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.9Hello, and thank you for joining our stream of conscious ADHD podcast.
I'm Heidi Faucette, along with my sister Heather.
We are Gen X, in menopause, and surprise, newly diagnosed with ADHD.
Since we found out about our ADHD during the pandemic, we have spent most weekends sitting in my backyard in Brooklyn with our champagne brunch discussing the impact.
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The reflections, the grief, the stories.
Many adults are now finding they were never diagnosed.
So, we thought we would bring everyone into our backyard discovery sessions, hoping it will help.
We laugh.
We cry.
We are stream of consciousness conversationalists.
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We hope you enjoy listening to our discovery and perhaps glean some comfort from it.
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Here we go.
Into the backyard.
Being motivated to do the thing that doesn't interest you, you need fear.
That was a comment that we made the other day.
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Well, yeah, because normally people have an interest in something and they have that the dopamine rush in their brain that motivates them to do the thing, but ADHD ers don't have that.
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So how do you motivate yourself to do it? You don't have the chemistry that pushes your brain forward.
You're like, "Oh, look, a challenge.
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Yay!" For me, I had to, and I didn't know I was doing it, but I was like, "if I don't do this thing, this is going to make me fail.
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It's going to cause a domino effect of failure."
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So I had to use fear as a motivator.
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And I didn't start doing this until college.
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And I started college at 27 because I was like, "I can't be poor for the rest of my life."
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But you said that you employed the fear earlier which was new information for us all.
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Right? Right.
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Well, and again, discovering all things, but yes, because so Heather and I, we always say we share the same brain and, and we are very similar.
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And, growing up, we were very close.
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We're only two years apart.
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And our childhood was not great.
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Um, but we saw things very differently.
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Like we would have the same event happen.
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And then later in life, when we sit in the backyard and Brooklyn talking about it, she'd be like, "wait, what you thought that? No, I thought this."
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You just take things differently.
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But she'd get annoyed at me because the parents would say, "Oh, can't you be like Heidi and get good grades?" But the only reason I got good grades was because I tried to do everything in my power to get on the good side of my mother and stepfather.
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So me getting good grades was part of that being driven by fear.
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I felt like if I didn't, my mother wouldn't love me, my stepfather would, be abusive or whatever.
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And so all of the good deeds were done out of fear of the alternative.
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So, um, so yeah, fear- based.
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Yeah.
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Which...
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You were very people pleasing, right? Your motivation was people pleasing and I was more of a, like I just withdrew.
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I felt like powerfully misunderstood and I withdrew.
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I'm like, I just need you to help me.
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Stop punishing me.
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I need you to help me.
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And I didn't even know to ask for help.
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Right.
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Because that's, I don't think Gen X kids, their parents were super involved in their academic life.
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Absolutely not.
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And so those who needed help didn't really know to ask for it.
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We just languished in poor grades.
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Yeah.
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And I think part of it though, at least in our situation, and maybe it was all Gen X er parents, but mom and Dave always made it feel like we were inconveniencing them by asking for anything.
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Anything.
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But, that, it could be.
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Well, you guys let us know.
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Were all Gen X er's parents like that? Gen Xers are famous for being like feral children, right? Lawn darts.
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That's all I've got to say.
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Right.
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Latch key kids, except our parents didn't leave the house.
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Yeah, wish they would have.
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Right, right.
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So we just left and roamed the woods, but I think that was pretty common.
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Well, yes.
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Pretty much, because I see like things all the time on that, but.
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Which is wonderful, uh, in some regards.
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Yeah, no, I mean, I, I really enjoyed that part of our childhood being, tomboys and, you know.
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Free range children.
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Free range children.
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It was awesome.
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We don't have that anymore.
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"Go to the store and get me some cigarettes, please."
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Yeah.
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And do not buy anything else.
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Oh my gosh.
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How did you think you were going to get away with that? I, I was an idiot.
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That's all.
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That's why.
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So we have to of course tell you the story now.
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So mom sent us to the store to get cigarettes, gave Heather the money, and said only buy, like you just said, buy cigarettes only.
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So we trotted, I don't know, it was like a half a mile to the 7 Eleven.
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It's probably more than that.
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You think? Yeah.
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We should, look at the Google map.
