September 12, 2025 • 32 mins
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Pastor J. Anthony Gilbert discusses the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk and its profound spiritual implications for America as a turning point for revival and awakening.
• The blood of martyrs has a covenant with the throne room of heaven
• Creating a "21st century Mount Carmel experience" where truth is defended in the public square
• Charlie Kirk's ministry encouraged pastors to stand for truth against cultural lies
• Historical parallels with martyrs like MLK, Lincoln, and Patrick Henry whose deaths led to freedom
• The significance of Charlie wearing a shirt that said "Freedom" when he died
• How martyrdom breeds compassion even among those who disagreed with the message
• The spirit of Jezebel aims to silence truth-bearers through fear and intimidation
• God's directive in this season: don't retaliate, don't retreat, return to God's Word
• The "7,000 who have not bowed to Baal" are being called forward in this hour
• The blood of martyrs cries out from the ground and God responds with revival
Don't miss our broadcasts Monday through Friday at 8:30 PM as we continue to share what God is saying in the prophetic during this crucial time for our nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
As you all know, there's been a lot going on in
the news surrounding CharlieKirk's death and there's been a
lot of revelation that God'sbeen dropping in my spirit.
Listen, you're not going towant to miss this.
I did a recording earlier todayat Cornerstone Television
Network.
That was all about therevelation that God gave me
about martyrdom, the blood,dealing with fear, the spirit of
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Jezebel and Elijah all of that.
Listen, I got all of thatcoming up and more here on
Dimension, so keep it locked.
I'll be right back right afterthis.
What's going on?
(00:45):
Everybody?
It's your boy, pastor J AnthonyGilbert, here.
I'm so excited to be with y'alland, listen, I am so pumped
about what you're about to getinto here today.
It is going to be so good.
You are going to be blessed bywhat it is that I've got to
share with you all today.
It's going to be awesome.
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have been sharing, we've beentalking about in regards to the
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assassination, but I don't wantto call it assassination.
I've been calling it themartyrdom of Charlie Kirk.
I believe it's a turning pointfor our nation and if you've
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I am coming to you live, sothen you can hear what God is
saying in the prophetic.
Now, and I want you to get inon everything.
Go back and check it out, butlisten, take a minute right now.
Do me this favor and go aheadand like, subscribe, follow,
share, do all of that good stuff, because what we're about to
(02:12):
get into is going to be ablessing to you, and I tell you
what you are gonna be so blessedby what I'm about to share with
you and basically I'm gonna betalking about how his death was
a turning point for our nation,and I had a sit down with the
one and only Sidney Goldman atCornerstone Television and I
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wanted to bring that to you, soI'm going to let you see the
whole episode today.
It's going to be awesome.
So stay tuned, check this out,and you are going to be blessed,
and I'll be back at the end togive you some insight and give
you some closing thoughts towhat happened on this episode.
Take a look at this.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
This is Rise Up and I'm just really grateful that my
dear friend, pastor Jay andThank you Albert, who is a dear
friend to the ministry You'veseen him on on hard questions
and different things of such onthis ministry.
And, pastor Jay, I know youhave a personal connection with
Charlie Crook's ministry, withTurning Point, and you have a
lot that God has put on yourheart to share.
So just share some of yourthoughts with us.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, you know we had .
First let me say thank you forhaving me on here.
It's an honor and a privilegeto be here and especially to
talk about this subject matter,and my wife and I had an
opportunity to go down toNashville.
They were holding one of theirevents and I didn't get a chance
to meet him personally, but Iwas connected with the ministry
and I've done events with someof their people.
Here in Pittsburgh put on TPUSA,bringing pastors together.
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We brought in Bishop PatrickWooden as some people may have
heard of Pastor John Amanchukwuthat is his son-in-law and we
brought him in about what was it?
A year and a half, two yearsago I can't remember exactly
when it was and connected withTPUSA, and they just were
encouraging pastors to stand fortruth.
They were saying, hey, listen,the devil's going to come in.
There's all these lies going ondealing with abortion, marriage
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, dealing with just any part oftruth that comes against the
culture, the lies that comeagainst culture.
Just stand up for truth andthey're just empowering,
equipping pastors.
And so we went there.
I remember Jensen Franklin spokethere.
There were so many differentpeople that we met.
There were people fromPittsburgh that were there,
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different pastors and it wasjust a great event, and I always
admired his willingness tostand for truth.
As you know, I'm one of thoseguys.
I'm like tell the truth andshame the devil.
That's why I believe I believewe've lived enough in the gray.
It's time for us now to call aspade a spade, even if they call
it hate or whatever it might be.
He was willing to pay theultimate price because he
believed in truth.
So it was so great to beconnected and I believe TPUSA,
it's best and blessed days arestill going to be out in front,
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because the worst thing you cando is kill and make someone a
martyr over their belief,because what it does is it
breeds compassion in otherpeople, and the word compassion
just simply means I suffer withyou.
So all the people that may havehated what Charlie Kirk stood
for now will maybe embrace himmore and even his message.
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I think a lot of people aregoing to tune in now.
They're going to get on and saywhat did he say, what did he do
?
And now that door is just goingto be wide open because of the
blood that was shed.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And you know, pastor Jay, that's something.
So I was, I've heard I was, Iheard of Charlie Kirk.
I didn't like follow him asclose as, like, I know he's
going to his events, but that'sexactly what I was able to do.
Where you know, I think, and welive in a world and a society
that, like you know, all you'llknow, I was, like it worked in
news and I was the one that cutthe soundbites and I know how
you know, when you're ajournalist, like there's certain
soundbites you can cut, canmake someone go this way or that
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way, but I think what the issueis is like there's a lot of
soundbites that are cut and thenyou just assume certain things
but you don't get the fullcontext of what someone is
saying.
So I went on and I was on TikTokand I started listening to the
things that I was saying.
I started like ingesting andI'm like, wow, you know, I think
there's because we're such apolitically charged country and
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we're so we put people over.
You're over here asconservative, you're liberal,
this we will miss whatsomebody's having to say.
Just it might rub you the wrongway.
Maybe sometimes the deliverydoesn't hit you right, but give
someone the opportunity just tospeak and to share what they
have to say and like I thinkit's really important that we
have to have public discourse inour nation.
Like that's a big, that's a bigthing.
Um, it's like the firstamendment, like free speech,
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that's a really huge thing.
So this moment is like this isit's an attack on free speech
and attack on public discord,but it's also, we see, it's like
the like, just you know, thespiritual attack.
That is well, but now more thanever, that's like as a kingdom,
we have to stand up and tospeak the truth, and sometimes
the truth it does hurt and it'sconvicting.
But I did see how he reachedpeople of all different
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backgrounds, all differentethnicities, and they were
asking him questions and theywere giving back.
I mean that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, you know, I believe that what he did, he
created a 21st century MountCarmel experience, which I
believe is what God is callingevery preacher, pastor and
believer to do in this day andhour.
He said prove me wrong.
What did Elijah do?
He went up on the top of MountCarmel.
He said listen, how long areyou going to halt between two
opinions?
We've been halting between twoopinions long enough, ladies and
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gentlemen.
We've been halting betweenthese two opinions for so long
now.
Is it right, is it left?
Is it Democrat, is itRepublican?
Is it tongues, not tongues?
How long are you going to haltbetween two opinions?
