Awakening the World: How History, Technology, and Faith Are Converging (Dr. William Federer)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's going on?
Ladies and gentlemen, welcometo another edition of Dimensions
.
Listen, I tell you what.
Stop what you're doing.
We've got a phenomenal man ofGod in the house.
Dr William Federer is here andhe's going to be getting into
some great topics.
Listen, we got a lot going onin the world right now and I
believe God is setting us up forthe third great awakening

(00:26):
that's getting ready to happen.
This man is one of the greatesthistorians that I have ever met
.
I call him God's AI.
I mean because he just rattlesoff everything dates, time.
We're going to talk about a lotof different things that's going
to be of interest to you,things that have happened in the
history, history books, but nowis going to come into fruition
today.
There's a whole lot we're goingto get into.

(00:47):
I need you to take a minutelike, subscribe, follow, share.
This is going to be aphenomenal, phenomenal episode.
You're not going to want tomiss it.
We're talking about theprophecies of Christ Jesus on
this Holy Week and how rare itwould have been for him to be
able to fulfill those.
It's going to be outstanding.
Get ready, because there's awhole lot more, with Dr William

(01:08):
J Federer in the house righthere on Dimensions.

(01:31):
I'm so glad that you are hereand we are so excited to get
into this next episode.
As you can see, I'm missing mybetter half.
She's a little under theweather, but, listen, we still
got good things in the house.
She sends her love to all ofy'all.
We're going to be back againand we're going to have a whole
lot more coming up, and soshe'll be back really, really
soon.
We miss you, baby, but we'regoing to have a great time

(01:54):
because Dr Federer is here inthe house.
But listen, this is going to beso good and I need you, as
always, to take a minute to like, subscribe, follow, share
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We are on there and we'reconstantly coming to you, and so

(02:16):
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and follow, you will be thenewest member of the Dimensions
family, and so it's going to begreat to have you a part of our
team, and we've got constantthings coming up.
I just put something out.
This morning I went impromptuput something out on President
Donald Trump.
He called together a bunch ofministers and pastors and elders

(02:38):
to come together at the WhiteHouse to do an Easter
resurrection prayer service anddinner.
It was outstanding.
If you didn't get a chance tocheck that out, go and do that,
because it was outstanding whatwe did.
So with no further ado, we'regoing to get right into this.
I want to give him a formalintroduction because he is a man

(02:58):
of God that I am so honored toknow.
I have seen him back in the dayon Cornerstone television, back
when Don Black was the CEOthere and he was.
I mean, he had these thingsthat he did on moments in
American history where revivalsthat happened, prayers that
presidents prayed and, as aresult, turned the tide of wars

(03:20):
called fast.
I mean it was.
I was always looking forward toit.
He is just a wealth ofknowledge and he takes history
and the Bible and puts themtogether and shows us even
patterns of things that God didin the past that he can do today
.
So Dr William J Federer is anationally known speaker,
bestselling author and presidentof AmeriSearch Inc.
A publishing company dedicatedto researching America's noble

(03:41):
heritage.
Bill's American Minute radiofeature is broadcast daily
across America and by theInternet His faith in history.
Television airs on the TCTnetwork and on stations across
America via DirecTV.
He's been on every singlechannel TBN, cbn, msnbc, newsmax
.
He's been on radio JanetParshall's Point of View USA

(04:04):
Radio Network.
He's been in publicationsquoted in USA Today, human
Events, the New York Times, theWashington Times.
He's authored over 30 books anda whole lot more.
Ladies and gentlemen, timefails me to be able to rattle
off everything that he hasaccomplished and the things that
he has done, but we are sohonored to have him with us here
.
Dr William J Federer, thanksfor coming on.

(04:26):
Dimensions, jay, great to bewith you, and best to Tiffany as
well.
Thank you so much.
You know I was thinking aboutthat I shared with you a little
bit ago.
I remember moments in Americanhistory I think that's what we
called it and always lookedforward to seeing what you were
going to bring to the table,because we didn't know in
advance.
But you would come on and Iremember we would get in some of

(04:48):
those different episodes andthen we would come out of that
and I was like, oh man, look atwhat God did.
And there's so many things, drFederer, that God has done in
history that we don't see in thehistory books.
But you've brought it to lightto us and thank you so much for
those times because it alwaysspurred on our television show a
whole lot greater.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, it's a way to give a perspective.
You know, a cornfield lookslike a cornfield but you turn
the corner and you see the rowsline up.
History from a secularperspective it's all there but
it makes no sense.
But then when you see it from aprovidential perspective, you
see God had a hand in it andthere's a purpose to it all.
So hopefully I can give alittle insight tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
For sure, and listen.
As always, my wife always likesto put together a couple of
questions.
We have a would you rather?
Segment.
Would you mind participating inthat?
Sure, All right.
All right, Dr Bill, would yourather?

(05:53):
I've got two questions for you.
Now, obviously these arepopcorn questions, You're not.
I don't most time give them topeople in advance, I like to
just to kind of shoot right fromthe hip.
Number one would you ratherhave dinner with Moses or with
Paul?
Number one would you ratherhave dinner with Moses or with
Paul Paul.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Why is that, sir?
Because Paul was an expert onMoses, plus, he met Jesus
supernaturally.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So he sort of put it all together.
That is a good point, you know,but Moses had the burning bush.
I mean, he had that going on.
He also had that, the encounterwith God where his face shined
like the noonday sun aftergetting the, the tablets.
There's a lot that he had aswell.
You wouldn't want to experienceany of that.
Oh, I definitely would.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know the one time when God was upset at the
children of Israel and he saidMoses, step aside, I'm going to
destroy them and I'll make a newnation out of you.
And Moses stood in the gap andsaid God, no, the Egyptians will
say you weren't powerful enoughto bring them into the promised

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land, and so forth.
And God says, okay.
But you know, that was prettyamazing that moses did that, um.
And then he once said, god, Iwant to see your glory.
And god said, okay, I'll putyou in the cleft of the rock,
I'll put my hand over you andI'll pass by.
And and the lord uh, that hismercy endureth forever.

(07:19):
And um, and moses saw hisbackside but saw the glory of
the Lord.
And then the one spot it saysthat Moses and the 70 elders had
a dinner with the Lord.
I don't know if it's just oneof those passages there.
And so, yeah, definitely apowerful time with Moses.

(07:41):
But Paul is one who connectedthe dots and so he was an expert
in the law, probably one of thepremier experts in the law of
his day.
But I mean, who can pass uphaving Jesus appear to you?
That's true.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
That is true, that is very true, all right.
Number two would you ratherhave God add 15 years to your
life or be carried away toheaven in a chariot of fire?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Probably the 15 years .
I mean I would love to be inheaven, but I figure I can do
more for the Lord on this sideand maybe gather a couple more
souls for him if I'm stayingdown here.
But I am definitely lookingforward to being up in heaven
and that will be a glorious day.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know that's more of the Paul coming out.
You remember he talked abouthow to stay here is better for
you, but to leave, he said, I'mcaught in straight betwixt two.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I guess that's more of a Pauline theology
coming out of you there, yeah,yeah, I mean, one time I was
praying and I was imagining inmy mind, you know, being in
heaven and there's like thislong line of people going up a
stairway, like a single skinnystairway, and it's like nothing
down below, but you're just, andwe're all going up into the

(09:10):
throne room one by one, andthere's no hurry because we're
in eternity, right, and youdon't get tired waiting because
you got, you know, yourresurrected body or your, you
know.
But but the idea is that you'regoing up there and I was
imagining it, you know theangels standing there, you know,
at the entrance, and it's like,and then, uh, and then in my
imaginations you walk in andthere there's no floors, just

(09:32):
you in the presence of the Lord,just sort of suspended, and how
glorious that would be.
And then I thought you know,you can go into the presence of
the Lord now anytime you want,that's right, you just, you just
get alone in your closet andpray, and it's you in the throne
room with with God, and so sowe need to take advantage of the

(09:53):
time that we have that we canspend time with the Lord and
pray Amen.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well, you know, teach us to number our days.
You know, that's one of the bigthings I kind of want to get
into in just a little bit hereis I believe that we're in a
window of opportunity.
I just did a podcast episodeabout President Trump and what
he did, allowing the gospel intothe White House and allowing
charismatic preachers andteachers and non-denoms and

(10:20):
denominational teachers andspeakers all sorts of people
coming together to celebrate thedeath, burial and resurrection
of Jesus Christ.
You know, in your mind, can yousee a time in presidential
history where there's been apresident as open to allowing
the gospel and defending thegospel the way that President

(10:42):
Trump has?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
defending the gospel the way that President Trump has
.
Few, but not many, you know youhad.
James Garfield was actually aminister but then he got
assassinated.
You had several that werestrong Christians you had.
You know Lincoln mentioned Godseveral times in his inaugural

(11:05):
address.
You know intelligence,patriotism, christianity and a
firm reliance on him, who hasnever yet forsaken his favored
land, are still competent toadjust in the best way.
All our present difficulty.
Many great statements.
I read through all the messagesand papers of the presidents I
mean up through George W Bush,and I was amazed at that.

(11:27):
But President Trump has madethe boldest statements about
Jesus that I've ever seen.
Reagan makes some good ones andhe would say things like you
know, we as Christiansacknowledge him as the Christ,
but I love Trump.
He's just out there.
He says this Holy Week this washis tweet this week, christians

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around the world remember thecrucifixion of God's only
begotten Son, our Lord andSavior Jesus Christ, and on
Easter Sunday we celebrate hisglorious resurrection and
proclaim as Christians have donefor 2,000 years he is risen.
I mean, you can't get anyclearer than that.
And so I think we need torealize this is a unique moment.

