September 16, 2025 • 56 mins
In this episode of the Do Hard Things Podcast, Jay Tiegs and Brian Larson sit down with Josh De Jong, a Breathwork Coach, Triathlete, and Sales Professional who embodies resilience and transformation. Once nicknamed “Turtle,” Josh turned setbacks into fuel, pushing through spinal fusion surgery and torn labrums to rise as an endurance athlete, coach, and founder of Eldr and Air.
You’ll hear how Josh uses breathwork, mindset, and endurance training to help others unlock their highest potential. He shares practical tools for:
- Building energy, focus, and resilience through breathwork
- Developing mental discipline and clarity under pressure
- Applying endurance frameworks to strengthen grit and consistency
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
All right, welcome back everybody to the Do Hard
Things podcast.
I'm Siegfried J Teagues, herewith my co-host, brian Larson,
and today's guest is someone wholives and breathes the Do Hard
Things lifestyle.
He's not only one of ourcoaches inside the Do Hard
Things Wellness Academy, buthe's also a breathwork
facilitator, triathlon coach andathlete.
(01:05):
And josh de jong, am I sayingyour name right?
Because that's how?
I don't know if I've everactually spoken your name.
So I guess this would be a goodtime if I've uh, is it right?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
it's close.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's the like the young okay, because you're, uh,
you're dutch, all right, sothere we go.
I've been butchering your namein my head, but I've never.
I just realized I've actuallynever said your name out loud.
It's always been Josh.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I've heard it worse before, so.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All right, man.
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Speaker 3 (02:37):
And let's get into today's episode with Josh, all
right, so I'll kick us off here.
So let me do a littleintroduction of Josh.
So you have a man who embodiestransformation, once nicknamed
the turtle, but to see him is atowering presence in stature and
spirit.
He's up there in the air.
He's, uh, earned multipletitles in multi-sport business
and now, as a breathworkfacilitator and coach, he is
(03:00):
currently a packaging consultantconsultant by trade but his
true calling is healing people,just helping them heal and
expand them through breath work.
Josh's journey has taken himfrom overcoming major magical
physical challenges spinalfusion surgeries, torn labrums
but then to guiding others intodeeper states of clarity,
resilience and alignment.
(03:20):
And as the founder of Elder isit Elder, josh?
Is that how you're pronouncingthat?
Yes, yeah, okay, that's what Ithought.
Again, once again, not gettingall the pieces Elder and Air.
And Josh is, as we said, a dohard things coach.
He is on with us on mission toserve men and women seeking
confidence, trauma release andauthentic empowerment.
(03:41):
So Josh is combining physicalfitness, breathwork and
spiritual practice into a lifepurpose, walking that path
towards enlightenment, helpingothers do the same.
So in this episode, called FromTurtles to Tidals, we're going
to hear Josh's story of growthgrit and the tools he uses to
turn setbacks into strength, andwe are going to roll from there
(04:04):
.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah.
So I guess, before we get intoJosh's story, how did we meet
Josh?
We were at the Peaceful WarriorRetreat, brian and I.
We didn't know anyone goinginto this thing.
So we're there together andthere's this towering figure who
has the same haircut as myself,he sports a nice beard and he's
taller than me Usually I'm thetallest guy in the room and
(04:32):
here's a man who's kind oftowering over top of me.
He's got these awesome tattoos.
He's like really fit.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
He just brings this like high level of energy and we
instantly connected and beenbrothers ever since.
So, yes, oh, that was a goodexperience, I remember.
I remember walking into theretreat you guys were deep in
dynamic breath works.
I got there a little late and Idropped in with you guys and
then you must have woken up andall of a sudden there's me, just
uh, fired up with the energy.
I felt it.
The second I got there I waslike this is the place I'm
(04:56):
supposed to be, and then justmeeting all you guys and that
was a really cool experience ohyeah, so good man, so good.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, I guess we'll start off with like while the
peaceful warrior retreat was amen's retreat, what brought you
to something like that?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah.
So I started doing breath workback in 2020, with no real
reason other than I thought WimHof was cool and you reminded me
of my dad, and I wanted to getthe psychedelic effect out of
the breath work.
And then I started learningabout the other benefits
included with it, like thesports performance I was I was
deep into my triathlon careerthen as well, so I had a lot of
(05:30):
success in it.
And then, five years later, Iwas like I really need to do
something with this.
I've I've been learning a lot.
I've grown a lot from it.
It's it's benefited me a lot.
I need to bring it to otherpeople and probably, just like
you guys, I was scrollingthrough instagram one day and
ben's ben hololtz ad popped upand it was probably the one
you've seen where he's sittingon the tree and he's doing the
pranayama breath of fire and hesticks his tongue out.
(05:54):
He's all crazy, full of energyand I was like that guy matches
with me.
And then so the ad was just youwant to become a facilitator,
bring this healing to otherpeople, make some money while
you're doing it?
And reply uh, breathwork, andwe'll reach out.
So I started talking to one ofthe guys.
I ultimately had a call withjack bolton, kind of same thing.
Our energy just mixed and I waslike this is a younger version
(06:17):
of me, like I need to know more,I need to be around these
people more.
So signed up and then met youguys there at the retreat,
jumped into the class as well.
Our 15-week course, and andhere I am- nice, nice, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So do this, josh, talk to us about the, the
background in athletics.
Like you've got the triathlonstuff.
What, what kind of, got you inthat and through it and what
made you want to compete at thathigh of a level?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
yeah, I grew up watching my dad race so lots of
early mornings as a kid.
I mean, he's from theNetherlands, that's where the
last name comes from, and so, asfar as other sports went, he
influenced me to play soccer.
I probably should have playedbasketball.
How tall I am.
Eventually kids at schoolcalled me a waste of height
because I didn't play basketballand I played soccer.
(07:07):
So many years of waking up earlyand going to the races with my
dad and and so kind of whereturtle came from.
I played soccer.
I was pretty good at a youngage but I was playing on it was
not the travel league, so Ididn't even know the travel
travel leagues, the, the skillimprovement leagues existed.
So I went from the the lowerlevel soccer, I guess, programs
(07:31):
right into high school where Ijumped in a skill set that was
way above me and that's whereturtle nickname came from.
So then kind of didn't do muchwith soccer, stopped playing.
Junior year went to college.
Just stopped doing anyathletics at all major gear.
Got out of college.
I needed something to do withmy time and energy and my dad's
(07:51):
here's a bike, here's a helmet.
I came back here to Indianalet's go racing.
So picked it up, got prettygood pretty quick.
In the early 20s it's kind ofeasy to win your age group
because there's not a lot ofthem in there.
But that kind of inflated myego and I really dug my heels in
and start training hard.
And they went on to win ahandful of national championship
titles, five Ironmans, and thenstarted coaching, because that
(08:14):
was another thing that I wantedto teach other people how to do
it too, if I can do it, and theycertainly could as well.
So that's how I got into it.
Nice Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, I don't understand you runners, but I
respect you trust me.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
A lot of times I don't understand myself either
and I'm just like why the fuckam I here?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
why am I here, so that was so.
That's the link to the coaching, because you did.
Did the athletics.
Where did breathwork come in?
Like you said, you started in2020, what, like?
How did that tie into theathletics?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
it was really kind of around kobe time.
I had a lot of time on my hands, like the many of us did during
the lockdown and, like I said,I just kind of came aware of of
wim hof and breathwork and thecold exposure and I just really
liked it and it just had thatextra benefit on my racing.
So I tied it together and ofcourse there's a lot of material
(09:11):
out there about the breath work, increasing your VO2 max and
just helping along with that.
So it's been more recent thatI'm tying the breath work in
with the performance as far ascoaching goes.
But yeah, I used it in my ownperformance for about five, six
years now Nice.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Nice, nice.
How many triathlons have youdone?
The Ironman, you said you didfive.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Five, five full Ironmans, about 27 or 28 half
Ironman, wow, and then I'mprobably approaching over 100.
As far as the PrincetonOlympics go.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Awesome.
What was your favorite Ironman?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Ironman Muncie.
They only did it for one yearhere in indiana.
It was my favorite because mywhole team was out there.
We have a big triathlon clubhere in indiana called tri loco,
and then the whole whole bunchof them were out there, so it
was cool to see everybody duringtransitions through the laps,
um and all that I was.
I was a little bit undertrained for that one, so I also
went in with the mindset of slowdown, have fun, just enjoy it.
(10:09):
It was a nice, cool day, alittle bit rainy.
I don't do well in the heat soI'll always take a colder race.
I just had a good time with it.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now, if someone's listening to this, because we
have a lot of runners, a lot ofmulti-sport athletes, but
they're thinking, oh man, youknow like, or or just a
triathlon in general, whatadvice would you give someone
that's wanting to get into thesport?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
uh, just from the start, that you can do it.
Anyone can do an iron man.
Just if you don't believe youcan do it, go to an iron man and
if you see the the differentbody types across the whole day,
uh it'll.
It'll definitely inspire thatyou can.
Um, a lot of people are afraidof the swim, and that's valid,
because you know if you're outin the middle of the ocean, you
stop swimming, you're, you'regonna drown and that's scary,
(10:56):
but there's plenty of supportout there.
It would just take you time totrain and learn how to do it, do
it efficiently and just startit, start with it and keep after
it.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
What?
What has been some of your inyour?
What challenges have you facedracing yourself in some of these
Ironmans and half Ironmans?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I'm a big guy, I'm not, I'm not your, I'm not your
typical triathlete.
So I, I mean right now I'm inreally good shape, I'm at 209
and I I will not be lighter thanthat right, and that's pretty
hard on my body.
I mean then, through years andyears of a long spine and being
in an aggressive position, Iended up having what's called
(11:36):
isomus spinaeal thesis, so it'sa fancy word, for my vertebrae
was not attached to the othervertebrae and it was kind of
just floating around and then itground down one of the discs.
Brain, it was kind of justfloating around, I mean it
ground down one of the discs.
So it's having the nerve paindown the legs, the centralized
pain in my back.
So I guess the hardest thing isjust probably not having the
ideal body for that kind ofracing.
(11:58):
But I mean it's a benefit inthe swim, it's a benefit on the
bike, the run not so much.
The run is pretty hard on me.
This is probably my biggeststruggle.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I get that.
I'm a tall athlete myself andI'm about 50 pounds heavier than
when I joined the Army.
I was just a rail, I was like175, like 180, and I could run
like the wind In the Army.
I just gained a lot of muscle,of just a lot of girth from all
the lifting and but I've.
(12:28):
I mean people are like, how doyou run that fast?
Because I'm probably rightaround 225 right now and I still
still pretty quick.
But I just don't have that thattypical body type for an
endurance athlete, and so I getI just kind of lumber, I just
kind of just just.
Uh, I'm a diesel engine, I justgot a big engine and I can just
go, and as long as I'm eating Ican go.
And especially on races wherethere's rollers, because I can
(12:50):
use that inertia I can get up,but if it's really hilly then it
slows me down, but if there'srollers I can really really get
my engine going.
But, I'm not a very goodswimmer, yeah it takes practice
and flat courses are the best.
Yes, yeah, so now, as far youknow, you've battled some
(13:11):
injuries.
So what is the mindset it takesto continue to push through
with injuries and I don't knowif you want to get into it, but
you're facing a few things now,like from an athletic
perspective and a coach, youknow we have a lot of.
Injuries are part of being anathlete, injuries are part of
being an athlete, and what aresome of the strategies that you
use to press through mentally,keeping your competitive edge
(13:33):
while also navigating themindset of dealing with nagging
injuries, and what advice wouldyou give people?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah.
