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We started off by doing a check-in on Dr. Renee's health journey. We then moved on to our controversial takes on rap, and had an insightful discussion on code-switching in medicine and maintaining authenticity in professional settings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right guys.
So we just got off a segmentwhere we were talking about a
doc who was making so much moneyon TikTok it surpassed.
It surpassed what she wasmaking at practice in OB
practice.
So if you miss that segment, goback and take a listen, because
we have some very interestingquips on that.
(00:22):
But now we're going to beapparently talking about the
vitals check and dr knee wantsto talk about me.
So what you want to talk?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
about.
That's right, y'all, we areback.
Yo listen the vitals check.
I started it how many episodesago?
One, one episode ago, all right, but listen that's.
I feel like we need to start asegment and I want to start
promoting that you be startingthese segments all the time, and
then they never last more thanlike three or four episodes.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So this is another one, and you guys keep tuning in
because I love you guys andlisten, help me get through this
.
Don't laugh at me.
Audience Support me.
So the vitals check is anopportunity for you to check in
on our personal goals, whetherit be mental health or physical.
The big thing right now isphysical for me.
I'm trying to break 20 minutesin a 5K and bench 250 pounds.
(01:14):
Check out the previous episodewhere I talked about that a
whole episode dedicated to myvitals.
But let's focus on you, drRenee.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
My love.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
What's your question?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
forget, I'm not gonna say it what you always?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm not gonna say it, because why do you start ever
since?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
ever since you hit this milestone and we are able
to put in more into our 401kanyway yo, I've been concerned
about your health.
Talk to us, let us know whatyou're doing I love it.
From a financial standpoint,it's dope any from a physical
standpoint what, what?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
go ahead.
No, you said you're not.
I love it.
From a financial standpointit's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Anywho From a physical standpoint.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
What, what Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, you said you're not going to say it.
Let's talk about your vitals.
Let's talk about the healthvitals.
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
What about it?
I started walking.
No, I started walking.
What's your Okay, so you knowwhat Segment over?
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's it, Guys.
That's how quick her vitalsusually are.
That's it Her physical thingsare grand opening, grand closing
.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, that's it.
So, anyway, I started walking.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Why are you laughing?
But you know it's true, though,right what?
Because you'd be like openingshop, like I'm going to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm going to wear all this gel and stuff and I'm
gonna sweat all this stuff offand then you know, I'm not
wearing the sweat the butter.
What was the sweat butter?
Whatever it's called?
How you know, I'm not wearingit.
How you know, right now I'm notwalking right now?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
my exercising right now for the for potting.
I bet my heart rate right nowis uh 73, we're not talking
about your vitals go ahead, letthem know come on I told you I
started walking.
How far are you walking and howare you doing this?
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So I walk with a friend who's in the neighborhood
and she and I will go out.
We'll do like an hour walk,just walk around the
neighborhood.
We do it at a really brisk pace.
So even though we're talking,we're like out of breath when
we're talking.
So that's how we know isworking.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So you're in zone two .
That's what they would callzone two, or maybe even past
zone two.
Go ahead, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So, yeah, that's what I've started doing so far, and
I am, I subscribe to thistle now.
So it started out one way butit's starting to go another way.
So thistle if you guys don'tknow thistle, thistle is a meal
(03:40):
delivery program, but they focusmore on like salads and like
fresh foods, right?
Um, the problem that Iencountered I like their salads,
but their salads don't haveenough range for me and I
there's a certain way that Ilike my salads and I don't think
(04:00):
I don't think it offers that.
So I started kind of cuttingdown on the salads and doing
more of the fresh cooked food,which actually, if you look at
it and you've had it before,I've made it for you before I
think the portions are actuallypretty big right, bigger than
factor, right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So what's the matter?
What's the matter?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
what's this got to do with your vitals?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
you're asking me what am I doing for my health?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
let's talk about the walking more okay, are you doing
?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
it so I do it as much as I can.
So really, I'm supposed to bedoing it every day, but it also
depends on if I have somethingthat I have to do for my kids,
okay, or you know, if I havesomething that I have to do for
my kids Okay, or you know, if Ihave an appointment or whatever.
So if I have something to do forthe kids that cuts into the
time, then unfortunately I'm notable to walk.
(04:54):
So I would say probably overthe last two or three weeks I've
probably walked maybe three orfour times a week.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's good.
You're definitely doing over amile.
So you're definitely doing overa mile yes, definitely doing
over a mile for sure.
I think it's time to get youlike a Fitbit.
I would like a fit because theyactually my, my walking partner
, and I, we talked about that,yeah.
I like it because like thosethings, because I think it what
it does is it gamifies certainthings, like you're like all
right, well, like we did 5 000steps today, maybe we can do 5
(05:26):
000 and one.
I just think it helps to keepyou like so.
For me, what's already dope isthat you found somebody to
exercise with so I gotta giveyou mad props for that if you
were doing this by yourself, Iwas like I don't know how long
it's gonna last and stuff, butthe fact that you got somebody
else involved, they gonna makesure that you stay accountable
yeah, we keep each otheraccountable.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
We talked about doing potentially a goal of 10,000
steps did you?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
you thought she was gonna get out of this by talking
about food.
Maybe you better talk aboutwhat you walking yeah, but
that's important too.
Like you can't, I like thisfood you know, the salads are
really not man.
You better stick to the walkswhat's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
huh, what's wrong with you?
What's?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
the matter.
I caught you trying to get outof it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
How am I trying to get out of it?
Nii, you asked me what am Idoing for my health?
That's what I'm doing.
I don't get it.
So you wanted me to mentionFitbit.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, I didn't want you to mention it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well then, that's the question you asked me.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But you kind of talked really shortly about it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I walk over a mile walk for it for about an hour is
what I said, and we do it at abrisk pace.
That's peace.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That's what I said that's bad on the sand so keep
going but that's it.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's all I'm doing, that's it, I'm not committing.
I'm not committing to anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm proud of you.
I'm no listen you guys know,she's telling me to clear out.
Yeah, look at that, go ahead,clear.
You guys know I don't like Idon't like to exercise you know
how asinine that sounds how doesthat sound asinine?
I don't like.
You are a doctor, right?
You can't be putting thatinformation out listen, I don't
(06:59):
like it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I didn't say I don't do it.
I said I don't like it youdon't do it I'm doing it now.
That's why we talking about mebut go ahead, keep going okay,
that's why we're talking aboutme.
I don't like it, but I, I do it.
I don't do things consistently,but I am always exercising.
It's not just it's just not.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You pardon, what do you mean?
You always exercising?
It's just not consistent whatwas the exercise before you
started walking several weeksago?
What was the?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
exercise.
I had a personal trainer.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No, no, no, Yo, yo.
How long ago was that personaltrainer Me?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, I mean but that's what I'm saying is that
it's always inconsistent, heyguys.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
This is content over everything.
I love you guys, so we like toshare a lot.
As soon as we stop podcast, assoon as we stop, as soon as we
stop the show, it's going to bea quiet night.
I am in trouble.
I am.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I am quitting this podcast.
You are not quitting thispodcast.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is how you got famous.