He'd bring everybody up and sayshey, you call upon your God,
I'm going to call upon my God.
Let the God who answers by firebe the one.
That is the true God.
And he gave people anopportunity, in a democracy like
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we live in, to share theirpoints, share their viewpoints.
He didn't have to agree withthem, and he didn't agree with a
lot of them.
Some of them he did, some ofthem he didn't, and he would
just combat them.
He'd go from different collegesand he was killed just for
simply having his own opinion,which I believe.
This, sidney, one of the thingsthat's happening right now is
people are going to start sayingI have my own truth.
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What if people don't agree withme?
Am I going to be the next oneto take a bullet?
Which I believe could really bea turning point, because now
people will start havingcompassion for one another and
their own truths.
We're not all going to see thesame.
We're not all going to believethe same, even in the church.
I mean there's a show we'redoing here, me and Pastor Ray
Heupel we did it's kind of likea theology throwdown, they call
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it.
Well, I don't believeeverything he believes.
He doesn't believe that and Ilove it.
I mean, we beat each other upbut we love each other at the
end, and I think that's what hewas trying to do with all of
these different people.
And I believe that now what'sgoing to happen is people are
going to start thinking you takea look how many people don't
agree with him that are nowhaving having compassion for him
and his family.
What does that do?
That opens up the talk, itopens up the discourse, it opens
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up all of these things for thegospel to come in.
So I think we are in a momentwhere, if we seize it the right
way, something supernatural canbreak because everybody's open
to saying maybe you should haveyour right to your own opinion.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and you know something you were just bringing
up about.
You know the different peoplebecause it's like we have heard
the extremes already and it'sit's very sad where it's like
this has just happened, likethere's a wife who just lost her
husband in front of her eyeswith her children.
That is horrific and I think,and even being sensitive enough
to be like okay, give them thespace to mourn and to grieve
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before we start spewing ouropinions.
Or certain people have likesaid, like the, the troll and
the hate that has come up, it's,it's actually, it's disgusting
and it hurts my heart that likethis is where we are.
And I was on Tik TOK and I wasI saw one of them, a podcaster.
That was like he said he wasnot for you know the things that
Charlie Kirk stood for, but hehad tears in his eyes because in
that moment of just seeing,like what happened, it's like
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what are we doing?
You know, as a country and aculture, and I think what you,
even to your point of and thisis something God has put on my
heart we have got to be able tosit and talk to one another.
If you do not agree with whatsomebody says, can you just go
and have a conversation, go outto eat, sit down, have
conversations.
I've done it a lot in my own,my own life of.
I may not understand or believewhat you believe, but when I
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start hearing about yourexperiences, that's what shapes
the way that we perceive, or thethoughts that we have, and I
think that's what's necessary,and, especially as Christians,
that we need to be the bridge.
We need to be the one to like.
I remember somebody said, likeI don't know anything about
building bridges, but you know,bridges are not built from the
middle.
You have to go from one side tothe other.
We have to be willing to go tothe other side.
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And I think, even as the body ofChrist one thing that God has
really put on my spirit wereally, really, really need to
stop labeling ourselves ascertain things that don't line
up biblically, like we're notconservative, we're not liberal,
we're not no, we're kingdom.
It's about his kingdom first,and so, yes, there's certain
things we can align with andagree with, but when you take on
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that full identity, then moreso than being a child of God and
being under King Jesus, there'sa problem and there's an error,
and I feel right now, the enemyis trying to have a field day
of getting the Christians tofight more together, then, yeah,
this is a time for the body ofChrist, like.
I've heard opinions on bothsides, but I'm like, what would
Jesus do in this moment, in thissituation?
That's what's important.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
He'd be concerned about, first of all, um, the
woman, uh, that is left to be awidow, and the fatherlessness,
the strangers, the orphans andthe widows.
I mean you take a look at thisnow.
They don't have a father.
They'll never know their father.
Think about how people areposting things online.
Think about what's going to.
Those kids will have to livetheir father's death for the
rest of their life.
Things that go online never goaway.
I mean they're there foreverunless they remove them.
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So those kids are going to.
I mean he'd be concerned aboutthat.
He'd be concerned about peoplethat are affected by it.
Whether people realize that.
He would be concerned aboutevery single person involved,
even the shooter.
He'd be concerned about that.
He would feel bad for it, buthis heart would still be
redemptive in everything.
And I think that's the bigthing.
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God gave me three things he saidtell the people in this season.
Number one you're not toretaliate.
Number two you're not toretreat.
And then number three we are toreturn back to the Word of God
and to the things of God, to geta kingdom perspective, and I
think one of the things thedevil wants us to do is to
retreat in this season.
I really believe that, even ifyou take remember the story when
Elijah went up on Mark Carmelafter he defeated those prophets
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, what happened?
Jezebel's voice got sent outand she said to him I'm remember
uh, uh, was Tiffany?
Montgomery said they hung theslaves there.
So then it would instill fearin them and they would begin to
retreat.
Don't think about trying toescape, don't think about this
is going to happen to you.
And that's what Jezebel did toElijah.
She said I'm going to make youlike one of those prophets.
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So she called for his blood.
But this is the powerful thingand I want everyone to grasp
this right now that I believethat there is an anointing to
bring down the lying Jezebelspirit, the lies that have been
out.
There's an anointing and thedevil is on the run.
I believe that with all of myheart and I believe, if the
church will rise up, we will beable to bring down the lies,
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because something is happeningin America right now that if the
church rises up, the fear isgonna dissipate and what's going
to happen is the word of Godand the truth of God is going to
find a place.
Think about the greatest timesfor a revival, for people to
give their lives to the Lord.
Is it a funeral?
Because we're all looking atour own morbidity, we start
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realizing, you know what I'm notgoing to be alive forever, you
know.
You start looking at things alittle bit differently and I
believe that that Jezebel spirit, that lying spirit, that
fearful spirit, god doesn't wantus to retreat.
He wants us to go into thequarters of the doomed and the
damned.
He wants us to begin to standup for truth.
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And I believe and this is what'samazing when Elijah ran into
the cave, he did not realize hewas possessing the anointing to
destroy the very lie that wascoming against him.
She prophesied Elijah, I'mgoing to kill you.
God spoke to him in the caveand says you're going to go
anoint Elisha, you're going toanoint Jehu and you're going to
anoint Hazael.
And he said whoever escapes, Imight have them out of order.
Elisha escapes Hazael, or well,hazael will kill.
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And whoever escapes Hazael,jehu will kill.
He said every person that wasarranged against Elijah would be
destroyed.
And I believe, in this day andhour, we do not need to walk in
fear, because the anointing ofGod is invading the church and I
believe there are 7,000, justlike Tiffany mentioned, that are
rising up, that are gonna go inand be truth bearers in this
season.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And this is so, so beautiful.
It's like and I know we weretalking in the green room is
just like the revelation thatGod was giving about, like how
their blood, like his blood,cries out and like this and it's
a seed, and really this is aturning point.
Like no pun intended, you know,no, just like with his ministry
.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
All pun, all pun.
Yeah, I'm like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's what I, literally, in my spirit and God,
was like this is a turningpoint and even prophetically,
like where we are.
So you know, like we're in theHebrew calendar, we're in the
month of Elul, which is the lastmonth before we hit Rosh
Hashanah, which is the newHebrew year.
