Alice Darrow's Guide To The Apocalypse

For the Season 4 premiere, Dave welcomes artist and animator Alice Darrow to the podcast.

They discuss Alice’s debut comic release Tramps of the Apocalypse , her unexpected influences and unique process for creating a bold, vivid and satirical work. They talk political chaos, untangling conventional narratives, and the constant work of fending off gratuitous cruelty. 

Tramps Of The Apocalypse 1 is out on 6/25 from Dark Horse Comics!

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to DIRECT Edition, a podcast about nothing and
everything. And it is the fourth season,
Yes, the season premiere. This is my 61st episode of
Direct Edition. And I could not be more proud of
all of the things that I've beenable to put down and couldn't
have been, couldn't ask much more for this great audience.
But we're not here to talk aboutme.

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We're not here to talk about you.
We're here to talk about Alice Darrow, my guest this week.
Alice's background is in animation and character design,
but she is on the precipice of releasing her first ever comic
book called Tramps of the Apocalypse, which you're going
to hear us talk about a lot. I gush all over the comic

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because I really did enjoy reading it.
It's hilarious, it's poignant, it's silly in some of its
delivery and very serious and some of its other delivery.
Alice and I have been speaking on and off for the last year on
Instagram because I had purchased a collection of
original art from an artist thatpassed away, Jason Poland.

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And in that collection was a whole bunch of her dad's art,
Jeff. But there was AI believe it was
a Wonder Woman illustration thatJason had bought from Alice at I
think New York Comic Con. If not, it was San Diego Comic
Con. And I didn't at first know who

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the art was by and then I forgethow I figured it out.
Maybe maybe Jeff told me when I posted this stuff for somebody,
you know, I figured out anyway, I contacted Alice on Instagram.
I said, hey, look, I bought thiscollection.
This is something that you did when you were younger.
Would you like it back? Because I felt like when you're
young and you're selling your art or something like that,

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maybe you don't realize how you might miss it.
So I just offered it back, not for any other reason than just
to be kind of, yeah, kind. And I sent it back to her, and
she was very thankful. And then we just chatted a
little bit. And I think she had mentioned
that she had a comic book comingout this year that wasn't
finished. And I said, oh, I'd love to have

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you on my program. And, you know, here we are.
Long story short, but she's an extremely talented young woman
and I'm really excited for people to see this comic.
And this conversation is pretty wide-ranging from influences as
I generally like to talk about. But when I recorded this was
like day two of the United States government sending troops

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into into LA and she's in LA. So, you know, we're we're both
very liberal Jews and we have things to say about the state of
affairs in this country. And we talked a lot about that,
but interweaving in and out of empathetic talk and just wanting

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for people to have, wanting people to have the rights that
they should have by birth. And so there's a lot of comic
talk in here, movie talk and humor talk.
But if you find mocking our current president and also Elon
Musk offensive, then maybe this is it for you.
But I think my listeners get getwhere I'm coming from.

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Anyway, here comes my interview with the talented Alice Darrow.
Hi everybody, welcome to the season 4 premiere of Direct

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Edition. And my guest today has a comic
coming out this week, her first comic that she's she's writing
and she is the illustrator on. And let me tell you, it's
hilarious and awesome. It's called Tramps of the
Apocalypse. And I'm talking to Alice Darrow.
Alice, how are you? Hi Dave, thank you so much for
having me on. I'm doing well considering I

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live in LA so. Yes.
And for the listeners, this, yeah, for the listeners, this is
being recorded in second week ofJune.
And right now, you know, our, we'll call him our de facto
leader, even though there's no leading going on, has sent some
pretty gnarly military stuff into LA and and they're messing

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with the peaceful protesters. So yeah, you know, a lot of
friends that live in LA and I'm glad to hear that things are
doing OK despite. Yeah.
Yeah, but you, you have a it's atime to rejoice.
You have your first comic comingout this week.
Yeah, I'm so excited. Again, thank you so much for

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having me on to talk about it. I'm obviously really nervous
about like my first thing comingout into the world, but
hopefully everyone likes it or at least has like a good laugh.
Well, and I've read it now threetimes and, you know, it's rare

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for me. And I think it's just rare in
general to find a comic that will do the job of being a good
comic but also making you laugh.And, you know, comics are rooted
in humor. You know, they always have been
going back to the Carl Barks andand what he was doing with the
with Scrooge. So I do like to take it back.
And growing up, were there any comics that you can specifically

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point to that you read that you're like, oh, I, I love this
medium. Well, I think one of the first
like comic but, and this is moremanga, but the the first piece
of comic book art that I picked up, my dad had gotten me and it
was Akira Toriyama's Doctor Shlump.

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And I laughed so hard reading it.
And I had always been drawing upto that point.
I just didn't really know like what I was going to do with it.
And as soon as I picked it up, Iwas like, I want to do this.
I want to make someone laugh like this.
It just it was really important for me.
And then I discovered, like Daniel Klaus, who I loved in
Jaime Hernandez, and it just from there I was like, this is

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what I want to do. Yeah, you were drawn to the
underground, although you know, Toriyama, obviously it's not
underground. But in the US, you know, you've
got, like you said, Lewis Bros and Klaus and, you know, the
indie underground. But it's funny because I've
never read Doctor Slump, but I've read just Dragon Ball and
it's hilarious. I mean, it's completely like one
of the horniest things I've everread in my life.

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But it's aimed towards kids and it's like, you can do all of
these things. It's kind of like the movies of
the 80s. You can aim them for adults and
kids at the same time. Everybody's going to take
whatever they want out of it andenjoy it.
But his style of cartoony is hilarious too.
So far and he could really draw.I mean, gosh, the machines you

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would design like the he could really, really draw and it was
really stylized. And I do recommend reading
Doctor Slump. I think that was, I don't want
to speak on his behalf, of course, but he did love that
comic book very much. And I think apologies if it
upsets people that use comic book and manga interchangeably,
but it was kind of his, his baby.

