December 3, 2021 • 42 mins
Sarah Connor v Ellen Ripley
- Joined by Michael Petty and Ryan Placchetti, this episode brings disputes between two of the most iconic women to command a James Cameron franchise! Who are these two badass protagonists you ask? Only two of the most dedicated, brilliant, and loyal ladies ever to body a final boss and rescue those in their care: Sarah Connor vs Ellen Ripley!
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Welcome Adjudicators to another episodeof Disputed where two fictional characters
go head to head armed with only theiradvocates and you will decide the outcome.
Everything.
Is.
Disputed.
Oh, yeah.
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Ooh.
How you doing, man?
I am fantastic.
How are you?
Ah, better than most.
Not as good as some.
So let's tell us, tellthe folks who we are.
Well, Hey nerds, I'm Demond.
Father of two husband, and one, you mayknow me from such podcast as Demond Does,
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A Different World pod, and In The Stacks,the library podcast or, you may not.
Maybe.
Well, thank you, Demond.
I am Dean, master of somany things podcasting.
You may have may know me from thePodScure Podcasts Network and its
corresponding podcast, How Are Ya Now?
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the Letterkenny podcast, The Boondockspodcast, and the upcoming Come
With Me If You Want To Live or GetAway From Me You Bitch podcasts.
That's what I'm involved with.
You liked that one?
Good, good, man.
We had fun last time.
I know it's been three weeks since yeah,cause we had the holiday there, but Man
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that last episode, it was the most votes.
I think we had a, no, I take that back.
So it was not the most votes I misreadthat it is, we didn't get a lot of votes.
I'll put it that way.
That being said we did get agood deal of votes that Brock
Sampson versus Black Dynamite.
Black Dynamite came awaywith the victory 86%.
So yeah, I think that's probably themost lopsided, I think we've had so
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far, so a big congrats to MC E-mazingfor doing such an e-mazing job.
And yeah, Sean, you were a fantasticadvocate for Brock Sampson.
Unfortunately, things justdidn't didn't work out for you.
I'm sorry.
But but yeah Brock that, to me, thatwas a much more evenly matched pair up.
Just in my view, I think there's just alot more Black Dynamite fans out there.
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I think some of these votes orthese results I think are result
of just the fan base that wehave so far and who they like.
Yeah, I'm surprised if I was again, likewith Spike and Cassidy, which is pretty
lopsided I was surprised that Black, I wassurprised Black Dynamite won to be honest.
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And I surprised that he washedBrock Samson the way he did.
Oh, big time.
Remember, this a vote, if we were writingit, they probably would've ended up in
a of smoke and created the Grand Canyon.
So there's that?
Yeah.
So yeah, I I was kinda surprisedmyself on how that how that came out.
I was expecting it to be much closer.
Cause, and in all honesty I honestlyfeel that if they fought each
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other, it would just be dead even
Yup.
There's no there's no winner really there.
We were the winners.
We would be the winners.
Very, very true.
So, anything else, or shouldwe, are you ready to introduce
our advocates for this week?
I am ready.
All right, so let's bring them in here.
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So we've got Michael from the nofate podcast and we've got Ryan
from the wreck yourself, I guess.
So, I'm gonna go ahead and do whatI do with introducing Michael.
Our first advocate for today, hailsfrom the Windy City, spent some time,
the Big Sky Country, but now takesup residence in the City Of Angels.
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Some call him MJ and some occasionallyreferred to him as no knees on account
of him being born without kneecaps.
I like to think that he probably owedsome money to the mob, but in any case,
give it up for Michael John Petty.
Ah, Michael Michael, Michael MJ.
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Oh, we
for having me
I like me some MJs.
I got MJ on the Boondocks podcast.
So MJ's are good folks.
So MJ, who are youadvocating for today and why?
And what do you bring to the.
So I'm advocating for Sarah Connor,because as you mentioned, I host
a Terminator podcast called NoFate: A Terminator Podcast with
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one of my good buddies Tanner.
And ultimately I hope tobring Sarah to the table.
I mean, I kind of thinkshe speaks for herself.
I don't think I have to reallyembellish a whole lot as far as her
capabilities and her qualifications.
I just think that theyneed to be taken to.
Ah, well that, you know, you're not wrong.
So what do you bring to thetable as far as as far as Sarah
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and your devotion to this.
Sure.
So.
I've been I've been a Terminatorfan for a really long time
since I was in high school.
And I just immediately fell in lovewith Terminator 2 specifically,
I'm a huge fan of the SarahConnor Chronicles television show.
That's actually a huge reason whywe started our podcast in the first
place is because very few peoplewere doing that sort of thing.
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And I had listened to a Sarah ConnorChronicles podcast a long time
ago, but it has since long gone.
So we decided to do our own.
Right on.
Yeah.
I I watched that when it came outand enjoyed it very much I kind of,
missed, you know, I, I was kind ofbummed out when they took it off.
Cause it was it was a fun show.
Lena Heady was an amazingas Connor, so yeah.
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So, and she's proved herself time andtime again, you know, even, you know,
up to, through a game of Thrones.
So yeah.
right.
So Demond.
Do you ready to tointroduce your advocate?
Yes, I am.
Our next advocate is fromSoutheast Pennsylvania.
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Unaware of having nicknames.
I'm sure he was called lots of things.
Such as signals, intelligence analyst,Korean linguists, archeology researcher,
and all the way up until now intechnical service, please make some
noise for the man with no nickname.
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Mr.
No Nicknames Needed (06:23):
RYAN PLACCHETTI!!!!...........
I don't think anybody's ever said byname that enthusiastically before.
Thank you.
Uh,
I'd hire you to go anywhere with me.
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Yeah, we're all about gassingup our our folks here, so
If you don't feel like a big deal beforeyou got here, you're a big, you feel
like you should feel like a big deal now.
That's our job.
Damn right.
Well, thank you.
You're doing a fine job at it.
Well, thank you,
I only hope that I can do thatintroduction justice today.
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I expect nothing less.
Demond.
let you.
Yes.
So first of all, Ryan, who areyou advocating for this evening?
And also why?
I am advocating for humanity, whichmeans I'm supporting Ellen Ripley.
has a fantastic track recordof preventing apocalypses.
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No, I think she's a bad ass.
And honestly, you know, as far aswhat I'm bringing to the table you
know, in, when I went to college, II took some cyborg feminism classes.
I wrote some papers on Terminator.
I was ready to tackle this froma very intellectual standpoint.
I've got all my T's crossed my I's dotted.
I'm ready to go.
Very nice.
Oh, yeah.
Bringing that smoke.
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What I like to hear.
All right.
So, all right.
So I will talk about this episode now.
This episode brings the disputesbetween two of the most iconic women
to command a James Cameron franchise,who are these two bad-ass protagonists.
You asked only two of the most dedicated,brilliant and loyal ladies ever to body, a
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final boss and rescue those in their care.
Sarah Connor versus Ellen Ripley.
All right.
So the rules are as such.
Each person will get a five minuteopening statement followed by their
opponents rebuttal for two minutes.
I have buttons that will signal.
I will signal off when I'vestarted and you'll hear a noise
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once you've hit that time.
After that.
Each host, Demond and I, will aska question for which you will be
able to answer over two minutes andthere may or may not be questions
from the crowd who is watching andanyone who's watching, if you have a
question for either of our advocates,please put them in the comments.
I think, I don't think you can dothat through Twitter, but I think
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you can through everything else.
So Facebook, YouTube and Twitter.
So after that, yeah.
So after that you get a twominute closing arguments each
and then everybody will go vote.
You can bank time.
So if you have say, you've only used threeminutes of your opening statement and you
want to bank that extra two minutes forsomething else you need, you just say so.
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And and then also Demond, and I have thefull wherewithal to extend time for you.
Another 30 seconds.
All right.
Any questions before we get going?
So, being that you were the firstadvocate, MJ, you will, you are, will be
on the clock for oh my God, Sarah Connor.
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I don't, my brain is just like,
I'm like even wearing a Terminator shirt.
I know, I know, man.
It's just sometimes, you know,I'm moving in less than two weeks.
My brain is not all here.
So, so I'm going to go ahead and startthe clock for five minutes and you are on.
Great.
So I would a hundred percent trustSarah Connor over Ellen Ripley to get
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me out of a bad spot because she has theadequate training to do so, you know,
after spending the majority of her adultlife learning basic combat self-defense
military grade weapons training.
Not to mention her ability to keepa low profile and get off the grid.
If necessary.
Sarah Connor is a flesh andblood machine who will stop at
nothing to protect her charge.
While Ripley only fightsfor her own survival.
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Sarah fights, as the motherof John Connor, the future
leader of the human resistance.
With infinitely more pressure, Sarah hasto teach her son everything his future
self would come to know, from his abilityto lead to basic toughness and integrity.
It all came from this incrediblesingle mother who stopped at
nothing to not just protect him,but prepare him for the future.
If Sarah Connor decides thatyou're worth protecting, you
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don't really have any reason tothink you won't make it out alive.
On various occasions, differing versionsof Sarah, protected and kept safe
John Connor, Kyle Reese, DannyRamos from different incarnations of
terminators, each scarier than the last.
She won't think twice aboutjumping straight into the fire,
if it means getting you out alive.
Though her tactical skills rarelycall for anything so drastic.
