EP. 8 - Le Petit Theatre

Venturing deeper into New Orleans' haunted landscape, we explore Le Petit Theater – a Spanish colonial revival structure that's witnessed over 300 years of the city's complex history. Built in 1916 and completed in 1922, this historic theater stands as one of America's oldest community venues, and according to countless witnesses, home to spirits whose passion for performance transcends death itself.

Unlike the darker hauntings we've previously explored, Le Petit's spectral residents seem driven by unfinished business, artistic longing, and a protective presence over current performers. From the graceful woman in white (believed to be an actress who died before her final curtain call) to the shadowy figure silently watching from the balcony, these apparitions reflect the theatrical world's deep emotional connections.

The paranormal reports are strikingly specific: phantom applause erupting in empty theaters, mysterious piano music playing without a musician, and whispers behind stage curtains that sometimes call out performers' names. Particularly fascinating is the phenomenon of the "ghost light" – a single bulb traditionally left burning overnight that sometimes lights itself during blackouts or is found mysteriously damaged by morning.

As we discuss these theatrical hauntings, we notice patterns emerging across the locations we've studied throughout our series. The recurring motifs – women in white, children's laughter, shadow figures, mirrors, and curtains – prompt deeper questions about what defines different types of spirits and why certain manifestations appear consistently across vastly different locations. 

Have you experienced unexplained events in a theater? Or felt like someone was watching during a rehearsal when the audience seats were empty? Share your stories and join us next episode as we leave Louisiana behind to explore our first ghost town in the mountains of Montana.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Jake, let's run this shit.
Come on, what are you doingover there?
You're drinking a lot of water.
Why he's hydrating?
He says it keeps you alert.
Hey, look at yourself and allthe cameras.
Real quick, go up to thecameras, go, look, go, look, go.
You got to give it a nicelittle.
You got the middle one.

(00:32):
Nice, jake, you look good, whatthe fuck?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
What do you want and what are you up to?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't want nothing, but we're recording, we're
rolling.
Chris, you're recording and I'mnot even sitting down left.
La Petite Filet.
Oh, your sitting down left LaPetite Filet.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh, your voice sounds good.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
La Petite Filet Theater.
Don't burp, don't do it, do notdo it, do not do it.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I just chugged a whole bunch of water.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
La Petite Theater La.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Petite, where are we at?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Episode 8.
Hello, I finally feel better,man.
Oh, that last episode, episodeseven, go back, give it a listen
.
I was sick, I was not feelingwell on that episode, Jake.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm sorry.
I feel alive, I feel good today.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm looking for his notes everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, this is wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, well, you better get it right, hold on.
Okay, get it right, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
There, let's you know I'm keeping all this in.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I screwed up.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, you better unscrew it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I think I screwed up, jake, hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I'm hurrying.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Come on, oh no, oh no , come on, I'm hurrying.
Come on.
Oh no, oh no, there we go,there we go okay let me make
sure this is all correct thismight be the last episode ever
of do you believe in ghosts?
La petite la petite.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
we didn't even, we didn't even look up to see if
we're saying this correctly LaPetite.
Well, how else would you say?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
it.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
La Petite.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
This is definitely going to be the last episode.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Somebody's going to be offended.
We had a good run.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
We had a good run.
Eight episodes Last episodeever.
We had a good run.
Sorry we had a good run.
We had a good run.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's like it's like a netflix, like short series like
, hey, we got eight episodes in.
Uh, it was gonna end early,anyways, yeah, we had a good run
.
Hey, we're eight episodes in.
We're at the le petit theater.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
We're still in new orleans wow, I don't feel sick
today, well, I felt sick as shiton that last episode we had
some time to sit with thatepisode.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And when I say sit with it, I mean we completely
stopped thinking about it assoon as that episode was done.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Like Men in Black, like when it flashes and you
forget everything.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, I will say there was something very
beneficial about that episode isthat some very important
questions get answered by davidand laura involving what
justifies, you know, a spirit tosustain trauma after death, and
if you're curious what theanswer is, definitely go check
out the other episode.
Um, but just be prepared thatepisode is very dark, very sad,

(03:25):
very gruesome and it was areally tough episode.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
It was a tough episode to get through.
But this one we're going intotheater theatrics le petit Jake,
you were a theater guy, youwere the nutcracker.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I remember seeing you wear those tights in high
school.
Why the nutcracker?
I remember you were thenutcracker, I was not the
nutcracker.
I remember seeing you wearthose tights in high school.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Why the Nutcracker?
I remember you were theNutcracker, I was not the
Nutcracker.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, he was.
Don't let him lie.
You were the Nutcracker.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Avelapier you could Google it.
Jake Simons, he was theNutcracker.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So I only got into theater my sophomore year of
high school and you were theNutcracker.
That's not true what?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
were you.
I forgot robin hood orsomething.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
You're like peter pan or some shit.
No, I wasn't.
So.
The, uh, sophomore year of highschool, I actually don't really
remember what the the play wascalled, but I was a lieutenant
and my first ever appearance onstage actually was me entering
the stage area from the backdoor instead of on stage itself,
which was terrifying for me,and I had to be like this, this

(04:31):
lieutenant guy.
She was like working out andall this stuff.
I forget what it was called,though.
Passion of the christ.
Fuck, no, that's not what itwas debbie does d.
But from what I've heard, that Iwas pretty good and people
thought I was very funny.
So obviously when you get thatkind of criticism after your

