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What does it take to walk away from a 20-year emotionally abusive marriage with nothing but a suitcase and a few canvases? Jodi Law shares her remarkable journey of transformation from feeling like "a lodger in my own home" to creating a life of authenticity and inner peace.
Unlike physical abuse, emotional abuse leaves no visible scars but devastates your sense of self. "You don't know who you are anymore because everything that you think is questioned by the other party," Jodi explains. After leaving her marriage and rebuilding her relationship with her children, Jodi discovered that conventional therapy and medication weren't enough to help her heal. Instead, she found transformation through yoga and energy medicine practices that allowed her to reconnect with herself on a profound level.
As a former healthcare professional who worked in intensive care and cardiac catheterization for 30 years, Jodi brings a unique perspective to holistic healing. She explains how our bodies' energy systems work, why 90% of chronic illnesses stem from stress keeping us in "fight or flight" mode, and how simple energy practices can create balance. Now, through her 12-week energy medicine program, Jodi helps others find their authentic selves and create lives aligned with their true purpose. "Your body is designed to heal itself," she shares. "You just have to give it the right environment to do so."
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
hi, I'm carlene and this is diva tonight.
I have with me on zoom jody lawand she is in manchester, uk,
united kingdom.
I guess is what you say.
Most people say the uk.
So how, how are you, hi,caroline?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, that's good.
The accent is not veryMancunian.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Definitely, I think.
I think a lot of people in,especially here in North America
, we're always a little bitobsessed with the British accent
, or, you know, just any accentthat sounds different from ours.
Because you're, so it's carriedas the the well-spoken right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So and so then then an Australian accent comes on.
Completely sorry about thatthat's okay.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
so, anyways, the show is diva tonight and this is 40,
a female perspective andbasically, um, I'm talking to
women who have, who are 40, orwomen who are older, just to
talk about their personalstories and their personal
experiences.
And for you, you've had quitethe journey.
(01:18):
You've worked in the healthcare sector, for health system
for 30 years and you know, Ithink the hardest thing to
discuss is being in anemotionally abusive marriage for
11 years.
You know, I wasn't, I'm notmarried, but I think I can
understand what that's likemyself, because abusive family
(01:42):
is what I grew up with and Idon't really talk about it.
But I think when you're at thisstage in life, you are
comfortable talking aboutcertain things.
So for you, what was thedeciding factor in leaving an
abusive relationship?
What was the turning point?
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Like you know, I have come such a long way since then
, but for me there was a coupleof things that happened actually
.
So it was actually a 20-yearmarriage.
Yeah, we were 12 years inbefore I had children.
So at that stage my childrenwere really like five and seven.
They were young and it had gotto the stage where I didn't have
any input with them in therelationship.
(02:22):
I was working and basicallybringing in the money and long
shifts, so I'd go to work andthey were in bed and I'd get
home and they were in bed and sowhen I did get to see them,
they already had their the threeof them as in my ex-husband and
the two children had theirroutine going on.
So I, even when I wasn'tworking, I did, I wasn't, it was
(02:43):
like I was a lodger in my ownhome, and so there was a couple
of things that happened.
I met someone who I just foundreally interesting and we moved
around a lot.
So I didn't have, I wasn't,even though I went to work.
Like you say, you don't talkabout that sort of stuff, you
just don't.
And emotional abuse is a funnything because, like physical
(03:03):
abuse, you can see it, butemotional is a totally different
thing.
It's you basically end upsecond guessing yourself all the
time.
You don't know who you areanymore at all because
everything that you think is youbelieve is questioned by the
other party.
So you're really lost.
And so we've been in a placethis time for two years, and I
(03:24):
got to know a couple of thegirls that I worked with and
there was a couple of situationswhere it was just so evident
that my ex-husband was just hewas just so rude to them and I
thought, oh my God, it's notjust me at all, it's not me,
it's him.
And they were just so blatantand I'd had got to that point
where I didn't have the childrenin my life, how I wanted to be
(03:47):
a parent, and it was just likethat's it, I'd had enough, like
there was no plan other than Ineed to get out of here.
And so I did.
I literally packed a suitcaseand I paint, so I took a couple
of canvases and left, and thestory that I think he told the
children was that I was justgoing to stay with a friend, but
(04:09):
he's not very open about thosethings, so I don't actually know
what story he did tell thechildren.
Anyway, life's a lot differentnow, but at the time, yeah, it
was.
I'm so, so, so, so, so pleasedI left.
But, oh my God, the heart thatthat you go through when you
walk down the steps of theproperty that you've been living
with and when they're out goingfor a coffee and you just don't
(04:30):
go back like yeah it feels likeyou.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You left a life that you were so used to right.
And I always wonder, becauseit's like they say that we kind
of like embody the life that wegrew up with.
So I don't know, did you, wereyour parents, married, did they
have a good marriage?
Did you have good role models?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
and in that, yes, yeah, exactly like it was so
different to how I grew up, likeno way.
My child was middle class mom,dad, three sisters and very
uneventful, which is pretty goodwhat I've experienced so it's
like a total experience, likeit's more like like you grew up
(05:18):
or it's totally opposite.
It's a bit like so I say to mydaughter you do realize you'll
either marry someone like yourfather or someone totally
opposite.
It's not an in-between thing.
And I went totally oppositewith my relationship.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, and you know what I think it's.
You don't know someone untilyou live with them and their
behavior changes, and there'sobviously some issues that they
have that they haven't dealtwith and you can only help.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
so much right and but also though I, like I wasn't in
a good place when I met him.
You don't meet people like thatif you're, if you're happy
about yourself, and he was quitea bit older than me, so there
was a lot of issues going on andI had traveled on my own, I'd
done a lot of stuff on my ownand I just and and I wasn't
happy with my career choice, allthese things that bundled up
into me not having a very highself-esteem anyway, because if I
(06:11):
had been happy, I would havemet someone that I was happy
with.
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I mean, yeah, they always say that, so it's.
I was talking to a colleague ofmine yesterday and she's you
know, there's a lot of thingslike you know when you you
listen to these podcasts, likethe Mel Robbins podcast or even
the greatness podcast, wherethey talk about how you have to
be happy with yourself and whereyou are in life to attract that
(06:39):
kind of person, and you said,yeah yeah, and's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like.
So my, my healing journey beganwhen I left there and I've
learned so much about me sincebecause I didn't know anything
about me, I mean even just basicstuff.
It was like I had no blueprintof how to live life.
It was that whole.
When I got out, like I canremember.
This is how I smile and laughbecause it's just like how does
(07:07):
an intelligent woman get herselfinto this position?
But it doesn't matter, I meananyone, it can happen to anyone.
That's the thing.
Yeah, yeah.
So I can remember going to worknot long after I'd left and my
sister had given me enough moneyto get a car.
So I remember my head.
It was such a big deal.
I had to visualize how I wasgoing to go to the petrol
station and get petrol in thecar, because I was just so
(07:30):
stressed about the fact, becauseI hadn't done it on my own,
like, and, and then that wasbefore I got to work.
I was just, it was crazy, butthat's the extent to it was.
It was you're going through,yeah, yeah, just so let's just
what do you?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was what happens when you yeah.
So what do you say?
It's what happens when you'rewhat going through the motions
or you're just going throughyour day.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It was completely that it's just like there was no
blueprint on how to live mylife outside that, because I'd
been in such a cocoon for solong, we moved around so much
and we did so much yeah, so wehad no community out.
It wasn't't, and I'd neverowned a car.
We had a joint car, but Ididn't drive it much.
It was a very, very controllingsituation.
It's so, it's not.
It's just so unhealthy.
(08:12):
And so when I actually do getout and I had to start living on
my own, I had no blueprint onhow to live on my own.
It was just bizarre because Ihadn't done anything on my own
for that people for such a longtime yeah, but what I want to
know is where did you meet him?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like, like you said, you were a lot younger when you
did yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I actually met him in .
I'd been traveling overseasover here.
I'd done the European like alot of Australians do yeah.
I'd gone back to.
Perth and he was out there.
He was out there.
He'd actually been a 10 poundpump, so he'd lived there and
he'd been back in two and he wasout there and that's when I met
him.
So I've been traveling around,not knowing where to look and
(08:54):
what to do, and went back homeand met him and I was looking
for direction, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's like when you're young and you don't understand
the world, like you said you're,you're not given.
We're not given the blueprintof how to raise a child, like
there's books on it but there'snot until you're actually going
through it yourself.
Or even if you have like rolemodels, like you're saying it's,
it's, it's being confident inyourself and and knowing like
(09:23):
this is not a good person, likeand knowing to have boundaries
too.
I think having thatself-confidence, it's easier
said than done.
It really is.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And this is the thing I think like I look back now
like I've got, you know, yes,absolutely, I've got boundaries
and I'm totally confident inmyself.
But you know, this is 11 yearslater.
I'm a totally different person,you know.
But it took excuse my French,it took balls, because when you
come like I was in such a lowspot but everything that I've
(09:55):
learned, it's incrediblyempowering and you don't have to
be at that point that I was atto benefit from all the stuff
that I'm now imparting to peoplewith the work that I do, and
it's it's, but it is so powerfulthat if you've got that
confidence within you, then thenit's kind of like nothing
matters Whatever happens you candeal with.
(10:17):
It's that so?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
getting out.
But I mean you, you'veexperienced it and other women
have.
And if, if someone is listeningand they're in an abusive
relationship now and they don'tfeel like they can get out, if
they have kids, they don't.
You know what I mean?
What do you say to them?
Because, like you said, it tookyou so long to find the courage
(10:43):
and determination to be likeI'm leaving, I can't do this
anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, yeah, that is a really good question because
obviously with all this there isno right and wrong and like
there's so much judgmentattached to all of this.
Yeah, honestly, if they'relistening, just do it.
Just whatever it takes to do tofind some internal thing and
leave.
And you know like statisticallyit takes now this was about 10
(11:09):
years ago.
It might even be longer, butfor someone this is even with
just physical abuse.
It takes seven times on averagefor a woman to leave and she
keeps returning, but seven timeson average before they actually
leave, leave fully.
So for some women it's a hellof a lot longer, but it's that
habit that they get in.
It's just a habit.
It's what they're natural andthey're comfortable with, even
(11:31):
though it's abusive.
And it does take courage tochange habits, even if it's just
a simple habit of eating toomuch chocolate.
How difficult is that Levelingsomething?
That's that grassroots levelthat every time you get up in
the morning you're in fear.
It's a terrible situation.
There's so many people in thosesituations.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Very much and I'm sure, like even when you left,
like you had to do a lot ofself-healing, you know, oh my
God.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Seriously, the walking out was the reality is.
The walking out was the easybit because you are totally on
your own and, yes, there areorganizations out there that
help.
But, to be honest, I leftwithout my children.
I wanted to ask about that.
I didn't have the children, soI got less help because I didn't
have the children, do you?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
feel like you had to leave the kids for you to get
out.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, definitely I was in mentally, I wasn't in a,
I wasn't in a state and alsobecause the relationship had
gone like a gone the.
He was Mr Mom, so it was lesstraumatic for them if I'd stayed
, if I'd taken them with me.
I had no infrastructure, neverhad to deal with my children and
(12:44):
I was the one earning the moneyas well.
So I you know what I mean.
So none of that was in place.
So if I'd waited to sort thatout, I never would have left.
That's the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And what's the relationship like now with your
kids?
Bloody fantastic.
There we go.
I love that.
I can feel the energy.
When you say that you're likebloody fantastic, I feel it.
I feel it when you say thatthat's amazing, for sure it's
like it took you.
You know, the journey of athousand miles begins with a
(13:18):
single step, and so you had todo what you needed to do for
yourself first before you couldtake care of them, right?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Oh look, 100 percent, 100 percent.
And you know like I never, Inever lost contact with them and
I always saw them.
But I mean, some initially likeit was kind of like, well, what
do I do with my kids when Ihave them, because I hadn't had
them in any circumstance.
It was really basic stuff.
But what is it like to be a mom?
I don't know, haven't been,haven't been at all on my terms.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Oh you, yeah.
And then they've gotten used toliving with their dad and
living in that kind ofenvironment too, where he spent
most of the time with them,right, and while you were at
work, right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So yeah, I mean, obviously it's not like, you
know, a mother daughter ormother son relationship, but
it's.
It's fantastic and and the last, my daughter's actually just
left for uni this last year, butprior to that we were actually
living together again and soafter nine years we were living
together.
So it's been so.
You're just so grateful for thelittle things, even the
(14:24):
17-year-old tantrums and all thethings that go with the
hormones attached to being ateenager, but it's really
precious, I have to say you knowit's always that brings tears
to my eyes how good it is andit's just normal Like we still
argue, like she triggers meabsolutely, but I love every
(14:46):
second of it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So what is she studying inschool?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
She's at university.