So the injuries I had thespinal fusion almost a year and
a month ago Tomorrow will be oneyear one month ago so we
repaired that just in time tofind out that I have torn
labrums and deformed hip falls.
So in beginning of October,beginning of November, I'm
having surgery on each of those.
So yeah, it's been a prettyrough couple of years.
(14:01):
I remember getting off my bikefor the first time and the pain
finally got bad enough, and nowit's pretty hard.
That was the first time and thepain finally got bad enough and
now it's pretty hard.
That was the first time I quita workout because it was painful
enough that I had a halfironman panama city in a month
from when I had gotten off thebike so I had to call it quits.
I haven't really raced since.
I've done a couple events, butthe, the mindsets, it's kind of
(14:22):
sick.
But I'm I'm at a point whereI'm like these are badges of
honor, like I've used my bodyfor the last 15 years so much
and so hard.
I probably could have donethings better.
Brian, you could probably scoldme for some of my non-mobility
things, but I don't know a lotof other people my age that have
(14:45):
gone this hard and earned,earned these scars, so that's
kind of been a mindset.
A lot of people can look atthat in the other way, like
you're 38, you shouldn't behaving back surgery and hip
surgeries and but I say let's,let's get them fixed and see how
much more I can do.
Yeah, that's, that's been a bigthing.
And then, of course, the otherbreath work has helped a lot
with the mentality of it andkeeping my nervous system
(15:06):
regulated, just so you know,when I do have a hard day or I
want to be out training orsomething, I just go do breath
work.
I can do some activating breathworks and really still feel that
adrenaline and behind from that, but also finding the things
that I can do.
It's been a blessing havingolivia, my fiancee.
She just completed her firstfull ironman and I was able to
(15:27):
help her train through that.
Not her dedicated coach she hasa coach but someone there that
can help her out with theworkouts and do as many of them
as I could with her.
I was able to bike for up totwo hours with her this summer
to prepare for that.
So yeah, if somebody else isgoing through the same thing,
just find the little wins thatstill give you the satisfaction
(15:51):
of doing something, if that'sthe cold plunge, if that's the
breath work, if that's justdoing 50 push-ups every day.
Find those small incrementalwins that keep your body moving
and keep you healthy until youcan really get back into the
things that you love.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's a good little piece of advice right there.
If you can't do what you wantto do, keep moving.
Find something that at leastgives you satisfaction.
So that's really good.
I want to.
I want to pick up on breathwork, cause we've talked about
it several times.
Like you, you've bringing it up.
How about I want to hear fromyour words for people hearing
(16:25):
like breath work for the firsttime?
How do you explain it to people?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's a good question.
Tell them you know your breathis the only thing in this world
and this life that you actuallycontrol.
It's the only thing that youcan also put on autopilot, not
think about, but then you cancome back to when you need it.
It's something that you can tapinto to get a release from
where you are now.
You can get into thatpsychedelic effect and kind of
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drift off and meditate and shutthings off.
Shut things down for a littlewhile.
I'm ADHD.
It's the only thing I can do toget me into a meditative state.
My brain's constantly going.
If I try to just regularmeditate it's just list after
list and things I have to do andpeople I need to talk to and
this and that and that.
But with breath work I can shutthat off.
(17:13):
But actually it does movethings around in your brain
while you're doing it.
It pushes blood into differentareas, pulls blood out of other
areas.
As you guys know, the sonicneural can completely flush out
the frontal cortex and open upold thoughts, old memories,
create new thinking patterns andthen things like that.
So, and the best thing is, it'syou know it's not a psychedelic
(17:35):
drug.
So if you, if you do eat a fullof mushrooms, you're going on a
journey for however long theylast.
Uh, if you're doing breath workand it gets too intense, you
just go back to your normalbreathing.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Great point no, the breath work has been incredible.
We had that.
You know, brian led a sessiontoday and my mind was just like
really swirling this morning andI I still struggle.
Meditation has been a challengefor me but I have gotten into
the habit of doing it.
But there's still days that Istruggle.
The breath work is like I don'teven have to like struggle
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because I'm just so focused onthe breath and it gives me such
a good feeling and it puts youin that meditative state Like
it's a it's a superpower, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I have the same experience.
I struggle to meditate but youdo a session, a dynamic
no-transcript, and your justathletic improvement yeah, just
(18:40):
so.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Actually, one of the fun points was when I had the
back surgery.
They give you this breathingapparatus where they want you to
test your lungs because duringthe recovery, if you have weak
lungs, you you essentially could, your lungs could collapse and
you could die.
So they hand me this thing andyou have to suck into it and it
has a little arrow that you haveto keep in a certain spot and
you're supposed to get to like xamount of points based on your
(19:02):
age and, I think, weight, uh.
So they handed to me and I justblasted it all the way to the
top and like I needed a biggerone, and so I was goofing off
with the nurses, like showingthem how, how good I was with it
, and that was pretty cool toyou know, they tell you most
people need to train to get upthere, and a cool process
through all that too is actuallyseeing my lungs in the x-rays.
(19:25):
They're freaking huge and sojust seeing those kind of things
.
I really haven't had a chanceyet to test the VO2 max stuff
with workouts Because, like Isaid, it was about three or four
years ago.
I had to stop training hard andrecently has been when I've
been using the breath work morefor the fitness stuff.
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So I am excited to get a kindof a bar test.
Once I can run fast again andjump on the bike, I'll go have a
vo2 max test and see what it'slike, based on not having done
any hard training for the lastfour years yeah, I think you'd
be surprised, yeah I think you'dbe surprised because I've been
experiencing that.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I took a little bit of time off from cardio and hop
back into a workout just lastweek and I actually nasal
breathed through the whole thingto really push myself and get
that like high altitudesimulation and still kept pace
with just about all of our.
You know you have three or fourof our athletes are just really
crazy high but I kept pace withthe higher middle with nasal
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breathing, just because my lungcapacity is improved from breath
work.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's pretty amazing, that's awesome yeah, I've
noticed my runs are gettingeasier and I'm not doing.
I'm not doing any more speedwork or anything different.
The only thing different is theuh is the breath work, and I'm
noticing it's getting easier.
I saw it, was it probably ontiktok?
There's like a world recordbroken for someone holding their
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breath underwater 29, 29minutes.
I don't even know how that'spossible, but I saw that
yesterday.
I want to share that with youguys.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Wow 29 minutes.
Wow, that is insane.
It's incredible.
I don't even know how that'shumanly possible.
You this question, since youguys have started doing this in
our breath holds.
What's your experience been?
Because I remember the firsttime I did it I struggled with a
one minute breath hold and Ican get to three, three and a
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half, depending on where mynervous system is before I start
the session.
If I do it in the morning andI'm calm and relaxed, I can hit
two and a half to three withoutmuch trouble most days yeah, go
ahead josh, I'm about the sameright.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Where you are Of course depends if I've had
coffee and you know what time itis, but when you started?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
where did you?
Where were you?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Not that long.
Yeah, I think I think Iremember right because I used to
have an app there's a Wim Hofapp and you, it guides you
through the breasts and then youtap it when when you stop
holding.
Yeah, I think I started outprobably right under a minute.
Um, I was excited about the 90s, but then I stopped timing and
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really just just go off that'sactually how I got into
breathwork too, wim hof, and Iuse that app.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That app was good.
It's a good app.
What about you, sig?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
yeah, same, I think a minute.
I remember the first few timesI did dynamic and it was just
like wow, like I get thiseuphoric feeling just kind of.
You know, with the, with theinhales, exhales through the
mouth, and the first holds like60 seconds, I'm like like, feel
like I'm going to die.
And I'm probably not.
I don't know that I can go tothree yet, but I think I'm
definitely like two and a halfif everything is, if I'm having
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a good morning, which issignificantly longer.
And so those, those firstsessions cause I use another app
and some pre-recorded stuff Idefinitely noticed a big
difference, because before Icould barely keep up and now
it's just like those have becomeeasy.
So I'm definitely on like thenext level.
So that's the.
It didn't take that long.
It didn't take that long to seeimprovement, which I thought
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was kind of cool.
And it's interesting to yourpoint, because I did breath work
this morning before yoursession and then I had just
eaten and then I went to yoursession and then my holds were
definitely a lot shorter.
But I don't know, because Ijust I had a much more euphoric
feeling, like I saw a lot morecolor and a lot of visuals,
(23:21):
especially in the in the lasttwo rounds.
It's really just incredible,like and I was in such a deep
meditation like once you uh,when you started the meditation,
like I was out.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I think lacy fell asleep well, I, josh, fell
asleep last week during adynamic too, if I'm not mistaken
.
That's the point I really youthink about.
We're doing this becausethere's the stimulating response
of breath work.
Right, it's hermetic, it'spositive stress, but on the tail
end it actually regulates toget you in that parasympathetic
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state, so much that you can slipinto meditation and actually
fall asleep because you're sorelaxed.
And to me that's been.
For me, that's been the biggestchange it's had on my own life,
like my, my day in and day out.
Now it has decreased my stresslevels and I'm able to find that
in the midst of chaos, I'velearned, when stress amps up,
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you can just take a short littledynamic breath in through the
nose and exhale, and that alonewill kind of it's like you can
snap into that calmer statefaster.
So, okay, which leads me to aquestion Okay, so that's how
that's impacted my personal lifeoutside of the breath work
itself.
What about you, josh?
So you've, you've you've notreally seen it in athletics yet
(24:38):
because you haven't gone backinto it hard How's it affecting
your personal life, all thebreath work you've been doing?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I noticed a long time ago I think the
biggest flag was driving.
I'm an outside sales rep and Iused to sell grocery for a
company.
I would literally all day justdrive grocery store to grocery
store and we had deadlines andmy computer wouldn't work.
I was just a typicaltestosterone-p pumped mid to
(25:04):
late 20 year old, in road rage,punching my steering wheel,
throwing my keyboard.
I just things would set me offand I would react.
The first thing I noticed thebreath work.
Someone cut me off.
I'm like that's okay, what wasthat?
Or like I'd be pushing thedeadline and you know there's
nothing I could do as I watch mycomputer load and I would just
(25:24):
be like, oh, it'll be up thereeventually.
It's just that that space andtime between the action that
happened and the reaction justgrew where I could have pause
and think about it and just belike, oh, that guy probably
didn't cut me off because hewanted to like probably wasn't
malice, it was just probablyincompetence.
And you know he'll learn hislesson, probably not do it again
(25:46):
.
But it calmed me down a lotwith ADD too.
It's like if I start, you know,kind of stemming out or
whatever, I can do some breathsand and bring it back down and
focus in a little bit more.
So that was probably thebiggest in the personal life and
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just a little more control ofyour emotions.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And yeah, yeah, you just pretty much quoted Viktor
Frankl right there, with thatspace between stimulus and
response.
I that's where it's been sopivotal, for me too.
Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I know, for me personally the uh, the sonic
neural has been a great outletfor I feel like I I am very much
like a, like a steam pot, andif I don't let off steam I will
blow up.
And I don't like to blow upemotionally but I gotta be
careful with I.
Guess it's hereditary becausemy father was the same way, but
the sonic neural has led me ableto just like really get a lot
(26:42):
of like just work through that,like tense emotion through the
breath and give space there,like just like letting off a
bunch of steam.
And that's that's been so goodfor me personally.
I love it just helps yourespond versus just reacting.
It gives you that space.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, hey, let's, let's pause here, cause I think
this is a good cause.
You know I mentioned dynamic.
You mentioned sonic neural.
Since Josh you're, you knowyou've gone through the same
training we have, why don't you,for the listeners, talk about
the different techniques youknow activating, stimulating,
and then dynamic and sonicneural so people understand the
framework of what we're talkingabout with those?