(04:54):
first theater experience youkind of want to relive that high
again.
So the next year.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Hopefully this episode does that for you.
It will.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, let's talk about my theater.
But next year I was kilroy inthe play.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Kilroy was here uh, yeah, that's right, the fuck is
kilroy after one year you werethe lead theater, I was the lead
.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's how great.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
The good news is, like I said at the beginning of
the episode, this is the lastepisode ever of do you believe
in?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Ghosts.
Dude, I never get to talk aboutmy theater pass.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I was actually very proud of it.
Think about it.
You better get it all out.
I'm going to tell you thisright now Get it all out.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I remember junior year of baseball team.
You guys were shitting on meevery time I had to miss a
baseball practice because I hadto go to theater.
It's because you would show upin tights.
He did.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
He used to show up at nothing.
I'm not shitting on the tights,but when you were the leader
for the nutcracker, you showedup in tights and you had that
vest on.
I remember it was yesterday youwere the nutcracker.
I'm pretty sure it was thenutcracker like the during the
day looking up the play.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Nobody from the baseball team came and supported
me.
They they were so mad at mebecause I was missing baseball
practice.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
To be the nutcracker, to be Kilroy.
And look at you later, 37 yearsold, and you're the nutcracker.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I'm not the nutcracker, no, I'm not, but
anyways that was a fun story,but hey, if we want to talk
about baseball real quick.
My senior year what was I,bobby?
Why are we doing?
What was I, Bobby?
My senior year, what was I onthe baseball team?
I don't fucking remember.
Shall I remind you?
I was MVP.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I could see that.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Remember when you're on the coaches nuts the whole
time.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's why you got it .
Fucking kiss ass it was becauseof stats.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
You asshole yeah, whatever, no remember when they
made fat heads of each other.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I do.
You know, jim has.
You know, jim has that as hisbackground photo when I call him
.
I think, I think he does, or hedid, at least I don't know what
happened to mine.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm starting to not feel good again.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm starting to think it's just you that makes me not
feel good.
Again, I don't know.
I'm starting to think it's justyou that makes me not feel good
.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Eight episodes last episode, here we go all right,
we're talking about the le petittheater.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I hope I'm pronouncing that we're just
gonna go into it like that, likehow are we just gonna like okay
?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
we don't have to go into it like that, but uh, let's
, let's talk about a couple ofhousekeeping things right now
I'm so happy you saidhousekeeping and not house
creeping.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
You were so sold on that house creeping thing I was
sold on it because I think itwas adorable.
It's terrible.
And it reminded me of howcreative I can be, so I'm always
going to take that.
Hey guys, we got some housecreeping today.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
But anyways.
So if anybody has been on theBlackraft Patreon who's been
there?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Patreon yeah, patreoncom slash Blackraft Cult
yes, we got some new tiers thathave opened up.
We got the Ultimate.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Sinner, uh-huh, we got.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
The Sinner and we got 666 Club.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm adding an additionalfeature to the Sinner and the
Ultimate Sinner and up, and I'mdoing this because this is
something I want to do, becauseI told you to do it.
No, you didn't tell me to dothis, I actually came to no, you
didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I gave you this idea.
Okay, how did that conversationstart?
I said, hey, jake, we shouldmake up stories, short stories,
and write them in letters andgive them to the Sinners Club.
You're like, I love that ideaand then going to start telling
short stories and I'm going toput it on Patreon.
I could look up the text, Icould screenshot it and put it
on the camera if you'd like.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Anyways, what I told him is that I want to do voice
recordings of the short storiesthat would also have music
layered on top of it.
These are not things that we'reshipping it to them.
This is simply audible contentthat I would be applying my own
musical skills on the backdropof the stories.
I think it would be fun, itwould be great fun for me and

(08:50):
creativity for me plus practicefor me, because one of my end
game goals and, bobby, you knownow about this, about me for the
longest time, my goal in lifeis to be able to score a movie
one day.
And I feel like this would bewonderful practice to do scores
for these little short storiesthat I tell Anyways if anybody
who's a sinner in an ultimatesin.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
You make me feel like shit, I got a headache.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Anyways, you'll be getting short stories from me as
additional content and I hopeyou appreciate, unlike some
people.
Anyways, let's talk about theLe Petit Theater.
I do.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Anyways, let's talk about the le petit theater I do
want to give you your flowersreal quick.
I do think it is.
I do think it is a great idea,which is why I hit you with the
idea.
Um, but we're not here to saywhose idea it was, because we're
this is a team and you keeplowering your chair and raising
your chair every episode, andthen, and then you got to change
and then he changes the theframe.

(09:45):
Every episode you do this, I'msorry.
Every episode you say you don'tbelieve in ghosts.
I was feeling very you believein ghosts you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's getting the older I get, the more I want to
be hidden like I said, it's beena great run.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
We're here discussing the last episode ever of do you
believe in?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
ghosts, your netflix short series theater.
We're here, we're talking aboutit, yeah we're gonna go a
little bit into the info of thislocation.
The reason, like I said, we'restaying in new orleans is
because there's such a richhistory history of like
paranormal activity andlocations that have like all
this like paranormal stuffattached to it.
Wow, we already done what twolocations so far from new
orleans yep, we did the lalorille and we also did the

(10:23):
hotel montelion, I believe Ididn't really like that episode.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I did the hotel, I didn't really like it.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
You cannot deny that we felt a lot more at ease on
that I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I want to feel sick every episode that's that.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's horrible.
I want to feel sick, yeah, okay.
Well, that's great for you.
I love that for you.
I don't.
I want to feel happy andhealthy on every episode?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Anyone ever say you look like Ben Roethlisberger,
can you not?
That's a compliment, by the way, is it a?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
compliment.
I don't think anybody's evercame to me and be like hey, ben
Roethlisberger is veryattractive.
I don't think anybody's told methat.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
He was on.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
GQ what's GQ?
All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Anyways, episode eight.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's just a backwards cap.
It might be.
So.
Les Petits Theater built in1916.
It was the original theater information, so it was completed
in 1922.
So it took about six years tobuild and it was right next to
the famed Jackson Square andfacing St Louis Cathedral, so

(11:22):
it's near the St Louis Cathedralin New Orleans.
The architecture is Spanishcolonial revival with French
quarter aesthetics, jacksonSquare and facing St Louis
Cathedral.
So it's near the St LouisCathedral in New Orleans.
The architecture is Spanishcolonial revival with French
quarter aesthetics, and itfeatured arched windows, wrought
iron balconies and red brickexteriors.
I like to try to paint a pictureof what it looks like to the
listeners, because obviouslythis is like an audio recording
and stuff, and it also containeda main stage, rehearsal rooms,

(11:44):
backstage dressing areas and acourtyard.
It was owned by louisiana statemuseum and was a private arts
foundation still functioningtoday as one of the oldest
community theaters in the us, sothere's definitely some good
history here.
Uh, it has never closed.
It's actually still running tothis very day and it's used as a
preserved and historic value,so it's a historical place to

