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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
I said close them doors.
Ushers, close the doors.
Close the doors.
Close the doors.
We all gonna leave together.
Y'all ain't going no place butto the restaurant.
SPEAKER_03 (00:16):
I, Roberta McCoy, giving faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectedchurch, sowing this seed of a
thousand dollars plus twohundred and thirty-five dollars
and receiving the blessings tocome to all that participating.
SPEAKER_05 (00:31):
Now that that's only twelve hundred dollars.
SPEAKER_03 (00:34):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (00:35):
Y'all not listening to what I'm saying.
If you have a thousand plus athousand.
unknown (00:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (00:41):
Well, I'm gonna work on the other 800.
SPEAKER_05 (00:43):
Well, I that ain't what I asked you to do.
SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
Listen, y'all, there must be something about being a
Marvin and taking up anoffering.
I mean, I tell you what, you arenot gonna want to miss this
episode of Dimensions, where Ibreak down the autopsy of what
you just saw.
First, we had Marvin Sapp alittle bit ago talking about
close the doors and had thatoffering going.
And now we got Marvin Wynins.
(01:14):
Both of them, pastors, bishops,taking up offerings, going viral
for how they went about it.
Oh man, I can't wait to get inon this one.
You are not gonna want to missit.
Stay tuned.
Lock and load, ready yourweapons.
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(01:53):
Listen, there's always somethinggoing on here, Dimensions,
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Listen, you're not gonna want tomiss this.
And I believe that there'sothers that's gonna want to hear
my autopsy on what happenedconcerning the Marvin Whinins.
(02:36):
The Marvin Whinins viraloffering video.
Not the Marvin tap, the MarvinWhinins viral video on giving an
offering.
I don't know what it is aboutthese Marvin's, man.
The Marvins are taking up theoffering.
I don't know if you just can'tbe a Marvin and take up an
offering because I not that Ihad a problem with Marvin Step
necessarily.
I mean, I already gave mycommentary on that, but what I'm
saying is just funny how you gottwo Marvin's in the same year
(02:59):
going viral for how they took upan offering.
Both of them singers, both ofthem preachers, both of them
taking up offerings.
What is the world coming to?
I'll tell you, there's alwayssomething going on here.
And that's why I want you to getit out so then people can hear
my commentary on what happenedthere.
And also, this is kind of myautopsy.
We're gonna break down whathappened.
You're not gonna want to missit.
It's gonna be good.
(03:19):
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But listen, let's get right intoit because I only got a short
amount of time.
I'm not here for a long time,but I'm here for a Holy Ghost
time.
And it's gonna be a great timetoday in Jesus' name.
I want to get in on this becauselisten, one of the things that
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happens is this.
Now, I want to re-mr.
I want you to re-show that firstMarvin Weinins video here in
just a second, the one I justshowed.
Show the first Marvin Wininsvideo here because I want you to
take a peek at this, because Iwant to give you some commentary
beforehand.
Show it.
SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
I, Roberta McCoy, giving faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectingchurch or sowing this seed of
$1,000 plus$235 and receivingthe blessings to come to all
that participated.
SPEAKER_05 (04:35):
Now that that's only $1,200.
SPEAKER_03 (04:37):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (04:38):
Y'all not listening to what I'm saying.
If you have a thousand plus athousand, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (04:45):
Well, I'm gonna work on the other$800.
SPEAKER_05 (04:46):
Well, I that ain't what I asked you to do.
That ain't what he asked.
SPEAKER_04 (04:53):
All right, now listen, this is where I want to
get to.
If you were to watch just thatvideo right there, which is what
has gone viral, I've said thisbefore, and I'm gonna say it
again.
Everything must be taken intocontext.
The first thing I did is I wentthrough and I said, okay, wait a
minute here.
Everybody went viral.
(05:14):
People talking about$1,250wasn't enough.
How could he shoot somebody downbecause of this, that, and the
third?
And I'm sitting there thinkingin my mind, okay, wait a minute
here.
Somebody comes to church andsays, here's a check for$12 or
$50.
Most pastors aren't going to beangry at them or shut them down.
I said, wait a minute.
Let's look at the fullcontextualization of what
happened there.
And this is the reason why I'vetold people time and time again,
(05:37):
you never, ever, ever letGoogle, you don't let Facebook,
you don't let YouTube,Instagram, TikTok, you name any
one of the social mediaplatforms become your Bible
without doing research.
So what do you think is thefirst thing I did?
I went back through and Iwatched pretty much the whole
thing to figure out why thishappened and what took place,
(06:00):
which is what most people don'tdo.
And that's what when people arelazy, they take one clip and
they make a whole theology ofit.
And ladies and gentlemen, let meshow you some things here today.
Because the reality was, to beperfectly honest with you, right
up front, I had no issue withthe fact that he called
attention to this matter.
(06:20):
Now, I might address it maybe alittle bit differently, but who
am I to say how God's man needsto deal with it?
You forget the story of Ananiasand Sapphira when they lied
about how much they brought toGod.
And as a result of that, Petersaid, Ananias lied and Sapphira
died.
He said both of them were gonnabe dead.
They both died because they liedto the Holy Spirit about an
(06:41):
offering.
So who am I to say he wasn'tcalled to call her out?
I don't know.
But this is a thing you have tounderstand.
Every church has a culture.
Culture isn't necessarily goodor bad.
Culture is the way it is.
And a lot of African Americanchurches, this is how they take
up an offering.
Now let me say this to you (07:01):
this is something that I feel very
strongly about.
If it's not illegal, it's notunethical, it's not immoral, it
may not be the way I do it, itmay not be the way you do it, it
is not our responsibility to putour mouth on them.
You do not touch God's man orwoman with your mouth just
simply because you wouldn't doit that way.
Now you could say, hey, I maynot do it that way, but if
(07:23):
that's the way God told me to doit, then hey, support it.
There's a whole church therethat is totally okay with that
culture.
And this is the thing.
He had been preparing thisoffering.
They knew this day was coming.
It wasn't like he just took up arandom offering, a lady came up
and gave a thousand dollars, andthat was it.
This was a day of giving.
The church had been planningthis for some time.
(07:45):
They had actually gone out, andwhen you hear about him saying
1,000 plus one, they weresupposed to sew a thousand, and
they were supposed to go out andrecruit somebody that believed
in the ministry to sew athousand with them.
So, therefore, there was aprocess.
This thing was completely laidout.
And I want to show you this hereso you understand it.
(08:05):
Show us video number two.
SPEAKER_05 (08:10):
As we prepare to do this, because it's a lot to be
done, and we can get it done ifwe do it in an orderly fashion.
Say amen.
Listen to what he's saying.
Orderly fashion.
I need somebody with staminabecause we're gonna praise as we
give.
(08:31):
Nobody is being made, coerced,arms twisted.
We're doing it willingly becausewe have a future.
And if it's anything that I'vediscovered, as a matter of fact,
(08:54):
in Exodus the 25th chapter, hesaid if they don't give it
willingly, they can keep it.
And so we're believing God forgreat things.
We have a future.
And even though the enemy saidit wasn't gonna happen, the
devil is a liar.
(09:16):
And if it's anything that I'venoticed over the years, it is
when we come and give, there'san anointing that rests on it.
When we give sacrificially, andyou're gonna be a part of this
today.
Uh, this is our day of giving.
SPEAKER_04 (09:38):
And so look at this, ladies and gentlemen.
The whole church was aware andtotally understood that this day
was coming.
Now, this is the scripture Iwant to give to you.
Now, look at this.
Sometimes when you're taking uplarger offerings, sometimes you
can do it spontaneously.
There's other times I want toread out of the Amplified in 2
(09:59):
Corinthians chapter 9 and versenumber 5.
That is why I thought itnecessary to urge these brothers
to go to you before I come andmake arrangements in advance for
this generous, previouslypromised gift of yours so that
it would be ready.
