November 27, 2025 • 50 mins
A cabin shakes in the night, boulders slam the walls, and a furry arm reaches for an axe—a century-old story that still echoes through American folklore. Today we go Squatchin' with Sunbow.
From that 1924 Ape Canyon account to the grainy stride of the Patterson–Gimlin film, we chase the moments that turned Bigfoot from campfire whisper to cultural touchstone, and ask why those 39 seconds won’t let go of us. Along the way, headlines get loud, memories get mythic, and the wilderness does what it does best: hide things in plain sight.
We follow the thread into modern mysticism with Sunbow True Brother, whose journey through ceremonies, rainbow gatherings, and channeling Elder Kamooh reframes Sasquatch as interdimensional caretakers and “elder brothers.” There’s an earnest environmental ethic in that message—heart-centered community, spiritual ecology, and a plea to protect the land. But we also test the edges: where does synthesis become appropriation, and when does a powerful story outpace the consent and context it borrows? Belief can inspire action, yet it still deserves scrutiny.
Then comes the lab coat chapter: the Sasquatch Genome Project, half a million dollars, contested samples, and bold claims of human-adjacent DNA. We unpack the methods, the peer-review pitfalls, and why starting with a conclusion is a trap for any field that calls itself science. Conspiracies swirl—international committees, embassy memos, missing artifacts—and we draw a line between healthy skepticism and a worldview where secrecy explains every gap. It’s possible to love mysteries and still demand evidence; it’s possible to hold wonder without surrendering judgment.
What emerges is a portrait of Bigfoot as a mirror. Frontier fear, cinematic proof, ecological longing, and the constant tug-of-war between curiosity and certainty all live here. If you’ve ever paused on that famous frame and felt the hair on your neck lift, this conversation meets you there—offering context, caution, and a few good laughs. Hit play, bring your questions, and tell us where you land. If this journey sparks your brain, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more curious minds find the show.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
It started 2014 when I came out west.
For the first time I went towhere my native ancestors come
from in northern Saskatchewan.
And I heard a story about mygreat-great grandfather when he
was about eight.
Him and his twin brother werefound in the wilderness in the
Northwest Territories by someCree rappers.
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They were living in a hut ofbranches, wearing rawhide,
eating bugs and roots, and theydidn't speak any human language.
When I asked about that story tomy cousin, she said we have
Sasquatch in the family.
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We have a mind, but it's just anantenna.
Consciousness is beyond physicaland linear time.
So this is what we have to tapinto understand all the
different aspects of our beingand of the universe around us.
SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
Are they in the proper approach pattern for
today?
SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
Negative.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Or if you're a little person who could talk
backwards.
Welcome back to Dispatch Ajax.
Uh I'm Skip.
SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
I am true brother Jake.
I am uh Zenu.
Welcome to the pod.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
I'm Xeno, destroyer of worlds.
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I am Xeno.
I make fax machines and copiers.
They none of them arefunctioning.
None of the toner is ever instock.
But we hope you've enjoyed yourpurchase.
And feel free to like, share,and subscribe.
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
We are Neo Zizians now.
It's already been rebooted.
Oh man, I in the multiverse.
I can't ever keep up with thisstuff.
You know, these kids today.
When we were younger, BranchDividians took a while, right?
Jonestown took a long time tobuild.
You know, even Manson took abit.
But now, Zizians, you come youyou're in and out.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
No, nobody's even buying the same shoes and
cutting off their genitals.
Come on now.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Yeah, come on, lazy fuckers.
So we're gonna go on a journeyright now, and it's gonna be a
sec.
So we'll see how far we can getinto this before we turn into
Sam Neil from In the Mouth ofMadness at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Kids, put your shoes on, get your backpacks ready,
make sure your mom packed yourlunch because we are going on a
journey.
Yeah, get your bug out bag readybecause uh Oh, unfortunately
it's necessary.
SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Get your Luigi Mangioni backpack armed and
ready.
We're going somewhere weird.
SPEAKER_01 (03:14):
Get your copy of the road and uh read up on what's uh
what's in coming for us all.
SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
Get your copies of the road and on the road.
So we're gonna start out righthere.
Ape Canyon is a gorge along theedge of the plains of Abraham on
the southeast shoulder of MountSt.
Helens in the state ofWashington.
In the summer of 1924,hardworking miners, according to
them, self-professed hardworkingminers, came across strange
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animals in the wilderness.
So, obviously, they startedshooting at them.
Yeah.
Well, it's America, you know?
I mean the gun was right there.
I was claiming it when it wentoff.
And when one of the group shotone of the animals with a rifle,
he hit it three times.
And then they all saw thewounded animal topple off a
cliff into what is described asan inaccessible canyon.
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Now, later that evening, theywere savagely attacked in the
middle of the night by unknownassailants.
The wooden frame of their cabinshook violently, its door was
rattling, and it was pelted withgigantic rocks, which they
described as boulders.
At one point a huge fur coveredarm reached in through the
window and grabbed at an axethat one of the miners had left
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on the table.
The men took aim and firedeverything they had.
Their guns, right?
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Not their nocturnal emissions.
SPEAKER_00 (04:33):
There was no it was no skate shoes.
There's so much emerticism goingon here.
Fortunately, these miners didlive, but they would be forever
changed.
Now, what I'm gonna do right nowis I am going to send you a
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newspaper picture from this era.
Wait, what's a newspaper?
Let's see here.
There we go.
Mountain Devil!
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
Uh notice some of the headlines in the image here.
Oh, okay.
Oh, all right.
Helso Mines.
Why why why am I doing like thesouthern accent?
I don't need that.
I I don't know, they're inWashington.
I don't know.
I don't know.
What's a Washingtonian accent?
Uh it's kind of Canadian.
Okay.
Kelso Mines back with the taleof uh Mountain Devils, eh?
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Oh, uh it's not that Canadian.
Let me let me tone Gorilla Men,rare Indians fail to get their
souls?
Yeah.
Mountain Devil's talk of minersis unshaken.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
So these men claim, based on their account, that
they were attacked by some sortof strange creatures that were
humanoid, covered with fur, andviolent.
Though they did, I don't know,shoot at them and kill one of
their brethren or what have you.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Um I mean, that's supposed to be a problem.
Whenever us as white peopleencounter something we don't
know, especially a hominid thatseems to be similar to us in any
way, shape, or form, obviouslywe need to kill them first.
Ask questions later.
You have to.
Have to.
Have to.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
That's what we've done our entire existence.
That is literally true.
Yep.
It's like that Mr.
Showskit when they were like, wewere shooting at them first and
they shot back.
Why?
So let's fast forward.
In 1967, Roger Patterson andRobert Gimlin, two former rodeo
savants.
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
A term that's never been used before in all of human
history.
SPEAKER_00 (06:39):
No, I'll coin that one.
I'll trademark it.
How about that?
Rodeo savant.
Bon vivant rodeo savant.
And also amateur boxers made anironic little movie.
Maybe you've heard of it.
Okay, maybe the second most seenamateur film ever made.
So this film was shot on a 16mmCine Kodak K-100 with a mobile
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grip handle at 24 frames persecond.
The footage was shot in 1967 inNorthern California along Bluff
Creek, a tributary of theKlamath River, which I've been
on.
About 25 logging road milesnorthwest of Orleans,
California, in Del Norte County,Six Rivers National Forest.
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The film is roughly 38 milessouth of California and 18 miles
east of the Pacific Ocean, justto put it in context.
And now these areas are verydifficult to get to because it's
really hard to if you want toget to the coast, even though
you're like really close to thecoast, there's a mountain range
in the way.
So you have to go down andaround to get to it.
So this is a very remote area.
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And so for decades, the exactlocation of this site was lost.
A lot of it was because ofregrowth of foliage in the
stream bed after a flood thathappened in 1964.
It wasn't even rediscovered byhuman beings until 2011.
It's just south of anorth-running segment of the
creek, informally known as thebowling alley, where the dew
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divides.
710 split.
So originally in May or June1967, Patterson began filming a
docudrama, or I guess you couldsay a pseudo-documentary, about
cowboys led by an old miner, anold prospector, old rickety
shits, old pickle chutes, and awise Indian tracker on the hunt
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for a legendary creature.
The story called for Patterson,his Indian guide, who by the way
was just Gimlin in a wig, andthe cowboys to recall in
flashbacks the stories of one ofthe miners from the 1924 Ape
Canyon incident.
And then others as they, youknow, encountered them along the
trail.
For actors and cameramen,Patterson used at least nine
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volunteer acquaintances,including Gimlin and a guy named
Bob Hieronymus, which is anawesome name.
That is an awesome name.
For three days of shooting,expected at least over the
Memorial Day weekend.
So in 1967, Patterson and hisfriend Ginlin set out for the
Six Rivers National Forest.
They drove in Gimlin's truckcarrying his provisions and
three horses positionedsideways, which is awful.
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Patterson chose the area becauseof intermittent reports of these
supposed legendary creatures inthe past, and people have
discovered their footprintssince 1958.
His familiarity with the areaand its residents, he thought it
was achievable, essentially.
But what they managed to shootwas not this pseudo-documentary.
What they shot was, indeed, aSasquatch, an American Yeti
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Bigfoot.
An ape man.
Or an ape man.
The word Sasquatch from theSistales people who have called
Canada home for tens ofthousands of years is an
anglicized version of their wordsasquets, which is used to
describe caretakers who watchover the land.
This film shows 952 frames ofBigfoot, which subsequently has
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been nicknamed Patty.
It amounted to approximately39.7 seconds of footage.
Now, if you've ever seen this,which almost everyone has, it's
the most iconic Bigfoot thingever, just even imagery-wise, it
is interesting and it iscompelling.
Especially since it's 1967, howdo you have costume technology
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and the special effects makeuptechnology to be able to create
this?
You know, and then peopledebated about the way that it
moves organically, seemsnatural, doesn't seem
human-like, it actually doesn'tseem like a guy in a suit.
Even though there were rumorsthat special effects makeup
wizard John Chambers created asuit that was used in the film
as a hoax.
Now both the filmmakers andChambers denied this.
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But the most surprising thingabout the film is that it's
never been really trulydebunked.
I mean, people doubt it, andpeople have come out and said I
was there or I talked to thedude or whatever.
I mean, but it's never actuallybeen officially discredited.
Even though, before he died,costume manufacturer Philip
Morris gave talks about how hesold Roger Patterson the suit
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seen on the film.
One of his talks featuredexamples of the faked Bigfoot,
and that was featured on thetravel channels making monsters.
We're gonna fast forward again.
Born in Montreal in aFrench-Canadian family, Sunbow
True Brother, whose real name hesays is irrelevant, found
inspiration in the PattersonGimlin film.
Quote, Well, it is a story ofmany lifetimes that began in my
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late childhood and preteens withthe Patterson footage.
