July 1, 2025 • 29 mins
Who carries Charles Bronson's torch in today's action landscape?
Bronson carved out a unique space in cinema history with his stoic presence, minimalist acting style, and everyman quality that somehow made his extraordinary feats believable. We dive deep into what made him special – that gritted-teeth delivery, the intimidating presence despite his average stature, and his ability to play essentially the same character across different films while still creating something compelling each time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Skip, I think you had a question for me.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, after going through his oeuvre and really
kind of re-evaluating Bronsonwho we have not mocked but
imitated many times, even thoughit's funny I noticed in almost
all of his films he has a lispand no one ever mentions it.
What are you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
going to bring that up to Bronson.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well, yeah, I'm not going to tell him to his face,
sure, but my question was who doyou think is the modern Charles
Bronson?
I think I know what my answeris.
Okay, I'm curious as to whatyou think.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I guess this is how we define what that is.
When I think of Charles Bronson, you know, you think of, I'd
say, kind of a shorter persona,a little bit timeless, acting
through gritted teeth in a way,you know, lots of like playing
the same character, somewhataction-based, but also somewhat
every man ish, you know, alsomaybe has like some weird films
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thrown in there.
Which of those elements shouldI focus on in this particular
quandary?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
that's a good question, because when you say
those qualifiers, Iautomatically think Bruce Willis
, which is obviously the reasonthat they did the remake of
Death Wish with Bruce Willis,which is terrible.
But no, I don't think it's thatpersonally this weird simpatico
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.
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Where you know we share the same existence at the
same time.
But sometimes it can be hard tofind that connection and I
wonder if I'm going todisappoint you by not naming who
you might think.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, you're not going to disappoint me either
way.
I don't know if we'll agreeright off the bat.
We can argue it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, there are three individuals that come to mind I
couldn't think of that many.
That's crazy okay we'll see ifany of these fit for you okay
okay, the first one comes tomind is tom hardy, interesting.
Okay, there's a consistentaction element.
He like his performances arenever generally that broad,
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fairly not anti-emotional butsubsumed okay when you see his
face and you think of himspeaking, it's always kind of
like you know he's not reallyopening his mouth a lot.
It's kind of like that stonyexterior.
He also mixes in, again fairlyaction-based, but kind of these
weird projects every once in awhile, be it a Venom, in a way a
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Locke, a Taboo TV show.
That's interesting, bronson,you know early in his career Boy
.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
The irony of him playing.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Bronson.
Another one that kind of cameto mind is Some of his Guy
Ritchie stuff I could see.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So I think this one fits the least, but it did pop
to my head was a Ryan Gosling.
Did you say Ryan Gosling?
Ryan Gosling, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now this kind of only sticks in my craw a bit in his
Nicholas Winding Refn years Surewhen it was that and like Ides
of March, again somewhat robotic, in a way charismatic, but an,
an unevocative charisma.
I think he's kind of like hisstuff before that and stuff
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after that kind of disqualifieshim, but in that short period of
time that's kind of like top ofmy head.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So we're not getting, we're not considering Lars and
the real girl, then is whatyou're saying?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean, if it is well , lars, I mean it kind of fits a
little more in that, butprobably not, and it's tough.
Okay, maybe I'm a little bitangry white guy with a gun and a
chip on his shoulder held inthis frame of mind, but a Liam
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Neeson, interesting the latterhalf of his career is very Death
Wish inspired, so I think I'mjust kind of conflating those
two personas into the same brainspace.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
There's nothing wrong with that.
I mean no, there's nothingwrong with that.
No, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't think any ofthose were what you were looking
for.
No, so I'm going to cede mytime, and because I could keep
coming up with things.
I mean, there's elements oflike a Josh Brolin, but he also
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has some wild swings that don'tfit.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The senator has ceded his time.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I do not recall, mr Representative.
Okay, well, actually, you knowwhat?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
the Liam Neeson thing is?
I think great.
I do not recall, mrRepresentative.
Okay, well, actually you knowwhat the Liam Neeson thing is.
I think great.
I think that is a very goodalternative to my theory.
I think that is probably one ofthe better that I could
possibly think of.
He did kind of like pigeonholehimself into that type of role,
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and I think, for good reason.
I mean well, actually I don'tknow, because I don't know why
he's that guy, Just like BruceWillis.
It was one of those thingswhere it was like, well, I don't
know why he's that guy, itshouldn't work, but it does.
Because of Die Hard now he's anaction star With Liam Neeson.
It's like with Taken now he'san action star Because Liam
Neeson didn't do shit like thatbefore that.
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You know.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, I mean he had occasionals.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But Sure, but I mean he was more of the love actually
type actor before that.
You know what I mean.
Well, I mean he had likeplenty't those type.
Those weren't the Taken typearchetypes.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
No, no post-Taken.
And then you get the Grey andthen like the Commuter, and now
it's just a cookie cutter kindof vibe to all of his stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And don't forget, you had three Taken movies.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Oh, how could I possibly forget all three Taken
movies?
You know what I possibly forgetall three taken movies.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know what I?
I have seen all three.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I couldn't tell you what happens in most of them I
mean, I think I got the firstone down and the second one is
why because I think that's thefamke jansen gets kidnapped.
Does that sound right?
Three I have no recollection of.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I have, I don't , I have.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Is it his dog Does his dog get taken.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's his ferrets.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
His family, ferrets, gets taken.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Togo gets kidnapped, Wait Pogo and Kodo.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is that what?
No, Pogo and Kodo.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's one of the other reasons I wanted to talk
about action boys, which I knowyou'll never listen to, but it's
so funny to me because theyhave these running bits where
they just like us, where theycontinue over to other episodes
and they have this whole thing.
They started off with talkingabout how bad like chris pratt
is about, like apparently heproselytizes on set all the time
that doesn't surprise me at alllike like zachary, levi, you
know, and until I don't know howthey got to it, but like they
have all these reoccurringcharacters because they do a lot
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of impressions, one of which isdar from from beastmaster,
which cracks me up every fuckingtime.