(27:21):
Okay, I'll do my best, we'rerecording a podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
We're just not three of us talking.
Yes, good idea.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, so activating breath work can stimulate the
nervous system.
So it's probably a good time todefine the differences in
parasympathetic and sympathetic.
Your sympathetic nervous systemis rest and digest.
This is when your blood isgoing to be in your organs, when
it helps you to rest and digestso you can process your food,
so your liver can do what itneeds to do to be healthy, and
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then when you're in the.
I might get these wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Parasympathetic is fight, fight or those are, those
are backwards sympathetics.
Fight or flight okay,sympathetics.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Fight or flight, so that's when your blood is in
your extremities because youneed to either run or fight.
But when your your blood's outthere, your organs don't have
the blood to repair your bodyand to do the things they need
to do, like sleep and rest andrecover.
And in this day and age we'reconstantly in the fight or
flight state because our phone'sconstantly going off, you hear
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the train go down the street,you hear sirens, your boss is
calling, you know whoever it isis bothering you.
So we're constantly just inthis fight or flight state and
not resting and recovering.
So we do have activating breathwork that can put you in that
state if you need, to say, starta workout or if you're going
into a meeting that you need tobe pumped up for because you're
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presenting.
But you can do faster breaths,like the breath of fire, quick
inhales, exhales to activatethat system.
I think the better benefit isfrom the recovery or relaxation
breath works where you havelonger, slower breath, breath
holds, ohms or sighs or theUjjayi breath.
The ohms and the sighs and thelong exhales activate the vagus
(29:12):
nerve in your neck, whichactually is the nerve that puts
you into the rest and digestsystem so that you can sleep
better and recover, like I said.
So does that answer yourquestion?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah.
Now talk a little bit aboutdynamic and sonic neural,
because those are a differentlevel.
Like the dynamic is obviouslybased off of some of Wim Hof's
style, but just like what thosedo, and the durations maybe as
well, just so it gives everybodya better understanding.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, so dynamic is a series of upwards of 40 deep
inhales and exhales, breathingdeep down into your belly.
So belly breathing is exactlywhat it sounds like you breathe,
with your belly going out.
You're not actually breathingair into your belly, but you're
just pushing it out with yourabs, which pulls your diaphragm
down so that you can bring theair deep into your lungs and
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really fill your lungs all theway up.
So while you're doing thatfilling your lungs and then
exhaling, emptying your lungsit's really working your VO2 max
as well.
So after the 40 breaths, youtake a deep breath in and then
you blow it all the way out, andwhat you've done at this point
is fully cleanse your body ofcarbon dioxide, your CO2.
And then this activates thehormetic stress, like you
(30:25):
mentioned, which activates yourimmune system, so you can start
clearing out old, dead cells andattack anything in your body
that's not serving you at thattime.
So then that's the long boltswe were talking about.
When you're exhale upwards oftwo minutes, three minutes, you
try to hold as long as you canuntil it's uncomfortable, and
then you take a deep breath inthrough the nose and fill your
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lungs all the way up.
So this is really the biggestVO2 max exercise because you're
really expanding your lungs,opening your chest, opening your
ribcage, pulling your shouldersback and expanding In dynamic.
About 15 seconds into that holdwe ask you to take a few steps
more in to really expand thoselungs even more.
This is kind of typically whereI have my psychedelic
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experiences and things can getcolorful, lightheaded.
That's the fun part.
So we hold that upwards of aminute to two minutes and then
there's the long, slow exhaleEncourage to do an om or a sigh
or just blow it out throughpursed lips.
The longer the slower, the moreit's going to activate the
vagus nerve and put you in thatrest and digest state.
(31:32):
And then you do that fortypically four, five, six rounds
.
I've done a variation of that,going upwards of 10 to 12 rounds
and I can get really deep andthe further you go round-wise,
the more kind of a psychedelicexperience you have.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I think we were talking about in the last one
that you did.
You did multiple rounds, like Ithink he went up to 10 and he's
like he was like blasted offinto the moon.
He was just like amazing he washaving such a euphoric
experience.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So yeah, so this actually activates your pineal
gland as well and that's whereyour endogenous dmt if you've
ever heard that word forpsychedelics is stored.
So you can actually releasethat dmt.
That's the chemical that's saidto be released when you're born
and when you die.
So if you can kind of release alittle bit of that, that's when
you you might.
There's theories that that'swhat heaven and hell is.
(32:27):
Is actually your, your dmtexperience.
That could be related toexperiences you've had leading
up to a dmt experience.
If you've kind of lived a badlife of treating people poorly,
you know that that time or thedmt, is gonna be bad.
If you treat people well, thattime of dmt is gonna be good.
So that's could be yourvariations of heaven and hell.
But yeah, it's a it's a reallycool experience.
(32:49):
So that's dynamic in a nutshell.
And then Sonic Neural is justsomething all on its own.
I couldn't believe it when wedid that.
It's just a series of continuedI guess 90% lung capacity in
and out, faster rhythm.
The soundtrack's very importantwith that, I think.
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So it kind of takes you on aride of nice joyful music and
then it gets into some heavywarrior sounding music and what
that does in the process is itdoes pull the brain, the blood
out of your prefrontal cortex,and just gets you into the other
parts of the brain where traumacan be stored, old memories can
be stored.
(33:31):
It really kind of helps you toface things that you might not
have been facing and and like weexperienced at the the retreat,
you can have very outward,intuitive movements and
reactions to it, like screamingif you need to let off some
steam, laughing if you knowthere's something that you've
just been dealing with insidethat you want to joke about and
(33:53):
laugh at.
This is really just differentfor anybody and everybody, and
that one lasts about an hourAfter like the first 10 to 15
minutes of breathingautomatically.
It kind of just kicks intoautopilot and then you're just
doing it and it's pretty wild.
So I suggest anyone andeveryone try it.
It's a pretty awesomeexperience.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
If you would have told me I'm going to enjoy 55
minutes of breath work, I'd havebeen like you're crazy.
But it is the most amazing 55minutes.
I mean just that.
The way the conscious mindshuts off and the subconscious
takes over the breathing, andwhere your, your thoughts and
your energy goes, and the amountof stuck and stored energy you
(34:37):
release is just it's.
You can't even describe it.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's so incredible yeah, yeah, it was phenomenal at
retreat too, when we're doingthe share circle and everybody's
stories of what they wereexperiencing they're all so
vivid, like dreams for everybodywith different purposes.
And then the small things thatwere like connecting through all
of ours that were in the sameroom, like when I was throwing
around.
I was having just a dream, Iguess, of throwing around money
(35:03):
and then Sergey's over theresaying, yeah, I was sitting
there and it was like rainingmoney.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Or the Viking experience, the consciousness of
that group there, that whereseveral guys were having the
same experience of being like inviking boats and on the, the
water and somebody seeingthemselves past somebody else.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
it's, it's wild, but it's so amazing yeah, absolutely
that was not on my bingo cardthis year to experience that,
let alone say that I'mfacilitating that.
And I didn't even know thatexisted.
Brian got me wrapped up in this.
I've done a little bit of WimHof here or there.
I didn't like the feeling of it.
I'm like remember the first fewtimes I did this.
(35:44):
I'm like this is hard, I don'tlike it, it's too hard, I'm not
doing it.
I don't like it, it's too hard,I'm not doing it.
But now that I've been doing itregularly, making a daily
practice and seeing the effectsit's had on other people, it's
incredible.
I just didn't have enoughknowledge around it or
understanding or probably evendoing it appropriately.
(36:06):
Yeah, and and.
But I think for the, the sonicneural, which is a the mystical
freedom experience they call it,having having been in groups
and seeing everyone's experiencewith that has been incredible.
It was interesting what theytheir experience and being able
(36:31):
to process emotions, and I don'tknow if for every single person
has had a very unique andpowerful experience every single
time.
It's so unique, so good yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I think.
I think this would be a greatplace to plug the community,
since the three of us all leaddynamic sessions, and then you
know the potential of doing somesonic neurals in live settings.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Maybe you want to throw something out there about
that yeah, if you want to checkout the experience for yourself,
you go to do our thingsnationcom and join the do hard
things wellness community.
There is a monthly fee for thatbut you're getting four coaches
we do it's.
It's mindset, movement,meaningful challenge and
community.
That that's really the, thefour pillars of the community.
(37:19):
We talk about mindset.
I'm a certified highperformance coach and then every
one of us in here has have hasa background and in in just
mindset and grit and discipline.
So we sprinkle.
You know mindset is is crucialto living a life on offense and
getting after it.
And then the movement bit.
You know we've got to.
We're endurance athletes.
I'm a running coach.
(37:40):
You know Josh has hisexperience in triathlon.
And then you know all of us.
You know we alluded to it.
We're not great at mobility.
Well, we've got Brian to helpus out with mobility and
movement and strength andnutrition and so he brings that
to the table.
And then meaningful challengewe're doing monthly challenges
(38:00):
of some type.
Nadine's hosting a book cluband then just a community of
like-minded people.
Because, look, personal growthand development can feel a
little lonely, like you go outthere and tell people that
you're a triathlon or you'redoing a triathlon or a marathon
or breath work or we're.
We're kind of few and farbetween the, and so getting
(38:20):
connected with like-mindedpeople that are that will cheer
you on and clap when you win isreally, really important.
And ultimately, the goal is todevelop leaders, right?
We want people to step up andbe role models.
So you take care of your mind,body, spirit, and then you're
going to go out there and be thebest role model you can for
your family and for the peopleout there that depend on you.
(38:40):
So doyourthingsnationcom.
And that's it for theinfomercial.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I was going to say and there's our commercial break
, there's our commercial break.
It felt appropriate because, asI'm kind of listening to our
own conversation, like we'retalking about all this breath
work, and if I were listeningabout our experiences I'd be
like I kind of want to try that,and so there's not many people
to try it, so yeah, I could notrecommend it enough and we've
(39:10):
got three facilitators righthere and obviously we're
invested in the community andtribe that we're putting
together, but it it really is agame changer for people.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So if you, if you're listening to this and you're
have any slight interest, gocome check us out, come join one
of our sessions.
And the cool thing about breathwork, or what I find unique, is
that every facilitator hastheir own unique style.
So don't just try one.
Keep trying differentfacilitators.
There's some that you mightprefer over others and that's
(39:36):
okay, but keep finding one andjust keep trying all the
different modalities.
I'll say the dynamic isprobably the workhorse one.
That's the one that'srecommended.
It's the one that we teach moreoften than the others.
But man, there's some good onesout there.
I mean that euphoric one.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Oh yeah that, but man , there's some good ones out
there.
I mean that, that euphoric one.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh yeah, that is a good one.
I forgot about that one, yeah,and I haven't.
I haven't.
We need to lead one of those inthe community, but that one is
that will blast you off to themoon yes as uh as jack would say
, you can get high off your ownsupply, and it's absolutely true
I've not heard him say that.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's funny sounds like jack great well, turtle.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Where did the name Turtle come from?
This is one of the cool thingsthat when we initially connected
because I had recently startedreusing my name, siegfried,
which is my birth name that Ihated for so long, and then you
mentioned the same thing likeTurtle, you kind of rejected the
name Turtle and now it's likehere in quotations, we call you
Turtle, and so tell us about thestory of how you became turtle,
(40:35):
the rejection of it and thenreclamation yeah, yeah, I kind
of alluded to earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I grew up playing soccer and I was good in the
league that I played in, but Ididn't know.
There was like a skilldevelopment team and so I jumped
into the high school team,showed up late because I thought
you're supposed to be there atthe time of the game but you had
to be there, you know, early topractice and whatnot.
