Women In Ministry; Sex and Dating; Appropriate Dress For Christians; w/ Guest Marcia Jones-Washington

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Marcia Jones-Washington shares her journey of founding the PA Women of Chaplaincy and pursuing higher education in her 50s, proving age is no barrier to following God's calling in ministry.

• Marcia earned her bachelor's degree at 50 and master's degree at 55, demonstrating it's never too late to pursue education
• The PA Women of Chaplaincy provides a safe space for female chaplains to discuss unique challenges in their field
• Dating and marriage require establishing boundaries that honor God's design and keep judgment unclouded
• Modesty in dress reflects our identity as ambassadors of Christ across all settings, not just in church
• Healthy marriages require intentional date nights and viewing challenges as opportunities for spiritual growth
• The PA Women of Chaplaincy will host its third annual conference on September 13th at Geneva College

Join us for the upcoming Voices for the Unborn fifth annual gala on August 16th at Duquesne Power Center. Email [e-mail] for more information on sponsoring a table or volunteering.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, welcome everybody back to another
edition of Dimensions.
I'm Jay Anthony Gilbert,alongside my beautiful wife,
pastor Tiffany, and we are soexcited that you have tuned in
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Let everybody know that you'reenjoying what it is that we're
doing here on dimensions yeah,we are back we're back, we're
back, we're back, and it'ssummer, we gotta stay back too.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We, we gotta stay, we have to stay back, but it's
summertime, we're enjoying theweather.
I hope you are too, but it'ssupposed to rain for a little
bit, like for a long time I'mgonna be good for listen y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I had to do some rototilling, and we have.
I didn't realize how much claythere was in pennsylvania, man.
See, I'm from new york man,where we have real soil out here
it's like concrete and I had tobreak all that stuff up.
So a little rain is gonna helpour our new grass pad.
But I get it though.
I mean it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
And we actually had a little, some little friends at
our front door.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Yeah, you can tell that story,I will.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know if anybody has had.
It was the most interestingthing.
I wanted to exchange my wreathout, and so I said, oh, I have a
brand new wreath that I want toput in.
And so I got my wreath and Itook my.
I went to take my old wreathoff of the door and I, you know,
I was walking and I went intothe garage, all of a sudden I

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heard these little like birdnoises, these little chirps, and
I'm like, where in the world isthis coming from?
Well, right when I set down thewreath, I looked down and
there's literally a nest full oflittle baby.
I mean, these babies were justborn.

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I mean they just they had justbaby chicks.
they had skin and I was just Ididn't know what to do.
So what did they?
Just, they had just baby chicks, baby chicks.
They had skin and I was just, Ididn't know what to do.
So what, what did we do, babe?
We put them on that wall, Can Itell?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
the one I did.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
So, listen, everybody , this is what I did, this is
what my, my hubby made me do.
Okay, so we moved.
We moved the, the bird, the,the wreath with the nest in it.
We moved it like to the porcharea so I could put my new
wreath up.
And I said, well, you know what?
They're still intact, they'regoing to live, they're going to
be alive.
Well, it was interesting.

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I didn't know this.
The mom kept flying to the newwreath, flying back to the new
wreath and then flying away, andI didn't realize.
She didn't even see where theywere.
So I said, babe, I said go putthe wreath up.
Go put the wreath back up, theold one with the birds in it.
What did you tell me?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I told you yes, ma'am , I'll go do that right now.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Go ahead and do it.
He did not.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
See trying to throw me under the bus.
He said you do it, go do it,and so well this is the reason
why there's a long story behind,but I'm not going to get into
it now because time would failus to be able to do that, but uh
I'm not going to know all of itabout when she set the house on
fire, so I'm not going to gointo all of that.
I'm not going to go into allthat there, but that's a whole
another story.
So I was.
I'm the better person to do thelookout, I got her back.

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She will leave me hanging y'all.
I'd be out there fighting birdsand bats and everything else.
No, I don't think so.
She'd be in the house ducking.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So I didn't want to do that.
Nevertheless, here's the.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's why it's good to have both sides of the
pancake.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, here's the end.
You want to know the end?
Here's the end.
The end is that all the birdsthey lived.
We put.
I put the wreath back up theold wreath.
So I didn't leave the oldwreath up for a little bit, I
put the old wreath back up onthe nest.
I wish I had pictures that wecould show them.
But um, put the old wreath upand then one day they, everybody

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, flew, the, they flew the coop,so flew the coop they lived,
they survived, mom fed them, andthey're all flying somewhere
else, so we managed to to nursethem.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
We did so before we get into everything.
Why don't you tell everybody,give them an update on what's
going on with VFTU?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah well, we're really excited.
You know, God's been so goodwith Voices for the Unborn.
We are knocking literally onthe door of saving 60 babies, 60
lives that may not have beenhere, full of purpose and
giftings and talents and destiny.
So we're really excited aboutthat and proud of that and

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honored I should say reallyhonored is the key word here
that God used us and using us,along with the others that have
partnered with us in thisministry.
But we have some exciting newsto share with you, some updates.
Many of you may or may not knowthat we have been praying for a
nurse, and the right nurse,because our desire is to go

(05:35):
fully medical, and so we havefound the nurse.
Where's the applause?
Do I get an applause?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
No, I don't have one of those yet, not today, okay.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
All right, no applause, so he'll be my
applause for the evening.
But it's really such a blessingthat we have found the right
nurse and so we aretransitioning into becoming a
full blown medical center.
Our store, which is rightacross the street, our material
assistance store, is doingextremely well.
We just had an event for themoms and all we did everybody we

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just blessed them.
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
We just blessed them.
We blessed them with food andit was great because they were
able to fellowship andconversate with other moms that
were in that particular positionat one point, and now we've
been in it for a few years.
So it's really cool, babe,because some of the what were
babies are now toddlers and nowthey're in there playing with

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each other.
That's awesome, you know what Imean Playing around and they're
talking and all that stuff.
So, coming up though and thisis where I need your help Coming
up, we have our.
It's our fifth annual gala,correct?
Fifth annual gala, and it'sgoing to be August 16th at the

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Duquesne Power Center onDuquesne University's campus, of
course, and, if you areinterested, we want every year
it gets better and better, andwe don't have any.
We believe it's going to bebetter this year than it was
last year, and so you might say,okay, well, how can I help?
You know, how can I link arms?
How can I partner?
Well, a couple of ways that youcan partner.
You can sponsor a table.
That table would be a thousanddollars to sponsor.

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You could come and volunteer.
You could pray.
We need prayer.
Prayer is so important as wemove forward and do kingdom here
on this earth and really focusin on what's on God's heart, one
of the things that's reallyclose to God's heart.
So, if you could come, if youare interested, all you have to
do is email, email admin atelwccorg.