Yeah, one of the other ones isrobocop not not peter, weller
robocop, and then.
And so they always have thisrunning bit about how, because
it started in one episode abouthow, like what if robocop was in
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jurassic world?
And he kept proselytizing torobocop who's like, look man,
I've got it covered.
Like leave me alone, like I amthe messiah figure, like I get
it.
Just I'm just trying to getstuff off of the food table,
leave me alone.
And we just insert Dar in thereconstantly Like, hey guys,
(07:55):
what's up?
You guys need anything done.
It's so fucking funny.
It just kills me Because that'sexactly what you and I would do
.
But I totally see the Liam Ne,what you and I would do.
But I totally see the LiamNeeson thing I do.
I think that's a really goodanswer.
But I have two.
One is, I think, a little weak.
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The other one I think is, Ithink, dead on.
The weak one, I think, isGerard Butler.
Okay, I can looking throughbecause I've watched recently.
I've watched a lot of GerardButler movies, so 2B you are
poisoning your brain well, Iwatch a lot of 2B okay, 2b.
(08:38):
Their recommendations are sadlyspot on for the most part.
If I'm in a certain mood, oh,that's a.
That's another funnyreoccurring bit from Action Boys
they always do.
Hell comes to Frogtown when, oh, put your top on.
Oh, no, no, no, no, put yourtop on.
(09:03):
So, like Gerard Butler, he doesa lot of weird big swings but
also he's kind of samey.
In a lot of his films he's theaction guy Like I mentioned over
text.
I have seen I forgot that I hadseen, but I have seen Den of
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Thieves, which I still need tosee.
It's okay.
I don't think you're gonna loveit.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I think there's a reason I didn't see it in the
first place right, exactly, butpeople love it people fucking
love that movie, which is why Ifeel like I need to see it yeah,
and you know what it's.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
For that reason it's worth it.
I think it's okay.
I don't think it's great.
I don't think it's whateverybody thinks it is.
I think there are likeeverybody who watches that.
I just go watch Heat instead,the Michael Mann movie.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well, maybe it's because they don't have three
and a half hours to watch Heat.
Maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That actually might be part of it.
But yeah, whatever.
I mean Gerard Butler's stuff isreally kind of samey.
He flips back and forth.
You know he has done a lot oflike sci-fi stuff, but it's
mostly sci-fi action, disasterstuff.
So I mean that's kind ofwhatever.
But like a lot of his stuff islike oh, I'm a drunk cop who
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cheats on his wife or whatever,and that's my role.
I mean he's done or whatever,and that's my role.
I mean he's done.
I've even watched recently acouple of like actual just
straight-up dramas that he'sdone, which sadly bored the shit
out of me.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But what's a straight-up drama.
He's done.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
He did one where his kid got cancer.
Fuck what is it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
A Family man.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, A Family man that's fucked up that.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I just like looked at his films family man, that's
fucked up that.
I just like looked at his filmslike, wow, that's the one.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's weird, that it .
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, it is the one that is the one I watched it
yesterday and it's like, yeah,it's okay, it's fine is there
one where he's like a ghost, oryou?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
might be thinking of Liam Neeson in high spirits.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm pretty sure there's one where he's a ghost
or, like his dad, would wait, isit PS?
I love you, is that?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh, we don't need any of PS.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I love you, yes a young widow discovers that her
late husband has left her 10messages intended to help ease
her pain and start a new life.
So he's like constantly likethere, but kind of in a ghostly
form, just like a memory.
Again it was like oh, he'sgonna be A leading man.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, yeah, because they did, they did.
They did try to insert him in alot of rom-coms early on too,
but I mean he just, first of allhe's bad at an american accent
so it never really hit and a lotof the movies he did were is
bad.
But you know, just like bronson, he did work constantly.
Gerard bartler works all thetime.
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He very rarely it seems turnsdown a role, because there will
be years where he puts out likethree movies a year, like he's
just always working and I getthat totally good for him.
But most of the roles are kindof the same and he is just kind
of an action guy who plays likeoh, I'm a cop, or I'm an ex-cop
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who's dirty, or I'm a crook oryou know what I mean like it's
all, I'm a cop who was a crook,who became a cop again or
whatever.
You know like I mean that's thatit's kind of jar of other.
But here's my real, here's myreal answer okay, all right
jason staith yeah, yeah yeah,and not just because he did the
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remake of the mechanic hey, some, I mean it's.
There's a reason that the thebruce willis fits so well too
yeah, I want yes, though I,though I think you and I both
agree bruce willis is not theguy.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, no, but I, I get, I think later career.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Bruce willis fell into that hole that jason
statham has just always been inyeah, well, and you know what
the sad part is sidebar about,about the bruce willis, is that
because he has dementia andapparently a lot of the movies
that he starred in, even goingback quite a while actually, he
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had no idea what was going on.
Whomever was managing him wasjust profiting off of.
Hey, I'm going to put BruceWillis in this movie, I'm going
to fly him in for one day torecord.
And Willis had no clue.
He could memorize his linessometimes, but like, apparently
he like there were certainmoments, like even right before
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the end of his like big chunk ofhis career, he like he would
have a gun and he was in a shotand he was supposed to like,
know, shoot at a certain time,and he would just randomly shoot
because he had no idea what washappening.
So like I think the late stageof his career is really hard to
judge because he wasn't evenconscious of it.
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He was like stan lee at the endof his life.
You know they were just proppinghim up, you know like, and
Bruce Willis very obviously, Imean, since he doesn't make
public appearances now, like,it's pretty clear that he's not.
You know, he doesn't know whatthe fuck's going on, and no, but
with Statham he is.
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He plays basically the samecharacter every time.
Yep, you know some the samecharacter every time.
Yep, you know some, you knowvariations on it.