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When we first meet Sarah, she'sa scared 19 year old girl who has
no idea what her future holds.
When she finds out,
after some convincing, of course,she commits her life to not only
stopping the T-800 that's after her,but also preparing her son for his
role in the world's salvation from theSkynet, a foe who is neither living,
nor breathing, who you can't justeject into space and hope goes away.
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Yet, it's with this way of the worldon her shoulders that she presses
on hoping to stop judgement day.
Yes, there are differentincarnations of Sarah Connor who
hail from different timelines.
The first to follow the Sarah Connor, weall know played by Linda Hamilton, the
most iconic version, probably the one thatwe're all thinking of immediately when we
think of Sarah Connor, but Genesys rebootsthe character through Emilia Clarke into
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a born warrior who was actually raisedby a Terminator, which gives her a
different kind of advantage in some ways.
Add to that the Dark Fate incarnationwhich suffered a terrible loss yet
continues to hunt machines so thatno one else has to feel her pain.
This isn't even dimension Lena Headey'sinterpretation in the Sarah Connor
Chronicles, which humanizes Sarah ina way that none of the other films
could in a very motherly way, verysimilar to Ripley in in some respects
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while also keeping Sarah's edge.
Throughout the short-lived series,she does her best to train her son for
the future while also trying to stopthat future from ever even occurring.
If these different timelinesprove anything about Sarah
though, it's that she's consistentno matter her circumstances.
No matter the stakes she will stopat nothing to save the world and
those she cares deepest about.
That said, though,Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
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The greatest action film of all time,by the way, provides us with our
most iconic version of Sarah Connor.
The one who fights the T-1000 to thedeath in order to stop Synet's apocalypse.
Here, Linda Hamilton's Sarah standsup to Arnold Schwarzenegger's classic
T-800 and actually has proven time andtime again to be just as culturally
iconic and important, if not moreso than the Terminator himself.
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But let's take a look at Sarah's failuresquick so that we can be transparent here
because she's not without her flaws.
In Dark Fate, the film opens withSarah losing John to the T-800
only a year after the events of T2.
And while I personally think thisis the worst possible decision and
the most uncharacteristic ever madein the Terminator franchise it's
worth noting that this is also theonly onscreen timeline in which
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Sarah actually fails that mission.
In the original James Cameron films, shesucceeds and seemingly stops judgment day.
In Terminator 3 (13:24):
Rise of the Machines and Terminator
she trained John adequately and gave himenough weapons and prophetic information
to take down Skynet in the future.
In Genesys, she saves Kyle Reese from hisusual death and stops Skynet from being
born, rewriting the timeline completely.
And in Dark Fate, she helps protect thenew leader of the human resistance, Danny,
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and actually takes her under her wing.
This isn't even to mention allthe people she saves in Sarah
Connor Chronicles as well.
But the point is that Sarah rarely loses.
And while Ripley may ultimatelywin against the Xenomorphs more
often than not, it's at a cost.
And that cost is usually justabout everyone around her.
While Sarah May lose some folksalong the way, those she saves
always how number though she loses.
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And that is why I wouldtrust her with my life.
All right.
So you will be banking,if you want, 45 seconds.
I'll take it.
All right.
All right.
So, Ryan, if you are ready, I'm going tobring you over here and you will start
your two minute rebuttal for Ellen Ripley.
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All right.
Well, I'd like to compliment Michaelfirst and foremost for his excellent
job of representing Sarah Connor.
She is an iconic female hero.
However, I think you may havedownplayed some of her faults.
I can't seem to remember who the ultimatebad guy at the end of Terminator:
Genesys was, but I'm pretty sure that'sanother John Connor that didn't make it.
I'll go ahead and bank the restof my time and roll it right into
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my five minute prepared statement.
All right.
So give me a second andI will switch that over.
Alright.
That's a unique tactic.
Yeah.
There you go.
So you got, yeah you got five sixand a half minutes, basically.
First and foremost, EllenRipley is the hero of her story.
Sarah Connor is a supporting characterdestined to shepherd others so that
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they can lead the resistance againstSkynet or Legion or John Connor.
I'm looking at you, EmeliaClark, Sarah Connor, whatever.
At her best, she's a valuablemember of an ensemble cast.
At her worst, a victim along for the ride.
In the first film, Michael Beihn's,Kyle Reese declares that it's
just him and the terminator.
He isn't there to helpSarah defeat a Terminator.
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He's there to prevent the Terminatorfrom killing Sarah, and he succeeds.
By the time she gets to push thebutton to destroy that Terminator
it's down to a single limb.
He has stuffed the pipe bombin its chest and done it in.
He's there to prevent like Isaid, he's there to prevent the
Terminator from killing Sarah.
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In the film that defined her role inthe series, T2 judgment day, Arnold
Schwarzenegger's T-800 does mostof the heavy lifting and combat.
Sarah was at her most capable inthat movie when escaping from the
mental hospital, a plot that wouldhave been foiled, had it not been
for the arrival of John Connor anda couple of dueling terminators as
she was being swarmed by orderlies.
Her biggest contribution to combat inthe first two films is steering the truck
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while strong men make things explode.
So much for "girl power".
In contrast, Ellen Ripley takes chargeof every situation, whether surrounded
by a platoon of space Marines ormurderous criminals, she earns their
respect and ultimately takes chargeof the fight against the Xenomorphs.
Although she does her share of drivingand she manages to kill aliens even
while driving and undoubtedly ultimatelykills her foes, Sarah does not.
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And if you want to talk about efficiencyin 1979's Alien, Ripley dispatches her
first killer robot with 30 minutes leftto spare, leaving plenty of time for
her to single-handedly defeat the alienthat's killed the rest of her crew.
And let's be honest, it's hard toignore James Cameron's mommy issues,
the entire Terminator franchise and theAlien franchise from the second film
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on are steeped in weird mommy trauma.
Ripley saddled with the nurturing Newtand facing off against the alien queen
and the second film, and then confrontedwith the choice to essentially give birth
to an alien queen in the third movie.
She chooses instead to throwherself into molten metal.
That's what heroes do when thefuture of humanity is on the line.
And it's how you know that Sarah,Connor's not the hero of her best
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outing in the Terminator franchise.
Big metal thumbs up to Ripley.
She gets it.
Sarah, by contrast, clings to themessage from her future son, that there
is no fate while blindly acceptingthe role that he is assigned her.
Saying that Sarah is the hero ofher story is like saying Mary is
the hero of the new Testament.
Unlike a cyborg sent from thefuture, it does not track.
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Ripley's unwavering goodjudgment is evident all the
way back in the first film.
She's the first that determined thatthe beacon they followed as a warning.
When Lambert and Dallas bring, Kaneback to the ship with a face hugger
attached to him, Ripley refusesthem entry to to avoid exposing the
ship to an unknown contamination.
Her good judgment would have savedall, but one member of the Nostromo.
By by contrast, Sarah Connor uponrealizing that multiple Sarah Connors had
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been slain and sensing danger immediatelycalls her roommate, Ginger, and leaves
a message advertising her location.
The Terminator uses that message to findher and dozens of people die as collateral
damage in the hunt for John Connor's mom.
Michael makes some great points aboutall the people that she saves, but
what about all the people that getwaxed by terminators along the way?
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In Alien 2.
Ripley warns the company to evacuatethe colony because of the Xenomorph
threat, which they ignore andpredictably, it gets out of hand.
Again, if they'd followed Ripley'sadvice, none of this would have happened.
This results in them asking her to come onas a consultant for the rescue operation.
She consistently shows asuperior understanding of
the danger of the situation.
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Ultimately evacuating four survive...
four survivors.
And I hate to be a bean counter here, butMichael Beihn makes it through this one.
He doesn't get killed until Alien 3.
By contrast in her second outting, Sarahruns off half cocked to go assassinate
Miles, Dyson, shooting him in theshoulder and traumatizing his family
before John and the T-800 show up.
Shown a little bit of evidence and findout that he's actually a pretty good guy
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who signs up to save humanity on the spot.
Her poor judgment almost cost thema powerful ally who ends up being
instrumental in taking down Cyberdine.
In virtually every Alien film, if everyonelistens to what Ripley says to do from
the beginning, disaster can be averted.
Sarah Connor's track record isspotty at best, but she isn't.
The most stable person is she?
In Dark Fate she reveals thatshe's here to kill terminators
and get blackout drunk.
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And honestly, most of the timeshe's fresh out of terminators.
So it's not like she'skilling them every day.
It's mostly just getting blackout drunk.
Sarah has access to knowledgeof present day weaponry, and
she knows how to handle them.
Ripley has access to futuristic assault,weapons, flamethrowers, APCs, cargo-loader
exoskeletons, and her arsenal isdeeper and more dangerous than Sarah's.
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Furthermore, Ripley knows how things work.
Remember when she determined that thespace Marines rounds could potentially
detonate the nuclear facility, theywere in the base that they were in
based on looking at the schematic?
That's something that the corporateexecutive planning the mission, the
android, and the military leadership miss.
Ripley caught it.
She can also pilot a spaceship.
Her scientific knowledge gives heran edge when it comes to planning
and understanding futuristic threats.
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Sarah is just sitting around gettingdrunk, waiting to blow things up.
In a hand-to-hand fight, Sarahmight have an edge in training.