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Again, that's admin at elwccorg.
Come on, join in.
We'll have a phenomenal speaker.
It's really everybody that'scome there.
Babe has really said not onlyhas it been a good event, but
you can feel the presence of Godthere.
You can just really feel thepresence of God there, so come

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on.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
August 16th.
If you want more information,go to admin at elwccorg and come
and join with us.
You'll hear more about that aswe get closer to it, but tonight
we're real excited becausewe've got a couple of things
that we're going to get into.
We're going to be talking aboutwomen in ministry.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Hallelujah.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
We're going to be talking about women in ministry.
Hallelujah, we're going to betalking about you can be in your
50s, 60s and 70s and start abrand new ministry.
Go back to school.
We have somebody real specialthat's coming on in just a
moment.
It's going to be talking aboutthat.
I mean, there's so many thingsthat are happening in the world
today.
Like I said, we want to talkabout the riots that are going
on right now and what's beenhappening, so that's going to be

(08:46):
coming up as well.
So you want to stick around,but, once again, take a minute.
Don't forget like, subscribe,follow, share.
Take a minute right now.
Share this to your page.
The other people know thatdementia is in town.
Women in ministry is a big, bigtopic.
So we've got a great womanthat's coming on that we are
getting to know and just soappreciate all that she's doing,
and so I'm going to let PastorTiff go ahead and bring her on

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and give her an officialintroduction to Dimensions.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, you know what.
I just want to give somebackground information, because
she's a phenomenal woman of God.
She's accomplished a lotthroughout her year, so just
some highlights.
She founded the PA Women ofChaplaincy and Pastoral Care and
serves as the facilitator forits monthly online meetings.
She has her BS degree incommunity ministry from Geneva

(09:34):
College.
I don't know if any of you areGeneva College alums, which is
located in Beaver Falls,pennsylvania, and then she
received her master's degree inpastoral studies from Loyola
University of Chicago, and thisis what I love here too.
I mean, all these are great.
But she has been married okay,everybody to her best friend,

(09:57):
anthony for 31 years, and I wantto know when I bring her on, I
want to know how did shemaintain that type of best
friend relationship for 31 years?
So, miss Marsha Washington,come on in join us.
It's so good to have you withus.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's such a blessing to be here.
Thank you, thank you to be here.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thank you, thank you.
So tell us, I really want toknow.
You know I'm kind of you know,kind of undercover, getting some
pointers from you for 31 years.
We're about halfway there, okay.
So we're not there all the wayyet.
So tell me just a little bitbefore we kind of dive into
everything else.
I'm just curious how did youmaintain Because you know you
just didn't say okay, I've beenmarried to him for 31 years.

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It's like that's my best friend, bestie.
My bestie.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
My BFF.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's right.
So tell me, I mean, what's thekey?
What's the key to having a bestfriend of 31 years?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Wow, I hope this answer won't let you down, but
I'm not sure I felt like he wasmy best friend the whole 31
years.
There's been those momentswhere it was like, oh boy, you
know, can we, can we make ithere?
But yeah, before a good part ofthe marriage, and we did start

(11:18):
out as friends too.
I think that's important.
We started out as friends and,yeah, and I just think you know,
a lot of prayer has beennecessary, a lot of
understanding and just realizingthat you know we're all flawed
human beings, you know, and so Ithink you know.

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Really, one of my thoughts istoo I think everybody comes into
a marriage with their own brandof crazy.
And so it's a matter ofconnecting with that person
where you know you can work themout together.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I think Pastor Jay has a little bit more crazy than
I do.
I'm just saying, I'm justputting it out there.
I think he has a lot more crazythan I do.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Ms Marsha, you know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to show the characterof Christ and I'm going to be
meek in this moment.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
A soft answer turneth away crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, oh, what about the wrath?
You put wrath.
I'm crazy for wrath, so, but goon, I didn't mean to interrupt
you.
Go on, that's good though.
No, that's good though.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, that's all I was saying.
I think it just takesunderstanding and, like I said,
realizing that you're bothflawed individuals and just
working things out together.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, you know it's funny, Marsha.
I was talking to a person todayand they haven't been married
very long and they're alreadytalking about the possibility
Like I don't know if I want todo this anymore.
And I said, listen, we've allbeen there.
Anybody that says they've neverfelt like throwing in the towel
is probably I'm not going tosay definitely, probably got a
lying spirit, becauseeverybody's dealt with something

(12:56):
, and I like what you said too.
Everybody brings some form ofdysfunction into the
relationship.
Everybody has baggage in theirlife, things that they've been
through, whether it's been inrelationship, whether it's in
their personal life, whetherit's their own personal
proclivities and struggles,whatever it is that it might be.
We all have something that weneed to work on and I love what
you said about that.

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We all have something, and it'sbeing patient, showing the love
of God.
And I am firmly convinced thatGod did not make marriage to
make you happy.
He did it to make you holy, andmany things that you can't
change in your spouse, God usesas a buffer to try to change you
.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's so true, that is so true.
Well, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I'm just going to add and I think the thing is too
people forget, or maybe theydon't hear that much about
anymore Marriage is meant to bea covenant relationship.
And I even the thing is toopeople forget, or maybe they
don't hear that much about itanymore Marriage is meant to be
a covenant relationship, and Ieven had posted that on LinkedIn
.
Someone had posted somethingabout marriage and I said it's
meant to be a covenantrelationship, not a temporary
one.
And now you know people, itseems they almost see it more as

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temporary or just disposable.
Oh, we can always get a divorce.
Why are you even consideringthat as an option?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know so anyway, let me give you said temporary,
which I agree, or contractual,I'll do my part.
If I get what I want back, it'stransactional.
And if you have a transactionalrelationship, it will be
temporary, because you're goingto let each other down, you're
going to fall short.
But that's where that agape hasgot to kick in.
There's got to be that agapelove that works back and forth.

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There are times that I don'tdeserve my wife's love but she
is required to give it to me.
There's times she doesn'tdeserve my love but I'm required
to give it to her.
And I love what you said aboutthat covenant that has been so
lost because nowadays, if youthink about it, everybody's got
a way to get out.
Nowadays I mean, think about ityou go anywhere.
They're like no contracts, nocommitment, no this, it doesn't

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matter whether you're getting aphone line, it doesn't matter
anything.
People don't want to becommitted to anything dealing
with church.
I don't want anything that'slocking me down, because if I
want to get out, if I want toget free, I can go about my
business and I don't have to beheld down by anyone or anything.
And I'm a firm believer and youknow.
I'd love to hear your take onthis.
I believe that many times, inbeing rooted in something that

(15:18):
is uncomfortable, god will usethat many a times to develop the
fruit in our lives, because Ibelieve that your fruit is
determined by your root, andmany people don't stay rooted
long enough when things getdifficult to see the production
of what God is trying to workout in their lives, because they
uproot and move to the nextthing.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, yeah, I would have to say you know that that's
likely true and I can evenrecall a situation.
True, and I can even recall asituation.
I forget how long Tony and Ihave been married at this point,
maybe no more than three orfour years.
But he had lost his job andmeanwhile I had started working
a couple jobs.

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But I remember at some point Iwas thinking, maybe I'll just
tell him he had been before wewere married.
He had been living with hissister and I was like, maybe
I'll just tell him he should goback and live with his sister
for a while.
I'll go live with my mom for awhile and we'll just try to come
back together later.
But as I was even just havingthat thought, it was like the

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Lord asked me where was that inyour marriage vows?
And I was like oh man, you knowit's for better or for worse,
you know richer for poor.
And I was like oh, I guess Ican't make that suggestion, you
know, and yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
What's next?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, I wish we could stay.
This is like good.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
We can all come back to it.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
This is great.
I think there's a lot of.
You know what, ms Marsha?
I think there's a lot ofcouples that need it.
You know, I think to your point.
You know, back in the day itwas like no, we stay together,
no matter what happens, we staytogether.
And then you know, now, presentday it is, it's like well, I'm
out, you don't do, or you don'tmake me feel the way that I want

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to feel.
You don't do what I want you todo.
Then see you later, I'm done,but this is good.
I'd love to kind of go back,maybe at some point to that,
whether it's now or another day.
But I want to move on tosomething that we always like to
do.
That's customary for us onDimensions is would you rather,
are you willing to kind of havesome fun with us?
Yes, yes, okay, All right, allright, would you rather?