5, 7, 8, 6 is what's coming,and so this, the significance of
it all, of like what's going onand the turning point that's
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happening, because now we allare, our eyes are like shifting
to this.
I'm like, okay, there'ssomething we can, we can all
feel it.
You know, we can all um sense it.
And you know, one thing I wantto share, um, thank you, god,
just bring it back to memory.
For me is I was actually inFlorida, um, last week and God
told me he spoke to me.
Go to Florida.
There's an incredible woman ofGod named Dr Cynthia Thompson.
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I was called the apostolicintensive and it was just
apostolic voices speaking tolike where we are now, like
what's happening, what's goingon?
A lot of prophecy and ApostleJoshua Giles is there and I on
Friday, and this and thishappened.
And he started in the midst ofhis message.
He said I just really sensethat something's about to come
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to America, something's about tohappen, and we have got to pray
.
And I remember on Friday nightthere was hundreds that we would
just started interceding forthe nation because he's like
something's coming, likesomething's about to happen.
But if we intercede now, justreally feel God's, it's going to
make it.
You know, less than boat and um, and so it's interesting now,
just like days later, I justremember I was sitting, I was
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like, oh my gosh, sometimes wedon't know what we ought to pray
or that intercession and to goin, but we are in those times.
It's exactly what you're sayingof like this is a time for the
church to return, return toprayer, return to the presence
of God and to get you know intel, like divine insight of what is
coming.
Because this is like, just likeeven she was saying and like, um
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, even Isaiah Salvador, it'slike this is a wake up moment.
This is like literally wake up,wake up what's going on, come up
higher and we have to literallylike what I and I'm working in
news media and I see this and Ican say this, and I say it with
all respect, I love journalism,I loved working in the news, but
one thing that is breaks myheart is a sensationalism and
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what's been happening, andthere's a lot of journalists
that have left the businessbecause it isn't, um, you know,
you know it's not the same ofwhat we first got into.
And I think what breaks my heartis like we've got to get to a
place where we listen to oneanother, we hear one another,
but we listen first to what Godis saying.
You cannot, sometimes you canget so tied in your own place
and your emotions that you willmiss the very thing that God is
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speaking in this moment, and soI just encourage all of you, no
matter what side you are on, nomatter if you were a fan of
Charlie Kirk's or not.
This is not the moment that weare going in over that.
It is the moment to literallyheed the voice of the Holy
Spirit, to pray for our nationand our country and, just like
you said, the revelation Godgave me about the seed of him
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going to the ground in revival.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, you know, I want to also piggyback off what
you just said.
There.
There's a scripture that God'sgiven me that I've been really
digging into more and more thisyear than I ever had before, and
it's 1 Corinthians, chapter 2.
And I think it's so apropos toshare this with this moment.
You know, because when Elijahwas in the cave and Jezebel said
she was going to kill him, heretreated, went into fear.
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But what happened?
The spirit of the Lord cameupon him.
He wrapped his face in themantle, and then what A still
small voice.
And those of you that arewatching, this is a season to
become still and a season tobecome small.
You can't get God's still smallvoice if you're moving and
you're too large, if too much isgoing on.
The earthquake had to pass, thewind had to pass, the fire had
to pass, but then what the stillsmall voice?
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Why?
Because, even though he wasafraid, the word of the Lord is
coming.
And I'm telling you, all of youthat are worried about fear and
all of these things listen, godhas a word for you, and this is
what I wanna go to.
1 Corinthians 2, verse 6 sayshowever, we speak wisdom among
those who are mature.
So that means the wisdom of Godhas to come to people that are
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mature yet, not the wisdom ofthis age.
So we can't look at everythingthrough the natural eye and the
natural.
You can't look at CNN and MSNBCand Fox News or wherever you
get your news from and saythat's what I'm going to get.
He said no, no.
Nor the rulers of this age knewwho are coming to nothing.
But we speak the wisdom of God.
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I hear what I want to get,speaking of Charlie Kirk.
This is where it goes on,though.
It says, but as it is written,I has not seen physical ear,
physical ear has not heard, norhas it entered the heart of man,
the things that God hasprepared for those who love him.
But God has revealed them untous by his spirit.
So what we have to do is, inthis situation, not looking at
it through the natural, notlooking at it through our
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emotions, but to get into thepresence of God and say Lord,
what are you saying to me inthis hour?
Whenever something major likethis happened, when blood is
spilled like this, the voice ofthat blood cries out to the
ground.
We saw it with Abel.
Jesus's blood still speaks inthe heavenlies today, every
person.
If you look in the scripturewhen they were martyred,
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something supernatural happened.
There's a covenant that God haswith the blood.
You look at Revelation in themartyrs.
I believe it was Revelationchapter 16.
It talks about how the blood ofall the martyrs were crying out
to God.
How long before you will avengeus?
And God speaks and there's acovenant between the blood of a
martyr and the throne room ofheaven.
And so I believe in this season, charlie Kirk's blood is crying
out to the Father and we'regoing to begin to see a move and
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a shift.
And this is the reason why wehave to position our hearts to
hear from heaven, because, asthe blood was spilled and it
cries out now, we have topetition heaven to say heaven,
what are you doing in the earth?
God is not going to allow thisto be in vain.
Just how the Bible says that ifthe devil would have known he
was crucified in the Lord ofglory, he wouldn't have done it.
Well, so what happened?
He had to get the mind ofChrist.
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That's why the Bible says Jesussaid who, for the joy that was
set before him, he endured thecross and despised the shame
because he saw on the other side.
If we can get a glimpse, sydney, of what God is getting ready
to do in the earth, we will seethis thing and we'll be able to
identify the way God sees it andit'll bring him all the honor,
the glory and the praise.
And I believe that we're goingto see a revival.
We are going to see a boldnesscome up for truth like we have
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never seen before, and I thinkpeople are ready to be open to
it because of the blood that wasspilled.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And you know, one thing I want you to even go into
, because I remember we talkedbackstage about like so we look
at the different assassinationsof like MLK.
You mentioned something aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Can you go into that for just a moment?
Yeah, yeah.
So if you take a look at MLK,when he died, from that point on
in 68, there was a major moveand also even the president was
involved.
If you remember, it was Johnson, president, johnson, elson, he
said, and then he signed the actinto order which allowed even
greater freedom to BlackAmericans.
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You take a look at RFK, jfk,all of those when those blood
were spilled.
That was the turning point inthe 60s.
It was the darkest time.
But after that things happened.
Within 50 years we have a Blackpresident or sit on the front
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side of the bus to running themost and living in the most
powerful position in the worldbecause of blood that was shed.
Abraham Lincoln, another one.
Who was the one back in the day?
I can't remember the name.
Off the top of my head it saidgive me liberty or give me death
.
Who was it?
It was Henry.
His last name was Henry.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh my gosh, I'm like my history Patrick Henry,
patrick Henry.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Thank you, when his blood was.
We go back to that.
There is a covenant, sidney,with the blood Abel.
I talked about that earlier andso with all of those people
there was always a turning point.
I don't know what happens, butI just know there is a covenant
with the blood, that Godresponds, and when somebody dies
for what they believe which iswhy I tell people this, I don't
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say politically assassinated, Idon't say politically killed, I
said he was a martyr.
Why that gives spiritualsignificance to it, and it's the
first that I'm aware of and Idon't know if you know anybody
else the first American martyrthat I'm aware of in our
generation and on any of our.