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So we went to the 7 Eleven and I don't even know, did I say to you, "Oh, you shouldn't do that?" Or did I even have the candy? I don't even remember you being there, but that doesn't mean you weren't there.
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Maybe I wasn't.
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Yeah, because I think you came out of that without getting, it was just, I think it was just me.
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It must have been just you.
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And the cigarettes were...
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It wasn't cigarettes, it was milk! Oh, yeah.
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And P.
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S.
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cigarettes ware 35 cents a pack.
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When we were like seven.
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Yeah, so I went to the store, got the requested thing.
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The milk, yeah.
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And I thought, she won't notice if I spend 15 cents on a candy bar because we didn't have a lot of sweets or stuff around and I just really wanted it and I'm like, I'm going to try to pull this off.
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Well.
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She did not pull it off because mom counted the money, saw that there was...
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And then she called! Oh, She called the 7 Eleven.
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Right, because Heather was like, oh, but I, that's all I bought.
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And so she called it and they're like, oh no, she bought milk and a candy bar.
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And the next thing I know, mom is chasing Heather around the backyard with the broom Not the fluffy working end of the broom.
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The hard handle part where she's cracking me in the head with it.
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Everybody saw it was humiliating.
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Straight up.
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So this is like the, we were talking about the laughing and the crying part of it.
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But anyway, speaking of your reaction versus mine, this is something you said yesterday and I voice recorded it into my notes, "not knowing you have ADHD, you feel like a big weirdo and you become Goth Yeah.
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And, it's the being misunderstood part.
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Yes.
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You feel misunderstood.
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You feel like the people around you don't get you because of all the things, right? Right.
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And I drifted into the Goth direction as a younger person.
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Because you feel like they understood you.
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Well, it was just a band of weirdos and you could look around, say you're in a room of a hundred people and you see another Goth person and you're like, "yes, we are misunderstood."
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and that was your connection with them.
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and we shared the same music, of course, and that's how you can find the best people, is if they share the same music, you can connect with them.
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and so if you, connect with the Susie and the Banshees crowd, you're like, these are my people.
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And I kind of wonder if, you know, I think, I was gonna, thinking the same thing.
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Go ahead.
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No, you go ahead.
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that we should poll Goth people to see if they...
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yeah, It's like, I wonder how many Goth people also have ADHD.
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Right, because if it's the misunderstood and what have you, then they're not mainstream, right? And so if they're not mainstream, what are they? And that kind of reminds me of the concept of, in the 90s, we had what was called alternative music.
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It's the same kind of concept where...
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That's my jam.
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So if it's an alternative to what exactly? The mainstream.
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Yeah.
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And are those just like the people in one standard deviation from the mean? I don't want to be hanging out with those people.
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They're boring.
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Trent Reznor, if you're listening, please, DM me and let me know if you have ADHD as the, king...
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I don't even think it's.
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I think it's industrial.
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I don't even know what that is.
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Nine Inch Nails, you know.
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Oh yeah, I don't know what that category is.
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That's a little bit later than my Goth period.
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Oh yes, no, I'm saying, because you were talking about alternative music.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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I said that's my jam.
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And, I lumped, Nine Inch Nails in with that, but I think they're technically classified as industrial, but anyway.
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Well, it's definitely not in the, top 40 radio.
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Yeah.
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You never heard Casey Kasem saying, "and at the top of the pop chart is Nine Inch Nails I want to 'bleep' you like an animal."
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Oh my God.
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Can you Imagine? So, and I just, I have to read this note because I just think it's hysterical.
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"All of the things you thought everyone else thought and did and felt is not normal suddenly."
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When I went through my midlife crisis, like I just left a bunch of stuff behind at LaGuardia place.
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That's not like you.
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I know you were having a moment.
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Yeah, because you think about it, all my stuff went away at one time.
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I was getting a divorce.
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I got laid off from my job and the apartment that I was going into contract on had to be pulled because I lost my job.
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And so I had zero responsibilities.
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That's why I'm like, I'm going to Africa to volunteer because for the first time in my life, I didn't have any obligations, responsibilities, nothing.
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There have been several times in my life that I felt unhinged and misunderstood and what have you, but that time after separating from Lee, I don't even recognize that person.
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Like, I don't even feel like that was me.