My first experience wasSasquatch, I was 17 years old,
young and supple like a fawn.
In the region of BritishColumbia called Chihalis, it was
the beginning of my journey toconnect with the Sasquatch and
indigenous elders, whom I havetraveled to learn with for the
last 40 years, during which Ihave had many sightings and
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experiences.
So that's who we're talkingabout today.
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
So just I know a little bit of what we're going
to talk about.
And it's interesting that Iremember seeing the Patterson
Gimlin footage as a child, alongwith many other pictures and
photographs and video footage ofdifferent paranormal phenomena,
and I was always fascinated.
But it seems to be uh certaininflection points that can
change the path of your life.
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Like I could have seen this andchosen the left, you know, and
gone somewhere completelydifferent.
Am I that different from aSunbow True Brother?
Could I have been one of theelders?
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
You're a Robert Frost poem away from being a
different person.
Fine lines.
It's life in the margins, myfriend.
That's sliding doors.
So Sunbow True Brother, who doeskeep his real name close to the
chest, close to the vest, sorry.
Close to the hairy chest.
Which is funny.
That's actually a thing I cutout of this, is that one of the
arguments about why it didn'tmake sense that Susquatch looked
the way it did was because inthe second Planet of the Apes
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movie, there's a scene wherethey're in a sauna and they're
like bare chested, whichwouldn't happen.
And it kind of looked like theway that Patty looked in that
footage.
So they assumed that they coulduse the same technology that
they used in Planet of the Apesto make a costume.
But at the same time, I findthat a little dubious only
because Planet of the Apes hadjust come out.
That was innovative costumingtechnology, to the extent where
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the guy that created that, whoalso created a bunch of Star
Trek makeup, was employed by theCIA to help hide uh CIA agents
overseas during, I don't know,to watch Argo.
SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
I mean it it's you dress them up as you dress them
much as Bigfoot and then yousend them other places and
they're they blend into thenatural surroundings and the you
know it's easy peasy them andsqueezy.
You get married to the sixmillion dollar man.
It's the oldest story.
Name a better plot, okay?
That is the pinnacle ofsubterfuge and it's really what
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our whole Intel infrastructureis based on, right there.
SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, Co Intel Pro, ProjectMockingbird.
It's all about Sasquatch.
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
The Iran Sasquatch affair, I think is how they the
Sasquatch Contra.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Why do you think Ollie North went to prison?
Spurned.
Spurned of Sasquatch love.
SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
Spurned.
It's just theory.
We're working on it still.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
And as much as it would be fun to do an entire
thing on Sasquatch, there's somuch lore and weirdness out
there that there's no way wecould do it in any reasonable
time.
And I include there are storiesof dudes that encountered a
Sasquatch family and encounteredtheir females, and the females
wanted to mate with him, andlike literally stuff we're
joking about, they've actuallysaid is true.
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Oh, yeah, there's a lot of weirdSasquatch stories.
And some of it isn't incredible.
I don't know that that's whathappened, because there's that
one dude who went through thatthing where he camped out and he
got attacked by a Sasquatchfamily and he got kidnapped, and
then by the time he was finallyreturned, his hair had turned
completely white in reality.
So something happened to thatdude.
(14:54):
I but was it Sasquatch?
I couldn't tell you.
Especially since the Sasquatchlore hasn't really existed for
very long.
You know, relatively.
The 1924 Ape Men attack was onlysort of rolled into Sasquatch
lore after the Patterson Gimlinfilm.
There were other situations,like, for instance, and I didn't
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know this existed until today,was the International Committee
for the Study of the Human-likehairy bipeds, which was formed
on the initiative of ProfessorCarato Gini, president of the
International Institute ofSociology, for the purpose of
studying and exchanginginformation about the alleged
they called them snowmen andother hairy bipeds.
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They claim that still littleknown to science about which
ancient documents and recenttestimony are becoming ever more
abundant.
So this dude was actually fromItaly, and this was this weird
international think tank thathad actual scientists behind it.
Well, one of which was Dr.
A.A.
Smakov.
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So be people from Russia,Germany, Italy, the United
States, Canada.
An international affair.
Truly international.
Let's see, Dr.
Marka Burns of Leeds University,some of which may be credible,
created the society to figureout if this was real or not.
And this is like right beforethe Patterson Gimblin film.
Because of internationalsightings of what we would call
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Sasquatch, they would call Yetior Snowman.
And then, of course, there's theDiatlav Pass incident, where one
of the last photos taken on therole of film ever exposed was of
a weird, mysterious, tallcreature, and and one of the
last things ever mentioned byone of the people is that at
last we know now that thesnowmen are real.
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So, that having been said,Sunbro True Brother, in his sort
of treatise, which he has many,claims that the first native,
when he says native, he eithermeans indigenous or first
peoples, because he's Canadian,but also claims to know a lot
about native tribes, but doesn'tseem to understand them or how
to refer to them.
The first native quote-unquotelegend he ever heard was when he
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was eight years old from hisbrother, who had heard it in a
summer camp about the Wauloo,which were essentially the hairy
forest people, as they'rereferred to in the state of
Maine.
He claims he had never heard theword Sasquatch yet, but it was
only a few years later that hesaw the Patterson Gimlin film.
He then went on to read Chariotsof the Gods by Von Daniken,
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which, man, we should probablydo a thing on that.
And then his brain slowlystarted to crack.
Or expand.
Either way, it came wide open.
That's when he he began hisinterest in star people, and
according to him, hiddenarchaeology and the paranormal,
which he could have just ledwith that, but whatever.
So before he turned 17, he tookhis first tour of Turtle Island,
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which became a pilgrimage insearch of spiritual
understanding.
He claims through religiousexploration, churches, temples,
ashrams, and connections withwhat he uses in all caps, Mother
Nature.
That fall, he claims that amedicine man, end quotes,
instructed him on how to do avision quest, during which he
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experienced his first spiritguide.
He said he didn't know what washappening, but he felt deeply
that native ancestral teachingsheld many answers.
So that following summer, hewent to his first rainbow
gathering.
There she is.
What Ratel is a rainbowgathering?
Yeah, so it's a little difficultto describe.
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Think of this burning man, butmore esoteric and harder to find
and constantly shifting.
If you do it, you already haveto know where it's gonna be.
You have to know somebody whoknows somebody to get there.
You don't buy tickets.
It's essentially what a burn is,which a burn is they're
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basically just outdoorfestivals, right?
It's sometimes they're musicallyinclined, sometimes they're just
people meeting out in the woodsand hanging out and talking
about how much you knowcorporate America sucks, and
then doing like pagan rituals oror whatever.
Uh, but it gets pretty intensewith rainbow festivals.
I mean, they're very I'veencountered because there was
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one in Colombia once, and Iencountered a guy who went to
one.
This dude, I was I was in someshop, and this guy walks in, and
he's like, I don't know,probably like 6'1, 6'2, older
dude, gray beard, wearing acrown of elk antlers, and not
wearing a whole lot.
I like what you told me so for,all right.
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And a giant walking staff, uh,with with like charms.
Is that what we're gonna callit?
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
Uh a walking staff?
All right, wink, wink, nudge,nudge.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
Not a lot else you can call it, because that's
literally what it was.
Because his junk was pretty muchhanging out anyway.
So, like, there were there's nothere's no innuendo there,
essentially.
SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
I live by innuendo, sir.
Do not take that away from me.
It is the air with which Ibreathe.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
My father used to say, out your door and innuendo.
It is very much like a burn or asome sort of outdoor festival
that that we're kind of likeexperience with now, but much
more intense and much moresincere, and much less sort of
like involved with capitalism ormodern society.
It's like a speakeasy.
SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
A little bit.
Well, I mean, just in the waythat you like, you need to yeah.
No, I mean it's like it's it's alittle more secretive.
You have to be in the know tolike get the invite, and then so
that was a big game changer forhim.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
And so over the next nearly four decades, he claims
to have traveled through 20countries in the Americas and
Western Europe, and he goes on adiatribe about this a lot in one
of his many websites and booksand blogs, where he says things
like, I was blessed to sit andlearn, receive teachings, and
take part in ceremonies withmany elders from several native
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nations, including Hopi, Dine,Navajo, Apache, Anashabi,
Algonquin, Cree, Metis, Ojabwe,Atem Atatakamek, Abnaki, Mikmac,
Malasset, Inu, Inuwit, Wapanog,Mohawk, Kyoga, in his what he
calls his abbreviated biography,goes on for another five
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paragraphs of nations and tribesthat he supposedly studied with,
interacted with.
And then at the end goes, I alsostudied and learned from other
spiritual teachings like theVedic scriptures.
End of thought, I guess.
Well, never mind.
He then he goes on to say thatfrom the Lakota that he did a
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sweat lodge with a man namedSalo Blackcrow, who he says
brought back the sun dance.
I'm not exactly sure what hemeans by that.
Then he went to a place calledPine Ridge where a guy named
David Swallow invited me to putOkay, alright, hold on.
I'm gonna put this in quote,make sure we highlight the
horrible way that he wrote this.
Because this is actually fromhis blog.
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You're gonna like this.
David Swallow invited me to putup my teepee and join in the
ceremony.
But sadly, my traveling partnershad no time, so I gave him an
earth flag.
Is that like the reversefrogman?
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Or is that I I used my hairy palms to give him an
earth flag.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
I did I gave the underside a little how's your
father?
He gave me an earth flag.
Oh boy.
He's he's written a bunch ofbooks, and almost every single
one of these, it's rife withmisspellings and grammatical
errors.
So that's a thing.
So then in 1994, he joined whathe called ceremonies at an event
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called World Unity, which wasnear Grand Canyon, and at the
ceremony uh at the celebrationon Barnaby Mountain for stopping
a pipeline, which is cool, andat the spring for the
International IndigenousGathering in Lilowit, where he
sat in the circle of pipecarriers who carried Crazy
Horse's sacred pipe.
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That was not bad.
At least I think it sounded goodto me.
He claims that he was allowed tocarry this pipe to different
ceremonies, and he claims thatin this specific ceremony, I
don't know if he added it to thepipe itself or like to some sort
of burn of some sacred objectsor whatever.
He's not very clear about it,but he says to have added some
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hair from a white bison she calfnamed Prophecy, born in Quebec
in 2005.
Okay.
Okay, right.
So now we're back to about 2007.
He talks about how manydifferent cultural groups he
studied with, religiousorganizations he studied with.
He claims to have been adoptedinto several indigenous tribes
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in North America, some of whichI think is true, some of which I
think is either not true or theywere just trying to get him out
of the door.
Like, yeah, great, cool.
The really important thing thathe gets to, we'll get to in a
second.
Timeline-wise, let's skip aheadagain.
Let's go all the way to 2013.
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Dr.
Melba Ketchum and her colleaguespublished a paper in the journal
De Nova Accelerating Science, inwhich they claimed they had
sequenced genes from a creatureunknown to science, which they
named Homo sapiens cognatus.
