March 18, 2025 • 14 mins
Join Tony and Grammy Award-winning composer and lyricist Marc Shaiman and Tony and Grammy Award-winning lyricist Scott Wittman as they converse with Des Moines Performing Arts President and CEO Jeff Chelesvig about the writing process for the score of SOME LIKE IT HOT. The genius musical duo who also brought us catchy tunes from Hairspray, Catch Me If You Can and soon to come, Smash, share a few laughs and talk about the making of this HOT, HOT show!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to DMPA Conversations. I'm Jeff Chelswig, President and CEO
of Des Moines's Performing Arts. These podcasts give you an
insider's perspective of the fantastic performances headed to our stages,
straight from the mouths of the creators themselves. Today I
am joined by Tony Award winning and Grammy Award winning
(00:24):
lyricists and composers of Some Like It Hot. Mark Shaman
is the co lyricist and composer of the musical, and
Scott Woman is the co lyricist of the show. Both
of them have then represented on the Civic Center stage
in the past. Their Tony Award winning musical, Hairspray, was
(00:45):
first presented here in Des Moines in April of two
thousand and six. And I have to say this show
Some Like It Hot is one of my favorites because
I am such a fan of what I call old
fashion musicals. When you see this show, you will know
that this is a classic old style musical. Even though
it is a brand new musical, it is not a revival.
(01:07):
It's brand new. It is still in that beloved old
fashioned style. So here is my conversation with Mark Shaman
and Scott. Scott and Mark, thanks so much for being
(01:32):
with me today. We're so happy to be presenting Some
Like It Hot as part of our Willis Broadway series.
I'd like to start by asking you how did this
show come about? Where did you to get involved with
the show.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
There was a producing partners that we had work with,
Craig Zayden and Neil Merren, and we were in London
working on Mary Poppins and they called and they said,
we've just, after a very long negotiation, now have the
rights to Some Like It Hot, and we have a
very let's say important playwright attached as the book writer.
(02:06):
Would you be interested? We said, well, let us let
us talk to Matthew Lopez as a book writer and
find out where his head is about the material. And
we were hesitant because there had already been a musical
by Jill Stein and Bob Merril and that was basically
you know, the movie on the stage. So we were
(02:26):
interested in where Matthew was going to take the story
and it intrigued us, so we signed on.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And we had just finished working with Craig and Neil
on Smash, which because it was about Marilyn Monroe, so
there actually were songs that one song in particular, Let's
Be Bad, we wrote as if it was a song
Marilyn Monroe performed in Some Like It Hot, like, you know,
our own made up.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Song that might have been in that movie.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So we were already had our big toe in the
pool of Some Like It Hot, and it just made sense.
As Scott said, at first, we were reticent. We'd already
worked on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and we're working
on Mary Poppins's Returns, and we knew the double dead
sword that is trying to create a musical out of
a beloved iconic story.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So we were reticent about that.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But Craig and Neils said, what do you think of
the idea of the character of Sugar being black? And
that really turned our head around. At first, we i mean,
we were basically saying no, and then when they said
that to us, we're.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like, oh, that's fascinating. I mean, their idea was not
just to be.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Politically correct about, like, you know, the idea of changing
things around, but that that would make the audience less
inclined to want that person to recreate Marilyn Monroe, that
we would have something new to build on, and we
thought of Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holliday and Lena Horne,
people of that era. Because we also moved they instead
(03:56):
of going to Florida, we have them going to San Diego.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So the idea that she.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Wants to go to California to break into the movies
and create a movie star that didn't exist yet. So
that was all fascinating to us, and that's really what
opened the door to us.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Say and Matthew had moved the period of the story
to the end of Prohibition, so it meant it wasn't
in the twenties anymore, so there wasn't a lot of
Charleston's and things like that, so it felt it had
more of a big band sound, a very popular, you know,
Duke Ellington mood to it. So that really also was
another plus for us.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's such first of all, as I think most people know,
it's based on an iconic film nineteen fifty nine, some
like it hot Billy Wilder directed and co wrote the screenplay.