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I think he really liked that onea lot.
And it really shows. So I do encourage it's 18
volumes of like 8 volumes. So it's a little less daunting
than like the whole Dragon Ball.And you're right.
Like you read it and you're, youknow, when you're a kid, you
don't understand certain things.And then you read it as an

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adult, like, oh, that's so, so clever.
I think it's. I also think, but you know, for
most people that are into reading comics, everybody knows
like, you know, manga is their comics and we just call our
comics comics, you know, but they do something special over
there with, like you said, theselong, you know, stories and and

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they're great to read and you can pick one up and you don't
really need to know sometimes what's going on.
I mean, can't really pick up Akira book 3 and understand
what's going on. But you know, I feel like
Toriyama is is like Carl Barks and you know, you can just read
the stories as they are. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, so with tramps it it's like I said, it's it's a

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hilarious book, but it's also very much aimed at taking kind
of like a look at the patriarch and the matriarch and and, you
know, and and kind of shining a light on everybody's, I don't
know, shortcomings. You know, one of the things as
soon as I started reading it, and then the second time I

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started reading it kind of like reminded me of the joke that Uma
Thurman tells in Pulp Fiction about the the Fox 4 S 5, which
ends up kind of becoming the genesis for Kill Bill.
Like I got that feeling the whenI was reading the book.
But what are your major inspirations for this story?

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Well, I am a huge, huge fan of Russ Meyer.
I love faster Pussy Cat Kill kill.
And that was kind of my my main influence.
I mean, the baby is supposed to be 100% Teresa Tana.
Like I love her in that movie, but I also just love her as a
person. And I do love that Russ Meyer
was just kind of like, do whatever you want, girlfriend,

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like, go, you know, go for it. And she kind of terrorized
everyone on set. I'm also going to throw like a
kind of a curveball in there, which is that the WAP music
video by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion was also like a huge
inspiration because I'm going totell you why the I always try to

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kind of draw from not just comics, but a lot of different
things. And I remember when that video
came out, the reaction from the right was so violent.
And it really led me to kind of question like, obviously, like
men love sexualizing women all the time.

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So what made this different? And what made it different was
that it was a woman's point of view.
It was really poising themselvesin a way that didn't really, it
was scary to men. And I was like, I they're on to
something here. And I've like I said, I've
always questioned like, how do we exist in this world, right?

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Because it's like clothing. Oh, you're prude, not enough
clothing. Oh, you're a slut, you know.
And you know, I don't, I can't ever put myself in the shoes of
a woman, period. End of story.
Like it's not an experience I'llever have.
And I think listening, I mean, I'm, I like to listen to people.
That's why I have a podcast, youknow, I want to hear people tell

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their story. And you know, I I'm all for like
women taking their own sexuality, their own power,
their own voice into their own hands and giving it to us,
whether it's in a song, in a movie, in a book, in a comic,
whatever it is, art is the voiceof the people.
And it's it's just great that you're doing it in this way.

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Like you've got a character in there.
And I'm not going to go into spoilers.
This is a three issue miniseriescomes out June 25th is the first
issue. But you got a, you got one of
these men characters that they encounter in the first issue
that is a Proud Boy Nazi lookingguy, but he's wearing like short
shorts and he's got a gun calledLittle Cutie.

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You know, it's, it's so funny because I think people are going
to assume like that and it, it works that way, that like that's
in reference to his penis. But actually, while I was
writing it, my, my thought was how funny would like in an
apocalyptic world where like maybe there aren't many
resources left, like there aren't any more factories, like

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things are hard to find. Like a guy would find that
little gun and be like, that's so cool.
Like I got my little gun. Then it ended up working in the
other way too. He I mean, it's kind of I like
to joke around how like homoerotic these like crowd and

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even like Trump supporters. I mean, and that's kind of a big
inspiration for it too. It's like, hey, you really love
Donald Trump there. Like, you know, a little.
Too much. A little like I've seen people
driving around with like Trump license plates and, you know,
with like Trump, and it's like we do it.

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Yeah, I mean, it's what a cult looks like.
It really is like when you iconicize somebody and you drive
around with all of their stuff. Like it's not like this is like
you're driving around with DarthVader, you know, something like,
you know, a character fictional or Kermit the Frog or whatever.
This is a real person that ruinseverything in real time.

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And you're I you're putting themup as an icon.
Like I am proud to support this person that is literally ruining
people's lives one day at a time.
I mean, we can, you know, we canmake the clear, you know,
association with, you know, idolizing, you know, guy like
Hitler or something. But luckily right now, and I

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think I, I think this is a real feeling.
It's like luckily right now he hasn't gone that step and we're
we want to prevent that, but there is a clear distinction of
what we grew up learning about him versus what's going on right
now. Yeah, it's, I'm hoping we, I

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mean, in many ways there and we're on our way like in some
states like we are. And I mean, I'm, what I'm really
concerned about is the deportation.
I mean, those images are really shocking and unfortunately, like
as a Jew, you know. Or.
Failure. And, you know, I always kind of

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felt like, I don't know, I'd like to make something funny,
but I would also like to make something that is political and
it has something to say. That was also part of part of
why I wrote this comic book. And again, I think humor is a
really good way to talk about. Politics, yes.

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Well, I mean, look, I mean, you know, it's something that I talk
about often. We talked about it beforehand,
but like from the Jewish culturewe have, there has been so many
amazing people that have used humor to attack the the real
subjects. I mean, Mel Brooks is one of the
greatest examples of that. You know, I mean, any comedian,

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you know, whether that, you know, it's a Larry David doing
his shtick, but he's he's still represents it.
And I, you know, Joan River, Joan Rivers was Jewish, right?
Or she still is she still alive?Joan Rivers, No, she's happy,
unfortunately, but she she's very funny.
Yeah, yeah. I, I feel like she'd been alive

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my whole life. Like I figured she's just always
alive. Yeah, I mean, she, she's such an
iconic part of pop culture and so funny and savage.
But Mel Brooks, I'm a huge fan of Mel Brooks.
And actually Blazing Saddles wasalso like a huge inspiration for
her. I was like, I, I want it to be
like a kind of cowboy. Yeah, yeah, like you come from

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an animation background. You're we work in animation.
Would also the vibes I got was very much like the storytelling.
You would kind of the narration you would see in maybe like a
Venture Brothers or or somethingsimilar to that where the
narration of this book is adds to the humor.
It's like the icing on top of the cake.
I mean, there's a, a line about it's like a wasteland of I, I

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forget what it's, but it's like Ed medication is, is, is part of
this wasteland and it's part of the plot of this first issue.
Well if they let me continue, there's a whole you.
There was a war and the whole context is that there was a war
over Ed medication. Buy lots of copies so I can

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continue the story. But I completely forgot where I
was going with that thought. Maybe with the narration and the
I. Don't we were talking about
animation? Yes.
You know, I went to school for illustration and they kept
trying to get me not to draw comic books, but I did it

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anyways. And then I had to take an
internship and my awesome boss and producer during that
internship calls me like at the end, I'm about to graduate
college and she goes, well, do you want to become a like, do
you want to come be a character designer full time?
And that's kind of how I ended up in animation.