It's not always the samecharacter, but it's always
basically the same character,even if, like, whatever plot,
you know demands, whatever, yeah, but he's always statham, but
there's never, there's neverstatham playing a character.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's, it's, here's jason stath in a film.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Sure, except except there are some movies because I
because after I went down thisrabbit hole I started watching a
bunch of Jason Statham filmsand then.
So I went through that wholerigmarole and, yeah, for the
most part he's just playingJason Statham.
There are roles where he'sdifferent because, like, like a
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lot of those roles, they are theWalter Hill hard times, you
know Bronson thing where he'slike he's not really a character
, he's more of like a force ofnature that moves throughout the
world or whatever.
But I watched a couple ofmovies with actually a lot of
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really good actors in it whereyou know, like he does have more
subtlety, he has more likenuance and stuff what were these
?
fuck, I watched one yesterdayactually and I don't remember
the name of it.
There's one where he's likewhere it's got the Giren, giren
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Guillen who is in, who wasLittlefinger in Game of Thrones.
He was the villain, he was a.
He was a serial cop killer.
It's a UK exclusive, like it wasshot and written, obviously,
all in the UK oh in that movie,like Statham plays a guy that's
like way more like nuanced thanhis normal characters not to say
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that he's likethree-dimensional, but more
substance than most of hischaracters, because they talk
about ptsd and like go out of away to say he's a homophobe in
modern times, which is likereally weird.
It's not even a good movienecessarily, but it's got a
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bunch of really good actors init and some really interesting
stuff.
But that's why he reminds me ofbronson.
Like bronson will play thesecharacters that you just go, oh,
he's all the same guy.
But then when you watch them,yeah, you'll agree with that.
But then every now and thenyou're like wait, no, yeah, he's
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playing the same guy, but he'snot.
He's doing something reallyinteresting here.
Or this movie is way more thanwhat we think it is, or his role
is more than we think it is, orhis role is more than we think
it is.
I have to.
I have to think honestly thatStatham is the modern Bronson.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Hmm, I think that's a good call.
I mean, obviously there's a youknow the, the next generation
of action stars kind of had toincorporate like a lot of
martial arts in there.
And then Statham is thegeneration after that.
So instead of like you know,I'm a tough guy, blammo, he's
like I'm a tough guy, kick andblammo.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
True, which is one of the reasons that I really liked
hard times was because, likethey don't rely on guns and they
don't rely on like obviously,obviously martial, modern
martial arts.
Even though it came out in inthe mid 70s, it's just two dudes
like doing straight up likefisticuffs, you know, like it's
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so real and raw that I think itworks on like every level.
I fucking love that movie.
It's.
It's a really good one, andcoburn, j James Coburn, is
fucking great in it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'm just going through all these Jason Statham
movies.
I've seen a lot of these.
This is surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right.
Isn't it weird that you've seenmore than you think?
I've even seen Beekeeper.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh yeah, Beekeeper's fun.
I've heard the Working man iseven better, supposedly
Beekeeper's fun.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've heard the working man is even better
supposedly Beekeeper's liketheir effects and their staging
and everything is really badthough.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, but I'm also watching the Beekeeper, so I
keep my expectations low.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, but even his work on Hobbs and Shaw is better
.
Hobbs and Shaw is not better.
Transporter.
The Transporter films I thinkis better.
Hobbs and Shaw is not betterTransporter.
The Transporter films I thinkare better.
Yeah, I just mean effects-wiseand everything, because, like,
there are moments where you'relike, oh those are digital
squibs and oh he's on a greenscreen instead of actually being
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where they are In beekeeper,you know, it's like it just
feels cheap, it feels low budget, it feels b movie, it looks b
movie I concur with those thingsyeah, but but like a lot of his
other movies don't do like.
He does have a lot of moviesthat don't look that way or feel
that way like, surprisingly,except for the one with jet lee
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where he's got that terriblefucking wig on the entire time,
which you're like, dude.
Just let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I think at that point he was like that was his.
I mean he'd been in the two GuyRitchie things and then which
he's great in.
I think I mean it probably.
I mean is Snatch still the bestfilm he's ever been in?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Unless you count Collateral.
But he's barely in Collateral.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, I mean Collateral is probably is that
Donner, that's Donner, rightCollateral.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
No, it's not Collateral.
Is Mann, am I right?
Yeah, michael Mann.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Is it Michael Mann?
Is man?
Am I right?
Yeah, michael man.
Is it michael man?
Is it michael?
I thought it was donner.
Either way, yeah, I mean, thatis, I think, objectively his
best movie, but you're right,he's not in it yeah, it's not
him, it's not his film no, it'snot.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's not a, you know, it's not a statham film or
anything I mean, I would haveforgotten he was even in it,
unless I saw him in the credits.
It's just like.
I mean it's you don't rememberjavier bardem being in that film
?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
you know right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like.
It's like in when you'rewatching fear and loathe of las
vegas, you're like, oh,christopher maloney's in this
one scene, oh yeah, we're likeoh toby mcguire oh, you totally
right you know, oh, christinarishi's in this.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, yeah it's, it's that kindof thing, yeah, but yeah, I
mean for a movie that kind offeatures him, yeah, that's
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probably.
That's probably his best film.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's honestly one of tom cruise's best film, I mean
as an actor yeah, I think youhave those, those swings where
they, like, they step outsidetheir comfort zone.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, and it can really, you know, boost who and
what they are which tom cruiseis one of those guys like we
talked about earlier where, likehe does not, he's it can really
, you know, boost who and whatthey are, which Tom Cruise is
one of those guys like we talkedabout earlier, where, like he
does not, he's just Tom Cruisein every movie, yeah, even in,
which is why Collateral sticksout, or his little bit in that
comedy, tropic Thunder.