This became what is known as theSasquatch Genome Project.
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Science.
SPEAKER_01 (24:41):
Actual science.
Well, we'll just go withscience.
I don't know if we need theactual, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
So the Sasquatch Genome Project isn't just about
being in the lab and doing thetests like you think, right?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
They do all the work, they dofield studies, they take
pictures and release themonline.
Uh it's a five-year study thatcost$500,000 that was funded by
a businessman named AdrianErickson.
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Now he said that he encounteredSasquatch-like creatures and
that he has the photos and thescience to back their existence.
But he also went out of his wayto be like, I get it.
Quote, people have chosen not tobelieve it.
They can't find it in theirminds that these things exist.
So he wanted a credible platformto document this in real
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science.
Now, the problem with a lot ofthis is it's really hard to do
credible science if you startout with a premise where you
already have an unshaken beliefin something that isn't proven
to be real.
I mean, isn't that kind of thepremise of science?
So now you're working hard toprove that it is.
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
You don't want to back engineer your science.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Exactly.
That's the opposite of howscience works.
This creature does not followgeneral rule, says Dr.
Ketchup.
And it is spelled like you wouldthink, ketchup.
What it does do is verydifferent.
We think it is a human hybrid,that's our theory.
Okay, we've already got someproblems here.
You want to create a scientificmethod and sort of some sort of
society.
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They genuinely tried to publishreal scientific, peer-reviewed
studies based on this thing thatisn't in any way, shape, or form
ever proven to be real.
Assuming that it is.
Here's an interesting quote Ifound from an interview that
someone did with Sunbow TrueBrother.
I found in my researchdiscussions about the Sasquatch
(26:35):
Genome Project, that our bigbrothers, which is what they
call the Sasquatch universe ofcreatures, have human DNA.
What is your understanding ofthis line of research?
The answer.
They share 99% of our DNA.
(26:57):
Despite mainstream ridicule,there are over 100 DNA samples
that have been subjected to afive-year research project
headed up by Dr.
Ketchum.
Her findings trace themitochondrial DNA and found that
it stems from human femaleancestors.
These can be traced to remotepopulations sometimes around
13,000 years ago.
Okay, there's a problem here.
(27:17):
Just one?
Oh, okay, okay.
There are problems here.
That's not really how scienceworks, first of all.
You're assuming something thatyou believe that everyone
believes in already.
I will cite again, just forcontext, that interview I did
that one time when I was workingin the news in Oregon, when we
interviewed that woman who'sprotesting the building of 5G
(27:38):
towers.
And the interview started outwith, Well, we all know that 5G
gives cancer to cats.
Thus, this is what I believe.
And it's like, okay, let's backup a second.
Do we all know that?
Is that a real thing that we allknow?
So this is 2013, by the way.
He hasn't even had his bigmoment.
But he does have some goodpoints.
Like, in this same interview,they pose the question In your
(27:59):
opinion, is the secrecy anddeliberate dismissal of
Sasquatch connected withcorporate industry's desire to
continue unchecked withdestructive extraction projects
and practices.
If you just kind of take theSasquatch part out of that,
can't really argue.
His answer (28:13):
one only has to look at the history of genocide and
colonization in Canada to get aclear picture of the links
governing bodies andcorporations will go to secure
resources.
Good point, by the way.
Great measures and entirecommittees have been created to
hunt and suppress the truthabout Sasquatch.
Okay.
The International Committee forResearch into Harry Humanoids,
(28:33):
which we talked about, wasfounded in Rome in 1963 by the
CIA, the KGP, and the MI6.
I don't know about that.
It was an unofficial operationthat was tasked to attend to
reports, collect data, andremove evidence.
Further, the U.S.
Embassy in Nepal penned, quote,the Yeti Memo, a document
deploying the several Yetihunting expeditions into the
(28:55):
Himalayas between 1957 and 1959.
An explorer named Peter Byrne,who also hunted Yeti, found in a
remote Buddhist temple what hebelieved was a Yeti hand, which
he stole and brought back to theUnited States.
What became of it then becomesobscure.
Now that is true.
That did happen.
Yeah.
This was in fucking 2013.
(29:16):
Okay?
We both know about this thing.
They did do DNA testing on thathand, and it proved to be a
black bear.
So if you're going to do aSasquatch DNA project, a genome
project, and one of your biggestexamples has already been proven
to not be whatever it is youthink it is, and you're using
that as a baseline, there's aproblem with your science.
(29:36):
I understand the want tobelieve.
It gets real weird.
So we haven't even gotten toSungbo's biggest contribution to
the world.
In his websites, he skips backto the 90s and the 80s, and then
he goes back to the 2000s andwhat have you.
He has also published a fuck tonof books.
You gotta get the word outthere, right?
I want to send you this video,but it's also an hour and 43
(29:57):
minutes long.
One of his websites has achannel.
Chatbot that keeps asking me ifI have questions.
Do I have questions?
Let me count the ways.
So he does have, by the way,about 10,000 websites.
It's kind of bizarre how manywebsites that he maintains.
And ironically, he does nolonger control his Facebook
(30:22):
page.
It got dinged and he can'taccess it.
Which is like you'd think theone place, right?
In 2015, supposedly, Sunboencountered a Sasquatch for
himself, specifically an elderof their tribe named Elder
Camus.
Not spelled like the philosopherCamus, obviously.
No, it's K-A-M-O-O-H.
(30:43):
Is that right?
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
Have you encountered some of those quotes yet?
Well, I've seen a smattering.
I was actually trying to like dosome more research on the
previous history of a sunbow.
It's hard to find.
If I remember right, I think hewas child psychologist before he
decided to branch out and uh dohis uh sasquatching work.
(31:05):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, his squatching.
Yeah.
His uh prophecies of squatch,squatches.
Yeah, let's see.
Well, he's done a good job oflike telling the story of
himself that he wants out there.
And it kind of seems to startwith him delving into his
shamanic practices of NativeAmerican, indigenous First
Nations, you know, AmericanIndian peoples, and then jumping
(31:28):
from that into like spacebrethren, etc.
etc.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Some of which is a problem, not to overstate the
obvious, but his co-opting ofevery possible indigenous
religion ever as a white dude.
That's a little problematic.
But he claims to have this longcareer, which sure, yeah.
He probably did a lot of reallyinteresting stuff and did a lot
of drugs and went to a lot ofrainbow festivals and probably a
lot of burning bands.
And I know I've seen him do alot of talks.
(31:54):
There's you can watch a lot ofvideos of him on YouTube doing
it, but it's not until 2015 thathe actually claims to have had
an encounter with a Sasquatch.
That is pretty late in the gamefor that.
So Sumbo received andtranscribed messages from an
elder Sasquatch named Camuswhile in British Columbia.
The Sasquatch people ask us, Iguess as the human race, to
(32:19):
disseminate the information asit's a message, this is really
badly written, as it's a messageto the world for each to do our
part to save Earth and then thehuman race.
There's an extra letter in thatwork.
Our Sasquatch elders want to,quote, talk with people in a
powerful decision-makingcapacity because someone must
comprehend all the negativitythat is happening and take the
(32:41):
lead in creating a peaceful andenvironmentally friendly world
for a healthier planet inspirit, mind, and body.
SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
So were they like speaking English?
Or is this a I think it wastelepathic?
Uh-oh, one of those uh soulspeaks.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Yeah, or like pseudo-telepathic, kind of like
Betty and Barney Hill, or likesome of the UFO stuff we talked
about before.
He talks about how uh you know,the Sasquatch were
interdimensional beings whowhich explains well, he kind of
waffles back and forth betweenit being a conspiracy with all
the world's intelligenceagencies covering up the
evidence those things existed,to also being an international
(33:21):
being who are aliens but alsoshare 99% of our DNA somehow,
and that they have messages fromon high about what we're doing
wrong and how we could make itbetter.
On his website, he goes indetail about a lot of his
projects, his some of thedocumentaries that he created
after he met with Eldra Camus,who is essentially Joseph Smith
(33:46):
stuff.
It's also kind of the day theearth stood still, an outside
being coming down from on high,telling us why we're fucking up
and how we could be better andhow we could fix things.
And he's basically built anentire career off of that.
He built so many websites andalso many books based on the
(34:08):
whole thing.
He's kind of propped up at thispoint by the mainstream
Sasquatch investigativecommunity, which includes actual
scientists like we talked aboutwith the Sasquatch Genium
Project.
He claims that he continued toreceive and transcribe messages
from Camu and other Sasquatchelders.
And in 2017, he released asecond book.
(34:28):
I think there are like four now,there are at least three.
And then it gets really weirdbecause there are other people
that believed him and ran othersort of I think if it were any
other type of thing, we justcall them like fan sites, but
who also claim to haveexperienced the same things he
did, like Kelly RainbowButterfly.
Good name.
(34:49):
That's about right.
She said that she read one ofthe channeled messages from
Sasquatch that Sunbo had sharedon Facebook.
Okay, let's isolate thatsentence.
Moment of silence for humanculture.
Internet's a great place.
Man, we had so much promise.
Kelly and Sunbo connected andthey collaborated to publish the
Sasquatch Message to Humanityonline.
(35:11):
After publishing these messagesthat he received from Elder
Camus, quote, they werephenomenal, and many people
requested a hard copy to carryaround and share, and thus began
the process of making themavailable in paperback and ebook
in 2016.
Sunbo continued to receive andtranscribe messages from Camus
and other Sasquatch elders.
Then the second came out.
(35:33):
Kelly was also channelingmessages from several elders and
guided to collaborate with otherSasquatch communicators,
including Sunbo, on theSasquatch Message to Humanity
Book 3, Earth AmbassadorsCooperation, which was published
in May 2018.
This is from the websiteSasquatchMessage.com.
We would like to thank everyonefor their support of Kelly Sunbo
(35:55):
and all the ambassadors of theloving Sasquatch people.
These books have been madepossible due to your love,
support, and search for thetruth.
Capital T.
It is our intent to help othersheal and find their path of
light by sharing this message tohumanity on behalf of the
Sasquatchy collectiveconsciousness.
I think that's a pretty goodplace to end that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:15):
So I do have a couple questions that we didn't
quite get into.
Absolutely.
So it's also my interesting thatthe Sasquatch are also Star
Brothers, right?
They're like Sasquatch.
Okay, so they have ships, or isthis more of like an
consciousness expansion?
SPEAKER_00 (36:34):
I think they manifest.
So based on everything I'veseen, I've never seen anything
where they actually have ship.
We've heard stories about theidea that they might.
Yeah, there's a lot ofconnections between none of that
is in this canon.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Yeah, okay.
Just um some of some like the deI'm I'm sure we'd have to read
these books and get into itbecause there's a lot of space
brother fluff that's floatingaround.
Any hard elements of the story.