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Last year it was TransgenderedVisibility Day, and the
transgender movement is acloaked anti-Christian movement
because it's totally denyingChristian doctrine.
If they were to say we're goingto push anti-Christianism,
right, there'd be a pushback,but if you say we're going to
push transgenderism, it's like,well, okay, it's the same thing,
though, because what are theysaying?
Jesus said in the beginning Godmade a male and female.
Well, the transgender says,well, no God, there is no God.

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And if he is there, he's messedup and he's confused and
putting people and then, youknow, jesus paid the price for
our sins, but in their worldviewthere are no sins.
Right, the little library booksthey show the kids try this
kind of sex, try that kind ofsex.

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If sex outside of marriage isnot a sin, arguably there are no
sins.
Right, the little library booksthey show the kids.
Try this kind of sex, try thatkind of sex.
If sex outside of marriage isnot a sin, arguably there are no
sins.
And if there's no sins, youdon't need a savior to save you
from your sins.
So the trans agenda isliterally undermining the entire
gospel.
You know, you have to admitit's a pretty clever trick the
devil's pulled to get Christianswho believe the gospel of
Christ, let their children betaught the gospel of antichrist.
We're Christians.

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We don't get involved inpolitics, so we're going to let
ungodly people teach our kidsthat God does not exist.
There's no sin, there's no needfor a savior.
It's like well, you're reallyspiritual, aren't you?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Well, you know you talk about the whole trans word.
Um, I and I know we didn't planon going here, but since we're
here, I'm going to go ahead andgo down that path anyways, I
don't know how well versed youare in the AI and things along
that line, something that I haveseen, dr Federer, and I would
love your take on this.
I have seen that.
You know, when I was growing upin like the 80s and early 90s,

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there was the whole movement inregards to evolution versus
creation, and then you had thewhole homosexual movement that
kind of came in.
And then now then we startedseeing where you had the battle
for marriage and pro-life andall of that.
And now that we've come to thatpoint where a man is trying to
be a woman, woman's trying to bea man, we have transgender.

(14:22):
I have sensed and what mythoughts are, and I want to hear
your thoughts on it that thenext thing that the devil's
going to try to come istranshuman.
I have a view on things and Iknow we're getting into end
times things.
I don't know how well versedyou are, but I I don't want to
throw a curve ball at you, butgive me what you got in regards
to the Nephilim and what istranspiring.

(14:43):
I believe that we're cominginto a time where we're going to
have to be careful of what theyeven consider what a human is,
because I think that's the lastbastion of resistance.
If the devil can come in anddestroy what a man and a woman
is as far as a human being, thenhe's ascribing that all men and
women will become like God.
What are your thoughts on thatnext movement?

(15:03):
Do you have any views on that?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, well, we're made in the image of God and
Satan hates God, so he hateslittle images of God.
It's like if you don't likesomebody, you won't like a
picture of that person either.
Right, we're like littlepictures of God and he wants to.
You know how they drawmustaches on the.
You know it's like he wants todestroy the image of God.
And and then you know, you goback to the beginning.
The first prophecy ever was theseed of the woman will crush

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the serpent's head.
So as far as the devil knewsomebody coming out of the woman
is going to be crushing hishead.
So what does he want to do?
He wants to corrupt the seed.
That's right.
So you know, there is theverses in Genesis where it says
the sons of God came down andhad relations with the daughters
of men, and most commentariessay that was, you know, fallen

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angels or demonic spirits thatwere going around and it was
corrupting the DNA.
And that was from what I readwhere a lot of the giants came
from, and that's right.
Like that, uh, the book ofenoch, um but um, but it was
corrupting the seed.
And so by the time of noah, uh,it was like he was the only one

(16:16):
on earth that didn't have acorrupted genetic line.
And since the savior ispromised to be the seed of the
woman and the devil wants tocorrupt that seed, god wanted to
preserve Noah so that therewould be this uncorrupted line
that the Messiah could be bornthrough.
So there's that aspect to it.

(16:38):
I did talk to a public schoolteacher and he said the next
thing after the transgenderismis witchcraft.
And he says these kids arecoming into his class.
You want to see my new spellbook?
And he said look at this.
And he says these kids are likeinto it and so he's like a

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Christian teacher, but he can'tcome out and share the faith.
And even though the publicschool systems in America were
all Protestant up until 1962,people forget that that the
public school was Protestant.
The Catholics pulled their kidsout of the public school system
because they wanted theCatholic parochial school system
.
So there were two schoolsystems in America the public

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school system, which wasProtestant, and the parochial
school system was Catholic.
But after a while Christianspulled themselves out and let
the other move in.
And now you would have neverknown that it used to be
Protestant.
But he says, well, would youwant somebody casting a spell?
She broke up with her boyfriendand she wanted to get her

(17:40):
boyfriend back.
So she wanted to cast somespells.
And he's like, well, would youwant somebody to cast spells and
manipulate you?
And she says, well, maybe not.
She says, well, maybe you oughtto think twice about that.
So you know, you've got Satanstatues in the Iowa State
Capitol Satan worshiping Grammys, satan trans, clothes,
designers for Target, disney, FXhaving a little demon Satan

(18:00):
cartoon.
I mean, it's coming out of thecloset.
My feeling is that we're gettingclose to the end and God is
like I need you to make yourdecision.
You're not a robot, you havefree will and I need you to
hurry up.
So I'm going to make the choicereally clear.
God devil choose.

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And some people are going to.
You know they're going tochoose the all others.
You know, like in a weddingceremony, forsaking all others
and choosing the one.
Well, they're going to go withthe all others, as they want to
be liked.
And you know, like you think ofJK Rowling with the Harry
Potter and for most Christiansthat was sort of on the fringe.

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And then, lo and behold, shestands up for a man and a woman
and then she goes from beingtheir hero to their enemy and
they just turn.
And so when you're wanting theapproval of others, it's a
moving goalpost and so finally,it's going to get to flat-out
Satanism and some people aregoing to be so used to wanting

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to be accepted that they'll goalong with it, and others are
going to say, look, I got todraw the line.
I can't go with hysterectomieson little eight-year-old girls
because they went through atomboy phase.
I'm sorry, I just can't gothere.
I'm drawing the line.
Here I was with Charlie Kirkand he goes.
I draw the line it's Satan.
I'm tolerant, but I'm not goingto tolerate Satan.
Okay, you know but it's like Godis pushing us to a decision,

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and so he's just making it areal easy decision, you know,
making it really clear.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, I really believe that too.
I think President Trump hasactually helped with that too,
because he has no filter.
I mean, what you see is whatyou get, and I think he kind of
blew the box out of thispolitically correct look as a
president, and you know whenthings are in the head it flows
down to the rest of the nation,and I think that's what's
happening.
I think God is putting adividing line and we're seeing

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who's with them and who's not,and it's funny.
You know, I would say it likethis when I was growing up, the
whole thing was everyone had aright to their opinion.
Then we hit a phase whereeveryone's opinion is right.
Now the view is my opinion isright, and if you disagree with
me, you're my enemy.
It's like we've gotten this linein the sand, like you said, and

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it's because we're at thethreshing floor Before the
harvest.
God separates the sheep fromthe goats.
There is a threshing floor andeverything that can be shaken
has to be shaken.
So then that which can't beshaken will remain.
That's what's happening in thisday and hour, which leads me to
this point of you know we're inHoly Week, dr Federer, and you
know it's really unique.
There's over 300 messianicprophecies that had to be

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fulfilled, but you have a takeon it that there's eight of them
that were major ones, that ifthey were fulfilled.
There's a statistic that youhave.
Can you talk just a little bitabout that whole Jesus and the
Messianic prophecies beingfulfilled?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Right.
So there are over 300prophecies that prophesy you
know when he's going to be bornand what line is seated David, I
mean all these things.
But a study was 27 of theseprophecies were fulfilled on one
single day, right the day hewas crucified.

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And so there was a book writtenby Josh McDowell and his son,
sean McDowell, Evidence thatDemands a Verdict, published in
2017.
And in there they quoteProfessor Peter W Stoner,
chairman of the Department ofMathematics and Astronomy at
Pasadena City College.

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And so they took just eight ofthose 300.
And one was he would be born inBethlehem Micah 5.2.
He would be born of a virginIsaiah 7.14.
He would be a descendant ofDavid Isaiah 9.7.
He would be betrayed for 30pieces of silver Zechariah 11.12
.
He would be mocked Psalms 22.7and 8.

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He would be crucified John 3.14.
He would be pierced Psalm 22,16.
He would die with the wicked,yet be buried with the rich
Isaiah 53, 9.
I mean, how could you do thatone?
If you die with the wicked,you're a wicked person, but
you're going to be buried withhonors in a rich man's tomb.
And so the chance that oneperson could fulfill just eight

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of these prophecies this is whathe said.
We find that the chance thatany man might have lived down to
the present time and fulfillall eight of those prophecies is
one in ten to the seventeenthpower, that's one with 17 zeros
behind it.
I mean we're past the trillionsand quadrillions and

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quintillions and sextillions.
I mean we're up to the 17s,whatever that is.
And so now the brilliance ofprophecies is they had to be not
clear enough so the devilcouldn't figure them out and try
to stop them.
So the devil couldn't figurethem out and try to stop them.
But clear enough so that whenChrist was resurrected he could

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walk along the road to Emmausand point out the scriptures,
from beginning with Moses andthe prophets that dealt with him
.
So why do they have to be notclear enough?
I mean, when the three wise mencame to Herod and said we're
here to worship the King of theJews, herod panicked.
He goes to the scribes Where'sthis King supposed to be born?
And they go Bethlehem.
What was Herod's response?

