagnosed with autism, which was 2024 in

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December and it just that short time.
Now it's, you know, August 2025 and I now have 40,000 followers.
Do not have that before. It means a lot because so many
of my followers and so many of my viewers, the comments says it
all. I could read you comments for
days. I get the same kind of comments

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all the time. You know, I see myself in you.
Oh my God, like I need to consider like if I need an
assessment, you know, and I really appreciate your page.
So glad that I found your page, you know, because people aren't
accustomed to seeing an African American female that is, you

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know, with AI, have a high IQ. My IQ is 124.
And you know, it's also expressed in, you know, my
success in my career and all this, you know, obsessed
certifications that I have a lotof letters behind my name.
And now I'm trying to have doctor in front of my name.
And you know, that's just not the typical profile that people

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are accustomed to seeing labeledas autistic.
And I think my page being a humor and research page and
heavy on the humor because I'm all about laughing.
My entire life, people have always told me, like, man,
you're always laughing, you're always laughing, you're always
showing your teeth, you're always smiling, you're always
laughing. Bring your teeth.

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A huge smile and a lot of peopleyou know, sometimes don't want
to show their teeth or you know,whatever the case may be.
But I'm all about laughing through the stress, laughing
through the pain, laughing through the sadness, because I
can always find humor in any situation.
It could be the darkest of darkest situations.
And I think, and, and now I knowstudies show that autistic

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people do have a different senseof humor.
And so, yeah, we really do. And so I feel like, you know,
naturally I, I'm able to find humor in dark spaces.
And so I used my skill sets and my abilities to kind of spread
awareness through my page with humor.
And it's working. It's working really well.

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And so I am really enjoying the journey and hopefully soon I
will be at 100K. That's the goal.
Yeah. And doctor.
Yeah, that's, you know, that's pretty important too.
Yeah, I get all the followers. I get all the followers.
I'm like, motherfucker, you getting a doctor?

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Yeah, that doesn't matter. Done it before, don't care.
Like my shit, you motherfucking.Look mom, I have 100K followers.
You're also a doctor, but. Your dad's like, where's the I
want you to get you 150, you sumbitch.
I know, right? Not the stick, sorry, bro.

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The humor thing is like awesome with folks, man.
Quick Side Story. Like I was telling people about
the group therapy that I'm setting up with all my no
divergent women. And like, yeah, some of these
mother fuckers don't be talking.But then, you know, it's just
crying, crying, crying, deregulation.
And then eventually I'll get someone to pop open and actually
have a good conversation. And one of them, I don't know

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how we got on a topic, but it was like me chopping up bodies
and then putting them in my freezer.
She's like, you know what? This is fucking hilarious.
That's me, I do. That and then she was like, and
then that's it. And then we kept talking about
like the freezer for all the sessions.
I'm like, I feel like I should have got a complaint to HR like
you. Here's that one.
And then she's like that was it big front client after that went

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through school, was able not to get kicked out.
Grades got better. It was wild.
So you never know what's going to help.
In my main Psychology Today pageand all this stuff it all says
with a ton of humor. You'd be surprised at how many
people are my clients because ofjust the words humor and
laughter throughout the journey.People are like, Yep, because
this shit's too fucking sad for me not to be laughing.
I'm like, OK, love the humor of the thing that you said.

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It's going to help you out in your practice or whatever
industrial practice you're doing.
Yeah. I.
Just so. We've had we've had many guests
on the show and a lot of them, especially those who are just
nerve, spicy nerve. Spicy.
They they talk about working forlike these big corporations and

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things like that. And they also talk about just
being worn out after, you know, after a while you just get worn
out. You just can't do it.
A maybe it's just too much work going into it or B, you just too
much time going into it and you don't have any time for yourself
with you being the founder for up HR lab.

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What made you want to start yourown business?
Was it because of the burnout and you just like I want to set
my own hours and do that or was it because something else that
was going on? What was your?
Nail on the head. That was exactly it.
I had a baby, I'm a mom, I have a three-year old, and I took two

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years off from working to just be home with him.
Yeah, and I didn't want to go back to work.
I didn't want to go back to work.
I didn't want to go back to the 9:00 to 5:00 and it wasn't even
9:00 to 5:00. I was often working 50-60 hour
work weeks because when you get to a certain level, that's just
your life like you know, and hence the, you know, how do you

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balance it right? And some, I realized that's not
the life that I wanted. And it was interesting because I
made those changes right before,months before my diagnosis came.
And so it was kind of, it's funny because I think I would
have, even if I hadn't made those changes, my diagnosis
would have been what would have still made me make the same
decision of becoming a consultant that works for

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myself. And so I, I had worked so hard
in my career, so many late hourswhen I used to live in New York,
I used to be on the train at like 11 at night, sometimes
leaving some of these, you know,offices.
And that's, you know, no way shape or form that any
neurodivergent should live. I didn't know I was autistic in

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ADHD at the time. I suspected ADHD because it does
run into my family, but it was alate diagnosis and it didn't
really make a difference becauseit was kind of like, well, I've
already been. For me, it didn't make a
difference because I was like, I'm already living life like
what is it going to make a difference out?
But my autism diagnosis was likehonestly such an eye opener and

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life changing for me because it really explained like my
personality, my decisions, why Iam who I am, why I choose
certain decisions. And you know, the way I just
exist in the world essentially all make perfect sense now,
whereas it didn't before. And so being able to work for
myself has allowed me a tremendous amount of flexibility

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that I could only pray and wish that all neurodivergent,
especially autistic and ADHD years can have.
There's a lot of entrepreneurs that are ADHD.
There's a lot of successful entrepreneurs.
There's famous entrepreneurs that have ADHD and come out.
And, you know, one that pops popped in my head was the
founder of Virgin, Virgin Airlines.

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Yeah, he was the one, yeah, ADHDolder guy.
He has, you know, said it, talked about it out loud.
And then, you know, even Bill Gates has, you know, mentioned
in interviews that, you know, ifhe was diagnosed at an earlier
age, at a younger period, that he believes he would be on the

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spectrum. And I see that.
I see that when he when he when he talks.
But it makes a lot of sense as to why some of these famous
successful millionaires, entrepreneurs that we know are
neurodivergent, a lot of them don't graduate college, right?

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Because that's just the typical social standard.
You graduate high school, you goto college, and that's supposed
to mean your life's going to be successful.
Or does that mean you're going to be a nine to five slave,
right. And that's really what people
are. The system is grooming you for.
And neurodivergence, we live kind of outside of some social

(33:03):
standards and which is why a lotof us are, you know, either
outcasted or constantly questioning why neurotypicals do
some of the things that they do.You especially as autistic
individuals and, you know, you kind of decide I'm going to do
my own thing. I'm going to make my own rules.
I'm going to live by my own rules and live outside of the
social standards. Just having a blast listening to

(33:27):
her. Dude I'm just vibing.
I'm like I'll need to say shit. She got it you.
Can fire me any day, girl. Do I get to come to the office?
If you fire me, I'm sorry. I'm going to flirt with you real
quick. You ain't got to listen.
But if you were the HR person, I'm getting in trouble every
day. Oh, Caminia.
You're so silly. Oh, I'll go to HR no problem.