(12:07):
visit.
The capacity in the theater, Ithink, is like over 300 seats,
so I don't know if they're stilldoing stage theater.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Sounds like the rich theater.
Josh Balls is a theater.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, that's another thing too.
I'm starting to realize thatthere's.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
These theaters are fucking haunted.
I know I'm starting to realizethat these theaters are fucking
hot.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I know it's something , it's theaters hotels, fires,
theaters, theaters, hotels andmansions, and asylums all have
going on around here.
I don't freaking know.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Let me guess there's a fire.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
There was a.
Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Is there really a fire in this one?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
There wasn't a fire.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I don't think there's going to be a kid.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I create a lot of these episodes.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Let me guess there's a fire.
Let me guess there's a kidrunning the hall.
Let me guess there's some womanin white running around.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, if you're good, this is pretty much the new one
.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
This is why it's the last episode ever.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Because it's just repetitive.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
There's going to be a woman running around in white
clothes.
There's a kid running aroundscreaming.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Don't tell me there's a let me guess there's going to
be there's going to be a shadowfigure today.
There's trauma.
I start to sound like you alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Wow, you're starting to sound like I'm starting to
not believe.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Holy shit, what is funny how the roles are reversed
.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Bro, what if this whole fucking season it flips?
I'm like, let me guess there'sa woman and I just don't believe
anymore you're like terrifiedyou start looking younger I
start looking older.
I'm starting to be morestressed what the fuck are you
trying to say?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I'm saying um, uh, so what lapid?
To theater is often called oneof the most haunted theaters in
america, and not just forflickering lights or creaky
floor doors.
There's also paranormal reportshere, unusually vivid, and some
actors refuse to be alone inthe building after dark.
So this is very interesting.
I don't want to go intospecific haunted activities yet,

(13:57):
but so the theater itself wasbuilt on grounds that have seen
over 300 years of colonialhistory.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So just imagine what has gone on in and around this
building, and it includesslavery, violence, duels and
executions in nearby JacksonSquare.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
So I'm starting to realize New Orleans has just a
really, really dark past ingeneral, and it doesn't matter
really where you go in the city.
You're probably going toconfront some sort of off
feeling or weird feeling as youpass by these buildings, which
are super old and uh.
There has been a lot ofperformances, deaths and

(14:34):
mysteries that have been infuseduh with this area specifically
a lot of eerie residual energyand at least two confirmed
deaths or death I cannot speakright now.
Deaths are remembered to havehappened inside the theater,
including a stage hand who fellfrom the rafters and an actress
who collapsed in the dressingroom before her final
performance.
So this is definitely going tobe far less tragic than uh,

(15:01):
compared to a couple of episodeswe've done previously.
Uh, I think this is definitelygoing to be more on the level of
maybe like Hotel Monteleonewhere it's more residual and
more, I guess, apparition-typehauntings.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know what's interesting?
What Can we go into the hauntedactivity right now?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, we can go to it because I definitely want to
review some of the incidentsthat took place here.
But we can definitely go intothe haunted activity first.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, we should talk about it for a second, because
you know how we're going to doepisode 10 uh this isn't.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh yes, by the way, yeah but episode 10.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
We're going to talk to david and laura about like
ghosts, just just to get.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
We want to go over paranormal terminology and we
kind of want to have a betterunderstanding of the rules of
the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I got a question and we should write this down
because I got it up here.
It's in my my big head up here,um cold spots yes why are they
in all these episodes?
Like you know, like here, thecold spots are near the dressing
rooms and under the stage.
Yes, yes, I'm very curious.
I want to ask them about thecold spots.

(16:06):
And then I also not wet spots,jake, cold spots and then the
apparitions seen walking acrossthe stage or standing silently
in balconies.
I'm curious about that, like Ithink they asked that or they
answered your question last timeabout the figures or the
apparitions like that kind ofstuff.
But what is it with the coldspots?

(16:28):
Why are they always in theareas?
What's that relation to thefigures and cold spot?
What is all that?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
To me.
I feel like a cold spot issimply a draft.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
We're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
We're not going to do that.
I didn't say for you.
I said for them, not for you,for them.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It all takes place in buildings and every building
has some form of draft going on.
You open the front door, you'regoing to feel it on the
opposite end of the building.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Okay, Jake, I'm just saying Another haunted activity
you got the phantom applauseduring empty rehearsals.
That would be crazy, that'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
So this is why I was gravitating towards the petite
theater is because there'sdifferent types of hauntings
that we haven't been exposed toyet, and to me that's like a
mass haunting you're you'reinvolving like a whole entire
crowd yeah of residual energy,applauding people from the past,
and it would just be wild ifyou're just like in the front
part of the theater and you justheard, like through the doors,

(17:21):
like a huge applause.
That that, to me, requires, ifthis is true, a lot of energy to
be enacted all at once tocreate that type of sound.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I got a question.
They say that there's strongsmell of, like old perfume cigar
smell.
I wonder how that would like.
How would that energy get inthere, Like how would the smells
get in there?
That's a whole differentquestion.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm probably going to be a little bit more literal on
that.
I would say that it's probablyperfume and cigar that's
embedded into the fabric of thetheater.
I feel like that's probable Ifyou're talking about years and
years and years of being used.
I feel like that's notnecessarily….

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You just get a random whiff of it or some shit.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's not a random whiff.
I just feel like some peoplehave certain levels of sense.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Greater than others Like for me I feel like I don't
smell much as strongly as otherpeople, but I feel like you got
COVID Like three years ago.
I haven't smelled things since,but yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I feel like that's more logically explained.
I don't know if that's that'sfair.
You know what I like thatanswer.
What about the unexplainedpiano music coming from?
Okay, how do you?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
how do you?
What's that?
I'm actually glad you broughtthis up.
So, as a pianist, okay, assomeone who played piano, since
what?
Six years old, I took pianolessons for about two or three
years and then I dropped off, soyou're like, and then I, you're
like beethoven.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I kind of self, were self-taught so you're like
Beethoven.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You're like Beethoven I kind of self-taught myself to
.
I really am a huge fan of likeoh my God, I can't even think of
the word improvisation.
I love improvising music basedon just feelings and stuff like
that.
So the reason why I find thismore haunting to me than maybe
your usual haunting involvinglike humans or or or shadows or

(19:08):
apparitions of any sort, is Ireally just remember watching
horror movies my whole life andfor some reason, whenever there
was a horror movie thatshowcased a piano being utilized
as a form of a haunting, itunnerved me, and I think a lot
of it had to do with the factthat I was a pianist, which

(19:29):
these movies made me afraid ofmy own instrument, and I think
there's something to be saidabout the why you don't?
believe.
But listen, there's somethingunnerving about something that's
used as an expression ofmankind to be utilized as a form
of a haunting.
That's kind of creepy to me,because music to me I don't know
much so much about likemainstream music, but musically

(19:51):
it, music in general, to peopleis a form of expression and it's
kind of fascinating that musicis intertwined with some sort of
paranormal phenomenon, becausethese are all tools that were
used for expression and I wonderif these instruments consider,
because they call it theuniversal language, so obviously
this would be also palpable andmaybe translative, you know, in

(20:14):
a paranormal sense as well,because it is a universal
language.
There's something almostparanormal about these
instruments in general,something far beyond our
comprehension.
So the idea of like piano musicplaying without the piano
actually playing, or there beinga figure, an invisible figure,