This is how you got famous.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I'm Rory and Maul.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
All right, let's transition to something real
quick, I don't want to go intoanother thing, but I want to
know what are two controversialtakes that you want to share.
Are there any controversial?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
takes.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Any controversial takes Any yeah anything.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I told you the hero thing.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That was one.
All right, give me the.
You know anything that's likeyo like.
I hate when people do this.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I hate when you put me on the spot with things like
this because we're not talkingabout any very specific thing.
Now, if you ask me about a veryspecific thing and we're having
like a discussion, I could say,ok, well, my controversial take
on this thing is X, y, z, butit's like some random thing that
I make no sense.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Can I go first?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Go to your notes.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Nii, so I got notes.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Exactly.
Can I go first?
Go to your notes me.
So I got notes exactly.
How do you ask me something Idon't have notes for that, you
coming off like the top of mydome but you wrote.
No, but you guys, I don't usechat you know, just tuning in to
hear us argue now.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I don't use chat GBT for my notes.
I just use chat GBT to help mewith my intro because I'm so
interested to see what it coulddo.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Please.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now the two controversial takes that I want
to share are folks don'tunderstand rapping anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, that was anticlimactic.
But okay, Go ahead.
No.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm serious, the way how rapping is, the way how
music industry is, people don'treally understand a true MC.
What is the true essence of amaster of ceremonies?
What is the true essence of alyricist?
We are seeing that right now,but I think a lot of people
aren't paying attention.
You know me how I feel aboutkendrick lamar, right, I also
(09:40):
feel the same way about clips um.
I also feel the same way aboutwho else I feel j cole, um,
those.
These are some of the peopleright now who I think are
amazing lyricists, mcs.
But you know, this goes back,as you know, caris one,
chuck-hmm, chuck D.
(10:01):
But the reason why I broughtthis up because I started
thinking about this I was likeyo, I don't play music,
particularly the music that Ilisten to.
I don't play that in theoperating room.
Do you play music in theoperating?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
room.
No, but I'm not in theoperating room the way that I
used to be.
But when I was in the operatingroom, yes, I did used to play
music in the operating room.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
What kind of music did you play in the operating
room?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sometimes I would tell them honestly what I would
do.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Guys, there's always a rhyme and reason, and ChatGPT
can't do that, so don't diss mynotes.
All right, my?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
notes are real notes.
What I would do is I would tellthem especially when I was in
idaho I'd say play dead people.
Only, what do you mean?
I only want death, people whohave people who are dead
interesting, so, but that wouldget me a lot of michael jackson,
because michael jackson wasdead by that point jimmy hendrix
(10:54):
jimmy hendrix, give me um whoelse else Whitney Houston Died
in that year?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Amy.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Winehouse.
No, I never really Listened toAmy Winehouse.
I didn't actually know who AmyWinehouse was when she died.
I only knew her after she died.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Queen?
Yeah, no, not really.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It was mostly like R&B, so you let them choose.
But R&B dead people, but r&bdead people, like r&b dead
people.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It wasn't just like just anybody, it was like r&b
dead people, so I I used to playmusic, but I I would play music
, so I would have my phoneattached, like you know, do the
pairing to the the speakers andmy list was what do you call?
It Was a like what's the bestway I could describe it?
(11:44):
It was non-explicit on purpose,right, you know cause I, you
don't want to offend people, Idon't want to offend people and
then, like you know, there'ssome really good music out there
and I just didn't want to hearit you don't want to play.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
no freaking, get money by.
I don't want people saying theN word, it's just like yo, you
know, you know what I'm saying.
Get money.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
What you saying, huh.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get money, what you saying what you saying, huh.
Get money.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh my.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
God.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yo 95.
Yo you guys had to be there.
Everybody who wasn't outside in94, 95.
Oh my god, yo biggie yo thatwhole junior mafia oh my gosh
anyway, here's another one,here's another one, here's
another one, here's another one.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Code switching oh so that's a hot take, that's a hot
take.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
What do you think about code switching?
Do you code code switch?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Of course I code switch.
Listen, every black person codeswitches, except for Ryan
Coogler.
Shout out to Ryan Coogler RyanCoogler, just be like we talking
.
I don't care who the hell I'mtalking to.
We talking like this.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The first filmmaker that I started looking up to
when I was growing up.
It's a complicated question forme because it was really like
two that I admired.
It was Spike Lee and JohnSingleton, and they were the two
filmmakers whose films Iremember seeing first, like my
first theatrical experience thatI remember that was formative
for me was Boys in the Hood.
Okay, do you want to?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
actually is this another thing, because I really
want to talk about codeswitching Is that a thing?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, it is a thing.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No.
Is that a new theme for this?
Is that a new segment that weshould be talking?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
about?
No, absolutely not.
I'm not doing a whole segmenton code switching.
That just don't make no sense.
We talk about it today.
I'm not talking about codeswitching every single, because
there's people who don't knowwhat code switching is.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah code switching is essentially when you and I'm
the biggest culprit of codeswitching.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
No, you're not.
Yes, I am yes, I am yeah.
I could code switch on thispodcast right now if I could.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Carlton.
Yo Jay, what Shh Hi roomie,that's called leaving me hanging
, because my hand is literallyleft hanging in the air, but
that's me code switching intoCarlton, of course well, code
switching is essentiallyespecially for black people is
(14:14):
when you you fix your vernacularor not fix it happens in
immigrant populations, of courseof course, but you make your
vernacular so that it is moreunderstandable and acceptable to
(14:34):
norm.
To like white Americans is theway I would describe it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, changing your speech changing how you dress
changing your hair appearance tobasically fit the norms in the
hospital.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so I think everybody code switches to some
extent.
I think some people code switchmore than others, but yeah, I
think for me usually the codeswitching occurs more for.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Do you code switch?
How are you with patientsversus?
How you are with colleaguesversus like?
What's your thoughts there?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So it depends Right Like I might code switch.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And I'll tell everybody I code switch, I might
code, might code.
I don't want to code switchanymore, I might code switch
with patients.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I might code switch with patients to give them some
level of comfortability, right,because I'm like, well, I'm, I'm
the doctor, so I'm, I'm, youknow, like I don't need to code
switch because, you know,because of some specific gain
(15:41):
I'm trying to get.
But I might code switch forsome level of comfortability for
the patient, you know, to beable to kind of feel like they
can express whatever it is thatthey need to express.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Gotcha, right Gotcha, I think.
I think what folks who are notused to code, switching what
they, what they're missing ormaybe what they may be seeking,
is like why and I think there'scertain ways in which people
talk outside of the hospitalthat they may feel uncomfortable
.
They may be looked upon as lessprofessional if they use that.
(16:17):
Yeah, yeah, if they use thattalking in the hospital, even
though obviously this person whomay be code switching has shown
and proven that they can bethere.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't even think that.
So before, before I ever knewthe word code switching, right,
there is the notion that there'sa professional way to speak and
(16:51):
then there's a non-professionalway of speaking.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So we greet like this Yo what up?
Yo you chilling?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But in the hospital we may be like oh sir, hey, dr
Rene, how are you doing today?