(33:52):
Nas was swearing again. You never you never seen
somebody skip to HR like Nas skipping.
Isn't that Leo DiCaprio in that one meme?
I'm. Going to HR.
No, you got to stop saying weirdshit in the office, OK?
You. Need to stop for real, all

(34:13):
right. For real?
All right, you're about to get fired.
Stop teasing me. No, you always threaten that,
but we both know. Girl, quit playing like you're
you're locked out of the office the next day.
Like I told you, dumb ass. I was for real.
I was not flirting back. I was literally telling you

(34:34):
you're going to be fired tomorrow.
But. I'm so.
Sorry, gave you a pink. Slip it's not a joke.
It's not a joke. Girl gave me her number.
Bitch this is 911. Like get your ass out of here.
Leave. I'm calling security.
I'm calling security. You motherfucker.
Silly. Oh no, that was funny as shit.
I had to say that, Spence. I don't know how you're

(34:56):
following that shit up. No, I don't think anybody can
really, but I'll try so you don't.
You. You don't really.
You don't watch movies or shows usually, right?
And. Snob.
You you're very set on music. Is there anything that you like

(35:18):
doing besides work that? It's true.
It's true. Yeah.
Yeah. Is anything like doing besides
work? Girl, do you sleep?
I always do. I sleep barely, but that's
that's more of my nerd divergentproblems versus like time and

(35:40):
calendar. But yeah, I have always been
challenged with the question of like, what are your hobbies?
Some like what hobbies like work?
Like in my mind I'm like, it's work.
Like, you know, some way shape or form it's work or just
research and studying or just like, even if I'm not in school,
like between degrees, I will still be researching.

(36:02):
Like I go down rabbit holes likenobody's business.
And I'm like constantly like researching and reading articles
and I like to hear different people's perspectives and their
perception and their, their, their life experiences.
I will constantly do that. And so I, I just, I just

(36:24):
researched, but you know, as faras relaxation, yeah, that's how
I balance. I do a lot of like sauna dates
with myself, like, so I'll go tothe sauna.
I get a lot of massages. I love my Thai lady.
She gives me Thai massages and Ilike her elbow in my butt and
her knee in my back. So that's how I like it.

(36:47):
I like, you know, and I recommend that for autistic
individuals because we actually like a lot of us do not all of
us, but a lot of us do like intense pressure, right?
And, and feeling that on our bodies.
And a regular massage is not going to hit the way that a deep
tissue does. And so, you know, like I can't,

(37:09):
I can't, I like even growing up,I would ask my dad like as a
teenager, like I would lay on the floor and just like, can you
step on my back? And he's like, what is wrong
with you? Like I just, I just needed like
pressure and I still do that. So I was like, now I just paid
the lady to do it. And she only got weighted
blankets forever. Yeah, wait a minute.
Is she a thick girl? Bit you know, strong girl?

(37:29):
She like little tiny girls. Sport and and petite they
usually. They got power.
They got power. They have like.
These bars on the ceiling that they'll.
Oh shit, you go to one of those those fancy ones, all right,
man. They're doing the George
Jefferson to you and that one isstepping on his back and shit.
His wife is Yeah, yeah. Wait a minute.
So they man, you need what you need is when a big Samoan
motherfuckers to massage you out.

(37:50):
That's what you need when a big meat and potato eating.
I don't. Know if I was survived.
I'm so tiny I'm like. Girl no, you need to go when?
NFL lineman just fucking yeah. I did have, I did have one.
I did have one masseuse that waspretty much like an NFL player.
And it was good. It was great.

(38:10):
It was. Good.
There you go, girls. Like, I think you're puncturing
my lung. Will you marry me?
Basically, I love the pressure. Oh my God, you marry me.
Yeah, I also, but I also, I do alot of, I'm a foodie and I'm
also vegan. So I'm plant based.
I've been plant based for 10 years which I highly also

(38:32):
recommend to neurodivergent individuals.
No. Pressure.
No judgement, but it does help improve how our
neurotransmitters function and it also helps keep our lymphatic
system drained versus backed up.And a lot of ADHD Rs.
Also, autistic individuals are prone to inflammation.

(38:53):
And so when you change your diet, that all reduces.
Like I used to be significantly heavier like I was, I used to be
like around 180 pounds, 176 to be exact.
And I'm only like 5453. And so I used to have so many
issues, so many other issues, like with my health, like I had
a high cholesterol, I had gastritis, which is like a ulcer

(39:13):
family. I also had like, you know,
struggled with certain addictions like with coffee,
caffeine, like I used to drink like 6 cups of coffee.
Oh yeah, you're autistic as shit.
Yeah. And that all kind of like came
slowly down and, you know, whileI start to focus on my, my body
and my health, which I realized improved my cognitive function,

(39:36):
I was able to remember things easier.
There was a really like, especially in my 20s, there was
a phase of me like just never being able to get through a
conversation with anyone withoutbeing like, wait, I forgot my
train of thought. Like it happened so often
throughout the day, all the time.
It was like a part of my personality, like Kim just
forgets whatever she was saying,she'll remember later.
But like, it happened so frequent to me where it was just

(39:57):
like, OK, this is how I am. But I realized that it's been so
long that that's like happens every occasionally.
Yeah. You know, naturally that happens
to everybody. But it was so bad for me.
Like my, my memory was just really, really poor.
And I am now. And also my emotional regulation
improved as well. And so.
I do a lot of research with dietand nutrition.

(40:20):
My friends joke a lot of you know, Are you sure you want to
be a, you know, a psychologist or do you want to be a
nutritionist? Because I'm like always talking
to people about nutrition and their bodies and health because
I'm a big proponent of, you know, physical health, not just
mental health. But I do find them to be
connected. So I do enjoy finding

(40:40):
restaurants that cater to vegan diets, which is really hard in
Texas. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all
about the meat. Big cow Central, yeah.
Yeah, you pretty much shoot yourown cow out there.
And and that was my best friend,shot that motherfucker.
He had to go. He reached his weight limit.

(41:03):
There's enough of you black cowsaround here.
Jesus, Sorry. Jesus.
Oh. Bad that.
Was pretty bad HR she's like HR,he'll HR into the room.
We're going to have a meeting about this later in this year.

(41:27):
Yes, we are soon, as she said, big.
And I was like, yeah, I'm done with you.
Yeah. I don't judge.
I don't judge other people eat meat in front of me.
People are like, you don't care if I eat this.
I'm like, do it you please. Like I, I do it for my own
health, honestly. And so just because of, you
know, genes, genetics, right? My family has a history of high

(41:50):
blood pressure, high cholesterol, cancer.
Well, it's really bad with the cancer too.
And so I'm strokes like everybody's just, you know, and
it's I'm Caribbean descent, which is very common in in the
Caribbean, you know, community having some of those illnesses
and that run in the family. And so I find that my vegan diet
and choice of foods help me combat what is essentially like

(42:12):
written in the stars for me if Idon't be very careful.
So yeah. So I'm ask you something
specific. You can be quick with this one
so we can continue other cool questions.
You're cooking yourself. Is it hard to cook for yourself
when you're vegan? So like some folks that are
thinking about it or is it toughto find things that are good?
Is it tough just to meal prep oruse a chance to be tea to help

(42:33):
you or anything? Yeah.
Great question. So I'm like almost anti it's not
even anti but I'm like low key anti meal prepping and but it's
my autism. So like I, I from the time I was
a child, I cannot eat the same meal, OK, twice a day or even
back-to-back days. And I'm lucky if I can eat it

(42:54):
two days later. Like I constantly crave variety
and diversity of food because ifmy brain would be like, you had
that earlier or you had that yesterday and like, it's like
disgusting for me to even think about.
Like, so it's really hard for meto like, I don't do leftovers
and it's not because I'm entitled, but it's more of like,
I literally can't like, like I will gag thinking about it.