But I ran as well.
I was just the slowest guy inthe field but I wanted to be the
(41:02):
forward.
I was going through growthspurts to become this six, eight
frame and and I just didn'thave the movement and the speed
that went along with it.
So one of the not so nicer kidson the team decided to start
calling me turtle and the restof them thought it was funny.
So a few others started callingme turtle and the coaches
(41:22):
started calling me turtle.
And then they got to school andby the time I'd say junior year
, everyone except my parentscalled me turtle.
Um, and it was.
It was hard, it was a rough time.
There were a few other thingsgoing on in I'm I'd say junior
year, everyone except my parentscalled me Turtle and it was.
It was hard, it was a roughtime.
There were a few other thingsgoing on in life too that you
know.
Kids were mean back then, like,like you, you went through SIG
with.
With SIG, you know, I was goingthrough the same with Turtle
(41:44):
and just trying to get away fromit for the longest time I
didn't really know how to, whereto put that energy, how to
react to it, other than fightingand screaming and just not
dealing with it.
Well, so then I went to collegeand I was like, hey, this is.
I went to school down in SouthFlorida, west Palm Beach, like
this is an opportunity to shakethe nickname, like I can go down
(42:05):
there, I could be Josh, I canstart over, be fresh.
But I got down there and I wasjust so conditioned to turtle
that I didn't even hear josh.
And then one night I got drunkand I was like, hey, guys, just
call me turtle.
And they all thought it wasfunny and they loved it.
And then so all of a suddeneverybody in my college is
calling me turtle oh man yeah.
(42:25):
So then I moved back up toindiana here after spending
three years in florida where Iwas going to end up in a body
bag in prison or in the Mexicancartel, because it was not a
very productive few years of mylife down there.
So I ended up coming back toIndiana, I moved in with my
brother, got a job and I waslike all right, seriously, this
time I'm old enough to know myname is Josh, I'll go start
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working a valet job downtown.
So people were calling it Josh,everything was going well.
Then a buddy from high schoolneeded a job, moved out here to
Indiana or to Indianapolis,started working with us and he
still called me Turtle becausehe was one of the guys from the
soccer team and then so itfollowed me here.
But this was right around thetime I was starting to race
triathlon and getting prettygood and people were like, hey,
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why is it turtle if you're, youknow, putting a 25 mile an hour
split down on the bike andrunning six mile or six minute
miles, and so at that point itjust.
It finally was kind of amotivation for me to work harder
too, because then people werereaching out like, hey, turtle,
wow, you're actually doingsomething and not just drinking
and partying, and and that was agood opportunity for me to say,
hey, hey, if somebody like mecould do this, you can as well.
I kind of thrived off that.
(43:35):
So then, you know, wasn'tshying away from telling people
I was turtle, but it wasn't, youknow, telling them not to call
me turtle and and yeah, so it'sbeen hanging around for a little
while and I was just kind ofcool with it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
I used to run slow and now I can run a 18, slow and
now I can run a 18, a sub 19minute 5k and I'm still the
turtle.
That's fun, okay.
So I have one question why onearth did your high school
soccer team not put you in goal?
I mean, a good, tall goalie isalways amazing to have I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I don't know.
I think it was just that badand that slow, but everyone was
just like guys, let him justwant to wear himself out and go
home because I was not good.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Too funny, too funny.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
One of the coolest things is when, when you, the
night that you decided to joinus on the in the do hard things
wellness Academy, we've had this.
There's like a little rock outhere on our pond.
And the night that you said,yes, lacey's like hey, look,
look out there.
I've never seen anything outthere on that rock.
Look what's out there it's aturtle.
And every day since thenthere's been a turtle out there
(44:36):
on the rock.
So every time I see the turtleI always think of Josh, because
it was the day that you decidedto join the team.
He's been there ever since.
So we have a little spiritanimal here with us, so good.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So well, josh, you'd mentioned what is your passion
for coaching, and why did you?
I guess, ultimately, why didyou decide to jump on the team
with us here?
But what is your?
You're in sales, you've beendoing that for a while, but your
passion is ultimately coaching.
What are you hoping to achieve?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, I love helping people and, like I said, I used
to be just a lost guy.
I would be honest with you, Idrink a lot.
I didn't do a whole lot of mylife before getting into
triathlon.
I started coming into myselfand cleaning my act up and
figuring things out and becomingsuccessful and really thriving
off of off of doing well.
I mean I want to teach people,show people how to do that, um
(45:27):
too, and I've always had the thecalling to it and the feeling
to do it and I was never able tokind of put words to it, but
then it was really at retreat,you know, when Ben's teaching us
that our purpose is the path,not the destination.
I mean, you know the definedmasculine is a man of service, a
protector, a provider.
So really stepping into thatrole and defining it and
(45:49):
understanding how to do it islighting that flame and I'm just
happy to show people that youknow you can do anything.
Anybody can do anything.
You just have to stay in mind,disconnect from your, your
limiting belief and just goafter it.
I mean, if that takes you know,a tall, goofy guy to to sign me
up for a program and show youhow to do it, then let's go.
(46:10):
I want to give people the tools.
I don't want to coach somebodyforever.
The perfect client.
I have them for one to threemonths, show them how to do it,
teach them how to do it, sendthem on their way and if they
need to reconnect at some pointlater on, then we can.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
But that's always been my philosophy, even with
triathlon I'm not just givingyou workouts, but I'm showing
you how to train and how to livethe lifestyle, instead of just
you know holding your hands tothe finish line yeah, teach
someone how to fish and get themon their way, that's right.
Yeah, it's good.
So where do you see your workwith coaching, triathlon and
breath work heading into thefuture?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
yeah, just creating a community here in indianapolis.
I long for a group of peoplethat are aligned with that
purpose and the same morals,values and just building the
community, because when the tiderises, the tide rises, so do
all ships, so we can all be herefor each other and we all know
(47:08):
we're on social media.
It's a really rough time rightnow, especially socially,
economically.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
So more healthy, happy of us, and I think it's
incumbent for all of us and I'mgoing to speak directly- to is
men stepping up like they needto be, and I think a lot of our
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challenges and problems insociety wouldn't be nearly as
challenging as they are if menwere stepping up and fulfilling
their role as fathers andleaders and acting like men.
Like you know, the book thatcomes to mind is Way of the
Superior man.
Like men.
Like you know, the book thatcomes to mind is way the
superior man.
That's like the.
To me, that's the manual allmen need to follow and abide by.
(48:17):
So it's a whole tangent, awhole other episode, probably in
the works in the near future,but since you brought that up,
like that's really what's beenon my heart lately, yeah, I'm
feeling you on that.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
It's and it's, it's.
It's like the concept of divinemasculine, like a polarity
masculine that is rooted andgrounded in love and
authenticity.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yes, yeah, it's definitely lacking and that's
the space that we're trying tocreate, you know, with this
tribe.
Is this tribe is?
Is?
You know, we are all you know,all three of us.
I know that we have ourshortcomings and we're trying to
be better men and we're tryingto create a community of
like-minded people who simplywant to be better.
We're we're the coaches.
(49:02):
We're not gurus.
Don't put us up on a pedestal,because we have something to
learn from the students that arewithin, you know, the Academy
and but just being around alike-minded tribe of people that
just want to be better, to, to,to serve and to be grounded and
to be, to go out in the worldand do amazing things.
And, josh, that's why we lovehaving you around, brother.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Thanks.
I'm very excited to be in thepresence with you guys.
I think I told you when, whenyou asked me to join the team, I
looked at Liam and I was like Ican't believe I'm on the same
ball field as these guys.
That's the girl.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
No, it's so good.
As soon as we met you, therewas definitely like a connection
.
Like man, I hope that there'ssome synergy.
And here we are.
We're all on the boat, rowingand trying to get as many people
to join us as possible.
Well, we're already 15 minutesin, so what's?
What do we need to know aboutturtle or what?
Anything else that you'd liketo cover before we start moving
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toward the exit here?
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I don't think so.
I think we got most of it.
I mean, if you want some highenergy and and to be pushed to
your best, then reach out.
I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Brian, do you have any other thoughts or questions?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Not thoughts.
I just you know, as we'rewrapping up, I think it's like
what's on my heart is aninvitation, and it's the
invitation if you are someonewho's been a high performer or
you're just always going aftersomething, or you're just always
going after something butyou're waking up and going, I
(50:36):
don't know.
There's got to be somethingmore than just this pursuit of
this thing.
Then find us and join us,because part of our goal and our
mission, we've walked the pathof struggle and we're still,
like Sig said, we're stillgrowing, we're still figuring
things out, but it took us yearsand years of reading this book
and this book and doing thisprogram, in this one in our
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collective knowledge.
We hope to give our communitymembers that information in a
much shorter time for their owntransformation, and I think
that's what we're about istrying to help transform and
inspire and just keep pushingpeople to do hard things.
So if that resonates with you,find us and come join us.
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Yeah, yeah, and I was feelingthat, as as Josh was talking and
as you were talking, just likeman I I wish I would have found
what we're doing 10 years ago.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time Go ahead.
Jack was here for a while afterretreat.
He's what 23, 25, somethinglike that I just kind of found
man.
I wish I was surrounded withthis group of people and I knew
what you know now when I wasthat age.
I would be so much morepowerful and in a better place.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, yeah, you can read a book, you can listen to a
podcast, but when you arearound people and you have blind
spots that you can't see that'swhy having a coach is so
incredibly important Because youhave things that you can't see
you can accelerate that growthprocess and this is why the
world's highest performingpeople have a team of coaches
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from a variety of differentbackgrounds and you know, from
wealth to relationships, tohealth and wellness to you know
all of these different things,and we're trying to do this in a
way that's affordable forpeople and create a community
around this idea.
So, yeah, not to make this anextended infomercial, but we are
.
I mean, the end of the day,that's what we're trying to do
(52:40):
is we're trying to get peopleconnected and to build this
community of people that justwant to be better.
So, if it speaks to you, clickon the link connect with us.
We'll just take you through asonic, neural or any one of our
other things that we got goingon and we'd be happy to serve,
all right?
Well, I think we're about at theexit here.
Any, josh, what's one takeawayfrom your experience with the Do
(53:06):
Hard Things Nation and yourwork so far?
What has spoken to you the most.
What are you most proud of?
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Develop a morning routine, get your morning
routine going.
I wake up every morning and Iget aligned physically, mentally
, spiritually, before I start myday, and it's it's that time of
the morning 6 to 8 am.
Nobody's calling me, nobody'stexting me, but I can.
I can focus on me and whatneeds to be done so that I can
focus on others.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, you get that fighter stance, yeah, fighter
stance first thing in themorning.
I just had a phone call with aclient earlier.
We were just talking about theimportance of that waking up in
the morning and not being likeright into reaction zone.
He's like, as soon as I wake up, my phone's blowing up, I got
to rush my kids to school.
He's like, as soon as I wake up, my phone's blowing up, I got
to rush my kids to school and aswell.
It's like if you operate thatway, your whole day is reacting.
(53:54):
You can't ever really catch abreath.
So, starting your day, you know, with your cup full and fighter
stance, then you can lean intothe day and just kind of
dominate.
It just has a different the dayhas a different energy to it
when you start off that way?
Yeah, yeah, off that way, yeah,yeah.
Well, josh, we reallyappreciate you coming on today.
I'm sure we will have you backon the podcast again.
(54:14):
You can definitely find Joshinside the uh, the Academy, uh,
and so the cool thing about theAcademy is we've had a classroom
and he's already uploading abunch of breath work.
