December 5, 2025 • 70 mins
A failed residency, a brittle ego, and years of simmering resentment—then two brutal double homicides that stunned Omaha. We unpack the Anthony Garcia case from the beginning, starting with his trajectory through medical school and pathology training at Creighton, the evaluations that documented poor judgment and disruptive behavior, and the dismissal that he interpreted as sabotage. What follows is a meticulous, evidence‑driven breakdown of how a professional grudge turned into targeted violence against the families of physicians he blamed for ending his career.
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SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Amanda.
Jenna.
I'm laughing because I countedto three and then I couldn't
find my little recording dot.
And then I said, go veryclumsily, and I shouldn't be in
charge of counting, I think,anymore.
You know what?
I think we did great.
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All right.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
No, in the end, it really only affects you because
you're the one that edits thetrack.
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
So oh man, how are you?
How you doing?
I'm good.
Did you have a good turkey day?
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
Turkey day was good.
Adam and I hosted.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Oh wow, that's a lot of work.
I mean, you're busy growing awhole ass human and you've
hosted?
Good for you.
SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
Yeah, but just my family, a small amount.
Both of our families are verysmall, so it's not hard to host.
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
When you say small, like I find it hard to rustle up
10 people for two families.
So what are you what do you meanis small?
Because in Minnesota.
Come on.
SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
No, so my family, I have one sibling who's married,
has two kids.
So that's a pack of four thatcomes.
A four pack.
And then my parents, yeah, afour-pack, and then my parents
are a two-pack.
And then Adam and I for now area two-pack plus a four-leg.
Um so yeah, four, six, eightpeople only.
(02:54):
Yeah, that's a nice family.
If all of us are there, ofcourse, like when my parents
will be hosting Christmas attheir house, and like my aunts
and their families will be theretoo, but it still is small.
Yeah.
It's an additional four-pack andan additional two-pack.
Yeah.
It's tiny.
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Yeah, I guess it all things considered, but like all
my aunts and uncles and andcousins and whatever, they're
spread all over the show.
So honestly, we you know, we wefind it hard to wrestle up a
dirty dozen.
And now that I'm up in thenorth, the northern hemisphere.
(03:32):
Yeah, I I spent basicallybecause you know, when you're
new to a job, you have to buildup your PTO.
So yeah, you know, IThanksgiving Day drove the six
hours, six and a half hours downto almost Iowa to see my parents
just across the whole state,Hurt near refused to move north.
(03:55):
The selfish, selfish people.
But anyway, so for the firsttime in my life, no time to work
on it.
I know, right?
I normally cook a bunch ofstuff.
I pride myself on all my littlethings that I like to make.
And I stress out for a week.
Oh bless your heart.
And I stress out and it's all athing.
I didn't have any time tothere's no grocery store near me
(04:15):
up here that I'm willing tonavigate to on icy roads.
So I found one grocery store inSt.
Peter, not the Pearlie Gates,for those of you who are not
from Minnesota, but one FamilyFresh grocery grocery store that
was open.
I mean, even McDonald's wasn'topen, but good for them.
Anyway, this Family Fresh wasopen for another 20 minutes as I
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passed by.
Oh so I pulled in and I boughtpre-made mashed potatoes, sweet
potatoes, everything.
Everything but cranberry sauce,which apparently my mother
forgot to get, and she alwayshas.
Anyway, so I'm in line.
I'm in line at this grocerystore, and it and the the
register breaks down, and thispoor gal is working on you know
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Thanksgiving Day.
It's like four o'clock orsomething, and she's supposed to
close.
The register breaks down.
We're like, I don't know, eighthin line, and you know,
everybody's just happy thatthey're able to get some form of
sustenance this day.
And Savannah, my daughter, hadyou know, obviously had to bring
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the parrot Wiffle, which by theway, you're welcome for Wiffle's
guest appearance last week onour episode.
My mom was like, I could justhear Whipple's Whiffle's
contribution in the back, youknow, the squeak, squeaks in the
background.
That was her.