Not as something extorted orwrung out of you, but as a
voluntary and generous gift.
Now remember this (10:18):
he who sows sparingly will also reap
sparingly.
He who sows generously, thatblessing may come to others,
will reap generously and beblessed.
Let each one give thoughtfullyand with purpose, just as he had
decided in his heart, notgrudgingly or under compulsion,
for God loves a cheerful giverand delights in the one whose
heart is in his gift.
And then he goes on, he talksabout how God's able to make all
(10:40):
grace about truth.
I'm not gonna read towards that.
There's basically a blessingthat comes as a result of that.
Notice this here, he gave themtime biblically to get prepared.
They knew this day was coming.
That's why the people wereapplauding, because they all had
their offering prepared, and hewas telling them this is the day
that we've been waiting for inorder to be able to give.
Now, listen, I want to say thisagain, because if you look there
on YouTube and Facebook,everybody's getting upset saying
(11:01):
Marvin Wynins is mean, and howcould he dare say a woman
shouldn't have gave$1,250?
Now, you saw that video rightfrom the jump.
She brought up$1,250.
Why would he rebuke her?
What was it he was rebuking herfor?
We're about to get into that injust a moment.
That's why you have to takeeverything in context.
That's why you got to doresearch.
I did it with Charlie Kirk.
I do it every time.
(11:22):
I don't just take one line thatsomebody says and then base
their whole theology based uponit.
I've heard people callingCharlie Kirk, literally calling
him trash, all these things, andsaying, listen, you have not
done any research.
Once again, look at all thesepeople that bring all these
things up.
I can't believe he called herout.
I can't believe when you do thefull research.
Now, that video by itself, if awoman's just coming up and
(11:43):
giving an offering, said, No,I'd go sit down.
You know, I wanted$2,000.
You didn't bring$2,000, it'sonly$1,250.
Well, then I'd have a wholenother statement that I have to
make.
But I'm about to show you whathappened beforehand.
That video right there was thefirst video I showed you about
when he corrected the womanabout bringing$1,250 instead of
(12:04):
$2,000.
That was more towards the end.
I want to show you everything hesaid leading up to it and why he
made that adjustment, why hecalled her out.
Let's take a look, Mr.
Producer, at the next video.
SPEAKER_05 (12:21):
Um, the ministers to prepare uh to come uh first
because the ecclesia has to bethe ones that lead it.
Now listen to me.
We're gonna do this a couple ofways.
(12:42):
Those that have the thousandplus one, that means you're
coming with your thousand thatyou're giving plus you've asked
someone else to give.
Now you don't have to stop at athousand, and we're gonna deal.
So, in other words, if you say,Pastor Wynans, uh, I'm coming
(13:07):
with my thousand plus anotherthree thousand, then you'll say
that.
You understand?
And if you didn't get uh plusone, but you maybe came with
$250, you're gonna come say thatthis is my thousand plus two
hundred and fifty.
You with me?
And we're gonna go all the waydown.
(13:29):
So I need you, in order for thisto work, I need you to come when
you're called with the offeringthat you're bringing.
If if if listen to me.
If you come and say, here's mythousand, and you don't have a
plus one, we're gonna have timefor that.
And I want you to come with joy,I want you to come with
(13:54):
excitement because as you giveto God, God gives back to you.
I need a praise.
I need somebody, hold on, yeah,yeah.
I need somebody to throw theirhead back and give God a shout
of praise.
SPEAKER_04 (14:09):
All right.
So look at that there.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Very clear on what he wanted.
Very clear on the instructionthat he wanted.
He said, listen, if you're notcoming with a thousand plus one,
I explained what the plus onewas about.
They're going to get, I said,some people get a whole lot
more.
Some people got three and fourthousand, some people had
10,000, whatever it might havebeen.
They went and they got, theysaid, We're gonna do this
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completely in the Lord.
When you're called, I want youto come up.
This had nothing to do with heroffering amount.
But see, people will take thatand listen, let me say this.
The reason why the devil will dothat, because we are in a
season, I believe, that God iscalling his people to sow.
God's looking for people that hecan give through, not just give
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to.
So if the devil can somehowpervert something using social
media to make something seemlike it isn't when it, or when
it is, that it is when it reallyisn't, then of course he's gonna
do that to get people to say, Iwas listening to somebody, uh, I
listened to The Breakfast Clubdo it.
And I was thinking about it, itwas Charlemagne the God, and he
was talking about how uh uh hesaid, Man, I don't understand
(15:11):
why they got to do it like that.
And uh, you know, whateverhappened to pass in the bucket.
And I said, Pass in the bucket.
I said, brother, that was backin the 90s, man.
I mean, people don't hardly everpass a bucket or play anymore.
You know, you still have a wayyou can give that way, but it's
completely different.
And he said, Oh, I don'tunderstand why they do it this
way and that way and the third,but see, they didn't take
everything in context as well.
They didn't realize he had givenclear directions.
(15:32):
There was a certain way thatthey were doing things.
I think it's very important thatwe never speak ignorantly on a
matter.
What do I mean by that?
Always get your facts before youdraw a conclusion.
And if you are not familiar withchurch culture, every culture is
different.
I know some churches, they don'teven take up offerings anymore.
They have a bucket, they just doit, and they say, we don't even
(15:53):
have an offering anymore.
People just give as they need togive.
That's what God tells them todo.
That's what God told them to do.
It's not my place to talk aboutpeople's culture.
Now, if it's illegal, unethical,or immoral, if there's something
unbiblical about it, then that'sanother story.
But just because somebodydoesn't do it my way doesn't
mean it's my business.
And let me tell you something.
It's very, very clear.
When God calls a man of God totake care of a flock, he does
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not have to confer with youbefore he directs another
person.
He doesn't have to direct you.
He doesn't have to say, well,let me explain to everybody why
I'm doing what it is that I'mdoing.
He's responsible for God.
He's responsible to those peopleto do what God leads him to do.
And so therefore, just becauseit's not the way your culture
would do it or the way you wouldwant it, doesn't mean you have a
right to speak against and saythat he's wrong.
(16:34):
And I think that's the wholething about why we have so many
denominations and things now isbecause we have a lot of people
that do things different ways.
There are some churches I knowof right now.
I was in a church one time and Iwas there speaking for a few
moments.
And I in my culture, you alwaysgive honor to the pastor and to
the first lady or the pastor'swife or uh to the leaders that
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are there, and you honor them.
And so I said, Hey, everybody,you know, let's give it up for
pastor so-and-so.
Da-da-da.
They just kind of looked at me.
I said, Well, that was terrible.
I said, Y'all need to give it upfor this pastor.
And then they finally applauded,right?
At the end of service, I get outof service and I talk to the
pastor.
I said, Man, I said, I reallywas glad they came back right.
I said, Well, actually, we don'tdo that here.
He said, We don't really give uhhonor to pastors and things like
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that the way that your culturedoes.
And it wasn't a negative thing.
I said, Oh, I didn't evenrealize that.
But I think the people reallyenjoyed it, to be honest with
you.
And I didn't do it, I did itunintentionally, but my point is
that just because they don't dothat doesn't mean my way's
better.
Just because they don't do it myway doesn't mean their way's
better.
That's why we have differentcultures.
And I think it's important thatwe keep our mouths off of people
just because their culture doesnot reflect ours.
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As long as it's not illegal,unethical, or moral, or there's
something that's completelyunbiblical, I'm gonna allow
people to have their way.
Move as you see fit, do what yougotta do.
But he made, I want to go backfor a minute.
He made it very clear on whathis intentions were, what he
wanted to be done.
Mr.
Producer, go back to the firstvideo now because I want you to
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see again.
Now he made it very clear.
In order to do this the rightway, we've got to do everything
decently in order.
We've got to do this, we've gotto do that.
I want you to come when yourtime has called and look at what
the lady did.
Bring it up for me.
SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
I, Roberta McCoy, giving faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectingchurch or sowing this seed of
$1,000 plus$235 and receivingthe blessings to come to all
that participated.
SPEAKER_05 (18:25):
Now that that's only $1,200.
SPEAKER_03 (18:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (18:28):
Y'all not listening to what I'm saying.
If you have a thousand plus athousand.
unknown (18:34):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
I'm gonna work on the other$800.
SPEAKER_05 (18:37):
Well, I that ain't what I asked you to do.
SPEAKER_04 (18:45):
Okay, so look at this here.
Now, he said very, very clearlywhat he wanted done.
Someone completely broke rank,broke protocol, did it.
Am I mad because she gave$1,250?
Is he upset because she gave$1250?
He had nothing to do with heramount.
Had the fact of matter that hehad a certain way that he wanted
things to be done.
And listen, you have tounderstand sometimes when you
have things like that, that'sjust disorder.
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Whether she was, well, I'm gonnawork another 800.
He said, I didn't ask for that.
I'm asking you to follow what Iwas saying to be done.
That's like if you were in aline, say, for example, if
you're at a uh, say, forexample, you're at a dinner,
okay?
And they said, listen, we aregonna go by table.
You ever been to one of those?
We got 30 tables, we're gonnatake tables one through five.
And you jump up and you'renumber 18, decide you're gonna
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get in line, and they say,excuse me, ma'am, you can't do
that in front of everybodybecause you did it, you got a
line.
Are they gonna say they didn'twant her to eat?
They didn't want him to eat.
That had nothing to do with it.
That had nothing to do with it.
It was the fact that she brokerank.
Now, let me quickly andparenthetically insert this.
I personally would have dealtwith that.
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I would have, I'll be honest, Iwould have dealt with it too.
If I asked people to do acertain thing in service and
you're blatantly going todisregard it, let me tell you
this.
Very, very important that weare, we we as pastors, some of
you may not understand this, youhave to be careful of rebellion
in your church.
What do I mean by rebellion?
He was very clear.
If you watch the videos that Ishow, go back and listen to it
(20:10):
again.
He said, and I need you all tolisten, I need you to hear me.
I mean, he kept saying it overand over and over again.
So for whatever reason, he feltit was very important that it's
done in this systematic way.
He never downplayed the fact.
He said, if you're only giving athousand, there's gonna be time
for that too.
And I want you to come with joy.
He didn't leave anybody out.
And she made a decision tosupersede rank and break rank
(20:31):
and say, I'm gonna do it my way.
I do not have an issue with thefact that Marvin, Bishop Pastor
Patrick, uh Pastor MarvinWeinans uh called called her
out.
I don't have a problem withthat.
She was in there, she blatantlyand disregarded uh an order that
was given from the pulpit.
The Bible says to do everythingin decently in order.
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And something that we have lostin the body of Christ is
spiritual authority.
Spiritual authority is notsomebody telling you how to live
your life.
Spiritual authority means inregards to things of the kingdom
and the house of God, there is ahierarchy, there's a rank, just
like you have on your job.
There is a there, you have asupervisor, you've got shift
supervisors, you've gotmanagers, you've got HR
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department people, you've gotall these different people that
have heads of differentdepartments, making sure the
department ran well.
If it works that way in theworld, why wouldn't it be the
same way in the church?
There is spiritual authoritythat's happened.
Now, that doesn't mean that theperson on your job can tell you
how to live your life.
That doesn't mean the person onyour job can tell you what time
you can get up in the morning,what time you shouldn't get up
in the morning, and this, that,and the third.
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But what it is, it means when weare in the house of God, we are
called to submit to theauthority of God.
And the Bible says allauthority.
You can read Romans chapter 13,all authority comes from God,
whether in the church or outsideof the church.
We have to be submitted to thosethings.
You have to follow protocol.
She broke that protocol.
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She broke that protocol, didwhat she was gonna do, and he
called her out.
Now, would I have handled itmaybe the exact same way he did?
Probably not.
Would I have called it out?
Yes.
How would I have done it?
I would have done it maybe alittle bit differently, but I
don't have an issue with himaddressing that.
I do not.
She he made it very, very clearof what his instructions were,
and she violated that.
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Rebellion, the Bible says, is asthe sin of witchcraft.
You're just gonna go up there,you just go, the pastor done
told you what he wanted.
You're gonna go up there, and hewould say, I'm sorry, Pastor, I
know you told me to wait, butI'm coming anyways.
To be honest with you, I don'teven know if God will even honor
that type of a gift.
I don't know if he will.
Now, I don't know what hermotive was and what her
(22:37):
intentions were, but if you lookit on the news, maybe I'll bring
that up tomorrow.
I don't know.
I'll see what the Lord leads.
But if she actually theyactually, the news came and
actually did a spot on it, andhe explained it, and she said he
did not rebuke me.
He didn't call me out any waythat what he should have done.
She actually defended him inthat.
And rightfully so.
Rightfully so.
Yep, I said it rightfully so.
(22:57):
And what you're seeing onYouTube and Facebook, people
saying, Oh yeah, he he he it2250 wasn't enough.
Oh, he rebuked her because thatshe said it wasn't a rebuke,
which in a sense it really was.
But she said, No, she didn't getmad or anything on that line.
He made it very clear what hewanted, and she just cut in
line.
She said, I'm gonna do it myway.
And as a result of that, hecalled it out.
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I don't have an issue with that.
And you want to know why?
Look at what the Bible says in 1Timothy chapter number 5.
Look at here.
Those who are sinning rebuke inthe presence of all, that the
rest also might fear.
Wow.
Look at this in the Amplified.
First Timothy chapter 5, versenumber 20.
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As for those who continue insin, reprimand them in the
presence of all thecongregation, so that the rest
may be warned.
That's another passage ofscripture there that the Bible
clearly says.
Let's look at the New Americanstandard.
Let's just look at somedifferent versions of this.
Those who continue in sin,rebuke in the presence of all,
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so that the rest also will befearful of sin.
And people, well, is that reallya sin?
Of course it is.
Of course it is.
See, listen, ladies andgentlemen, you cannot allow
rebellion to go on in thechurch.
You can't allow rebellion inyour home.
You can't allow it on the job.
If people are just gonnablatantly usurp authority,
whether it seems like a big dealto you or not, the devil deals
subtly.
(24:26):
And what he says, oh, don't sayanything about that.
That's okay, just let it go.
I know, especially something hewas very, very clear on.
Don't do it this way.
Please don't do this.
I need you to follow mydirection.
Very, very important.
Because what will happen now,listen to me when I say this.
Why is that important?
Because every other person thathas a rebellious spirit will
feel the freedom to disregardthe direct authority from the
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man or woman of God.
Some of y'all may not understandthat, but even on your job, if
you tell everybody, hey, you gotto do this and then you don't do
it, it gives them permission todisregard authority.
If you don't hold peopleaccountable to what you said to
do, it gives people permissionto disregard.
If it's not important to you to,if you're gonna call something
(25:10):
out and it's not importantenough for you to enforce it, it
won't be important enough forpeople to abide by it and people
that have an issue withrebellion, people that feel they
can get away and do whateverthey want, they will take the
liberty to do so and you'll bethe only person to blame.
You have to hold peopleaccountable.
If you look at greatchampionship teams, they say the
thing that changed them is whenthe coaches started holding the
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players accountable for how theydid their job.
It's the same way in the thingsof God.
You got to hold peopleaccountable.
If you don't hold peopleaccountable to it, they're not
gonna follow because if you'resaying, you're gonna preach this
big thing, I need you to follow,I need you to follow.
It's very, very important, very,very important.
And then you just people come upand do whatever they want and
you say, uh, it's okay, I'm justgonna let it go.
What that is telling every otherperson in the church that your
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word doesn't matter, it doesn'tcount, you really don't mean
what you say.
It's okay to violate a directorder, and everything is all
messed up.
