Breaking Generational Chains: A Conversation on Spiritual Freedom and Healing with Special Guest Dr. Connie Brooks

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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And I have my lovely wifealongside with me as well.
I'm Jay Anthony Gilbert, mywife Tiffany.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Nice, all right.
Well, it's good to be here withyou Good to be here.
I just want to know why don'tyou show your moves with?

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everybody.

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You know, I was feeling that.

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You do it before the camera comes on, but you never
share.

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Brad, can you?

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play something, cause I want everybody else you can't
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Brad's our producer.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But yeah, it's good to be here.
The rain I don't know ifanybody's has been experiencing
this right now.
I think it's sunny, but it'sbeen going in and out and it's
crazy, but it looks like.
I always say it looks likebecause you never know.
It looks like we're going tohave some sun, some good weather
, yeah, but that changes.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It does from one moment to the next.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
But I love the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Me too.
Me too, I love it as well.
And listen, we've got a greatshow for you guys today.
It's going to be an awesometime.
Our very own Dr Connie Brooksis here with us, and you know
we're so excited because we'regoing to be talking.
I will when she comes on, butyou got to wait for that.
You know I'm just teasing theepisode.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Pastor Connie, I'm just trying to give you that up
for us.
We're just teasing the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Tell her to slow down .
Pastor Tim, Slow down, we'regoing to get there.
We're going to get there.
But I'm real excited becausewe're gonna talk about healing
and deliverance and it's a lostart in the body of Christ.
This is part two.
We had her on back in March Ibelieve it was a while ago and
she did a part one and did agreat job, and she's going to be
doing a phenomenal seminar atour church tomorrow, June 20th

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and 21st, Friday night at 7 pmand then on Saturday, the 21st,
at from 10 am to 2 pm, and it isjust going to be phenomenal.
So we thought it would be greatfor her to come on today and to
be able to share with us alittle bit of what's going to be
coming up and what's going tobe happening and kind of go from
there.
So it's going to be really good.
I'm really excited for theladies.

(02:41):
That man, I'm sorry we can't go.
It's a woman's thing only Nowyou can go if you volunteer.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Maybe you'll get your freedom there when you
volunteer.
But yeah, we are really excited.
All the women, they all havetheir expectors up.
They're expecting God to dosomething extraordinary.
They're expecting healing,they're expecting deliverance.
And you know, it's interesting.
I was sharing with Dr Connieand some of the other ladies
that it's so interesting how wecan love God, we can be in the

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word of God, we can worship,praise God, we really.
You know we will end up makingheaven our home, but we can live
on earth in bondage and bound.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, you know one of the scriptures that always
comes to my mind when you saythat is.
There's a scripture that saysthat Jesus said to those Jews
who believed on him if youcontinue my word, then are you
my disciples, and you shall knowthe truth, and the truth will
make you free.
So he's talking to believers,and he's saying that there still
can be a level of bondage inyour life, even though you might
be a believer.
They believed on him, but theywere saying but you know it's

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funny.
In that passage, though, too,there's freedom, and he says if
you continue my word, you'llbecome my disciple.
I believe a lot of people needdeliverance because they're
lacking discipleship, and we'regoing to get into that in just a
little bit.
But you know it's importantDeliverance and discipleship.
You've got to have both ofthose.
Some people get into bondagebecause they weren't discipled,

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and then some people getdelivered and can go back into
bonds because they weren'tdiscipled.
As a matter of fact, I thinkit's a lost art in the body of
Christ that we need to bediscipleship driven people.
Jesus spent three and a halfyears before they ever got total
power.
We're filled with the Holyghost.
On the day of Pentecost, hespent three and a half years
imparting to them kingdom.

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So then, therefore, they didnot have power without having
knowledge and understanding asto why they've been authorized.
There's a responsibilitybecause of that.
So Jesus took three and a halfyears every day pouring into
disciples, and then he gave thempower and, I think,
discipleship.
Jesus spent his whole earthlyministry simply teaching them

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the kingdom that they were aboutto be empowered to walk in.
So, listen, you need to be inchurch.
You need to be in a churchwhere you're getting discipled.
You need to be in a churchwhere you can get delivered and
discipled all in one.
It's very, very important.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's right, you know, and I think about what the
Lord did on that cross he diedso that we could be free, so
that we could take advantage ofthat, so you don't want to miss
out.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Like.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Pastor Jay said it's Friday, tomorrow night 7 pm.
Saturday, from 10 am to 2 pm.
It's going to be great.
And listen, if you're justlistening to this and you're
thinking, oh my goodness, I wantto go.
Is it too late?
No, it too late, no not too lateMake sure that you register,
though, so we're going to put uphow you can register right
there, there, it is right there,you can register online and if

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it's, maybe, if it's not you,maybe, if it's somebody else
that you know that needs aphysical healing, that needs an
emotional healing, that may needdeliverance, make sure you let
them know, doesn't matter whatchurch, what denomination, tell
them to come out, because Ibelieve the Lord is already
stirring that atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I hear the chains falling, without a doubt.
I believe the chains are goingto be falling off of people and
you need to get it.
Listen, every ministry won'tallow deliverance to happen.
I am so glad God connected uswith Dr Connie because she is
one that walks in that greatlyand you know what.

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Every person needs to have thattype of ministry in their
church, so that's why we'rebringing it to another level.
I think we said that during thelast time we were going to end
up doing this, when we had heron.
We said we're going to makesure we do this, and so, as
promised, we're going to bedoing it.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
And you know it's interesting we were talking
about before.
It's our first event in our newbuilding.
It's our first event and PastorConnie is our first speaker.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, so it's going to be really good.
So are we ready to?
bring her on Ladies andgentlemen, you know it is our
pleasure to welcome a friend ofours, and I say that with.
We are just at lunch withsomebody today and we are
talking about how we don't haveany friends and when I say

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friends I'm like, oh, that's myfriend, but they're really like
an acquaintance.
But she is truly a friend.
She has been somebody that haslived a life of integrity.
I share this story.
Every time that it was supposedto be Dr Mark Sharona that was
supposed to come to Cornerstonetelevision to do a telethon and
Pastor Gary Mitrick said, hey,dr Connie Brooks.

(07:18):
I was like, who's Dr ConnieBrooks?
Well, let me tell you I toldeverybody this every time she
speaks is that if you don't know, by the time that she's done
you're going to understand whoshe is.
She's a force to be reckonedwith.
She pastors a great churchcalled Jubilee International
Ministries out there in the eastof Pittsburgh, I mean in Plum,
pennsylvania.
You know it's just anoutstanding ministry.

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I have we have both been hadthe opportunity to be there, to
minister there, and I tell youwhat that church makes preaching
easy.
When you go there you canpreach and you know what.
We've had her in our ministry.
We're excited to have her back.
She's been a guest onDimensions before and she
travels all around the world.
She's not one of those peoplethat it's Jubilee International
Ministries but ain't goingnowhere.

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She just got back from Englanddoing conferences and seminars
and they want her to come backto do what we're getting ready
to do in another level thisweekend.
So, ladies and gentlemen, withno further ado, let's welcome Dr
Connie Brooks to the Dimensionbroadcast.
There's the applause pastor tipwas looking for applause.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I see that good evening like guys.
Good to have you guys with metonight hanging out with me I
know we're so honored.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
We have so much fun with dr we do and listen.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
So those y'all that don't know now some of y'all
ain't going to get in on this mygoodness, their family can cook
.
I mean, listen, I wasn't.
I share this.
There's another story of how Igot to know Dr Connie.
She had me over and it's thefirst time I had been over to
their house.
And I'll have to be honest, drConnie, we're friends, you know.
People invite you over.
You get scared, you know,scared.

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You don't know what they'regoing to put in front of you.
And I tell you what they madethese chicken thighs.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
And they were chicken thighs.
I feel like you have to be areally good cook, you do.
To make chicken thighs tastegood.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Those can be scary.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Oh my God, you all are funny.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Everything they cook they throw down.
So now we have this littlething whenever I go to her
church, most of the time that,if her schedule, my schedule
permits that, we end up goingover there for dinner.
And I told her.
I said, listen, we don't neednothing else, just feed us.
It's worth it.
So, dr Connie, we love you andwe saw even your son is now
taking on that spirit.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
He comes looking for barbecue meatballs.
Pastor Connie, where's thebarbecue meatballs?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
But know, but you know what you supply them.
So the more that you supplythem, the more that they're
asking for it, so they know whenthey see you, we want some
barbecue meatballs.
We got to get some barbecuemeatballs.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, that's just family.
That's what it is it is that'sright.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, before we get into all the heavy stuff you
want to, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
So, Dr Conner, we couldn't do this with you before
.
We didn't have the segment wedidn't have the segment, but now
we have a new segment calledWould you Rather, would you be
willing to participate in thiswith us?
Ok, all right.
All right, let's go.