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Kill all the babies inBethlehem.
Right, if the devil could havefigured these out, he would have
tried to stop them.
I mean, indeed he did, but hedidn't understand them enough to
be able to be successful at it.
But then they had to be clearenough so that they could prove,
confirm that Jesus is theMessiah, because if he just
showed up and did some miracles,you know, but here from this

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Eve on, the seed of the womanwill crush the serpent's head
like 4,000 years before Christ.
All these prophecies.
So if you have ever seen one ofthose little pictures where you
look at it from one angle andsee a picture like a Cracker
Jack prize, remember how youused to have, and if you tilted
it had little plastic ridges onit you could see one picture,
but you tilt it the other way,you see another picture.
When the devil looks atprophecies, he can't make sense

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out of it.
He has no.
It's sort of like, you know, Iwas before I got saved and I
would read the Bible and I wouldfall asleep.
Yeah, I couldn't make sense outof it.
But once you have the Holyspirit, all of a sudden it
unlocks it all and now it makessense, and it's fascinating and
brilliant.
And then you can it's like youturn the corner on the cornfield

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and it makes sense.
So, um, there's another quote,uh, robert Morris page.
He was a physicist known as thefather of US radar, for
inventing pulsation radar usedfor detection of aircraft.
He served Naval ResearchLaboratory in DC, held 37

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patents, us Navy, distinguishedCivil Service all these awards
son of a Methodist minister.
And he talks about prophecies.
And so Robert Morris Page saidthe authenticity of the writing
of the prophets, though the menthemselves are human, is

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established by such things asthe prediction of highly
significant events far in thefuture.
That could be accomplished onlythrough a knowledge obtained
from a realm which is notsubject to the laws of time as
we know them.
One of the great evidences isthe long series of prophecies
concerning Jesus, the Messiah.
These prophecies extendhundreds of years prior to the
birth of Christ.
They include a vast amount ofdetail concerning Christ himself

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, his nature, the things hewould do when he came, things
which to the natural world or tothe scientific world remain to
this day completely inexplicable.
So these are very smart mensaying that the chance that
these could come to pass andthat you could have these
writings about him that hefulfilled in detail.

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And now one of the other thingsI find fascinating is what's
called extra biblicalidence ofthe Gospel.
What's extra biblical?
That's stuff that's not in theBible, yet it proves the gospel.
And so Dr Gary Habermas ofLiberty University cataloged

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over 3,400 sources of earlychurch history.
These are secular historians,roman governors, you know Roman
different positions, and they'rewriting about Christians and

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Christianity, sometimesnegatively.
And yeah, there's this groupthat's just obstinate and they
claim that their leader,Christus, who had died, is alive
again, and so they have thissuperstition that he rose from
the dead.
And they're saying this withinjust a few years after the

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resurrection.
So the people, oh well, overover the centuries they
embellished it and it wasn'tuntil you know the consul in
isaiah that they know this wasimmediately after.
And these are josephus, from 37to 100 ad.
Uh, and he was a jew that washired by the romans to write the

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history of the jewish peoplethat the romans had wiped.
They're like we're done withthis rebellious group of people
Right Sort of this obituary ofthe Jewish.
So Joseph.
And then another is Suetonius,70 to 160 AD.
Now there's plenty of theyounger 61 to 113.
Another is Tacitus, 58 to 120.

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Another, mara Bar-Sephion, 72AD.
Lucian, 125, and then theBabylonian Talmud.
And so these are ancientdocuments that are not Bible,
but when you piece them togetherthat they would say things like

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you know, one would say thathis followers claimed that, you
know, three days he was, he hadrisen again.
Another would say that theywon't burn incense to the
emperor.
Another would say that Christ,you know, was a descendant of
David.
But you take all these extrabiblical sources together and,

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like a puzzle piece, you can puttogether the whole gospel story
.
And so this is not somethingthat was made up.
This is something that goes allthe way back.
And then the fact that 11 of the12 apostles were martyred and
the 12th one, john john, wasthrown in a pot of oil.
They tried to kill him, but hesurvived.

(29:08):
That.
You don't go to your deathprotecting a lie, yeah, right,
and one of them would have atleast broke and uh, and they
were torturous deaths.
Peter was crucified upside down, and and then a lot of the
disciples were martyred.
And so here you have peoplethat are willing to die for

(29:33):
their faith.
So there's enough evidence, andthat's why Josh McDowell wrote
the book Evidence that Demands aVerdict.
That, like, wait a second, thisisn't just a story that
somebody made up, right.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, you know, dr Federer, you know something that
you said that kind of justtriggered something in me.
I was thinking about how yousaid you wouldn't go to your
death defending a lie.
But if you think about it,before Jesus was crucified there
was only one of the disciplesthat stuck with him the whole
way, but he was the only onethat actually wasn't martyred,
and it's amazing, though, howall of them fled the scene.

(30:08):
But then, after they had anencounter with God on the day of
Pentecost, in Acts chapter two,from that point on, these men
begin to carry the gospel in away that they carried it to
their graves, literally to theirmartyrdom graves, and I just
think that's completely awesome.
I never thought about that.
I was like, wow, even thatwould show something changed in

(30:30):
their lives, because theydeviated for a moment.
They kind of.
You know, he said this day, youall are going to denounce me
and go your separate ways, butthen, you know, after they came
back and got endued with power,everything was completely
different in their world.
You know, I want to kind oftransition to something, because
you have some things about theseven feasts of Israel and how
Jesus fulfilled those on the day.

(30:52):
Can you take us through that,seeing that we are in Passover
land right now, passover season?
Talk to us a little bit aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, so 1400 BC is the general date that the
children of Israel came out ofEgypt, came into the promised
land and Moses gets the law.
And in the law there Leviticus25, it lists seven major feasts
that they're supposed tocelebrate, and they're grouped

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in three and they're supposed togo to Jerusalem.
Uh, you know, now, before they,when they're um wandering, they
hadn't picked a city yet, youknow.
And then it was Shiloh for awhile, but then it settled on
Jerusalem.
But the idea was, you went towherever the tabernacle was, and
you do it three times a year,and the first group is feast of

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Passover and leavened bread andfeast of first fruits.
Fifty days later is the feastof Pentecost, and then at the
beginning of the harvest, andthen at the end of the harvest
is the feast of trumpets, day ofatonement and the feast of
tabernacles.
So let's break this down.
So the first is the feast ofPassover, what's that?

(32:06):
That's when the Pharaoh wasordering the infant boys to be
thrown into the Nile River, andso God told the Pharaoh let my
people go.
And they didn't.
And so the response was Godhaving 10 plagues, and the 10th

(32:27):
one was similar to the Pharaoh'scommand, and it was that God
was going to slay the firstbornof all the Egyptians.
And so each Hebrew family wasto kill a lamb and put the blood
over the doorposts of theirhouse.
What's that?
So here you have the angel ofjudgment coming.

(32:49):
The angel of judgment coming,and the lamb's blood said that
judgment has already been paidfor.
The lamb took the judgment anddied, and here's the proof of it
.
And so this house has alreadybeen judged.
You can pass over.
And so it's called the Passover, and obviously that's

(33:09):
foreshadowing Jesus, that hetook the judgment.
So we will not be judged.
And so Exodus 12, 8 givesinstructions they shall eat the
flesh of the Passover lamb thatnight, roast with fire,
unleavened bread and bitterherbs.
They shall eat it.
So the Jews, the Hebrews theword Jew comes from the word the

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tribe of Judah, but that wasall the Israelites.
Jacob's name was changed toIsrael.
He had 12 sons, and so theIsraelites.
But after you know, 10 tribeswere taken captive to Assyria,
722 BC, and then the tribe ofJudah was taken captive to

(33:54):
Babylon but came back, and sothere's still other tribes sort
of mixed in, but we call themall Jews now, and that goes to
the Judah Anyway.
So when Jesus was crucified,that night they celebrated the
Passover meal.
He was that night, theycelebrated the Passover meal.

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Now, the Jews, their day beginsat sunset and goes to the next
sunset.
So our day, you know, begins atdawn, but really it begins with
12.01 am and so, but the Hebrewday began as soon as the sun
set to when the next sunset.
So, jesus, the sun sets, jesusand his apostles celebrate the
Passover meal, and then he goesto the garden, sweats drops of

(34:42):
blood, he's arrested, taken toCaiaphas' house, then taken to
Pilate right, and then he'scrucified, probably around 9 am,
and then he hangs on the crosstill around 3 pm and they take
him down and then put him in thetomb.
And then they say we have totake him down before the sun
sets.
And then so Jesus celebratedthe Passover meal and died as

(35:03):
the Passover lamb on the sameday, and it was the, in Hebrew
it's the 15th day of the monthof Nisan.
And so the very day that theHebrews, you know, israelites
were celebrating Passover, jesusdied as the Passover lamb,

(35:26):
taking the judgment of our sins.
The apostle Paul said 1Corinthians 5, 7, for even
Christ, our Passover, issacrificed for us.
And then John the Baptist sawJesus and said behold the lamb
of God that taketh away the sinsof the world.
So he's the Passover lamb.
Justin Martyr, who was a churchleader after John he lived 100

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to 165 AD he said the lamb wascommanded to be wholly roasted,
a symbol of the suffering of thecross which Christ would
undergo.
For the lamb is roasted anddressed up in the form of a
cross, for one spit istransfixed right through the
lower part, up to the head, andone across the back, to which

(36:11):
are attached the legs of thelamb.
So in other words, they wouldtake the lamb and then, you know
, open up its chest and then youknow, tie it up to the like a
cross and then stick it over thefire.
And so it roasted.
But it was the most cruel deaththat the romans could come up
with.
So we use the word excruciatingpain, while excruciate comes

(36:38):
from cruciate or crucify.
And so Dr Alexander Metherellwrote the pain was absolutely
unbearable.
In fact it was literally beyondwords to describe.
They had to invent a new wordexcruciating.

