February 19, 2024 • 36 mins
In this episode we dive into the mental marathon of long-distance running. Whether you're training for a half-marathon, marathon, or ultramarathon, maintaining mental motivation is just as crucial as physical preparation. We'll explore effective strategies to keep your mind engaged and motivated mile after mile. We also dive into the "Bannister Effect", and discuss how breaking the four-minute mile not only shattered physical barriers but also transformed the mindset of runners worldwide, proving the power of belief in achieving the seemingly impossible. Whether you're hitting a wall at mile 20 or just struggling to lace up for a morning run, this episode is your mental toolkit for pushing through and redefining your limit.
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
All right, Good morning everybody.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Do Our Things podcast.
I'm JT running coach, highperformance mindset coach, and
today, you know, like everyother episode, we are here to
empower you to upgrade your lifethrough mindset and movement.
Angie, how are you doing thismorning?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm super tired, but I'm here, yay.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You had a late night last night, didn't you?
I did, what were you doing upon a school night?
On a school night, what was theschool of?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
my coach.
Presidents' Day yeah, yeah, onPresidents' Day night I was in
Columbia with the Derby team andwe were scrimmaging Como
Groller Derby and it was a lotof fun and it was worth it,
totally worth it, but I'mdefinitely dragging Booty this
morning.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So tired.
It was those.
You don't have to work today soyou can go get a nap.
After this, go recover, getsome more miles in.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's the plan.
That is the plan.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, today our episode is called Mind Over Mile
Staying Motivated on the LongRun, and we're going to talk
about the mental aspects of longdistance running.
I'm going to share with youbecause my own brush with it
over the weekend ran 18 miles.
I didn't want to do it, I wasjust like I, just it was.
It was brutal, it was 18degrees, ran 18 miles.
(01:59):
It was freaking hard.
So, whether you're training,you know for your first, like 5K
, 10k, half marathon, marathon,ultra marathon, whatever,
whatever it is, mentalmotivation is just as crucial as
physical preparation, and we'regoing to talk about some
strategies to help keep yourmind engaged and motivated so
you can push through and totallybelieve that what you do in
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So Saturday morning, there I was.
It's 18 degrees outside, I'mfreezing my ass off.
It's cold, it's dark, it'smiserable.
And we're on for 18 milestraining for our Rock and Roll
Half Marathon and I just kind ofgoing into this thing was just
really kind of dreading it andit was cold.
(04:28):
This is Lacey's first marathontraining event and I think I've
just a little, maybe a littlefatigued from all the miles
because I'm also doing somecycling preparing for this
adventure race.
But it was cold.
We've been had like this bipolarweather here in the Midwest and
it's been like it was like 60degrees early in the week and
(04:48):
then it snowed and then like itwas 18 degrees on Saturday
morning.
But I knew it was going to be60 degrees on Sunday.
Yeah, I'm like hey, lacey, wedon't have to run this on
Saturday, we can wait tilltomorrow.
She's like I'm already, wealready have the group meet up,
you know, and we're all likementally committed.
It's like, okay, we showed upand we got there First five
(05:10):
miles.
We're okay, I mean it was coldicy patches.
We had to kind of run on theroad and sidewalks kind of slip,
slip, slick, and then I don'tknow, after that, after after
the six mile mark, I really gotlike I just don't, didn't want
to be here, like I just want togo, I want to go get coffee, I'm
gonna go back to bed and ittook me everything I had
(05:32):
mentally to get through thisgrind of a run and I enjoy
running, but it was such amental grinder and I still had,
like you know, two hours to goand it was just one foot in
front of the other.
Have you ever experiencedanything like that?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, Absolutely training for the ultra Palooza
50 K it.
Just, there are so many daysyou get up and you get out there
and you know, even on the bestprepared days, sometimes when
you get to mile 14, 12, 16, Imean it's just, you really have
(06:15):
to, you really have to pull outthose mental, mental mind tricks
to keep yourself going and keepyourself on track.
But yes, yes, I've been there.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and it ultra blues.
That's a King Kansas right.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, also, what told me?
I don't even know how to say it, right, but yes that's in the
summer.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right, that's what makes that one.
Yeah, that's freaking hot.
Right, it is yes.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, it is yes, Missouri and September.
Oh yeah, it's hot.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Why in the hell do you do that to yourself?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Why do we do that to ourselves?
That's why we're here right now.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
No, that's, that's the thing.
It's like that's, that's one ofthe thoughts that creep into my
head.
Well, that's like, why in thehell am I doing this to myself?
Well, I don't have to be outhere.
You could see the perplexedlook on the drivers passing us,
like who are these people?
Why are they doing this?
And but yeah, it happens, ithappens even to.
(07:19):
We're motivated to do this andit can become such a slog.
So I just want to kind of talkabout, like all of the, all of
the tricks that I had to pullout of my back pocket to Get
through this run, and I justwant you, the listener, to know
that you're not alone.
Yeah, when thinking about, likeman, I just really don't want
to do it.
But how can I?
How can I push through?
So what kind of ping-pong backand forth between Angie and I
(07:41):
and what are some of the tricksthat we use to get through a Run
like this?
So the first thing that I didthis is 18 miles and we were at
a fleet feet group run.
We had a six o'clock start andthere's a group that meets up at
seven.
So in my mind, I just kind ofbroke it down into like each one
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of these little legs are goingto be individual runs and so the
first leg was like just overfive miles.
The second one was around sixmiles.
Then we did another I think itwas another six mile loop.
So basically we had three 10K's kind of essentially what it
was and that really helpedbreaking it down.
(08:23):
Like I just got to get throughthis individual leg.
Now I'll be back in my car, Ican reset with some food and
fuel for a second and then justjust I can do another 10 K and
that's just like Throughout theweek.
That's typically what I run isprobably somewhere between a 5k
and a 10 K.
So just look at it as like anIndividual run, so breaking it
down into manageable segmentsand then, even on those runs,
(08:47):
breaking it down to a 1k or aone mile.
Like I look at the horizon, I'mlike, okay, I'm just gonna get
to that, pull on top of the hillup there and then maybe I'll
get a sip of water or maybe I'llat that point I'll turn on some
tunes or something or it incelebrate the small victories,
(09:07):
like, okay, I'm half, I'mhalfway through this individual
run, I just got to get throughthe next part and just kind of
breaking it down and my mindseems to help.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, do you use that methodology?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I've used thatfrom the beginning.
I have chunked my miles, chunkthem, chunk them, chunk them.
For me, what works best is a 5kdistance, because that is an
that's my easy distance, likethat's my super easy distance,
and so I break all my long runsdown into 5k.
(09:38):
So yesterday we ran a 10k so itwas two 5k's in my mind.
Um, just that's that's what hasworked for me.
I think everyone needs to findtheir what is their easy
distance to, to chunk their,their miles down into and focus
on that, because that isabsolutely Always part of my oh
(09:59):
well, I've got two more fivecase, or I've got three more
five case, or I've got four morefive case, and but I just count
them down.
All right, that's four, that'sthree, there's oh yeah, five
case, nothing, and that's reallyjust it.
That mode, the part of keepingme motivated to keep going and
not Put my thumb out and hityour ride home In the middle or
a long run.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah so.
So breaking it down is man, ithelps out significantly.
There's been times that I'vestopped my watch and restarted
it just to give my own self thatmental piece of like, okay, I'm
just doing a little five casehere to get through this thing.