(10:21):
Let's go Now.
Did you hear her response?
Oh, it seemed like a littlehesitant.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh yeah.
I was wondering what you wereup to Well, let me tell you,
it'll be as fun as some chickenthighs.
I wasn't sure what y'all was upto either, but it changed my
life.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So it'll be good.
It'll be good.
So, pastor Connie, would yourather be known for being
generous or humble?
Humility, okay Now, whyhumility?
That was pretty quick, you kindof knew.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I just believe what the Bible says we are to be
humble.
I give anyway.
That's easy for me to do, but Ireally believe we have to work
and make.
Especially when you work in thegifts, people can want to
elevate you and you have toalways remember they're not your
gifts.
Come on back down.

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Many times when I go places andI begin to flow in the gifts
and the prophetic and thehealing and people want to take
you a certain place and you haveto remember yourself, connie,
that's not you, that's Godworking through you.
So I really believe I work.
I rather work on my humility.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's good because you're right.
You know, when people have itto give, it's easy to give,
especially when people treat youright.
Yeah you'll just give.
But when you're caught in asituation where you have to be
humble, that is tough.
That is tough to do.
What would you do?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, you know to your point also, dr Connie,
before I answer that youmentioned something really good
about how people try to take yousomeplace.
It kind of reminds me of howJesus they always tried to make
him king.
He understood where he neededto be at that time.
Now he's coming back to be king, but it's funny though, it
wasn't man that's going toelevate him.
God, the father, is going tosend him to do that.
So I think I'm going to sidewith Dr Connie, and it's most of

(12:13):
the time.
Dr Connie, I usually go theopposite of somebody for
whatever reason, but this onehere I would agree with you, I
think.
If you're humble I don't knowif maybe you can, I'd have to
think about a little more buthow are you humble and not
generous?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, because when you are humble you tend to want
to give.
You want to support, yeah, Ithink.
But I think the humility wouldbe first, and then it'll lead
right into the generosity thatyou'll have, because of who you
are, you know.
But you will see, even when youall come to England with me and
I know you all are going tocome when you see how the people
admire the gifts that you carry.

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We go to Africa, certain places, they just don't want you to
stop preaching, they don't wantyou to stop prophesying, they
don't want you to stop laying onof hands.
They just they'll stay forhours.
Church is over and you can't,they won't go.
You have to remind yourself.
You know you've got to let themgo.
Don't let them lean on you.
It's not you, it's God that'sworking through you.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm just going to put this in there, insert this
question.
I'm just curious because yousaid something that they'll stay
for hours.
Why is that there, when hereyou know, a lot of times people
want to get home and it's noteverybody, but a lot of times
people want to get home for theSteelers game.
I think it's the?

Speaker 3 (13:23):
gifts.
I think it's the gifts.
I think when you go you'll seewhat I'm saying.
I remember I was preaching inLondon and the men stood at the
altar.
When you think I'm a womanpreaching and at the altar all
these men, they didn't sit forthe whole service.
They stood there, they wantedto be there, they wanted to
touch the anointing, they wantedto be right in what God was

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doing.
They were so excited about themove of God.
And then you know you'repraying for people that are
slain I mean hundreds of peoplejust slain.
And you have to remind yourself.
You know, connie, that's notyou.
The Holy Spirit is workingthrough you.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Do you think it's because they're so hungry and
they're desperate to see God sothey place a demand on the
anointing?

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I think our people are just spoiled.
I think I think we're spoiled.
I think they have the word allthe time, they have the gifts
around and I, you know it comesfrom the spirit of familiarity,
I'm familiar with you, that'sjust Pastor Jay.
And they don't realize anotherworld, another nation would just
, you know, he couldn't hardlywalk the street because of the
anointing that he carries, butin America it's like, oh, you

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know what it is.
But I really believe in myheart is that the people, they
are desperate.
They're looking for more, moreof God, because they're not
seeing it on a day-to-day basislike that.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Amen, that's so good.
Wow, I wish we could just staythere, but I know we can't right
now.
Okay, so second question whatis the different or, sorry,
wrong one Would you rather have?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
the gift of prophecy or the gift of tongues, ah, hmm,
that's a good one.
I believe they tie into eachother.
I will say the um, the gift oftongues, because I think they go
right into the gift of theprophetic.
When you speak in tonguesgenerally, you walk into the
interpretation of the tongues.
So I believe I would be like towalk in the gift of tongues and
then watch God reveal it.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Wow, that's right.
So yeah, I uh man that's atough one.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah I, I don't know you feel so well in the
prophetic easy that's automaticyeah but it's.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
it's very unique to be able to when you pray.
You know the difference, drConnie, I know you know this as
well.
There are times when you'repraying in your tongue that
God's given you for personaledification, but then you feel a
switch in the spirit when youpray in a tongue where the gift
of interpretation is needed andwhen you flow in.
That I mean it's amazing to seehow you'll start praying,

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praying.
All of a sudden it'll hit youand I'll know.
I'll be like, ooh, something'scoming after this one.
And then all of a sudden,whether it's myself or somebody
else, you know you get thatinterpretation and God will just
.
Sometimes we've seen that Godwill shift our services after
something like that.
So that's a tough one, man.
I'm trying to figure out whichone would I rather pick.
I think I'd probably take theprophecy one, because that's
what I'm familiar with, but Iwould miss the gift of time.

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I could never flow in thatagain, okay.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Well, that's all right.
Last one Would you rather beknown for being forgiving, which
is sometimes so hard, orpatient, which is sometimes so
hard?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's another tough one.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, that really is, because Iteach a lot of forgiveness
because of theotherapy anddeliverance.
How powerful.
I always say to God I'm sograteful for the gift of
forgiveness because it's such apowerful gift when you're able
to forgive 70 times seven.
So that's, I think I'm going togo with forgiveness.

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I want to be known as someonewho takes people off the hook
quickly and not walk around andhold them hostage for days, and
I don't want that.
I don't want to be known forthat.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
That's good.
Well, you know, I feel the sameway.
You know, when you forgive,there's freedom in forgiveness.
You know what I mean.
Where you think you're holdingthem, you're actually holding
yourself, and I think, pastor,marriage taught me the power of
forgiveness.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
That was my greatest teaching tool was my marriage
and how to be able to forgive,and forgive quickly, because
when the Bible says you bringtwo people together and they
become one, it doesn't tell youof all of the things you have to
go through and break through toget to that place.
You know, forgiveness is my.
I think that's my greatest tool.
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
You know I, you know it's funny.
I first I was going to say isthat kind of like question one?
But I don't think it is.
I'm a pretty forgiving guy butI can't continue not to be
patient, so I don't know whichone that is yeah, right, right
right uh, but I mean honestly, Iuh, I thought about that

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because I thought, well, ifyou're patient, you're kind of,
but no, that's two differentthings, yeah, you know that's
too now, long suffering.
It's a little bit different thaneven just patience in itself.
So I mean, I man, yeah, I thinkfor me I would take patience,
because I'm not good at that,you know.
But I.
I have a very forgiving heart,Like I have you.