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I think comics also makes me draw really fast.
So I would really have to like kind of doing a lot of
characters in the day. And so that's kind of where I, I
mean, I actually can't, I don't know how to animate, but I know
how to design. And so that's, I've, I've worked
on those Futurama sees it like aFuturama reboot and

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Disenchantment. And I think it has added a lot
to like my comic book practice in terms of like discipline and
also simplifying things with shape instead of line.
There's several comic creators and one that comes to mind is

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Derek Kirk Kim, who was comic guy and then went into animation
and came back to comics. And it feels like people that
are working in animation, you can seamlessly and it's you
know, obviously on the outside it seems seamless, but
seamlessly kind of go into comics and work in that medium
and get better at both things atthe same time.

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Did you find that like like you were just saying it feel like
your skills upgraded the more you're doing some of each?
Yeah. I mean, I would say like there's
no better drawing school than like working at animation.
I mean, you have to draw fast. You also get like, you know, you
work with these directors that have been in the business for a
really long time, like one of the supervising, like the

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supervising directors on Futurama, Dwayne Carrie Hill and
Peter Evans, you know, like theygive incredible notes.
And it's incredible to work a job where you have people who
are telling you what's wrong with your drawing and how you
can fix it. And that really informs then
when you go to comics and you start working on your own stuff

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like you, you just get better and better and better.
Repetition. And you know, I beat myself up a
lot about like all the drawing is not going to apply.
And I just kind of try to remindmyself like you're, you draw
everyday, like you're going to get better eventually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you do something like you
said, and and if it's a repetition, especially if you

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care about it, that's the real thing.
I mean, you can tell when you pick up a comic or you watch a
movie or you, whatever it is, the art, you can tell if the
artist is into what they're doing or not.
You know, And I can tell by reading this book, not only is
you know, you're into drawing it.
But even just the dialogue is I mean, like the the opening scene

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where the the three of them, which are it's Princess Baby and
Belladonna, right? Those are their three names.
It's Belladonna, Baby and Babette.
Oh OK, because one of them callsthe other one Princess and I
wasn't sure if that was the nameor.
And then maybe Princess Combat is her full name. 00 and in in

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that first scene, like they are,I mean, I kind of feel like
anybody can relate to that. It's like 3 people who are
forced in a car together and they're not all going to get
along, you know? I mean I've been on enough Rd.
trips in my life to know that after a while you're just like
shut the fuck up already. 3 is not a good.

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No, it's not a good number. It's 2 verse one always, or it's
1, you know, going into the creation of these characters.
Any you know, I know you said faster Pussycat.
Are there pieces of you or any of your friends in these these
three women like characteristicsthat you're like, Oh, I really

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like it when so and so is like this.
I'm going to make that a characteristic.
That's a good question. I think like she's going to
laugh when I say this, but like my mom has like a really
authoritative. She's when she walks into a room
like she's got it under control,like she's really got a vibe of

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like I'm handling the situation.And so I think I definitely kind
of infused her in like babies character.
I mean, a lot sweeter and juggler than Baby, but I do
think she was kind of an inspiration.
I think visually and also like in terms of personality, like I

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really, really love and respect Megan Thee Stallion.
And she was kind of a bit, I mean, she's obviously not a
friend of mine. But on the topic of who inspired
the characters. And then I think like, 'cause I
didn't, I mean, like I said, other than my mom, who I can
kind of think of, think of off the top of my head, like I don't
know the people in my direct environment that necessarily

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influence the characters. I think Belladonna is a really
important character because I soI was working on this like
during the election cycle and she kind of represents kind of
like white female apathy. And she does learn throughout

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the comic book, but she was really important.
Like I really drew from like theway that white feminists behave
sometimes like transishitusinaryfeminists.
And you know, the kind of like, well, it doesn't concern me, so
why do I care? It should, you know, it should
concern you. It should concern us all.
And so she was a really kind of important balance to these other

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two characters who are, you know, one of them's obviously
supposed to be Teresa Tana. So she's Japanese and Baba is
black. So that was also a really
important dynamic where you havethese two characters who like,
this is their life, You know, they're stranded, they're being
chased down by this authoritarian regime.
And then you have this third character that's kind of like a

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third wheel, and it doesn't really think he's like, I can't
be bothered. Yeah, yeah.
Well, there we all know people like that, like you said, I
mean, it's, it's one thing, you know, to be like, I can't
directly do anything, but you should actually try and write
like be aware, like understand what's going on, understand what

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it's like to be somebody that's being persecuted for some reason
or another. Because the more you understand
that, the better you are equipped to work against that.
Yeah, and just having some empathy, like, I do think, you
know, I go back to all these like Elon Musk saying empathy
was a bad thing. Like of course unless someone
says something a little bit meanto him then everyone should have

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empathy. What a fragile little man.
Fragile little man, I think, youknow, we empathy is a really,
really important thing. And I do think, you know, losing
it as time goes on, you know, something that doesn't affect
you now might affect you later. My, my, my husband came here on

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a green card where, you know, we're married.
And I've like not, you know, I worry because, you know, it's
not us yet. But I know how these things
work. And so it's important to put
yourself in other people's shoes.
And sometimes, like I hate to say it, this is do and be.

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Oh, of course, but that's caked into us.
Yeah, that's that's baked into US.
I, I talked a lot in recent, even with my therapist, I talked
about like how anxiety and, and what comes from anxiety really
is part of DNAI mean, I, I, it'sif we as people didn't go

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through what we've been through,you know, I can't, I can't even
imagine what it's like to think about like slavery as a, a black
person, you know, like, like have that be in your DNA, even
though it's in ours from Egypt. But that's what I'm saying, like
these things are in our DNA to be anxious about.
And I think the anxiety also creates a lot of empathy.
You know, I, I, I'd like to think that's kind of a, you

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know, ballpark thing. Like everybody who deals with
anxiety has a lot of empathy. It's true, it is true.
And I, you know, it kind of brings up for me like the whole
thing of a like the generationalscars of people who have been
like, you know, I think of all like those kids in Gaza and all

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of their like the generational like the impact that this
genocide will have on just all of these generations of people
is just, you know, horrific. And I do think, you know, we
should just all have like, at least 10% more like, empathy and
concern for our neighbor. I mean, I'm like, sometimes I'm

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just shocked by the lack of, like, seeing January 6 rioters
be like, I hope the police kill those protesters.
What's wrong with you? You know.
And those are the kind of peopleI make fun of in my comic books.
These like horrible like like Bros.

