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We start off by discussing medical myths/traditions we should retire. We then talk about MTV personality Ananda Lewis, who died at age 52 from breast cancer after rejecting medical treatment in favor of detoxification.
We dive deep into why patients have lost trust in healthcare providers and how the medical credibility gap has widened dramatically in recent years. We conclude with Nii showing us his running equipment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rest in peace.
Ananda Lewis yeah yeah, anandaLewis used to be a personality
on MTV Died at the age of 52 ofbreast cancer.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
She had the opportunity to do a mastectomy
and she decided to want todetoxify her body as a way to
get rid of the tumor.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doctors are not necessarily seen as credible for
a number of different reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
There are self-inflicted things that the
medical community has done tothemselves, but also this is the
time Social media allowseverybody to have a voice, so
things that normally would notever get the light of day
Conspiracy theories, vaccinetheories they just
Disinformation.
Yeah rules the day Like crazy.
Yo yo yo.
What's good, everybody Backagain with another episode of Dr
(00:47):
S on the Box.
I'm your host, dr Ne.
I'm joined by my co-host.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Dr Rene.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yo, let's get into this, yo, because I'm tired.
I'm post-call, or not actuallypost-call, but I'm post-shift.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And I did four miles and I'm giving what.
That's why you were mia, that's.
Oh, this guy forgot he had afamily why are you?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I was running to the camera.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Why is?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
that close to the camera running.
Well, I can't tell sometimes,because I was looking at
something on my on my otherscreen, but I was on planet
fitness and I was doing fourmiles and it felt, um, I hate
running on a treadmill.
I've finally realized I don'tlike it.
Um, but where I'm at is not themost friendly for running, if
(01:37):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
there's no sidewalks.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's very industrial and Idon't trust people not to hit me
while I'm running on the sideof the road.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
If you don't, you know as a trauma surgeon, I can
see why you're not as trusting.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So yeah, listen before we, before we jump into
this episode, I just want togive you a shout out.
Folks, Me and Renee are workingon some things behind the
scenes.
There's some things that we'redoing that's in the box
Obviously clinical work but thenthere's also things that we do
outside the box and I'm superproud of the opportunities that
have kind of fallen to us overthese last nine years almost 10
(02:16):
years but last week we got anopportunity to try out for
something that I'm super proudof.
But I just want to quickly giveyou your props because you did
a really good job knocking thisthing out of the park and you
are excellent at this.
You have an amazing ability toyou know, connect with people
(02:37):
and to make people feel great,and you definitely the ace in
the hole.
So I just want to say shout outto you.
I can't share exactly Well, Ican't share what we did guys yet
, but maybe in the hole.
So I just want to say shout outto you.
I can't share exactly.
Well, I can't share what we didguys yet, but maybe in the near
future y'all will know what I'mtalking about.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But thank you, kudos.
Thank you, it's nice to be theace in the hole instead of the
asshole you see what I did therethings.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Those are the things that you do that like, just you
know, you just knock it out thepark.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That right there.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I did.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Keep doing it, keep doing it, okay, keep doing it.
Okay, that's how we're going toget all our subscribers on
YouTube, you know, but no, shoutout to you.
You got a gift, you got a gift.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So I'm going to pause and let you take a moment to
give me props.
Well, I want to give you ashout out for going to work and
bringing home money, because wecan't live without money.
So thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Thanks for doing that , okay.
Well you're welcome.
You did a great job.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, you did a great job, I got it.
Next section guys.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Man get out of here with that bullshit.
Hey, listen, we got a question.
I got a question too.
What is a medical myth ortradition you think we should
retire, and why?
Dr Renee, what is a medicalmyth or tradition you think we
should retire, and why?
(04:07):
Because I always ask goodquestions?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You don't ask good questions at all, so go ahead.
A medical myth or tradition youthink we should retire?
And why?
Because I always ask goodquestions.
You don't ask good questions atall, so go ahead.
A medical myth or tradition weshould retire yeah, we should
just like yo.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
We don't have to do this anymore.
Get rid of it 24 hour call okay, why?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I just think it's unnatural to ask people to be
awake for 24 hours.
I just think that that'sunnatural.
I don't think that humans workreally well being on call for 24
hours.
But, that's a controversial onebecause of the way I work.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You got the defense lawyers like yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know they paying attention,yo, they listen to the show.
I'm serious, they do.
I'm shocked at how many people,or different people, listen to
the show and what they preciselylisten to the show for.
It's actually kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I got to be careful what I say.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, guys, this is for edutainment purposes,
entertainment purposes only, solisten.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
We podding.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
We podding guys.
So if you decide to take actionon it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So what do you think should be retired?
Oh, now I'm asking goodquestions.
Now I'm asking good questions.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Renee, we know already, you ask horrible
questions.
Now I'm asking good questions.
Renee, we know already, you askhorrible questions.
What are you?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
talking about.
I don't even ask questions.
No, you don't.
Whatever, you just keep talkingso much.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So what is the what's ?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
the square root of 64 ?
Who's going?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
to win the championship next year.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's not the Knicks.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Before we get into the question, real quick shout
out to the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
For what?
Yo For playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yay, eastern Conference Finals.
The first time in over 20,almost 25 years that we've made
it this far, and I'm super proudto be back on the Knicks
bandwagon.
This was a great, great year.
But then y'all fucked it up andy'all fired the coach and the
Knicks.
This is like a game of Jengathat's the best way I could
(06:11):
describe it.
To me is, the Knicks are likeJenga.
So they have one really goodplayer, jalen Brunson, and they
brought in another star and Idon't think that he fits at all.
That's Carl Anthony Towns, eventhough he's from Jersey big
jurors, I just don't think hefits.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He doesn't play defense very well, why doesn't
he?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, because he's not yeah he doesn't play defense
, he's a good scorer, butthere's a difference between big
men and tall men, right?
Big men are like people whoimpose themselves, shaquille
o'neal, who are going tointimidate you and they're going
to score.
Tall men are people like, um.
Tall men are people likethey're really.
(06:56):
They're just as tall asshaquille o'neal, but they're
very skinny and lanky and theyprefer to shoot threes or prefer
to shoot like mid range jumpersas opposed to dominating down
in the key, and that's what CarlAnthony towns is, and he
doesn't play defense.
So I think what happened is theybrought in somebody the Knicks
over um, they, over um what'sthe word I want to use?
(07:19):
They.
They did better than what theywere supposed to do.
What's that?
That's over um, theyoverachieved, yeah, they
overachieved this year.
Plus, the celtics got shook andas a result, you know, they
made it to the easternconference finals.
And then they had to rely juston jalen brunson and he could be
very stagnant stagnant with theway how he holds the ball all
the time, or you give it to caranthony towns and he's shooting
(07:41):
threes.
And, long story short, we lostand then they fired the coach,
acting like it's the coach'sfault and it's not the coach's
fault, it's poor personnel.