(37:00):
Literally, excruciating meansout of the cross.
So the Romans, it was no funjust to kill somebody, let's
drag it out, let's make themsuffer.
Cicero wrote crucifixion was themost cruel and hideous of all
tortures.
Historian Will Durant wroteeven the Romans pitied the
victims.
And so now, when you readIsaiah 53, which foretells the
Messiah's suffering, surely hehas took our pain and bore our

(37:24):
suffering.
Yet we considered him punishedby God, stricken by him and
afflicted.
But he was pierced for ourtransgressions.
He was crushed for ourtransgressions.
He was crushed for ouriniquities.
The punishment that brought uspeace was on him, and by his
wounds we are healed.
The Lord has laid on him theiniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, afflicted,yet he did not open his mouth.

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He was led like a lamb to theslaughter and as a sheep before
its shearers is silent.
He was cut off from the land ofthe living for the
transgression of my people.
He was punished, yet it was theLord's will to crush him and
cause him to suffer.
The Lord makes his life anoffering for sin.
My righteous servant willjustify many and he will bear

(38:09):
their iniquity, for he bore thesin of many and made
intercession for thetransgressor.
So Jesus took the punishmentthat you and I deserved in our
place.
And so that's the first feast,it's Passover, and then the next
day, the Jews, from Moses on,celebrate the Feast of

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Unleavened Bread.
Now, leaven is yeast and it'ssymbolic of sin.
And so, on this day, the Jewswould get all the yeast out of
their house and brush it out.
And some of the super orthodoxones would go through a feather
and a spoon and they would, likeyou know, get it out of their

(38:50):
homes.
Ones would go through a featherand a spoon and they would,
like you know, get it out oftheir homes.
And so no sourdough breadstarter, everything's gone there
.
And so on the exact feast ofunleavened bread, jesus was in
the tomb and the scripture is hewho taketh away the sins of the
world.
So he took the sin out of theworld.

(39:12):
The apostle Paul wrote in 1Corinthians 5, 6, know ye not
that a little leaven leaveneththe whole lump?
Purge out, therefore, the oldleaven.
Let us keep the feast not withthe old leaven, neither with the
leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread
of sincerity and truth.
So we have this Passover andthen Jesus dies as the Passover

(39:37):
lamb on the exact feast ofPassover, the feast of
unleavened bread and sin.
Jesus is in the tomb on thatday.
And then the question is well,what did Jesus experience when
he was?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
dead.
Oh wait, dr Bill, let me stopfor a second.
So okay, the Feast of Eliezeris a day after Passover, and so
when Jesus died, he was actuallyremoving the sin, the leaven
out of the world.
He fulfilled that part of it.
Is that what I'm hearing?
I've heard a lot of differentthings.
I've never heard that him beingthe.

(40:13):
You know.
I've heard of Jesus fulfillingPassover, pentecost, and then
I've heard about tabernaclesstill yet to be fulfilled, but
I've never heard that him beingremoved out, like when he left.
Obviously, he went during thosetimes which you're about to
explain.
He was fulfilling the Feast ofUnleavened Bread and taking a
stand.
That's outstanding.
He was fulfilling the Feast ofUnleavened Bread and taking the
sin out.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
That's outstanding.
Yeah, and there's one place inthe book of Acts where Paul said
I have to get to Jerusalem intime for the Feast of Unleavened
Bread.
And then another one was youknow, Herod was going to kill
Peter the apostle, but wanted towait till after the Feast of

(40:53):
Unleavened Bread.
Well, so they're talking aboutthe Passover, the first three
feasts of the year.
So we have Passover, Feast ofUnleavened Bread, and then on
the third day it's the Feast ofFirstfruits.
But I wanted to mention onething.
You know there's a lot oftheologians and I don't have the

(41:13):
answer, but the question iswhat did Jesus experience when
he was dead?
Jesus himself Matthew 12, saidno sign will be given except the
sign of the prophet Jonah, forhis Jonah was three days and
nights in the belly of the greatfish.
So the Son of man will be threedays and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

(41:33):
And so, since Jesus himself isreferring to Jonah, if we go
back and read Jonah, Jonahprayed unto the Lord out of the
fish's belly, out of the bellyof hell, cried I, and thou
heardest my voice.
Thou hast cast me into the deep, into the midst of the seas.
The floods compass me about allthy billows and thy waves pass

(42:17):
over me.
And then you get this insightwhere a day with the lord is as
a thousand years.
Jesus experienced that that dayas if it was a thousand years,
um, you know, in the spiritualdimension, and um, so that's why
he was sweating drops of blood.
Um, yeah right, wow, I mightget into a little bit more of
that later.
And then the next day is theFeast of Firstfruits and it
marks the beginning of theharvest, and the first thing to

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grow was the winter barley, andit would just pop up out of the
ground and they would have thefirst little shoots of it and in
order to dedicate the upcomingharvest to the Lord, they would
cut off those first shoots.
And then we take them and wavethem before the Lord.
And so, Leviticus 23, when youenter the land and reap the

(43:03):
harvest, then you shall bring inthe sheaf of the first fruits
of your harvest.
The priest shall wave the sheafbefore the Lord.
So Jesus rose from the dead onthe exact feast of first fruits,
and the apostle Paul wrote in 1Corinthians 15, but now is
Christ risen from the dead andbecome the first fruits of them?

(43:24):
That slept, but every man inhis order, Christ, the first
fruits after word, they that areChrist at his coming.
And so there's this passage thatI'd love to see included in
Jesus movies.
It says when Jesus died, itsays there was an earthquake,

(43:46):
yes, yes, and the curtain of thetemple was rent from top to
bottom.
And then it says that the earthquaked and the rocks broke and
the graves were opened.
And then it says that after theresurrection, many of those
that had slept arose and walkedthrough Jerusalem and were seen
by many.

(44:06):
So Jesus was the first fruits,but then some of those ancient
saints that had been buriedthere, they came up right and so
they were after Christ.
But you could just imagine thescene in Jerusalem, right?
It's like oh.
I miss Joe so bad Hi.
Mom Just wanted to say hibefore.

(44:26):
I go up to heaven, you know andand then um, jonah, since jesus
referred to jonah, uh, he saysuh, thou has brought my life up
from corruption.
Uh, that was brought up, mylife from corruption.
Oh, lord, my god, when my soulfainted within me, I remember
the lord.
My prayer went up to you intoyour holy temple.

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Salvation is of the lord.
So the lord spoke to the fishand it vomited Jonah onto dry
land.
And now, with the resurrection,the gospel has the fact that
Jesus appeared to the womenfirst.
Now, this is important becauseif you were going to make up a

(45:10):
story, you would make it up withJesus appearing to the high
priest and to the most respectedpeople of the day.
You wouldn't make it so.
Josephus even included inAntiquity of the Jews he said
the first century legal policy.
He says let not the testimonyof women be admitted.

(45:31):
So women couldn't even testifyin court, right, I mean, they
were not taken serious.
But here Jesus appeared to awoman.
So nobody that was going tofabricate a story would have
done that.
Yet Jesus wanted to elevate theposition of a woman and say
look, I'm going to appear to thewoman first.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And so so then, hey, dr Bill, is there a possibility
that, because you know the Biblesays I believe it is, and I
want to say it's Galatians,where it says that in Christ he
made one new man, where there'sneither male nor female?
Is that one of the reasons why?
Also is because he wasappearing to women saying listen
, I know, at one point in theold law men and women were not

(46:15):
considered equal, but in thisnew covenant all men and women
are created equal.
Is there a possibility?
That's where he was going withthat as well.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
I read in Genesis, chapter five, where it says these are the
generations of Adam in the dayGod created him, male and female
created he then, and he calledtheir name Adam.
So God made Adam in his image.

(46:45):
And then he put Adam to sleepand he took a rib, but the
Hebrew word for rib is side.
So he put Adam to sleep and hetook out rib, but the Hebrew
word for rib is side.
So he put Adam to sleep and hetook out the side of him, right.
So Adam woke up the next dayand said I'm half the man I used
to be.
And he took out what.
All the intuition, the motherlynurturing, the, the verbal, uh,

(47:09):
relationship skills.
I mean all of that, that, thatsixth sense, that women have
that intuition where they knowthe kid's about to fall off the
counter you know, and, and guysare sort of like you know, sink
or swim, kid, you know, go outthere and the mother's like and
um, uh.
And so then he brings Eve toAdam and you read it he's God's

(47:34):
a creator.
And so, when you think of it,what's the last thing God ever
created?
Well, according to the creationstory, it was man.
But what's the last last thing?
Well, it was woman.
Right, if you're a creator andit's the last thing you're going
to create, are you just goingto throw some paint on the wall
and be done, or are you wantingto show off your creative genius

(47:57):
?
But you want it.
You want somebody to admire it.
I mean, it's one thing having ahouse full of paintings and
you're the only one that seesthem, right.
And so he brings eve to adam,almost like showing off how good
.
And and when you think of it,what's the?
The object of most art?
It's a woman.
They're selling a muffler, theygot a pretty girl up there,
that's true.
And so I think that the most.

(48:20):
And when I wrote a book on thehistory of Islam and you see the
way women are treated, it saysyou know, the man can have four
wives, a woman can have fourhusbands, and all the guy has to
do to divorce his wife is say Idivorce you three times, and
she's out the door.
And then you look at some ofthe far eastern Hindu Buddhists
where the women have to walkbehind the man, and you look

(48:44):
at—so most of the falsereligions.
They treat women like trash.
I saw a picture one timeNational Geographic.
There was a guy smoking acigarette and behind him is a
pile of sticks and it says youknow, an Albanian Muslim man and
his wife.
I'm like, where's the?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
wife.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
You look under the sticks is this woman hunched
over and their sticks are on herback and she's got this rope
and she's, you know, pulling itit and she's walking up the road
while he's smoking a cigarette.
She's a pack animal, right?
When my daughter she went on amission trip to Thailand and
they witnessed to these girls toget them out of prostitution
and they have a Tamar center tohelp them to, you know, weave

(49:24):
baskets and sell them to try tomake a living and she said, yeah
, they would tell the girls thatif you're a really good
prostitute, in your next lifeyou get to be reincarnated as a
man.
My wife said that's from goingfrom bad to worse, but but so.

