November 18, 2025 • 27 mins
SEND US A TEXT MESSAGE!!! Let Drs. Nii & Renee know what you think about the show!
Send us a Voice Message - https://www.speakpipe.com/docsoutsidethebox
Have a question for the podcast?
Text us at 833-230-2860
In this episode, we paid a tribute to D’Angelo whose albums like Brown Sugar and Voodoo shaped our teenage years. We also talked about how slow jams are no longer there, and the split between what people say online and how we actually treat each other off screen.
FREE DOWNLOAD - 7 Considerations Before Starting Locum Tenens - https://darkos.lpages.co/7-considerations-before-locums
LINKS MENTIONED
SIGN UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTER! https://darkos.lpages.co/newsletter-signup/
WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE!
Instagram: @docsoutsidethebox
Email: team@drniidarko.com
Twitter: @drniidarko
Merch: https://docs-outside-the-box.creator-spring.com
This episode is sponsored by
Locumstory. Learn how locum tenens helps doctors make more and have the lifestyle they deserve!. Check them outHERE!
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
If you want to create wealth for yourself, I'll
be honest with y'all.
I think we talk about realestate way too much.
I think we talk about othertypes of like alternative typing
investing way too much.
Like the low-hanging fruit ofjust getting out of debt, saving
money, putting money into abrokerage account, putting money
into your individual retirementaccount, putting money into your
HSA if you can afford to, youknow, make sure you choose the
(00:22):
right spouse, right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:23):
That right there.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
Those are the most important.
It's like the movie Hitch.
And he's doing the things withhis Q-tips and throwing it away
and doing all this stuff.
It's like, and what does Hitchsay?
He's like, listen, just atwo-step.
Simple.
And that's what it is with yourfinances, y'all.
You know what I'm saying?
I got my 401k.
Ooh, you can do that sometimes.
Ooh.
What move is that?
That's the HSA.
That's the HSA.
You got a good spouse, you knowwhat I'm saying?
(00:45):
Who you can trust.
You know what they do at night,you know what I'm saying?
Uh-huh.
You know where they be at.
People try to make it toocomplicated, yo.
Yo, yo, yo.
Welcome back to another episodeof Docks Outside the Box.
It's your boy, Dr.
Ni.
I'm joined by Dr.
SPEAKER_01 (00:59):
Renee.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
My voice is so horse.
Oh, well, we didn't ask for anexplanation.
What's up with your voice?
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
But I think people would like to know.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
I wanted to tell people that we know that it's
been a minute.
It's been close to two monthssince we put out an episode.
And I just want everybody toknow that life has been lifing.
And for me, I'll be reallyhonest with you all.
Um, between surgery, um, myschedule, um, the travel between
Ghana, and then trying to getback into our normal schedule of
(01:32):
work and family, and justhonestly, I'll be honest with
you guys.
Um, I just needed some space tobreathe, um, some space to kind
of refill the tank creatively.
And I found myself watching alot of videos and watching a lot
of content on YouTube andlistening to a lot of other
podcasts, and just I don't know,I just didn't feel like
(01:53):
creating.
And I just wanted to consume.
And I think that, you know, nextyear, Renee, next year 2026 will
be our 10 years of putting outthe show.
Um, I just, you know, sometimesyou just want to just re-center
things.
I just wanted to, um, I don'tknow, I just didn't feel like
(02:13):
recording.
So that's where that's thereason why I took a pause.
So, um, but I do want to thank,because I look at the download
numbers, people stilldownloading this show, and
everybody who's downloadingthis, um, I want to say thank
you very much for downloadingthe show, listening to the show,
rocking with us, being patient.
Some of you all have reached outand checked on us, um, still
(02:35):
pressing play.
Um, but I just wanted to be veryopen with you guys and let you
know that I don't want to besomeone who just um what do we I
just don't want to be someonewho just you know presses play
to record and creates somethingjust to fill uh silence, right?
Like I just wanted whatever Isay to be meaningful.
(02:56):
So I want you guys to know thatwe want it to be real, um, I
want it to be intentional, and Iultimately want it to be worth
your time.
Um, so I'm back, plus in record.
You should know that I'm rested,I'm ready to go, I'm
re-centered, um, and I'm ready.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
So you got something meaningful to say.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But before we get into today'sepisode, because I'm just gonna
keep this intro quick, um, Iwant to take a moment um because
um we have to recognize andhonor the life of D'Angelo.
Um, it's a big, big deal to me.
He died on my birthday, uh,October 14th.
And a lot of us, including me,um, who grew up in the 90s and
the early 2000s, that firstalbum, Brown Sugar, Alfred, if
(03:37):
you could put a screenshot ofthat up there, it wasn't just an
album.
That thing was a moment for me.
Um, as you know, Renee, I'mstill quoting lyrics from that
album.
You know, ladies, my favoritetrack from that album.
Um, it was a whole atmosphere.
It started the whole Neo Soulmovement, right?
(03:58):
Um, there's a lot of storiesthat I got to share about this
album, how it shaped my teenageyears, my teenage brain.
Um, and um, I definitely didn'tunderstand it at that time.
I definitely understand it now,but it was a time, right?
It was it was it was a vibe,right?
I don't know if brown sugar, Idon't know if brown sugar was
big for you as it was for me,because you were older than me.
(04:19):
So get out of here, Nee.
Start with this mess again.
But you wasn't a teenager whenthis something this album came
out, though.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Uh I wasn't.
What was I 30 or something?
I don't know.
I don't know, something.
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
So I was a teenager.
You shouldn't have been on thehigh school backyards trying to
get with us, though.
So anyway, but no, I'm not doneactually yet.
I'm not done.
Because actually, I'm gonnaleave a segment for that.
Um, and then let me finish myintro.
And then we're gonna get intosomething um that I've been
reflecting on for a lot thiswhole month, guys.
Um, the best financial decisionsthat I have made over the last
(04:52):
decade.
Um, I've had a lot of time tothink about this.
And I just want to say, guys,we've tried a lot of different
things.
And you're gonna hear about thegood moves, you're gonna hear
about the bad moves, you'regonna hear about the
experiments, um, Dr.
Renee on the lamb from the IRS.
Um, I can look back and can youstop sighing?
I'm still doing my intro.
(05:15):
I want you guys to know what'sactually creating freedom versus
what's just hype.
You know, for me, it's stabilityand peace that I'm looking for
from these decisions.
And I think you guys will wouldlike to hear the real.