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I was going to say that, yeah,yeah, but even that I feel like
he's just playing Tom Cruise ina fat suit.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Ah, yes, but at least it's different, at least it's a
little different.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least it's not just Tom Cruise
being Tom Cruise.
Yeah, but yeah, well, that's mypick.
I think Scream is the themodern, and not just because he
did remake a couple of Bronsonfilms.
He's filled that void, thatweird void that Bronson created
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in the 80s, that weird subset of80s action dudes that we have
talked about many times withSchwarzenegger and even Lundgren
and maybe even Chuck Norris.
You know like he fills that.
He fills that void Bronson doesuntil basically 1990.
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And then Statham just like isthat guy?
He's just like, he's thatsubset dude.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
He's a weird mix of the two in a way because, like
Bronson, had that like everymankind of quality that I think you
know that like every man kindof quality that I think you know
bruce willis kind of took thatball and ran with it and 100 led
to your liam neeson's and youryour keanu reeves's and stuff
like that john wick, for sure,yeah but statham still has that.
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Like you know, jean-claude vandamme meets bronson where it's's
like he's a little everyman-ishbut he's also a super athletic,
well-trained, not-your-normalguy.
So I think he has these filmswhere, like the Beekeeper or A
Working man, you know, or Wrathof man or something like that
where it's like.
Alright, you know he has thiseveryman-ish kind of quality and
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, you know, very toned downaffect, but also it's like he
could do martial arts thingsthat you know 1% of the populace
can do.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, that's true, and Bronson, like to his credit,
like was one of those weirdguys where he was like like
crazy cut and like like if you,he's only that.
I can remember he's only takenhis shirt off like a handful of
times in movies because notenough for me.
I'll tell you that he has shirtoff a bit more like the old
westerns, where he was a littleyounger oh, hopefully not that
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one where he plays the nativeamerican his shirt off is often
there, yeah, the whole time thewhole time.
I know, I know I that's, that'sa really bad but he's a good
looking dude?
Well, he's not, but like, like,I think for his body.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, we'll go kind of a can we call him a
butterface kind of kind of sure.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I think, if anybody, if anybody is, and one
of the reasons I love hard timesis because it's like one of the
only times he doesn't have amustache and his mustache is
notoriously terrible.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's terrible, yeah, but it's so terrible, like who's
gonna tell him he has a badmustache right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yes, exactly, he's gonna kick the shits that you
know I even don't talk about.
But like we wouldn't have bloodsport if it weren't for hard
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times, you know, or kick, orkickboxer, or lionheart
lionheart probably is the mostclose to Hard Times, but I mean,
like the difference in thosemovies is that In Hard Times
Bronson is just this likewandering Ronan, and in
Lionheart they try and make youcare more about that character's
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motivation.
You don't need that.
In Hard Times it's more abouteverybody around him, like
Coburn.
Lionheart and hard times areessentially the same movie, but
you don't root for the dude thatplays his corner man in
lionheart like you do for coburn.
Or well, I'm not gonna say rootfor hair about the dude that
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plays his corner man inlionheart as much as you do for
coburn in in hard times.
Even though they're almostidentical characters.
I mean they do the exact samebeats.
The all of the plot points areexactly the same.
The only things that aredifferent in lionheart is that
they add that whole thing abouthis like brother's wife and all
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that.
Other than that, it's the samemovie.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You know, if anything , maybe we might need to do a
twofer cast, a compare andcontrast, if it were A hard
heart.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
A double impact.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
A double team A lion times.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay, we've now created our own another new sub
podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Where we combine some movie with a Bronson film.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, it's better than doing it with Seagal, I
guess.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
No, I mean, I'd much rather go through.
I mean, like I've never seenHard Times, so Great movie,
great Walter Hill movie.
Well shot, well done it's likeI'd love to watch a good movie
for this podcast.
Generally, we only watch badthings.
Well, yeah, I know, so it'd befun to watch.
Like, all right, we watch HardTimes and Lionheart and, like
(26:42):
you know, yeah, Discuss them.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Actually, that would be fun.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Compare and contrast, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, that would actually be a fun time, one kind
of led to the other.
Yeah, that would be funactually, because then you could
do like Dark City and theMatrix or you know like you
could do.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You could do that, That'd be fun.
Or I mean you could even do aCabinet of Dr Caligari in Dark
City.
You know, it depends on, like,how far back you want to go or
what you want to do, howpretentious.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
you want to be what I don't, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Now I'm just going down a rabbit hole.
All right, what if we didAssassination Bronson and his
wife In the line of fire?
I was thinking Guarding Tesswith Nicolas Cage.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
We're coming from different places there.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
They're both dark comedies about protecting the
First Lady Sure, althoughNicolas Cage and Charles Bronson
are about as far apart as youcan get.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You know what, though that's a good angle, though,
because I don't think a lot ofpodcasts do that, so if we did
that, we might actually have acorner of market on an
interesting genre.
I think that's a very good idea, and I think we should write
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that down and and pursue that ofpairing a bronson film with a.
Well, just like one film toanother, you know, like what led
to this one, what this film ledto this one.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I think that's a greatidea.
I think that actually, I thinkthat actually might have some
traction.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
There is.
There's a podcast called thenext picture show and usually a
newer movie.
They always pair with like anolder movie.
That's similar or Okay, so kindof a similar idea, but they do
like one episode for each filmand then after the second
episode they kind of do a littlelike compare and contrast kind
of thing and whatnot Debriefyeah?
(28:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
For our thing, I think it works.
That's really interestingactually.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Oh shit, apparently Bronson and Mark Singer did a
film together of Jack London'sthe Seawolf.
What's the odds of this?
That's wild, that is great.
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
All right, well, we can, I'll put that there, man, I
had another thing I was gonnasay, but I can't remember it now
, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Okay, all right, you know what.
You know.
Who's not gonna worry about it?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
this guy yeah, no, you're not gonna at all, that's
fine.
