January 8, 2025 • 32 mins
Join us as we recount the strange and captivating story of Antônio Vias Boas. His strange case predated many of the iconic abduction narratives we know today, including the well-known experiences of Betty and Barney Hill and Travis Walton. But it's Boas's bewildering rendezvous with an egg-shaped craft and enigmatic beings that truly sets his tale apart, yet also sets the stage for UFO encounters for decades to come.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
An educational video hosted by Charlie Sheen
revealing is there life on Mars?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just.
And then they just ask DavidBowie.
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Yes, gentlemen, let's broaden our minds.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Are they in the proper approach pattern for
today?
Negative.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hold the weapon Now.
All right, skip, I heard youwant to hear about Demdare
aliens, is that?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
right, that is true.
I would like to know who'sprobing me anally.
This is something that I'vebeen wrestling with.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Look in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh man, if I do this to myself in my sleep, there's a
serious problem.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Or a serious solution .
No, the dog star is serious.
That's what I meant by that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I was thinking more of like that James Wan movie.
Oh, malevolent, malevolent,yeah, but instead of a face in
the back of your head.
It's it's just cramming shit upher ass the whole time.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know what?
I'd watch that.
So we are still continuing ourlook into the skies and into the
ether for more interestingstories of what is out there and
perhaps coming into here.
Skip the history, quote-unquote, of alien abduction is varied
and colorful and couldtheoretically go back hundreds
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of years.
But that conversation about thesimilarities between fairies,
old hags, trickster entities,hypnagogia, sleep, paralysis and
incubus, succubus encounters,that is for a different day and
a different pod.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Absolutely.
Last time we did talk about howthe Nuremberg UFO sighting was
a thing, and that was what 500years ago?
Mm-hmm yeah, but not in theother old wives' tale folklore
stuff but straight up UFOsfighting each other in the sky.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Or maybe they're Vimanas.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
They weren't sun dogs .
I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
In our modern view the layman might point to in
your mind, what do you think ofas like the first alien
encounters or alien abductions,particular, what kind of jumps
to mind?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
The Benny and Barney Hill cases are probably the most
famous, the most immediate,that are well documented.
That was September 19th 1961.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think other ones that kind of come to people's
mind are Travis Walton, those1975, or even Whitley Stryver's
Communion that came out in 1987for stories that happened
obviously before that, but noneof these are considered the
earliest modern abduction, Withmany of the are considered the
earliest modern abduction withmany of the hallmarks of the
abduction phenomenon yearsbefore such accounts were
recounted, let alone popularized, in culture.
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Now, this is the story of aBrazilian farmer who reported an
abduction back in October 15th1957.
This is the story of AntônioVias Boas.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Very cool.
Brazilians have their own UFOhistory.
They deal with a lot ofunidentified submerged objects
as well as UFO encounters.
They are rich with history ofUFOs.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So before he was abducted, just to lay out a
little bit of the scene, thiswas a young 23-year-old man.
He was living on his family'sfarm and he and his brother they
would work at night, try andbeat the heat, so they would try
to do their yard work duringthe evening.
And on October 5th was thefirst weirdness that happened in
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1957.
Boersch said that he spotted abright light in the sky as he
opened his window for some air.
After sleeping, he woke up withthe same light moving towards
him.
As he looked at it, boish wasscared and showed his brother,
who looked in awe as the brightlight danced through the
shutters, for leaving on theirfarm.
Now, like I said, this is, youknow, about 9-10 days before the
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actual abduction happened,which is what we will get into
now.
Boish was working.
At 10 pm His brother and hewere tilling out in the fields
and they saw a bright light 300feet above their heads.
They said he left his brotherto check it out and when he got
close it zoomed back and forthand as soon as he got close, no
less than 20 times, he gave upeventually, you know, trying to
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get close to this weird lightand it disappeared.
The next night Boers wasworking alone and then a reddish
light came right up on top ofhim so quickly that it was on
top of me before I could make upmy mind what to do.
The light was intense, sointense that he couldn't see his
own tractor lights in the deadof night.
The craft was a large, elong,elongated, egg-shaped with three
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legs that extended beneath it.
Now Borch said that he was onhis tractor and tried to get
away on his tractor from thiscraft, but then the lights died.
The engine just died.
It wouldn't go.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
The tractor died.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You get a lot of reports of automotives.
You know when craft come.
You know it kills allelectronics.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's an internal combustion engine, so that's.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Hey man, they don't work with our physics man.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, alright, I don't know I can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So the craft then kind of settled down and began
to land.
Like I said, bowers ran to histractor in terror.
When he reached it, the tractorand the lights died.
So he reached it, the tractorand the lights died.
So he tried making his escapeto the other side and running
towards a house when his arm wasgrabbed by what he said was a
small figure he said it onlyreached about his shoulder
height In strange clothes, whichhe violently shoved away.
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Three more small figuressurrounded him and lifted him
off the ground by the arms andlifted him off the ground by the
arms.
Now, boers described these astypical greys that are kind of
common in other abductions.
They had grey suits with large,rounded eyeglasses, three
silvery tubes protruding outover their heads, small figures
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about one and a half meters tall, with shoes, and they said they
communicated with strangesounds not producible by humans,
kind of like animal grunts.
So I kind of think of, maybelike tin the tool man, taylor
aliens not producible by humans.
Sure, yes, no human could dothat yeah, yeah, they had very
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tight fitting siren suits madeof soft, thick, uneven, unevenly
striped gray material.
The garment reached right up totheir necks where it was joined
to a kind of helmet made out ofgray material that looked
stiffer and was strengthenedback at the nose level.
Their helmets hide everythingexcept their eyes, which were
protected by two round glasseslike lenses in ordinary glasses.
Through them, the men looked atme and their eyes seemed to be
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much smaller than ours, though Ibelieve that maybe they
affected the lenses.
All of them had light-coloredeyes that looked blue to me, but
this I cannot vouch for.
Above their eyes, those helmetslooked so tall that they
corresponded to what the doubleof size of a normal man's head
should be.
Probably there was somethingelse hidden under those helmets,
placed on top of their heads,but nothing could be seen from
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the outside.
Right on top, from the middleof their head, there sprouted
three round silvery metal tubesI can't tell whether they were
made of metal or rubber whichwere a little narrower than a
common garden hose.
The tubes which were placed,one in the middle and one on
each side of the head weresmooth and bent backward and
downward toward the back.
There they fitted into theirclothes how I cannot say, but
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one went down their center wherethe backbone is, and the other
two on each side fitted underthe shoulders about four inches
from their armpits, nearly attheir sides where the back
begins.
I didn't notice anything at all, no hump or lump to show where
the tubes attached, nor any boxor contrivance hidden under
their clothes.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That just sounds like a tiny bane.
I want you to come with me.