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It's because a lot of timesI'll let people in probably
quicker than I should and I'lljust bring them right in and
she'll be like what?
Are you doing man, that boy,that brother, that sister is
crazy.
Yes, yes, like that.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So, but, then the patience part.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Oh man, yeah we help each other with that.
I think there's a balance withthat without a doubt where.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I'm like no, don't trust them.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
And then I'll tell you open up your heart.
You know we need to let them inand just be in such a lowly
spirit.
Which one is which?
So I probably take thepatient's one, because that's
not my number.
One thing.
So that's good Staffing, myweakness All right.
Well, that was fun.
Thanks for being a good sport.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Ladies and gentlemen, while we're transitioning,
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Take a moment right now, getthis out, because we're about to
get into the crux of what wewant to get into.
So I'm going to let you take it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's right.
So let's get into it.
Pastor Connie, on this eve ofthe healing and deliverance
seminar and there's again, likeI said before, there's so many
women that are.
I mean, they are ready and theyare expecting something.
Now would you kind of justdifferentiate, make the
difference between healing whensomebody needs healing versus

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when somebody needs deliverance?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Right?
Well, healing and deliveranceis so different.
Like tomorrow, I'm dealing withtheotherapy, which talks about
inner healing, and withtheotherapy it's a tool.
I give them tools to use towork on their heart, work on the
emotions.
When you talk about deliverance, you can't heal a demon.
You can't.
You know you don't heal a demon, you cast out a demon.
If you study the works of Jesus, you don't see him laying hands

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on a demon.
He's always casting it out.
So there's a very bigdifference between healing and
deliverance.
The Bible says in Jeremiah 17,the heart is deceitful and,
above all things, wicked.
I don't think we realize howdeceitful our hearts can be.
You just think about somebodythat you've really loved a year,
five years ago they were youreverything, they were your boo,

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and five years later you don'teven want to be in the same room
with them.
The same heart, that same heartcan transition from I love you
that much to I hate you thatmuch.
And what happens if we don'tdeal with the heart?
The heart becomes toxic andit's not able to handle and flow
through the things that Godwants to flow through it.
So there's a big differencebetween inner healing and

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deliverance, because deliverancereally deals with strongholds,
demonic activity, familiarspirits, things that run in the
bloodline.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
You know Dr Conner, real quick.
I want you to go back tosomething.
I don't even know if I know theexact answer to this, so I'm
asking it out of curiosity.
Uh, you said jesus didn't layhands on people.
He cast it out.
In your expertise, do you notlay hands on people when you're
casting out devils?

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Is it always that you justdirectly speak to them?
And is that what jesus alwaysdid, or did he ever lay hands?
Because I'm not quite sure well, what?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
when you look at him, um, he talks about.
When he talks about the demonicforces and the demons in the
tombs and different things.
You see, he would just call itout, he'll cast it out.
You know, when you see, likethe woman with the issue of
blood, she touched him, therewas a touch there.
But when you're talking aboutall the demonic forces you don't
see that a lot of times, and Itell people a lot of times, when

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you're dealing with demonicforces, they don't want to come
near you anyway.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
They try to tend to back up or they tend to growl or
they tend to make soundsbecause they don't want you to
be bothered with them.
But when you're dealing withstrongholds, such as something
that I have, I have what iscalled a family tree and I give
them to the people and say lookin your family, I want you to
look to see how many people inyour family have had an abortion
, how many people in your familyhave had suicidal tendencies or

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different things.
If it's been in your mother,your father, different people in
the family then there's astronghold in your family
because it's running in morethan one part of the family,
becomes a familiar spirit, andso we've got to look and see
what is that?
What is that?
Something that needs to be castout, something that needs to be
broken.
That's what we're looking forwhen we're dealing with

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deliverance, when we're dealingnow with the heart and the inner
healing.
Many times we're looking at aheart that's toxic.
I can be in a relationship andthat relationship broke my heart
.
I have a picture that I show.
I hope I can show you all whatI'm doing.
This is a picture that I showin one of my classes.
This is what a woman who's beenpromiscuous looks like.
Of my classes, this is.
This is what a woman who's beenpromiscuous looks like.
These are all the relationshipsthat can still reside in the

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heart of someone who has, whohas been with different
relationships.
They're coming from the world.
They've been with four, fourmen in a month, five men in a
month and all, all of theirbodily fluids are still in that
person.
If they've been intimate withthat person, they have left.
If we're fluids, we're humanbeings, but the fluid in that
person, if they've been intimatewith that person, they have
left there.
We're fluids, we're humanbeings, but the fluid of that

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person is left in that person.
And many times you find peoplehave a lot of illnesses because
they're carrying around so manydifferent.
That's why we have so manysexual diseases, because it's
left in the body.
So if that's left in the body,what about the spirit of the man
?
What about that water, thatcell?
And it's left there.
So that's one of the things wetalk about is what is left in

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you that leaves you toxic, thatleaves you angry, that leaves
you bitter, that leaves youbetrayed.
These things are all in there.
How do I deal with that andgetting that out of my heart?
That's what we deal with a lotin the inner healing.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You know I was thinking when you're talking
about how people that have beenpromiscuous whether one or a
thousand doesn't matter whothey've been with is when you're
talking.
You know people talk about soulties.
Is soul ties is that?
Would you look at that as ademonic type thing or is that
kind of like an inner healingthing?
Soul?

Speaker 3 (24:24):
ties is not demonic.
It's not.
It is not demonic but it's.
We've got to be very, verycareful with it because it does
a lot of damage.
Strongholds are there.
I remember Bishop TudorBismarck.
We were in a session withBishop Tudor.
He was teaching us ondeliverance at the time and he
was saying about a couple whowas married and the man was

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involved with a woman and he hadbeen with a woman and one day I
think they were at thesupermarket or something and the
woman came and got him and hewalked away from his wife and
never looked back because of thesoul ties connected with her.
She used witchcraft and stuffto draw him away from his
marriage because she had a tiewith him.
He had cut covenant it wasn'tcovenant but a contract really

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because he had been with her.
So he gave her legal right tocome get him.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
So is that more of a.
Would that be an inner healingpiece, then?
Soul ties legal right to comeget him.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
So is that more of a?
Would that be an inner healingpiece, then?
Sometimes the inner healingsometimes it goes into
deliverance Depends on howstrong the holy, because
sometimes they go as far aswitchcraft to keep that person.
Yeah, you know, sometimes it'sjust a heart, it's a betrayal.
It all depends on what everycase is different.
When I handle that, it's soimportant for us to understand.
Theotherapy really helps us totake a good look at the heart.

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What condition is my heart in?
After I've been through adivorce, after I've been through
a breakup, after I feelrejected, after I felt all of
these things, what am I feeling?
It really helps me clean myheart, because the Bible says
out of the abundance of theheart, the mouth speaks.
If my heart is toxic, you everbeen around someone?
They're gorgeous, but when theyopen their mouth you realize

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they're angry, they're bitter,it's just flowing because that's
what's in there.
And although they're dressed upthe outside, the heart never
got cleaned.
And so and the Bible says theheart is deceitful the heart
will tell you I'm OK, untilsomebody says no, you're not.
And I remember earlier in mytime in ministry I was going
through something and my sistersaid you're not yourself.

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I said, oh yes, I am.
She said no, you're not, you'resnappy, you're losing your edge
, you're going, you're gettingupset too quickly.
And I'm like I never noticedthat.
But it took my sister to say tome, connie, you're carrying
more than you need to.
And then I had to address it.
I had to say she's right.
So I got in the presence of God, starting telling God how angry
I was, how frustrated I was,and that's when he could say to

(26:45):
me well, look at that, becauseyou said to everybody today oh,
I'm blessed, I'm good, but lookat the condition of your heart.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
That is so good.
You know, all this is, it's allthis is good information.
I mean, already I don't, I wantto, kind of just I could stay
here all night, pastor Connie,but can I just go back just
really quick, because we weretalking about you asked the
question did, did anybody, didJesus touch anybody physically
to heal?
And then you mentioned to castout devils.
Cast out devils, but now thewoman with the issue of blood.

(27:16):
She touched him His garmentRight, so it wasn't him, but did
anybody?
Was there anybody else that hetouched to cast out devils?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
You remember the gentleman that had the son that
the disciples could not heal him?
You know what I'm saying.
And they wanted to know whythey couldn't do it.
And he said something does notgo out without prayer and
fasting.
Remember that he had toliterally cast the demon out of
them because they weren't ableto do it.
They had the ability to do it,but I don't think their faith
was strong enough to do it.

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So most of the time when youlook in the New Testament, he is
casting out a demon or he issending it up into the grave
site.
He's putting it out of theterritory, he's getting it out
of the area, but you don't seehim walking up and laying hands
on the pig or laying hands onthe thing to cast that.
But then he's the same personthat will go to Jairus' house.
He's the same person that willgo and see about Peter's mom.