Especially the Emilia Clarke version.
But if she's fighting Ripley fromAlien Resurrection, she's fighting
a, Ripley who's been spliced withXenomorph DNA, giving her super
strength, agility, acid, blood, anda psychic connection to the aliens.
At this point in the franchise,Ripley's a couple of hundred years
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old has super powers and has neverallowed humanity to get wiped out.
Sarah got older and drunker.
You can't seem to stop thefuture for being taken over by
killer robots, advantage Ripley.
And if you want to compare apples toapples, In 2000 and the 2001 Dark Horse
comics in 2001 Dark Horse comics releasedAlien vs Predator vs Terminator, a comic
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sequel taking place after the eventsof Alien Resurrection in which crypto
terminators leftover from the 21stcentury use alien DNA to create super
soldiers, cyborgs capable of replicatingthemselves and rebuilding Skynet.
I'll give you a couple more secondsto finish your thought there.
By the end of the four issue series,Ripley has defeated the Xenomorphs,
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been made an honorary predator, anddefeated Skynet for the final time.
Advantage Ripley.
All right.
Wow.
mind, my.
MJ Europe Europe fora two-minute rebuttal.
You ready for that?
Yeah, I guess so,
Get after it.
Well, I think there's a coupleof things we need to talk about.
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First of all the John Connor who becomesevil in the future in Genesys has nothing
to do with Sarah Sarah's long dead.
You know, that judgment day has happened.
Skynet is doing his thing and sureJohn Connor was trained by Sarah.
That's absolutely a hundred percent true.
But if you want to talk about Skynetgetting the drop on him, we also have
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to talk about how the Xenomorph gets thedrop on Ripley in Alien 3, which kills
Hicks and Newt, which was basicallythe whole point of Aliens was saving
them and getting everyone out alive.
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to happen.
And also in Alien Resurrections, wehave a Ripley who, yes, is definitely
superior to the original in terms ofshe has more ability and acid blood
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and the connection to the Xenomorphs.
Absolutely.
But because of that, Xenomorphs alsohave more of a connection to her
and are smarter, faster, strongerin a lot of ways than originally.
And that's partially due toRipley, in that instance.
Ripley's also super hesitantto do anything after the first
Alien movie, she has no desireto actively take down Xenomorphs.
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If she's basically dragged into Aliens,kicking and screaming, whereas Sarah's
instinct is to take the fight toSkynet and does so in Terminator 2.
No one around Ripley also believes heror listens to her at any point in time.
So whether she knew or not, it doesn'treally seem to matter in the long run
because nobody listened to anyway.
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And if we're going to talk about herdefeating an android on her spaceship,
we also have to mention that androidsare nowhere near, as strong as
terminators, and certainly are not aT-1000, the liquid metal Terminator.
Also Ripley often hasto rise to the occasion.
Ultimately proving that she is asole survivor of her situation.
Often she is the sole survivor of everyAlien movie, whereas Sarah usually
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has either John or Kyle or Danny orwhoever you want by the end of the
film, proving that she can actually
I'll give you a little bit more time.
Ultimately I think the point isthat if we're looking at who is
actually the better protector,which was the point right then
Sarah obviously has the advantage.
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All right then.
Well, Demond.
Yes.
Yes.
So, yeah, those excellentarguments and rebuttals.
I I, you know, and I'm gonna, I'mgoing to go ahead and bring this one up
actually Demond you want to let's see.
Do you wanna, did you want to askhim, you have a question for Michael?
Let's see.
Michael was advocating for Sarah, correct?
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Yes.
Okay.
So.
The, for me, cause I've watchedall the movies, but the ones that
really stick stuck with me is theirinitial incarnations where they're
both in their very first movies.
How do you think Sarah Connor wouldhave reacted to the Xenomorph?
I think Sarah Connor would have beenreally freaked out if we're talking
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about Terminator 1 if we're talking aboutTerminator 2, I think, I don't think it'd
be hard for her to take that guy out.
Wait because of tacticsor because of training?
Because a lot, cause there were, andI'm just playing devil's advocate here,
there, you know, they had a ship fullof Marines and only Ripley survived.
You what I mean?
So I like, how would she be different?
Well, I think Sarah would bedifferent for a few reasons.
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I think, one, Sarah's usedto fighting terminators.
So if we're going to go based offTerminator 2, Sarah terminators
are theoretically a lot moreintense than Xenomorphs.
You can't, they don't bleed,they don't need to breathe.
If they get launched out intospace, they could come right back.
It wouldn't be an issue for them.
Whereas Xenomorph does breathe.
Does need food.
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Does can bleed and Sarah's use of all ofher weapons and that training that she has
there would give her the edge, I think,over Ripley, in this case who didn't have
the same kind of weapons training thatSarah Connor put herself through after
her first encounter with the Terminator.
Okay.
All right.
So yeah.
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So Ryan.
Yes.
Let's say Ripley is a 19 yearold waitress, and there are
terminators hunting, Ellen Ripley.
How, how is she dealing withthat, that's any different from
how Sarah Connor dealt with that?
I think, first of all, I thinkRipley's got a cooler head.
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She probably wouldn't carry theTerminator to term I mean, if we're
going to compare apples to orangeshere, I think that, I think there's also
an education gap between even a youngRipley versus a young Sarah Connor.
Sarah Connor's hanging out as a waitressand Ripley as a skilled pilot when
she's starting out, she's young, butshe's not entirely inexperienced.
And she's extraordinarily well-informed.
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Clearly she has the abilityto handle cryptographic
problems such as alien beacons.
So she decode an alien beacon.
I have a feeling that a
T Tanner's coming in withsome good ones for you.
"She only carries aliens to term."
He's throwing heat.
Yeah, he is.
That's my boy.
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And how long did that alien last?
Uh,
Incinerated instantaneously, becauseshe'd just thrown herself in molten metal.
So I think that she would deal with it.
I don't think the Terminator would havefound her because I don't think that she
would have advertised her location to it.
If that makes any sense.
And, odds are, if I know EllenRipley, she's not in the phone book.
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Gmail address?
Uh, it's EllenRipley@gmail.com.
No, actually Ellen Ripley probably.
Does Ellen Ripley use a VPN?
She probably is actually in phone bookbecause he's just living in some schlubby
apartment at the beginning of, at thebeginning of Aliens after they rescue her.
Yeah.
Yeah, I so my view, because myview on that is, yeah, they are
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two people from separate times.
You know, so I'm just kinda curious ifyou put Ellen Ripley, you know, she's
1980s, waitress, you know, I, you know,that's, you know, how they, how they
portrayed Sarah is not drasticallydifferent than any other waitress,
I think, you would probably see atthe time that it was that same age.
So I'm just kind of curiousif you thought that Ellen...
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Would Ellen even be a waitress?
So, so yeah, there's somethings to think about there.
I don't think the Ellen would be Idon't think that Ellen would be a
waitress, but you know, that ragtaggroup of people on the Nostromo fought
off the alien with makeshift weapons.
They didn't actually have weapons.
They built flame throwers outof out of construction material.
So if they were, if they were to swapplaces, how would I think it's fair.
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If we're going to ask how Ellendid was going to do as a waitress?
I think Sarah Connor would be doingwhat she did in her own movie,
which is following everybody elseuntil somebody ultimately saves her.
All right then.
Demond, you there or are you frozen?
I think we lost him.
That's all right.
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Michael, you're the new cohost.
Grill me.
Well, this is going to be rigged then.
Ah
I'm confident in thecase that I presented.
Yeah, You both did an excellent job.
So, so what I'm going to goahead and do, so I'm sure Demond
we'll be back in a second.
So, let's go ahead, Ryan.
I'm going to have you give your closingargument and for you, you get two
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minutes and then Michael, you'll gettwo minutes for your closing argument.
So, let's let me go aheadand bring right up here.
So, and two minutes go.
So Michael made the argumentthat it's harder to kill a
Terminator than a Xenomorph.
But that's actually a matter of debate.
Futuristic weapons are effectiveagainst both, but Sarah doesn't
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have access to those weapons.
That makes the Terminator seemmore dangerous than a Xenomorph.
But the first alien Ripley foughtwas not only ejected into space,
but it was still alive in space.
And trying to climb back into theship, through the activated thrusters.
And ultimately it didn't getincinerated by the thrusters.
The tether that was attached to itwas was destroyed by the thrusters.
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And it just launched off into space.
We don't have proof of death ofthat alien or the alien queen.
The only one that we can say wasdefinitely sucked out the space was the
human alien hybrid in the fourth movie.
And that's because it went through a smallhole, created in the hull of a spaceship
just by a drop of Ellen Ripley's blood.
She is a dangerous woman inside and out.
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In a fight Sarah's outgunned out,punched and out fought by Ripley.
She has a weaker personalityand is a poor leader with a
history of making bad choices.
If it came down to a direct conflictbetween the two of them, Ripley
would probably just wait for herto pass out drunk and kill her
in her sleep with an incinerator.
It would be an act of kindnessafter she failed to save her son.
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And you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I might be a little bit, I mightbe a little bit behind the times
of my Terminator knowledge, butin Terminator Genesys who kills
the John Connor Terminator?
I'm pretty sure it was Sarah.
And if it wasn't Sarah directly,she certainly had a hand in it.
So who's the better protect protector?