(49:44):
So when Jesus said in thebeginning God made them male and
female, and the man shall leavethe father, mother and cleave
to the wife, and the man shallleave the father, mother and
cleave to the wife and the twoshall be one, he didn't say the
three, four, five, six, a haremof no, the two shall be.
That elevates the woman toequality with man, right.
So there's one man and onewoman and they're together for
life.

(50:04):
And so when God said he mademan in his image, and he took
Eve out and brought Eve back,and God said the two shall be
one, and it says God calledtheir name Adam, god's still
calling him Adam.
From God's point of view, thetwo halves are one.
So so we're.
We're individually made inGod's image, but in some

(50:24):
miraculous, mysterious way theunion of a man and a woman is
also in the image of God, andthat's why the devil always
wants to attack marriage, wantsto attack us made in the image
of God, but he also wants toattack marriage.
There's something about thatthat reflects God, and anyway

(50:46):
that's outstanding.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
You know I want to go back to.
This is just really intriguingto me of how obviously I've
always known that Jesusfulfilled and died on the day of
Passover at the same time thatthe high priest was crucifying
that lamb.
Jesus was being crucified notcrucified, but he was killing
the lamb.
And then to have you said, thenwas the next day unleavened

(51:13):
bread, and then the third daywas the first fruits were Jesus'
resurrection.
Now, according to the calendar,dr Bill, nisan 15 was this past
Sunday and so that meanstechnically the day of
unleavened bread was Monday andthen Wednesday would be the

(51:34):
feast of first fruits, correct?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Do I have my math right?
Yeah, there's an enormousamount of study into the three
days and trying to fit in theFriday, saturday, sunday, and
was it actually an extra day inthere?
And so that brings us toConstantine.

(52:00):
So for the first threecenturies of Christianity you
had Jews celebrating Passoverand Christians would ask the
Jews, when is Passover going tobe celebrated this year?
And the Jews would tell theChristians, and that's when the

(52:21):
Christians would celebrate theresurrection.
You know the, the, the, thepassion of Christ, the
crucifixion, the burial and theresurrection.
But we would be asking the Jewsabout it.
Well, uh, constantine, uh,stopped the persecution of Jews
and he made a decision.
He wanted a day to unify theChristian Roman Empire.

(52:45):
A little trivia Julius Caesarconquers Persia, the Holy Land,
egypt, and he wants a date.
He wants to unite the world.
And they were all usingdifferent calendars, many of
them based on the lunar calendar, and even the Roman calendar
was lunar for a while and thebeginning of the year was in

(53:08):
March and we would begin theyear with March and basically
the spring equinox.
And so September is Latin forseven, sept is seven.

(53:29):
Uh, uh, sept is seven.
Act like octagon eight sided.
October was Latin for eight, nowas Latin for nine, and
December decimal is Latin for 10.
And, and, julius Caesar, yougot rid of the lunar calendars,
made it a solar, and then hemoved the beginning of the year
to January 1st and he named theold fifth month, quintilius,

(53:50):
after himself and called it Julyafter Julius Caesar.
The next emperor, augustusCaesar, named the sixth month
after himself and called itAugust Augustus Caesar.
But they wanted those days tohave, uh, 31 days, because
they're they're important.
So they took a day from the oldend of the calendar, february.
So that's why february has 28days and july and august have 30

(54:12):
.
But but here you have emperorswanting to readjust the calendar
to unify the roman emperor.
So now we fast forward to thefourth century, constant time,
and he wants to unify aChristian Roman Empire, and the
most important day is Easter, aresurrection.
And so he decides he wants iton a Sunday.
Well, this means that we got tostop asking the Jews when is

(54:36):
Passover?
This, because Passover could beany day of the week.
It was based on their Hebrewlunar calendar, so it could be
on a Tuesday, it could be on aThursday, it could be any day of
the week.
It was based on their, theirhebrew, lunar calendar, so it
could be on a tuesday, it couldbe on a thursday, it could be
any day of the week, but um, andso this is called the quarto de
simian controversy.
You had the christians thatwanted to stick with the jewish
roots, and now the gentilechristians that were more

(54:57):
political and they're like okay,whatever, you just be happy
that he wants to have a unifiedday for all the Christians to
celebrate, and it really doesn'tmatter what day it is.
And so Constantine came up withthe new formula the Easter
would be the first Sunday afterthe first full moon, after the
spring equinox.

(55:18):
The first Sunday after the firstfull moon after the spring
equinox, and then he said thatanybody that stuck with the old
way is excommunicated.
It's like okay.
And there actually was a groupthat continued to celebrate
Easter, and they were so.
Encyclopedia Britannicaexplained the Quarto de Simeon.
Controversy ended with theswitching of Easter from the

(55:39):
traditional Jewish Passover to aparticular Sunday of the new
formula.
Polycarp, the disciple of StJohn, the Evangelist and Bishop
of Smyrna, visited Rome 159 ADto confer with Ancilius, the
bishop of that see On thesubject.
He earned the tradition, whichhe had received from the
apostles, of observing Easter.
The resurrection on the 14thday of the Jewish month of Nisan

(56:01):
.
A final settlement of thedispute was one among the other
reasons that Constantinesummoned the consul in 325 AD.
The decision of the consul wasunanimous that Easter should be
kept on Sunday, and that thesame Sunday throughout the world
, and that none should hereafterfollow the blindness of the
Jews.
So that was it.
And so now, whenever Easterfalls on the Jewish feasts,

(56:26):
we're like, wow, what acoincidence, those feasts line
up.
But no, they were supposed toline up from the beginning.
And now we're beginning to askourselves was it all that
necessary?
I mean, couldn't you still havea special church service on
Sunday, but keep the Passover tobe lining up with Jesus
fulfilling the Passover.
And so here's what Peter Schaffwrote in History of Christian

(56:48):
Church At Nicaea, the Roman andAlexandrian usage with respect
to Easter triumphed and theJudaizing practices of the
Quarto de Simeons, who alwayscelebrated Easter on the 14th
day of Nisan.
Passover became thenceforth aheresy.
And so this was the beginningof the Gentile church splitting

(57:09):
away from the Jewish churchwhich, again today, we ask
ourselves, was it all thatnecessary?
Couldn't we have just, you know, emphasized that Jesus
fulfilled it and still had aspecial service on Sunday?

Speaker 1 (57:23):
But you know you take a look at that, dr Federer.
But now in this day and houryou see a lot of the Gentiles
trying to link back up with theJews and the Jews back with the
Gentiles.
So we're kind of coming backfull circle.
Now A lot of people are gettinginto celebrating more of the
feast.
There's been more of a kind ofan inquiry of what does all this
stuff mean, and people are.
There's a lot of people thatnow have church services on
Saturday just because they'retrying to observe the Sabbath.

(57:45):
So it's kind of funny how theysplit.
But now we see a lot of peoplecoming back together.
You know I wanted to take sometime here because I know we
could stay there for quite awhile.
You know, I know we could gointo Pentecost and into
Tabernacles.
But I want to do something aswell, because before we go into
the Pentecost piece, you startedoff in 1400 BC all the way to
the day of Pentecost and talkedabout how all of that time God

(58:08):
was making things happen throughPax Romana, the Roman roads,
all those types of things tolead us that the gospel could go
out for the disciples.
And I just think during thistime it'd be great to hear that,
because you know we're cominginto the time where we're
celebratingter resurrectionsunday, and just what god had
set up, so then the gospel couldget out right.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
So jesus rose from the dead and he told his
disciples tarry in jerusalemuntil you be endued with power
from on high.
And so they are there, and 40days later the holy spirit comes
, and they're filled with theHoly Spirit, and then you know,
actually the Pentecost, thatwould be 50 days later, and but

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Jesus ascended 40 days.
So they had the 10 days therewithout Jesus before the Holy
Spirit came.
So when I, you know, in readinghistory, I asked the question
why did Jesus come when he did?
Why didn't he come today?
Why didn't he come?
You know, in reading history, Iasked the question why did
jesus come when he did?
Why didn't he come today?
Why didn't he come, you know,in the 1930s?
Why didn't he come, you know?
And so if you piece together,it's almost like god

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strategically designed the worldfor the rapid spread of a
message.
So let's pick it up.
So in 1400 BC is when Moses andthe Israelites come out of
Egypt.
They get the law that saysyou're going to have these seven
feasts, and three times a yearyou're going to go to the
tabernacle, which would beJerusalem eventually.

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And but then you have 722 BC.
The 10 Northern tribes ofIsrael had sinned and Assyria
came down and took them away andscattered them, and so they're
called the 10 lost tribes.
But now you have pockets ofJews scattered around the world.

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And then, 509 BC, the RomanRepublic is founded.
In 509 BC, the Roman Republicis founded and they, around 312
BC, begin the Appian Way and theRoman road system, which
eventually the phrase all roadslead to Rome, and they now had
this the entire Mediterraneanworld and even to Paris and

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Europe, knit together withRhodes.
And then you have Alexander theGreat, and around 333 BC, he
conquers the whole known world,right from Greece to the Holy
Land, to Egypt, all the way toIndia, and he spreads the Greek
language.
It's called Hellenizing becausea Hell and a Troy, but it's

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spreading the Greek language.
And so now you have pockets ofpeople around the world, you
have a road system that can getall around the world and you
have a common language.
You know, I talk to people whoyou know were, one couple of
weeks ago, a lady.
She grew up in Papua New Guineaand she said her parents spent,

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you know, like 40 yearstranslating some books of the
Bible into a particular languagethere, and so the fact that the
whole world could speak Greek.
It was, like you know.
This was a great benefit tospreading the gospel.
And then, 285 BC, the Egyptianshad the largest library in the

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world in Alexandria, and thehead of it was a guy named
Ptolemy and he wanted to get allthe best books of the Bible and
translate them into Greek andhave them in his library there
in Alexandria, egypt.
And so he got 70 scholars totranslate the entire Old
Testament into Greek.
It's called the Septuagint, andagain, sept means seven or 70.

