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Dimensions 09/17/2025 - The Impact of the Gospel on the Modern College Campus

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
no-transcript and you know I want to take a minute

(04:32):
because I want to get yourthoughts on I haven't had you on
here since then but yourthoughts on what happened to
Charlie Kirk and just kind ofwhat maybe you're hearing around
the college or what's kind ofbeen happening and what your
thoughts are and what God'sgoing to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Well, it's very, very , very clear that we're in a
divisive time Right, and that'sbeen accentuated with what
happened with Charlie Kirk.
I know that this is somebodywho I saw, that's, that's been
used and that's been at aplatform at a such larger
capacity than me or a lot of mycontemporaries, a lot of my
peers that I work with in thecampus ministry space.
This is somebody who startedthe platform of Turning Point,

(05:10):
usa when he was 19 years old, sohe was a college-age student
right that started and had thisgoal of going onto these college
campuses and starting thesedialogues and conversations with
young people, with, that beingsaid, on those who are rejoicing
at his death.
That's what it is.
People are celebrating andhappy that this has happened,

(05:30):
that a man has lost his life.
Whether you agree with hisplatform, whether you agree with
his rhetoric, you know whetherthat be political or personal or
how he carried himself.
This is someone who declared thegospel to thousands thousands,
if not tens, or hundreds ofthousands, if not millions of
people right, that's what hisplatform, that is what god used

(05:51):
him to do and what he was, whathe's been able to do in this
time.
Um, so it's a very um, it'salmost a taboo secret or like
conversation at this point.
Um, what that to?
To bring that up, and it's,it's funny.
I'm actually working on aresearch paper and my, my
default topic is always abortionand pro-life and my professor

(06:11):
it was one of the um taboo orbanned topics to write on and to
share Right, and I didn't seethat in the description in the
instructions.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
So you weren't allowed to share about that.
Correct, correct, really.
Yeah, it was an informative.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
It was an informative or a, uh, argumentative paper,
and it was.
There were just certain topics,I believe.
What were some of the otherones?
Um, uh, bullying was one, itwas, it was a, really, it was
one off, and that one reallystuck out to me, right, and so
what I did, how God ended upusing uh, this is a couple of
weeks ago that I was pickingthis topic I talked to, I chose

(06:44):
my topic to be a resurgence ofChristianity and young men
across the world, and so Ididn't know that God was setting
me up and I'm like what am Igoing to write about this?
And then this Charlie Cooksituation happens and which
where we've seen hundreds ofthousands, if not millions, of
not just young men, but youngpeople across the nation and

(07:04):
across the world that areopening the Bible for the first
time, that are going to churchfor the first time, to
understand why would someone whospoke in a way that could be
considered controversial, right,that could be considered, I
would even say, inflammatory.
I think that's a fairassessment right, but why?
to the point that his life wouldbe taken.
What is about his message andhis conviction behind it?

(07:27):
That's something so evil wouldhave to take place.
So the Lord's been speaking tome a lot about this situation
and what this really means forthe body of Christ, but
ultimately I think there's beena momentum shift in the body and
especially the young believerswho have tenure in this space.
Right, I've been, I've beeninvolved in in the campus

(07:47):
ministry space for about twoyears.
I would say I've been laboringfor about a year right, and so I
can see that there is amomentum.
It's not a coincidence.
Um, tomorrow the university ofpittsburgh is hosting the first
like revival type of event ofits of its kind that I have
known of right.
I've been a student, I've spenta lot of time in Oakland
throughout my life, being anative Pittsburgher.