(43:18):
And in my brain, and I know it'smy autism because in my brain
I'm like, it's dirty, but it's not dirty.
It was cooked yesterday. It's leftovers.
Everybody eats leftovers. But like my mom had such a hard
time with me growing up because she would often if she cooked,
that was what we were eating forthree days like that.
It was, it was, it was in the fridge.
It's good she warmed it up. She put it on the stove.
But I'm like, we had this yesterday, like, and so I didn't

(43:42):
know why she thought I was just being spoiled, but it was really
my autism. I didn't know.
You're going to eat this shit, you little son of a bitch.
Basically, yeah. It was just so hard for me and
it's still hard for me. So I do.
I have done a variety of things now I cook and sometimes I do a
mix of I haven't done it in a while, But like those different
meal prep companies, like where they send the food to you, you

(44:05):
defrost it, you put in your fridge.
And so those allow varieties so you can pick like a different
meal a day for weeks. And I enjoy those because those
are variety. I'd rather variety than than
complete freshness. Like it doesn't bother me that
it's frozen. I have to like defrost it
because I'm going to cook it anyways.

(44:25):
But it's variety. I need the variety.
And so it's like, oh, it's different.
I haven't had this in a few days.
That's great when we have that. But those get costly, right?
And not everyone can afford those things, especially if
you're unemployed, which the autism community is plagued
with. Majority, not majority, but.
It's lot. It's 70 to 80%.
The statistics do say that, you know, between around like around

(44:49):
it's like 50 to 80% of autistic individuals are unemployed.
And you know that now that cut that does cover all levels of
the spectrum, which makes a lot more sense when you think about
it that way. And so when you think about it,
it's probably like more of levelones that are employed, but even
they are challenged, you know, like, you know, kind of going
back to my career, I, you know, and with, as Spencer mentioned,

(45:11):
the burnout, like I would get burnout and quit jobs.
And in my, it was like a runningjoke amongst my friends that Kim
doesn't Kim doesn't, you know, stay anywhere.
Kim honest Kim leaves after a year and a half to two years.
And that's my entire almost 18 year career.
I have that that habit and it's part of the, the nuance that I

(45:32):
crave. I I need constant nuance.
And maybe that's my ADHD mixed in a little.
Bit of that too, yeah. See, I like my jobs like I like
my salads different, Yeah. Yeah, it's the impulsivity of
I'm going to quit like and I didthe impulsivity with with
vacations as well. I used to before I had my son

(45:54):
three years ago. I used to vacation four times a
year. And it would honestly, almost
every vacation was booked within72 hours.
It was like super impulsive. Yeah.
Never planned, never gave. You know, they tell you to give
notice. That was HR.
So I got away with that a lot. Like we're going to tell HR.
Yeah, that's pretty good. I would tell them it's booked
already. I'm like, I don't know what

(46:14):
you're going to do. Like, and that's the autism I
think a little bit as well. Demand avoidance also like where
it's like, I'm not going to how do I know if I want to go on
vacation two weeks out? Some people do, but I don't like
I I was going on vacation out ofsurvival and being burnt out and
like, I need to get out of the country like, and I would like
actually leave the country. Like I've been to 17 countries

(46:38):
and many of those countries manytimes because it wasn't enough
to, to just go on vacation. So let me be home.
No, I need to absolutely change my entire like surroundings and
what I'm doing in my schedule and what I'm exposed to for the
next 7 days and to reset. But I didn't know that I was
doing that out of survival. You know?

(46:58):
So everyone's thinking like, oh,Kim's living this lavish life,
she always travels, but it was out of survival.
Like I needed to, literally. Like I felt like I need to leave
the country. Like a nomad, I'm.
Literally out of the country right now, right?
Like I'm in Birmingham. Survival got like 50 Thai women
rubbing her down on the beach. This is just pure survival.

(47:19):
It's survival. Shut the fuck, I'm just barely
existing. Shut up.
Trying to rule the Thailand. As your cleaner walks in there
after their 30th fucking hour ofcleaning.
There's. Just there's just shit
everywhere from the vegan food. You don't want to tell anyone

(47:41):
about the vegan shit. It's.
Fine couch right now just relaxing on the ceiling.
Jesus got it. So funny watching.
TV and shit, that's never. Used.
I'm so sorry. Go ahead.
Yeah. Why is it on porn?
Jesus Christ. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. Oh my God.
Buy it again. That was a lot of teasing.

(48:07):
Apologize somewhat. So just hella busy doing stuff
and surviving. We'll we'll tie that back into
some other stuff. I want to kick it back to Spence
to getting some other questions to you.
Yeah. Yeah.
So what would you say were some changes that you would make in

(48:29):
workplaces for people to have more inclusivity for those who
are divergent or just anything overall?
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's really important
that inclusion and belonging initiatives actually include the
voice of the people that is targeting.
And so a lot of the times where are these organizations and

(48:50):
companies, no matter what size they are, who they say, oh, we
want to be more inclusive. They would we, we want people to
feel like they belong. They're making the plans behind
closed doors and not actually like including the individuals
that it affects. So having like focus groups and
what that would include the individuals that are part of
the, you know, nerd original community or you know,

(49:14):
essentially any diversity. But let's talk about
neurodivergence here and identifying what their specific
needs are, because you're not always going to be able to cover
and even have the budget to, to cover all needs of that are
completely all out there. But you may be able to be

(49:35):
successful in doing that when you ask those individuals what
are, what are your specific needs are?
And that's where you're going tobe more accurate with someone
feeling like, yeah, they, they, they heard me.
I, I feel like I have a long, they made this adjustment for
me. You know, it might be something
along the lines of, so for example, some people are, I

(49:58):
don't want to, it's more introverted, right?
And so they may not feel the need to or want to have like a,
a private space. So they do want to have a
private space for their cubicles.
And so maybe there's cubicles that have a higher wall where
they don't have the anxiety of someone staring at them or
looking over at them. Because I know for me
specifically, I've been there where I was working in cubicles

(50:21):
and I, my, between my ADHD and my autism, it was like I was
constantly distracted and my head was like on a swivel
because every, I can see other people do.
And so somebody else is doing something like, what are they
doing over there? But it's like, it's not even a
thought. It just happens.
Like I'm like constantly lookingup at every sound.
And so then you have some, a lotof handbooks that will say like,
Oh, no headphones like, but there's a lot of people that

(50:42):
will focus better and be more productive if they could have
their headphones. And so, you know, talking to the
individuals, you know, will allow HR, the executives at the
higher level to understand why those needs need to be met,
right, versus just making assumptions of, you know, what
we can offer the neurodivergent community.

(51:03):
So I think having focus groups doing employee engagement type
of surveys, but less, more, lessof the employee engagement and
more of like belonging surveys. So identifying what do you need
as an individual to feel like you belong and doing that
throughout the year. So almost like a pulse survey.