I don't know anybody that diedfor their faith, and so this is
a major.
So think about what happened,the freedom that came to black
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Americans.
What's the freedom, my good God?
I feel self-honest right now.
That's getting ready to come tothe truth.
Is there a freedom that's beingunlocked with the truth?
And this fear that's coming outis the last bastion of
resistance, because there's arevelation and an anointing of
truth that is going to go outand annihilate every lie that
Jezebel has set up.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh, glory gem, drop right there.
Because I think it's like youknow, who the sun sets free is
free indeed, and I just thinkabout that and one of my
favorite scriptures and youshall know the truth, shall know
the truth, and the truth shallset you free.
And I think a lot of times youknow, going back to like in our
cultures, like, well, this is mytruth, this is what I feel,
(23:11):
that truth.
But when you go to the truth ofJesus and what he spoke, and
you go to the truth of the word,there's a freedom that comes to
that, there's a.
I mean, you like what?
And I'm just going to go herefor a moment of um, because I'll
say this is ask anybody else,okay, any other religions.
I'm just going to keep it allthe way real that I've been in
sessions, I've been in meetingswhere you speak the word of God
and demons come out in the nameof Jesus.
(23:31):
That's truth, that'sdeliverance, you know what I
mean and so I just think I'vebeen.
When you see the power of theword, this isn't just something
that's like, this isn't just ina belief, Like I don't just
believe this.
I know this because I'veencountered it, I've experienced
it.
You know there's somethingabout the word of God.
He is the word that becameflesh, jesus.
And when you encounter him andyou meet him face to face,
(23:53):
whatever it may be in thepresence of God, or you have a
vision or a dream, when youexperience that kind of love, my
God, it just you become radicalof thinking.
You look at in the Bible, weread these stories and you know
we read the gospels, read acts,all these things.
If it was playing out nowadayswhat would we be thinking Like I
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mean, we have news, we havemedia, we would, it would
probably it's like you can seewhy it was so controversial.
You know what I mean.
Like this day of age, like Ifeel like we're living, you're
seeing, like the book of actsand things like taking place in
front of us, which is exciting.
But it's also one thing.
I heard Dr Cynthia Thompson.
She shared this on the lastepisode of the Glory Hour.
But a lot of people we'recrying out for revival, we're
crying out for glory, but glorybrings fire.
Glory brings shaking, glorybrings changing.
(24:36):
That's what it is.
And as we are getting closer toJesus coming back, there's
going to be greater shakings.
There's going to be greaterthings that are going to happen.
No-transcript.
Are we willing to die for whatwe believe?
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Are we willing to literally laydown our lives for this?
We hear it in other countriesand you look in Africa, you look
in Asia and the Middle Eastpeople are dying for what they
believe in.
Are we ready for that?
Are we willing to say you knowwhat all for Jesus like, no
matter what happens and it'sscary to say at times because we
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don't want to think about thatbut if I really, really say that
I'm a Christian and I'm for thekingdom, I have to be willing
to lay down my life foreverything for him, and it's
worth it.
And so I just I'm just likefeeling like God on this and I
just I just feel like Pastor Jay, just like a moment.
Do you want to pray?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Can I share something real quickly, though?
One other thing I want tomention.
It just came to me.
You know we were talking aboutthe blood piece.
There's something very profound, there's a revelation in this
that God is brewing in me, andyou know the shirt that he had
on.
You know what it said on hisshirt.
What?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
does it say Freedom?
Oh, it did say freedom Nowwatch this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
When Jesus died, what did he do?
He set people free, gandhi,when he was martyred.
Freedom came.
Dr King, freedom came.
Abraham Lincoln, freedom came.
Patrick Henry, freedom came.
Charlie Kirk died.
Freedom's coming, I don't know.
Let freedom ring.
That's what I sense in myspirit right now, that there's a
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freedom when blood is shed,there's freedom that comes and I
believe there's a freedom tothe 7,000.
There are people, and I believeeven people watching right now
that God is getting ready tocall you to the forefront.
You have been equipped.
I believe this with all of myheart.
There are people that arelistening and watching right now
that you have been prepared forsuch a time as this and this is
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the reason why you will notretreat, you will not go back,
because there is an anointinggetting ready to come upon your
life, upon your ministry, uponyour business, upon your future.
That freedom is coming and Godis getting ready to take the
Josephs out of prison andrelease them into the place that
he's prepared them for, butalso what's been prepared for
them.
And I believe God is gettingready to bring the two together,
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sidney, and I sense in myspirit that supernatural freedom
is coming, the freedom fortruth is coming back, the
freedom for the unborn.
It's coming back.
I believe we're getting readyto see this awakening that is
getting ready to be releasedbecause of the blood that is
crying out at this hour.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And you know, when you just said this, he's like
y'all, he and I, we just go ping, ping, ping, ping, ping like
the popcorn.
Because you know, once that'ssomething that has just recently
happened.
When you were speaking, godgave me an image here in
Pennsylvania.
The new license plates.
Have you seen them?
It says let freedom ring.
I kid you, and I'm like, and Iknow it's like Pennsylvania,
(27:34):
there's all like there newlicense plates, because I was
like I started seeing them and Iknow I know one of our
coworkers here like their car,like it says let freedom ring.
And you're starting to see it.
But this is so let freedom ringout.
And it's only through Jesus,it's through Jesus that we
experience true freedom.
And our heart is, and I knowfor all of us, is that you would
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know Jesus.
Yeah, you would know Jesus Well.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that you've been blessed
by that.
And listen, let me tell yousomething God is really, really
moving.
There's such an anointing onthat time there and I hope that
you were really blessed by that,which it is, that was just
shared.
I really felt something on that.
I really wanted to share thatwith you all because I really
(28:28):
believe that God was doingsomething with that and I wanted
you to be able to participatein it and to be able to
experience that and just to hearthe revelation.
And I want you to realize,first of all, God doesn't want
you walking in a spirit of fear.
God wants you walking in power,love and a sound mind.
Don't be afraid.
(28:49):
I believe that the spirit offear, Jezebel's lying voice
trying to get all of the spiritsof Elijah to go back into the
cave, Listen, that spirit is onthe run.
I believe something has beenbirthed out in the earth.
Whenever the blood of martyrsis shed, Remember the blood of
martyrs has a covenant with thethrone room of God.
God said to Cain your brotherAbel's blood crieth out to me
(29:13):
from the ground.
Jesus' blood.
If you look in, Hebrew says theblood still speaks of greater
things, the blood has a voice.
In Revelation I believe it ischapter 16, the Bible talks
about how the blood of martyrsand they keep crying out would
you avenge our blood?
And I believe Charlie's voiceis crying out, the voice of his
(29:34):
blood is crying out to theFather, and I believe that
something is coming into theearth, and so I hope this has
been a blessing to you just tobring some encouragement into
your life, and I just want topray for you that God's hand
would be mighty upon your life,and I want you to realize that
God loves you.
He's not angry with you.
He's on your side.
The best is yet to come.
(29:54):
Don't be afraid.
I'm telling you what God hasgot some awesome things in store
, and the devil is terrified andthe devil is on the run in
Jesus name.
So I just want you to beencouraged right now.
So, Father, I pray for everyperson watching.
I thank you, Father God.
We lift up Charlie Kirk's wifeto you again.