(08:08):
It's the first time I've heardof anything like this.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I've never heard of it either.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And it's happening across the nation.
It's happening more and more,so I'm excited.
I'm very curious to see how Godis going to continue to use
this event and how something isbeing incited in the people, um,
and that the, the boldness offaith is starting to increase in
the, in the young body ofChrist.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Wow, and you got some revelation you said about um,
about the Orem, utah, and aboutCharlie and named Kirk and all
that.
Yeah, uh, share with me alittle bit of what um, uh, you,
you did some research on it, oryeah?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So I'm a little bit of a of an etymology nerd.
I love to see where words comefrom and how they've conveyed
and changed over time.
So the name Charles is actuallylike an original.
It was used in Europe inAnglo-Saxon times.
It was an indication, itrepresented freedom or a free
man, right, and so the name Kurt.
A very similar area of Europewas the word for church, right,

(09:04):
and a lot of people know thatand are familiar with that.
Now I believe that it was a plotand a ploy of the enemy Right.
What God was saying throughthat was the freedom of the
church was attacked when CharlieKirk when Charlie Kirk was was
attacked and was assassinated.
I don't believe that herepresented the church to God.
I believe he's being used as asign, right, and a

(09:27):
representative, and the word heuses, harbinger.
Is it right that God is usingand moving into place to convey
a point right?
Now where it gets very, veryinteresting is the city in Utah
which this happened, which isOrem, utah, o-r-e M.
So when I looked at that right,I looked it up and now there
are two different meanings thatI stumbled across.

(09:49):
The first one is the Latin.
The Latin word spelled theexact same way, which is Orem,
which is I pray, or to prayright.
So that was very, veryinteresting to me.
But then when I went into theHebrew and into the Bible, a
word that's transliterated inthat same way is aurum, which is
a cunningness.
Now that cunningness is acunningness or a craftiness, but

(10:11):
the way that cunningness orthat craftiness is always
described is that theperpetrator of said cunningness
or craftiness is always usedagainst the person perpetrating
and it's never used in acunningness or a craftiness of
someone that God is using.
It's always by the enemy.
It says in the book of Genesis3, his crafty ways, and then it

(10:31):
also talks about the craftinessand the cunningness of the
adversary, and I believe it'sJob, chapter 5, right.
So I believe what God is sayingis that the attack that
happened on the voice and thefreedom of the voice in the
church, right, we've seen anattack on the voice and the
standing out, the boldness ofthe church, right, and this has
been a plot and a device of theenemy.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
But we're going to see this craftiness and this
kindness ultimately hurt theperpetrator, which is the enemy
and the wicked one and youshared with me before we came
out too, about how he was shotin the neck, which is near the
vocal cords, absolutely as well.
I'd be curious to see whathappens when the sheriff's
department released the autopsyand all that kind of what
happened.
The coroner's report, I thinkit is that will show how he died

(11:12):
and exactly what was damaged inthere.
But I didn't know this.
So you said Charles stands forfreedom, yes, and Kirk stands
for church.
Wow, I never knew that.
So I'm looking at that thereand you know what?
The shirt he had on, rightwho's?
that I didn't see that you neversaw that.
No, the shirt that he had onsaid freedom written across it.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I did see that.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, so hearing you say that is just really unique.
But you know, there's so manythings that came about with that
.
There's a lot of stuff thatpeople are saying about him.
I have no problem advocatingfor um, for what he was doing
now, some of his methodologiesand stuff.
You know, I get it, but youknow, uh, but you know, this is
my thing.
I don't have wildfire than nofire and the way he went about
standing up for the gospel.

(11:55):
I went down to TPUSA.
I don't know if you know that Iwas actually at a major event.
I did a thing with WilliamFederer on a podcast here just a
few months ago and he's one ofthe major event speakers there.
John Amachuku came for theVoice for the Unborn gala.
He's part of TPUSA and ifanybody would know that Charlie

(12:16):
Kirk was prejudiced or whitesupremacist, it would have been
him.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
He is.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean like he's real black and everything.
And he said, man, that'scompletely absurd.
But anyways, the point ofmentioning all this, I think
it's really cool how he went into colleges, set up a booth and
I know, before all of thishappened, you've been going into
the colleges, you've been outstreet evangelizing, witnessing
what are the schools that you'vebeen going to and what's been