She's doing liberal arts andshe's got herself into rowing,
which she loves, and she'sfinding out who she is and it's
really lovely to watch.
You know the idea of let's bein that Because in the UK, in
Australia, when we went to uni,you live in the city where the
university is, whereas in the UKeveryone goes away to
(15:12):
university so they learn how tocook and you know, communicate
and all those sort of thingsaway from home.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So it's kind of like the experience itself to go away
from home life and start a newlife on campus and figure out
who you are as a person.
Okay, I think I always wantedto do that.
When I was home I wanted to goaway, but my mom was like no,
you're staying here.
And then I went to the.
I went to York, here in Toronto, and I mean it was a good
(15:42):
experience.
I met some good friends there,but I think there was a part of
me I think they escape to.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
you know, like in the movies they make it seem so
surreal right, and I thinkthat's what they social media
movies now for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh, my goodness, is it ever?
Did you, was it that wholeexperience?
You brought her to school likeon campus, and then you helped
her get settled in?
And was it emotional for you tolike it's like you're not a
complete empty nester becauseyour son is obviously not ready
for university?
Yeah, but how did?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
it was yeah, I mean it was empty.
It was like an emptiness whenshe'd gone and she was very
emotional about it too.
But it's like you know, oncethey settle in and make a couple
of friends, like she's reallyenjoying it, she's really
enjoying the whole experience,very social and fitting and
nicely, and it is very much likeokay, so look at it, now I
(16:41):
don't have to be where I ambecause I was here for her
education.
So where will I be?
But I mean in the UK somewhere,because Australia is a long way
away.
You know, if I went back toAustralia it's like a 20 hour
flight to get back.
So you'd never see yourchildren.
You know, maybe once every fiveyears or something.
(17:03):
So that's not on the cards atthe moment, but but it opens up
other options and it'sdefinitely different, even
though it was only one child.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was it like growing up inAustralia?
I mean, I don't, you are thefirst that I've met from
Australia and I mean what was?
What was that like?
Tell me.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I grew up in the country, so so in Western
Australia.
Perth is the most isolated cityin the world and I grew up five
and a half hours south of PerthWow, so right on the bottom.
If you kept going south, youwould hit the Antarctica.
So, as far as you can, go southin Western Australia and like
space and simple, simple Spacesea sun.
(17:49):
Mm-hmm, yeah, goes south inwestern australia and like space
and simple, simple space seasun, yeah, and and three things
that I miss.
That I miss most is justeverything big, whereas
everything here is small right,right, right.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
So it's kind of like it's like more of a small town
where you knew your neighborsand and and that kind of
community.
Is that what you mean?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, it was very much like that actually.
Yeah, I mean now the populationin the town is 16,000 people,
in the shire as well.
So in the farming community, ohmy gosh, in the shire.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When I hear that, I think I'm Lord of the Rings.
There is no traffic lights inthe town.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
There's lots of roundabouts, but there's still
no traffic lights.
And this is 70 years later 60years later?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Oh my gosh.
So is it true, Like in Lord ofthe Rings, when they say in the
Shire, do you think that they'vepictured it the same way?
Or it's kind of like they'vemade it more Hollywood.
You know what I mean.
I don't know if you've seenlord of the rings I haven't seen
.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Oh, you haven't okay, that's okay uh, that's, that's
the only surrounding countryside.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly yeah, so I I think
they've done a justice to that.
That's, that's the only uhpicturesque that I have.
Um, when I think of it that way, that that's that's the only
picture us that I have when Ithink of it that way.
That's why I said that.
So, yeah, that's so amazing.
You know, you've had quite thejourney.
(19:15):
So even, even still, I mean,you, you career wise, you were
working in the health sector,right, and so what was that like
?
I mean, you're working longhours right?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I've traveled with that allaround Australia so I've done
all sorts of different bits andpieces in different areas of
nursing and then I ended up inintensive care postgraduate in
that, yeah, and it is it's nowthat I'm not in it any longer
and then I ended up actually ina cardiac catheterization
(19:50):
laboratory, which is basicallywhen you have a heart attack you
come into us and we'll put instents to open up the blood
vessels.
If you need a pacemaker.
You can put the pacemaker in.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh my gosh, my uncle's a cardiologist, so he
puts in the pacemakers, yeah,the pacemaker in.
Oh my gosh, my uncle's acardiologist, so he puts in the
pacemakers, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So that was sort of where I ended up with all that,
and parts of it are fantastic,like the cardiology.
There is so much research andso many moves forward in
technology and what they do inthe hospital setting.
But there's also a lot ofthings that happen in the
hospital setting that chronicillness, for example, that isn't
dealt so well with, and themore I got involved in so I got
(20:32):
involved in energy medicine wayback when I left the
relationship 11 years ago 12years ago anyway and I started
yoga actually.
So that was my first experienceof of I actually was introduced
to yoga and I joined thisregular yoga studio and the
first.
They have this special start ofthe six weeks for $25.
(20:55):
So I go along every and I knew Ineeded some assistance to get
through the working day.
So I went every day and thefirst two weeks I was in tears
at the end of every class and Ifigured that you know, I get
this sort of relief.
I didn't really know what wasgoing on, but there was got to
be something.
And then, not so long afterthat, I started a yoga teacher
training course and then, sostraight away when I started
(21:18):
that, that's when things startedto change because I was
introduced to people, thesebeautiful people, who I hadn't
had in my life before.
And then, three months into that, I was introduced to energy
psychology.
So it was all about what youremotions and you know, the
connection between your emotionsand your body, and basically I
got to work on myself for thenext 18 months and it was
(21:41):
completely no question.
It was transformational.
But then life happens and thenmy ex-husband, who's English,
from Manchester, decides he'smoving the children to the UK
and they all have dualcitizenship and I had to get a
visa to get here.
Wow, and I didn't get the firstvisa I applied for, did I?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like it was such a Always a challenge, isn't it?
We just can't get things theeasy way.
It's like yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So clearly you know I wasn't ready to go.
So two years later I got overhere and, oh my gosh, it took
you two years.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Wow.
I know this is like we're partof the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Australia is part of the Commonwealth.
We speak the same language, Ourqualifications are at a higher
standard than the ones here, butI wasn't coming on a nursing
visa.
It was access right to child'svisa because the children were
here and I didn't get it thefirst time around because it was
on financial grounds.
In the time that I applied theychanged the goalposts.
(22:42):
So I went through an agency andthey said to me no, no, just
show that you've got $10,000 inyour account and that's fine.
So I just showed I had $10,000in my account and in the time
that I applied, in the threemonths it takes to get it, they
changed the goalposts and Ineeded $20,000.
So they wouldn't take me onfinancial grounds.
So I had to wait another sixmonths to reapply.
(23:03):
It's horrible.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, and then when I got here I did more and
financial advice.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Exactly, I'm like yo.
I want my money back.
You guys gave me horribleadvice, Now I have to wait
another.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
They actually did they actually did.
You know they got me through.
They did the whole thing.
Oh, they did All they actuallydid.
You know they got me through.
They did the whole thing.
Oh, they did All.
The next time, but you know,nine months later, sort of thing
.
So, and then when I got here, Iactually did more modalities
because for me that was my wayof coping with a move only
knowing your ex-husband andchildren come to a new life in
(23:39):
the UK Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, A new life beyond your choice.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It was kind of like you were here.
You got to follow your children, right.
Yeah of course, you can't not.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
No.
Yeah, what a journey.
Yeah, yeah.
So so wait a minute.
So when you moved to the UK,what was that like?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you have to get your own place and start all
over again, right, you know,it's really interesting when you
move to a new country becauseyou have no credit rating, you
don't exist, and so even like toopen a bank account.
I had to open online bankaccounts because I couldn't get
one in the high street because Ihad no credit rating.
(24:19):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I know it's like you're ano person.
So it's been an interestingthing and I guess.
So I walked straight into anursing job, though in the
private sector over here, and itwas.
You know I'd been doing energymedicine back at home, part-time
, part-time nursing, and there'sso much red tape here in the
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health like so much more thanequivalent in Australia.
So you know paperwork,involvement I mean, I know it's
the health system in Australiathere's a lot more paperwork
than there ever was when westarted into the profession.
But here, honestly, and justthe politics attached to the
work environment, it was justunbelievable.
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And I guess the more you getinvolved in energy medicine as
well, your life and your beliefsand your ideals change and you
take on, you're living from yourheart.
So it's a lot like this.
I've always been pretty beingAustralian, you're pretty blunt
anyway, but the more you getinto energy work, your
authenticity is that's.
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That's the key to your life.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's when you say energy work, are you talking
about living a life withmindfulness in mind, or just
mindful living?
Is that what you're saying?
So I guess?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
everything.
So if you look at life aseverything is energy yes, the
way we think and what we say,and movement, all of that so you
know, the only reason we're notfeeling great is because we've
got energy blocks in our body.
And when you start looking atlife in a mind, body, self sense
(25:59):
, from energy, your whole lifecan't help but change.
And so that began with yoga,because yoga is a form of energy
medicine.
You're doing movement with thebreath and you're moving energy.
And then the energy psychologyyou're working.
Emotions are just an energy.
You're using emotions to tuneinto your body.
And where are you feeling thatdiscomfort or what emotion are
you feeling?
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And you're getting the energyto move through emotions.
So, and then mindfulness is allabout tuning into you.
What is it that you are feeling?
So being okay with whatever itis that you're feeling and just
allowing that to be there.
Rather than focusing on a storythat doesn't feel great, focus
on the feeling.
Get the feeling to move,because the more you focus on
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the story, the more you are justplaying out at that frequency
of story.
So if it's not a great storyand it makes you feel annoyed or
aggravated or scared, then themore you tell that story, you're
staying in that same loop ofenergy frequency.
So if you can start to feelyour energy and getting it flow,
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then you're going to transformit and raise the frequency and
feel a darn sight better.
So there's a lot of things thatenergy is, because energy is
everything.
But yeah, there's a wholesystematic approach you can take
to it when you're starting tohave that transformation and
change the way you think,because, again, it's habits.
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How do we change those habitsand rewire the neural pathways
in the brain?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Diva Tonight Glamour for your ears.
This is 40, a femaleperspective.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm Carlene and this is Diva.
Tonight we are discussingmindfulness a little bit.
Actually, we're discussing alot of things.
We're discussing life after 40with Jodi Law in the UK and we
were just talking about theenergy practice that you've
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started, like I mean, obviouslyit's been many years now that
you've been practicing thislifestyle.
But it's very interestingbecause I was saying to you,
when you're starting anypractice or any new habit, it's
like, like my instructor said tome, when you're practicing
mindfulness, it's kind of likegoing to the gym every day.
(28:16):
You just don't like in thebeginning you don't want to go,
but you have to.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
so it's the same thing with my, the mindfulness
practice itself or any energywork, like you said, because you
were you're doing yoga and nowI guess you were saying you're a
yoga instructor, right, likewhile you were like, so while
you're doing a lot, yeah, andall of it is I've actually
created sorry, all the thingsthat I have learned and it's the
shortcuts that I've learnedalong the way because it is
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about creating a practice thatbenefits you, and if you can
start the day in a way that isgoing to be a high frequency day
and you're going to feel good,then to me it makes sense to do
that.
So I've actually created a12-week program and it's all
about, first of all, what is itthat does stress you?
What stories are we tellingourselves?
So you really dig deep.
(29:03):
This is the online component,and there's mindfulness in it,
there's grounding, there's allsorts of stuff that really start
getting you in those reallybasic habits energy medicine,
exercises that really helpground and create a great
framework.
And then it's looking atharnessing all of that.
Now we know what's going on,how do we want our lives to be,
(29:23):
because if you don't know what'sgoing on, you don't know what
to change.
So it is really a step-by-stepthing, and the really good thing
is that we get online as wellone-on-one, and we have sessions
online throughout it.
So when you're triggered withthe questions that are asked,
then right, let's sort it out,let's dig in and go.
So energy psychology it's like avisualization, and you go
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through and find out whereaboutsin the body.
You're feeling the emotionyou're feeling whatever it is
the topic that you want to dealwith at the time, and then it's
really just like it's somethinglike a brainstorm just get out,
because you're dealing with thesubconscious mind, and the
subconscious mind is the part ofthe brain that creates the
habits.
So let's tap into that andstart changing the habits there.
And once you've allowed thatenergy to move, we then need to
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reinforce new habits so that wecan rewire the brain.
And so your hand is held for a12-week period.
Your hand is held to createthose new habits that are going
to serve you to get the lifethat you want to live.
And energy medicine is like wecan test.
I can show you how to energytest your body, because energies
don't lie, and you can seewhere the strengths and
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weaknesses are in your own bodyand then you know which
exercises to do to createbalance.
