February 5, 2025 • 31 mins
Host Kelly Driscoll chats with Sharron Huang, a recent graduate from Stony Brook University, discussing her impressive academic journey and achievements.
Sharron shares insights into her transition from a Biology major to Linguistics and Speech-Language Pathology. She earned multiple degrees at Stony Brook, including a B.A., M.A., and M.S. She talks about the influence of her community and family, particularly her mother, an ENL teacher, on shaping her career path.
Sharron reflects on her impactful work as a substitute teacher, her numerous leadership roles, and her prestigious awards, such as the SUNY Success Story Award and the Gerald L. Stein Organizational Leadership Award.
This episode delves into her strategies for professional success, including creating a detailed portfolio with Digication to stand out in the competitive job market.
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TESOL stands for Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages
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Welcome to DigicationScholars Conversations.
I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll.
In this episode, you'll hear part one ofmy conversation with Sharron Huang, recent
graduate of Stony Brook University, whereshe received a B. A. in Linguistics, an
M. A. in Teaching English to Speakersof Other Languages, and an M. S.
in Speech Language Pathology.
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Welcome to DigicationScholars Conversations.
I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll, andtoday I'm so excited to introduce
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Sharron Huang, who graduated fromStony Brook University in May 2024.
Welcome, Sharron.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Yes.
So, we, uh, happened to stumble uponSharron's extraordinary work and
experiences in Digication, and I justhad to reach out to have her join me
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on Digication Scholars Conversationsbecause what she has created really
exemplifies a Digication Scholar.
Um, she has created this incrediblerepresentation of who she is, uh, the
story behind her background, uh, all ofthe work that she's done at Stony Brook
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University, and as a recent graduate,also has things to share about life beyond
Stony Brook too, that I'm sure she'llhave a chance to share with us today.
Um, so Sharron, I really just wantedto kind of kick off our conversation
today with you talking a little bitabout, you know, how this interest
in studying linguistics and speechpathology came about for you, um, because
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I know in looking at your background,you have a few different degrees.
And we'd love to hear a little bit aboutyour, your journey and what has led you
to become a speech language pathologist.
Yeah, absolutely.
So thank you so much for having me.
Just a little bit of background onme, like, I, I know, like, I'm from
Brooklyn, New York, born and raised, soI've always been surrounded by such a
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rich community of culture and languagethat comes hand in hand with it.
Um, growing up, like, I know, like, Icome from parents of immigrants and,
like, I've a different mother tonguethan a lot of the other students in my
community and being able to really be ableto share that and see that within my own
students too, that's been super empoweringfor me to be on the flip side of it
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and being able to teach these students.
So I, I started off, I actually,when I first entered college at Stony
Brook University, I was a bio major.
I was so headset on being pre med.
Yeah.
Like a lot of many otherstudents at Stony Brook.
Um, I was a Biology major and I remembertaking, um, the prerequisite like freshman
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courses and I wasn't doing too hard.
And like, I, I remember reallystruggling, but also like struggling
adapting to college as a whole,being away from my family.
Um, but I remember like reallyenjoying linguistics and making my, my
switch to that full time as my major.
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I continued with that and I know likefor me, I'm a very like type A person,
like I wanted to make sure that I wouldstill be able to graduate within four
years, even though I had changed my major.
So that just, even though like afterI changed, I changed my major, I I
put it into like full drive, liketrying to catch up on these classes
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and like still trying to make surethat I graduated in four years.
And I guess it worked well becauseI actually ended up graduating
early and getting accepted intoan accelerated master's program
for five years, which I ended upcompleting in four and a half years.
And that was the master's for teachingEnglish to speakers of other languages,
which was a really nice segue actuallyfrom my, my bachelor's in linguistics.
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Thanks.
Nice.
Well, congratulations.
I'm sure the accelerated programinvolved a lot of long hours and,
and hard work and to get that doneand an even shorter period of time.
Um, so my, my hat is off to you.
Thank you a lot of Tetris playing withthe different classes and schedule.
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Like I remember even as a freshman,I had like a five year plan.
Like, what do I have to take?
Not only like this semester, like thisspring semester, but like, how can I
plan it out so that I can know whatI'm going to be taking as a senior, as
like, Even though I'm like a sophomore,yeah, like I know what I'm going to be
taking senior year, like down to a T inorder for all the puzzle pieces to fit
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in, in order for me to, to take all therequired classes and the prerequisites
for each of those classes to stack up.
So I remember like being definitelylike having a lot of stress that
came with it, but now like thefruits of the labor paying off.
So I'm very thankful for that.
Good.
Glad to hear that.
So, first you, you set off to getyour, uh, B. A. in linguistics, and
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then did you already know when youstarted that, that you wanted to, at
some point, go into teaching as well?
Yeah, so that was definitely in theback of my mind, especially during,
uh, my pivot over into linguisticsfrom being a biology major.
Uh, so my, my mom, she'sa huge role model of mine.
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Like, she is like the person I look upto and she's actually an ENL teacher.
So she is a teacher.
Like I come on, I'm come froma huge family of teachers.
I think there are like four or five of us.
And then, yeah, yeah.
When you open it up to like familyfriends, it's like all my mom's friends
and everyone I've grown up with.
So being able to grow up in thatschool community has really shown me
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nothing but like the positive sides ofeducation and how powerful it can be
and how it really builds a community.
So having that, yeah, was reallydefinitely an example and model and how,
how I guess it sparked the flame early on.
But yeah, she, she's an ENLteacher, so she We share the
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same master's degree title.
Like I have my ENL, likeTESOL degree for my master's.
Um, and she does as well.
So it was definitely like nice, likehaving someone to go to immediately,
like to ask for help and like, I, I cansee like how much she loves her job.
Like she.
She genuinely has suchpassion for what she does.
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Like this has been herday one for everything.
So it's been nice to like kind offollow my mom's shoes a little bit.
And I'm actually like where sheworks is very close to home.
So I, I went to that school asan elementary school student.