Well, Ripley protected, Newtand Hicks and Bishop all the
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way through the end of Aliens.
And she protected all ofhumanity every single time.
And every single time she had tosave humanity, it was a new Zenomorph
threat or Terminator threat.
If you go into the comics,
Well done.
Well done.
All right, Michael, if you'reready, let's let's go ahead and
give you your two minutes and go.
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Sure thing.
Well, Ryan, you did a really adequate jobadvocating for Ripley and I commend you.
You have a lot of really greatpoints about her specifically, but
I would still argue with you thatSarah is the better protector.
Yes.
Ripley does protect Hicks, Bishop,and Newu all the way through Aliens,
but fails to actually check thespaceship so that by the time Alien
3 comes around, they are long dead.
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Besides that Sarah, most versions ofSarah, whether she is the one actually
killing the Terminator or not, shestill has a hand in doing that.
She is still vital to the successof each mission, whether it's the
rev nine, whether it's John Connorin Genesys, whether it's the T-1000.
Without her, these thingsdon't get destroyed.
These things kill their prey.
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They take out John Connor, they takeout Kyle Reese, they take out Danny
Ramos and then ultimately humanity.
And in multiple versions, it seems likethe future has been changed and actually
been saved, which would save just aboutas many people as you claim Ripley would.
Besides all of that too, Sarah herself,whether or not she has a drinking
problem in some some of the incarnationsis, sure, a little bit unstable, but
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that's because she knows she's right.
And ultimately whether she'sunstable or not, she will
ultimately do the right thing.
She doesn't kill Myles Dyson.
She chooses to use himto help them stop Skynet.
And it succeeds as far as we can tell.
And beyond all of that,it's just, I don't know.
I trust Sarah.
I know Sarah would be able to getus through because, ultimately,
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she would stop at nothing to do so.
She doesn't throw herselfinto the VAT of liquid.
She throws her enemies there.
All right.
Well done.
Well done.
Oh man.
Well, I dunno if a Demond is goingto make it back, but I'm going to
go ahead and close this part outand say: So, now that the dispute is
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ended it's time to go settle things.
We're going to have you go to voteat disputedpod.com/connorvripley.
You'll go there and choose your winner.
We will now, because we're not goingto be back in two weeks, we'll probably
announce the winner we will on our nextepisode, but we're going to, well announce
it prior to prior to then as well.
(33:23):
It's just so, so everyone will know,I'm not just going to leave you hanging.
So, so, yeah, we'll we'll we'll closethe voting out and in two weeks, so the
voting will be open for two weeks, whichis our normal in-between show time.
So everyone go vote Connor, Ripley,who you got put that in there and and.
It's I expect some goodthings out of this one.
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W we've got some some folks that havebeen watching and putting in comments
and that's, so that's been great.
Also, if you are a fan of the showand would like to check out any of our
stuff, go to disputedpod.com/links.
You can also get one of thesenice little shirts here.
If a Disputed podcast shirt clickour link for merch in there and
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(34:06):
So, let's see what else?
Yeah.
Oh, I should have bought one of thoseshirts before I came on show, that'd be
sure-fire lock for a host favoritism.
Well, see, that's a see now that'sa good part about this show is we
have no say in what anybody does.
So I just, I create the poll we put, webring you guys on and and just have you
have it out to do a little smack talk,have to have a few laughs have a beer.
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Whatever, you know, drink it up likeSarah, you know, whatever you gotta do.
So, but yeah, today was great.
I mean, it's, this is in myview is a, like the Brock
Samson Black Dynamite thing.
This, these two are very, I mean, ifyou look at them at their prime, in my
view, they are very closely matched.
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Granted there was a time andtechnology difference between the two.
I think if you put them in the sametime, whether that's the eighties or 22,
whatever it was then they're probablygoing to have something similar going on.
It looks like Demond is back.
I'm going to go ahead and addhim back in there you are.
Hey, so you got in from the phone.
(35:14):
It looks like.
It's all right.
So yeah we close things out.
I was just kind of given a littlerecap here and what I thought.
So, yeah, and like I saidearlier now, D Demond.
Did you have anythingyou wanted to throw in?
Before?
We move to the next section?
It's always nice to have people whoare so well-prepared and it seems like
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we're it's getting better and better.
Now that we have a few showsunder our belt and we can kind
of show people what's going on.
And then the guests are gettingbetter and better because they see it.
It's and this was no, no exceptionthat guys came prepared there.
Zingers were thrown.
I'm pretty sure I missed a few, whichupsets me a so I guess I have something
(35:54):
to look forward to, but yeah, man I reallyenjoy, I really enjoyed the show because
we get to meet new people and PE and weget to see people bring their, a game over
characters that they love and I love it.
Hell, yeah.
Yeah.
It's it was obvious.
You guys are passionate about youradvocacy for who you've got there.
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So yeah, it's it was well done.
I I applaud you both.
Let's see.
Oh, wait.
It have another comment in here.
yeah.
So, yeah.
I appreciate it, Michael.
We've been going back and forth onTwitter all week and it was nice to
actually finally get to the moment,
it was good.
It's
day.
I was, I was looking forwardto the some iambic pentameter.
I'm not lie, so
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you can tune in, you can find it.
They've they've got the Aliens.
They've got the Alien Shakespeare,and then Husky Jackal in Nashville
produced Terminator the Second.
Yeah.
which is Terminator retold in thewords of Shakespeare, they all they
change where the nouns and pronouns.
Very nice.
I love it.
It was, yeah.
Watched a little bit of it.
(36:56):
I watched a little bit of it.
I enjoyed it.
It was funny.
So, yeah.
Well, I think you've got somebonus content there, Michael.
Yes.
So yeah, Demond I don't know if you haveprinted out our sheet or not, or if you
want me to go ahead and read what's left.
Go ahead and read what's left, man.
Alright.
Alright.
So, because I'm moving Hey, I'm here.
Yeah.
So, because I'm moving to Portlandwe're going to be taking a short hiatus.
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I have to.
I mean, I just, I mean, it's, there'sa lot of stuff I have to move.
I have a lots of podcasting gear andan entire rest of the house to move.
I mean, the rest of the house can stay.
I just need my podcasting stuff.
But, anyway well so after thenew year we're going to have
some new things in the works.
We're going to do a HarryDresden versus John Constantine,
Buffy versus Wynonna Earp.
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And we're going to have anentire and entire bracket,
championships of scrappers.
So like Wayne versus Shoresyfrom Letterkenny Dean
versus Sam and Supernatural.
So.
Wayne's the toughest guy inLetterkenny, established, and
Shoresy doesn't stand a chance.
Ah, but we'll see.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, itdepends on who's the best.
I mean, you could make an argument there.
I mean, cause it could be theargument is Wayne is Shoresy,
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so you never see them together.
So yeah.
And then we're also going to be doinga bracket of a movie slash TV bands.
So like Spinal Tap.
Versus Scott Sex Bob-omb so we'll,we're going to do a whole battles of the
bands, so that will be coming next year.
So stay tuned.
We're going to be we're going tobe bringing some cool stuff to you.
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So, Demond anything youwant to to shout out.
Oh, actually, you know, while I'mthinking about it why don't you
Michael, why don't you give us yourplugs for your stuff and and then
we'll, and then, Ryan, we'll do you.
Sure thanks.
Well, I like I said, at thebeginning, I'm a host at Terminator.
Nope.
Not at Terminator at NoFate: A Terminator Podcast.
You can find us on Twitter @nofatepod.
(38:45):
And you can also find us on our website.
Nofatepodcast.com.
We're currently going through Terminator,the Sarah Connor Chronicles right now.
Actually, our final episode forseason one drops this Saturday or the
season one finale, What He Beheld.
So we're super excited about that.
It's been really great.
We've gone through the movies.
We're through season one ofthe Sarah Connor Chronicles.
We'll probably talk about the moviesagain, and we're going to jump into
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season two of the series in January.
So we're super excited about that.
And I also write a for Collideras well, so I I actually am
working on a Terminator article.
As we speak, I submitted it today.
Excellent.
So that should be out in a week or two.
So
Yeah.
So just send us the links for allthose things, including your article
and we'll put them in our show notes.
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Alright, Ryan.
Let's what are
Hi.
All right.
So my name is Ryan Placchetti.
I am one of the two hostson Don't Wreck Yourself.
It is a podcast where we examinethings that we find on the internet.
Typically to prove whether or notthey're real, true, or worth sharing.
(39:48):
We also answer on Reddit fromthe, a lot of times, it's
from the no stupid questions.
We try to answer these things as seriouslyas we can and provide people with good
sound information that they can shareto their drunk uncles on the internet.
You can find me on Twitter possiblyteasing the no fate podcast about
my impending victory at this.
We'll see.
But we are @wreckyourpodon Twitter, Instagram.
(40:13):
We even have a small TikTok presence.
It's mostly my co-hosts makingfun of people on TikTok, but
it exists and it's there.
That's pretty much all you need toknow about us tune into our podcast.
You might enjoy it.
Right on, right on, right on.
Thank you guys.
Demond anything you want to chipin before before we head out?
I don't I want to congratulateyou and The Boondocks podcast
for hitting 5,000 downloads week.
(40:35):
Yeah, we just, yeah, we had ourseason three finale and we'll be doing
season four with a favorite season foreverybody of the Boondocks for some time
after the beginning of the new year.