We cannot have that.
That's why the Bible says rebukethem.
When they are blatantlyviolating a word, rebuke them
openly, that others may fearsinning.
Now, last thing I want to get tobefore I wrap this up today.
(26:12):
I hope that you've been beingblessed by this.
Is I want to show you something.
I think it's very profound.
One of the things that I thinkis phenomenal of a pastor, a
pastor uh that is willing tolive what he preaches.
And I wanted to show you thishere because not only people,
people, they didn't mention it,they didn't mention the fact
that he had a preamble to all ofthis, where he mentioned about
(26:34):
how she he wanted everyone to dothis decently in order.
And there's a certain way andstructure that he wanted
everybody to give, but everybodywas important, everybody was
gonna come along.
Put that in context with justthe fact that he called her out
because she brought up twelvehundred and fifty dollars.
And I think it's also importantto mention that he was willing
to do it himself, exactly whathe said to do.
(26:54):
Mr.
Producer, let's roll the lastvideo.
SPEAKER_05 (26:59):
Just an hour ago, a thousand dollar contribution
from Richard Andrews, uh, doingwhat he said he was gonna do.
Benjamin Wynnes.
Linda Stewart, my cousin, this$1,000.
(27:19):
Bishop Nathan Wells of Texas,$1,000.
Lady that showed up for 6 a.m.
prayer, Shalina M.
Shaw,$1,000.
Uh I'll call him this afternoonbecause he's coming.
Bishop Daryl Hines,$1,000.
Uh Pastor Tommy Bates,$1,000.
Pastor Tim Delina,$1,000.
(27:39):
Bishop George and MarySeawright,$1,000.
You see, you see how thathappened?
So I give uh sowing this seed of$1,000 plus what I just read,
and I give a seed of$10,000.
That's that's that's my seed.
(28:01):
I'm sowing a seed of$10,000 plusall that I read, which is over
$20 something,000, and receivethe blessings to come to all
that participated.
Give God praise.
All right.
Then you'll just you'll takeyour offering if you still have
(28:21):
it.
I know some of you have alreadygiven, and uh you can give it to
me and we'll put it in here.
All right.
Show us how it's done, SisterWinens.
SPEAKER_01 (28:32):
I, Denise Winens, give in faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectingchurch of sowing this seed of
eleven hundred and seventydollars and my fundraiser of
eight hundred and thirtydollars.
Amen.
And receive.
SPEAKER_04 (28:50):
So look at that.
I cut that a little bit shortthere because he and his wife
both did it.
Now, she said, well, she onlygave eleven hundred and seventy
dollars, but she raised the plusone.
It was supposed to be a total oftwo thousand.
So what they're supposed to dois give a thousand or anywhere
close to it and get someone elseto give to contribute towards
another thousand or more.
Bishop pastor uh Pastor MarvinWeinitz, he went through, I
don't know if he's a bishop ornot, uh, but either way, uh, he
(29:13):
he went and he got all thosepeople, those names he read off,
were the people he went out andasked to sew plus his 10,000.
So he sowed 10,000, did so hegot in line first, said, I want
everybody to do it a certainway.
And if you remember in the bookof um Exodus, I believe it is
chapter 26, is it?
Chapter 25, uh uh that when theywere getting ready to build the
tabernacle, which is whatthey're doing, they're raising
money in order to build thisbuilding.
(29:34):
Uh when they were building thetabernacle, what did he say?
He said, Let the children ofIsrael bring me a willing
offering.
He said, Let them present it tome.
And what he was trying to do isfollow that same order and that
structure when it came to that.
That's how God told him to doit.
Who am I to say otherwise?
It's not my church, it's not mymantle, it's not my ministry,
it's not the people that Godgave me to take care of and to
(29:55):
shepherd.
If that's what God told the manof God to do, then so be it.
Let him do his job.
In Jesus' name.
The key is the people that arein there need to follow the
instruction.
Notice something I thought isvery profound.
The very thing he askedeverybody to do, he started with
himself.
It wasn't like he hold it to adifferent accountability.
And he sold one of the largestgifts there and got all those
(30:16):
people to solve.
There were people that peoplethat name said he read are
people outside of his ministrythat he went and got and
solicited those plus ones.
He said, You don't have to startat a thousand, but go get others
to help collect and to helpraise money towards that.
So that's what they did.
And part of the video, too, whenyou watch all of it, he talked
about how he said, listen,people don't understand that in
the church, we don't have um,you know, government agencies
(30:38):
that support us and uh productthat we sell.
I mean, we sometimes people havelike hats and shirts, but not on
a weekly basis.
That's not how we did it.
It's all by the giving of theparishioners, which is why we
have the institution of titheand offering.
And God promises to bless usbecause he understands that's
the way that he has his people,the product really that you get,
you're not paying for it, butGod asks you to sow as you feel
(31:01):
led into it, is the anointing,the presence of God, the word of
God, the covering of God, thehouse of God, all of that.
God saying, Hey, bring me thetithe and the offering as your
way of showing appreciation andas you sow into it.
The tithe we owe, though, Godconsiders it robbery if we don't
tithe.
The tithe belongs to them, theoffering is above that.
These people are bringing anoffering, a free will offering.
(31:22):
Whatever it is that God puts youon.
I love how we started it.
I have no issue.
I might have done it a littlebit differently, but I do not
have an issue that he called herout.
And I think it's important thatwe do not put our mouths on men
and women of God because theirculture is different than ours.
A lot of churches don't doofferings like that.
They all got in line.
They went through the wholechurch.
That's why I said, I got to doit a certain way so we can tally
(31:45):
it up and get it the way we needto get it.
Da-da-da-da.
And that was his way of doingit.
And if that's how he chose to doit, then that's how he chose to
do it.
And that's the way he felt led,and that's the way God told him
to do it.
And I support that.
I support any pastor.
They're not doing anythingillegal, unethical, immoral, or
unbiblical.
I have no issue with what theyare doing.
And there, I can show you theBible all the way through, even
(32:06):
down to the correction.
He did that for a reason.
And he wanted to make sureothers knew don't come up here
until you're called.
I asked you nicely to do that,and you just totally disregarded
that, which I believe the womanis disrespectful.
And if anything, that womancould even go and say, Pastor,
I'm sorry that I did not followyour order.
I'm sorry that I did not do whatit is that you asked me to do,
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and that it created all of thisbecause I was disobedient.
It even could have possiblybrought a reproach on the church
and on his name because he hadto correct a parishioner that
simply didn't know how to followinstructions.
Think about it when you'reyoung.
When you're in kindergarten,they'll say, get into a single
file line.
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And then he'll tell you, maybeline up by last name or line up
by number, count the odds andeven, two, four, six, eight,
one, two, odds, odds go here,evens go here.
I mean, we've seen it all.
And you follow the instructionof the teacher.
All she was asking had nothingto do with her amount, nothing
to do with her offering, justsimply follow instructions.
And the devil doesn't like thatbecause he's a devil of
(33:10):
disorder, he's a devil thatlikes to usurp authority, he's a
devil that's rebellious, and hedoesn't like that.
So as of course he's going to doeverything he can to try to lie.
That's why, as I wrap up, nevertake one thing out of context
and make a whole theology out ofit.
Do your homework.
Hallelujah.
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So listen, I hope that you'veenjoyed today's broadcast.
Hope that you've been blessed.
I've been blessed giving it toyou.
Keep on giving and sowing.
Matter of fact, I might have totake up some offerings in our
church.
We got some things coming up.
I'm probably going to be doingsome things soon because we've
got a build-up that we're doingand we've got to raise money to
do it.
But guess what?
God blesses his people, and Iguarantee you, I'll be sowing
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seed time and harvest just likeeverybody else.
We should live what it is thatwe preach in Jesus' name.
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Dimensions.
I said close them doors.
Ushers, close the doors.
Close the doors.