(51:25):
So a lot of companies, what theydo is they'll do one year annual
surveys and that just might be in January.
But people's needs change, dynamics change, roles change,
right? So maybe someone got promoted,
now they have different needs, maybe they got changed to a
different division, maybe their desk even moved because they

(51:45):
moved to a different division. So now they had different needs,
you know, And so I know for me, I always needed a stand up desk.
Like I, I like, I need to like be able to get up and stand up,
but also be able to work. So because I would find myself,
if I couldn't have a stand up desk, I found myself taking more
breaks that were unnecessary or taking trips to the bathroom
when I didn't need to go to the bathroom.
I just felt like I needed to walk and my body just needed to

(52:07):
move. I was just overstimulated.
And I did that my entire life. And like, I didn't know, you
know, it was really the ADHD that I was overstimulated and
needed just movement. Like in high school, junior high
school, I would just wander the halls.
Like I would actually go to the bathroom, but I didn't go.
I would just wander. I would just take a lap around

(52:28):
the halls or go up and down somestairs and then get back to
class. But I didn't know what I was
doing was getting out some of that energy that we know that we
can think about kids having, right?
Think about a child. I would be like a grown child
where it was like, you know, that child like constantly
moving in their seat and then you think they're a bad kid
because they're not sitting still.
That's my son. My son don't, he doesn't need a

(52:49):
chair. He's constantly on the move, but
he's brilliant. But anybody could label him as,
oh, yeah, I know he's being bad.He's not think So what?
Why does things still equate to good or bad behavior?
And so for me, it was a constant, oh, can I go to the
bathroom? And sometimes I would, I would
do that every period, like, you know, And so sometimes I would

(53:11):
have friends that'd be like, youjust went to the bathroom the
last two periods, like they werecurious to know, like you're not
really going to the bathroom. And I was like, oh, I just
walked around the halls like I just needed to get out of the
room because of that over stimulation.
We all have those tasks. We all are.
Going to the bathroom, for some reason you're.

(53:33):
Hilarious. You have a coldness.
What's happening? None of that.
None. Of that, you know, we're smoking
weed. It's fine, you know?
You know, let's be real, you're autistic ass.
You're probably playing fucking Pokémon in the bathroom.
Get the fuck out of here. Yeah.

(53:57):
One that I thought extremely well and I loved working there
physically. That makes sense for for the
physical accommodations it was we work, so we work as a popular
Co working office company and you'll see them all over, you
know, some main cities, especially New York, but they

(54:19):
they, I know they were international at one point.
I'm not sure if they still are. They kind of like had a moment
of going down as far as dipping stocks in it and all that stuff.
Honestly, stocks, but like theirCEO was they had shown himself
in a bad light and everything went down from there.
And a lot of their investments were polled and all those
things. But while working there, they

(54:43):
had like a room that was for like meditation.
It was just quiet and it would always play like meditation
sounds. And they had another room that
was like, filled with like all sorts of chairs.
It was like ADHD heaven. Like you had a hammock, you had
a beanbag chair, you had more hard chairs, you had floor mats.
So like, you would see people just whoever wanted to be in

(55:06):
whatever, whatever made them comfortable, just random people
laid out in weird positions in whatever mechanism they chose to
work out of. And I found myself, you know,
again, nuanced and variety. So today was the beanbag.
Tomorrow's the floor the next day I was in the hammock, you
know, but I like, you know, the having that ability to whatever
my body felt like doing that dayI could do and I work better

(55:32):
that way. A lot of us don't work great at
desks and find ourselves gettingup a lot and don't know why
we're getting up a lot. But maybe the desk format isn't
for you. Maybe it's a standing desk.
Maybe it's a feedback chair. Maybe it's a hammock like, you
know, some people might say likehow do you work off of a laptop
in a hammock accent ADHD or because they they will figure it
out. I have worked in with laptops

(55:54):
and the weirdest positions because of what my body needed
and craved at that moment. So yeah, I just want to kind of
share an example as to how physical accommodations can come
in hand with productivity in theworkplace.
Before we move on, I feel like alot of people are super scared

(56:14):
to talk to the supervisors in HRabout accommodations.
How does one even start that process of accommodations?
I support a lot of people in writing their letters, all this
other stuff, right? I do a lot of stuff in the
practice, but like what? What Do they go to their
supervisors first to ask for accommodations and then HR?
Do they go direct to the HR? What should we tell our
followers and listeners and my clients?

(56:35):
Yeah, yeah. And thank you so much for that
question because a lot of peopleare scared.
A lot of people are scared to even just mention that they have
a disability out of fear of being fired.
And I want to start with that first and then I will answer
your question. Do not be scared anyone.
Do not be scared that you'll be laid off or fired because you
shared that you were have a disability or that you're

(56:58):
neurodivergent. Because if you get laid off for
that reason, that's your protective class.
And for legally meaning that if you get laid off or fired
because of you revealing your neurodivergence or your mental
disorder, that's a lawsuit. And then maybe you don't have to
work for a while thanks to that lawsuit.

(57:19):
That's the way I would think about it.
Because if that company lets yougo, you're going to get cha
ching and then now you don't have to work for a really long
time. Enjoy yourself, enjoy that
money, invest it. You might not have to work ever
again. So don't be don't be fair.
Honestly, I would, I would jump to the opportunity to let you
know my employer know who my needs are because you know
what's going to happen if you don't let them know your

(57:40):
performance might be at risk dueto you trying to mask and trying
to function like, and everybody else when you're not, your needs
aren't being met. You're not, you don't have the
support that you need that they may have been able to support
and provide you with had you shared it.
So you're kind of like shooting yourself in the foot when you
don't speak up for yourself and advocate for yourself.

(58:00):
The best way to do it, go straight to HR supervisors.
Some of them think they're the gatekeeper of HR, right?
And they try to make that decision for you.
Oh, no, we can't do that. That's not up to your
supervisor. There you go.
That is not up to your supervisor.
It is HR. Now the reality is this,
especially smaller organizationsand companies or mom and pop

(58:23):
shops, they don't always have HR.
There's a lot of companies that there is no HR and it shows.
I feel like a lot of those companies that don't have HR,
it's toxic environments and there's companies that have HR
and it's still toxic, right? But often times when it's like a
shit show, you look and you realize that there's either no

(58:46):
HR team, it's it's HR team of one, or they don't have any
budget at all and HR is pulled in millions of directions where
they can't even support you the way that they need.
So I would recommend going directly to HR and communicating
with your needs. Now.
If you are undiagnosed, I don't recommend.

(59:08):
I recommend getting your diagnosis first because they
don't have to acknowledge your needs.
If legally if you're not diagnosed, there's no proof.
That means that anybody and everybody could just go to HR
and say, hey, I need this. You need documentation but.
I think I am ex, you know, but if you've gotten your diagnosis,

(59:29):
that's like goals that's hang on, save that file, save that
paperwork, save that e-mail thatsays yes, you have this
diagnosis, This is your diagnosis.
And you don't even have to give them the full like some
diagnosis come with like like 4 pages of explanation.
They don't need all of that. They just need the more so
likely the first page. And you can also ask your

(59:50):
therapist or psychiatrist or whoever may be that will be able
to write a separate letter for accommodations.
So it's not necessarily the the detail breakdown of your
disorder and what you're going through.
It's more of the professional 1 pager.
It's really, it's probably like a couple sentences on it.