No, the comic book version withthe venom and everything, oh,
why can't it be this bane fromspace?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Their sleeves were narrow and tight-fitted to the
wrists, where they followed bythick five-fingered gloves of
the same color that must havesomewhat hindered their
movements.
As to this, I noticed that themen weren't able to double their
fingers all together so as totouch the palms of their hands
with the tips of their fingers.
The difficulty did not preventthem from catching and holding
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me firmly, nor from deftlymanipulating the rubber tubes
for extracting my blood.
Those overalls must have been akind of uniform for all.
The members of the crew wore ared badge the size of a
pineapple slice on their chest.
Sometimes it reflected a shinylight, not a light of its own,
but a reflection such as thosegiven by the rear lights of a
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car when another car lights itup from behind.
From the center badge therecame a strip of silvery metal or
it might have been flattenedmetal which joined onto a broad,
tight-fitting collapses belt,the color of which I can't
remember.
He remembers so much else, buthe can't remember that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, it's so specific.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
No pocket could be seen anywhere.
You know, I don't know wherethey're going to put their pokes
and prodder instruments, and Idon't remember seeing any
buttons either.
The trousers were alsotight-fitting over the buttocks.
Yes, they were Thighs and legs,as there was not a wrinkle or
crease to be seen.
There was no visible hembetween the trousers and shoes,
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which were actually acontinuation of the former,
being part of the self-samegarment.
The soles of the shoes, whichwere different from ours.
They were thick about two orthree inches and a little turned
up or arched up in front, sothat the tips looked like those
describing in fairy tales of old, though the general appearance
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is that of a common tennis shoe,okay.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, I'm getting some Sandown Clown vibes here.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, just wait, oh boy.
From what I saw later, theymust have fitted loosely, for
they were larger than the feetthey covered.
In spite of this, the men'sgait was free and easy and their
movements were swift indeed.
Perhaps the closed siren suitthey wore did interfere slightly
with their movements, becausethey kept walking very stiffly.
Like I said, they're all aboutone and one and a half to 1.6
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meters tall in shoes, mind you,perhaps a little shorter because
of those helmets, except forone of them, the one who had
caught hold of me out there.
This one did not even reach mychin.
All seemed strong, but not sostrong that, had I fought with
one of them at any time, Ishould have been afraid of
losing.
I believe that in afree-for-all fight I could face
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any single one of them on anequal base.
Yeah, it's alien fight club.
That's what he's dreaming ofHell yeah.
All right Enough with theuniforms, it's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Let's throw down.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
At this point.
While resisting as best hecould, boash found himself being
pulled up a flexible metallicrolling ladder into a hatchway,
which closed behind them soleniently that no scene was
visible to the naked eye.
Then he found himself in asmall square room.
It had no furnishings but wasbrightly lit he said kind of the
same light as broad daylightRecessed square lights in smooth
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metallic walls.
Suddenly, an opening appearedfrom the seamless wall and Boish
was led into another room.
There, the only furnishingsthat were visible was an oddly
shaped table that stood at oneside of the room, surrounded by
several backless swivel chairs,something like bar stools.
They were all made of the samewhite material.
The table, as well as thestools, were one-legged,
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narrowing toward the floor,where they were either fixed,
such as the table to it, orlinked to a movable ring held
fast by three hinges, jettingout of each side, and riveted to
the floor, such as the stools,so that the sitting on them
could turn in every direction.
His abductors then grabbed andheld him in place, while
communicating in sounds thatagain had no resemblance
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whatever to human speech.
I can think of no attempt todescribe those sounds.
So distinctly Different werethey from anything I've ever
heard before.
Those sounds still make meshiver when I think of them.
It isn't even possible for meto reproduce them.
My vocal organs are not madefor it.
Again, he compares the soundsto animal grunts, some longer,
others shorter, sometimescontaining several different
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sounds at the same time, atother times ending in a tremor.
These creatures then beganundressing him, despite his
constant opposition to this.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, I'm sure he fought real hard.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They obviously couldn't understand me, but they
stopped and stared at me as ifthey were trying to make me
understand that they were beingpolite.
Besides, though, they had toemploy force, they never at any
time hurt me badly, and they didnot even tear my clothes, with
the exception of my shirt,perhaps Stripped naked naked.
They then rubbed all over hisbody a clear, odorless liquid,
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and then he was prompted intoanother room with red
inscriptions over the door.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
He said they were like scribbles, of a kind
entirely unknown to us so theythey rubbed him down with lube
and sent him into a room with abig light saying come fuck this
dude.
That's essentially what'shappening right now right Hot
alien action.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
This way is what the sign said.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Soon, two of the figures joined him carrying
apparatuses, which they tooksome blood from his chin,
leaving a small scars that werelater noticed by the doctors at
the hospital.
That caused him no pain andonly minimal discomfort.
But this is where the room getsgood.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh, the movie the Room.
You're my favorite customer.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So Antonio then says he was left alone for about an
hour and made himselfcomfortable on a large,
featureless foam, rubber-likegray bed or couch in the middle
of the room.
It had no legs, he said.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Somebody took it to a swingers club.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
From holes in the wall.
From about the height of hishead came.
From glory holes about the sizeof his head came this gray
smoke that was piped in andquickly dissolved Cock smoke.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh, this place is full of it, bowers said.
At first he felt kind ofnauseous from the smoke, and
then he began feeling suffocated.
He rushed to one corner of theroom and vomited, and after that
his breathing became a littleeasier.
A little while later a dooropened and in walked a naked
alien woman.
Some have thought that theliquid or even the smoke might
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have been some type ofaphrodisiac, or maybe that the
smoke allowed the alien woman tobreathe without her helmet.
We really don't know.
She came in slowly, unheardly,perhaps a little amused at the
amazement she saw was written onmy face.
I stared open mouth.
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She was beautiful, though of adifferent type of beauty
compared with the women I haveknown.
Her hair was blonde, nearlywhite, almost like dyed hair
with peroxide.
It was smooth, not very thick,with a part in the center, and
she had big, big blue eyes,rather longer than round, for
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they slanted outward like thosepencil-drawn girls made to look
like Arabian princesses thatlook as if they were slit,
except that they were natural.
There was no makeup.
Her nose was straight, notpointed, not turned up, nor too
big.
The contour of her face wasdifferent, though, because she
had very high, prominentcheekbones, they made her face
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narrow to a peak so that all ofa sudden it ended with a pointed
chin.
Her lips were very thin, nearlyinvisible in fact.
Her ears, which I only sawlater, were small and did not
seem different from ordinaryears.
Her high cheekbones gave oneimpression that there was a
broken bone somewhere underneath, but as I discovered later,
they were soft and fleshy to thetouch, so they did not seem to
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be made of bone.
Her body was much morebeautiful than any I had ever
seen before.
It was slim and her breastsstood up high and well separated
.
Her waistline was thin, herbelly flat, her hips well
developed, perhaps evenchildbearing, and her thighs
were large.