So she had Wiffle in her birdbackpack, which is basically a
backpack with a clear, like,dome over it and a little perch.
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And so there's this parrot likein the middle of the winter in
her grocery basket.
And I mean, people in line werenot they're not mad about
waiting because she took Wiffleout.
Wiffle cap called a bunch ofpeople, and it was like this
whole celebration in line, andthen we were finally like, oh, I
guess they're buying grocerieswhen when the register came back
back up.
So it was a really kind ofpleasant moment.
(06:05):
But I tell you what, nuking andmicrowaving those sides, those
pre-made sides, a pleasure.
There was no stress, it didn'ttake very long.
There you go.
Yeah, loved it.
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (06:18):
Maybe new traditions.
I'll do it again for you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Yeah, uh-huh.
I think I need to change mystandards.
SPEAKER_03 (06:26):
Well, I'm glad it all worked out and you were able
to be with your family still onThanksgiving.
SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
Thank you.
So, without any further ado,what you got for us?
Little mama.
SPEAKER_03 (06:41):
Well, this week we're gonna be talking about a
doozy of a guy.
I mean, they all are dooziesthough, right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
Yeah, not in a good way.
SPEAKER_03 (06:51):
No.
So no really disclaimers ortrigger warnings for this guy.
He's just kind of a big joke ofa bloke.
And all of my uh resources willbe listed in the show notes.
Per us.
If you guys ever look at theshow notes, usually I'm super
(07:12):
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to click on them if you want.
And I only did that I see tothree or four of them.
SPEAKER_00 (07:19):
So wait, what?
Oh my gosh, you're so much nicerthan me.
I didn't even realize that was athing we could do.
I just put the XQRs in the case.
I usually edit the hyperlink.
Oh, good job.
Yeah, good job.
Anyway, did I skip the gun?
Did we?
I mean, I mentioned Wiffle was afan, was a uh participant in
last week's audio.
I mean there were dogs and therewas a lot of clitter clitter
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clatter of corgi and chihuahuanails on hardwood floor in the
background.
I apologize.
Was that you know what?
SPEAKER_03 (07:51):
I'm just happy you had to have you got to have your
fur babies with you in theNorthwoods.
SPEAKER_00 (07:55):
I know it was nice, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_03 (11:14):
Okay, now that tracks will be playing in the
back of my mind while I'mreading the entire.
SPEAKER_00 (11:18):
Oh boy, sorry about that.
SPEAKER_03 (11:21):
That's okay.
If you guys hear me stumble onreading, it's because you know
I'm singing this is how we don'twant.
Except then the other third ofmy brain will be singing, but
this is not how you do it.
Because actually you're supposedto be reading.
You're not supposed to besinging.
SPEAKER_00 (11:35):
Welcome.
And my mouth will still bereading.
Does anyone else's brain dothese things?
Yeah.
Well, first of all, it couldit's mama brain, probably, first
and foremost.
But as an ADHD, proud cardcarrying ADHD person, I will
say, I feel you, I feel you,girl.
SPEAKER_03 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, we're just so busyupstairs.
I always got five track minds.
SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
I mean, my mind is like the filing cabinet where
all the files have been thrownin the air, and I can like see
stuff as it's coming down.
But don't expect me toconcentrate on one file.
I'm gonna be looking at theother.
Ooh, look at that one.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:09):
You don't want to miss something good flying by.
Maybe something you haven'tpulled out in a long time,
right?
Okay.
For real.
Los Angeles in the 1970s was aplace of contradictions with
sun-bleached sidewalks,neighborhoods humming with
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ambition, and pockets of quietstruggle hidden beneath
brightness.
That's where Anthony JosephGarcia entered the world on June
7th, 1973.
He was born the first of threechildren to Fred and Estella
Garcia, a working class couplewhose lives revolved around
routine and responsibility.
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His father sorted mail for aliving, and his mother worked as
a nurse.
Bless both of those occupations.
SPEAKER_01 (12:59):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (13:01):
People who knew the family remembered them as
stable, unremarkable, and quiet.