And hopefully at some point next yearthey will have the reboot out there.
So I'm looking forward to that.
So.
All right.
(40:56):
Yeah.
That'll be cool
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
And so yeah, I guess if there'snothing else then until next time.
Welcome Adjudicators to another episodeof Disputed where two fictional characters
go head to head armed with only theiradvocates and you will decide the outcome.
Everything.
Is.
Disputed.
Oh, yeah.
(00:33):
Ooh.
How you doing, man?
I am fantastic.
How are you?
Ah, better than most.
Not as good as some.
So let's tell us, tellthe folks who we are.
Well, Hey nerds, I'm Demond.
Father of two husband, and one, you mayknow me from such podcast as Demond Does,
(00:54):
A Different World pod, and In The Stacks,the library podcast or, you may not.
Maybe.
Well, thank you, Demond.
I am Dean, master of somany things podcasting.
You may have may know me from thePodScure Podcasts Network and its
corresponding podcast, How Are Ya Now?
(01:15):
the Letterkenny podcast, The Boondockspodcast, and the upcoming Come
With Me If You Want To Live or GetAway From Me You Bitch podcasts.
That's what I'm involved with.
You liked that one?
Good, good, man.
We had fun last time.
I know it's been three weeks since yeah,cause we had the holiday there, but Man
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that last episode, it was the most votes.
I think we had a, no, I take that back.
So it was not the most votes I misreadthat it is, we didn't get a lot of votes.
I'll put it that way.
That being said we did get agood deal of votes that Brock
Sampson versus Black Dynamite.
Black Dynamite came awaywith the victory 86%.
So yeah, I think that's probably themost lopsided, I think we've had so
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far, so a big congrats to MC E-mazingfor doing such an e-mazing job.
And yeah, Sean, you were a fantasticadvocate for Brock Sampson.
Unfortunately, things justdidn't didn't work out for you.
I'm sorry.
But but yeah Brock that, to me, thatwas a much more evenly matched pair up.
Just in my view, I think there's just alot more Black Dynamite fans out there.
(02:21):
I think some of these votes orthese results I think are result
of just the fan base that wehave so far and who they like.
Yeah, I'm surprised if I was again, likewith Spike and Cassidy, which is pretty
lopsided I was surprised that Black, I wassurprised Black Dynamite won to be honest.
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And I surprised that he washedBrock Samson the way he did.
Oh, big time.
Remember, this a vote, if we were writingit, they probably would've ended up in
a of smoke and created the Grand Canyon.
So there's that?
Yeah.
So yeah, I I was kinda surprisedmyself on how that how that came out.
I was expecting it to be much closer.
Cause, and in all honesty I honestlyfeel that if they fought each
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other, it would just be dead even
Yup.
There's no there's no winner really there.
We were the winners.
We would be the winners.
Very, very true.
So, anything else, or shouldwe, are you ready to introduce
our advocates for this week?
I am ready.
All right, so let's bring them in here.
(03:23):
So we've got Michael from the nofate podcast and we've got Ryan
from the wreck yourself, I guess.
So, I'm gonna go ahead and do whatI do with introducing Michael.
Our first advocate for today, hailsfrom the Windy City, spent some time,
the Big Sky Country, but now takesup residence in the City Of Angels.
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Some call him MJ and some occasionallyreferred to him as no knees on account
of him being born without kneecaps.
I like to think that he probably owedsome money to the mob, but in any case,
give it up for Michael John Petty.
Ah, Michael Michael, Michael MJ.
(04:09):
Oh, we
for having me
I like me some MJs.
I got MJ on the Boondocks podcast.
So MJ's are good folks.
So MJ, who are youadvocating for today and why?
And what do you bring to the.
So I'm advocating for Sarah Connor,because as you mentioned, I host
a Terminator podcast called NoFate: A Terminator Podcast with
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one of my good buddies Tanner.
And ultimately I hope tobring Sarah to the table.
I mean, I kind of thinkshe speaks for herself.
I don't think I have to reallyembellish a whole lot as far as her
capabilities and her qualifications.
I just think that theyneed to be taken to.
Ah, well that, you know, you're not wrong.
So what do you bring to thetable as far as as far as Sarah
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and your devotion to this.
Sure.
So.
I've been I've been a Terminatorfan for a really long time
since I was in high school.
And I just immediately fell in lovewith Terminator 2 specifically,
I'm a huge fan of the SarahConnor Chronicles television show.
That's actually a huge reason whywe started our podcast in the first
place is because very few peoplewere doing that sort of thing.
(05:15):
And I had listened to a Sarah ConnorChronicles podcast a long time
ago, but it has since long gone.
So we decided to do our own.
Right on.
Yeah.
I I watched that when it came outand enjoyed it very much I kind of,
missed, you know, I, I was kind ofbummed out when they took it off.
Cause it was it was a fun show.
Lena Heady was an amazingas Connor, so yeah.
(05:36):
So, and she's proved herself time andtime again, you know, even, you know,
up to, through a game of Thrones.
So yeah.
right.
So Demond.
Do you ready to tointroduce your advocate?
Yes, I am.
Our next advocate is fromSoutheast Pennsylvania.
(06:01):
Unaware of having nicknames.
I'm sure he was called lots of things.
Such as signals, intelligence analyst,Korean linguists, archeology researcher,
and all the way up until now intechnical service, please make some
noise for the man with no nickname.
(06:23):
Mr.
No Nicknames Needed (06:23):
RYAN PLACCHETTI!!!!...........
I don't think anybody's ever said byname that enthusiastically before.
Thank you.
Uh,
I'd hire you to go anywhere with me.
(06:47):
Yeah, we're all about gassingup our our folks here, so
If you don't feel like a big deal beforeyou got here, you're a big, you feel
like you should feel like a big deal now.
That's our job.
Damn right.
Well, thank you.
You're doing a fine job at it.
Well, thank you,
I only hope that I can do thatintroduction justice today.
(07:08):
I expect nothing less.
Demond.
let you.
Yes.
So first of all, Ryan, who areyou advocating for this evening?
And also why?
I am advocating for humanity, whichmeans I'm supporting Ellen Ripley.
has a fantastic track recordof preventing apocalypses.
(07:36):
No, I think she's a bad ass.
And honestly, you know, as far aswhat I'm bringing to the table you
know, in, when I went to college, II took some cyborg feminism classes.
I wrote some papers on Terminator.
I was ready to tackle this froma very intellectual standpoint.
I've got all my T's crossed my I's dotted.
I'm ready to go.
Very nice.
Oh, yeah.
Bringing that smoke.
(07:56):
What I like to hear.
All right.
So, all right.
So I will talk about this episode now.
This episode brings the disputesbetween two of the most iconic women
to command a James Cameron franchise,who are these two bad-ass protagonists.
You asked only two of the most dedicated,brilliant and loyal ladies ever to body, a
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final boss and rescue those in their care.
Sarah Connor versus Ellen Ripley.
All right.
So the rules are as such.
Each person will get a five minuteopening statement followed by their
opponents rebuttal for two minutes.
I have buttons that will signal.
I will signal off when I'vestarted and you'll hear a noise
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once you've hit that time.
After that.
Each host, Demond and I, will aska question for which you will be
able to answer over two minutes andthere may or may not be questions
from the crowd who is watching andanyone who's watching, if you have a
question for either of our advocates,please put them in the comments.
I think, I don't think you can dothat through Twitter, but I think
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you can through everything else.
So Facebook, YouTube and Twitter.
So after that, yeah.
So after that you get a twominute closing arguments each
and then everybody will go vote.
You can bank time.
So if you have say, you've only used threeminutes of your opening statement and you
want to bank that extra two minutes forsomething else you need, you just say so.
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And and then also Demond, and I have thefull wherewithal to extend time for you.
Another 30 seconds.
All right.
Any questions before we get going?
So, being that you were the firstadvocate, MJ, you will, you are, will be
on the clock for oh my God, Sarah Connor.
(09:41):
I don't, my brain is just like,
I'm like even wearing a Terminator shirt.
I know, I know, man.
It's just sometimes, you know,I'm moving in less than two weeks.
My brain is not all here.
So, so I'm going to go ahead and startthe clock for five minutes and you are on.
Great.
So I would a hundred percent trustSarah Connor over Ellen Ripley to get
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me out of a bad spot because she has theadequate training to do so, you know,
after spending the majority of her adultlife learning basic combat self-defense
military grade weapons training.
Not to mention her ability to keepa low profile and get off the grid.
If necessary.
Sarah Connor is a flesh andblood machine who will stop at
nothing to protect her charge.
While Ripley only fightsfor her own survival.
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Sarah fights, as the motherof John Connor, the future
leader of the human resistance.
With infinitely more pressure, Sarah hasto teach her son everything his future
self would come to know, from his abilityto lead to basic toughness and integrity.
It all came from this incrediblesingle mother who stopped at
nothing to not just protect him,but prepare him for the future.
If Sarah Connor decides thatyou're worth protecting, you
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don't really have any reason tothink you won't make it out alive.
On various occasions, differing versionsof Sarah, protected and kept safe
John Connor, Kyle Reese, DannyRamos from different incarnations of
terminators, each scarier than the last.
She won't think twice aboutjumping straight into the fire,
if it means getting you out alive.