They didn't put the goodpersonnel together, so we're
gonna see how the next couple ofyears goes, but I'm smelling
that they're trying to get KevinDurant.
I hope they don't bring KevinDurant, but that's what they're
trying to do that'll beinteresting, but shout out to
(08:02):
them.
Shout out to them, shout out tothem.
All right, so let me get back.
That gave me enough time tostall to answer this question.
Yes, medical myth or traditionyou think should retire.
Here's my thing.
You're going to laugh, but youknow, it's the truth.
What?
I think it should be easier toget into medical school, but it
should be harder to get out ofmedical school.
What does that mean?
(08:22):
I think that they should allowmore people to get into medical
school, right?
And I think that the rigors ofthe curriculum, the tests that
you have to take, as well as howto graduate, should be hard as
hell, right.
Because, I think that reallydifferentiates who really wants
(08:44):
to be a doctor versus who justwants to get into school just
because they want to make money,or who wants to get in school
because you know daddy orsomebody you know opened the
door for them, and so forth.
So I think that if you makemedical school a little bit
easier to get in, I think you'llend up getting really great
candidates because in order toget out like you really had to
(09:06):
do your work to get out andstuff.
That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's an interesting notion because of kind of the
history of medical schools andhow the MCAT came about, and I
think I've told this story onthe podcast before.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Tell us about it.
It's story time about and Ithink I've told this story on
the podcast before.
No, how it happened?
Tell us.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Tell us about it's story time it's story time, so I
believe it was right around the1940s when they started looking
at you know kind of the numbers, if you will, um for medical
school, and at that time,obviously, the demographic was
way different.
(09:47):
Right, it was more white mengetting into medical school, and
you know people of good, youknow wealthy economic status
those are the people gettinginto medical school, so just
keep that in mind.
But what was happening, though,was about 50% of people who got
(10:10):
into medical school essentiallyjust didn't finish or failing,
and so it was like okay, yeah, Iheard you say this.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, they would get in, but they would fail out A
lot of them, they would fail out, right.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So that kind of has some similarity to what you're
saying, like let a bunch ofpeople in and then let's just
see who finishes the race.
Yes, they.
But the problem is that there'sa lot of resources that go into
getting into or maintaining amedical school.
(10:43):
Right, there's a lot ofresources that go into that.
And so the question becomesokay, well, why do we have all
of these people taking theseseats when half of them are not
going to finish?
Why don't we just fill theseats with a bunch of people who
are going to finish?
And so what they ended up?
Well, the first thing that theydid was they gave the first year
(11:04):
medical students an exam.
I forget I think it was calledalmost kind of like the SAT.
I forget what it was calledlike a, almost like a scholastic
aptitude test.
And then they had the idea thatwait a minute, maybe we should
be testing them before they getinto medical school.
(11:24):
Oh, that's how it came about,and that's how you got the MCAT
right, the medical collegeadmissions test.
And so then it became morecompetitive to get into medical
school than to get out ofmedical school.
So my question for you is thisif you did make it that easy to
(11:47):
get into medical school, whatwould happen to those people and
what would happen to thoseseats if those people if you
have, like a large percentage ofpeople who fail out and
literally can't finish the race,what's the question again what
(12:08):
would happen to those people andto those seats if a large
percentage of people who nowcould get into medical school
really easily could not finish?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I don't know, but we about to find out.
Because when this big beautifulbill gets passed, there's going
to be motherfuckers droppingout of school.
I'm telling you right now andwhat are they going to do then?
Because when people have todrop out of school because they
can't get the loans to finishtheir education, there's going
to be a lot of people droppingout.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, but you really dodged it.
That was some old.
I didn't dodge it.
Yeah, that was a cable newsthat was a cable news dodge, if
I ain't never seen one before.
But yeah, I'll let you pass.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I'll leave it like this.
Here's my answer.
I think the biggest thingthat's going to happen is the
prestigiousness of being adoctor is going to go down.
You think so?
Any type of institution?
People don't give a damn aboutpilots.
People don't give a damn aboutI don't know whatever is super
(13:20):
important and stuff that we heldin high regard.
People don't give a damn aboutthat anymore.
And I think medicine is one ofthose things where people
distrust us.
And I'll go to chat GPT or I'llgo to Google and I'll figure
out this diagnosis by my damnself.
And you got freaking computersand people saying that, look,
I'll just use Watson or I'll usechat GPT to eventually figure
(13:41):
out, like, what diagnosis isgoing to be.
And you know we're using midlevels now to like primarily
take care of people.
Like, I think, if you madeschool a bit more easier but
harder to get out, I thinkthere's always going to be a
cause and effect, is alwaysgoing to be side effects, and
one of the side effects is goingto be hey, people are going to
not think as highly about medschool as they do because it's
(14:04):
so easy to get in, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So, yeah, gotcha, yeah, well, speaking so on that
vein, um, I don't know if that'sa bad thing, though Rest in
peace.
Ananda Lewis, no yeah, died atthe age of 52 of breast cancer
and, you know, I don't know whather prognosis would have been
(14:29):
had she not done what she did.
So, for those of you who don'tknow, ananda Lewis used to be a
personality on MTV, and this wasin the 90s.
Fine personality, yeah fine.
She was a beautiful woman, forsure.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yo, because I didn't know about it.
I didn't know about it when Iwas in high school because I
didn't have cable.
But when I got cable in collegeI was like who this?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What's her number?
Call me.
So yeah, so she was a prettypopular personality.
She was a VJ.
She was a VJ, yeah, she was aVJ.
Yeah, video jock on MTV.
Well, she got a diagnosis ofbreast cancer cancer.
(15:19):
I think she was in her 30s,right?
No, I think it was, or wasn'tshe in her?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
40s, I think it was recent it was okay, she got.
She got diagnosed like three orfour years ago oh yeah, yeah,
you're right, you're right.
Yes, she had the opportunityshe had the opportunity to to do
a mastectomy and she decidedthat the tumor was a combination
of toxins in her body, bothphysical as well as mental, and
(15:47):
she decided to want to detoxifyher body as a way to get rid of
the tumor.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And her rationale at that point was that she had seen
her mother get mammograms for30 some odd years and then end
up with breast cancer, notrealizing that the risk of the
radiation right it was not morethan the risk of getting cancer,
(16:26):
and so she decided to.
What she said was keep hertumor and, like you said, try to
detoxify herself.
And instead I mean we asdoctors know what happens
detoxify herself.
And instead I mean we asdoctors know what happens Her
cancer spread and she got tostage four and unfortunately she
passed.
I don't know if she ever got.
I don't know if she ever gotany treatment.
(16:48):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, I don't think we'll ever know that, but I
definitely want to say, you know, send my condolences to her
family, particularly her son.