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It's, it's Bros. No, it is.
I mean, it's I've been allergic to that word for so long too.
Like somebody calls me bro and I'm like, oh God, this person's
not actually doesn't actually know me.
I'm like, I'm not your bro. I have one brother.
Don't call me bro. Yeah, don't call me bro like I
should. I would love to just wear a
black T-shirt, big white letters.
Don't call me bro. But then people be calling me
bro. I also want that.

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I also want that shirt. You can call me dude, You can
call me man. You could also just say my name
Dave works real well, Real well.But But yeah, talking about the
people that you kind of bring tolight in this comic, I mean, the

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the dialogue is snappy and like,I love both sides of it.
Like there's a, you know, the the the little cutie thing, but
then like one of the characters calls her tits for brains or
one. Yeah.
And I'm just like, I never heardthat before.
And I snort left Like I snort left at that.
But yeah, you take the shots at both sides.

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But obviously you're, you know, the the guys in this, that the
men feel like they're charactersout of Idiocracy.
You know, it's funny because I Iwrote this thing and then I
found out my husband had never watched Idiocracy and and we
watched it and I was like, oh, yeah, I think the movie was so
hedged in my brain. Like that's a huge, obviously it

(28:06):
was a huge influence and they didn't even think about it.
It's like Raj dad was like, oh, for sure.
I mean, yeah, the stupid, the levels of stupidity.
I mean, it was pretty fun. I mean, writing dialogue is
obviously really fun. Sometimes I had to scale it back
'cause when writing you tend to like, write a ton of dialogue.

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Or sometimes it's funny, but it's too much, you know, too
much. But yeah, I wonder where I got
tits for Reigns from. I I kind of assumed that was
like a typical expression, but your reaction is telling me that
that's actually people both say that.
No, I mean, if they do, it's notobviously something I'm exposed
to. I don't really hang around with,

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you know, too many people that would say that.
But I mean, you know, obviously the the the phrase is shit for
brains, but like, yeah, it's just so witty and and snappy.
I mean, I think that's one of the reasons this comic spoke to
me. Like I, you know, we've been
talking for a year now and you told me about the comic and, you
know, the when the title came out, I'm like, I don't know what

(29:12):
to expect. And then reading it, I'm like,
yeah, this is, I mean, I think it was either in the synopsis or
I, you know, somebody put it like Idiocracy mixed with Mad
Max. I'm like, that's a pretty
apartment description. That is, I mean, I love Mad Max
and I watched it while I was while I was working on this
thing. Obviously I want them to make
another Furious Heroes, a movie obviously.

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And then Idiocracy. Like I said, some things just
are, I think, etched. And I mean, that's such like a
smart movie and it's really hardto watch now 'cause you're like,
this is real close to real, close to real.
Way too on the nose. Way too on the nose.
But he was always. That was that was Mike Judge
movie, right? Yeah.

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I mean, he's been ahead of the curve since he came into the
spotlight with Beavis and Butthead.
Like he, yeah, I mean, look at, you know, I mean, anybody that's
ever worked in an office and you've seen office space, you're
like, Yep, that's on the nose. There's some people out there
that the pulse is something thatthey're on top of before anybody

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else's, and he's one of them. Yes, 100%.
Huge inspiration and animation too.
I mean, yeah. Him like Matt Groening's another
one just ahead of the curve by amile and a half.
And you know we're all better for it cause The Simpsons have
been here forever. Exactly.

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And that's the magic of comedy too.
Like sometimes you imagine like the craziest thing that could
happen that would be the funniest and you know it it it
transpires in real time, so. Sometimes for the better, but
most times for the worse. So I wanted to ask you because I

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mean, for for anybody that hasn't put the two and two
together, your your dad is comicbook royalty.
I mean, your dad, Jeff, anybody that's been reading comics for
more than like 10 or so years understands there is a Mount
Rushmore and he's on it. Growing up, I know you went to
Comic Con with him a lot. And that's kind of like from

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what I understand, like you weredrawing at the table.
Obviously I gave you back one ofyour old drawings, but can you,
you know, like take back, take us back to the experience of
being a Comic Con and just kind of drawn at the table because
people were buying your your artwhen you were young?
You know, I look back at that and I, it's, it was kind of

(31:47):
crazy. I think I must have been in 6th
grade and my dad was going to Comic Con and I was like, I kind
of want to go with you. And he was like, why not?
And he took me with him and I started, I was like, you know
what? And I think I started out with
these. I used to draw people's Zodiac
signs like as a sketch, like that was my and people bought

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them. And I think being a little girl
was cute and kind of a talking about it.
But for me it was like a really serious thing.
And it was also like a really lovely thing to be able to sit
with my dad and draw with him and spend time with him and also
experience Comic Con because that's the, I mean, you would be

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wait. I was always so excited because,
you know, when they open the doors to Comic Con, people are
just like, you know, running, sprinting, like their life
depends on it. Like, you know, a zombie
apocalypse. I always thought like a fire
ever breaks out, like we're screwed.
Like, but it so it was like an incredible experience.