How did you intersect with the film? Do you remember
when you first saw it or do you have any
recollection of that?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, I mean I certainly remember when I first saw it,
and you know, love the comedy of the piece and
also the politics of it, which are sort of buried
underneath it in a very intriguing way. But those are
three quite amazing performances of big shoes to fill. And
also it's difficult to do a farce on stage when
(05:10):
you have to take moments to stop and sing. So
Casey Nicola, the director and choreographer who want a tony
for it rightfully so devised ways to keep the engine
running physically so it never slowed down. So that was
a big element of it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
There are many things I love about this show. One
of the things I like is that some of the
characters that kind of take a back seat in the
film kind of move front and center. You mentioned, you know, Sugar,
of course is an important part that was played by
Marilyn Monroe. But you have Osgood and Sweet Sue that
kind of have their own moments, and I think that's
something that is so captivating. And a Sweet Sue, that
(05:51):
character cracks me up so much, and same with Osgood,
and you wrote songs for both of them right.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
That they have yea.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Osgood is part of the love stories, one of the stories,
and it seemed appropriate since they're all girl band that
Sweet Soe the band leader would be front and center.
So that seemed to be almost a no brainer in
the telling of the story.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And when you say we wrote songs for them, lord did.
We wrote twice as many songs as are in the show. Now,
you know, on our way to having a finished product.
You know, many songs Capan went. You know, good songs,
but sometimes you decide, oh, let's move the plot this way,
and so you're going to the right instead of the
left or whatever, and so yeah, there were many other
(06:38):
Oz good songs. There were many other Sweet Sue songs
that will happily play for you subscribers.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So in your creative process, what comes first, the lyrics
or the music.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
The story and the characters are first. And then some
call it procrastination. I call it research. But I love
to soak in every part of the period. I had
slang dictionaries from that time. I had watched early Jimmy
Cagney movies were quite an inspiration. And then we sit
down together and we do the lyrics together, and we
(07:15):
sit across from each other and start to word associate
and carve out form for it, and then when we
have enough on the page to mark the heads to
the piano, and then the process continues there.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
We play phrase association.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
We just start throwing out phrases to try to find
the title, and by the time we figure out, oh,
that's a good title, but we suddenly have pages of
phrases and words and then we try to like figure
out how is that, you know, pertaining to what this
character wants to say in the song.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And we usually sit for it two days.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Maybe in abject terror, that just staring at the blank page.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
But then it's amazing how once you have that in
you find that key.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Then suddenly, like we always end up writing too many verses.
There are so many verses that we didn't use for
the song. Some like it hot. I mean, we found
every single analogy you could, every weather, every temperature, kind
of analogy, and we went around the world and you know,
we just had a million verses and so you go
from just absolutely nothing to more than you need.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And that's kind of amazing how that happens.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And you know, like he said, once we have some
kind of form of lyric that has some kind of
rhythmic engine to it, then I'll go to the piano
and set a real melody, and sometimes then I'll write
additional lyrics as I'm singing and playing, and that there
are often nonsense lyrics, but they let you know where
like the rhythm of the melody is. Then I'll move
(08:45):
away from the piano and we'll go back to just
sitting across from each other, and then we'll really carve
that lyric. And that side of the craft is my
most favorite part of the entire experiences is figuring out
the words. And it's weird to be like people who
are putting words in other people's mouths, and when you
sit at rehearsals or performances and you realize, God, that
(09:08):
person up there is saying words.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That we forced them to saying that we wrote these words.
But hopefully that the process just it all feels natural.
But it's quite something.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Well, my connection with this I saw it in previews
and I happened to be there on a night when
I learned after the performance from Jeff Wilson that there
were a lot of understudies and swings in that had
never done the chase scene in the hotel, which is
just one of the most marvelous things, and he said,
we were all just worried that there was going to
(09:42):
be this massive train wreck, but it was. It came
off beautifully. You mentioned Casey Nikolaw. He's such a beloved
person in our industry and so deserving of the Tony
Award you have. I just marveled at the creative team
this that you you it was working on this show.
You know, you mentioned Matthew Lopez an Amber Ruffin, who
we know through some other connections. How long did it
(10:04):
take to put this show together?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, it was quite a few years, and then came
COVID right in the middle of it, so that put
us on hold for a while. And I believe it
was during COVID that Amber got involved and we did
a full workshop and then literally the next day everything
shut down. So it was on hold for two years.