You know, because her son is, Ithink, is a mid teenager, now
early teenager, and you know therest of his life will be
without his mom.
That's the part that's sad.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, that's the part that's really sad.
But you know, it just kind ofgoes to what you were saying,
that you know, medicine isn'tnecessarily seen as the
prestigious and credible, and Ithink that's the most important.
It's one thing to beprestigious, Prestigious, yeah,
(17:29):
it's like Jack and Jill, like oh, I'm a part of Jack and Jill
which you wanted to join guys,Everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
No, I didn't.
What are you?
You talking about?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I didn't even know about jack and jill until I was
like a third year in med school.
I didn't even know about jackand jill okay, um, found out
about jack and jill.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You're like, what is this?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I wanted to join.
I wanted to do my 16 year olddebutante ball, whatever the
hell they do, but for our kidsyou're like no, I didn't jack
and jill, we're moving back toJersey and stuff.
You know we're going to be inthe making.
Do they even have Jack and Jillin?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Jersey.
Yeah, they do Trust me.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
They do when they got Jack and Jill, they got Jack
and Jill Trust me when I tellyou I had never heard of Jack
and Jill until I was a thirdyear in med school.
I didn't know people did thingslike that.
But anyway, it's one thing tobe prestigious, right?
So having a reputation that islike, oh my goodness, you know,
(18:26):
everybody wants to be a part ofit or not, everybody can be a
part of it, it's, you know,exclusive or whatever.
It's one thing to beprestigious, it's another thing
to be perceived as credible ornot, right?
And I feel like at this point,kind of to the point that you
were making, that doctors arenot necessarily seen as credible
(18:47):
for a number of differentreasons, right, for a number of
different reasons.
We can't just put this on.
Well, you know, people outthere just don't want to listen
to doctors.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I think that there are a lot of things that have
contributed to that.
There are self-inflicted woundsor there are self-inflicted
things that the medicalcommunity has done to themselves
, but also this is the timeright.
This is the sign of the times.
Everybody has a voice and theway in which we communicate,
which is social media, inessence, is kind of
decentralized.
Right yeah, you ain't gotta,you ain't gotta, go to an
institution to get certain typesof things right.
(19:23):
As a result, social mediaallows everybody to have a voice
.
So things that normally wouldnot ever get like the light of
day conspiracy theories, rightscene theories, whatever it may
be now like they justdisinformation yeah rule the day
like crazy, like I was, like Iwas watching a little bit of
that.
Did you watch that thing with drmike where he was, um, he was
(19:46):
debating all of these people whowere like like anti-vaxxers I
don't know if they wereanti-vaxxers or they were like
severely like suspicious of likevaccinations and like like like
people gave them props.
But I'm just watching it.
I'm like you're not convincinganybody.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Right.
Who doesn't right?
You're not convincing anybodywho already has made up their
mind that they do not wantvaccines.
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like I think that there should be a caveat here
and say listen, is thereanything I can do to like change
your mind Right?
And if there's not, then likeI'm just walking away, cause
this is a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, you know, but I agree with you.
Basically, what's going on ispeople believe what they want to
believe.
You know, like we saw thatapparently that was the issue of
Tina Turner, where, you know,she had high blood pressure and
she was diabetic and she feltlike there was some holistic
methods that she could use toheal herself and then she
developed kidney failure andneeded to be on dialysis and
then, you know, it kind ofbrought a premature death to her
(20:44):
.
Right, these things happenRight and unfortunately it
sounds like with Ananda Lewis.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It was kind of the same thing.
It was kind of the same thing.
You know, I think there'ssomething to be said for having,
you know, holistic orhomeopathic type of treatments
that can work, depending on whatit is you're trying to treat,
(21:15):
right, if you're trying to treatcancer, if you're trying to
treat, you know, conditions thatjust really are just beyond the
scope of you know, just losesome weight, you know.
Or drink more water, like youknow, you can't lose weight and
drink water and think thatcancer is going to go away.
(21:40):
Right, like these.
You know tumors, even evenbenign tumors, like we see this
a lot in GYN with fibroids.
Right, like, oh, I'll shrink myfibroids by drinking, you know,
insert whatever thing they'regoing to drink here, insert
whatever thing they're going todrink here.
And it's funny because peoplewill say, people will go online
(22:07):
and say, yeah, I shrunk, myfibroids did shrink, or I did
the vaginal steaming and myfibroids fell out at the end.
And I'm like you know what'sreally funny, nobody has ever
live streamed, because, for asmuch as people like video and
live stream, nobody has evervideoed or live streamed their
fibroids falling out.
I would love to see thisbecause I've never seen it
(22:28):
before, and so I will believe itwhen I see it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
This is a kid-friendly show, so I can't
say nothing.
No, I get what you're sayingthough I get what you're saying,
right so?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think you know to me what it?
Nothing.
No, I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying, right.
So you know.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I think to me what it boils down to.
I hear your points.
I just think it comes down to acouple of things.
One people don't want to betold what to do.
Right, correct, there's a lotof people, there's a large
portion of people who don't wantto be told what to do anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So, and then I think there's a lot of people who are
scared of medical treatment.
Yes, so they would rather dosomething else that's less
invasive.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
but potentially ineffective.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
So if you have someone who mayhave cancer and you're like,
well, I'm going to try to getthe toxins out of my body by
doing this, it's like all right.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I mean, I just love the word toxins though.
Right, because people throwthrow that word around as if
it's like targeting somethingvery specific.
It's like, oh, I'm going to getthe toxins.
Okay, which toxin Like what?
Which toxin exactly are yougoing after?
Which toxins are like whichones?
(23:39):
Yeah, right, because if youknow anything about biochemistry
, right, everything don't bindto everything.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You know part of this .
This is a psyche type thing,right, like what's the state of
mind of our current, of peoplecurrently and stuff, and you
know this is the way how it is.
But I think we're going to haveto just just.
I think we're going to betalking in circles.
Yeah, situation.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So but yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But shout out to thoughts and prayers, t's and
P's, for the family of AnandaLewis.
Anybody who is friends withAnanda Lewis yeah, I mean, you
know I was joking around beforeand stuff, but you know like she
just played a role in a lot ofpeople's lives, like our
generation's lives in thenineties and the two thousands
(24:29):
and so forth.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, it's just very unfortunate that she left this
earth so young, so young so themortality of us also.
Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So, but something very interesting.
Let's change topics real quick.
Something interesting happenedto me at work today, something
surreal.
I went to the ER today and Ihad a couple of patients in an
emergency room and one of the ERdocs came up to me and was like
you're, dr Darko, I listen toyour podcast.
Docs outside the box, right.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And like he recognized your voice or your
face.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think it was the voice and it just caught me off
guard Because I'm like talking,like yeah, the potassium is this
and they're going to need a CTscan.
I was like, oh snap, it's likea scene from you know, coming to
America, right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh, my goodness, oh my goodness, oh my goodness, it
is you.
