June 11, 2025 • 75 mins
What happens when desperation meets deception in the shadowy world of underground medicine? Meet Rick Van Thiel, a convicted felon with no medical training who operated an "alternative clinic" from a filthy trailer in Las Vegas, performing procedures he learned from YouTube videos—often while completely naked.
This episode serves as a powerful reminder about the vital importance of medical licensing, regulation, and accessible healthcare. If you've ever been tempted by miracle cures or alternative treatments that seem too good to be true, this cautionary tale might make you think twice. Share your thoughts with us on social media @doctoringthetruthpodcast—have you encountered medical fraud or suspicious practitioners?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Amanda Jenna Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh you know, thriving first day of summer break.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So this is what it looks like to be on summer
vacation.
I'm so jealous.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, thank you, I'm glowing already.
Hello friends, yes, it's myfirst day of summer break and
I'm not even gonna say how many,nearly how many decades it's
been since I've had one of those.
Um, but day one doing prettyfine, pretty happy about it,
pretty doesn't feel real yetreally oh, I bet, yeah, um well,
(00:40):
I'm happy for you I would liketo live vicariously.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I slogged it out at work today and, um, I will say
that when I left work.
Can I tell a quick little?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
story yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I was kind of like oh , it's Monday, all this
equipment broke down, all thesethings to do, oh man, the week
is going to be so busy.
And then, as I'm walking acrossthe lobby, there's this poor
grandma.
She's, she's chasing thistoddler, he's like three or
something and he's waving thispicture book around.
(01:17):
It has like animals on it andhe starts screaming at the top
of his lungs I want to see thetitt.
I want to see the titties.
I want to see the titties.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The titties.
Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was so funny, it was so cute, so I left with a
smile on my dial and that's whatmatters.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I love that.
Thank you, child, for putting asmile on our girl's face.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I was like wow, wow, they're starting them young.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wow, how do you know about that friend yike?
Oh man, um toddlers, yeah, forreal, they're so fun.
They are fun, though, but wow,some of them are headstrong.
Eh, busy, yep, uh.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Correction section yeah, um, I I can tell who's a
dedicated listener by by thosepeople who, um, have reached out
to me to let me know that, yes,there's a long at the end of
the last episode, 19,.
A long bit of silence followedby a little recap of our chart
(02:33):
note.
Well, my chart note redo.
So I will say just enjoy thatlittle Easter egg.
It's there because last weekwas the first time I had
actually attempted to patch in arecording after the fact, and
if you have a listen, you'll seewhy and you're welcome it was
(02:54):
hilarious.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
She had told me I have a surprise for you in the
next episode, if you want tolisten early, like it's posted
on our thing and I was like, ohmy gosh, what could that
possibly be?
But I didn't know.
My girl was sitting here, itsavvy pageant and audio.
So when I heard it I was likeoh my gosh, that's so funny so
(03:17):
funny.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh, it needed to happen.
If ever it needed to happen inan episode that was, I can't
believe you were so kind and youdidn't tell me like, okay,
that's enough already aboutfluoride and water, but I
learned a lot.
Anyway, somehow there's aphantom bit of recording at the
end.
When I went back to the rawrecording I couldn't find it
anywhere.
So it's it's there to haunt allof us.
(03:39):
Enjoy, like I said, but that'syour question.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So thank you to all the dedicated listeners that
were like wait, where's the rockmusic at the end?
The only other thing I wantedto touch on before we started is
this probably happens a lot inour recordings, but I
specifically noticed when I waslistening to episode 19, the
last one.
I specifically noticed when Iwas listening to episode 19, the
last one, that I was saying alot of like Midwest verbiage or
(04:10):
like Minnesota verbiage, and Ijust did it when you were like,
can I share a little story quick?
And I said yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I don't know what I said,but I was like, oh okay, this
ties into my Minnesota thing.
So if you're from the Midwest,you will understand the guide
that I'm going to give, but ifyou are not from here, here is a
guide of how to speakMidwestern, because some of the
(04:30):
things that we say are honestlykind of ridiculous, but we grew
up with it and it's the way itis and we can't stop.
We, absolutely I can tell you,we can't stop.
So it's more of a guide of howto speak the ya-no-ya's and the
no-ya-no's.
So number one no-ya means yes,ya-no means no, like definitely
(04:57):
not.
Ya-no-ya means maybe meansmaybe, um, yeah.
No for sure means definitely,yeah, no, wait, yeah, no, yeah,
okay, wait, I have this on heretwice, but this one I wrote yeah
, no, yeah is is like.
I'm sorry.
Unfortunately the answer isstill yes.
(05:19):
So I guess that one has a dualmeaning.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh, great yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, no, yeah, and then I threw in a couple extra
that are not a ya knows, butwhelp.
So this word is used a lot byMidwesterners and it can either
be identified as an exclamationpoint to whatever's happening,
like whelp, or a short way ofsaying I guess that's just how
(05:45):
it goes.
And number eight, oh, um, this,I'm not sure we can really call
this a word, but so, like,picture this we're in a grocery
store aisle and, like you,accidentally bump into someone
else shopping and you go, oh,and that just it's like a
shorthanded apology oh my gosh,I love this so much.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Why did no one teach me this when I first moved here?
I don't know.
I think I've picked this upwithout even realizing that I
was doing it, I think.
I do this too.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm Felina Snowden.
Yeah, no, yeah, no, because I'mnot sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, what I said earlier, that I said yeah, no
for sure.
That means, of course,absolutely.
So basically, just hang inthere with us because it's
something we can't stop.
But there's a little guide.
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So, as I mentioned last week,we're going to be covering a
(08:10):
real doozy, so I guess there'sno time like the present to
buckle our seats and we'll diveright in.
The trigger warnings for todayare abortion and suicide and,
honestly, as I reread thisearlier today, I today I thought
, oh, I should put that as atrigger warning, but I remember
now, so there might be anotherone in there.
(08:30):
So I'm sorry, sorry.
Oh yeah, I can't remember it.
I thought I just had it, butshe don't listen, they know that
they're.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
we mark this as exclusive, exclusive, explicit.
It's Explicit, it's exclusive.
You guys are all, y'all areexclusively invited, but it's
also explicit material.
So you know there are going tobe some things that are shocking
, otherwise we probably wouldn'tbe talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, and I just remembered it Rape Got it, okay,
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Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, so, like I said , a doozy Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So, like I said, a doozy right, um, but like with
all these trigger warnings,nothing is like like in-depth
details or anything.
Just know that it's a part ofthe story and so if that's
triggering for you to even hearabout anything to do with that,
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Okay, so, anyway, here.
Anyway, here we go.
In Las Vegas, Nevada, a cityknown for bright lights, big
(09:30):
winds and endless distractions,one young man was waging a
deeply personal, quiet war.
His name was Randy Valenzuelaand he was never one to blend in
.
The oldest of five children, hestood out not just because he
was handsome, headstrong andendlessly energetic, but because
(09:52):
he refused to live small.
He came out in high school longbefore.
It was easy to do.
Which quick sidebar, happypride month, everybody.
He was bold.
He was bold and brave, alwaysdancing, always laughing.
He frequently joked that he wasoriginal, not extra crispy.
(10:14):
That was Randy,unapologetically himself.
But in 2005, at just 25 yearsold, Randy received a diagnosis
that stopped time HIV.
He was floored, and so was hisfamily, but he made it very
clear from day one he was goingto fight or die.
Trying, Randy threw himselfinto research.
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He read, he asked questions.
He refused to accept the ideathat this was a death sentence.
His family supported him evenwhen the treatments began to
take a toll, because the truthis, living with HIV isn't just
about the virus.
It's about the medication, theside effects and the
psychological warfare it wageson the mind.
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Gabrielle Brannon, Chelsea, metRandy in 2011 when they quickly
became close friends.
She learned early on that HIVwasn't just something that Randy
had.
It was something that he wasactively at war with.
She watched him pour hours intoresearching, always looking for
new therapies, new studies, anypossibility of a cure.
(11:18):
In 2012, seven years after hisinitial diagnosis, he became
even more sick.
He lost over 200 T-cells in onemonth, leaving him at 199.
As we know, because we'vecovered AIDS and HIV a lot,
anything lower than 200 T-cellsis a qualifier for having AIDS,
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and this became Randy's newdiagnosis.
Aids develops when the HIVvirus has caused serious damage
to the immune system.
We also know that there is nocure.
Patients with AIDS receiveantiretroviral therapy, ART,
which is a combination of two ormore medications that attack
the virus and is commonlyreferred to as a cocktail.
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It has proven successful inreducing the amount of virus
present in the body, allowingthe immune system to recover.
With the right treatment,people with AIDS can live very
long lives.
However, the same drugs thatare saving their lives often
cause severe side effects likenausea and depression.
Patients can find these sideeffects to be unbearable.
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Patients can find these sideeffects to be unbearable.
Randy was prescribed this verycocktail of medications.
The virus was not detectablewhen he was on the pills, but
they made him very, very sick.
He said that the pills weremessing with him mentally and he
told his mother that he feltlike he was going psychotic and
that he was afraid of losing hismind.
Then, one day, he foundsomething.
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He went to Gabrielle excited,full of energy and hope.
He discovered a treatmentonline called ozone therapy,
paired with pulsedelectromagnetic field therapy.
The claims were bold thetreatment would detoxify the
blood, destroy viruses andrestore the immune system.
Randy believed that he had foundthe answer, that this would
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cure him.
Gabrielle, on the other hand,was skeptical.
There wasn't much sciencebehind it and it seemed as
though it had very littleregulation.
She couldn't find that therewere any other licensed
providers providing thistreatment.
But Randy was desperate, anddesperation doesn't always wait
for peer-reviewed journals, andhe established care immediately
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for the treatment.
His mom began to notice that hewas starting to look healthy
again.
His skin was brighter, his eyeswere clearer.
She saw that spark in him againand when she told him so, he
said I am so glad that younoticed and shared that he had
been seeing a man called Dr Rick, a man that was not a name from
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any clinic or specialist list,no formal office address, no
credentials posted anywhereonline.
Randy explained that Dr Rickwas an underground doctor that
he found on Craigslist what Iknow.
Oh wow.
Rick had guaranteed that hecould cure Randy not manage, but
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cure.
His treatment protocol wasdaily sessions for eight weeks
and it was $130 a session.
Excited, he invited his mom toattend one of the treatment
sessions that night.
Randy's mom was up all nightresearching ozone treatment, as
any mother would.
She was skeptical.
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If there was a treatment thatwould cure it, why wasn't
everyone using it?
She found articles praisingozone therapy for detoxing the
body.
Websites suggested thateverybody should get a treatment
at least once a year to rid thebody of toxins.
She found nothing alarming, nored flags.
She thought, wow, maybe Randyreally did find a cure and the
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next day she would join him.
The whole way to theappointment, Randy kept
reminding his mother to keep anopen mind.
The address led to a rundowncamper trailer parked in the
backyard of a compound.
When they knocked on the door,a naked man answered.
What?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Sorry, I'm trying to keep quiet what.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Nikki pants.
Oh, actually lack of pants,nikki.
Inside the place was filthy,garbage, clutter shit everywhere
.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Not literal, but so all the toxins that he's ridding
from his patients are goinginto his trailer.
Yeah, dude, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Is this the practitioner?
There were no signs of amedical practice, but Randy
wasn't fazed.
He introduced his mom to thisman, to Rick, and Rick explained
ozone therapy to his mom, withtotal confidence in the
treatment Naked mind you.
He said that it would cleanRandy's blood, re-oxygenate it
and then pump it back into thebody.
He said it would clean Randy'sblood, re-oxygenate it and then
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pump it back into the body.
He claimed that the treatmentwould purify him, rid him of the
virus entirely.
His mom watched as Rick, withno gloves, inserted a needle
into Randy's arm and blood wenteverywhere.
Rick didn't even flinch.
He said I'm not scared of thevirus.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I can cure it who?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
said that Rick, rick, because he would blood squirt
whenever he's like I'm notscared, whatever, I'll just cure
myself if I get it.
In addition to the ozonetreatment, rick had another idea
.
He told Randy to stop takinghis cocktail of medications.
He said he didn't need themanyhow.
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Now, now that he had ozonetherapy and Randy listened, he
believed in him.
He thought Rick was a geniusand truly thought that he could
cure AIDS.
Rick went as far as to write aletter to Randy's doctor to
advise him that he no longerneeded treatment from a
traditional doctor and that hewas now under his care.
And the letter read.
The letter read, and there is agrammatical error in here.
(17:08):
But y'all, I didn't write thisletter, I'm just reading it.
Okay, this letter is to informyou that Randy Valenzuela is
being treated for HIV at thistime in a private clinic under
private contract.
The expected time need tocomplete the treatment process
is about two weeks.
Feel free to call or email meat help at itsonlynaturalme if
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you have any questions.
This communication isconfidential and for Randy and
your eyes only.
Uh, okay, red flag.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Eek, oh, I can't.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It just only gets worse gets worse, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean, this is shades of gary, null right this
is yeah, no bueno, no bueno.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
The ozone treatment seemed like they were working.