(12:44):
happening, any stories ofanything that's been happening
as you've been evangelizing topeople?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, you know I started so this time last year I
was starting a fellowship atthe Robotics Institute at
Carnegie Mellon, so I got to seeit on a large scale and I've
got to see it at a smaller, moreunique scale at the community
college.
Right, because we compare thecommunity college to more of a
mission field in campus ministry.
People have lives, they havefamilies, even children.
So it's two very differentsettings.
What we're seeing is acorporate level of interest and

(13:09):
now it's almost a trending thingto start getting your life
together and getting your lifewith Christ.
I was just sharing with youbefore we got on um the.
You know there's a big rivalrybetween Pitt and West Virginia
Friday night before that game Um, I thought the game was
actually on Friday, I didn'tknow what day it was because of
the partying and the rampant,everything that was going on at
that time, and it just hit me insuch a.

(13:30):
I mean, my heart was justbroken.
God delivered me from thatlifestyle, from a partying and
revelry lifestyle, and so, um,to see so many people headed
down that path, it broke myheart and I had to.
I had to give a huge, huge,huge shout out um to the people
at pit for purpose, um, theirorganization has, they're
organizing the athletes who have, I would say, some of the
biggest platforms in that space,um, in oakland, at cmu, at dk

(13:52):
and at pit, um, they'reorganizing all these, uh people
who are believers and starting acultural trend.
We're starting to see acultural trend of young people
at least asking questions orstarting a dialogue which is so
much of what Charlie Kirk wasabout.
At the community college, youknow we've seen multiple people
starting to get.
We've seen a spike.
You know it was.

(14:12):
It was very difficult for meand the people that I would
bring on campus for you know,call it mission work to even get
people, whether we had freethings to give them.
You know, people just didn'twant to hear about it and I've
seen a very, very stark changein the culture and when I was
sharing, I actually had theopportunity of tabling last week

(14:34):
in the middle at the differentCCAC campuses, but in the middle
of all of this happening, I gotto be.
It was an honor and a privilegeto represent the only student
ministry at CCAC the first onesince 2017, right.
And so a good friend of minecame to me when he found out
what I was doing and he saidyears ago, when I was at CCAC, I
tried to do the same exactthing you were doing, but the
student government or whoeverwas in charge of accepting or

(14:57):
not denying that they actuallydenied his request to start a
student ministry.
So I think it's not only thetiming that people want it, but
I think God is saying right hereand right now.
Last week I actually just saw Igot the opportunity to share
gospel with a student.
First year student at CCAC wascoming in and he accepted Jesus
Christ right on the spot.
It was his first time hearingthe gospel and hearing it

(15:17):
presented.
So that's what we're seeing andthat momentum is just continuing
and building, and building, andbuilding.
People know that there'ssomething going on, they just
don't know what it is.
So when we let them know whoJesus Christ is and that not
only we have an adversary, butwe have a perfect father who's
taking care of business and whowants to see.
See them with him for eternity,it completely changes the game.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
What?
What do you?
Um, what are you seeing thetemperatures like on a college
campus?
Like you know, obviously, I'm acouple of decades removed from
college and uh, so I mean, Idon't look like it, but I'm a
couple of decades removed, soI'm not as in touch with that
age as you are.
Um, what are you seeing?
You think the biggest vice is?

(15:59):
Or, like the roadblocks, peoplereceiving Christ, or what do
you feel that you, being a manof God and baiting the corridors
of the doomed in the dam?
What do you feel is the biggestpart of the gospel that you
have to enforce for people tosee it?
Do you follow where I'm goingwith that?
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, it just makes me appreciate what we've been
doing at the ministry recentlywith discipleship.
There is a discipleship crisisin the body right, without a
doubt.
So what do we as young peopledo when we want to venture out
and be obedient to our callingand we don't have a connection
to other people?
We just do what we see theother people do.
Right, we do what we see theelders do and what that creates

(16:40):
is a lot of fuzzy lines, right,a lack of foundation.
I've seen power built up inprayer meetings and prayerful
ministries and Holy Ghost-filledministries and people that love
Jesus, with a lack of protocol,with a lack of experience, with
a lack of wisdom, seeing it indiscernment to lead the young
people.
Obviously, sex culture runsrampant on college campuses.