Oh, how are you, how are you?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
buddy.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That's an example right there guys.
So, Alfred put that in blackand white.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
But I think that you know there, before I even knew
what code switching was right.
It was no, this is theprofessional way of speaking and
this is a non-professional wayof speaking which you know now
that I'm older and I understand.
You know certain things, livethrough life, you know all kinds
of things.
I'm like no, what'sprofessional is what I do
(17:29):
overall right.
The way I speak doesn'tnecessarily right the the accent
in which I speak right doesn'tnecessarily right.
The accent in which I speakright doesn't necessarily
dictate whether or not you knowI'm professional right.
Like that doesn't dictate thatright.
There are things that areprofessional versus
(17:50):
non-professional right.
For example, you're not goingto go in and be profane.
That is unprofessional right.
Like that's just unprofessional.
It doesn't matter if you'redoing it with a you know what do
they call that New Englandaccent.
Or if you're doing it, you know, using Ebonics.
You remember Ebonics?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Whatever happened to?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Ebonics, what the hell happened to?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
it.
But people from the south ofBoston, though, because I always
wonder like folks from like thesouth of, was the south Boston?
Yes, like they have.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm in.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
They have a big dialect issue, right, yeah, I
wonder if they feel that issuealso.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't know, but there I was watching something
about like that whole, thatwhole like New England accent.
When you watch like these oldshows, especially you know the
shows that had more white peopleon it, where they have this way
of talking, that is just very,you know, kind of it's.
(18:50):
It's almost like it wants to beBritish but it just doesn't
quite get to the British accent.
In the United States it'salmost like it wants to be
British but it just doesn'tquite get to the British accent.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You're talking about in the United States.
In the United States, oh, okay,yeah, okay gotcha.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's almost like it wants to be British but it
doesn't get quite to the Britishaccent, and so that particular
accent then became kind of thewell, this is how you're
supposed to speak properly,right, and so that went on for
many, many years, right, and sothat that went on for many, many
(19:20):
years.
And I think, you know,especially in the era that we
grew up, you know, with ourparents essentially being, you
know, baby boomers, I think wegot, you know, I think that hell
, yeah, I think we got the thethere's no room for what?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
do you call it for non-being able if you can't code
switch?
yeah that's a problem becauselisten, guys, like to a lot of
people, code switching issurvival, right, like you cannot
go into a hospital, excuse me,we were trained to know that
there's a certain way in whichwe got to present ourselves,
even though we may talk adifferent way.
We may talk in slang not all ofus, obviously right but like
(19:55):
there's a certain comfortabilitythat me and Renee may have with
each other, we may talk acertain way outside of the
hospital that we just don't doin the hospital.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Anybody who's listening to the show.
You know what I'm talking about, right, if you know, you know,
right, and I think what I thinkabout sometimes is it could be
fatiguing, right, because we'vewe've heard some people talk
about that when they go intoresidency or when they become
attendings, depending on whichneighborhood they decide to work
in, it could be kind offatiguing, you know to
(20:24):
constantly.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
They're speaking in an accent constantly.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They feel like it's on their mind.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I've never felt that way, but I always think about
that.
Like man, it must be likethat's got to be tough.
You feel like you walk into aroom and people are perceiving
you a certain way, or you feellike you have to change.
Like you said, you're speakingin an accent that is not
comfortable for you.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's not comfortable for you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I like how you mentioned the whole concept of
well, look, if you're speakingprofane, we're not talking about
that Right, we're not talkingabout that right, we're not
talking about this because I'msaying that's, that's
non-professional.
Yeah, like we are, no matterwhat accent you speak.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Like we got to set the boundaries, yeah there and
stuff but I, like I said, Ithink that people code switch to
a certain extent and somepeople code switch to completely
change who.
They are right.
I remember when I was applyingfor medical school and at that
point, you know, I didn't havethe relaxer in my hair anymore.
I hadn't had a relaxer in myhair for, like I don't know,
(21:23):
almost almost five years or fiveyears.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It explains for them, right.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So relaxers or relaxer, usually black women.
If they get a relaxer, it'susually to straighten their hair
Dark and lovely PCBG.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
What is it?
Pcbj or TCBY?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, straighten their hair.
Dark and lovely pcbj what is it?
Pcbj?
Or tcby, yeah, something likethat.
I don't even remember what theyeah, but dark and lovely was
definitely one put it right inthe roots yeah, so you know that
was that creamy crack, all thatum.
so yeah, I hadn't had a relaxerat that point since my last year
(21:59):
of college.
Like, I took out the relaxer, Ilet it grow out and was wearing
my natural hair and I got askedif I was going to relax my hair
or straighten my hair for myinterviews.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Who asked you that?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
A cousin of mine, okay, and I was like, well, how
were you wearing your hair?
That A cousin of mine, okay,and I was like Well, how were
you wearing your hair before?
Was it like it was just twisted.
I would twist it sometimes or Iwould just, you know, sometimes
braid it.
I didn't even used to wearextensions at that point in my
hair.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I was just like I'm done with extensions I don't
think I've ever seen you withextensions with extensions, of
course you see me withextensions.
Babe, I had extensions lastyear?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
what about in med?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
school.
No, okay, that's what I'mtalking about.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, no, I haven't had extensions.
Well, the first time I put inits extensions since you met me
was last year yeah don't do thatagain, though you're not crazy
about those things.
So, anyway, I'm not crazy aboutthem either but lucky, we
married anyway, please, anyway,every now and then I would put
in extensions, but at that pointI wasn't even wearing
(23:02):
extensions because I felt it wasjust too much maintenance for
me.
Take, I didn't like taking outthe extension, so I wouldn't do
that, so I would just wear myhair, that's it.
And so I got asked if I wasgoing to change my hair for my
interviews.
Was I going to straighten myhair?
And I was like, for what?
And honestly I will tell you atthat point now you got to
(23:25):
remember I'm like 26 years oldat this point I really did not
understand the concept of youlike that.
There were places where youthat would not accept my kinky
hair.
I didn't get that concept.
I really didn't what about?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
what about a dude?
What do you advice?
Because you work a lot withpre-meds, you work a lot with
med students mm-hmm they'regonna go on interviews.
What do you?
What advice do you give to likea guy who may have um locks,
locks, cornrows, keep them,things like that keep them, you
know keep.
(24:06):
Keep your locks, you know youdon't ever give the advice of
like you just got to get throughthe door first.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like get through, like the interview first get
accepted first, then do what youcan do.
No, I don't, because I feellike that sets you up for really
bad imposter syndrome.
Really bad imposter syndrome,yo Renee yo come on yo.
I don't like to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I had that in my notes.
Actually imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I don't like to do that.
I know that there are peoplewho give that advice.
I personally do not give thatadvice because I don't like to
set people up for impostersyndrome so you want them to
show up authentic show, show upauthentically.
Now I want to be clear on this,though right, there is
professional hair and there isunprofessional hair there is you
(24:55):
know, just because you havenatural hair right, naturally
kinky hair doesn't mean thatevery single hairstyle is for
the workplace.
You can have your natural hairbut still wear professional
hairstyles right.