(20:37):
playing a piano and then it juststops playing when you approach
it or you just hear a boom,like that's terrifying to me.
But it also opens theprobability of like, the
importance of music and how it'simplemented in a paranormal
sense that makes sense I feltlike I really went.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, you went off.
You lost the board.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, you lost me I don't know this is coming from,
like the the position of apianist, but I I just find that
part particularly fascinating tome because I'm a pianist.
A pianist some people mislabelit, mispronounce it, but just
saying that right now I don'tknow what's wrong with me right

(21:13):
now I just love talking aboutmusic in the piano.
So staff I want to talk aboutstaffing currently because this
is how it was managed.
So the theater has long reliedon passionate local performance,
so we're going to want to givekudos to the people who have
kept this theater alive and well, from local performers,
directors and technicians.
Several past crew members anddirectors have reported strange
occurrences, including feelingsomeone watching from the

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balcony or hearing footstepspacing above them.
So imagine if you're like doingrehearsal and there's no one in
the balcony and you'reperforming.
How would you one would be ableto focus if they feel like
there's a presence watching them, I don't think I would be able
to focus on my performance.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I don't think so.
Yeah that's creepy.
That's creepy.
I was just trying to put myselfin that situation.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, maybe Think of it as when you used to perform
live as a musician.
Think of it as when you used toperform live as a musician.
Imagine if you're rehearsing onthe stage but you said
something, yeah.
And somewhere in the vicinityis something watching you.
Have you ever had that feelingbefore?

Speaker 1 (22:11):
if you have ever done rehearsal or you've performed
in a venue in here A little bit,really, a little bit Not too
crazy, but I feel it in here, Ifeel like there's a presence in
here Interesting.
You don't feel it.
No, raul, you feel it.
I've been here, you do.
That's interesting, becauseRaul's open to things You're not

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.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I've been here so many times by myself and I don't
feel one damn thing.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
We do this all the time, everybody just feels
something.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
There's definitely been plenty of reports of people
you performed at this theaterof, like some form of energy or
or shadow figures or people itwithin the, the audience chairs
just watching them while theyperform, like I wonder if that
also makes their performanceeven better maybe maybe because
now they're like well, shit,shit.

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We're not just entertainingreal people, we also have to
make the ghosts happy too aswell, because they're chilling
here and we're pretty muchimposing on their their area.
Uh, we're gonna go into a littlebit the incidents that took
place in the le petit um, sothese ones are definitely not as

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traumatic as the ones that weexperienced in previous episodes
, but they're very fascinatingbecause we're dealing with with
the arts of performing it, sothis is going to be really cool
to discuss.
So let's first go into theactress who died before her
final performance, as wementioned earlier, earlier.
I think this is a really reallygood place to start.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I think this is going to be a funny one, because what
you're about to hear is a womanin white.
Here we go, here we go we don'tknow if she was wearing.
I'm starting to become askeptic.
Now I see, Jake, how you'restarting to feel.
Let me guess there's this woman.
She's going.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
This is actually kind of wild.
So around the early tomid-1900s, an aging actress
reportedly collapsed in thedressing room just before going
on stage.
Some say she had a heart attackcaused by extreme nerves.
Others whisper she took her ownlife after learning it would be
her final role.
Her ghost is believed to be thewoman in white.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean come on.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Come on See, don't you start to see a pattern?

Speaker 1 (24:18):
here I'm starting to see the shake.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
You're starting to become an unbeliever.
I'm starting to become asleeper.
Be a woman in white, still seenbackstage and near the
orchestra pit.
Some performers say herpresence is protective, as
though she still wants the showto go on.
So lighthearted, kind ofendearing the idea that this
woman's spirit sticks around inthe theater to make sure that

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the show must goes on, and itdoes the best that it can.
What are your thoughts on thisstory?
First off, if you had to guessbetween nerves and a heart
attack, and maybe her taking herown life, what would you think
would be the probability Ifshe's there haunting?

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I don't know, I don't know she's.
Both are kind of, I mean, aheart attack.
I, I don't know.
I need to know that.
I need to know facts to this, Iwould need to know I don't know
.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well, I don't know either, but I do like the idea
that she's protective, thoughthat means she really loved what
she did yeah, that's why maybetaking her own life could be I
feel like that would turn herinto a maybe a shadow figure if
that was the case, because thenyou have such a a negative
experience passing away.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Oh my god, like I'm still learning the roles of this
, I don't really knownecessarily what determines an
apparition between a shadowfigure, the uh, the next one is
kind of interesting because joshball's on the ritz theater he
had um someone get killed in thetheater way back in the day
like a stage hand.
The next one is kind ofinteresting because Josh Ball is
on the Ritz Theater.
He had someone get killed in thetheater way back in the day

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Like a stagehand.
I think it was theprojectionist.
I think so Because in this onethe stagehand who fell from the
rafters it was a youngtechnician who fell from the
catwalk while working on a setrigging.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
The fall is believed to have been fatal.
This was in the 1930s to 1940s,right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
The fall has been fatal and ever since then
there's been unexplainedfootsteps above the stage.
Lights are malfunctioningduring tech rehearsals and tools
going missing, so that's crazy,because the tech crews often
leave a small light on for him,just in case.
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I wonder if that's where Motel 6 got their saying
from.
That's kind of endearing.
You think that's?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
where Motel 6 got their saying from.
We'll leave a light on for youwhat about?
Motel 6?
.
What happened to?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Motel 6?
We'll leave a light on for youwhat happened to Motel 6?

Speaker 1 (26:25):
We'll leave a light on for you.
I'm so confused what?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
are we?
Oh, motel 6, as they're saying,we'll leave a light on for you.
That makes I don't get it Likenever mind Okay.
When was the last time you werein a Motel 6?
Bro come on.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
This might have to be the last episode.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
No man, I'm trying to have fun here because this is
more light Dude.
That last episode was brutal.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I want to have fun here.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I want to have fun here.
Here comes a fire.
Here comes a fire.
I mean, this is fucking crazy.
This is honestly insane.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I'm starting to believe you're fucking with me
so when I'm doing the notes.
So we're eight episodes in andthere seems to be this
reoccurring theme.
And when I make these notes, Ikeep on laughing to myself Like
there's no way there's anotherfire involved with this location
.
Cause when I choose theselocations, like I, I based it