He's going to be working onsome triathlon training plans
and a myriad of other things.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
And uh, he hosts weekly live sessions and we're
just excited to have Josh on theon the team with us.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So any other final thoughts before we exit?
No, not for me either.
All right.
Well, josh, thanks for sharingyour wisdom today and, you know,
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All right, welcome back everybody to the Do Hard
Things podcast.
I'm Siegfried J Teagues, herewith my co-host, brian Larson,
and today's guest is someone wholives and breathes the Do Hard
Things lifestyle.
He's not only one of ourcoaches inside the Do Hard
Things Wellness Academy, buthe's also a breathwork
facilitator, triathlon coach andathlete.
(01:05):
And josh de jong, am I sayingyour name right?
Because that's how?
I don't know if I've everactually spoken your name.
So I guess this would be a goodtime if I've uh, is it right?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
it's close.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's the like the young okay, because you're, uh,
you're dutch, all right, sothere we go.
I've been butchering your namein my head, but I've never.
I just realized I've actuallynever said your name out loud.
It's always been Josh.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I've heard it worse before, so.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All right, man.
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Speaker 3 (02:37):
And let's get into today's episode with Josh, all
right, so I'll kick us off here.
So let me do a littleintroduction of Josh.
So you have a man who embodiestransformation, once nicknamed
the turtle, but to see him is atowering presence in stature and
spirit.
He's up there in the air.
He's, uh, earned multipletitles in multi-sport business
and now, as a breathworkfacilitator and coach, he is
(03:00):
currently a packaging consultantconsultant by trade but his
true calling is healing people,just helping them heal and
expand them through breath work.
Josh's journey has taken himfrom overcoming major magical
physical challenges spinalfusion surgeries, torn labrums
but then to guiding others intodeeper states of clarity,
resilience and alignment.
(03:20):
And as the founder of Elder isit Elder, josh?
Is that how you're pronouncingthat?
Yes, yeah, okay, that's what Ithought.
Again, once again, not gettingall the pieces Elder and Air.
And Josh is, as we said, a dohard things coach.
He is on with us on mission toserve men and women seeking
confidence, trauma release andauthentic empowerment.
(03:41):
So Josh is combining physicalfitness, breathwork and
spiritual practice into a lifepurpose, walking that path
towards enlightenment, helpingothers do the same.
So in this episode, called FromTurtles to Tidals, we're going
to hear Josh's story of growthgrit and the tools he uses to
turn setbacks into strength, andwe are going to roll from there
(04:04):
.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah.
So I guess, before we get intoJosh's story, how did we meet
Josh?
We were at the Peaceful WarriorRetreat, brian and I.
We didn't know anyone goinginto this thing.
So we're there together andthere's this towering figure who
has the same haircut as myself,he sports a nice beard and he's
taller than me Usually I'm thetallest guy in the room and
(04:32):
here's a man who's kind oftowering over top of me.
He's got these awesome tattoos.
He's like really fit.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
He just brings this like high level of energy and we
instantly connected and beenbrothers ever since.
So, yes, oh, that was a goodexperience, I remember.
I remember walking into theretreat you guys were deep in
dynamic breath works.
I got there a little late and Idropped in with you guys and
then you must have woken up andall of a sudden there's me, just
uh, fired up with the energy.
I felt it.
The second I got there I waslike this is the place I'm
(04:56):
supposed to be, and then justmeeting all you guys and that
was a really cool experience ohyeah, so good man, so good.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, I guess we'll start off with like while the
peaceful warrior retreat was amen's retreat, what brought you
to something like that?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah.
So I started doing breath workback in 2020, with no real
reason other than I thought WimHof was cool and you reminded me
of my dad, and I wanted to getthe psychedelic effect out of
the breath work.
And then I started learningabout the other benefits
included with it, like thesports performance I was I was
deep into my triathlon careerthen as well, so I had a lot of
(05:30):
success in it.
And then, five years later, Iwas like I really need to do
something with this.
I've I've been learning a lot.
I've grown a lot from it.
It's it's benefited me a lot.
I need to bring it to otherpeople and probably, just like
you guys, I was scrollingthrough instagram one day and
ben's ben hololtz ad popped upand it was probably the one
you've seen where he's sittingon the tree and he's doing the
pranayama breath of fire and hesticks his tongue out.
(05:54):
He's all crazy, full of energyand I was like that guy matches
with me.
And then so the ad was just youwant to become a facilitator,
bring this healing to otherpeople, make some money while
you're doing it?
And reply uh, breathwork, andwe'll reach out.
So I started talking to one ofthe guys.
I ultimately had a call withjack bolton, kind of same thing.
Our energy just mixed and I waslike this is a younger version
(06:17):
of me, like I need to know more,I need to be around these
people more.
So signed up and then met youguys there at the retreat,
jumped into the class as well.
Our 15-week course, and andhere I am- nice, nice, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So do this, josh, talk to us about the, the
background in athletics.
Like you've got the triathlonstuff.
What, what kind of, got you inthat and through it and what
made you want to compete at thathigh of a level?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
yeah, I grew up watching my dad race so lots of
early mornings as a kid.
I mean, he's from theNetherlands, that's where the
last name comes from, and so, asfar as other sports went, he
influenced me to play soccer.
I probably should have playedbasketball.
How tall I am.
Eventually kids at schoolcalled me a waste of height
because I didn't play basketballand I played soccer.
(07:07):
So many years of waking up earlyand going to the races with my
dad and and so kind of whereturtle came from.
I played soccer.
I was pretty good at a youngage but I was playing on it was
not the travel league, so Ididn't even know the travel
travel leagues, the, the skillimprovement leagues existed.
So I went from the the lowerlevel soccer, I guess, programs
(07:31):
right into high school where Ijumped in a skill set that was
way above me and that's whereturtle nickname came from.
So then kind of didn't do muchwith soccer, stopped playing.
Junior year went to college.
Just stopped doing anyathletics at all major gear.
Got out of college.
I needed something to do withmy time and energy and my dad's
(07:51):
here's a bike, here's a helmet.
I came back here to Indianalet's go racing.
So picked it up, got prettygood pretty quick.
In the early 20s it's kind ofeasy to win your age group
because there's not a lot ofthem in there.
But that kind of inflated myego and I really dug my heels in
and start training hard.
And they went on to win ahandful of national championship
titles, five Ironmans, and thenstarted coaching, because that
(08:14):
was another thing that I wantedto teach other people how to do
it too, if I can do it, and theycertainly could as well.
So that's how I got into it.
Nice Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, I don't understand you runners, but I
respect you trust me.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
A lot of times I don't understand myself either
and I'm just like why the fuckam I here?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
why am I here, so that was so.
That's the link to the coaching, because you did.
Did the athletics.
Where did breathwork come in?
Like you said, you started in2020, what, like?
How did that tie into theathletics?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
it was really kind of around kobe time.
I had a lot of time on my hands, like the many of us did during
the lockdown and, like I said,I just kind of came aware of of
wim hof and breathwork and thecold exposure and I just really
liked it and it just had thatextra benefit on my racing.
So I tied it together and ofcourse there's a lot of material
(09:11):
out there about the breath work, increasing your VO2 max and
just helping along with that.
So it's been more recent thatI'm tying the breath work in
with the performance as far ascoaching goes.
But yeah, I used it in my ownperformance for about five, six
years now Nice.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Nice, nice.
How many triathlons have youdone?
The Ironman, you said you didfive.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Five, five full Ironmans, about 27 or 28 half
Ironman, wow, and then I'mprobably approaching over 100.
As far as the PrincetonOlympics go.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Awesome.
What was your favorite Ironman?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Ironman Muncie.
They only did it for one yearhere in indiana.
It was my favorite because mywhole team was out there.
We have a big triathlon clubhere in indiana called tri loco,
and then the whole whole bunchof them were out there, so it
was cool to see everybody duringtransitions through the laps,
um and all that I was.
I was a little bit undertrained for that one, so I also
went in with the mindset of slowdown, have fun, just enjoy it.
(10:09):
It was a nice, cool day, alittle bit rainy.
I don't do well in the heat soI'll always take a colder race.
I just had a good time with it.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now, if someone's listening to this, because we
have a lot of runners, a lot ofmulti-sport athletes, but
they're thinking, oh man, youknow like, or or just a
triathlon in general, whatadvice would you give someone
that's wanting to get into thesport?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
uh, just from the start, that you can do it.
Anyone can do an iron man.
Just if you don't believe youcan do it, go to an iron man and
if you see the the differentbody types across the whole day,
uh it'll.
It'll definitely inspire thatyou can.
Um, a lot of people are afraidof the swim, and that's valid,
because you know if you're outin the middle of the ocean, you
stop swimming, you're, you'regonna drown and that's scary,
(10:56):
but there's plenty of supportout there.
It would just take you time totrain and learn how to do it, do
it efficiently and just startit, start with it and keep after
it.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
What?
What has been some of your inyour?
What challenges have you facedracing yourself in some of these
Ironmans and half Ironmans?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I'm a big guy, I'm not, I'm not your, I'm not your
typical triathlete.
So I, I mean right now I'm inreally good shape, I'm at 209
and I I will not be lighter thanthat right, and that's pretty
hard on my body.
I mean then, through years andyears of a long spine and being
in an aggressive position, Iended up having what's called
(11:36):
isomus spinaeal thesis, so it'sa fancy word, for my vertebrae
was not attached to the othervertebrae and it was kind of
just floating around and then itground down one of the discs.
Brain, it was kind of justfloating around, I mean it
ground down one of the discs.
So it's having the nerve paindown the legs, the centralized
pain in my back.
So I guess the hardest thing isjust probably not having the
ideal body for that kind ofracing.
(11:58):
But I mean it's a benefit inthe swim, it's a benefit on the
bike, the run not so much.
The run is pretty hard on me.
This is probably my biggeststruggle.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I get that.
I'm a tall athlete myself andI'm about 50 pounds heavier than
when I joined the Army.
I was just a rail, I was like175, like 180, and I could run
like the wind In the Army.
I just gained a lot of muscle,of just a lot of girth from all
the lifting and but I've.
(12:28):
I mean people are like, how doyou run that fast?
Because I'm probably rightaround 225 right now and I still
still pretty quick.
But I just don't have that thattypical body type for an
endurance athlete, and so I getI just kind of lumber, I just
kind of just just.
Uh, I'm a diesel engine, I justgot a big engine and I can just
go, and as long as I'm eating Ican go.
And especially on races wherethere's rollers, because I can
(12:50):
use that inertia I can get up,but if it's really hilly then it
slows me down, but if there'srollers I can really really get
my engine going.
But, I'm not a very goodswimmer, yeah it takes practice
and flat courses are the best.
Yes, yeah, so now, as far youknow, you've battled some
(13:11):
injuries.
So what is the mindset it takesto continue to push through
with injuries and I don't knowif you want to get into it, but
you're facing a few things now,like from an athletic
perspective and a coach, youknow we have a lot of.
Injuries are part of being anathlete, injuries are part of
being an athlete, and what aresome of the strategies that you
use to press through mentally,keeping your competitive edge
(13:33):
while also navigating themindset of dealing with nagging
injuries, and what advice wouldyou give people?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah.
So the injuries I had thespinal fusion almost a year and
a month ago Tomorrow will be oneyear one month ago so we
repaired that just in time tofind out that I have torn
labrums and deformed hip falls.
So in beginning of October,beginning of November, I'm
having surgery on each of those.
So yeah, it's been a prettyrough couple of years.
(14:01):
I remember getting off my bikefor the first time and the pain
finally got bad enough, and nowit's pretty hard.
That was the first time and thepain finally got bad enough and
now it's pretty hard.