So I don't expect a whiteperson to come in with punk rock
(25:16):
hair.
For me that would be consideredunprofessional.
That's not usually the way thatwe would, you know that we
would accept it.
Now, that's just me, the waythat I grew up you're cooking,
that's that's what I like.
I don't expect punk rock hairat an interview what about?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
what do you call it right?
What do you call that thingparty?
What business in the frontparty in the back?
What do you call a mullet,mullet, yeah, that should be
banned altogether.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Okay, nobody should be wearing a mullet.
Nobody, even hockey, I nobody.
I don't care.
If you're canadian, I don'tcare, no mullet.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Hey, we'll fold you up.
We'll fold you up.
No, you heard drake.
He's coming back.
Oh, what did I miss?
He need a mullet.
He got a hit.
Now, what did I miss?
He need a mullet.
Yo, drake is coming back.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
For real, though okay , well, maybe I'm mullet I know,
I know that was your favorite.
He was your favorite whatever,I couldn't even name a drake
song you love drake.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You love drake who?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
love drake me, I don't even know a drake.
The ladies love whatever anyway, move on, move on keep going,
keep going, keep the topic goingno, but yeah, no, I don't, I
don't give that advice.
I, you know, I say, if you'regoing to go, if men, if you have
locks, put your locks.
You know, wear your locks, butyou know obviously make sure you
grease up the between areas,guys.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Grease up the between yo.
You can't be going and doingthis greasing that between twist
.
Back in the day too, guys, Iused to have twists, you did, I
know y'all see me on YouTube, melike you.
This mug is bald as hell y'allhe ain't got guys.
I'm telling you, when I waslooking back in med school, I
was looking GQ ish, I waslooking like Tay delicious yo
(26:51):
and I have my hair is in a twistdon't say Tay delicious.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, I used to announce yo.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I said my hair is in a twist and to announce it.
I used to have my hairs in atwist and everything.
You did it for me, remember Idid, I did, used to twist your
hair, and that was the reasonwhy I lost my hair?
Because you twisted it too much.
Okay, you twisted it too tightespecially back here.
And then you twisted it toomuch right here.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And that's what made my hairline recede.
Yo and he what?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
What you talking about.
Don't talk about my mom yo.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Okay, I'll tell her not to give you male pattern
baldness.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
See, we always got to relate it.
See, guys, you guys think Doc'sOutside the Box is just about
like money, medicine andeverything.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We give medical advice too.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We actually talk about medical advice too.
So thanks, mom, for hooking meup with that X gene with the
male pattern baldness yo.
But you didn it too tightthough get out of here.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
If I can find a picture, I'm gonna give it up to
put up there and be like yo.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
This is I used to have twists in my hair.
I just have a full head of hair.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You think I look better now or with hair yeah, I
know, don't answer the question.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You're not answering the question.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'm answering the question.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Hey, look better now bald does it bother you that men
get better looking as they?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
know it bothers me so much I can't sleep at night
over it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I'm so bothered.
What about for women, though?
What about it?
You know, they do say that menget better looking as they get
older.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, they do for a little bit, yeah, they do.
Everybody's got to have theirheyday, Nia.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
When was yours?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Mine.
I think my heyday was probablywhen I was like in my 30s.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Can I comment?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Comment.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
No, I agree with you.
Oh, okay, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh, so you're getting in trouble, because now you're
supposed to say my heyday is now.
Now you're in big trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh, some reflections on this.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Change that topic real quick.
Yes, what do you tell?
What do you tell students?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I tell them everything you say.
I say listen, man, where you'reoff, be authentic yo.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But, like I tell them , like you know, look, there are
things that are appropriate,there are things that are
inappropriate.
I, like you, know when yourhairstyle is appropriate versus
is inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like I, I can't, you know, you know right.
Like, for example, should youwear Tim's on an interview?
No Right, I can't work, youcan't wear Tim's.
I'm trying to work up, I'mtrying to come authentic.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah Me.
What if you got heels on your,on your Tim's?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
heels on your.
Oh, they still do that.
Yo, you remember that 2003,2004, 2005.
Yo, they went too far.
They went too far.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
But yeah, no, I mean yo code switching.
Is it really depending?
Depending on, I think, how faryou go?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
How about this?
Have you ever code switched?
Excuse me, have you everswitched out to a colleague in
the hospital and they didn'trecognize that?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
How to make you feel what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So you know how you code switch like you mask on and
you're in the hospital, right,but did you ever I'm sure you've
been around docs that you feellike you can take the mask off
on and they didn't reciprocate?
You ever had that?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
They've all reciprocated with you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't know that I've ever I've had docs.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'll say it.
I've had docs that I thoughtthat I could take the mask off
on and like.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And they were Carlton .
It was yeah, it was extremely.
It was authentic.
It wasn't code switching forthem.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Extremely awkward I was like Wow.
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I've never yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I've never encountered that.
I have encountered where I'mlike saying something, I'm
telling something in a like youknow, let's say I'm talking to
the nurses and I'm telling thema story or something, and like
there's something that I need tosay that just cannot be code
switched and I got to say itlike this but see, you're trying
(30:48):
too hard right now.
No, I'm saying like that's likeyou know, like I noticed, you
know like that kind of All right.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Let me ask the audience, yo, when have you felt
like you had to code switch inmedicine?
Send us a voicemail, let usknow I'm very interested in this
.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
A voicemail, yeah, do you do voicemails now?
We do voicemails.
Yeah, we do voicemails.
A speak pipe.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
People can write in also we got it all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We got it all and I need you guys to start writing
and start looking for voicemailand let us know man, Come on
Look at the show notes.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Don't just listen to the show, Just be like yo.
He's actually looking at me,he's talking to me.
I'm going to write in.
If you don't even know whatcode switching is, still write
in this show is for everybody.
Of who.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Of people who are watching the show or listening
to the show Like a romper room.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I wish we could do polls.
That's what I want to do next.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Hi Jennifer, Hi Adam, Hi Adiola, Hi Chinwe, who else?
Hi Na who else Keep going.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I mean, there's a lot Hi.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Hadassah.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
We got a lot of different.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hi who else?
We got a lot of diversity.
Hi Stephanie.
We got a lot of diversity HiNicole.
Who else?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yo, you're leaving the dudes out.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I don't know dudes, I'm married.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's a good answer.
I love that answer.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I love that.
Like that, hi alden.
Keep going, our friends hi natedr lot.
Keep going well you go, keepgoing, keep going, you keep
going, dr italo, dr italo hi,italo, you know, love is real
pissed off at you but we alwayssay hi to dr love we always
mention it, dr, but he's like Ishould be there first, hi.
Noelle.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Dr Noelle to you.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Anywho, who else?
Who else should we say hi to?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
We have a lot of people Hi, letitia, but I also
know what the algorithms do.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I know what y'all do behavior-wise.
Y'all not listening.
So listen guys.
This is the end of Docs Outsidethe Box.
I love you guys, but I know youguys don't listen to the end.
So let this show do what it do.
Make sure you send us avoicemail, make sure you text us
, make sure you get in touchwith us anywhere in Instagram,
but yo, we're going to end theshow right now.