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Her feet were small.
Her, her thighs were large, herfeet were small.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Her hands, long and narrow, her fingers and nails
were normal.
She was much shorter than I am.
Her head only reached myshoulder.
Her skin was white, that of afair woman here, and she was
full of freckles on her arms.
I didn't notice any perfume,except for maybe a natural
female odor.
And another thing I noticed washer hair and her armpits was
bright red, near the color ofblood, as was her hair down
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there.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, well, you're in my wheelhouse now.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He says that the woman came toward him in silence
, looking at me all the while,as if she wanted something from
me, Pressing herself to him.
He understood what her purposewas.
I began to get excited.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I ended up forgetting everything and held the woman
close to me, corresponding toher favors with greater ones of
my own.
That's right.
They laid down on the couch bedthing and had sexual
intercourse.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, you are squirming a lot, jake, I'll just
put that out.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They performed a variety of acts together for
about an hour.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Wow, the stamina.
It's Anna Taylor Joy, by theway.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
After the two had had their sexual encounter, she
pulled away.
All they wanted was a goodstallion to improve their stock.
He thought.
He said he enjoyed theencounter and even though the
woman refused to kiss him.
Apparently, instead of kissingshe would go to his chin and
bite at it and nibble at it,while making sounds that, in
both's mind, sounded like animalgrowls.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, did he fuck a dog?
He might have fucked a dog.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
She never spoke.
When they were finished, one ofthe creatures entered and
called out to the woman.
Come here girl Come here girl.
But before leaving she lookedback at him.
She pointed to her belly andsmilingly then pointed to the
sky.
Then she went away.
I interpreted the sign asmeaning to say that she intended
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to return and take me with herto wherever she lived.
He seemed to be concerned, oreven afraid, for as he took the
meaning quite seriously andwasn't sure if he was anxious to
leave the familiar surroundingsof his family.
Then, after fetching the woman,the creature returned Boash's
clothing.
He was led back to a room withstools and table where the crew
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sat and communicated with eachother in their strange way, kind
of just ignoring him.
He felt altogether calm, for Iknew no harm would come to me.
Now he had a chance to take inhis surroundings and he tried to
remember everything he could.
He noticed that the walls weresmooth, metal and hard and no
windows anywhere.
He noticed a box with a glasstop that kind of looked like an
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alarm clock and he tried toswipe it and conceal it.
I guess it's kind of smart, ifyou're on an alien ship, to snag
something and prove where youwere.
Oh hell yeah, but he was foundout and one of the crew members
seized it instantly and shovedhim back.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If you're going to do this on a table, we have to be
underneath watching.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
The creatures continued to lead him through
the ship, pointing out variousinteresting features which Boers
described at length with aremarkable amount of detail.
Boers stressed that there wasno doubt in his mind whatsoever
that he was aboard a metal craft.
The tour finally over, one ofthe figures, gestured him down
the ladder and pointed to itself, to the ground and then in a
southerly direction, in the sky,the same direction the woman
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had pointed.
Boers was signaled to step back, the ladder retracted and the
ship rose.
Tripod landing struts retractedonce again so that, once in
place, no sign of the openingwas even visible, and stopped a
little over a hundred feet abovehis head.
It got increasingly brighter,the buzz formed, the dislocation
of air grew louder and therevolving saucer began to rotate
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at a terrific speed, while thelight turned to many shades of
color, finally settling on abright red.
As this happened, the machineabruptly changed direction by
turning unexpectedly andproducing a large noise, a kind
of shock.
When this was over, the strangeairship darted off suddenly
like a bullet southward, holdingitself slightly askew, at such
a heady speed that itdisappeared from sight in a few
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seconds.
It now was about 5.30 in themorning when Boish returned to
his tractor.
By his reckoning, four and aquarter hours had elapsed.
He discovered the tractor hadbeen sabotaged.
They were smart enough to knowthat he would try escaping and
that they had knowledge of how atractor works.
They had detached the batterywires.
Boish did not leave thisparticular encounter unscathed.
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He had many various medicalailments that lingered with him
for months afterwards.
Boish seemed to be sufferingfrom radiation poisoning, with
symptoms of body pains, nausea,headaches, loss of appetite,
constant burning sensation inthe eyes, cutaneous lesions at
the slightest of light, bruising, which went on appearing for
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months, that looked like smallred bumps, harder than the skin
around it and protuberant,painful when touched, each with
a small central orifice withyellow discharge.
The skin wounds showed ahyperchromatic, violent tinged
area.
Bowers was also subjected tophysical and psychological tests
.
Later on he also experiencedexcessive sleepiness, a trait
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commonly found in subsequentabduction cases.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It sounds a lot like Rendlesham.
I mean very similar to medicalailments that come after that.
Yeah, I mean there similar tomedical ailments that come after
that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, I mean there's quite a few stories out there of
people having encounters withUFOs and or alien beings and
having many things, especiallyradiation, burns and poisoning.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
How do you explain that?
I mean, that part is reallyhard to rationalize.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That is one of those elements if it's to be believed.
I mean again, a lot of thiswasn't even looked at for months
afterward, so you know it couldhave been from something else.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, but radiation poisoning.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
A lot of the accounts say the appearance like the
symptoms are similar to that ofradiation poisoning, but I don't
think it was ever officiallydiagnosed by a physician.
That is my understanding.
So in 1957, a Brazilian writernamed Jao Martins penned the
first installment of a seriestitled Flying Saucers Terrible
Mission for the magazine OCruzeiro.
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There he described cases ofpeople at isolated places
attacked by small alien beings,one being a case from 1954 of
two Venezuelan teenagers whoclaimed to have stumbled upon a
spaceship in the woods neartheir village.
Of two Venezuelan teenagers whoclaimed to have stumbled upon a
spaceship in the woods neartheir village, small hairy
aliens attacked them and injuredone of the boys before they
were able to beat the creaturesback using an unloaded rifle as
a club and escape to safety.
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This is one of the cases thathe published.
Martins also asked his readersto write him with their own
experiences.
Among hundreds of responses heselected one of a young farmer
from Minas Gerais with whom heexchanged several letters that
next year.
Martins paid for the23-year-old farmer to come to
Rio de Janeiro where he wasexamined by Dr Olavo Fontes.
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That farmer and his story wasAntonio Villas-Boas, and his
story was the one that waspublished.
Dr Fontes sent a detailedreport about Villas-Boas' case
to the Aerial Phenomena ResearchOrganization, but they decided
it was too fantastic to publish.
Nevertheless, the storycirculated between experts for
quite a while.
Eventually, that story got out.
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Walter Buehler of the Brazilianufology group Sbedv, s-b-e-d-v,
and a follower of theself-described alien contactee
George Adamski, learned aboutWiesbos story and in 1962,
buehler visited the young farmerin his hometown.