His skin really was glowing, hewas happier.
He looked and felt better.
He then took a home HIV testand the results were negative.
What?
He and his family were ecstatic.
However, home test kits werenot highly accurate.
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They could produce a false,negative one in every 12 tests.
But for Randy and his family itwas the result they had been
praying for.
Two years later everythingchanged again.
Randy contracted HIV again.
He was devastated, ashamed.
He had been cured and now hewas sick again.
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His mom picked up the phone andcalled Rick, who said oh, that
poor kid, bring him on in.
And so they did.
But something was different now.
There was no treatment schedule, no structure.
Rick didn't ask Randy to followany sort of regimen.
It was more of a come when youcan vibe.
It was very casual, moresporadic, and Randy,
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unfortunately, wasn't gettingany better.
Soon after he started thetreatment again, he got a cough
that he just couldn't shake.
Started the treatment, again,he got a cough that he just
couldn't shake.
He knew something was wrong andhe asked Rick why isn't this
working?
Rick brushed it off, tellinghim not to worry.
He promised he'd see a changesoon, but Randy unfortunately
would never see that change.
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He continued to get worse.
He could feel it.
Eventually he wanted to foregoall treatment.
He was giving up and he diedtwo weeks later.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Two days after his death, his mom called Rick to
let him know and Rick simplysaid oh okay, thanks for letting
me know, and hung up.
What?
No empathy, no shock, no sorry,just click.
Oh, which?
This seems to be a common themeamongst these pukes that we
cover, does it not?
Yes, it does.
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It's disgusting.
Unfortunately, Randy put hisfaith in a cure that wasn't real
.
What he was given was a therapyknown as major autohemotherapy,
a form of ozone treatment whereblood is drawn from the body,
mixed with ozone gas and thenre-injected.
In theory, it saturates theblood with oxygen and cleanses
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it of viruses and bacteria.
Some, like Dr Rick Van Thiel,claimed it could treat
everything from cancer tochronic pain to HIV, but in
practice there are no approvedmedical uses for ozone therapy
in the treatment of HIV or AIDS.
Not a single healthorganization in the United
States recommends it.
In fact, the FDA explicitlywarns against it.
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But Rick didn't believe in theFDA.
In fact, he didn't believe ingovernment authority.
Rick was a sovereign citizen.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oh, okay, that explains it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Sovereign citizens are part of an anti-government
extremist movement whose membersdo not recognize US laws.
Rick had a violent criminalhistory with multiple felony
convictions in California andNevada, including incidents
involving firearms and assaultcausing major bodily harm.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh, I'm not surprised .
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, I know right, he wasn't just practicing
unorthodox medicine, he was aconvicted felon, a repeat
offender, an absolute threat.
And now we're going to trysomething new because, as I was
telling Jenna, there is nopicture I can paint to fully
encapsulate this guy, so I'mgoing to play a video recording.
(21:26):
All these videos of him arestill on YouTube and I've posted
in the show notes um myresources, but um, here's a
little clip to give you a littleidea about our little sovereign
friend, um Mr Rick Van Thiel.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Demand a plan.
I've got a plan.
I've got a really good plan foryou.
Stick to the fucking SecondAmendment.
What the fuck do you think thisis all about?
You're sitting here crying inall your videos because, oh, I
lost somebody so big deal,because, oh, I lost somebody so
(22:06):
big deal.
I'm not saying that, even ifyou're telling the truth and you
lost somebody that got shot orwhatever, sorry about that, but
you ain't going to blame thefucking firearm, blame the
motherfucker that shot him.
Now, god, I don't even knowwhere the fuck to start.
You guys are so wrong.
You're as wrong as two boys,fucking Son.
(22:28):
I don't mean to offend youhomosexuals, but the problem is
you, you gotta.
Here's my plan.
The Second Amendment says thepeople have the right to keep
and bear arms.
This right shall not beinfringed.
Okay, we all know that.
You can fucking read Now theGun Control Act back in the 30s
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that took away the assaultrifles.
You've got the Gun Control Actof 68 that says that crazies and
felons can't have one.
And you've got the Brady Billand felons can't have one.
And you've got the brady billand you got a whole bunch of
this shit, all kinds of what youcall laws and acts regulations.
(23:12):
Oh god, let me start on thefucking atf that write their own
regulations and then to treatthem as if they're fucking laws.
They're not laws, neither areyour stupid acts.
But the point is is that thesecond amendment says this right
shall not be infringed.
It gives no list of acceptableinfringements not a single one.
(23:36):
So here's what you got to do,and don't go blaming ron paul,
because I sound crazy.
By the way, I'm just pissed offat you motherfuckers trying to
take my firearms rights, becauseevery time you take the
firearms rights away from anycountry, what goes next?
Mass murder.
It's everywhere you gotregistration confiscation, mass
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murder.
Get it through your fuckinghead.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So see how I couldn't really do justice on painting
that picture for you wow, thisis supposedly a doctor.
Oh yeah, trying to help peopleright and I don't know if you
picked up on all the chickens inthe background, could you?
You hear them Just cluckingaway?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean, I thought I could hear some some.
Yeah, it sounded like he was ina barn, but he certainly was
raised in a barn.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
With that mouth I've been to third world countries
for like mission trips andthings and like guys.
That's what it sounds like.
Like what?
What kind of compound are youliving on, friend, and you're
treating people what?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
yeah, and, by the way , we're trying to ban assault
weapons not all guns and takeaway people's rights to own guns
.
Come on now and you're talkingabout mass murders.
Mass murders are alreadyhappening in schools.
Yeah anyway, um, anyway, I knowthis was a political trip, but
wow, what a mouth on him.
And he's so angry and ugly.
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How would anyone find himhealing?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
But before we dive any more into Dr Rick Van Thiel,
we best visit our chart notesegment.
So, without further ado,welcome to the chart note
segment, where we learn aboutwhat's happening in medicine and
healthcare.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I forgot to sing it first, let's sing it now, hey um
, I just hope that I know we'regetting hey, ellie cats, I hope
you joined in with that one.
I hope this is more interestingthan mine from last week is all
(25:50):
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's gotta be well, mine starts with like a kind of
a sorry but not a sorry.
It's like okay, sorry, we'regoing back to dentistry.
We have a theme, I swear to god, it's's like HIV and dentistry
lately.
But, um, but no, this is reallycool.
And, um, my husband is intolike reading, research and stuff
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all the time.
He's always learning things.
So I had asked him like hey,have you learned anything new
and cool recently that I can usefor a chart note?
And he was like well, by, I did.
So let me share with you.
Researchers led by Dr KatsuTakahashi at Osaka's Kitano
Hospital has developed aneutralizing antibody that
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targets and blocks a proteincalled USAG1, which naturally
halts tooth formation.
By inhibiting the USAG1, thetreatment reviews Nope, nope.
The treatment revives dormantdental buds, enabling a third
set of teeth baby teeth andadult teeth beyond baby teeth
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and adult teeth to grow.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh yes, so we don't need dentures anymore.
We could grow.
Oh my gosh, that's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So we actually have three.
Right, we can hopefully growteeth.
Um, yes, so I was like holycats.
I didn't know.
We had buds beyond, like yourbaby teeth, and you get your
adult teeth and then there'sbuds.
And I recently had not recentlycause whatever, but um, a
patient, so it's not a while ago, but this little kiddo had what
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what we were told was two setsof adult teeth, like a second
set of adult teeth were comingin.
So I wonder if, like thisperson's body just didn't have
this certain protein to like,stop the buds anyway.
So this occurs both in mice andin ferrets, where extra teeth
emerge naturally in the mouth.
Human dental developmentnormally stops after two sets of
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teeth, but these findingssuggest latent third set buds
can be activated.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This drug harnesses that hidden capability for
therapeutic use, so they're Iwonder if kids will find out and
utilize this for extra toothfairy cash.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, because does that mean, when you they're like
watch this, they're giving awayby the time they're doing this.
They're like oh, my parents aregiving out Hundies.
I gotta get these budsactivated.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hundies, that's right .
Oh my gosh.
So like, when you get oneactivated, do you lose the other
one?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think so Well, okay , so as of right now, with these
clinical trials, and we'll getinto it, but they're not trying
to like just activate them ifyou have all your teeth.
If you don't have, your teethis when they yeah Right?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
No, I know it's being stupid, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But I'm also like how do they target one too?
I don't know, we can talk aboutit at the end, but so there has
been preclinical success in2018 experiments and that's the
year 2018, not 2018 experiments.
Mice genetically predisposed.
Sorry, I just lost my abilityto read you guys.
(29:02):
They were predisposedpredisposed to have few teeth,
too few teeth.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Okay, I'm gonna restart this thing not enough
teeth people not enough not twoteeth happening I lost all my
neurotransmitters.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
To be fair, this is hard um and I like feel like a
little lispy right now and Ilike I feel I don't know and all
these words are so like.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think it was my story about the little kid who
wanted to see the titty text.
It was really activated thislisp within me.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Um okay, mice genetically predisposed to have
too few teeth Were administeredthe antibody leading to the
development of additional teeth.
They also did trials on ferrets.
Because they have a morehuman-like dental model, the
ferrets developed extra thirdgeneration front teeth after the
(30:05):
treatment.
These findings were publishedin Science's Advances in
February of 2021 and generatedsignificant global interest.
So we are currently or they arenot, we are in phase one of
human clinical trials, so that'sbeing performed on adults right
(30:27):
now.
So it was initially announcedfor July 2024 for a start date
later confirmed, to begin on abroader scale in September of 24
at Kyoto University Hospitalthis is in Japan, by the way
with the trial expected to runthrough August of this year,
2025.
This phase involves IVinjection in 30 healthy adults
(30:49):
ages 30 to 64 who are alreadymissing at least one molar.
If the antibody induces growth,new teeth would emerge in
unfilled spaces.
Phase two will be targeted tochildren.
If no serious adverse effectsemerge, the study will expand
sometime in 2025 and go through2026 to include children aged up
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until age 27 with congenitaltooth agenesis or oligodontia,
which is missing four to sixteeth or more.
Oh my gosh, I just clicked badbuttons on my document.
Okay, it's still there.
I got worried.
I lost my whole Google Doc.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Paper bag.
Oh hey, can you share my?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
thing with me.
Again, I lost it, yeah.
So applications and benefits.
Congenital oligodontia affects0.1 to 1% of the population.
Again, these are individualsborn with fewer teeth, leading
to difficulty in eating,speaking and facial development.
If successful, this drug wouldoffer a natural alternative to
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dentures or implants,essentially adding a third
option for people.
Preliminary goals aim forregulatory approval by 2030.
Long-term potential may includeregrowing teeth in adults
who've lost them due to toothdecay, periodontal disease or
injuries.
So expert opinions and caveatsout there include some experts
(32:16):
caution that animal results maynot fully predict human outcomes
, especially regarding toothposition, shape and functional
integration.
Ongoing questions include willregenerated teeth match natural
enamel?
Will they integrate into thejaw, stay aligned and avoid
unintended growth?
My question while reading thiswas, like a lot of times, if
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people's teeth are falling outor periodontal disease or
whatever I'm not in dentistry, Idon't know all the terms, but
like the bone has worn down somuch, you know there's so much
bone loss.
So I'm like, how does thataffect?
But maybe they would not bethen a candidate for this.
They would have to do atraditional implant if there
wasn't a phone for an implantand or denture plate, whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I've lost a lot of teethdue to grinding.
Oh, I crack my teeth from.
Yeah, so teeth due to grindingoh, I crack my teeth from.
Yeah, so, um, I'm gonna holdout because I'll tell you what
implants.
Not cheap, no, and it's neverlike a day that you wake up and
go.
You know what I feel like,dropping 20 grand, 10 grand on a
(33:25):
couple teeth, like I'veunfortunately managed to eat
just as much, if not more.
Uh, without a bunch of teeth inthe back.
But, yeah, this is exciting.
I know I was really excited.
This is giving me hope.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So sorry, we went back to the dentistry y'all.
But I was like, oh my gosh,that's super cool.
I didn't know there were even athird set of possibilities in
there.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's awesome, the body's so amazing, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I know right, and I sent this to my friend who is in
dentistry and I was like, oh mygosh, did you know this?
And she, of course, had heardof it.
And I was like I wish my brainlike worked like a researcher
brain, where it's like, oh mygosh, this is a possibility,
let's test it Like can you evenimagine?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow, I think you're listen, amanda.
I think your brain does worklike a research brain.
You're just.
You know as much as we'retalking about teeth, maybe.
Maybe you're into teeth morethan you realized.
But um, I'm not switchingcareers at this point.
I remember your brain coming upwith similar hypotheses and
things when it came to ears andbalance.
(34:27):
So, uh, give yourself somecredit.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, thank you okay, back to the story.
Sorry, I had to get that giggleout really quick okay, what are
you thinking about?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
ears, and it makes you laugh base in your tube,
that's a a little Easter egg forthose of you to see if you've
listened to all of our episodes.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
You know, sometimes you just gotta get the giggles
out.