(27:24):
off of, like the intrigue of theinitial, like like a discovery
of it, like the LaPete theaterwas like intriguing to me, and
then, as soon as I started deepdiving into it, I'm just like
you gotta be kidding me.
Another woman in white.
Are you kidding me?
Another fire into it?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm just like you got to be kidding me.
Another woman in white.
Are you kidding me?
Another fire, I mean, bro?
Okay, so there was a fire thathappened in the 80s.
Yep, small electrical firebroke out backstage.
It was quickly extinguished,but some props and backdrops
were destroyed.
Okay, afterward, actors claimedto smell smoke or feel heat
during rehearsals, even afterfull repairs.
Okay, paranormal investigators,jake.
Well, what did they say?
They theorized that it woke upspirits that had long been

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dormant.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So like spirits before, like the 1930s or 40s,
do you believe?
Because this man who fell fromthe rafters was from the 1930s
to the 1940s, correct, was fromthe 1930s to the 1940s, correct?
Do you believe that electricalfire that broke out was maybe a
paranormal phenomenon?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Or do you think it's just bad wiring?
No, I just think bad wiring.
I think bad wiring fucked it up.
I don't know, though you neverknow.
That's another question I wantto ask.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Are the paranormal capable of affecting the
physical environment to thepoint where it causes harm.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You've never seen Beetlejuice, yes.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
You and Josh Bolton love referencing that as like a
template for all paranormal.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I just spit everywhere.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
For all paranormal.
But yeah, I mean, we couldprobably visualize it for that
instance.
But that's the question I wantto ask them next.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
It's interesting because they say that there's a
curse of the failed show, right,and here's some things that
they're saying.
I mean, dude, I don't know thisepisode in the hotel one that
we did.
There's something about them.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
But not every haunted location is going to have this
extraordinarily dark past.
Yeah, I get it If there was tobe an extraordinarily dark past.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Then we're dealing with a really fucked up past as
a general Hold on.
Let's stay here for a secondbecause the curse of the failed
show lead actors drop out lastminute.
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
That is interesting, so like a superstition of some
sort.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's very interesting.
Props of breaking without causethat's interesting.
Electrical malfunctions, poorweather, canceling multiple
performances Okay.
And then the staff always jokeabout it being the Resonance
Ghosts review.
And when a show angers thespirits, it'll tank, no matter
how well rehearsed.
That's interesting.
So that's interesting.
That's something I can actuallybelieve in.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I can actually believe in that.
I don't personally believe incurses.
I feel like a lot of it issuperstition to me and I believe
that what happens is that acurse can manipulate the
person's train of thought and itcan be an influence on how they
react to a situation.
So let's say if, for instance,I were to involve myself in
something right, and I'mperfectly fine, everything feels

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good, everything feelsconfident, and then someone for
some reason is like oh, did youhear about this?
The curse of somethingso-and-so, that kind of
storytelling I feel like canhave an influence on someone.
It can psych them out, and Ifeel like curses have power only
when you bring them up or whenyou show light to them.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't believe that curses are real.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I don't believe in that.
No, that's not true.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
You never seen the mummy.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Never seen the mummy.
The mummy, are you kidding withBrandon Frazier?
Yeah, that's no, we're not even.
We're still in.
We're still in America rightnow.
We're not even all the way overthere in the press, that's what
I'm trying to say, though,across the world.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
That's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I don't know.
I mean, if you believe that'strue, I believe curses are real.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Okay, I believe in this shit.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Actually I think lead actors dropping off the last
minute, sheer nerves that can beexplained by sheer nerves.
Props breaking without cause Idon't think that's curse-driven.
Electrical malfunctions that'sliterally anything and
everything that involves aperformance, whether you're a

(31:24):
touring musician or performinglive.
Poor weather, canceling I doubtthat a whole entire area like
New Orleans is just going toexperience bad weather simply
because of one building.
Sorry, that's my form ofjustifying it.
Okay, but the Curse ofjustifying it Okay, but the
Curse of the Failed Show.
I mean, it's probable.
Maybe there's probability there.
I have a hard time computingall those curses.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
mean, but you believe it.
So I don't want to make fun oranything like that.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I feel like this episode compared to the last
episode hey, be nice, no, no, no, no.
This episode compared to thelast episode hey be nice, no, no
, no, no, I'm being nice.
I thought you were about totalk shit.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Jesus bro, I thought you were about to talk shit on
this episode.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, geez man, I mean, this episode is terrible Jesus.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
See what I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
There it is.
I'm just kidding, whatever.
No, I feel like this one has alot of unfinished business to it
.
Like I feel, like there's Idon't know, there's like
unfinished performances yeah,like it's not as finished fame.
Obviously it's not as tragic asthe last episode, but I feel
like there's I don't know,there's something to it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think what it could be is the ambition and drive of
the people who perform, likefor me, as someone who performed
in high school, not one likethere was always that moment
where I'd be like man, whatwould it be like to be a
successful actor, what would itbe like to succeed in Hollywood?
That kind of creates acuriosity for that kind of
longing right, and I can't helpbut feel like when you're

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working at a local theater inNew Orleans.
I think everyone who has beeninvolved in some form of
performance has had thatcuriosity of what it would be
like to have all this fame,whether it be in Hollywood or
locally, and I feel like whathappens is that it creates these
circumstances of paranormal,where you're dealing with

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people's unresolved, residuallonging for something that they
never achieved themselves.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
That makes sense.
I think that's why the energyin LA crazy sometimes.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I think I think you feel that energy oh yeah,
absolutely a lot of, just a lotof like broken dreams.
And yeah, broken dreams likethat one story of the woman in
white where she's just like shecollapses right before her final
performance.
It's that longing that she was.
She could have achieved moreand she didn't.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
And I feel like.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
maybe that's what causes a place like the La
Petite Theater to have theseparanormal situations, these
paranormal experiences, becausewe're dealing with people's
feelings as opposed to theirphysical selves.
That makes sense theirambitions, their dreams.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
And I feel like, too, the Lady in White.
I feel like the past episodeswhen we've talked about the lady
in white, or even when ghosts Iknow, I'm joking when I'm
making fun- of this but I dofeel like you know the past
episodes.
We talked about the lady inwhite.
I feel, like maybe you see itin white because they are good
people.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
And you know when it passes on or whatever it is,
that's the form that it takes,like the, the white form right
of the energy, or whatever theghostly figure that you see.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's definitely plausible, because the lady in
white's the most popular.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
It seems to be the most popular story.
No, but it's the most popularstory for this, for this
haunting yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I do want to go into the ghost stories uh section for
the le petit theater.
So, unlike the dark violence ofthe la la re mansion, the
spirit said to linger in the lepetit theater are like tied more
to tragedy.
Oh my god, tragedy longing andunfinished I was just saying
that.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
We're just talking about that.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's weird I feel like that's
how it feels I kind of want thiswould be a good location to
actually go to.
Obviously, I feel like lalaaurie may be a harder.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Would you stay at the LaLaurie for one night?
If you don't believe me, what'sthe big deal?
I?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
actually want to take the Josh Balls approach and I
want to respect.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
You can't pick and choose.
That's not how this is going towork this season.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I feel like if there's ghosts in the La Petite
Theater, there'll be a littlebit more, because they want a
crowd, they want an audience.
So I feel like my presencethere would be far more well
received, as opposed to lalaurie mansion that I feel like
might break.
You're a theater kid, you're inthe theater I see they're
welcoming you.
I see it all right, lady inwhite jake, let's talk about it