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Let's start here.
So the first question is wouldyou rather have seven years of
famine with no plagues or 10years of plagues?
But listen, you have plenty offood, you have all the food that
you want.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Which one would you pick?
Which one would you pick?
I have to go with the famine.
I don't like any type of plague.
I don't like the sound of theplagues.
I remember the biblical plagues, right, no?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
All those plagues.
There's a lot that comes withthose plagues.
But, Ms Russell, what are yougoing to eat?

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I know, I know, I'll just you know, hold up or laugh
as long as you can.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, you can have locusts, a locust and wild honey
, like John the Baptist, you cando that, all right.
Hey, what would you do?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I'm taking the food I'm always curious.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
You're taking the food.
Well, let me say this.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'm going to add my own little thing.
She said would you rather haveseven years of famine with no
plagues, or 10 years of pl?
If there's lights in Egypt,there ain't none in my house.
If there's darkness in Egypt,it's bright in my house.
That's right.
That's right.
I'm a Goshenite y'all.
But no, honestly, to stay trueto the game, I want food.
I want food Because you know, Imean the plagues and all that.

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It's almost like David.
When God gave him those threedifferent things, he said well,
do you want yourilence or do youwant?
There's one other thing I can'tremember what it was, or run
from your enemies, or somethinglike that.
I can't remember what it was,but he gave him three things.
He said you know what?
I'm going to turn my hands overto the Lord.
So I would rather take the foodand trust God to deliver me
from the plagues.
But I guess you'd go the otherway around too.

(19:20):
I have the living Gosha.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
There we go.
All right, all right, so thatwas good.
So next question is would yourather see a 12 year old Jesus
preaching at the temple or anadult Jesus flipping all those
tables at the temple?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Oh, Wow, I think I would like to see that
12-year-old Jesus.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I thought that too.
So why?
What made you think you knowthe younger Jesus?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, you don't hear a lot about him at that age.
I mean that's, you know onestory and you know, of course,
when his parents you know Maryand Joseph go off and they come
back and find him.
You know that's where they findhim.
But yeah, I would just like tohear, you know, see and hear him
at that age.
I think that would be veryinteresting and you know, the

(20:13):
elder is even marveling at himand wondering wow, where did he
get this knowledge from At 12.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, at 12.
That's good.
What about you?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
At 12.
Yeah, yeah at 12.
That's good.
What about?
You See, I'm going to go withthe other one.
Really, there's a reason why.
Because we see a lot of thingswith Jesus, you know, being nice
and all that.
I want to see Jesus flippingthe script, I ain't going to lie
.
I want to see him saying youknow, I'm tired of you.
Jesus took his belt off, rightthere.
He took his belt, whipping theplace.
I'm like I'd like to see, likewhat happened that he got so

(20:44):
upset in the temple, yeah, andlike nobody messed with him
either.
So there was something abouthim at that point where the hood
came out.
You know what I mean.
The hood came out, he was readyto flex.
I mean.
So I, you know, you see Jesusbeing nice, compassionate.
You see him forgiving everybody, working miracles.
But that's the only place inScripture you see him saying,

(21:05):
hey, I had enough.
And so I would like to witnessthat, because I would just like
to see what his, and then I wantto know what it was like
afterwards when you went and haddinner.
You know what happened afterall of that.
He sat down with the disciples.
I'm sure the disciples werelike yo.
You know what I mean you alright, I was like yo you all right,
because they're probablywondering.
They've never seen him likethat.

(21:25):
It's the only place inscripture that you see Jesus,
divinity and humanity bothacting at the same time.
But, you know, in a place ofanger righteous anger, so I
would like to see that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's good Last question Would you rather sit at
the feet of Jesus while heteaches or prepare the last
supper for?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Jesus and the disciples.
Oh, that's a tough one, isn'tit I?

Speaker 3 (21:58):
know I'd probably go with the sit at the feet of
Jesus, though.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, so you've that Mary going on there.
Yes, okay, okay, good, good.
Is there a particular reason?
I always like to hear thereasons why.
Is there a particular reasonwhy you know you're choosing the
feet opposed to preparing andserving at the Last Supper at
the Last Supper.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Just to me there is that, you know, kind of that
intimacy and also just thatwanting to be in his presence in
that way to just hear whateverhe has to say and gain that
knowledge and, you know, hearthe wisdom that he has to share.
But I just just that connectionof being at his feet.

(22:44):
I would have to go with thatone.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I love that.
That's probably, if you ask me,that's what I would do.
I'm a.
I'm a merry person anyway byeach I'm like.
Just let me sit at the Lord'sfeet.
Everybody, leave me alone,Don't ask me anything, Just let
me sit at his feet.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's all I want to do.
What would you do?
You know I'm going to go out ofthe way as well.
The reason why I would go thereis because I would love to have
been a part of what happenedwhen Jesus changed the old
covenant, because at that pointhe was saying you're not going
to fulfill the last.
That's why it was called thelast supper.
Because now he said I'm showingyou a new way, this is my body,
and people don't realize I'veshared this so many times, no
matter where I've gone thatpeople think it's all nice and

(23:29):
cute right now.
But you got to remember he waschanging up a paradigm that had
been in action for thousands ofyears and all of a sudden now
he's saying listen, you're notgoing to do the Passover like
you used to.
Now you're going to do theLord's table, you're going to
have the Lord's supper.
So he went from the last supperto the Lord's supper and being
in the middle of that transitionBecause I'm sure a lot of those
disciples were probably likethis guy I mean, what is he
doing now?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mean they don't understand.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
That meant they were going to have to leave their
families.
There's a lot of things thatwent along with that, so I'd
have loved to been the lamb andbreaking the bread and the juice
and all that, and serving uplike oh man, I'm taking notes.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And then you're listening.
I've been listening toeverything.
That's right, that's good.
Well, thank you so much forplaying with us here.
We so enjoyed this time, and itgives us an opportunity to know
you as well.
Well, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, let's jump in this Listen.
We always like to know fromdifferent people.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I would love to go back into marriage and all that,
but I also know there's somethings that you want to talk
about in ministry and time willfail us, but let's jump into.
How did you come to JesusChrist?
What was your conversion like?
Wow?
Well, that's a whole storyright there.
How I came to Christ.
Well, first of all, I'm one ofthose I did grow up in the
church, meaning you know my momgrowing up.
I was in church with her everySunday, our local, you know,
baptist church.
But I was one of those that ataround 18, well, even before 18,

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started thinking, oh, I can'twait until I graduate high
school so I can see how theother half lives.
You know, I wanted to know howthe partying crowd and the other
half lived.
And so, yeah, I did all thatand paid some consequences for
finding out how the?
other half lived.
And then at around 30, it was aweek before my 30th birthday

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there was a friend of mine whowe had met when I was around 15,
16, but he had went off toCalifornia and everything.
And he came back and he was oneof those that when he connected
with me and I'm like, oh, wow,it's great to see you're back.
And I'm like, let's go out fora drink.

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And he was like, oh, wow, it'sgreat to see you're back.
And I'm like, let's go out fora drink.
And he was like, oh, no, Idon't do that anymore, I've
gotten saved.
And I was like, oh, and I'mlike, well, I can go out and
I'll have a drink and you canjust have whatever you want.
And so we did that.
And then he kept asking me aboutgoing to church.
He was like, oh, I thinkthere's this church in
Wilkinsburg.