Nothing in Garcia's childhoodannounced what was to come.
He wasn't a problem child norprodigy.
No school counselors raisedalarms, and no teachers reported
cruelty, violence, or disturbingbehaviors.
He moved through early life likea shadow.
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Present, functional, but hard toget a read on.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Oh my gosh, the way you said that, that he moved
through his early life like ashadow.
How creepy is that?
You're such a good writer.
SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
Thank you.
But even in those early years, afew patterns emerged.
He was bright, gifted withsciences, but solitary.
A boy who seemed to study peoplemore than he interacted with
them.
He wasn't the kind of kid fondlylaughing on the playground.
He was the one watching from itsedges.
SPEAKER_00 (14:00):
Are you laughing?
I'm laughing because you'reswatting a ladybug.
Does a ladybug dive bomb my faceright at this really poignant
moment where you're like talkingabout this person who's
obviously a little bitmaladapted?
And this ladybug has it in forme.
She keeps dive bombing myeyeballs.
So I do look like a crazyperson.
I'm so sorry for interrupting.
(14:21):
No, it's okay.
I'm gonna keep going.
Keep going.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
He did show ambition from early on, though.
Medicine seemed to appeal to himin a way few things did.
He liked the structure, thehierarchy, and the authority it
bestowed.
He liked the idea of mastery andhe liked the certainty.
After high school, he moveddeliberately through the
milestones, the undergraduatestudies, medical school
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prerequisites, a future mappedout like a ladder only he could
climb.
He didn't make a lot of friends,but he wasn't interested in
that.
Medicine rewards discipline, hethought, not charisma, and he
had the discipline in spades.
This sounds like a surgeon.
Sorry.
He entered medical school at theUniversity of Utah, earning his
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MD in 1999.
By all accounts, he wascompetent.
He was smart enough, quietenough, and diligent enough to
move through the curriculumwithout making any ripples.
But underneath the surface,something was stirring.
Supervisors later described himas someone who had difficulty
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taking criticism, who hadthin-skinned defensiveness and a
simmering resentment towardsauthority.
That combination isn't unusualin medicine.
Residency programs see itsometimes in trainees who
struggle under pressure, butmost would eventually grow out
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of it.
But Anthony Garcia did not.
If anything, it calcified.
After graduation, he took hisfirst residency at Bassett St.
Elizabeth Family MedicineProgram in upstate Utica, New
York.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
New York.
SPEAKER_03 (16:29):
Yeah, unfortunately, I couldn't find anything more on
that.
But that is a statement.
SPEAKER_00 (16:36):
Not a good one.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
No, no, no.
He resigned, and the stateissued an administrative
warning.
So this meant that his namewould be flagged if he applied
for a state medical license inthe future.
It was his first fall fromgrace, the first fracture in a
career that needed perfection tosurvive.
And Garcia didn't forget thatslight, and he didn't forget it
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either.
He didn't forget it and hedidn't forgive it either.
I don't know if I read thatright, but that is what I meant
to say, folks.
Even though I'm like, you didthis to yourself.
But okie dokie.
He then pivoted to pathology.
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He'd be a doctor's doctor, afield that reads disease in
tissues and cells, one stepremoved from living patients.
It was a quieter specialty, moreanalytical, and less social.
And for someone like Garcia, itseemed like it should be a
refuge, right?
Sounds perfect for him.
In 2000, he landed in Omaha,Nebraska, joining the Creighton
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University Medical Center BergenMercy Pathology Residency
Program.
To understand what happenednext, you have to understand
Creighton, a respected Jesuitmedical center with a tight-knit
faculty and a program thatprided itself on rigor and
professionalism.
It wasn't a place where excuseswere tolerated or where
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residents could coast through.
Garcia stood out early amongsthis class, but not in the way
residency directors hope for.
Notes from attendings describedhim as difficult, erratic,
unprepared, defensive,uncorrected, and increasingly
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agitated by criticism.
unknown (18:29):
Dr.