Two months after Randy's death,authorities received a tip.
The Nevada Department of Healthand Human Services notified the
city of Las Vegas thatunlicensed medical procedures
were being performed out of atrailer.
The report mentioned ozonetherapy.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Is that a thing it mentions?
You can say I thought they weregoing to say unlicensed medical
procedures were being performed, period.
But they're like, but they'rebeing performed out of a trailer
.
That's just, that's justinsulting, Like.
Come on, we need to at leastmake it look good, it needs to
be like.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
This is a strip ball underlined, underlined,
underlined, underlined.
Get there now, I think, sorry.
Um.
So the report mentioned ozonetherapy, it mentioned abortions.
It claimed biohazardousmaterial was being thrown in the
regular trash oh no.
And it mentioned a name thatauthorities recognized
(35:58):
immediately Rick Van Thiel.
And did you catch that?
I said unlicensed, that's right, because Rick did not even have
a medical license.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Oh, what a surprise, what a shock.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Shocker.
In this area of Nevada,individuals associated with the
Sovereign Citizen Movement hadbeen flagged as domestic terror
threats, and Rick matched theprofile perfectly, as I'm sure
you could glean from the clipyou heard before the chart note
segment.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, we didn't get warm fuzzies from that audio
segment.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
All cold pricklies.
For sure, rick was a convictedfelon with a background that
included burglary, pornographyand even inventing sex toys.
And yes, despite his checkeredpast, people like Randy and many
(36:55):
others put their trust andtheir lives in his hands.
Rick taught himself to performboth minor and major surgical
procedures by watching YouTubevideos.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
YouTube.
Oh, he genuinely believed hepossessed the same knowledge and
skills as a licensed physician,embracing the anti-government
ideology common to sovereigncitizens.
He proudly stated that he hadstudied medicine independently
for 28 years and saw no need fora government-issued license to
(37:27):
practice.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Listen, he advertised .
I can't help, I can't, I can'tbite my tongue.
Listen.
He learned on YouTube, butYouTube hasn't been around for
28 years, has it.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, if you guys heard any of the years that I've
been talking about in thisthing, this is recent.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, he's not.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, okay.
So he advertised his serviceson internet sex sites and
Craigslist, deliberatelytargeting low-income individuals
with promises of cheapalternative care.
The treatments he offered werewide-ranging and often dangerous
, including unproven therapiesfor HIV and cancer via ozone
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therapy, tooth extractions, cystremoval, root canals,
circumcisions, castrations andabortions for only $200.
Wow, what a deal.
Yeah, it's like I don't knowhow much that costs, but anyway
I'm like, okay, no, I'm not evengoing to go there.
Yeah, it's like I don't knowhow much that costs, but anyway,
I'm like, okay, no, I'm noteven going to go there.
(38:34):
Okay, one of his websites, rickwrote and this is quote y'all
this is on his website we donatural remedy research for the
purpose of increasing qualityand span of life, one human
being at a time.
It continued to say, unlike theAmerican medical industry's
(38:55):
toxic drug dealing doctors, wedon't see you as your disease.
Okay.
Rick was outspoken in hisrejection of modern medicine,
openly denouncing the licensingof physicians, vaccines, the
pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, gmos and all government
regulation of healthcare.
(39:16):
He promoted himself as aself-taught physician and
insisted the government had noauthority to regulate
prostitution or medical practice, arguing that both were
strictly between consentingadults.
His website claimed that heoffered these treatments at
unbeatable prices and acceptedpayment in Bitcoin, gold, silver
(39:40):
, sexual favors and evenfirearms.
Because why not?
Prior to becoming aprofessional doctor, I was a sex
machine inventor, swinger, bdsmmaster, porn actor and producer
for 14 years, so I've seen itall.
Rick wrote.
(40:00):
He made it clear that dr rickwas just a nickname, not
intended.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I can't be quiet.
I'm supposed to be quiet, Ican't.
What the hell are we talkingabout?
My God, okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'll try.
Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He's such a douchebag .
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Where did you?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
find this guy.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I know the internet.
Surely this is not true.
The dark?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
web.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And there were real victims.
So I don't mean to laugh.
But I'm just like this guy iswildly insane, I know it's just
unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I can't Okay, carry on.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I know.
So we just got to get this lastparagraph.
It's probably the last of thegiggles, okay.
So he made it clear that DrRick was just a nickname, not
intended to infer state sanctionor Rockefeller drug-pushing
training.
The website stated that itspurpose was not to seek FDA
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approval or diagnose disease but, quote to help you make
informed decisions necessary totake control of your own life
and health and now to care forit in the manner you decide is
best for you.
End quote.
So investigators confirmed thescary reality that rick wasn't
(41:35):
just drawing blood and injectingit back in.
No, no, he was performing minorprocedures such as removing
cysts and caution, there arevideos of him doing this online,
you guys, oh, no, um, doinginjections and more serious
surgeries.
He did all of this withoutgloves, without antiseptics,
(41:57):
drapes or sterile instrumentsand without any safety protocols
.
It was a threat to thecommunity, and he was that.
He was performing medicalprocedures.
At no point in his life did hehold a medical license.
Authorities also knew that hewas involved in the porn
industry.
He had escalated fromparticipating in the porn
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industry to practicing medicinein the nude, all while calling
himself a doctor.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Why not combine your two favorite hobbies right?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
He's like you know what?
I'm pretty good at this, butI'm ready to explore another
avenue.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh well, this guy's not real.
Come on, how did this, how wasthis allowed to happen?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
And like this was not that long ago, I'm literally
crying.
Okay, authorities learned thathe had been talking about
performing heart surgery.
Are you kidding me aboutperforming heart surgery?
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
And let me just emphasize again that he was
doing all this in a filthycamper in someone's backyard,
naked.
Oh man, you can't.
If this was a movie, I wouldsay they've gone too far.
There's no way this is real.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
yes, right, right, right right.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Oh yeah, no, for sure, yeah,for sure yeah, no, yeah yeah, no
, for sure.
Um, okay, so I have just onemore clip to play, you guys, um
oh goody can't wait.
I know.
So this is of a womaninterviewing him and, yeah, just
(43:36):
about how he's going to worknaked whatever, here we go, yeah
, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
We're here today with Rick, who is going to perform a
sack removal.
So, rick, are you a surgeon?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
No, but I played one once in a movie for.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
TaylorMadeClipscom.
Taylormadeclipscom.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You had to get your plug in there, didn't you Of?
Speaker 1 (44:07):
course.
So is this your first sackremoval.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yep, this is the first one, are you?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
excited.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
I think it should be fun.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And where did you learn to remove a sack?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
On YouTube, of course , God.
It's amazing what you can do.
Yeah, you'd be amazed what youcan learn on YouTube.
You could get an education offof YouTube.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Now I notice that you are dressed.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well, this time I'm not going to be.
Last time I got about oh 200,at least 200 comments in two
months.
Just off of that.
It was hot in the summer and Iwasn't wearing a shirt.
So I decided this time becauseeverybody just liked to comment
(44:59):
so much on the shirt that I'mnot only going to do it without
a shirt, but I'm going to do itwithout pants either.
Woohoo.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Get naked.
Oh no, this can't be real.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
He just can't make it up.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'm horrified I'm.
All of the things, oh my god.
No, what the fuck.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
This is absolutely why these clips are necessary,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
This is a human, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Oh my god Okay.
Amanda, I don't know, oh my godokay amanda, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I don't know.
This world, I think, would havebeen complete without somebody
like this.
Like what?
The hell it takes all kindsyou're gonna go april fools and
I'll be like, well, it's me,haha, but at least this guy
doesn't truly exist.
Oh no, he does.
Oh wait, but he does Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Okay, yeah, I just need to take a little sip of
refreshment.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Can I just clarify?
Does she say, does she say Ican't?
Does she say sack removal likelike castration, like like like
a, like you take your dog to gethimself, so you tell our dogs
(46:47):
getting tutored.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
So actually right after that clip where she's all
Yoo-hoo, take it off, oh God.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Then she was horrified and ran for the hills
and she's scarred for life.
She needed to bleach her mind'seye to get the picture of this
man out of her head, oh and likeyou guys, this guy is no, she
was excited we're going to haveto post pictures of him on our
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Instagram and our Facebook.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
You guys, I'm telling you, this guy is like not
Patrick Dempsey.
Okay, it is not exciting.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So after she's all, oh you, you, Rick, pick it up.
It's like the worst decision ofmy life.
Help, oh my God, oh my God, ohmy God, okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Then he starts performing what I think is a
cyst in someone's back.
Oh, I thought she said sack.
So I think they just don't.
No, she did.
I think they just have zeromedical training.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
So they don't know she did.
I think they just have zeromedical training, so they don't
know.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'm just gonna take whatever looks like it's saying
I I had my husband watch thatvideo with me and, mind you, he
has worked in the emergencydepartment, you guys, and he was
like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (48:29):
he just literally takes a scalpel to this guy's
back and the guy is like I'm sosorry to whoever that is and I'm
laughing, but like what did youexpect in the shitty trailer?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
but oh man I know, oh man, okay, wow, hope you guys
are still with us.
I'm so sorry, okay, okay, allright.
All right, we're almost there,you guys.
I'm so sorry, okay, okay, allright, we're almost there, you
guys.
Puppies no.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
I'm trying to think of something sad, okay, uh what?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
happened.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Puppies, puppies.
I'm like wait.
No, puppies are sad.
God, take that out.
I'll edit that.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Well, you know what this is about to get.
Oh yeah, okay, whatever, let'sget back into it.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
I just want listeners to knowwe're not laughing at the plight
of people who were no who weredeceived by him and mistreated
by him.
It's just yeah, theridiculousness of who?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
he is.
He is wildly crazy.
Okay, so authorities needed toget a search warrant for the
camper where the procedures andtreatments were performed.
The property of that trailerwas on that of another known
sovereign citizen and theproperty was under surveillance
and armed.
Of course, it was a fortress ofparanoia.
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Law enforcement knew thatserving a warrant on this
property wouldn't be easy orsafe, and it was likely that
deadly force would be used.
These weren't just con men.
They were people whofundamentally believed that the
government had no right to stopthem.
Authorities would be the numberone target to be harmed, but
they knew that they needed tostop Rick, as he was a danger to
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the public and the only way tostop him was to go.
Hmm, hmm, it was like the movieSaw, one investigator recalled.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
The filth was overwhelming.
Dirt, rotting food, patientfiles and medical tools were
strewn everywhere.
The clinic quote unquote, if wecan even call it that had no
equipment for sterilization,only a stained examination table
sat in the middle of thetrailer, surrounded by pure
chaos.
Examination table sat in themiddle of the trailer,
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surrounded by pure chaos, terryKearns, an FBI agent and former
nurse of over a decade, wasstunned.
There was no logic, no safety,no hygiene, she said.
And yet there in that trailer,rick Van Thiel was performing
abortions, lancing cysts,running blood through machines
(51:17):
that they would come to learn henever even cleaned, and
injecting patients with ozonetherapy all under the illusion
of healing and I don't think Italk about it in this, but yes
to the not cleaning.
Like people with AIDS, hiv weregoing there having this ozone
therapy.
Maybe the next person came inwith cancer, had the same ozone
therapy.
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So it's like like everyone'sblood's running through this
machine.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
No good.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
The search warrant yielded many records, numerous
computers, hard drives and mediastorage.
Documents seized from thetrailer contained paperwork for
108 patients.
Among the written records, theyfound that he had administered
injections of blood thinner ofthe blood thinner heparin to two
people, had treated at least 23people medically and had
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written agreements to treat 83others.
They also seized a vial ofblack market steroids a total of
10 vials of blood thinnerheparin IV bags containing
something that looked like blood, and various medical equipment.
Rick was arrested one week later, on October 7, 2015.
Well, thank God, as the storymade headlines, former patients
(52:31):
began coming forward and itquickly became clear that the
raid had only scratched thesurface.
Detectives combed through therecords recovered from the
trailer, trying to identifypatients and determine what the
procedures had been performedand whether any of them were
illegal.
Many of his patients weretransient or economically
unstable, making them difficultto locate.
(52:53):
Most had turned to Rick becausethey had no other options.
He offered the cheapestservices available, including
abortions you guys, oh noServices available, targeting
young, uninsured women whobelieved they were making a safe
if desperate choice.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
In court, Judge Jude Ann Zimmerman made a chilling
comparison, stating that Rickposed more of a danger to the
community than a serial rapistor murderer.
Yeah, he preys upon people whocannot access health care, she
said before setting his bail at$1 million.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yes.
When Rick challenged hercalling her remarks on him being
a danger to the community, hesaid that's speculation.
She made it very clear that thecourts would decide that at
trial.
Detectives soon discovered thatthe patient consent paperwork
Rick used includednon-disclosure agreements
Interesting legal decision forsomeone practicing medicine
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illegally.
Rick described agreements withpeople he treats as private
contracts over which thegovernment and courts would have
no jurisdiction.
That aside, practicing withouta license in Nevada carries only
a one to five year sentence.