Yeah, whatever you got to do,whatever it takes, and so I
think it's a great tactic.
So, yeah, set micro goals andit's okay to walk.
(10:41):
Like there were segments onthis thing that I had to walk
and I Did the telephone polegame where you, like you, you
walk a telephone pole from onepole to the next and then you
run to the next One and youmight do that for a set distance
.
Then, like, at that point I'mgonna start running again.
So, whatever you got to do totrick your mind, it's all about,
you know, tricking your mindand into doing whatever is
necessary to get through it.
But take little snack walks.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean it doesn't have to be a phone pole, it
could be.
I've got a bag of crackers andI'm gonna eat a cracker, yeah,
walk.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I'm gonna smash this peanut butter sandwich.
It's in my pocket.
Yeah, I don't care.
Yeah, I did that at one of thestops.
Like I got there, they werewaiting on me.
I'm like I'm gonna enjoy mylittle sandwich here.
They took off running.
I'm like I'm not, I'm notrunning till I.
I'm gonna enjoy this thing thatI run in again.
So, so, set micro goals.
(11:30):
That's strategy number one.
Next one positive self-talk.
This is just positiveaffirmations.
I mean this is just you know,whatever your mantra is.
I mean, obviously around herewe say I do hard things and for
a lot of people they've adoptedthat, like I can do hard things,
this is good for me, I leaninto it, I can do this, I, I've
overcome challenge before what?
(11:52):
Whatever your mantra is, like Ido hard shit, I'm a badass.
Whatever it takes for you, youjust kind of got to tap into
that superpower as a reminder.
Like I got this, like I Gotthis.
But you don't want to developthis mantra on the fly like you
got, you got to empower yourselfbefore you get into this thing
and it should be like an ongoingthing.
So, whatever that is for you,obviously you can, you can adopt
(12:15):
, do hard things if you want, Ican do hard things.
We do hard things, whateverthat is, but it's absolutely
true and those positiveaffirmations and are really,
really incredibly powerful andit just reminds you of who you
are, that the badass superheroinside of you.
You got that.
Do you have any mantras asidefrom do hard things that you use
(12:35):
, angie?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, my body can do like my.
This is what I can do.
I, I focus.
I'm just so thankful and in aweof what our bodies can do and so
if you've never been athleticand you know, if I'm speaking
now to people that maybe havebeen athletic, often on their
whole life, and it just has comenaturally there's a lot of us
(12:58):
that have not like we came fromnot being athletic, we came
literally couch potato to nowwhat we're doing, and so for me,
I just I just sit right backinto that.
Oh my god, I can't believe whatI'm capable of.
I can't believe what we arecapable of.
I can't believe how, how far wecan go, and it's always, unless
(13:18):
you have an injury, it is mindover Everything else, because
your body is capable of so muchmore than you give yourself
credit for, and you usually stopBefore you should, and so I
just remind myself of how strongI am, how fucking amazing I.
I'm trying not to care, butyeah, I mean, I just pumped
(13:40):
myself up.
I am my biggest cheerleader inmy brain.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, I.
Another thing that I've learnedto use I got this from Lacey is
I get to do this.
I don't have to do this.
Yeah, I get to do this.
And it's just a reminder of Imean, there are people out there
that would give anything tohave the body that I have and
that they are limited from somecapability and that this is a
(14:05):
gift from God that I still getto do this Mm-hmm, and it's just
.
It's just a mental switch thatyou know what I?
I get to do this.
This is an amazing gift fromGod and to use it and you can't
convince me otherwise but humanswere designed.
We are the ultimate enduranceathlete.
We were designed to do longdistance running, cycling,
(14:25):
whatever yeah, part of ourbiology and it's it's just part
of it.
Yeah, so yeah, but positiveself-talk, whatever that is for
you.
Practice that absolutelyVisualizing success.
Spend time visualizing the runbefore you start.
Now.
This is where I probably havefallen short when it comes to
(14:46):
training, because I'll do thisfor races and it's very, very
powerful, but I didn't do thaton my run this weekend and I
probably should spend some timedoing that.
But just going through avisualization exercise from
start to finish of what your runwould look like.
Visualization helps you build amental framework.
It helps you, like, prepare forthe proverbial wall right and
(15:08):
how to break through that.
What are some things that youcould kind of prepare for that
you some obstacles that youmight find in the way, and
Visualization is incredibly,incredibly powerful.
Pro athletes do this all thetime.
There have been countlessstudies that show that
visualization works.
I know it's definitely helpedme with with races.
I just forget to do it on mylong run.
(15:31):
I take it for granted, but IDid not visualize.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I did not.
I'm not visualizing going outin 18 degree weather and what
that race is gonna look like.
I've visualized it myself,dressing right in all the right
layers and being prepared forthe run While I'm out there and
being comfortable while I'mrunning.
That is my visual aidsVisualization.
That was my visualization.
And 80 degrees this thisweekend.
I was just like, yep, nope, I'mnot even gonna think about the
(15:57):
trail.
I'm not gonna think aboutanything but preparing, being
well prepared and beingcomfortable and enjoying myself.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That is my visualization visualize that
that coffee when you're done.
But visualization is incrediblyincredible, so could.
I recommend that enough.
Yeah, focus on your.
Why?
Just remember why you startedlike, why the hell are you, I
heard in the first place?
You know, the big motivator forus is we.
We are gonna go to rock androll Nashville and we want to
(16:25):
have a good time and we want towant to run the thing like we
want to.
We want to.
You know it's Lacey's firstmarathon and we want to run,
have a good time and not make itlike so.
I've run marathons before youcan go off the couch, run a
marathon and complete it.
I've done that before.
Yeah, it's miserable, it'shorrible.
I get you're gonna want to belike.
(16:46):
You know we want to.
I want to be able to walk awayfrom the marathon and go have a
good time that night.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, right so it's like remembering.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You know, why are we putting in the training miles
now when we don't absolutelyhave to?
You know we're not going thereto win it.
But a win for us is, you know,a good, solid time.
We want to start and finish itand feel good when we're done.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And and so that's that's, that's a why.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Dude I'm.
There's such a huge differencein running and and being really
prepared and training reallywell and and building up your
endurance and Feeling tired.
You know you have to recoverright.
There's a difference betweenthat and feeling like you got
hit by a Mack truck and youdon't want to move for like
three days.
And so when people experienceboth and they're like, yeah, so
(17:33):
the the whole training thing,yeah, that's that feels so much
better.
That is such a highermotivation to get out there and
get those training miles in andbe fully prepared, and Just
because when you feel that goodafterward it's the best feeling
in the world.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, it's been amazing because I've worked with
a lot of runners in runningcoaching where they they've
never really worked with a coachbefore and and they did they
walked away from a half marathonor a marathon feeling like they
got hit by a bus.
Then I took them through atraining cycle and they're like
holy shit, I didn't know I couldfeel this good after a run and
that's that's.
That's the.
(18:10):
That's the argument for fortraining, and the interesting
thing is it the training doesn't.
It's just the right amount ofdistance with the right pacing
tempo.
It's not that difficult.
Like with proper training, itmakes your training even easier.
So could not recommend that.
I know it's a shameless plugfor for my own running coaching,
but find a coach, if not me.
(18:31):
Find somebody To work with ifyou've never worked with one,
and see what difference thatwould make, because it does make
a huge difference.
But yeah, anyway, focused onyour why, remember why you
started, and that was that wasour, why we.