Skip, I think you had a question for me.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, after going through his oeuvre and really
kind of re-evaluating Bronsonwho we have not mocked but
imitated many times, even thoughit's funny I noticed in almost
all of his films he has a lispand no one ever mentions it.
What are you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
going to bring that up to Bronson.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well, yeah, I'm not going to tell him to his face,
sure, but my question was who doyou think is the modern Charles
Bronson?
I think I know what my answeris.
Okay, I'm curious as to whatyou think.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I guess this is how we define what that is.
When I think of Charles Bronson, you know, you think of, I'd
say, kind of a shorter persona,a little bit timeless, acting
through gritted teeth in a way,you know, lots of like playing
the same character, somewhataction-based, but also somewhat
every man ish, you know, alsomaybe has like some weird films
(00:54):
thrown in there.
Which of those elements shouldI focus on in this particular
quandary?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
that's a good question, because when you say
those qualifiers, Iautomatically think Bruce Willis
, which is obviously the reasonthat they did the remake of
Death Wish with Bruce Willis,which is terrible.
But no, I don't think it's thatpersonally this weird simpatico
(01:21):
.
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Where you know we share the same existence at the
same time.
But sometimes it can be hard tofind that connection and I
wonder if I'm going todisappoint you by not naming who
you might think.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, you're not going to disappoint me either
way.
I don't know if we'll agreeright off the bat.
We can argue it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, there are three individuals that come to mind I
couldn't think of that many.
That's crazy okay we'll see ifany of these fit for you okay
okay, the first one comes tomind is tom hardy, interesting.
Okay, there's a consistentaction element.
He like his performances arenever generally that broad,
(02:06):
fairly not anti-emotional butsubsumed okay when you see his
face and you think of himspeaking, it's always kind of
like you know he's not reallyopening his mouth a lot.
It's kind of like that stonyexterior.
He also mixes in, again fairlyaction-based, but kind of these
weird projects every once in awhile, be it a Venom, in a way a
(02:29):
Locke, a Taboo TV show.
That's interesting, bronson,you know early in his career Boy
.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
The irony of him playing.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Bronson.
Another one that kind of cameto mind is Some of his Guy
Ritchie stuff I could see.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So I think this one fits the least, but it did pop
to my head was a Ryan Gosling.
Did you say Ryan Gosling?
Ryan Gosling, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now this kind of only sticks in my craw a bit in his
Nicholas Winding Refn years Surewhen it was that and like Ides
of March, again somewhat robotic, in a way charismatic, but an,
an unevocative charisma.
I think he's kind of like hisstuff before that and stuff
(03:18):
after that kind of disqualifieshim, but in that short period of
time that's kind of like top ofmy head.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So we're not getting, we're not considering Lars and
the real girl, then is whatyou're saying?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean, if it is well , lars, I mean it kind of fits a
little more in that, butprobably not, and it's tough.
Okay, maybe I'm a little bitangry white guy with a gun and a
chip on his shoulder held inthis frame of mind, but a Liam
(03:49):
Neeson, interesting the latterhalf of his career is very Death
Wish inspired, so I think I'mjust kind of conflating those
two personas into the same brainspace.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
There's nothing wrong with that.
I mean no, there's nothingwrong with that.
No, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't think any ofthose were what you were looking
for.
No, so I'm going to cede mytime, and because I could keep
coming up with things.
I mean, there's elements oflike a Josh Brolin, but he also
(04:33):
has some wild swings that don'tfit.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The senator has ceded his time.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I do not recall, mr Representative.
Okay, well, actually, you knowwhat?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
the Liam Neeson thing is?
I think great.
I do not recall, mrRepresentative.
Okay, well, actually you knowwhat the Liam Neeson thing is.
I think great.
I think that is a very goodalternative to my theory.
I think that is probably one ofthe better that I could
possibly think of.
He did kind of like pigeonholehimself into that type of role,
(05:07):
and I think, for good reason.
I mean well, actually I don'tknow, because I don't know why
he's that guy, Just like BruceWillis.
It was one of those thingswhere it was like, well, I don't
know why he's that guy, itshouldn't work, but it does.
Because of Die Hard now he's anaction star With Liam Neeson.
It's like with Taken now he'san action star Because Liam
Neeson didn't do shit like thatbefore that.
(05:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, I mean he had occasionals.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But Sure, but I mean he was more of the love actually
type actor before that.
You know what I mean.
Well, I mean he had likeplenty't those type.
Those weren't the Taken typearchetypes.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
No, no post-Taken.
And then you get the Grey andthen like the Commuter, and now
it's just a cookie cutter kindof vibe to all of his stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And don't forget, you had three Taken movies.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Oh, how could I possibly forget all three Taken
movies?
You know what I possibly forgetall three taken movies.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know what I?
I have seen all three.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I couldn't tell you what happens in most of them I
mean, I think I got the firstone down and the second one is
why because I think that's thefamke jansen gets kidnapped.
Does that sound right?
Three I have no recollection of.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I have, I don't , I have.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Is it his dog Does his dog get taken.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's his ferrets.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
His family, ferrets, gets taken.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Togo gets kidnapped, Wait Pogo and Kodo.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is that what?
No, Pogo and Kodo.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's one of the other reasons I wanted to talk
about action boys, which I knowyou'll never listen to, but it's
so funny to me because theyhave these running bits where
they just like us, where theycontinue over to other episodes
and they have this whole thing.
They started off with talkingabout how bad like chris pratt
is about, like apparently heproselytizes on set all the time
that doesn't surprise me at alllike like zachary, levi, you
know, and until I don't know howthey got to it, but like they
have all these reoccurringcharacters because they do a lot
(07:10):
of impressions, one of which isdar from from beastmaster,
which cracks me up every fuckingtime.
Yeah, one of the other ones isrobocop not not peter, weller
robocop, and then.
And so they always have thisrunning bit about how, because
it started in one episode abouthow, like what if robocop was in
(07:31):
jurassic world?