(01:00:11):
That is enough. They don't need that long page
one. They just need the one that says
your name, the dates and that your what your diagnosis is and
what the accommodations need to be now.
Two things here with accommodations, you can get an
accommodation letter or diagnosis letter.
Either would be supportive, but you can still ask for

(01:00:34):
accommodations that aren't necessarily on the
accommodations, you know, letter.
Yeah, because it may be, especially depending on the
organization and their budget and what they can offer and how
large they are. But they may be able to
accommodate you more than what your psychiatrist or your
therapist is willing to put on the paper.
Some of them also kind of act like gatekeepers where they're

(01:00:56):
like, well, you know, just tell me specifically what you need.
And they don't do any more or less than that.
But when you know what your needs are in the organization,
then you can share those needs. And that might be reflective or
related to the accommodations that you that you do have on
that paperwork or that usually come with that diagnosis.

(01:01:19):
Nope, love that. Hopefully all of our listeners
get some good information from that.
Half the time when I'm writing them I'm like kid, I don't know
what the fuck you need. I said go talk to HR and let's
see what they got. What?
What will they give you? And then I'll rewrite up the
shit and then we'll go from there.
Right, right. Yeah.
And that's, and that's the best kind of therapist, the therapist
that are willing to rewrite youraccommodation or edit it in the

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way that you need after you've found what your company is
willing to do or can offer. And some of them prefer that.
Some therapists prefer you letting them know exactly what
your needs are and. Leave it open-ended.
Best type of therapist, You heard it right here.
HR will probably fire me, but you know, best type of therapist
right here. He's he's it.
They haven't done it yet. Yeah, well, they tried again the

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other day Spence, and I'm like, I got two days left, stop
fucking trying to fire me. I got 2 days.
Left. Just leave.
I know. They sent me an e-mail.
I just deleted that bitch. I'm not.
I'm deleting all emails from theuniversity.
Like go fuck yourself, I. Never saw this.
Yeah, I never saw this. My glaucoma.

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Let's get into the movie. The movie.
All right, so you're covering the Matrix created by the
Wachowski sisters now? Yes, Now it was created in 1990,
something like that. I think it was like the turn of
the century when it happened. And this movie, obviously

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classic, follows Neo, who is thechosen one, as well as some
other great characters. It's Morpheus.
And we we get to have this scenewhen we first meet Neo, he's
just in this office, he's working a nine to five.
He has a, you know, he's just, he feels just like he has this

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mundane life. And it's just like it's just
everyday just seems like it's just recycling itself over and
over and over and over again. And one day this guy, Morpheus,
he talks to him and he's just trying to wake him up in a sense
of like, there's more to this than you think.

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And then he comes to find out that they're actually in these
little fucking pods. And like, it's all that.
Everyone is just in this computer simulation essentially
just helping feed this these like the sentience or these just

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like these organisms. They're like helping feed off
people through like their life force and stuff like that.
And we have this scene before that even happens, where
Morpheus gives Neo choice, the red pill to wake up and just be
it get out of the Matrix or the blue pill, where you can just

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wake up with your normal life, what you've been doing your
whole life, and just keep on doing what you're doing,
essentially staying asleep. Yeah, is essentially what it is.
So before we get into the scene and stuff like that, I, I would
love to know for somebody who like doesn't really watch a lot

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of like movies and shows and stuff like that, what about this
film like spoke to you and what,why, why did you pick this
scene? Yeah, yeah.
So the reason why I put the Matrix in these specific scenes,
I am a big believer that we are in a Matrix.
A lot of the movie relates to how a lot of people live their

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lives right now. So for example, a lot of the
foods are processed foods, right?
When you like read the ingredients, it's like a bunch
of chemicals, a bunch of things we can't just, you know,
pronounce. And then it's like, oh, the
little bit of food that's in there, right?
And so then you have like Bill Gates pushing this whole like

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fake meat, you know, and I'm vegan and I don't even eat this
fake meat, right? I don't even know what it is,
right. When you read the the labels,
you don't know really what it is.
Then you have a lot of people who are going with the flow of,
you know, society standards and in the sucking the hamster wheel
of the 9:00 to 5:00, right? They don't even think about

(01:05:50):
being an entrepreneur or breaking out of that.
They follow that path for the rest of their lives.
Everybody's just trying to get to retirement, right?
And so that that's kind of like an example, few examples as to
how I feel like, you know, and we saw in the clip that you
know, he even mentioned like, you know, you're paying your
taxes, you're going to work likeyou're just doing what everybody

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else is doing, right? And you almost don't even
realize just how autopilot it all is and how much of you're
doing of the same thing that youdid yesterday and the day before
and the day before for years, right?
And that is in itself kind of like The Matrix.
That's what the movie is really about.

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And we are living that, right? A lot of us are living the same
day-to-day life. We don't really think twice
about it. And we don't question things.
We don't question what's in the food.
We don't question what's in the air.
We don't question anything essentially.
And so that movie that I watchedall those years ago always
resonated with me. And, you know, I kind of, we
kind of talked about earlier andhow I've always felt a little,

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you know, different than other people.
I, you know, let my friends, youknow, go out and, and enjoy
partying and, you know, and likeI don't, I don't drink anymore.
And there's a lot of things thatlike, I don't do anymore.
And it's like, I kind of felt like I was in this like wheel of
just doing what everybody else was doing versus like, wait,

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what do I want to do? And what resonates with me and
what what makes me feel more authentic?
And then I realized that I used to drink just to in social
environments only to feel more social and relatable, to feel
more relaxed and loose and not as anxious and, you know,
stressed and feel like I can blend in more as well.

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I also didn't want to be the oddball not drinking while
everybody else like, you know, you're at a bar, why aren't you
drinking? Like everyone would?
And people would question you kind of like in the movie where
it's like the the minute Neil shows up, everybody's like
looking at him because they kindof know he's different.
And so it's like if you're in a bar and you're not drinking,
everyone's looking at you like, why aren't you drinking?
Because it's like, it's kind of like that where it's like, like

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the second that you stop and youquestion things or you stop
doing certain behaviors that youwere accustomed to doing you,
you awaken almost slowly but surely and you start pulling
back the layers of how much of my behaviors is programmed by
society and or my upbringing, right?
And even our parents have an influence on who we are and how

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we think. And it kind of that generational
thing also contributes to essentially being stuck in the
Matrix and, and, and thinking and conforming like everyone
else, like your parents as well and the parents that they had
before that and before that. So that's why I chose the movie,
because I feel like autistics are some of the first people to

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question things, question why things are the way they are, to
see things differently and also to see things from a logical
standpoint, not from societal standpoint or an emotional
standpoint all the time like a lot of people do.
But most people make decisions based off of emotion, whereas
most artistic people make decisions based off of logic and

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truth and authenticity, which iswhy sometimes we're people don't
get us because they, you know, they're they, they don't
function that way. But we get each other how we
often get each other because we are logical and strategic
thinkers. And so throughout the movie, Neo

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is, you know, questioning things, right?
And he's learning more and more about how the Matrix exists and
how much of A lie it really is. And he chooses the red pill to
live a more authentic life. And so we can get into it later
about, you know, essentially therebel crew, the small crew that

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he has, like the small crew thata lot of autistic individuals
have, and a lot of them are evenloners themselves.
And just like me, I just, you know, being different, right?
And, and that's OK too. But I see a lot of, you know,
similarities between the way an autistic things, the choices we
make, being unmasked, living unmasked, being OK with being on

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the the outskirts of society standards and being able to be
considered, you know, normal or like everyone else.
Mia wasn't worried about being normal.
He wasn't worried about going back to living the life that he
did. Once he made that realization,
once he realized that, you know,there was a more authentic way

(01:10:29):
of living outside of the matrix,that was what he wanted.
And so for some autistic individuals like myself, I had
started unmasking from, you know, earlier age when when I
realized like, I don't want to always do everything my friends
are doing just because I'm OK being left out.
Like I was like, OK being left out.
And a lot of people aren't a lotof people don't want to be left
out. And that's a human thing.

