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SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
welcome to the different thinking podcast where
creativity is welcomeconventional wisdom is tried and
tested and growth anddevelopment are nourished so
that someday you can help tochange the world now here's your
host zach hensrood
SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
have you ever hit rock bottom i mean i'm sure
Thank you so much for joiningus.
(00:54):
And really, I think it'simportant right out of the gate
to define what rock bottom is.
It has been defined throughoutmovies and books and
motivational speaking.
I mean, I think of Les Brown.
Les Brown will always say, orI've heard him say multiple
(01:16):
times, if you can get knockeddown, but you can look up, you
can get up.
And that is the most importantthing.
It doesn't matter if you getknocked down that you hit the
ground.
It's that you can bounce backup.
The philosopher and Philadelphiaboxer Rocky in Rocky 6 says it's
(01:38):
not about how hard you can gethit.
It's about how hard you can gethit and still keep going
forward.
So this idea of rock bottom,again, is not unique.
It's not abnormal.
It is actually a very normalthing that people will face
(02:00):
throughout their lives.
And especially as leaders, wewill face some sort of level of
rock bottom.
And so in this episode, I wantedto share, while we will, you and
I as leaders, face rock bottom,How do we bounce back?
(02:21):
How do we get back up?
But I want to spend a little bitmore time in this definition
because I think it's importantwhile you may be listening to
this and you try to apply itonly to business or only to
financial.
I think that's a mistake becausewe're made up of much more than
just what we do for a living orhow much money we make.
(02:44):
And I know that In this podcast,while this is centered towards
leaders who are folks that leadorganizations like businesses or
nonprofits or even sports teams,that it does come down to more
of the process and of theorganization on top of the
(03:06):
financial benefits.
I think it's also important tounderstand that we're much more
than that.
Now, any personal developmentorganization person, coach,
trainer, consultant, guru.
They all have their differingbuckets or circles or beings of
what makes up you.
(03:26):
And they all have around four tosix of those that make up a
single person.
And when I laid it out on mypaper here, I just laid it out
as the physical.
I laid it out as family.
I laid it out as business.
I laid it out as financial, andthen I laid it out as spiritual.
(03:48):
So I have five rings or bucketsor beings that make up an
individual.
And while you may say, wait aminute, business and financial,
they're kind of hand in hand.
Well, while they could be, evenas leaders, we can't make that
assumption because there arefolks on here that their
(04:09):
financial wellness does not meettheir business wellness and vice
versa.
Meaning that they may be amanager that will still be
compensated even if the businessis struggling.
Or if they are strugglingpersonally or they're struggling
in their financial being, thebusiness may still be in a
(04:34):
operable place or a good place.
It doesn't always coincide withall levels of leaders.
A lot of times when you go,wait, no, they should be
together.
That's really like a businessowner or someone that is
benefited for how well thebusiness processes.
Another thing is, is while Idefinitely believe that when you
(04:55):
hit rock bottom and in a certainlevel, it actually permeates in
other levels or other beings orother buckets, such as stuff in
business.
There's been operations ofbusiness that have not gone well
to the point that it has feltlike the business has hit a rock
(05:17):
bottom.
Well, it permeated into mypersonal life where my physical
life, my physical being, whereall of a sudden I am now not as
disciplined when it comes to myeating or exercising.
The stress, the strain, thefocus, maybe even the worry,
(05:39):
right?
The anxiety that the businesshitting a place where it could
be defined as a rock bottom hascaused my anxiety physical being
to hit a rock bottom.
And, but I know like some willsay, when you start to hit a
(05:59):
rock bottom in one of these, itmay cause another one to grow.
Like my coach, Brian Buffiniwould say, Hey, if you're having
struggles in the financialworld, your spiritual world
grows really, really quickly.
And that can be true as well.
Is that while these are Whilethese beings or these buckets do
(06:20):
get affected with each other,there can be growth amongst
hitting rock bottom.
Another thing I wanted to coverbefore getting into how we can
make a change or how you and Ican make a change as leaders is
I want to talk about thisthought and this idea that it's
not all just one level.
When I talk about rock bottom,rock bottom is that is the
(06:42):
lowest level that youemotionally and mentally can can
persevere too.