Though her tactical skills rarelycall for anything so drastic.
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When we first meet Sarah, she'sa scared 19 year old girl who has
no idea what her future holds.
When she finds out,
after some convincing, of course,she commits her life to not only
stopping the T-800 that's after her,but also preparing her son for his
role in the world's salvation from theSkynet, a foe who is neither living,
nor breathing, who you can't justeject into space and hope goes away.
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Yet, it's with this way of the worldon her shoulders that she presses
on hoping to stop judgement day.
Yes, there are differentincarnations of Sarah Connor who
hail from different timelines.
The first to follow the Sarah Connor, weall know played by Linda Hamilton, the
most iconic version, probably the one thatwe're all thinking of immediately when we
think of Sarah Connor, but Genesys rebootsthe character through Emilia Clarke into
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a born warrior who was actually raisedby a Terminator, which gives her a
different kind of advantage in some ways.
Add to that the Dark Fate incarnationwhich suffered a terrible loss yet
continues to hunt machines so thatno one else has to feel her pain.
This isn't even dimension Lena Headey'sinterpretation in the Sarah Connor
Chronicles, which humanizes Sarah ina way that none of the other films
could in a very motherly way, verysimilar to Ripley in in some respects
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while also keeping Sarah's edge.
Throughout the short-lived series,she does her best to train her son for
the future while also trying to stopthat future from ever even occurring.
If these different timelinesprove anything about Sarah
though, it's that she's consistentno matter her circumstances.
No matter the stakes she will stopat nothing to save the world and
those she cares deepest about.
That said, though,Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
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The greatest action film of all time,by the way, provides us with our
most iconic version of Sarah Connor.
The one who fights the T-1000 to thedeath in order to stop Synet's apocalypse.
Here, Linda Hamilton's Sarah standsup to Arnold Schwarzenegger's classic
T-800 and actually has proven time andtime again to be just as culturally
iconic and important, if not moreso than the Terminator himself.
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But let's take a look at Sarah's failuresquick so that we can be transparent here
because she's not without her flaws.
In Dark Fate, the film opens withSarah losing John to the T-800
only a year after the events of T2.
And while I personally think thisis the worst possible decision and
the most uncharacteristic ever madein the Terminator franchise it's
worth noting that this is also theonly onscreen timeline in which
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Sarah actually fails that mission.
In the original James Cameron films, shesucceeds and seemingly stops judgment day.
In Terminator 3 (13:24):
Rise of the Machines and Terminator
she trained John adequately and gave himenough weapons and prophetic information
to take down Skynet in the future.
In Genesys, she saves Kyle Reese from hisusual death and stops Skynet from being
born, rewriting the timeline completely.
And in Dark Fate, she helps protect thenew leader of the human resistance, Danny,
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and actually takes her under her wing.
This isn't even to mention allthe people she saves in Sarah
Connor Chronicles as well.
But the point is that Sarah rarely loses.
And while Ripley may ultimatelywin against the Xenomorphs more
often than not, it's at a cost.
And that cost is usually justabout everyone around her.
While Sarah May lose some folksalong the way, those she saves
always how number though she loses.
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And that is why I wouldtrust her with my life.
All right.
So you will be banking,if you want, 45 seconds.
I'll take it.
All right.
All right.
So, Ryan, if you are ready, I'm going tobring you over here and you will start
your two minute rebuttal for Ellen Ripley.
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All right.
Well, I'd like to compliment Michaelfirst and foremost for his excellent
job of representing Sarah Connor.
She is an iconic female hero.
However, I think you may havedownplayed some of her faults.
I can't seem to remember who the ultimatebad guy at the end of Terminator:
Genesys was, but I'm pretty sure that'sanother John Connor that didn't make it.
I'll go ahead and bank the restof my time and roll it right into
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my five minute prepared statement.
All right.
So give me a second andI will switch that over.
Alright.
That's a unique tactic.
Yeah.
There you go.
So you got, yeah you got five sixand a half minutes, basically.
First and foremost, EllenRipley is the hero of her story.
Sarah Connor is a supporting characterdestined to shepherd others so that
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they can lead the resistance againstSkynet or Legion or John Connor.
I'm looking at you, EmeliaClark, Sarah Connor, whatever.
At her best, she's a valuablemember of an ensemble cast.
At her worst, a victim along for the ride.
In the first film, Michael Beihn's,Kyle Reese declares that it's
just him and the terminator.
He isn't there to helpSarah defeat a Terminator.
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He's there to prevent the Terminatorfrom killing Sarah, and he succeeds.
By the time she gets to push thebutton to destroy that Terminator
it's down to a single limb.
He has stuffed the pipe bombin its chest and done it in.
He's there to prevent like Isaid, he's there to prevent the
Terminator from killing Sarah.
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In the film that defined her role inthe series, T2 judgment day, Arnold
Schwarzenegger's T-800 does mostof the heavy lifting and combat.
Sarah was at her most capable inthat movie when escaping from the
mental hospital, a plot that wouldhave been foiled, had it not been
for the arrival of John Connor anda couple of dueling terminators as
she was being swarmed by orderlies.
Her biggest contribution to combat inthe first two films is steering the truck
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while strong men make things explode.
So much for "girl power".
In contrast, Ellen Ripley takes chargeof every situation, whether surrounded
by a platoon of space Marines ormurderous criminals, she earns their
respect and ultimately takes chargeof the fight against the Xenomorphs.
Although she does her share of drivingand she manages to kill aliens even
while driving and undoubtedly ultimatelykills her foes, Sarah does not.
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And if you want to talk about efficiencyin 1979's Alien, Ripley dispatches her
first killer robot with 30 minutes leftto spare, leaving plenty of time for
her to single-handedly defeat the alienthat's killed the rest of her crew.
And let's be honest, it's hard toignore James Cameron's mommy issues,
the entire Terminator franchise and theAlien franchise from the second film
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on are steeped in weird mommy trauma.
Ripley saddled with the nurturing Newtand facing off against the alien queen
and the second film, and then confrontedwith the choice to essentially give birth
to an alien queen in the third movie.
She chooses instead to throwherself into molten metal.
That's what heroes do when thefuture of humanity is on the line.
And it's how you know that Sarah,Connor's not the hero of her best
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outing in the Terminator franchise.
Big metal thumbs up to Ripley.
She gets it.
Sarah, by contrast, clings to themessage from her future son, that there
is no fate while blindly acceptingthe role that he is assigned her.
Saying that Sarah is the hero ofher story is like saying Mary is
the hero of the new Testament.
Unlike a cyborg sent from thefuture, it does not track.
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Ripley's unwavering goodjudgment is evident all the
way back in the first film.
She's the first that determined thatthe beacon they followed as a warning.
When Lambert and Dallas bring, Kaneback to the ship with a face hugger
attached to him, Ripley refusesthem entry to to avoid exposing the
ship to an unknown contamination.
Her good judgment would have savedall, but one member of the Nostromo.
By by contrast, Sarah Connor uponrealizing that multiple Sarah Connors had
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been slain and sensing danger immediatelycalls her roommate, Ginger, and leaves
a message advertising her location.
The Terminator uses that message to findher and dozens of people die as collateral
damage in the hunt for John Connor's mom.
Michael makes some great points aboutall the people that she saves, but
what about all the people that getwaxed by terminators along the way?
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In Alien 2.
Ripley warns the company to evacuatethe colony because of the Xenomorph
threat, which they ignore andpredictably, it gets out of hand.
Again, if they'd followed Ripley'sadvice, none of this would have happened.
This results in them asking her to come onas a consultant for the rescue operation.
She consistently shows asuperior understanding of
the danger of the situation.
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Ultimately evacuating four survive...
four survivors.
And I hate to be a bean counter here, butMichael Beihn makes it through this one.
He doesn't get killed until Alien 3.
By contrast in her second outting, Sarahruns off half cocked to go assassinate
Miles, Dyson, shooting him in theshoulder and traumatizing his family
before John and the T-800 show up.
Shown a little bit of evidence and findout that he's actually a pretty good guy
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who signs up to save humanity on the spot.
Her poor judgment almost cost thema powerful ally who ends up being
instrumental in taking down Cyberdine.
In virtually every Alien film, if everyonelistens to what Ripley says to do from
the beginning, disaster can be averted.
Sarah Connor's track record isspotty at best, but she isn't.
The most stable person is she?
In Dark Fate she reveals thatshe's here to kill terminators
and get blackout drunk.
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And honestly, most of the timeshe's fresh out of terminators.
So it's not like she'skilling them every day.
It's mostly just getting blackout drunk.
Sarah has access to knowledgeof present day weaponry, and
she knows how to handle them.
Ripley has access to futuristic assault,weapons, flamethrowers, APCs, cargo-loader
exoskeletons, and her arsenal isdeeper and more dangerous than Sarah's.
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Furthermore, Ripley knows how things work.
Remember when she determined that thespace Marines rounds could potentially
detonate the nuclear facility, theywere in the base that they were in
based on looking at the schematic?
That's something that the corporateexecutive planning the mission, the
android, and the military leadership miss.
Ripley caught it.
She can also pilot a spaceship.
Her scientific knowledge gives heran edge when it comes to planning
and understanding futuristic threats.
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Sarah is just sitting around gettingdrunk, waiting to blow things up.