So, and then we got a questionfrom the audience.
You know, I always love thatpart because that's the best
part of the show.
(05:35):
So let's get into it, let's jumpinto real quick um taking some
time off.
Um so I just want to say thisreal quick.
Renee, I think I have at leastthree texts that I sent to you
that question or that said howmany times we're gonna record.
Yeah.
So I just want to know how manytimes did you get sick of me
saying we're gonna record today,and then um I canceled.
SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
I I never got sick of you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:03):
Really?
No.
SPEAKER_01 (06:06):
I figured when you were ready to record, we record.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
You weren't worried at all?
Because it was like, yo, becauseyou would say we don't have a
podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
So we're like something about the clockcast,
and I was like, oh, we got apodcast.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
You know that pisses me off when you say that.
That's how you do it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Listen, you know, you know, sarcasm, sarcasm is my
love language.
So You mean antagonism is yourlove language, change.
Whatever, one and the same.
One and the same.
Yeah, no, but I didn't I didn'tget sick of it.
I figured when you were ready torecord, you would just, you'd be
like, hey, let's record.
(06:44):
And so, you know, and I I knowyou, you need to be in the space
and you know, in the head spaceto be able to do certain things.
And when you're not, then youknow, it doesn't come off right.
And then if you force everyoneto do it, you get angry and
you're like, Oh, that sucked.
SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
I can always go back and listen to when I'm like, yo,
I forced that.
And I think now I'm really, I'mreally like trying to recognize
that listen, like if you'reforcing content, it's gonna come
out.
I don't know if the audiencewill catch it, but it matters to
me.
Um, so I needed that creativerest.
Um, so when we did that oneepisode in Ghana, then we did
another episode when we gotback, I was like, man, I'm just
(07:24):
I'm just not in the groove yet.
I'm not in the groove yet.
I'm not gonna lie, there's alittle bit of ego.
I still think we are the bestDoctor podcast out there.
I do.
Of course.
Um, and I didn't want to putanything out that was gonna be.
But I think to everybody who'slistening to us, I'm telling you
right now, go listen to otherpodcasts.
Go listen to like we give youthe real of the real, right?
And it's not shade on any otherbody, anybody else, but I think
(07:46):
we give you real, the real,right?
Like you, what me, how me andRenee are on this show, that's
how we really are.
The topics that we talk about,the people that we have on the
show, um, that we ain't gonnahave on the show anymore.
That's the real.
And real quick, yo, one thing Idecided.
Listen, y'all.
We come on, don't, don't, don't.
(08:07):
Should I tell him?
Should I tell him what?
Tell him what?
SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
Yo, listen.
Like, just I was saying don't,just don't say like stuff that
you're gonna say today, and thentomorrow you're gonna be like,
man, I changed my mind.
Just leave yourself open.
I do not know.
Leave yourself open.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Listen, if you listen to the show right now, if
you wonder if you could come onthe show and be a guest, I'm
gonna tell y'all right now.
I'm checking your socials, I'mchecking your tweets, I'm
checking your affiliationsbecause um I think that matters.
SPEAKER_01 (08:40):
But we were doing that before, so I don't
understand why this is a specialannouncement, a special report,
breaking news.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
Listen, I'm telling you, podcasts are a big deal
now.
Podcasts are a really big deal.
You know, like I don't have tosay all the names, but you know,
like they are part of them, partof some of these podcasts are
really determining what's thelike how like presidential races
are gonna go.
SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
Of course.
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
Right?
People are determining howthey're going to exercise based
off of the the information theyget on some of these docs who
are on these podcasts.
Um, some people determine howthey're gonna lose weight, some
people determine, you know,whatever it may be.
Like if you check out, uh Iforgot what his name, there was
a podcast that Kamala Harris wason just recently.
Uh Diary of a CEO.
(09:26):
That's a good one.
Um, but there are times when hehas doctors who come on, or even
psychiatrists and psychologiststhat come on, and I'm like,
they're just spitting bullshit.
But he doesn't know, he doesn'tknow, you know, to play.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
They're gonna be like, wait, did he just say I
was spitting BS?
SPEAKER_00 (09:46):
But let's talk about that.
How how can you like listen?
That's why I always say, like,this is edutainment, right?
Like, we're trying to educate,but we're also entertaining.
Like everything that we say, youif you if I'm giving you advice
on what to do for running, ifwe're giving you advice
obviously financially, like youneed to double check with a f
with a um an advisor.
SPEAKER_01 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
Right?
But like you look at some ofthese podcasts, and I'm not just
picking on Diary of CEO, likeJoe Rogan does it a lot.
There's a lot of other uhpodcasts that do it a lot.
A lot of these doctors thatappear on some of these other
podcasts, they write to usfirst, or their PR firm writes
to us first.
This is true.
I don't know if they write to usfirst, but we get the and
they'll talk about likecannabis, does XY nothing about
(10:27):
what cannabis like some of thethings that these guys talk
about, it's like how do you knowthis?
How do you know this?
unknown (10:33):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (10:34):
L carnitine helps you blank blank blank.
Can you come and talk aboutthat?
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
No, I'm not coming to talk about L carnitine.
That's how I know, that's how Iknow these PR firms, these
people, they don't even belistening to our shows because
we don't even talk about thesethings.
Correct.
Correct.
So if you're listening right nowand you like the you're doing
research on L carnitine, don'tright here.
We don't want you here.
We I appreciate what you'redoing, but you're not gonna come
on.
Don't worry, they're notlistening anyway.
(11:01):
But don't send your PR firmsbecause I gotta go through those
emails.
That takes my time.
Kiara and Audrey are like, comeon, I want to go through all
this stuff, you know.
But listen, um, I want to thankthe listeners for their
patience.
Um, I want to thank thelisteners for their continued
support.
Um, that goes a long way.
I think that um a lot of timesuh people who are creating,
(11:24):
people who are starting off at acertain level, like they compare
themselves to other podcastersor they can uh compare
themselves to other people whoare creating content and they
see that oh man, these peoplehave a million followers, these
people write in all the time,and that can never be me, so to
speak.
And then, like us, we have ourown group of people who write in
(11:47):
consistently, listenconsistently, interact with us.
So I just want to say toeverybody, I recognize you all.
Thank you for listening, thankyou for the support.
I really appreciate y'allbecause it's it's a it's a big
deal.
Um, and you know, we're sharingabout what we've been up to over
the last month and a half.