I cannot believe it.
Greetings your Highness, please, please stop bowing please.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Oh, my goodness, I am a royal member of Zumbaunda,
right, like no.
You should make that arequirement.
Shout out if you remember thatshow, alfred, that's a great
scene, isn't that a great scene?
Yeah, that's a great scene.
Yeah, but no, it caught me offguard because I was just like
(26:03):
dang.
Like I said, I'm talking rightnow in an extended stay and I'm
looking, you know, into thekitchen a messy kitchen, right
and you know you get shockedthat people listen to the show.
Yeah, you know you get shockedthat people listen to the show
(26:29):
no-transcript.
No, no, no, I'm not going togive her a name, no, because she
didn't want that.
And I just also want to sayshe's doing locums also.
She's been working in the ER asan employed doc for several,
several years and, like, this isher first job as a locums doc
and she oh nice, she loves itshe loves it Nice.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Was it because the doc's outside the box?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I don't know, I didn't really ask that question.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You've got to be asking that question.
You got to take the creditwhere the credit is due.
I didn't ask that question butI did ask.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I was like a subscribe, stop playing, give us
a comment, give us a comment.
So I just want to give a shoutout to her.
I do want to ask you a question.
Oh man, I'm running blank onthis question.
Let me go to my notes.
Hold on, let me go to my notes.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, I went blank on this question that I have.
Well, let's end this segmentright now and then maybe, when
we come back to the next segment, you will remember your
question.
Oh yeah, what are we talkingabout next?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
next, let's talk about real quick the running
equipment that I use, becausepeople at work I've been kind of
showing off some of the stuffthat I've been using, so I
bought these right here theseare called Open Shocks right
here and these are headphonesthat you put right around your
ear and they're excellent.
They're bone conductionearphones Right, and I've been,
(28:06):
for the last several years, beenstruggling with trying to find
a pair of headphones earbudsthat were really good for
running, really good for liftingweights.
I have Beats Studio Pros.
Let me find them real quick.
Hold on a second.
I have Beats Studio Pros thatjust came out and these are okay
(28:32):
.
They clip on the ear, right Onthe side of my ear.
The problem is when I sweat orwhen I run, they come out.
They don't fit.
I have one of those weirdshaped ears that the buds that
you're wearing.
those would never stay in my ear, so I don't know if I have a
birth defect or something likethat.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
But these open shocks are amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't know why those earbuds don't stay, but
this right here, you put itaround your ear.
It doesn't go into your earcanal, it goes right on the side
here on the temple and then itconducts right, it does, goes
through bone conduction and youcan hear everything very loud.
And then also, the same time,your ear canals open, you can
hear to your surroundingcommunity.
(29:13):
You know, you can hear carsdriving by, you can hear people
talking.
It's amazing, it's amazing.
And then the last thing Iwanted to talk about was these
right here, these shoes righthere, that I've been making fun
of people the entire time in thehospital.
Hokas, these are hoka clifton's.
Yeah, these look tacky as hell,they look.
(29:35):
Yeah, these are sneakers.
Oh, yeah, that's true, peopleare.
What do you call?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
it yo.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So these shoes that I've been like clowning people
for wearing, like you see, lookhow thick like the sole is.
Even I look and I'm like theydon't look sexy though, Right,
but the cushioning on this babyNene, the cushioning on these
are amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What's so great about the cushion?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
When I run on these, I feel like I'm running on air,
I feel like I'm running onclouds.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They feel amazing, oh and so you bought yourself a
pair, but you didn't buy me apair.
Well, these are running shoes.
You don't run, right?
Maybe I would run if you boughtme some hokas.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay, well, I'll take you with me to the store next
time and see if you'reinterested in getting some.
Oh, okay, okay, no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So how do you think that?
How do you think, I mean, hasit improved your running game so
far?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Oh, renee, I'm not even on the front Like, so.
I have had this issue with mycalf and my Achilles, where they
just feel tight all the time,and you know, maybe it takes me
like a mile and a half to getwarm, but with these shoes, like
, I don't feel any issues withmy calf at all.
You remember how it was likeyeah, I remember the whole point
(31:23):
of me doing like T25, the wholepoint of me doing all of these
different hit type workouts isbecause every time I would go
for a run, like after a mile,I'll catch a really bad cramp in
my calf.
Now, the one thing that wedidn't talk about is I started
seeing a physical therapist whohelped me strengthen my calf.
Like my, particularly my leftcalf was really weak so I
(31:44):
started strengthening the calfcalf and that's gotten stronger.
But just in general, likerunning in these shoes, like I
get warmer, faster I'm I feelbetter support and you know I'm
running more miles because I'mmore consistent, but it's not as
painful the other shoes that Iwas wearing they have, don't.
They're so hard.
I feel like everything on theground.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You feel like the impact.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh yeah, I feel the impact with everything Now when
I use my other shoes to work outin.
Those shoes I use to work outin, I can't even run in them
anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It's the shoes Got to be.
The shoes Got to be the shoesyo Got to be the shoes, got to
be the shoes, got to be theshoes.
Ok, ok.
So the bone conduction.
I guess you call that anearpiece.
What do they call it?
Headphones?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's like headphones and stuff.
Look at you trying to askquestions.
But yeah, like these.
These things are.
They're good, I like them.
These are they're good, I likethem.
These are the best pickup I'vehad.
These cost 125 bucks and thebattery life on it is amazing
like I will go for a five milerun if I start a hundred percent
.
I go on a five mile run and Ilisten to music continuously.
By the time I finish my run I'mat like 90 are they?
(33:00):
waterproof.
These are waterproof, or Ithink these are water resistant,
but they make one that you cango into a pool.
What these are for swimmers,they have one that's for
swimmers, and then the reasonthat they're cool, too, is the
one for swimmers.
You can program music into it.
Right, because if there's musicthat can be programmed into it,
(33:20):
then you don't need a phone toswim.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Imagine if you're swimming.
They're not going to come off.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
No, I run with this for five miles.
They don't come off.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Okay, but you also don't have hair.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Someone mentioned that at work too, there's one
girl I was tele-talking to.
She was like yeah, I got hair.
Who?
That's your work wife?
No.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Why you look like that to me Damn.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, and don't get me in trouble too, because like
people be listening to the show,you the one talking about you,
the one talking about in thelast episode.
I didn't say I had a work wife.
I didn't say.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You said you had a work wife.
You said people had a work wife, people have work wives.
You said that about what?
Two weeks ago?
You were like, yeah, peoplehave work wives.
I just I gotta make sure Iain't got one.
I gotta make sure I'll bepopping up on you, knock, knock,
knock.
Is that your address?
(34:20):
Is that your address?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
All right, all right.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
All right, all right.
Now we're going to really endthis segment.