You know we are willing tobrave the 18 degree of weather
because it's part of ourtraining.
We're committed to the cycle,so All right.
(18:53):
Next one just practicemindfulness, stay present, stay
focused on the moment, payattention to your breathing, you
know, pay attention to thescenery around you.
Mindfulness can help your mindfrom wandering into dark
thoughts or feelings of fatigue.
I had a moment where Lacey cameup to me and I'm like I and I
kind of broke away from thecrowd.
I'm like I need a little bit oftime to myself.
At the moment I'm not having agood time.
(19:15):
I'm going to get present withmyself Because I'm just angry
for having to be here right nowand I'm like I need to change my
attitude and I need some peaceto do that.
And that's what I did.
She ran off and I'm like okay,I get to do this.
I do hard things.
This is painful, but I'm better, for I kind of went through the
whole mantra.
But that's the mindfulness.
(19:36):
Right, it's not a not a prettyprocess.
Mindfulness sounds beautifuland woo woo.
It's a messy process.
You have to take yourself froma Negative space where you might
be cussing at the world orhaving some a tough conversation
with Jesus, and bring yourselfback to center, and it's not
always the most pleasant thing,like I need at that moment.
(19:56):
I was kind of a Punk-ass bitchat the moment and I had to
rewrite right myself.
Sorry, linkedin, why you kickedoff that's.
You know.
I had to get my mind rightbecause that's where I was.
I was like I was in a darkspace.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, so that's it.
That's mindfulness.
Gratitude really helps withthat, guys.
Gratitude, just being thankfulthat you're in, that you're out
there doing the hard thing,you're enduring the suck, that
you're training, that your bodyhurts and your lungs might hurt
if it's, you know, negative onemillion out there and you know
(20:30):
maybe just ain't enough sleep.
But just sitting in thatgratitude and feeling that
gratitude and looking aroundlike holy crap, I'm out here,
you know, I mean it, just it.
That goes such a long way.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, the gratitude bit.
When you're in deep gratitudeyou can't help but be in a
positive space.
So, mm-hmm, it just might takea minute to get there, because
it's where I was.
I was like man, I was out ofgratitude, I had to get myself
back in alignment and Idefinitely helped, took about a
mile, but I got back in there.
I All right, embrace discomfort.
You know discomfort is part oflong-distance running as part of
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the lifestyle.
Accepting it rather thanfighting it can reduce the
mental burden because it'salways exciting to get up and
get moving.
That first mile it's always,you know well after the first
mile, usually that first miles alittle tough.
But once you get in the groupfeels good and then realize at
some point it's gonna start tohurt and Just embracing that as
part of the process, beingcomfortable with being come,
just being comfortable withdiscomfort and just realize that
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this is temporary and and whenit gets tough that you know you
kind of maybe distract yourselfwith some music or you know a
conversation with your friends,but whatever mental game you got
to play, but just realize thatyeah, it hurts, it's designed to
hurt, it's going to hurt, evenin a marathon, like even if
you're properly trained, likethe the, the last six miles Once
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you you're gonna hit the wall.
The last six miles are alwayspainful and it's okay, it's part
of it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But yeah, yeah for sure.
And I think being prepared isbecause, yeah, like Jay said,
you're gonna be uncomfortablewhen you're out there on these
long runs and it's not gonna behappy, happy, happy, happy all
the time.
But if you are prepared, thatis one thing that has, I know,
100 million percent.
(22:16):
That has gotten me through.
I've.
Have I chafed?
Yes, I've chafed, but minimally, like I don't chafe a lot
because I prepare.
I prepare with different chafing, anti chafing Products that
work for me and I make sure, youknow, even like on a six mile
run, I'm like, oh, let me, letme break this out Because I
don't want to chafe blisters.
(22:37):
I know, I know what socks towear and For the miles, I know
what shoes to wear for the milesand I have very minimal
blistering.
You know I have.
I've figured out how to fueland how to hydrate.
Yes, you need to fuel on longruns your body, or or maybe you
don't, but you have to figurethese things out and then put
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them, work them into the processbecause you know you're gonna
be uncomfortable.
But be as comfortable in theuncomfortable by being prepared,
like I live and die by that.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Absolutely and get the, get the right gear.
Experiment with gear like Idon't want to spend the money on
, but, tony, nice, nice clothes,nice shoes, nice socks, they
last a long time, they, theymake everything more comfortable
.
This is the funny thing,because I like to camp and
people like I can't camp or Ijust so miserable, it's because
you don't have the rightequipment.
Like if you had a nice sleepingbag and it was more comfortable
(23:30):
, I bet you would absolutelylove it.
But when you're using Equipmentand tools that there you know,
they just make it more difficult.
It's not going to be as fun.
So, yeah, don't, don't?
You know?
It's all about experimentationand and trying to learn, and
it's little things that make allthe difference in the world.
Yes, yeah, run with a grouperpartner.
(23:54):
Obviously, you know havingsuffering with a group is always
better than doing it alone.
I, I think you know having asocial support and
accountability is huge.
So having a running partner, agroup, whether in person or even
virtually, you know it helpsyou share the workload, makes
the miles more enjoyable andmakes you realize that you're
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not alone out there, and sothat's that's always useful.
And you know that's what we'redoing.
I have to do our things nationcreating a community of
like-minded people getting afterit.
But I think that's important.
So yes definitely helpful.
And then, reflecting on pastsuccesses, the more that you do
this, the more that you've hadthese moments where things
(24:34):
didn't, you weren't having thebest of time at the moment, but
you got it done.
Anyway, you can always reflecton it, like you know what I've
done this before.
I can do this again, you know,I it's just just my mindset at
the moment.
I just need to overcome it andyou can.
You can draw on those pastmemories to give you strength in
the current moment when you'refacing difficulty.
(24:55):
And I think that transcendsjust everyday life.
Right, I can do hard things,have done hard things before.
I am confident in my ability, Ican push through.
I think that's that Definitelymakes a difference.
And the more that you getcomfortable being uncomfortable,
the easier it gets.
Yes, yeah, hence why you got a.
You know you got to push.
You got push the envelope onwhat that is for your life.
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Yeah, absolutely.
And that leads me into thebanister effect and in mindset
when it comes to that.
So I got a little story for you, okay.
So running a four-minute mile,it just can't be done.
It's impossible.
People have tried and failedbefore.
The body just can't handle it.
He's risking his health.
What a waste of time.
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It's a fool's errand like these.
These are some of thestatements that were that were
made when naysayers of Robertbanister was attempting to run a
sub four-minute mile, and Insports there are some
established records that becomewhat is perceived as an
Instrumental barrier, and in theworld of running, it was the
sub four-minute mile that wasconsidered the Mount Everest of
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athletic achievement, and forover 70 years runners had been
diligently trying to break thefour-minute mile barrier, and it
was finally broken May 6th 1954, but up until that time, the
fastest recorded time was fourminutes.
One second point four, andRunners from around the world I
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mean it was like it was likenewsworthy they were attempting
over and over and over again.
Loud, large crowds would gatherto see people try to to break
this record attempt, but itcouldn't.
It could not be done.
Sir Roger banister, he was amedical student and he was a
middle distance runner fromBritain, and the key, though, as
they analyzed him and hismethodology compared to the
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others, was that he trulybelieved that he could do it,
and he approached it with agrowth mindset.
He'd not only focused on thebody but his mindset.
He had a demanding medicalschool schedule.