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I think you would really likeit.
And I'm like, yeah, I don'tthink so.
But he was persistent and sofinally, it was like the week
before my 30th birthday, but Ithought, okay, I'm going to just
go this one time so I can gethim off my back about this.
And the church was CovenantChurch of Pittsburgh and I have

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now been there for like 35 yearsafter that one visit where.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I said I was just going to get this friend off my
back.
Wow, Isn't that something howyou think it's going to go one
way and you think it's.
You think it's going to go oneway, you have an idea of what
you want, but God has a wholenother way and a whole nother
thought of what he wants to dowith that.
So you know, I just want to saythis so with Covenant.
So that's where I was for awhile, but I don't remember.

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Do you remember me there,remember?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
me there, because I don't remember I remember more,
your dad and I knew there was,you know, like he, you know, had
a few children that I would seewith him Because, you know, at
that time the pastor would callhim up for, you know, maybe to
you know, share something withus.

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And so I just rememberedhearing his name, but, and, like
I said, I knew that he had, youknow, share something with us.
And so I just rememberedhearing his name, but and, like
I said, I knew that he had, uh,you know, a few children, but I
don't remember, likespecifically, you know, and that
would have been much, you know,much older than you.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Oh yeah, well, you know it was.
It wasn't uncommon for you togo to church and not see
everybody.
You know, you know what I mean.
Somebody would be over there,Somebody would be over there.
Well, that's good, you know.
Thank you for sharing that.
You know you mentioned or wekind of alluded to it earlier
about how you and I think thisis phenomenal you got your

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bachelor's degree at 50 and thenyou got your.
If I have it correct, yougraduated at 55.
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, I went back to school, you know, to Geneva, at
50.
I had a couple of courses tofinish up to get my bachelor's.
So I was probably a little over50 by the time I did that.
But then I felt like the Lordwas telling me to go on, like
continue on, and I'm like, ohyou know, what else am I going
to do?
Because I knew my bachelor'swas in a community ministry and

(28:32):
it's like I don't feel I'mcalled to be a pastor.
So I don't know.
But yeah, then I went on toLoyola University, Chicago, and
pursued getting my master'sdegree in pastoral studies.
I was around 55 when Igraduated with that.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
You know what I love about that, though.
There's people that arewatching right now, and if
you're watching right now,you're thinking you know what?
I've always wanted to go backto school.
I've always wanted to.
Maybe whether it's yourbachelor's degree, whether it's
your master's degree, whateverit may be.
You know, I love what you know.
You shared this, marsha,because what that shows, is it

(29:22):
so easy?
It kind of fits I think it'sasynchronous learning, I think
that's what it's called where itkind of fits around in your
schedule.
So I think that's amazing.
Did you have any setbacks,whether it be, you know,

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physical setbacks, emotionalsetbacks, things that would have
, you know, prompted you tothink?
You know, I don't know if I'mgoing to continue, and how did
you deal with them if you did,or did you just have?
You know what?
I have it in my mind I'm goingto go, and I'm going to go until
I finish.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, there were probably, you know, a couple
different challenges.
I know again, I was 50 when Iwent back to Geneva or started
going back there to get myfinish up a couple of classes.
But I'm just saying I wasadopted, and so my parents that
adopted me were like already 50when they adopted me.

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So my mom, at this point shewas in her 80s.
Well, no, I must be gettingsomething incorrect here, but I
was going to say, around her 80sshe started having different
physical challenges, like shewould have falls or nosebleeds,

(30:43):
and so I just, I do know thatwhile I was in school, you know,
there were still, you know,being somewhat of a caregiver
for her.
She didn't live in our home butstill going to check on her
more often, making sure she wasokay, and so there were things

(31:19):
like that.
And also, when I went on toLoyola University, I think the
big soon realized they, they'rethinking or some of their
doctrine or beliefs weredifferent than what I, you know,
was accustomed to, and so thatwas an adjustment.
And sometimes I was saying tomy husband, you know, I don't
know, I think I picked the wrongschool or I'm not sure.

(31:40):
You know, this is where I'msupposed to be and he's like no
God has you there for a reason.
So you know.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Amen.
Well, you know what?
The reason why I asked that toois because you know, a lot of
times people and I have beenthere too where you hit setbacks
, you're on.
You know you're doing what youhave been called to do, but you
hit these setbacks in life and alot of times these setbacks are
really meant to stop you.
They're really demonic innature.

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They're really meant to stopyou from moving forward, and
sometimes people succumb to that.
Sometimes people say you knowwhat I wasn't, you know I wasn't
banking on all of this.
You know I'm done, but when youare sharing that, you're
sharing about the setbacks,you're sharing about the
challenges.
But I love the fact that you'resharing the setbacks, you're

(32:30):
sharing the challenges, butyou're also sharing that, hey,
even with that, you can complete, you can be successful, you can
do whatever it is that God hascalled you to do, even with the
setbacks.
And I think even with thesetbacks, you become.
If you allow it and you allowGod to do it in your life, you
become stronger, and I thinkthat's amazing.

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One of the things I do want toask you is and I think this is I
really want to know, this iswhy did you want to go in
ministry Because ministry is notfor the faint of heart.
Did you want to go in ministry?
Because ministry is not for thefaint of heart?
You know what was in your heart?
Because I think you in your bioyou shared that you always.
You know, when you thoughtabout when you grew up, you

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wanted to go in ministry.
Why was that for you?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, not even just that.
You started, you went back toschool at 50 and then you
started going in ministry andyou're close to 60, start a
ministry and things.
So I mean, you know a lot ofpeople are shutting it down.
You're just revving up.
What's going on with that?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Well, for one, I'm one of those people that I don't
think a lot about in terms ofage I'm too old to do this or
too old to do that, I don't know.
I just feel like, as long asthe Lord has us here, you know,
as long as we're on the planet,there has a purpose for us and
there are things that he hasassigned for us to do, and so

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for me, it's more a matter ofyou know, just prayerfully
seeking the Lord, and if I feellike he's calling me to go in a
certain direction or assigningme to do a certain thing, it's
like okay, lord, as long as youmake a way, as long as you make
a way, then I'm going to goforward with it.

(34:19):
But, yeah, so that's pretty muchmy way of thinking, instead of
the age thing.
And again, my parents when theyadopted me yeah, so that's
pretty much my way of thinking,instead of the age thing.
And again, my parents when theyadopted me, they were already
50.
And so, yeah, I just don'tconsider age too much of a
factor when I feel the Lord iscalling me to do something.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And we shouldn't.
I think that's a great point.
And we shouldn't Whenever Godcalls you to do something, just
go for it.
You know we have found that,even when you know, even with
the pregnancy center.
You know, when God called us wedidn't.
We know ministry, but that's awhole different type of ministry
.
But when he spoke to both of uswe said you know what we're

(35:01):
just going to go, and it wasamazing.
As we launched out Marsha, godmet every single need.
Every single need was met.
I mean he went above and beyond.
I mean people came that wedidn't even know.
Can I help you?
Can we link arms with you?
We want to do this, we want tovolunteer.
How can we help push thiskingdom agenda on earth?

(35:24):
So I just think to your point.
No, it's not about an age, it'snot about a number, it's about
being obedient and movingforward.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
And not just about age.
I think there are two majorhurdles that maybe you've known
this, maybe you haven't.
You cleared the age hurdle,which a lot of people would say,
okay, you can't do that, butyou also cleared the gender
hurdle as well.
You were willing to.
A lot of people don't thinkwomen should be in ministry.
They don't believe women can bepastors, they don't believe
women can be chaplains.