(35:35):
so let's talk about the lady inwhite, most of them, one of the
most frequently reportedapparitions, a woman dressed in
old fashioned white stagecostume.
I wonder what her role was,because I tried to find it,
trying to look into what playwas taking place, and I couldn't
find anything on it, whichmakes me question the validity

(35:56):
of a lot of these stories, whichI which is why I like this
podcast so much is because wealso like to ask the question is
this true?
Is this lore that was createdto create to make something more
interesting for, like, tourismand stuff like that?
I feel like there's somethingthere that we could discuss as
well.
So, supposedly, witnessesdescribe her as a graceful pal
and softly glowing, which whichyou stated like something

(36:19):
positive about her, but shenever speaks, which is weird
because a lot of performancerequires verbalization.
So it's interesting that she'sa quiet spirit.
Some believe she is the spiritof an actress who died just
before her final performance,which we discussed, and actors
have spotted her in the mirror.
There we go we're talking aboutmirrors again, that's
interesting mirrored duringmakeup session, only for her to

(36:42):
vanish when they turn around.
So we're we were just talkingabout the, the influence of
mirrors and the paranormal.
In the last episode, and hereit is getting brought up again,
a mirror is being utilized as aform of uh coming across an
apparition, right, so many claimher presence feels comforting,
which that's why I wouldn't mindstaying at the leptite.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm trying to be comforted now this one feels
like warm and fuzzy kind of this.
We need warm and fuzzy I likewarm and fuzzy, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And so, yeah, the lady in white, definitely more
warm and fuzzy.
It's still a tragic way to passaway, but at least she ended up
in a low, in an area where shefeels comforted in and, um, I
feel like she would like mypresence if I were to stay there
overnight.
Should I stay there overnight,bobby?
Should we stay at every?
episode and then we're going toalso revisit.

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We briefly uh touched it theshadow in the balcony.
So, as we've discussed, shadowshave a different energy as
opposed to an apparition.
So stagehands and late-nightcustodians often report seeing a
tall, shadowy figure sittingalong the balcony, especially
when the theater is empty anddark.

(37:54):
He never moves and he justwatches, Very voyeuristic.
Uh, when approach the sea isalways empty but sometimes warm
to the touch.
Some speculate it's the ghostof a longtime patron who died
during a show and never left.
Interesting, he died during ashow but never left.
So this let's talk about.

(38:16):
You're talking about coldspells, right, and it's usually
correlated with paranormalactivity, right?
I've never heard of warm.
I've never exactly and this isthis makes me want to ask the
question is it plausible thiswould be another question to ask
uh, dave and alora about this,because to me that seems to go
against the roles of cold, likea cold spell being attached to a

(38:37):
paranormal activity.
So the fact that they say it'sstill as warm to the touch.
It kind of also uh, what wouldbe the word for it?
It kind of uh, uh, contradictsthe concept of a shadow, a
figure giving you a sense ofwarmth.
I feel like a shadow figurewould be actually the type of

(38:57):
ghost that would cause a coldspell when nearby, right, I feel
like there's something todissect here and maybe over time
, I don't know.
I don't know if David or Laurawill be available for today's
episode, but there's definitelysomething here.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
We're going to save it for episode 10 with David and
Laura.
We're going to dissect a lot onthat.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, we're going to take a little bit of every
episode for episode 10.
Oh, that would be a greatoutline Going through each
episode.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
And dissecting.
I like that, oh, dude thatwould be a great episode.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I want to write that down too as well, but he never
moves and warm to the touch.
When you go to his, what do youthink Performers say they can
fill his eyes on them duringrehearsals, and we were talking
about that earlier, about theidea of like.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I wonder if there is good reasoning for these spirits
to be around this theater,because it kind of encourages
the performers to be the bestversion of themselves even when
nobody is watching yeah, I'vefelt that before that presence
and I think, if you're listeningright now, let us know down
below too, like if you'rewatching us on youtube right now
, please go leave a comment, letus know.
Like, have you had that feeling?

(39:59):
I, I've had that feeling, feltlike someone was watching us,
like I actually feel it in herelike we were saying a little bit
earlier in episode there feelslike there's some shit stuck in
here we need to say just place.
I think I don't think there'sanything negative here, though I
don't think it's just becausesomething's watching doesn't
mean it's negative, but I coulddefinitely feel something.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't feel, feel anything.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Like old school Hollywood in these buildings.
For sure, I think it's justbecause we're on like Fairfax.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, it could be a surrounding energy.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
It could be, but then again, he's so scared, he's so
scared, he's so scared.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
First off, I'm usually the first one here
before you pop in.
I know We've been through this,we've been through this, we've
been through this and I don'texperience anything.
Okay, let's go to our nextghost story, which is the
Laughing Girl.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, you want to tell this one.
I'm so exhausted talking aboutthe kids on it.
The kids.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
There's always a kid.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
There's always a little kid, but there's been no
deaths in the theater with a kidat all.
Yeah, and I think this isanother question for david and
laura, where there's there'sbeen no child death reported in
here.
But I do think maybe it's oneof the people who passed away,
maybe it's their relative ortheir kid that like is.
You know, I don't know, maybe Iwould.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I'm curious about that kind of how josh paul
described it in the risk theaterepisode, where he's like maybe
this was a place that the thelittle girl like truly loved
when she was a kid, when shepassed away, this is where her
spirit wanted to reside.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I think that's that one, but the story that I'm
interested to talk about andcover is because we did this in
the Salem episode, which isepisode two.
Make sure you go back in.
That was episode two.
Yeah, it was episode two, yeah,first one.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
It was like forever ago already.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, go back and listen to episode two.
We actually did some, uh, ghosthunting in our black craft
salem story, which there's agood video at the end.
We captured a lot of things andthere's some whispering, but,
yep, the whispering curtain.
This one's interesting to me,jake, because backstage crew and
actors alike have claimed tohear faint whispers behind the
stage curtains, especiallyduring quiet rehearsals.
Now this is interesting becausesome have heard their names