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And I recall that period, and it was difficult for everyone.
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I'm sure it was.
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But I do understand.
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And at the time I understood and in retrospect I understood, but at the time it was difficult so I'm like, I'm gonna be over here until everything settles down.
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I tend to retreat.
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I'm not a people pleaser.
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I knew that it would sort out.
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And that was my thing.
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Whenever I would talk to people about like, Oh, Heidi and I aren't getting along.
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And my mantra was always, we're not getting along right now, but it's not always going to be like this yeah.
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So I always knew everything would sort out.
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I just knew it wasn't in that moment.
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And that's fine, right? Cause not everyone's on the same page a hundred percent of the time it's just, that would be unreasonable.
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Right.
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And if I had really put that in alignment with you retreating to your room, when things with the parents went wrong, maybe I would have understood it more, but I just felt like it was a complete abandonment because I felt like because we didn't really have a safety net that we just had each other.
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Yeah, but I just felt like I was being abandoned.
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So I was like, fine.
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Okay.
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Oh, so you were yours was a defense mechanism...
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I appreciate that because we've all kind of been in situations where the confluence of events makes us behave in ways we wouldn't expect we would behave.
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Yeah.
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And you're just like feel unhinged.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think anybody who has like behavioral issues or.
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What is not I keep saying this, "one standard deviation from the mean" which just means what everybody considers to be normal behavior, normal stats.
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Anybody who falls outside that, and is in the tails, is somehow a problem and is not educatable or there's some dysfunction with them.
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And I don't like the term ADHD.
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I don't like the "D" because I don't think it's a "D."
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I think it is, um, the last D Yes.
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I think it is, we are on a spectrum of humanness and we've decided that there are certain children that are super attentive and can learn when you park them in front of a teacher and they bark orders at you.
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But then there's these people who don't respond to that and need to learn in a different way.
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There's not a dysfunction, it's just different.
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Different, yeah.
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The D is for different.
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So, I attended a webinar the other day from ADDitude Magazine, and it was a guy, I can't remember credentials, any of that, but he was talking about how he changed the acronym to what he thinks it should be and I took a screenshot of it and I'll have to share it because everyone says it, so I don't know why they don't change it.
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Yeah.
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But even the "H" the, hyperactivity is I don't have hyperactive.
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I think it's the brain part, that's hyperactive.
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Well, but this is the interesting thing because for some reason, at some point in my forties, I stopped talking to myself in rapid fire.
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That's interesting.
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I feel like that really ramped up for me as I ramped into menopause.
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Like when I was on my estrogen plateau, I could function.
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I learned how to function better.
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I felt like especially work was jelling for me.
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when you're a kid and you have no estrogen, I was like a mess, a mess.
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And then I figured out how to manage.
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And then when I was starting to go into menopause, I feel like I'm unhinged again.
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but your chatter is chilled.
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Right.
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It has.
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And the reason I recognize that is because, of my marketing coach saying you're having these negative thoughts to yourself.
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You've got to stop, snap, and then change it to a positive thought, And I'm like, wait a second, I don't talk to myself as much as I used to, like the banter in my head.
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Because remember when, I don't know if you read an article or I did, we found out that there are people in the world who don't have an inner monologue.
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That blows my mind.
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Oh my god, my inner monologue is insanely driving everything.
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I'm wondering though, is it all the quote unquote mainstream people that have no inner monologue? Or is it somebody else who has ADHD but has like different symptoms? A different flavor off the menu.
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Different flavors.
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Somebody's going rogue.
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Right? And it's not a rogue.
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It's there's like there's a menu of things and we don't all pick the same things.
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But we're in the same group.
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We're eating from the same restaurant.
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We're choosing...
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Differently on the menu.
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Exactly.
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We're not choosing the menu, but we are being served a different meal.
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If we were having choices, we would all stand up and go, "I don't want anything!...
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peace out!" Yeah Our reason for this podcast is to support and uplift women in recognizing the impact undiagnosed ADHD has on their lives and to know that they're not alone.
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Discovery, and grieving for what life could have been if we had only known and had help, can be hard sometimes.
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If you have any thoughts you would like to share, you can email us at Gen X ADHD Sisters@gmail.com.
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Thank you for listening.