I was also looking at some ofthe stuff in the in the
Sasquatch message to humanity,they have details of the hidden
history of the planet, thepre-human sagas of the fish,
(37:07):
ant, and lizard people, and howthe Sasquatch and are our elder
brothers who came just before usbefore the dawn of humanity.
So that paired with theSasquatch is 99% human.
So are we derived from theSasquatch elders then?
That's right.
Or are we parallel evolved?
SPEAKER_00 (37:28):
But I mean, if there's Sasquatch elders and
that So my feeling throughlooking through all of this, and
I think you might agree with meon this, that looking through
all of it, they're they'retrying to do mysticism that they
can roughly and vaguely justifywith real science, that they
know that there were severalspecies of hominids, that you
(37:49):
know, Neanderthals existed, uh,there are other species of human
that existed, that it isn't it'snot a one directly evolved into
the other, it's a it's aparallel species thing, and then
sometimes interbreed or whathave you.
So that the the Sasquatch eldersare separate but related, but
also we evolved from themspiritually.
(38:11):
Right.
Let's say existentially.
SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
I think perhaps it's best summed up by a quote.
Thank you, Goodreads, or thesociopaths who are putting the
quotes of these books onGoodreads.
What we want to emphasizeoverall is the need for your
human people, H and Pcapitalized, to reconnect with
the wisdom of your soul,capitalized, and realign with
the intelligence of your heart,reactivate your genetic star
(38:36):
seeds and soul capitalizedmemories, recover your psychic
abilities and evolvecollectively into a higher
spiritual consciousness.
Wow.
Quote again from the SasquatchMessage to Humanity,
conversations with Elder Camus.
When the ant people rebuilt theactual moon, we see they made it
(38:57):
of similar proportions to thefirst natural moon that had been
destroyed, but they devised itto be 400 times smaller than the
sun and set it 400 times closerso that it would fit perfectly
its diameter during eclipses.
This coded message for anyintelligence was to remember the
ant people as the firstcivilization on Earth.
It explains why this perfectratio is nowhere else found to
(39:21):
be in our solar system, nor inany other.
I mean, I mean we're all toldthat before we go to bed every
night.
SPEAKER_00 (39:27):
That's that's science.
Alright.
That's science right there.
Yeah, the these vague wideswaths of statements, the these
sort of general uh hand wavingsof things that don't really seem
to mean anything.
Yeah, I mean, because like wecould we could go down and break
down why that doesn't makesense, but I mean, really, it
should just be intuitive, but II mean I guess it's not.
(39:49):
Yeah, ant people somehow whatwhat are they crawled into
space?
SPEAKER_01 (39:55):
I we do need more information about the ant people
and the fish people and thelizard people.
I agree.
Release the ant people files.
unknown (40:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:07):
Alright, enough with Epstein.
Let's get the fish peopledocuments, alright?
SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
I need the lizard people files today.
Our government is complicit.
SPEAKER_01 (40:19):
Man, I could do so many of these, but you know,
let's just end it like this.
Okay.
When the individual soul'semotional experience reaches
empathy and compassion, theirconsciousness starts to
understand intelligence and thespiritual meaning of life.
I think we can all put that inour pocket and get on with our
day.
(40:39):
Those are words to live by.
I mean, there are there areworse words.
You know, there's true.
There's a lot of stuff in thisthat obviously we don't buy
into, but there can be positive,you know, life-affirming
spiritual messages that helpguide you through your
day-to-day and your interactionswith others that can be
(41:01):
beneficial for both yourself andthose around you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:04):
In the end, it just kind of reminds me of Donnie
Darko.
You know what?
Sunbo seems like a cool dude.
I'd probably roll my eyes a fewtimes, but I'd just share a
spliff with him and maybe a tripwith him or whatever.
It does sound like he's a Trumpsupporter, though.
SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
So Oh, he does?
I think so.
I if I remember right, there'sstuff that the Sasquatch elders
were like uh guiding Trump andthey were hoping that Trump
would win to like help bringabout the next level of
consciousness.
That's the biggest problem withall this stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
Do you like have fun, believe in whatever you
want to believe, like you don'thurt anybody?
But at some point, even duringthe narratives that he creates
and other people tangentiallyhave created around the things
that he believes, eventually youget into some weird neo-Nazi
dialogue.
Even during some of this stuff,you could see where they would
(41:57):
where some people would go fromwhat they're talking about to
vrill, to Arians, to the lizardpeople, to it can be a slippery
slope.
SPEAKER_01 (42:08):
It's easy to diverge into those things, especially
when you're doing hiddenhistories, everyone's lying to
you, there's a conspiracy.
It can be a dark path that leadsyou away from karmic intuitions
and you know empathy with yourfellow man.
I was like, how do you get fromfrom like these positive
starseed galactic communionbrotherhood messages to, well, I
(42:32):
need orange man to hunt downbrown people.
SPEAKER_00 (42:35):
Let's say you're in, I don't know, central or
northern California and you'rehanging out and you're sharing a
spliff with some dude at somebonfire, and he seems like a
really nice guy, probablyintends to be a nice guy,
completely, you know, innocentmeaning, and then it, you know,
they start talking aboutstarseeds, and then that
eventually just kind of devolvesinto fucking eugenics, and
you're like, okay, whoa, holdon, hold on a second, wait,
(42:56):
what?
And then when they when theytalk about the lizard peep or
other kind of conspiracies likethat, well, you know, they mean
Jews, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
You can get that that perspective with the trippy
circle in the woods, but you canalso go to your major political
leaders who essentially like,well, yeah, we kind of want the
Jews to take back their homelandso that they can start the war,
and we all of the us good peoplewho believe will get teleported
(43:26):
into spaceland before the deviltakes over the the earth and
sends everybody to hell.
SPEAKER_00 (43:32):
I don't believe in horseshoe theory except in this
instance.
You go apart and then youeventually meet not quite in the
middle, but close to the samelevel.
Because you can have fuckingcrunchy, uh liberal, fucking
even leftist like moms who noware super anti-vex and are
talking about Jewish spacelasers.
And it's sad because this stuffused to be fun.
(43:55):
Yeah.
You know, when there was like anagreed upon Nazis were bad, this
stuff is interesting, the worldused to be way more fun.
Like how country music, popcountry music, and mainstream
hip hop they're such opposites.
And then somehow they comearound in the middle at some
point to meet to make honky donkbedonkadonk.
(44:16):
It's it's you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
It's so weird.
I was literally driving in thecar just the other day, and I
heard two or three songs, andthey were all like blends of
country and rap.
And I was like, is this justwhat music has evolved into?
All of them had elements of youknow, like synthesizers and
these pop vocals behind countrysinging and uh rhythms, and then
(44:42):
rap interludes.
It is just omni music that thatis one.
SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
It's a it's a bizarre phenomenon because it's
not a monoculture, but itpresents as a monoculture.
Maybe it's a whole differentworld, whole different
landscape.
Oh, maybe it's all money.
What do you know?
SPEAKER_01 (45:02):
Maybe it is how it always has been.
The new boss is the same as theold boss.
Or there's Space Brothers thatare Sasquatch from here, but
also the fourth dimensionalconsciousness.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Are they the Fatelli brothers or are they the Scoleri
brothers?
SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
I think much like uh Sunbo True Brother, we have also
lost the plot at this point.
SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
Oh, big time.
I this fried my brain so much.
I don't even more so, I think,than the law of one, because
that one at least was like somesort of faux cohesive
philosophy.
I mean, if you go to like one ofhis websites, they're like,
these are our sister or brotherwebsites, and they're like 15 of
them, and they all have theirown tangent websites, and you're
(45:49):
like, okay, there's like theSasquatch Family Reunion, that's
a website.
I it doesn't end, it just goeson and on and on and on, and
it's mostly the same people.
I'm on Sasquatch FamilyReunion.com right now, honoring
all life, healing ourselves, andco-creating a regenerative
(46:10):
earth.
They have an event coming up, anactual Sasquatch Family Reunion
in Kettle Falls, Washington, May28th to June 2nd, 2026.
So your tickets now, folks.
Book your tickets now.
That one was founded by KellyRainbow Butterfly.
SPEAKER_01 (46:27):
Oh, I don't that might be going in the same time
as the Juggalo event, and I canonly choose one.
I don't oof oof.
SPEAKER_00 (46:37):
Well, and after after the Burning Man orgy tent
collapsed, I don't know that Ireally want to venture into this
territory, but I heard aboutthat.
SPEAKER_01 (46:48):
Isn't that during like the dust storm?
Yeah, it blew it down.
Oh, it it definitely blew itdown, alright.
Yeah, it definitely blew, that'sfor sure.
Well, we we hope that thispodcast didn't blow for you all.
Jesus Christ.
It just You mean Jesus Christ,the space brother of the hairy
kind?
Fellow Sasquatch, Jesus Christ.
I'm sure they have to mentionJesus somewhere in there, and
(47:11):
I'm fascinated to know what theywould say about it, but you know
what?
That is for you all to do yourown research.
Let the internet take you placesthat you don't want to go and
see what you find.
Don't tell them that.
Well, it's what we all endure.
We're all in the same boat, andit's all falling off a cliff of
(47:31):
a flat earth.
Indeed, it is.
But until we all crash down toour demise, we hope that you
have enjoyed the podcast andkeep listening.
Check back for next episode.
If you wouldn't mind liking,sharing, subscribing, and maybe
even rating us on the favoritepodcast app of your choice.
Ideally, five Elder SpaceBrothers of the Harry Kind on
(47:53):
Apple Podcasts.
That's the best way for us toget heard and thus seen, and
spread our uh multi-levelmarketing pod cult to all that
uh we deem worthy.
Um and we we do want to thankyou for listening.
We always have a great timemaking these, and we hope that
you have a great time listening.
(48:14):
Uh, we hope you come back.
But until that day, SpaceBrother skip, what should they
do?
SPEAKER_00 (48:20):
Well, I would like to first say that we as a
podcast are trying to bridgeearth wisdom, spirit, spiritual
ecology, and heart-centeredcommunity, first and foremost.
That having been said, what ourfans should do is make sure they
flame to after themselves tosome sort of reasonable degree,
(48:41):
make sure they pay their weightstaff, their bartenders, their
KJs, and what have you, makesure they support their local
comic shops and retailers, andonce again, from Dismay Jacks,
we would both like to sayGodspeed for wizards.
You are all starseeds.
That's a Wookiee!
SPEAKER_01 (49:02):
Are workies not Starseed brothers as well?
SPEAKER_00 (49:05):
Are they not our brothers?
Uh yeah.
Does a Wookiee not bleed?
Do you shoot him first?
SPEAKER_01 (49:12):
Is he not greedo?
Will will he not reach his uhfurry hand in your tent?
SPEAKER_03 (49:20):
The sasquatch are uh definitely not animals or
primitive, very evolvedpsychically, and so they are
something else than whatcryptozoologists, for instance,
even uh anthropologists.