So when challenges arise,obstacles, difficulty, stress,
anxiety, there is a certainlevel, and it's not a physical
level, you can't see it, butinternally you can sense it.
There is a level that once youget to that low emotionally or
(07:09):
mentally, that voice in the backof your head, your inner critic
says, It's time to quit.
It's time to stop.
It's time to give up.
And it's not just a whisper andit's not just a normal voice.
It is screaming.
It's where you can't, if youwere working out, it's where you
(07:31):
can't physically lift your armsor it's where you have fallen
down and you need help gettingback up.
I think of, I've seen recentlyvideos of marathon runners that
their legs are spasming out.
And I want you to think aboutthat emotionally and mentally.
You just can't take anotherstep, another breath.
(07:52):
You can't move.
That's rock bottom.
That is the lowest level ofperseverance that you can go.
Now, when things are going good,you don't have to worry about
rock bottom.
It doesn't exist.
You are flying high, but whenthings are going bad, when
they're going below expectationand it, the trajectory continues
(08:13):
to fall.
Well, this is where you get tothis place.
Now I subscribe to rock bottomis like an ocean floor, right?
When I start to think about rockbottom, it's like an ocean
floor.
Perseverance is a muscle.
It is something that you can'tgo zero to 100.
(08:36):
It's a muscle.
It's a mental and emotionalmuscle that you have to work
out.
And so with perseverance, withthis idea of getting to that
place of breaking down, Uh, youhave to, to work that out.
Uh, and so there's differinglevels, just like an ocean
(08:57):
floor.
You know, when you start to stepoff the beach and into the
water, the, the, the bottomstarts to, you know, slope down,
but it, it is one of thosethings that, um, it there's,
there's differing levels.
If I was out in the there'scliffs and there's, it's not
(09:21):
always a, a, a gradual slope.
And, and so there's some extrememoments where rock bottom, where
you will, where you will go pastthat, that place of
comfortability and get to aplace where you just want to
give up and you just want toquit.
And so actually what inspiredthis episode was Brianna Weist
(09:42):
wrote a book called the mountainis you.
I've read it a A very, very goodbook about self-sabotaging and
how to overcome that.
But in chapter one, she hitsthis idea on rock bottom and it
is the best thought in andaround what happens when you hit
(10:06):
rock bottom.
And she said this in her book.
She said, rock bottom is veryoften where we begin on our
healing journey.
This is not because we suddenlysee the light, not because our
worst days are magicallytransmuted into some type of
epiphany and not because someonesaves us from our own madness.
(10:30):
Rock bottom becomes a turningpoint because it is only at that
point that most people think Inever want to feel this way
again.
And that got me thinking, Well,obviously when we hit rock
bottom or when you and I hitrock bottom, we have to make a
change.
So I was recently in aconference with Brian Buffini
(10:53):
and he shared the four reasonswhy people make a change.
And as I started to study thesefor this episode, I realized
that this is exactly how webounce off.
You and I as leaders bounce offrock bottom.
Now they're going to be varyinglevels, just like I said, rock
bottom, rock is varying levels.
(11:14):
You cannot compare your rockbottom with somebody else,
because I will tell you thistruth.
When you think you have it theabsolute worst, where you feel
like you're at the bottom of thebottom, I can guarantee you that
there's somebody in this worldwishing and praying to be at the
level that you're at.
And if you looked at the levelof rock bottom that they're at,
(11:36):
you're like, no, thank you.
I am glad to be right here.
That's the danger in comparingpeople.
Now, obviously, there's otherpeople who are nowhere near rock
bottom that you're looking upand saying, I want to be like
them.
But that's not how life works.
You have your own journey.
You have your own way.
(11:57):
And you've got to go that way.
No one else can walk thatjourney for you.
And so these four ways ofreasons why people make a change
are They're varying differences.
Like some are going to seemlike, well, at rock bottom, that
doesn't make sense.
But I'm going to share with youwhy they do.
(12:18):
So number one, reason numberone, people make a change.
When they see enough, they'reinspired to.
You know, sometimes when we hitrock bottom, when...
you and I see the change that wewant to make that are in other
people and we see how itbenefits them, then it inspires
(12:41):
you and I to make that change.
We can be inspired to make thatchange.
We can, together, you and I, wecan make the change because of
what we see.