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He's just that kind of God.
He's hands-on.
But when it comes to demonicforces, I don't see the Lord
going around just laying handson demonic forces is what I'm
saying.
Yeah, he can spot it a mile.
He can see what that's astronghold there.
He can speak to that.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it makes sense too, because really laying on
hands is about a transferenceno-transcript Theotherapy comes

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in about seven components.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
One it helps us to become emotionally stable.
I teach people how to processanger.
When you're angry, the Biblesaid to be angry and sin not.
You don't have a right, whenyou're angry, to take it out on
me.
You don't have a right to takeit out on your family.
But we give you tools on how toget rid of anger without
offending someone or hurtingsomeone or being nasty to

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someone.
So we give you tools to do that.
It's so important for us to beemotionally stable and today we
see a lot of mental especiallysince COVID a lot of mental
detachments, people not reallylining things up properly in
their thinking and in theirthought patterns.
It also helps us to becomevulnerable before God and be
aware of the attacks of Satan.

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I think a lot of times we showpeople listen, that's the enemy
fighting.
The Bible said he goes to andfro seeking whom he may devour.
He's looking for things tobring accusations against us and
many times we say we areChristians.
But then we can curse, we cansay words, we can do things, we
can be One of the things theLord said to me a few weeks ago

(30:05):
two things that are going todivide the church is the spirit
of offense and distraction.
He said they are distracted Evenif you are preaching, let
something drop.
Everybody looks.
They're so quickly distracted.
And the other thing is somepeople don't even know why
they're offended, but they'reoffended.
You can't correct people todaywithout them being offended,
even though you're trying togrow them.

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So what we're saying to themthe reason you can't accept
correction is because I'mtriggering you.
You're upset at me because I'mcorrecting you and the real
problem is not me.
You're mad at your father andmother.
That's where the problemstarted, but you are mad.
You don't want me to correctyou.
So they have problems withleadership.

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Many people in the church todaydon't like to be told.
They don't understand the powerof submission.
So what they're feeling oh,you're trying to control me, and
what it is is their heart is sohardened because of the kind of
leadership and control that'sbeen in their lives so they're
not able to navigate to say thisperson really loves me, they
want the best of me, all theycan think of.
Why are you trying to controlme?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Wow, wow, that's so good.
You know, as the women onceagain, you know, the women are
ready, they're ready to go.
What would you say, like if awoman was getting or wanting
deliverance?
What would hinder that womanfrom getting deliverance or
receiving the healing?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
the healing Number one.
They have to believe they needit.
Some people don't believe Ididn't need it.
Sometimes, you know, it amazesme.
Some people believe they'reokay.
They honestly do.
I'm fine.
I'm fine, you know I was.
I remember I was working withone of my clients and I said to

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her you're angry?
She said's happening, I'mtriggering you.
That's one of the words you'llhear a lot in theotherapy I'm
triggering you, I am causing.
Whatever I'm saying is goingdown and touching something
that's very soft in your life.
You can't.
You can't maneuver around itand you don't know how to deal
with it.
So you're getting angry.
I said but let's find out whyyou're angry.
Is it?
Do you have problems withfemale leaders?

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Do you have problems withauthority?
What is it that's causing younot to be able to hear me?
And all of a sudden you'll seethem start kind of getting soft,
this kind of just kind ofbreaking in the presence of God,
and they're saying you know,this person raped me, or this
person molested me, or thisperson did this.
And ever since then I said I'llnever let anybody do this to me
, I'll never let anybody in, andthat's what you'll find out.

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And as soon as we start gettingin there and it starts
unraveling.
It starts like I call it anonion.
We start peeling off layers andthen you'll begin to see
somebody who will go right backto where they were.
Seven years old I was molestedby my uncle or was molested by
the babysitter, and I didn'ttell my parents.
I've walked around with thisfor years, but I always said I

(32:58):
was going to protect my heart.
I was never going to letanybody in.
So now I'm in church and you'retrying to befriend me.
I don't know what you want.
What do you want?
All of a sudden, defenses go upand you don't want anything.
You're just trying to pastorthem.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Wow, well, you know one of the things too, dr Connie
, that with people, once theycome to that point right, like
you're in the middle of asession with them, or maybe it's
going to be Friday night, andyou start getting like some of
those layers, how far do youneed to go until you know all
right, this is where the freedomkicks in, this is where the

(33:29):
deliverance is going to happen,or is it just all right?
They said you know, somethinghappened.
I was raped when I was sevenyears old.
All right, so now we're justgoing to pray for that and then
is it over with what?
What's kind of the processafter you start exposing kind of
those layers?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
We've got to go back and find out who did it, because
normally if someone is molestedor raped, there's a smell
that's left, there's an odorthat left.
Sometimes, what I find whensomeone, if they were molested
from, like an uncle or somebody,they'll say, oh, I can smell
their perfume, I can smell theircologne.
Oh, every time I smell thatcologne, I hate it and I realize

(34:03):
, oh, there was something atthat point that left something
there and that thing triggersthem.
And so, even if the person isno longer around, if somebody
sprays that cologne, they'relike oh, what's that?
It's something that goes allthe way back to their childhood.
So once they get us back there,we're going to say, okay, let's
deal with.
What was the smell in the room?
How did you feel at that time?

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How did you feel, violet?
Why didn't you say anything?
Because, oh, I did say to mymom, but she didn't believe me
because it was her brother.
I said, okay then.
So mom didn't protect you likeshe would.
So now we've got to forgive mom.
So you see all the layers there.
We've got to forgive mom, we'vegot to forgive the uncle that
did it.
We've got to get that personback on track and say listen,
but you have to forgive thembecause if you keep holding them

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hostage, you won't be able toreceive the things that God has
for you, and you don't want tomiss all of the blessings.
So let's get these layers off,let's take off this, let's
forgive this one, let's forgivethat one.
We start peeling the layers offand it's usually through
forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Wow.
So you all better listening you, and if you're not registered
yet, you want to register,because I believe that people
are going to leave free, healedand whole by the power of the
Holy Spirit.
You know, dr Connie.
As the women are preparing tocome tomorrow, how would you
encourage them to pray?

(35:18):
Should they pray in a specificway upon entering?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think they need to pray for their hearts to be
opened.
You know, this is the firsttime, god, let me be vulnerable
in your presence, let me open.
The Bible says so clearly to usthat the Bible says I know the
plans I have for you.
It's good, it's not evil.
I have hope for you.
Let God show you what he hasfor you.
Come with your heart open sothat when you remove the debris,
when you remove the anger, thebitterness, what can flow out of

(35:45):
the abundance of my heart?
What new does God want to bringto and attract to me?
You become so more attractivewhen you let go all of that
anger and bitterness and toxicbehavior.
And sometimes people feel, oh,I'm fine, there's nothing, I'm
just, I'm really good.
But I'm telling you you reallyneed to pray that God opened my
heart and I'm going to teach alot of that tomorrow the seed

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and the heart.
How important it is.
So, when the word of God comes,you can.
Somebody always says to me this.
I said, pastor Connie, why doesit seem as though your
prophetic words always come topass and we sit here and our
prophetic words are not comingto pass?
Well, number one, whenever Iget a prophetic word.
My heart has to be able toreceive it.
I believe it.
Pastor Jay comes to the churchand says God is saying this.
I write it in my notebook and Igo home and I pray over it and

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say God, pastor Jay has declaredthis over me and I know this is
from the throne room of God.
My heart has to be open to it.
And then I start asking God, isthis a now prophecy?
Is this for this year, twoyears from now, five years from
now?
Because if it's now, I don'twant to miss it.
I start talking to God andholding dear the word that was
given to me, but if my heart istoxic, I'm going to be like.

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Sure he's saying God going tobless me with money.
What money?
I've been broke all my life.
Everybody in my family beenbroke.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's how I hear it no-transcript If we don't have

(37:18):
the soil right to receive theword.
A lot of times, the things thatwe've been through I think a
lot of times too, dr Conniepeople don't realize the stuff
that happened when they werekids.
The devil's been plotting foryears for the moment that
they're coming into right nowand I believe even right now
there's people that are watchingthat God wants you to realize
that, even as you attend thisseminar, you need to come in

(37:41):
with an open heart, because Godis.
You have to have an open heartfor the open door that God is
bringing into your life, and thedevil has plotted for years to
try to get you to this point,because you are actually at the
point where you're about tocross the threshold into a new
level and into a new dimensionand the devil is trying to plant
.
He planted things for years inyour heart and this is the time

(38:03):
for you to get purified, to getcleansed, to get healed.
So now, what you're hearing andgoing to be receiving in this
new season, you can walk in theblessing of God.
I really believe that there arepeople watching right now that
you are been bad.
Even as she's talking, you'relike man.
She's definitely talking to me,man.
It means you need to get tothis seminar.