So he had to think outside thebox and how he could get his
training done.
And he and he ultimately, to dothis, adopted an unusual
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training plan when he wouldcombine interval training which
was new, and that's what wetrain today and Visualization.
He would visualize and spendtime Just mentally preparing and
seeing himself accomplish this.
This was different from all ofthe other runners and on May 6th
it was a overcast day 1554, heproved the world that it could
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be done and he smoked it with a359, 0.4, so two seconds faster.
It was during unfavorablerunning conditions, was windy
that day, and He'd done what waswhat Experts thought were
absolutely impossible.
Now here's the unique thing.
This is where the term banistereffect comes from.
Just 46 days after banister'srecord, an Australian Runner by
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the name of John Landy ran themile in 357, so like, almost
like a second and a half faster,mm-hmm.
And then, in less than a year,three more runners broke the
record.
So so what happened?
70 years, all these runners weretrying to, you know, go for it,
and they couldn't break it.
Now, all of a sudden, like thefloodgate was open.
So what happened?
It?
Did humans evolve suddenlyphysically?
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Was there some type oftechnological breakthrough in
running shoes or socks?
No, it was the mindset of whatrunners perceived this barrier
to be.
Runners up until this pointwere held back by the mindset
that they couldn't do it, mm-hmm.
And then, when the record wasbroken, it shattered that
limiting belief and the possiblewas now possible, and the
current time for the one milerun is 343 340.
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Wow, even it's, that is in.
Yeah, so in 17 seconds, fasterthan you know what this
insurmountable, you know Timewas.
For the longest time, there wasa woman indoor track record, I
think.
Over the weekend broken indoortracks a little bit slower
because of the, the tightcorners I think 416 for females
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over, which is super, super fast.
Yeah, so the banister effect isthe term used when someone
breaks through a barrier thatwas previously thought to be
impossible.
So this is outside of running.
This has become like a coinwhen something thought to be
impossible becomes possible andit leads people to believe into
a new possibility.
And so we all have assumptionsabout our own capabilities, our
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own limitations, and we need tobe able to break through that.
We need to identify, you know,what is that four-minute mile in
our life, and how can weshatter that limitation in our
own life?
And so I just want you to thinkabout In your own life, when
you pushed beyond your ownlimits, your own limiting
beliefs, and and achievedsomething that you thought was
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impossible, and what did youlearn from that experience?
Have you had anything, angie,that you thought was impossible
in your life?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Oh, hell, yeah.
I thought, man, if you want toask me if People regularly ran
hundred milers or 50 K's or 50milers, six, seven years ago, I
would have been like, no, peopledon't do that.
No.
And then here I am, I'm out.
I mean, I will never forget theday that I went out for a 14
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mile training run and ran 36miles because of the people that
I was with, I mean that therewas no.
I was like you guys are there,like you're gonna end up running
at least a marathon today, andI'm like you guys are shut up,
there's no way.
But the more you're around itand you see it and you're like,
wait a minute.
You know, we know people thatregularly run 50 milers and 100
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milers, because that theirmindset is that they can do it,
and so absolutely, yes, 100%.
When it's a normal thing to say, oh, how far are you gonna go
run today?
I don't know, I'm gonna go run15 miles today.
I'm gonna go run 10 miles today, like that's, that's normal in
our, in our friend group, youknow, and it's just crazy, it's
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crazy, yeah, what, what?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It sounds.
It sounds insane to drive 100miles.
I got about to get off thepodcast.
Go drive 100 miles.
It's a long way to drive littleown to run, yes, and it
transcends, you know, into yourpersonal life, like there's a
lot of races and things thatI've done.
I mean my whole growth mindsetjourney started with running and
but that bled over to mypersonal life.
You know, I never thought thatI could be a father of triplet
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daughters.
You know, I didn't think Iwould ever be a father.
I didn't think that I came fromnothing.
You know, going to college andearning a bachelor degree, I
didn't think that that waspossible.
Then that led me to oh my gosh,a master's degree.
I don't think I can do this andI did it.
And I not only did it once butdid it twice In my career.
You know, becoming an officer,that wasn't, that wasn't in the
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cards for the likes of me andwhere I came from and I did it.
I did it well.
And so, time after time aftertime, there were things in my
life outside of just runningthat I thought were impossible,
that but I was able to leveragethose other impossibilities in
my life.
I had banister effect in mylife and I'm like you know what.
I think I can do this if I, ifI apply these principles hard
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work, showing up dedication,getting a coach and a mentor,
getting the right communityaround me.
Like I feel like I'm prettyfreaking, unstoppable, right
yeah, and my current four-minutemile is this expedition race.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm scared.
The expedition O's are coming.
I'm scared, but I'm using allof the tools at my disposal.
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We're leveraging a community.
I've got a partner, I've got abunch of people clapping when I
win and supporting me.
I'm getting all the gear andequipment and that's my current
four-minute mile that I'mworking for, trying to finish
this race.
So I think everyone has that.
What is that in your life?
You just realize that you'reonly limited by your own mindset
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and you can shatter it.
That's it damn.
You can shatter it.
Well, it's 632.
632.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Alrighty alright.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
We gotta pull up my screen here.
We got our weekly winner andthen alright, so our weekly
winner is gonna be a little bitunusual because I don't have
full-blown photos.
I'm gonna share with you aFacebook page because Ray is
primarily on TikTok.
Ray Dijkstra, your weeklywinner.
And is that working?
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There we go, boom.
Alright.
Ray Dijkstra, whom is righthere?
Look at that.
Look at that handsome devilwith a frowny face.
Ray, you gotta update yourprofile photo.
Dude, you look angry.
He's actually the nicest guy inthe world.
He shaved off his beard overthe weekend.
He's been doing a bigfundraiser.
He founded the America FirstProject and he's building tiny
homes for veterans and he hasbeen working diligently.
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He's his big footprint is onFacebook but he has been working
diligently on doing fundraisingto build tiny homes.
He's buying some land up inSouth Dakota and he's auctioning
off a bunch of.
He's got people donating likewoodworking.
He's got people donatingvehicles, all sorts of stuff to
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get this project of making, youknow, providing housing for
homeless veterans and he's beenworking so hard on.
He's constantly going live onhis TikTok, just spreading the
word on his mission, and he'ssuch a just a kind giving person
.
He did a battle the other nightwhere people were gifting and
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he lost the battle but theyraised a bunch of money.
But he shaved off his beard onTikTok just as a way to raise
funds and I just appreciate hisheart and what he's doing in his
journey.
So, ray, for just being a rolemodel for other people and being
selfless, we're gonna send youa do hard things shirt for just
kicking ass and appreciate whatyou're doing.
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But these are some of thewoodworking that the people are
donating and all the money thathe's raising behind the scenes
that make this happen.
So, ray, we appreciate you.
That's awesome.
Yeah, so well, that's it.
That's all I got for today.
It is Monday.
It is Monday.
Go buy yourself a nice mattress, if you want, because they're
(35:06):
all on sale.
Yeah, I am gonna go spend theday.
I'm gonna take my daughter to ablues game.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Right on, I am gonna spend the day this morning.
At some point we're gonna gorun, I'm gonna hang out with my
better half and our little furrycompanion, our little old dog,
and then tonight we've gotroller derby practice.
So more roller derby, yeah.
So I'm excited.
So today's gonna be a great day.
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Go out and smile.
Don't forget to make someoneelse smile.
Make yourself smile first andmake someone else smile.