In a hand-to-hand fight, Sarahmight have an edge in training.
Especially the Emilia Clarke version.
But if she's fighting Ripley fromAlien Resurrection, she's fighting
a, Ripley who's been spliced withXenomorph DNA, giving her super
strength, agility, acid, blood, anda psychic connection to the aliens.
At this point in the franchise,Ripley's a couple of hundred years
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old has super powers and has neverallowed humanity to get wiped out.
Sarah got older and drunker.
You can't seem to stop thefuture for being taken over by
killer robots, advantage Ripley.
And if you want to compare apples toapples, In 2000 and the 2001 Dark Horse
comics in 2001 Dark Horse comics releasedAlien vs Predator vs Terminator, a comic
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sequel taking place after the eventsof Alien Resurrection in which crypto
terminators leftover from the 21stcentury use alien DNA to create super
soldiers, cyborgs capable of replicatingthemselves and rebuilding Skynet.
I'll give you a couple more secondsto finish your thought there.
By the end of the four issue series,Ripley has defeated the Xenomorphs,
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been made an honorary predator, anddefeated Skynet for the final time.
Advantage Ripley.
All right.
Wow.
mind, my.
MJ Europe Europe fora two-minute rebuttal.
You ready for that?
Yeah, I guess so,
Get after it.
Well, I think there's a coupleof things we need to talk about.
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First of all the John Connor who becomesevil in the future in Genesys has nothing
to do with Sarah Sarah's long dead.
You know, that judgment day has happened.
Skynet is doing his thing and sureJohn Connor was trained by Sarah.
That's absolutely a hundred percent true.
But if you want to talk about Skynetgetting the drop on him, we also have
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to talk about how the Xenomorph gets thedrop on Ripley in Alien 3, which kills
Hicks and Newt, which was basicallythe whole point of Aliens was saving
them and getting everyone out alive.
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to happen.
And also in Alien Resurrections, wehave a Ripley who, yes, is definitely
superior to the original in terms ofshe has more ability and acid blood
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and the connection to the Xenomorphs.
Absolutely.
But because of that, Xenomorphs alsohave more of a connection to her
and are smarter, faster, strongerin a lot of ways than originally.
And that's partially due toRipley, in that instance.
Ripley's also super hesitantto do anything after the first
Alien movie, she has no desireto actively take down Xenomorphs.
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If she's basically dragged into Aliens,kicking and screaming, whereas Sarah's
instinct is to take the fight toSkynet and does so in Terminator 2.
No one around Ripley also believes heror listens to her at any point in time.
So whether she knew or not, it doesn'treally seem to matter in the long run
because nobody listened to anyway.
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And if we're going to talk about herdefeating an android on her spaceship,
we also have to mention that androidsare nowhere near, as strong as
terminators, and certainly are not aT-1000, the liquid metal Terminator.
Also Ripley often hasto rise to the occasion.
Ultimately proving that she is asole survivor of her situation.
Often she is the sole survivor of everyAlien movie, whereas Sarah usually
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has either John or Kyle or Danny orwhoever you want by the end of the
film, proving that she can actually
I'll give you a little bit more time.
Ultimately I think the point isthat if we're looking at who is
actually the better protector,which was the point right then
Sarah obviously has the advantage.
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All right then.
Well, Demond.
Yes.
Yes.
So, yeah, those excellentarguments and rebuttals.
I I, you know, and I'm gonna, I'mgoing to go ahead and bring this one up
actually Demond you want to let's see.
Do you wanna, did you want to askhim, you have a question for Michael?
Let's see.
Michael was advocating for Sarah, correct?
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Yes.
Okay.
So.
The, for me, cause I've watchedall the movies, but the ones that
really stick stuck with me is theirinitial incarnations where they're
both in their very first movies.
How do you think Sarah Connor wouldhave reacted to the Xenomorph?
I think Sarah Connor would have beenreally freaked out if we're talking
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about Terminator 1 if we're talking aboutTerminator 2, I think, I don't think it'd
be hard for her to take that guy out.
Wait because of tacticsor because of training?
Because a lot, cause there were, andI'm just playing devil's advocate here,
there, you know, they had a ship fullof Marines and only Ripley survived.
You what I mean?
So I like, how would she be different?
Well, I think Sarah would bedifferent for a few reasons.
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I think, one, Sarah's usedto fighting terminators.
So if we're going to go based offTerminator 2, Sarah terminators
are theoretically a lot moreintense than Xenomorphs.
You can't, they don't bleed,they don't need to breathe.
If they get launched out intospace, they could come right back.
It wouldn't be an issue for them.
Whereas Xenomorph does breathe.
Does need food.
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Does can bleed and Sarah's use of all ofher weapons and that training that she has
there would give her the edge, I think,over Ripley, in this case who didn't have
the same kind of weapons training thatSarah Connor put herself through after
her first encounter with the Terminator.
Okay.
All right.
So yeah.
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So Ryan.
Yes.
Let's say Ripley is a 19 yearold waitress, and there are
terminators hunting, Ellen Ripley.
How, how is she dealing withthat, that's any different from
how Sarah Connor dealt with that?
I think, first of all, I thinkRipley's got a cooler head.
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She probably wouldn't carry theTerminator to term I mean, if we're
going to compare apples to orangeshere, I think that, I think there's also
an education gap between even a youngRipley versus a young Sarah Connor.
Sarah Connor's hanging out as a waitressand Ripley as a skilled pilot when
she's starting out, she's young, butshe's not entirely inexperienced.
And she's extraordinarily well-informed.
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Clearly she has the abilityto handle cryptographic
problems such as alien beacons.
So she decode an alien beacon.
I have a feeling that a
T Tanner's coming in withsome good ones for you.
"She only carries aliens to term."
He's throwing heat.
Yeah, he is.
That's my boy.
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And how long did that alien last?
Uh,
Incinerated instantaneously, becauseshe'd just thrown herself in molten metal.
So I think that she would deal with it.
I don't think the Terminator would havefound her because I don't think that she
would have advertised her location to it.
If that makes any sense.
And, odds are, if I know EllenRipley, she's not in the phone book.
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Gmail address?
Uh, it's EllenRipley@gmail.com.
No, actually Ellen Ripley probably.
Does Ellen Ripley use a VPN?
She probably is actually in phone bookbecause he's just living in some schlubby
apartment at the beginning of, at thebeginning of Aliens after they rescue her.
Yeah.
Yeah, I so my view, because myview on that is, yeah, they are
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two people from separate times.
You know, so I'm just kinda curious ifyou put Ellen Ripley, you know, she's
1980s, waitress, you know, I, you know,that's, you know, how they, how they
portrayed Sarah is not drasticallydifferent than any other waitress,
I think, you would probably see atthe time that it was that same age.
So I'm just kind of curiousif you thought that Ellen...
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Would Ellen even be a waitress?
So, so yeah, there's somethings to think about there.
I don't think the Ellen would be Idon't think that Ellen would be a
waitress, but you know, that ragtaggroup of people on the Nostromo fought
off the alien with makeshift weapons.
They didn't actually have weapons.
They built flame throwers outof out of construction material.
So if they were, if they were to swapplaces, how would I think it's fair.
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If we're going to ask how Ellendid was going to do as a waitress?
I think Sarah Connor would be doingwhat she did in her own movie,
which is following everybody elseuntil somebody ultimately saves her.
All right then.
Demond, you there or are you frozen?
I think we lost him.
That's all right.
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Michael, you're the new cohost.
Grill me.
Well, this is going to be rigged then.
Ah
I'm confident in thecase that I presented.
Yeah, You both did an excellent job.
So, so what I'm going to goahead and do, so I'm sure Demond
we'll be back in a second.
So, let's go ahead, Ryan.
I'm going to have you give your closingargument and for you, you get two
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minutes and then Michael, you'll gettwo minutes for your closing argument.
So, let's let me go aheadand bring right up here.
So, and two minutes go.
So Michael made the argumentthat it's harder to kill a
Terminator than a Xenomorph.
But that's actually a matter of debate.
Futuristic weapons are effectiveagainst both, but Sarah doesn't
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have access to those weapons.
That makes the Terminator seemmore dangerous than a Xenomorph.
But the first alien Ripley foughtwas not only ejected into space,
but it was still alive in space.
And trying to climb back into theship, through the activated thrusters.
And ultimately it didn't getincinerated by the thrusters.
The tether that was attached to itwas was destroyed by the thrusters.
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And it just launched off into space.
We don't have proof of death ofthat alien or the alien queen.
The only one that we can say wasdefinitely sucked out the space was the
human alien hybrid in the fourth movie.
And that's because it went through a smallhole, created in the hull of a spaceship
just by a drop of Ellen Ripley's blood.
She is a dangerous woman inside and out.
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In a fight Sarah's outgunned out,punched and out fought by Ripley.
She has a weaker personalityand is a poor leader with a
history of making bad choices.
If it came down to a direct conflictbetween the two of them, Ripley
would probably just wait for herto pass out drunk and kill her
in her sleep with an incinerator.
It would be an act of kindnessafter she failed to save her son.
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And you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I might be a little bit, I mightbe a little bit behind the times
of my Terminator knowledge, butin Terminator Genesys who kills
the John Connor Terminator?
I'm pretty sure it was Sarah.
And if it wasn't Sarah directly,she certainly had a hand in it.