We just pray your blessing uponher, Father God, even as
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tonight she's going to besharing just things, whatever
speech that she's going to giveher first remarks in just a
little over 48 hours, and I praythat your grace and strength
would be upon her.
I pray that you'd bless her andanoint her in the name of Jesus
and Lord.
I pray that you would blessyour people, surround your
people with your glory.
Let your anointing be upon them, strengthen them, bless them,
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build them up, edify them andencourage them.
And, Lord, may we continue tokeep on moving forward.
Father, and I pray that youwould get the glory, you would
get the honor and you would getthe praise for all things.
Work together for the good ofthem that love the Lord and to
them that are called accordingto his purpose.
And Father, we thank you givingyou the praise, the honor and
all the glory.
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Amen, amen, amen.
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As you all know, there's been a lot going on in
the news surrounding CharlieKirk's death and there's been a
lot of revelation that God'sbeen dropping in my spirit.
Listen, you're not going towant to miss this.
I did a recording earlier todayat Cornerstone Television
Network.
That was all about therevelation that God gave me
about martyrdom, the blood,dealing with fear, the spirit of
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Jezebel and Elijah all of that.
Listen, I got all of thatcoming up and more here on
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a turning point for our nation,and I had a sit down with the
one and only Sidney Goldman atCornerstone Television and I
(02:32):
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So stay tuned, check this out,and you are going to be blessed,
and I'll be back at the end togive you some insight and give
you some closing thoughts towhat happened on this episode.
Take a look at this.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
This is Rise Up and I'm just really grateful that my
dear friend, pastor Jay andThank you Albert, who is a dear
friend to the ministry You'veseen him on on hard questions
and different things of such onthis ministry.
And, pastor Jay, I know youhave a personal connection with
Charlie Crook's ministry, withTurning Point, and you have a
lot that God has put on yourheart to share.
So just share some of yourthoughts with us.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, you know we had .
First let me say thank you forhaving me on here.
It's an honor and a privilegeto be here and especially to
talk about this subject matter,and my wife and I had an
opportunity to go down toNashville.
They were holding one of theirevents and I didn't get a chance
to meet him personally, but Iwas connected with the ministry
and I've done events with someof their people.
Here in Pittsburgh put on TPUSA,bringing pastors together.
(03:30):
We brought in Bishop PatrickWooden as some people may have
heard of Pastor John Amanchukwuthat is his son-in-law and we
brought him in about what was it?
A year and a half, two yearsago I can't remember exactly
when it was and connected withTPUSA, and they just were
encouraging pastors to stand fortruth.
They were saying, hey, listen,the devil's going to come in.
There's all these lies going ondealing with abortion, marriage
(03:53):
, dealing with just any part oftruth that comes against the
culture, the lies that comeagainst culture.
Just stand up for truth andthey're just empowering,
equipping pastors.
And so we went there.
I remember Jensen Franklin spokethere.
There were so many differentpeople that we met.
There were people fromPittsburgh that were there,
(04:14):
different pastors and it wasjust a great event, and I always
admired his willingness tostand for truth.
As you know, I'm one of thoseguys.
I'm like tell the truth andshame the devil.
That's why I believe I believewe've lived enough in the gray.
It's time for us now to call aspade a spade, even if they call
it hate or whatever it might be.
He was willing to pay theultimate price because he
believed in truth.
So it was so great to beconnected and I believe TPUSA,
it's best and blessed days arestill going to be out in front,
(04:35):
because the worst thing you cando is kill and make someone a
martyr over their belief,because what it does is it
breeds compassion in otherpeople, and the word compassion
just simply means I suffer withyou.
So all the people that may havehated what Charlie Kirk stood
for now will maybe embrace himmore and even his message.
(04:56):
I think a lot of people aregoing to tune in now.
They're going to get on and saywhat did he say, what did he do
?
And now that door is just goingto be wide open because of the
blood that was shed.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And you know, pastor Jay, that's something.
So I was, I've heard I was, Iheard of Charlie Kirk.
I didn't like follow him asclose as, like, I know he's
going to his events, but that'sexactly what I was able to do.
Where you know, I think, and welive in a world and a society
that, like you know, all you'llknow, I was, like it worked in
news and I was the one that cutthe soundbites and I know how
you know, when you're ajournalist, like there's certain
soundbites you can cut, canmake someone go this way or that
(05:28):
way, but I think what the issueis is like there's a lot of
soundbites that are cut and thenyou just assume certain things
but you don't get the fullcontext of what someone is
saying.
So I went on and I was on TikTokand I started listening to the
things that I was saying.
I started like ingesting andI'm like, wow, you know, I think
there's because we're such apolitically charged country and
(05:48):
we're so we put people over.
You're over here asconservative, you're liberal,
this we will miss whatsomebody's having to say.
Just it might rub you the wrongway.
Maybe sometimes the deliverydoesn't hit you right, but give
someone the opportunity just tospeak and to share what they
have to say and like I thinkit's really important that we
have to have public discourse inour nation.
Like that's a big, that's a bigthing.
Um, it's like the firstamendment, like free speech,
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that's a really huge thing.
So this moment is like this isit's an attack on free speech
and attack on public discord,but it's also, we see, it's like
the like, just you know, thespiritual attack.
That is well, but now more thanever, that's like as a kingdom,
we have to stand up and tospeak the truth, and sometimes
the truth it does hurt and it'sconvicting.
But I did see how he reachedpeople of all different
(06:32):
backgrounds, all differentethnicities, and they were
asking him questions and theywere giving back.
I mean that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, you know, I believe that what he did, he
created a 21st century MountCarmel experience, which I
believe is what God is callingevery preacher, pastor and
believer to do in this day andhour.
He said prove me wrong.
What did Elijah do?
He went up on the top of MountCarmel.
He said listen, how long areyou going to halt between two
opinions?
We've been halting between twoopinions long enough, ladies and
(06:58):
gentlemen.
We've been halting betweenthese two opinions for so long
now.
Is it right, is it left?
Is it Democrat, is itRepublican?
Is it tongues, not tongues?
How long are you going to haltbetween two opinions?
He'd bring everybody up and sayshey, you call upon your God,
I'm going to call upon my God.
Let the God who answers by firebe the one.
That is the true God.
And he gave people anopportunity, in a democracy like
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we live in, to share theirpoints, share their viewpoints.
He didn't have to agree withthem, and he didn't agree with a
lot of them.
Some of them he did, some ofthem he didn't, and he would
just combat them.
He'd go from different collegesand he was killed just for
simply having his own opinion,which I believe.
This, sidney, one of the thingsthat's happening right now is
people are going to start sayingI have my own truth.
(07:41):
What if people don't agree withme?
Am I going to be the next oneto take a bullet?
Which I believe could really bea turning point, because now
people will start havingcompassion for one another and
their own truths.
We're not all going to see thesame.
We're not all going to believethe same, even in the church.
I mean there's a show we'redoing here, me and Pastor Ray
Heupel we did it's kind of likea theology throwdown, they call
(08:04):
it.
Well, I don't believeeverything he believes.
He doesn't believe that and Ilove it.
I mean, we beat each other upbut we love each other at the
end, and I think that's what hewas trying to do with all of
these different people.
And I believe that now what'sgoing to happen is people are
going to start thinking you takea look how many people don't
agree with him that are nowhaving having compassion for him
and his family.