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So it was 70 scholars.
So now you had pockets of Jewsaround the world, you had a road
system that they could travel,you had a Greek language and now
you got the scriptures, the OldTestament scriptures, in Greek.
And then, 27 BC, you have thePax Romana.
It's a 100-year world peace.
And so, 33 AD, jesus dies,resurrected, the Holy Spirit's

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poured out on the Feast ofPentecost and they hear them all
speaking in their own tongues.
And then what do they do At theend of the week?
They go back to their homes,they travel on those roads and
they meet people along the waythat they can speak to in the
Greek trade language, and thenthey can open up the Greek

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Septuagint and they can showthat these prophecies from
centuries before were fulfilledwith Christ.
And then it spread the gospel.
In one week's time, the gospelof the resurrection of Christ
went from Jerusalem to theentire known world.
And if any one of those thingswere missing, I mean, if there's

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wars, how are you going tospread the gospel, if people are
fighting to the death?
Hey, I want to tell you aboutsomething.
It's like, yeah, not right now.
There was a peace, there wereroads, there was a language,
there were pockets of Jewsalready in these countries
reading the Greek Septuagint andthat you could go to and say,
hey, you've been reading thisfor centuries.
Here we got the news of thefulfillment of it.
God strategically set up theworld for the rapid spread of a

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message before the first comingof Christ.
Up the world for the rapidspread of a message before the
first coming of Christ, and nowwe see it being repeated right.
So after Christ and the churchspread, then you got what Attila
the Hun, and he goes throughand wipes out entire cities
across Europe.
And then you have the Muslims.
They conquered all of ChristianNorth Africa, all of Christian

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Middle East into Turkey.
The Byzantine Empire falls andthey hold back ships of papyrus.
So there's a paper shortage inEurope, and so Europe is now
illiterate and the Bible's inLatin.
But we don't have a printingpress yet.
So every Bible is—Martin Lutherdid not even read the Bible
until after he became a priest.
Right, it was a common thing,and so the world was not spread

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up for the rapid spread of amessage, but one by one the
printing press was invented, youknow.
And then you've got you knowtoday, with you know, telephones
, and I even saw they have anear pod that can hear somebody
speaking in a language and it'lltranslate it into your language
in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Dr Bill, I think we have a picture of that too.
We wanted to bring that upbecause when you mentioned it, I
thought that's outstanding.
Go ahead.
So there's a picture.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah, it's fascinating with AI technology.
And then I was at the NationalRel be watching you on their
screen and they can click abutton and you're teaching in

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arabic, and then they clickanother button you're teaching
in japanese, you're teaching ingerman, you're teaching in
russian, and it's your voice andit's your lips moving and your,
your emotion and your right,but it's and and so with ai
we've literally, and so thewickliffe bible transfer I was
telling you about, they have anai program called draft one, and

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all they need is is the soundsand then the words, so and they
can create an entire writtenlanguage, and and so we, we
literally are facing the firsttime in world history where the
gospel, literally, is this closeto being in every language in
the world.
This gospel shall be preachedto all nations and then the end

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shall come.
We're getting really close, andanyway.
So before Christ's first coming, the world was set up for a
rapid spread of a message, and Ibelieve, before Christ's second
coming, the world is set up forthe rapid spread of a message.
And I believe, before Christ'ssecond coming, the world is set
up for the rapid spread ofmessage.
Why?
Because God wants to give.
Basically, the call is goingout.
Whoever wants to be saved, thisis your last call, right?

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And so I think that God, it'snot his will that any should
perish, but that all should cometo repentance.
Hell was created for the deviland his angels.
It wasn should come torepentance.
Hell was created for the deviland his angels.
It wasn't created for humans.
It was created for the deviland his angels, and the only
humans that you go there are theones that follow the devil and
his angels.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
But we want to bring the gospel of truth and anyway,
and do you believe that's the AIand the technology and all that
?
That's what God is reallyalmost like how the Roman road
was paved and the Septuagint wasdeveloped.
This AI and this technologythat's going out is going to
give us the opportunity to givethat one final push in order to

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see the gospel preached, so thenwe can speed this thing up and
get it out quickly before Christcomes back again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Now, every advancement intechnology is a two edged sword.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
You can print the Bible but they can print
pornography.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, you know, you have these great satellites and
you can.
You can broadcast gospelmessages and they can broadcast,
you know, X-rated stuff and andit's one of these things where
God's the creator and the devilis the perverter.
And you know, the apostle Paulcomes into town and he preaches
and there's a revival.
But give it a couple of yearsand you got the Judaizers coming

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, you got the Greeks who nolonger can sell their little
idols, and they raise up a crowdto stone Paul to death, Right.
So God comes in and does theharvesting, and but it's, it's a
harvest period, a season, andthen you got, you know, the
birds of the air comeimmediately to steal the seeds
that were sown, and it's a racefor time for souls.

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But I think that God is usingus in a powerful way and it's
exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You know, before I let you go your book Believe.
I want you to take a minute.
We talked about this earlierand you kind of gave a whole
rundown for the gospel and youshared some things that I wanted
my wife to hear.
I'm sure she's probably tuningin.
You talked about the wholeprocess of the gospel, how it
started all the way in Adam andEve and how God being sovereign

(01:08:22):
and how he has to judge angelsbut there's a love relationship
between him and man and aboutthe involuntary If we get into
God's presence, we involuntaryact versus a voluntary act that
makes like robot.
I mean, can you take a minutein our last moments here and
kind of talk about that, becauseI also want to push your books.
Ladies and gentlemen, you needto get your hands on Dr Federow.

(01:08:45):
He's published over 30 books,as you can hear.
He is a wealth of knowledge.
He just rattles this stuff off.
He's very well studied.
There's so much information,but I wanted you to take some
time to talk about that that youshared with me earlier, which I
just thought was completelyoutstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, well, this is what I like talking about the
most.
But the big question is why didGod make us in the first place?
I mean, he made everything in2003,.
They focused the powerfulHubble telescope on a spot in
the sky where there was nothing.
Uh, the size was?
It was the size of a grain ofsand held between your fingers
at arm's length, against thenight sky.
Tiny spot, nothing there.

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After 11 days they developed theimages.
In that tiny spot was 10,000galaxies with hundreds of
billions of stars in each galaxy.
It's called the Hubble UltraDeep Space Field you can Google
it right and every dot is agalaxy with hundreds of billions
of stars.
And then they launched thejames webb telescope a few years

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ago and you can see the redshift because it's an infrared
telescope.
And what does this mean?
Light travels in waves, withblue being the fastest and the
shortest wave and red being thelongest wave.
So when you're seeing the redshift, the doppler effect,
you're seeing these galaxiesmoving away from us.
They now estimate theobservable universe is 93

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billion light years across andstill expanding at the speed of
light.
And the largest star they foundis Stevenson 2-18.
It's a super gas giant.
It's so large.
If you were to place Stevenson2-18 in our solar system, it
would engulf the orbit of Saturn, the sixth planet from the sun.
We're the third planet.
Could you imagine one singlestar, that enormous?

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God made it all and he made you.
Why would he make you?
What could you possibly offer abeing that is that powerful?
Nothing, except maybe something.
What's a galaxy?
Anyway?
It's a bunch of rocks hot rocks, cold rocks, molten rocks,
vaporized rocks.

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A rock cannot love you.
So it's almost like at sometime in eternity past.
God said to himself been there,done that.
I can make everything.
I would really like someone inmy image that could love me.
Now it gets interesting, becauselove, by definition, must be
voluntary.
The moment it's forced, itevaporates.

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So in the context of everything, god controls time, matter,
space, energy he intentionallycreated one tiny thing.
He does not control your will.
Now, he could control it if hewanted to, but that would defeat
the very reason he made usdifferent than everything else,
and he doesn't need your love.
He's not incomplete and yourlove somehow completes him.

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He doesn't need your love, buthe wants it.
Parents don't need the love oftheir children, but they want it
, and the more you love somebody, the more you want that
somebody to love you back.
God loves you infinitely.
He has an infinite desire foryou to love him back.
But he'll never force you,because the moment he would

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force you, he himself would knowhe's forcing you and he would
know your response is not a loveresponse.
So he'll never force you.
You know you're made in God'simage.
What's the most important thingin your life?
Well, somewhere near the top ofthe list, it's loving and being
loved.
Well, if we're made in God'simage, could it be that loving

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and being loved is a big deal toGod?
Now, god loves everything hecreated, but the question is
could what he created love himback?
Galaxies can't love.
Rocks can't love.
Electrons can't love animals.
Follow instinct.
If you look up the word angel inthe Bible, it appears 289 times

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.
Not one time is the word loveused to describe an angel's
relationship with God.
They worship God, they praiseGod, they glorify God.
The word angel means messenger.
They deliver God's messages,they deliver God's judgments.
Angels cannot forgive.
God told Moses I'm sending myangel with you into the promised
land and you better obey himbecause he's not going to

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overlook your offenses.
They sang when the stars werecreated, they rejoiced when a
sinner conversed.
Jesus says I'll confess youbefore the angels.
They're heavenly witnesses, butthey're not made in god's image
.
And jesus did not die on thecross for angels.
They were made for a purpose.
What purpose were you made for?
We're not very smart and we'renot powerful.