It took me over 30 years tolearn and understand that the
sasquatch are third dimensionalbeings.
(49:43):
There's different types ofsasquatch though.
Just because of so many millionyears of evolution, as well on
different planets, has giventhem a range of uh genetics.
Well they are further hairy fromhead to toe, they are taller
than us in general, but thereare also some that are smaller.
(50:06):
The Sasquatch have kept incontact with the star people,
which more precisely the StarElders, the Council of Star
Elders, because there's allkinds of people in the universe,
but there are some elders whoserole is to maintain balance and
watch over the world.
It started 2014 when I came out west.
For the first time I went towhere my native ancestors come
from in northern Saskatchewan.
And I heard a story about mygreat-great grandfather when he
was about eight.
Him and his twin brother werefound in the wilderness in the
Northwest Territories by someCree rappers.
(00:32):
They were living in a hut ofbranches, wearing rawhide,
eating bugs and roots, and theydidn't speak any human language.
When I asked about that story tomy cousin, she said we have
Sasquatch in the family.
(00:53):
We have a mind, but it's just anantenna.
Consciousness is beyond physicaland linear time.
So this is what we have to tapinto understand all the
different aspects of our beingand of the universe around us.
SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
Are they in the proper approach pattern for
today?
SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
Negative.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Or if you're a little person who could talk
backwards.
Welcome back to Dispatch Ajax.
Uh I'm Skip.
SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
I am true brother Jake.
I am uh Zenu.
Welcome to the pod.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
I'm Xeno, destroyer of worlds.
SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
I am Xeno.
I make fax machines and copiers.
They none of them arefunctioning.
None of the toner is ever instock.
But we hope you've enjoyed yourpurchase.
And feel free to like, share,and subscribe.
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
We are Neo Zizians now.
It's already been rebooted.
Oh man, I in the multiverse.
I can't ever keep up with thisstuff.
You know, these kids today.
When we were younger, BranchDividians took a while, right?
Jonestown took a long time tobuild.
You know, even Manson took abit.
But now, Zizians, you come youyou're in and out.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
No, nobody's even buying the same shoes and
cutting off their genitals.
Come on now.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Yeah, come on, lazy fuckers.
So we're gonna go on a journeyright now, and it's gonna be a
sec.
So we'll see how far we can getinto this before we turn into
Sam Neil from In the Mouth ofMadness at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Kids, put your shoes on, get your backpacks ready,
make sure your mom packed yourlunch because we are going on a
journey.
Yeah, get your bug out bag readybecause uh Oh, unfortunately
it's necessary.
SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Get your Luigi Mangioni backpack armed and
ready.
We're going somewhere weird.
SPEAKER_01 (03:14):
Get your copy of the road and uh read up on what's uh
what's in coming for us all.
SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
Get your copies of the road and on the road.
So we're gonna start out righthere.
Ape Canyon is a gorge along theedge of the plains of Abraham on
the southeast shoulder of MountSt.
Helens in the state ofWashington.
In the summer of 1924,hardworking miners, according to
them, self-professed hardworkingminers, came across strange
(03:40):
animals in the wilderness.
So, obviously, they startedshooting at them.
Yeah.
Well, it's America, you know?
I mean the gun was right there.
I was claiming it when it wentoff.
And when one of the group shotone of the animals with a rifle,
he hit it three times.
And then they all saw thewounded animal topple off a
cliff into what is described asan inaccessible canyon.
(04:04):
Now, later that evening, theywere savagely attacked in the
middle of the night by unknownassailants.
The wooden frame of their cabinshook violently, its door was
rattling, and it was pelted withgigantic rocks, which they
described as boulders.
At one point a huge fur coveredarm reached in through the
window and grabbed at an axethat one of the miners had left
(04:26):
on the table.
The men took aim and firedeverything they had.
Their guns, right?
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Not their nocturnal emissions.
SPEAKER_00 (04:33):
There was no it was no skate shoes.
There's so much emerticism goingon here.
Fortunately, these miners didlive, but they would be forever
changed.
Now, what I'm gonna do right nowis I am going to send you a
(04:53):
newspaper picture from this era.
Wait, what's a newspaper?
Let's see here.
There we go.
Mountain Devil!
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
Uh notice some of the headlines in the image here.
Oh, okay.
Oh, all right.
Helso Mines.
Why why why am I doing like thesouthern accent?
I don't need that.
I I don't know, they're inWashington.
I don't know.
I don't know.
What's a Washingtonian accent?
Uh it's kind of Canadian.
Okay.
Kelso Mines back with the taleof uh Mountain Devils, eh?
(05:23):
Oh, uh it's not that Canadian.
Let me let me tone Gorilla Men,rare Indians fail to get their
souls?
Yeah.
Mountain Devil's talk of minersis unshaken.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
So these men claim, based on their account, that
they were attacked by some sortof strange creatures that were
humanoid, covered with fur, andviolent.
Though they did, I don't know,shoot at them and kill one of
their brethren or what have you.
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Um I mean, that's supposed to be a problem.
Whenever us as white peopleencounter something we don't
know, especially a hominid thatseems to be similar to us in any
way, shape, or form, obviouslywe need to kill them first.
Ask questions later.
You have to.
Have to.
Have to.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
That's what we've done our entire existence.
That is literally true.
Yep.
It's like that Mr.
Showskit when they were like, wewere shooting at them first and
they shot back.
Why?
So let's fast forward.
In 1967, Roger Patterson andRobert Gimlin, two former rodeo
savants.
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
A term that's never been used before in all of human
history.
SPEAKER_00 (06:39):
No, I'll coin that one.
I'll trademark it.
How about that?
Rodeo savant.
Bon vivant rodeo savant.
And also amateur boxers made anironic little movie.
Maybe you've heard of it.
Okay, maybe the second most seenamateur film ever made.
So this film was shot on a 16mmCine Kodak K-100 with a mobile
(07:03):
grip handle at 24 frames persecond.
The footage was shot in 1967 inNorthern California along Bluff
Creek, a tributary of theKlamath River, which I've been
on.
About 25 logging road milesnorthwest of Orleans,
California, in Del Norte County,Six Rivers National Forest.
(07:24):
The film is roughly 38 milessouth of California and 18 miles
east of the Pacific Ocean, justto put it in context.
And now these areas are verydifficult to get to because it's
really hard to if you want toget to the coast, even though
you're like really close to thecoast, there's a mountain range
in the way.
So you have to go down andaround to get to it.
So this is a very remote area.
(07:46):
And so for decades, the exactlocation of this site was lost.
A lot of it was because ofregrowth of foliage in the
stream bed after a flood thathappened in 1964.
It wasn't even rediscovered byhuman beings until 2011.
It's just south of anorth-running segment of the
creek, informally known as thebowling alley, where the dew
(08:08):
divides.
710 split.
So originally in May or June1967, Patterson began filming a
docudrama, or I guess you couldsay a pseudo-documentary, about
cowboys led by an old miner, anold prospector, old rickety
shits, old pickle chutes, and awise Indian tracker on the hunt
(08:30):
for a legendary creature.
The story called for Patterson,his Indian guide, who by the way
was just Gimlin in a wig, andthe cowboys to recall in
flashbacks the stories of one ofthe miners from the 1924 Ape
Canyon incident.
And then others as they, youknow, encountered them along the
trail.
For actors and cameramen,Patterson used at least nine
(08:51):
volunteer acquaintances,including Gimlin and a guy named
Bob Hieronymus, which is anawesome name.
That is an awesome name.
For three days of shooting,expected at least over the
Memorial Day weekend.
So in 1967, Patterson and hisfriend Ginlin set out for the
Six Rivers National Forest.
They drove in Gimlin's truckcarrying his provisions and
three horses positionedsideways, which is awful.
(09:13):
Patterson chose the area becauseof intermittent reports of these
supposed legendary creatures inthe past, and people have
discovered their footprintssince 1958.
His familiarity with the areaand its residents, he thought it
was achievable, essentially.
But what they managed to shootwas not this pseudo-documentary.
What they shot was, indeed, aSasquatch, an American Yeti
(09:37):
Bigfoot.
An ape man.
Or an ape man.
The word Sasquatch from theSistales people who have called
Canada home for tens ofthousands of years is an
anglicized version of their wordsasquets, which is used to
describe caretakers who watchover the land.
This film shows 952 frames ofBigfoot, which subsequently has
(10:01):
been nicknamed Patty.
It amounted to approximately39.7 seconds of footage.
Now, if you've ever seen this,which almost everyone has, it's
the most iconic Bigfoot thingever, just even imagery-wise, it
is interesting and it iscompelling.
Especially since it's 1967, howdo you have costume technology
(10:21):
and the special effects makeuptechnology to be able to create
this?
You know, and then peopledebated about the way that it
moves organically, seemsnatural, doesn't seem
human-like, it actually doesn'tseem like a guy in a suit.
Even though there were rumorsthat special effects makeup
wizard John Chambers created asuit that was used in the film
as a hoax.
Now both the filmmakers andChambers denied this.
(10:44):
But the most surprising thingabout the film is that it's
never been really trulydebunked.
I mean, people doubt it, andpeople have come out and said I
was there or I talked to thedude or whatever.
I mean, but it's never actuallybeen officially discredited.
Even though, before he died,costume manufacturer Philip
Morris gave talks about how hesold Roger Patterson the suit
(11:05):
seen on the film.
One of his talks featuredexamples of the faked Bigfoot,
and that was featured on thetravel channels making monsters.
We're gonna fast forward again.
Born in Montreal in aFrench-Canadian family, Sunbow
True Brother, whose real name hesays is irrelevant, found
inspiration in the PattersonGimlin film.
Quote, Well, it is a story ofmany lifetimes that began in my
(11:28):
late childhood and preteens withthe Patterson footage.
My first experience wasSasquatch, I was 17 years old,
young and supple like a fawn.
In the region of BritishColumbia called Chihalis, it was
the beginning of my journey toconnect with the Sasquatch and
indigenous elders, whom I havetraveled to learn with for the
last 40 years, during which Ihave had many sightings and
(11:50):
experiences.
So that's who we're talkingabout today.
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
So just I know a little bit of what we're going
to talk about.
And it's interesting that Iremember seeing the Patterson
Gimlin footage as a child, alongwith many other pictures and
photographs and video footage ofdifferent paranormal phenomena,
and I was always fascinated.
But it seems to be uh certaininflection points that can
change the path of your life.
(12:16):
Like I could have seen this andchosen the left, you know, and
gone somewhere completelydifferent.
Am I that different from aSunbow True Brother?
Could I have been one of theelders?
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
You're a Robert Frost poem away from being a
different person.
Fine lines.
It's life in the margins, myfriend.
That's sliding doors.
So Sunbow True Brother, who doeskeep his real name close to the
chest, close to the vest, sorry.