So it's, it's.
It's a therapeutic tool, andfor me it was really important
to have therapeutic tools so youcould see the before and after,
and maybe, maybe it's becauseof my background, but so it's,
it's as a nurse.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I guess it's like visuals, right?
Like people, like they say,when you're starting a new habit
, or when you want to see likeyou're working on a goal, you
want to see the results, likewhen you write a book, you know
that you've written a bookbecause you have a copy of the
book.
And like the same thing whenyou lose weight you can go on
the scale and you know.
But the same thing, I guess,with energy practice, right.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, and this is the thing.
So the modalities that I use.
This is where we're at now andwe can test your energies and
initially there'll be somechanges that will happen quite
quickly.
Other changes, other habits,will be more stubborn, but
there's other ways that we canapproach them.
There's so many things that youcan do and a lot of the things
to do are quite simple.
(31:34):
But unless you know to do them,you're not going to start the
habits.
It's that sort of thing and forme so yes, I'm Australian, my
name like Jodie Law- Jodie Anlaw, even with my middle name Jodie
Anlaw.
It's short, everything'spractical.
And the whole thing is sopractical because if you can't
use it and for me I needed it onan everyday basis when I
(31:55):
started I needed somethingdesperately and I was really
seeking out stuff, and what I'vehoned it down to is really
practical stuff that you can useand start and you can change
your life with it, and I've hadsome great success with it on
other people.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So so it really is a lifestyle change and it's hard,
like sometimes, I think, withsociety and everyday life.
It's one of those things youstop for a little bit and then
you have to be reminded, like Iremember my instructor, like
just checking in on us.
You know those of us that werein the workshop and I find it's
very interesting when you talkabout like you needed something
(32:33):
to work on every day.
I think we all do, we all needa routine, even myself.
I fall off the routine manytimes.
I'm just so rebellious withthat.
But it's important to do thereps, do the steps you know, as
they say well.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think the thing with frameworks it interesting,
isn't it?
Once, someone once said this tome and it stuck in my head
because it's so true If you'vegot a framework of stuff that
works for you because the thingsthat work for me aren't going
to work for you the same, it'svery individual.
But if you've got a framework,and once you've created that
framework and you've got thisinner feeling of contentment,
(33:09):
because you are living your lifetrue to your consciousness, you
know, true to you and you'rebeing authentic, when that's
happening, it doesn't matterwhat happens around you, even if
you have had to miss a daybecause you're on a plane and
you're flying to Australia andit's a 24-hour trip and you
can't get to do your routine,that's absolutely fine, jodie,
are you saying back to theuniverse that I need to go to
(33:29):
Australia?
There you go.
It could be that AbsolutelyManifestation Open up Bring it
in yes, sorry to interrupt, butgo ahead.
Yes, so you're saying you'reusing that?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
as an example.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I know yeah exactly, but it's so embedded in you to
do.
But the point is, you've got aframework, haven't you to build
on?
But the point is, you've got aframework, haven't you to build
on?
And once you've got a framework, within that framework you can
create all sorts of play and itdoesn't have to be regimented,
is what I'm saying.
So, within the framework,you've got certain things or
certain feelings that you wantto create, but there's lots of
things that you can do withinthat framework to make it
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interesting, so it doesn't feelmonotonous.
It's that Right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I know, I, I understand what you're saying
with monotonous, because, for me, I got bored easily, and so if
I'm listening to one mindfulnesspractice, I find I have to
change it, because I got bored.
I was listening to this fiveminute one, and now I'm
listening to Deepak Chopra andmaybe I'll go back to Jon
Kabat-Zinn, but I need.
I can't stay with the samepattern day in and day out.
I guess some people do.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, that's absolutely fine.
Do you know what I mean?
And that's you finding yourthing.
That's brilliant.
You're doing it, so you getsomething out of it for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, I think you know what what it does is.
It calms my mind.
I have an overactive brain andone of my doctors said to me
that mindfulness, like just likeanything else there's, there's
a so many.
We're in the digital age wherethere's like cognitive
behavioral therapy.
I've taken that as well.
And then mindfulness practice.
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That's another thing.
Everyone has to find the thingthat works for them.
Some people, you know, know,have to go to the gym.
They have to stay active.
That helps them de-stress very,very much so.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And you know, I think back and what I haven't
actually said was when I firstleft, I did the whole
conventional thing and did yougo to the presence and saw a
psychologist.
Yeah, oh, okay 12 months in,nothing had changed.
This same story, like I was nobetter off at all, was just
talking the same thing.
The whole idea that I'm goingto a psychologist was so that my
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story would be different.
But nothing had changed and andI and the antidepressants just
numbed.
So that was when I sort ofthought there's just like.
I'm sorry, can't do thisanymore.
See you, later weaned myselfmyself with a GP, weaned off the
antidepressants and thenstarted the yoga and absolutely
no turning back.
It was like chalk and cheese.
It was very empowering becauseyou could feel the difference
(36:02):
and it wasn't just talking aboutlike.
So when it like, what is thetherapy.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Do you find Like?
I mean, you saw a psychiatrist,but I think everyone should see
a therapist if they can, ifthey're dealing with issues in
life.
I think, just having someoneelse to talk to other than your
friends and family, I think youknow.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Absolutely, and I'm not saying no at all.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Oh, of course, yeah, I'm not saying not at all.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And I know that's really big in the US, isn't it
to see a therapist?
Yeah, and I know that's reallybig in the US, isn't it to see a
therapist?
Yeah, yeah, so there is more ofa stigma attached to it in the
UK and Australia as well.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Oh, there is Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, and it would be a psychologist that you would
see.
But honestly I really didn'tfind it helped me at all, and I
suppose because if it had beenwhen I was 20 and I wasn't wiser
in the world, but I was in myearly forties when I left, so by
that stage it was almost like Iwould give them advice, because
(37:01):
they just stepped out of atextbook, you know, and it
frustrated me a lot and I knownot everybody has that
experience, but my experiencewas, you know, this just isn't
working for me.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
And I think, like like you said, there isn't
always a pill that will helpsomeone.
You know what I mean, Maybe inthe short interim, but not
necessarily the case in your ownexperience.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And I think the thing to do is take it up, like if
you get offered thoseopportunities, take like CBT,
take them up and try them,because if it doesn't work there
are other things, is the point.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think I don't like the digital aspect of it, like I
did the Zoom CBT, but I dounderstand why it is a good
practice, because it makes youthink about the action and the
outcome, like, if I do this, orhow am I helping myself?
Cause I think the one thing wedon't always think about in the
moment of stress, you don'talways think about how you're
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going to behave, like I'm aperson where it's like, if
someone annoys me, I now I justwalk away, or maybe I'll go take
a five minute break.
You know what I mean?
They're just like to breathe,or because it's just like it's
about reacting, it's.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
it's about not reacting.
It's not jumping in andscreaming and carrying on.
It's about pause.
Let's pause.
Yeah, yeah, let's respondrather than react.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, and some of us do react, I think, when you're
working, like for you, whenyou're stressed.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Absolutely yeah, you worked in healthcare as a nurse
for so many years and that's avery stressful environment, very
high pressure, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And it absolutely was , and parts of the job I really
enjoyed, but it was the politicsthat really drove it into me.
And by the time I'd left like Iwas burnt out the last, like I
was my health started todeteriorate.
Yeah, you know, and when you'renot listening your health keeps
deteriorating until you dosomething about it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So what's the name?
Yeah, oh, sorry.
So what is the name of thebusiness that you do now?
So it's transform.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It's actually Jodi-Ann Law.
It's my name.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So we can check you out.
Just put your name in Google,jodi-ann Law, and then we'll
find you.
Yes, well, it's Jodi with an.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I and Ann with an E.
But it's take control of yourhealth, naturally is the strap
line, but I've got on my website.
I have got free affirmations, soone of the things that are
really good to do is have thatpositive affirmations playing so
that it uplifts you and that'ssomething that can raise your
frequency for the start of theday.
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There's a thing around anxiety.
It's just really simple thingsthat can help if you're feeling
anxious what to do, and you canjust have a look at those.
They're free on my website andyou can also book in a free
consultation for 30 minutes ifyou wanted to have a chat about
things.
Because, energetically, theother really good thing I love
about it not only is it atherapeutic tool the way I use
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it but it can complementanything any other treatment
that you might be getting.
It's just it empowers you tounderstand yourself from an
energetic point of view and findout what's going on in you.
You have such a differentrelationship within you when you
tune into what you're thinking,what you're feeling, what
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you're feeling emotionally andhow you're feeling physically,
when you tune into that on aregular basis.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Do you think that this has made this practice, has
made you like a moreunderstanding parent?
Like has it changed?
Oh my God?
Like you have with yourdaughter.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Completely and utterly.
And I think also, you know alot of the people that find
energy medicine are people thatthey're seeking it for a start
because they're not getting theanswers they want externally.
And once they started, you knowempaths.
There's a lot of people in thehealth system that are empaths,
but because that's why they gointo that type of work and it's
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energy medicine is the same.
It's because your senses areheightened, like the fact that
you feel emotions in a lot moredepth than other people.
Then, once you start tounderstand them, it's your
superpower.
So then you start to know whatto do with it.
It's that.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
You're so right about that, I think, when you realize
that your energy, like peopleare either sucking the energy
from you or they're adding tothat energy and you have to
figure out how to manage yourday-to-day.
What do you like we?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
were talking about boundaries earlier.
You know, yeah, all of thatcomes into it and you can do so
much intentionally and there'sexercises that can help with all
that energetically, becausewe've got nine energy systems in
our body that we can work withfor all of that as well.
So we're just doing certainexercises that can benefit
exactly that.
When you know that you're goingto speak with an energy vampire
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, it just sucks the life out ofyou.
You can do things intentionallyso that they stay in their
energy and you stay in yours,and it gives you so much more
power because you leave themthen not feeling frazzled.
You've gone in and said whatyou needed to say and then
you've left on your energeticterms.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I like that.
You left on your own energeticterms.
I think this lifestyle, I thinkit's been around a long time
you know what I mean since backthen, I guess even before the
80s, because I know JonKabat-Zinn, who they they call
him the grandfather ofmindfulness practice right,
because he's been doing it solong, but very great person.
(42:41):
I have great respect for himand from what I've learned and I
it's like you said, it's a wayof life and like just you said
something though the nine, thereare nine energy systems.
What are those?
Yeah, so the?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
modality that I use.
I don't know if you've heard ofit.
It's Eden Method.
Donna Eden, she's actually anAmerican woman and she can see
energy.
So she has spent her lifetimecreating protocols for people
that can't see energy, so thatpeople that can't see energy can
learn them and teach and healpeople.
So it's healing with your hands.
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But she's gone around.
So when she was in her late 20s,she hadn't had very good health
her whole life.
She had MS when she wasdiagnosed at 16.
And then at 29, I think it was,she had a heart attack and was
told to put all her affairs inorder and she had two young
children at the time and shecould see energy.
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So she decided she was going totry and heal herself and within
two years she had no moresymptoms of MS and then she
started working on other people.
Yeah, wow, and it's just gonefrom strength to strength and so
a lot of the modalities thatit's a mixture of modalities.
So we're talking ancienthealing, yeah, and kinesiology
is a form of energy medicine andthat's the therapeutic part of
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this that I do.
You can test for over energiesor under energies and what's
going on.
And she went to a kinesiologytalk when she was trying to
learn all about what she saw andmatch it up.
And she went, she came back.
I'm so excited because thosethings that go up and down the
body, they're meridians, that'swhat I see, and those things
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that go around and around,they're chakras.
Oh, my God, how exciting shehad a name to what she could see
.
So she's kind of doneeverything back to front.
So she's borrowed from allsorts of the modalities to match
what she sees and createdprotocols.
And because we've got nineenergy systems we can play with,
if something isn't working forsomebody, you're going to
approach it in a different way.
So there's lots of tools thatyou can use.
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And balancing hormones forchronic pain, for the immune
system, and 90% of chronicillness is caused by stress.
So let's use energy, melisandre, to balance that out by stress.
So let's use energy, melisand,to balance that out, because
there's part of energy systemsthat's like the arteries and
veins of the anatomy worldcalled the meridians.
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Part of that is the triplewarmer.
Now, the triple warmer is thefine flight.
Now, I've heard of fine flight.
Yes, fight for flight.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yes, I have, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
So there's an energy component that's just like that,
and so your fight for flightresponse.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
is that what you mean , Like when you're Exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So you know when we're stressed we're in fine
flight and and which means we'reyou know when we're in rest and
digest.
Our body is harmonious andwe're growing as we should and
everything's happy and wehaven't got symptoms Right.