(17:04):
Yeah, that ain't no differentthan all the colleges.
That's not the communitycollege.
I was at a.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Christian college.
It was running rampant.
Hey, that's what I was about tosay.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Christian folks get it in the nose.
You know, and you know.
So that challenge, challengeand explaining why I had someone
who's a married father wasactually talking to me and
asking when I shared about myabstinence and my saving myself
for marriage and what that meansand escaping the wiles of
pornography and these things.

(17:31):
Right, and I share with youabout the testing season that
went through last week.
It was unbelievable, and I hadsomeone stop me in my season
that went through this last week.
It was unbelievable, and I hadsomeone stop me in my tracks on
campus just a few days ago and Isaid, hey, man, how's it going?
And this is a guy I've beentrying to reach for months
faster.
And he stopped me in my tracksand said, listen, man, I'm

(17:51):
really struggling with lust andwith some of these things Like
how do you deal with it?
And I said hey means whatyou're doing to not only
yourself, but what it means toGod when you defy yourself in
these ways.
Right, and so the way I put itabout, especially Oakland, right
, because before being Savior, Iwas going to my first college

(18:13):
parties.
I was 16 and 17 years old, justwanted to see what the big kids
were doing, and so every yearthose first few weeks of class
you can feel the atmosphere inOakland shift and change, and I
believe that's the injection ofalcohol and partying behind it
and the sex culture that'shappening, and every year my

(18:34):
heart just gets so heavy seeinghow that takes place and it's
amazing that we's a way to shiftmy focus until not only we see

(18:58):
church and ministry groups fullbut we see bars and clubs start
to empty.
When people are starting to seetheir validation and their
truth they find it in JesusChrist.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Wow.
Well, you know it's amazingwhat you're doing.
I mean, you know you've gottenso many prophetic words saying
that you're going to go into thecolleges and minister to
college students and I'm seeingthat unfold and the process of
that, and we're seeing youngpeople come into the church.
We're seeing people In fact.
We've got a young man that'sgoing to be getting baptized
this weekend.
We've got several young mencollege-age kids that are coming
in.

(19:27):
So listen, those of you thatare watching if you're looking
for a church that ministers toall ages, we've got that here.
He's also in charge of ouryoung adults ages 18 to 35.
We got any events coming up?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
We got yeah, we got our big blowout in October
coming up called the Alternative.
We celebrate, not Halloween.
We don't deal with Halloweenbecause it has wicked pagan
origins that you know we'll getinto.
You got to come around, right,I'm sure you'll be sharing on
Dementia soon enough about it.
And, pastor Jay, you sharedabout how one of the children
actually, when hearing yourHalloween message, went back to

(20:00):
the family and said I don't wantany parts to do with it, I
don't want to participate.
So what we do is we give analternative right to being out
there in the world.
Right, we have people whoaren't saved.
That come, and I think it'sunbelievable A couple of years
before I really started livingfor Christ, when, where I really
started living for Christ, whenI was in the party lifestyle,
when I was out there doing mything, right, I would withdraw

(20:20):
on those nights becausesomething in me felt like I
can't go out tonight, and thatwas God preserving me from God
knows what.
What could have happened?
Because when you're deep enoughin it, you know that there's a
weekend, that there's going tobe activity, right, because all
a function.
And if you go to a party, andit's obviously such a great
party, but it's in the world,that is just a devil's
playground, that is a spiritualplayground, and so I believe God

(20:41):
was starting to alreadypreserve me and save me.
And it's not a coincidence.
That is the most boisterous,that is the most eventful
weekend on a college campus,barring a huge rivalry football
game.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right so these are.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
These are the times to get saved as a time, as
you've been talking about, tohave oil in your lamp, to keep
that sin and leaven out yourlife and to have love in your
heart for the young people.
So the alternative we're goingto go head-to-head with the
enemy.
Friday, october 31st, we'regoing to be getting it in, we're
going to have a word, we'regoing to have worship, we're
going to have musicalperformances and I'm just ready