Close to the hairy chest.
Which is funny.
That's actually a thing I cutout of this, is that one of the
arguments about why it didn'tmake sense that Susquatch looked
the way it did was because inthe second Planet of the Apes
(12:51):
movie, there's a scene wherethey're in a sauna and they're
like bare chested, whichwouldn't happen.
And it kind of looked like theway that Patty looked in that
footage.
So they assumed that they coulduse the same technology that
they used in Planet of the Apesto make a costume.
But at the same time, I findthat a little dubious only
because Planet of the Apes hadjust come out.
That was innovative costumingtechnology, to the extent where
(13:15):
the guy that created that, whoalso created a bunch of Star
Trek makeup, was employed by theCIA to help hide uh CIA agents
overseas during, I don't know,to watch Argo.
SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
I mean it it's you dress them up as you dress them
much as Bigfoot and then yousend them other places and
they're they blend into thenatural surroundings and the you
know it's easy peasy them andsqueezy.
You get married to the sixmillion dollar man.
It's the oldest story.
Name a better plot, okay?
That is the pinnacle ofsubterfuge and it's really what
(13:48):
our whole Intel infrastructureis based on, right there.
SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, Co Intel Pro, ProjectMockingbird.
It's all about Sasquatch.
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
The Iran Sasquatch affair, I think is how they the
Sasquatch Contra.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Why do you think Ollie North went to prison?
Spurned.
Spurned of Sasquatch love.
SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
Spurned.
It's just theory.
We're working on it still.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
And as much as it would be fun to do an entire
thing on Sasquatch, there's somuch lore and weirdness out
there that there's no way wecould do it in any reasonable
time.
And I include there are storiesof dudes that encountered a
Sasquatch family and encounteredtheir females, and the females
wanted to mate with him, andlike literally stuff we're
joking about, they've actuallysaid is true.
(14:33):
Oh, yeah, there's a lot of weirdSasquatch stories.
And some of it isn't incredible.
I don't know that that's whathappened, because there's that
one dude who went through thatthing where he camped out and he
got attacked by a Sasquatchfamily and he got kidnapped, and
then by the time he was finallyreturned, his hair had turned
completely white in reality.
So something happened to thatdude.
(14:54):
I but was it Sasquatch?
I couldn't tell you.
Especially since the Sasquatchlore hasn't really existed for
very long.
You know, relatively.
The 1924 Ape Men attack was onlysort of rolled into Sasquatch
lore after the Patterson Gimlinfilm.
There were other situations,like, for instance, and I didn't
(15:16):
know this existed until today,was the International Committee
for the Study of the Human-likehairy bipeds, which was formed
on the initiative of ProfessorCarato Gini, president of the
International Institute ofSociology, for the purpose of
studying and exchanginginformation about the alleged
they called them snowmen andother hairy bipeds.
(15:37):
They claim that still littleknown to science about which
ancient documents and recenttestimony are becoming ever more
abundant.
So this dude was actually fromItaly, and this was this weird
international think tank thathad actual scientists behind it.
Well, one of which was Dr.
A.A.
Smakov.
(15:59):
So be people from Russia,Germany, Italy, the United
States, Canada.
An international affair.
Truly international.
Let's see, Dr.
Marka Burns of Leeds University,some of which may be credible,
created the society to figureout if this was real or not.
And this is like right beforethe Patterson Gimblin film.
Because of internationalsightings of what we would call
(16:22):
Sasquatch, they would call Yetior Snowman.
And then, of course, there's theDiatlav Pass incident, where one
of the last photos taken on therole of film ever exposed was of
a weird, mysterious, tallcreature, and and one of the
last things ever mentioned byone of the people is that at
last we know now that thesnowmen are real.
(16:42):
So, that having been said,Sunbro True Brother, in his sort
of treatise, which he has many,claims that the first native,
when he says native, he eithermeans indigenous or first
peoples, because he's Canadian,but also claims to know a lot
about native tribes, but doesn'tseem to understand them or how
to refer to them.
The first native quote-unquotelegend he ever heard was when he
(17:04):
was eight years old from hisbrother, who had heard it in a
summer camp about the Wauloo,which were essentially the hairy
forest people, as they'rereferred to in the state of
Maine.
He claims he had never heard theword Sasquatch yet, but it was
only a few years later that hesaw the Patterson Gimlin film.
He then went on to read Chariotsof the Gods by Von Daniken,
(17:28):
which, man, we should probablydo a thing on that.
And then his brain slowlystarted to crack.
Or expand.
Either way, it came wide open.
That's when he he began hisinterest in star people, and
according to him, hiddenarchaeology and the paranormal,
which he could have just ledwith that, but whatever.
So before he turned 17, he tookhis first tour of Turtle Island,
(17:52):
which became a pilgrimage insearch of spiritual
understanding.
He claims through religiousexploration, churches, temples,
ashrams, and connections withwhat he uses in all caps, Mother
Nature.
That fall, he claims that amedicine man, end quotes,
instructed him on how to do avision quest, during which he
(18:15):
experienced his first spiritguide.
He said he didn't know what washappening, but he felt deeply
that native ancestral teachingsheld many answers.
So that following summer, hewent to his first rainbow
gathering.
There she is.
What Ratel is a rainbowgathering?
Yeah, so it's a little difficultto describe.
(18:37):
Think of this burning man, butmore esoteric and harder to find
and constantly shifting.
If you do it, you already haveto know where it's gonna be.
You have to know somebody whoknows somebody to get there.
You don't buy tickets.
It's essentially what a burn is,which a burn is they're
(18:58):
basically just outdoorfestivals, right?
It's sometimes they're musicallyinclined, sometimes they're just
people meeting out in the woodsand hanging out and talking
about how much you knowcorporate America sucks, and
then doing like pagan rituals oror whatever.
Uh, but it gets pretty intensewith rainbow festivals.
I mean, they're very I'veencountered because there was
(19:18):
one in Colombia once, and Iencountered a guy who went to
one.
This dude, I was I was in someshop, and this guy walks in, and
he's like, I don't know,probably like 6'1, 6'2, older
dude, gray beard, wearing acrown of elk antlers, and not
wearing a whole lot.
I like what you told me so for,all right.
(19:38):
And a giant walking staff, uh,with with like charms.
Is that what we're gonna callit?
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
Uh a walking staff?
All right, wink, wink, nudge,nudge.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
Not a lot else you can call it, because that's
literally what it was.
Because his junk was pretty muchhanging out anyway.
So, like, there were there's nothere's no innuendo there,
essentially.
SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
I live by innuendo, sir.
Do not take that away from me.
It is the air with which Ibreathe.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
My father used to say, out your door and innuendo.
It is very much like a burn or asome sort of outdoor festival
that that we're kind of likeexperience with now, but much
more intense and much moresincere, and much less sort of
like involved with capitalism ormodern society.
It's like a speakeasy.
SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
A little bit.
Well, I mean, just in the waythat you like, you need to yeah.
No, I mean it's like it's it's alittle more secretive.
You have to be in the know tolike get the invite, and then so
that was a big game changer forhim.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
And so over the next nearly four decades, he claims
to have traveled through 20countries in the Americas and
Western Europe, and he goes on adiatribe about this a lot in one
of his many websites and booksand blogs, where he says things
like, I was blessed to sit andlearn, receive teachings, and
take part in ceremonies withmany elders from several native
(20:58):
nations, including Hopi, Dine,Navajo, Apache, Anashabi,
Algonquin, Cree, Metis, Ojabwe,Atem Atatakamek, Abnaki, Mikmac,
Malasset, Inu, Inuwit, Wapanog,Mohawk, Kyoga, in his what he
calls his abbreviated biography,goes on for another five
(21:21):
paragraphs of nations and tribesthat he supposedly studied with,
interacted with.
And then at the end goes, I alsostudied and learned from other
spiritual teachings like theVedic scriptures.
End of thought, I guess.
Well, never mind.
He then he goes on to say thatfrom the Lakota that he did a
(21:42):
sweat lodge with a man namedSalo Blackcrow, who he says
brought back the sun dance.
I'm not exactly sure what hemeans by that.
Then he went to a place calledPine Ridge where a guy named
David Swallow invited me to putOkay, alright, hold on.
I'm gonna put this in quote,make sure we highlight the
horrible way that he wrote this.
Because this is actually fromhis blog.
(22:04):
You're gonna like this.
David Swallow invited me to putup my teepee and join in the
ceremony.
But sadly, my traveling partnershad no time, so I gave him an
earth flag.
Is that like the reversefrogman?
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Or is that I I used my hairy palms to give him an
earth flag.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
I did I gave the underside a little how's your
father?
He gave me an earth flag.
Oh boy.
He's he's written a bunch ofbooks, and almost every single
one of these, it's rife withmisspellings and grammatical
errors.
So that's a thing.
So then in 1994, he joined whathe called ceremonies at an event
(22:44):
called World Unity, which wasnear Grand Canyon, and at the
ceremony uh at the celebrationon Barnaby Mountain for stopping
a pipeline, which is cool, andat the spring for the
International IndigenousGathering in Lilowit, where he
sat in the circle of pipecarriers who carried Crazy
Horse's sacred pipe.
(23:12):
That was not bad.
At least I think it sounded goodto me.
He claims that he was allowed tocarry this pipe to different
ceremonies, and he claims thatin this specific ceremony, I
don't know if he added it to thepipe itself or like to some sort
of burn of some sacred objectsor whatever.
He's not very clear about it,but he says to have added some
(23:33):
hair from a white bison she calfnamed Prophecy, born in Quebec
in 2005.
Okay.
Okay, right.
So now we're back to about 2007.
He talks about how manydifferent cultural groups he
studied with, religiousorganizations he studied with.
He claims to have been adoptedinto several indigenous tribes
(23:56):
in North America, some of whichI think is true, some of which I
think is either not true or theywere just trying to get him out
of the door.
Like, yeah, great, cool.
The really important thing thathe gets to, we'll get to in a
second.
Timeline-wise, let's skip aheadagain.
Let's go all the way to 2013.
(24:17):
Dr.
Melba Ketchum and her colleaguespublished a paper in the journal
De Nova Accelerating Science, inwhich they claimed they had
sequenced genes from a creatureunknown to science, which they
named Homo sapiens cognatus.
This became what is known as theSasquatch Genome Project.
(24:39):
Science.
SPEAKER_01 (24:41):
Actual science.
Well, we'll just go withscience.
I don't know if we need theactual, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
So the Sasquatch Genome Project isn't just about
being in the lab and doing thetests like you think, right?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
They do all the work, they dofield studies, they take
pictures and release themonline.
Uh it's a five-year study thatcost$500,000 that was funded by
a businessman named AdrianErickson.
(25:10):
Now he said that he encounteredSasquatch-like creatures and
that he has the photos and thescience to back their existence.
But he also went out of his wayto be like, I get it.