But the majority of time we'rein fine flight because we're
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stressed, we've got deadlines tomeet, we've got horrible bosses
, we've got all these thingsgoing on, and so the hormones
that are running through ourbody are stress hormones.
But our body hasn't advancedfrom caveman days, so the
hormones running through ourbodies aren't designed to be
there for very long periods oftime.
They were designed if you weregoing to get eaten by the tiger
or you would have run like helland got away, but because
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they're in our body all the time, we can't be in rest and digest
.
Because you're not, you can'tbe in fight and flight and rest
and digest at the same time.
So if we're constantly in fightand flight, all those hormones
running around our body that aregoing nowhere, then we can't be
.
Our growth and reproductivesystem isn't going to work
properly.
You think about IVF and howmuch IVF there is now, and how
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people just can't get pregnantbecause they're chronically
stressed.
Look at your gastrointestinaltract, with more people with
irritable bowel, all themainstream systems, just your
immune system, how many peopledo you?
Everybody knows someone withcancer and autoimmune illness
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because we're chronicallystressed.
So if we can harness thatstress component and balance
that out and calm it down.
So in the energy world thetriple warmer is like the fight
and flight.
And then what happens?
That's usually part of themeridian.
You can test for it in yourenergy system.
That's usually over-energizedand because it's one system the
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meridian system is one system ithas to draw from somewhere to
get the energy to be overactive.
And the first place it draws isthe spleen meridian.
And so for most of us thespleen is under energized.
It needs some energy.
And so it's the balance betweenthe triple warmer at spleen.
For most people when they cometo see me, that is the first
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thing we need to balance,because once the triple warmer
is calmed down and the spleenhas calmed down, then the
energies are a lot easier toread in the body, because the
triple warmer abscess thesecurity guard.
You can't come, you can't come,no, no, no, I'm not going to
show anything, I'm not going toshow anything.
So once that's calmed down,it's like oh, and mindfulness is
a really good way of calmingdown the triple warmer, because
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it's like you know, when youshut your eyes and you're doing
a meditation, it's like ah, it'sthat.
And there's all sorts of holdswe can do.
You can do simple holds to calmthe triple warmer, because it's
so overactive in most of us.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
We're just doing more than we're designed to do Is
the practice a lot better if youclose your eyes, because
sometimes I just have the calmmindfulness you know practice,
or the 10 minute mindfulnessplaying in the background
sometimes, because if I'mrunning late or whatever, but
running late in the morning, youknow to get to work or I'm in a
(48:24):
rush.
So I feel like it helps a bit.
But is it always better topractice with your eyes closed?
That way you could you could do.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
You could, you could mindfully wash the dishes.
It's really, it's just intenseso you could just do it, realize
what you're doing and slowlywash the dishes and dry them.
So it's very much about justlet's slow everything down and
be in the moment so we're notlistening to the outside noise
so as much as when you'repreparing and hurrying around
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while you're listening tomindfulness.
It's I'm not sure how much herein the here and now, because
I've actually memorized it.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
What he says, you know what I mean.
Like he says that you know thebirds and and the like.
They all do the same thing.
Like you know, pretty muchthat's what Deepak Chopra says
Like so be mindful of, likepeople, just let them be.
It's pretty much the samemessage.
So the law of least effort iswhat I listen to and so, like
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you said, while I'm rushing, I'mnot really like I said, I'm not
really being completely mindful, but because I've listened to
it so much, I know exactly whathe's going to say Okay and then
okay.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
So then from within that like it's a bit like you
know, if you're, if you wake upin the morning and you can just
you don't even have to say itout loud but what are you
grateful for?
So if you're doing that andyou're appreciating what audio
is saying, then there is some.
Obviously that's better thannot doing if that's going to
help you get into the car and goto work in a more mindful state
(50:03):
.
Of course, there's no right orwrong in any of the things.
That is the whole thing.
Is there a right way to domindfulness?
No, there isn't, there's.
Certainly if someone wanted toknow what to do because they'd
never done it before, I couldcertainly guide them.
But it's not a right and wrongway.
It's be okay with whateveryou're feeling.
(50:23):
Is the thing it's gettingcomfortable with?
Being uncomfortable withmindfulness?
If that's your thing, because alot of people when they do
start it is very uncomfortablejust sitting still and they have
that noisy monkey mind.
But so the idea would be don'tstart with half an hour
meditations, just do a couple ofminutes or do a breath
(50:46):
meditation, something thatguides you, so you're listening
to the voice.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, like.
So it's like you said it's,it's just starting off and
keeping at it.
I think that's one.
The one thing is just theregimented lifestyle and, like I
think, as the as my instructorsaid, it's like you have to not
just do it on your own at home,but also be in the community,
because sometimes I think, when,when you're dealing with your
(51:12):
day to day and your family oryour friends are not practicing
mindfulness, it's hard, it'seasier to fall off this pattern,
this lifestyle.
That's why you have to get backat it.
So, just talking to you about,it's very interesting to hear a
different aspect of it, becauseyou're talking about the energy
side aspect of it, becauseyou're talking about the energy
(51:35):
side and there's so many thingsthat people don't know about
your, what actual energy youhave, if they believe in that.
You know what I mean.
Like we don't want to forceanyone, but I learned something
about just even the kind ofenergy, the kind of energy
pattern you have well.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
So I kind of think that everybody is put on this
earth for a purpose, yes, and ifwe're all living our purpose,
the world would be such adifferent place because we would
be living.
You know your authenticity, butalso that your head and your
heart are lined up when you'reliving your purpose.
So the things that you do, like, the heart radiates so much
(52:07):
more energy than anything anyother part of your body and if
you start can breathe throughthe heart and start living
through the heart and doeverything.
So your intuition we're talkinghere.
If you get comfortable enoughwith your intuition to be guided
by that.
You need your head to helpaction what your heart is
telling you, and when those twoare lined up, that's the place
(52:30):
to be and you know as beinghuman.
It's a practice for me as well,even though I've been doing it
for some time, and everybody ishuman.
And can we be like that 24-7,?
Keep practicing.
Yes, you will be, but we do allfall off the bandwagon, so
don't beat yourself up if you do, but it's a really good thing
to work towards, because thething is, it's inner peace, and
(52:53):
I know that I had certainly beensearching that for a very, very
long time and now the majorityof times, that's exactly how I
feel.
So it's worth doing.
I feel it's worth doing andwhen you get that positive
reinforcement, but also whathappens when you start if you
have a graph of this is where Iam now energetically.
(53:15):
I'm just starting my journey andthis is where I want to be that
straight line.
It certainly is not a straightline when I started on my
journey.
I'm here and I started learninga bit about it and I got my
frequency started to be raisedand God, it needed to be so up I
go.
And then it goes down again andgot it needed to be so up I go,
and then it goes down again.
(53:36):
And then it's up and down.
But you're on a trajectory uphere, so it is up and down and
initially it can feel likeyou're never making any headway,
but the first time you dosomething to, you're never going
to go down as far as thisinitial stage, you just don't,
because you're on thattrajectory and you've got more
awareness.
So you start having thatawareness and you start on that
(53:57):
trajectory and you go up and youhave some really good days and
then it might dip again.
And then some good days and dipagain.
But you're heading up this wayand the closer you get to here,
it actually curves off morebecause you've got more tools
and you've got more of your lifein a higher frequency.
It's easier to get out of thosedips because you've got more
(54:19):
tools to use to get out of thedips.
And when people around youaren't in that lifestyle and you
want to bring that into yours,it is harder because your
environment you're in plays amassive role in it, because
that's energy as well, isn't it?
So, yes, seek out communitygroups that are doing things
that you're interested in.
That will help raise yourfrequency, because if you're not
(54:40):
around it, it is a lot harderto do.
But if you're around it, you'resitting in it as well, so it's
there more constantly and so asyou're on your journey up the
curb, you're going to be aroundmore people like that as well,
because, law of attraction, itjust seeks you out because
that's the energy you'reemitting.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Joe Dispenza.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
No, I'm not.
I think I've heard of him.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
He is.
He's a big name in the US.
He's fantastic.
He's very much the sciencebehind all this stuff.
It's about rewiring your neuralpathways.
Right, all this stuff, it'sabout rewiring your neural
pathways so you are your ownplacebo and the body is designed
to heal itself.
That's the premise on all thework that I do.
Your body is designed to healitself.
You just got to give it theright environment to do so.
(55:24):
And if you can say, say youwanted a really nice house, it's
manifestation.
You want a really nice houseand you know where you want to
live it.
If you imagine living in it andbeing in it now, before you
actually have it, you're lettingyour body and your mind know
that that's what you want.
And because you're feeling it,you've got to feel it.
(55:46):
If you say these things they'rejust words.
You've got to actually feel itinternally so that you then
create that space and thatpathway so your brain actually
thinks you're there, becauseyour brain doesn't know the
difference between it happeningnow or your imagination.
So the more you can imagine andreally feel, you're already
rewiring your brain to get thathouse and to get that place.
(56:10):
I was listening to something hewas saying the other day Really
interesting.
So women who live alone he hasthese week-long advanced
retreats and they hook people upbrainwaves for meditation and
everything.
And women that live alone aremuch more in their flow more
often than not because they'rein the environment to do so.
(56:32):
Because women notoriously lookafter everybody else first.
So if you're in a household oreven with a partner, you're
worried about them first andwhat their energy is doing, so
that you're less likely to justfocus on you and your
authenticity and your highfrequency.
So they've done studies onwomen single women that have
(56:53):
gone on these retreats and theyhave a much higher in their flow
over a 24-hour period thanother people because they've got
the opportunity to do andthat's how they've created their
life.
So I thought that wasinteresting yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
I feel you know that women we as women they always
say that women can live like bythemselves and be single and
live a happier life, whereas mennot so much.
I think they need a partner.
But I think, going back to whatI've learned from listening to
other podcasts too, is that weare a human race and so we're
(57:31):
used to being among others, socan't always be alone.
It's good to be alone inretrospect, but we're a social
very much, so yeah, very much so, yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
And that doesn't mean that these women are no oh,
it's just that it's.
It's just that they don't livetogether under the one roof.
I mean, how many relationshipsthese days are.
You have your own place and youknow because yeah absolutely
the show is devoted to.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
you know, this is 40, the life after 40.
So I guess, in retrospect, whenwe do things full circle and
we're going back to thebeginning of the conversation,
when you left you said you werein your forties, right, is that
correct?
So I guess that was like theturning point in your life where
you woke up and like it waslike yeah, let's just do it all
(58:24):
at once, but I've gained so muchinsight from listening to you
talk about mindfulness.
It's like it's brought me calmagain and I'm taking the notes
and I feel like I'm a student ofyour practice and what you've
done with your life and changedyour life because of your
journey to where you are now.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
It's a no brainer.
Of course I'll share it withthe rest of the world.
It's that sort of thing when Ileft the health system.
Okay, it's trust, Like.
The other thing that I haven'tmentioned is that I paint, and
it's only very recently, thelast few months, I've actually
put them on my website.
But the content of what I paintis energy and, like,
(59:06):
ridiculously, I hadn't evenrealised that because I just
have always used it as like ajournal, but it's my visual
representation of that.
So, and that's why it's only inthe last few months, I've put
them on the website, becausethey're part of the story,
because it's obviously what Iuse to heal.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do a lot of things to heal.
I used to write poems and Istopped.
I think.
More so when I was a kid, I hadthose moments where I would
wake up in the night and I havean idea, and if you're not using
that part of the brain orpracticing it like you, you
don't lose it.
But you're not doing it, justlike I think you realize through
(59:45):
nursing, like you did, thepractical thing like to pay the
bills to help support yourfamily, the bills to help
support your family.
But after doing that for so longand realizing that, ok, it's
time to change career path, youfound your way and you found
something that you're passionateabout and I can tell because
you can talk about it.
You know what I mean.
Yes, like, how many hours haveyou got?
(01:00:05):
I know, right, I was just like,well, looking at the time, I'm
like, oh, my goodness, this isamazing, but we're running out
of time again.
But it's, it's very insightfuland I'd like to thank you so
much for sharing your journey,jodi-anne.
So it's Jodi-Anne Law.
If anyone wants to check outher website and start their
(01:00:29):
journey, or even, you know, havea session.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Energy work.
Yeah, it's, it's.
We're here on Zoom, but I candefinitely feel the energy, like
you know, when certain peoplesay things, and then you feel it
, and that's how it is for me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And so complete, and that's that's exactly it.
That that is the energy we'retalking about.
Is that you know, when you knowwhen you walk into a room and
there's been a fight, it's thatfeeling, that's the energy we're
talking about.
So it's starting to understandthat in relation to you and like
, if your energies are balanced,then you don't experience any
symptoms.
So, health-wise, your energy issort of your energy is first.