It's very hard in rock bottomsometimes if it's a very deep
depth of rock bottom to be ableto see the change.
(13:06):
But if it's something wherethings are just going outside of
expectation, you can be inspiredby others.
And I would encourage you, lookto others that you would like to
go to.
Now, I know that sounded likebasically I was contradicting
myself.
It's okay to be inspired byother people sometimes.
But don't compare yourself toother people.
(13:28):
There's a difference.
See, I can look towards anOlympian, but I'm not going to
go in like an Olympian runner.
Usain Bolt.
I can look and be inspired byhis training regimen, by his
consistency, his discipline, hisfocus.
But I'm not going to go runaround the track and compare
(13:51):
myself to his outcomes.
I can be inspired, but I don'thave to compare what I'm doing
to him.
If that makes sense, becausethat's where the difference is.
You can be inspired by people,but you have to walk your own
journey.
You're not going to always getthe same outcomes that they
will, but success does leaveclues that you can be successful
(14:12):
in your own journey.
And so when you see enough, thatwill actually inspire you to
make the change.
Number two, when they learnenough, They want to.
This got me really thinking.
I had to take a time to ponderthis because this idea of when
(14:33):
they've learned enough, theywant to.
And what I realize is this isthat there is really, to my
knowledge, no great one sizefits all school that I can go to
to learn everything I need tolearn about leadership.
There's really not.
I mean, there's different waysto grow as a leader.
(14:54):
You could join the United Statesmilitary if you're in the United
States.
You could go to business school.
You could take leadershipcourses.
But with leadership, it is alsovery, very unique in that you're
(15:15):
always learning.
There's not one source that youcan just...
take and use and say, I have nowlearned it all.
So as you're going and as thingsstart to unravel, or as you
start to head towards rockbottom, one of the tenants that
I've learned in life is thataction alleviates anxiety.
(15:38):
So as things are not working, itis the ability to go and learn
and act on what you learn thatcan make the change.
And so, uh, when, uh, peoplestart to learn enough, that's
when they want to, that's whenthey're like, ah, okay, you know
what?
For years, I know I've beenputting this stuff in my body
(15:58):
that has not been serving orfeeding it.
And now that I've learned thehealth problems that come with
this, now I'm going to make achange.
And so you can see, or you canlearn, and that can help you
make those changes.
Or number three, when theyreceive enough.
Now, when I heard receive, Uh,it's when they've received
(16:21):
enough, they're able to.
So I immediately went to money.
I mean, that's where my mindwent.
So when they earn enough,obviously you can then be able
to make a change more moneywhile it creates more problems.
It also creates more ability tochange your circumstances
really, really quickly.
But.
(16:41):
that's not necessarily exactlywhat Brian was getting at is he
was getting at as well as notonly money, but counsel or
coaching as you receive morethan you'll be able to, as you,
as you get, as you get that,that can consultation as, as you
get the coaching, as you get theinformation, as you get the
(17:03):
counsel.
Now you can see around thatcorner and you're able to make
that change.
And so these three are very whatI would call on the lighter end
of making changes.
It really requires action andeffort on your behalf.
You need to you need to be outthere looking or learning or
(17:23):
receiving that information.
You need to you need to createthat change.
That's what those three tell me.
There's three that you cancontrol.
Now, this last one is exactlywhere I think when you truly hit
rock bottom.
And what Brianna said in herbook was this.
(17:46):
When they hurt enough, they haveto.
When they hurt enough, they haveto.
And if I read that paragraphagain, it says when we begin our
healing journey.
See, the interesting thing isyou cannot heal if you are not
hurt.
If you are not hurt.
(18:06):
There's no reason for healing.
I think of all my joints or Ithink of as I age, there are
certain things that hurt thatI'm looking for healing.
But the other joints or theother things that don't hurt, I
don't need healing.
I don't need to heal somethingthat isn't broken or that
(18:29):
doesn't hurt.
And so...
This one right here is when theyhurt enough, they have to.
This is like the moments that wesee inspiring in all the movies
that characters that get writtenin and around that hit great
(18:50):
difficulty.
I was just watching with myfamily, The Cinderella Man with
Russell Crowe.
And he's fighting Max Bear,right?
And he gets knocked down andknocked down to the point that
he's knocked out and he sees hislittle girl.