Okay, we're going to talk nextabout the big beautiful bill, or
whatever the hell they call it,but this time we're going to be
talking about it from thestandpoint of physician shortage
.
So we will see you in the nextsegment.
Make sure to join us.
Rest in peace.
Ananda Lewis yeah yeah, anandaLewis used to be a personality
on MTV Died at the age of 52 ofbreast cancer.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
She had the opportunity to do a mastectomy
and she decided to want todetoxify her body as a way to
get rid of the tumor.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doctors are not necessarily seen as credible for
a number of different reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
There are self-inflicted things that the
medical community has done tothemselves, but also this is the
time Social media allowseverybody to have a voice, so
things that normally would notever get the light of day
Conspiracy theories, vaccinetheories they just
Disinformation.
Yeah rules the day Like crazy.
Yo yo yo.
What's good, everybody Backagain with another episode of Dr
(00:47):
S on the Box.
I'm your host, dr Ne.
I'm joined by my co-host.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Dr Rene.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yo, let's get into this, yo, because I'm tired.
I'm post-call, or not actuallypost-call, but I'm post-shift.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And I did four miles and I'm giving what.
That's why you were mia, that's.
Oh, this guy forgot he had afamily why are you?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I was running to the camera.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Why is?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
that close to the camera running.
Well, I can't tell sometimes,because I was looking at
something on my on my otherscreen, but I was on planet
fitness and I was doing fourmiles and it felt, um, I hate
running on a treadmill.
I've finally realized I don'tlike it.
Um, but where I'm at is not themost friendly for running, if
(01:37):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
there's no sidewalks.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's very industrial and Idon't trust people not to hit me
while I'm running on the sideof the road.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
If you don't, you know as a trauma surgeon, I can
see why you're not as trusting.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So yeah, listen before we, before we jump into
this episode, I just want togive you a shout out.
Folks, Me and Renee are workingon some things behind the
scenes.
There's some things that we'redoing that's in the box
Obviously clinical work but thenthere's also things that we do
outside the box and I'm superproud of the opportunities that
have kind of fallen to us overthese last nine years almost 10
(02:16):
years but last week we got anopportunity to try out for
something that I'm super proudof.
But I just want to quickly giveyou your props because you did
a really good job knocking thisthing out of the park and you
are excellent at this.
You have an amazing ability toyou know, connect with people
(02:37):
and to make people feel great,and you definitely the ace in
the hole.
So I just want to say shout outto you.
I can't share exactly Well, Ican't share what we did guys yet
, but maybe in the hole.
So I just want to say shout outto you.
I can't share exactly.
Well, I can't share what we didguys yet, but maybe in the near
future y'all will know what I'mtalking about.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But thank you, kudos.
Thank you, it's nice to be theace in the hole instead of the
asshole you see what I did therethings.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Those are the things that you do that like, just you
know, you just knock it out thepark.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That right there.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I did.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Keep doing it, keep doing it, okay, keep doing it.
Okay, that's how we're going toget all our subscribers on
YouTube, you know, but no, shoutout to you.
You got a gift, you got a gift.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So I'm going to pause and let you take a moment to
give me props.
Well, I want to give you ashout out for going to work and
bringing home money, because wecan't live without money.
So thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Thanks for doing that , okay.
Well you're welcome.
You did a great job.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, you did a great job, I got it.
Next section guys.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Man get out of here with that bullshit.
Hey, listen, we got a question.
I got a question too.
What is a medical myth ortradition you think we should
retire, and why?
Dr Renee, what is a medicalmyth or tradition you think we
should retire, and why?
(04:07):
Because I always ask goodquestions?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You don't ask good questions at all, so go ahead.
A medical myth or tradition youthink we should retire?
And why?
Because I always ask goodquestions.
You don't ask good questions atall, so go ahead.
A medical myth or tradition weshould retire yeah, we should
just like yo.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
We don't have to do this anymore.
Get rid of it 24 hour call okay, why?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I just think it's unnatural to ask people to be
awake for 24 hours.
I just think that that'sunnatural.
I don't think that humans workreally well being on call for 24
hours.
But, that's a controversial onebecause of the way I work.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You got the defense lawyers like yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know they paying attention,yo, they listen to the show.
I'm serious, they do.
I'm shocked at how many people,or different people, listen to
the show and what they preciselylisten to the show for.
It's actually kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I got to be careful what I say.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, guys, this is for edutainment purposes,
entertainment purposes only, solisten.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
We podding.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
We podding guys.
So if you decide to take actionon it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So what do you think should be retired?
Oh, now I'm asking goodquestions.
Now I'm asking good questions.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Renee, we know already, you ask horrible
questions.
Now I'm asking good questions.
Renee, we know already, you askhorrible questions.
What are you?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
talking about.
I don't even ask questions.
No, you don't.
Whatever, you just keep talkingso much.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So what is the what's ?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
the square root of 64 ?
Who's going?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
to win the championship next year.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's not the Knicks.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Before we get into the question, real quick shout
out to the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
For what?
Yo For playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yay, eastern Conference Finals.
The first time in over 20,almost 25 years that we've made
it this far, and I'm super proudto be back on the Knicks
bandwagon.
This was a great, great year.
But then y'all fucked it up andy'all fired the coach and the
Knicks.
This is like a game of Jengathat's the best way I could
(06:11):
describe it.
To me is, the Knicks are likeJenga.
So they have one really goodplayer, jalen Brunson, and they
brought in another star and Idon't think that he fits at all.
That's Carl Anthony Towns, eventhough he's from Jersey big
jurors, I just don't think hefits.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He doesn't play defense very well, why doesn't
he?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, because he's not yeah he doesn't play defense
, he's a good scorer, butthere's a difference between big
men and tall men, right?
Big men are like people whoimpose themselves, shaquille
o'neal, who are going tointimidate you and they're going
to score.
Tall men are people like, um.
Tall men are people likethey're really.
(06:56):
They're just as tall asshaquille o'neal, but they're
very skinny and lanky and theyprefer to shoot threes or prefer
to shoot like mid range jumpersas opposed to dominating down
in the key, and that's what CarlAnthony towns is, and he
doesn't play defense.
So I think what happened is theybrought in somebody the Knicks
over um, they, over um what'sthe word I want to use?
(07:19):
They.
They did better than what theywere supposed to do.
What's that?
That's over um, theyoverachieved, yeah, they
overachieved this year.
Plus, the celtics got shook andas a result, you know, they
made it to the easternconference finals.
And then they had to rely juston jalen brunson and he could be
very stagnant stagnant with theway how he holds the ball all
the time, or you give it to caranthony towns and he's shooting
(07:41):
threes.
And, long story short, we lostand then they fired the coach,
acting like it's the coach'sfault and it's not the coach's
fault, it's poor personnel.
They didn't put the goodpersonnel together, so we're
gonna see how the next couple ofyears goes, but I'm smelling
that they're trying to get KevinDurant.