What does that do?
That opens up the talk, itopens up the discourse, it opens
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up all of these things for thegospel to come in.
So I think we are in a momentwhere, if we seize it the right
way, something supernatural canbreak because everybody's open
to saying maybe you should haveyour right to your own opinion.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and you know something you were just bringing
up about.
You know the different peoplebecause it's like we have heard
the extremes already and it'sit's very sad where it's like
this has just happened, likethere's a wife who just lost her
husband in front of her eyeswith her children.
That is horrific and I think,and even being sensitive enough
to be like okay, give them thespace to mourn and to grieve
(09:00):
before we start spewing ouropinions.
Or certain people have likesaid, like the, the troll and
the hate that has come up, it's,it's actually, it's disgusting
and it hurts my heart that likethis is where we are.
And I was on Tik TOK and I wasI saw one of them, a podcaster.
That was like he said he wasnot for you know the things that
Charlie Kirk stood for, but hehad tears in his eyes because in
that moment of just seeing,like what happened, it's like
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what are we doing?
You know, as a country and aculture, and I think what you,
even to your point of and thisis something God has put on my
heart we have got to be able tosit and talk to one another.
If you do not agree with whatsomebody says, can you just go
and have a conversation, go outto eat, sit down, have
conversations.
I've done it a lot in my own,my own life of.
I may not understand or believewhat you believe, but when I
(09:44):
start hearing about yourexperiences, that's what shapes
the way that we perceive, or thethoughts that we have, and I
think that's what's necessary,and, especially as Christians,
that we need to be the bridge.
We need to be the one to like.
I remember somebody said, likeI don't know anything about
building bridges, but you know,bridges are not built from the
middle.
You have to go from one side tothe other.
We have to be willing to go tothe other side.
(10:06):
And I think, even as the body ofChrist one thing that God has
really put on my spirit wereally, really, really need to
stop labeling ourselves ascertain things that don't line
up biblically, like we're notconservative, we're not liberal,
we're not no, we're kingdom.
It's about his kingdom first,and so, yes, there's certain
things we can align with andagree with, but when you take on
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that full identity, then moreso than being a child of God and
being under King Jesus, there'sa problem and there's an error,
and I feel right now, the enemyis trying to have a field day
of getting the Christians tofight more together, then, yeah,
this is a time for the body ofChrist, like.
I've heard opinions on bothsides, but I'm like, what would
Jesus do in this moment, in thissituation?
That's what's important.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
He'd be concerned about, first of all, um, the
woman, uh, that is left to be awidow, and the fatherlessness,
the strangers, the orphans andthe widows.
I mean you take a look at thisnow.
They don't have a father.
They'll never know their father.
Think about how people areposting things online.
Think about what's going to.
Those kids will have to livetheir father's death for the
rest of their life.
Things that go online never goaway.
I mean they're there foreverunless they remove them.
(11:08):
So those kids are going to.
I mean he'd be concerned aboutthat.
He'd be concerned about peoplethat are affected by it.
Whether people realize that.
He would be concerned aboutevery single person involved,
even the shooter.
He'd be concerned about that.
He would feel bad for it, buthis heart would still be
redemptive in everything.
And I think that's the bigthing.
(11:28):
God gave me three things he saidtell the people in this season.
Number one you're not toretaliate.
Number two you're not toretreat.
And then number three we are toreturn back to the Word of God
and to the things of God, to geta kingdom perspective, and I
think one of the things thedevil wants us to do is to
retreat in this season.
I really believe that, even ifyou take remember the story when
Elijah went up on Mark Carmelafter he defeated those prophets
(11:51):
, what happened?
Jezebel's voice got sent outand she said to him I'm remember
uh, uh, was Tiffany?
Montgomery said they hung theslaves there.
So then it would instill fearin them and they would begin to
retreat.
Don't think about trying toescape, don't think about this
is going to happen to you.
And that's what Jezebel did toElijah.
She said I'm going to make youlike one of those prophets.
(12:11):
So she called for his blood.
But this is the powerful thingand I want everyone to grasp
this right now that I believethat there is an anointing to
bring down the lying Jezebelspirit, the lies that have been
out.
There's an anointing and thedevil is on the run.
I believe that with all of myheart and I believe, if the
church will rise up, we will beable to bring down the lies,
(12:34):
because something is happeningin America right now that if the
church rises up, the fear isgonna dissipate and what's going
to happen is the word of Godand the truth of God is going to
find a place.
Think about the greatest timesfor a revival, for people to
give their lives to the Lord.
Is it a funeral?
Because we're all looking atour own morbidity, we start
(12:55):
realizing, you know what I'm notgoing to be alive forever, you
know.
You start looking at things alittle bit differently and I
believe that that Jezebel spirit, that lying spirit, that
fearful spirit, god doesn't wantus to retreat.
He wants us to go into thequarters of the doomed and the
damned.
He wants us to begin to standup for truth.
(13:15):
And I believe and this is what'samazing when Elijah ran into
the cave, he did not realize hewas possessing the anointing to
destroy the very lie that wascoming against him.
She prophesied Elijah, I'mgoing to kill you.
God spoke to him in the caveand says you're going to go
anoint Elisha, you're going toanoint Jehu and you're going to
anoint Hazael.
And he said whoever escapes, Imight have them out of order.
Elisha escapes Hazael, or well,hazael will kill.
(13:36):
And whoever escapes Hazael,jehu will kill.
He said every person that wasarranged against Elijah would be
destroyed.
And I believe, in this day andhour, we do not need to walk in
fear, because the anointing ofGod is invading the church and I
believe there are 7,000, justlike Tiffany mentioned, that are
rising up, that are gonna go inand be truth bearers in this
season.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And this is so, so beautiful.
It's like and I know we weretalking in the green room is
just like the revelation thatGod was giving about, like how
their blood, like his blood,cries out and like this and it's
a seed, and really this is aturning point.
Like no pun intended, you know,no, just like with his ministry
.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
All pun, all pun.
Yeah, I'm like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's what I, literally, in my spirit and God,
was like this is a turningpoint and even prophetically,
like where we are.
So you know, like we're in theHebrew calendar, we're in the
month of Elul, which is the lastmonth before we hit Rosh
Hashanah, which is the newHebrew year.
5, 7, 8, 6 is what's coming,and so this, the significance of
it all, of like what's going onand the turning point that's
(14:38):
happening, because now we allare, our eyes are like shifting
to this.
I'm like, okay, there'ssomething we can, we can all
feel it.
You know, we can all um sense it.
And you know, one thing I wantto share, um, thank you, god,
just bring it back to memory.
For me is I was actually inFlorida, um, last week and God
told me he spoke to me.
Go to Florida.
There's an incredible woman ofGod named Dr Cynthia Thompson.
(14:58):
I was called the apostolicintensive and it was just
apostolic voices speaking tolike where we are now, like
what's happening, what's goingon?
A lot of prophecy and ApostleJoshua Giles is there and I on
Friday, and this and thishappened.
And he started in the midst ofhis message.
He said I just really sensethat something's about to come
(15:18):
to America, something's about tohappen, and we have got to pray
.
And I remember on Friday nightthere was hundreds that we would
just started interceding forthe nation because he's like
something's coming, likesomething's about to happen.
But if we intercede now, justreally feel God's, it's going to
make it.