Like, if you guys want to writein and share what you've been up
to, um I enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
Oh, we'd love to hear that.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
We'd love to hear it.
So just go to the show notes orgo to our website.
Is our website even stillworking?
Shit.
You really, your whole brain wason hiatus.
Yeah, I was on a hiatus.
Yeah, that whole creativebrain's on hiatus.
You guys know how to get intouch with us.
Let us know what's going on.
SPEAKER_01 (12:27):
So yeah, well, everybody know what's going on
with you.
Nobody knows what's going onwith me.
And I see you.
But we didn't ask you that.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You didn't ask.
You didn't ask.
SPEAKER_00 (12:37):
Go ahead, Renan.
SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
So, anyway.
Okay.
Um, no, I've just been as far asa podcast, I've just been
following your lead.
Um, as far as everything else,most of my time has actually
been and cut.
It's time for the next segment.
SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
Let's go, guys.
Sorry, Matt Damon.
Shut the fuck up.
No, move on.
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, goahead.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
You know what?
You gotta come home.
You gotta come home soon.
Okay.
You gotta come home too.
Okay, walk with a helmet, Ni.
Walk with a helmet, because yougotta come home soon.
Um, go ahead.
(13:26):
Nah, I'm I was just saying I'vebeen in uh back to school mode.
Yo, she's mad though, guys.
She's mad.
Trust me.
I know my wife.
Trust me, I'm not mad.
I'm really not.
I'm really not.
You know me.
I I'm not mad.
Um no, I've been in back toschool mode, um, pretty much.
Um, so our two boys are now infirst grade and third grade.
(13:52):
And first grade has definitelyupped the ante for a little one.
Um, I I think that we've sharedthat, you know, he um has a
diagnosis um of ADHD.
Um, which at this point I'm likehe's doing actually pretty good
considering.
(14:12):
Um but yeah, just been in backto school mode teaching them.
If anybody knows anything aboutme, I used to be a teacher back
in the day.
My first job was as a tutor whenI was 10.
I had two clients um, theneventually became a teacher
years later in high school.
So I do love to teach.
(14:32):
I really do.
And so I I just enjoy, you know,creating work for my boys and
you know, so that's that'sreally what I've been up to, you
know, just child rearing for themost part.
That's all.
That's all I need to share.
See, it wasn't it wasn't allthat grandiose and you know, oh,
I need to ponder life, and youknow, I didn't know if I wanted
(14:55):
to podcast anymore, and youknow, if I create content, blah,
blah, blah.
Like, don't nobody want to hearyou bury us only.
Damn.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And on that note, yo, let's take a moment to give
a shout out um to the one andonly D'Angelo.
Um, this is personal for me.
Um, he died on October 14th,2025, literally on my birthday.
Um, yo, when that album cameout, that was a big deal for me.
So um Brown Sugar?
(15:28):
Oh, yeah, Brown Sugar, his firstalbum was a big deal.
Um, yeah, a lot of people whoare who, you know, if you if you
are a fan of Neo Soul, MusicSoul Child, Erica Badu, um,
Raheem Devon, any of thosepeople, if you are a fan of
them, he was the first.
He was the first one, I think,officially, um, to really bring
(15:48):
in that like RB, jazz, you know,incense in your room, you know,
like that type of vibe.
You know, beeswax, you know whatI'm saying?
Like every song is like this,you know what I'm saying?
Like snapping, that type ofvibe.
SPEAKER_01 (16:01):
I sort of clapping, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Right, right, right.
But uh Brown Sugar was anamazing first album for me.
And then obviously he came outwith Voodoo.
Um, he also want to um send somerespects to his family, also,
um, because yo, his child lostactually two parents this year,
right?
Or was it late last year intothis year?
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
This I think it was early this year, Angie Stone.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Yeah, Angie Stone and now um D'Angelo, which is
which is crazy.
Crazy, you know.
Yeah, um But yeah, it you know,for me that going back to that
album, like I was a big fan ofbrown sugar, I wasn't a big fan
of Voodoo.
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Um, that I loved voodoo, but I'm Haitian, so
yeah.
I so for me, voodoo.
You don't see what I did there.
Stop and laugh.
Stop and laugh.
That mess was funny.
Stop and play.
I got what you're saying.
Stop playing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
Come on.
I got I got what you're sayingwith that.
But um, listen, Serpent.
Um the what I'm saying is likebrown sugar for me was more like
these are like each individualsong was a hit to me, basically,
right?
Whereas voodoo was anexperience.
Like from track one all the wayto the end, it was an
(17:17):
experience, but there wasn't thehighs that you would see in
brown sugar, right?
Okay, like like it was likeyou're going into a club and
you're going to experiencesomething for you know two
hours, or you're gonna go to aum, you know, whatever it is,
you're gonna experience this fortwo hours, but you won't have
the highs of brown sugar.
And that was for me, like eachsong was literally a major hit
(17:40):
to me, basically.
Yeah, and um, you know, for me,as a teenager taking a bus, you
know, riding to school intoNewark, you know, with my
headphones and listening tothat, like that was a great
album.
And for me, like the it justfelt like I was seen, you know,
and like I felt like I was grownlistening to grown folks music
and I wasn't even grown.
(18:00):
I shouldn't have been listeningto this, right?
Why?
You were a teenager.
I know, but like this is likethis is grown folks type things,
you know?
But it was great.
Yeah, yeah, that's how Iunderstood love to be,
basically.
Because it was like it was itwas at that age that I was like,
okay, I'm gonna start talking towomen, to girls, and all this
(18:21):
stuff, and you know, you pinpunch, you know, like yo, let
me, you know, and then you tryto, you know, take stuff from
the album, and it's like, man,get out of here.
It's like, oh shit, it doesn'twork, right?
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
And um, yeah, okay.
Let me ask you this question.
So I don't know what that wasall about, but you know, I've
been thinking lately, I'm like,so whatever happened to slow
jams, which Neo Soul is notquite slow jams, but it's kind
(18:50):
of like the natural evolutionfrom slow jams, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
I think slow jams encompasses Neo Soul.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Yeah, right.
Whatever happened to Slow Jams,and do you think that the
dynamic that we see between menand women today are impacted by
the fact that there aren't therearen't many slow jams anymore,
right?
Because in slow jams, men usedto profess their love for women.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
But you don't you don't see that much anymore,
right?
Like obviously women women stillprofess their love for men or
whatever, still not through slowjams necessarily.