So being able to like visit all the timeand then now where I work, actually,
I work only 15 minutes a walk away.
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So like, it's, it's actuallybeen very funny because we.
Uh, up until recently, we actually shareda set of, uh, siblings, so she had one
brother and I had another brother in myschool, so it's just like, wow, like,
we're that close and like, we share the,the school community that we are actually
like sharing a pair of siblings right now.
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Oh my gosh, I can just imagine as amom, she must just be glowing with so
much pride at what you're doing andto have that connection professionally
now too, that's so wonderful.
I love that.
It's endless, sharedconversations to talk about too.
So, if you ever thought aboutlike, Alright, like, when is the,
how's like the salary schedule?
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How do I enroll in my retirement benefits?
How do I, like, All those little things!
Like, oh, like, have you, have youseen the changes to curriculum?
Like, little things like that.
It's definitely, like, very nice tohave that person so close to home
and be able to talk to her about it.
Yeah, I bet.
And can you share a little bit aboutmaybe what some of those first days when
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you started teaching were like and maybereflect a little bit on that experience?
And I don't know if you remember anyquestions or thoughts that came up that
you needed to immediately kind of go toyour mom to because of her experience.
Um, cause you mentioned that youwere doing some, uh, Teaching in that
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little gap between one degree and thenext so I'd love to hear a little bit
about that Oh, I'm happy to share.
That's so funny because I'm glad Imentioned that my mom like where she
works So after I'd graduated earlyfrom like the five year program
I it was mid year since I did inthree and a half of four and a half.
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So I couldn't start amaster's program mid year.
And so I was like, all right, like,how, how do I want to play this?
Do I want to stay on campus?
And just like.
Continue living on campus and notattend classes or do I move back home?
So what I ended up doing is I movedback home and I took a maternity leave
substitute position at my mom's school.
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So one of her, one of her, yeah,not even right down the hall.
We shared a classroom.
She served, she was the ENLteacher for my class there.
So a family friend, this is how closeknit her school community is, where
like everyone has seen me grow up.
Like the fact that like the, hercoworkers have all seen me like while
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I was an elementary school studentthere, like on their own student.
And now to see like me as ateacher and like be full circle.
But yeah, like I, I wasa substitute teacher.
Oh, maternity substitutesubstitute teacher.
So I was there for sixyear, uh, six months.
I was there for six months and.
I was able to take overa second grade class.
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Um, they were absolutely amazing.
They were genuinely such agreat class to start off with.
And like, not to say that there weren'tany hiccups or anything, but I think
that was such a great learning classbecause the classroom teacher had
already set up so many great expectationsand model behavior where I was.
Basically handed like a golden platewhere everything was set for me.
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Um, but yeah, from there, like my,it was my mom who was really pushing
it and serving these kids causeshe was the ENL provider there.
Um, and so there were, there would bea period a day or a couple of periods
a week where, We would be co-teachingtogether in the same classroom.
Like, that's just socrazy to think about it.
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But I remember like, how, how doI lesson plan for all these kids?
Cause I, I had my, my ENL degree whereI was used to serving smaller groups for
my, my student teaching or my externshipplacements, where it would be just
strictly ENL, like I'm differentiatingmaterial and instruction for preexisting
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curriculum or preexisting lesson.
That's been constructedby the classroom teacher.
But here I was kind of flip flopsand I was a classroom teacher and I
hadn't had, um, as much experience.
Where I was like creatingmy own lesson plans.
I was making slides.
I was learning acompletely new curriculum.
And I remember really asking her like,well, how, like, how do I navigate
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all these different curriculums?
There's a different curriculum for math.
There's a differentcurriculum for reading.
There's a different curriculumfor science and social studies.
Like, how do I stay on top of everything?
Um, while also like having a balance,because like at the end of the day,
like I, I was a substitute teacher,you know, like I was, you know,
How do I find the time to do this?
While also at that timeapplying for graduate school.
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Um, so that was definitelylike, all right, like let's,
you bring your work laptop home,I'll bring my work laptop home.
Like, I'll show you how to navigatearound like different websites, which I
thought was pretty funny because usuallyI'm the one who's going for how to use
technology and all of a sudden she'sschooling me and like, all right, like
choose this tab, go here to this link.
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She's like flying through.
I'm like, slow down.
So it was definitely interestingto be on the other side.
Oh, I love that.
Oh, so you mentioned you grew up not toofar away from Stony Brook University, but
how did you make your decision that thatthat was going to be the school to attend?
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And it must have been a good choice foryou to stay for all of those degrees.
I couldn't get enough of it, honestly.
I really, I truly do love Stony Brook.
I, and you'll, you'll hearthis time and time again.
Like I, I genuinely didenjoy my time there.
I love Stony Brook.
Um, I'm incredibly appreciative for allthese opportunities that they've given me.
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Not only in terms of likeacademic, but also like community.
Like, um, different likeleadership positions that I've had.
Like they've truly given me so much.
And I, I do genuinely think that collegeis absolutely what you make of, out of it.
And that's a life lesson forhow much, like, life, like, you,
life is what you make out of it.
You know, the opportunities you take,the risks you take, the people you meet,
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and the connections you make, right?
So for me, like, I grew up in Brooklyn,um, I'm extremely close to my family, I've
got quite a large family, and then anotherouter circle of family friends, uh, so
I knew I didn't want to stray too far,but I did want to go away for college.
So Stony Brook, Brooklyn.
on Long Island definitely gave me a goodmix of both where I was far enough to
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have to and be able to dorm, um, but alsojust a two hour lure ride away, like a
Long Island railroad ride away becauseat the time I wasn't driving either.
So, um, Being able to commute backhome for long weekends and all the
breaks was very convenient while alsohaving a good amount of like some of
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my friends, like my friends from home,also choosing that school because of the
same reasons of being super commutable.
And then I have family out on LongIsland as well so that was a good.
Oh nice.
Reassuring thing about like oh likeif something did happen and it was
like too late to catch the lasttrain like that they'd only be an
hour train of an hour car ride away.
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Yeah.