(01:01:06):
If we can balance that, thenthere's not going to be an issue
from a health point of view.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, powerful stuff, and it's just because we can't
see it.
People don't know it's there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I'm Carlene, and this is Diva Tonight with
Jodi and Laura.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Thank, you so much, it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, it has, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Diva Tonight with Carlene will be back.
Send us a message on Instagramat diva underscore tonight.
hi, I'm carlene and this is diva tonight.
I have with me on zoom jody lawand she is in manchester, uk,
united kingdom.
I guess is what you say.
Most people say the uk.
So how, how are you, hi,caroline?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, that's good.
The accent is not veryMancunian.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Definitely, I think.
I think a lot of people in,especially here in North America
, we're always a little bitobsessed with the British accent
, or, you know, just any accentthat sounds different from ours.
Because you're, so it's carriedas the the well-spoken right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So and so then then an Australian accent comes on.
Completely sorry about thatthat's okay.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
so, anyways, the show is diva tonight and this is 40,
a female perspective andbasically, um, I'm talking to
women who have, who are 40, orwomen who are older, just to
talk about their personalstories and their personal
experiences.
And for you, you've had quitethe journey.
(01:18):
You've worked in the healthcare sector, for health system
for 30 years and you know, Ithink the hardest thing to
discuss is being in anemotionally abusive marriage for
11 years.
You know, I wasn't, I'm notmarried, but I think I can
understand what that's likemyself, because abusive family
(01:42):
is what I grew up with and Idon't really talk about it.
But I think when you're at thisstage in life, you are
comfortable talking aboutcertain things.
So for you, what was thedeciding factor in leaving an
abusive relationship?
What was the turning point?
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Like you know, I have come such a long way since then
, but for me there was a coupleof things that happened actually
.
So it was actually a 20-yearmarriage.
Yeah, we were 12 years inbefore I had children.
So at that stage my childrenwere really like five and seven.
They were young and it had gotto the stage where I didn't have
any input with them in therelationship.
(02:22):
I was working and basicallybringing in the money and long
shifts, so I'd go to work andthey were in bed and I'd get
home and they were in bed and sowhen I did get to see them,
they already had their the threeof them as in my ex-husband and
the two children had theirroutine going on.
So I, even when I wasn'tworking, I did, I wasn't, it was
(02:43):
like I was a lodger in my ownhome, and so there was a couple
of things that happened.
I met someone who I just foundreally interesting and we moved
around a lot.
So I didn't have, I wasn't,even though I went to work.
Like you say, you don't talkabout that sort of stuff, you
just don't.
And emotional abuse is a funnything because, like physical
(03:03):
abuse, you can see it, butemotional is a totally different
thing.
It's you basically end upsecond guessing yourself all the
time.
You don't know who you areanymore at all because
everything that you think is youbelieve is questioned by the
other party.
So you're really lost.
And so we've been in a placethis time for two years, and I
(03:24):
got to know a couple of thegirls that I worked with and
there was a couple of situationswhere it was just so evident
that my ex-husband was just hewas just so rude to them and I
thought, oh my God, it's notjust me at all, it's not me,
it's him.
And they were just so blatantand I'd had got to that point
where I didn't have the childrenin my life, how I wanted to be
(03:47):
a parent, and it was just likethat's it, I'd had enough, like
there was no plan other than Ineed to get out of here.
And so I did.
I literally packed a suitcaseand I paint, so I took a couple
of canvases and left, and thestory that I think he told the
children was that I was justgoing to stay with a friend, but
(04:09):
he's not very open about thosethings, so I don't actually know
what story he did tell thechildren.
Anyway, life's a lot differentnow, but at the time, yeah, it
was.
I'm so, so, so, so, so pleasedI left.
But, oh my God, the heart thatthat you go through when you
walk down the steps of theproperty that you've been living
with and when they're out goingfor a coffee and you just don't
(04:30):
go back like yeah it feels likeyou.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You left a life that you were so used to right.
And I always wonder, becauseit's like they say that we kind
of like embody the life that wegrew up with.
So I don't know, did you, wereyour parents, married, did they
have a good marriage?
Did you have good role models?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
and in that, yes, yeah, exactly like it was so
different to how I grew up, likeno way.
My child was middle class mom,dad, three sisters and very
uneventful, which is pretty goodwhat I've experienced so it's
like a total experience, likeit's more like like you grew up
(05:18):
or it's totally opposite.
It's a bit like so I say to mydaughter you do realize you'll
either marry someone like yourfather or someone totally
opposite.
It's not an in-between thing.
And I went totally oppositewith my relationship.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, and you know what I think it's.
You don't know someone untilyou live with them and their
behavior changes, and there'sobviously some issues that they
have that they haven't dealtwith and you can only help.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
so much right and but also though I, like I wasn't in
a good place when I met him.
You don't meet people like thatif you're, if you're happy
about yourself, and he was quitea bit older than me, so there
was a lot of issues going on andI had traveled on my own, I'd
done a lot of stuff on my ownand I just and and I wasn't
happy with my career choice, allthese things that bundled up
into me not having a very highself-esteem anyway, because if I
(06:11):
had been happy, I would havemet someone that I was happy
with.
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I mean, yeah, they always say that, so it's.
I was talking to a colleague ofmine yesterday and she's you
know, there's a lot of thingslike you know when you you
listen to these podcasts, likethe Mel Robbins podcast or even
the greatness podcast, wherethey talk about how you have to
be happy with yourself and whereyou are in life to attract that
(06:39):
kind of person, and you said,yeah yeah, and's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like.
So my, my healing journey beganwhen I left there and I've
learned so much about me sincebecause I didn't know anything
about me, I mean even just basicstuff.
It was like I had no blueprintof how to live life.
It was that whole.
When I got out, like I canremember.
This is how I smile and laughbecause it's just like how does
(07:07):
an intelligent woman get herselfinto this position?
But it doesn't matter, I meananyone, it can happen to anyone.
That's the thing.
Yeah, yeah.
So I can remember going to worknot long after I'd left and my
sister had given me enough moneyto get a car.
So I remember my head.
It was such a big deal.
I had to visualize how I wasgoing to go to the petrol
station and get petrol in thecar, because I was just so
(07:30):
stressed about the fact, becauseI hadn't done it on my own,
like, and, and then that wasbefore I got to work.
I was just, it was crazy, butthat's the extent to it was.
It was you're going through,yeah, yeah, just so let's just
what do you?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was what happens when you yeah.
So what do you say?
It's what happens when you'rewhat going through the motions
or you're just going throughyour day.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It was completely that it's just like there was no
blueprint on how to live mylife outside that, because I'd
been in such a cocoon for solong, we moved around so much
and we did so much yeah, so wehad no community out.
It wasn't't, and I'd neverowned a car.
We had a joint car, but Ididn't drive it much.
It was a very, very controllingsituation.
It's so, it's not.
It's just so unhealthy.
(08:12):
And so when I actually do getout and I had to start living on
my own, I had no blueprint onhow to live on my own.
It was just bizarre because Ihadn't done anything on my own
for that people for such a longtime yeah, but what I want to
know is where did you meet him?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like, like you said, you were a lot younger when you
did yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I actually met him in .
I'd been traveling overseasover here.
I'd done the European like alot of Australians do yeah.
I'd gone back to.
Perth and he was out there.
He was out there.
He'd actually been a 10 poundpump, so he'd lived there and
he'd been back in two and he wasout there and that's when I met
him.
So I've been traveling around,not knowing where to look and
(08:54):
what to do, and went back homeand met him and I was looking
for direction, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's like when you're young and you don't understand
the world, like you said you're,you're not given.
We're not given the blueprintof how to raise a child, like
there's books on it but there'snot until you're actually going
through it yourself.
Or even if you have like rolemodels, like you're saying it's,
it's, it's being confident inyourself and and knowing like
(09:23):
this is not a good person, likeand knowing to have boundaries
too.
I think having thatself-confidence, it's easier
said than done.
It really is.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And this is the thing I think like I look back now
like I've got, you know, yes,absolutely, I've got boundaries
and I'm totally confident inmyself.
But you know, this is 11 yearslater.
I'm a totally different person,you know.
But it took excuse my French,it took balls, because when you
come like I was in such a lowspot but everything that I've
(09:55):
learned, it's incrediblyempowering and you don't have to
be at that point that I was atto benefit from all the stuff
that I'm now imparting to peoplewith the work that I do, and
it's it's, but it is so powerfulthat if you've got that
confidence within you, then thenit's kind of like nothing
matters Whatever happens you candeal with.
(10:17):
It's that so?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
getting out.
But I mean you, you'veexperienced it and other women
have.
And if, if someone is listeningand they're in an abusive
relationship now and they don'tfeel like they can get out, if
they have kids, they don't.
You know what I mean?
What do you say to them?
Because, like you said, it tookyou so long to find the courage
(10:43):
and determination to be likeI'm leaving, I can't do this
anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, yeah, that is a really good question because
obviously with all this there isno right and wrong and like
there's so much judgmentattached to all of this.
Yeah, honestly, if they'relistening, just do it.
Just whatever it takes to do tofind some internal thing and
leave.
And you know like statisticallyit takes now this was about 10
(11:09):
years ago.
It might even be longer, butfor someone this is even with
just physical abuse.
It takes seven times on averagefor a woman to leave and she
keeps returning, but seven timeson average before they actually
leave, leave fully.
So for some women it's a hellof a lot longer, but it's that
habit that they get in.
It's just a habit.
It's what they're natural andthey're comfortable with, even
(11:31):
though it's abusive.
And it does take courage tochange habits, even if it's just
a simple habit of eating toomuch chocolate.
How difficult is that Levelingsomething?
That's that grassroots levelthat every time you get up in
the morning you're in fear.
It's a terrible situation.
There's so many people in thosesituations.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Very much and I'm sure, like even when you left,
like you had to do a lot ofself-healing, you know, oh my
God.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Seriously, the walking out was the reality is.
The walking out was the easybit because you are totally on
your own and, yes, there areorganizations out there that
help.
But, to be honest, I leftwithout my children.
I wanted to ask about that.
I didn't have the children, soI got less help because I didn't
have the children, do you?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
feel like you had to leave the kids for you to get
out.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, definitely I was in mentally, I wasn't in a,
I wasn't in a state and alsobecause the relationship had
gone like a gone the.
He was Mr Mom, so it was lesstraumatic for them if I'd stayed
, if I'd taken them with me.
I had no infrastructure, neverhad to deal with my children and
(12:44):
I was the one earning the moneyas well.
So I you know what I mean.
So none of that was in place.
So if I'd waited to sort thatout, I never would have left.
That's the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And what's the relationship like now with your
kids?
Bloody fantastic.
There we go.
I love that.
I can feel the energy.
When you say that you're likebloody fantastic, I feel it.
I feel it when you say thatthat's amazing, for sure it's
like it took you.
You know, the journey of athousand miles begins with a
(13:18):
single step, and so you had todo what you needed to do for
yourself first before you couldtake care of them, right?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Oh look, 100 percent, 100 percent.
And you know like I never, Inever lost contact with them and
I always saw them.
But I mean, some initially likeit was kind of like, well, what
do I do with my kids when Ihave them, because I hadn't had
them in any circumstance.
It was really basic stuff.
But what is it like to be a mom?
I don't know, haven't been,haven't been at all on my terms.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Oh you, yeah.
And then they've gotten used toliving with their dad and
living in that kind ofenvironment too, where he spent
most of the time with them,right, and while you were at
work, right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So yeah, I mean, obviously it's not like, you
know, a mother daughter ormother son relationship, but
it's.
It's fantastic and and the last, my daughter's actually just
left for uni this last year, butprior to that we were actually
living together again and soafter nine years we were living
together.
So it's been so.
You're just so grateful for thelittle things, even the
(14:24):
17-year-old tantrums and all thethings that go with the
hormones attached to being ateenager, but it's really
precious, I have to say you knowit's always that brings tears
to my eyes how good it is andit's just normal Like we still
argue, like she triggers meabsolutely, but I love every
(14:46):
second of it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So what is she studying inschool?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
She's at university.
She's doing liberal arts andshe's got herself into rowing,
which she loves, and she'sfinding out who she is and it's
really lovely to watch.
You know the idea of let's bein that Because in the UK, in
Australia, when we went to uni,you live in the city where the
university is, whereas in the UKeveryone goes away to
(15:12):
university so they learn how tocook and you know, communicate
and all those sort of thingsaway from home.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So it's kind of like the experience itself to go away
from home life and start a newlife on campus and figure out
who you are as a person.
Okay, I think I always wantedto do that.
When I was home I wanted to goaway, but my mom was like no,
you're staying here.
And then I went to the.
I went to York, here in Toronto, and I mean it was a good
(15:42):
experience.