Investigators knew that theyneeded something stronger, so
they began looking for evidencethat Rick's actions had caused
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either serious bodily harm ordeath, and three patients stood
out to them.
Two were terminally ill beforeever encountering Rick, which
made it impossible to tie theirdeaths directly to the
treatments.
But a third case, however, hadpotential A man named Randy
Valenzuela.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Randy yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Detective Kidd visited Randy's mother to ask
her about her son's care underRick.
She explained that he convincedRandy to stop taking his
prescribed medications andinstead undergo Rick's ozone
therapy.
She mentioned that Rick hadeven written that letter to
Randy's doctor stating he nolonger needed the conventional
treatment.
Ozone therapy is an alternativepractice so far outside medical
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norms that it would constitutemalpractice, even if done by
licensed physicians.
Investigators believe thatencouraging randy to abandon
anti-retroviral therapy may havedirectly contributed to his
death.
So they requested to see hisautopsy.
But the autopsy complicatedmatters.
Randy's death was attributed tocomplications from aids and
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cardiomyopathy linked tomethamphetamine use.
His official cause of death wasruled accidental.
The medical examiner couldn'tsay whether the heart attack
killed him was triggered by druguse or the progression of the
untreated HIV.
That lack of uncertainty meantthat prosecutors couldn't pursue
a murder charge.
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For Randy's mom choosing not toput her son's personal life on
trial was a relief.
All it would do is make himlook like a junkie.
She said she knew that he wasstruggling towards the end and
didn't judge him for any mannerthat he chose to get through all
of the pain he was in.
Meanwhile, rick's behaviorbehind bars revealed even more
delusional, if that was evenpossible.
(55:56):
In recorded phone calls fromthe jail, which you can find
online I'm not going to play anymore clips of this guy he
portrayed himself as a martyr.
I'm on trial for savingsomebody's life, for curing
cancer, he said.
People come to me because I cando things regular MDs can't.
He denied doing anywrongdoingdoing boldly and
(56:17):
without shame.
Even while in jail, rickcontinued to offer inmates
medical advice and treatments,still clinging to the role of a
healer.
That's when investigators madetheir most disturbing discovery.
Yet Interviews with femalepatients revealed that Rick
often conducted procedures whilecompletely nude.
He offered sex in exchange fortreatments and routinely
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performed vaginal and analpenetrations under the guise of
medical necessity, without anylawful purpose.
Multiple victims confirmedthese allegations and
prosecutors now had what theyneeded charges of sexual assault
.
Go get him.
This time it would stick.
Rick was charged with 29 counts, including unlawful practice of
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medicine, sexual assault,sexual assault resulting in
substantial bodily harm, andchild abuse and neglect, which
the child abuse and neglectstemmed from procedures that he
performed on minors whileclaiming to be a doctor.
He was yeah.
From procedures that heperformed on minors while
claiming to be a doctor.
He was yeah.
In April 2016, a grand jury wasconvened to move forward with
(57:21):
the case, but unfortunately,justice would never come.
Just before the trial, at 11 pmon a Friday night, corrections
officers found Rick Van Thielhanging in his cell.
He had taken his own life.
To some, his suicide was thefinal act of a coward, a man
unwilling to face consequencesor hear a jury declare his guilt
(57:43):
.
To his victims and theirfamilies, his death robbed them
of a chance to confront him incourt and see justice done.
Still, one bitter truthremained he would never harm
another person again.
In the aftermath, the FDAformally banned the use of ozone
therapy in medical settings.
The ripple effect of Rick'sdeception and destruction had
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finally reached the regulatorylevel, but for many it came far
too late.
And that, my friends, my alleycats, is the story of Rick Van
Thiel of rick van thiel.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Oh wow, okay.
Well, I found it hard, aseveryone knows, to control
myself throughout this story, soyou know my thoughts on the
matter.
But oh, my goodness gracious me.
I, like I said, you can't makethis stuff up if, if this was a
movie, people would say you'vegone too far.
It's not yeah exactly, but acharacter like this existed,
someone who'd prey on thedesperate and the vulnerable
looking for medical, somehow aresolution to a medical mystery.
(58:47):
And this is what gary null did.
But at least gary wasn't opera,or isn't?
He's still operating from theback of a trailer.
I can't believe that headvertised on Craigslist.
If you're on Craigslist, folkslooking for a doctor, chances
are you're not going to getquality or even someone who's
(59:09):
actually a doctor.
Narcissist much, I mean, that'swhat I I I'm reading my notes
here I, you know, narcissists,as we know, have um, he was an
actor and a producer, jenna, sohe's a pretty big girl in vegas.
They have delusions of grandeur.
This guy thought he was curingthings.
(59:30):
He wasn't curing anything.
He was, uh, as we know, um,just perpetuating uh, lies and
deception, with no pretense ofeven trying to clean up the
place.
Come on, dude, the back of atrailer.
Okay, if you have to have atrailer, can we at least clean
it.
I can at least pretend and usea set of gloves.
Good lord he hasn't.
(59:52):
Even he and like think all thechickens balking at you when
you're walking up to the door Imean right, but I mean he had
all the the uh pretenses ofbeing a doctor but none of the
accoutrement, can I?
say um, one human being at atime was something that caught
me.
He's like oh well, you know,our research is one human being
(01:00:15):
at a time, that's.
That's not a parametric study.
So from that you can't.
You can't take one human beingand then make an assumption.
Okay, dude.
So you're very like oh well, wecan be trusted because we
research one human being.
Guess what, dude?
We need millions of humanbeings, I mean at least
thousands, but not one, to makean assumption.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Have you ever read an actual study, my friend?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Right Accepting payments in sexual favors.
Nothing says depraved more thansomeone who's going to accept
payment for medical care insexual favors.
This is a man who's not to betrusted.
I'm crossing him off my list.
And the fact that he tried toget out of the fact that he was
(01:01:05):
masquerading as a medicalpractitioner by oh well, dr Rick
is just a nickname.
No, come on, dude, you'restupid.
And the reason you used doctoris because you actually buy into
the fact that they are peoplethat we can trust that actually
know something about health care.
(01:01:25):
So you decided to masquerade asone.
What are you know?
The?
The?
What are they?
Sovereign citizens, everythinggovernmentally, uh, imposed upon
medical practitioners that callthemselves doctor.
Why did you have to try andsteal that good question?
You know.
(01:01:46):
So the very people that you'rebelittling, you've, you've
pretended to be.
So me thinks.
Uh, that, and the fact thatyou're.
I'm sorry if my doctor pitchesup in the mud, unless it's
McDreamy on ER, I'm going to sayno, thank you, I think I'm in
(01:02:09):
the wrong clinic.
So, again, I cannot believethat this arse of a human being
actually managed to exist in atleast 108 patients that we know
of.
Yeah, and poor Randy was thefirst patient you talked about,
(01:02:32):
who might have actually, yeah,survived had he continued to
take his antiretroviralmedication.
He could have lived a long life.
Um, so you know, I considerthat negligent and horrific and
unforgivable I mean, obviouslyhe knew he wasn't gonna get away
with.
It is why he took the coward wayout so he's a blight upon the
(01:02:58):
planet that no longer willplague us.
He says it.
That's been popped upon theface of reality here.
Bye bye, no, no, no remorse forthat comment, adios.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you for joining in thatadventure with me, and I'll just
say sorry to you personally,because you're going to have to
edit out a lot of coughs afterour laughing attack.
Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I might have to edit out some of the laughter.
Happy editing.
It's so incredulous.
How could I not?
You know it's you.
You set me up for that.
Yeah, you try and keep it.
I was right there with you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I was right there with you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Trailer talking about how he's all that and a bag of
chips, no thank you Well, youknow he, he played a surgeon
once on a video.
I've starred in porn, so I haveto do with various bits and
pieces of the human anatomy.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
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Should I do the medical mishap?
I suppose you better.
We got a medical mishap, Isuppose you better.
Okay, we got a medical mishapto lighten up the mood here.
So this comes in from Amy andshe said we can share her name.
So, thank you, amy.
Amy, and she says hello, jennaand Amanda.
(01:06:12):
I wanted to start.
Hi.
I wanted to start by saying howmuch I absolutely love your
podcast.
Oh, bless you, thank you.
We pay you to say that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
She's on the payroll, not true?
Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
So don't get too excited.
Listeners or Alleycats I'mdefinitely a fan, as you alluded
to last week.
Call me an Alleycat, alleycat,alleycat Meow.
Amy Meow, definitely a fan, asyou alluded to last week.
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Call me an alley cat oh wow, oh, my goodness okay,
dial it back oh no, I liked it,keep going we're just on another
planet I know, sorry guys, I'mon summer break you're on break,
so what's your excuse?
Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
um, the way that you, she says, the way you shine a
light on medical crimes,exploitation and the systems
that fail to protect peoplematters.
Oh, thank you.
You're bringing attention tostories that don't don't always
get told or that we've neverheard about, and that is some
powerful work, ladies.
(01:07:20):
Your mix of empathy, researchand let's be honest dark sense
of humor make the podcast feellike listening to brilliant
friends who actually get it.
I look forward to wednesdays.
That's such a great compliment.
Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Wow, we love that.
We love to hear that.
Anyway, enough long story long.
I've got a story I wanted toshare with you and I know that
it's not super wild, but it'sall I had in a good cautionary
tale for those cooking in thekitchen.
Yes, I had my husband'spermission to share.
Oh, this sounds familiar.
Yeah, sorry, back to to theemail.
(01:07:58):
I just started laughing outloud, thinking how uneventful
the story is compared toamanda's husband's story.
Yeah, I mean it's that's a hardone to talk honestly that's,
that's at the bar.
But anyway, we appreciate you.
Let's see what you got, okay?
So she says my husband hasalways loved to cook.
In fact, when we started dating, that would be our date nights.
(01:08:21):
Oh, we'd pick out new recipesand make them together, which
usually meant I would drink wineand cook for me I mean get it
sis, hello, marry him yesterday.
Yeah, what am I right?
Uh, one night he decided tomake a classic.
His quote, famous end quotehomemade nachos that we would
(01:08:42):
take to a friend's party god, Ilove nachos chopped I love
nachos too.
The more loaded the better he.
He chopped jalapenos like a pro.
Hey, I think I know where thisis going.
He carried on in the kitchenlike a true Gordon Ramsay.
Now I'm sure you suspect, ohyeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Read my mind Because she says now I'm sure you
suspect where the story is going, so I will share that Kyle did
wash his hands after slicing thepeppers, but apparently not
thoroughly.
A short while later, kyle'sstomach starts rumbling.
Time for a quick trip to thebathroom.
This is where things went south.
(01:09:24):
Within seconds of zipping up,kyle starts screaming Because,
yep, that poor guy he tried.
Oh wait, because, yep, thatleftover capsicum from the
peppers had transferred to, well, the southern hemisphere.
Oh no, oh, at least he triedeverything Ice packs, milk,
(01:09:45):
yogurt, soap, aloe vera butnothing helped.
He was in pure jalapeno agony.
He finally caved and we went tothe ER.
The ER doc gave him sometopical lidocaine, I think.
Either way, he was back tofeeling better in no time.
So, while this doesn't involvestaples lol, amanda, I'm so
sorry that happened to yourhusband, and every man cringes
(01:10:08):
anytime we tell that story.
Um, it's still a tale to warnto keep the cooking out of your
pants.
Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
That's okay X.
Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
X stay suspicious Amy .
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Oh well, thank you for sharing that, Amy.
I think probably anythinginvolving the Southern
Hemisphere is just no bueno allaround, so sorry that happened
to Kyle.
Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Oh boy.
Well, you know, you know how Istarted this and I was like it's
it.
I don't actually remember if Ijust told you or if I told
everyone that this is going tobe a short one today, but turns
out it wasn't because we laughedlike alley cats out here.
Um.
So, jenna, what can we expectto hear next week?
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
um, amanda, oh god, we're gonna hear a bit more
about a dentist oh my god,dentistry I know I couldn't, I
couldn't help myself.
Um, I read an ann rule novel asa little teaser there, and, um,
(01:11:13):
we're gonna talk about a dentist, but I also I'm gonna throw in
a little.
My chart note is gonna be alittle about a little article
that I've read that hassomething so gruesome and creepy
you're not gonna believe it.
So, um, yeah, a little bit of alittle bit of everything a
little bit of murder, a littlebit of intrigue and a little bit
(01:11:35):
of like.
Yeah, a little bit ofeverything A little bit of
murder, a little bit of intrigueand a little bit of like over,
and probably a lot of oh boy.
So that's what you can expectfor next week.
Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yep, well, we will look forward to that, so.
So until then, guys, don't missa beat.
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Until then, until I say this, Iactually want to give a quick
(01:12:28):
shout out to, if she ever, ever,ever hears this uh, lady spine
dog, yeah, oh my god, she likedmy tiktok.
Look her up on tiktok, betsy,grunge, y'all woman,
neurosurgeon, badass woman she'samazing, go queen yeah, okay,
so until then stay safe and staysuspicious.
(01:12:49):
Goodbye.