(21:15):
to see what God is going tounleash every time we get
together in this ministry space,whether it be a Sunday service,
whether it be the young people.
We had an unbelievably powerfulencounter with the Holy Spirit
the last worship night we had,and I think that was just Him
letting us know like hey, I'mhere and I'm about to make
myself comfortable, not justwith the fathers of the house,

(21:36):
but with the sons as well.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Amen.
Well, I think that'soutstanding.
And yeah, to his point too.
We'll be having the alternativehere at 605 Thompson Run Road,
right here in Pittsburgh and inNorth Hills, and we've got candy
for it's all ages too.
It doesn't matter what age youare, but we don't celebrate any
of that and some of dimensions.
I'll be teaching on it.

(21:58):
I want to say that 31st is down.
It was like the 26th, I think.
It's the last Sunday in October.
I'm going to be talking aboutwhy we don't celebrate Halloween
.
That's coming to you.
Matter of fact, I have this guyacross the street from me he's
actually behind me across thestreet because I live on a
corner area and he's got thishuge light it's got to be 20
feet tall like this demonstanding up in his uh, his front
yard and all these things.

(22:18):
You know a lot of people dostuff ignorantly.
You know we do stuff.
We don't even realize why we'redoing what we're doing.
And to your point, when youmentioned about the two young
kids, they were in our ministry.
They came out, their parents,their parents were in church,
and this is no knock against it,it's just that churches aren't
talking about any of this typeof stuff.
And so they came out and Italked to them about the origins
of Halloween and where it camefrom, what it's about, what it

(22:42):
consists of, what still happenstoday, ladies and gentlemen.
There are still childsacrifices, there are still
human sacrifices, maybe notright here in Pittsburgh, but we
don't know.
We're talking about Satanworshipers.
And do you realize I don't knowif you know this the portal for
the demonic is the most open onthat day than any other day of
the year, and one of the thingsyou will recognize from October

(23:04):
31st to December is one of thegreatest times where you see
unexplained deaths that come outof nowhere.
There are all sorts ofincantations and sorcery and
things that are done, thecalling forth of the dead
dealing in the demonic realm.
All of those things happen onthat night.

(23:24):
And what does the devil do?
As always, he always disguisesit with fun, with candy, with oh
, it's just a scary something,but they have things like and
starting October 1st, they havelike 30 days of fright.
Every day there's horrorstories and all that.
Think about it.
It's all about.
Think about this, ladies andgentlemen.
It's all about evil.
That's all it is.

(23:44):
It's fear, it's evil, it'sdeath, it's zombies, ghosts,
jason, friday, the 13th ChainsawMassacre.
I mean you go on, chucky.
I mean everything that thedevil promotes and glorifies.
We celebrate it for 30 plusdays.
So, ladies and gentlemen,that's why we need you to come

(24:05):
on out and be a part of this.
It'll really be a blessing toyou.
Like I said, he's going to bedoing some great things.
Anything new coming up in thecollege campus I know you're out
there.
Have you ever thought aboutdoing something like Charlie
Kirk did?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know a thousand percent and I actually I wanted
that outreach.
That's going to be a big partof our outreach moving forward
right.
Is starting this dialogue andstarting these conversations.
So right now we're just gettingthem in from the north, south,
east and the west and seeingwho's there to really link arms
with this call right.
It's funny you mentioned thatbecause I'm actually getting the
equipment together andeverything right now to start

(24:35):
this and to start theseconversations where I am.
So I mean, I'm as ready as Iever have been and I know that
there are a lot of people in mysituation and in my parallel
right now that feel the exactsame way.
So I think that this is justsomething that's started.
That's very new, and we'regoing to keep seeing people
saved.
Whether I'm at CCAC, whetherI'm at Oakland, we're going to