You know, less than boat and um, and so it's interesting now,
just like days later, I justremember I was sitting, I was
(15:39):
like, oh my gosh, sometimes wedon't know what we ought to pray
or that intercession and to goin, but we are in those times.
It's exactly what you're sayingof like this is a time for the
church to return, return toprayer, return to the presence
of God and to get you know intel, like divine insight of what is
coming.
Because this is like, just likeeven she was saying and like, um
(15:59):
, even Isaiah Salvador, it'slike this is a wake up moment.
This is like literally wake up,wake up what's going on, come up
higher and we have to literallylike what I and I'm working in
news media and I see this and Ican say this, and I say it with
all respect, I love journalism,I loved working in the news, but
one thing that is breaks myheart is a sensationalism and
(16:20):
what's been happening, andthere's a lot of journalists
that have left the businessbecause it isn't, um, you know,
you know it's not the same ofwhat we first got into.
And I think what breaks my heartis like we've got to get to a
place where we listen to oneanother, we hear one another,
but we listen first to what Godis saying.
You cannot, sometimes you canget so tied in your own place
and your emotions that you willmiss the very thing that God is
(16:42):
speaking in this moment, and soI just encourage all of you, no
matter what side you are on, nomatter if you were a fan of
Charlie Kirk's or not.
This is not the moment that weare going in over that.
It is the moment to literallyheed the voice of the Holy
Spirit, to pray for our nationand our country and, just like
you said, the revelation Godgave me about the seed of him
(17:03):
going to the ground in revival.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, you know, I want to also piggyback off what
you just said.
There.
There's a scripture that God'sgiven me that I've been really
digging into more and more thisyear than I ever had before, and
it's 1 Corinthians, chapter 2.
And I think it's so apropos toshare this with this moment.
You know, because when Elijahwas in the cave and Jezebel said
she was going to kill him, heretreated, went into fear.
(17:26):
But what happened?
The spirit of the Lord cameupon him.
He wrapped his face in themantle, and then what A still
small voice.
And those of you that arewatching, this is a season to
become still and a season tobecome small.
You can't get God's still smallvoice if you're moving and
you're too large, if too much isgoing on.
The earthquake had to pass, thewind had to pass, the fire had
to pass, but then what the stillsmall voice?
(17:48):
Why?
Because, even though he wasafraid, the word of the Lord is
coming.
And I'm telling you, all of youthat are worried about fear and
all of these things listen, godhas a word for you, and this is
what I wanna go to.
1 Corinthians 2, verse 6 sayshowever, we speak wisdom among
those who are mature.
So that means the wisdom of Godhas to come to people that are
(18:08):
mature yet, not the wisdom ofthis age.
So we can't look at everythingthrough the natural eye and the
natural.
You can't look at CNN and MSNBCand Fox News or wherever you
get your news from and saythat's what I'm going to get.
He said no, no.
Nor the rulers of this age knewwho are coming to nothing.
But we speak the wisdom of God.
(18:39):
I hear what I want to get,speaking of Charlie Kirk.
This is where it goes on,though.
It says, but as it is written,I has not seen physical ear,
physical ear has not heard, norhas it entered the heart of man,
the things that God hasprepared for those who love him.
But God has revealed them untous by his spirit.
So what we have to do is, inthis situation, not looking at
it through the natural, notlooking at it through our
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emotions, but to get into thepresence of God and say Lord,
what are you saying to me inthis hour?
Whenever something major likethis happened, when blood is
spilled like this, the voice ofthat blood cries out to the
ground.
We saw it with Abel.
Jesus's blood still speaks inthe heavenlies today, every
person.
If you look in the scripturewhen they were martyred,
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something supernatural happened.
There's a covenant that God haswith the blood.
You look at Revelation in themartyrs.
I believe it was Revelationchapter 16.
It talks about how the blood ofall the martyrs were crying out
to God.
How long before you will avengeus?
And God speaks and there's acovenant between the blood of a
martyr and the throne room ofheaven.
And so I believe in this season, charlie Kirk's blood is crying
out to the Father and we'regoing to begin to see a move and
(19:44):
a shift.
And this is the reason why wehave to position our hearts to
hear from heaven, because, asthe blood was spilled and it
cries out now, we have topetition heaven to say heaven,
what are you doing in the earth?
God is not going to allow thisto be in vain.
Just how the Bible says that ifthe devil would have known he
was crucified in the Lord ofglory, he wouldn't have done it.
Well, so what happened?
He had to get the mind ofChrist.
(20:09):
That's why the Bible says Jesussaid who, for the joy that was
set before him, he endured thecross and despised the shame
because he saw on the other side.
If we can get a glimpse, sydney, of what God is getting ready
to do in the earth, we will seethis thing and we'll be able to
identify the way God sees it andit'll bring him all the honor,
the glory and the praise.
And I believe that we're goingto see a revival.
We are going to see a boldnesscome up for truth like we have
(20:30):
never seen before, and I thinkpeople are ready to be open to
it because of the blood that wasspilled.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And you know, one thing I want you to even go into
, because I remember we talkedbackstage about like so we look
at the different assassinationsof like MLK.
You mentioned something aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Can you go into that for just a moment?
Yeah, yeah.
So if you take a look at MLK,when he died, from that point on
in 68, there was a major moveand also even the president was
involved.
If you remember, it was Johnson, president, johnson, elson, he
said, and then he signed the actinto order which allowed even
greater freedom to BlackAmericans.
(21:06):
You take a look at RFK, jfk,all of those when those blood
were spilled.
That was the turning point inthe 60s.
It was the darkest time.
But after that things happened.
Within 50 years we have a Blackpresident or sit on the front
(21:30):
side of the bus to running themost and living in the most
powerful position in the worldbecause of blood that was shed.
Abraham Lincoln, another one.
Who was the one back in the day?
I can't remember the name.
Off the top of my head it saidgive me liberty or give me death
.
Who was it?
It was Henry.
His last name was Henry.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh my gosh, I'm like my history Patrick Henry,
patrick Henry.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Thank you, when his blood was.
We go back to that.
There is a covenant, sidney,with the blood Abel.
I talked about that earlier andso with all of those people
there was always a turning point.
I don't know what happens, butI just know there is a covenant
with the blood, that Godresponds, and when somebody dies
for what they believe which iswhy I tell people this, I don't
(22:06):
say politically assassinated, Idon't say politically killed, I
said he was a martyr.
Why that gives spiritualsignificance to it, and it's the
first that I'm aware of and Idon't know if you know anybody
else the first American martyrthat I'm aware of in our
generation and on any of our.
I don't know anybody that diedfor their faith, and so this is
a major.
So think about what happened,the freedom that came to black
(22:27):
Americans.
What's the freedom, my good God?
I feel self-honest right now.
That's getting ready to come tothe truth.
Is there a freedom that's beingunlocked with the truth?
And this fear that's coming outis the last bastion of
resistance, because there's arevelation and an anointing of
truth that is going to go outand annihilate every lie that
Jezebel has set up.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh, glory gem, drop right there.
Because I think it's like youknow, who the sun sets free is
free indeed, and I just thinkabout that and one of my
favorite scriptures and youshall know the truth, shall know
the truth, and the truth shallset you free.
And I think a lot of times youknow, going back to like in our
cultures, like, well, this is mytruth, this is what I feel,
(23:11):
that truth.