The group subsequentlypublished a report on the
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Wiesbos case in English and theaccount aligned with Adamski's
earlier descriptions of aliensand their spaceship.
In January 1965, aninternational journal called the
Flying Saucer Review reproducedBuehler's report worldwide.
Now, one of the things that ledpeople to believe that it has
to be true is that a lot ofpeople had this fairly racist
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notion that a poor farmer withvery little education he
couldn't possibly come up withthis.
It has to be true.
One, that's pretty effingracist.
Two, he did go on to become alawyer, so it's not as though he
was unschooled.
And three, anybody can come upwith a story and anybody can
have something happen to them.
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None of these are mutuallyexclusive concepts.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
After that incident incident he reported
experiencing nightmares andhaunted by flashbacks of his
experience, probably for most ofhis life.
Despite becoming a lawyer, hismental state had deteriorated
and he exhibited mental symptomssuch as anxiety, depression and
distress.
Hey, join the club.
He married and had fourchildren.
He stuck to his story for therest of his life.
He'd had a little bit of fame,but he didn't write his own book
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or anything.
This was long before going ontelevision programs.
He just stuck by a story untilhe passed away in 1991.
Kind of the anti-WoodyDerenberger.
Yeah, and I mean again, doesthat lead anybody to believe his
story is stronger than others?
I don't know, but I think it'salways a sign in the right
direction when you're not tryingto use it for fame and fortune.
Well, others, I don't know, butI think it's always a sign in
the right direction when you'renot trying to use it for fame
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and fortune.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well, yeah, I mean, Betty and Barney Hill didn't
want fame and fortune.
In fact, their lives wereruined by the whole scenario.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So there's a lot of elements of the story where it's
kind of like ah, did he getthis?
You know, one assume that heread that story of the
Venezuelan boys and some otherstories from the magazine that
then he wrote in about his ownstory.
So maybe he took some flightsof fancy and made it up.
There's also the weird landinglegs elements, things like that.
But there were no abductioncases in popular culture before
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this point.
This is the first major case ofalien abduction and it had that
sexual element, thathybridization element way back
which we have touched on yeahthese are all things that have
become nigh ubiquitous withinalien abduction stories.
after that, again, there's a lotof eccentricities to the story,
lots of differences, but thereare a lot of core elements.
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So I mean you can't make aclaim one way or the other, but
it is interesting.
That's why I pointed it out.
He wasn't necessarily drawingoff of anything that had come
before.
You know he hadn't seen anX-Files episode.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, this was new.
Yep, there was nobody in BarneyHill yet.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That was not for years later.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Brazil is a hotbed for that kind of activity.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It is really curious we had talked about you know a
lot of like these elements comefrom.
You know there's a certaindomino effect, one might say,
and this is at least a casewhere there doesn't seem to be
any dominoes.
He would have been making thisstuff up almost whole cloth.
Which doesn't yeah, doesn'treally make a lot of sense,
maybe.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Maybe, but no, I mean , it doesn't make a lot of sense
that he would just come up withall of these tropes that would
come up later just out of HulkLaw.
I'm not discrediting him.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
A lot of people know about Betty Barney Hill or
Travis Walton or those type ofthings, absolutely.
But, not a lot of people knowabout VS Boas and the fact that
his case happened so muchearlier than those and the fact
that his case happened so muchearlier than those.
But it took a long time to getout and spread and just never
got the type of acclaim thatthose did.
But it is kind of a progenitorof a lot of and really a
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bellwether for what would becomestandard fare.
I mean, there's a lot of stuffin there you don't get.
You don't get like little tubesfrom their helmets or whatnot,
the weird red light things ontheir chests.
You know, having saucy sex withthe platinum haired fire crotch
.
Not enough, at least Not enough.
(27:52):
I mean I could try and findmore saucy.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We can find some.
It's probably not real, but wecan find it.
That is absolutely fascinating.
Yeah, I'm really glad youbrought that one up.
That is a really, reallyinteresting case study.
Yeah, so that is that.
I think that fits exactly intowhat we're trying to talk about
when it comes to UFO phenomenon,alien abduction encounters.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
That was a good show.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The TV show.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That's so fucked up, literally.
I was about to say that thatwas a good show, the TV show.
I was going to say yes, no,that's so fucked up, literally.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I was about to say that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It was a good show, though.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I shouldn't have paused.
I did.
It was like which is exactlywhere we are?
Ufo encounter experiences.
I think sometimes we can be.
I'm not actually dismissive.
It's more that if we want totalk about things like this, I
would rather be able todefinitively discount the
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criticism if we're going to runwith it.
You know what I mean.
Like I would rather come fromthe skeptical side that says,
well, we have eliminated theobvious terrestrial explanations
for it, because otherwise ourcredibility, just as believers
or even just skeptics, suffers.
(29:11):
So no, I'm not pessimistic, Iam not cynical about it.
I would rather just eliminatethe possibilities that can be
explained and when we get towhere we cannot explain them now
, we can actually talk aboutthem in a way that we can
speculate and evaluate thesethings on their surface.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I wanted one that had a sexy angle to it, you know
.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Hell yeah.
Yeah, that wasn't gross likethat.
Harvest one yeah yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I mean, he didn't ask to get taken to a ship by a
bunch of aliens who wereprobably watching through the
peepholes as he banked late, buthe seemed to enjoy himself.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, sure yeah, it wasn't a bunch of assy McGee's
impregnating women.
I mean better.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Oh, Assie McGee's.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's kind of what that was.
That was a messed up story.
Lord knows what happened to her, Whether her accounts are
completely accurate or not.
Just I hope she finds solacesomehow yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And even though he had some sexy times Vyashboas,
like I said, he had issues thatstemmed for months and years.
Sure, both physical andpsychological.
So F off aliens.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, cut it out.
It's like a dog that jumps upon your lap constantly.
Get the fuck, just get down.
Just sit down, tim Allen, getout of here.
Get the fuck out of my garage.
Why aren't you in prison?
Oh, you're a narc, I get it.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, we'll be back with some interesting wild.
Perhaps zany, probably a littleless of that, a little more,
hmm.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
We might do some zany ones, but hopefully not.
Ufo cases make you say hmm, Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Man funk that.
Why is it every time I getabducted by aliens?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
See aliens be like no , we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Aliens, they're short , short men Well.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm just saying that hurts really tall Anyway we hope
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So until we fly up into the sky, skip, what should they do?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Like R Kelly Piss.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Down from on high as we urinate on our fan base.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
That's my favorite ELO album that is one of the
better ones.
Our fans, or at least justlisteners, should tip your
waitstaff.
You tip your bartenders, yourKJs and what have yous.
Make sure you've cleaned upafter yourself to some sort of
reasonable degree and don'tforget to support your local
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And from Dispatch Ajax, Jackand I would both like to say
Godspeed, fair wizards, anddon't get abducted.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Don't get abducted.
Please go away.