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Well, a king can have a castlewith really powerful soldiers,
and then he can have children.
Well, guess what?
The word love is used allthroughout the Bible to describe
men and women's relationshipwith God.
Love the Lord, your God, withall your heart, soul, mind and
strength.
Psalms 91,.
Because he said is love upon me, therefore I will deliver him.

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Jesus rose from the dead andsaid Peter, do you love me?
We are beings uniquely createdwith the ability to love God
back.
But for love to be love, itmust be voluntary.
He'll never force us, and I wasthinking about how can God give

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us free will to love him backbut him still be in control of
everything?
Well, god created light.
Light is a photon, which is aperpendicular wave in the
electromagnetic field thattravels at 186,000 miles per
second, and Einstein's theory ofrelativity is the closer you
could travel, approaching thespeed of light for you, time

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would slow down.
And if you could travel thespeed of light, for you time
would slow down.
And if you could travel thespeed of light, for you time
would stand still.
Well, god created light.
He's faster than light.
So for God time stands still.
We'll never comprehend that, butthere is a verse in the Bible
that says a day with the Lord isas a thousand years.
Imagine experiencing one day asif it was a thousand years.

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In other words, we're living inslow motion compared to God.
God exists in the ever-present.
Now I am, that I am, and whenyou're in his presence, you
cannot think about the past, youcannot think about the future,
you can't even think, you justexperience.
I'm in the presence of all thepower and all the love and all
the judgment all at once.

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I mean, it's incomprehensible.
So for God to create our reality, he had to take now and stretch
it out and slow it down, and sowe make our little free will
decisions in time.
But he is outside of time, andso I was trying to think of a
way of explaining it.
You have GPS on your phone.

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You make a wrong turn, itrecalculates.
What if the guy in the car nextto you is making a wrong turn
at the same time and his isrecalculating.
What if everybody in the cityis making wrong turns and it's
all recalculating at the sametime?
What if everybody in the worldis making?
So we make good decisions, wemake bad decisions.
God's outside of time.
He can readjust every electronand every quark and every

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variable in the universe beforehe lets time move forward to the
next nano frame.
So time is moving.
Jesus says I'm the first andlast beginning in the end, alpha
and the omega.
So it's moving, but he'soutside, so he can readjust it.
So we get to make our littlefree will decisions, but we're
moving so incredibly slow.
He can readjust everything elseand we sort of know that God's

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in charge of time, because ifyou're with somebody at some
moment and you say this is not acoincidence, this is a
providence that you and I arehere right now, this is a
God-ordained moment, and youfeel the goosebumps go up and
down your back that God plannedthis moment.
And God, because God's outsideof time.

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God himself, right, father, son, the Holy Ghost can be with
each of us all the time.
Right, the Father, son, theHoly Ghost can be with each of
us all the time.
The Father, son, the HolySpirit in their entirety can be
with each of us all the time,each one of us.
And God has a plan for our lifeand we can yield to it and walk

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in the fullness of it becausewe are his workmanship, created
in Christ Jesus for good works.
But we can fudge and some say,well, I'll produce 30-fold, some
60-fold, some 100-fold.
Or we can harden our heart andsay, god, I'm not going to do it
there.
And he's like fine, I'll usesomebody else, I'm going to get
my will done.
Like Mordecai told Esther ifyou don't let God use you, he'll

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raise up somebody else.
He's going to get his will done.
And then we can repent and say,god, I blew it, give me another
chance.
And guess what?
He can rearrange every electronto give you another chance.
And so we make our free willdecisions in time.
But he's outside of time.

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He can readjust everything.
And then there's so he createsus as free will beings that can
love him back.
He creates time, so we have ourfree will, but he's still in
control.
So the book of Revelation isgoing to take place right the
way he said it is.
It's just how you get theremight be a little different
depending on how we respond tohim, but he controls all the

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variables.
Third, he has to hide himselfbehind his creation because he
is so incredibly awesome.
If he were to appear to you,your response would be
involuntary.
I mean number one he is alllove.
It's easy to love somebody thatloves you.
He's irresistible love.

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You would immediately love himback and he wouldn't know if
it's you loving him or justresponding to the fact that he's
completely irresistible, likewhen you're in heaven and you
see all the glory.
It's going to be easy to loveGod.
It's when you don't feel hispresence and you choose to love
him that that is really love.
To love him, that that isreally love.
Right, when Jesus was with theFather for eternity past and he

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was always with the Father.
And then when he's on the crossand the Father turns his back
on him because he takes the sinof the world upon himself and
Jesus said my God, my God, whyhave you forsaken me?
It's the first time Jesusdidn't.
But Jesus chose to say Father,not my will, but thine be done.
That was Jesus loving theFather back, right.
So it's when there's no fruiton the vine, when the fig tree
doesn't blossom and you chooseto love God even though you feel

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nothing, that's when it'sreally you loving him back and
not just you responding tosomebody that loves you, right,
and so people say, oh, I don'tfeel the love anymore.
Well, if you continue to love,even when you don't feel the
love, that's when it's reallylove, that's when you are really
loving that.
So so why does God have to hidehimself?
So God has to hide himselfbehind his creation again

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because he's so awesome.
Creation Again because he's soawesome.
I mean, here's a being thatcreates a trillion, trillion
sons.
If he appeared to you, yourresponse would be like the
apostle John in the book ofRevelation I fell at his feet is
dead right, if you didn't melt.
It would be an involuntaryresponse, and God's like I can
do involuntary responses alleternity long.
He is completely awesome, hesaid.

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But he said I'm interested inthis voluntary response, this
love response.
So he has to hide himself.
People say, if God's real, whydoesn't he show himself?
Because the moment he showshimself, your free will is gone.
In the presence of all thepower in the universe.
Boom, you'd be down.
And so the same hiding ofhimself that allows us to have

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free will necessitates that wehave faith.
People say I wish I could seeyou know god, I wish I could see
the future.
Well, if you, if you knew thefuture, you wouldn't have to
pray.
Why?
Why seek god and pray?
I know what's going to happen.
No, no, he wants you to seekhim, not the future.
Right and um.
And so I was thinking of whyGod has to hide himself.

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For our response to be a loveresponse, imagine a billionaire
has a son who goes to collegeand he flies in on his private
jet, drives up in hisLamborghini.
He's got a Rolex watch, goldrings, fancy clothes.
He's going to have every girlon campus wanting to meet him.
But if he lays that aside anddrives up in a clunker and he's
got holes in his jeans, all theuppity girls are going to meet
him.
But if he lays that aside anddrives up in a clunker and he's
got holes in his jeans, all theuppity girls are going to ignore

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him.
But then there's a girl thatlikes to study with him in the
library and they eat together inthe cafeteria and they become
friends and she takes heat fromthe click for hanging around
this nobody guy.
But she believes in him.
They fall in love, they getengaged and then one day he says
I want to take you back to meetmy dad and they're driving up

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to this castle mansion, thestate and the girls like whoa,
you didn't tell me about allthis.
He knows that she loves him,for him, not because of all of
his stuff.
If Jesus would have come in hisglory, every political ladder
climber would try to oh, I'myour friend, I'm your friend.
If Jesus would have come in hisglory, every political ladder
climber would try to oh, I'myour friend, I'm your friend.
No, he's born in a manger.
He only wants those that lovehim for him, and so God creates

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us as free will beings that canlove him back.
He creates time, so we have ourfree will, but he's still in
control.
He hides himself so that wehave an opportunity to use our
free will.
But there's one last thing he'sjust and he can't help it.
He's just, which means he hasto judge every sin.
In mathematical equationsthere's constants and variables.

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In the equation of redemption,the constant is God is just, was
is and forever will be just.
That will never change.
The variable is who takes thejudgment, you or a substitute.
And so God is just.
He has to judge every sinbecause if he does not judge a
sin by default, his silencewould be giving consent to the

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sin.
It's called the rule of tacitadmission, t-a-c-i-t, and it's
in a wedding ceremony, rightPastor says anyone against this
wedding?
Speak now or forever, hold yourpeace.
If you're holding your peaceand being silent, you're
actually giving consent to thewedding.
If there are sins and God issilent and not judging the sin
by default, his silence would begiving consent to the sin.

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And if God gives consent to onesin one time, because he exists
outside of time, he would bedenying himself for all time and
he cannot deny himself.
So he could never be loved backso he could create free will
beings that could love him,creates time, he's still in
control, hides himself, but ifwe step out of line one time, he

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has to judge us.
Because if he doesn't judge oursin, he's still in control,
hides himself, but if we stepout of line one time, he has to
judge us.
Because if he doesn't judge oursin, he's giving consent to our
sin and he's denying his justnature.
And he cannot deny his justnature.
So he could never be loved backuntil he came up with a plan.
He actually had the plan beforehe created the first electron,
and the plan was his own sonwould become a man, and only as

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a man could God die on a crossto pay for our sins.
Charles Wesley wrote the hymnAmazing love, how could it be
that thou, my God, should diefor me?
So God is just in that hejudges every sin, but he's
loving that he provided the lambto take the judgment for the
sin.
So Abraham and Isaac going tothe top of Mount Moriah.

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And Isaac says, father, we havethe wood for the sacrifice, we
have the coals for the sacrifice, but where's the sacrifice?
And Abraham says, son, god willprovide himself a sacrifice.
And it has a double meaning.
I'm trusting God will have theram up in the bush, but the
other meaning is God willprovide himself as the sacrifice
.
And that's what happened.

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Jesus, the second person of theTrinity, the only begotten son
of God, in the plan ofredemption that was hidden from
ages.
It was a hidden plan, it says.
If the princes of this worldhad known, they never would have
crucified the Lord of glory.
The apostle Paul called it themystery of the gospel, hidden

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from the foundations of theworld, now revealed in us as
saints.
In this hidden plan, jesus, theSon of God, became man, became
the Lamb and he took the wrathof a just God upon himself, on
the cross in our place.
You know, I read the book ofRevelation a thousand times,
listened to it on my iPhone athousand times, still trying to
figure it out.
But one thing seems clear it'sGod that is pouring out the

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vials of judgment in the book ofRevelation.
Right, lamb breaks the seal,angel throws the censer.
It's like.
Why is that?
Well, god's a just God.
He has to judge every sin thathe may not have judged along the
way.
So you can't get 10,000 yearsinto eternity and have someone
say, god, there was a sin wayback when and you didn't judge
it and you were silent.
Were you giving consent to thesin?