And it's such a beautiful area too.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then at that time Iwas, I was a Bio major.
So it was, I mean, they've got theirown hospital there and they're very well
known for their incredible healthcaresystem and their major and how well
like they do with innovation tech.
So yeah, definitely.
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But big, big Seawolf,big Sony Brook fan here.
And you won some awards whileyou were a student there?
Yes.
Quite a few actually.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Would you, would you mind sharingwhat some of those awards were
and, and what they entailed?
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Yeah, I'm happy to.
So while I was there, um.
I want to, I think one of the biggestones for me, like I was most wowed about,
um, is the SUNY Success Story Award.
That was definitely areally big one for me.
This was a nomination fromStony Brook to the SUNY system.
Um, and I guess like that was just likean umbrella of like all the different
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leadership roles that I've undertaken,which I'm incredibly grateful for.
And that was back in 2022.
As a part of that as well, they alsoinvited me in for their marketing
campaign, um, to promote SUNYsand the SUNY system and I'm a huge
proponer of the SUNY system because Ithink it really allows like students
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to get affordable, Um, access tohigher education, like anything.
And I think that that's soincredibly important because
college can be expensive.
College isn't necessarily anoption for everyone financially.
And so, especially comingfrom New York City, like.
It's not a guarantee for everyoneto go to college, unfortunately.
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So, um, it just makes it more accessible.
And I, I really do appreciate everythingthat SUNY and Stony Brook has given me.
Um, so that was definitely avery, um, important one for me.
I, I know for that marketing campaign,especially too, like, uh, I've
heard, I haven't seen it myself,but I've heard that I was on, um,
a couple of the MTA train ads.
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Um, on like the platform, in the trains,like, I wish I caught it, like, I
take the train almost every day now.
Are you telling me Icould be on the F train?
Yeah, like, crazy to think that likemy face is on, you know, some, some
marketing material in New York City.
And like, I feel like that was, like,SUNY is so such a big, widespread
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thing to, for it to be like, popular.
So close to home reallyis impactful for me.
And then in addition to that, um,so just to give a little background
on a lot of these awards, someleadership positions that I've, I've
had the pleasure of taking and thehonor to really be able to, to share.
Um, I was a chapter president forour undergraduate NSSLHA, which
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is our National Student Speechand Language Hearing Association.
That's kind of like our pre speech trackthat I was in since sophomore year.
Like I was very involved immediately,like knew I wanted to not only change
my major, but like go all in on this,like this is what I wanted to do.
And then I was a Resident Assistant (RA),so not only did I dorm, I enjoyed dorming
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so, so much and like I wanted it to be.
encouraged and like, I really wantedto, to have everyone welcomed on
campus so that they enjoy theircollege experience away from home.
Especially I know like, so, Stony Brookhas so many students from this city
who have never really been far awayfrom home or like, Long Island and the
suburbs are so different from, fromthe urban area that like, I wanted
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them to feel welcomed and like havethe most of their college experience.
So I was an RA there.
I would say that was definitely themost, I'm trying to find a word for
like the Just the most impactful for me.
Like I know like the campus residentscommunity and like the department there,
like not only like gave, there's asaying that like, not only did they give
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give me housing, they gave me a home.
Mm. They the people that I've met,the opportunities, it's further open.
Yeah.
Like being able to havea home away from home is.
Yeah, something you can't put words to.
So I, and I was in that position for, forsix years, six out of the seven years,
longer than most people are in college.
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Oh, wow.
Yes, so it really does speak to.
So I've been to different, differentareas that I was an RA and bounced around.
Um, love my staff every year, and thenin my graduate year, um, I was one of
the senators for the graduate studentorganization, so I know the undergraduates
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get a lot of funding, get a lot of hype.
Of course, like all these freshmen arecoming in very excited to go to college,
um, and I, I'm, I fear that a lot ofthe graduate students are forgotten
about, especially like our internationalgraduate students who are coming in to
this country for the very first time.
But there might not be as many likeopen doors and like welcome invitations
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to events as many as like the firstyear students have because a lot
of the graduate students who aren'tinternational have been here and know
the drill and how I know how it works.
So it's it was really great being ableto be on a senator and advocate for.
Not only the graduate students,but also the ADA working group
there and their disability group.
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Yeah, yeah, so I just wanted togive a little background on that.
So I, I, from I, what I believe,um, all those different leadership
positions then gave me, um, theGerald L. Stein Organizational
Leadership for Student Life Award.
Uh, that one, that one did like feel,that one was back in 2022 to 2023.
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So at the end of 2023, I got that awardand I remember being Like, it felt
like such a, an appreciation and anacknowledgement for all the work that
I've done with the community and like,be able to be like an upperclassman and
be coming towards the end of my academicjourney there and like, it was such
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a nice, like, goodbye to the school.
And then I was also able to getthe Henry and Marcia Laffer Student
Scholarship Award for my graduate program.
Um, that was fantastic.
As, like, as I said before, like,I, I really believe in affordable
access to higher education.
So, the student scholarshipreally, really helped me.
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Helps along way.
Absolutely.
And then through a lot of thesetrainings and RA training and
student involvement, we want to makesure that our students are, like,
have accessible resources to them.
And that includes, like, Red WatchBand training, Green Dot training.
Um, uh, so through all these trainings,I was also able to get the Upstander
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Award for Prevention and Outreach,making sure that these students are
not only equipped for themselves, butalso equipped to help others, too.
Mm hmm.
Absolutely.
You know, a lot to summarize.
I spent a long time at Stony Brookto put it all together, it's just
like, oh my goodness, let me speedrun it and give you the TLDR.
Well, and I think that's one of thethings that really, you know, drew us
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to want to have this opportunity toreally showcase you because you did
such an extraordinary job of presenting,you know, the kind of the breadth and
depth of your experience as a student.
And, you know, you were therefor a number of years and had so
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many incredible opportunities to,you know, develop as a person and
grow and, um, you know, shape yourtrajectory and incredible achievements.
Thank you.
Really at each step of the way.