I hope they don't bring KevinDurant, but that's what they're
trying to do that'll beinteresting, but shout out to
(08:02):
them.
Shout out to them, shout out tothem.
All right, so let me get back.
That gave me enough time tostall to answer this question.
Yes, medical myth or traditionyou think should retire.
Here's my thing.
You're going to laugh, but youknow, it's the truth.
What?
I think it should be easier toget into medical school, but it
should be harder to get out ofmedical school.
What does that mean?
(08:22):
I think that they should allowmore people to get into medical
school, right?
And I think that the rigors ofthe curriculum, the tests that
you have to take, as well as howto graduate, should be hard as
hell, right.
Because, I think that reallydifferentiates who really wants
(08:44):
to be a doctor versus who justwants to get into school just
because they want to make money,or who wants to get in school
because you know daddy orsomebody you know opened the
door for them, and so forth.
So I think that if you makemedical school a little bit
easier to get in, I think you'llend up getting really great
candidates because in order toget out like you really had to
(09:06):
do your work to get out andstuff.
That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's an interesting notion because of kind of the
history of medical schools andhow the MCAT came about, and I
think I've told this story onthe podcast before.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Tell us about it.
It's story time about and Ithink I've told this story on
the podcast before.
No, how it happened?
Tell us.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Tell us about it's story time it's story time, so I
believe it was right around the1940s when they started looking
at you know kind of the numbers, if you will, um for medical
school, and at that time,obviously, the demographic was
way different.
(09:47):
Right, it was more white mengetting into medical school, and
you know people of good, youknow wealthy economic status
those are the people gettinginto medical school, so just
keep that in mind.
But what was happening, though,was about 50% of people who got
(10:10):
into medical school essentiallyjust didn't finish or failing,
and so it was like okay, yeah, Iheard you say this.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, they would get in, but they would fail out A
lot of them, they would fail out, right.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So that kind of has some similarity to what you're
saying, like let a bunch ofpeople in and then let's just
see who finishes the race.
Yes, they.
But the problem is that there'sa lot of resources that go into
getting into or maintaining amedical school.
(10:43):
Right, there's a lot ofresources that go into that.
And so the question becomesokay, well, why do we have all
of these people taking theseseats when half of them are not
going to finish?
Why don't we just fill theseats with a bunch of people who
are going to finish?
And so what they ended up?
Well, the first thing that theydid was they gave the first year
(11:04):
medical students an exam.
I forget I think it was calledalmost kind of like the SAT.
I forget what it was calledlike a, almost like a scholastic
aptitude test.
And then they had the idea thatwait a minute, maybe we should
be testing them before they getinto medical school.
(11:24):
Oh, that's how it came about,and that's how you got the MCAT
right, the medical collegeadmissions test.
And so then it became morecompetitive to get into medical
school than to get out ofmedical school.
So my question for you is thisif you did make it that easy to
(11:47):
get into medical school, whatwould happen to those people and
what would happen to thoseseats if those people if you
have, like a large percentage ofpeople who fail out and
literally can't finish the race,what's the question again what
(12:08):
would happen to those people andto those seats if a large
percentage of people who nowcould get into medical school
really easily could not finish?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I don't know, but we about to find out.
Because when this big beautifulbill gets passed, there's going
to be motherfuckers droppingout of school.
I'm telling you right now andwhat are they going to do then?
Because when people have todrop out of school because they
can't get the loans to finishtheir education, there's going
to be a lot of people droppingout.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, but you really dodged it.
That was some old.
I didn't dodge it.
Yeah, that was a cable newsthat was a cable news dodge, if
I ain't never seen one before.
But yeah, I'll let you pass.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I'll leave it like this.
Here's my answer.
I think the biggest thingthat's going to happen is the
prestigiousness of being adoctor is going to go down.
You think so?
Any type of institution?
People don't give a damn aboutpilots.
People don't give a damn aboutI don't know whatever is super
(13:20):
important and stuff that we heldin high regard.
People don't give a damn aboutthat anymore.
And I think medicine is one ofthose things where people
distrust us.
And I'll go to chat GPT or I'llgo to Google and I'll figure
out this diagnosis by my damnself.
And you got freaking computersand people saying that, look,
I'll just use Watson or I'll usechat GPT to eventually figure
(13:41):
out, like, what diagnosis isgoing to be.
And you know we're using midlevels now to like primarily
take care of people.
Like, I think, if you madeschool a bit more easier but
harder to get out, I thinkthere's always going to be a
cause and effect, is alwaysgoing to be side effects, and
one of the side effects is goingto be hey, people are going to
not think as highly about medschool as they do because it's
(14:04):
so easy to get in, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So, yeah, gotcha, yeah, well, speaking so on that
vein, um, I don't know if that'sa bad thing, though Rest in
peace.
Ananda Lewis, no yeah, died atthe age of 52 of breast cancer
and, you know, I don't know whather prognosis would have been
(14:29):
had she not done what she did.
So, for those of you who don'tknow, ananda Lewis used to be a
personality on MTV, and this wasin the 90s.
Fine personality, yeah fine.
She was a beautiful woman, forsure.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yo, because I didn't know about it.
I didn't know about it when Iwas in high school because I
didn't have cable.
But when I got cable in collegeI was like who this?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What's her number?
Call me.
So yeah, so she was a prettypopular personality.
She was a VJ.
She was a VJ, yeah, she was aVJ.
Yeah, video jock on MTV.
Well, she got a diagnosis ofbreast cancer cancer.
(15:19):
I think she was in her 30s,right?
No, I think it was, or wasn'tshe in her?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
40s, I think it was recent it was okay, she got.
She got diagnosed like three orfour years ago oh yeah, yeah,
you're right, you're right.
Yes, she had the opportunityshe had the opportunity to to do
a mastectomy and she decidedthat the tumor was a combination
of toxins in her body, bothphysical as well as mental, and
(15:47):
she decided to want to detoxifyher body as a way to get rid of
the tumor.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And her rationale at that point was that she had seen
her mother get mammograms for30 some odd years and then end
up with breast cancer, notrealizing that the risk of the
radiation right it was not morethan the risk of getting cancer,
(16:26):
and so she decided to.
What she said was keep hertumor and, like you said, try to
detoxify herself.
And instead I mean we asdoctors know what happens
detoxify herself.
And instead I mean we asdoctors know what happens Her
cancer spread and she got tostage four and unfortunately she
passed.
I don't know if she ever got.
I don't know if she ever gotany treatment.
(16:48):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, I don't think we'll ever know that, but I
definitely want to say, you know, send my condolences to her
family, particularly her son.
You know, because her son is, Ithink, is a mid teenager, now
early teenager, and you know therest of his life will be
without his mom.
That's the part that's sad.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, that's the part that's really sad.