We continued to work with Matthew and Amber and Casey
(10:28):
during that process. But I'm trying to think now, was
it five years Mark?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And it's not like every day for five years you're
working on it, but over the span of five years
or so, maybe.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Maybe a little more.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And then right up, you know, through Broadway, and we
were lucky that.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Christian Morrell, who was starring in the show.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
He has a writing partner named Joe Farrell, and they
came aboard as writing additional material. That was really helpful
during previews because both Matthew and Amber, the way schedules
worked out, they weren't able to be with us all
the time, and Christian and Joe jumped right in there
and added a lot of great stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you have a favorite moment in the show that
you'd like to share?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You don't want to spoil too much, but when Daphne
starts to you know, sense something about themselves and is
able to in the way that you can only do
in a musical, sing about it. It's something that can't
even be said. It has to be sung and dance.
And that's the definition of what makes a song and
a musical, you know that. It's a cliche definition of
when a character is so full of an emotion they
(11:28):
can no longer speak.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
It, they must sing it.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And that represents a lot of friends that we've had
over the years, you know, so it's very meaningful to us.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
What else would you like our audience to know about
the show?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well that that they're going to have a fantastic entertaining evening.
You know, we Scott and I love old school show business.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's just Casey. Casey is the same. We were at
almost every preview, and you know, it was nice when
when the audience comes out of the theater tap dancing,
So that to me is a sign of success.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And I'm very proud that the show has a modern
sensibility about the plot and the characters, but with the
foundation of classic Broadway music, yes, that Scott and I
grew up on and wanted to create. So I really
think that we found the right balance and I'm very
proud of that.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I saw the show three times on Broadway in previews
and then twice after it opened, which is rare because
I usually see a show just once, and I loved
every time. And we took a group of our donors
were not for profit theater, and so we took a
group of donors to see it and had a blast,
and a number of our staff members went and they
loved the show. So I'm just so grateful to both
(12:44):
of you for talking to us today.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, and I realized, of course, your subscribers and your
ticket buyers are going to think that there's a line
in the show that was added just for des Moines.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So he's been there and I went wait to hear
about the reactions.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I accused DESSI went ahead of I said, you put
that in for me DURINGE No, you're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was thinking about that as well. So thank you, Mark, Scott,
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
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(13:53):
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Speaker 4 (14:00):
Thanks for listening.
Welcome to DMPA Conversations. I'm Jeff Chelswig, President and CEO
of Des Moines's Performing Arts. These podcasts give you an
insider's perspective of the fantastic performances headed to our stages,
straight from the mouths of the creators themselves. Today I
am joined by Tony Award winning and Grammy Award winning
(00:24):
lyricists and composers of Some Like It Hot. Mark Shaman
is the co lyricist and composer of the musical, and
Scott Woman is the co lyricist of the show. Both
of them have then represented on the Civic Center stage
in the past. Their Tony Award winning musical, Hairspray, was
(00:45):
first presented here in Des Moines in April of two
thousand and six. And I have to say this show
Some Like It Hot is one of my favorites because
I am such a fan of what I call old
fashion musicals. When you see this show, you will know
that this is a classic old style musical. Even though
it is a brand new musical, it is not a revival.
(01:07):
It's brand new. It is still in that beloved old
fashioned style. So here is my conversation with Mark Shaman
and Scott. Scott and Mark, thanks so much for being
(01:32):
with me today. We're so happy to be presenting Some
Like It Hot as part of our Willis Broadway series.
I'd like to start by asking you how did this
show come about? Where did you to get involved with
the show.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
There was a producing partners that we had work with,
Craig Zayden and Neil Merren, and we were in London
working on Mary Poppins and they called and they said,
we've just, after a very long negotiation, now have the
rights to Some Like It Hot, and we have a
very let's say important playwright attached as the book writer.
(02:06):
Would you be interested? We said, well, let us let
us talk to Matthew Lopez as a book writer and
find out where his head is about the material. And
we were hesitant because there had already been a musical
by Jill Stein and Bob Merril and that was basically
you know, the movie on the stage. So we were
(02:26):
interested in where Matthew was going to take the story
and it intrigued us, so we signed on.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And we had just finished working with Craig and Neil
on Smash, which because it was about Marilyn Monroe, so
there actually were songs that one song in particular, Let's
Be Bad, we wrote as if it was a song
Marilyn Monroe performed in Some Like It Hot, like, you know,
our own made up.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Song that might have been in that movie.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So we were already had our big toe in the
pool of Some Like It Hot, and it just made sense.