(41:53):
called out in a familiar voice,only to realize which has
happened to you, which hashappened to me, not here.
Not only has it happened to me,but it happened to, uh, in our
salem, in our salem location, bythe bank vault, which is no
well, yeah, it's bishop, butsomeone asked someone a question
they were talking to.
It was weird.
They only look around, no onewas around.
So this one's interesting.
And uh, one director halted aproduction when crew members

(42:13):
refused to go backstage alone.
Old legends say the whispersare from the spirits who still
want to be a part of.
And one director halted aproduction when crew members
refused to go backstage alone.
Old legends say the whispers arefrom the spirits who still want
to be a part of the performance, offering lines, notes or even
warnings.
Interesting and this issomething that I really truly
believe in.
So this one fascinates me,which again episode 10, write it
down we're going to be talkingto David and Laura.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
We'll dissect it a little bit more with David and
Laura.
What's really interesting aboutthis too, because we were just
talking about the LaLaurieepisode, where there was a
shadowy figure that hid behind acurtain, remember.
So there's a couple of commonnormalities that I seem to be
showcasing in the past eightepisodes Mirrors, curtains,
women in white and little girls.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
They're all a part of this weird paranormal paradigm
but I think they all could kindof be explained like as much as
I was shitting on them andjoking earlier I actually think
they kind of make sense to me.
I actually kind of get ituh-huh but I don't know, and I
got a lot of questions, I'mgonna say for david and laura,
even even jake, the other onewe're talking about here, the
phantom footstepssteps.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
This is kind of interesting because every
longtime employee of the theaterthey got a story about hearing
footsteps in a rafters or abovethe stage, even when no one is
up there, which would be the manthat probably fell from the
rafters back in the 1930s and40s.
Correct Because they say thatit's described as heavy boots
pacing slowly as it's inspectingfrom above Stage hand report

(43:39):
ropes swaying gently or lightsflickering in time with the
steps, the origins to believe tobe a stage hand who fell to his
death in the early 20th century.
Now this?
This takes me back to the ritzepisode with josh balls.
Episode was at three yep, verysimilar stories.
Theaters we're talking scranton, pennsylvania.
We're talking new orleans yep,very similar this.
This is kind of crazy.
That's interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
And I also want to throw into this, because we're
talking about the phantomapplause too as well, because we
were just talking about thatearlier.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oh God yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
You know what?
This is getting fucking crazy.
That's another question I wantto ask them what determines the
difference between an apparition, a shadowy figure and then a
phantom?
What exactly is a phantom incomparison to all these other?
What is a phantom?
I don't know phantom of theopera.
I want to research it, but Ikind of want to save it for
episode 10 because, like I said,we're newbies to all this.

(44:29):
We're we're not professionals.
We make this very clear onevery episode to your point.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
If you, if you are a professional or if you have more
info on this, make sure youleave a comment down below,
please.
We want to grow.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Make me a believer.
I feel like you're seeing allthese intricacies that are kind
of tied into one another withall these different locations.
Well, that's why.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I think it's real and it's making you skeptical a
little bit.
You don't think it's making youskeptical?
No, I was just kind of jokingon the beginning.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh, you don't think it could be a spectacle?
No, I was just kind of jokingon that.
Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I was starting to feel like no, I think even more
so.
It makes me even more of abeliever that Josh Balls, who
sat here with us episode threeand we talked about his theater,
the Ritz Theater and now we'redown in New Orleans.
Very similar things Not relatedJosh Balls doesn't know about
this shit.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
And it's just there's something to that.
You know what I mean.
Like there's something therewith that shit.
Man, this shit's real, like doyou believe in ghosts?
It's fucking real, it's here,it's scary, it's fascinating.
It's fascinating, it's a greatdiscussion.
It's a good discussion, I think, jake, as we're.
What is this?
Episode eight?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Episode eight.
I feel like You're starting tono, no, no, I have to be.
It has to be observable to me.
I get it, Jake.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I want to go to a place physically and experience
it myself, because unless Ican't just go by what I read
online or the research I make, Ihave to be involved in it.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
That's very fair.
You got to go there, yeah, yeah, no.
I think that's very fair.
That's actually your principle.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I think that's very fair If I can't see it, then I
don't believe it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
To an extent, to a degree, to some degree, yes, yes
, but I do think we need to goto these certain places and have
our own experiences.
Like we're definitely gearingto these DWP festivals and, as
we were talking about MansfieldState Prison, I mean, I did that
ghost tour.
Yep, I've experienced thecraziest shit.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I was touched by a ghost.
I've experienced it.
Do you think that, maybebecause there is a probability
that if there is ghosts and forsome reason they're shut off to
me, should we consider havingsomeone who's very prone to
experience paranormal activitybe with me, so then I can
experience it firsthand, becauseno that's you trying to get out
of you being scared no, no, no.
Actually it's not, because Ihave told you repeatedly that I

(46:47):
don't experience it when I'm onmy own.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
What I think we need to do is, like we said in a
couple episodes ago I think youneed to sit up straight there.
We go, don't, don't.
When he starts slouching,that's when he starts becoming
less believer, I think that'snot true?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I think you're sitting straight.
I have a tall torso and badposture.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
I think what we're going to do here is we're going
to send you in as a believer,right?
We're going to send you in asmore open.
We got it.
We got to open you up.
Open my portal.
Yeah, we need to open yourportal to this other dimension.
I think you need to go in therewith just I.
I do think from episode one toepisode now, I think you have
been seeing things differently.
I think I think there's somethings been going on, whether

(47:26):
you want to admit it or not.
Uh-huh, I think they've beeninteresting to you, where,
whereas before you to just shutit out, I think you are becoming
a little more open.
I'm not trying to make you abeliever.
You got to go to see it foryourself I'll let you believe
what you believe but I thinkyou're becoming a little bit
more of a believer.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I think that you love the idea that I'm coming around
.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm here for it, man.
I want to talk about the ghostlight.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I'm sorry, I really want to talk about the ghost
light.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
See how excited you're getting Old Jake would be
like it's not real.
Go on.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Well, these are fun because to me, like I said,
until I observe it personally,these are fun ghost stories to
me.
There, these are fun ghoststories to me, there's something
very interesting.
Well, not all fun.
I mean Lullary was not fun atall, but this is enticing to me
to discuss because this is atype of experience that I never

(48:19):
really experienced head on andpersonally, at least to a degree
that was convincing, and I liketalking about it and it's
fascinating and it doesn'tnecessarily mean I'm becoming a
believer.
It's just more so, man, thatthis is making me think about
things in a different way.
But it doesn't mean I'mconvinced yet it's just
fascinating to me what I'mlearning about you?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
is these guys got to let you get there on your own?
Yeah, let me get there on myown.
The ghost light.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
This is a slow burn.
The ghost light, the ghostlight.
So, like many history theaters,historical theaters, lepetit
maintains a single light leftglowing on stage overnight,
known as the ghost light.
It is more than a tradition,it's also a protection.
So they use this light as aform of protection.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Which then kind of coincides with the woman in
white being also a form ofprotection.
So it seems like this locationhas a very mostly positive aura
attached to it, energiesattached to it, and crews have
found the bulb unscrewed orsmashed by morning, so maybe it
is actually protecting thebuilding from something if
something is breaking the lightbulb by morning.