That was the first time I quita workout because it was painful
enough that I had a halfironman panama city in a month
from when I had gotten off thebike so I had to call it quits.
I haven't really raced since.
I've done a couple events, butthe, the mindsets, it's kind of
(14:22):
sick.
But I'm I'm at a point whereI'm like these are badges of
honor, like I've used my bodyfor the last 15 years so much
and so hard.
I probably could have donethings better.
Brian, you could probably scoldme for some of my non-mobility
things, but I don't know a lotof other people my age that have
(14:45):
gone this hard and earned,earned these scars, so that's
kind of been a mindset.
A lot of people can look atthat in the other way, like
you're 38, you shouldn't behaving back surgery and hip
surgeries and but I say let's,let's get them fixed and see how
much more I can do.
Yeah, that's, that's been a bigthing.
And then, of course, the otherbreath work has helped a lot
with the mentality of it andkeeping my nervous system
(15:06):
regulated, just so you know,when I do have a hard day or I
want to be out training orsomething, I just go do breath
work.
I can do some activating breathworks and really still feel that
adrenaline and behind from that, but also finding the things
that I can do.
It's been a blessing havingolivia, my fiancee.
She just completed her firstfull ironman and I was able to
(15:27):
help her train through that.
Not her dedicated coach she hasa coach but someone there that
can help her out with theworkouts and do as many of them
as I could with her.
I was able to bike for up totwo hours with her this summer
to prepare for that.
So yeah, if somebody else isgoing through the same thing,
just find the little wins thatstill give you the satisfaction
(15:51):
of doing something, if that'sthe cold plunge, if that's the
breath work, if that's justdoing 50 push-ups every day.
Find those small incrementalwins that keep your body moving
and keep you healthy until youcan really get back into the
things that you love.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's a good little piece of advice right there.
If you can't do what you wantto do, keep moving.
Find something that at leastgives you satisfaction.
So that's really good.
I want to.
I want to pick up on breathwork, cause we've talked about
it several times.
Like you, you've bringing it up.
How about I want to hear fromyour words for people hearing
(16:25):
like breath work for the firsttime?
How do you explain it to people?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's a good question.
Tell them you know your breathis the only thing in this world
and this life that you actuallycontrol.
It's the only thing that youcan also put on autopilot, not
think about, but then you cancome back to when you need it.
It's something that you can tapinto to get a release from
where you are now.
You can get into thatpsychedelic effect and kind of
(16:52):
drift off and meditate and shutthings off.
Shut things down for a littlewhile.
I'm ADHD.
It's the only thing I can do toget me into a meditative state.
My brain's constantly going.
If I try to just regularmeditate it's just list after
list and things I have to do andpeople I need to talk to and
this and that and that.
But with breath work I can shutthat off.
(17:13):
But actually it does movethings around in your brain
while you're doing it.
It pushes blood into differentareas, pulls blood out of other
areas.
As you guys know, the sonicneural can completely flush out
the frontal cortex and open upold thoughts, old memories,
create new thinking patterns andthen things like that.
So, and the best thing is, it'syou know it's not a psychedelic
(17:35):
drug.
So if you, if you do eat a fullof mushrooms, you're going on a
journey for however long theylast.
Uh, if you're doing breath workand it gets too intense, you
just go back to your normalbreathing.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Great point no, the breath work has been incredible.
We had that.
You know, brian led a sessiontoday and my mind was just like
really swirling this morning andI I still struggle.
Meditation has been a challengefor me but I have gotten into
the habit of doing it.
But there's still days that Istruggle.
The breath work is like I don'teven have to like struggle
(18:11):
because I'm just so focused onthe breath and it gives me such
a good feeling and it puts youin that meditative state Like
it's a it's a superpower, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I have the same experience.
I struggle to meditate but youdo a session, a dynamic
no-transcript, and your justathletic improvement yeah, just
(18:40):
so.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Actually, one of the fun points was when I had the
back surgery.
They give you this breathingapparatus where they want you to
test your lungs because duringthe recovery, if you have weak
lungs, you you essentially could, your lungs could collapse and
you could die.
So they hand me this thing andyou have to suck into it and it
has a little arrow that you haveto keep in a certain spot and
you're supposed to get to like xamount of points based on your
(19:02):
age and, I think, weight, uh.
So they handed to me and I justblasted it all the way to the
top and like I needed a biggerone, and so I was goofing off
with the nurses, like showingthem how, how good I was with it
, and that was pretty cool toyou know, they tell you most
people need to train to get upthere, and a cool process
through all that too is actuallyseeing my lungs in the x-rays.
(19:25):
They're freaking huge and sojust seeing those kind of things
.
I really haven't had a chanceyet to test the VO2 max stuff
with workouts Because, like Isaid, it was about three or four
years ago.
I had to stop training hard andrecently has been when I've
been using the breath work morefor the fitness stuff.
(19:46):
So I am excited to get a kindof a bar test.
Once I can run fast again andjump on the bike, I'll go have a
vo2 max test and see what it'slike, based on not having done
any hard training for the lastfour years yeah, I think you'd
be surprised, yeah I think you'dbe surprised because I've been
experiencing that.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I took a little bit of time off from cardio and hop
back into a workout just lastweek and I actually nasal
breathed through the whole thingto really push myself and get
that like high altitudesimulation and still kept pace
with just about all of our.
You know you have three or fourof our athletes are just really
crazy high but I kept pace withthe higher middle with nasal
(20:28):
breathing, just because my lungcapacity is improved from breath
work.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's pretty amazing, that's awesome yeah, I've
noticed my runs are gettingeasier and I'm not doing.
I'm not doing any more speedwork or anything different.
The only thing different is theuh is the breath work, and I'm
noticing it's getting easier.
I saw it, was it probably ontiktok?
There's like a world recordbroken for someone holding their
(20:52):
breath underwater 29, 29minutes.
I don't even know how that'spossible, but I saw that
yesterday.
I want to share that with youguys.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Wow 29 minutes.
Wow, that is insane.
It's incredible.
I don't even know how that'shumanly possible.
You this question, since youguys have started doing this in
our breath holds.
What's your experience been?
Because I remember the firsttime I did it I struggled with a
one minute breath hold and Ican get to three, three and a
(21:25):
half, depending on where mynervous system is before I start
the session.
If I do it in the morning andI'm calm and relaxed, I can hit
two and a half to three withoutmuch trouble most days yeah, go
ahead josh, I'm about the sameright.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Where you are Of course depends if I've had
coffee and you know what time itis, but when you started?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
where did you?
Where were you?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Not that long.
Yeah, I think I think Iremember right because I used to
have an app there's a Wim Hofapp and you, it guides you
through the breasts and then youtap it when when you stop
holding.
Yeah, I think I started outprobably right under a minute.
Um, I was excited about the 90s, but then I stopped timing and
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really just just go off that'sactually how I got into
breathwork too, wim hof, and Iuse that app.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That app was good.
It's a good app.
What about you, sig?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
yeah, same, I think a minute.
I remember the first few timesI did dynamic and it was just
like wow, like I get thiseuphoric feeling just kind of.
You know, with the, with theinhales, exhales through the
mouth, and the first holds like60 seconds, I'm like like, feel
like I'm going to die.
And I'm probably not.
I don't know that I can go tothree yet, but I think I'm
definitely like two and a halfif everything is, if I'm having
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a good morning, which issignificantly longer.
And so those, those firstsessions cause I use another app
and some pre-recorded stuff Idefinitely noticed a big
difference, because before Icould barely keep up and now
it's just like those have becomeeasy.
So I'm definitely on like thenext level.
So that's the.
It didn't take that long.
It didn't take that long to seeimprovement, which I thought
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was kind of cool.
And it's interesting to yourpoint, because I did breath work
this morning before yoursession and then I had just
eaten and then I went to yoursession and then my holds were
definitely a lot shorter.
But I don't know, because Ijust I had a much more euphoric
feeling, like I saw a lot morecolor and a lot of visuals,
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especially in the in the lasttwo rounds.
It's really just incredible,like and I was in such a deep
meditation like once you uh,when you started the meditation,
like I was out.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I think lacy fell asleep well, I, josh, fell
asleep last week during adynamic too, if I'm not mistaken
.
That's the point I really youthink about.
We're doing this becausethere's the stimulating response
of breath work.
Right, it's hermetic, it'spositive stress, but on the tail
end it actually regulates toget you in that parasympathetic
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state, so much that you can slipinto meditation and actually
fall asleep because you're sorelaxed.
And to me that's been.
For me, that's been the biggestchange it's had on my own life,
like my, my day in and day out.
Now it has decreased my stresslevels and I'm able to find that
in the midst of chaos, I'velearned, when stress amps up,
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you can just take a short littledynamic breath in through the
nose and exhale, and that alonewill kind of it's like you can
snap into that calmer statefaster.
So, okay, which leads me to aquestion Okay, so that's how
that's impacted my personal lifeoutside of the breath work
itself.
What about you, josh?
So you've, you've you've notreally seen it in athletics yet
(24:38):
because you haven't gone backinto it hard How's it affecting
your personal life, all thebreath work you've been doing?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I noticed a long time ago I think the
biggest flag was driving.
I'm an outside sales rep and Iused to sell grocery for a
company.
I would literally all day justdrive grocery store to grocery
store and we had deadlines andmy computer wouldn't work.
I was just a typicaltestosterone-p pumped mid to
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late 20 year old, in road rage,punching my steering wheel,
throwing my keyboard.
I just things would set me offand I would react.
The first thing I noticed thebreath work.
Someone cut me off.
I'm like that's okay, what wasthat?
Or like I'd be pushing thedeadline and you know there's
nothing I could do as I watch mycomputer load and I would just
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be like, oh, it'll be up thereeventually.
It's just that that space andtime between the action that
happened and the reaction justgrew where I could have pause
and think about it and just belike, oh, that guy probably
didn't cut me off because hewanted to like probably wasn't
malice, it was just probablyincompetence.
And you know he'll learn hislesson, probably not do it again
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.
But it calmed me down a lotwith ADD too.
It's like if I start, you know,kind of stemming out or
whatever, I can do some breathsand and bring it back down and
focus in a little bit more.
So that was probably thebiggest in the personal life and
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just a little more control ofyour emotions.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And yeah, yeah, you just pretty much quoted Viktor
Frankl right there, with thatspace between stimulus and
response.
I that's where it's been sopivotal, for me too.
Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I know, for me personally the uh, the sonic
neural has been a great outletfor I feel like I I am very much
like a, like a steam pot, andif I don't let off steam I will
blow up.
And I don't like to blow upemotionally but I gotta be
careful with I.
Guess it's hereditary becausemy father was the same way, but
the sonic neural has led me ableto just like really get a lot
(26:42):
of like just work through that,like tense emotion through the
breath and give space there,like just like letting off a
bunch of steam.
And that's that's been so goodfor me personally.
I love it just helps yourespond versus just reacting.
It gives you that space.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, hey, let's, let's pause here, cause I think
this is a good cause.
You know I mentioned dynamic.
You mentioned sonic neural.
Since Josh you're, you knowyou've gone through the same
training we have, why don't you,for the listeners, talk about
the different techniques youknow activating, stimulating,
and then dynamic and sonicneural so people understand the
framework of what we're talkingabout with those?
(27:21):
Okay, I'll do my best, we'rerecording a podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
We're just not three of us talking.
Yes, good idea.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, so activating breath work can stimulate the
nervous system.
So it's probably a good time todefine the differences in
parasympathetic and sympathetic.
Your sympathetic nervous systemis rest and digest.
This is when your blood isgoing to be in your organs, when
it helps you to rest and digestso you can process your food,
so your liver can do what itneeds to do to be healthy, and
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then when you're in the.