We love you guys.
Peace, catch you guys on thenext one.
All right guys.
So we just got off a segmentwhere we were talking about a
doc who was making so much moneyon TikTok it surpassed.
It surpassed what she wasmaking at practice in OB
practice.
So if you miss that segment, goback and take a listen, because
we have some very interestingquips on that.
(00:22):
But now we're going to beapparently talking about the
vitals check and dr knee wantsto talk about me.
So what you want to talk?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
about.
That's right, y'all, we areback.
Yo listen the vitals check.
I started it how many episodesago?
One, one episode ago, all right, but listen that's.
I feel like we need to start asegment and I want to start
promoting that you be startingthese segments all the time, and
then they never last more thanlike three or four episodes.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So this is another one, and you guys keep tuning in
because I love you guys andlisten, help me get through this
.
Don't laugh at me.
Audience Support me.
So the vitals check is anopportunity for you to check in
on our personal goals, whetherit be mental health or physical.
The big thing right now isphysical for me.
I'm trying to break 20 minutesin a 5K and bench 250 pounds.
(01:14):
Check out the previous episodewhere I talked about that a
whole episode dedicated to myvitals.
But let's focus on you, drRenee.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
My love.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
What's your question?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
forget, I'm not gonna say it what you always?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm not gonna say it, because why do you start ever
since?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
ever since you hit this milestone and we are able
to put in more into our 401kanyway yo, I've been concerned
about your health.
Talk to us, let us know whatyou're doing I love it.
From a financial standpoint,it's dope any from a physical
standpoint what, what?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
go ahead.
No, you said you're not.
I love it.
From a financial standpointit's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Anywho From a physical standpoint.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
What, what Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, you said you're not going to say it.
Let's talk about your vitals.
Let's talk about the healthvitals.
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
What about it?
I started walking.
No, I started walking.
What's your Okay, so you knowwhat Segment over?
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's it, Guys.
That's how quick her vitalsusually are.
That's it Her physical thingsare grand opening, grand closing
.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, that's it.
So, anyway, I started walking.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Why are you laughing?
But you know it's true, though,right what?
Because you'd be like openingshop, like I'm going to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm going to wear all this gel and stuff and I'm
gonna sweat all this stuff offand then you know, I'm not
wearing the sweat the butter.
What was the sweat butter?
Whatever it's called?
How you know, I'm not wearingit.
How you know, right now I'm notwalking right now?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
my exercising right now for the for potting.
I bet my heart rate right nowis uh 73, we're not talking
about your vitals go ahead, letthem know come on I told you I
started walking.
How far are you walking and howare you doing this?
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So I walk with a friend who's in the neighborhood
and she and I will go out.
We'll do like an hour walk,just walk around the
neighborhood.
We do it at a really brisk pace.
So even though we're talking,we're like out of breath when
we're talking.
So that's how we know isworking.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So you're in zone two .
That's what they would callzone two, or maybe even past
zone two.
Go ahead, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So, yeah, that's what I've started doing so far, and
I am, I subscribe to thistle now.
So it started out one way butit's starting to go another way.
So thistle if you guys don'tknow thistle, thistle is a meal
(03:40):
delivery program, but they focusmore on like salads and like
fresh foods, right?
Um, the problem that Iencountered I like their salads,
but their salads don't haveenough range for me and I
there's a certain way that Ilike my salads and I don't think
(04:00):
I don't think it offers that.
So I started kind of cuttingdown on the salads and doing
more of the fresh cooked food,which actually, if you look at
it and you've had it before,I've made it for you before I
think the portions are actuallypretty big right, bigger than
factor, right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So what's the matter?
What's the matter?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
what's this got to do with your vitals?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
you're asking me what am I doing for my health?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
let's talk about the walking more okay, are you doing
?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
it so I do it as much as I can.
So really, I'm supposed to bedoing it every day, but it also
depends on if I have somethingthat I have to do for my kids,
okay, or you know, if I havesomething that I have to do for
my kids Okay, or you know, if Ihave an appointment or whatever.
So if I have something to do forthe kids that cuts into the
time, then unfortunately I'm notable to walk.
(04:54):
So I would say probably overthe last two or three weeks I've
probably walked maybe three orfour times a week.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's good.
You're definitely doing over amile.
So you're definitely doing overa mile yes, definitely doing
over a mile for sure.
I think it's time to get youlike a Fitbit.
I would like a fit because theyactually my, my walking partner
, and I, we talked about that,yeah.
I like it because like thosethings, because I think it what
it does is it gamifies certainthings, like you're like all
right, well, like we did 5 000steps today, maybe we can do 5
(05:26):
000 and one.
I just think it helps to keepyou like so.
For me, what's already dope isthat you found somebody to
exercise with so I gotta giveyou mad props for that if you
were doing this by yourself, Iwas like I don't know how long
it's gonna last and stuff, butthe fact that you got somebody
else involved, they gonna makesure that you stay accountable
yeah, we keep each otheraccountable.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
We talked about doing potentially a goal of 10,000
steps did you?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
you thought she was gonna get out of this by talking
about food.
Maybe you better talk aboutwhat you walking yeah, but
that's important too.
Like you can't, I like thisfood you know, the salads are
really not man.
You better stick to the walkswhat's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
huh, what's wrong with you?
What's?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
the matter.
I caught you trying to get outof it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
How am I trying to get out of it?
Nii, you asked me what am Idoing for my health?
That's what I'm doing.
I don't get it.
So you wanted me to mentionFitbit.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, I didn't want you to mention it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well then, that's the question you asked me.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But you kind of talked really shortly about it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I walk over a mile walk for it for about an hour is
what I said, and we do it at abrisk pace.
That's peace.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That's what I said that's bad on the sand so keep
going but that's it.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's all I'm doing, that's it, I'm not committing.
I'm not committing to anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm proud of you.
I'm no listen you guys know,she's telling me to clear out.
Yeah, look at that, go ahead,clear.
You guys know I don't like Idon't like to exercise you know
how asinine that sounds how doesthat sound asinine?
I don't like.
You are a doctor, right?
You can't be putting thatinformation out listen, I don't
(06:59):
like it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I didn't say I don't do it.
I said I don't like it youdon't do it I'm doing it now.
That's why we talking about mebut go ahead, keep going okay,
that's why we're talking aboutme.
I don't like it, but I, I do it.
I don't do things consistently,but I am always exercising.
It's not just it's just not.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You pardon, what do you mean?
You always exercising?
It's just not consistent whatwas the exercise before you
started walking several weeksago?
What was the?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
exercise.
I had a personal trainer.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No, no, no, Yo, yo.
How long ago was that personaltrainer Me?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, I mean but that's what I'm saying is that
it's always inconsistent, heyguys.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
This is content over everything.
I love you guys, so we like toshare a lot.
As soon as we stop podcast, assoon as we stop, as soon as we
stop the show, it's going to bea quiet night.
I am in trouble.
I am.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I am quitting this podcast.
You are not quitting thispodcast.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is how you got famous.
This is how you got famous.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I'm Rory and Maul.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
All right, let's transition to something real
quick, I don't want to go intoanother thing, but I want to
know what are two controversialtakes that you want to share.