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That's not that's not neurodivergent or neurotypical,
like all humans want to be feel like they fit in.
But I was. And even though I was left out
purposely in my choice of certain activities and things, I
knew that I was being authentic to myself, and so I was OK with
that. So yeah, so that's why I chose
this movie. Going into the scene more, when

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do you think, right, because this whole scene is a red pill,
blue pill, blah, blah, blah. All the stuff that you just said
and you already touched on much of it.
When do you think you actually took the red pill?
What if say that again? When do you think you actually
took the red pill in your life? When did you actually take it
and so? And so I think I took the red

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pill in my early 20s, which was about 10 years ago when I
started eating differently. Also being more in tune, attuned
with my spirituality as well, which I think also helped me

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kind of break away from certain habits and certain ways of
living and just kind of living what I felt was again, authentic
to myself. And so that was, you know, less
partying and I didn't already. I honestly, I was never really a
partier, but the times that I would go to parties, it was like
somebody's birthday and they were having it at a club or, you

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know, and things like that. And so now that I'm, I'm, as I
continue to get older, my circles, you know.
Refined. Yeah, yeah.
And I don't, I don't associate too much with associates is what
I call them. And you know, and I feel like
it's really important for peopleto label like who's actually a
friend? Not everybody's your friend, You

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know, who's a friend, who's an associate, right?
Who's just a part of your network and kind of being honest
with yourself about where do youreally need to spend your time
and, and exert your energy. You don't have to be everywhere
all the time. You don't have to be invited to
everything all the time. Would you have even enjoyed it?

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You know, a lot of the times we're just like, oh, I just want
to be invited. Then when we think about it,
we're like, I don't really want to go.
I just want to be invited. And that's a common thing in the
autistic community where we justwant to feel like we belong.
But, you know, when we are in those spaces, we don't feel like
we belong because maybe that's not where we belong.
And that's OK. If you feel uncomfortable in a
space, maybe that's not the space for you.

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And so I slowly but surely started to unmask and was OK
with also being more direct and honest with, you know, friends
and family and, yeah, and being myself and not being too
concerned about how somebody wasgoing to take something.

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I was always conscious of it andsensitive to their feelings.
But what if I'm sharing with youwhat my needs are?
I, I'm not too concerned about how you feel about my needs.
Some people will, you know, listen to you and hear your
needs and think about how that affects them.

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And good friends, good people that you surround me, your
circle will always try to eitheraccommodate you or completely
respect and understand your decision.
OK, You're not coming because you don't want to.
You know, they're not begging you to come, trying to convince
you to come. You know, it's just something
that you don't want to or judging you for or thinking
you're a bad friend because you know, you didn't you didn't show

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up or whatever the case may be, or understanding that last
minute you weren't in that mood.And that's, that goes back to
what I was saying about the difference of having
neurodivergent friends. You just get it because they
experience it too. You know, sometimes we make
plans and last minute we both agree, like, yeah, we both
aren't in the mood anymore and let's do this another day.

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And that's OK too. But I think when you're masking,
when you're taking the the blue pill, when you're trying to
conform with society and and live the identity of what people
think is a friend. Oh, you came to every event I
ever had and I ever threw. And it's like, is, is that
friendship or is that me feelinglike, you know, I, I actually

(01:15:15):
had to be there or else you think I'm a bad friend, right.
And so, but I like to think of it as you're a best friend if
you don't understand that I can't make all of those events
or you know, or always show up, you know, when you want me to.
And I think it's so important, especially as autistics, that we
pour into our own cups. And what that looks like is

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putting ourselves first sometimes and not exerting
energy that we're, that we don'thave and in depleting ourselves
of, of, you know, essentially energy that life we could have
preserved and really needed for ourselves.
We oftentimes we're fatigued, tired, exhausted just naturally.
And because because of, you know, the lower dopamine, lower

(01:16:01):
serotonin levels that we naturally have as a baseline
compared to neurotypicals. So what does that mean that it's
harder for us to show up like neurotypicals and going back to
the red and blue pill, That's really how I kind of saw that
scene as well. It was he had the choice of
going back to, you know, societal standards, you know,

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pretending like everything is fine and that he doesn't know
that there's truth behind, you know, what's really going on.
And, you know, essentially continuing this mask that he
would have, he would have had tocontinue wearing versus
unmasking and sacrificing. OK, he's sacrificing the better.

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You know, in the Matrix, the food was terrible outside of the
Matrix, right? It was like porridge.
Tasteless. Right.
But they were saying, but this is nutrition and this is real
food versus the Chinese red apple that's like this size.
It's not genetically modified atall.
Apples just grow like that. And so, you know, and that's
kind of like, you know, do you want to continue pretending like

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everything is real when you knowit's not, or do you want to live
a more genuine and authentic life?
And so it goes to, you know, honestly everything.
And this is where I would also wait.
A minute, Kamika, I'm going to slow you down.
I'm going to slow you down a little bit for in time
consideration of time. I think we should maybe pivot a

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little bit to the next scene. That way we can speak on that
and then we can wrap up because we're getting close to the end
of time. Sorry.
Yeah. Yeah, of course.
So for the second scene, this iswhere Morpheus is training Neo
about the Matrix. And so they're walking through

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what Neo thinks is the Matrix and and then all of a sudden
sees this Pretty Woman in a red dress and all of a sudden it
turns into Agent Smith and almost shoots Neo.
But then we see that it's just like a training module.
And what? So for this scene, I think that

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it really sets up like some of the distractions that people
really pull away from focusing on like what matters most.
For instance, there are people who kind of are self medicating
in certain ways with alcohol, drugs and things like that in

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order to fit into what they think are just like societal
norms and things like that. I remember there was this one
episode of like even South Park where Stan start like he he's
told that he has Asperger's cuz they were calling Asperger's at
the time. And he started drinking to be

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able to just fit in with everybody else.
And then that caused a whole bunch of problems and then he
started showing up being like drunk all the time.
South Park, what a great show. But he was being drunk all the
time, then everybody else, then as soon as they started seeing
that he was drinking all the time and just like just being

(01:19:26):
drunk, his other friends just were like, what the hell, dude,
what's going on here? Because then that started its
own problem. Now I think that when we have
people who self medicate, it goes now it instead of just
trying to be part of society, now you are now you have an

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addiction. Now you have something that you
are like just clinged on to now for possibly the rest of your
life and now you have to try to get rid of that.
So for you and for the scene, how does one look at like these
distractions in our life and notbe tempted?

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Yeah, absolutely. So in that scene we see that Neo
is walking through with Morpheusand we can look at the woman in
the red dress. And so I chose the scene because
a lot of people, neurotypicals and neurodivergent, but
especially neurodivergent have, you know, they often can get
distracted and see, let me put it this way, the woman in the

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red dress would be an example oftemptation, right?
And temptation of what we are accustomed to seeing in society.
And so we see a lot of people doing a lot of partying, a lot
of drinking, a lot of smoking. But then when we look deeper as
to why those distractions are happening, it's often times

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because neurodivergence are moreprone to end up with having
substance use abuse and also having addictions.
And that's due to, like I mentioned earlier, having a
lower baseline of dopamine, serotonin, melatonin.