Um, but they still have that.
But men don't necessarily havesongs where they are professing
love to women, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Yeah, I think you got a good point there.
I think that uh in society as awhole, uh particularly people
who listen to RB, um, like thatnotion of being vulnerable to
say those things to a woman inthat way.
Yeah, um, that's kind of passenow, right?
Um mainly because like inhip-hop, like hip-hop is
(20:04):
completely like rap musiccompletely, it feels like kind
of just took hold of RB and nowit's like a hybrid.
And now you basically have rapthat is a little bit more RB,
but then RB completely is juston a back burner.
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
That's how it's well, but they erased that part,
right?
They erased that notion of RBwhere you do have that
expression of love for someoneelse, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
It's there, it's coming back into mainstream.
Where?
Yeah, you have to look for it.
You have to look for it.
SPEAKER_01 (20:39):
I mean, you gotta you gotta be like that lady, you
know, that meme where the lady'sjust standing there and looking
like but it's there, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
There's a lot of artists out there who are doing
that, um, men and women aside.
Um, but it's not, it's you'renot gonna hear it on hot 97.
You're not gonna hear it on,well, you I mean, you're not
gonna hear it on KISS.
Like, like you're just not gonnahear it on well, KISS doesn't
even exist anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
I don't think KISS exists, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:03):
People don't listen to the radio really that much
anymore, right?
So you're not really gonna seeit on playlists, it's not gonna
be on the top 40 of yourplaylist, like, but it's there.
There are RB people out there.
RB has made a comeback.
Mainly it has been sparked bywomen, actually.
Right.
But the RB is not what it usedto be in terms of like you'd
(21:24):
listen to a radio station andprobably half of the songs would
be rap, the other half of thesongs would be RB.
SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
Or you actually have a whole hour or two dedicated to
slow jams, quiet storm, youknow.
And the reason I was thinkingabout this because is because,
you know, I'm obviously whenyou're on social media and
you're looking at stuff and youknow, you you see maybe um, you
know, a reel with a manprofessing some sort of love to
(21:53):
a woman, and it's like when yougo through the comments, you're
like, damn, it's like it's theworst thing he could have
possibly done in the world is toprofess his love to this woman.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, he loves it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
He dick riding, he's he glazing, you glazing.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
It's like I'm like, God, how insecure, how insecure
do you have to be to not be ableto understand that some people
feel a certain way about otherpeople, that it's okay.
Like, it's okay if you havestrong feelings.
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
But you gotta remember though, the internet,
social media, that could beTwitter, Instagram, um, wherever
else, wherever else peopleargue, that's not a real space.
unknown (22:38):
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
I'm very honest.
Let me finish my point.
Let me finish my point.
That's not a real space, right?
Because a lot of people will saythings there, a lot of people
will comment on things.
There's no face, there's no wayto identify people.
People just say things becausethey just say things, right?
So what happens in Twitter, whathappens on social media may not
necessarily be happening whenpeople actually interact with
(23:02):
each other.
SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
So I I'll leave it at that.
I I used to think years ago thatthe internet, social media is
not a real space.
I don't actually believe thatanymore.
I think I think social media isactually a very real space.
And I think that, you know, youmentioned earlier in the intro
that, you know, even politicalum, you know, elections are
(23:28):
potentially, you know, if notdetermining, but certainly
influencing how people vote, youknow, what people think, what
people do, what people say, howpeople interact with each other,
how people interact withthemselves.
You know, unfortunately, youhave you have to get your
teenagers and your preteens offof social media because they're
(23:49):
harming themselves based on thisnon-real space that really is
impacting their reality.
And so I I think social media isactually a very real space
because you are taking thingsthat happen in their lives and
you are televising it for theentire world to see, and the
entire world is shaming.
(24:11):
And so that that to me is real.
SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
That's real.
Well, I'll before we get I thinkwe're off the tangent, we're
kind of going into a circularconversation, a tangent of
D'Angelo.
I'll leave it to you like this.
So I I think I remember when,like in the early 2000s, you
know, there was the Sims backvideo game where you could, you
know, create basically anartificial life and see what
people would do.
And then it graduated tosomething else.
(24:36):
I think it was called SecondLife.
And then I remember PlayStationcreated like this second world
where it was almost like avirtual world and so forth.
Um, in essence, that's wherewe're at.
The reason I'm saying that islike the internet to me is a
place where conversation occurs,people say things.
Um, but uh up until what acouple of years ago, there
really wasn't any repercussionsfor what you said on the
(24:59):
internet.
A lot of things right now, evento this day, that people say on
the internet, they can't say inreal life.
That's why you have a what you Iwas gonna bring it back to.
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
In person, you mean?
Is that in person you mean?
SPEAKER_00 (25:11):
In person or in real life.
That's what I mean, like off ofthe internet.
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
Okay, right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
So a lot of the comments that people say on the
internet, they would notnecessarily say in real life, in
front of somebody, right?
Face to face and so forth.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Maybe.
SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Right?
Um, maybe I I don't think theywould, right?
I think most that that's thewhole thing, right?
But I mean, that's the reasonwhy you in essence, that's part
of the reason what you weretalking about with men and women
in their conversations, right?
There's a lot of women right nowwho complain and say that men
don't know how to talk to womenanymore because they don't talk
to women in public.
They text or they send messagesthrough Instagram, they DM and
(25:48):
so forth.
But the availability to interactin real life is completely
different than how peopleinteract on the internet.
SPEAKER_01 (25:54):
Yeah, they ain't talking there either.
They ain't talking in real lifeand they ain't talking on the
internet either.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Well, they're talking on the internet, but
they're not talking in reallife.
Um, so that's why I say it'sit's really, it's a it's like
this artificial made-up worldwhere everybody feels like
there's um, you know,everybody's on an equal setting
and so forth.
But when we get into real life,some of those a lot of those
things can't be said becausethere's a lot of repercussions,
right?
But I'll leave it at that.
But let's let's get back to thisD'Angelo, let's finish this up.
(26:21):
I just want to say, listen, um,you know, to me, music is like a
memory.
I always say this.
Remember, I used to say thiswhen we were dating, like
there's a soundtrack to life,um, or there's a soundtrack to
my life, and I I definitely saythat um D'Angelo's music
definitely was like thesoundtrack to like my teenage
years.
SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
So what's what's what's the soundtrack?
What soundtrack am I in?
What song am I?
SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
Mmm, that's a good question.