Close the doors.
We all gonna leave together.
Y'all ain't going no place butto the restaurant.
SPEAKER_03 (00:16):
I, Roberta McCoy, giving faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectedchurch, sowing this seed of a
thousand dollars plus twohundred and thirty-five dollars
and receiving the blessings tocome to all that participating.
SPEAKER_05 (00:31):
Now that that's only twelve hundred dollars.
SPEAKER_03 (00:34):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (00:35):
Y'all not listening to what I'm saying.
If you have a thousand plus athousand.
unknown (00:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (00:41):
Well, I'm gonna work on the other 800.
SPEAKER_05 (00:43):
Well, I that ain't what I asked you to do.
SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
Listen, y'all, there must be something about being a
Marvin and taking up anoffering.
I mean, I tell you what, you arenot gonna want to miss this
episode of Dimensions, where Ibreak down the autopsy of what
you just saw.
First, we had Marvin Sapp alittle bit ago talking about
close the doors and had thatoffering going.
And now we got Marvin Wynins.
(01:14):
Both of them, pastors, bishops,taking up offerings, going viral
for how they went about it.
Oh man, I can't wait to get inon this one.
You are not gonna want to missit.
Stay tuned.
Lock and load, ready yourweapons.
Dimensions is coming your wayright now.
(01:53):
Listen, there's always somethinggoing on here, Dimensions,
something that's popping off inthe news, something that's
happening in the world thatgives me an opportunity to talk
to you about what God is sayingin the prophetic now.
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(02:13):
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Listen, you're not gonna want tomiss this.
And I believe that there'sothers that's gonna want to hear
my autopsy on what happenedconcerning the Marvin Whinins.
(02:36):
The Marvin Whinins viraloffering video.
Not the Marvin tap, the MarvinWhinins viral video on giving an
offering.
I don't know what it is aboutthese Marvin's, man.
The Marvins are taking up theoffering.
I don't know if you just can'tbe a Marvin and take up an
offering because I not that Ihad a problem with Marvin Step
necessarily.
I mean, I already gave mycommentary on that, but what I'm
saying is just funny how you gottwo Marvin's in the same year
(02:59):
going viral for how they took upan offering.
Both of them singers, both ofthem preachers, both of them
taking up offerings.
What is the world coming to?
I'll tell you, there's alwayssomething going on here.
And that's why I want you to getit out so then people can hear
my commentary on what happenedthere.
And also, this is kind of myautopsy.
We're gonna break down whathappened.
You're not gonna want to missit.
It's gonna be good.
(03:19):
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(03:41):
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right to you, and you never,ever, ever will miss an episode.
But listen, let's get right intoit because I only got a short
amount of time.
I'm not here for a long time,but I'm here for a Holy Ghost
time.
And it's gonna be a great timetoday in Jesus' name.
I want to get in on this becauselisten, one of the things that
(04:03):
happens is this.
Now, I want to re-mr.
I want you to re-show that firstMarvin Weinins video here in
just a second, the one I justshowed.
Show the first Marvin Wininsvideo here because I want you to
take a peek at this, because Iwant to give you some commentary
beforehand.
Show it.
SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
I, Roberta McCoy, giving faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectingchurch or sowing this seed of
$1,000 plus$235 and receivingthe blessings to come to all
that participated.
SPEAKER_05 (04:35):
Now that that's only $1,200.
SPEAKER_03 (04:37):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (04:38):
Y'all not listening to what I'm saying.
If you have a thousand plus athousand, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (04:45):
Well, I'm gonna work on the other$800.
SPEAKER_05 (04:46):
Well, I that ain't what I asked you to do.
That ain't what he asked.
SPEAKER_04 (04:53):
All right, now listen, this is where I want to
get to.
If you were to watch just thatvideo right there, which is what
has gone viral, I've said thisbefore, and I'm gonna say it
again.
Everything must be taken intocontext.
The first thing I did is I wentthrough and I said, okay, wait a
minute here.
Everybody went viral.
(05:14):
People talking about$1,250wasn't enough.
How could he shoot somebody downbecause of this, that, and the
third?
And I'm sitting there thinkingin my mind, okay, wait a minute
here.
Somebody comes to church andsays, here's a check for$12 or
$50.
Most pastors aren't going to beangry at them or shut them down.
I said, wait a minute.
Let's look at the fullcontextualization of what
happened there.
And this is the reason why I'vetold people time and time again,
(05:37):
you never, ever, ever letGoogle, you don't let Facebook,
you don't let YouTube,Instagram, TikTok, you name any
one of the social mediaplatforms become your Bible
without doing research.
So what do you think is thefirst thing I did?
I went back through and Iwatched pretty much the whole
thing to figure out why thishappened and what took place,
(06:00):
which is what most people don'tdo.
And that's what when people arelazy, they take one clip and
they make a whole theology ofit.
And ladies and gentlemen, let meshow you some things here today.
Because the reality was, to beperfectly honest with you, right
up front, I had no issue withthe fact that he called
attention to this matter.
(06:20):
Now, I might address it maybe alittle bit differently, but who
am I to say how God's man needsto deal with it?
You forget the story of Ananiasand Sapphira when they lied
about how much they brought toGod.
And as a result of that, Petersaid, Ananias lied and Sapphira
died.
He said both of them were gonnabe dead.
They both died because they liedto the Holy Spirit about an
(06:41):
offering.
So who am I to say he wasn'tcalled to call her out?
I don't know.
But this is a thing you have tounderstand.
Every church has a culture.
Culture isn't necessarily goodor bad.
Culture is the way it is.
And a lot of African Americanchurches, this is how they take
up an offering.
Now let me say this to you (07:01):
this is something that I feel very
strongly about.
If it's not illegal, it's notunethical, it's not immoral, it
may not be the way I do it, itmay not be the way you do it, it
is not our responsibility to putour mouth on them.
You do not touch God's man orwoman with your mouth just
simply because you wouldn't doit that way.
Now you could say, hey, I maynot do it that way, but if
(07:23):
that's the way God told me to doit, then hey, support it.
There's a whole church therethat is totally okay with that
culture.
And this is the thing.
He had been preparing thisoffering.
They knew this day was coming.
It wasn't like he just took up arandom offering, a lady came up
and gave a thousand dollars, andthat was it.
This was a day of giving.
The church had been planningthis for some time.
(07:45):
They had actually gone out, andwhen you hear about him saying
1,000 plus one, they weresupposed to sew a thousand, and
they were supposed to go out andrecruit somebody that believed
in the ministry to sew athousand with them.
So, therefore, there was aprocess.
This thing was completely laidout.
And I want to show you this hereso you understand it.
(08:05):
Show us video number two.
SPEAKER_05 (08:10):
As we prepare to do this, because it's a lot to be
done, and we can get it done ifwe do it in an orderly fashion.
Say amen.
Listen to what he's saying.
Orderly fashion.
I need somebody with staminabecause we're gonna praise as we
give.
(08:31):
Nobody is being made, coerced,arms twisted.
We're doing it willingly becausewe have a future.
And if it's anything that I'vediscovered, as a matter of fact,
(08:54):
in Exodus the 25th chapter, hesaid if they don't give it
willingly, they can keep it.
And so we're believing God forgreat things.
We have a future.
And even though the enemy saidit wasn't gonna happen, the
devil is a liar.
(09:16):
And if it's anything that I'venoticed over the years, it is
when we come and give, there'san anointing that rests on it.
When we give sacrificially, andyou're gonna be a part of this
today.
Uh, this is our day of giving.
SPEAKER_04 (09:38):
And so look at this, ladies and gentlemen.
The whole church was aware andtotally understood that this day
was coming.
Now, this is the scripture Iwant to give to you.
Now, look at this.
Sometimes when you're taking uplarger offerings, sometimes you
can do it spontaneously.
There's other times I want toread out of the Amplified in 2
(09:59):
Corinthians chapter 9 and versenumber 5.