But when you go to the truth ofJesus and what he spoke, and
you go to the truth of the word,there's a freedom that comes to
that, there's a.
I mean, you like what?
And I'm just going to go herefor a moment of um, because I'll
say this is ask anybody else,okay, any other religions.
I'm just going to keep it allthe way real that I've been in
sessions, I've been in meetingswhere you speak the word of God
and demons come out in the nameof Jesus.
(23:31):
That's truth, that'sdeliverance, you know what I
mean and so I just think I'vebeen.
When you see the power of theword, this isn't just something
that's like, this isn't just ina belief, Like I don't just
believe this.
I know this because I'veencountered it, I've experienced
it.
You know there's somethingabout the word of God.
He is the word that becameflesh, jesus.
And when you encounter him andyou meet him face to face,
(23:53):
whatever it may be in thepresence of God, or you have a
vision or a dream, when youexperience that kind of love, my
God, it just you become radicalof thinking.
You look at in the Bible, weread these stories and you know
we read the gospels, read acts,all these things.
If it was playing out nowadayswhat would we be thinking Like I
(24:14):
mean, we have news, we havemedia, we would, it would
probably it's like you can seewhy it was so controversial.
You know what I mean.
Like this day of age, like Ifeel like we're living, you're
seeing, like the book of actsand things like taking place in
front of us, which is exciting.
But it's also one thing.
I heard Dr Cynthia Thompson.
She shared this on the lastepisode of the Glory Hour.
But a lot of people we'recrying out for revival, we're
crying out for glory, but glorybrings fire.
Glory brings shaking, glorybrings changing.
(24:36):
That's what it is.
And as we are getting closer toJesus coming back, there's
going to be greater shakings.
There's going to be greaterthings that are going to happen.
No-transcript.
Are we willing to die for whatwe believe?
(24:59):
Are we willing to literally laydown our lives for this?
We hear it in other countriesand you look in Africa, you look
in Asia and the Middle Eastpeople are dying for what they
believe in.
Are we ready for that?
Are we willing to say you knowwhat all for Jesus like, no
matter what happens and it'sscary to say at times because we
(25:20):
don't want to think about thatbut if I really, really say that
I'm a Christian and I'm for thekingdom, I have to be willing
to lay down my life foreverything for him, and it's
worth it.
And so I just I'm just likefeeling like God on this and I
just I just feel like Pastor Jay, just like a moment.
Do you want to pray?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Can I share something real quickly, though?
One other thing I want tomention.
It just came to me.
You know we were talking aboutthe blood piece.
There's something very profound, there's a revelation in this
that God is brewing in me, andyou know the shirt that he had
on.
You know what it said on hisshirt.
What?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
does it say Freedom?
Oh, it did say freedom Nowwatch this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
When Jesus died, what did he do?
He set people free, gandhi,when he was martyred.
Freedom came.
Dr King, freedom came.
Abraham Lincoln, freedom came.
Patrick Henry, freedom came.
Charlie Kirk died.
Freedom's coming, I don't know.
Let freedom ring.
That's what I sense in myspirit right now, that there's a
(26:15):
freedom when blood is shed,there's freedom that comes and I
believe there's a freedom tothe 7,000.
There are people, and I believeeven people watching right now
that God is getting ready tocall you to the forefront.
You have been equipped.
I believe this with all of myheart.
There are people that arelistening and watching right now
that you have been prepared forsuch a time as this and this is
(26:35):
the reason why you will notretreat, you will not go back,
because there is an anointinggetting ready to come upon your
life, upon your ministry, uponyour business, upon your future.
That freedom is coming and Godis getting ready to take the
Josephs out of prison andrelease them into the place that
he's prepared them for, butalso what's been prepared for
them.
And I believe God is gettingready to bring the two together,
(26:57):
sidney, and I sense in myspirit that supernatural freedom
is coming, the freedom fortruth is coming back, the
freedom for the unborn.
It's coming back.
I believe we're getting readyto see this awakening that is
getting ready to be releasedbecause of the blood that is
crying out at this hour.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And you know, when you just said this, he's like
y'all, he and I, we just go ping, ping, ping, ping, ping like
the popcorn.
Because you know, once that'ssomething that has just recently
happened.
When you were speaking, godgave me an image here in
Pennsylvania.
The new license plates.
Have you seen them?
It says let freedom ring.
I kid you, and I'm like, and Iknow it's like Pennsylvania,
(27:34):
there's all like there newlicense plates, because I was
like I started seeing them and Iknow I know one of our
coworkers here like their car,like it says let freedom ring.
And you're starting to see it.
But this is so let freedom ringout.
And it's only through Jesus,it's through Jesus that we
experience true freedom.
And our heart is, and I knowfor all of us, is that you would
(27:56):
know Jesus.
Yeah, you would know Jesus Well.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that you've been blessed
by that.
And listen, let me tell yousomething God is really, really
moving.
There's such an anointing onthat time there and I hope that
you were really blessed by that,which it is, that was just
shared.
I really felt something on that.
I really wanted to share thatwith you all because I really
(28:28):
believe that God was doingsomething with that and I wanted
you to be able to participatein it and to be able to
experience that and just to hearthe revelation.
And I want you to realize,first of all, God doesn't want
you walking in a spirit of fear.
God wants you walking in power,love and a sound mind.
Don't be afraid.
(28:49):
I believe that the spirit offear, Jezebel's lying voice
trying to get all of the spiritsof Elijah to go back into the
cave, Listen, that spirit is onthe run.
I believe something has beenbirthed out in the earth.
Whenever the blood of martyrsis shed, Remember the blood of
martyrs has a covenant with thethrone room of God.
God said to Cain your brotherAbel's blood crieth out to me
(29:13):
from the ground.
Jesus' blood.
If you look in, Hebrew says theblood still speaks of greater
things, the blood has a voice.
In Revelation I believe it ischapter 16, the Bible talks
about how the blood of martyrsand they keep crying out would
you avenge our blood?
And I believe Charlie's voiceis crying out, the voice of his
(29:34):
blood is crying out to theFather, and I believe that
something is coming into theearth, and so I hope this has
been a blessing to you just tobring some encouragement into
your life, and I just want topray for you that God's hand
would be mighty upon your life,and I want you to realize that
God loves you.
He's not angry with you.
He's on your side.
The best is yet to come.
(29:54):
Don't be afraid.
I'm telling you what God hasgot some awesome things in store
, and the devil is terrified andthe devil is on the run in
Jesus name.
So I just want you to beencouraged right now.
So, Father, I pray for everyperson watching.
I thank you, Father God.
We lift up Charlie Kirk's wifeto you again.
We just pray your blessing uponher, Father God, even as
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tonight she's going to besharing just things, whatever
speech that she's going to giveher first remarks in just a
little over 48 hours, and I praythat your grace and strength
would be upon her.
I pray that you'd bless her andanoint her in the name of Jesus
and Lord.
I pray that you would blessyour people, surround your
people with your glory.
Let your anointing be upon them, strengthen them, bless them,
(30:40):
build them up, edify them andencourage them.
And, Lord, may we continue tokeep on moving forward.
Father, and I pray that youwould get the glory, you would
get the honor and you would getthe praise for all things.
Work together for the good ofthem that love the Lord and to
them that are called accordingto his purpose.
And Father, we thank you givingyou the praise, the honor and
all the glory.
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Amen, amen, amen.
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