And he kept proselytizing torobocop who's like, look man,
I've got it covered.
Like leave me alone, like I amthe messiah figure, like I get
it.
Just I'm just trying to getstuff off of the food table,
leave me alone.
And we just insert Dar in thereconstantly Like, hey guys,
(07:55):
what's up?
You guys need anything done.
It's so fucking funny.
It just kills me Because that'sexactly what you and I would do
.
But I totally see the Liam Ne,what you and I would do.
But I totally see the LiamNeeson thing I do.
I think that's a really goodanswer.
But I have two.
One is, I think, a little weak.
(08:16):
The other one I think is, Ithink, dead on.
The weak one, I think, isGerard Butler.
Okay, I can looking throughbecause I've watched recently.
I've watched a lot of GerardButler movies, so 2B you are
poisoning your brain well, Iwatch a lot of 2B okay, 2b.
(08:38):
Their recommendations are sadlyspot on for the most part.
If I'm in a certain mood, oh,that's a.
That's another funnyreoccurring bit from Action Boys
they always do.
Hell comes to Frogtown when, oh, put your top on.
Oh, no, no, no, no, put yourtop on.
(09:03):
So, like Gerard Butler, he doesa lot of weird big swings but
also he's kind of samey.
In a lot of his films he's theaction guy Like I mentioned over
text.
I have seen I forgot that I hadseen, but I have seen Den of
(09:26):
Thieves, which I still need tosee.
It's okay.
I don't think you're gonna loveit.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I think there's a reason I didn't see it in the
first place right, exactly, butpeople love it people fucking
love that movie, which is why Ifeel like I need to see it yeah,
and you know what it's.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
For that reason it's worth it.
I think it's okay.
I don't think it's great.
I don't think it's whateverybody thinks it is.
I think there are likeeverybody who watches that.
I just go watch Heat instead,the Michael Mann movie.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well, maybe it's because they don't have three
and a half hours to watch Heat.
Maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That actually might be part of it.
But yeah, whatever.
I mean Gerard Butler's stuff isreally kind of samey.
He flips back and forth.
You know he has done a lot oflike sci-fi stuff, but it's
mostly sci-fi action, disasterstuff.
So I mean that's kind ofwhatever.
But like a lot of his stuff islike oh, I'm a drunk cop who
(10:25):
cheats on his wife or whatever,and that's my role.
I mean he's done or whatever,and that's my role.
I mean he's done.
I've even watched recently acouple of like actual just
straight-up dramas that he'sdone, which sadly bored the shit
out of me.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But what's a straight-up drama.
He's done.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
He did one where his kid got cancer.
Fuck what is it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
A Family man.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, A Family man that's fucked up that.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I just like looked at his films family man, that's
fucked up that.
I just like looked at his filmslike, wow, that's the one.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's weird, that it .
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, it is the one that is the one I watched it
yesterday and it's like, yeah,it's okay, it's fine is there
one where he's like a ghost, oryou?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
might be thinking of Liam Neeson in high spirits.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm pretty sure there's one where he's a ghost
or, like his dad, would wait, isit PS?
I love you, is that?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh, we don't need any of PS.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I love you, yes a young widow discovers that her
late husband has left her 10messages intended to help ease
her pain and start a new life.
So he's like constantly likethere, but kind of in a ghostly
form, just like a memory.
Again it was like oh, he'sgonna be A leading man.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, yeah, because they did, they did.
They did try to insert him in alot of rom-coms early on too,
but I mean he just, first of allhe's bad at an american accent
so it never really hit and a lotof the movies he did were is
bad.
But you know, just like bronson, he did work constantly.
Gerard bartler works all thetime.
(11:56):
He very rarely it seems turnsdown a role, because there will
be years where he puts out likethree movies a year, like he's
just always working and I getthat totally good for him.
But most of the roles are kindof the same and he is just kind
of an action guy who plays likeoh, I'm a cop, or I'm an ex-cop
(12:17):
who's dirty, or I'm a crook oryou know what I mean like it's
all, I'm a cop who was a crook,who became a cop again or
whatever.
You know like I mean that's thatit's kind of jar of other.
But here's my real, here's myreal answer okay, all right
jason staith yeah, yeah yeah,and not just because he did the
(12:40):
remake of the mechanic hey, some, I mean it's.
There's a reason that the thebruce willis fits so well too
yeah, I want yes, though I,though I think you and I both
agree bruce willis is not theguy.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, no, but I, I get, I think later career.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Bruce willis fell into that hole that jason
statham has just always been inyeah, well, and you know what
the sad part is sidebar about,about the bruce willis, is that
because he has dementia andapparently a lot of the movies
that he starred in, even goingback quite a while actually, he
(13:19):
had no idea what was going on.
Whomever was managing him wasjust profiting off of.
Hey, I'm going to put BruceWillis in this movie, I'm going
to fly him in for one day torecord.
And Willis had no clue.
He could memorize his linessometimes, but like, apparently
he like there were certainmoments, like even right before
(13:42):
the end of his like big chunk ofhis career, he like he would
have a gun and he was in a shotand he was supposed to like,
know, shoot at a certain time,and he would just randomly shoot
because he had no idea what washappening.
So like I think the late stageof his career is really hard to
judge because he wasn't evenconscious of it.
(14:04):
He was like stan lee at the endof his life.
You know they were just proppinghim up, you know like, and
Bruce Willis very obviously, Imean, since he doesn't make
public appearances now, like,it's pretty clear that he's not.
You know, he doesn't know whatthe fuck's going on, and no, but
with Statham he is.
(14:25):
He plays basically the samecharacter every time.
Yep, you know some the samecharacter every time.
Yep, you know some, you knowvariations on it.
It's not always the samecharacter, but it's always
basically the same character,even if, like, whatever plot,
you know demands, whatever, yeah, but he's always statham, but
there's never, there's neverstatham playing a character.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's, it's, here's jason stath in a film.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Sure, except except there are some movies because I
because after I went down thisrabbit hole I started watching a
bunch of Jason Statham filmsand then.