But you know, it just kind ofgoes to what you were saying,
that you know, medicine isn'tnecessarily seen as the
prestigious and credible, and Ithink that's the most important.
It's one thing to beprestigious, Prestigious, yeah,
(17:29):
it's like Jack and Jill, like oh, I'm a part of Jack and Jill
which you wanted to join guys,Everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
No, I didn't.
What are you?
You talking about?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I didn't even know about jack and jill until I was
like a third year in med school.
I didn't even know about jackand jill okay, um, found out
about jack and jill.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You're like, what is this?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I wanted to join.
I wanted to do my 16 year olddebutante ball, whatever the
hell they do, but for our kidsyou're like no, I didn't jack
and jill, we're moving back toJersey and stuff.
You know we're going to be inthe making.
Do they even have Jack and Jillin?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Jersey.
Yeah, they do Trust me.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
They do when they got Jack and Jill, they got Jack
and Jill Trust me when I tellyou I had never heard of Jack
and Jill until I was a thirdyear in med school.
I didn't know people did thingslike that.
But anyway, it's one thing tobe prestigious, right?
So having a reputation that islike, oh my goodness, you know,
(18:26):
everybody wants to be a part ofit or not, everybody can be a
part of it, it's, you know,exclusive or whatever.
It's one thing to beprestigious, it's another thing
to be perceived as credible ornot, right?
And I feel like at this point,kind of to the point that you
were making, that doctors arenot necessarily seen as credible
(18:47):
for a number of differentreasons, right, for a number of
different reasons.
We can't just put this on.
Well, you know, people outthere just don't want to listen
to doctors.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I think that there are a lot of things that have
contributed to that.
There are self-inflicted woundsor there are self-inflicted
things that the medicalcommunity has done to themselves
, but also this is the timeright.
This is the sign of the times.
Everybody has a voice and theway in which we communicate,
which is social media, inessence, is kind of
decentralized.
Right yeah, you ain't gotta,you ain't gotta, go to an
institution to get certain typesof things right.
(19:23):
As a result, social mediaallows everybody to have a voice
.
So things that normally wouldnot ever get like the light of
day conspiracy theories, rightscene theories, whatever it may
be now like they justdisinformation yeah rule the day
like crazy, like I was, like Iwas watching a little bit of
that.
Did you watch that thing with drmike where he was, um, he was
(19:46):
debating all of these people whowere like like anti-vaxxers I
don't know if they wereanti-vaxxers or they were like
severely like suspicious of likevaccinations and like like like
people gave them props.
But I'm just watching it.
I'm like you're not convincinganybody.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Right.
Who doesn't right?
You're not convincing anybodywho already has made up their
mind that they do not wantvaccines.
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like I think that there should be a caveat here
and say listen, is thereanything I can do to like change
your mind Right?
And if there's not, then likeI'm just walking away, cause
this is a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, you know, but I agree with you.
Basically, what's going on ispeople believe what they want to
believe.
You know, like we saw thatapparently that was the issue of
Tina Turner, where, you know,she had high blood pressure and
she was diabetic and she feltlike there was some holistic
methods that she could use toheal herself and then she
developed kidney failure andneeded to be on dialysis and
then, you know, it kind ofbrought a premature death to her
(20:44):
.
Right, these things happenRight and unfortunately it
sounds like with Ananda Lewis.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It was kind of the same thing.
It was kind of the same thing.
You know, I think there'ssomething to be said for having,
you know, holistic orhomeopathic type of treatments
that can work, depending on whatit is you're trying to treat,
(21:15):
right, if you're trying to treatcancer, if you're trying to
treat, you know, conditions thatjust really are just beyond the
scope of you know, just losesome weight, you know.
Or drink more water, like youknow, you can't lose weight and
drink water and think thatcancer is going to go away.
(21:40):
Right, like these.
You know tumors, even evenbenign tumors, like we see this
a lot in GYN with fibroids.
Right, like, oh, I'll shrink myfibroids by drinking, you know,
insert whatever thing they'regoing to drink here, insert
whatever thing they're going todrink here.
And it's funny because peoplewill say, people will go online
(22:07):
and say, yeah, I shrunk, myfibroids did shrink, or I did
the vaginal steaming and myfibroids fell out at the end.
And I'm like you know what'sreally funny, nobody has ever
live streamed, because, for asmuch as people like video and
live stream, nobody has evervideoed or live streamed their
fibroids falling out.
I would love to see thisbecause I've never seen it
(22:28):
before, and so I will believe itwhen I see it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
This is a kid-friendly show, so I can't
say nothing.
No, I get what you're sayingthough I get what you're saying,
right so?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think you know to me what it?
Nothing.
No, I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying, right.
So you know.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I think to me what it boils down to.
I hear your points.
I just think it comes down to acouple of things.
One people don't want to betold what to do.
Right, correct, there's a lotof people, there's a large
portion of people who don't wantto be told what to do anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So, and then I think there's a lot of people who are
scared of medical treatment.
Yes, so they would rather dosomething else that's less
invasive.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
but potentially ineffective.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
So if you have someone who mayhave cancer and you're like,
well, I'm going to try to getthe toxins out of my body by
doing this, it's like all right.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I mean, I just love the word toxins though.
Right, because people throwthrow that word around as if
it's like targeting somethingvery specific.
It's like, oh, I'm going to getthe toxins.
Okay, which toxin Like what?
Which toxin exactly are yougoing after?
Which toxins are like whichones?
(23:39):
Yeah, right, because if youknow anything about biochemistry
, right, everything don't bindto everything.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You know part of this .
This is a psyche type thing,right, like what's the state of
mind of our current, of peoplecurrently and stuff, and you
know this is the way how it is.
But I think we're going to haveto just just.
I think we're going to betalking in circles.
Yeah, situation.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So but yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But shout out to thoughts and prayers, t's and
P's, for the family of AnandaLewis.
Anybody who is friends withAnanda Lewis yeah, I mean, you
know I was joking around beforeand stuff, but you know like she
just played a role in a lot ofpeople's lives, like our
generation's lives in thenineties and the two thousands
(24:29):
and so forth.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, it's just very unfortunate that she left this
earth so young, so young so themortality of us also.
Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So, but something very interesting.
Let's change topics real quick.
Something interesting happenedto me at work today, something
surreal.
I went to the ER today and Ihad a couple of patients in an
emergency room and one of the ERdocs came up to me and was like
you're, dr Darko, I listen toyour podcast.
Docs outside the box, right.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And like he recognized your voice or your
face.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think it was the voice and it just caught me off
guard Because I'm like talking,like yeah, the potassium is this
and they're going to need a CTscan.
I was like, oh snap, it's likea scene from you know, coming to
America, right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh, my goodness, oh my goodness, oh my goodness, it
is you.
I cannot believe it.
Greetings your Highness, please, please stop bowing please.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Oh, my goodness, I am a royal member of Zumbaunda,
right, like no.