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And I think it really helped me,you know, also accept criticism
and kind of that was my first step of putting myself out there
where like I was kind of exposing myself to being like,
oh, you can't draw or like you saw, which by the way, like I
couldn't draw very well, just a little girl.
But people came over and bought my drawings and I don't know if

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they, you know, saw potential inme or but it meant a lot.
It gave me a lot of confidence. And yeah, I kept I and, you
know, my current boss, the incredible Claudia Katz, she
discovered me that we met at SanDiego Comic Con and try my
artwork. And so then she and she hired me

(33:37):
for an internship and then hiredme to work full time.
So in a lot of ways, like I owe my entire career to those times
as my dad at Comic Con. It was really like a huge leg up
that I had in the, you know, in the world.
And I do think that's important to mention because it's such a
hard business, an artist. And I can't really stand it when

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people are like, I made it here all on my own.
Yeah. Well, I mean, nobody.
You know, you can't really make it like at some point, right?
You need somebody to see your work, you know, to, to, to make
it. I mean, I, I, I can think of a
lot of creators out there that have, you know, made it on their

(34:24):
own, but they talk about how much work and somebody had to
see it, you know, you know, famously, you know, I mean,
somebody I talk about a lot of Tom McFarland talks about the
hundreds of rejection letters hegot until he got the one letter
that wasn't a rejection. And it's like, yeah, you, you
got to do. You got to do and you drawing at

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a young age is your pathway to eventually getting in there and
what you you know about your boss and and getting found
there. It's pretty much like this story
that keeps coming back over and over.
More people I talked to is yeah,I went to a Comic Con and I
showed people my samples and oneperson said yes.
And that's where my career started.

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But it doesn't happen by, you know it happens with, it doesn't
happen without the work. Yeah, I do.
That has always kind of been my,my, you know, I know I was very
lucky and I try my best to earn it by, you know, my dad was very
much like this is this is a really hard job and need to work

(35:31):
super hard. And sometimes in high school we
would butt heads because I was kind of was a slacker at school.
As I've said in school, as I've said in previous interviews, I
was not very good. I hated math.
And so my dad was like very like, you need to have work
ethic and I, so I do my best, even though like, you know, I
have a lot of imposter syndrome,obviously.

(35:52):
Like I, it's hard when I'm, I'm,I'm drawing and I just tell
myself like, I'm going to keep working you, as I said
previously, like I'm just going to work as hard as I can to earn
my place here. That's kind of how I see it.
I mean, imposter syndrome. I, I, I deal with it a lot.

(36:12):
You know, I, I'm like, nobody wants to hear me interview
anybody. Nobody wants to talk to me, but
clearly people do. So I'm wrong in that.
But I just keep, you know, I keep my head down and I work and
I was like you. I mean, damn, I was a slacker
till I was like 30. But hey, I did a lot of things I
wanted. So I don't consider that to be a
slacker. I just didn't apply the work

(36:33):
that I should have been working and doing.
But whatever, can't change the past.
Yeah, we ended up in a, you know, we ended up in a good
place. Yeah.
It's it, you know, I, I owe a lot to my dad.
Was a really big influence for me in obviously drawing like I
learned from him. And then someone I don't often

(36:56):
talk about is my mom. She's a writer and she is super
talented and she has read everything I've ever done and
she will note me to death and I am really happy about it.
She always has less constructivecriticism and she read all of my
tramps scripts and made sure they weren't total garbage.

(37:18):
So so I was really lucky in thatsense to also have them to guide
me. And, you know, having artist
parents are also like, very blunt.
Oh. I bet.
Useful. Purple sometimes, but useful.
I recently had on the podcast Liam Finn, who's a musician and

(37:39):
his dad is the founder and singer of Crowded House and like
his whole family's musical. And, you know, he talked about
like not not being pushed, but being encouraged to pick an
instrument and try it. And then, you know, he's got his
own musical career now. And it's something that I love

(37:59):
hearing his artists weather whatever medium you're in, being
encouraged and being supported by their parents or even just
one parent, whatever it is. And I think it's just something
that really needs to be for, I mean, if everybody can be
supportive of their children, think the world just gets a
little bit better, you know? 1,000,000% and more topics than

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one. Parents should be supportive of
their children. I also like I ran into a lot of
kids in art school that like their parents, did not want them
to be there. And I think it is the bravest
thing to go against your parentsto do what you love, what makes
you happy. And I always thought that was so
impressive in general. Parents should be supportive of

(38:49):
their kids. Like my husband was lucky enough
his he draws to, he's an animation, he's a revisionist
and board artist. Like his parents pushed him to,
you know, to that is also like ahuge leg up money or like those
are all things that allow kids to, you know, kind of pursue
their dreams. And they don't always realize
that these things are like, not a given, no.

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No. And your husband speaking.
Your husband, he's your coloriston the book, right?
He is Hugo Bloom. I, I thought that was really
interesting. And then it kind of gets to my
next question. I can't assume it, but are you
doing traditional or are you doing digital or are you doing a

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mix of both? So I draw the pencils in digital
and then I print them out and I ink them by hand and then my
husband colors them digitally. The reason I do this because
you'll probably be like, why? What a waste of time.
Just ink on tablet. No, and I'm going to tell you

(39:53):
why. First of all, I like inking and
I don't want it to be a lost art.
Right. Second of all, like I know well
and good that you got to have art to sell.
You know, we need to have some piece of art to, you know, end
the month, as they say. It just kind of translated that

(40:15):
weirdly. But yeah, it's just nice.
Like I, I want to have a physical copy of what I did.
It's really important to me. So there.
But it is easier to draw on tablet.
That is. That is true.

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Do you? Is there anything you
specifically do while you're inking?
Do you ink in silence? Do you ink with music on TV?
Anything like that? I'm going to expose myself as a
trash TV viewer. I so I do have a playlist which
I'm actually going to release for the I do have like a
playlist of like of music that Ilisten to, but I watch a lot of

(41:03):
television. You know, I listen to a lot of
television. What's what I listen to.
And I've been doing this with mydad pretty much since I was of
age watching Law and order special victim TV.
Well, I know that that is like, you know, it's a rough show, but
I love Marissa Haggerty so much and it's been kind of like a

(41:25):
lifelong tradition of we've listened to Law and order.
We did it with The X-Files too. I'm a big fan of The X-Files,
but we'd have to like stop and watch that.
But Law and Order as VU. And The thing is, you can also
leave that show and you come back to it and there's 500 more
episodes. I.
Think they're they're like season 32 right now.

(41:48):
I I'll have content forever. Unfortunately, when I say trash
because that's not listen, it's.Not Breaking Bad, but it's not
reality TVI. Also watch the Real Housewives
quite religiously and that is trash Tvi do I I will listen to

(42:11):
them while I'm while I'm working.
I've I've outed myself as a RealHousewives enjoyer and one of my
coworkers to the lovely Pam, Shesees this.
She also watches Real Housewives.
And so we have like a it's also our little social thing where we
mean, we talk about what's goingon.