SPEAKER_03 (18:30):
Chandra Butra judged his attitude to be passive
aggressive, stating that, quote,Dr.
Garcia showed marked lack ofinitiative and interest.
He took no responsibility forhis cases.
His knowledge of basic histo isvery poor.
End quote.
She also made formal complaintsagainst Garcia to Dr.
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William Hunter, who oversaw thepathology residency program.
He was nope, I gotta start thatover.
It was the first time she'd eversuggest a pathology resident be
suspended.
He was the worst resident in my40 years of teaching.
Not good.
Right from the beginning, he wasadversarial.
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He did not like me.
He was rude in class, and he wasquite disruptive in my class,
she said.
Pathology is a field thatdemands precision.
And when Garcia's evaluationsreflected inconsistency and he
was confronted about it, hebristled.
His first flirtation withactually getting fired happened
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after an autopsy.
Garcia flipped a body face downand left it that way overnight.
The problem with this is thatpositioning a body in such a
manner can cause damage to theface.
So it violated both Creighton'spolicies and honestly, just
common sense.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Disrespectful as well.
SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
Not to mention like we learned about from our true
crime friends.
Morbid Lividity can affect manythings, right?
And it can, I mean you'resupposed to be doing an autopsy.
Is that the final say?
Because you're gonna ruin theautopsy if it needs to be
continued or someone else needsto have a look for a second
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opinion.
SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
So needless to say, the funeral home director was
not happy about the wholesituation and would go on to
file formal complaints withCreighton's Hospital.
Faculty members like Dr.
William Hunter, who againoversaw the program, and Dr.
Roger Brumbach, chair of thepathology department, were names
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that would later becometouchstones of tragedy.
They were among those whoassessed him.
Both men were respected figuresin the field, stern but fair.
They were the sort of physicianswho believed the patient's
safety and academic integritycame before a resident's pride,
which absolutely.
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Amen.
But Garcia didn't see it thatway.
In his mind, he was beingcorrected.
He was being attacked.
When Dr.
Brumbach heard about whathappened, he wanted to fire
Garcia right away.
But Creighton's lawyers wouldinform the pathology department
that Garcia would have to go onprobation to follow the
university's employmentpractices.
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By April 2013, Garcia.
By April 2013, Garcia knew thathe was on review status, but
another incident in the autopsyroom was the straw that broke
the back.
Garcia called the wife of Dr.
Hashish, a chief resident whohad the day off to take a
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high-stakes exam.
And he had told her that he wasmissing an important mandatory
meeting in the autopsy room.
So this prank call causedconsiderable stress, obviously,
to Dr.
Hashish, excuse me.
And his family, making them, ofcourse, worry, but most
specifically for him to worryduring the final day of this
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examination.
Tensions began to grow and theevaluations mounted.
Meetings with supervisors becamecombative, and in time he was
dismissed from the program.
Panelists recommending thedismissal wrote, It represents
warranted, it representsunwarranted and unacceptable
harassment, and as such,represents unethical conduct
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that damages and undermines thepathology program.
This would be a career-derailingblow for any trainee, but
especially devastating forsomeone as rigidly ambitious as
Garcia.
He never recoveredprofessionally and he never
forgot personally.
Still, Garcia would go on toanother residency program in
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Illinois after Dr.
Hunter wrote him a brief letterof recommendation, which
honestly, how gracious that heeven did that.
Mm-hmm.
I felt that in a differentenvironment he might recover,
Hunter said, explaining why hetried to give Garcia another
residency spot.
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The actions he did at Creightonwere unforgivable, but maybe in
a different environment he mightdo okay.
Garcia moved on to theUniversity of Illinois, Chicago,
where he would work for only twoyears before leaving due to
documented or cited poor health,migraine headaches, and
depression.
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Creighton University MedicalCenter sat quiet against the
Omaha skyline, a mix of beige,brick, and fluorescent-lit
hallways where medical careerswere built block by block and
sometimes broken just asquickly.
For most residents, it was aproving ground, demanding but
fair, as I mentioned before, thekind of place where the weight
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of experienced faculty guidedyou through the maze of
pathology.