And you've done a beautiful job of Sharingthat so that when people come and look
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at the, you know, kind of compilation ofwork and experiences that you've shared
in Digication, even though you do have,you know, many layers to what you've
done and different experiences, you'vemade it really easy and inviting for
viewers to come in and get to know you.
And, you know, each of these differentkinds of experiences that you've had,
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you know, on the pages that you'vecreated, you have these wonderful
written reflections that pair with thoseexperiences or examples of work that
you've done or clinical experiences.
So People really get the opportunityto learn more deeply how, you know,
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how each of those experiences impactedyou and different ways that it kind
of, you know, Let you grow and kind ofbecome the person that you are today.
And it's just such a beautifulexample that we're excited to share.
We'll include a link to it in the,um, show notes for our podcast so that
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people can go and visit it and getinspired and creating, um, their own.
And, um, It was one of the ways thatI, you know, had the opportunity
to learn about some of thesemany awards that you receive.
And, um, you know, sometimes whenwe're working with students, sometimes
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they may struggle with, um, kind ofseeing the value of the different
experiences that they're having.
Some students, uh, especially maybeas undergraduates or, um, new to
the whole college experience may notrecognize so easily, uh, the value that
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each of their experience is having.
Sometimes they kind of see, youknow, each kind of, um, you know,
course that they're taking in collegeis kind of, you know, checking
off and getting to the next thing.
And you know, the real life isgoing to happen after graduation
and not taking note that there'sall of this incredible growth and
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learning that's happening each day.
And having this space where they cankind of showcase that and reflect
on those things can be so valuable.
And I was curious, you know, when youwere at Stony Brook, at what stage did
you start kind of creating this, um,Kind of curated experience and kind
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of personal branding describing whoyou are and all of these skills and
were there certain professors that youencouraged you to do that or was it
something that you picked up on your own?
I would love to hear about it.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm so glad that you mentioned thelike first year students because I
actually remember back in my firstyear I I was also assigned assigned
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as like an assignment to do aDigication and I promise you it does
not look as good as this No weirdYes, like I I'm sure It's somewhere.
It definitely still existssomewhere, but it definitely does
not look nearly as good as this.
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It was definitely like a, you checka box, you throw a picture in the
background, make it look like semi nice.
But I definitely did not know how manyoptions there could possibly be with this.
However, I, I started this,um, I believe in 2023.
2023. Um, at the very beginning of 2023.
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Uh, so I, I had been working on thisfor over a year and a half, maybe,
yeah, like over a year and a half.
And this was an assignment,um, from my Clinical Professor.
Uh, she actually had us, this is like our,she had us create this because it was.
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Our portfolio to send out to peoplewho are hiring, who are hiring or
interviewing us for post graduation.
Okay.
So.
What course was this?
Um, there were a couple differentcourses that she listed.
So it's the clinicalone, two, three, four.
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I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember,I can actually pull it up, HHS 582.
So there are a handful of Clinicals thatwe have to go through, um, there are four
Clinicals, and I believe it's like HHS581, 582, 583, 584, and these are all
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attached to the Speech Language PathologyProgram at Stony Brook, um, and, um,
These are in person classes, but they'realso a mix of what we do at externship.
How can we apply these skills and talkabout our externships and how they'll
compare to what our clinical fellowshipis going to look like post graduation.
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How after clinical fellowshipexperience, how that's going to carry
over and look like in our, like ourCCCs, like our actual position and job
as full time, um, service providers.
So that was really nice to be able to giveme like, okay, like, this is not only for
an assignment, but like, this is what'sgoing to help me get a job in the future.
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You know, like I, this is how I'm goingto sell and market and like present myself
to a future employer to, to give them alittle, bit about me that's beyond just
like three bullet points on a resume.
Right, right.
Like how can I make myself stand outfrom a thousand other applicants?
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And I, for me, like I knew thatI was coming back to the New York
City Department of Education.
Like that's always where Iknew I wanted to go, especially
because I'm from Brooklyn.
I have that school experience.
I love working with kids.
Um.
And I know that like, thisis where my mom worked.
Like I knew that it was a great unionto be in a great, a salary schedule to
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follow, great school schedule to follow.
And then from my previous subbingexperience too, like I, I knew I
wanted to end up in the DOE, however,the do e is extremely competitive
to get into because everyone elsealso wants to get into the DOE.
So I knew that I, if I wanted to getthe position, I had to stand out and.
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I thought to myself, like, well, Ihad already been to the career fair,
like, I have a pretty strong resume.
What else can I do to help me notonly do well in the interview, but how
do I even land myself an interview?
How do I get my resumeto their eyes, you know?
So I remember, um, cold,cold emailing, admittedly.
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Um, that's some advice I'd gotten fromother um, Speech Therapists that had
already gotten into the DOE like that,they got in through cold emailing and like
had going into the database and like thisexcel sheet of like two hundred something
Speech Re... ... And Speech Revisors andyou write in a paragraph about yourself,
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who you are, and attach your resume.
But a lot of people, like,might still have, like, paper
dedu... paper portfolios.
Some might not haveshared their portfolios.
Some might not have felt confidentabout their portfolio enough to share.
Um, but I remember very proudlyattaching my link, um, to that,
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that mini paragraph about myself.
And I like to think that, like, thisis something that they would look at.
I know that a lot of times, like,they'll briefly skim through Um, your
resume, but if they have another linkand have something else that's eye
catching to look at, um, why not?
Or have something memorableif they just click that link.
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So I wanted it to be, um, astrong representation of myself.
Like, it's not only very organized, butI've got a lot of leadership experience.
I want to show it off, you know.
I have a lot of extracurricular essay.
I want to show that I'm not only greatat my externships and my academics,
but I'm a well rounded person.
Well rounded candidate for the positionthat I've had a lot of experience to.
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Here's a preview of what's coming upnext in part two of my conversation
with Sharron Huang, recentgraduate of Stony Brook University.
Our success is their success and that Ithink is also why I chose to come back
to Stony Brook because I personally hadDr. Fabus who's the head of the program.