Put a smile on somebody's face.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Make the day count because you can.
Yeah, you can.
So we appreciate y'all and yeah, we will see you all in the
next episode.
Keep kicking ass, all right,thanks.
All right, Good morning everybody.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Do Our Things podcast.
I'm JT running coach, highperformance mindset coach, and
today, you know, like everyother episode, we are here to
empower you to upgrade your lifethrough mindset and movement.
Angie, how are you doing thismorning?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm super tired, but I'm here, yay.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You had a late night last night, didn't you?
I did, what were you doing upon a school night?
On a school night, what was theschool of?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
my coach.
Presidents' Day yeah, yeah, onPresidents' Day night I was in
Columbia with the Derby team andwe were scrimmaging Como
Groller Derby and it was a lotof fun and it was worth it,
totally worth it, but I'mdefinitely dragging Booty this
morning.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So tired.
It was those.
You don't have to work today soyou can go get a nap.
After this, go recover, getsome more miles in.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's the plan.
That is the plan.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, today our episode is called Mind Over Mile
Staying Motivated on the LongRun, and we're going to talk
about the mental aspects of longdistance running.
I'm going to share with youbecause my own brush with it
over the weekend ran 18 miles.
I didn't want to do it, I wasjust like I, just it was.
It was brutal, it was 18degrees, ran 18 miles.
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It was freaking hard.
So, whether you're training,you know for your first, like 5K
, 10k, half marathon, marathon,ultra marathon, whatever,
whatever it is, mentalmotivation is just as crucial as
physical preparation, and we'regoing to talk about some
strategies to help keep yourmind engaged and motivated so
you can push through and totallybelieve that what you do in
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So this is pretty crucial.
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So Saturday morning, there I was.
It's 18 degrees outside, I'mfreezing my ass off.
It's cold, it's dark, it'smiserable.
And we're on for 18 milestraining for our Rock and Roll
Half Marathon and I just kind ofgoing into this thing was just
really kind of dreading it andit was cold.
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This is Lacey's first marathontraining event and I think I've
just a little, maybe a littlefatigued from all the miles
because I'm also doing somecycling preparing for this
adventure race.
But it was cold.
We've been had like this bipolarweather here in the Midwest and
it's been like it was like 60degrees early in the week and
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then it snowed and then like itwas 18 degrees on Saturday
morning.
But I knew it was going to be60 degrees on Sunday.
Yeah, I'm like hey, lacey, wedon't have to run this on
Saturday, we can wait tilltomorrow.
She's like I'm already, wealready have the group meet up,
you know, and we're all likementally committed.
It's like, okay, we showed upand we got there First five
(05:10):
miles.
We're okay, I mean it was coldicy patches.
We had to kind of run on theroad and sidewalks kind of slip,
slip, slick, and then I don'tknow, after that, after after
the six mile mark, I really gotlike I just don't, didn't want
to be here, like I just want togo, I want to go get coffee, I'm
gonna go back to bed and ittook me everything I had
(05:32):
mentally to get through thisgrind of a run and I enjoy
running, but it was such amental grinder and I still had,
like you know, two hours to goand it was just one foot in
front of the other.
Have you ever experiencedanything like that?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, Absolutely training for the ultra Palooza
50 K it.
Just, there are so many daysyou get up and you get out there
and you know, even on the bestprepared days, sometimes when
you get to mile 14, 12, 16, Imean it's just, you really have
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to, you really have to pull outthose mental, mental mind tricks
to keep yourself going and keepyourself on track.
But yes, yes, I've been there.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and it ultra blues.
That's a King Kansas right.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, also, what told me?
I don't even know how to say it, right, but yes that's in the
summer.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right, that's what makes that one.
Yeah, that's freaking hot.
Right, it is yes.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, it is yes, Missouri and September.
Oh yeah, it's hot.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Why in the hell do you do that to yourself?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Why do we do that to ourselves?
That's why we're here right now.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
No, that's, that's the thing.
It's like that's, that's one ofthe thoughts that creep into my
head.
Well, that's like, why in thehell am I doing this to myself?
Well, I don't have to be outhere.
You could see the perplexedlook on the drivers passing us,
like who are these people?
Why are they doing this?
And but yeah, it happens, ithappens even to.
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We're motivated to do this andit can become such a slog.
So I just want to kind of talkabout, like all of the, all of
the tricks that I had to pullout of my back pocket to Get
through this run, and I justwant you, the listener, to know
that you're not alone.
Yeah, when thinking about, likeman, I just really don't want
to do it.
But how can I?
How can I push through?
So what kind of ping-pong backand forth between Angie and I
(07:41):
and what are some of the tricksthat we use to get through a Run
like this?
So the first thing that I didthis is 18 miles and we were at
a fleet feet group run.
We had a six o'clock start andthere's a group that meets up at
seven.
So in my mind, I just kind ofbroke it down into like each one
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of these little legs are goingto be individual runs and so the
first leg was like just overfive miles.
The second one was around sixmiles.
Then we did another I think itwas another six mile loop.
So basically we had three 10K's kind of essentially what it
was and that really helpedbreaking it down.
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Like I just got to get throughthis individual leg.
Now I'll be back in my car, Ican reset with some food and
fuel for a second and then justjust I can do another 10 K and
that's just like Throughout theweek.
That's typically what I run isprobably somewhere between a 5k
and a 10 K.
So just look at it as like anIndividual run, so breaking it
down into manageable segmentsand then, even on those runs,
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breaking it down to a 1k or aone mile.
Like I look at the horizon, I'mlike, okay, I'm just gonna get
to that, pull on top of the hillup there and then maybe I'll
get a sip of water or maybe I'llat that point I'll turn on some
tunes or something or it incelebrate the small victories,
(09:07):
like, okay, I'm half, I'mhalfway through this individual
run, I just got to get throughthe next part and just kind of
breaking it down and my mindseems to help.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, do you use that methodology?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I've used thatfrom the beginning.
I have chunked my miles, chunkthem, chunk them, chunk them.
For me, what works best is a 5kdistance, because that is an
that's my easy distance, likethat's my super easy distance,
and so I break all my long runsdown into 5k.
(09:38):
So yesterday we ran a 10k so itwas two 5k's in my mind.
Um, just that's that's what hasworked for me.
I think everyone needs to findtheir what is their easy
distance to, to chunk their,their miles down into and focus
on that, because that isabsolutely Always part of my oh
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well, I've got two more fivecase, or I've got three more
five case, or I've got four morefive case, and but I just count
them down.
All right, that's four, that'sthree, there's oh yeah, five
case, nothing, and that's reallyjust it.
That mode, the part of keepingme motivated to keep going and
not Put my thumb out and hityour ride home In the middle or
a long run.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah so.
So breaking it down is man, ithelps out significantly.
There's been times that I'vestopped my watch and restarted
it just to give my own self thatmental piece of like, okay, I'm
just doing a little five casehere to get through this thing.
Yeah, whatever you got to do,whatever it takes, and so I
think it's a great tactic.
So, yeah, set micro goals andit's okay to walk.
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Like there were segments onthis thing that I had to walk
and I Did the telephone polegame where you, like you, you
walk a telephone pole from onepole to the next and then you
run to the next One and youmight do that for a set distance
.
Then, like, at that point I'mgonna start running again.
So, whatever you got to do totrick your mind, it's all about,
you know, tricking your mindand into doing whatever is
necessary to get through it.