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Some of you, even as you'rewatching and as you're listening
, you're like man.
You know, I know so-and-so man.
There's somebody that I knowthat's battling with this.
This might be their answer.
You need to go get them andbring them out, because the
devil's been plotting for years.
God wants to uproot thosethings so then he can plant,
even as he said in Jeremiah,those new things in your heart

(38:46):
to bring you into the destinythat God has for you.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
You know, pastor can I say something, pastor?
When you asked me about how toprepare, the Bible says this in
Ezekiel 36, 26, I will give youa new heart, a new spirit I'll
put within you and I will removethe old heart of stone from
your flesh and give you a heartof flesh.
So many people's heart is sodamaged that God has to give

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them a new heart.
He has to renew their heartbecause it's become so callous.
I used to do cosmetology, teachcosmetology, and for years I had
a callous on my finger for theyears and I noticed how hard it
became after a while.
And the Lord reminded me of howthe heart can become like that
when you allow things to beangry and bitter and upsetting
in your heart.
And he said trust me with allof your heart, but if my heart

(39:34):
is toxic and filled with stuff,I can't trust God with all my
heart.
So that's why I'm not seeing myhealing, that's why I'm not
seeing my deliverance, because Ican't trust you.
I trust you a little bit, but Idon't have that whole heart to
give to you, god, because I'vegot uncle in there, I've got
rejection in there, I've gotbitterness in there, I've got
offenses in there and I'mholding on to it because I have
a right to be mad.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And that shows you how how that's so powerful.
Because that a lot of peopledon't realize they're hearing
incorrectly and seeing thingsincorrectly through the wrong
lens, through the wrong spirit,based upon a filter that they've
been through in their past.
And I believe that, even aspeople are coming out over this
weekend, god is going to removethe filters.

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There are some of you listeningright now that you've actually
there have been words spoken toyou and, like Dr Connie
mentioned earlier, oh, I've beenbroke my whole life.
Some of the words you can'teven hear it because your heart
is tainted.
It is the spirit of the Lordthat is actually talking to you,
but you have blocked it out andGod wants to uproot those

(40:39):
filters he wants to uproot.
Give you that new heart andthat new spirit, and I believe,
even right now, you need to justask the Lord right now God,
give me a new heart, god give mea new spirit.
I believe that, even as you'rewilling to do that, god is going
to begin to move in your heartand bring healing.
And even those of you that arelistening and watching, they're
going to be there over theweekend.
Your heart already is beingprepared to receive, because God
is ready to take you into newdimension.
You are going to heardifferently after this weekend.

(41:00):
Some of you are going to seedifferently.
Your prophetic gift is going tobe more finely tuned.
You're going to have a greatergift of discernment.
You're no longer going to be askeptic.
You're going to have the giftof discernment operating in your
life.
So listen, go right now.
Brad, bring up again how peoplecan go and register for this
seminar.
You need to come on out.
You can text the word healingto 412-586-7159.

(41:23):
Tomorrow night, friday, june20th, at seven o'clock.
Saturday, the 21st June 21st,at from 10 am to 2 pm.
Get there, get your healing.
Let God uproot those things sothen he can begin to pour his
newness.
You know, the scripture comesto my mind, babe, about in
Jeremiah, chapter one.
I believe it was chapter onewhere he told Jeremiah you're

(41:43):
gonna root out, you're gonnapluck up.
He said, you're gonna pull downand then you're going to build
and plant.
God is ready to plant and buildsome things in your life, but
he's got to uproot the old andif you allow him to do that,
you're going to see and heardifferently.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I'm sorry, pastor.
Just wanted to say what pastorwas saying about rooting up.
There's a young lady in myworship team right now.
When she was a little girl shesang in the church.
One of the mothers at thechurch told her you can't sing,
you can't sing gospel, you needto stop.
That word crippled her becauseit was a mother in the church so
she wouldn't sing.

(42:20):
So she joined my ministry andshe asked me to sing and I was
like why won't you sing out?
Why won't you sing out?
So in one of my theotherapyclasses I said to her there's
something that happened that hascrippled your voice.
Why are you not singing?
And she broke down, startedcrying and said the mother told
me I'm not a gospel singer, Idon't need to be singing.

(42:40):
If you hear the melody, thesmoothness of her voice, you
would not believe that someonehad crippled her with those
words.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
We had to root that up.
We had to get rid of that.
Her words don't have power overyou anymore.
She doesn't know you.
God knows you.
God created, he knows you.
Remember what the Bible says heknows you, he created you.
She didn't create your voicebox.
She didn't give you that melody, she didn't give you that song.
And now when she opens up hermouth, she said I am shocked at
my own response to me because ofwhat had been said to her.

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That's how powerful words are.
And when you have a child andyou say you're stupid, you're
dumb, you're just like your dad,you're ugly, you're dark, when
you put those words in a childbecause they don't respond right
away does not mean it's notstill in there.
I tell them all the time.
Our bodies are like Prego it'sin there and until we take it
out and discard it, we walkaround damaged for years.

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I have 50 and 60 year olds thathave been damaged from seven
and eight years old.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, you know.
It's amazing, though, how manypeople walk around just all the
time in the church, in theworkplace, and they have all
that in there and they functionwith it.
They're functioning with that.
But I believe this too.
You know you were talking aboutuprooting and building and
planting.
I believe that, as you come andyou get healed and you get

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delivered, it's not just aboutyou, it's about your kids, it's
about your kids' kids.
It's generational.
That's going to take place.
There are some of you that aregoing to come and generational
curses are going to be brokenoff of you Generational curses
that have to do with thephysical arena, generational
curses that have to do with theemotional arena, generational

(44:27):
curses just at large.
I just really sense that thatthat is going to be destroyed by
the power of the Holy Spirit.
That, as you come tomorrownight, as you come on Saturday,
I even encourage you to expectthat.
If you know, some of you knowthat it's generational.
You know a woman.
We were praying for her and shesaid one of the things she said

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.
She said you know what?
It's just in my family.
Well, you don't have to saythat we do.
Oh my, my.
My mother had high bloodpressure.
My father had this, my, mygrandfather had this.
You don't have to receive that,you don't have to live in that.
That is something that you canbreak, and your kids now as a

(45:12):
result, when you come and youget delivered and you get healed
now, your kids now it's a wholedifferent generation that
you're making at that point.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And I want to take it a step further too, because
when you said about generationalcurses are being broken, I felt
the Lord spoke to me and saidthe purpose of a generational
curse is to block generationalblessings.
Yes, you think about it whenthey applied the blood over the
doorposts of their house inEgypt.
They came, they went in thatlast time as slaves, but they
left out as sons.

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And what did they do?
They spoiled Egypt.
That was their granddaddy'sinheritance, that was their
great granddad.
They took all of that with themwhen they go and I believe
there's people watching andlistening right now.
You have been appointed andanointed to break the
generational curse.
You will get in there and youhave.
It'll be passed on, even toyour posterity.

(46:05):
You know, I really believe that, dr Connie, that there are
people that are going to comethere, that when they go in that
weekend, when they come out ofthat weekend, they're going to
step into a level ofgenerational blessing that

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they've never had before.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I believe that.
I believe it because I know alot of things that I have
received is because I brokethose things in my family when I
got revelation of whattheotherapy, the years I studied
theotherapy, the years I workedin deliverance, when I was able
to do it for my family and lookat my children's wealth, the
wealth that they are building,the things that my family never
had.
But my family is able toreceive that now because I was

(46:50):
able to break that now, becauseI was able to break that, the
abuse that was in my family,that I was able to break so many
things God showed me over theyears and studying this, that
happened in my family.
I have a litany of things Icould tell you about that
happened in my family that I hadto literally break so they
didn't come into my children'slife and into my marriage.
Oh yeah, oh, it's so important.