I met some good friends there,but I think there was a part of
me I think they escape to.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
you know, like in the movies they make it seem so
surreal right, and I thinkthat's what they social media
movies now for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh, my goodness, is it ever?
Did you, was it that wholeexperience?
You brought her to school likeon campus, and then you helped
her get settled in?
And was it emotional for you tolike it's like you're not a
complete empty nester becauseyour son is obviously not ready
for university?
Yeah, but how did?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
it was yeah, I mean it was empty.
It was like an emptiness whenshe'd gone and she was very
emotional about it too.
But it's like you know, oncethey settle in and make a couple
of friends, like she's reallyenjoying it, she's really
enjoying the whole experience,very social and fitting and
nicely, and it is very much likeokay, so look at it, now I
(16:41):
don't have to be where I ambecause I was here for her
education.
So where will I be?
But I mean in the UK somewhere,because Australia is a long way
away.
You know, if I went back toAustralia it's like a 20 hour
flight to get back.
So you'd never see yourchildren.
You know, maybe once every fiveyears or something.
(17:03):
So that's not on the cards atthe moment, but but it opens up
other options and it'sdefinitely different, even
though it was only one child.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was it like growing up inAustralia?
I mean, I don't, you are thefirst that I've met from
Australia and I mean what was?
What was that like?
Tell me.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I grew up in the country, so so in Western
Australia.
Perth is the most isolated cityin the world and I grew up five
and a half hours south of PerthWow, so right on the bottom.
If you kept going south, youwould hit the Antarctica.
So, as far as you can, go southin Western Australia and like
space and simple, simple Spacesea sun.
(17:49):
Mm-hmm, yeah, goes south inwestern australia and like space
and simple, simple space seasun, yeah, and and three things
that I miss.
That I miss most is justeverything big, whereas
everything here is small right,right, right.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
So it's kind of like it's like more of a small town
where you knew your neighborsand and and that kind of
community.
Is that what you mean?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, it was very much like that actually.
Yeah, I mean now the populationin the town is 16,000 people,
in the shire as well.
So in the farming community, ohmy gosh, in the shire.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When I hear that, I think I'm Lord of the Rings.
There is no traffic lights inthe town.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
There's lots of roundabouts, but there's still
no traffic lights.
And this is 70 years later 60years later?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Oh my gosh.
So is it true, Like in Lord ofthe Rings, when they say in the
Shire, do you think that they'vepictured it the same way?
Or it's kind of like they'vemade it more Hollywood.
You know what I mean.
I don't know if you've seenlord of the rings I haven't seen
.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Oh, you haven't okay, that's okay uh, that's, that's
the only surrounding countryside.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly yeah, so I I think
they've done a justice to that.
That's, that's the only uhpicturesque that I have.
Um, when I think of it that way, that that's that's the only
picture us that I have when Ithink of it that way.
That's why I said that.
So, yeah, that's so amazing.
You know, you've had quite thejourney.
(19:15):
So even, even still, I mean,you, you career wise, you were
working in the health sector,right, and so what was that like
?
I mean, you're working longhours right?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I've traveled with that allaround Australia so I've done
all sorts of different bits andpieces in different areas of
nursing and then I ended up inintensive care postgraduate in
that, yeah, and it is it's nowthat I'm not in it any longer
and then I ended up actually ina cardiac catheterization
(19:50):
laboratory, which is basicallywhen you have a heart attack you
come into us and we'll put instents to open up the blood
vessels.
If you need a pacemaker.
You can put the pacemaker in.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh my gosh, my uncle's a cardiologist, so he
puts in the pacemakers, yeah,the pacemaker in.
Oh my gosh, my uncle's acardiologist, so he puts in the
pacemakers, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So that was sort of where I ended up with all that,
and parts of it are fantastic,like the cardiology.
There is so much research andso many moves forward in
technology and what they do inthe hospital setting.
But there's also a lot ofthings that happen in the
hospital setting that chronicillness, for example, that isn't
dealt so well with, and themore I got involved in so I got
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involved in energy medicine wayback when I left the
relationship 11 years ago 12years ago anyway and I started
yoga actually.
So that was my first experienceof of I actually was introduced
to yoga and I joined thisregular yoga studio and the
first.
They have this special start ofthe six weeks for $25.
(20:55):
So I go along every and I knew Ineeded some assistance to get
through the working day.
So I went every day and thefirst two weeks I was in tears
at the end of every class and Ifigured that you know, I get
this sort of relief.
I didn't really know what wasgoing on, but there was got to
be something.
And then, not so long afterthat, I started a yoga teacher
training course and then, sostraight away when I started
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that, that's when things startedto change because I was
introduced to people, thesebeautiful people, who I hadn't
had in my life before.
And then, three months into that, I was introduced to energy
psychology.
So it was all about what youremotions and you know, the
connection between your emotionsand your body, and basically I
got to work on myself for thenext 18 months and it was
(21:41):
completely no question.
It was transformational.
But then life happens and thenmy ex-husband, who's English,
from Manchester, decides he'smoving the children to the UK
and they all have dualcitizenship and I had to get a
visa to get here.
Wow, and I didn't get the firstvisa I applied for, did I?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like it was such a Always a challenge, isn't it?
We just can't get things theeasy way.
It's like yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So clearly you know I wasn't ready to go.
So two years later I got overhere and, oh my gosh, it took
you two years.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Wow.
I know this is like we're partof the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Australia is part of the Commonwealth.
We speak the same language, Ourqualifications are at a higher
standard than the ones here, butI wasn't coming on a nursing
visa.
It was access right to child'svisa because the children were
here and I didn't get it thefirst time around because it was
on financial grounds.
In the time that I applied theychanged the goalposts.
(22:42):
So I went through an agency andthey said to me no, no, just
show that you've got $10,000 inyour account and that's fine.
So I just showed I had $10,000in my account and in the time
that I applied, in the threemonths it takes to get it, they
changed the goalposts and Ineeded $20,000.
So they wouldn't take me onfinancial grounds.
So I had to wait another sixmonths to reapply.
(23:03):
It's horrible.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, and then when I got here I did more and
financial advice.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Exactly, I'm like yo.
I want my money back.
You guys gave me horribleadvice, Now I have to wait
another.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
They actually did they actually did.
You know they got me through.
They did the whole thing.
Oh, they did All they actuallydid.
You know they got me through.
They did the whole thing.
Oh, they did All.
The next time, but you know,nine months later, sort of thing
.
So, and then when I got here, Iactually did more modalities
because for me that was my wayof coping with a move only
knowing your ex-husband andchildren come to a new life in
(23:39):
the UK Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, A new life beyond your choice.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It was kind of like you were here.
You got to follow your children, right.
Yeah of course, you can't not.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
No.
Yeah, what a journey.
Yeah, yeah.
So so wait a minute.
So when you moved to the UK,what was that like?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you have to get your own place and start all
over again, right, you know,it's really interesting when you
move to a new country becauseyou have no credit rating, you
don't exist, and so even like toopen a bank account.
I had to open online bankaccounts because I couldn't get
one in the high street because Ihad no credit rating.
(24:19):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I know it's like you're ano person.
So it's been an interestingthing and I guess.
So I walked straight into anursing job, though in the
private sector over here, and itwas.
You know I'd been doing energymedicine back at home, part-time
, part-time nursing, and there'sso much red tape here in the
(24:41):
health like so much more thanequivalent in Australia.
So you know paperwork,involvement I mean, I know it's
the health system in Australiathere's a lot more paperwork
than there ever was when westarted into the profession.
But here, honestly, and justthe politics attached to the
work environment, it was justunbelievable.
(25:03):
And I guess the more you getinvolved in energy medicine as
well, your life and your beliefsand your ideals change and you
take on, you're living from yourheart.
So it's a lot like this.
I've always been pretty beingAustralian, you're pretty blunt
anyway, but the more you getinto energy work, your
authenticity is that's.
(25:23):
That's the key to your life.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's when you say energy work, are you talking
about living a life withmindfulness in mind, or just
mindful living?
Is that what you're saying?
So I guess?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
everything.
So if you look at life aseverything is energy yes, the
way we think and what we say,and movement, all of that so you
know, the only reason we're notfeeling great is because we've
got energy blocks in our body.
And when you start looking atlife in a mind, body, self sense
(25:59):
, from energy, your whole lifecan't help but change.
And so that began with yoga,because yoga is a form of energy
medicine.
You're doing movement with thebreath and you're moving energy.
And then the energy psychologyyou're working.
Emotions are just an energy.
You're using emotions to tuneinto your body.
And where are you feeling thatdiscomfort or what emotion are
you feeling?
(26:19):
And you're getting the energyto move through emotions.
So, and then mindfulness is allabout tuning into you.
What is it that you are feeling?
So being okay with whatever itis that you're feeling and just
allowing that to be there.
Rather than focusing on a storythat doesn't feel great, focus
on the feeling.
Get the feeling to move,because the more you focus on
(26:41):
the story, the more you are justplaying out at that frequency
of story.
So if it's not a great storyand it makes you feel annoyed or
aggravated or scared, then themore you tell that story, you're
staying in that same loop ofenergy frequency.
So if you can start to feelyour energy and getting it flow,
(27:02):
then you're going to transformit and raise the frequency and
feel a darn sight better.
So there's a lot of things thatenergy is, because energy is
everything.
But yeah, there's a wholesystematic approach you can take
to it when you're starting tohave that transformation and
change the way you think,because, again, it's habits.
(27:23):
How do we change those habitsand rewire the neural pathways
in the brain?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Diva Tonight Glamour for your ears.
This is 40, a femaleperspective.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm Carlene and this is Diva.
Tonight we are discussingmindfulness a little bit.
Actually, we're discussing alot of things.
We're discussing life after 40with Jodi Law in the UK and we
were just talking about theenergy practice that you've
(27:56):
started, like I mean, obviouslyit's been many years now that
you've been practicing thislifestyle.
But it's very interestingbecause I was saying to you,
when you're starting anypractice or any new habit, it's
like, like my instructor said tome, when you're practicing
mindfulness, it's kind of likegoing to the gym every day.
(28:16):
You just don't like in thebeginning you don't want to go,
but you have to.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
so it's the same thing with my, the mindfulness
practice itself or any energywork, like you said, because you
were you're doing yoga and nowI guess you were saying you're a
yoga instructor, right, likewhile you were like, so while
you're doing a lot, yeah, andall of it is I've actually
created sorry, all the thingsthat I have learned and it's the
shortcuts that I've learnedalong the way because it is
(28:42):
about creating a practice thatbenefits you, and if you can
start the day in a way that isgoing to be a high frequency day
and you're going to feel good,then to me it makes sense to do
that.
So I've actually created a12-week program and it's all
about, first of all, what is itthat does stress you?
What stories are we tellingourselves?
So you really dig deep.
(29:03):
This is the online component,and there's mindfulness in it,
there's grounding, there's allsorts of stuff that really start
getting you in those reallybasic habits energy medicine,
exercises that really helpground and create a great
framework.
And then it's looking atharnessing all of that.
Now we know what's going on,how do we want our lives to be,
(29:23):
because if you don't know what'sgoing on, you don't know what
to change.
So it is really a step-by-stepthing, and the really good thing
is that we get online as wellone-on-one, and we have sessions
online throughout it.
So when you're triggered withthe questions that are asked,
then right, let's sort it out,let's dig in and go.
So energy psychology it's like avisualization, and you go
(29:48):
through and find out whereaboutsin the body.
You're feeling the emotionyou're feeling whatever it is
the topic that you want to dealwith at the time, and then it's
really just like it's somethinglike a brainstorm just get out,
because you're dealing with thesubconscious mind, and the
subconscious mind is the part ofthe brain that creates the
habits.
So let's tap into that andstart changing the habits there.
And once you've allowed thatenergy to move, we then need to
(30:11):
reinforce new habits so that wecan rewire the brain.
And so your hand is held for a12-week period.
Your hand is held to createthose new habits that are going
to serve you to get the lifethat you want to live.
And energy medicine is like wecan test.
I can show you how to energytest your body, because energies
don't lie, and you can seewhere the strengths and
(30:33):
weaknesses are in your own bodyand then you know which
exercises to do to createbalance.
So it's, it's.
It's a therapeutic tool, andfor me it was really important
to have therapeutic tools so youcould see the before and after,
and maybe, maybe it's becauseof my background, but so it's,
it's as a nurse.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I guess it's like visuals, right?
Like people, like they say,when you're starting a new habit
, or when you want to see likeyou're working on a goal, you
want to see the results, likewhen you write a book, you know
that you've written a bookbecause you have a copy of the
book.
And like the same thing whenyou lose weight you can go on
the scale and you know.
But the same thing, I guess,with energy practice, right.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, and this is the thing.