That is why I thought itnecessary to urge these brothers
to go to you before I come andmake arrangements in advance for
this generous, previouslypromised gift of yours so that
it would be ready.
Not as something extorted orwrung out of you, but as a
voluntary and generous gift.
Now remember this (10:18):
he who sows sparingly will also reap
sparingly.
He who sows generously, thatblessing may come to others,
will reap generously and beblessed.
Let each one give thoughtfullyand with purpose, just as he had
decided in his heart, notgrudgingly or under compulsion,
for God loves a cheerful giverand delights in the one whose
heart is in his gift.
And then he goes on, he talksabout how God's able to make all
(10:40):
grace about truth.
I'm not gonna read towards that.
There's basically a blessingthat comes as a result of that.
Notice this here, he gave themtime biblically to get prepared.
They knew this day was coming.
That's why the people wereapplauding, because they all had
their offering prepared, and hewas telling them this is the day
that we've been waiting for inorder to be able to give.
Now, listen, I want to say thisagain, because if you look there
on YouTube and Facebook,everybody's getting upset saying
(11:01):
Marvin Wynins is mean, and howcould he dare say a woman
shouldn't have gave$1,250?
Now, you saw that video rightfrom the jump.
She brought up$1,250.
Why would he rebuke her?
What was it he was rebuking herfor?
We're about to get into that injust a moment.
That's why you have to takeeverything in context.
That's why you got to doresearch.
I did it with Charlie Kirk.
I do it every time.
(11:22):
I don't just take one line thatsomebody says and then base
their whole theology based uponit.
I've heard people callingCharlie Kirk, literally calling
him trash, all these things, andsaying, listen, you have not
done any research.
Once again, look at all thesepeople that bring all these
things up.
I can't believe he called herout.
I can't believe when you do thefull research.
Now, that video by itself, if awoman's just coming up and
(11:43):
giving an offering, said, No,I'd go sit down.
You know, I wanted$2,000.
You didn't bring$2,000, it'sonly$1,250.
Well, then I'd have a wholenother statement that I have to
make.
But I'm about to show you whathappened beforehand.
That video right there was thefirst video I showed you about
when he corrected the womanabout bringing$1,250 instead of
(12:04):
$2,000.
That was more towards the end.
I want to show you everything hesaid leading up to it and why he
made that adjustment, why hecalled her out.
Let's take a look, Mr.
Producer, at the next video.
SPEAKER_05 (12:21):
Um, the ministers to prepare uh to come uh first
because the ecclesia has to bethe ones that lead it.
Now listen to me.
We're gonna do this a couple ofways.
(12:42):
Those that have the thousandplus one, that means you're
coming with your thousand thatyou're giving plus you've asked
someone else to give.
Now you don't have to stop at athousand, and we're gonna deal.
So, in other words, if you say,Pastor Wynans, uh, I'm coming
(13:07):
with my thousand plus anotherthree thousand, then you'll say
that.
You understand?
And if you didn't get uh plusone, but you maybe came with
$250, you're gonna come say thatthis is my thousand plus two
hundred and fifty.
You with me?
And we're gonna go all the waydown.
(13:29):
So I need you, in order for thisto work, I need you to come when
you're called with the offeringthat you're bringing.
If if if listen to me.
If you come and say, here's mythousand, and you don't have a
plus one, we're gonna have timefor that.
And I want you to come with joy,I want you to come with
(13:54):
excitement because as you giveto God, God gives back to you.
I need a praise.
I need somebody, hold on, yeah,yeah.
I need somebody to throw theirhead back and give God a shout
of praise.
SPEAKER_04 (14:09):
All right.
So look at that there.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Very clear on what he wanted.
Very clear on the instructionthat he wanted.
He said, listen, if you're notcoming with a thousand plus one,
I explained what the plus onewas about.
They're going to get, I said,some people get a whole lot
more.
Some people got three and fourthousand, some people had
10,000, whatever it might havebeen.
They went and they got, theysaid, We're gonna do this
(14:30):
completely in the Lord.
When you're called, I want youto come up.
This had nothing to do with heroffering amount.
But see, people will take thatand listen, let me say this.
The reason why the devil will dothat, because we are in a
season, I believe, that God iscalling his people to sow.
God's looking for people that hecan give through, not just give
(14:50):
to.
So if the devil can somehowpervert something using social
media to make something seemlike it isn't when it, or when
it is, that it is when it reallyisn't, then of course he's gonna
do that to get people to say, Iwas listening to somebody, uh, I
listened to The Breakfast Clubdo it.
And I was thinking about it, itwas Charlemagne the God, and he
was talking about how uh uh hesaid, Man, I don't understand
(15:11):
why they got to do it like that.
And uh, you know, whateverhappened to pass in the bucket.
And I said, Pass in the bucket.
I said, brother, that was backin the 90s, man.
I mean, people don't hardly everpass a bucket or play anymore.
You know, you still have a wayyou can give that way, but it's
completely different.
And he said, Oh, I don'tunderstand why they do it this
way and that way and the third,but see, they didn't take
everything in context as well.
They didn't realize he had givenclear directions.
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There was a certain way thatthey were doing things.
I think it's very important thatwe never speak ignorantly on a
matter.
What do I mean by that?
Always get your facts before youdraw a conclusion.
And if you are not familiar withchurch culture, every culture is
different.
I know some churches, they don'teven take up offerings anymore.
They have a bucket, they just doit, and they say, we don't even
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have an offering anymore.
People just give as they need togive.
That's what God tells them todo.
That's what God told them to do.
It's not my place to talk aboutpeople's culture.
Now, if it's illegal, unethical,or immoral, if there's something
unbiblical about it, then that'sanother story.
But just because somebodydoesn't do it my way doesn't
mean it's my business.
And let me tell you something.
It's very, very clear.
When God calls a man of God totake care of a flock, he does
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not have to confer with youbefore he directs another
person.
He doesn't have to direct you.
He doesn't have to say, well,let me explain to everybody why
I'm doing what it is that I'mdoing.
He's responsible for God.
He's responsible to those peopleto do what God leads him to do.
And so therefore, just becauseit's not the way your culture
would do it or the way you wouldwant it, doesn't mean you have a
right to speak against and saythat he's wrong.
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And I think that's the wholething about why we have so many
denominations and things now isbecause we have a lot of people
that do things different ways.
There are some churches I knowof right now.
I was in a church one time and Iwas there speaking for a few
moments.
And I in my culture, you alwaysgive honor to the pastor and to
the first lady or the pastor'swife or uh to the leaders that
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are there, and you honor them.
And so I said, Hey, everybody,you know, let's give it up for
pastor so-and-so.
Da-da-da.
They just kind of looked at me.
I said, Well, that was terrible.
I said, Y'all need to give it upfor this pastor.
And then they finally applauded,right?
At the end of service, I get outof service and I talk to the
pastor.
I said, Man, I said, I reallywas glad they came back right.
I said, Well, actually, we don'tdo that here.
He said, We don't really give uhhonor to pastors and things like
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that the way that your culturedoes.
And it wasn't a negative thing.
I said, Oh, I didn't evenrealize that.
But I think the people reallyenjoyed it, to be honest with
you.
And I didn't do it, I did itunintentionally, but my point is
that just because they don't dothat doesn't mean my way's
better.
Just because they don't do it myway doesn't mean their way's
better.
That's why we have differentcultures.
And I think it's important thatwe keep our mouths off of people
just because their culture doesnot reflect ours.
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As long as it's not illegal,unethical, or moral, or there's
something that's completelyunbiblical, I'm gonna allow
people to have their way.
Move as you see fit, do what yougotta do.
But he made, I want to go backfor a minute.
He made it very clear on whathis intentions were, what he
wanted to be done.
Mr.
Producer, go back to the firstvideo now because I want you to
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see again.
Now he made it very clear.