Are there any controversial?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
takes.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Any controversial takes Any yeah anything.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I told you the hero thing.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That was one.
All right, give me the.
You know anything that's likeyo like.
I hate when people do this.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I hate when you put me on the spot with things like
this because we're not talkingabout any very specific thing.
Now, if you ask me about a veryspecific thing and we're having
like a discussion, I could say,ok, well, my controversial take
on this thing is X, y, z, butit's like some random thing that
I make no sense.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Can I go first?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Go to your notes.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Nii, so I got notes.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Exactly.
Can I go first?
Go to your notes me.
So I got notes exactly.
How do you ask me something Idon't have notes for that, you
coming off like the top of mydome but you wrote.
No, but you guys, I don't usechat you know, just tuning in to
hear us argue now.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I don't use chat GBT for my notes.
I just use chat GBT to help mewith my intro because I'm so
interested to see what it coulddo.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Please.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now the two controversial takes that I want
to share are folks don'tunderstand rapping anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, that was anticlimactic.
But okay, Go ahead.
No.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm serious, the way how rapping is, the way how
music industry is, people don'treally understand a true MC.
What is the true essence of amaster of ceremonies?
What is the true essence of alyricist?
We are seeing that right now,but I think a lot of people
aren't paying attention.
You know me how I feel aboutkendrick lamar, right, I also
(09:40):
feel the same way about clips um.
I also feel the same way aboutwho else I feel j cole, um,
those.
These are some of the peopleright now who I think are
amazing lyricists, mcs.
But you know, this goes back,as you know, caris one,
chuck-hmm, chuck D.
(10:01):
But the reason why I broughtthis up because I started
thinking about this I was likeyo, I don't play music,
particularly the music that Ilisten to.
I don't play that in theoperating room.
Do you play music in theoperating?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
room.
No, but I'm not in theoperating room the way that I
used to be.
But when I was in the operatingroom, yes, I did used to play
music in the operating room.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
What kind of music did you play in the operating
room?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sometimes I would tell them honestly what I would
do.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Guys, there's always a rhyme and reason, and ChatGPT
can't do that, so don't diss mynotes.
All right, my?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
notes are real notes.
What I would do is I would tellthem especially when I was in
idaho I'd say play dead people.
Only, what do you mean?
I only want death, people whohave people who are dead
interesting, so, but that wouldget me a lot of michael jackson,
because michael jackson wasdead by that point jimmy hendrix
(10:54):
jimmy hendrix, give me um whoelse else Whitney Houston Died
in that year?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Amy.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Winehouse.
No, I never really Listened toAmy Winehouse.
I didn't actually know who AmyWinehouse was when she died.
I only knew her after she died.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Queen?
Yeah, no, not really.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It was mostly like R&B, so you let them choose.
But R&B dead people, but r&bdead people, like r&b dead
people.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It wasn't just like just anybody, it was like r&b
dead people, so I I used to playmusic, but I I would play music
, so I would have my phoneattached, like you know, do the
pairing to the the speakers andmy list was what do you call?
It Was a like what's the bestway I could describe it?
(11:44):
It was non-explicit on purpose,right, you know cause I, you
don't want to offend people, Idon't want to offend people and
then, like you know, there'ssome really good music out there
and I just didn't want to hearit you don't want to play.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
no freaking, get money by.
I don't want people saying theN word, it's just like yo, you
know, you know what I'm saying.
Get money.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
What you saying, huh.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get money, what you saying what you saying, huh.
Get money.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh my.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
God.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yo 95.
Yo you guys had to be there.
Everybody who wasn't outside in94, 95.
Oh my god, yo biggie yo thatwhole junior mafia oh my gosh
anyway, here's another one,here's another one, here's
another one, here's another one.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Code switching oh so that's a hot take, that's a hot
take.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
What do you think about code switching?
Do you code code switch?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Of course I code switch.
Listen, every black person codeswitches, except for Ryan
Coogler.
Shout out to Ryan Coogler RyanCoogler, just be like we talking
.
I don't care who the hell I'mtalking to.
We talking like this.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The first filmmaker that I started looking up to
when I was growing up.
It's a complicated question forme because it was really like
two that I admired.
It was Spike Lee and JohnSingleton, and they were the two
filmmakers whose films Iremember seeing first, like my
first theatrical experience thatI remember that was formative
for me was Boys in the Hood.
Okay, do you want to?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
actually is this another thing, because I really
want to talk about codeswitching Is that a thing?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, it is a thing.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No.
Is that a new theme for this?
Is that a new segment that weshould be talking?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
about?
No, absolutely not.
I'm not doing a whole segmenton code switching.
That just don't make no sense.
We talk about it today.
I'm not talking about codeswitching every single, because
there's people who don't knowwhat code switching is.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah code switching is essentially when you and I'm
the biggest culprit of codeswitching.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
No, you're not.
Yes, I am yes, I am yeah.
I could code switch on thispodcast right now if I could.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Carlton.
Yo Jay, what Shh Hi roomie,that's called leaving me hanging
, because my hand is literallyleft hanging in the air, but
that's me code switching intoCarlton, of course well, code
switching is essentiallyespecially for black people is
(14:14):
when you you fix your vernacularor not fix it happens in
immigrant populations, of courseof course, but you make your
vernacular so that it is moreunderstandable and acceptable to
(14:34):
norm.
To like white Americans is theway I would describe it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, changing your speech changing how you dress
changing your hair appearance tobasically fit the norms in the
hospital.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, so I think everybody code switches to some
extent.
I think some people code switchmore than others, but yeah, I
think for me usually the codeswitching occurs more for.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Do you code switch?
How are you with patientsversus?
How you are with colleaguesversus like?
What's your thoughts there?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So it depends Right Like I might code switch.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And I'll tell everybody I code switch, I might
code, might code.
I don't want to code switchanymore, I might code switch
with patients.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I might code switch with patients to give them some
level of comfortability, right,because I'm like, well, I'm, I'm
the doctor, so I'm, I'm, youknow, like I don't need to code
switch because, you know,because of some specific gain
(15:41):
I'm trying to get.
But I might code switch forsome level of comfortability for
the patient, you know, to beable to kind of feel like they
can express whatever it is thatthey need to express.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Gotcha, right Gotcha, I think.
I think what folks who are notused to code, switching what
they, what they're missing ormaybe what they may be seeking,
is like why and I think there'scertain ways in which people
talk outside of the hospitalthat they may feel uncomfortable
.
They may be looked upon as lessprofessional if they use that.
(16:17):
Yeah, yeah, if they use thattalking in the hospital, even
though obviously this person whomay be code switching has shown
and proven that they can bethere.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't even think that.
So before, before I ever knewthe word code switching, right,
there is the notion that there'sa professional way to speak and
(16:51):
then there's a non-professionalway of speaking.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So we greet like this Yo what up?
Yo you chilling?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But in the hospital we may be like oh sir, hey, dr
Rene, how are you doing today?
Oh, how are you, how are you?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
buddy.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That's an example right there guys.