But take little snack walks.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean it doesn't have to be a phone pole, it
could be.
I've got a bag of crackers andI'm gonna eat a cracker, yeah,
walk.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I'm gonna smash this peanut butter sandwich.
It's in my pocket.
Yeah, I don't care.
Yeah, I did that at one of thestops.
Like I got there, they werewaiting on me.
I'm like I'm gonna enjoy mylittle sandwich here.
They took off running.
I'm like I'm not, I'm notrunning till I.
I'm gonna enjoy this thing thatI run in again.
So, so, set micro goals.
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That's strategy number one.
Next one positive self-talk.
This is just positiveaffirmations.
I mean this is just you know,whatever your mantra is.
I mean, obviously around herewe say I do hard things and for
a lot of people they've adoptedthat, like I can do hard things,
this is good for me, I leaninto it, I can do this, I, I've
overcome challenge before what?
(11:52):
Whatever your mantra is, like Ido hard shit, I'm a badass.
Whatever it takes for you, youjust kind of got to tap into
that superpower as a reminder.
Like I got this, like I Gotthis.
But you don't want to developthis mantra on the fly like you
got, you got to empower yourselfbefore you get into this thing
and it should be like an ongoingthing.
So, whatever that is for you,obviously you can, you can adopt
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, do hard things if you want, Ican do hard things.
We do hard things, whateverthat is, but it's absolutely
true and those positiveaffirmations and are really,
really incredibly powerful andit just reminds you of who you
are, that the badass superheroinside of you.
You got that.
Do you have any mantras asidefrom do hard things that you use
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, angie?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, my body can do like my.
This is what I can do.
I, I focus.
I'm just so thankful and in aweof what our bodies can do and so
if you've never been athleticand you know, if I'm speaking
now to people that maybe havebeen athletic, often on their
whole life, and it just has comenaturally there's a lot of us
(12:58):
that have not like we came fromnot being athletic, we came
literally couch potato to nowwhat we're doing, and so for me,
I just I just sit right backinto that.
Oh my god, I can't believe whatI'm capable of.
I can't believe what we arecapable of.
I can't believe how, how far wecan go, and it's always, unless
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you have an injury, it is mindover Everything else, because
your body is capable of so muchmore than you give yourself
credit for, and you usually stopBefore you should, and so I
just remind myself of how strongI am, how fucking amazing I.
I'm trying not to care, butyeah, I mean, I just pumped
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myself up.
I am my biggest cheerleader inmy brain.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, I.
Another thing that I've learnedto use I got this from Lacey is
I get to do this.
I don't have to do this.
Yeah, I get to do this.
And it's just a reminder of Imean, there are people out there
that would give anything tohave the body that I have and
that they are limited from somecapability and that this is a
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gift from God that I still getto do this Mm-hmm, and it's just
.
It's just a mental switch thatyou know what I?
I get to do this.
This is an amazing gift fromGod and to use it and you can't
convince me otherwise but humanswere designed.
We are the ultimate enduranceathlete.
We were designed to do longdistance running, cycling,
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whatever yeah, part of ourbiology and it's it's just part
of it.
Yeah, so yeah, but positiveself-talk, whatever that is for
you.
Practice that absolutelyVisualizing success.
Spend time visualizing the runbefore you start.
Now.
This is where I probably havefallen short when it comes to
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training, because I'll do thisfor races and it's very, very
powerful, but I didn't do thaton my run this weekend and I
probably should spend some timedoing that.
But just going through avisualization exercise from
start to finish of what your runwould look like.
Visualization helps you build amental framework.
It helps you, like, prepare forthe proverbial wall right and
(15:08):
how to break through that.
What are some things that youcould kind of prepare for that
you some obstacles that youmight find in the way, and
Visualization is incredibly,incredibly powerful.
Pro athletes do this all thetime.
There have been countlessstudies that show that
visualization works.
I know it's definitely helpedme with with races.
I just forget to do it on mylong run.
(15:31):
I take it for granted, but IDid not visualize.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I did not.
I'm not visualizing going outin 18 degree weather and what
that race is gonna look like.
I've visualized it myself,dressing right in all the right
layers and being prepared forthe run While I'm out there and
being comfortable while I'mrunning.
That is my visual aidsVisualization.
That was my visualization.
And 80 degrees this thisweekend.
I was just like, yep, nope, I'mnot even gonna think about the
(15:57):
trail.
I'm not gonna think aboutanything but preparing, being
well prepared and beingcomfortable and enjoying myself.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That is my visualization visualize that
that coffee when you're done.
But visualization is incrediblyincredible, so could.
I recommend that enough.
Yeah, focus on your.
Why?
Just remember why you startedlike, why the hell are you, I
heard in the first place?
You know, the big motivator forus is we.
We are gonna go to rock androll Nashville and we want to
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have a good time and we want towant to run the thing like we
want to.
We want to.
You know it's Lacey's firstmarathon and we want to run,
have a good time and not make itlike so.
I've run marathons before youcan go off the couch, run a
marathon and complete it.
I've done that before.
Yeah, it's miserable, it'shorrible.
I get you're gonna want to belike.
(16:46):
You know we want to.
I want to be able to walk awayfrom the marathon and go have a
good time that night.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, right so it's like remembering.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You know, why are we putting in the training miles
now when we don't absolutelyhave to?
You know we're not going thereto win it.
But a win for us is, you know,a good, solid time.
We want to start and finish itand feel good when we're done.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And and so that's that's, that's a why.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Dude I'm.
There's such a huge differencein running and and being really
prepared and training reallywell and and building up your
endurance and Feeling tired.
You know you have to recoverright.
There's a difference betweenthat and feeling like you got
hit by a Mack truck and youdon't want to move for like
three days.
And so when people experienceboth and they're like, yeah, so
(17:33):
the the whole training thing,yeah, that's that feels so much
better.
That is such a highermotivation to get out there and
get those training miles in andbe fully prepared, and Just
because when you feel that goodafterward it's the best feeling
in the world.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, it's been amazing because I've worked with
a lot of runners in runningcoaching where they they've
never really worked with a coachbefore and and they did they
walked away from a half marathonor a marathon feeling like they
got hit by a bus.
Then I took them through atraining cycle and they're like
holy shit, I didn't know I couldfeel this good after a run and
that's that's.
That's the.
(18:10):
That's the argument for fortraining, and the interesting
thing is it the training doesn't.
It's just the right amount ofdistance with the right pacing
tempo.
It's not that difficult.
Like with proper training, itmakes your training even easier.
So could not recommend that.
I know it's a shameless plugfor for my own running coaching,
but find a coach, if not me.
(18:31):
Find somebody To work with ifyou've never worked with one,
and see what difference thatwould make, because it does make
a huge difference.
But yeah, anyway, focused onyour why, remember why you
started, and that was that wasour, why we.
You know we are willing tobrave the 18 degree of weather
because it's part of ourtraining.
We're committed to the cycle,so All right.
(18:53):
Next one just practicemindfulness, stay present, stay
focused on the moment, payattention to your breathing, you
know, pay attention to thescenery around you.
Mindfulness can help your mindfrom wandering into dark
thoughts or feelings of fatigue.
I had a moment where Lacey cameup to me and I'm like I and I
kind of broke away from thecrowd.
I'm like I need a little bit oftime to myself.
At the moment I'm not having agood time.
(19:15):
I'm going to get present withmyself Because I'm just angry
for having to be here right nowand I'm like I need to change my
attitude and I need some peaceto do that.