I had taken her classes as apre speech track student in
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the summers and in the winters.
So being able to like have thatpersonal experience with her and I
know how much she's invested into theprogram and invested in our success.
I, I knew she would be happy towrite a letter of recommendation,
especially with how, how involvedI was with the program and how she
really would love us to see us succeed.
Welcome to DigicationScholars Conversations.
I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll.
In this episode, you'll hear part one ofmy conversation with Sharron Huang, recent
graduate of Stony Brook University, whereshe received a B. A. in Linguistics, an
M. A. in Teaching English to Speakersof Other Languages, and an M. S.
in Speech Language Pathology.
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Welcome to DigicationScholars Conversations.
I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll, andtoday I'm so excited to introduce
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Sharron Huang, who graduated fromStony Brook University in May 2024.
Welcome, Sharron.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Yes.
So, we, uh, happened to stumble uponSharron's extraordinary work and
experiences in Digication, and I justhad to reach out to have her join me
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on Digication Scholars Conversationsbecause what she has created really
exemplifies a Digication Scholar.
Um, she has created this incrediblerepresentation of who she is, uh, the
story behind her background, uh, all ofthe work that she's done at Stony Brook
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University, and as a recent graduate,also has things to share about life beyond
Stony Brook too, that I'm sure she'llhave a chance to share with us today.
Um, so Sharron, I really just wantedto kind of kick off our conversation
today with you talking a little bitabout, you know, how this interest
in studying linguistics and speechpathology came about for you, um, because
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I know in looking at your background,you have a few different degrees.
And we'd love to hear a little bit aboutyour, your journey and what has led you
to become a speech language pathologist.
Yeah, absolutely.
So thank you so much for having me.
Just a little bit of background onme, like, I, I know, like, I'm from
Brooklyn, New York, born and raised, soI've always been surrounded by such a
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rich community of culture and languagethat comes hand in hand with it.
Um, growing up, like, I know, like, Icome from parents of immigrants and,
like, I've a different mother tonguethan a lot of the other students in my
community and being able to really be ableto share that and see that within my own
students too, that's been super empoweringfor me to be on the flip side of it
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and being able to teach these students.
So I, I started off, I actually,when I first entered college at Stony
Brook University, I was a bio major.
I was so headset on being pre med.
Yeah.
Like a lot of many otherstudents at Stony Brook.
Um, I was a Biology major and I remembertaking, um, the prerequisite like freshman
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courses and I wasn't doing too hard.
And like, I, I remember reallystruggling, but also like struggling
adapting to college as a whole,being away from my family.
Um, but I remember like reallyenjoying linguistics and making my, my
switch to that full time as my major.
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I continued with that and I know likefor me, I'm a very like type A person,
like I wanted to make sure that I wouldstill be able to graduate within four
years, even though I had changed my major.
So that just, even though like afterI changed, I changed my major, I I
put it into like full drive, liketrying to catch up on these classes
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and like still trying to make surethat I graduated in four years.
And I guess it worked well becauseI actually ended up graduating
early and getting accepted intoan accelerated master's program
for five years, which I ended upcompleting in four and a half years.
And that was the master's for teachingEnglish to speakers of other languages,
which was a really nice segue actuallyfrom my, my bachelor's in linguistics.
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Thanks.
Nice.
Well, congratulations.
I'm sure the accelerated programinvolved a lot of long hours and,
and hard work and to get that doneand an even shorter period of time.
Um, so my, my hat is off to you.
Thank you a lot of Tetris playing withthe different classes and schedule.
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Like I remember even as a freshman,I had like a five year plan.
Like, what do I have to take?
Not only like this semester, like thisspring semester, but like, how can I
plan it out so that I can know whatI'm going to be taking as a senior, as
like, Even though I'm like a sophomore,yeah, like I know what I'm going to be
taking senior year, like down to a T inorder for all the puzzle pieces to fit
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in, in order for me to, to take all therequired classes and the prerequisites
for each of those classes to stack up.
So I remember like being definitelylike having a lot of stress that
came with it, but now like thefruits of the labor paying off.
So I'm very thankful for that.
Good.
Glad to hear that.
So, first you, you set off to getyour, uh, B. A. in linguistics, and
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then did you already know when youstarted that, that you wanted to, at
some point, go into teaching as well?
Yeah, so that was definitely in theback of my mind, especially during,
uh, my pivot over into linguisticsfrom being a biology major.
Uh, so my, my mom, she'sa huge role model of mine.
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Like, she is like the person I look upto and she's actually an ENL teacher.
So she is a teacher.
Like I come on, I'm come froma huge family of teachers.
I think there are like four or five of us.
And then, yeah, yeah.
When you open it up to like familyfriends, it's like all my mom's friends
and everyone I've grown up with.
So being able to grow up in thatschool community has really shown me
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nothing but like the positive sides ofeducation and how powerful it can be
and how it really builds a community.
So having that, yeah, was reallydefinitely an example and model and how,
how I guess it sparked the flame early on.
But yeah, she, she's an ENLteacher, so she We share the
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same master's degree title.
Like I have my ENL, likeTESOL degree for my master's.
Um, and she does as well.
So it was definitely like nice, likehaving someone to go to immediately,
like to ask for help and like, I, I cansee like how much she loves her job.
Like she.
She genuinely has suchpassion for what she does.
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Like this has been herday one for everything.
So it's been nice to like kind offollow my mom's shoes a little bit.
And I'm actually like where sheworks is very close to home.
So I, I went to that school asan elementary school student.
So being able to like visit all the timeand then now where I work, actually,
I work only 15 minutes a walk away.
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So like, it's, it's actuallybeen very funny because we.
Uh, up until recently, we actually shareda set of, uh, siblings, so she had one
brother and I had another brother in myschool, so it's just like, wow, like,
we're that close and like, we share the,the school community that we are actually
like sharing a pair of siblings right now.
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Oh my gosh, I can just imagine as amom, she must just be glowing with so
much pride at what you're doing andto have that connection professionally
now too, that's so wonderful.