An educational video hosted by Charlie Sheen
revealing is there life on Mars?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just.
And then they just ask DavidBowie.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yes, gentlemen, let's broaden our minds.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Are they in the proper approach pattern for
today?
Negative.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hold the weapon Now.
All right, skip, I heard youwant to hear about Demdare
aliens, is that?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
right, that is true.
I would like to know who'sprobing me anally.
This is something that I'vebeen wrestling with.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Look in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh man, if I do this to myself in my sleep, there's a
serious problem.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Or a serious solution .
No, the dog star is serious.
That's what I meant by that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I was thinking more of like that James Wan movie.
Oh, malevolent, malevolent,yeah, but instead of a face in
the back of your head.
It's it's just cramming shit upher ass the whole time.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know what?
I'd watch that.
So we are still continuing ourlook into the skies and into the
ether for more interestingstories of what is out there and
perhaps coming into here.
Skip the history, quote-unquote, of alien abduction is varied
and colorful and couldtheoretically go back hundreds
(01:29):
of years.
But that conversation about thesimilarities between fairies,
old hags, trickster entities,hypnagogia, sleep, paralysis and
incubus, succubus encounters,that is for a different day and
a different pod.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Absolutely.
Last time we did talk about howthe Nuremberg UFO sighting was
a thing, and that was what 500years ago?
Mm-hmm yeah, but not in theother old wives' tale folklore
stuff but straight up UFOsfighting each other in the sky.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Or maybe they're Vimanas.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
They weren't sun dogs .
I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
In our modern view the layman might point to in
your mind, what do you think ofas like the first alien
encounters or alien abductions,particular, what kind of jumps
to mind?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
The Benny and Barney Hill cases are probably the most
famous, the most immediate,that are well documented.
That was September 19th 1961.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think other ones that kind of come to people's
mind are Travis Walton, those1975, or even Whitley Stryver's
Communion that came out in 1987for stories that happened
obviously before that, but noneof these are considered the
earliest modern abduction, Withmany of the are considered the
earliest modern abduction withmany of the hallmarks of the
abduction phenomenon yearsbefore such accounts were
recounted, let alone popularized, in culture.
(02:53):
Now, this is the story of aBrazilian farmer who reported an
abduction back in October 15th1957.
This is the story of AntônioVias Boas.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Very cool.
Brazilians have their own UFOhistory.
They deal with a lot ofunidentified submerged objects
as well as UFO encounters.
They are rich with history ofUFOs.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So before he was abducted, just to lay out a
little bit of the scene, thiswas a young 23-year-old man.
He was living on his family'sfarm and he and his brother they
would work at night, try andbeat the heat, so they would try
to do their yard work duringthe evening.
And on October 5th was thefirst weirdness that happened in
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1957.
Boersch said that he spotted abright light in the sky as he
opened his window for some air.
After sleeping, he woke up withthe same light moving towards
him.
As he looked at it, boish wasscared and showed his brother,
who looked in awe as the brightlight danced through the
shutters, for leaving on theirfarm.
Now, like I said, this is, youknow, about 9-10 days before the
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actual abduction happened,which is what we will get into
now.
Boish was working.
At 10 pm His brother and hewere tilling out in the fields
and they saw a bright light 300feet above their heads.
They said he left his brotherto check it out and when he got
close it zoomed back and forthand as soon as he got close, no
less than 20 times, he gave upeventually, you know, trying to
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get close to this weird lightand it disappeared.
The next night Boers wasworking alone and then a reddish
light came right up on top ofhim so quickly that it was on
top of me before I could make upmy mind what to do.
The light was intense, sointense that he couldn't see his
own tractor lights in the deadof night.
The craft was a large, elong,elongated, egg-shaped with three
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legs that extended beneath it.
Now Borch said that he was onhis tractor and tried to get
away on his tractor from thiscraft, but then the lights died.
The engine just died.
It wouldn't go.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
The tractor died.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You get a lot of reports of automotives.
You know when craft come.
You know it kills allelectronics.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's an internal combustion engine, so that's.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Hey man, they don't work with our physics man.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, alright, I don't know I can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So the craft then kind of settled down and began
to land.
Like I said, bowers ran to histractor in terror.
When he reached it, the tractorand the lights died.
So he reached it, the tractorand the lights died.
So he tried making his escapeto the other side and running
towards a house when his arm wasgrabbed by what he said was a
small figure he said it onlyreached about his shoulder
height In strange clothes, whichhe violently shoved away.
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Three more small figuressurrounded him and lifted him
off the ground by the arms andlifted him off the ground by the
arms.
Now, boers described these astypical greys that are kind of
common in other abductions.
They had grey suits with large,rounded eyeglasses, three
silvery tubes protruding outover their heads, small figures
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about one and a half meters tall, with shoes, and they said they
communicated with strangesounds not producible by humans,
kind of like animal grunts.
So I kind of think of, maybelike tin the tool man, taylor
aliens not producible by humans.
Sure, yes, no human could dothat yeah, yeah, they had very
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tight fitting siren suits madeof soft, thick, uneven, unevenly
striped gray material.
The garment reached right up totheir necks where it was joined
to a kind of helmet made out ofgray material that looked
stiffer and was strengthenedback at the nose level.
Their helmets hide everythingexcept their eyes, which were
protected by two round glasseslike lenses in ordinary glasses.
Through them, the men looked atme and their eyes seemed to be
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much smaller than ours, though Ibelieve that maybe they
affected the lenses.
All of them had light-coloredeyes that looked blue to me, but
this I cannot vouch for.
Above their eyes, those helmetslooked so tall that they
corresponded to what the doubleof size of a normal man's head
should be.
Probably there was somethingelse hidden under those helmets,
placed on top of their heads,but nothing could be seen from
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the outside.
Right on top, from the middleof their head, there sprouted
three round silvery metal tubesI can't tell whether they were
made of metal or rubber whichwere a little narrower than a
common garden hose.
The tubes which were placed,one in the middle and one on
each side of the head weresmooth and bent backward and
downward toward the back.
There they fitted into theirclothes how I cannot say, but
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one went down their center wherethe backbone is, and the other
two on each side fitted underthe shoulders about four inches
from their armpits, nearly attheir sides where the back
begins.
I didn't notice anything at all, no hump or lump to show where
the tubes attached, nor any boxor contrivance hidden under
their clothes.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That just sounds like a tiny bane.
I want you to come with me.
No, the comic book version withthe venom and everything, oh,
why can't it be this bane fromspace?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Their sleeves were narrow and tight-fitted to the
wrists, where they followed bythick five-fingered gloves of
the same color that must havesomewhat hindered their
movements.
As to this, I noticed that themen weren't able to double their
fingers all together so as totouch the palms of their hands
with the tips of their fingers.
The difficulty did not preventthem from catching and holding
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me firmly, nor from deftlymanipulating the rubber tubes
for extracting my blood.