Amanda Jenna Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh you know, thriving first day of summer break.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So this is what it looks like to be on summer
vacation.
I'm so jealous.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, thank you, I'm glowing already.
Hello friends, yes, it's myfirst day of summer break and
I'm not even gonna say how many,nearly how many decades it's
been since I've had one of those.
Um, but day one doing prettyfine, pretty happy about it,
pretty doesn't feel real yetreally oh, I bet, yeah, um well,
(00:40):
I'm happy for you I would liketo live vicariously.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I slogged it out at work today and, um, I will say
that when I left work.
Can I tell a quick little?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
story yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I was kind of like oh , it's Monday, all this
equipment broke down, all thesethings to do, oh man, the week
is going to be so busy.
And then, as I'm walking acrossthe lobby, there's this poor
grandma.
She's, she's chasing thistoddler, he's like three or
something and he's waving thispicture book around.
(01:17):
It has like animals on it andhe starts screaming at the top
of his lungs I want to see thetitt.
I want to see the titties.
I want to see the titties.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The titties.
Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was so funny, it was so cute, so I left with a
smile on my dial and that's whatmatters.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I love that.
Thank you, child, for putting asmile on our girl's face.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I was like wow, wow, they're starting them young.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wow, how do you know about that friend yike?
Oh man, um toddlers, yeah, forreal, they're so fun.
They are fun, though, but wow,some of them are headstrong.
Eh, busy, yep, uh.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Correction section yeah, um, I I can tell who's a
dedicated listener by by thosepeople who, um, have reached out
to me to let me know that, yes,there's a long at the end of
the last episode, 19,.
A long bit of silence followedby a little recap of our chart
(02:33):
note.
Well, my chart note redo.
So I will say just enjoy thatlittle Easter egg.
It's there because last weekwas the first time I had
actually attempted to patch in arecording after the fact, and
if you have a listen, you'll seewhy and you're welcome it was
(02:54):
hilarious.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
She had told me I have a surprise for you in the
next episode, if you want tolisten early, like it's posted
on our thing and I was like, ohmy gosh, what could that
possibly be?
But I didn't know.
My girl was sitting here, itsavvy pageant and audio.
So when I heard it I was likeoh my gosh, that's so funny so
(03:17):
funny.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh, it needed to happen.
If ever it needed to happen inan episode that was, I can't
believe you were so kind and youdidn't tell me like, okay,
that's enough already aboutfluoride and water, but I
learned a lot.
Anyway, somehow there's aphantom bit of recording at the
end.
When I went back to the rawrecording I couldn't find it
anywhere.
So it's it's there to haunt allof us.
(03:39):
Enjoy, like I said, but that'syour question.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So thank you to all the dedicated listeners that
were like wait, where's the rockmusic at the end?
The only other thing I wantedto touch on before we started is
this probably happens a lot inour recordings, but I
specifically noticed when I waslistening to episode 19, the
last one.
I specifically noticed when Iwas listening to episode 19, the
last one, that I was saying alot of like Midwest verbiage or
(04:10):
like Minnesota verbiage, and Ijust did it when you were like,
can I share a little story quick?
And I said yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I don't know what I said,but I was like, oh okay, this
ties into my Minnesota thing.
So if you're from the Midwest,you will understand the guide
that I'm going to give, but ifyou are not from here, here is a
guide of how to speakMidwestern, because some of the
(04:30):
things that we say are honestlykind of ridiculous, but we grew
up with it and it's the way itis and we can't stop.
We, absolutely I can tell you,we can't stop.
So it's more of a guide of howto speak the ya-no-ya's and the
no-ya-no's.
So number one no-ya means yes,ya-no means no, like definitely
(04:57):
not.
Ya-no-ya means maybe meansmaybe, um, yeah.
No for sure means definitely,yeah, no, wait, yeah, no, yeah,
okay, wait, I have this on heretwice, but this one I wrote yeah
, no, yeah is is like.
I'm sorry.
Unfortunately the answer isstill yes.
(05:19):
So I guess that one has a dualmeaning.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh, great yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, no, yeah, and then I threw in a couple extra
that are not a ya knows, butwhelp.
So this word is used a lot byMidwesterners and it can either
be identified as an exclamationpoint to whatever's happening,
like whelp, or a short way ofsaying I guess that's just how
(05:45):
it goes.
And number eight, oh, um, this,I'm not sure we can really call
this a word, but so, like,picture this we're in a grocery
store aisle and, like you,accidentally bump into someone
else shopping and you go, oh,and that just it's like a
shorthanded apology oh my gosh,I love this so much.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Why did no one teach me this when I first moved here?
I don't know.
I think I've picked this upwithout even realizing that I
was doing it, I think.
I do this too.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm Felina Snowden.
Yeah, no, yeah, no, because I'mnot sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, what I said earlier, that I said yeah, no
for sure.
That means, of course,absolutely.
So basically, just hang inthere with us because it's
something we can't stop.
But there's a little guide.
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(08:10):
real doozy, so I guess there'sno time like the present to
buckle our seats and we'll diveright in.
The trigger warnings for todayare abortion and suicide and,
honestly, as I reread thisearlier today, I today I thought
, oh, I should put that as atrigger warning, but I remember
now, so there might be anotherone in there.
(08:30):
So I'm sorry, sorry.
Oh yeah, I can't remember it.
I thought I just had it, butshe don't listen, they know that
they're.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
we mark this as exclusive, exclusive, explicit.
It's Explicit, it's exclusive.
You guys are all, y'all areexclusively invited, but it's
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So you know there are going tobe some things that are shocking
, otherwise we probably wouldn'tbe talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
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okay.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, so, like I said , a doozy Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So, like I said, a doozy right, um, but like with
all these trigger warnings,nothing is like like in-depth
details or anything.
Just know that it's a part ofthe story and so if that's
triggering for you to even hearabout anything to do with that,
we'll see you at episode 21, butdon't forget to miss the second
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Okay, so, anyway, here.
Anyway, here we go.
In Las Vegas, Nevada, a cityknown for bright lights, big
(09:30):
winds and endless distractions,one young man was waging a
deeply personal, quiet war.
His name was Randy Valenzuelaand he was never one to blend in
.
The oldest of five children, hestood out not just because he
was handsome, headstrong andendlessly energetic, but because
(09:52):
he refused to live small.
He came out in high school longbefore.
It was easy to do.
Which quick sidebar, happypride month, everybody.
He was bold.
He was bold and brave, alwaysdancing, always laughing.
He frequently joked that he wasoriginal, not extra crispy.
(10:14):
That was Randy,unapologetically himself.
But in 2005, at just 25 yearsold, Randy received a diagnosis
that stopped time HIV.
He was floored, and so was hisfamily, but he made it very
clear from day one he was goingto fight or die.
Trying, Randy threw himselfinto research.
(10:37):
He read, he asked questions.
He refused to accept the ideathat this was a death sentence.
His family supported him evenwhen the treatments began to
take a toll, because the truthis, living with HIV isn't just
about the virus.
It's about the medication, theside effects and the
psychological warfare it wageson the mind.
(10:57):
Gabrielle Brannon, Chelsea, metRandy in 2011 when they quickly
became close friends.
She learned early on that HIVwasn't just something that Randy
had.
It was something that he wasactively at war with.
She watched him pour hours intoresearching, always looking for
new therapies, new studies, anypossibility of a cure.
(11:18):
In 2012, seven years after hisinitial diagnosis, he became
even more sick.
He lost over 200 T-cells in onemonth, leaving him at 199.
As we know, because we'vecovered AIDS and HIV a lot,
anything lower than 200 T-cellsis a qualifier for having AIDS,
(11:39):
and this became Randy's newdiagnosis.
Aids develops when the HIVvirus has caused serious damage
to the immune system.
We also know that there is nocure.
Patients with AIDS receiveantiretroviral therapy, ART,
which is a combination of two ormore medications that attack
the virus and is commonlyreferred to as a cocktail.
(12:01):
It has proven successful inreducing the amount of virus
present in the body, allowingthe immune system to recover.
With the right treatment,people with AIDS can live very
long lives.
However, the same drugs thatare saving their lives often
cause severe side effects likenausea and depression.
Patients can find these sideeffects to be unbearable.
(12:23):
Patients can find these sideeffects to be unbearable.
Randy was prescribed this verycocktail of medications.
The virus was not detectablewhen he was on the pills, but
they made him very, very sick.
He said that the pills weremessing with him mentally and he
told his mother that he feltlike he was going psychotic and
that he was afraid of losing hismind.
Then, one day, he foundsomething.
(12:44):
He went to Gabrielle excited,full of energy and hope.
He discovered a treatmentonline called ozone therapy,
paired with pulsedelectromagnetic field therapy.
The claims were bold thetreatment would detoxify the
blood, destroy viruses andrestore the immune system.
Randy believed that he had foundthe answer, that this would
(13:05):
cure him.
Gabrielle, on the other hand,was skeptical.
There wasn't much sciencebehind it and it seemed as
though it had very littleregulation.
She couldn't find that therewere any other licensed
providers providing thistreatment.
But Randy was desperate, anddesperation doesn't always wait
for peer-reviewed journals, andhe established care immediately
(13:26):
for the treatment.
His mom began to notice that hewas starting to look healthy
again.
His skin was brighter, his eyeswere clearer.
She saw that spark in him againand when she told him so, he
said I am so glad that younoticed and shared that he had
been seeing a man called Dr Rick, a man that was not a name from
(13:49):
any clinic or specialist list,no formal office address, no
credentials posted anywhereonline.
Randy explained that Dr Rickwas an underground doctor that
he found on Craigslist what Iknow.
Oh wow.
Rick had guaranteed that hecould cure Randy not manage, but
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cure.
His treatment protocol wasdaily sessions for eight weeks
and it was $130 a session.
Excited, he invited his mom toattend one of the treatment
sessions that night.
Randy's mom was up all nightresearching ozone treatment, as
any mother would.
She was skeptical.
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If there was a treatment thatwould cure it, why wasn't
everyone using it?
She found articles praisingozone therapy for detoxing the
body.
Websites suggested thateverybody should get a treatment
at least once a year to rid thebody of toxins.
She found nothing alarming, nored flags.
She thought, wow, maybe Randyreally did find a cure and the
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next day she would join him.
The whole way to theappointment, Randy kept
reminding his mother to keep anopen mind.
The address led to a rundowncamper trailer parked in the
backyard of a compound.
When they knocked on the door,a naked man answered.
What?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Sorry, I'm trying to keep quiet what.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Nikki pants.
Oh, actually lack of pants,nikki.
Inside the place was filthy,garbage, clutter shit everywhere
.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Not literal, but so all the toxins that he's ridding
from his patients are goinginto his trailer.
Yeah, dude, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Is this the practitioner?
There were no signs of amedical practice, but Randy
wasn't fazed.
He introduced his mom to thisman, to Rick, and Rick explained
ozone therapy to his mom, withtotal confidence in the
treatment Naked mind you.
He said that it would cleanRandy's blood, re-oxygenate it
and then pump it back into thebody.
He said it would clean Randy'sblood, re-oxygenate it and then
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pump it back into the body.
He claimed that the treatmentwould purify him, rid him of the
virus entirely.
His mom watched as Rick, withno gloves, inserted a needle
into Randy's arm and blood wenteverywhere.
Rick didn't even flinch.
He said I'm not scared of thevirus.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I can cure it who?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
said that Rick, rick, because he would blood squirt
whenever he's like I'm notscared, whatever, I'll just cure
myself if I get it.
In addition to the ozonetreatment, rick had another idea
.
He told Randy to stop takinghis cocktail of medications.
He said he didn't need themanyhow.
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Now, now that he had ozonetherapy and Randy listened, he
believed in him.
He thought Rick was a geniusand truly thought that he could
cure AIDS.
Rick went as far as to write aletter to Randy's doctor to
advise him that he no longerneeded treatment from a
traditional doctor and that hewas now under his care.
And the letter read.
The letter read, and there is agrammatical error in here.
(17:08):
But y'all, I didn't write thisletter, I'm just reading it.
Okay, this letter is to informyou that Randy Valenzuela is
being treated for HIV at thistime in a private clinic under
private contract.
The expected time need tocomplete the treatment process
is about two weeks.
Feel free to call or email meat help at itsonlynaturalme if
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you have any questions.
This communication isconfidential and for Randy and
your eyes only.
Uh, okay, red flag.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Eek, oh, I can't.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It just only gets worse gets worse, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean, this is shades of gary, null right this
is yeah, no bueno, no bueno.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
The ozone treatment seemed like they were working.
His skin really was glowing, hewas happier.
He looked and felt better.
He then took a home HIV testand the results were negative.
What?
He and his family were ecstatic.
However, home test kits werenot highly accurate.
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They could produce a false,negative one in every 12 tests.
But for Randy and his family itwas the result they had been
praying for.
Two years later everythingchanged again.
Randy contracted HIV again.
He was devastated, ashamed.
He had been cured and now hewas sick again.
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His mom picked up the phone andcalled Rick, who said oh, that
poor kid, bring him on in.