I love that.
It's endless, sharedconversations to talk about too.
So, if you ever thought aboutlike, Alright, like, when is the,
how's like the salary schedule?
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How do I enroll in my retirement benefits?
How do I, like, All those little things!
Like, oh, like, have you, have youseen the changes to curriculum?
Like, little things like that.
It's definitely, like, very nice tohave that person so close to home
and be able to talk to her about it.
Yeah, I bet.
And can you share a little bit aboutmaybe what some of those first days when
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you started teaching were like and maybereflect a little bit on that experience?
And I don't know if you remember anyquestions or thoughts that came up that
you needed to immediately kind of go toyour mom to because of her experience.
Um, cause you mentioned that youwere doing some, uh, Teaching in that
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little gap between one degree and thenext so I'd love to hear a little bit
about that Oh, I'm happy to share.
That's so funny because I'm glad Imentioned that my mom like where she
works So after I'd graduated earlyfrom like the five year program
I it was mid year since I did inthree and a half of four and a half.
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So I couldn't start amaster's program mid year.
And so I was like, all right, like,how, how do I want to play this?
Do I want to stay on campus?
And just like.
Continue living on campus and notattend classes or do I move back home?
So what I ended up doing is I movedback home and I took a maternity leave
substitute position at my mom's school.
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So one of her, one of her, yeah,not even right down the hall.
We shared a classroom.
She served, she was the ENLteacher for my class there.
So a family friend, this is how closeknit her school community is, where
like everyone has seen me grow up.
Like the fact that like the, hercoworkers have all seen me like while
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I was an elementary school studentthere, like on their own student.
And now to see like me as ateacher and like be full circle.
But yeah, like I, I wasa substitute teacher.
Oh, maternity substitutesubstitute teacher.
So I was there for sixyear, uh, six months.
I was there for six months and.
I was able to take overa second grade class.
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Um, they were absolutely amazing.
They were genuinely such agreat class to start off with.
And like, not to say that there weren'tany hiccups or anything, but I think
that was such a great learning classbecause the classroom teacher had
already set up so many great expectationsand model behavior where I was.
Basically handed like a golden platewhere everything was set for me.
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Um, but yeah, from there, like my,it was my mom who was really pushing
it and serving these kids causeshe was the ENL provider there.
Um, and so there were, there would bea period a day or a couple of periods
a week where, We would be co-teachingtogether in the same classroom.
Like, that's just socrazy to think about it.
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But I remember like, how, how doI lesson plan for all these kids?
Cause I, I had my, my ENL degree whereI was used to serving smaller groups for
my, my student teaching or my externshipplacements, where it would be just
strictly ENL, like I'm differentiatingmaterial and instruction for preexisting
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curriculum or preexisting lesson.
That's been constructedby the classroom teacher.
But here I was kind of flip flopsand I was a classroom teacher and I
hadn't had, um, as much experience.
Where I was like creatingmy own lesson plans.
I was making slides.
I was learning acompletely new curriculum.
And I remember really asking her like,well, how, like, how do I navigate
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all these different curriculums?
There's a different curriculum for math.
There's a differentcurriculum for reading.
There's a different curriculumfor science and social studies.
Like, how do I stay on top of everything?
Um, while also like having a balance,because like at the end of the day,
like I, I was a substitute teacher,you know, like I was, you know,
How do I find the time to do this?
While also at that timeapplying for graduate school.
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Um, so that was definitelylike, all right, like let's,
you bring your work laptop home,I'll bring my work laptop home.
Like, I'll show you how to navigatearound like different websites, which I
thought was pretty funny because usuallyI'm the one who's going for how to use
technology and all of a sudden she'sschooling me and like, all right, like
choose this tab, go here to this link.
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She's like flying through.
I'm like, slow down.
So it was definitely interestingto be on the other side.
Oh, I love that.
Oh, so you mentioned you grew up not toofar away from Stony Brook University, but
how did you make your decision that thatthat was going to be the school to attend?
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And it must have been a good choice foryou to stay for all of those degrees.
I couldn't get enough of it, honestly.
I really, I truly do love Stony Brook.
I, and you'll, you'll hearthis time and time again.
Like I, I genuinely didenjoy my time there.
I love Stony Brook.
Um, I'm incredibly appreciative for allthese opportunities that they've given me.
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Not only in terms of likeacademic, but also like community.
Like, um, different likeleadership positions that I've had.
Like they've truly given me so much.
And I, I do genuinely think that collegeis absolutely what you make of, out of it.
And that's a life lesson forhow much, like, life, like, you,
life is what you make out of it.
You know, the opportunities you take,the risks you take, the people you meet,
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and the connections you make, right?
So for me, like, I grew up in Brooklyn,um, I'm extremely close to my family, I've
got quite a large family, and then anotherouter circle of family friends, uh, so
I knew I didn't want to stray too far,but I did want to go away for college.
So Stony Brook, Brooklyn.
on Long Island definitely gave me a goodmix of both where I was far enough to
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have to and be able to dorm, um, but alsojust a two hour lure ride away, like a
Long Island railroad ride away becauseat the time I wasn't driving either.
So, um, Being able to commute backhome for long weekends and all the
breaks was very convenient while alsohaving a good amount of like some of
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my friends, like my friends from home,also choosing that school because of the
same reasons of being super commutable.
And then I have family out on LongIsland as well so that was a good.
Oh nice.
Reassuring thing about like oh likeif something did happen and it was
like too late to catch the lasttrain like that they'd only be an
hour train of an hour car ride away.
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Yeah.
And it's such a beautiful area too.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then at that time Iwas, I was a Bio major.
So it was, I mean, they've got theirown hospital there and they're very well
known for their incredible healthcaresystem and their major and how well
like they do with innovation tech.
So yeah, definitely.
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But big, big Seawolf,big Sony Brook fan here.
And you won some awards whileyou were a student there?
Yes.
Quite a few actually.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Would you, would you mind sharingwhat some of those awards were
and, and what they entailed?