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So yeah, inking, you know, it's funny because inking looks
relaxing. It is not.
It is very, I think it's a very like stressful thing to do
because you must have thinking traditionally like there's only
so much you can fix and then like I'm bothered if I have to
then fix it digitally. I want the original to look

(42:57):
good. Right, right.
But you know, beauty of art is also in the imperfections.
So, so, so the, the, the French part of you, because you're
French American, right? The French part of you likes,
you know, Daniel Clowes that likes the good stuff.
The American part of you likes the Real Housewives.
It's. It makes sense.

(43:19):
Everything we've got to have a balance.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Balance.
I mean, my balance is like, yeah, I read all that stuff and
I listen to stuff, you know, like I listen to music that is
great and like these storied bands, but I also love Limp
Bizkit. So, you know, it is what it is.
You. You got to have a listen.
You got to have a balance, yeah.Otherwise you go crazy speaking

(43:45):
on on your mom a little bit. She's a a film maker right Also.
She is, yes. Yeah.
Any of that background of hers ever influence you in in certain
ways. I mean, you know, working in
animation, I don't know if that kind of crossover, but, you
know, artistic parents. I don't have two artistic

(44:05):
parents. And you, you very much do.
So like I was just wondering theinfluences from her her film
career. She has influenced me a lot also
because she really quickly, likewas taking me to see movies
really early and in my comic book.
And I hope this is visible. Like, oh, movies are like a

(44:25):
really big influence on me. And especially like this is
where my dad and I differ artistically.
Like he loves to have fun with different perspectives and
different like goals. He'll just never wants the same
shot once. I, on the other hand, kind of
like to have fun with like, oh, we're staying in one place for,

(44:47):
for a little bit. That's and 'cause I kind of try
to all the comic book like a movie, if that makes sense.
Sure. No, you do.
I totally see that. And so she really, I mean, she
showed she's the one who showed me like Russ Meyer.
She she would take me when we lived in Chicago, like she would
take me to the music box Theatre.

(45:08):
Go see there's AI have like a wego see Hitchcock movies, a lot
of Audrey Hepburn movies. If any of you have not seen Wait
Until Dark, great Audrey Hepburn.
It's really scary. I became like a huge Fellini
fan. I have my little Roma.
Yeah, I saw that. So I'm really grateful to her

(45:31):
for that. She really exposed me to so much
different Culture novels as well.
So she's pretty. She's she's fun.
But then she'd also take me likeI remember when I was I was like
a really little girl. She'd be like, come on, we're
going to see a film by this likeniche Armenian director.
And it was like 4 hours black and white it.

(45:55):
And it was like these heap herders herding sheep.
And like everything I'm judging,I am not.
And I think I was maybe 8 years old.
And so I don't know. I think that is so because I was
sitting in the theater, like, yeah.
Yeah, there's certain films thatlike, as a young person, you

(46:15):
just, you shouldn't be forced towatch because then you're right,
it's art. I mean, I saw Metropolis when I
was young and I didn't get it. And then I saw it later on and I
was like, OK, that didn't make sense.
Same. Same with Apocalypse Now.
Apocalypse Now ruined Brando forme.
I didn't want to watch any more Brando movies after that because
I hated him in Apocalypse Now and I was like, why can't the

(46:37):
second-half of this movie be more like the first half?
You know, funny and I can't watch more movies.
I know this is like a really, I've never seen Apocalypse Now.
I think I like when Hugo really,really loves that movie, but
I've actually never seen it. I have, however, seen Brando in
the Island of Doctor Moreau. Oh my God.

(46:58):
And yes, that is referenced in this first issue.
Life changing. Holy shit the stories about that
movie are like eons better than the actual movie.
I the costuming, I mean, I have a lot of questions because I

(47:21):
won't, I don't know, like the face paint, the tunics, like
there's just so. And you know, funny enough, I
think a while ago I was watchingit was like an episode of Modern
Family and they had one of the characters like on a boat.
They're like on vacation and he was wearing like the Marlon
Brando island. And I was like, that's such a

(47:43):
niche ref. I was like, wow, I.
Mean it's it's one of the biggest inside jokes, that movie
that like is a public thing, youknow, man, I mean, I feel like
Kilmer talked about it in that documentary that he did a couple
years back. But yeah, you hear the stories
and you watch that movie and you're like, what the actual

(48:05):
fuck? It's a it's a mystery.
Well, maybe, maybe one day you'll do a comic exploring the
stories behind the island of Doctor Moreau Re Remains.
My next project, but I didn't mean to like I went off on a

(48:25):
tangent. I no.
That's. Fine, there are some things like
you watch as a kid and you're like, that was one of them.
Like that was an art movie that like, you know, as an adult I
may have been able to watch, butas a kid, you're like, I don't.
Care it's I, I try to, I mean, that's also the part, the

(48:47):
beautiful thing about movies and, and even bad movies or bad
art. It's just like it sometimes
sticks with you and you know, use that in quotes, but it
sometimes sticks with you a little bit more than the good
stuff, you know. So Jar Jar Binks has stuck with
me my whole life. Same here.
I the one thing I remember aboutthose prequels is George or

(49:10):
Banks, unfortunately. But I also like, I do believe in
watching bad stuff. I do believe it's it.
And I think John Waters said this too.
So you got to listen. You got to watch the bad to
appreciate the good. And you also get a lot of
inspiration from watching stuff that's poorly made.

(49:38):
Yeah. Yeah.
And it can give you ideas on to do something that's the opposite
or better or an improvement on that, like in your own voice,
your own way. You know, yeah, I was gonna say,
like when you watch a Neil Breenmovie, you know, not to do what
Neil Breen does. I don't know if you've ever

(50:00):
seen. I'll have to send you some
titles. That is an experience.
It makes like The Room, if you've ever seen that makes the
room look good. It's really, I think his most
famous one is called Fateful Findings and it's kind of, it's

(50:23):
indescribable. It was so.
It was so life changing for me that I actually bought it on
Apple TV. I'm going to have to check this
movie out. Yes, you absolutely do.
You'll it's it's however bad you're imagining it to be, at
this moment it's worse. I do appreciate bad things a

(50:46):
lot. And I think there's a lot of
things that have come out in thelast 10 years.
And I'll I'll say one title thateverybody can, you know, be
like, oh, yeah, it's terrible. I think in 10 years, we're going
to be talking about Madam Webb in a way that nobody understands
now, like how bad that movie is and how so much of it makes no
sense. And it's, it's amazing.