So I went through that wholerigmarole and, yeah, for the
most part he's just playingJason Statham.
There are roles where he'sdifferent because, like, like a
(15:11):
lot of those roles, they are theWalter Hill hard times, you
know Bronson thing where he'slike he's not really a character
, he's more of like a force ofnature that moves throughout the
world or whatever.
But I watched a couple ofmovies with actually a lot of
(15:32):
really good actors in it whereyou know, like he does have more
subtlety, he has more likenuance and stuff what were these
?
fuck, I watched one yesterdayactually and I don't remember
the name of it.
There's one where he's likewhere it's got the Giren, giren
(15:55):
Guillen who is in, who wasLittlefinger in Game of Thrones.
He was the villain, he was a.
He was a serial cop killer.
It's a UK exclusive, like it wasshot and written, obviously,
all in the UK oh in that movie,like Statham plays a guy that's
like way more like nuanced thanhis normal characters not to say
(16:17):
that he's likethree-dimensional, but more
substance than most of hischaracters, because they talk
about ptsd and like go out of away to say he's a homophobe in
modern times, which is likereally weird.
It's not even a good movienecessarily, but it's got a
(16:39):
bunch of really good actors init and some really interesting
stuff.
But that's why he reminds me ofbronson.
Like bronson will play thesecharacters that you just go, oh,
he's all the same guy.
But then when you watch them,yeah, you'll agree with that.
But then every now and thenyou're like wait, no, yeah, he's
(17:00):
playing the same guy, but he'snot.
He's doing something reallyinteresting here.
Or this movie is way more thanwhat we think it is, or his role
is more than we think it is, orhis role is more than we think
it is.
I have to.
I have to think honestly thatStatham is the modern Bronson.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Hmm, I think that's a good call.
I mean, obviously there's a youknow the, the next generation
of action stars kind of had toincorporate like a lot of
martial arts in there.
And then Statham is thegeneration after that.
So instead of like you know,I'm a tough guy, blammo, he's
like I'm a tough guy, kick andblammo.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
True, which is one of the reasons that I really liked
hard times was because, likethey don't rely on guns and they
don't rely on like obviously,obviously martial, modern
martial arts.
Even though it came out in inthe mid 70s, it's just two dudes
like doing straight up likefisticuffs, you know, like it's
(18:03):
so real and raw that I think itworks on like every level.
I fucking love that movie.
It's.
It's a really good one, andcoburn, j James Coburn, is
fucking great in it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'm just going through all these Jason Statham
movies.
I've seen a lot of these.
This is surprising to me.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right.
Isn't it weird that you've seenmore than you think?
I've even seen Beekeeper.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh yeah, Beekeeper's fun.
I've heard the Working man iseven better, supposedly
Beekeeper's fun.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've heard the working man is even better
supposedly Beekeeper's liketheir effects and their staging
and everything is really badthough.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, but I'm also watching the Beekeeper, so I
keep my expectations low.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, but even his work on Hobbs and Shaw is better
.
Hobbs and Shaw is not better.
Transporter.
The Transporter films I thinkis better.
Hobbs and Shaw is not betterTransporter.
The Transporter films I thinkare better.
Yeah, I just mean effects-wiseand everything, because, like,
there are moments where you'relike, oh those are digital
squibs and oh he's on a greenscreen instead of actually being
(19:06):
where they are In beekeeper,you know, it's like it just
feels cheap, it feels low budget, it feels b movie, it looks b
movie I concur with those thingsyeah, but but like a lot of his
other movies don't do like.
He does have a lot of moviesthat don't look that way or feel
that way like, surprisingly,except for the one with jet lee
(19:31):
where he's got that terriblefucking wig on the entire time,
which you're like, dude.
Just let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I think at that point he was like that was his.
I mean he'd been in the two GuyRitchie things and then which
he's great in.
I think I mean it probably.
I mean is Snatch still the bestfilm he's ever been in?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Unless you count Collateral.
But he's barely in Collateral.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, I mean Collateral is probably is that
Donner, that's Donner, rightCollateral.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
No, it's not Collateral.
Is Mann, am I right?
Yeah, michael Mann.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Is it Michael Mann?
Is man?
Am I right?
Yeah, michael man.
Is it michael man?
Is it michael?
I thought it was donner.
Either way, yeah, I mean, thatis, I think, objectively his
best movie, but you're right,he's not in it yeah, it's not
him, it's not his film no, it'snot.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's not a, you know, it's not a statham film or
anything I mean, I would haveforgotten he was even in it,
unless I saw him in the credits.
It's just like.
I mean it's you don't rememberjavier bardem being in that film
?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
you know right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like.
It's like in when you'rewatching fear and loathe of las
vegas, you're like, oh,christopher maloney's in this
one scene, oh yeah, we're likeoh toby mcguire oh, you totally
right you know, oh, christinarishi's in this.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, yeah it's, it's that kindof thing, yeah, but yeah, I
mean for a movie that kind offeatures him, yeah, that's
(20:54):
probably.
That's probably his best film.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's honestly one of tom cruise's best film, I mean
as an actor yeah, I think youhave those, those swings where
they, like, they step outsidetheir comfort zone.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, and it can really, you know, boost who and
what they are which tom cruiseis one of those guys like we
talked about earlier where, likehe does not, he's it can really
, you know, boost who and whatthey are, which Tom Cruise is
one of those guys like we talkedabout earlier, where, like he
does not, he's just Tom Cruisein every movie, yeah, even in,
which is why Collateral sticksout, or his little bit in that
comedy, tropic Thunder.
(21:28):
I was going to say that, yeah,yeah, but even that I feel like
he's just playing Tom Cruise ina fat suit.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Ah, yes, but at least it's different, at least it's a
little different.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least it's not just Tom Cruise
being Tom Cruise.