Quote, people have chosen not tobelieve it.
They can't find it in theirminds that these things exist.
So he wanted a credible platformto document this in real
(25:32):
science.
Now, the problem with a lot ofthis is it's really hard to do
credible science if you startout with a premise where you
already have an unshaken beliefin something that isn't proven
to be real.
I mean, isn't that kind of thepremise of science?
So now you're working hard toprove that it is.
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
You don't want to back engineer your science.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Exactly.
That's the opposite of howscience works.
This creature does not followgeneral rule, says Dr.
Ketchup.
And it is spelled like you wouldthink, ketchup.
What it does do is verydifferent.
We think it is a human hybrid,that's our theory.
Okay, we've already got someproblems here.
You want to create a scientificmethod and sort of some sort of
society.
(26:14):
They genuinely tried to publishreal scientific, peer-reviewed
studies based on this thing thatisn't in any way, shape, or form
ever proven to be real.
Assuming that it is.
Here's an interesting quote Ifound from an interview that
someone did with Sunbow TrueBrother.
I found in my researchdiscussions about the Sasquatch
(26:35):
Genome Project, that our bigbrothers, which is what they
call the Sasquatch universe ofcreatures, have human DNA.
What is your understanding ofthis line of research?
The answer.
They share 99% of our DNA.
(26:57):
Despite mainstream ridicule,there are over 100 DNA samples
that have been subjected to afive-year research project
headed up by Dr.
Ketchum.
Her findings trace themitochondrial DNA and found that
it stems from human femaleancestors.
These can be traced to remotepopulations sometimes around
13,000 years ago.
Okay, there's a problem here.
(27:17):
Just one?
Oh, okay, okay.
There are problems here.
That's not really how scienceworks, first of all.
You're assuming something thatyou believe that everyone
believes in already.
I will cite again, just forcontext, that interview I did
that one time when I was workingin the news in Oregon, when we
interviewed that woman who'sprotesting the building of 5G
(27:38):
towers.
And the interview started outwith, Well, we all know that 5G
gives cancer to cats.
Thus, this is what I believe.
And it's like, okay, let's backup a second.
Do we all know that?
Is that a real thing that we allknow?
So this is 2013, by the way.
He hasn't even had his bigmoment.
But he does have some goodpoints.
Like, in this same interview,they pose the question In your
(27:59):
opinion, is the secrecy anddeliberate dismissal of
Sasquatch connected withcorporate industry's desire to
continue unchecked withdestructive extraction projects
and practices.
If you just kind of take theSasquatch part out of that,
can't really argue.
His answer (28:13):
one only has to look at the history of genocide and
colonization in Canada to get aclear picture of the links
governing bodies andcorporations will go to secure
resources.
Good point, by the way.
Great measures and entirecommittees have been created to
hunt and suppress the truthabout Sasquatch.
Okay.
The International Committee forResearch into Harry Humanoids,
(28:33):
which we talked about, wasfounded in Rome in 1963 by the
CIA, the KGP, and the MI6.
I don't know about that.
It was an unofficial operationthat was tasked to attend to
reports, collect data, andremove evidence.
Further, the U.S.
Embassy in Nepal penned, quote,the Yeti Memo, a document
deploying the several Yetihunting expeditions into the
(28:55):
Himalayas between 1957 and 1959.
An explorer named Peter Byrne,who also hunted Yeti, found in a
remote Buddhist temple what hebelieved was a Yeti hand, which
he stole and brought back to theUnited States.
What became of it then becomesobscure.
Now that is true.
That did happen.
Yeah.
This was in fucking 2013.
(29:16):
Okay?
We both know about this thing.
They did do DNA testing on thathand, and it proved to be a
black bear.
So if you're going to do aSasquatch DNA project, a genome
project, and one of your biggestexamples has already been proven
to not be whatever it is youthink it is, and you're using
that as a baseline, there's aproblem with your science.
(29:36):
I understand the want tobelieve.
It gets real weird.
So we haven't even gotten toSungbo's biggest contribution to
the world.
In his websites, he skips backto the 90s and the 80s, and then
he goes back to the 2000s andwhat have you.
He has also published a fuck tonof books.
You gotta get the word outthere, right?
I want to send you this video,but it's also an hour and 43
(29:57):
minutes long.
One of his websites has achannel.
Chatbot that keeps asking me ifI have questions.
Do I have questions?
Let me count the ways.
So he does have, by the way,about 10,000 websites.
It's kind of bizarre how manywebsites that he maintains.
And ironically, he does nolonger control his Facebook
(30:22):
page.
It got dinged and he can'taccess it.
Which is like you'd think theone place, right?
In 2015, supposedly, Sunboencountered a Sasquatch for
himself, specifically an elderof their tribe named Elder
Camus.
Not spelled like the philosopherCamus, obviously.
No, it's K-A-M-O-O-H.
(30:43):
Is that right?
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
Have you encountered some of those quotes yet?
Well, I've seen a smattering.
I was actually trying to like dosome more research on the
previous history of a sunbow.
It's hard to find.
If I remember right, I think hewas child psychologist before he
decided to branch out and uh dohis uh sasquatching work.
(31:05):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, his squatching.
Yeah.
His uh prophecies of squatch,squatches.
Yeah, let's see.
Well, he's done a good job oflike telling the story of
himself that he wants out there.
And it kind of seems to startwith him delving into his
shamanic practices of NativeAmerican, indigenous First
Nations, you know, AmericanIndian peoples, and then jumping
(31:28):
from that into like spacebrethren, etc.
etc.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Some of which is a problem, not to overstate the
obvious, but his co-opting ofevery possible indigenous
religion ever as a white dude.
That's a little problematic.
But he claims to have this longcareer, which sure, yeah.
He probably did a lot of reallyinteresting stuff and did a lot
of drugs and went to a lot ofrainbow festivals and probably a
lot of burning bands.
And I know I've seen him do alot of talks.
(31:54):
There's you can watch a lot ofvideos of him on YouTube doing
it, but it's not until 2015 thathe actually claims to have had
an encounter with a Sasquatch.
That is pretty late in the gamefor that.
So Sumbo received andtranscribed messages from an
elder Sasquatch named Camuswhile in British Columbia.
The Sasquatch people ask us, Iguess as the human race, to
(32:19):
disseminate the information asit's a message, this is really
badly written, as it's a messageto the world for each to do our
part to save Earth and then thehuman race.
There's an extra letter in thatwork.
Our Sasquatch elders want to,quote, talk with people in a
powerful decision-makingcapacity because someone must
comprehend all the negativitythat is happening and take the
(32:41):
lead in creating a peaceful andenvironmentally friendly world
for a healthier planet inspirit, mind, and body.
SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
So were they like speaking English?
Or is this a I think it wastelepathic?
Uh-oh, one of those uh soulspeaks.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Yeah, or like pseudo-telepathic, kind of like
Betty and Barney Hill, or likesome of the UFO stuff we talked
about before.
He talks about how uh you know,the Sasquatch were
interdimensional beings whowhich explains well, he kind of
waffles back and forth betweenit being a conspiracy with all
the world's intelligenceagencies covering up the
evidence those things existed,to also being an international
(33:21):
being who are aliens but alsoshare 99% of our DNA somehow,
and that they have messages fromon high about what we're doing
wrong and how we could make itbetter.
On his website, he goes indetail about a lot of his
projects, his some of thedocumentaries that he created
after he met with Eldra Camus,who is essentially Joseph Smith
(33:46):
stuff.
It's also kind of the day theearth stood still, an outside
being coming down from on high,telling us why we're fucking up
and how we could be better andhow we could fix things.
And he's basically built anentire career off of that.
He built so many websites andalso many books based on the
(34:08):
whole thing.
He's kind of propped up at thispoint by the mainstream
Sasquatch investigativecommunity, which includes actual
scientists like we talked aboutwith the Sasquatch Genium
Project.
He claims that he continued toreceive and transcribe messages
from Camu and other Sasquatchelders.
And in 2017, he released asecond book.
(34:28):
I think there are like four now,there are at least three.
And then it gets really weirdbecause there are other people
that believed him and ran othersort of I think if it were any
other type of thing, we justcall them like fan sites, but
who also claim to haveexperienced the same things he
did, like Kelly RainbowButterfly.
Good name.
(34:49):
That's about right.
She said that she read one ofthe channeled messages from
Sasquatch that Sunbo had sharedon Facebook.
Okay, let's isolate thatsentence.
Moment of silence for humanculture.
Internet's a great place.
Man, we had so much promise.
Kelly and Sunbo connected andthey collaborated to publish the
Sasquatch Message to Humanityonline.
(35:11):
After publishing these messagesthat he received from Elder
Camus, quote, they werephenomenal, and many people
requested a hard copy to carryaround and share, and thus began
the process of making themavailable in paperback and ebook
in 2016.
Sunbo continued to receive andtranscribe messages from Camus
and other Sasquatch elders.
Then the second came out.
(35:33):
Kelly was also channelingmessages from several elders and
guided to collaborate with otherSasquatch communicators,
including Sunbo, on theSasquatch Message to Humanity
Book 3, Earth AmbassadorsCooperation, which was published
in May 2018.
This is from the websiteSasquatchMessage.com.
We would like to thank everyonefor their support of Kelly Sunbo
(35:55):
and all the ambassadors of theloving Sasquatch people.
These books have been madepossible due to your love,
support, and search for thetruth.
Capital T.
It is our intent to help othersheal and find their path of
light by sharing this message tohumanity on behalf of the
Sasquatchy collectiveconsciousness.
I think that's a pretty goodplace to end that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:15):
So I do have a couple questions that we didn't
quite get into.
Absolutely.
So it's also my interesting thatthe Sasquatch are also Star
Brothers, right?
They're like Sasquatch.
Okay, so they have ships, or isthis more of like an
consciousness expansion?
SPEAKER_00 (36:34):
I think they manifest.
So based on everything I'veseen, I've never seen anything
where they actually have ship.
We've heard stories about theidea that they might.
Yeah, there's a lot ofconnections between none of that
is in this canon.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Yeah, okay.
Just um some of some like the deI'm I'm sure we'd have to read
these books and get into itbecause there's a lot of space
brother fluff that's floatingaround.
Any hard elements of the story.
I was also looking at some ofthe stuff in the in the
Sasquatch message to humanity,they have details of the hidden
history of the planet, thepre-human sagas of the fish,
(37:07):
ant, and lizard people, and howthe Sasquatch and are our elder
brothers who came just before usbefore the dawn of humanity.
So that paired with theSasquatch is 99% human.
So are we derived from theSasquatch elders then?
That's right.
Or are we parallel evolved?