(51:07):
I listen, I knew as soon as thattrailer dropped.
First of all, I'm a supporter ofDakota Johnson.
Sure, sure. As soon as that trailer dropped,
I was like, I'm going to go see that.
I went to see Craven too. Oh God, oh God, it's so bad.
Craven as well, which was prettybad, but Madam Webb, that shot

(51:30):
of her at the end with the glasses in the wheelchair.
Yeah, Professor X looking Madam Webb.
That was, I mean what a movie going experience for sure.
I think movie 2 in the theater worth every penny.
There's so much about that movie, Oh my God.

(51:51):
Like the fact that they dubbed over the main villain's voice
and it made no fucking sense. I don't know what I don't know,
because like, I know that like he speaks English.
I actually really like that actor quite a lot.
And I was like this poor man, Like, how would it be?
I mean, I think it was another case of like the like studios

(52:12):
will overtake these projects andthen completely blame it on like
the director when they, you know.
Oh, of course. Or they'll blame it on the star.
And then the star is like, all right, I'm going to do all these
talk shows and basically just say how much this wasn't a good
experience. She had the last.

(52:32):
She gets the last laugh on it. Her and Sidney Sweeney do not
have to worry about that movie hankering down their career so.
No, they no, they do not. I'm glad to see she's gonna be
in a Dakota Johnson's gonna be in a Celine song movie.
I'm excited about that. Yeah, that comes out soon, I
think, maybe this week. Oh yeah, that's true.

(52:53):
Yeah, yeah. Is that's the materialist,
right? Yes, Yeah, yeah.
I mean, there's something in that gas for everybody.
It's true. Like that hits all of the bullet
points. All of the bullet, but I'm also
excited cause like her, if you've seen past lives like it's
it's so. Was that the was that the

(53:14):
Amazon? The the woman that works in who
was in that movie Past lives. Greta Lee It's really good.
I would It's a very heartbreak. It's really original.
It's beautifully filmed. The music is stunning and it's a
really original kind of concept because there's a story, but

(53:35):
also not really it's it's reallyfantastic.
And so I am excited about the material is because I don't
think it's going to be what we are told it's going to be
because she's quite the filmmaker.
So I'm excited. Hopefully I don't eat my words.
Hopefully I don't go see it. What's this?

(54:00):
You're you're a dark horse. And Dark Horse is one of those
publishers where they are not, you know, Marvel, DC, they do
their thing and that's what theydo Dark Horse and Phantom
graphics and some of the other ones that are, you know, like
that will publish stories that are I don't even know what to
like classify that they're just indie stories creator, you know,

(54:22):
stuff. And I think for my listeners, I
think most people are into good stories and a good laugh.
And because I don't consider myself to be one of those type
of men that sit here and be likeBros for laugh or anything like
that, I think I think at least the comic reading audience will

(54:44):
be into it. I'm, I'm glad to, glad to hear
it. I also think like, you know,
it's funny. The other day I came across it
was like a meme about leftist men and it was just like a
little meme poking. And it's funny how upset men got
in the comments. And all I could think of is
like, you know, I see jokes about white women all the time.

(55:05):
And I don't feel like, personally, I usually just laugh
and move on. So I think maybe a little
introspection would be, I'm always like, appreciative of,
you know, men who can, you know,read this kind of thing and
laugh and not feel personally attacked.

(55:27):
Unless, of course, they are those kinds of Bros, in which
case you should feel personally.Attack yeah, if if Elon is your
daddy and you, you know, you drive a cyber truck, this comic
clearly isn't for you because. You.
Have yeah, you have no sense of humor.
That's why you own a cyber truck, unless you own a cyber
truck that's maybe pink or something like then you painted

(55:47):
a pink and you have a sense of humor about yourself.
I think that would be the only cyber truck I'd be like not
giving the finger to. But I mean, I don't know.
I, I, I want to read things thata provoke me thoughtfully, you
know, the provoke what I think about myself or my species.

(56:11):
If when I call it that, I want to read something that's
different. And this hits that bold point.
Also, the coloring like is such an interesting thing.
Like it is what 3 colors pretty much white, black, pink, or I
don't know what. Not a color aficionado, but what
color would that be considered? It's white.

(56:31):
It's just white, black and whitewith pink.
And it turns into I think, yeah,purple is the comic book goes
on. And then you'll see in the
second and third volume, the color also slowly transitions.
Yeah, it's kind of like bisexuallighting by accident, but it's

(56:55):
like between trans flag and bisexual flag.
And that's wasn't intentional. But I'm glad to to represent and
support. And yeah, I'm also thankful.
I was like a little bit worried because I don't know what you
can. I mean, Dark Horse was so great
because they just kind of let medo whatever I want, you know,

(57:16):
they had really good feedback and they were just a really good
publishing company to work with.Super professional and again,
really respectful of my vision and what I wanted to do so.
Going forward, you know, I know this is a three issue, a mini,
but I've heard you talk about how you would like to keep

(57:38):
going. Do you have the next story
written out? Do you have a bunch of stuff
already ready to go? Like you're like, I just need
the yes, and I'm going to start on the next volume.
I mean, I have like a huge, I know where I want it to go.
I know, you know, I, I'd like toget into more back story of how
the world ended up this way. And obviously, like it does hang

(58:02):
up on it does end on a cliffhanger.
Like I do not end it. Not to give you spoilers.
And don't let that dissuade you from buying it.
Buy it any way so you can get more.
But yeah, I am hoping to be, youknow, to make more, to be able
to continue the story. I also have some other ideas I'd

(58:26):
like to do. So the balls in your court, dark
horse. And also people my my customers.
Yeah, yeah, the comic readers. I mean, I already, I had my my
LCS order 2 copies, obviously one for myself and then I'll
probably just give one away on the channel because I believe in
one of the best ways to spread the words of comics is to put

(58:49):
them in people's hands. And if they get it for free,
they'll buy the next two. Yeah.
Well, thank you so much and thank you for thank you for
doing that. And I do would, I would like to
plug if that is possible, June 28th at Golden Apple Comics.