But for Anthony Garcia, it wassomething else entirely.
To understand how a residencydispute could evolve into a
quadruple homicide, that'sright.
Spoiler alerts.
Oh no! A quadruple homicide iscoming.
You have to know the people whowalked its corridors, the
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mentors, the critics, thecolleagues who had no idea they
were stepping into thecrosshairs of one man's growing
resentment.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Oh my gosh.
I have chosen.
SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
Brumbach was respected for his precision, his
intensity, and his sense ofduty.
He wasn't a man who playedfavorites.
Residents often found himintimidating, the kind of
attending whose silence during acase review could say more than
a 10-minute lecture.
He wasn't unkind, he simplyexpected excellence.
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Dr.
William, or Bill Hunter, youngerthan Brumbach, but cut from a
similar cloth.
He was serious, meticulous, anddemanding.
Hunter cared deeply aboutshaping residence into competent
physicians.
To Garcia, though, herepresented something dark, a
gatekeeper standing between himand the career he felt he
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deserved.
Dr.
Chandra Butra and Dr.
Heinrich's, and then, of course,others, they were all the
faculty members whose signaturesappeared on Garcia's
evaluations, the ones whodocumented concerns about his
performance.
Most barely even interacted withhim outside of the department.
And none of them imagined theirnames would later appear in a
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murder case file.
The evaluations.
Pathology residencies live anddie by the white sheets of
evaluation forms and theircheckboxes, handwritten
comments, assessments ofjudgment, professionalism, and
reliability.
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These forms aren't meant topunish, rather, they're meant to
guide.
But again, Garcia did not eversee this as guidance.
He saw them as a betrayal.
He said that they were racistagainst him.
The reports from Creighton, nowpart of court records, paint a
consistent picture.
He was consistently noted tohave poor preparation,
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argumentative response tofeedback, angry or defensive
reactions, difficulty workingwith staff, and concerns about
judgment and clinical tasks.
It wasn't just one report thatsank him.
It was a pattern of reports.
I mean a pile of reports.
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:40):
I mean, where's the redeeming quality here?
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
I mean, yeah, I haven't seen one.
SPEAKER_00 (26:45):
Yeah, okay.
Maybe you have difficultyworking with staff, but you've
like excellent judgment, oryou're great with staff, but not
excellent judgment.
There's he just sucks ateverything.
SPEAKER_03 (26:56):
There's no compliment sandwich, it's just
all a dirty, shitty, soggysandwich.
SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
That's right.
A poop sandwich.
SPEAKER_03 (27:04):
Yeah, blah.
When program directors met withhim to discuss the issues, lit
witnesses would later recall himas cold, tense, and visibly
resentful.
He believed that he was beingtargeted, that others were
undermining him.
The Creighton faculty werejeopardizing his future.
And how dare they?
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If paranoia had been a low homein his mind before, it was now
growing louder.
And in the end, Creightondismissed him from the pathology
program, as I already shared.
There was no sudden explosion,no dramatic confrontation, just
paperwork, a meeting, and afinal decision that Anthony
Garcia would not continue atCreighton.
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But as I also mentioned, Dr.
Hunter wrote him that letter ofrecommendation for another
program, which I'm like.
Let's be thankful here, sir.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:00):
For some residents, dismissal is a detour.
It can be painful and evenembarrassing, but something that
they will survive.
They regroup, recalibrate, andtry again elsewhere.
And this is what Garciainitially did when he was
dismissed from the familymedicine program in New York,
but his dismissal from pathologywould prove to be different.
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He didn't regroup.
He brooded and stewed.
He held on to the names of thosehe blamed like they were etched
into steel.
Dr.
Roger Brumbeck, Dr.
William Hunter.
The two faculty members hebelieved contributed most to his
downfall.
The decision cost him more thanhis pride.
It derailed him.
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Medicine wasn't just a job toGarcia, it was validation.
It was a scaffolding, holding upa man who otherwise seemed
hollow, and without it, hedrifted.