SPEAKER_00 (37:28):
But I mean, if there's Sasquatch elders and
that So my feeling throughlooking through all of this, and
I think you might agree with meon this, that looking through
all of it, they're they'retrying to do mysticism that they
can roughly and vaguely justifywith real science, that they
know that there were severalspecies of hominids, that you
(37:49):
know, Neanderthals existed, uh,there are other species of human
that existed, that it isn't it'snot a one directly evolved into
the other, it's a it's aparallel species thing, and then
sometimes interbreed or whathave you.
So that the the Sasquatch eldersare separate but related, but
also we evolved from themspiritually.
(38:11):
Right.
Let's say existentially.
SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
I think perhaps it's best summed up by a quote.
Thank you, Goodreads, or thesociopaths who are putting the
quotes of these books onGoodreads.
What we want to emphasizeoverall is the need for your
human people, H and Pcapitalized, to reconnect with
the wisdom of your soul,capitalized, and realign with
the intelligence of your heart,reactivate your genetic star
(38:36):
seeds and soul capitalizedmemories, recover your psychic
abilities and evolvecollectively into a higher
spiritual consciousness.
Wow.
Quote again from the SasquatchMessage to Humanity,
conversations with Elder Camus.
When the ant people rebuilt theactual moon, we see they made it
(38:57):
of similar proportions to thefirst natural moon that had been
destroyed, but they devised itto be 400 times smaller than the
sun and set it 400 times closerso that it would fit perfectly
its diameter during eclipses.
This coded message for anyintelligence was to remember the
ant people as the firstcivilization on Earth.
It explains why this perfectratio is nowhere else found to
(39:21):
be in our solar system, nor inany other.
I mean, I mean we're all toldthat before we go to bed every
night.
SPEAKER_00 (39:27):
That's that's science.
Alright.
That's science right there.
Yeah, the these vague wideswaths of statements, the these
sort of general uh hand wavingsof things that don't really seem
to mean anything.
Yeah, I mean, because like wecould we could go down and break
down why that doesn't makesense, but I mean, really, it
should just be intuitive, but II mean I guess it's not.
(39:49):
Yeah, ant people somehow whatwhat are they crawled into
space?
SPEAKER_01 (39:55):
I we do need more information about the ant people
and the fish people and thelizard people.
I agree.
Release the ant people files.
unknown (40:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:07):
Alright, enough with Epstein.
Let's get the fish peopledocuments, alright?
SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
I need the lizard people files today.
Our government is complicit.
SPEAKER_01 (40:19):
Man, I could do so many of these, but you know,
let's just end it like this.
Okay.
When the individual soul'semotional experience reaches
empathy and compassion, theirconsciousness starts to
understand intelligence and thespiritual meaning of life.
I think we can all put that inour pocket and get on with our
day.
(40:39):
Those are words to live by.
I mean, there are there areworse words.
You know, there's true.
There's a lot of stuff in thisthat obviously we don't buy
into, but there can be positive,you know, life-affirming
spiritual messages that helpguide you through your
day-to-day and your interactionswith others that can be
(41:01):
beneficial for both yourself andthose around you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:04):
In the end, it just kind of reminds me of Donnie
Darko.
You know what?
Sunbo seems like a cool dude.
I'd probably roll my eyes a fewtimes, but I'd just share a
spliff with him and maybe a tripwith him or whatever.
It does sound like he's a Trumpsupporter, though.
SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
So Oh, he does?
I think so.
I if I remember right, there'sstuff that the Sasquatch elders
were like uh guiding Trump andthey were hoping that Trump
would win to like help bringabout the next level of
consciousness.
That's the biggest problem withall this stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
Do you like have fun, believe in whatever you
want to believe, like you don'thurt anybody?
But at some point, even duringthe narratives that he creates
and other people tangentiallyhave created around the things
that he believes, eventually youget into some weird neo-Nazi
dialogue.
Even during some of this stuff,you could see where they would
(41:57):
where some people would go fromwhat they're talking about to
vrill, to Arians, to the lizardpeople, to it can be a slippery
slope.
SPEAKER_01 (42:08):
It's easy to diverge into those things, especially
when you're doing hiddenhistories, everyone's lying to
you, there's a conspiracy.
It can be a dark path that leadsyou away from karmic intuitions
and you know empathy with yourfellow man.
I was like, how do you get fromfrom like these positive
starseed galactic communionbrotherhood messages to, well, I
(42:32):
need orange man to hunt downbrown people.
SPEAKER_00 (42:35):
Let's say you're in, I don't know, central or
northern California and you'rehanging out and you're sharing a
spliff with some dude at somebonfire, and he seems like a
really nice guy, probablyintends to be a nice guy,
completely, you know, innocentmeaning, and then it, you know,
they start talking aboutstarseeds, and then that
eventually just kind of devolvesinto fucking eugenics, and
you're like, okay, whoa, holdon, hold on a second, wait,
(42:56):
what?
And then when they when theytalk about the lizard peep or
other kind of conspiracies likethat, well, you know, they mean
Jews, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
You can get that that perspective with the trippy
circle in the woods, but you canalso go to your major political
leaders who essentially like,well, yeah, we kind of want the
Jews to take back their homelandso that they can start the war,
and we all of the us good peoplewho believe will get teleported
(43:26):
into spaceland before the deviltakes over the the earth and
sends everybody to hell.
SPEAKER_00 (43:32):
I don't believe in horseshoe theory except in this
instance.
You go apart and then youeventually meet not quite in the
middle, but close to the samelevel.
Because you can have fuckingcrunchy, uh liberal, fucking
even leftist like moms who noware super anti-vex and are
talking about Jewish spacelasers.
And it's sad because this stuffused to be fun.
(43:55):
Yeah.
You know, when there was like anagreed upon Nazis were bad, this
stuff is interesting, the worldused to be way more fun.
Like how country music, popcountry music, and mainstream
hip hop they're such opposites.
And then somehow they comearound in the middle at some
point to meet to make honky donkbedonkadonk.
(44:16):
It's it's you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
It's so weird.
I was literally driving in thecar just the other day, and I
heard two or three songs, andthey were all like blends of
country and rap.
And I was like, is this justwhat music has evolved into?
All of them had elements of youknow, like synthesizers and
these pop vocals behind countrysinging and uh rhythms, and then
(44:42):
rap interludes.
It is just omni music that thatis one.
SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
It's a it's a bizarre phenomenon because it's
not a monoculture, but itpresents as a monoculture.
Maybe it's a whole differentworld, whole different
landscape.
Oh, maybe it's all money.
What do you know?
SPEAKER_01 (45:02):
Maybe it is how it always has been.
The new boss is the same as theold boss.
Or there's Space Brothers thatare Sasquatch from here, but
also the fourth dimensionalconsciousness.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Are they the Fatelli brothers or are they the Scoleri
brothers?
SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
I think much like uh Sunbo True Brother, we have also
lost the plot at this point.
SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
Oh, big time.
I this fried my brain so much.
I don't even more so, I think,than the law of one, because
that one at least was like somesort of faux cohesive
philosophy.
I mean, if you go to like one ofhis websites, they're like,
these are our sister or brotherwebsites, and they're like 15 of
them, and they all have theirown tangent websites, and you're
(45:49):
like, okay, there's like theSasquatch Family Reunion, that's
a website.
I it doesn't end, it just goeson and on and on and on, and
it's mostly the same people.
I'm on Sasquatch FamilyReunion.com right now, honoring
all life, healing ourselves, andco-creating a regenerative
(46:10):
earth.
They have an event coming up, anactual Sasquatch Family Reunion
in Kettle Falls, Washington, May28th to June 2nd, 2026.
So your tickets now, folks.
Book your tickets now.
That one was founded by KellyRainbow Butterfly.
SPEAKER_01 (46:27):
Oh, I don't that might be going in the same time
as the Juggalo event, and I canonly choose one.
I don't oof oof.
SPEAKER_00 (46:37):
Well, and after after the Burning Man orgy tent
collapsed, I don't know that Ireally want to venture into this
territory, but I heard aboutthat.
SPEAKER_01 (46:48):
Isn't that during like the dust storm?
Yeah, it blew it down.
Oh, it it definitely blew itdown, alright.
Yeah, it definitely blew, that'sfor sure.
Well, we we hope that thispodcast didn't blow for you all.
Jesus Christ.
It just You mean Jesus Christ,the space brother of the hairy
kind?
Fellow Sasquatch, Jesus Christ.
I'm sure they have to mentionJesus somewhere in there, and
(47:11):
I'm fascinated to know what theywould say about it, but you know
what?
That is for you all to do yourown research.
Let the internet take you placesthat you don't want to go and
see what you find.
Don't tell them that.
Well, it's what we all endure.
We're all in the same boat, andit's all falling off a cliff of
(47:31):
a flat earth.
Indeed, it is.
But until we all crash down toour demise, we hope that you
have enjoyed the podcast andkeep listening.
Check back for next episode.
If you wouldn't mind liking,sharing, subscribing, and maybe
even rating us on the favoritepodcast app of your choice.
Ideally, five Elder SpaceBrothers of the Harry Kind on
(47:53):
Apple Podcasts.
That's the best way for us toget heard and thus seen, and
spread our uh multi-levelmarketing pod cult to all that
uh we deem worthy.
Um and we we do want to thankyou for listening.
We always have a great timemaking these, and we hope that
you have a great time listening.
(48:14):
Uh, we hope you come back.
But until that day, SpaceBrother skip, what should they
do?
SPEAKER_00 (48:20):
Well, I would like to first say that we as a
podcast are trying to bridgeearth wisdom, spirit, spiritual
ecology, and heart-centeredcommunity, first and foremost.
That having been said, what ourfans should do is make sure they
flame to after themselves tosome sort of reasonable degree,
(48:41):
make sure they pay their weightstaff, their bartenders, their
KJs, and what have you, makesure they support their local
comic shops and retailers, andonce again, from Dismay Jacks,
we would both like to sayGodspeed for wizards.
You are all starseeds.
That's a Wookiee!
SPEAKER_01 (49:02):
Are workies not Starseed brothers as well?
SPEAKER_00 (49:05):
Are they not our brothers?
Uh yeah.
Does a Wookiee not bleed?
Do you shoot him first?
SPEAKER_01 (49:12):
Is he not greedo?
Will will he not reach his uhfurry hand in your tent?
SPEAKER_03 (49:20):
The sasquatch are uh definitely not animals or
primitive, very evolvedpsychically, and so they are
something else than whatcryptozoologists, for instance,
even uh anthropologists.
It took me over 30 years tolearn and understand that the
sasquatch are third dimensionalbeings.
(49:43):
There's different types ofsasquatch though.
Just because of so many millionyears of evolution, as well on
different planets, has giventhem a range of uh genetics.
Well they are further hairy fromhead to toe, they are taller
than us in general, but thereare also some that are smaller.
(50:06):
The Sasquatch have kept incontact with the star people,
which more precisely the StarElders, the Council of Star
Elders, because there's allkinds of people in the universe,
but there are some elders whoserole is to maintain balance and
watch over the world.
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