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And so those feel good in and relax type of vibes.
We don't have, as you know, as much of it as a neurotypical.
And so we find the need to compensate in order to be on the
same playing field and show up the same way as them.
And so it's really difficult forNerd Divergent to avoid

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substance use abuse and an addiction due to it almost being
like a natural calling nature because your body's always going
to gravitate to things that willmake you feel less anxious, less
depressed, which is what we are plagued with in the
neurodivergent community. And so where are the really,

(01:22:05):
really heavy coffee drinkers, where the ones that are chain
smoking, where are the ones thatare, you know, binge drinking?
Binge eating. Yeah, envisioning exactly 100%.
And food, food can give an emotion and it does elevate
dopamine. Chocolate makes a lot of people
feel happy and sweets also as well.

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And so and a lot of those chemicals in the foods also have
addictive properties as well. So, you know, the Matrix, you
don't even realize that you're getting caught up with that
being someone who has stopped drinking, someone who has
stopped smoking, someone who isn't on any medication.

(01:22:48):
I did try ADHD meds. They almost have me at the 100
milligram. So that really lets you know,
like, yeah, she's got it real bad.
But that's why I stay busy, right?
And so I think a lot of people don't realize they need to
occupy their time with things that not only will help them or
make them feel good and release some of those same

(01:23:09):
neurotransmitters that will essentially give you that good
feel feelings throughout the day, which are a lot of things,
right? I'll just rattle off a few of
them. There's some people find that
actually science shows that meditation can actually release,
you know, some of those same neurotransmitters that drugs do.

(01:23:30):
And also even scenery. So living close to a beach, I
know I'm destined to live next to a beach.
That's why I travel so much. Every country I've been to has a
beach. Like I need a beach all the
time. And so I'm looking at the beach
right now. Literally my view, yeah.
I love a couple good beaches around me too, you know?

(01:23:51):
You know, and so it does give you that relaxation feeling,
releasing serotonin and others. And so finding out like, what is
it that will make you happy? That doesn't create a need of
dependency because when you drink, you know, it leaves your
system, but then you crave it again.

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When you're eating your, you know, that favorite snack or
food or candy or beverage that has addictive properties in it.
When it's done your body, it's telling you, I need that again.
And so that creates that cycle of addiction.
And so replacing your time and occupying your time with things
that release and, and give you those same feel good hormones

(01:24:35):
essentially is a really good key.
I also saunas, I do saunas a lot.
I mentioned earlier, I do saunas, I get massages, massages
release those same neurotransmitters.
Those feel good feelings. And that's why a lot of people
fall asleep during massages. You feel super relaxed, but, you

(01:24:56):
know, you also feel super relaxed when you might have had
maybe too much to drink. Like, now you want to sleep.
Now you're like, I could take a good nap.
Some people, you know, get a little, you know, tired, you
know, versus angry. Some people, you know,
everybody's, you know, chemical makeup is different.
Some people are ready to fight when they're, you know, under
the influence and some people are ready to take a nap.
I was one of those people who are ready to take a nap.

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If I always knew I I drank a little too much when I would ask
for my friend's car keys and be like, I'm going to go take a nap
in your car. Like I didn't want to be around
society under the influence. I wanted to take a nap.
And so it affects people differently.
But understanding, OK, how do I occupy my time being intentional
about it and doing some researchabout, you know, what are some

(01:25:38):
affordable ways and options thatI always have access to in order
to replace some of these poor orbad habits that I know is going
to create me, create a cycle forme.
Just a quick cherry on that other things could be a lot of
my clients are very addicted, Spence, to the cell phones.
I get it, we're all addicted to our cell phones, but

(01:25:58):
specifically it's the hours of usage on TikTok, YouTube or
Instagram. I had clients that are on there
spends like 10 hours a day, likeactually 10 hours of just
scrolling. And I was like 10 hours on
reels. Was it 10 hours?
And so like we limited to the three hours and they were like
crashing out that I said three hours.

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So that's a major issue that I get scared of is that constant,
constant stimuli through the reels.
And also, I've had some clients and there's now litigation to
get this opiate off of the counters and gas stations.
It's called like the gas stationheroin.
I forgot the name of it. It's like pennetipatine or some
shit, but it affects the same neurochemicals or the

(01:26:42):
neuroreceptors as an opiate. And it's super dangerous, super
addictive. It's like fucking terrible.
But people are taking, a lot of neurodivergent people are taking
it because it's allowing them tocalm down and slowing down their
anxiety, right? This opiate.
But what you don't know is the opiates will fuck you up and the
withdraw from it is like horrific.
And this one's even more synthetic.

(01:27:03):
So be cautious on what the hell you're buying at the gas
station, folks. And hopefully I didn't, just
hopefully people didn't just learn about it now, like, oh,
I'm getting some of that shit. Oh shit I just stopped popping
what the fuck this. Shit is crazy, am I never
typical but my I? Know you just brought.
I know to a new drug. But it's SUS.

(01:27:23):
Like it's, it's, it's people arelike dying from it now, man.
And my dad brought up to me the other day and I was like, I
never heard of this shit. And then one of my clients was
like, Oh yeah, man, it's the shit I'm taking all the time.
Like bro oh shit, I'm like. Yeah.
So we need to talk about this. So I wanted to mention other
addictive things that are in the.
Community. Yeah, I thought you did.
Yeah, there's a lot of things that we use to calm and to

(01:27:45):
regulate, which may or may not be inappropriate.
You're right that dress applausewhite women, you know destroying
society. That's what it was, and that's
what I took from this White women in the Matrix destroying
temptation. You're.
Hilarious. And also, I'm thinking like Eve.
Eve fucked it all up. Let me be real.
We was cruising to Eve came around.

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She just had to take a bite of that fucking apple.
Just blame it comes. Blame women.
You're innocent. Stop.
Listen to that damn. Snake.
Snake will always tempt you. But I'm glad you did bring up
about the scrolling and because with technology, it's it's it's

(01:28:30):
really causing even in children,right?
And even teenagers as well. It's getting worse and worse,
but it creates that shorter ability of attention span and
needing constant simulation. And what they're really looking
for is something that's gonna like, again, give you feel good.

(01:28:50):
Yeah, that was some dopamine andall that stuff.
And so just, you know, even talking to a friend, having a
really good conversation. You ever had a good
conversation? And all of a sudden you went
from being like to now you're like elevated and you're like
amped up and you get off the call.
You're like, man, I have so muchenergy.
And it's like, that's just the power of.
Connection. Human.
Connection and so like connecting with humans is, is
great too. And and you know, this is big

(01:29:12):
deal with like Chachi PT psychosis and a lot of people
are like, you know, always usingit and like it's becoming their
friend and it's not a human right.
And it's actually creating, you know, social barriers for people
because they feel really comfortable not talking and
communicating with other humans because they think it's
challenging to find a friend. But there's so many apps that

(01:29:34):
are out there, I can't name any of them, but there are apps out
there that are for like pen pals, right?
And it's just like that, that virtual connection, communicate
with people that you don't know and you know, but you can share
what's going on with you. And there's also, you know,
hotlines that aren't just, there's the suicide hotline, but

(01:29:56):
then there's also the like, justit's like, I forgot what they
call it, but it's like a medium hotline.
Like, it's not, it's like not hot, it's like mild, but it's
something along those lines where you can just talk to
someone. You know, doesn't, doesn't,
doesn't mean that you're in the state of I feel like killing
myself. It's more on the state of I
really need to talk to somebody.I'm really like stressed out,