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
Don't dirt, don't d't don't dunno, don't dun, dun,
dun, move, get out the way, getout the way.
SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
That's not even on my soundtrack.
That's not even on mysoundtrack.
So shout out to D'Angelo.
I gotta give you props, man.
Um rest in peace, my brother.
Rest in peace.
SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
Yeah, rest in peace.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
Alright, y'all.
We just finished a segment wherewe gave a special shout out to
D'Angelo.
In our next segment, we're gonnatalk about the top five
financial moves um that actuallychanged my life.
So stay tuned.
If you want to create wealth for yourself, I'll
be honest with y'all.
I think we talk about realestate way too much.
I think we talk about othertypes of like alternative typing
investing way too much.
Like the low-hanging fruit ofjust getting out of debt, saving
money, putting money into abrokerage account, putting money
into your individual retirementaccount, putting money into your
HSA if you can afford to, youknow, make sure you choose the
(00:22):
right spouse, right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:23):
That right there.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
Those are the most important.
It's like the movie Hitch.
And he's doing the things withhis Q-tips and throwing it away
and doing all this stuff.
It's like, and what does Hitchsay?
He's like, listen, just atwo-step.
Simple.
And that's what it is with yourfinances, y'all.
You know what I'm saying?
I got my 401k.
Ooh, you can do that sometimes.
Ooh.
What move is that?
That's the HSA.
That's the HSA.
You got a good spouse, you knowwhat I'm saying?
(00:45):
Who you can trust.
You know what they do at night,you know what I'm saying?
Uh-huh.
You know where they be at.
People try to make it toocomplicated, yo.
Yo, yo, yo.
Welcome back to another episodeof Docks Outside the Box.
It's your boy, Dr.
Ni.
I'm joined by Dr.
SPEAKER_01 (00:59):
Renee.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
My voice is so horse.
Oh, well, we didn't ask for anexplanation.
What's up with your voice?
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
But I think people would like to know.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
I wanted to tell people that we know that it's
been a minute.
It's been close to two monthssince we put out an episode.
And I just want everybody toknow that life has been lifing.
And for me, I'll be reallyhonest with you all.
Um, between surgery, um, myschedule, um, the travel between
Ghana, and then trying to getback into our normal schedule of
(01:32):
work and family, and justhonestly, I'll be honest with
you guys.
Um, I just needed some space tobreathe, um, some space to kind
of refill the tank creatively.
And I found myself watching alot of videos and watching a lot
of content on YouTube andlistening to a lot of other
podcasts, and just I don't know,I just didn't feel like
(01:53):
creating.
And I just wanted to consume.
And I think that, you know, nextyear, Renee, next year 2026 will
be our 10 years of putting outthe show.
Um, I just, you know, sometimesyou just want to just re-center
things.
I just wanted to, um, I don'tknow, I just didn't feel like
(02:13):
recording.
So that's where that's thereason why I took a pause.
So, um, but I do want to thank,because I look at the download
numbers, people stilldownloading this show, and
everybody who's downloadingthis, um, I want to say thank
you very much for downloadingthe show, listening to the show,
rocking with us, being patient.
Some of you all have reached outand checked on us, um, still
(02:35):
pressing play.
Um, but I just wanted to be veryopen with you guys and let you
know that I don't want to besomeone who just um what do we I
just don't want to be someonewho just you know presses play
to record and creates somethingjust to fill uh silence, right?
Like I just wanted whatever Isay to be meaningful.
(02:56):
So I want you guys to know thatwe want it to be real, um, I
want it to be intentional, and Iultimately want it to be worth
your time.
Um, so I'm back, plus in record.
You should know that I'm rested,I'm ready to go, I'm
re-centered, um, and I'm ready.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
So you got something meaningful to say.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But before we get into today'sepisode, because I'm just gonna
keep this intro quick, um, Iwant to take a moment um because
um we have to recognize andhonor the life of D'Angelo.
Um, it's a big, big deal to me.
He died on my birthday, uh,October 14th.
And a lot of us, including me,um, who grew up in the 90s and
the early 2000s, that firstalbum, Brown Sugar, Alfred, if
(03:37):
you could put a screenshot ofthat up there, it wasn't just an
album.
That thing was a moment for me.
Um, as you know, Renee, I'mstill quoting lyrics from that
album.
You know, ladies, my favoritetrack from that album.
Um, it was a whole atmosphere.
It started the whole Neo Soulmovement, right?
(03:58):
Um, there's a lot of storiesthat I got to share about this
album, how it shaped my teenageyears, my teenage brain.
Um, and um, I definitely didn'tunderstand it at that time.
I definitely understand it now,but it was a time, right?
It was it was it was a vibe,right?
I don't know if brown sugar, Idon't know if brown sugar was
big for you as it was for me,because you were older than me.
(04:19):
So get out of here, Nee.
Start with this mess again.
But you wasn't a teenager whenthis something this album came
out, though.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Uh I wasn't.
What was I 30 or something?
I don't know.
I don't know, something.
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
So I was a teenager.
You shouldn't have been on thehigh school backyards trying to
get with us, though.
So anyway, but no, I'm not doneactually yet.
I'm not done.
Because actually, I'm gonnaleave a segment for that.
Um, and then let me finish myintro.
And then we're gonna get intosomething um that I've been
reflecting on for a lot thiswhole month, guys.
Um, the best financial decisionsthat I have made over the last
(04:52):
decade.
Um, I've had a lot of time tothink about this.
And I just want to say, guys,we've tried a lot of different
things.
And you're gonna hear about thegood moves, you're gonna hear
about the bad moves, you'regonna hear about the
experiments, um, Dr.
Renee on the lamb from the IRS.
Um, I can look back and can youstop sighing?
I'm still doing my intro.
(05:15):
I want you guys to know what'sactually creating freedom versus
what's just hype.
You know, for me, it's stabilityand peace that I'm looking for
from these decisions.
And I think you guys will wouldlike to hear the real.
So, and then we got a questionfrom the audience.
You know, I always love thatpart because that's the best
part of the show.
(05:35):
So let's get into it, let's jumpinto real quick um taking some
time off.
Um so I just want to say thisreal quick.
Renee, I think I have at leastthree texts that I sent to you
that question or that said howmany times we're gonna record.
Yeah.
So I just want to know how manytimes did you get sick of me
saying we're gonna record today,and then um I canceled.
SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
I I never got sick of you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:03):
Really?
No.