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A lot of people are like womenneed to just kind of sit back.
I'm not one of those people.
We're not one of those people.
We believe God anoints men andwomen to be in the pulpit, to
preach, to start ministries, tolead.
We believe in that genderequality when it comes to salary
and all of those types ofthings.
And so what are your thoughtson?
I mean, you know, becauseyou've also you've been in

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ministry and in church for quitea few years, so you know all
the different things going onwhat made you feel that not only
could you jump the hurdle withage, but also with gender and
women being in ministry?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Well, I think it helped that I was in a church
where I mean Pastor Barbarahaving a church, she would get
up and speak and you know, Ijust saw growing up that women
were involved with churchministry and even though
sometimes, you know, growing up,like I said, I'm a Baptist

(36:50):
church, so the women had, youknow, there were more the
deaconesses, the nurses in thechurch.
But yeah, I just, and withchaplaincy, that's the thing I
didn't really think in terms ofthe gender issue and you know
I'm thinking that maybe I'lljust be one of the few women out

(37:11):
there.
I just felt in my heart that wassomething for me to pursue and
it wasn't until I was inchaplaincy that I began to look
around and think, wow, I'm notrunning into too many other
female chaplains or encounteringtoo many other women chaplains,
and so you know that that ledme to later, you know, have this

(37:37):
ministry for women inchaplaincy and pastoral care,
and so now a group of us monthlywe, you know meet online.
But yeah, and that's just togive us a space to share
different views on varioussubjects that surround women in

(37:57):
chaplaincy and just, you know,issues at large that we want to
communicate about.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
You know that's so good.
And speaking of women andchaplaincy, can you tell us a
little bit about the PA Women ofChaplaincy Ministry that you
founded and what's going on?
What's new?
What's happening?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, like I said, it wascreated to give women a safe
space to share, those that arein chaplaincy and pastoral care
and this entering.
Well, this will be the thirdyear in July.
It'll be the third year thatthat was since it's been started

(38:43):
, and so, again, a number of usmeet monthly online, but also
hey Marcia, can I stop you realquick?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
You said a safe place .
Why is that needed?
I don't want to just gloss overthat, that's good.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I just feel like sometimes with women when we get
together, and I just feel likesometimes with women when we get
together, we can open up aboutdifferent things that we might
not open up about or share whenthere's, let's say, mixed

(39:19):
company.
I mean, since this group hasstarted, you know some of us
have shared about, you know,miscarriages, or we've shared
about one of the, and everymonth there's like a different
topic.
So one of the topics was youknow what to wear and we talked
about what is acceptable for usto wear as women in chaplains,
either it should always be likemore of a suit type thing or you

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know what's acceptable, and sowe cover different topics and
different things come out.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
So with that, because we talk about that a lot and
I'm so glad that you mentionedthat, because you can't assume
that everybody knows, becauseeverybody doesn't know.
You know what I mean and I thinkyou know we are in a day and
age, I think, where you knowagain, back in the day, you know
it was modesty, you know peoplereally honored one another,

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honored the church in theirdress.
Now, it's not uncommon, not foreverybody, but it's not
uncommon, I think, for women,since we're talking about women
in, you know, in pastors and youknow, in that area, I'm sure
there's been times where there'swomen that have worn maybe the

(40:37):
skirt was a little too high, thetop was a little too tight, and
maybe this is the thing, thoughMaybe they weren't even aware,
it wasn't on purpose, it wasn'tmeant to do anything other than
be clothing, but they just werenot aware.
How do you approach, I mean,have you seen that?
And how do you approach womenthat are?

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You know, they're in theirpastors, they have that role and
responsibility, but yet theirdress may be provocative even.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well, any type of like appropriate dress for the
platform.
You know, what are your viewson that and what do you feel
like to Pastor Tiff's point?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
What do you think should be done?
What should we be wearing ornot wearing?
How do you address that?
That you're comfortable in forone and you want to?
You know it's always a thing ofwhat kind of message maybe am I
sending out.
But I've never personallyapproached anyone about how they

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were dressed, because,especially I feel like in
certain instances you need tohave a relationship with that
person or, you know, feel likeyou have that freedom to voice
your thoughts about what they'rewearing and you know some maybe
will pray about, maybe someoneelse that knows them will say
something.
But yeah, we just like withchappas, you know it feels

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important to be comfortable.
And again, just what kind ofmessage are you sending out with
what you're wearing?
Or, you know, those are mythoughts about it.
But I have to say too, as achaplain, when I was a hospice
chaplain, I was out there goinginto different, you know, in the
homes of different people, andsometimes, regardless of what
you're wearing, you're going toget that person that will

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overstep, so to speak, and I hadthat happen with, you know, an
older gentleman that I wassitting with and I had on, you
know, slacks, you know suitjacket type thing or blazer
jacket, and as we're talking, hewas sharing about different
things, but he came over like hewas going to try to hug me or

(43:09):
kiss me and I was like no, noand uh so he wasn't looking for
the ministry that you werecoming for.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
So you were actually wait a minute.
Let me just make sure for allof our listeners out there and
viewers right now.
You went there to go ministerto a guy and went there to show
him the love of the Lord, dresscompletely appropriately and
then he tried to put a hit outon you.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
He tried to show his love.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Oh, my goodness Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Wow, so it happens.
So how did you deal with that?
I mean, you can't leave us outthere with that.
How did you deal with that?
What?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
did you do?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
In result.
You know, like I said, I justtold them no.
No, you know, like we're notdoing that today and I just
pretty much cut the visitsomewhat short.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I want to go back to a minute because I talk to me.
All right, let's movechaplaincy out of the way.
What about dress in the 21stcentury?
It's 2025.
People dressing in church,people dressing on the platform
Tell me your views on that andwhether or not you're on the
platform or not or not.
How should women be dressed?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Well, again, I think it just goes back to and I'm not
sure people in general do askthis question of themselves that
much in terms of what is themessage that I want to send out?
Because now you really havewomen, you know, sometimes
saying nobody should be tellingme how to dress, or you know

(44:41):
they feel they can wear whateverand you know it's the man's
problem if he's going to think acertain way or what have you.
But again, maybe I'm old school, but I do go back to looking at
yourself or looking at myselfand you just you know what's the
message I want to send out andI feel like this is not my

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personal thinking.
You can't dress like you wantattention and then get upset if
you get.
You get it.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Go on a preacher, you know, cause that's the thing
too.
I mean people they always talkabout.
Well, you know, it's the man'sproblem and this, that and the
third, but I always say it likethis uh, marsha, is that, uh,
that people receive you, howthey perceive you?
And you know it's funny, youalways mention the word old
school.
I always like to come back andpeople to say, well, I don't
know if it's old school.
If that's the case, the Bible'sold school, because it was all

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written way before all of ourtimes, and so I believe it's not
old school, it's just God'sword.
And the reality is, is that alot of people don't realize if
you're putting off sexual, ifyou're too tight, if you're too,
if it's too up guys falling out, or guys that are wearing too
tight a pants and your peoplewill they're no longer looking

(45:52):
at the Lord and wanting toreceive from the anointing.
Now they're more looking ateither one If they're dealing
with a lust issue, they'relooking at you and trying to
fight that battle.
Or number two, they may have todeal with a lust issue, they're
looking at you and trying tofight that battle.
Or number two, they may have todeal with a lust issue, but
they're like I can't even lookover there because everything's
staring at me in the face and sonow they can't even focus on
the Lord.
And so lots of people go intothis thing about liberty and all
that.
But I look at it like thisJesus could not work many

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miracles because they saw him asa carpenter.
So him as a carpenter.
So if his anointing washindered simply because of a
prior profession that he had,how much more will our anointing
be hindered If we're projectingthings that are sexual in
nature, provocative, creatinglust?