And it's something where, youknow, he realizes why he is
(19:10):
fighting and it's for bread andmilk.
I was also watching warrior,which is with Tom Hardy and it's
a MMA fighting movie.
And it's about two brothers.
And there was a scene where oneof the brothers who's really
down on his luck.
I mean, A house is going to betaken.
His wife and him work betweeneach other.
Three jobs.
(19:31):
He just got suspended from oneof his jobs.
He has two kids.
And the bank has said, hey, I'mtaking your house.
You can see how this all buildsup.
And he's fighting somebody thathe should not even be in the
ring with.
And what I mean by that is hisskills do not match the person
that he is fighting.
That person he's fighting shouldbeat him 10 out of 10 times.
(19:55):
And he's able to survive tworounds.
It's a three round fight.
And his trainer looks at him andjust says, Hey, Hey, uh, it's,
it's, it's time.
You know, I can just throw inthe towel and you can go home.
And in this scene, his wife isalso sitting in the crowd and
she's looking at him and he'slike, go get, go get your wife.
And, and I'll throw in thetowel.
(20:15):
You just go get your wife.
You guys head home and go home.
And it's okay.
You don't have to do thisanymore.
You don't have to fight thisanymore.
Just, just go home.
But remember, When you leave,they're going to take the house.
I mean, that's, what's at stakeis that while you can leave this
and you can walk away from this,they're going to take your
(20:35):
safety.
They're going to take yourhouse.
And he goes, you have to knockthis guy out or you lose the
house.
And in that moment, you just seethis, a mental transition, this
connection that this pain, thisthat's inside him is burning so
hot that he has to make thechange, that he has to go into
(20:58):
that fight, that last round withso much passion that he has to
beat somebody that should beathim 10 out of 10 times.
And honestly, as leaders, thoseare those moments where when
that pain gets incredibly hard,you have to make the change.
(21:20):
Now it's not, oh, it'd be niceto...
It's not that it's easy to.
It has to become the rallyingcry.
It might be where you have tomake those moves in your
organization.
You have to move staff around.
It may be that you have to cutexpenses or you have to change
programs that while people like,they're just not serving the
(21:45):
overall purpose.
When you hit rock bottom, youhave to make those changes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
(22:22):
It is one of the mostlife-changing things you can
ever experience.
It becomes the foundation uponwhich you build everything else.
See, the thing is, is as youbounce back from rock bottom,
which you can, by the way,especially when you have that
(22:43):
resolve of, I never want to feelthis way again.
I'm going to make the changes,not because I get to, because I
have to.
And again, In it, you can startto build the foundation that you
never experience this again.
Now, you will experience rockbottom again, but it could be a
different level.
(23:04):
You can start to build thebuffers.
You could start to build aprocess or a system that would
prohibit you from ever comingback to this place again.
See, as leaders, we have toconstantly evolve.
That's why I created thispodcast.
We have to constantly evolve inlearning more because that is
(23:28):
what's required of us.
See, people are looking to us asleaders to have this figured
out.
I know I've created episodes inand around this.
This idea of I suck.
You know, what happens whenreality hits or a grieving
leader?
What happens when that happensor when something's not on
(23:51):
mission?
How do you make a change?
There's all sorts of resourcesout there to help you.
But here's one thing you have topromise me is that you're not
going to stay on rock bottom.
Don't quit right in front of meas I'm talking with you.
I have a board, a letter board,and on there it says, don't Ring
the bell.
And that is in inspiration ofthe Navy SEAL training where
(24:16):
they have a bell in the centerof all their training.
And all you have to do is ringthat bell and everything stops.
Everything becomes immediately,quote unquote, easier, which it
doesn't.
But that's the sense is that allyou got to do is ring that bell.
So here it is right now.
What I'm looking for you to dois to take out piece of paper
(24:39):
because I believe putting onpaper makes it real.
Make that declaration.
If you're at rock bottom, makethat declaration because this
could be the start, the verystart of a foundation that truly
turns your organization, yourbusiness, your team, wherever
you're leading around and trulycreates something incredibly
(25:04):
special.
Well, I really appreciate youlistening to this episode.
(25:27):
Let me know what you like, whatyou're not liking.
I have so much content that I'mexcited to share with you and
bring it down the pipeline here.