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Yeah, I'm happy to.
So while I was there, um.
I want to, I think one of the biggestones for me, like I was most wowed about,
um, is the SUNY Success Story Award.
That was definitely areally big one for me.
This was a nomination fromStony Brook to the SUNY system.
Um, and I guess like that was just likean umbrella of like all the different
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leadership roles that I've undertaken,which I'm incredibly grateful for.
And that was back in 2022.
As a part of that as well, they alsoinvited me in for their marketing
campaign, um, to promote SUNYsand the SUNY system and I'm a huge
proponer of the SUNY system because Ithink it really allows like students
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to get affordable, Um, access tohigher education, like anything.
And I think that that's soincredibly important because
college can be expensive.
College isn't necessarily anoption for everyone financially.
And so, especially comingfrom New York City, like.
It's not a guarantee for everyoneto go to college, unfortunately.
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So, um, it just makes it more accessible.
And I, I really do appreciate everythingthat SUNY and Stony Brook has given me.
Um, so that was definitely avery, um, important one for me.
I, I know for that marketing campaign,especially too, like, uh, I've
heard, I haven't seen it myself,but I've heard that I was on, um,
a couple of the MTA train ads.
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Um, on like the platform, in the trains,like, I wish I caught it, like, I
take the train almost every day now.
Are you telling me Icould be on the F train?
Yeah, like, crazy to think that likemy face is on, you know, some, some
marketing material in New York City.
And like, I feel like that was, like,SUNY is so such a big, widespread
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thing to, for it to be like, popular.
So close to home reallyis impactful for me.
And then in addition to that, um,so just to give a little background
on a lot of these awards, someleadership positions that I've, I've
had the pleasure of taking and thehonor to really be able to, to share.
Um, I was a chapter president forour undergraduate NSSLHA, which
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is our National Student Speechand Language Hearing Association.
That's kind of like our pre speech trackthat I was in since sophomore year.
Like I was very involved immediately,like knew I wanted to not only change
my major, but like go all in on this,like this is what I wanted to do.
And then I was a Resident Assistant (RA),so not only did I dorm, I enjoyed dorming
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so, so much and like I wanted it to be.
encouraged and like, I really wantedto, to have everyone welcomed on
campus so that they enjoy theircollege experience away from home.
Especially I know like, so, Stony Brookhas so many students from this city
who have never really been far awayfrom home or like, Long Island and the
suburbs are so different from, fromthe urban area that like, I wanted
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them to feel welcomed and like havethe most of their college experience.
So I was an RA there.
I would say that was definitely themost, I'm trying to find a word for
like the Just the most impactful for me.
Like I know like the campus residentscommunity and like the department there,
like not only like gave, there's asaying that like, not only did they give
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give me housing, they gave me a home.
Mm. They the people that I've met,the opportunities, it's further open.
Yeah.
Like being able to havea home away from home is.
Yeah, something you can't put words to.
So I, and I was in that position for, forsix years, six out of the seven years,
longer than most people are in college.
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Oh, wow.
Yes, so it really does speak to.
So I've been to different, differentareas that I was an RA and bounced around.
Um, love my staff every year, and thenin my graduate year, um, I was one of
the senators for the graduate studentorganization, so I know the undergraduates
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get a lot of funding, get a lot of hype.
Of course, like all these freshmen arecoming in very excited to go to college,
um, and I, I'm, I fear that a lot ofthe graduate students are forgotten
about, especially like our internationalgraduate students who are coming in to
this country for the very first time.
But there might not be as many likeopen doors and like welcome invitations
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to events as many as like the firstyear students have because a lot
of the graduate students who aren'tinternational have been here and know
the drill and how I know how it works.
So it's it was really great being ableto be on a senator and advocate for.
Not only the graduate students,but also the ADA working group
there and their disability group.
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Yeah, yeah, so I just wanted togive a little background on that.
So I, I, from I, what I believe,um, all those different leadership
positions then gave me, um, theGerald L. Stein Organizational
Leadership for Student Life Award.
Uh, that one, that one did like feel,that one was back in 2022 to 2023.
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So at the end of 2023, I got that awardand I remember being Like, it felt
like such a, an appreciation and anacknowledgement for all the work that
I've done with the community and like,be able to be like an upperclassman and
be coming towards the end of my academicjourney there and like, it was such
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a nice, like, goodbye to the school.
And then I was also able to getthe Henry and Marcia Laffer Student
Scholarship Award for my graduate program.
Um, that was fantastic.
As, like, as I said before, like,I, I really believe in affordable
access to higher education.
So, the student scholarshipreally, really helped me.
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Helps along way.
Absolutely.
And then through a lot of thesetrainings and RA training and
student involvement, we want to makesure that our students are, like,
have accessible resources to them.
And that includes, like, Red WatchBand training, Green Dot training.
Um, uh, so through all these trainings,I was also able to get the Upstander
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Award for Prevention and Outreach,making sure that these students are
not only equipped for themselves, butalso equipped to help others, too.
Mm hmm.
Absolutely.
You know, a lot to summarize.
I spent a long time at Stony Brookto put it all together, it's just
like, oh my goodness, let me speedrun it and give you the TLDR.
Well, and I think that's one of thethings that really, you know, drew us
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to want to have this opportunity toreally showcase you because you did
such an extraordinary job of presenting,you know, the kind of the breadth and
depth of your experience as a student.
And, you know, you were therefor a number of years and had so
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many incredible opportunities to,you know, develop as a person and
grow and, um, you know, shape yourtrajectory and incredible achievements.
Thank you.
Really at each step of the way.
And you've done a beautiful job of Sharingthat so that when people come and look
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at the, you know, kind of compilation ofwork and experiences that you've shared
in Digication, even though you do have,you know, many layers to what you've
done and different experiences, you'vemade it really easy and inviting for
viewers to come in and get to know you.
And, you know, each of these differentkinds of experiences that you've had,
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you know, on the pages that you'vecreated, you have these wonderful
written reflections that pair with thoseexperiences or examples of work that
you've done or clinical experiences.