(59:09):
I did say June 28th and not January 28th.
Which is. Like an imbecile from 1:00 to
3:00 PMI will be signing at Golden Apple Comics with Hugo
Blonde. My husband who is also the
colorist and I will be selling aprint and 100% of the proceeds

(59:30):
will go to the ACLU to keep fascists out of America and also
have a donation box. So if you are in the LA County
area, do not hesitate to stop by.
Yes, and Golden Apple famous comic store.
It's still on Melrose, right? Let me look up the address if
that's OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of

(59:51):
course I've been there. I haven't been there in years,
but I've been there a bunch of times.
It is on Melrose, it is on 7018 Melrose Ave. in Los Angeles, CA
and it's a great comic shop and I will be there on that day.
One could even say it's the comic book shop to the stars.

(01:00:13):
It's true. Yeah, especially now that you
know what Meltdown's been gone for four or five years now.
That place was amazing. I've I've been to that place.
Actually, I was surprised. I was really sad to hear that it
closed down. Yeah, it.
Was it was a staple? We need more comic book stores.
That is very true. And if we can, you know, wish a

(01:00:36):
bunch more into existence, let'slet's do that right now.
Manifest many more the success of comic books.
Yes, and the the fall of fascism.
Yes. That that that's, that is the
overarching theme to this interview.

(01:00:56):
This book and and our times right now is more comics, less
fascism. That's right.
Yeah, and I mean, I'm I'm OK to smash the patriarchy too.
Nice. Well, you know, I used to say
this. This is not a new topic that
especially you've talked about with my female friends and just

(01:01:19):
in general, like go through the history books and you look at
all the wars and you look at allthe, you know, just nasty
genocides and all this stuff. It wasn't, not if it was started
by a woman. I mean, maybe there was a queen
here and there that probably didsomething really shitty, but
most of the times we know who's who's causing the problems.

(01:01:41):
That's true. I think there was like 1 I
think. I think it may have been a queen
who started the the the Inquisition.
I don't want to stop false falsefacts, but you are.
False history. False.
Me making history up on the spot.
But yes, unfortunately I have looked this up.
There's also another very embarrassing.

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I looked it up because I was looking at like famous Tauruses
who did bad things. And as we know, Hitler was a
Taurus. So there we go.
Got to edge like put in some horoscope astrology and visit.
There's really everything's in this interview.
Well, we could, we could, we could like have a separate

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podcast where it's about fake history and horoscopes, you
know, you know, like when, Yeah,yeah, I'm, I'm pretty sure that
I could probably talk for 45 minutes about how Abe Lincoln
was a, a secret Nazi before Nazis existed.
You know, that's, that's, that'sfake history.

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Somebody needs to make that comic The Secret History of Abe
Lincoln. I mean, we all know that he was
gay and John Wilkes Booth was his lover and that's why he
killed him. But you know.
I did not know that. That's something that I've heard
for 20 years. I don't know where it started, I
don't know, but it'd be really amazing if it was true.

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That would be quite, that would be a, you know, a game changer.
Yeah. He.
Killed him in a theater. They were watching a musical.
He he was a jealous lover. Wasn't a political thing.
Anyway, before we get 2 out there, yeah, June 25th Tramps of

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the apocalypse #1 comes out. First issue of a three issue
mini from Dark Horse. Alice Darrow, last thing I'll
ask you as a first. Well, this is your first comic
book. Any advice to anybody looking to
go as a writer, artist, you know, a cartoonist in anything

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you'd like to kind of put out there to a young creator?
One thing I'd like to say is that, and it took me a while to
understand this, criticism that is not constructive is not
criticism. People being mean or cruel about
your work, don't listen to that.Criticism should always be

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constructive. So don't let people get you
down. That would be my first piece of
advice. Second piece of advice is do
your best. Try not to be so perfectionist
because sometimes, like, the most important thing is to
finish what you're doing and it will never live up to the

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expectation that you've created in your head.
But to start something and be able to finish it is a huge
achievement and super important and the first step to making it.
I think as a writer, you know, creator, I don't know if that's.
Yeah. And young ladies, don't let
anyone tell you you can't do this job.

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So I artist, do your best. And again, it's only real
criticism when it's constructive.
I say that because I went to a very complicated college where
they were super mean and it takes a while to learn like,
hey, these people are just beinggratuitously mean and it can
really get you down. So stay hopeful and hang on.

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Cool. Yeah, thank you.
I I appreciate that. I, I lot of creators listen to
this, a lot of people that are working on indie comics and
stuff. So I like to get that
perspective. I mean, I think it's just great
to hear and thank you for that. Anything else before we get
going? I guess you can follow me on

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Instagram at Dallas under score Arrow and that's also my
username on Blue Sky, which I always forget about, but I check
it. So all right, reach out to me,
follow me on there and go buy mycomic book, please.
Yes, and go see Alice at Golden Apple on June 28th.

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All. Right.
Well, Alice, thank you so much. I'm glad you know, we we made
this happen. This is like almost talking
about it for a year, but want towait till the book was coming
out. And I can say from experience of
reading this at everybody shouldgo out and buy it.
And if they don't, we come to your house.
I'm going to take the money, I'mgoing to go to the comic store
and I'm going to come back with the comic.

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That's a threat and a promise. Thanks for watching and
listening to that, and I hope you do go to the comic book
store this Wednesday, June 25th and pick up Tramps of the
Apocalypse issue #1 from Dark Horse and it's a 3 issue
miniseries. And if you're in the LA area on

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June 28th, please go to Golden Apple Comics on Melrose and say
hello to Alice for me and get your book signed and have it
signed by Hugo as well. As we get into this fourth
season, I'm ramping it up. I'm just, I really want to just
pump out the interviews and talkto more people and have great
conversation to share with you. And it it really does help if

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you can subscribe to the podcaston whatever platform you desire
and whatever platform you're currently listening to this on.
And it would also help if you can like it on YouTube and drop
a comment or leave a review on Apple with words.
You know, like Dave's awesome. I love listening to his nasally
New York Jewish voice. I guess it's not that nasally or

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on Spotify, you scroll up to thetop and you just hit the five
stars. I won't accept anything else.
Come on. Come on.
I you wouldn't. You wouldn't give a guy with
glasses four stars, right? Especially clear frames like
this. Any who.
Thank you so much to Alice for doing this.
Thank you for listening and coming back for the 4th season

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of Direct Edition. My name is Dave and I'll see you
next week.