You should make that arequirement.
Shout out if you remember thatshow, alfred, that's a great
scene, isn't that a great scene?
Yeah, that's a great scene.
Yeah, but no, it caught me offguard because I was just like
(26:03):
dang.
Like I said, I'm talking rightnow in an extended stay and I'm
looking, you know, into thekitchen a messy kitchen, right
and you know you get shockedthat people listen to the show.
Yeah, you know you get shockedthat people listen to the show
(26:29):
no-transcript.
No, no, no, I'm not going togive her a name, no, because she
didn't want that.
And I just also want to sayshe's doing locums also.
She's been working in the ER asan employed doc for several,
several years and, like, this isher first job as a locums doc
and she oh nice, she loves itshe loves it Nice.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Was it because the doc's outside the box?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I don't know, I didn't really ask that question.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You've got to be asking that question.
You got to take the creditwhere the credit is due.
I didn't ask that question butI did ask.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I was like a subscribe, stop playing, give us
a comment, give us a comment.
So I just want to give a shoutout to her.
I do want to ask you a question.
Oh man, I'm running blank onthis question.
Let me go to my notes.
Hold on, let me go to my notes.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, I went blank on this question that I have.
Well, let's end this segmentright now and then maybe, when
we come back to the next segment, you will remember your
question.
Oh yeah, what are we talkingabout next?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
next, let's talk about real quick the running
equipment that I use, becausepeople at work I've been kind of
showing off some of the stuffthat I've been using, so I
bought these right here theseare called Open Shocks right
here and these are headphonesthat you put right around your
ear and they're excellent.
They're bone conductionearphones Right, and I've been,
(28:06):
for the last several years, beenstruggling with trying to find
a pair of headphones earbudsthat were really good for
running, really good for liftingweights.
I have Beats Studio Pros.
Let me find them real quick.
Hold on a second.
I have Beats Studio Pros thatjust came out and these are okay
(28:32):
.
They clip on the ear, right Onthe side of my ear.
The problem is when I sweat orwhen I run, they come out.
They don't fit.
I have one of those weirdshaped ears that the buds that
you're wearing.
those would never stay in my ear, so I don't know if I have a
birth defect or something likethat.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
But these open shocks are amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't know why those earbuds don't stay, but
this right here, you put itaround your ear.
It doesn't go into your earcanal, it goes right on the side
here on the temple and then itconducts right, it does, goes
through bone conduction and youcan hear everything very loud.
And then also, the same time,your ear canals open, you can
hear to your surroundingcommunity.
(29:13):
You know, you can hear carsdriving by, you can hear people
talking.
It's amazing, it's amazing.
And then the last thing Iwanted to talk about was these
right here, these shoes righthere, that I've been making fun
of people the entire time in thehospital.
Hokas, these are hoka clifton's.
Yeah, these look tacky as hell,they look.
(29:35):
Yeah, these are sneakers.
Oh, yeah, that's true, peopleare.
What do you call?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
it yo.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So these shoes that I've been like clowning people
for wearing, like you see, lookhow thick like the sole is.
Even I look and I'm like theydon't look sexy though, Right,
but the cushioning on this babyNene, the cushioning on these
are amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What's so great about the cushion?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
When I run on these, I feel like I'm running on air,
I feel like I'm running onclouds.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They feel amazing, oh and so you bought yourself a
pair, but you didn't buy me apair.
Well, these are running shoes.
You don't run, right?
Maybe I would run if you boughtme some hokas.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay, well, I'll take you with me to the store next
time and see if you'reinterested in getting some.
Oh, okay, okay, no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So how do you think that?
How do you think, I mean, hasit improved your running game so
far?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Oh, renee, I'm not even on the front Like, so.
I have had this issue with mycalf and my Achilles, where they
just feel tight all the time,and you know, maybe it takes me
like a mile and a half to getwarm, but with these shoes, like
, I don't feel any issues withmy calf at all.
You remember how it was likeyeah, I remember the whole point
(31:23):
of me doing like T25, the wholepoint of me doing all of these
different hit type workouts isbecause every time I would go
for a run, like after a mile,I'll catch a really bad cramp in
my calf.
Now, the one thing that wedidn't talk about is I started
seeing a physical therapist whohelped me strengthen my calf.
Like my, particularly my leftcalf was really weak so I
(31:44):
started strengthening the calfcalf and that's gotten stronger.
But just in general, likerunning in these shoes, like I
get warmer, faster I'm I feelbetter support and you know I'm
running more miles because I'mmore consistent, but it's not as
painful the other shoes that Iwas wearing they have, don't.
They're so hard.
I feel like everything on theground.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You feel like the impact.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh yeah, I feel the impact with everything Now when
I use my other shoes to work outin.
Those shoes I use to work outin, I can't even run in them
anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It's the shoes Got to be.
The shoes Got to be the shoesyo Got to be the shoes, got to
be the shoes, got to be theshoes.
Ok, ok.
So the bone conduction.
I guess you call that anearpiece.
What do they call it?
Headphones?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's like headphones and stuff.
Look at you trying to askquestions.
But yeah, like these.
These things are.
They're good, I like them.
These are they're good, I likethem.
These are the best pickup I'vehad.
These cost 125 bucks and thebattery life on it is amazing
like I will go for a five milerun if I start a hundred percent
.
I go on a five mile run and Ilisten to music continuously.
By the time I finish my run I'mat like 90 are they?
(33:00):
waterproof.
These are waterproof, or Ithink these are water resistant,
but they make one that you cango into a pool.
What these are for swimmers,they have one that's for
swimmers, and then the reasonthat they're cool, too, is the
one for swimmers.
You can program music into it.
Right, because if there's musicthat can be programmed into it,
(33:20):
then you don't need a phone toswim.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Imagine if you're swimming.
They're not going to come off.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
No, I run with this for five miles.
They don't come off.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Okay, but you also don't have hair.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Someone mentioned that at work too, there's one
girl I was tele-talking to.
She was like yeah, I got hair.
Who?
That's your work wife?
No.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Why you look like that to me Damn.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, and don't get me in trouble too, because like
people be listening to the show,you the one talking about you,
the one talking about in thelast episode.
I didn't say I had a work wife.
I didn't say.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You said you had a work wife.
You said people had a work wife, people have work wives.
You said that about what?
Two weeks ago?
You were like, yeah, peoplehave work wives.
I just I gotta make sure Iain't got one.
I gotta make sure I'll bepopping up on you, knock, knock,
knock.
Is that your address?
(34:20):
Is that your address?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
All right, all right.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
All right, all right.
Now we're going to really endthis segment.
Okay, we're going to talk nextabout the big beautiful bill, or
whatever the hell they call it,but this time we're going to be
talking about it from thestandpoint of physician shortage
.
So we will see you in the nextsegment.
Make sure to join us.
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