And so they did.
But something was different now.
There was no treatment schedule, no structure.
Rick didn't ask Randy to followany sort of regimen.
It was more of a come when youcan vibe.
It was very casual, moresporadic, and Randy,
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unfortunately, wasn't gettingany better.
Soon after he started thetreatment again, he got a cough
that he just couldn't shake.
Started the treatment, again,he got a cough that he just
couldn't shake.
He knew something was wrong andhe asked Rick why isn't this
working?
Rick brushed it off, tellinghim not to worry.
He promised he'd see a changesoon, but Randy unfortunately
would never see that change.
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He continued to get worse.
He could feel it.
Eventually he wanted to foregoall treatment.
He was giving up and he diedtwo weeks later.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Two days after his death, his mom called Rick to
let him know and Rick simplysaid oh okay, thanks for letting
me know, and hung up.
What?
No empathy, no shock, no sorry,just click.
Oh, which?
This seems to be a common themeamongst these pukes that we
cover, does it not?
Yes, it does.
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It's disgusting.
Unfortunately, Randy put hisfaith in a cure that wasn't real
.
What he was given was a therapyknown as major autohemotherapy,
a form of ozone treatment whereblood is drawn from the body,
mixed with ozone gas and thenre-injected.
In theory, it saturates theblood with oxygen and cleanses
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it of viruses and bacteria.
Some, like Dr Rick Van Thiel,claimed it could treat
everything from cancer tochronic pain to HIV, but in
practice there are no approvedmedical uses for ozone therapy
in the treatment of HIV or AIDS.
Not a single healthorganization in the United
States recommends it.
In fact, the FDA explicitlywarns against it.
(20:32):
But Rick didn't believe in theFDA.
In fact, he didn't believe ingovernment authority.
Rick was a sovereign citizen.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oh, okay, that explains it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Sovereign citizens are part of an anti-government
extremist movement whose membersdo not recognize US laws.
Rick had a violent criminalhistory with multiple felony
convictions in California andNevada, including incidents
involving firearms and assaultcausing major bodily harm.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh, I'm not surprised .
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, I know right, he wasn't just practicing
unorthodox medicine, he was aconvicted felon, a repeat
offender, an absolute threat.
And now we're going to trysomething new because, as I was
telling Jenna, there is nopicture I can paint to fully
encapsulate this guy, so I'mgoing to play a video recording.
(21:26):
All these videos of him arestill on YouTube and I've posted
in the show notes um myresources, but um, here's a
little clip to give you a littleidea about our little sovereign
friend, um Mr Rick Van Thiel.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Demand a plan.
I've got a plan.
I've got a really good plan foryou.
Stick to the fucking SecondAmendment.
What the fuck do you think thisis all about?
You're sitting here crying inall your videos because, oh, I
lost somebody so big deal,because, oh, I lost somebody so
(22:06):
big deal.
I'm not saying that, even ifyou're telling the truth and you
lost somebody that got shot orwhatever, sorry about that, but
you ain't going to blame thefucking firearm, blame the
motherfucker that shot him.
Now, god, I don't even knowwhere the fuck to start.
You guys are so wrong.
You're as wrong as two boys,fucking Son.
(22:28):
I don't mean to offend youhomosexuals, but the problem is
you, you gotta.
Here's my plan.
The Second Amendment says thepeople have the right to keep
and bear arms.
This right shall not beinfringed.
Okay, we all know that.
You can fucking read Now theGun Control Act back in the 30s
(22:52):
that took away the assaultrifles.
You've got the Gun Control Actof 68 that says that crazies and
felons can't have one.
And you've got the Brady Billand felons can't have one.
And you've got the brady billand you got a whole bunch of
this shit, all kinds of what youcall laws and acts regulations.
(23:12):
Oh god, let me start on thefucking atf that write their own
regulations and then to treatthem as if they're fucking laws.
They're not laws, neither areyour stupid acts.
But the point is is that thesecond amendment says this right
shall not be infringed.
It gives no list of acceptableinfringements not a single one.
(23:36):
So here's what you got to do,and don't go blaming ron paul,
because I sound crazy.
By the way, I'm just pissed offat you motherfuckers trying to
take my firearms rights, becauseevery time you take the
firearms rights away from anycountry, what goes next?
Mass murder.
It's everywhere you gotregistration confiscation, mass
(23:58):
murder.
Get it through your fuckinghead.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So see how I couldn't really do justice on painting
that picture for you wow, thisis supposedly a doctor.
Oh yeah, trying to help peopleright and I don't know if you
picked up on all the chickens inthe background, could you?
You hear them Just cluckingaway?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean, I thought I could hear some some.
Yeah, it sounded like he was ina barn, but he certainly was
raised in a barn.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
With that mouth I've been to third world countries
for like mission trips andthings and like guys.
That's what it sounds like.
Like what?
What kind of compound are youliving on, friend, and you're
treating people what?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
yeah, and, by the way , we're trying to ban assault
weapons not all guns and takeaway people's rights to own guns
.
Come on now and you're talkingabout mass murders.
Mass murders are alreadyhappening in schools.
Yeah anyway, um, anyway, I knowthis was a political trip, but
wow, what a mouth on him.
And he's so angry and ugly.
(25:10):
How would anyone find himhealing?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
But before we dive any more into Dr Rick Van Thiel,
we best visit our chart notesegment.
So, without further ado,welcome to the chart note
segment, where we learn aboutwhat's happening in medicine and
healthcare.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I forgot to sing it first, let's sing it now, hey um
, I just hope that I know we'regetting hey, ellie cats, I hope
you joined in with that one.
I hope this is more interestingthan mine from last week is all
(25:50):
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's gotta be well, mine starts with like a kind of
a sorry but not a sorry.
It's like okay, sorry, we'regoing back to dentistry.
We have a theme, I swear to god, it's's like HIV and dentistry
lately.
But, um, but no, this is reallycool.
And, um, my husband is intolike reading, research and stuff
(26:12):
all the time.
He's always learning things.
So I had asked him like hey,have you learned anything new
and cool recently that I can usefor a chart note?
And he was like well, by, I did.
So let me share with you.
Researchers led by Dr KatsuTakahashi at Osaka's Kitano
Hospital has developed aneutralizing antibody that
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targets and blocks a proteincalled USAG1, which naturally
halts tooth formation.
By inhibiting the USAG1, thetreatment reviews Nope, nope.
The treatment revives dormantdental buds, enabling a third
set of teeth baby teeth andadult teeth beyond baby teeth
(26:59):
and adult teeth to grow.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh yes, so we don't need dentures anymore.
We could grow.
Oh my gosh, that's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So we actually have three.
Right, we can hopefully growteeth.
Um, yes, so I was like holycats.
I didn't know.
We had buds beyond, like yourbaby teeth, and you get your
adult teeth and then there'sbuds.
And I recently had not recentlycause whatever, but um, a
patient, so it's not a while ago, but this little kiddo had what
(27:29):
what we were told was two setsof adult teeth, like a second
set of adult teeth were comingin.
So I wonder if, like thisperson's body just didn't have
this certain protein to like,stop the buds anyway.
So this occurs both in mice andin ferrets, where extra teeth
emerge naturally in the mouth.
Human dental developmentnormally stops after two sets of
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teeth, but these findingssuggest latent third set buds
can be activated.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This drug harnesses that hidden capability for
therapeutic use, so they're Iwonder if kids will find out and
utilize this for extra toothfairy cash.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, because does that mean, when you they're like
watch this, they're giving awayby the time they're doing this.
They're like oh, my parents aregiving out Hundies.
I gotta get these budsactivated.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hundies, that's right .
Oh my gosh.
So like, when you get oneactivated, do you lose the other
one?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think so Well, okay , so as of right now, with these
clinical trials, and we'll getinto it, but they're not trying
to like just activate them ifyou have all your teeth.
If you don't have, your teethis when they yeah Right?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
No, I know it's being stupid, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But I'm also like how do they target one too?
I don't know, we can talk aboutit at the end, but so there has
been preclinical success in2018 experiments and that's the
year 2018, not 2018 experiments.
Mice genetically predisposed.
Sorry, I just lost my abilityto read you guys.
(29:02):
They were predisposedpredisposed to have few teeth,
too few teeth.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Okay, I'm gonna restart this thing not enough
teeth people not enough not twoteeth happening I lost all my
neurotransmitters.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
To be fair, this is hard um and I like feel like a
little lispy right now and Ilike I feel I don't know and all
these words are so like.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think it was my story about the little kid who
wanted to see the titty text.
It was really activated thislisp within me.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Um okay, mice genetically predisposed to have
too few teeth Were administeredthe antibody leading to the
development of additional teeth.
They also did trials on ferrets.
Because they have a morehuman-like dental model, the
ferrets developed extra thirdgeneration front teeth after the
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treatment.
These findings were publishedin Science's Advances in
February of 2021 and generatedsignificant global interest.
So we are currently or they arenot, we are in phase one of
human clinical trials, so that'sbeing performed on adults right
(30:27):
now.
So it was initially announcedfor July 2024 for a start date
later confirmed, to begin on abroader scale in September of 24
at Kyoto University Hospitalthis is in Japan, by the way
with the trial expected to runthrough August of this year,
2025.
This phase involves IVinjection in 30 healthy adults
(30:49):
ages 30 to 64 who are alreadymissing at least one molar.
If the antibody induces growth,new teeth would emerge in
unfilled spaces.
Phase two will be targeted tochildren.
If no serious adverse effectsemerge, the study will expand
sometime in 2025 and go through2026 to include children aged up
(31:10):
until age 27 with congenitaltooth agenesis or oligodontia,
which is missing four to sixteeth or more.
Oh my gosh, I just clicked badbuttons on my document.
Okay, it's still there.
I got worried.
I lost my whole Google Doc.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Paper bag.
Oh hey, can you share my?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
thing with me.
Again, I lost it, yeah.
So applications and benefits.
Congenital oligodontia affects0.1 to 1% of the population.
Again, these are individualsborn with fewer teeth, leading
to difficulty in eating,speaking and facial development.
If successful, this drug wouldoffer a natural alternative to
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dentures or implants,essentially adding a third
option for people.
Preliminary goals aim forregulatory approval by 2030.
Long-term potential may includeregrowing teeth in adults
who've lost them due to toothdecay, periodontal disease or
injuries.
So expert opinions and caveatsout there include some experts
(32:16):
caution that animal results maynot fully predict human outcomes
, especially regarding toothposition, shape and functional
integration.
Ongoing questions include willregenerated teeth match natural
enamel?
Will they integrate into thejaw, stay aligned and avoid
unintended growth?
My question while reading thiswas, like a lot of times, if
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people's teeth are falling outor periodontal disease or
whatever I'm not in dentistry, Idon't know all the terms, but
like the bone has worn down somuch, you know there's so much
bone loss.
So I'm like, how does thataffect?
But maybe they would not bethen a candidate for this.
They would have to do atraditional implant if there
wasn't a phone for an implantand or denture plate, whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I've lost a lot of teethdue to grinding.
Oh, I crack my teeth from.
Yeah, so teeth due to grindingoh, I crack my teeth from.
Yeah, so, um, I'm gonna holdout because I'll tell you what
implants.
Not cheap, no, and it's neverlike a day that you wake up and
go.
You know what I feel like,dropping 20 grand, 10 grand on a
(33:25):
couple teeth, like I'veunfortunately managed to eat
just as much, if not more.
Uh, without a bunch of teeth inthe back.
But, yeah, this is exciting.
I know I was really excited.
This is giving me hope.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So sorry, we went back to the dentistry y'all.
But I was like, oh my gosh,that's super cool.
I didn't know there were even athird set of possibilities in
there.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's awesome, the body's so amazing, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I know right, and I sent this to my friend who is in
dentistry and I was like, oh mygosh, did you know this?
And she, of course, had heardof it.
And I was like I wish my brainlike worked like a researcher
brain, where it's like, oh mygosh, this is a possibility,
let's test it Like can you evenimagine?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow, I think you're listen, amanda.
I think your brain does worklike a research brain.
You're just.
You know as much as we'retalking about teeth, maybe.
Maybe you're into teeth morethan you realized.
But um, I'm not switchingcareers at this point.
I remember your brain coming upwith similar hypotheses and
things when it came to ears andbalance.
(34:27):
So, uh, give yourself somecredit.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, thank you okay, back to the story.
Sorry, I had to get that giggleout really quick okay, what are
you thinking about?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
ears, and it makes you laugh base in your tube,
that's a a little Easter egg forthose of you to see if you've
listened to all of our episodes.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
You know, sometimes you just gotta get the giggles
out.
Two months after Randy's death,authorities received a tip.
The Nevada Department of Healthand Human Services notified the
city of Las Vegas thatunlicensed medical procedures
were being performed out of atrailer.
The report mentioned ozonetherapy.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Is that a thing it mentions?
You can say I thought they weregoing to say unlicensed medical
procedures were being performed, period.
But they're like, but they'rebeing performed out of a trailer
.
That's just, that's justinsulting, Like.