(47:11):
It's so important to realize,like Pastor says, you can break
those familiar spirits, you canbreak those generational curses
so that the generationalblessings can begin to flow into
your family.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Well, you know, one of the things that's Friday
night.
We're talking about theotherapyon Friday and then Saturday
you're going to get into thewhole deliverance portion.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Deliverance area, yes , and that's dealing with any
kind of witchcraft.
We have people that come fromthird world nations, the
Caribbean.
They work with obia witchcraft.
They work with voodoo dolls,they work with all of that stuff
.
We like to look into thosethings and say, listen, where's
your genealogy, where are youfrom?
Do you know what's in your line, what's in your lineage?
And we talk about that andbreaking some of those things.
Then, if there's divorce in yourfamily, how many people in your

(47:55):
family are divorced?
Is that a stronghold?
Is there suicide in your family?
How many people have you everheard talk of suicidal
tendencies in your family?
Let's look back into some ofyou and say, like, when you go
to your family reunion, how manypeople in your family smoking
and drinking?
Is there an alcohol problem inyour family?
Because one of the things Iteach, when you hit a crisis, if

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you're not strong in God,you're going to go back to
what's familiar, and it'susually they're going to go to
the alcohol, or they're going togo back to the cigarette, or
they're going to go to themarijuana.
They're going to go back towhat's familiar.
They might be in the church,but when the church has
disappointed them and they nevergot delivered.
They're going to go back towhat's familiar.
They're going to go get thatdrink.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Now, dr Connie, you know, if you have a family
member, say you're coming in,you're getting delivered, how
far does that deliverance andhealing extend and what I mean
like the fruit of that?
So what I mean by that say, ifyou know I come in, I get
delivered and I get healed andgenerational curses are being

(48:55):
broken.
Say, if I have a family member,that is, I have a niece or a
nephew or something like that,me breaking that, does that
extend directly to them?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Well, the Bible talks about going up to the fourth
generation, so you can go backinto generations and do this.
One of the things the HolySpirit is a reveal of a truth.
In Book of John he says he's aspirit of truth.
One of the things I do is askthe Holy Spirit tell me the
truth regarding this person.
What is this that they'reactually battling with?
How far does this go?
He can go back to the end oftime.
He can go back to the beginningof time.
He's the alpha and the maker.

(49:32):
He's the beginning and the end.
He knows everything.
So one of the things that Iwill ask the Holy Spirit, which
is the reveal of truth show mewhat I'm battling.
I was in England a few weeks agoand we had a manifestation of a
snake.
The person was just wigglinglike a snake in the service and
I said well, god, is that asnake?
He said, well, god, is that astake?
He said no, that's a Leviathan.

(49:52):
He said break that now.
And as soon as we broke it, herbody just kind of lifted up and
dropped.
It's just like broken off ofher.
And so you have to ask the HolySpirit because you don't know
Sometimes, when you're doing thedeliverance, you say God, what
is the spirit that ismanifesting here?
And it will hide from you andthey'll say I'm not answering

(50:14):
you.
I said, well, holy Spirit, showme what it is, and he will show
you right away what you'redealing with.
That's why it's so importantnot to do healing and
deliverance without the HolySpirit.
The Holy Spirit is the revealerof truth.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
That's right.
That's right, amen.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, you know, I think you were asking Dr Connie.
She was mentioning, like, say,for example, if I go there this
weekend, right, and I get free,will my current nieces and
nephews that are alive today?
Will that deliverance extend tothem?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Oh, yes, if you call their names, if you put them in
the bloodline, yeah, you callout who it is.
You know, it's important foryou to know who they are and
what they're battling with,because everybody doesn't battle
with the same thing.
But you can begin to breakeverything off of you up to the
third and the fourth generation.
Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh, wow, and I think that's so important that people
understand that that lot can beriding on you.
Some of you may be fightingwarfare.
We're fasting right now.
My wife and her team, they'reall going in on it to because
they want to be prepared for theatmosphere and get ready,
because some of you may bebattling things right now.
Keep a lookout for the enemy.
Even from now, you get theirdistractions, like she mentioned

(51:20):
, because the devil does notwant you to get your freedom,
you know.
Another question that I have,dr Connie, is after this happens
, all right, they come through,they get to Theo therapy, they
get delivered.
What is their responsibilitynow, moving forward?
I leave out of the seminar.
I know I'm free or maybe I'mstill battling some things.
What are the steps they need totake, depending on where they

(51:41):
are?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
The Bible says when a house is swept and clean, if
you go back into that sameenvironment it's going to come
back worse than it was before.
So one of the things I alwaystell people if I'm going to take
someone through deliverance, Iwant to know where they live.
Who are you living with?
Are you living in an adulteroussituation?
I won't take them throughdeliverance.
If they are in a drug infestedhouse and they can't move right

(52:03):
away, I don't take them throughdeliverance.
You know why, if I take themthrough deliverance, they get
delivered and they go back intoa house filled with drug
addiction.
It's going to be worse for them.
So I would set them up forprivate time once they're out of
that environment.
But if you take them throughdeliverance and they go back
into the same environment, theycan be worse than they are.
But if they've come throughdeliverance and they're ready

(52:23):
now for freedom, what we dealwith now is maintenance.
Don't go back into thatsituation or don't go into that
area or you got to let go thatrelationship because you don't
want to open yourself up to beworse than you were before.
So if they're really ready forhealing, we give them what I say
is maintenance.
They usually get a letter and Ishow them how to write letters

(52:43):
to God to maintain their healing, to maintain their deliverance.
Talking to God about it, I givethem tools.
When they leave this weekendthey'll have tools, things that
they'll know what to do on theirown when we're not around.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
You know, that's so true.
I used to work with somebody atthe center.
There was a woman that came by.
She needed some other thingsbut she was helped on drugs.
And there was one day it wasinteresting.
I said, hey, listen, I'll meetyou down here and we'll do A, b
and C.
Well, I called her and calledher and called her, couldn't
find her, you know, answernothing.

(53:16):
And then she, she would saythere was one time where she
picked up, I'll be there.
But she never showed up and butshe wanted to be free.
But it was interesting becauseI said, well, what happened?
And she said it's so easy there.
She said they knock on my door,I'm there.
She had to move.

(53:36):
Once she moved, dr Connie, shecame back.
I didn't even recognize who shewas.
She was clean, she was hookedup.
I mean, she was she, she wentback she got a job.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
She had her job.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I mean she looked totally different, but she had
to move.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, you can when you go back you get, you come
back.
Worse, I have people who haveleft the church, had been
through deliverance and wentback out there.
When they came back they didn'teven look like themselves.
They were so messed up becausewe tried to explain to them we
cannot take you to deliveranceif you're going to go back and
some of them wind up going backto live with the guy, wind up
going back and they come backand they're in such bad shape

(54:15):
they really don't get thefreedom until they make a
decision to move out of that.
I will not do deliverance onsomeone who's living in an
adulterous relationship or is inpromiscuous relationship and is
going back home, like ifthey're living with someone and
tonight they're going back homewith that person.
I'm not doing that.
I said I will not be helpingyou.
I will be hurting you because,you're going back into sin and

(54:36):
the wages of sin is death.
You're going to bring this backon yourself and the house is
sept and clean now.
So he's coming back with sevenmore demons.
He's coming back with hisfriends, you know, and that's
what you don't want.
So you have to be very careful.
That's why I say I hear peopledoing deliverance all the time
and I was like but you have toteach them how to handle
deliverance, otherwise they willgo out.

(54:56):
And I had a lady one time.
She said oh, there's no men inthe church.
I'm going to get a husband.
I'll be back to say but yes,I'm telling you, if you go out
there, you're not going to comeback in any good shape.
She lost her mind.
She married someone.
He was a drug addict, he diedof a drug overdose and then she
literally walking around nowlike she don't even know who she
is.
But she wouldn't take counsel,she would not.