And I would like to tailor it towhat you're looking for.
But until next time, remembertoday is a great day to apply
different thinking.
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welcome to the different thinking podcast where
creativity is welcomeconventional wisdom is tried and
tested and growth anddevelopment are nourished so
that someday you can help tochange the world now here's your
host zach hensrood
SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
have you ever hit rock bottom i mean i'm sure
Thank you so much for joiningus.
(00:54):
And really, I think it'simportant right out of the gate
to define what rock bottom is.
It has been defined throughoutmovies and books and
motivational speaking.
I mean, I think of Les Brown.
Les Brown will always say, orI've heard him say multiple
(01:16):
times, if you can get knockeddown, but you can look up, you
can get up.
And that is the most importantthing.
It doesn't matter if you getknocked down that you hit the
ground.
It's that you can bounce backup.
The philosopher and Philadelphiaboxer Rocky in Rocky 6 says it's
(01:38):
not about how hard you can gethit.
It's about how hard you can gethit and still keep going
forward.
So this idea of rock bottom,again, is not unique.
It's not abnormal.
It is actually a very normalthing that people will face
(02:00):
throughout their lives.
And especially as leaders, wewill face some sort of level of
rock bottom.
And so in this episode, I wantedto share, while we will, you and
I as leaders, face rock bottom,How do we bounce back?
(02:21):
How do we get back up?
But I want to spend a little bitmore time in this definition
because I think it's importantwhile you may be listening to
this and you try to apply itonly to business or only to
financial.
I think that's a mistake becausewe're made up of much more than
just what we do for a living orhow much money we make.
(02:44):
And I know that In this podcast,while this is centered towards
leaders who are folks that leadorganizations like businesses or
nonprofits or even sports teams,that it does come down to more
of the process and of theorganization on top of the
(03:06):
financial benefits.
I think it's also important tounderstand that we're much more
than that.
Now, any personal developmentorganization person, coach,
trainer, consultant, guru.
They all have their differingbuckets or circles or beings of
what makes up you.
(03:26):
And they all have around four tosix of those that make up a
single person.
And when I laid it out on mypaper here, I just laid it out
as the physical.
I laid it out as family.
I laid it out as business.
I laid it out as financial, andthen I laid it out as spiritual.
(03:48):
So I have five rings or bucketsor beings that make up an
individual.
And while you may say, wait aminute, business and financial,
they're kind of hand in hand.
Well, while they could be, evenas leaders, we can't make that
assumption because there arefolks on here that their
(04:09):
financial wellness does not meettheir business wellness and vice
versa.
Meaning that they may be amanager that will still be
compensated even if the businessis struggling.
Or if they are strugglingpersonally or they're struggling
in their financial being, thebusiness may still be in a
(04:34):
operable place or a good place.
It doesn't always coincide withall levels of leaders.
A lot of times when you go,wait, no, they should be
together.
That's really like a businessowner or someone that is
benefited for how well thebusiness processes.
Another thing is, is while Idefinitely believe that when you
(04:55):
hit rock bottom and in a certainlevel, it actually permeates in
other levels or other beings orother buckets, such as stuff in
business.
There's been operations ofbusiness that have not gone well
to the point that it has feltlike the business has hit a rock
(05:17):
bottom.
Well, it permeated into mypersonal life where my physical
life, my physical being, whereall of a sudden I am now not as
disciplined when it comes to myeating or exercising.
The stress, the strain, thefocus, maybe even the worry,
(05:39):
right?
The anxiety that the businesshitting a place where it could
be defined as a rock bottom hascaused my anxiety physical being
to hit a rock bottom.
And, but I know like some willsay, when you start to hit a
(05:59):
rock bottom in one of these, itmay cause another one to grow.
Like my coach, Brian Buffiniwould say, Hey, if you're having
struggles in the financialworld, your spiritual world
grows really, really quickly.
And that can be true as well.
Is that while these are Whilethese beings or these buckets do
(06:20):
get affected with each other,there can be growth amongst
hitting rock bottom.
Another thing I wanted to coverbefore getting into how we can
make a change or how you and Ican make a change as leaders is
I want to talk about thisthought and this idea that it's
not all just one level.
When I talk about rock bottom,rock bottom is that is the
(06:42):
lowest level that youemotionally and mentally can can
persevere too.