Come on, we need to at leastmake it look good, it needs to
be like.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
This is a strip ball underlined, underlined,
underlined, underlined.
Get there now, I think, sorry.
Um.
So the report mentioned ozonetherapy, it mentioned abortions.
It claimed biohazardousmaterial was being thrown in the
regular trash oh no.
And it mentioned a name thatauthorities recognized
(35:58):
immediately Rick Van Thiel.
And did you catch that?
I said unlicensed, that's right, because Rick did not even have
a medical license.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Oh, what a surprise, what a shock.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Shocker.
In this area of Nevada,individuals associated with the
Sovereign Citizen Movement hadbeen flagged as domestic terror
threats, and Rick matched theprofile perfectly, as I'm sure
you could glean from the clipyou heard before the chart note
segment.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, we didn't get warm fuzzies from that audio
segment.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
All cold pricklies.
For sure, rick was a convictedfelon with a background that
included burglary, pornographyand even inventing sex toys.
And yes, despite his checkeredpast, people like Randy and many
(36:55):
others put their trust andtheir lives in his hands.
Rick taught himself to performboth minor and major surgical
procedures by watching YouTubevideos.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
YouTube.
Oh, he genuinely believed hepossessed the same knowledge and
skills as a licensed physician,embracing the anti-government
ideology common to sovereigncitizens.
He proudly stated that he hadstudied medicine independently
for 28 years and saw no need fora government-issued license to
(37:27):
practice.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Listen, he advertised .
I can't help, I can't, I can'tbite my tongue.
Listen.
He learned on YouTube, butYouTube hasn't been around for
28 years, has it.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, if you guys heard any of the years that I've
been talking about in thisthing, this is recent.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, he's not.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, okay.
So he advertised his serviceson internet sex sites and
Craigslist, deliberatelytargeting low-income individuals
with promises of cheapalternative care.
The treatments he offered werewide-ranging and often dangerous
, including unproven therapiesfor HIV and cancer via ozone
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therapy, tooth extractions, cystremoval, root canals,
circumcisions, castrations andabortions for only $200.
Wow, what a deal.
Yeah, it's like I don't knowhow much that costs, but anyway
I'm like, okay, no, I'm not evengoing to go there.
Yeah, it's like I don't knowhow much that costs, but anyway,
I'm like, okay, no, I'm noteven going to go there.
(38:34):
Okay, one of his websites, rickwrote and this is quote y'all
this is on his website we donatural remedy research for the
purpose of increasing qualityand span of life, one human
being at a time.
It continued to say, unlike theAmerican medical industry's
(38:55):
toxic drug dealing doctors, wedon't see you as your disease.
Okay.
Rick was outspoken in hisrejection of modern medicine,
openly denouncing the licensingof physicians, vaccines, the
pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, gmos and all government
regulation of healthcare.
(39:16):
He promoted himself as aself-taught physician and
insisted the government had noauthority to regulate
prostitution or medical practice, arguing that both were
strictly between consentingadults.
His website claimed that heoffered these treatments at
unbeatable prices and acceptedpayment in Bitcoin, gold, silver
(39:40):
, sexual favors and evenfirearms.
Because why not?
Prior to becoming aprofessional doctor, I was a sex
machine inventor, swinger, bdsmmaster, porn actor and producer
for 14 years, so I've seen itall.
Rick wrote.
(40:00):
He made it clear that dr rickwas just a nickname, not
intended.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I can't be quiet.
I'm supposed to be quiet, Ican't.
What the hell are we talkingabout?
My God, okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'll try.
Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He's such a douchebag .
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Where did you?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
find this guy.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I know the internet.
Surely this is not true.
The dark?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
web.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And there were real victims.
So I don't mean to laugh.
But I'm just like this guy iswildly insane, I know it's just
unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I can't Okay, carry on.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I know.
So we just got to get this lastparagraph.
It's probably the last of thegiggles, okay.
So he made it clear that DrRick was just a nickname, not
intended to infer state sanctionor Rockefeller drug-pushing
training.
The website stated that itspurpose was not to seek FDA
(41:13):
approval or diagnose disease but, quote to help you make
informed decisions necessary totake control of your own life
and health and now to care forit in the manner you decide is
best for you.
End quote.
So investigators confirmed thescary reality that rick wasn't
(41:35):
just drawing blood and injectingit back in.
No, no, he was performing minorprocedures such as removing
cysts and caution, there arevideos of him doing this online,
you guys, oh, no, um, doinginjections and more serious
surgeries.
He did all of this withoutgloves, without antiseptics,
(41:57):
drapes or sterile instrumentsand without any safety protocols
.
It was a threat to thecommunity, and he was that.
He was performing medicalprocedures.
At no point in his life did hehold a medical license.
Authorities also knew that hewas involved in the porn
industry.
He had escalated fromparticipating in the porn
(42:17):
industry to practicing medicinein the nude, all while calling
himself a doctor.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Why not combine your two favorite hobbies right?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
He's like you know what?
I'm pretty good at this, butI'm ready to explore another
avenue.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh well, this guy's not real.
Come on, how did this, how wasthis allowed to happen?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
And like this was not that long ago, I'm literally
crying.
Okay, authorities learned thathe had been talking about
performing heart surgery.
Are you kidding me aboutperforming heart surgery?
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
And let me just emphasize again that he was
doing all this in a filthycamper in someone's backyard,
naked.
Oh man, you can't.
If this was a movie, I wouldsay they've gone too far.
There's no way this is real.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
yes, right, right, right right.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Oh yeah, no, for sure, yeah,for sure yeah, no, yeah yeah, no
, for sure.
Um, okay, so I have just onemore clip to play, you guys, um
oh goody can't wait.
I know.
So this is of a womaninterviewing him and, yeah, just
(43:36):
about how he's going to worknaked whatever, here we go, yeah
, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
We're here today with Rick, who is going to perform a
sack removal.
So, rick, are you a surgeon?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
No, but I played one once in a movie for.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
TaylorMadeClipscom.
Taylormadeclipscom.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You had to get your plug in there, didn't you Of?
Speaker 1 (44:07):
course.
So is this your first sackremoval.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yep, this is the first one, are you?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
excited.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
I think it should be fun.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And where did you learn to remove a sack?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
On YouTube, of course , God.
It's amazing what you can do.
Yeah, you'd be amazed what youcan learn on YouTube.
You could get an education offof YouTube.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Now I notice that you are dressed.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well, this time I'm not going to be.
Last time I got about oh 200,at least 200 comments in two
months.
Just off of that.
It was hot in the summer and Iwasn't wearing a shirt.
So I decided this time becauseeverybody just liked to comment
(44:59):
so much on the shirt that I'mnot only going to do it without
a shirt, but I'm going to do itwithout pants either.
Woohoo.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Get naked.
Oh no, this can't be real.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
He just can't make it up.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'm horrified I'm.
All of the things, oh my god.
No, what the fuck.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
This is absolutely why these clips are necessary,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
This is a human, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Oh my god Okay.
Amanda, I don't know, oh my godokay amanda, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I don't know.
This world, I think, would havebeen complete without somebody
like this.
Like what?
The hell it takes all kindsyou're gonna go april fools and
I'll be like, well, it's me,haha, but at least this guy
doesn't truly exist.
Oh no, he does.
Oh wait, but he does Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Okay, yeah, I just need to take a little sip of
refreshment.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Can I just clarify?
Does she say, does she say Ican't?
Does she say sack removal likelike castration, like like like
a, like you take your dog to gethimself, so you tell our dogs
(46:47):
getting tutored.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
So actually right after that clip where she's all
Yoo-hoo, take it off, oh God.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Then she was horrified and ran for the hills
and she's scarred for life.
She needed to bleach her mind'seye to get the picture of this
man out of her head, oh and likeyou guys, this guy is no, she
was excited we're going to haveto post pictures of him on our
(47:19):
Instagram and our Facebook.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
You guys, I'm telling you, this guy is like not
Patrick Dempsey.
Okay, it is not exciting.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So after she's all, oh you, you, Rick, pick it up.
It's like the worst decision ofmy life.
Help, oh my God, oh my God, ohmy God, okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Then he starts performing what I think is a
cyst in someone's back.
Oh, I thought she said sack.
So I think they just don't.
No, she did.
I think they just have zeromedical training.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
So they don't know she did.
I think they just have zeromedical training, so they don't
know.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'm just gonna take whatever looks like it's saying
I I had my husband watch thatvideo with me and, mind you, he
has worked in the emergencydepartment, you guys, and he was
like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (48:29):
he just literally takes a scalpel to this guy's
back and the guy is like I'm sosorry to whoever that is and I'm
laughing, but like what did youexpect in the shitty trailer?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
but oh man I know, oh man, okay, wow, hope you guys
are still with us.
I'm so sorry, okay, okay, allright.
All right, we're almost there,you guys.
I'm so sorry, okay, okay, allright, we're almost there, you
guys.
Puppies no.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
I'm trying to think of something sad, okay, uh what?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
happened.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Puppies, puppies.
I'm like wait.
No, puppies are sad.
God, take that out.
I'll edit that.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Well, you know what this is about to get.
Oh yeah, okay, whatever, let'sget back into it.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
I just want listeners to knowwe're not laughing at the plight
of people who were no who weredeceived by him and mistreated
by him.
It's just yeah, theridiculousness of who?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
he is.
He is wildly crazy.
Okay, so authorities needed toget a search warrant for the
camper where the procedures andtreatments were performed.
The property of that trailerwas on that of another known
sovereign citizen and theproperty was under surveillance
and armed.
Of course, it was a fortress ofparanoia.
(49:51):
Law enforcement knew thatserving a warrant on this
property wouldn't be easy orsafe, and it was likely that
deadly force would be used.
These weren't just con men.
They were people whofundamentally believed that the
government had no right to stopthem.
Authorities would be the numberone target to be harmed, but
they knew that they needed tostop Rick, as he was a danger to
(50:12):
the public and the only way tostop him was to go.
Hmm, hmm, it was like the movieSaw, one investigator recalled.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
The filth was overwhelming.
Dirt, rotting food, patientfiles and medical tools were
strewn everywhere.
The clinic quote unquote, if wecan even call it that had no
equipment for sterilization,only a stained examination table
sat in the middle of thetrailer, surrounded by pure
chaos.
Examination table sat in themiddle of the trailer,
(50:57):
surrounded by pure chaos, terryKearns, an FBI agent and former
nurse of over a decade, wasstunned.
There was no logic, no safety,no hygiene, she said.
And yet there in that trailer,rick Van Thiel was performing
abortions, lancing cysts,running blood through machines
(51:17):
that they would come to learn henever even cleaned, and
injecting patients with ozonetherapy all under the illusion
of healing and I don't think Italk about it in this, but yes
to the not cleaning.
Like people with AIDS, hiv weregoing there having this ozone
therapy.
Maybe the next person came inwith cancer, had the same ozone
therapy.
(51:38):
So it's like like everyone'sblood's running through this
machine.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
No good.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
The search warrant yielded many records, numerous
computers, hard drives and mediastorage.
Documents seized from thetrailer contained paperwork for
108 patients.
Among the written records, theyfound that he had administered
injections of blood thinner ofthe blood thinner heparin to two
people, had treated at least 23people medically and had
(52:05):
written agreements to treat 83others.
They also seized a vial ofblack market steroids a total of
10 vials of blood thinnerheparin IV bags containing
something that looked like blood, and various medical equipment.
Rick was arrested one week later, on October 7, 2015.
Well, thank God, as the storymade headlines, former patients
(52:31):
began coming forward and itquickly became clear that the
raid had only scratched thesurface.
Detectives combed through therecords recovered from the
trailer, trying to identifypatients and determine what the
procedures had been performedand whether any of them were
illegal.
Many of his patients weretransient or economically
unstable, making them difficultto locate.
(52:53):
Most had turned to Rick becausethey had no other options.
He offered the cheapestservices available, including
abortions you guys, oh noServices available, targeting
young, uninsured women whobelieved they were making a safe
if desperate choice.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
In court, Judge Jude Ann Zimmerman made a chilling
comparison, stating that Rickposed more of a danger to the
community than a serial rapistor murderer.
Yeah, he preys upon people whocannot access health care, she
said before setting his bail at$1 million.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yay.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yes.
When Rick challenged hercalling her remarks on him being
a danger to the community, hesaid that's speculation.
She made it very clear that thecourts would decide that at
trial.
Detectives soon discovered thatthe patient consent paperwork
Rick used includednon-disclosure agreements
Interesting legal decision forsomeone practicing medicine
(53:50):
illegally.
Rick described agreements withpeople he treats as private
contracts over which thegovernment and courts would have
no jurisdiction.
That aside, practicing withouta license in Nevada carries only
a one to five year sentence.
Investigators knew that theyneeded something stronger, so
they began looking for evidencethat Rick's actions had caused
(54:11):
either serious bodily harm ordeath, and three patients stood
out to them.
Two were terminally ill beforeever encountering Rick, which
made it impossible to tie theirdeaths directly to the
treatments.