(55:18):
And every now and again I willget a call from her and say
Pastor, I want to come back.
But pastor, I want to come back.
But I said I told you when yougo back, it was going to be
difficult.
Whenever you're ready to comeback, come and she said no, no,
no, she's still looking for,still looking for another
husband still looking forsomebody else and it's not
destroying her life.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah Well, you know another scenario that kind of
popped in my mind as you'retalking if somebody gets free
right, and they do sweep up thehouse, does the devil still
sometimes come by and knock totry to get a new place?
And if he does, what is youradvice to them?
Maybe it's somebody who'sdealing with, maybe it's a past

(55:58):
relationship, but they can tell.
Or maybe it's an unforgivenesspiece or something He'll come
back and remind them.
Now they know they got theirfreedom, they've been free, but
he'll still come and knock.
What do they do in that moment?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
They've got to know what triggers them, like, okay,
I have somebody right now who isdealing with alcoholism,
they're battling alcoholism,they've gone, they're going
through a deliverance, they'regoing through healing.
And I asked them what made youpick up the bottle this time?
Okay, you've been, you've gonethrough healing, you've gone
through deliverance.
What makes you pick up thebottle this time?
And they're angry at theirfather.

(56:30):
And so when the father saidsomething, it triggered them.
They went and started drinking.
What happens is we have triggersand if we're not aware what of
our triggers are, something cancome up again to make us want to
go back to the old ways.
That's why it's so importantthat you know who your triggers
are.
Okay, if I know my father and Idon't get along, I need to stay

(56:50):
away from him till I'm strongenough to handle him.
I can't go over there thisweekend.
I can't come.
I can't come, dad, I'm sorry, Ican't.
I'm in the process of somethingright now and I can't come.
You're trying to get yourself.
That's why, even when you go tothe AA anonymous classes and
different things they show youhow you have to be able to get
away from that environment.
They even give you a sponsor tohold you accountable, because

(57:11):
they know the enemy is going tocome knocking on the door
wanting to draw you back intowhat's familiar, and it's
usually by someone you know.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
People, places and things.
They always say in AA or NAthat you have to be aware.
You have to change all three.
All three have to be changed.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Same way in deliverance.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yep In order to stay free.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
So there's some relationships that you just have
to say.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
You have to say no to .
You have to say okay, if theycome down, it's your own parents
, but if they're toxic, ifthey're nasty, they're rude, if
they're drinking in front of you, even though they know you're
trying to get it, can't go there.
You can't.
And although you love them, youhave to love them from a
distance.
We have to teach people how tolove from a distance that's good
preaching and it's possiblewithout being offended yeah

(57:53):
exactly because you're savingyour life.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
They decide to remain toxic.
God has brought you out and godis saving your life, and so you
have to get to a place whereyou want to be saved.
You want to be made whole, youknow.
That's why he asked the man atthe pool of Bethesda do you want
to be made whole?
Do you want this?
Because you have an option.
You can stay here and have themmove you to move in water, or

(58:16):
you can be totally healed andmove on with your life.
But it's going to cost youbecause you won't have somebody
to pick you up and do this foryou anymore.
You're going to have to standon your feet.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You know something that you mentioned I think is
really good too.
I think it's.
You don't hear it preached veryoften, but we all know the
passage where Jesus said if youreye offends, you pluck it out.
I mean.
I mean, that's serious business, right there.
You know, he's saying well, Ihave a right to decide now.
This is going to take you tohell, that's right.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Exactly, exactly.
You have this friend.
He's my buddy.
We've been buddies from highschool, but every time you go
out with him, you wind up at abar.
Every time you go out with him,you're sleeping with someone.
Or you have this girlfriend.
Every time we go out, we windup doing this.
Well then, that's not theperson you need to be with.
You love them.

(59:05):
I have a.
Well, I can't because I havechurch on Sunday.
I haven't spoken to her in 30years.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
That night she walked away and never looked back at
me, never looked back.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I don't even know where she is today.
And we were I'm not sayingtight.
Well, the children weretogether, we were close and when
I said seen her again, the Lordnever allowed me to see her
again.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
There was one less opportunity to take it again.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Yes, and if I went with her, I don't think I would
have served the Lord at the timewhen I did, but the Lord was
making sure that I was makingthat clean cut.
And there's times in life whereyou have to say you know you
have to sever it.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
You do Because I think, pastor Connie, if you
don't sever it, then youreternity, where you spend
eternity, is at jeopardy,whether you spend it in eternity
with the Lord in heaven orwhether you spend it in, you
know, on the other side in hell.
You know, always think aboutthose things too.
It's not worth it, not worth it.
It's not worth giving upeternity in heaven with Jesus.

(01:00:07):
It's not worth it, not worth it.
It's not worth giving upeternity in heaven with Jesus.
It's not worth it.
You know, I always share withpeople.
You know, um, that it's like,you know, you have a piece of
paper and then you draw ahorizontal line and you take a
sharpened pencil and you put onthat.
You take that sharpened penciland you just put a little dot on
that line and that line isreally to the best of our

(01:00:30):
ability.
We can kind of look at it likeour timeline, a timeline of
eternity.
That little blip, that littletiny point, is our time here on
earth.
That relates to eternity, and Ijust you know, when you really
think about that, there's no end.
But you give it up for thatlittle itty bitty time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Just some time to fit in, just some time not to be
alone.
Just some people give up theirwalk with God, their anointing,
their call, just so I'm notalone, just so I can fit in with
this group.
Or you know, you'd be surprised, you know, in the scripture,
where he talks about where hesold his birthright for some
soup, yeah, you saw.

(01:01:13):
We do the same thing.
We sell out our anointing, ourcall, our faith in God, our
belief for one night withsomeone who just said something
kind to us, and all of a suddenwe wipe away all the years of
what to just go to that thing.
Just like you said, that littledot is the same way so many
times in healing and deliverance.

(01:01:33):
And you see somebody who'sdoing so well and then they go,
the person that they were datingcalled and they know they can't
go, but they go.
And then they wind up losing.
But they have to start all overagain.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Like a dog returns to his vomit and some cool back to
his folly.
I mean it happens.
I mean, as pastors we see itall the time, all the time and
you try to like you know youdon't want to get like what's
the matter with you, but you'rethinking in your mind like you
already know what this outcomeis.
I mean you can see the play itout and then the funny thing
about it you're trying to shareit with them and then they're

(01:02:05):
mad at you.
Exactly, pastor, you keep mefrom my destiny.
I'm like, no, I'm trying tokeep you from deliverance again.
You're like you're on aconstant rotating table of
needing to be delivered.
It's kind of like the judgesthe whole period of the judges.
They would be free for a while,then they'd get a deliverer and
they get free for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
They get up every week in the prayer line.
Every week, the same people inthe prayer line.
Every week they're in the same.
No, why are you back in theprayer line?
Yeah, exactly you know, butthey did something during the
week.
They're trying to make it rightwith God so they get back in
the prayer line.
No, use your tools and staydeliberate.
Stay out of these situations.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
And that's what we give tools to take away from
every seminar to continue theirmaintenance and their
breakthrough.
And you know, I think, inaddition to the tools, get
around some good godly believinganointed people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And church.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
And that was I was going to go there and church
yeah, and get yourself pluggedup Into a church, into a proper
church, where you're going to beteaching and you can see the
gifts in operation.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And they teach the inerrant word of God.
I mean there's no compromisinganything like that, because that
support is needed to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
You know where you can get that support system
around you and people that say,hey, listen, keep going and they
have to know, pastors, thatdeliverance is not one time I'm
not going to solve your wholelife tomorrow night or Friday,
saturday morning.
We're starting to peel theonion.
We're starting a process.
We're giving you tools to takehome to continue it.
It's not going to happen.
There's things in my life thatI'm still working on, and I'm 70

(01:03:38):
years old this year.
There's always something in ourlives that God is working on.
Everyone is different.
Sometimes it's our mouth,sometimes it's our attitude how
quick that we can go from zeroto a hundred.
What is it that's triggeringthat?
There's so many times that Godis still working on something
inside of us to make us better.
You know, and that's what isimportant, stay open and be

(01:03:59):
teachable, that God willcontinue to heal and bring the
full, bring the wholesome partof you to the best, evolving,
the best version of yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Amen to that.
You know I'm real excited.
I think this weekend is goingto be outstanding and, Dr Connie
, we want to thank you so much,not only for your time here but
what you're going to do over theweekend.
Is there any closing thoughtsor things you want to share with
our viewers and listenerscoming into this weekend, before
we let you go?