Those overalls must have been akind of uniform for all.
The members of the crew wore ared badge the size of a
pineapple slice on their chest.
Sometimes it reflected a shinylight, not a light of its own,
but a reflection such as thosegiven by the rear lights of a
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car when another car lights itup from behind.
From the center badge therecame a strip of silvery metal or
it might have been flattenedmetal which joined onto a broad,
tight-fitting collapses belt,the color of which I can't
remember.
He remembers so much else, buthe can't remember that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, it's so specific.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
No pocket could be seen anywhere.
You know, I don't know wherethey're going to put their pokes
and prodder instruments, and Idon't remember seeing any
buttons either.
The trousers were alsotight-fitting over the buttocks.
Yes, they were Thighs and legs,as there was not a wrinkle or
crease to be seen.
There was no visible hembetween the trousers and shoes,
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which were actually acontinuation of the former,
being part of the self-samegarment.
The soles of the shoes, whichwere different from ours.
They were thick about two orthree inches and a little turned
up or arched up in front, sothat the tips looked like those
describing in fairy tales of old, though the general appearance
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is that of a common tennis shoe,okay.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, I'm getting some Sandown Clown vibes here.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, just wait, oh boy.
From what I saw later, theymust have fitted loosely, for
they were larger than the feetthey covered.
In spite of this, the men'sgait was free and easy and their
movements were swift indeed.
Perhaps the closed siren suitthey wore did interfere slightly
with their movements, becausethey kept walking very stiffly.
Like I said, they're all aboutone and one and a half to 1.6
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meters tall in shoes, mind you,perhaps a little shorter because
of those helmets, except forone of them, the one who had
caught hold of me out there.
This one did not even reach mychin.
All seemed strong, but not sostrong that, had I fought with
one of them at any time, Ishould have been afraid of
losing.
I believe that in afree-for-all fight I could face
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any single one of them on anequal base.
Yeah, it's alien fight club.
That's what he's dreaming ofHell yeah.
All right Enough with theuniforms, it's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Let's throw down.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
At this point.
While resisting as best hecould, boash found himself being
pulled up a flexible metallicrolling ladder into a hatchway,
which closed behind them soleniently that no scene was
visible to the naked eye.
Then he found himself in asmall square room.
It had no furnishings but wasbrightly lit he said kind of the
same light as broad daylightRecessed square lights in smooth
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metallic walls.
Suddenly, an opening appearedfrom the seamless wall and Boish
was led into another room.
There, the only furnishingsthat were visible was an oddly
shaped table that stood at oneside of the room, surrounded by
several backless swivel chairs,something like bar stools.
They were all made of the samewhite material.
The table, as well as thestools, were one-legged,
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narrowing toward the floor,where they were either fixed,
such as the table to it, orlinked to a movable ring held
fast by three hinges, jettingout of each side, and riveted to
the floor, such as the stools,so that the sitting on them
could turn in every direction.
His abductors then grabbed andheld him in place, while
communicating in sounds thatagain had no resemblance
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whatever to human speech.
I can think of no attempt todescribe those sounds.
So distinctly Different werethey from anything I've ever
heard before.
Those sounds still make meshiver when I think of them.
It isn't even possible for meto reproduce them.
My vocal organs are not madefor it.
Again, he compares the soundsto animal grunts, some longer,
others shorter, sometimescontaining several different
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sounds at the same time, atother times ending in a tremor.
These creatures then beganundressing him, despite his
constant opposition to this.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, I'm sure he fought real hard.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They obviously couldn't understand me, but they
stopped and stared at me as ifthey were trying to make me
understand that they were beingpolite.
Besides, though, they had toemploy force, they never at any
time hurt me badly, and they didnot even tear my clothes, with
the exception of my shirt,perhaps Stripped naked naked.
They then rubbed all over hisbody a clear, odorless liquid,
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and then he was prompted intoanother room with red
inscriptions over the door.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
He said they were like scribbles, of a kind
entirely unknown to us so theythey rubbed him down with lube
and sent him into a room with abig light saying come fuck this
dude.
That's essentially what'shappening right now right Hot
alien action.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
This way is what the sign said.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Soon, two of the figures joined him carrying
apparatuses, which they tooksome blood from his chin,
leaving a small scars that werelater noticed by the doctors at
the hospital.
That caused him no pain andonly minimal discomfort.
But this is where the room getsgood.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh, the movie the Room.
You're my favorite customer.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So Antonio then says he was left alone for about an
hour and made himselfcomfortable on a large,
featureless foam, rubber-likegray bed or couch in the middle
of the room.
It had no legs, he said.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Somebody took it to a swingers club.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
From holes in the wall.
From about the height of hishead came.
From glory holes about the sizeof his head came this gray
smoke that was piped in andquickly dissolved Cock smoke.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh, this place is full of it, bowers said.
At first he felt kind ofnauseous from the smoke, and
then he began feeling suffocated.
He rushed to one corner of theroom and vomited, and after that
his breathing became a littleeasier.
A little while later a dooropened and in walked a naked
alien woman.
Some have thought that theliquid or even the smoke might
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have been some type ofaphrodisiac, or maybe that the
smoke allowed the alien woman tobreathe without her helmet.
We really don't know.
She came in slowly, unheardly,perhaps a little amused at the
amazement she saw was written onmy face.
I stared open mouth.
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She was beautiful, though of adifferent type of beauty
compared with the women I haveknown.
Her hair was blonde, nearlywhite, almost like dyed hair
with peroxide.
It was smooth, not very thick,with a part in the center, and
she had big, big blue eyes,rather longer than round, for
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they slanted outward like thosepencil-drawn girls made to look
like Arabian princesses thatlook as if they were slit,
except that they were natural.
There was no makeup.
Her nose was straight, notpointed, not turned up, nor too
big.
The contour of her face wasdifferent, though, because she
had very high, prominentcheekbones, they made her face
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narrow to a peak so that all ofa sudden it ended with a pointed
chin.
Her lips were very thin, nearlyinvisible in fact.
Her ears, which I only sawlater, were small and did not
seem different from ordinaryears.
Her high cheekbones gave oneimpression that there was a
broken bone somewhere underneath, but as I discovered later,
they were soft and fleshy to thetouch, so they did not seem to
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be made of bone.
Her body was much morebeautiful than any I had ever
seen before.
It was slim and her breastsstood up high and well separated
.
Her waistline was thin, herbelly flat, her hips well
developed, perhaps evenchildbearing, and her thighs
were large.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Her feet were small.
Her, her thighs were large, herfeet were small.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Her hands, long and narrow, her fingers and nails
were normal.
She was much shorter than I am.
Her head only reached myshoulder.
Her skin was white, that of afair woman here, and she was
full of freckles on her arms.
I didn't notice any perfume,except for maybe a natural
female odor.