(24:58):
see God do his thing in the waythat he desires, because this is
so much bigger than what we'vebeen looking for as believers.
God, I believe, is even tryingto prepare and to ready up his
generation I'll even go as farto say a Joshua generation of
saints right now on thesecollege campuses amen.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I might even up you on that.
I might call this generation.
See, my generation.
There was called the Joshuageneration.
The reason why I'd that, I'd saywe're the Daniel generation and
I agree with you.
I see what you're saying aboutgoing in and I think it's part
of it, but I also think we arein almost like an exilic time.
Daniel was alive during theexile.
You know they were solely thecaptivity, where basically what

(25:36):
Daniel represents is thatChristianity is not dominant
anymore.
It doesn't mean there's notgoing to be a revival.
It doesn't mean that God, thatit doesn't mean God's lost
anything.
It means that there's now, atone point, like when my dad's
generation and my generation Iwas a generation X guy, you know
you saw Christianity startingto be dwindling, Matter of fact,
I feel, between my dad'sgeneration and generation X, and

(25:59):
then you got into, uh, betweenmy dad's generation and
Generation X, and then you gotinto what was it?
Gen Z and Gen Y?
And although the X was, I think, the bridge that brought us to
where we were, it was ourgeneration that I saw the change
from.
Everybody was really focused onGod and I saw my generation.
A lot of people were raised inchurch, walked in church.
Many of them aren't serving Godtoday and it was like that

(26:22):
generation.
Something got missed.
You know, x is a missingvariable.
Whenever you have, x equalssomething's missing there.
There was something that gotmissed there, which I believe is
the gospel, and that's why I'vealways called myself the child
of two fathers.
What I mean by that?
I am old enough to remember theold ways, young enough to

(26:51):
remember where we lost our wayand still able to bridge the gap
between your generation and tobring the two together.
I always felt that theGeneration X was called to be
the ligament to bring the twotogether.
Because you didn't get raped,you came into what we're in now.
I remember how it was.
I remember we're the onlygeneration that it was like you
were in church seven days a weektype thing.
You know what I mean.
But then it slowly began todwindle until we got to where we

(27:13):
are now, and it was mygeneration and us growing up.
I remember all of my friends.
We were all in church and then,as we got older, all of them
fell off.
They all in church.
And then, as we got older, allof them fell off.
They all fell off, and I wasone of the few that still stayed
with it and I believe now Godwants to bridge those two back
together.
But I always think about youwith that because I was like man
, before anybody even heard ofwhat happened with Charlie Kirk

(27:33):
and all of that, you werealready out there, you already
had a mission to do that and Iwas thinking man, you know I'm
connected A lot of people don'trealize this, but I'm connected
with TPUSA and there's a chapterhere.
There's people that we'veworked with and brought pastors
together, not for college stuffbut for pastors, and because
part of his mission as well wasgetting pastors to stand up for
what was right.
You know standing up and youknow be bold.

(27:54):
I don't need none of that.
I mean I already got that in mebut I'm running with people that
want to do that.
But I can get connected withcollege people to with TPSA,
with you, to get them connected,see what they might be able to
do to help you.
Because I believe in yourmission and the ministry God's
given you.
I believe in what you're doing.

(28:15):
You're raising up people.
You're out there making animpact.
You're preaching the gospel.
You're willing to stand.
You're out there making animpact.
You're preaching the gospel.
You're willing to stand.
You're out there beating downthe corridors of the doomed in
the dam to bring the loss toJesus Christ.
I'm proud of you for whatyou're doing.
Make a stand, because I thinkthis is one of the hardest
generations to make a stand.
Other generations, Christianitywasn't as frowned upon.
Now.

(28:35):
I mean you see the firstChristian martyr in the West,
now Western civilization and nowwe're seeing it hit soil.
I mean there was something.
It's not a coincidence that itwas called a turning point, that
he was called turning point,it's not a coincidence.
Something has changed.