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
I think the most important thing, pastor, is to
stay open.
Come open for God to dosomething to you.
I'm going to give you threethings.
Number one it's going to helpyou be more obedient to God's
Word.
That's what it's going to do.
Number two it helps you to knowyourselves better, because so
many times we hide, we maskbehind things.
Number three it teaches us howto overcome obstacles and deal

(01:04:47):
with our body, soul and spirit.
It lets us know better who weare.
And number four it is soimportant for us to understand
it Proverbs 4 and 7 says it toask God for wisdom.
It makes us more intelligent.
Intelligence is the ability toincorporate information and put
it to use.
It's so sad to have knowledgebut never apply it.
One of the most frustratingthings is to be knowledgeable of

(01:05:07):
something and never apply it.
I think it's important for usto get the information on
theotherapy, get the informationon deliverance and apply it to
our lives, so we can use thesetools Even when we're not around
.
They're not at church, butthey're dealing with things at
home.
They have tools to be able tofight it and actually see the
outcome of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Amen, Amen.
That's going to be so good.
I know I'm going to be a fly onthe wall on Friday night, but
I'm definitely going to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
They want to come.
Yeah, we are going to have todo one just for the men.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
You can show up.
You can show up when you're thepastor.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
That's right.
That's right, that's that'sgood, but but we do have one for
men.
Sometimes we do it with the men, because men are different in
their response to healing and totherapy.
But I find many of them areopen, though, because they're
dealing with so many differentthings, especially since COVID a
lot of the mental attacks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah, amen Amen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Well, thank you so much, Dr Connie.
We so appreciate you and yourministry and look forward.
Everyone, get out there, get inon this.
This is going to be powerful.
What you experienced here isjust the tip of the iceberg of
what you're going to see overthe next couple of days.
So thank you, dr Connie, forcoming with us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You know we'll have you back there.
You so much for having me and Iknow we're going to have a
great weekend.
I'm looking forward, my team islooking forward to coming and
being with you guys too.
God bless you everyone.
Amen Bless you.
Well, that was good, that'sgood stuff.
No-transcript.

(01:06:52):
You're going to find freedom.
I love what she said aboutyou're going to have tools.
Not only are you going to havethe anointing, but you're going
to have the tools to carry it.
I think far too often we areonly spectators in the house of
God.
We don't realize the purpose ofbeing in the house of God is to
get an impartation andanointing, a word from God that
we have to go home and stewardin the process of discipleship

(01:07:14):
so that begins to maturate inour lives.
So, even as you're gettingready to go and you're coming to
this seminar, come on out andthen get what you need to get
and then go and listen.
If you're not being discipled,you need to have somebody
pouring into your life so youcan be an open book to them,
Share what God has given to youand then begin to walk out that

(01:07:36):
that word will be edified andbuilt up in your life so you can
become, as Dr Connie said, thebest version of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
That's good.
I mean, I took so many notes.
I'm like, okay, what can I?
You know what are my finalthoughts?
I have so many things writtendown here.
One of the things that Ithought that she said was so
good was when we were talkingabout the prophetic word.
Sometimes in those atmospheresyou will get prophetic words,
and if you do get a propheticword, remember to hold on to it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
That's right.
Hold on to it, pray it through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Pray it through, begin to write it down.
I always encourage ladies tohave a journal.
Write those things down, recitethem, get them in your spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
You know, they can get another level journal too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
You can get another level journal.
We'll bring that out tomorrow.
But you know it's so importantbecause the enemy, once you get
a word, he will try to discreditthat word.
So he's coming on that backside.
So you get that word in thefront, he's going to try to come
on that backside and he's goingto try to discredit that word.
I remember somebody who she gota word that she was going to

(01:08:36):
get money in her hands pocketsand accounts hands pockets and
accounts and do you know, a weeklater, maybe a little bit
longer, not too long after shelost her job.
So then it caused her to think.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
well, that word was a lie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Was this word true?
What?

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
talking about, Because now I'm just I'm losing
my job.
Now, you know, where am I goingto get money in my hands,
pockets and accounts whenthere's no finances coming in?
Well, what happened was a fewweeks later.
Okay, after she got that call,she got another call saying hey,
listen, would you like to workfrom home?

(01:09:16):
And they only picked her andsomebody else and she is now
making more money than she hasever had and those finances are
coming in her account, herpocket and in her hands.
So keep that word of God'sgiven it to you.
You stand on that word.
You hold that word.
You don't let the enemy try todiscredit it in any way.

(01:09:40):
You get that in your spirit andyou don't let it go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Amen, amen.
So listen.
If you've been blessed by this,don't forget to like, subscribe
, follow, share all that goodstuff and listen right after
this.
In the next probably 15, 20minutes, it will be uploaded to
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So take this and put it backinto your spirit.
Listen to it when you're on theworkout machine.
Listen to it when you're inyour car.

(01:10:04):
You know the Bible says talkabout it when you're walking
through the way.
Bind it in front of yourforehead as a frontlet.
You know the Bible talks abouthow, constantly putting that
word in to you.
So don't just sit here andlisten to this and go on.
If something really spoke to you, go back and keep rehearsing
that.
Even at every prophetic word weget, we write it down.
Even as Dr Connie said, shewrites it down and begin to pray

(01:10:25):
it through.
Remember prophecy is notfortune telling.
It's not like, well, I got theword and I'm just going to wait
on God.
Prophecy is all about potential,dormant talent.
You have to awaken that throughyour stewardship and then begin
to walk out that word.
Work out that salvation, workout that prophecy.
Walk it out in a way that itcauses it to materialize in your

(01:10:45):
life.
It out in a way that it causesit to materialize in your life.
And as you begin to pray itthrough and you begin to
meditate upon it, god will giveyou steps, action, steps.
You'll begin to speak to you,by way of the Holy Spirit, on
how to see that word come tofruition.
So just some food for thoughtas we're moving into this
weekend.
Don't just come and be aspectator or even if it's not,
this weekend as you move forward.

(01:11:06):
You're at a conference, you'reat, a prophet shows up at your
church, or you get a propheticword from somebody, whatever it
might be.
Don't just sit back and say,okay, that's wonderful, write it
down.
Be a good steward and watchwhat god will do and remember to
come open.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I think that's very important she mentioned a couple
times yeah, a couple times.
Come, come with an open heart.
Say God whatever you want to do, however you want to do it, I
just want you to intervene.
I want that healing, I wantthat deliverance.
Whatever you need to do, justcome open.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
So just get ready, even right now, just
prophetically, lift up yourhands and say something good is
going to happen for me.
I believe that something greatis going to happen in your life
next week.
Now we're going to be on beforethen because we've got
something we're going to getinto.
We want to really address thisthing.
I don't know, probably the nextfew days or so I'm going to try
to get see if we can get backon here quicker than normal.

(01:11:57):
Next Thursday we'll be backhere eight o'clock, but we want
to talk about this thing thathappened at the BET Awards with
Kirk Franklin and the stuffthat's been going on with a lot
of these ministers.
God has spoken to us aboutwhat's happening individually,
but together they're making thissermon, if you will, and it's
not going to be what you think.
We're not the people goingaround just bashing people over,

(01:12:19):
falling out or things.
There's enough of that going on.
But with everything thathappens, many times God uses
those platforms.
When something is exposed likethat, he's saying something.
He that hath an ear, let himhear what the Spirit of the Lord
is saying.
And God has been speaking to usprophetically that there is a

(01:12:39):
shift that is happening as aresult of what we saw at the BET
Awards.
That is not just a coincidence.
It was not just something thatjust happened.
It is a harbinger offoretelling something that is
happening and going to be coming.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
So we're going to talk about that, and we've got a
whole lot of other stuff thatwe're going to get into as well
but that's going to be coming upreal soon and I'm really
looking forward to talking aboutthat, because I think there are
certain things that, again,like you said, that the Lord
placed upon our heart.
That is for this now season.
I'm just going to share this,really this little bit, but you
know, one of the things that,one of the things that's been on

(01:13:15):
my heart, is that the Lorddeserves better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Amen, and we got to do better.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
We got to do better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
We got to do better y'all.
So keep a lookout for that.
And, like I said, we thank youall so much for your time.
Thank you for hanging out withus, thank you for being a part
of our family, thank you forjoining with us.
Don't forget 412-586-7159.
Text the word healing to thatnumber 412-586-7159.

(01:13:40):
It's coming up on your screenright now.
Text the word healing to thatso you can get registered and we
hope to see you there.
And if, for some reason, youcan't make it, we'll hope to see
you next time right here onDimensions.
God bless you and we'll be backvery, very soon.

(01:15:25):
Thank you, thank you.

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