I might get these wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Parasympathetic is fight, fight or those are, those
are backwards sympathetics.
Fight or flight okay,sympathetics.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Fight or flight, so that's when your blood is in
your extremities because youneed to either run or fight.
But when your your blood's outthere, your organs don't have
the blood to repair your bodyand to do the things they need
to do, like sleep and rest andrecover.
And in this day and age we'reconstantly in the fight or
flight state because our phone'sconstantly going off, you hear
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the train go down the street,you hear sirens, your boss is
calling, you know whoever it isis bothering you.
So we're constantly just inthis fight or flight state and
not resting and recovering.
So we do have activating breathwork that can put you in that
state if you need, to say, starta workout or if you're going
into a meeting that you need tobe pumped up for because you're
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presenting.
But you can do faster breaths,like the breath of fire, quick
inhales, exhales to activatethat system.
I think the better benefit isfrom the recovery or relaxation
breath works where you havelonger, slower breath, breath
holds, ohms or sighs or theUjjayi breath.
The ohms and the sighs and thelong exhales activate the vagus
(29:12):
nerve in your neck, whichactually is the nerve that puts
you into the rest and digestsystem so that you can sleep
better and recover, like I said.
So does that answer yourquestion?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah.
Now talk a little bit aboutdynamic and sonic neural,
because those are a differentlevel.
Like the dynamic is obviouslybased off of some of Wim Hof's
style, but just like what thosedo, and the durations maybe as
well, just so it gives everybodya better understanding.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, so dynamic is a series of upwards of 40 deep
inhales and exhales, breathingdeep down into your belly.
So belly breathing is exactlywhat it sounds like you breathe,
with your belly going out.
You're not actually breathingair into your belly, but you're
just pushing it out with yourabs, which pulls your diaphragm
down so that you can bring theair deep into your lungs and
(30:01):
really fill your lungs all theway up.
So while you're doing thatfilling your lungs and then
exhaling, emptying your lungsit's really working your VO2 max
as well.
So after the 40 breaths, youtake a deep breath in and then
you blow it all the way out, andwhat you've done at this point
is fully cleanse your body ofcarbon dioxide, your CO2.
And then this activates thehormetic stress, like you
(30:25):
mentioned, which activates yourimmune system, so you can start
clearing out old, dead cells andattack anything in your body
that's not serving you at thattime.
So then that's the long boltswe were talking about.
When you're exhale upwards oftwo minutes, three minutes, you
try to hold as long as you canuntil it's uncomfortable, and
then you take a deep breath inthrough the nose and fill your
(30:47):
lungs all the way up.
So this is really the biggestVO2 max exercise because you're
really expanding your lungs,opening your chest, opening your
ribcage, pulling your shouldersback and expanding In dynamic.
About 15 seconds into that holdwe ask you to take a few steps
more in to really expand thoselungs even more.
This is kind of typically whereI have my psychedelic
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experiences and things can getcolorful, lightheaded.
That's the fun part.
So we hold that upwards of aminute to two minutes and then
there's the long, slow exhaleEncourage to do an om or a sigh
or just blow it out throughpursed lips.
The longer the slower, the moreit's going to activate the
vagus nerve and put you in thatrest and digest state.
(31:32):
And then you do that fortypically four, five, six rounds
.
I've done a variation of that,going upwards of 10 to 12 rounds
and I can get really deep andthe further you go round-wise,
the more kind of a psychedelicexperience you have.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I think we were talking about in the last one
that you did.
You did multiple rounds, like Ithink he went up to 10 and he's
like he was like blasted offinto the moon.
He was just like amazing he washaving such a euphoric
experience.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So yeah, so this actually activates your pineal
gland as well and that's whereyour endogenous dmt if you've
ever heard that word forpsychedelics is stored.
So you can actually releasethat dmt.
That's the chemical that's saidto be released when you're born
and when you die.
So if you can kind of release alittle bit of that, that's when
you you might.
There's theories that that'swhat heaven and hell is.
(32:27):
Is actually your, your dmtexperience.
That could be related toexperiences you've had leading
up to a dmt experience.
If you've kind of lived a badlife of treating people poorly,
you know that that time or thedmt, is gonna be bad.
If you treat people well, thattime of dmt is gonna be good.
So that's could be yourvariations of heaven and hell.
But yeah, it's a it's a reallycool experience.
(32:49):
So that's dynamic in a nutshell.
And then Sonic Neural is justsomething all on its own.
I couldn't believe it when wedid that.
It's just a series of continuedI guess 90% lung capacity in
and out, faster rhythm.
The soundtrack's very importantwith that, I think.
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So it kind of takes you on aride of nice joyful music and
then it gets into some heavywarrior sounding music and what
that does in the process is itdoes pull the brain, the blood
out of your prefrontal cortex,and just gets you into the other
parts of the brain where traumacan be stored, old memories can
be stored.
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It really kind of helps you toface things that you might not
have been facing and and like weexperienced at the the retreat,
you can have very outward,intuitive movements and
reactions to it, like screamingif you need to let off some
steam, laughing if you knowthere's something that you've
just been dealing with insidethat you want to joke about and
(33:53):
laugh at.
This is really just differentfor anybody and everybody, and
that one lasts about an hourAfter like the first 10 to 15
minutes of breathingautomatically.
It kind of just kicks intoautopilot and then you're just
doing it and it's pretty wild.
So I suggest anyone andeveryone try it.
It's a pretty awesomeexperience.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
If you would have told me I'm going to enjoy 55
minutes of breath work, I'd havebeen like you're crazy.
But it is the most amazing 55minutes.
I mean just that.
The way the conscious mindshuts off and the subconscious
takes over the breathing, andwhere your, your thoughts and
your energy goes, and the amountof stuck and stored energy you
(34:37):
release is just it's.
You can't even describe it.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's so incredible yeah, yeah, it was phenomenal at
retreat too, when we're doingthe share circle and everybody's
stories of what they wereexperiencing they're all so
vivid, like dreams for everybodywith different purposes.
And then the small things thatwere like connecting through all
of ours that were in the sameroom, like when I was throwing
around.
I was having just a dream, Iguess, of throwing around money
(35:03):
and then Sergey's over theresaying, yeah, I was sitting
there and it was like rainingmoney.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Or the Viking experience, the consciousness of
that group there, that whereseveral guys were having the
same experience of being like inviking boats and on the, the
water and somebody seeingthemselves past somebody else.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
it's, it's wild, but it's so amazing yeah, absolutely
that was not on my bingo cardthis year to experience that,
let alone say that I'mfacilitating that.
And I didn't even know thatexisted.
Brian got me wrapped up in this.
I've done a little bit of WimHof here or there.
I didn't like the feeling of it.
I'm like remember the first fewtimes I did this.
(35:44):
I'm like this is hard, I don'tlike it, it's too hard, I'm not
doing it.
I don't like it, it's too hard,I'm not doing it.
But now that I've been doing itregularly, making a daily
practice and seeing the effectsit's had on other people, it's
incredible.
I just didn't have enoughknowledge around it or
understanding or probably evendoing it appropriately.
(36:06):
Yeah, and and.
But I think for the, the sonicneural, which is a the mystical
freedom experience they call it,having having been in groups
and seeing everyone's experiencewith that has been incredible.
It was interesting what theytheir experience and being able
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to process emotions, and I don'tknow if for every single person
has had a very unique andpowerful experience every single
time.
It's so unique, so good yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I think.
I think this would be a greatplace to plug the community,
since the three of us all leaddynamic sessions, and then you
know the potential of doing somesonic neurals in live settings.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Maybe you want to throw something out there about
that yeah, if you want to checkout the experience for yourself,
you go to do our thingsnationcom and join the do hard
things wellness community.
There is a monthly fee for thatbut you're getting four coaches
we do it's.
It's mindset, movement,meaningful challenge and
community.
That that's really the, thefour pillars of the community.
(37:19):
We talk about mindset.
I'm a certified highperformance coach and then every
one of us in here has have hasa background and in in just
mindset and grit and discipline.
So we sprinkle.
You know mindset is is crucialto living a life on offense and
getting after it.
And then the movement bit.
You know we've got to.
We're endurance athletes.
I'm a running coach.
(37:40):
You know Josh has hisexperience in triathlon.
And then you know all of us.
You know we alluded to it.
We're not great at mobility.
Well, we've got Brian to helpus out with mobility and
movement and strength andnutrition and so he brings that
to the table.
And then meaningful challengewe're doing monthly challenges
(38:00):
of some type.
Nadine's hosting a book cluband then just a community of
like-minded people.
Because, look, personal growthand development can feel a
little lonely, like you go outthere and tell people that
you're a triathlon or you'redoing a triathlon or a marathon
or breath work or we're.
We're kind of few and farbetween the, and so getting
(38:20):
connected with like-mindedpeople that are that will cheer
you on and clap when you win isreally, really important.
And ultimately, the goal is todevelop leaders, right?
We want people to step up andbe role models.
So you take care of your mind,body, spirit, and then you're
going to go out there and be thebest role model you can for
your family and for the peopleout there that depend on you.
(38:40):
So doyourthingsnationcom.
And that's it for theinfomercial.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I was going to say and there's our commercial break
, there's our commercial break.
It felt appropriate because, asI'm kind of listening to our
own conversation, like we'retalking about all this breath
work, and if I were listeningabout our experiences I'd be
like I kind of want to try that,and so there's not many people
to try it, so yeah, I could notrecommend it enough and we've
(39:10):
got three facilitators righthere and obviously we're
invested in the community andtribe that we're putting
together, but it it really is agame changer for people.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So if you, if you're listening to this and you're
have any slight interest, gocome check us out, come join one
of our sessions.
And the cool thing about breathwork, or what I find unique, is
that every facilitator hastheir own unique style.
So don't just try one.
Keep trying differentfacilitators.
There's some that you mightprefer over others and that's
(39:36):
okay, but keep finding one andjust keep trying all the
different modalities.
I'll say the dynamic isprobably the workhorse one.
That's the one that'srecommended.
It's the one that we teach moreoften than the others.
But man, there's some good onesout there.
I mean that euphoric one.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Oh yeah that, but man , there's some good ones out
there.
I mean that, that euphoric one.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh yeah, that is a good one.
I forgot about that one, yeah,and I haven't.
I haven't.
We need to lead one of those inthe community, but that one is
that will blast you off to themoon yes as uh as jack would say
, you can get high off your ownsupply, and it's absolutely true
I've not heard him say that.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's funny sounds like jack great well, turtle.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Where did the name Turtle come from?
This is one of the cool thingsthat when we initially connected
because I had recently startedreusing my name, siegfried,
which is my birth name that Ihated for so long, and then you
mentioned the same thing likeTurtle, you kind of rejected the
name Turtle and now it's likehere in quotations, we call you
Turtle, and so tell us about thestory of how you became turtle,
(40:35):
the rejection of it and thenreclamation yeah, yeah, I kind
of alluded to earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I grew up playing soccer and I was good in the
league that I played in, but Ididn't know.
There was like a skilldevelopment team and so I jumped
into the high school team,showed up late because I thought
you're supposed to be there atthe time of the game but you had
to be there, you know, early topractice and whatnot.
But I ran as well.
I was just the slowest guy inthe field but I wanted to be the
(41:02):
forward.
I was going through growthspurts to become this six, eight
frame and and I just didn'thave the movement and the speed
that went along with it.
So one of the not so nicer kidson the team decided to start
calling me turtle and the restof them thought it was funny.
So a few others started callingme turtle and the coaches
(41:22):
started calling me turtle.
And then they got to school andby the time I'd say junior year
, everyone except my parentscalled me turtle.