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Even if a guy has an issue, whatmakes you have that right to
say, okay, I'm going to bleed mybrother into sin or sister
sometimes it just depends on whoit is and say, well, I'm just
going to go and do that.
We are now violating the law oflove, so I'm just going to put
it out there.
Marsha, I'm one of them.
Guys, I don't scratch where I'mnot itching, I don't pull back
any punches.
I believe we are in a day andhour where people need to hear

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the truth, and it's not just thefact that, yeah, women can wear
what they want.
They have a right to wear whatthey want, but the last I found
out is that those that live thelife of the cross, anybody that
has truly picked up their cross,has given up their rights.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yes, yes, you know, like you're saying, the Bible
does speak about dressingmodestly and, as you were saying
too, why would you want todress in a provocative type of
manner where you're, you know,almost leading someone into sin?
So, yeah, those are the thingsthat I think it is important to

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think about.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Well, you know, I just want to mention somebody
who commented here and she saidthis is so good.
She said, and I think this isso true, oh, come on.
Even at the gym.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's too revealing come on savannah even at the
beach, I think you have towherever you go.
Great point you have to kind ofgo deep and say am I honoring
god in what I'm wearing?
Am I honor, am I representing?
We're supposed to beambassadors of christ wherever
we go, so it's am honoring himwherever we go.

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Am I honoring him in the gym?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Am.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I honoring him at the beach?
Or do I have this little tinythaw lawn and nothing is left to
your imagination?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Can you say that on air?
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know I can, you know I can, come on, you know I
can, but it's the truth though.
Yeah, it is, it's the truth.
You know what I can't.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
But it's the truth though.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, it is.
It's the truth.
You know what I mean.
So it's not just in the pulpit.
You know, like I had aconversation with somebody and I
said well, you know, there'scertain times where I like to
wear leggings, but I'm not goingto wear those leggings in the
pulpit.
There is something where youknow there's certain.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
But you can wear them at home.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
But I, but I can wear them at home.
You know what I mean and Ithink so there.
I think there's certain places,babe, that give way to certain
types of dress.
But even in those certain typesof places and even in those
types of dress, there is stillsomething called honoring God,
and we have to really yield tothat in everything that we do,
whether it's like our watcherssaid, whether it's at the gym.

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I mean, sometimes you go to thegym and you're like, oh my
goodness, it looks like somepeople painted stuff on.
You know and listen, I am a bigadvocate for dressing trendy.
You can dress fashionable.
You don't have to be covered upeverybody.
That's not what I'm saying.
You know the turtleneck and youknow nobody can see you.

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You don't have any makeup onand earrings and things like
that.
You can dress where you areattractive.
There is.
That that's okay.
You can dress like, but notwhat would be the word Really,
not seductive, I think is reallyyou don't want unworthiness.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Revealing.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Attention.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Revealing.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Things like that.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Some people wear stuff that leaves nothing to the
imagination.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Nothing to the imagination, and so can I touch
this too, and this might be alittle bit crazy, but I'm just
going to go here, miss Marsha.
But I'm just going to go here,Miss Marsha.
I got to go here when I feellike even nowadays with these,
you know, junior proms anddances.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Wow, these girls are going out.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And I'm like oh my goodness, Is it just me, Is it?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
just me.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Everybody that's watching, you know, is it just
me.
Okay, that is looking at theseyoung, young, young girls 16, 17
years old.
They have skirts okay on.
I mean, and if they bend thewrong way or move the wrong way,
I mean honestly, if they sitdown, I'm like oh my goodness,

(50:36):
they can't sit down.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Not without revealing everything.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and these are, this is
what these young girls arethinking.
That that is, you know, that'show we should be, that's how we
should look, and I think a lotof that comes from the media
what we see, what we see isbeautiful, what we see as
attractive, what we see istrendy.
You know, and listen, I again,I am all for, I believe that you

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can be.
Um, how would you put it as aman?
As a man, what would you saywould be?
Cause you know you.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I'll call it.
You have to be, you have tohave a sanctified sexy.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
There we go.
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I'm going to say it like that you got to have a
sanctified sexy.
I mean, it's gotta be somethingwhere, all right, you're
dressed nice, you look good, butit doesn't leave nothing to the
imagination.
You know, I love what Marshasaid.
You said something really goodabout how we dress this way and
then when we get, we dress in away that says we want attention,
but then when we get theattention, we act like we don't
want to.
I think that is so good,because people are.

(51:36):
I mean, if you are a young girl16 or 17, and you wear
something that's mid thigh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I mean, and your, your, your, your cleavage is out
and all of these things, I meanyou are going.
I would say like this if youdon't want dogs, then don't give
off a scent that says you're inheat.
That's right, I'm not trying topreach Ms Marsha, but it's the
truth.
Am I telling the truth or whatAm I telling the truth?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Ms Marscia.
She wasn't ready for all thisWelcome to.
Dimensions.
We threw her some firm balls,you know.
But I mean, this is real talk,this is real talk to everybody,
you know.
And then what happens is thoseyoung girls, I believe, you know
, as they grow up, they realize,okay, if you start out like
that at 15, 16 years old,they're going to continue and

(52:25):
then it's going to be a biggerballgame.
Then you know what I mean.
There's other things that theycan get into, not just going to
their junior prom or whatever.
I mean even then, you know,even at that age, they can get
into it, but they're going tooutside of an intervention of
some sort or them having theirown relationship with God and
getting revelation.
They're just going to keepgoing.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Ms Marsha, I heard something I want you to comment
and go ahead and take it for aminute.
I heard it said like this whatyou're willing to show, you're
saying you're willing to share.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I haven't heard that, but okay, okay.
But I did want to say too, asyou're talking about these teen
girls and their attire, but Ifeel like at 15 and 16, they
have parents, right, they have amom and so I feel like it's not
so much, don't put the blame onthem.
I know with me at 15 and 16, mymom still felt she had a say I

(53:23):
would leave the house dressedwith that's good.
When you look at them, you haveto still go back and say wow.
So her mom thought that wasokay or whatever.
That's the way I think about it.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
And where are the dads?
That's another thing too.
You see mom posting thesepictures.
I'm sorry, I didn't have anydaughters, but I've always said
this If I was going to have adaughter, her first date was
going to be with me.
And I was going to say however,dad deals with you, so should
that man.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
You know, if I'm opening the door, he should be
opening the door.
If I'm telling you how good youlook, he should tell you how
good he looks.
But that's the thing.
If dad's not looking fornothing from you, that guy
shouldn't be looking anythingfrom you.
I believe that men need tomodel to their daughters, and
let me go here, too, as well.
You've been married 31 years.
Do you guys have children?
We don't you didn't have anykids.

(54:15):
Okay, how important is it,though, just from your
perspective, though, that wehave young boys we have an 11
and a nine-year-old that theysee how I treat her, they see
how I love on her, they see howI court her, they see me.
They'll come into our bedroomand we're being appropriate, but
we're wrapped up and laughing,and they come in the middle and
they're sitting there watchingus enjoy one another.

(54:38):
They see me flirting with herthroughout the day.
I'm talking to her and makingthem blush.
I'm talking to them, and theyneed to see that, because then
they understand how arelationship is to be developed.
So how important, in yourestimation, marcia, is for
parents, men and women, to modelto their children, whether it's
dress, how related she shouldbe, whatever it might be?