And another thing I noticed washer hair and her armpits was
bright red, near the color ofblood, as was her hair down
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there.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, well, you're in my wheelhouse now.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He says that the woman came toward him in silence
, looking at me all the while,as if she wanted something from
me, Pressing herself to him.
He understood what her purposewas.
I began to get excited.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I ended up forgetting everything and held the woman
close to me, corresponding toher favors with greater ones of
my own.
That's right.
They laid down on the couch bedthing and had sexual
intercourse.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, you are squirming a lot, jake, I'll just
put that out.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They performed a variety of acts together for
about an hour.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Wow, the stamina.
It's Anna Taylor Joy, by theway.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
After the two had had their sexual encounter, she
pulled away.
All they wanted was a goodstallion to improve their stock.
He thought.
He said he enjoyed theencounter and even though the
woman refused to kiss him.
Apparently, instead of kissingshe would go to his chin and
bite at it and nibble at it,while making sounds that, in
both's mind, sounded like animalgrowls.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, did he fuck a dog?
He might have fucked a dog.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
She never spoke.
When they were finished, one ofthe creatures entered and
called out to the woman.
Come here girl Come here girl.
But before leaving she lookedback at him.
She pointed to her belly andsmilingly then pointed to the
sky.
Then she went away.
I interpreted the sign asmeaning to say that she intended
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to return and take me with herto wherever she lived.
He seemed to be concerned, oreven afraid, for as he took the
meaning quite seriously andwasn't sure if he was anxious to
leave the familiar surroundingsof his family.
Then, after fetching the woman,the creature returned Boash's
clothing.
He was led back to a room withstools and table where the crew
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sat and communicated with eachother in their strange way, kind
of just ignoring him.
He felt altogether calm, for Iknew no harm would come to me.
Now he had a chance to take inhis surroundings and he tried to
remember everything he could.
He noticed that the walls weresmooth, metal and hard and no
windows anywhere.
He noticed a box with a glasstop that kind of looked like an
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alarm clock and he tried toswipe it and conceal it.
I guess it's kind of smart, ifyou're on an alien ship, to snag
something and prove where youwere.
Oh hell yeah, but he was foundout and one of the crew members
seized it instantly and shovedhim back.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If you're going to do this on a table, we have to be
underneath watching.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
The creatures continued to lead him through
the ship, pointing out variousinteresting features which Boers
described at length with aremarkable amount of detail.
Boers stressed that there wasno doubt in his mind whatsoever
that he was aboard a metal craft.
The tour finally over, one ofthe figures, gestured him down
the ladder and pointed to itself, to the ground and then in a
southerly direction, in the sky,the same direction the woman
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had pointed.
Boers was signaled to step back, the ladder retracted and the
ship rose.
Tripod landing struts retractedonce again so that, once in
place, no sign of the openingwas even visible, and stopped a
little over a hundred feet abovehis head.
It got increasingly brighter,the buzz formed, the dislocation
of air grew louder and therevolving saucer began to rotate
(20:04):
at a terrific speed, while thelight turned to many shades of
color, finally settling on abright red.
As this happened, the machineabruptly changed direction by
turning unexpectedly andproducing a large noise, a kind
of shock.
When this was over, the strangeairship darted off suddenly
like a bullet southward, holdingitself slightly askew, at such
a heady speed that itdisappeared from sight in a few
(20:26):
seconds.
It now was about 5.30 in themorning when Boish returned to
his tractor.
By his reckoning, four and aquarter hours had elapsed.
He discovered the tractor hadbeen sabotaged.
They were smart enough to knowthat he would try escaping and
that they had knowledge of how atractor works.
They had detached the batterywires.
Boish did not leave thisparticular encounter unscathed.
(20:48):
He had many various medicalailments that lingered with him
for months afterwards.
Boish seemed to be sufferingfrom radiation poisoning, with
symptoms of body pains, nausea,headaches, loss of appetite,
constant burning sensation inthe eyes, cutaneous lesions at
the slightest of light, bruising, which went on appearing for
(21:09):
months, that looked like smallred bumps, harder than the skin
around it and protuberant,painful when touched, each with
a small central orifice withyellow discharge.
The skin wounds showed ahyperchromatic, violent tinged
area.
Bowers was also subjected tophysical and psychological tests
.
Later on he also experiencedexcessive sleepiness, a trait
(21:31):
commonly found in subsequentabduction cases.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It sounds a lot like Rendlesham.
I mean very similar to medicalailments that come after that.
Yeah, I mean there similar tomedical ailments that come after
that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, I mean there's quite a few stories out there of
people having encounters withUFOs and or alien beings and
having many things, especiallyradiation, burns and poisoning.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
How do you explain that?
I mean, that part is reallyhard to rationalize.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That is one of those elements if it's to be believed.
I mean again, a lot of thiswasn't even looked at for months
afterward, so you know it couldhave been from something else.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, but radiation poisoning.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
A lot of the accounts say the appearance like the
symptoms are similar to that ofradiation poisoning, but I don't
think it was ever officiallydiagnosed by a physician.
That is my understanding.
So in 1957, a Brazilian writernamed Jao Martins penned the
first installment of a seriestitled Flying Saucers Terrible
Mission for the magazine OCruzeiro.
(22:27):
There he described cases ofpeople at isolated places
attacked by small alien beings,one being a case from 1954 of
two Venezuelan teenagers whoclaimed to have stumbled upon a
spaceship in the woods neartheir village.
Of two Venezuelan teenagers whoclaimed to have stumbled upon a
spaceship in the woods neartheir village, small hairy
aliens attacked them and injuredone of the boys before they
were able to beat the creaturesback using an unloaded rifle as
a club and escape to safety.
(22:48):
This is one of the cases thathe published.
Martins also asked his readersto write him with their own
experiences.
Among hundreds of responses heselected one of a young farmer
from Minas Gerais with whom heexchanged several letters that
next year.
Martins paid for the23-year-old farmer to come to
Rio de Janeiro where he wasexamined by Dr Olavo Fontes.
(23:08):
That farmer and his story wasAntonio Villas-Boas, and his
story was the one that waspublished.
Dr Fontes sent a detailedreport about Villas-Boas' case
to the Aerial Phenomena ResearchOrganization, but they decided
it was too fantastic to publish.
Nevertheless, the storycirculated between experts for
quite a while.
Eventually, that story got out.
(23:30):
Walter Buehler of the Brazilianufology group Sbedv, s-b-e-d-v,
and a follower of theself-described alien contactee
George Adamski, learned aboutWiesbos story and in 1962,
buehler visited the young farmerin his hometown.
The group subsequentlypublished a report on the
(23:51):
Wiesbos case in English and theaccount aligned with Adamski's
earlier descriptions of aliensand their spaceship.
In January 1965, aninternational journal called the
Flying Saucer Review reproducedBuehler's report worldwide.