As I mentioned, Dr.
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Hunter's letter ofrecommendation secured him a
spot in Illinois and Chicago,but that he had left after only
two years.
And then he moved back to hisparents' home in Walnut,
California.
Walnut.
He applied for licenses invarious states, but the you know
the New York disciplinary noticefollowed him.
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Which, when I read that, I waslike, thank goodness, because
that's something usually in ourcases that's like this didn't
follow you, but it should have.
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
Yeah, the states are totally unaware of what's
handing their way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
So luckily for him, it followed.
Not only did the New Yorkdisciplinary notice follow him,
Creighton's evaluations alsofollowed him.
Every credentialing committeesaw the same record, a resident
who couldn't complete programsand left trails of concern.
Garcia was then hired by Dr.
Anita Kablinger, then directorof the psychology residency
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program at LSU Health SciencesCenter in Louisiana in July of
2007.
He remained there only until2008 when the State Board of
Medical Examiners informed himthat he might not qualify for a
medical license due to the factthat he had not reported his
failure to finish the pathologyprogram at Creighton or UIC.
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The board also notified Dr.
Kablinger, who had growingconcerns, by the way, about his
performance from early on.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
It didn't take him long.
SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
He was terminated.
Yeah, exactly.
He was terminated from theprogram on February 27th, 2008.
So July to February.
Which I'm like, you have to putthat on every application
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anywhere.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
Right?
So you lied.
I mean, that's you lied.
But also Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:02):
Yeah.
So, you know, Dr.
Kablinger had met with him andkind of gave him the benefit of
the doubt of a conversation oflike, hey, anything you want to
unveil here?
And basically, he told her thatthe his former bosses at
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Creighton were racist againsthim.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a controversial question because
are there whatever your answeris, it doesn't matter that he's
no he's in the wrong here, butis he black?
SPEAKER_03 (31:38):
He's Hispanic.
SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Okay.
But like when you do this kindof stuff and then hold the race
card, you're actually hurtingyour Latino cohorts because you
are right?
I mean, you're behaving in thisway and then saying, Well, I'm
Latino, you're racist.
Well, it's like, well, no, butthey don't behave like like it's
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like, well, you don't expectthat anything.
You're letting the Latinocommunity down, you know.
Yes.
Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_03 (32:14):
So Dr.
Koblinger had had also calledDr.
Hunter at Creighton and waslike, hey, want to shed some
light on what's happening.
And Dr.
Hunter verified all of thereasons why he was termed, and
she was like, listen, I'm seeingthat too.
So anyway, he was an adiosgoodbye from LSU.
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His life became a rotation ofshort-term medical jobs,
attempts at re-entering trainingagain and again, and periods of
unemployment.
He began drinking more heavily,and multiple partners and
acquaintances later describedhim as unpredictable, quick to
anger, and withdrawn.
He grew increasingly frustratedwatching other people's lives
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continue forward effortlessly,or so it seemed to him.
Back in Omaha, the pathologydepartment certainly moved on
without him.
Dr.
Hunter advanced in his career,and Dr.
Brumbach remained an influentialpresence in neuropathology.
None of them gave Anthony Garciaa second thought.
SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
Why wouldn't they?
SPEAKER_03 (33:16):
Yep.
Exactly.
Revenge isn't always a suddenspark, though.
Sometimes it's a slow, cruelburn and bitterness that had
drug on for years until ithardens into something
poisonous.
And by the late 2000s, Garciawasn't a doctor in the
traditional sense.
He was a man who had tastedfailure repeatedly and blamed
everyone else for every drop ofit.
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He continued to fixate on thosenames of the men who once handed
him performance reviews.
SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
Yikes.
But before we get more intothat, it's time for a doo-doo do
chart note.
SPEAKER_03 (33:54):
That was different.
I felt a little jazzy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (34:00):
Put a little stank on it.
SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
Hey.
SPEAKER_03 (34:04):
This is gonna be a surprise for all of us because I
did it so long ago I don't evenremember what my chart note is.