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Is there a part of you that'sunjust we didn't know about?
Uh-uh, it says the smoke oftheir torment rises forever and
ever and the angels cry outrighteous and true are your
judgments, o Lord.
Nobody's going to question forthe rest of eternity that God
judged sin.
But that's the final judgment.
He won't do any more, judgingfor the rest of eternity.
But in that sense Jesus had theequivalent of the book of

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Revelation judgment poured outon his head.
Jesus took the judgment forevery sin that everybody would
ever do upon himself on thecross.
He experienced it as if it wasa thousand years.
That's why he was sweatingdrops of blood.
You know I have a degree inaccounting, so I like things
that balance.
You take an eternal being,jesus, who is innocent,

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suffering for a finite, limitedperiod of time.
It's equal to all of us finite,limited beings who are guilty,
suffering for an eternal periodof time.
It's equal to all of us finite,limited beings who are guilty,
suffering for an eternal periodof time.
Let me say that again Aneternal being that's innocent,
suffering for a finite period oftime, is equal to all of us
finite beings who are guilty,suffering for an eternal period
of time.
Infinity times finite equalsfinite times.

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Infinity.
An unlimited being sufferingfor a limited period of time is
equal to all of us limitedbeings suffering for an
unlimited period of time.
Jesus suffered the equivalent ofeternal damnation in all of our
places.
He's the only one who couldhave done it, and out of love
for the Father and out of lovefor you and me.
He became the Lamb.

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He took the wrath of a just Godupon himself.
It says in Isaiah 53, itpleased the Lord to crush him.
The word Gethsemane means olivepress.
And then he rose from the deadto prove he was who he said he
was.
The lamb is God's way to loveyou without having to judge you.
It's his way, in a sense, ofgetting around his own just

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nature so he can maintain thathe is a just God, was, is and
forever will be just.
But he's a loving God and thathe provided the lamb to take the
judgment.
The lamb slain from thefoundations of the world.
Then he fills us with the HolySpirit, the third person of the
Trinity.
And the Holy Spirit comes onthe inside of us and reaches out
through us to share the love ofGod with a hurting world.

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So people are drawn to you, butthey're not drawn to you,
they're drawn to the Holy Spiritinside of you that's pointing
them to Christ, that throughChrist they can be accepted by
God.
Right that all the judgmentthat we deserve was on Christ.
He's the door, he's the way.
So the God who created timearranged for you and those that

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are viewing for you to beviewing right now.
God arranged all the time andwhatever decisions you made to
not doing something else.
You wanted to watch.
He arranged for you to bewatching right now so that you
could hear of his infinite lovefor you and how he infinitely
desires you to love him back.
But he'll never force you,because the moment he would

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force you, he himself would knowhe's forcing you and he'd know
your response is not a loveresponse.
So he'll never force you.
But he wants your love and hemade a way that it's not based
on you being good enough.
It's based on you approachinghim through the lamb that he
provided so the lamb.
So God can love you for therest of eternity and you can

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love him back for the rest ofeternity and not have to worry
about being judged by him,because all the judgment you
deserve went on Jesus and youare in Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Wow, dr Bill, I mean, ladies and gentlemen, we're
going a little bit longer, but Iam so mesmerized.
I mean I wish I had time tobreak down every little thing.
But my goodness, when youtalked about the analogy of the
boy that goes to school withtheir ratted up jeans even

(01:29:27):
though I kind of think aboutthat nowadays the ripped up
jeans, people pay for those, butI knew where you're going with
that with jeans and then keepshimself hidden, I mean, you know
, and the funny thing about likeyou talk about the mystery of
the gospel and how it's reallytrue, because that's why, even
when Jesus was there with Peter,he automatically became what he
saw in Christ.
Because when Peter was there,jesus said who do men say that I

(01:29:50):
am?
And so he rattled off a bunchof different things.
Who do you say them?
He said thou art the Christ,son of the living God.
And he said now I tell you,flesh and blood has not revealed
the son to you, but my father,which is in heaven.
He said now, because you haveseen my identity, you see yours.
So the moment we see therevelation of Jesus Christ and
who we are in him, we becomejust like him.
So if God was to give useverything, then automatically

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we would conform to his imageand light, which is why Jesus
came speaking saying the fatherseeketh one that worshipeth him
in spirit and in truth.
And so that is the reason whywe have to go through these
trials and tribulations.
We have to seek after and wehave to live by faith, because
he's proving if we are trueworshipers or not.
I mean, I could go on and on,dr bill.

(01:30:34):
I mean, this is outstandingstuff that you're talking about.
All of this is in your book,believe, am I right?
yeah yes, wow, I mean this isjust really, really good, but
we're bringing it up on thescreen right there to make sure
that people can get that and geta hold.
As a matter of fact, they canget your book at
AmericanMinutecom all your books, correct?

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Right, right, you know, in electricity you have
the two nodes and then it sparksacross and it can get closer
and closer, but they'll nevertouch, and so that the arc is
faith.
Without faith is impossible toplease God.
So people say, well, I gottahave it be absolutely proven to

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me beyond a shadow of a doubt,It'll never get there because
you wouldn't take faith.
So so, God, there always has tobe that, that leap of faith.
You can get it real close,right, and and, and you can see
the evidence.
But there's always has to bethat leap of faith.
You can get it real close,right, and you can see the
evidence.
But there's always going to bethat element of faith, because
without faith it's impossible toplease.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
That's the arc, and that's the place where we come
into, where he begins to revealhimself to us as well.
Oh, my goodness, I could go onand on with this.
Real quick.
My wife sent me a text.
She wants to know what is yourmethod for memorization how do
you get to where you are?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
it's just repetition.
I just talk about stuff overand over again and but, um, you
know, I, you, you remember whatyou, what you like but still,
though, I mean, you rattle offstuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
I mean, I was the dates from 1400 and 722, twenty
two BC, five, oh, nine, three,thirty three, and I'm like man,
we were talking earlier, ladiesand gentlemen, before we even
came on the air, about our no,actually, I think we're on there
, we've been talking for a lotthroughout the day, or whatever.
You are mentioning all thedifferent presidents in the days
, in the years, and I'm like, ohgoodness, this is outstanding.

(01:32:20):
But you know, dr Federer, thishas just been outstanding.
I want to thank you for justtaking time out of your schedule
to come be with me here onDimensions and to share so much.
I mean, I've got a page full ofjust notes of different things
that it just has just beenoutstanding and probably haven't
even touched the tip of theiceberg of all the revelational

(01:32:42):
knowledge that you have Is there.
Is there anything else that youwant to leave us with before I
let you go?

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
No, just you and Tiffany are doing an absolute
tremendous work for the Lord.
I'm so proud of you and I justwant to encourage everybody
that's viewing that Pleasefollow, you know, pastor Jay,
anthony, gilbert and Tiffany,and and drink up the living
water that flows through themand draw closer to the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Amen.
Well, dr Bill I've alreadymentioned this, we've talked
about it, ladies and gentlemen,he's going to be coming into
Pittsburgh sometime, I'm notsure exactly when, but I've
already got him.
Lord willing, we're going toget him here and do some more
stuff with him, because there'sjust so much that he has within
him, and I got to go back andlisten to this.
I mean, we're over an hour anda half into this and, my

(01:33:28):
goodness, I'm trying to remembereverything that you shared, dr
Bill.
But thank you so much, and mayGod bless you, your family and
we'll look forward to catchingup with you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
All right, same here.
God bless you and everybodythat's viewing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Amen.
Ladies and gentlemen, I tellyou what Dr Bill Federer is such
a gift to the body of Christ.
As you can see, he's one of thepeople very few people do I
talk to that when I'm done myhead hurts.
He's one of them, guys thatyour head hurts when you're done
because you're trying to fathomeverything that he just dropped

(01:34:02):
into us, and I want toencourage you to take a minute
to like, subscribe, follow andthen to share this.
There's so much in it that hetalked about, I mean even how
the gospel.
I mean there is a ton of stuffthat you can go back through and
listen, and I'm going to takesome time to listen to it as
well and just allow this to getinto.
Everything that we talked aboutfor the most part is all
wrapped around the holy week,what christ did and why the

(01:34:23):
gospel needs to go out, why godhides himself, and I I mean it's
just outstanding, I mean.
So I hope that you have beenblessed by this and, uh, a big
shout out again to dr billfederer.
Go to his web page,americanminutecom, support him,
uh, keep him lifted up in prayer.
So into his ministry, let himknow that you appreciate, buy up

(01:34:43):
his books, read it.
He is a wonderful, wonderfulman of God, a man of integrity,
and just so appreciate him.
He sought out after all over.
I mean, I couldn't even readthrough all of the accolades
that he has accomplished.
And so, ladies and gentlemen,thank you so much for your time,
thank you for hanging out withus here on Dimensions.

(01:35:05):
I hope that you have beenblessed.
Go back and listen to it again,study it, get it into your
spirit, and we'll be back verysoon.
Obviously, we'll be back nextweek.
Throughout the week, differenttimes.
I might be back again tomorrow.
I might be back again tomorrow.
That's why I need you to like,subscribe, follow, share,
because certain things areplanned, there's other things
that we won't get to until weknow that they pop up current

(01:35:28):
events and different things thatare happening.
And so God bless you all andwe'll look forward to seeing you
here next time on Dimensions.
Thank you, thank you.

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