So when challenges arise,obstacles, difficulty, stress,
anxiety, there is a certainlevel, and it's not a physical
level, you can't see it, butinternally you can sense it.
There is a level that once youget to that low emotionally or
(07:09):
mentally, that voice in the backof your head, your inner critic
says, It's time to quit.
It's time to stop.
It's time to give up.
And it's not just a whisper andit's not just a normal voice.
It is screaming.
It's where you can't, if youwere working out, it's where you
(07:31):
can't physically lift your armsor it's where you have fallen
down and you need help gettingback up.
I think of, I've seen recentlyvideos of marathon runners that
their legs are spasming out.
And I want you to think aboutthat emotionally and mentally.
You just can't take anotherstep, another breath.
(07:52):
You can't move.
That's rock bottom.
That is the lowest level ofperseverance that you can go.
Now, when things are going good,you don't have to worry about
rock bottom.
It doesn't exist.
You are flying high, but whenthings are going bad, when
they're going below expectationand it, the trajectory continues
(08:13):
to fall.
Well, this is where you get tothis place.
Now I subscribe to rock bottomis like an ocean floor, right?
When I start to think about rockbottom, it's like an ocean
floor.
Perseverance is a muscle.
It is something that you can'tgo zero to 100.
(08:36):
It's a muscle.
It's a mental and emotionalmuscle that you have to work
out.
And so with perseverance, withthis idea of getting to that
place of breaking down, Uh, youhave to, to work that out.
Uh, and so there's differinglevels, just like an ocean
(08:57):
floor.
You know, when you start to stepoff the beach and into the
water, the, the, the bottomstarts to, you know, slope down,
but it, it is one of thosethings that, um, it there's,
there's differing levels.
If I was out in the there'scliffs and there's, it's not
(09:21):
always a, a, a gradual slope.
And, and so there's some extrememoments where rock bottom, where
you will, where you will go pastthat, that place of
comfortability and get to aplace where you just want to
give up and you just want toquit.
And so actually what inspiredthis episode was Brianna Weist
(09:42):
wrote a book called the mountainis you.
I've read it a A very, very goodbook about self-sabotaging and
how to overcome that.
But in chapter one, she hitsthis idea on rock bottom and it
is the best thought in andaround what happens when you hit
(10:06):
rock bottom.
And she said this in her book.
She said, rock bottom is veryoften where we begin on our
healing journey.
This is not because we suddenlysee the light, not because our
worst days are magicallytransmuted into some type of
epiphany and not because someonesaves us from our own madness.
(10:30):
Rock bottom becomes a turningpoint because it is only at that
point that most people think Inever want to feel this way
again.
And that got me thinking, Well,obviously when we hit rock
bottom or when you and I hitrock bottom, we have to make a
change.
So I was recently in aconference with Brian Buffini
(10:53):
and he shared the four reasonswhy people make a change.
And as I started to study thesefor this episode, I realized
that this is exactly how webounce off.
You and I as leaders bounce offrock bottom.
Now they're going to be varyinglevels, just like I said, rock
bottom, rock is varying levels.
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You cannot compare your rockbottom with somebody else,
because I will tell you thistruth.
When you think you have it theabsolute worst, where you feel
like you're at the bottom of thebottom, I can guarantee you that
there's somebody in this worldwishing and praying to be at the
level that you're at.
And if you looked at the levelof rock bottom that they're at,
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you're like, no, thank you.
I am glad to be right here.
That's the danger in comparingpeople.
Now, obviously, there's otherpeople who are nowhere near rock
bottom that you're looking upand saying, I want to be like
them.
But that's not how life works.
You have your own journey.
You have your own way.
(11:57):
And you've got to go that way.
No one else can walk thatjourney for you.
And so these four ways ofreasons why people make a change
are They're varying differences.
Like some are going to seemlike, well, at rock bottom, that
doesn't make sense.
But I'm going to share with youwhy they do.
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So number one, reason numberone, people make a change.
When they see enough, they'reinspired to.
You know, sometimes when we hitrock bottom, when...
you and I see the change that wewant to make that are in other
people and we see how itbenefits them, then it inspires
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you and I to make that change.
We can be inspired to make thatchange.