But a third case, however, hadpotential A man named Randy
Valenzuela.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Randy yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Detective Kidd visited Randy's mother to ask
her about her son's care underRick.
She explained that he convincedRandy to stop taking his
prescribed medications andinstead undergo Rick's ozone
therapy.
She mentioned that Rick hadeven written that letter to
Randy's doctor stating he nolonger needed the conventional
treatment.
Ozone therapy is an alternativepractice so far outside medical
(54:53):
norms that it would constitutemalpractice, even if done by
licensed physicians.
Investigators believe thatencouraging randy to abandon
anti-retroviral therapy may havedirectly contributed to his
death.
So they requested to see hisautopsy.
But the autopsy complicatedmatters.
Randy's death was attributed tocomplications from aids and
(55:15):
cardiomyopathy linked tomethamphetamine use.
His official cause of death wasruled accidental.
The medical examiner couldn'tsay whether the heart attack
killed him was triggered by druguse or the progression of the
untreated HIV.
That lack of uncertainty meantthat prosecutors couldn't pursue
a murder charge.
(55:35):
For Randy's mom choosing not toput her son's personal life on
trial was a relief.
All it would do is make himlook like a junkie.
She said she knew that he wasstruggling towards the end and
didn't judge him for any mannerthat he chose to get through all
of the pain he was in.
Meanwhile, rick's behaviorbehind bars revealed even more
delusional, if that was evenpossible.
(55:56):
In recorded phone calls fromthe jail, which you can find
online I'm not going to play anymore clips of this guy he
portrayed himself as a martyr.
I'm on trial for savingsomebody's life, for curing
cancer, he said.
People come to me because I cando things regular MDs can't.
He denied doing anywrongdoingdoing boldly and
(56:17):
without shame.
Even while in jail, rickcontinued to offer inmates
medical advice and treatments,still clinging to the role of a
healer.
That's when investigators madetheir most disturbing discovery.
Yet Interviews with femalepatients revealed that Rick
often conducted procedures whilecompletely nude.
He offered sex in exchange fortreatments and routinely
(56:39):
performed vaginal and analpenetrations under the guise of
medical necessity, without anylawful purpose.
Multiple victims confirmedthese allegations and
prosecutors now had what theyneeded charges of sexual assault
.
Go get him.
This time it would stick.
Rick was charged with 29 counts, including unlawful practice of
(57:00):
medicine, sexual assault,sexual assault resulting in
substantial bodily harm, andchild abuse and neglect, which
the child abuse and neglectstemmed from procedures that he
performed on minors whileclaiming to be a doctor.
He was yeah.
From procedures that heperformed on minors while
claiming to be a doctor.
He was yeah.
In April 2016, a grand jury wasconvened to move forward with
(57:21):
the case, but unfortunately,justice would never come.
Just before the trial, at 11 pmon a Friday night, corrections
officers found Rick Van Thielhanging in his cell.
He had taken his own life.
To some, his suicide was thefinal act of a coward, a man
unwilling to face consequencesor hear a jury declare his guilt
(57:43):
.
To his victims and theirfamilies, his death robbed them
of a chance to confront him incourt and see justice done.
Still, one bitter truthremained he would never harm
another person again.
In the aftermath, the FDAformally banned the use of ozone
therapy in medical settings.
The ripple effect of Rick'sdeception and destruction had
(58:03):
finally reached the regulatorylevel, but for many it came far
too late.
And that, my friends, my alleycats, is the story of Rick Van
Thiel of rick van thiel.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Oh wow, okay.
Well, I found it hard, aseveryone knows, to control
myself throughout this story, soyou know my thoughts on the
matter.
But oh, my goodness gracious me.
I, like I said, you can't makethis stuff up if, if this was a
movie, people would say you'vegone too far.
It's not yeah exactly, but acharacter like this existed,
someone who'd prey on thedesperate and the vulnerable
looking for medical, somehow aresolution to a medical mystery.
(58:47):
And this is what gary null did.
But at least gary wasn't opera,or isn't?
He's still operating from theback of a trailer.
I can't believe that headvertised on Craigslist.
If you're on Craigslist, folkslooking for a doctor, chances
are you're not going to getquality or even someone who's
(59:09):
actually a doctor.
Narcissist much, I mean, that'swhat I I I'm reading my notes
here I, you know, narcissists,as we know, have um, he was an
actor and a producer, jenna, sohe's a pretty big girl in vegas.
They have delusions of grandeur.
This guy thought he was curingthings.
(59:30):
He wasn't curing anything.
He was, uh, as we know, um,just perpetuating uh, lies and
deception, with no pretense ofeven trying to clean up the
place.
Come on, dude, the back of atrailer.
Okay, if you have to have atrailer, can we at least clean
it.
I can at least pretend and usea set of gloves.
Good lord he hasn't.
(59:52):
Even he and like think all thechickens balking at you when
you're walking up to the door Imean right, but I mean he had
all the the uh pretenses ofbeing a doctor but none of the
accoutrement, can I?
say um, one human being at atime was something that caught
me.
He's like oh well, you know,our research is one human being
(01:00:15):
at a time, that's.
That's not a parametric study.
So from that you can't.
You can't take one human beingand then make an assumption.
Okay, dude.
So you're very like oh well, wecan be trusted because we
research one human being.
Guess what, dude?
We need millions of humanbeings, I mean at least
thousands, but not one, to makean assumption.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Have you ever read an actual study, my friend?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Right Accepting payments in sexual favors.
Nothing says depraved more thansomeone who's going to accept
payment for medical care insexual favors.
This is a man who's not to betrusted.
I'm crossing him off my list.
And the fact that he tried toget out of the fact that he was
(01:01:05):
masquerading as a medicalpractitioner by oh well, dr Rick
is just a nickname.
No, come on, dude, you'restupid.
And the reason you used doctoris because you actually buy into
the fact that they are peoplethat we can trust that actually
know something about health care.
(01:01:25):
So you decided to masquerade asone.
What are you know?
The?
The?
What are they?
Sovereign citizens, everythinggovernmentally, uh, imposed upon
medical practitioners that callthemselves doctor.
Why did you have to try andsteal that good question?
You know.
(01:01:46):
So the very people that you'rebelittling, you've, you've
pretended to be.
So me thinks.
Uh, that, and the fact thatyou're.
I'm sorry if my doctor pitchesup in the mud, unless it's
McDreamy on ER, I'm going to sayno, thank you, I think I'm in
(01:02:09):
the wrong clinic.
So, again, I cannot believethat this arse of a human being
actually managed to exist in atleast 108 patients that we know
of.
Yeah, and poor Randy was thefirst patient you talked about,
(01:02:32):
who might have actually, yeah,survived had he continued to
take his antiretroviralmedication.
He could have lived a long life.
Um, so you know, I considerthat negligent and horrific and
unforgivable I mean, obviouslyhe knew he wasn't gonna get away
with.
It is why he took the coward wayout so he's a blight upon the
(01:02:58):
planet that no longer willplague us.
He says it.
That's been popped upon theface of reality here.
Bye bye, no, no, no remorse forthat comment, adios.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you for joining in thatadventure with me, and I'll just
say sorry to you personally,because you're going to have to
edit out a lot of coughs afterour laughing attack.
Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I might have to edit out some of the laughter.
Happy editing.
It's so incredulous.
How could I not?
You know it's you.
You set me up for that.
Yeah, you try and keep it.
I was right there with you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I was right there with you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Trailer talking about how he's all that and a bag of
chips, no thank you Well, youknow he, he played a surgeon
once on a video.
I've starred in porn, so I haveto do with various bits and
pieces of the human anatomy.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Okay.
Whatever so anyway, moving onto a different body part,
speaking of pieces of anatomy.
Remember when I talked abouthow much it stinks to have
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Thank you, handful.
Should I do the medical mishap?
I suppose you better.
We got a medical mishap, Isuppose you better.
Okay, we got a medical mishapto lighten up the mood here.
So this comes in from Amy andshe said we can share her name.
So, thank you, amy.
Amy, and she says hello, jennaand Amanda.
(01:06:12):
I wanted to start.
Hi.
I wanted to start by saying howmuch I absolutely love your
podcast.
Oh, bless you, thank you.
We pay you to say that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
She's on the payroll, not true?
Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
So don't get too excited.
Listeners or Alleycats I'mdefinitely a fan, as you alluded
to last week.
Call me an Alleycat, alleycat,alleycat Meow.
Amy Meow, definitely a fan, asyou alluded to last week.
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Call me an alley cat oh wow, oh, my goodness okay,
dial it back oh no, I liked it,keep going we're just on another
planet I know, sorry guys, I'mon summer break you're on break,
so what's your excuse?
Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
um, the way that you, she says, the way you shine a
light on medical crimes,exploitation and the systems
that fail to protect peoplematters.
Oh, thank you.
You're bringing attention tostories that don't don't always
get told or that we've neverheard about, and that is some
powerful work, ladies.
(01:07:20):
Your mix of empathy, researchand let's be honest dark sense
of humor make the podcast feellike listening to brilliant
friends who actually get it.
I look forward to wednesdays.
That's such a great compliment.
Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Wow, we love that.
We love to hear that.
Anyway, enough long story long.
I've got a story I wanted toshare with you and I know that
it's not super wild, but it'sall I had in a good cautionary
tale for those cooking in thekitchen.
Yes, I had my husband'spermission to share.
Oh, this sounds familiar.
Yeah, sorry, back to to theemail.
(01:07:58):
I just started laughing outloud, thinking how uneventful
the story is compared toamanda's husband's story.
Yeah, I mean it's that's a hardone to talk honestly that's,
that's at the bar.
But anyway, we appreciate you.
Let's see what you got, okay?
So she says my husband hasalways loved to cook.
In fact, when we started dating, that would be our date nights.
(01:08:21):
Oh, we'd pick out new recipesand make them together, which
usually meant I would drink wineand cook for me I mean get it
sis, hello, marry him yesterday.
Yeah, what am I right?
Uh, one night he decided tomake a classic.
His quote, famous end quotehomemade nachos that we would
(01:08:42):
take to a friend's party god, Ilove nachos chopped I love
nachos too.
The more loaded the better he.
He chopped jalapenos like a pro.
Hey, I think I know where thisis going.
He carried on in the kitchenlike a true Gordon Ramsay.
Now I'm sure you suspect, ohyeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Read my mind Because she says now I'm sure you
suspect where the story is going, so I will share that Kyle did
wash his hands after slicing thepeppers, but apparently not
thoroughly.
A short while later, kyle'sstomach starts rumbling.
Time for a quick trip to thebathroom.
This is where things went south.
(01:09:24):
Within seconds of zipping up,kyle starts screaming Because,
yep, that poor guy he tried.
Oh wait, because, yep, thatleftover capsicum from the
peppers had transferred to, well, the southern hemisphere.
Oh no, oh, at least he triedeverything Ice packs, milk,
(01:09:45):
yogurt, soap, aloe vera butnothing helped.
He was in pure jalapeno agony.
He finally caved and we went tothe ER.
The ER doc gave him sometopical lidocaine, I think.
Either way, he was back tofeeling better in no time.
So, while this doesn't involvestaples lol, amanda, I'm so
sorry that happened to yourhusband, and every man cringes
(01:10:08):
anytime we tell that story.
Um, it's still a tale to warnto keep the cooking out of your
pants.
Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
That's okay X.
Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
X stay suspicious Amy .
Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Oh well, thank you for sharing that, Amy.
I think probably anythinginvolving the Southern
Hemisphere is just no bueno allaround, so sorry that happened
to Kyle.
Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Oh boy.
Well, you know, you know how Istarted this and I was like it's
it.
I don't actually remember if Ijust told you or if I told
everyone that this is going tobe a short one today, but turns
out it wasn't because we laughedlike alley cats out here.
Um.
So, jenna, what can we expectto hear next week?
Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
um, amanda, oh god, we're gonna hear a bit more
about a dentist oh my god,dentistry I know I couldn't, I
couldn't help myself.
Um, I read an ann rule novel asa little teaser there, and, um,
(01:11:13):
we're gonna talk about a dentist, but I also I'm gonna throw in
a little.
My chart note is gonna be alittle about a little article
that I've read that hassomething so gruesome and creepy
you're not gonna believe it.
So, um, yeah, a little bit of alittle bit of everything a
little bit of murder, a littlebit of intrigue and a little bit
(01:11:35):
of like.
Yeah, a little bit ofeverything A little bit of
murder, a little bit of intrigueand a little bit of like over,
and probably a lot of oh boy.
So that's what you can expectfor next week.
Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yep, well, we will look forward to that, so.
So until then, guys, don't missa beat.
Subscribe or followingDoctoring the Truth wherever you
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(01:12:06):
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Until then, until I say this, Iactually want to give a quick
(01:12:28):
shout out to, if she ever, ever,ever hears this uh, lady spine
dog, yeah, oh my god, she likedmy tiktok.
Look her up on tiktok, betsy,grunge, y'all woman,
neurosurgeon, badass woman she'samazing, go queen yeah, okay,
so until then stay safe and staysuspicious.
(01:12:49):
Goodbye.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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