(54:59):
How important is it for them tosee a model, or whatever it
might be?
How?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
important is it for them to see a model?
Yeah, I, you know, like I said,tony and I don't have children,
but you know, when I pray aboutfamilies, you know I do pray,
that you know with the husbandand wife that they show that

(55:22):
mutual respect for each other.
And you know pray, you knowthat for children, that they
would listen to their parents,you know be respectful and
obedient to their parents.
I know obey is kind of a not sogood word anymore, but that's
how it's how I grew up, and thatyou honor your father and
mother, that you honor yourfather and mother.
And so, yeah, with you two, Ican see that you have that kind

(55:44):
of relationship where there'sfun, that you actually like each
other.
I once received that complimentfrom a co-worker, because my
husband had come down to my jobat that time and she was like
just the little bit ofinteraction we had and she said,
oh, I can tell you, two reallylike each other.
So you know, I think that'simportant, that you know

(56:08):
children in the home do see thatthere's not only love and
respect, but that you like eachother.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
So this is so good, you know, I don't know.
Is there anything else?
I know we kind of gotsidetracked, which is what
Dimensions is all about.
Before we let you go, is thereanything else about the
chaplaincy, the PA, pa, women ofchaplaincy and pastoral care,
anything you want to mentionconcerning that, things that are
coming up or anything that youwant our viewers to know about

(56:39):
how maybe they can get involvedwith you?
Is there anything else?

Speaker 3 (56:40):
you'd like to mention .
Yes, I'd like to mention thatwe are about to have our third
conference, the third annualWomen of Chaplaincy and Pastoral
Care Conference, coming up onSeptember 13th Saturday,
september 13th Pastor Tiffany isgoing to be our keynote speaker
, and so really excited aboutthat because, again, pastor

(57:04):
Tiffany, as you and Pastor Jaywere saying, when the Lord spoke
to you about opening up thatpregnancy care center, that it
wasn't like you had any big,major funds to launch that or
that type of thing, and samewith me with the conference, I
felt like once I got the groupoff the ground with this online

(57:26):
ministry that the Lord said havea conference, and I'm like okay
.
And then I started thinking, ofcourse, money, but this is our
third year and so, in terms ofhow the conference is paid for,
it's basically people buyingtickets to attend or registering
to attend.
As I said, pastor Tiffany willbe the keynote speaker, but a

(57:49):
couple other speakers are inchaplaincy.
The one is Felicia Como and sheis the chaplain for the Houston
Dash soccer team.
She's also the coordinator ofchaplains for the WNBA Wow.
And we have a local person herethat she was with the

(58:14):
Foundation of Hope, whichcoordinated chaplains for the
Allegheny County Jail.
Coordinated chaplains for theAllegheny County Jail.
But this person oh, my, hername just left me, but she has
moved on now and she's becomethe pastor of a church.
But I'm just saying it's goingto be a really great time.

(58:37):
So if you're a woman inchaplaincy and for pastoral care
, or if you want to learn moreabout chaplaincy, you know this
is the time to come out andregister to attend this event
and how do they register andwhere's it held at?
Oh, the conference this year isgoing to be at Geneva College

(58:58):
out in Beaver Falls, out atAlexander Hall there.
But, yeah, I would love forpeople to get in touch with me
and, oh, they can also visit ourwebsite, which is
pawomenchaplainsnet.
Again, that'spawomenchaplainsnet.
You can find out informationthere.

(59:21):
Or, like I said, I would beglad to have people reach out to
me.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Well, that is awesome .
You know I am so honored.
I want to tell you I'm sohonored, you know, by just being
there in September with all ofyou.
And I believe this, ms Marshall, without a shadow of a doubt.
I believe that God is going tohonor you for all that you've
done, and the best is yet tocome for this ministry.

(59:49):
I think you know one of myfavorite scriptures is call on
me and I'll answer, and I'llshow you great and mighty things
that you know not of, and Ibelieve that that is what God is
going to do.
As you continue to do what he'scalled you to do in this area
of ministry, I think you'regoing to see amazing things
happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Amen I receive that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Amen, I receive that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Well, we thank you so much for your time, for your
ministry, for your wisdom thatyou shared, thank you for having
some fun with us on our Wouldyou Rather?
And getting into some of thenitty gritty of all the stuff
that's going on in the worldtoday.
So thank you so much for justall that you're doing.
And I don't know if I'm allowedto come, but if I can come and

(01:00:34):
be a fly on the wall, I'll comesupport you on the 13th and be
there to cheer everybody on.
So that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Thank you both so much.
It was just a pleasure and ajoy to be here tonight with you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
God bless you.
Well, that was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
We kind of went in different areas here.
We talked about the chaplaincy,but then we got into modesty and
dress or lack of modesty aswell and one of the things that
I we didn't get a chance toreally go deep in this with her
but having a safe place forwomen.
I know you asked that, but Ibelieve that women in ministry

(01:01:14):
we need that safe place.
We need that place where we cankind of open up, we can even
maybe let our hair down as well,you know, where there's not a
lot of judgment or expectationper se, but we can just be us in
that safe place.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, that's important and I we didn't plan
on going there with the dresspiece, but I feel that's
something that we've beendealing with more and more.
We see a lot of young people,male and female.
I mean, we look at some ofthese Christian artists on TV
and you know we're seeingChristian artists more and more
doing things sexual and thingslike that.
You know, and I just believeit's so important that we're not

(01:01:51):
called to present that.
You know, real quickly too.
We didn't get in on this, butyou know, I believe, even for
ladies.
You know, when I hopped onChristian Mingle, I could have
gotten on there and did theoiled up body and all those
types of stuff and whatnot.
And you know I'm going to comeout there flexing and all that.
But that's not what I wanted mywife to be attracted to.
Now, if she's attracted towhat's in me, she can get the

(01:02:13):
outer part.
Then you can go ahead and showher all those things.
And, ladies, if you want a manthat's attracted to you you, the
person the reward is what'sunderneath your clothes.
That's the reward of himidentifying what is on the
inside of you.
If he doesn't see who you are,if he doesn't like who you are

(01:02:34):
if he's not attracted to pursueyou.
Now watch this, ladies.
Very important that youunderstand this Whatever causes
a man to be attracted to you iswhat is going to keep him coming
.
And if he does not recognizethe virtue in you, if he does
not recognize the gift in youand that's not what's drawing

(01:02:56):
him, watch this God has not senthim to you, because this is the
reality.
The Bible says who can find avirtuous woman?
Now watch this.
Who can find?
So that's one passage fromProverbs 31.
But then the Bible also saysthat he that finds a wife finds
a good thing and obtaineth favor.
Now watch this.

(01:03:16):
Favor is when God revealswhat's valuable and precious to
you.
So you're called Now.
Y'all ready for this, ladies?
Now watch this.
You're called to keep itcovered until God uncovers your
spirit.
And when the man sees yourspirit and sees your virtue and
is willing to put a ring on it,then he gets the rest of the

(01:03:37):
package deal.
We do it in reverse order.
You can't even tell if he'sattracted to your spirit or to
your body, because he's blindedby everything you're showing him
.
So, ladies, it's important tokeep yourself covered up, so
then God will reveal the right.
Listen, this is the reality.
You can tell how a woman looksby just dressing modestly.

(01:03:58):
You can tell whether she's gotwhat you like.
You can dress enough to whereall right.
You can show a little bit ofwhat you have without being
sexual, revealing or provocative, and so it's very, very
important.
And men, the same thing.
When I got on Christian People,I got on there, I put a picture
of a three-piece suit on.
I had a vest, a tie, in thefellowship hall of my church and

(01:04:18):
on the bottom of that I saidfor God I live and for God I die
.
Now I could easily taken myshirt off and done all those
things and try to been all cuteand whatnot, but I didn't.
I didn't want to attract abunch of women and say, oh man,
he looks good, oh man, he'sbuilt like that.
That's not what I wanted.
I wanted a woman like you thatsaid man, I want to be in
ministry, I'm attracted to theanointing, I'm attracted to all

(01:04:39):
these types of things.
And then, as a result, man,that is exactly what I got.
But when you give off all ofthat physical stuff and how do
you?
know what he's attracted to?