We can, together, you and I, wecan make the change because of
what we see.
It's very hard in rock bottomsometimes if it's a very deep
depth of rock bottom to be ableto see the change.
(13:06):
But if it's something wherethings are just going outside of
expectation, you can be inspiredby others.
And I would encourage you, lookto others that you would like to
go to.
Now, I know that sounded likebasically I was contradicting
myself.
It's okay to be inspired byother people sometimes.
But don't compare yourself toother people.
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There's a difference.
See, I can look towards anOlympian, but I'm not going to
go in like an Olympian runner.
Usain Bolt.
I can look and be inspired byhis training regimen, by his
consistency, his discipline, hisfocus.
But I'm not going to go runaround the track and compare
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myself to his outcomes.
I can be inspired, but I don'thave to compare what I'm doing
to him.
If that makes sense, becausethat's where the difference is.
You can be inspired by people,but you have to walk your own
journey.
You're not going to always getthe same outcomes that they
will, but success does leaveclues that you can be successful
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in your own journey.
And so when you see enough, thatwill actually inspire you to
make the change.
Number two, when they learnenough, They want to.
This got me really thinking.
I had to take a time to ponderthis because this idea of when
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they've learned enough, theywant to.
And what I realize is this isthat there is really, to my
knowledge, no great one sizefits all school that I can go to
to learn everything I need tolearn about leadership.
There's really not.
I mean, there's different waysto grow as a leader.
(14:54):
You could join the United Statesmilitary if you're in the United
States.
You could go to business school.
You could take leadershipcourses.
But with leadership, it is alsovery, very unique in that you're
(15:15):
always learning.
There's not one source that youcan just...
take and use and say, I have nowlearned it all.
So as you're going and as thingsstart to unravel, or as you
start to head towards rockbottom, one of the tenants that
I've learned in life is thataction alleviates anxiety.
(15:38):
So as things are not working, itis the ability to go and learn
and act on what you learn thatcan make the change.
And so, uh, when, uh, peoplestart to learn enough, that's
when they want to, that's whenthey're like, ah, okay, you know
what?
For years, I know I've beenputting this stuff in my body
(15:58):
that has not been serving orfeeding it.
And now that I've learned thehealth problems that come with
this, now I'm going to make achange.
And so you can see, or you canlearn, and that can help you
make those changes.
Or number three, when theyreceive enough.
Now, when I heard receive, Uh,it's when they've received
(16:21):
enough, they're able to.
So I immediately went to money.
I mean, that's where my mindwent.
So when they earn enough,obviously you can then be able
to make a change more moneywhile it creates more problems.
It also creates more ability tochange your circumstances
really, really quickly.
But.
(16:41):
that's not necessarily exactlywhat Brian was getting at is he
was getting at as well as notonly money, but counsel or
coaching as you receive morethan you'll be able to, as you,
as you get, as you get that,that can consultation as, as you
get the coaching, as you get theinformation, as you get the
(17:03):
counsel.
Now you can see around thatcorner and you're able to make
that change.
And so these three are very whatI would call on the lighter end
of making changes.
It really requires action andeffort on your behalf.
You need to you need to be outthere looking or learning or
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receiving that information.
You need to you need to createthat change.
That's what those three tell me.
There's three that you cancontrol.
Now, this last one is exactlywhere I think when you truly hit
rock bottom.
And what Brianna said in herbook was this.
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When they hurt enough, they haveto.
When they hurt enough, they haveto.
And if I read that paragraphagain, it says when we begin our
healing journey.
See, the interesting thing isyou cannot heal if you are not
hurt.
If you are not hurt.
(18:06):
There's no reason for healing.
I think of all my joints or Ithink of as I age, there are
certain things that hurt thatI'm looking for healing.
But the other joints or theother things that don't hurt, I
don't need healing.
I don't need to heal somethingthat isn't broken or that
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doesn't hurt.
And so...
This one right here is when theyhurt enough, they have to.
This is like the moments that wesee inspiring in all the movies
that characters that get writtenin and around that hit great
(18:50):
difficulty.
I was just watching with myfamily, The Cinderella Man with
Russell Crowe.
And he's fighting Max Bear,right?
And he gets knocked down andknocked down to the point that
he's knocked out and he sees hislittle girl.