SPEAKER_01 (06:06):
I figured when you were ready to record, we record.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
You weren't worried at all?
Because it was like, yo, becauseyou would say we don't have a
podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
So we're like something about the clockcast,
and I was like, oh, we got apodcast.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
You know that pisses me off when you say that.
That's how you do it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Listen, you know, you know, sarcasm, sarcasm is my
love language.
So You mean antagonism is yourlove language, change.
Whatever, one and the same.
One and the same.
Yeah, no, but I didn't I didn'tget sick of it.
I figured when you were ready torecord, you would just, you'd be
like, hey, let's record.
(06:44):
And so, you know, and I I knowyou, you need to be in the space
and you know, in the head spaceto be able to do certain things.
And when you're not, then youknow, it doesn't come off right.
And then if you force everyoneto do it, you get angry and
you're like, Oh, that sucked.
SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
I can always go back and listen to when I'm like, yo,
I forced that.
And I think now I'm really, I'mreally like trying to recognize
that listen, like if you'reforcing content, it's gonna come
out.
I don't know if the audiencewill catch it, but it matters to
me.
Um, so I needed that creativerest.
Um, so when we did that oneepisode in Ghana, then we did
another episode when we gotback, I was like, man, I'm just
(07:24):
I'm just not in the groove yet.
I'm not in the groove yet.
I'm not gonna lie, there's alittle bit of ego.
I still think we are the bestDoctor podcast out there.
I do.
Of course.
Um, and I didn't want to putanything out that was gonna be.
But I think to everybody who'slistening to us, I'm telling you
right now, go listen to otherpodcasts.
Go listen to like we give youthe real of the real, right?
And it's not shade on any otherbody, anybody else, but I think
(07:46):
we give you real, the real,right?
Like you, what me, how me andRenee are on this show, that's
how we really are.
The topics that we talk about,the people that we have on the
show, um, that we ain't gonnahave on the show anymore.
That's the real.
And real quick, yo, one thing Idecided.
Listen, y'all.
We come on, don't, don't, don't.
(08:07):
Should I tell him?
Should I tell him what?
Tell him what?
SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
Yo, listen.
Like, just I was saying don't,just don't say like stuff that
you're gonna say today, and thentomorrow you're gonna be like,
man, I changed my mind.
Just leave yourself open.
I do not know.
Leave yourself open.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Listen, if you listen to the show right now, if
you wonder if you could come onthe show and be a guest, I'm
gonna tell y'all right now.
I'm checking your socials, I'mchecking your tweets, I'm
checking your affiliationsbecause um I think that matters.
SPEAKER_01 (08:40):
But we were doing that before, so I don't
understand why this is a specialannouncement, a special report,
breaking news.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
Listen, I'm telling you, podcasts are a big deal
now.
Podcasts are a really big deal.
You know, like I don't have tosay all the names, but you know,
like they are part of them, partof some of these podcasts are
really determining what's thelike how like presidential races
are gonna go.
SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
Of course.
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
Right?
People are determining howthey're going to exercise based
off of the the information theyget on some of these docs who
are on these podcasts.
Um, some people determine howthey're gonna lose weight, some
people determine, you know,whatever it may be.
Like if you check out, uh Iforgot what his name, there was
a podcast that Kamala Harris wason just recently.
Uh Diary of a CEO.
(09:26):
That's a good one.
Um, but there are times when hehas doctors who come on, or even
psychiatrists and psychologiststhat come on, and I'm like,
they're just spitting bullshit.
But he doesn't know, he doesn'tknow, you know, to play.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
They're gonna be like, wait, did he just say I
was spitting BS?
SPEAKER_00 (09:46):
But let's talk about that.
How how can you like listen?
That's why I always say, like,this is edutainment, right?
Like, we're trying to educate,but we're also entertaining.
Like everything that we say, youif you if I'm giving you advice
on what to do for running, ifwe're giving you advice
obviously financially, like youneed to double check with a f
with a um an advisor.
SPEAKER_01 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
Right?
But like you look at some ofthese podcasts, and I'm not just
picking on Diary of CEO, likeJoe Rogan does it a lot.
There's a lot of other uhpodcasts that do it a lot.
A lot of these doctors thatappear on some of these other
podcasts, they write to usfirst, or their PR firm writes
to us first.
This is true.
I don't know if they write to usfirst, but we get the and
they'll talk about likecannabis, does XY nothing about
(10:27):
what cannabis like some of thethings that these guys talk
about, it's like how do you knowthis?
How do you know this?
unknown (10:33):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (10:34):
L carnitine helps you blank blank blank.
Can you come and talk aboutthat?
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
No, I'm not coming to talk about L carnitine.
That's how I know, that's how Iknow these PR firms, these
people, they don't even belistening to our shows because
we don't even talk about thesethings.
Correct.
Correct.
So if you're listening right nowand you like the you're doing
research on L carnitine, don'tright here.
We don't want you here.
We I appreciate what you'redoing, but you're not gonna come
on.
Don't worry, they're notlistening anyway.
(11:01):
But don't send your PR firmsbecause I gotta go through those
emails.
That takes my time.
Kiara and Audrey are like, comeon, I want to go through all
this stuff, you know.
But listen, um, I want to thankthe listeners for their
patience.
Um, I want to thank thelisteners for their continued
support.
Um, that goes a long way.
I think that um a lot of timesuh people who are creating,
(11:24):
people who are starting off at acertain level, like they compare
themselves to other podcastersor they can uh compare
themselves to other people whoare creating content and they
see that oh man, these peoplehave a million followers, these
people write in all the time,and that can never be me, so to
speak.
And then, like us, we have ourown group of people who write in
(11:47):
consistently, listenconsistently, interact with us.
So I just want to say toeverybody, I recognize you all.
Thank you for listening, thankyou for the support.
I really appreciate y'allbecause it's it's a it's a big
deal.
Um, and you know, we're sharingabout what we've been up to over
the last month and a half.
Like, if you guys want to writein and share what you've been up
to, um I enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
Oh, we'd love to hear that.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
We'd love to hear it.
So just go to the show notes orgo to our website.
Is our website even stillworking?
Shit.
You really, your whole brain wason hiatus.
Yeah, I was on a hiatus.
Yeah, that whole creativebrain's on hiatus.
You guys know how to get intouch with us.
Let us know what's going on.
SPEAKER_01 (12:27):
So yeah, well, everybody know what's going on
with you.
Nobody knows what's going onwith me.