In order to do this the rightway, we've got to do everything
decently in order.
We've got to do this, we've gotto do that.
I want you to come when yourtime has called and look at what
the lady did.
Bring it up for me.
SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
I, Roberta McCoy, giving faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectingchurch or sowing this seed of
$1,000 plus$235 and receivingthe blessings to come to all
that participated.
SPEAKER_05 (18:25):
Now that that's only $1,200.
SPEAKER_03 (18:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (18:28):
Y'all not listening to what I'm saying.
If you have a thousand plus athousand.
unknown (18:34):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
I'm gonna work on the other$800.
SPEAKER_05 (18:37):
Well, I that ain't what I asked you to do.
SPEAKER_04 (18:45):
Okay, so look at this here.
Now, he said very, very clearlywhat he wanted done.
Someone completely broke rank,broke protocol, did it.
Am I mad because she gave$1,250?
Is he upset because she gave$1250?
He had nothing to do with heramount.
Had the fact of matter that hehad a certain way that he wanted
things to be done.
And listen, you have tounderstand sometimes when you
have things like that, that'sjust disorder.
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Whether she was, well, I'm gonnawork another 800.
He said, I didn't ask for that.
I'm asking you to follow what Iwas saying to be done.
That's like if you were in aline, say, for example, if
you're at a uh, say, forexample, you're at a dinner,
okay?
And they said, listen, we aregonna go by table.
You ever been to one of those?
We got 30 tables, we're gonnatake tables one through five.
And you jump up and you'renumber 18, decide you're gonna
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get in line, and they say,excuse me, ma'am, you can't do
that in front of everybodybecause you did it, you got a
line.
Are they gonna say they didn'twant her to eat?
They didn't want him to eat.
That had nothing to do with it.
That had nothing to do with it.
It was the fact that she brokerank.
Now, let me quickly andparenthetically insert this.
I personally would have dealtwith that.
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I would have, I'll be honest, Iwould have dealt with it too.
If I asked people to do acertain thing in service and
you're blatantly going todisregard it, let me tell you
this.
Very, very important that weare, we we as pastors, some of
you may not understand this, youhave to be careful of rebellion
in your church.
What do I mean by rebellion?
He was very clear.
If you watch the videos that Ishow, go back and listen to it
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again.
He said, and I need you all tolisten, I need you to hear me.
I mean, he kept saying it overand over and over again.
So for whatever reason, he feltit was very important that it's
done in this systematic way.
He never downplayed the fact.
He said, if you're only giving athousand, there's gonna be time
for that too.
And I want you to come with joy.
He didn't leave anybody out.
And she made a decision tosupersede rank and break rank
(20:31):
and say, I'm gonna do it my way.
I do not have an issue with thefact that Marvin, Bishop Pastor
Patrick, uh Pastor MarvinWeinans uh called called her
out.
I don't have a problem withthat.
She was in there, she blatantlyand disregarded uh an order that
was given from the pulpit.
The Bible says to do everythingin decently in order.
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And something that we have lostin the body of Christ is
spiritual authority.
Spiritual authority is notsomebody telling you how to live
your life.
Spiritual authority means inregards to things of the kingdom
and the house of God, there is ahierarchy, there's a rank, just
like you have on your job.
There is a there, you have asupervisor, you've got shift
supervisors, you've gotmanagers, you've got HR
(21:13):
department people, you've gotall these different people that
have heads of differentdepartments, making sure the
department ran well.
If it works that way in theworld, why wouldn't it be the
same way in the church?
There is spiritual authoritythat's happened.
Now, that doesn't mean that theperson on your job can tell you
how to live your life.
That doesn't mean the person onyour job can tell you what time
you can get up in the morning,what time you shouldn't get up
in the morning, and this, that,and the third.
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But what it is, it means when weare in the house of God, we are
called to submit to theauthority of God.
And the Bible says allauthority.
You can read Romans chapter 13,all authority comes from God,
whether in the church or outsideof the church.
We have to be submitted to thosethings.
You have to follow protocol.
She broke that protocol.
(21:55):
She broke that protocol, didwhat she was gonna do, and he
called her out.
Now, would I have handled itmaybe the exact same way he did?
Probably not.
Would I have called it out?
Yes.
How would I have done it?
I would have done it maybe alittle bit differently, but I
don't have an issue with himaddressing that.
I do not.
She he made it very, very clearof what his instructions were,
and she violated that.
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Rebellion, the Bible says, is asthe sin of witchcraft.
You're just gonna go up there,you just go, the pastor done
told you what he wanted.
You're gonna go up there, and hewould say, I'm sorry, Pastor, I
know you told me to wait, butI'm coming anyways.
To be honest with you, I don'teven know if God will even honor
that type of a gift.
I don't know if he will.
Now, I don't know what hermotive was and what her
(22:37):
intentions were, but if you lookit on the news, maybe I'll bring
that up tomorrow.
I don't know.
I'll see what the Lord leads.
But if she actually theyactually, the news came and
actually did a spot on it, andhe explained it, and she said he
did not rebuke me.
He didn't call me out any waythat what he should have done.
She actually defended him inthat.
And rightfully so.
Rightfully so.
Yep, I said it rightfully so.
(22:57):
And what you're seeing onYouTube and Facebook, people
saying, Oh yeah, he he he it2250 wasn't enough.
Oh, he rebuked her because thatshe said it wasn't a rebuke,
which in a sense it really was.
But she said, No, she didn't getmad or anything on that line.
He made it very clear what hewanted, and she just cut in
line.
She said, I'm gonna do it myway.
And as a result of that, hecalled it out.
(23:20):
I don't have an issue with that.
And you want to know why?
Look at what the Bible says in 1Timothy chapter number 5.
Look at here.
Those who are sinning rebuke inthe presence of all, that the
rest also might fear.
Wow.
Look at this in the Amplified.
First Timothy chapter 5, versenumber 20.
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As for those who continue insin, reprimand them in the
presence of all thecongregation, so that the rest
may be warned.
That's another passage ofscripture there that the Bible
clearly says.
Let's look at the New Americanstandard.
Let's just look at somedifferent versions of this.
Those who continue in sin,rebuke in the presence of all,
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so that the rest also will befearful of sin.
And people, well, is that reallya sin?
Of course it is.
Of course it is.
See, listen, ladies andgentlemen, you cannot allow
rebellion to go on in thechurch.
You can't allow rebellion inyour home.
You can't allow it on the job.
If people are just gonnablatantly usurp authority,
whether it seems like a big dealto you or not, the devil deals
subtly.
(24:26):
And what he says, oh, don't sayanything about that.
That's okay, just let it go.
I know, especially something hewas very, very clear on.
Don't do it this way.
Please don't do this.
I need you to follow mydirection.
Very, very important.
Because what will happen now,listen to me when I say this.
Why is that important?
Because every other person thathas a rebellious spirit will
feel the freedom to disregardthe direct authority from the
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man or woman of God.
Some of y'all may not understandthat, but even on your job, if
you tell everybody, hey, you gotto do this and then you don't do
it, it gives them permission todisregard authority.
If you don't hold peopleaccountable to what you said to
do, it gives people permissionto disregard.
If it's not important to you to,if you're gonna call something
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out and it's not importantenough for you to enforce it, it
won't be important enough forpeople to abide by it and people
that have an issue withrebellion, people that feel they
can get away and do whateverthey want, they will take the
liberty to do so and you'll bethe only person to blame.
You have to hold peopleaccountable.
If you look at greatchampionship teams, they say the
thing that changed them is whenthe coaches started holding the
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players accountable for how theydid their job.
It's the same way in the thingsof God.
You got to hold peopleaccountable.
If you don't hold peopleaccountable to it, they're not
gonna follow because if you'resaying, you're gonna preach this
big thing, I need you to follow,I need you to follow.
It's very, very important, very,very important.
And then you just people come upand do whatever they want and
you say, uh, it's okay, I'm justgonna let it go.