(49:19):
Interesting, and then camerasleft on stage during renovation
showed flickers of light andmovement near the ghost light
with no visible source, and onmore than one occasion the bulb
has lit itself during a blackout.
So when all electricity is cutoff, it's on.
You know what's reallyinteresting about that concept

(49:39):
Because, like I said I thinkI've mentioned this before about
the whole.
You know, energy neither beingcreated nor destroyed.
Do you think the perpetualstate of electricity around us
going at all times, do you feellike, if something like that,
like a blackout, were to occurwhere there's no electricity,
maybe the paranormal need to?

(50:01):
I don't know man, where do I?
Where do I?
Where do I?
You know where I'm going withthis?
say it one more time don't youfind it interesting that when
there's a blackout that theyresort to the one thing that
involves protection, which isthe light bulb, the light bulb
will turn on?
It seems like this is anotherthing I can talk about with
David and Laura is that it seemslike electricity is a huge

(50:25):
component on paranormal activityas well yeah because you're.
You're talking about the lightflickering over here.
I mean, what is the thing aboutelectricity that makes
paranormal want to gravitateitself towards?
You know, the light bulb eitherbeing broken by morning or it
also being responsible for thelight being turned on when
there's a blackout.
There's something there to bediscussed as well, because

(50:45):
electricity is, for the mostpart, invisible, as opposed to,
like the very brief moments yousee a lightning bolt in the sky
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
There's something interesting, but everything's,
but everything has energy to itno, everything has energy to it.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I think the part where I'm at right now is like
how cognitive is what we'retalking about?
How cognitive is it really, youknow?
And that's what fascinates me,that's why I like doing this
podcast, because it's not aboutnecessarily me trying to be a
believer.
It's about me trying tounderstand, I guess, the
philosophy behind paranormal,but also the probable science

(51:24):
behind why things happen the waythey happen.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, you know, and I think there's a good mix there
I think that's the reason why Iwanted to do this show too.
To be honest with you is like Ihave a lot of questions.
Do you ever feel?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
like some of the scary shit that happened to you
as a kid.
Don't you want to be able torationalize it as something as
more scientific, as opposed tobeing, like demonic or spiritual
or something like that?
Do you ever feel like youreally want that logical
explanation, as opposed to thelatter?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, I do actually.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Would you feel like you would sleep better at night?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I don't know if I sleep better, or I can't sleep
any worse.
But I mean, yeah, I reallywould like to know.
I guess it's kind of funny youput it like that.
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I have so many questions for david and laura I
do too.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The 10th episode I do too.
Well, this was episode eight.
This was a good one.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, this was this was a good one.
It's a short and sweet, short,sweet, full of light, to the
point, to the point.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Woman in white little girls laughing ghost figure,
ghost figures theater, footsteps, theater, someone falling off
the rafter, dying.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Lights left on dude, I don't think we should ever own
a theater.
Plot twist we're buying one Arewe Could be a good movie idea
Blackraft movie, oh, speaking ofwhich we need to put that in a
manifestation.
Also, I want to discuss thisthing.
I want to add to our Patreonthat I don't think I mentioned
yet, so I want to do extracontent.

(52:43):
Then I mentioned about doingthis thing called tells for my
ghost.
So I want to do these littlecool ghost stories and I want to
record it and do my musicbehind it.
I think I mentioned it early inthe episode.
I want to bring that up again.
I want to do you said the onethat was your idea.
I'm bringing it up againbecause I feel like it'll be a

(53:03):
really great extra content forthe Patreon.
It's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I like it.
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Speaker 2 (53:23):
you I'm not gonna tell you what you gotta do, but
patreoncom slash black craft andthank you so much for your
patience as we currently work onthe center society website.
There's some cold stuff to behappening with that too soon, so
just be patient with us.
It's going to be worth it.
Uh, worth the wait.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
There's a lot there's a lot of great stuff going on
right here.
Um well, jake, I think thisconcludes us down in new orleans
for now.
For now.
We just did three episodes downin New Orleans.
You can go back and listen toall the past episodes on Apple
Spotify.
If you're on YouTube, make sureyou give us a like, give us a
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Give us a little review.
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Speaker 2 (53:57):
Go on iTunes.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Go on over there.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Leave us a nice little review, go on over to
Spotify, leave us a five starand then, if you're on YouTube
go on over and comment us andlike the post because, we're
trying to make it to at least 12episodes.
Aiming high.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
We're going to have 100 episodes by October.
Oh, I just talked the row aboutkidding.
We're going to have 100episodes by October.
I just talked the row aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
If we were to average three episodes for the next 27
weeks, we'd be just shy of 100episodes, which means we better
step it up.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
We better step it up.
Speaking of next episode Jake,we are getting out of New
Orleans.
We're going so far away fromNew Orleans.
We're the fuck out of NewOrleans.
Where are we going?
We're going to montana.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I'm excited for this the reason why I chose montana
is one ghost town it's not wellone, we've never done a ghost
town yet.
And two, I absolutely adoremontana.
I did a vacation there, afour-day little trip, uh, to
visit my friend denied for fourdays, uh where's she at montana?
Bozeman, oh, bozeman, okay, andI absolutely fell in love with
montana.
So when I was doing uh uhresearch on what would be a cool

(55:05):
location, I was like not manypeople talk about Montana.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I like this one because I feel like there's some
good dive bars up there.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
So get your Marlboro Reds ready.
It's a ghost town.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Get your Bud Light beers ready.
Oh brother, get your Dad Rockplaylist ready.
Dad Rock, we're going to.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Montana.
We're going to Montana.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
I like this Thanks for joining us, episode 8.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Le.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Petit, I feel a lot better today than I do last
episode.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
This one wasn't drenched in misery and macabre
and horror.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
You're not wrong, we will see you for next episode,
absolutely love you.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
We will see you in.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Montana.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Montana.
Talk to you later.
Bye.