So, Alfred put that in blackand white.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
But I think that you know there, before I even knew
what code switching was right.
It was no, this is theprofessional way of speaking and
this is a non-professional wayof speaking which you know now
that I'm older and I understand.
You know certain things, livethrough life, you know all kinds
of things.
I'm like no, what'sprofessional is what I do
(17:29):
overall right.
The way I speak doesn'tnecessarily right the the accent
in which I speak right doesn'tnecessarily right.
The accent in which I speakright doesn't necessarily
dictate whether or not you knowI'm professional right.
Like that doesn't dictate thatright.
There are things that areprofessional versus
(17:50):
non-professional right.
For example, you're not goingto go in and be profane.
That is unprofessional right.
Like that's just unprofessional.
It doesn't matter if you'redoing it with a you know what do
they call that New Englandaccent.
Or if you're doing it, you know, using Ebonics.
You remember Ebonics?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Whatever happened to?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Ebonics, what the hell happened to?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
it.
But people from the south ofBoston, though, because I always
wonder like folks from like thesouth of, was the south Boston?
Yes, like they have.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm in.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
They have a big dialect issue, right, yeah, I
wonder if they feel that issuealso.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't know, but there I was watching something
about like that whole, thatwhole like New England accent.
When you watch like these oldshows, especially you know the
shows that had more white peopleon it, where they have this way
of talking, that is just very,you know, kind of it's.
(18:50):
It's almost like it wants to beBritish but it just doesn't
quite get to the British accent.
In the United States it'salmost like it wants to be
British but it just doesn'tquite get to the British accent.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You're talking about in the United States.
In the United States, oh, okay,yeah, okay gotcha.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's almost like it wants to be British but it
doesn't get quite to the Britishaccent, and so that particular
accent then became kind of thewell, this is how you're
supposed to speak properly,right, and so that went on for
many, many years, right, and sothat that went on for many, many
(19:20):
years.
And I think, you know,especially in the era that we
grew up, you know, with ourparents essentially being, you
know, baby boomers, I think wegot, you know, I think that hell
, yeah, I think we got the thethere's no room for what?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
do you call it for non-being able if you can't code
switch?
yeah that's a problem becauselisten, guys, like to a lot of
people, code switching issurvival, right, like you cannot
go into a hospital, excuse me,we were trained to know that
there's a certain way in whichwe got to present ourselves,
even though we may talk adifferent way.
We may talk in slang not all ofus, obviously right but like
(19:55):
there's a certain comfortabilitythat me and Renee may have with
each other, we may talk acertain way outside of the
hospital that we just don't doin the hospital.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Anybody who's listening to the show.
You know what I'm talking about, right, if you know, you know,
right, and I think what I thinkabout sometimes is it could be
fatiguing, right, because we'vewe've heard some people talk
about that when they go intoresidency or when they become
attendings, depending on whichneighborhood they decide to work
in, it could be kind offatiguing, you know to
(20:24):
constantly.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
They're speaking in an accent constantly.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They feel like it's on their mind.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I've never felt that way, but I always think about
that.
Like man, it must be likethat's got to be tough.
You feel like you walk into aroom and people are perceiving
you a certain way, or you feellike you have to change.
Like you said, you're speakingin an accent that is not
comfortable for you.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's not comfortable for you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I like how you mentioned the whole concept of
well, look, if you're speakingprofane, we're not talking about
that Right, we're not talkingabout that right, we're not
talking about this because I'msaying that's, that's
non-professional.
Yeah, like we are, no matterwhat accent you speak.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Like we got to set the boundaries, yeah there and
stuff but I, like I said, Ithink that people code switch to
a certain extent and somepeople code switch to completely
change who.
They are right.
I remember when I was applyingfor medical school and at that
point, you know, I didn't havethe relaxer in my hair anymore.
I hadn't had a relaxer in myhair for, like I don't know,
(21:23):
almost almost five years or fiveyears.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It explains for them, right.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So relaxers or relaxer, usually black women.
If they get a relaxer, it'susually to straighten their hair
Dark and lovely PCBG.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
What is it?
Pcbj or TCBY?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, straighten their hair.
Dark and lovely pcbj what is it?
Pcbj?
Or tcby, yeah, something likethat.
I don't even remember what theyeah, but dark and lovely was
definitely one put it right inthe roots yeah, so you know that
was that creamy crack, all thatum.
so yeah, I hadn't had a relaxerat that point since my last year
(21:59):
of college.
Like, I took out the relaxer, Ilet it grow out and was wearing
my natural hair and I got askedif I was going to relax my hair
or straighten my hair for myinterviews.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Who asked you that?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
A cousin of mine, okay, and I was like, well, how
were you wearing your hair?
That A cousin of mine, okay,and I was like Well, how were
you wearing your hair before?
Was it like it was just twisted.
I would twist it sometimes or Iwould just, you know, sometimes
braid it.
I didn't even used to wearextensions at that point in my
hair.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I was just like I'm done with extensions I don't
think I've ever seen you withextensions with extensions, of
course you see me withextensions.
Babe, I had extensions lastyear?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
what about in med?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
school.
No, okay, that's what I'mtalking about.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, no, I haven't had extensions.
Well, the first time I put inits extensions since you met me
was last year yeah don't do thatagain, though you're not crazy
about those things.
So, anyway, I'm not crazy aboutthem either but lucky, we
married anyway, please, anyway,every now and then I would put
in extensions, but at that pointI wasn't even wearing
(23:02):
extensions because I felt it wasjust too much maintenance for
me.
Take, I didn't like taking outthe extension, so I wouldn't do
that, so I would just wear myhair, that's it.
And so I got asked if I wasgoing to change my hair for my
interviews.
Was I going to straighten myhair?
And I was like, for what?
And honestly I will tell you atthat point now you got to
(23:25):
remember I'm like 26 years oldat this point I really did not
understand the concept of youlike that.
There were places where youthat would not accept my kinky
hair.
I didn't get that concept.
I really didn't what about?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
what about a dude?
What do you advice?
Because you work a lot withpre-meds, you work a lot with
med students mm-hmm they'regonna go on interviews.
What do you?
What advice do you give to likea guy who may have um locks,
locks, cornrows, keep them,things like that keep them, you
know keep.
(24:06):
Keep your locks, you know youdon't ever give the advice of
like you just got to get throughthe door first.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like get through, like the interview first get
accepted first, then do what youcan do.
No, I don't, because I feellike that sets you up for really
bad imposter syndrome.
Really bad imposter syndrome,yo Renee yo come on yo.
I don't like to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I had that in my notes.
Actually imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I don't like to do that.
I know that there are peoplewho give that advice.
I personally do not give thatadvice because I don't like to
set people up for impostersyndrome so you want them to
show up authentic show, show upauthentically.
Now I want to be clear on this,though right, there is
professional hair and there isunprofessional hair there is you
(24:55):
know, just because you havenatural hair right, naturally
kinky hair doesn't mean thatevery single hairstyle is for
the workplace.
You can have your natural hairbut still wear professional
hairstyles right.
So I don't expect a whiteperson to come in with punk rock
(25:16):
hair.