So People really get the opportunityto learn more deeply how, you know,
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how each of those experiences impactedyou and different ways that it kind
of, you know, Let you grow and kind ofbecome the person that you are today.
And it's just such a beautifulexample that we're excited to share.
We'll include a link to it in the,um, show notes for our podcast so that
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people can go and visit it and getinspired and creating, um, their own.
And, um, It was one of the ways thatI, you know, had the opportunity
to learn about some of thesemany awards that you receive.
And, um, you know, sometimes whenwe're working with students, sometimes
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they may struggle with, um, kind ofseeing the value of the different
experiences that they're having.
Some students, uh, especially maybeas undergraduates or, um, new to
the whole college experience may notrecognize so easily, uh, the value that
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each of their experience is having.
Sometimes they kind of see, youknow, each kind of, um, you know,
course that they're taking in collegeis kind of, you know, checking
off and getting to the next thing.
And you know, the real life isgoing to happen after graduation
and not taking note that there'sall of this incredible growth and
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learning that's happening each day.
And having this space where they cankind of showcase that and reflect
on those things can be so valuable.
And I was curious, you know, when youwere at Stony Brook, at what stage did
you start kind of creating this, um,Kind of curated experience and kind
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of personal branding describing whoyou are and all of these skills and
were there certain professors that youencouraged you to do that or was it
something that you picked up on your own?
I would love to hear about it.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm so glad that you mentioned thelike first year students because I
actually remember back in my firstyear I I was also assigned assigned
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as like an assignment to do aDigication and I promise you it does
not look as good as this No weirdYes, like I I'm sure It's somewhere.
It definitely still existssomewhere, but it definitely does
not look nearly as good as this.
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It was definitely like a, you checka box, you throw a picture in the
background, make it look like semi nice.
But I definitely did not know how manyoptions there could possibly be with this.
However, I, I started this,um, I believe in 2023.
2023. Um, at the very beginning of 2023.
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Uh, so I, I had been working on thisfor over a year and a half, maybe,
yeah, like over a year and a half.
And this was an assignment,um, from my Clinical Professor.
Uh, she actually had us, this is like our,she had us create this because it was.
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Our portfolio to send out to peoplewho are hiring, who are hiring or
interviewing us for post graduation.
Okay.
So.
What course was this?
Um, there were a couple differentcourses that she listed.
So it's the clinicalone, two, three, four.
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I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember,I can actually pull it up, HHS 582.
So there are a handful of Clinicals thatwe have to go through, um, there are four
Clinicals, and I believe it's like HHS581, 582, 583, 584, and these are all
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attached to the Speech Language PathologyProgram at Stony Brook, um, and, um,
These are in person classes, but they'realso a mix of what we do at externship.
How can we apply these skills and talkabout our externships and how they'll
compare to what our clinical fellowshipis going to look like post graduation.
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How after clinical fellowshipexperience, how that's going to carry
over and look like in our, like ourCCCs, like our actual position and job
as full time, um, service providers.
So that was really nice to be able to giveme like, okay, like, this is not only for
an assignment, but like, this is what'sgoing to help me get a job in the future.
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You know, like I, this is how I'm goingto sell and market and like present myself
to a future employer to, to give them alittle, bit about me that's beyond just
like three bullet points on a resume.
Right, right.
Like how can I make myself stand outfrom a thousand other applicants?
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And I, for me, like I knew thatI was coming back to the New York
City Department of Education.
Like that's always where Iknew I wanted to go, especially
because I'm from Brooklyn.
I have that school experience.
I love working with kids.
Um.
And I know that like, thisis where my mom worked.
Like I knew that it was a great unionto be in a great, a salary schedule to
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follow, great school schedule to follow.
And then from my previous subbingexperience too, like I, I knew I
wanted to end up in the DOE, however,the do e is extremely competitive
to get into because everyone elsealso wants to get into the DOE.
So I knew that I, if I wanted to getthe position, I had to stand out and.
(29:08):
I thought to myself, like, well, Ihad already been to the career fair,
like, I have a pretty strong resume.
What else can I do to help me notonly do well in the interview, but how
do I even land myself an interview?
How do I get my resumeto their eyes, you know?
So I remember, um, cold,cold emailing, admittedly.
(29:29):
Um, that's some advice I'd gotten fromother um, Speech Therapists that had
already gotten into the DOE like that,they got in through cold emailing and like
had going into the database and like thisexcel sheet of like two hundred something
Speech Re... ... And Speech Revisors andyou write in a paragraph about yourself,
(29:51):
who you are, and attach your resume.
But a lot of people, like,might still have, like, paper
dedu... paper portfolios.
Some might not haveshared their portfolios.
Some might not have felt confidentabout their portfolio enough to share.
Um, but I remember very proudlyattaching my link, um, to that,
(30:14):
that mini paragraph about myself.
And I like to think that, like, thisis something that they would look at.
I know that a lot of times, like,they'll briefly skim through Um, your
resume, but if they have another linkand have something else that's eye
catching to look at, um, why not?
Or have something memorableif they just click that link.
(30:34):
So I wanted it to be, um, astrong representation of myself.
Like, it's not only very organized, butI've got a lot of leadership experience.
I want to show it off, you know.
I have a lot of extracurricular essay.
I want to show that I'm not only greatat my externships and my academics,
but I'm a well rounded person.
Well rounded candidate for the positionthat I've had a lot of experience to.
(30:58):
Here's a preview of what's coming upnext in part two of my conversation
with Sharron Huang, recentgraduate of Stony Brook University.
Our success is their success and that Ithink is also why I chose to come back
to Stony Brook because I personally hadDr. Fabus who's the head of the program.
I had taken her classes as apre speech track student in
(31:20):
the summers and in the winters.
So being able to like have thatpersonal experience with her and I
know how much she's invested into theprogram and invested in our success.
I, I knew she would be happy towrite a letter of recommendation,
especially with how, how involvedI was with the program and how she
really would love us to see us succeed.
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