And I see you.
But we didn't ask you that.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You didn't ask.
You didn't ask.
SPEAKER_00 (12:37):
Go ahead, Renan.
SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
So, anyway.
Okay.
Um, no, I've just been as far asa podcast, I've just been
following your lead.
Um, as far as everything else,most of my time has actually
been and cut.
It's time for the next segment.
SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
Let's go, guys.
Sorry, Matt Damon.
Shut the fuck up.
No, move on.
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, goahead.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
You know what?
You gotta come home.
You gotta come home soon.
Okay.
You gotta come home too.
Okay, walk with a helmet, Ni.
Walk with a helmet, because yougotta come home soon.
Um, go ahead.
(13:26):
Nah, I'm I was just saying I'vebeen in uh back to school mode.
Yo, she's mad though, guys.
She's mad.
Trust me.
I know my wife.
Trust me, I'm not mad.
I'm really not.
I'm really not.
You know me.
I I'm not mad.
Um no, I've been in back toschool mode, um, pretty much.
Um, so our two boys are now infirst grade and third grade.
(13:52):
And first grade has definitelyupped the ante for a little one.
Um, I I think that we've sharedthat, you know, he um has a
diagnosis um of ADHD.
Um, which at this point I'm likehe's doing actually pretty good
considering.
(14:12):
Um but yeah, just been in backto school mode teaching them.
If anybody knows anything aboutme, I used to be a teacher back
in the day.
My first job was as a tutor whenI was 10.
I had two clients um, theneventually became a teacher
years later in high school.
So I do love to teach.
(14:32):
I really do.
And so I I just enjoy, you know,creating work for my boys and
you know, so that's that'sreally what I've been up to, you
know, just child rearing for themost part.
That's all.
That's all I need to share.
See, it wasn't it wasn't allthat grandiose and you know, oh,
I need to ponder life, and youknow, I didn't know if I wanted
(14:55):
to podcast anymore, and youknow, if I create content, blah,
blah, blah.
Like, don't nobody want to hearyou bury us only.
Damn.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And on that note, yo, let's take a moment to give
a shout out um to the one andonly D'Angelo.
Um, this is personal for me.
Um, he died on October 14th,2025, literally on my birthday.
Um, yo, when that album cameout, that was a big deal for me.
So um Brown Sugar?
(15:28):
Oh, yeah, Brown Sugar, his firstalbum was a big deal.
Um, yeah, a lot of people whoare who, you know, if you if you
are a fan of Neo Soul, MusicSoul Child, Erica Badu, um,
Raheem Devon, any of thosepeople, if you are a fan of
them, he was the first.
He was the first one, I think,officially, um, to really bring
(15:48):
in that like RB, jazz, you know,incense in your room, you know,
like that type of vibe.
You know, beeswax, you know whatI'm saying?
Like every song is like this,you know what I'm saying?
Like snapping, that type ofvibe.
SPEAKER_01 (16:01):
I sort of clapping, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Right, right, right.
But uh Brown Sugar was anamazing first album for me.
And then obviously he came outwith Voodoo.
Um, he also want to um send somerespects to his family, also,
um, because yo, his child lostactually two parents this year,
right?
Or was it late last year intothis year?
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
This I think it was early this year, Angie Stone.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Yeah, Angie Stone and now um D'Angelo, which is
which is crazy.
Crazy, you know.
Yeah, um But yeah, it you know,for me that going back to that
album, like I was a big fan ofbrown sugar, I wasn't a big fan
of Voodoo.
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Um, that I loved voodoo, but I'm Haitian, so
yeah.
I so for me, voodoo.
You don't see what I did there.
Stop and laugh.
Stop and laugh.
That mess was funny.
Stop and play.
I got what you're saying.
Stop playing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
Come on.
I got I got what you're sayingwith that.
But um, listen, Serpent.
Um the what I'm saying is likebrown sugar for me was more like
these are like each individualsong was a hit to me, basically,
right?
Whereas voodoo was anexperience.
Like from track one all the wayto the end, it was an
(17:17):
experience, but there wasn't thehighs that you would see in
brown sugar, right?
Okay, like like it was likeyou're going into a club and
you're going to experiencesomething for you know two
hours, or you're gonna go to aum, you know, whatever it is,
you're gonna experience this fortwo hours, but you won't have
the highs of brown sugar.
And that was for me, like eachsong was literally a major hit
(17:40):
to me, basically.
Yeah, and um, you know, for me,as a teenager taking a bus, you
know, riding to school intoNewark, you know, with my
headphones and listening tothat, like that was a great
album.
And for me, like the it justfelt like I was seen, you know,
and like I felt like I was grownlistening to grown folks music
and I wasn't even grown.
(18:00):
I shouldn't have been listeningto this, right?
Why?
You were a teenager.
I know, but like this is likethis is grown folks type things,
you know?
But it was great.
Yeah, yeah, that's how Iunderstood love to be,
basically.
Because it was like it was itwas at that age that I was like,
okay, I'm gonna start talking towomen, to girls, and all this
(18:21):
stuff, and you know, you pinpunch, you know, like yo, let
me, you know, and then you tryto, you know, take stuff from
the album, and it's like, man,get out of here.
It's like, oh shit, it doesn'twork, right?
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
And um, yeah, okay.
Let me ask you this question.
So I don't know what that wasall about, but you know, I've
been thinking lately, I'm like,so whatever happened to slow
jams, which Neo Soul is notquite slow jams, but it's kind
(18:50):
of like the natural evolutionfrom slow jams, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
I think slow jams encompasses Neo Soul.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Yeah, right.
Whatever happened to Slow Jams,and do you think that the
dynamic that we see between menand women today are impacted by
the fact that there aren't therearen't many slow jams anymore,
right?
Because in slow jams, men usedto profess their love for women.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
But you don't you don't see that much anymore,
right?
Like obviously women women stillprofess their love for men or
whatever, still not through slowjams necessarily.
Um, but they still have that.
But men don't necessarily havesongs where they are professing
love to women, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Yeah, I think you got a good point there.
I think that uh in society as awhole, uh particularly people
who listen to RB, um, like thatnotion of being vulnerable to
say those things to a woman inthat way.
Yeah, um, that's kind of passenow, right?
Um mainly because like inhip-hop, like hip-hop is
(20:04):
completely like rap musiccompletely, it feels like kind
of just took hold of RB and nowit's like a hybrid.
And now you basically have rapthat is a little bit more RB,
but then RB completely is juston a back burner.