And it's something where, youknow, he realizes why he is
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fighting and it's for bread andmilk.
I was also watching warrior,which is with Tom Hardy and it's
a MMA fighting movie.
And it's about two brothers.
And there was a scene where oneof the brothers who's really
down on his luck.
I mean, A house is going to betaken.
His wife and him work betweeneach other.
Three jobs.
(19:31):
He just got suspended from oneof his jobs.
He has two kids.
And the bank has said, hey, I'mtaking your house.
You can see how this all buildsup.
And he's fighting somebody thathe should not even be in the
ring with.
And what I mean by that is hisskills do not match the person
that he is fighting.
That person he's fighting shouldbeat him 10 out of 10 times.
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And he's able to survive tworounds.
It's a three round fight.
And his trainer looks at him andjust says, Hey, Hey, uh, it's,
it's, it's time.
You know, I can just throw inthe towel and you can go home.
And in this scene, his wife isalso sitting in the crowd and
she's looking at him and he'slike, go get, go get your wife.
And, and I'll throw in thetowel.
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You just go get your wife.
You guys head home and go home.
And it's okay.
You don't have to do thisanymore.
You don't have to fight thisanymore.
Just, just go home.
But remember, When you leave,they're going to take the house.
I mean, that's, what's at stakeis that while you can leave this
and you can walk away from this,they're going to take your
(20:35):
safety.
They're going to take yourhouse.
And he goes, you have to knockthis guy out or you lose the
house.
And in that moment, you just seethis, a mental transition, this
connection that this pain, thisthat's inside him is burning so
hot that he has to make thechange, that he has to go into
(20:58):
that fight, that last round withso much passion that he has to
beat somebody that should beathim 10 out of 10 times.
And honestly, as leaders, thoseare those moments where when
that pain gets incredibly hard,you have to make the change.
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Now it's not, oh, it'd be niceto...
It's not that it's easy to.
It has to become the rallyingcry.
It might be where you have tomake those moves in your
organization.
You have to move staff around.
It may be that you have to cutexpenses or you have to change
programs that while people like,they're just not serving the
(21:45):
overall purpose.
When you hit rock bottom, youhave to make those changes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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It is one of the mostlife-changing things you can
ever experience.
It becomes the foundation uponwhich you build everything else.
See, the thing is, is as youbounce back from rock bottom,
which you can, by the way,especially when you have that
(22:43):
resolve of, I never want to feelthis way again.
I'm going to make the changes,not because I get to, because I
have to.
And again, In it, you can startto build the foundation that you
never experience this again.
Now, you will experience rockbottom again, but it could be a
different level.
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You can start to build thebuffers.
You could start to build aprocess or a system that would
prohibit you from ever comingback to this place again.
See, as leaders, we have toconstantly evolve.
That's why I created thispodcast.
We have to constantly evolve inlearning more because that is
(23:28):
what's required of us.
See, people are looking to us asleaders to have this figured
out.
I know I've created episodes inand around this.
This idea of I suck.
You know, what happens whenreality hits or a grieving
leader?
What happens when that happensor when something's not on
(23:51):
mission?
How do you make a change?
There's all sorts of resourcesout there to help you.
But here's one thing you have topromise me is that you're not
going to stay on rock bottom.
Don't quit right in front of meas I'm talking with you.
I have a board, a letter board,and on there it says, don't Ring
the bell.
And that is in inspiration ofthe Navy SEAL training where
(24:16):
they have a bell in the centerof all their training.
And all you have to do is ringthat bell and everything stops.
Everything becomes immediately,quote unquote, easier, which it
doesn't.
But that's the sense is that allyou got to do is ring that bell.
So here it is right now.
What I'm looking for you to dois to take out piece of paper
(24:39):
because I believe putting onpaper makes it real.
Make that declaration.
If you're at rock bottom, makethat declaration because this
could be the start, the verystart of a foundation that truly
turns your organization, yourbusiness, your team, wherever
you're leading around and trulycreates something incredibly
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special.
Well, I really appreciate youlistening to this episode.
(25:27):
Let me know what you like, whatyou're not liking.
I have so much content that I'mexcited to share with you and
bring it down the pipeline here.
And I would like to tailor it towhat you're looking for.
But until next time, remembertoday is a great day to apply
different thinking.
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