And that's what I did.
She ran off and I'm like okay,I get to do this.
I do hard things.
This is painful, but I'm better, for I kind of went through the
whole mantra.
But that's the mindfulness.
(19:36):
Right, it's not a not a prettyprocess.
Mindfulness sounds beautifuland woo woo.
It's a messy process.
You have to take yourself froma Negative space where you might
be cussing at the world orhaving some a tough conversation
with Jesus, and bring yourselfback to center, and it's not
always the most pleasant thing,like I need at that moment.
(19:56):
I was kind of a Punk-ass bitchat the moment and I had to
rewrite right myself.
Sorry, linkedin, why you kickedoff that's.
You know.
I had to get my mind rightbecause that's where I was.
I was like I was in a darkspace.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, so that's it.
That's mindfulness.
Gratitude really helps withthat, guys.
Gratitude, just being thankfulthat you're in, that you're out
there doing the hard thing,you're enduring the suck, that
you're training, that your bodyhurts and your lungs might hurt
if it's, you know, negative onemillion out there and you know
(20:30):
maybe just ain't enough sleep.
But just sitting in thatgratitude and feeling that
gratitude and looking aroundlike holy crap, I'm out here,
you know, I mean it, just it.
That goes such a long way.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, the gratitude bit.
When you're in deep gratitudeyou can't help but be in a
positive space.
So, mm-hmm, it just might takea minute to get there, because
it's where I was.
I was like man, I was out ofgratitude, I had to get myself
back in alignment and Idefinitely helped, took about a
mile, but I got back in there.
I All right, embrace discomfort.
You know discomfort is part oflong-distance running as part of
(21:04):
the lifestyle.
Accepting it rather thanfighting it can reduce the
mental burden because it'salways exciting to get up and
get moving.
That first mile it's always,you know well after the first
mile, usually that first miles alittle tough.
But once you get in the groupfeels good and then realize at
some point it's gonna start tohurt and Just embracing that as
part of the process, beingcomfortable with being come,
just being comfortable withdiscomfort and just realize that
(21:28):
this is temporary and and whenit gets tough that you know you
kind of maybe distract yourselfwith some music or you know a
conversation with your friends,but whatever mental game you got
to play, but just realize thatyeah, it hurts, it's designed to
hurt, it's going to hurt, evenin a marathon, like even if
you're properly trained, likethe the, the last six miles Once
(21:50):
you you're gonna hit the wall.
The last six miles are alwayspainful and it's okay, it's part
of it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But yeah, yeah for sure.
And I think being prepared isbecause, yeah, like Jay said,
you're gonna be uncomfortablewhen you're out there on these
long runs and it's not gonna behappy, happy, happy, happy all
the time.
But if you are prepared, thatis one thing that has, I know,
100 million percent.
(22:16):
That has gotten me through.
I've.
Have I chafed?
Yes, I've chafed, but minimally, like I don't chafe a lot
because I prepare.
I prepare with different chafing, anti chafing Products that
work for me and I make sure, youknow, even like on a six mile
run, I'm like, oh, let me, letme break this out Because I
don't want to chafe blisters.
(22:37):
I know, I know what socks towear and For the miles, I know
what shoes to wear for the milesand I have very minimal
blistering.
You know I have.
I've figured out how to fueland how to hydrate.
Yes, you need to fuel on longruns your body, or or maybe you
don't, but you have to figurethese things out and then put
(22:58):
them, work them into the processbecause you know you're gonna
be uncomfortable.
But be as comfortable in theuncomfortable by being prepared,
like I live and die by that.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Absolutely and get the, get the right gear.
Experiment with gear like Idon't want to spend the money on
, but, tony, nice, nice clothes,nice shoes, nice socks, they
last a long time, they, theymake everything more comfortable
.
This is the funny thing,because I like to camp and
people like I can't camp or Ijust so miserable, it's because
you don't have the rightequipment.
Like if you had a nice sleepingbag and it was more comfortable
(23:30):
, I bet you would absolutelylove it.
But when you're using Equipmentand tools that there you know,
they just make it more difficult.
It's not going to be as fun.
So, yeah, don't, don't?
You know?
It's all about experimentationand and trying to learn, and
it's little things that make allthe difference in the world.
Yes, yeah, run with a grouperpartner.
(23:54):
Obviously, you know havingsuffering with a group is always
better than doing it alone.
I, I think you know having asocial support and
accountability is huge.
So having a running partner, agroup, whether in person or even
virtually, you know it helpsyou share the workload, makes
the miles more enjoyable andmakes you realize that you're
(24:14):
not alone out there, and sothat's that's always useful.
And you know that's what we'redoing.
I have to do our things nationcreating a community of
like-minded people getting afterit.
But I think that's important.
So yes definitely helpful.
And then, reflecting on pastsuccesses, the more that you do
this, the more that you've hadthese moments where things
(24:34):
didn't, you weren't having thebest of time at the moment, but
you got it done.
Anyway, you can always reflecton it, like you know what I've
done this before.
I can do this again, you know,I it's just just my mindset at
the moment.
I just need to overcome it andyou can.
You can draw on those pastmemories to give you strength in
the current moment when you'refacing difficulty.
(24:55):
And I think that transcendsjust everyday life.
Right, I can do hard things,have done hard things before.
I am confident in my ability, Ican push through.
I think that's that Definitelymakes a difference.
And the more that you getcomfortable being uncomfortable,
the easier it gets.
Yes, yeah, hence why you got a.
You know you got to push.
You got push the envelope onwhat that is for your life.
(25:16):
Yeah, absolutely.
And that leads me into thebanister effect and in mindset
when it comes to that.
So I got a little story for you, okay.
So running a four-minute mile,it just can't be done.
It's impossible.
People have tried and failedbefore.
The body just can't handle it.
He's risking his health.
What a waste of time.
(25:37):
It's a fool's errand like these.
These are some of thestatements that were that were
made when naysayers of Robertbanister was attempting to run a
sub four-minute mile, and Insports there are some
established records that becomewhat is perceived as an
Instrumental barrier, and in theworld of running, it was the
sub four-minute mile that wasconsidered the Mount Everest of
(25:58):
athletic achievement, and forover 70 years runners had been
diligently trying to break thefour-minute mile barrier, and it
was finally broken May 6th 1954, but up until that time, the
fastest recorded time was fourminutes.
One second point four, andRunners from around the world I
(26:19):
mean it was like it was likenewsworthy they were attempting
over and over and over again.
Loud, large crowds would gatherto see people try to to break
this record attempt, but itcouldn't.
It could not be done.
Sir Roger banister, he was amedical student and he was a
middle distance runner fromBritain, and the key, though, as
they analyzed him and hismethodology compared to the
(26:42):
others, was that he trulybelieved that he could do it,
and he approached it with agrowth mindset.
He'd not only focused on thebody but his mindset.
He had a demanding medicalschool schedule.
So he had to think outside thebox and how he could get his
training done.
And he and he ultimately, to dothis, adopted an unusual
(27:02):
training plan when he wouldcombine interval training which
was new, and that's what wetrain today and Visualization.
He would visualize and spendtime Just mentally preparing and
seeing himself accomplish this.
This was different from all ofthe other runners and on May 6th
it was a overcast day 1554, heproved the world that it could
(27:26):
be done and he smoked it with a359, 0.4, so two seconds faster.