As Scott said, at first, we were reticent. We'd already
worked on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and we're working
on Mary Poppins's Returns, and we knew the double dead
sword that is trying to create a musical out of
a beloved iconic story.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So we were reticent about that.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But Craig and Neils said, what do you think of
the idea of the character of Sugar being black? And
that really turned our head around. At first, we i mean,
we were basically saying no, and then when they said
that to us, we're.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Like, oh, that's fascinating. I mean, their idea was not
just to be.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Politically correct about, like, you know, the idea of changing
things around, but that that would make the audience less
inclined to want that person to recreate Marilyn Monroe, that
we would have something new to build on, and we
thought of Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holliday and Lena Horne,
people of that era. Because we also moved they instead
(03:56):
of going to Florida, we have them going to San Diego.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So the idea that she.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Wants to go to California to break into the movies
and create a movie star that didn't exist yet. So
that was all fascinating to us, and that's really what
opened the door to us.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Say and Matthew had moved the period of the story
to the end of Prohibition, so it meant it wasn't
in the twenties anymore, so there wasn't a lot of
Charleston's and things like that, so it felt it had
more of a big band sound, a very popular, you know,
Duke Ellington mood to it. So that really also was
another plus for us.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's such first of all, as I think most people know,
it's based on an iconic film nineteen fifty nine, some
like it hot Billy Wilder directed and co wrote the screenplay.
How did you intersect with the film? Do you remember
when you first saw it or do you have any
recollection of that?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, I mean I certainly remember when I first saw it,
and you know, love the comedy of the piece and
also the politics of it, which are sort of buried
underneath it in a very intriguing way. But those are
three quite amazing performances of big shoes to fill. And
also it's difficult to do a farce on stage when
(05:10):
you have to take moments to stop and sing. So
Casey Nicola, the director and choreographer who want a tony
for it rightfully so devised ways to keep the engine
running physically so it never slowed down. So that was
a big element of it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
There are many things I love about this show. One
of the things I like is that some of the
characters that kind of take a back seat in the
film kind of move front and center. You mentioned, you know, Sugar,
of course is an important part that was played by
Marilyn Monroe. But you have Osgood and Sweet Sue that
kind of have their own moments, and I think that's
something that is so captivating. And a Sweet Sue, that
(05:51):
character cracks me up so much, and same with Osgood,
and you wrote songs for both of them right.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
That they have yea.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Osgood is part of the love stories, one of the stories,
and it seemed appropriate since they're all girl band that
Sweet Soe the band leader would be front and center.
So that seemed to be almost a no brainer in
the telling of the story.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And when you say we wrote songs for them, lord did.
We wrote twice as many songs as are in the show. Now,
you know, on our way to having a finished product.
You know, many songs Capan went. You know, good songs,
but sometimes you decide, oh, let's move the plot this way,
and so you're going to the right instead of the
left or whatever, and so yeah, there were many other
(06:38):
Oz good songs. There were many other Sweet Sue songs
that will happily play for you subscribers.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So in your creative process, what comes first, the lyrics
or the music.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
The story and the characters are first. And then some
call it procrastination. I call it research. But I love
to soak in every part of the period. I had
slang dictionaries from that time. I had watched early Jimmy
Cagney movies were quite an inspiration. And then we sit
down together and we do the lyrics together, and we
(07:15):
sit across from each other and start to word associate
and carve out form for it, and then when we
have enough on the page to mark the heads to
the piano, and then the process continues there.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
We play phrase association.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
We just start throwing out phrases to try to find
the title, and by the time we figure out, oh,
that's a good title, but we suddenly have pages of
phrases and words and then we try to like figure
out how is that, you know, pertaining to what this
character wants to say in the song.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And we usually sit for it two days.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Maybe in abject terror, that just staring at the blank page.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
But then it's amazing how once you have that in
you find that key.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Then suddenly, like we always end up writing too many verses.