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
That's how it's well, but they erased that part,
right?
They erased that notion of RBwhere you do have that
expression of love for someoneelse, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
It's there, it's coming back into mainstream.
Where?
Yeah, you have to look for it.
You have to look for it.
SPEAKER_01 (20:39):
I mean, you gotta you gotta be like that lady, you
know, that meme where the lady'sjust standing there and looking
like but it's there, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
There's a lot of artists out there who are doing
that, um, men and women aside.
Um, but it's not, it's you'renot gonna hear it on hot 97.
You're not gonna hear it on,well, you I mean, you're not
gonna hear it on KISS.
Like, like you're just not gonnahear it on well, KISS doesn't
even exist anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
I don't think KISS exists, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:03):
People don't listen to the radio really that much
anymore, right?
So you're not really gonna seeit on playlists, it's not gonna
be on the top 40 of yourplaylist, like, but it's there.
There are RB people out there.
RB has made a comeback.
Mainly it has been sparked bywomen, actually.
Right.
But the RB is not what it usedto be in terms of like you'd
(21:24):
listen to a radio station andprobably half of the songs would
be rap, the other half of thesongs would be RB.
SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
Or you actually have a whole hour or two dedicated to
slow jams, quiet storm, youknow.
And the reason I was thinkingabout this because is because,
you know, I'm obviously whenyou're on social media and
you're looking at stuff and youknow, you you see maybe um, you
know, a reel with a manprofessing some sort of love to
(21:53):
a woman, and it's like when yougo through the comments, you're
like, damn, it's like it's theworst thing he could have
possibly done in the world is toprofess his love to this woman.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, he loves it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
He dick riding, he's he glazing, you glazing.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
It's like I'm like, God, how insecure, how insecure
do you have to be to not be ableto understand that some people
feel a certain way about otherpeople, that it's okay.
Like, it's okay if you havestrong feelings.
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
But you gotta remember though, the internet,
social media, that could beTwitter, Instagram, um, wherever
else, wherever else peopleargue, that's not a real space.
unknown (22:38):
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
I'm very honest.
Let me finish my point.
Let me finish my point.
That's not a real space, right?
Because a lot of people will saythings there, a lot of people
will comment on things.
There's no face, there's no wayto identify people.
People just say things becausethey just say things, right?
So what happens in Twitter, whathappens on social media may not
necessarily be happening whenpeople actually interact with
(23:02):
each other.
SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
So I I'll leave it at that.
I I used to think years ago thatthe internet, social media is
not a real space.
I don't actually believe thatanymore.
I think I think social media isactually a very real space.
And I think that, you know, youmentioned earlier in the intro
that, you know, even politicalum, you know, elections are
(23:28):
potentially, you know, if notdetermining, but certainly
influencing how people vote, youknow, what people think, what
people do, what people say, howpeople interact with each other,
how people interact withthemselves.
You know, unfortunately, youhave you have to get your
teenagers and your preteens offof social media because they're
(23:49):
harming themselves based on thisnon-real space that really is
impacting their reality.
And so I I think social media isactually a very real space
because you are taking thingsthat happen in their lives and
you are televising it for theentire world to see, and the
entire world is shaming.
(24:11):
And so that that to me is real.
SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
That's real.
Well, I'll before we get I thinkwe're off the tangent, we're
kind of going into a circularconversation, a tangent of
D'Angelo.
I'll leave it to you like this.
So I I think I remember when,like in the early 2000s, you
know, there was the Sims backvideo game where you could, you
know, create basically anartificial life and see what
people would do.
And then it graduated tosomething else.
(24:36):
I think it was called SecondLife.
And then I remember PlayStationcreated like this second world
where it was almost like avirtual world and so forth.
Um, in essence, that's wherewe're at.
The reason I'm saying that islike the internet to me is a
place where conversation occurs,people say things.
Um, but uh up until what acouple of years ago, there
really wasn't any repercussionsfor what you said on the
(24:59):
internet.
A lot of things right now, evento this day, that people say on
the internet, they can't say inreal life.
That's why you have a what you Iwas gonna bring it back to.
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
In person, you mean?
Is that in person you mean?
SPEAKER_00 (25:11):
In person or in real life.
That's what I mean, like off ofthe internet.
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
Okay, right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
So a lot of the comments that people say on the
internet, they would notnecessarily say in real life, in
front of somebody, right?
Face to face and so forth.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Maybe.
SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Right?
Um, maybe I I don't think theywould, right?
I think most that that's thewhole thing, right?
But I mean, that's the reasonwhy you in essence, that's part
of the reason what you weretalking about with men and women
in their conversations, right?
There's a lot of women right nowwho complain and say that men
don't know how to talk to womenanymore because they don't talk
to women in public.
They text or they send messagesthrough Instagram, they DM and
(25:48):
so forth.
But the availability to interactin real life is completely
different than how peopleinteract on the internet.
SPEAKER_01 (25:54):
Yeah, they ain't talking there either.
They ain't talking in real lifeand they ain't talking on the
internet either.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Well, they're talking on the internet, but
they're not talking in reallife.
Um, so that's why I say it'sit's really, it's a it's like
this artificial made-up worldwhere everybody feels like
there's um, you know,everybody's on an equal setting
and so forth.
But when we get into real life,some of those a lot of those
things can't be said becausethere's a lot of repercussions,
right?
But I'll leave it at that.
But let's let's get back to thisD'Angelo, let's finish this up.
(26:21):
I just want to say, listen, um,you know, to me, music is like a
memory.
I always say this.
Remember, I used to say thiswhen we were dating, like
there's a soundtrack to life,um, or there's a soundtrack to
my life, and I I definitely saythat um D'Angelo's music
definitely was like thesoundtrack to like my teenage
years.
SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
So what's what's what's the soundtrack?
What soundtrack am I in?
What song am I?
SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
Mmm, that's a good question.
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
Don't dirt, don't d't don't dunno, don't dun, dun,
dun, move, get out the way, getout the way.
SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
That's not even on my soundtrack.
That's not even on mysoundtrack.
So shout out to D'Angelo.
I gotta give you props, man.
Um rest in peace, my brother.
Rest in peace.
SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
Yeah, rest in peace.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
Alright, y'all.
We just finished a segment wherewe gave a special shout out to
D'Angelo.
In our next segment, we're gonnatalk about the top five
financial moves um that actuallychanged my life.
So stay tuned.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!