So who's the better protect protector?
Well, Ripley protected, Newtand Hicks and Bishop all the
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way through the end of Aliens.
And she protected all ofhumanity every single time.
And every single time she had tosave humanity, it was a new Zenomorph
threat or Terminator threat.
If you go into the comics,
Well done.
Well done.
All right, Michael, if you'reready, let's let's go ahead and
give you your two minutes and go.
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Sure thing.
Well, Ryan, you did a really adequate jobadvocating for Ripley and I commend you.
You have a lot of really greatpoints about her specifically, but
I would still argue with you thatSarah is the better protector.
Yes.
Ripley does protect Hicks, Bishop,and Newu all the way through Aliens,
but fails to actually check thespaceship so that by the time Alien
3 comes around, they are long dead.
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Besides that Sarah, most versions ofSarah, whether she is the one actually
killing the Terminator or not, shestill has a hand in doing that.
She is still vital to the successof each mission, whether it's the
rev nine, whether it's John Connorin Genesys, whether it's the T-1000.
Without her, these thingsdon't get destroyed.
These things kill their prey.
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They take out John Connor, they takeout Kyle Reese, they take out Danny
Ramos and then ultimately humanity.
And in multiple versions, it seems likethe future has been changed and actually
been saved, which would save just aboutas many people as you claim Ripley would.
Besides all of that too, Sarah herself,whether or not she has a drinking
problem in some some of the incarnationsis, sure, a little bit unstable, but
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that's because she knows she's right.
And ultimately whether she'sunstable or not, she will
ultimately do the right thing.
She doesn't kill Myles Dyson.
She chooses to use himto help them stop Skynet.
And it succeeds as far as we can tell.
And beyond all of that,it's just, I don't know.
I trust Sarah.
I know Sarah would be able to getus through because, ultimately,
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she would stop at nothing to do so.
She doesn't throw herselfinto the VAT of liquid.
She throws her enemies there.
All right.
Well done.
Well done.
Oh man.
Well, I dunno if a Demond is goingto make it back, but I'm going to
go ahead and close this part outand say: So, now that the dispute is
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ended it's time to go settle things.
We're going to have you go to voteat disputedpod.com/connorvripley.
You'll go there and choose your winner.
We will now, because we're not goingto be back in two weeks, we'll probably
announce the winner we will on our nextepisode, but we're going to, well announce
it prior to prior to then as well.
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It's just so, so everyone will know,I'm not just going to leave you hanging.
So, so, yeah, we'll we'll we'll closethe voting out and in two weeks, so the
voting will be open for two weeks, whichis our normal in-between show time.
So everyone go vote Connor, Ripley,who you got put that in there and and.
It's I expect some goodthings out of this one.
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So, let's see what else?
Yeah.
Oh, I should have bought one of thoseshirts before I came on show, that'd be
sure-fire lock for a host favoritism.
Well, see, that's a see now that'sa good part about this show is we
have no say in what anybody does.
So I just, I create the poll we put, webring you guys on and and just have you
have it out to do a little smack talk,have to have a few laughs have a beer.
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Whatever, you know, drink it up likeSarah, you know, whatever you gotta do.
So, but yeah, today was great.
I mean, it's, this is in myview is a, like the Brock
Samson Black Dynamite thing.
This, these two are very, I mean, ifyou look at them at their prime, in my
view, they are very closely matched.
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Granted there was a time andtechnology difference between the two.
I think if you put them in the sametime, whether that's the eighties or 22,
whatever it was then they're probablygoing to have something similar going on.
It looks like Demond is back.
I'm going to go ahead and addhim back in there you are.
Hey, so you got in from the phone.
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It looks like.
It's all right.
So yeah we close things out.
I was just kind of given a littlerecap here and what I thought.
So, yeah, and like I saidearlier now, D Demond.
Did you have anythingyou wanted to throw in?
Before?
We move to the next section?
It's always nice to have people whoare so well-prepared and it seems like
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we're it's getting better and better.
Now that we have a few showsunder our belt and we can kind
of show people what's going on.
And then the guests are gettingbetter and better because they see it.
It's and this was no, no exceptionthat guys came prepared there.
Zingers were thrown.
I'm pretty sure I missed a few, whichupsets me a so I guess I have something
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to look forward to, but yeah, man I reallyenjoy, I really enjoyed the show because
we get to meet new people and PE and weget to see people bring their, a game over
characters that they love and I love it.
Hell, yeah.
Yeah.
It's it was obvious.
You guys are passionate about youradvocacy for who you've got there.
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So yeah, it's it was well done.
I I applaud you both.
Let's see.
Oh, wait.
It have another comment in here.
yeah.
So, yeah.
I appreciate it, Michael.
We've been going back and forth onTwitter all week and it was nice to
actually finally get to the moment,
it was good.
It's
day.
I was, I was looking forwardto the some iambic pentameter.
I'm not lie, so
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you can tune in, you can find it.
They've they've got the Aliens.
They've got the Alien Shakespeare,and then Husky Jackal in Nashville
produced Terminator the Second.
Yeah.
which is Terminator retold in thewords of Shakespeare, they all they
change where the nouns and pronouns.
Very nice.
I love it.
It was, yeah.
Watched a little bit of it.
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I watched a little bit of it.
I enjoyed it.
It was funny.
So, yeah.
Well, I think you've got somebonus content there, Michael.
Yes.
So yeah, Demond I don't know if you haveprinted out our sheet or not, or if you
want me to go ahead and read what's left.
Go ahead and read what's left, man.
Alright.
Alright.
So, because I'm moving Hey, I'm here.
Yeah.
So, because I'm moving to Portlandwe're going to be taking a short hiatus.
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I have to.
I mean, I just, I mean, it's, there'sa lot of stuff I have to move.
I have a lots of podcasting gear andan entire rest of the house to move.
I mean, the rest of the house can stay.
I just need my podcasting stuff.
But, anyway well so after thenew year we're going to have
some new things in the works.
We're going to do a HarryDresden versus John Constantine,
Buffy versus Wynonna Earp.
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And we're going to have anentire and entire bracket,
championships of scrappers.
So like Wayne versus Shoresyfrom Letterkenny Dean
versus Sam and Supernatural.
So.
Wayne's the toughest guy inLetterkenny, established, and
Shoresy doesn't stand a chance.
Ah, but we'll see.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, itdepends on who's the best.
I mean, you could make an argument there.
I mean, cause it could be theargument is Wayne is Shoresy,
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so you never see them together.
So yeah.
And then we're also going to be doinga bracket of a movie slash TV bands.
So like Spinal Tap.
Versus Scott Sex Bob-omb so we'll,we're going to do a whole battles of the
bands, so that will be coming next year.
So stay tuned.
We're going to be we're going tobe bringing some cool stuff to you.
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So, Demond anything youwant to to shout out.
Oh, actually, you know, while I'mthinking about it why don't you
Michael, why don't you give us yourplugs for your stuff and and then
we'll, and then, Ryan, we'll do you.
Sure thanks.
Well, I like I said, at thebeginning, I'm a host at Terminator.
Nope.
Not at Terminator at NoFate: A Terminator Podcast.
You can find us on Twitter @nofatepod.
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And you can also find us on our website.
Nofatepodcast.com.
We're currently going through Terminator,the Sarah Connor Chronicles right now.
Actually, our final episode forseason one drops this Saturday or the
season one finale, What He Beheld.
So we're super excited about that.
It's been really great.
We've gone through the movies.
We're through season one ofthe Sarah Connor Chronicles.
We'll probably talk about the moviesagain, and we're going to jump into
(39:06):
season two of the series in January.
So we're super excited about that.
And I also write a for Collideras well, so I I actually am
working on a Terminator article.
As we speak, I submitted it today.
Excellent.
So that should be out in a week or two.
So
Yeah.
So just send us the links for allthose things, including your article
and we'll put them in our show notes.
(39:27):
Alright, Ryan.
Let's what are
Hi.
All right.
So my name is Ryan Placchetti.
I am one of the two hostson Don't Wreck Yourself.
It is a podcast where we examinethings that we find on the internet.
Typically to prove whether or notthey're real, true, or worth sharing.
(39:48):
We also answer on Reddit fromthe, a lot of times, it's
from the no stupid questions.
We try to answer these things as seriouslyas we can and provide people with good
sound information that they can shareto their drunk uncles on the internet.
You can find me on Twitter possiblyteasing the no fate podcast about
my impending victory at this.
We'll see.
But we are @wreckyourpodon Twitter, Instagram.
(40:13):
We even have a small TikTok presence.
It's mostly my co-hosts makingfun of people on TikTok, but
it exists and it's there.
That's pretty much all you need toknow about us tune into our podcast.
You might enjoy it.
Right on, right on, right on.
Thank you guys.
Demond anything you want to chipin before before we head out?
I don't I want to congratulateyou and The Boondocks podcast
for hitting 5,000 downloads week.
(40:35):
Yeah, we just, yeah, we had ourseason three finale and we'll be doing
season four with a favorite season foreverybody of the Boondocks for some time
after the beginning of the new year.
And hopefully at some point next yearthey will have the reboot out there.
So I'm looking forward to that.
So.
All right.
(40:56):
Yeah.
That'll be cool
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
And so yeah, I guess if there'snothing else then until next time.
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