So the modalities that I use.
This is where we're at now andwe can test your energies and
initially there'll be somechanges that will happen quite
quickly.
Other changes, other habits,will be more stubborn, but
there's other ways that we canapproach them.
There's so many things that youcan do and a lot of the things
to do are quite simple.
(31:34):
But unless you know to do them,you're not going to start the
habits.
It's that sort of thing and forme so yes, I'm Australian, my
name like Jodie Law- Jodie Anlaw, even with my middle name Jodie
Anlaw.
It's short, everything'spractical.
And the whole thing is sopractical because if you can't
use it and for me I needed it onan everyday basis when I
(31:55):
started I needed somethingdesperately and I was really
seeking out stuff, and what I'vehoned it down to is really
practical stuff that you can useand start and you can change
your life with it, and I've hadsome great success with it on
other people.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So so it really is a lifestyle change and it's hard,
like sometimes, I think, withsociety and everyday life.
It's one of those things youstop for a little bit and then
you have to be reminded, like Iremember my instructor, like
just checking in on us.
You know those of us that werein the workshop and I find it's
very interesting when you talkabout like you needed something
(32:33):
to work on every day.
I think we all do, we all needa routine, even myself.
I fall off the routine manytimes.
I'm just so rebellious withthat.
But it's important to do thereps, do the steps you know, as
they say well.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think the thing with frameworks it interesting,
isn't it?
Once, someone once said this tome and it stuck in my head
because it's so true If you'vegot a framework of stuff that
works for you because the thingsthat work for me aren't going
to work for you the same, it'svery individual.
But if you've got a framework,and once you've created that
framework and you've got thisinner feeling of contentment,
(33:09):
because you are living your lifetrue to your consciousness, you
know, true to you and you'rebeing authentic, when that's
happening, it doesn't matterwhat happens around you, even if
you have had to miss a daybecause you're on a plane and
you're flying to Australia andit's a 24-hour trip and you
can't get to do your routine,that's absolutely fine, jodie,
are you saying back to theuniverse that I need to go to
(33:29):
Australia?
There you go.
It could be that AbsolutelyManifestation Open up Bring it
in yes, sorry to interrupt, butgo ahead.
Yes, so you're saying you'reusing that?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
as an example.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I know yeah exactly, but it's so embedded in you to
do.
But the point is, you've got aframework, haven't you to build
on?
But the point is, you've got aframework, haven't you to build
on?
And once you've got a framework, within that framework you can
create all sorts of play and itdoesn't have to be regimented,
is what I'm saying.
So, within the framework,you've got certain things or
certain feelings that you wantto create, but there's lots of
things that you can do withinthat framework to make it
(34:04):
interesting, so it doesn't feelmonotonous.
It's that Right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I know, I, I understand what you're saying
with monotonous, because, for me, I got bored easily, and so if
I'm listening to one mindfulnesspractice, I find I have to
change it, because I got bored.
I was listening to this fiveminute one, and now I'm
listening to Deepak Chopra andmaybe I'll go back to Jon
Kabat-Zinn, but I need.
I can't stay with the samepattern day in and day out.
I guess some people do.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, that's absolutely fine.
Do you know what I mean?
And that's you finding yourthing.
That's brilliant.
You're doing it, so you getsomething out of it for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, I think you know what what it does is.
It calms my mind.
I have an overactive brain andone of my doctors said to me
that mindfulness, like just likeanything else there's, there's
a so many.
We're in the digital age wherethere's like cognitive
behavioral therapy.
I've taken that as well.
And then mindfulness practice.
(35:06):
That's another thing.
Everyone has to find the thingthat works for them.
Some people, you know, know,have to go to the gym.
They have to stay active.
That helps them de-stress very,very much so.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And you know, I think back and what I haven't
actually said was when I firstleft, I did the whole
conventional thing and did yougo to the presence and saw a
psychologist.
Yeah, oh, okay 12 months in,nothing had changed.
This same story, like I was nobetter off at all, was just
talking the same thing.
The whole idea that I'm goingto a psychologist was so that my
(35:39):
story would be different.
But nothing had changed and andI and the antidepressants just
numbed.
So that was when I sort ofthought there's just like.
I'm sorry, can't do thisanymore.
See you, later weaned myselfmyself with a GP, weaned off the
antidepressants and thenstarted the yoga and absolutely
no turning back.
It was like chalk and cheese.
It was very empowering becauseyou could feel the difference
(36:02):
and it wasn't just talking aboutlike.
So when it like, what is thetherapy.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Do you find Like?
I mean, you saw a psychiatrist,but I think everyone should see
a therapist if they can, ifthey're dealing with issues in
life.
I think, just having someoneelse to talk to other than your
friends and family, I think youknow.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Absolutely, and I'm not saying no at all.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Oh, of course, yeah, I'm not saying not at all.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And I know that's really big in the US, isn't it
to see a therapist?
Yeah, and I know that's reallybig in the US, isn't it to see a
therapist?
Yeah, yeah, so there is more ofa stigma attached to it in the
UK and Australia as well.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Oh, there is Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, and it would be a psychologist that you would
see.
But honestly I really didn'tfind it helped me at all, and I
suppose because if it had beenwhen I was 20 and I wasn't wiser
in the world, but I was in myearly forties when I left, so by
that stage it was almost like Iwould give them advice, because
(37:01):
they just stepped out of atextbook, you know, and it
frustrated me a lot and I knownot everybody has that
experience, but my experiencewas, you know, this just isn't
working for me.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
And I think, like like you said, there isn't
always a pill that will helpsomeone.
You know what I mean, Maybe inthe short interim, but not
necessarily the case in your ownexperience.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And I think the thing to do is take it up, like if
you get offered thoseopportunities, take like CBT,
take them up and try them,because if it doesn't work there
are other things, is the point.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think I don't like the digital aspect of it, like I
did the Zoom CBT, but I dounderstand why it is a good
practice, because it makes youthink about the action and the
outcome, like, if I do this, orhow am I helping myself?
Cause I think the one thing wedon't always think about in the
moment of stress, you don'talways think about how you're
(38:03):
going to behave, like I'm aperson where it's like, if
someone annoys me, I now I justwalk away, or maybe I'll go take
a five minute break.
You know what I mean?
They're just like to breathe,or because it's just like it's
about reacting, it's.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
it's about not reacting.
It's not jumping in andscreaming and carrying on.
It's about pause.
Let's pause.
Yeah, yeah, let's respondrather than react.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, and some of us do react, I think, when you're
working, like for you, whenyou're stressed.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Absolutely yeah, you worked in healthcare as a nurse
for so many years and that's avery stressful environment, very
high pressure, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And it absolutely was , and parts of the job I really
enjoyed, but it was the politicsthat really drove it into me.
And by the time I'd left like Iwas burnt out the last, like I
was my health started todeteriorate.
Yeah, you know, and when you'renot listening your health keeps
deteriorating until you dosomething about it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So what's the name?
Yeah, oh, sorry.
So what is the name of thebusiness that you do now?
So it's transform.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It's actually Jodi-Ann Law.
It's my name.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So we can check you out.
Just put your name in Google,jodi-ann Law, and then we'll
find you.
Yes, well, it's Jodi with an.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I and Ann with an E.
But it's take control of yourhealth, naturally is the strap
line, but I've got on my website.
I have got free affirmations, soone of the things that are
really good to do is have thatpositive affirmations playing so
that it uplifts you and that'ssomething that can raise your
frequency for the start of theday.
(39:47):
There's a thing around anxiety.
It's just really simple thingsthat can help if you're feeling
anxious what to do, and you canjust have a look at those.
They're free on my website andyou can also book in a free
consultation for 30 minutes ifyou wanted to have a chat about
things.
Because, energetically, theother really good thing I love
about it not only is it atherapeutic tool the way I use
(40:09):
it but it can complementanything any other treatment
that you might be getting.
It's just it empowers you tounderstand yourself from an
energetic point of view and findout what's going on in you.
You have such a differentrelationship within you when you
tune into what you're thinking,what you're feeling, what
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you're feeling emotionally andhow you're feeling physically,
when you tune into that on aregular basis.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Do you think that this has made this practice, has
made you like a moreunderstanding parent?
Like has it changed?
Oh my God?
Like you have with yourdaughter.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Completely and utterly.
And I think also, you know alot of the people that find
energy medicine are people thatthey're seeking it for a start
because they're not getting theanswers they want externally.
And once they started, you knowempaths.
There's a lot of people in thehealth system that are empaths,
but because that's why they gointo that type of work and it's
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energy medicine is the same.
It's because your senses areheightened, like the fact that
you feel emotions in a lot moredepth than other people.
Then, once you start tounderstand them, it's your
superpower.
So then you start to know whatto do with it.
It's that.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
You're so right about that, I think, when you realize
that your energy, like peopleare either sucking the energy
from you or they're adding tothat energy and you have to
figure out how to manage yourday-to-day.
What do you like we?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
were talking about boundaries earlier.
You know, yeah, all of thatcomes into it and you can do so
much intentionally and there'sexercises that can help with all
that energetically, becausewe've got nine energy systems in
our body that we can work withfor all of that as well.
So we're just doing certainexercises that can benefit
exactly that.
When you know that you're goingto speak with an energy vampire
(42:00):
, it just sucks the life out ofyou.
You can do things intentionallyso that they stay in their
energy and you stay in yours,and it gives you so much more
power because you leave themthen not feeling frazzled.
You've gone in and said whatyou needed to say and then
you've left on your energeticterms.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I like that.
You left on your own energeticterms.
I think this lifestyle, I thinkit's been around a long time
you know what I mean since backthen, I guess even before the
80s, because I know JonKabat-Zinn, who they they call
him the grandfather ofmindfulness practice right,
because he's been doing it solong, but very great person.
(42:41):
I have great respect for himand from what I've learned and I
it's like you said, it's a wayof life and like just you said
something though the nine, thereare nine energy systems.
What are those?
Yeah, so the?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
modality that I use.
I don't know if you've heard ofit.
It's Eden Method.
Donna Eden, she's actually anAmerican woman and she can see
energy.
So she has spent her lifetimecreating protocols for people
that can't see energy, so thatpeople that can't see energy can
learn them and teach and healpeople.
So it's healing with your hands.
(43:15):
But she's gone around.
So when she was in her late 20s,she hadn't had very good health
her whole life.
She had MS when she wasdiagnosed at 16.
And then at 29, I think it was,she had a heart attack and was
told to put all her affairs inorder and she had two young
children at the time and shecould see energy.
(43:35):
So she decided she was going totry and heal herself and within
two years she had no moresymptoms of MS and then she
started working on other people.
Yeah, wow, and it's just gonefrom strength to strength and so
a lot of the modalities thatit's a mixture of modalities.
So we're talking ancienthealing, yeah, and kinesiology
is a form of energy medicine andthat's the therapeutic part of
(43:59):
this that I do.
You can test for over energiesor under energies and what's
going on.
And she went to a kinesiologytalk when she was trying to
learn all about what she saw andmatch it up.
And she went, she came back.
I'm so excited because thosethings that go up and down the
body, they're meridians, that'swhat I see, and those things
(44:19):
that go around and around,they're chakras.
Oh, my God, how exciting shehad a name to what she could see
.
So she's kind of doneeverything back to front.
So she's borrowed from allsorts of the modalities to match
what she sees and createdprotocols.
And because we've got nineenergy systems we can play with,
if something isn't working forsomebody, you're going to
approach it in a different way.
So there's lots of tools thatyou can use.
(44:40):
And balancing hormones forchronic pain, for the immune
system, and 90% of chronicillness is caused by stress.
So let's use energy, melisandre, to balance that out by stress.
So let's use energy, melisand,to balance that out, because
there's part of energy systemsthat's like the arteries and
veins of the anatomy worldcalled the meridians.
(45:00):
Part of that is the triplewarmer.
Now, the triple warmer is thefine flight.
Now, I've heard of fine flight.
Yes, fight for flight.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yes, I have, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
So there's an energy component that's just like that,
and so your fight for flightresponse.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
is that what you mean , Like when you're Exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So you know when we're stressed we're in fine
flight and and which means we'reyou know when we're in rest and
digest.
Our body is harmonious andwe're growing as we should and
everything's happy and wehaven't got symptoms Right.
But the majority of time we'rein fine flight because we're
(45:39):
stressed, we've got deadlines tomeet, we've got horrible bosses
, we've got all these thingsgoing on, and so the hormones
that are running through ourbody are stress hormones.
But our body hasn't advancedfrom caveman days, so the
hormones running through ourbodies aren't designed to be
there for very long periods oftime.
They were designed if you weregoing to get eaten by the tiger
or you would have run like helland got away, but because
(46:03):
they're in our body all the time, we can't be in rest and digest
.