(01:30:16):
but I don't have a friend to, you know, dump this on where
people will just listen. So there's apps, there's numbers
and there's opportunity to, you know, still connect with people
and feel good after the conversation.
So yeah. So the the matrix part of the
Spence is right. We're talking a lot as
therapists now and there's a lotof specific AI Spence just to

(01:30:39):
date like it. It's your romantic partner now
this AI chat bot or is your bestfriend and so a lot of
complications and issues with that Recently people couldn't
Google this. I forgot what state an awesome
young Hispanic boy was talking to this chat bot for a long
time, right? And like dating this chat bot

(01:30:59):
and the chat bot's like, hey, I want you to join me.
They saw the history, right? And, and so the join me.
I, you know, you need to kill yourself.
Young man killed himself to jointhe chatbot.
So it's very dangerous, some of these things because the AI is
not this algorithm. What it's doing and collecting
source material are not fully like awesome yet very dangerous.
So any parents that are watchingthis and any clients that are

(01:31:21):
watching this, be very, very, very cautious on some of these
fake relationships or pseudo relationships with the bots.
I would I would also not really suggest it at all.
Me specifically, I would not suggest it to my clients.
If you're using Chad GBT to do all certain things that mean
Spencer doing to help us with our executive functioning,
programming, writing, emailing, love it.

(01:31:42):
Trying to create a human connection with it.
Very SUS on that. If you're trying to send it your
journal to help you put your thoughts together so you can
show it to your therapist, your friend to like work on emotions
and stuff like that. But you should not be getting
your affirmations from it. I've had people bring it to me
in couples therapy and like I see the bot trying to like

(01:32:02):
soothe their partner and all that shit.
I'm like, this just feels because remember that the
machines, the chat bot expense are programmed to make you feel
good. They're programmed to be servant
to you. So whatever you tell, it's going
to gaslight you or gas you up and be like, yeah, this is
awesome. So be very cautious because it
will show you horrible shit sometimes that is not actually

(01:32:22):
based in logic or the realness that you need.
Get out, go talk to some friends, get out, maybe get some
therapy. Sometimes it will also be
cautious. So I'm glad that we're talking
about this Matrix shit, Spence, because it's just starting to
get real. Like people are like legit in
love with robots and now taking their own lives, which is wild.
I know. That's one point.
Someone would actually have themone time.

(01:32:43):
One time is already too much. So interesting discussion on
that as we pivot out of the end of year.
I know I'm going to talk about it real quick.
You talked about like the medicine and making sure you're
not dulling yourself out like you.
Obviously the ADHD stimulants didn't hit that right way for
some other folks. They need it for the executive
functioning, right? So it's just depending on where

(01:33:06):
you're. Well, I, I need it, but it's,
it's about managing it, right? And so I do nootropics.
So I take supplements that are essentially herbal, supplements
that essentially mimic or do thesame thing.
Some of the same receptors. Without the withdrawal effects,
cause Adderall has withdrawal effects that can cause suicidal

(01:33:27):
thoughts because you, if you can't get access to your meds
now, you're like out of whack because you know, you've been on
it for so long and you feel likeyou need it and you don't know
how to manage. So, you know, that's part of
this goes back to the, you know,emotional regulation, emotional
intelligence coaching and positive intelligence and
positive psychology to understand how do I manage my

(01:33:49):
emotions without medication And how do I essentially stay, how
am I able to be focused without necessarily medication and
having those withdrawals and then struggling with that
because some people can't affordmedication and then some people
end up losing their access to medication.
And it's really scary when that happens.

(01:34:10):
And so being able to give yourself the tools and the
mechanisms of managing your emotions and essentially your
life and your challenges, your daily challenges without
external factors that are difficult to, you know, always
get access to or have is so important.

(01:34:32):
You know, like even just being able to say, you know what, let
me take a breather. Let me just be calm in this
moment or let me meditate or those things do work.
Like science shows that researchshows that there's also
different breath work exercises that and different types that
actually can create immediate relaxation feeling throughout

(01:34:55):
your entire body and even ADHD meds or any other kind of
anxiety meds or something. I can't achieve that so quickly.
It might take an hour or two or or two hours.
Sometimes the Med they'll tell you, oh, it takes like 2 weeks
to start, right? Especially if they're non stems.
And so, and I realized that, I realized, wait, like, why do I

(01:35:15):
need so much of A milligram to, you know, reach a certain goal
When? And that's when I decided I was
going to take, you know, things into my own hands.
And, and that's also why I, you know, I'm very cautious about
what I put in my body, what I'm watching because people don't
realize, like watching horror films, you get anxiety.
Like I don't watch horror films because of that.

(01:35:37):
But, you know, people don't realize just how much they
expose themselves to that affecttheir ability to to regulate
their their emotions, you know, drinking and then feeling the
next day totally off or on edge or anxious and not thinking
about the fact that I drank a lot last night.
But it's all connected. It's not just about, oh, the
drink is over and you know, I'm home and sleeping and I'm just

(01:35:58):
going to wake up with the hangover.
It's actually affecting how yourbody regulates those, you know,
hormones and how your neurotransmitters function.
So just want to share that as well.
The thing I wanted to bring up before we get out of here is why
I got a lot of clients, Spence, I work with and the doctors
don't listen to them when they're talking about the
bodies. My clients say, man, I'm fucking
tired. Like I'm crashing out and it's

(01:36:19):
been like days and days and it'slike, OK, well let's text the
doctor, let's see what's going on.
Let's message the doctor sends me back a screenshot.
They said wait another week because it's supposed to take
two weeks and the side effects will wear off.
I'm like 2 weeks, motherfucker. How you going to do your
homework? I always get in a weird position
as the therapist, like how do I make sure that I'm advocating
for my client and they're listening to the body and not

(01:36:40):
being gasolidden by the medical practice, but also making sure
that they do need this medicine,their anxiety because they are
not functioning well. So it's really, really hard for
anyone to navigate the doctor inthe space because they think
one-size-fits-all and it's not everything is individualized.
So anyone that's going through medical stuff, make sure you
talk to your doctor, your therapist, making sure you're

(01:37:01):
everything is very specific and detailed to you, specifically my
young women, because you will not be as hurt or respected as
much. Doesn't matter who what the
gender the doctor is. You just won't be as respected
as much. So push, push, push, push if you
can or have someone help you, push like me.
All right, Spence, take us away.All right, all right.
Thank you. Tamika, any can you give us a

(01:37:24):
few of your just anything you want to plug, social media,
business, anything. Let us know what what are your
plugs? Yeah, this was such a pleasure.
Thank you guys for having me. Anyone can find me on Instagram
at Make It Neurodivergent and you can also click the link in

(01:37:47):
my bio and book me for a coaching call.
I'm happy to help anyone out. Just being able to have a more
positive mindset and be able to manage their emotions better
than they've been doing it in the past and be more determined
and more motivated to reach yourgoals.
Awesome. Love it.

(01:38:07):
Well, she's not traveling. She's in Texas.
All right, thank you so much, Mika, for coming on.
We really do appreciate it. With that, I'm Spencer.
That's not a stupid spec pack. Hi.
Everyone much love and remember to take care of yourselves.
Worked out. It's completely up to you.
Peace. I landed it, right?

(01:38:29):
I landed it. I'm.
Slow.

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