Yeah, but yeah, well, that's mypick.
I think Scream is the themodern, and not just because he
did remake a couple of Bronsonfilms.
He's filled that void, thatweird void that Bronson created
(21:58):
in the 80s, that weird subset of80s action dudes that we have
talked about many times withSchwarzenegger and even Lundgren
and maybe even Chuck Norris.
You know like he fills that.
He fills that void Bronson doesuntil basically 1990.
(22:20):
And then Statham just like isthat guy?
He's just like, he's thatsubset dude.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
He's a weird mix of the two in a way because, like
Bronson, had that like everymankind of quality that I think you
know that like every man kindof quality that I think you know
bruce willis kind of took thatball and ran with it and 100 led
to your liam neeson's and youryour keanu reeves's and stuff
like that john wick, for sure,yeah but statham still has that.
(22:46):
Like you know, jean-claude vandamme meets bronson where it's's
like he's a little everyman-ishbut he's also a super athletic,
well-trained, not-your-normalguy.
So I think he has these filmswhere, like the Beekeeper or A
Working man, you know, or Wrathof man or something like that
where it's like.
Alright, you know he has thiseveryman-ish kind of quality and
(23:11):
, you know, very toned downaffect, but also it's like he
could do martial arts thingsthat you know 1% of the populace
can do.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, that's true, and Bronson, like to his credit,
like was one of those weirdguys where he was like like
crazy cut and like like if you,he's only that.
I can remember he's only takenhis shirt off like a handful of
times in movies because notenough for me.
I'll tell you that he has shirtoff a bit more like the old
westerns, where he was a littleyounger oh, hopefully not that
(23:45):
one where he plays the nativeamerican his shirt off is often
there, yeah, the whole time thewhole time.
I know, I know I that's, that'sa really bad but he's a good
looking dude?
Well, he's not, but like, like,I think for his body.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, we'll go kind of a can we call him a
butterface kind of kind of sure.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I think, if anybody, if anybody is, and one
of the reasons I love hard timesis because it's like one of the
only times he doesn't have amustache and his mustache is
notoriously terrible.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's terrible, yeah, but it's so terrible, like who's
gonna tell him he has a badmustache right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yes, exactly, he's gonna kick the shits that you
know I even don't talk about.
But like we wouldn't have bloodsport if it weren't for hard
(24:44):
times, you know, or kick, orkickboxer, or lionheart
lionheart probably is the mostclose to Hard Times, but I mean,
like the difference in thosemovies is that In Hard Times
Bronson is just this likewandering Ronan, and in
Lionheart they try and make youcare more about that character's
(25:06):
motivation.
You don't need that.
In Hard Times it's more abouteverybody around him, like
Coburn.
Lionheart and hard times areessentially the same movie, but
you don't root for the dude thatplays his corner man in
lionheart like you do for coburn.
Or well, I'm not gonna say rootfor hair about the dude that
(25:26):
plays his corner man inlionheart as much as you do for
coburn in in hard times.
Even though they're almostidentical characters.
I mean they do the exact samebeats.
The all of the plot points areexactly the same.
The only things that aredifferent in lionheart is that
they add that whole thing abouthis like brother's wife and all
(25:47):
that.
Other than that, it's the samemovie.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You know, if anything , maybe we might need to do a
twofer cast, a compare andcontrast, if it were A hard
heart.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
A double impact.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
A double team A lion times.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay, we've now created our own another new sub
podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Where we combine some movie with a Bronson film.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, it's better than doing it with Seagal, I
guess.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
No, I mean, I'd much rather go through.
I mean, like I've never seenHard Times, so Great movie,
great Walter Hill movie.
Well shot, well done it's likeI'd love to watch a good movie
for this podcast.
Generally, we only watch badthings.
Well, yeah, I know, so it'd befun to watch.
Like, all right, we watch HardTimes and Lionheart and, like
(26:42):
you know, yeah, Discuss them.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Actually, that would be fun.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Compare and contrast, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, that would actually be a fun time, one kind
of led to the other.
Yeah, that would be funactually, because then you could
do like Dark City and theMatrix or you know like you
could do.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You could do that, That'd be fun.
Or I mean you could even do aCabinet of Dr Caligari in Dark
City.
You know, it depends on, like,how far back you want to go or
what you want to do, howpretentious.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
you want to be what I don't, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Now I'm just going down a rabbit hole.
All right, what if we didAssassination Bronson and his
wife In the line of fire?
I was thinking Guarding Tesswith Nicolas Cage.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
We're coming from different places there.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
They're both dark comedies about protecting the
First Lady Sure, althoughNicolas Cage and Charles Bronson
are about as far apart as youcan get.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You know what, though that's a good angle, though,
because I don't think a lot ofpodcasts do that, so if we did
that, we might actually have acorner of market on an
interesting genre.
I think that's a very good idea, and I think we should write
(28:00):
that down and and pursue that ofpairing a bronson film with a.
Well, just like one film toanother, you know, like what led
to this one, what this film ledto this one.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I think that's a greatidea.
I think that actually, I thinkthat actually might have some
traction.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
There is.
There's a podcast called thenext picture show and usually a
newer movie.
They always pair with like anolder movie.
That's similar or Okay, so kindof a similar idea, but they do
like one episode for each filmand then after the second
episode they kind of do a littlelike compare and contrast kind
of thing and whatnot Debriefyeah?
(28:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
For our thing, I think it works.
That's really interestingactually.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Oh shit, apparently Bronson and Mark Singer did a
film together of Jack London'sthe Seawolf.
What's the odds of this?
That's wild, that is great.
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
All right, well, we can, I'll put that there, man, I
had another thing I was gonnasay, but I can't remember it now
, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Okay, all right, you know what.
You know.
Who's not gonna worry about it?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
this guy yeah, no, you're not gonna at all, that's
fine.
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