Um, and it was.
It was hard, it was a rough time.
There were a few other thingsgoing on in I'm I'd say junior
year, everyone except my parentscalled me Turtle and it was.
It was hard, it was a roughtime.
There were a few other thingsgoing on in life too that you
know.
Kids were mean back then, like,like you, you went through SIG
with.
With SIG, you know, I was goingthrough the same with Turtle
(41:44):
and just trying to get away fromit for the longest time I
didn't really know how to, whereto put that energy, how to
react to it, other than fightingand screaming and just not
dealing with it.
Well, so then I went to collegeand I was like, hey, this is.
I went to school down in SouthFlorida, west Palm Beach, like
this is an opportunity to shakethe nickname, like I can go down
(42:05):
there, I could be Josh, I canstart over, be fresh.
But I got down there and I wasjust so conditioned to turtle
that I didn't even hear josh.
And then one night I got drunkand I was like, hey, guys, just
call me turtle.
And they all thought it wasfunny and they loved it.
And then so all of a suddeneverybody in my college is
calling me turtle oh man yeah.
(42:25):
So then I moved back up toindiana here after spending
three years in florida where Iwas going to end up in a body
bag in prison or in the Mexicancartel, because it was not a
very productive few years of mylife down there.
So I ended up coming back toIndiana, I moved in with my
brother, got a job and I waslike all right, seriously, this
time I'm old enough to know myname is Josh, I'll go start
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working a valet job downtown.
So people were calling it Josh,everything was going well.
Then a buddy from high schoolneeded a job, moved out here to
Indiana or to Indianapolis,started working with us and he
still called me Turtle becausehe was one of the guys from the
soccer team and then so itfollowed me here.
But this was right around thetime I was starting to race
triathlon and getting prettygood and people were like, hey,
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why is it turtle if you're, youknow, putting a 25 mile an hour
split down on the bike andrunning six mile or six minute
miles, and so at that point itjust.
It finally was kind of amotivation for me to work harder
too, because then people werereaching out like, hey, turtle,
wow, you're actually doingsomething and not just drinking
and partying, and and that was agood opportunity for me to say,
hey, hey, if somebody like mecould do this, you can as well.
I kind of thrived off that.
(43:35):
So then, you know, wasn'tshying away from telling people
I was turtle, but it wasn't, youknow, telling them not to call
me turtle and and yeah, so it'sbeen hanging around for a little
while and I was just kind ofcool with it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
I used to run slow and now I can run a 18, slow and
now I can run a 18, a sub 19minute 5k and I'm still the
turtle.
That's fun, okay.
So I have one question why onearth did your high school
soccer team not put you in goal?
I mean, a good, tall goalie isalways amazing to have I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I don't know.
I think it was just that badand that slow, but everyone was
just like guys, let him justwant to wear himself out and go
home because I was not good.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Too funny, too funny.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
One of the coolest things is when, when you, the
night that you decided to joinus on the in the do hard things
wellness Academy, we've had this.
There's like a little rock outhere on our pond.
And the night that you said,yes, lacey's like hey, look,
look out there.
I've never seen anything outthere on that rock.
Look what's out there it's aturtle.
And every day since thenthere's been a turtle out there
(44:36):
on the rock.
So every time I see the turtleI always think of Josh, because
it was the day that you decidedto join the team.
He's been there ever since.
So we have a little spiritanimal here with us, so good.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So well, josh, you'd mentioned what is your passion
for coaching, and why did you?
I guess, ultimately, why didyou decide to jump on the team
with us here?
But what is your?
You're in sales, you've beendoing that for a while, but your
passion is ultimately coaching.
What are you hoping to achieve?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, I love helping people and, like I said, I used
to be just a lost guy.
I would be honest with you, Idrink a lot.
I didn't do a whole lot of mylife before getting into
triathlon.
I started coming into myselfand cleaning my act up and
figuring things out and becomingsuccessful and really thriving
off of off of doing well.
I mean I want to teach people,show people how to do that, um
(45:27):
too, and I've always had the thecalling to it and the feeling
to do it and I was never able tokind of put words to it, but
then it was really at retreat,you know, when Ben's teaching us
that our purpose is the path,not the destination.
I mean, you know the definedmasculine is a man of service, a
protector, a provider.
So really stepping into thatrole and defining it and
(45:49):
understanding how to do it islighting that flame and I'm just
happy to show people that youknow you can do anything.
Anybody can do anything.
You just have to stay in mind,disconnect from your, your
limiting belief and just goafter it.
I mean, if that takes you know,a tall, goofy guy to to sign me
up for a program and show youhow to do it, then let's go.
(46:10):
I want to give people the tools.
I don't want to coach somebodyforever.
The perfect client.
I have them for one to threemonths, show them how to do it,
teach them how to do it, sendthem on their way and if they
need to reconnect at some pointlater on, then we can.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
But that's always been my philosophy, even with
triathlon I'm not just givingyou workouts, but I'm showing
you how to train and how to livethe lifestyle, instead of just
you know holding your hands tothe finish line yeah, teach
someone how to fish and get themon their way, that's right.
Yeah, it's good.
So where do you see your workwith coaching, triathlon and
breath work heading into thefuture?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
yeah, just creating a community here in indianapolis.
I long for a group of peoplethat are aligned with that
purpose and the same morals,values and just building the
community, because when the tiderises, the tide rises, so do
all ships, so we can all be herefor each other and we all know
(47:08):
we're on social media.
It's a really rough time rightnow, especially socially,
economically.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
So more healthy, happy of us, and I think it's
incumbent for all of us and I'mgoing to speak directly- to is
men stepping up like they needto be, and I think a lot of our
(47:55):
challenges and problems insociety wouldn't be nearly as
challenging as they are if menwere stepping up and fulfilling
their role as fathers andleaders and acting like men.
Like you know, the book thatcomes to mind is Way of the
Superior man.
Like men.
Like you know, the book thatcomes to mind is way the
superior man.
That's like the.
To me, that's the manual allmen need to follow and abide by.
(48:17):
So it's a whole tangent, awhole other episode, probably in
the works in the near future,but since you brought that up,
like that's really what's beenon my heart lately, yeah, I'm
feeling you on that.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
It's and it's, it's.
It's like the concept of divinemasculine, like a polarity
masculine that is rooted andgrounded in love and
authenticity.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yes, yeah, it's definitely lacking and that's
the space that we're trying tocreate, you know, with this
tribe.
Is this tribe is?
Is?
You know, we are all you know,all three of us.
I know that we have ourshortcomings and we're trying to
be better men and we're tryingto create a community of
like-minded people who simplywant to be better.
We're we're the coaches.
(49:02):
We're not gurus.
Don't put us up on a pedestal,because we have something to
learn from the students that arewithin, you know, the Academy
and but just being around alike-minded tribe of people that
just want to be better, to, to,to serve and to be grounded and
to be, to go out in the worldand do amazing things.
And, josh, that's why we lovehaving you around, brother.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Thanks.
I'm very excited to be in thepresence with you guys.
I think I told you when, whenyou asked me to join the team, I
looked at Liam and I was like Ican't believe I'm on the same
ball field as these guys.
That's the girl.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
No, it's so good.
As soon as we met you, therewas definitely like a connection
.
Like man, I hope that there'ssome synergy.
And here we are.
We're all on the boat, rowingand trying to get as many people
to join us as possible.
Well, we're already 15 minutesin, so what's?
What do we need to know aboutturtle or what?
Anything else that you'd liketo cover before we start moving
(49:56):
toward the exit here?
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I don't think so.
I think we got most of it.
I mean, if you want some highenergy and and to be pushed to
your best, then reach out.
I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Brian, do you have any other thoughts or questions?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Not thoughts.
I just you know, as we'rewrapping up, I think it's like
what's on my heart is aninvitation, and it's the
invitation if you are someonewho's been a high performer or
you're just always going aftersomething, or you're just always
going after something butyou're waking up and going, I
(50:36):
don't know.
There's got to be somethingmore than just this pursuit of
this thing.
Then find us and join us,because part of our goal and our
mission, we've walked the pathof struggle and we're still,
like Sig said, we're stillgrowing, we're still figuring
things out, but it took us yearsand years of reading this book
and this book and doing thisprogram, in this one in our
(50:59):
collective knowledge.
We hope to give our communitymembers that information in a
much shorter time for their owntransformation, and I think
that's what we're about istrying to help transform and
inspire and just keep pushingpeople to do hard things.
So if that resonates with you,find us and come join us.
(51:24):
Yeah, yeah, and I was feelingthat, as as Josh was talking and
as you were talking, just likeman I I wish I would have found
what we're doing 10 years ago.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time Go ahead.
Jack was here for a while afterretreat.
He's what 23, 25, somethinglike that I just kind of found
man.
I wish I was surrounded withthis group of people and I knew
what you know now when I wasthat age.
I would be so much morepowerful and in a better place.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, yeah, you can read a book, you can listen to a
podcast, but when you arearound people and you have blind
spots that you can't see that'swhy having a coach is so
incredibly important Because youhave things that you can't see
you can accelerate that growthprocess and this is why the
world's highest performingpeople have a team of coaches
(52:20):
from a variety of differentbackgrounds and you know, from
wealth to relationships, tohealth and wellness to you know
all of these different things,and we're trying to do this in a
way that's affordable forpeople and create a community
around this idea.
So, yeah, not to make this anextended infomercial, but we are
.
I mean, the end of the day,that's what we're trying to do
(52:40):
is we're trying to get peopleconnected and to build this
community of people that justwant to be better.
So, if it speaks to you, clickon the link connect with us.
We'll just take you through asonic, neural or any one of our
other things that we got goingon and we'd be happy to serve,
all right?
Well, I think we're about at theexit here.
Any, josh, what's one takeawayfrom your experience with the Do
(53:06):
Hard Things Nation and yourwork so far?
What has spoken to you the most.
What are you most proud of?
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Develop a morning routine, get your morning
routine going.
I wake up every morning and Iget aligned physically, mentally
, spiritually, before I start myday, and it's it's that time of
the morning 6 to 8 am.
Nobody's calling me, nobody'stexting me, but I can.
I can focus on me and whatneeds to be done so that I can
focus on others.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, you get that fighter stance, yeah, fighter
stance first thing in themorning.
I just had a phone call with aclient earlier.
We were just talking about theimportance of that waking up in
the morning and not being likeright into reaction zone.
He's like, as soon as I wake up, my phone's blowing up, I got
to rush my kids to school.
He's like, as soon as I wake up, my phone's blowing up, I got
to rush my kids to school and aswell.
It's like if you operate thatway, your whole day is reacting.
(53:54):
You can't ever really catch abreath.
So, starting your day, you know, with your cup full and fighter
stance, then you can lean intothe day and just kind of
dominate.
It just has a different the dayhas a different energy to it
when you start off that way?
Yeah, yeah, off that way, yeah,yeah.
Well, josh, we reallyappreciate you coming on today.
I'm sure we will have you backon the podcast again.
(54:14):
You can definitely find Joshinside the uh, the Academy, uh,
and so the cool thing about theAcademy is we've had a classroom
and he's already uploading abunch of breath work.
He's going to be working onsome triathlon training plans
and a myriad of other things.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
And uh, he hosts weekly live sessions and we're
just excited to have Josh on theon the team with us.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So any other final thoughts before we exit?
No, not for me either.
All right.
Well, josh, thanks for sharingyour wisdom today and, you know,
for those listening, if thisepisode, if this episode,
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Go to do our things nationcom.
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So, until then, keep breathing,keep pushing, keep doing hard
(55:25):
things.
We'll see you in the nextepisode, I hope.
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