There are so many verses that we didn't use for
the song. Some like it hot. I mean, we found
every single analogy you could, every weather, every temperature, kind
of analogy, and we went around the world and you know,
we just had a million verses and so you go
from just absolutely nothing to more than you need.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And that's kind of amazing how that happens.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And you know, like he said, once we have some
kind of form of lyric that has some kind of
rhythmic engine to it, then I'll go to the piano
and set a real melody, and sometimes then I'll write
additional lyrics as I'm singing and playing, and that there
are often nonsense lyrics, but they let you know where
like the rhythm of the melody is. Then I'll move
(08:45):
away from the piano and we'll go back to just
sitting across from each other, and then we'll really carve
that lyric. And that side of the craft is my
most favorite part of the entire experiences is figuring out
the words. And it's weird to be like people who
are putting words in other people's mouths, and when you
sit at rehearsals or performances and you realize, God, that
(09:08):
person up there is saying words.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That we forced them to saying that we wrote these words.
But hopefully that the process just it all feels natural.
But it's quite something.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Well, my connection with this I saw it in previews
and I happened to be there on a night when
I learned after the performance from Jeff Wilson that there
were a lot of understudies and swings in that had
never done the chase scene in the hotel, which is
just one of the most marvelous things, and he said,
we were all just worried that there was going to
(09:42):
be this massive train wreck, but it was. It came
off beautifully. You mentioned Casey Nikolaw. He's such a beloved
person in our industry and so deserving of the Tony
Award you have. I just marveled at the creative team
this that you you it was working on this show.
You know, you mentioned Matthew Lopez an Amber Ruffin, who
we know through some other connections. How long did it
(10:04):
take to put this show together?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, it was quite a few years, and then came
COVID right in the middle of it, so that put
us on hold for a while. And I believe it
was during COVID that Amber got involved and we did
a full workshop and then literally the next day everything
shut down. So it was on hold for two years.
We continued to work with Matthew and Amber and Casey
(10:28):
during that process. But I'm trying to think now, was
it five years Mark?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And it's not like every day for five years you're
working on it, but over the span of five years
or so, maybe.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Maybe a little more.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And then right up, you know, through Broadway, and we
were lucky that.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Christian Morrell, who was starring in the show.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
He has a writing partner named Joe Farrell, and they
came aboard as writing additional material. That was really helpful
during previews because both Matthew and Amber, the way schedules
worked out, they weren't able to be with us all
the time, and Christian and Joe jumped right in there
and added a lot of great stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you have a favorite moment in the show that
you'd like to share?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You don't want to spoil too much, but when Daphne
starts to you know, sense something about themselves and is
able to in the way that you can only do
in a musical, sing about it. It's something that can't
even be said. It has to be sung and dance.
And that's the definition of what makes a song and
a musical, you know that. It's a cliche definition of
when a character is so full of an emotion they
(11:28):
can no longer speak.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
It, they must sing it.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And that represents a lot of friends that we've had
over the years, you know, so it's very meaningful to us.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
What else would you like our audience to know about
the show?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well that that they're going to have a fantastic entertaining evening.
You know, we Scott and I love old school show business.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's just Casey. Casey is the same. We were at
almost every preview, and you know, it was nice when
when the audience comes out of the theater tap dancing,
So that to me is a sign of success.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And I'm very proud that the show has a modern
sensibility about the plot and the characters, but with the
foundation of classic Broadway music, yes, that Scott and I
grew up on and wanted to create. So I really
think that we found the right balance and I'm very
proud of that.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I saw the show three times on Broadway in previews
and then twice after it opened, which is rare because
I usually see a show just once, and I loved
every time. And we took a group of our donors
were not for profit theater, and so we took a
group of donors to see it and had a blast,
and a number of our staff members went and they
loved the show. So I'm just so grateful to both
(12:44):
of you for talking to us today.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, and I realized, of course, your subscribers and your
ticket buyers are going to think that there's a line
in the show that was added just for des Moines.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So he's been there and I went wait to hear
about the reactions.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I accused DESSI went ahead of I said, you put
that in for me DURINGE No, you're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was thinking about that as well. So thank you, Mark, Scott,
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
We appreciate you joining us for this special conversation with
Scott and Mark. D mp A Conversations is produced by
Andrew Downs. Bringing these performances to our stages and the
wonderful educational opportunities to students who see our shows wouldn't
be possible without the generosity of our donors and the
loyalty of our season ticket holders. We're so grateful for
(13:53):
you joining us and thanks for your continued support. Visit
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Speaker 4 (14:00):
Thanks for listening.
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