What that is telling every otherperson in the church that your
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word doesn't matter, it doesn'tcount, you really don't mean
what you say.
It's okay to violate a directorder, and everything is all
messed up.
We cannot have that.
That's why the Bible says rebukethem.
When they are blatantlyviolating a word, rebuke them
openly, that others may fearsinning.
Now, last thing I want to get tobefore I wrap this up today.
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I hope that you've been beingblessed by this.
Is I want to show you something.
I think it's very profound.
One of the things that I thinkis phenomenal of a pastor, a
pastor uh that is willing tolive what he preaches.
And I wanted to show you thishere because not only people,
people, they didn't mention it,they didn't mention the fact
that he had a preamble to all ofthis, where he mentioned about
(26:34):
how she he wanted everyone to dothis decently in order.
And there's a certain way andstructure that he wanted
everybody to give, but everybodywas important, everybody was
gonna come along.
Put that in context with justthe fact that he called her out
because she brought up twelvehundred and fifty dollars.
And I think it's also importantto mention that he was willing
to do it himself, exactly whathe said to do.
(26:54):
Mr.
Producer, let's roll the lastvideo.
SPEAKER_05 (26:59):
Just an hour ago, a thousand dollar contribution
from Richard Andrews, uh, doingwhat he said he was gonna do.
Benjamin Wynnes.
Linda Stewart, my cousin, this$1,000.
(27:19):
Bishop Nathan Wells of Texas,$1,000.
Lady that showed up for 6 a.m.
prayer, Shalina M.
Shaw,$1,000.
Uh I'll call him this afternoonbecause he's coming.
Bishop Daryl Hines,$1,000.
Uh Pastor Tommy Bates,$1,000.
Pastor Tim Delina,$1,000.
(27:39):
Bishop George and MarySeawright,$1,000.
You see, you see how thathappened?
So I give uh sowing this seed of$1,000 plus what I just read,
and I give a seed of$10,000.
That's that's that's my seed.
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I'm sowing a seed of$10,000 plusall that I read, which is over
$20 something,000, and receivethe blessings to come to all
that participated.
Give God praise.
All right.
Then you'll just you'll takeyour offering if you still have
(28:21):
it.
I know some of you have alreadygiven, and uh you can give it to
me and we'll put it in here.
All right.
Show us how it's done, SisterWinens.
SPEAKER_01 (28:32):
I, Denise Winens, give in faith and stand in unity
with the vision of perfectingchurch of sowing this seed of
eleven hundred and seventydollars and my fundraiser of
eight hundred and thirtydollars.
Amen.
And receive.
SPEAKER_04 (28:50):
So look at that.
I cut that a little bit shortthere because he and his wife
both did it.
Now, she said, well, she onlygave eleven hundred and seventy
dollars, but she raised the plusone.
It was supposed to be a total oftwo thousand.
So what they're supposed to dois give a thousand or anywhere
close to it and get someone elseto give to contribute towards
another thousand or more.
Bishop pastor uh Pastor MarvinWeinitz, he went through, I
don't know if he's a bishop ornot, uh, but either way, uh, he
(29:13):
he went and he got all thosepeople, those names he read off,
were the people he went out andasked to sew plus his 10,000.
So he sowed 10,000, did so hegot in line first, said, I want
everybody to do it a certainway.
And if you remember in the bookof um Exodus, I believe it is
chapter 26, is it?
Chapter 25, uh uh that when theywere getting ready to build the
tabernacle, which is whatthey're doing, they're raising
money in order to build thisbuilding.
(29:34):
Uh when they were building thetabernacle, what did he say?
He said, Let the children ofIsrael bring me a willing
offering.
He said, Let them present it tome.
And what he was trying to do isfollow that same order and that
structure when it came to that.
That's how God told him to doit.
Who am I to say otherwise?
It's not my church, it's not mymantle, it's not my ministry,
it's not the people that Godgave me to take care of and to
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shepherd.
If that's what God told the manof God to do, then so be it.
Let him do his job.
In Jesus' name.
The key is the people that arein there need to follow the
instruction.
Notice something I thought isvery profound.
The very thing he askedeverybody to do, he started with
himself.
It wasn't like he hold it to adifferent accountability.
And he sold one of the largestgifts there and got all those
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people to solve.
There were people that peoplethat name said he read are
people outside of his ministrythat he went and got and
solicited those plus ones.
He said, You don't have to startat a thousand, but go get others
to help collect and to helpraise money towards that.
So that's what they did.
And part of the video, too, whenyou watch all of it, he talked
about how he said, listen,people don't understand that in
the church, we don't have um,you know, government agencies
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that support us and uh productthat we sell.
I mean, we sometimes people havelike hats and shirts, but not on
a weekly basis.
That's not how we did it.
It's all by the giving of theparishioners, which is why we
have the institution of titheand offering.
And God promises to bless usbecause he understands that's
the way that he has his people,the product really that you get,
you're not paying for it, butGod asks you to sow as you feel
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led into it, is the anointing,the presence of God, the word of
God, the covering of God, thehouse of God, all of that.
God saying, Hey, bring me thetithe and the offering as your
way of showing appreciation andas you sow into it.
The tithe we owe, though, Godconsiders it robbery if we don't
tithe.
The tithe belongs to them, theoffering is above that.
These people are bringing anoffering, a free will offering.
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Whatever it is that God puts youon.
I love how we started it.
I have no issue.
I might have done it a littlebit differently, but I do not
have an issue that he called herout.
And I think it's important thatwe do not put our mouths on men
and women of God because theirculture is different than ours.
A lot of churches don't doofferings like that.
They all got in line.
They went through the wholechurch.
That's why I said, I got to doit a certain way so we can tally
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it up and get it the way we needto get it.
Da-da-da-da.
And that was his way of doingit.
And if that's how he chose to doit, then that's how he chose to
do it.
And that's the way he felt led,and that's the way God told him
to do it.
And I support that.
I support any pastor.
They're not doing anythingillegal, unethical, immoral, or
unbiblical.
I have no issue with what theyare doing.
And there, I can show you theBible all the way through, even
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down to the correction.
He did that for a reason.
And he wanted to make sureothers knew don't come up here
until you're called.
I asked you nicely to do that,and you just totally disregarded
that, which I believe the womanis disrespectful.
And if anything, that womancould even go and say, Pastor,
I'm sorry that I did not followyour order.
I'm sorry that I did not do whatit is that you asked me to do,
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and that it created all of thisbecause I was disobedient.
It even could have possiblybrought a reproach on the church
and on his name because he hadto correct a parishioner that
simply didn't know how to followinstructions.
Think about it when you'reyoung.
When you're in kindergarten,they'll say, get into a single
file line.
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And then he'll tell you, maybeline up by last name or line up
by number, count the odds andeven, two, four, six, eight,
one, two, odds, odds go here,evens go here.
I mean, we've seen it all.
And you follow the instructionof the teacher.
All she was asking had nothingto do with her amount, nothing
to do with her offering, justsimply follow instructions.
And the devil doesn't like thatbecause he's a devil of
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disorder, he's a devil thatlikes to usurp authority, he's a
devil that's rebellious, and hedoesn't like that.
So as of course he's going to doeverything he can to try to lie.
That's why, as I wrap up, nevertake one thing out of context
and make a whole theology out ofit.
Do your homework.
Hallelujah.
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So listen, I hope that you'veenjoyed today's broadcast.
Hope that you've been blessed.
I've been blessed giving it toyou.
Keep on giving and sowing.
Matter of fact, I might have totake up some offerings in our
church.
We got some things coming up.
I'm probably going to be doingsome things soon because we've
got a build-up that we're doingand we've got to raise money to
do it.
But guess what?
God blesses his people, and Iguarantee you, I'll be sowing
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seed time and harvest just likeeverybody else.
We should live what it is thatwe preach in Jesus' name.
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