Now, one of the things that ledpeople to believe that it has
to be true is that a lot ofpeople had this fairly racist
(24:14):
notion that a poor farmer withvery little education he
couldn't possibly come up withthis.
It has to be true.
One, that's pretty effingracist.
Two, he did go on to become alawyer, so it's not as though he
was unschooled.
And three, anybody can come upwith a story and anybody can
have something happen to them.
(24:35):
None of these are mutuallyexclusive concepts.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
After that incident incident he reported
experiencing nightmares andhaunted by flashbacks of his
experience, probably for most ofhis life.
Despite becoming a lawyer, hismental state had deteriorated
and he exhibited mental symptomssuch as anxiety, depression and
distress.
Hey, join the club.
He married and had fourchildren.
He stuck to his story for therest of his life.
He'd had a little bit of fame,but he didn't write his own book
(25:00):
or anything.
This was long before going ontelevision programs.
He just stuck by a story untilhe passed away in 1991.
Kind of the anti-WoodyDerenberger.
Yeah, and I mean again, doesthat lead anybody to believe his
story is stronger than others?
I don't know, but I think it'salways a sign in the right
direction when you're not tryingto use it for fame and fortune.
Well, others, I don't know, butI think it's always a sign in
the right direction when you'renot trying to use it for fame
(25:23):
and fortune.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well, yeah, I mean, Betty and Barney Hill didn't
want fame and fortune.
In fact, their lives wereruined by the whole scenario.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So there's a lot of elements of the story where it's
kind of like ah, did he getthis?
You know, one assume that heread that story of the
Venezuelan boys and some otherstories from the magazine that
then he wrote in about his ownstory.
So maybe he took some flightsof fancy and made it up.
There's also the weird landinglegs elements, things like that.
But there were no abductioncases in popular culture before
(25:54):
this point.
This is the first major case ofalien abduction and it had that
sexual element, thathybridization element way back
which we have touched on yeahthese are all things that have
become nigh ubiquitous withinalien abduction stories.
after that, again, there's a lotof eccentricities to the story,
lots of differences, but thereare a lot of core elements.
(26:17):
So I mean you can't make aclaim one way or the other, but
it is interesting.
That's why I pointed it out.
He wasn't necessarily drawingoff of anything that had come
before.
You know he hadn't seen anX-Files episode.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, this was new.
Yep, there was nobody in BarneyHill yet.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That was not for years later.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Brazil is a hotbed for that kind of activity.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It is really curious we had talked about you know a
lot of like these elements comefrom.
You know there's a certaindomino effect, one might say,
and this is at least a casewhere there doesn't seem to be
any dominoes.
He would have been making thisstuff up almost whole cloth.
Which doesn't yeah, doesn'treally make a lot of sense,
maybe.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Maybe, but no, I mean , it doesn't make a lot of sense
that he would just come up withall of these tropes that would
come up later just out of HulkLaw.
I'm not discrediting him.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
A lot of people know about Betty Barney Hill or
Travis Walton or those type ofthings, absolutely.
But, not a lot of people knowabout VS Boas and the fact that
his case happened so muchearlier than those and the fact
that his case happened so muchearlier than those.
But it took a long time to getout and spread and just never
got the type of acclaim thatthose did.
But it is kind of a progenitorof a lot of and really a
(27:31):
bellwether for what would becomestandard fare.
I mean, there's a lot of stuffin there you don't get.
You don't get like little tubesfrom their helmets or whatnot,
the weird red light things ontheir chests.
You know, having saucy sex withthe platinum haired fire crotch
.
Not enough, at least Not enough.
(27:52):
I mean I could try and findmore saucy.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We can find some.
It's probably not real, but wecan find it.
That is absolutely fascinating.
Yeah, I'm really glad youbrought that one up.
That is a really, reallyinteresting case study.
Yeah, so that is that.
I think that fits exactly intowhat we're trying to talk about
when it comes to UFO phenomenon,alien abduction encounters.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
That was a good show.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The TV show.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That's so fucked up, literally.
I was about to say that thatwas a good show, the TV show.
I was going to say yes, no,that's so fucked up, literally.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I was about to say that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It was a good show, though.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I shouldn't have paused.
I did.
It was like which is exactlywhere we are?
Ufo encounter experiences.
I think sometimes we can be.
I'm not actually dismissive.
It's more that if we want totalk about things like this, I
would rather be able todefinitively discount the
(28:50):
criticism if we're going to runwith it.
You know what I mean.
Like I would rather come fromthe skeptical side that says,
well, we have eliminated theobvious terrestrial explanations
for it, because otherwise ourcredibility, just as believers
or even just skeptics, suffers.
(29:11):
So no, I'm not pessimistic, Iam not cynical about it.
I would rather just eliminatethe possibilities that can be
explained and when we get towhere we cannot explain them now
, we can actually talk aboutthem in a way that we can
speculate and evaluate thesethings on their surface.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I wanted one that had a sexy angle to it, you know
.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Hell yeah.
Yeah, that wasn't gross likethat.
Harvest one yeah yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I mean, he didn't ask to get taken to a ship by a
bunch of aliens who wereprobably watching through the
peepholes as he banked late, buthe seemed to enjoy himself.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, sure yeah, it wasn't a bunch of assy McGee's
impregnating women.
I mean better.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Oh, Assie McGee's.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's kind of what that was.
That was a messed up story.
Lord knows what happened to her, Whether her accounts are
completely accurate or not.
Just I hope she finds solacesomehow yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And even though he had some sexy times Vyashboas,
like I said, he had issues thatstemmed for months and years.
Sure, both physical andpsychological.
So F off aliens.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, cut it out.
It's like a dog that jumps upon your lap constantly.
Get the fuck, just get down.
Just sit down, tim Allen, getout of here.
Get the fuck out of my garage.
Why aren't you in prison?
Oh, you're a narc, I get it.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, we'll be back with some interesting wild.
Perhaps zany, probably a littleless of that, a little more,
hmm.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
We might do some zany ones, but hopefully not.
Ufo cases make you say hmm, Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Man funk that.
Why is it every time I getabducted by aliens?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
See aliens be like no , we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Aliens, they're short , short men Well.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm just saying that hurts really tall Anyway we hope
you've enjoyed, maybe learnedsomething.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
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That's the best way for us tobe seen and heard.
And again, thank you, justthank you for listening.
It's always a pleasure to dothis for you guys and we hope
that you've enjoyed yourself.
So until we fly up into the sky, skip, what should they do?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Like R Kelly Piss.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Down from on high as we urinate on our fan base.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
That's my favorite ELO album that is one of the
better ones.
Our fans, or at least justlisteners, should tip your
waitstaff.
You tip your bartenders, yourKJs and what have yous.
Make sure you've cleaned upafter yourself to some sort of
reasonable degree and don'tforget to support your local
comic shops and retailers.
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Godspeed, fair wizards, anddon't get abducted.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Don't get abducted.
Please go away.
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