For me that would be consideredunprofessional.
That's not usually the way thatwe would, you know that we
would accept it.
Now, that's just me, the waythat I grew up you're cooking,
that's that's what I like.
I don't expect punk rock hairat an interview what about?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
what do you call it right?
What do you call that thingparty?
What business in the frontparty in the back?
What do you call a mullet,mullet, yeah, that should be
banned altogether.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Okay, nobody should be wearing a mullet.
Nobody, even hockey, I nobody.
I don't care.
If you're canadian, I don'tcare, no mullet.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Hey, we'll fold you up.
We'll fold you up.
No, you heard drake.
He's coming back.
Oh, what did I miss?
He need a mullet.
He got a hit.
Now, what did I miss?
He need a mullet.
Yo, drake is coming back.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
For real, though okay , well, maybe I'm mullet I know,
I know that was your favorite.
He was your favorite whatever,I couldn't even name a drake
song you love drake.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You love drake who?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
love drake me, I don't even know a drake.
The ladies love whatever anyway, move on, move on keep going,
keep going, keep the topic goingno, but yeah, no, I don't, I
don't give that advice.
I, you know, I say, if you'regoing to go, if men, if you have
locks, put your locks.
You know, wear your locks, butyou know obviously make sure you
grease up the between areas,guys.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Grease up the between yo.
You can't be going and doingthis greasing that between twist
.
Back in the day too, guys, Iused to have twists, you did, I
know y'all see me on YouTube, melike you.
This mug is bald as hell y'allhe ain't got guys.
I'm telling you, when I waslooking back in med school, I
was looking GQ ish, I waslooking like Tay delicious yo
(26:51):
and I have my hair is in a twistdon't say Tay delicious.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, I used to announce yo.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I said my hair is in a twist and to announce it.
I used to have my hairs in atwist and everything.
You did it for me, remember Idid, I did, used to twist your
hair, and that was the reasonwhy I lost my hair?
Because you twisted it too much.
Okay, you twisted it too tightespecially back here.
And then you twisted it toomuch right here.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And that's what made my hairline recede.
Yo and he what?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
What you talking about.
Don't talk about my mom yo.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Okay, I'll tell her not to give you male pattern
baldness.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
See, we always got to relate it.
See, guys, you guys think Doc'sOutside the Box is just about
like money, medicine andeverything.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We give medical advice too.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We actually talk about medical advice too.
So thanks, mom, for hooking meup with that X gene with the
male pattern baldness yo.
But you didn it too tightthough get out of here.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
If I can find a picture, I'm gonna give it up to
put up there and be like yo.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
This is I used to have twists in my hair.
I just have a full head of hair.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You think I look better now or with hair yeah, I
know, don't answer the question.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You're not answering the question.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'm answering the question.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Hey, look better now bald does it bother you that men
get better looking as they?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
know it bothers me so much I can't sleep at night
over it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I'm so bothered.
What about for women, though?
What about it?
You know, they do say that menget better looking as they get
older.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, they do for a little bit, yeah, they do.
Everybody's got to have theirheyday, Nia.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
When was yours?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Mine.
I think my heyday was probablywhen I was like in my 30s.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Can I comment?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Comment.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
No, I agree with you.
Oh, okay, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh, so you're getting in trouble, because now you're
supposed to say my heyday is now.
Now you're in big trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh, some reflections on this.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Change that topic real quick.
Yes, what do you tell?
What do you tell students?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I tell them everything you say.
I say listen, man, where you'reoff, be authentic yo.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But, like I tell them , like you know, look, there are
things that are appropriate,there are things that are
inappropriate.
I, like you, know when yourhairstyle is appropriate versus
is inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like I, I can't, you know, you know right.
Like, for example, should youwear Tim's on an interview?
No Right, I can't work, youcan't wear Tim's.
I'm trying to work up, I'mtrying to come authentic.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah Me.
What if you got heels on your,on your Tim's?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
heels on your.
Oh, they still do that.
Yo, you remember that 2003,2004, 2005.
Yo, they went too far.
They went too far.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
But yeah, no, I mean yo code switching.
Is it really depending?
Depending on, I think, how faryou go?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
How about this?
Have you ever code switched?
Excuse me, have you everswitched out to a colleague in
the hospital and they didn'trecognize that?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
How to make you feel what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So you know how you code switch like you mask on and
you're in the hospital, right,but did you ever I'm sure you've
been around docs that you feellike you can take the mask off
on and they didn't reciprocate?
You ever had that?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
They've all reciprocated with you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't know that I've ever I've had docs.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'll say it.
I've had docs that I thoughtthat I could take the mask off
on and like.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And they were Carlton .
It was yeah, it was extremely.
It was authentic.
It wasn't code switching forthem.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Extremely awkward I was like Wow.
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I've never yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I've never encountered that.
I have encountered where I'mlike saying something, I'm
telling something in a like youknow, let's say I'm talking to
the nurses and I'm telling thema story or something, and like
there's something that I need tosay that just cannot be code
switched and I got to say itlike this but see, you're trying
(30:48):
too hard right now.
No, I'm saying like that's likeyou know, like I noticed, you
know like that kind of All right.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Let me ask the audience, yo, when have you felt
like you had to code switch inmedicine?
Send us a voicemail, let usknow I'm very interested in this
.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
A voicemail, yeah, do you do voicemails now?
We do voicemails.
Yeah, we do voicemails.
A speak pipe.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
People can write in also we got it all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We got it all and I need you guys to start writing
and start looking for voicemailand let us know man, Come on
Look at the show notes.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Don't just listen to the show, Just be like yo.
He's actually looking at me,he's talking to me.
I'm going to write in.
If you don't even know whatcode switching is, still write
in this show is for everybody.
Of who.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Of people who are watching the show or listening
to the show Like a romper room.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I wish we could do polls.
That's what I want to do next.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Hi Jennifer, Hi Adam, Hi Adiola, Hi Chinwe, who else?
Hi Na who else Keep going.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I mean, there's a lot Hi.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Hadassah.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
We got a lot of different.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hi who else?
We got a lot of diversity.
Hi Stephanie.
We got a lot of diversity HiNicole.
Who else?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yo, you're leaving the dudes out.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I don't know dudes, I'm married.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's a good answer.
I love that answer.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I love that.
Like that, hi alden.
Keep going, our friends hi natedr lot.
Keep going well you go, keepgoing, keep going, you keep
going, dr italo, dr italo hi,italo, you know, love is real
pissed off at you but we alwayssay hi to dr love we always
mention it, dr, but he's like Ishould be there first, hi.
Noelle.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Dr Noelle to you.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Anywho, who else?
Who else should we say hi to?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
We have a lot of people Hi, letitia, but I also
know what the algorithms do.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I know what y'all do behavior-wise.
Y'all not listening.
So listen guys.
This is the end of Docs Outsidethe Box.
I love you guys, but I know youguys don't listen to the end.
So let this show do what it do.
Make sure you send us avoicemail, make sure you text us
, make sure you get in touchwith us anywhere in Instagram,
but yo, we're going to end theshow right now.
We love you guys.
Peace, catch you guys on thenext one.
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