(28:56):
You mentioned the wordharbinger earlier.
Something has shifted in theworld today and I believe that
it's almost like there's acouple of things.
There was, there was a post9-11 in a pre-9-11 world.
There's a post pandemic in apre-pandemic world.
I think there's going to be apost this charlie kirk martyrdom
and a pre and we are now inpost of that and um, I think

(29:20):
what we're about to see is it'sa change of the time, something
supernaturally has shifted inthe spiritual and I believe that
it's also going to give.
Even as I'm sitting heretalking to you, it's going to
give a push, a huge push intothe return of Jesus Christ.
I think we're a lot closer thanwe've ever been before.
So any closing thoughts, man.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, I just I mean those words.
I want to say thank you.
You know and so much of, if notall, you know, what God's been
able to do has been just being aproduct and a son of your
ministry and you know whatyou've invested into me and to
the others around me.
You know, and that's youngministers, to the young people
in campus ministries getconnected and be rooted to a

(30:02):
house right, you will magnifyand spread the soil that you
grow up in, and so much that Ihave is because of you and your
brothers and your familyinvesting into me and showing
the way, and I'll keep usingthese words and people will hear
me use them time and time againa culture and a heritage of
serving God, and that's what Iwant to implement, not just for
myself, but for anyone I comeacross and anyone who will hear

(30:23):
me, right.
Um, so I just I'll continue tobe in prayer, um, you know, for
the, for the nations and for mybackyard, which which consists
of these college campuses.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, and I'm excited , man, I'm gonna have to get out
college discussions and I lovewhat he did.
When he asked me, he startedoff.
I don't even know how hestarted.
He started off and said ask meanything.
Then it turned into prove mewrong and I always felt that he
is a modern day Elijah.
When he's up on the mountain.
He said all right, you'resaying Baal's God, I'm saying my

(30:54):
God is God.
Let's come together and have adebate.
When Stephen was stoned, it wasin the middle of a debate in the
square and they were going backand forth about that.
All he did was debate.
It's a sad thing when you thinkabout that.
All he did was debate, whetheryou agree disagree.
Even Al Sharpton stood up andsaid hey, I may not agree with

(31:15):
everything.
As a matter of fact, he saidCharlie Kirk called me out about
things I was doing wrong, buthe said that man did not deserve
to die and he did it.
But his blood was shed,unfortunately, and I believe
that we're going to begin to seea turning point.
So listen, all of you youngpeople out there, get connected
to this guy.
If you see him out on campus,get connected with him.

(31:36):
He's really standing up for thefaith.
We need more men of God thatare willing to go out there
unashamedly, unreservedly, andshare the gospel of Jesus Christ
Because, remember this, theheart of the human problem is
the problem with the human heart, and the mission of the Great
Commission is to get the gospelof Jesus Christ in the dying
heart of humanity.
That's the only thing youchange.

(31:58):
I wish I had more time with you, but you can't legislate racism
.
You can't legislate it.
That's why I don't want to getinto this now.
And all that stuff.
Man, I'll have to have you back.
We'll talk more about that,because a lot of people don't
understand that you can'tlegislate any of that.
It's racism, it's hatred.
All those things Can control.
They talk about gun control.

(32:18):
I mean, I believe having rulesand all that stuff for guns, but
you can't legislate murder.
You know what I mean?
You need the gospel of JesusChrist.
The only thing that can help us, ladies and gentlemen, is the
gospel of our Lord and Savior,jesus Christ.
If that gets in the heart ofmen and women, it can change
anything.
It changes you, the gospel,changes your nature, and that's
the only thing that can helpAmerica and help us.

(32:39):
So let's stand strong, keepdoing what you're doing.
Brother, it's great to have youon Dimensions.
Ladies and gentlemen, don'tforget like, subscribe, follow,
share.
I apologize for any technicaldifficulties we had up front.
Don't get to download thepodcast wherever podcasts are
being held, and be willing tocome back tomorrow night 8.30 pm
.
Your boy will be back here foranother episode at Dimensions.

(32:59):
I'll see you on the next level,thank you.
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