Because you're not, you can'tbe in fight and flight and rest
and digest at the same time.
So if we're constantly in fightand flight, all those hormones
running around our body that aregoing nowhere, then we can't be
.
Our growth and reproductivesystem isn't going to work
properly.
You think about IVF and howmuch IVF there is now, and how
(46:23):
people just can't get pregnantbecause they're chronically
stressed.
Look at your gastrointestinaltract, with more people with
irritable bowel, all themainstream systems, just your
immune system, how many peopledo you?
Everybody knows someone withcancer and autoimmune illness
(46:44):
because we're chronicallystressed.
So if we can harness thatstress component and balance
that out and calm it down.
So in the energy world thetriple warmer is like the fight
and flight.
And then what happens?
That's usually part of themeridian.
You can test for it in yourenergy system.
That's usually over-energizedand because it's one system the
(47:05):
meridian system is one system ithas to draw from somewhere to
get the energy to be overactive.
And the first place it draws isthe spleen meridian.
And so for most of us thespleen is under energized.
It needs some energy.
And so it's the balance betweenthe triple warmer at spleen.
For most people when they cometo see me, that is the first
(47:26):
thing we need to balance,because once the triple warmer
is calmed down and the spleenhas calmed down, then the
energies are a lot easier toread in the body, because the
triple warmer abscess thesecurity guard.
You can't come, you can't come,no, no, no, I'm not going to
show anything, I'm not going toshow anything.
So once that's calmed down,it's like oh, and mindfulness is
a really good way of calmingdown the triple warmer, because
(47:48):
it's like you know, when youshut your eyes and you're doing
a meditation, it's like ah, it'sthat.
And there's all sorts of holdswe can do.
You can do simple holds to calmthe triple warmer, because it's
so overactive in most of us.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
We're just doing more than we're designed to do Is
the practice a lot better if youclose your eyes, because
sometimes I just have the calmmindfulness you know practice,
or the 10 minute mindfulnessplaying in the background
sometimes, because if I'mrunning late or whatever, but
running late in the morning, youknow to get to work or I'm in a
(48:24):
rush.
So I feel like it helps a bit.
But is it always better topractice with your eyes closed?
That way you could you could do.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
You could, you could mindfully wash the dishes.
It's really, it's just intenseso you could just do it, realize
what you're doing and slowlywash the dishes and dry them.
So it's very much about justlet's slow everything down and
be in the moment so we're notlistening to the outside noise
so as much as when you'repreparing and hurrying around
(48:56):
while you're listening tomindfulness.
It's I'm not sure how much herein the here and now, because
I've actually memorized it.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
What he says, you know what I mean.
Like he says that you know thebirds and and the like.
They all do the same thing.
Like you know, pretty muchthat's what Deepak Chopra says
Like so be mindful of, likepeople, just let them be.
It's pretty much the samemessage.
So the law of least effort iswhat I listen to and so, like
(49:27):
you said, while I'm rushing, I'mnot really like I said, I'm not
really being completely mindful, but because I've listened to
it so much, I know exactly whathe's going to say Okay and then
okay.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
So then from within that like it's a bit like you
know, if you're, if you wake upin the morning and you can just
you don't even have to say itout loud but what are you
grateful for?
So if you're doing that andyou're appreciating what audio
is saying, then there is some.
Obviously that's better thannot doing if that's going to
help you get into the car and goto work in a more mindful state
(50:03):
.
Of course, there's no right orwrong in any of the things.
That is the whole thing.
Is there a right way to domindfulness?
No, there isn't, there's.
Certainly if someone wanted toknow what to do because they'd
never done it before, I couldcertainly guide them.
But it's not a right and wrongway.
It's be okay with whateveryou're feeling.
(50:23):
Is the thing it's gettingcomfortable with?
Being uncomfortable withmindfulness?
If that's your thing, because alot of people when they do
start it is very uncomfortablejust sitting still and they have
that noisy monkey mind.
But so the idea would be don'tstart with half an hour
meditations, just do a couple ofminutes or do a breath
(50:46):
meditation, something thatguides you, so you're listening
to the voice.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, like.
So it's like you said it's,it's just starting off and
keeping at it.
I think that's one.
The one thing is just theregimented lifestyle and, like I
think, as the as my instructorsaid, it's like you have to not
just do it on your own at home,but also be in the community,
because sometimes I think, when,when you're dealing with your
(51:12):
day to day and your family oryour friends are not practicing
mindfulness, it's hard, it'seasier to fall off this pattern,
this lifestyle.
That's why you have to get backat it.
So, just talking to you about,it's very interesting to hear a
different aspect of it, becauseyou're talking about the energy
side aspect of it, becauseyou're talking about the energy
(51:35):
side and there's so many thingsthat people don't know about
your, what actual energy youhave, if they believe in that.
You know what I mean.
Like we don't want to forceanyone, but I learned something
about just even the kind ofenergy, the kind of energy
pattern you have well.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
So I kind of think that everybody is put on this
earth for a purpose, yes, and ifwe're all living our purpose,
the world would be such adifferent place because we would
be living.
You know your authenticity, butalso that your head and your
heart are lined up when you'reliving your purpose.
So the things that you do, like, the heart radiates so much
(52:07):
more energy than anything anyother part of your body and if
you start can breathe throughthe heart and start living
through the heart and doeverything.
So your intuition we're talkinghere.
If you get comfortable enoughwith your intuition to be guided
by that.
You need your head to helpaction what your heart is
telling you, and when those twoare lined up, that's the place
(52:30):
to be and you know as beinghuman.
It's a practice for me as well,even though I've been doing it
for some time, and everybody ishuman.
And can we be like that 24-7,?
Keep practicing.
Yes, you will be, but we do allfall off the bandwagon, so
don't beat yourself up if you do, but it's a really good thing
to work towards, because thething is, it's inner peace, and
(52:53):
I know that I had certainly beensearching that for a very, very
long time and now the majorityof times, that's exactly how I
feel.
So it's worth doing.
I feel it's worth doing andwhen you get that positive
reinforcement, but also whathappens when you start if you
have a graph of this is where Iam now energetically.
(53:15):
I'm just starting my journey andthis is where I want to be that
straight line.
It certainly is not a straightline when I started on my
journey.
I'm here and I started learninga bit about it and I got my
frequency started to be raisedand God, it needed to be so up I
go.
And then it goes down again andgot it needed to be so up I go,
and then it goes down again.
(53:36):
And then it's up and down.
But you're on a trajectory uphere, so it is up and down and
initially it can feel likeyou're never making any headway,
but the first time you dosomething to, you're never going
to go down as far as thisinitial stage, you just don't,
because you're on thattrajectory and you've got more
awareness.
So you start having thatawareness and you start on that
(53:57):
trajectory and you go up and youhave some really good days and
then it might dip again.
And then some good days and dipagain.
But you're heading up this wayand the closer you get to here,
it actually curves off morebecause you've got more tools
and you've got more of your lifein a higher frequency.
It's easier to get out of thosedips because you've got more
(54:19):
tools to use to get out of thedips.
And when people around youaren't in that lifestyle and you
want to bring that into yours,it is harder because your
environment you're in plays amassive role in it, because
that's energy as well, isn't it?
So, yes, seek out communitygroups that are doing things
that you're interested in.
That will help raise yourfrequency, because if you're not
(54:40):
around it, it is a lot harderto do.
But if you're around it, you'resitting in it as well, so it's
there more constantly and so asyou're on your journey up the
curb, you're going to be aroundmore people like that as well,
because, law of attraction, itjust seeks you out because
that's the energy you'reemitting.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Joe Dispenza.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
No, I'm not.
I think I've heard of him.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
He is.
He's a big name in the US.
He's fantastic.
He's very much the sciencebehind all this stuff.
It's about rewiring your neuralpathways.
Right, all this stuff, it'sabout rewiring your neural
pathways so you are your ownplacebo and the body is designed
to heal itself.
That's the premise on all thework that I do.
Your body is designed to healitself.
You just got to give it theright environment to do so.
(55:24):
And if you can say, say youwanted a really nice house, it's
manifestation.
You want a really nice houseand you know where you want to
live it.
If you imagine living in it andbeing in it now, before you
actually have it, you're lettingyour body and your mind know
that that's what you want.
And because you're feeling it,you've got to feel it.
(55:46):
If you say these things they'rejust words.
You've got to actually feel itinternally so that you then
create that space and thatpathway so your brain actually
thinks you're there, becauseyour brain doesn't know the
difference between it happeningnow or your imagination.
So the more you can imagine andreally feel, you're already
rewiring your brain to get thathouse and to get that place.
(56:10):
I was listening to something hewas saying the other day Really
interesting.
So women who live alone he hasthese week-long advanced
retreats and they hook people upbrainwaves for meditation and
everything.
And women that live alone aremuch more in their flow more
often than not because they'rein the environment to do so.
(56:32):
Because women notoriously lookafter everybody else first.
So if you're in a household oreven with a partner, you're
worried about them first andwhat their energy is doing, so
that you're less likely to justfocus on you and your
authenticity and your highfrequency.
So they've done studies onwomen single women that have
(56:53):
gone on these retreats and theyhave a much higher in their flow
over a 24-hour period thanother people because they've got
the opportunity to do andthat's how they've created their
life.
So I thought that wasinteresting yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
I feel you know that women we as women they always
say that women can live like bythemselves and be single and
live a happier life, whereas mennot so much.
I think they need a partner.
But I think, going back to whatI've learned from listening to
other podcasts too, is that weare a human race and so we're
(57:31):
used to being among others, socan't always be alone.
It's good to be alone inretrospect, but we're a social
very much, so yeah, very much so, yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
And that doesn't mean that these women are no oh,
it's just that it's.
It's just that they don't livetogether under the one roof.
I mean, how many relationshipsthese days are.
You have your own place and youknow because yeah absolutely
the show is devoted to.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
you know, this is 40, the life after 40.
So I guess, in retrospect, whenwe do things full circle and
we're going back to thebeginning of the conversation,
when you left you said you werein your forties, right, is that
correct?
So I guess that was like theturning point in your life where
you woke up and like it waslike yeah, let's just do it all
(58:24):
at once, but I've gained so muchinsight from listening to you
talk about mindfulness.
It's like it's brought me calmagain and I'm taking the notes
and I feel like I'm a student ofyour practice and what you've
done with your life and changedyour life because of your
journey to where you are now.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
It's a no brainer.
Of course I'll share it withthe rest of the world.
It's that sort of thing when Ileft the health system.
Okay, it's trust, Like.
The other thing that I haven'tmentioned is that I paint, and
it's only very recently, thelast few months, I've actually
put them on my website.
But the content of what I paintis energy and, like,
(59:06):
ridiculously, I hadn't evenrealised that because I just
have always used it as like ajournal, but it's my visual
representation of that.
So, and that's why it's only inthe last few months, I've put
them on the website, becausethey're part of the story,
because it's obviously what Iuse to heal.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do a lot of things to heal.
I used to write poems and Istopped.
I think.
More so when I was a kid, I hadthose moments where I would
wake up in the night and I havean idea, and if you're not using
that part of the brain orpracticing it like you, you
don't lose it.
But you're not doing it, justlike I think you realize through
(59:45):
nursing, like you did, thepractical thing like to pay the
bills to help support yourfamily, the bills to help
support your family.
But after doing that for so longand realizing that, ok, it's
time to change career path, youfound your way and you found
something that you're passionateabout and I can tell because
you can talk about it.
You know what I mean.
Yes, like, how many hours haveyou got?
(01:00:05):
I know, right, I was just like,well, looking at the time, I'm
like, oh, my goodness, this isamazing, but we're running out
of time again.
But it's, it's very insightfuland I'd like to thank you so
much for sharing your journey,jodi-anne.
So it's Jodi-Anne Law.
If anyone wants to check outher website and start their
(01:00:29):
journey, or even, you know, havea session.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Energy work.
Yeah, it's, it's.
We're here on Zoom, but I candefinitely feel the energy, like
you know, when certain peoplesay things, and then you feel it
, and that's how it is for me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And so complete, and that's that's exactly it.
That that is the energy we'retalking about.
Is that you know, when you knowwhen you walk into a room and
there's been a fight, it's thatfeeling, that's the energy we're
talking about.
So it's starting to understandthat in relation to you and like
, if your energies are balanced,then you don't experience any
symptoms.
So, health-wise, your energy issort of your energy is first.
(01:01:06):
If we can balance that, thenthere's not going to be an issue
from a health point of view.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, powerful stuff, and it's just because we can't
see it.
People don't know it's there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I'm Carlene, and this is Diva Tonight with
Jodi and Laura.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Thank, you so much, it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, it has, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Diva Tonight with Carlene will be back.
Send us a message on Instagramat diva underscore tonight.
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