It was during unfavorablerunning conditions, was windy
that day, and He'd done what waswhat Experts thought were
absolutely impossible.
Now here's the unique thing.
This is where the term banistereffect comes from.
Just 46 days after banister'srecord, an Australian Runner by
(27:49):
the name of John Landy ran themile in 357, so like, almost
like a second and a half faster,mm-hmm.
And then, in less than a year,three more runners broke the
record.
So so what happened?
70 years, all these runners weretrying to, you know, go for it,
and they couldn't break it.
Now, all of a sudden, like thefloodgate was open.
So what happened?
It?
Did humans evolve suddenlyphysically?
(28:11):
Was there some type oftechnological breakthrough in
running shoes or socks?
No, it was the mindset of whatrunners perceived this barrier
to be.
Runners up until this pointwere held back by the mindset
that they couldn't do it, mm-hmm.
And then, when the record wasbroken, it shattered that
limiting belief and the possiblewas now possible, and the
current time for the one milerun is 343 340.
(28:36):
Wow, even it's, that is in.
Yeah, so in 17 seconds, fasterthan you know what this
insurmountable, you know Timewas.
For the longest time, there wasa woman indoor track record, I
think.
Over the weekend broken indoortracks a little bit slower
because of the, the tightcorners I think 416 for females
(28:58):
over, which is super, super fast.
Yeah, so the banister effect isthe term used when someone
breaks through a barrier thatwas previously thought to be
impossible.
So this is outside of running.
This has become like a coinwhen something thought to be
impossible becomes possible andit leads people to believe into
a new possibility.
And so we all have assumptionsabout our own capabilities, our
(29:23):
own limitations, and we need tobe able to break through that.
We need to identify, you know,what is that four-minute mile in
our life, and how can weshatter that limitation in our
own life?
And so I just want you to thinkabout In your own life, when
you pushed beyond your ownlimits, your own limiting
beliefs, and and achievedsomething that you thought was
(29:44):
impossible, and what did youlearn from that experience?
Have you had anything, angie,that you thought was impossible
in your life?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Oh, hell, yeah.
I thought, man, if you want toask me if People regularly ran
hundred milers or 50 K's or 50milers, six, seven years ago, I
would have been like, no, peopledon't do that.
No.
And then here I am, I'm out.
I mean, I will never forget theday that I went out for a 14
(30:11):
mile training run and ran 36miles because of the people that
I was with, I mean that therewas no.
I was like you guys are there,like you're gonna end up running
at least a marathon today, andI'm like you guys are shut up,
there's no way.
But the more you're around itand you see it and you're like,
wait a minute.
You know, we know people thatregularly run 50 milers and 100
(30:34):
milers, because that theirmindset is that they can do it,
and so absolutely, yes, 100%.
When it's a normal thing to say, oh, how far are you gonna go
run today?
I don't know, I'm gonna go run15 miles today.
I'm gonna go run 10 miles today, like that's, that's normal in
our, in our friend group, youknow, and it's just crazy, it's
(30:55):
crazy, yeah, what, what?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It sounds.
It sounds insane to drive 100miles.
I got about to get off thepodcast.
Go drive 100 miles.
It's a long way to drive littleown to run, yes, and it
transcends, you know, into yourpersonal life, like there's a
lot of races and things thatI've done.
I mean my whole growth mindsetjourney started with running and
but that bled over to mypersonal life.
You know, I never thought thatI could be a father of triplet
(31:22):
daughters.
You know, I didn't think Iwould ever be a father.
I didn't think that I came fromnothing.
You know, going to college andearning a bachelor degree, I
didn't think that that waspossible.
Then that led me to oh my gosh,a master's degree.
I don't think I can do this andI did it.
And I not only did it once butdid it twice In my career.
You know, becoming an officer,that wasn't, that wasn't in the
(31:43):
cards for the likes of me andwhere I came from and I did it.
I did it well.
And so, time after time aftertime, there were things in my
life outside of just runningthat I thought were impossible,
that but I was able to leveragethose other impossibilities in
my life.
I had banister effect in mylife and I'm like you know what.
I think I can do this if I, ifI apply these principles hard
(32:04):
work, showing up dedication,getting a coach and a mentor,
getting the right communityaround me.
Like I feel like I'm prettyfreaking, unstoppable, right
yeah, and my current four-minutemile is this expedition race.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm scared.
The expedition O's are coming.
I'm scared, but I'm using allof the tools at my disposal.
(32:28):
We're leveraging a community.
I've got a partner, I've got abunch of people clapping when I
win and supporting me.
I'm getting all the gear andequipment and that's my current
four-minute mile that I'mworking for, trying to finish
this race.
So I think everyone has that.
What is that in your life?
You just realize that you'reonly limited by your own mindset
(32:49):
and you can shatter it.
That's it damn.
You can shatter it.
Well, it's 632.
632.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Alrighty alright.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
We gotta pull up my screen here.
We got our weekly winner andthen alright, so our weekly
winner is gonna be a little bitunusual because I don't have
full-blown photos.
I'm gonna share with you aFacebook page because Ray is
primarily on TikTok.
Ray Dijkstra, your weeklywinner.
And is that working?
(33:20):
There we go, boom.
Alright.
Ray Dijkstra, whom is righthere?
Look at that.
Look at that handsome devilwith a frowny face.
Ray, you gotta update yourprofile photo.
Dude, you look angry.
He's actually the nicest guy inthe world.
He shaved off his beard overthe weekend.
He's been doing a bigfundraiser.
He founded the America FirstProject and he's building tiny
homes for veterans and he hasbeen working diligently.
(33:42):
He's his big footprint is onFacebook but he has been working
diligently on doing fundraisingto build tiny homes.
He's buying some land up inSouth Dakota and he's auctioning
off a bunch of.
He's got people donating likewoodworking.
He's got people donatingvehicles, all sorts of stuff to
(34:03):
get this project of making, youknow, providing housing for
homeless veterans and he's beenworking so hard on.
He's constantly going live onhis TikTok, just spreading the
word on his mission, and he'ssuch a just a kind giving person
.
He did a battle the other nightwhere people were gifting and
(34:25):
he lost the battle but theyraised a bunch of money.
But he shaved off his beard onTikTok just as a way to raise
funds and I just appreciate hisheart and what he's doing in his
journey.
So, ray, for just being a rolemodel for other people and being
selfless, we're gonna send youa do hard things shirt for just
kicking ass and appreciate whatyou're doing.
(34:46):
But these are some of thewoodworking that the people are
donating and all the money thathe's raising behind the scenes
that make this happen.
So, ray, we appreciate you.
That's awesome.
Yeah, so well, that's it.
That's all I got for today.
It is Monday.
It is Monday.
Go buy yourself a nice mattress, if you want, because they're
(35:06):
all on sale.
Yeah, I am gonna go spend theday.
I'm gonna take my daughter to ablues game.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Right on, I am gonna spend the day this morning.
At some point we're gonna gorun, I'm gonna hang out with my
better half and our little furrycompanion, our little old dog,
and then tonight we've gotroller derby practice.
So more roller derby, yeah.
So I'm excited.
So today's gonna be a great day.
(35:32):
Go out and smile.
Don't forget to make someoneelse smile.
Make yourself smile first andmake someone else smile.
Put a smile on somebody's face.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Make the day count because you can.
Yeah, you can.
So we appreciate y'all and yeah, we will see you all in the
next episode.
Keep kicking ass, all right,thanks.
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