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
How do you know?
And, ladies, let me say this aswell this is the reality.
If you want to know, if a manwill keep chasing you forever,
watch this, don't sleep with him, don't have sex with him,
that's right.
Don't lay down with him.
People say, well, why not?
Because it clouds your judgment.
For number one, number two howdo you tell if a man has a

(01:05:13):
God-given love for you?
Watch this because he's willingto chase you you ready for this
when he doesn't get anythingback in return?
I hope y'all hear what I'msaying right now.
She's going to help somebody.
If you're giving him sex, hewill come back just for the sex
and when the sex gets old he'llbe looking for something else.

(01:05:35):
How do you know if a man has aGod given love for you, the fact
that he's willing to pursue you, even though he's not getting
anything in return?
You say, well, why is thatimportant?
Because when you get married,it will be his job to initiate
that continuous love, to keepthe cycle going in the
relationship.
And if God hasn't put that inhis heart and he is attracted

(01:05:56):
only to you physically andthat's the only reason why he's
coming around and you decide toput a ring on it and then you go
after him.
You may get a year or two downthe line, maybe even sooner, and
that man will be gone, becausethe reality is he never loved
you in the first place becausehe was in love with the sex, and
if the sex is good enough, thereality is he will keep coming
back for more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I'm preaching right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
You are.
All right, closing thoughts.
For me, one of the things thatI want you to be careful of, you
know, as you're dating peopleyou know, be careful of
missionary dating.
Would that be the term really?

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
You know missionary dating and um, you know, really,
in essence, it's datingunequally.
You're unequally yoked in yourdating.
Um, it's just, it's not good inyour dating.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
You don't pay for that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
It's just, it's not good you don't pay for that
later on.
And just wait.
I'm encouraging everybody.
Wait on God.
Oftentimes the enemy will senda counterfeit before he sends
the real deal.
Wait on God.
He has that man or that womanfor you.
If you are believing for aspouse, even right now, if
that's you and you're believingfor a spouse, wait on that man

(01:07:04):
or woman of God.
I'm telling you it is worth it.
We always say marriage is hardenough.
We have different challenges.
We have fun, we like each other, we love each other, but there
are challenges in there and youwant a spouse that you know that
God can get their attentionwithout a shadow of a doubt.
And I think the multiplicationis.

(01:07:25):
It's really exponential.
When you have both a man thatloves God and a woman that loves
God.
It's exponential.
So I just want to encourage youto wait on God.
Wait for a good, godly man orwoman and watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
If you found a good godly man or woman, and watch
this.
If you found a good godly manor woman, wait before you have
sex.
It will cloud your judgment.
It will cloud your judgment.
How do you make a spiritualdecision about a lifelong
covenant when you're in sin?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I mean think about that for a moment.
You're clouded.
I mean you're in sin.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean think about that for amoment.
You're clouded.
I mean you're in sin, you're insexual sin and you're going to
make a lifelong decision in thespirit, supposedly, when you're
living a relationship out in sin, in the flesh, you're going to
pick the wrong person everysingle time.
It'll never.
And then you'll get clouded,you'll get all messed up and if

(01:08:27):
you find, you know we alwaystalk about this all the time,
about how, when you're dating,you know I remember we'd get
into a disagreement and thenwe'd be talking like, oh man, we
was married.
Right now, you know you breakup to makeup and it ain't
nothing like that makeup lovingy'all.
I mean, come on, if I got anymarried people, come on tell me
amen right now my parents arewatching, that's all right, they
know about makeup, love too.
I mean, hey, when you make upman, there's something about it.
Marvin Gaye had it right Sexualhealing.
There's something that reallyhappens.

(01:08:47):
Now the reason why I'm sayingthis I know I'm laughing, but
check this out when you'redating, the devil wants you to
come together because he canpervert it, what we have found
out.
Once you get married, the devilwants to keep you apart.
Isn't it funny?
When you're married, whenyou're dating, it's like, oh man
, we need to be together, weneed to be together.
And then, as soon as you getmarried, the devil gives you

(01:09:08):
every excuse in the book not tocome together and become one
again.
He will do that.
Why?
Because something happens inthe confines of marriage when
you come together in unity,physically.
But something also happens incarnality and in sin when you
come together outside of theseason.
So wait for a good godly man orwoman and then, once you found

(01:09:28):
that godly man or woman, waitbefore you consummate that
relationship.
Man, I wish I had time to gointo ABCs, but I don't.
But, man, this is so good.
Yeah, maybe we need to talkabout that.
Listen, if y'all want to hearmore about this type of stuff
let us know.
Put it in the chat there.
Let us know what you want tohear about.
Do you want to hear about howyou should date?
Do you want to hear about whathappens if you had sex and
you're dating and you're in thechurch?

(01:09:48):
What do you do then?
How do you do it?
Can you go forward?
Can you still get married?
Do you just jump the broom?
What?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
is it that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
you need to do or time?
Yeah, we can do that as well.
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(01:10:44):
So it's good stuff.
Any closing, other thoughts?
No, I always got about four orfive closings.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I'm a preacher, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I wish I had more time.
He's not done.
I'm just curious.
Is there anybody out thereright now that would like me to
go for another 10 minutes?
I'm just curious.
Come on somebody.
You want me to have anotherclosing up in here, or you want
to get out of here?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
do want to mention this because this is really
important.
I do want to mention thisbecause somebody said it's very
important to keep dating whileyou're married.
Yeah, and that is so importantbecause what happens is you know
you get married, you're, youknow you're going on with life.
Life happens, you end up havingkids and then a lot of your
time and energy is being pulledand directed in other areas.

(01:11:27):
And so I think you know, whenit comes to dating, you have to
be really intentional aboutdating, Like with us.
You know, usually we pick a dayof the week, that is the day of
the week.
We try not to let anything.
You know, there's certainthings that happen sometimes,
but we try not to let anythingcome.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
But you know what, real quickly though.
But now we even have a thing ifsomething happens and maybe our
babysitter gets sick orsomething happens, now what we
do is we make sure we have timeat home to even just say, okay,
we're going to put the kids tobed early or let them do their
thing because they're a littlebit older now, and then we shut
ourselves away and still have atime to still try to connect.
So we don't go week after weekif something happens and not

(01:12:04):
have that time together.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
And I think that's what really helps maintain,
sustain that friendship inmarriage.
You need that.
You need that.
I honestly I know that you knowas busy as we are.
We need that time to connect.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
And we enjoy it.
We love you know we that timeto connect.
We do and we enjoy it.
We love you know we lovespending time with each other.
We do, we have fun.
Maybe we'll tell you some funstories.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Oh listen, I got plenty of that to share.
See, if y'all don't talk to us,how am I supposed to know what
y'all want to hear?
How?
Are we supposed to talk?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
about it.
I mean, what do y'all want?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
third closing and listen, she kept it going.
You were the one that keptgoing.
You're like, listen, I got onemore closing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Our audience did.
Our audience did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Yeah, but you could have just said we'll get to that
next week.
But see, that's what happenswhen you get to Dimensions.
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Well, we have fun.
We did, we had fun with youwhenever you get a chance to
watch.
But we believe, even fordimensions, the best shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Amen.
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