SPEAKER_02 (34:11):
Chart note surprise.
Welcome to the chart notesegment where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
Okay, here we go.
Nestled in Cambridge,Massachusetts, the ADA.
Oh, yeah, I remember this.
Foresight.
Institute has long been a beaconof oral health research.
It's been a while since wetalked about oral health, guys.
Had to bring it back.
SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
O R A L for those of us who are in audiology.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
This is about the mouth, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (34:45):
This is about the mouth, not A-U-R-A.
It's O-R-A-L.
Beyond its reputation for dentalscience, a pioneering team
within its walls is rewritingthe story of what dental pulp
stem cells can do, not just forteeth, but for the body as a
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whole.
This group has identified aremarkable population of stem
cells tucked away at the verytip of the tooth root.
Unlike their more commoncounterparts in the pulp
chamber, these apicallylocalized dental pulp stem cells
have shown exceptional vitalityand regenerative potential.
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They're adept at forming newblood vessels, surviving harsh
conditions, and providing richmolecular signals that kickstart
tissue repair.
What makes Forsyth?
I can't say that.
Forsyth?
Yeah, no, you that's I feel likethat's a last name from where
I'm from.
Foresight.
No, but that's that's how yousay it.
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Well, perfect.
Their team's findings are sotransformative, and their vision
is beyond simply regrowingteeth.
These ALDPSCs, which I didn'tsay before, but Lance's a
shortened version, share manycharacteristics with stem cells
used in bone, nerve, andcartilage repair.
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Their unique origin of neuralcrest tissue, the embryonic
source of various bodystructures, gives them a
flexibility that few other adultstem cells can match.
In laboratory experiments, foursize researchers have seen these
cells differentiate not onlyinto dentin-producing
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odontoblast-like cells, but alsointo bone and neuro-like cells.
Moreover, the cocktail of growthfactors in extracellular
vesicles they secrete encouragesthe formation of new blood
vessels and calms inflammation.
Two pillars of successful tissueregeneration anywhere in the
body.
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The potential applications arevast.
If harnessed correctly, thesecould help to heal bone defects,
regenerate damaged nerves afterspinal injury, or support
recovery in degenerativetissues.
Nope.
Because these cells can beobtained with minimal
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invasiveness, because they comefrom extracted adult teeth or
baby teeth that are naturallyshed, they offer a practical and
ethically favorable alternativeto other stem cell sources.
SPEAKER_00 (37:23):
I knew there was a reason why I would save my kids
baby teeth.
People make fun of me.
SPEAKER_03 (37:28):
I know how long do we have?
SPEAKER_00 (37:31):
People have made fun of me.
Like, why have you got all theseteeth around?
You look, it's really morbid.
I'm like, no, they're my kids'teeth.
It's like part of their body.
I'm not gonna throw it away.
Well, now I have a now I have anexcuse.
SPEAKER_03 (37:42):
You're like, this is for stem cells, okay?
SPEAKER_00 (37:44):
But even weirder, I had to hide them like in my
underwear drawer and aroundbecause you know Well, you want
kids to believe in thetoothbrush, right?
SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
And then you forget they're not gonna go in mom's
underwear drawer.
SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
Right?
There's random little teeth allover the show.
Bless.
Okay.
So funny.
SPEAKER_03 (38:03):
So yeah, they this Forsyth Institute continues to
refine methods for deliveringthese cells to damaged dental
tissue.
They are also actively exploringhow the same principles might
translate to therapies forheart, nerve, and skeletal
injuries.
Their ongoing work on bioactivemolecules like resolvins have
demonstrated enhanced tissuehealing in animal models,
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hinting at futureself-re-treatments derived from
DPSC secretions.
Though clinical trials directlyled by this institute are still
in early stages, the momentum isclear.
This team stands at theforefront of a new era where the
humble tooth's stem cells arepoised not only to revive
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damaged teeth, but to becomeversatile agents of healing
across the body.
A shining example ofregenerative medicines promised,
realized.
SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
I love that.
Oh my gosh, that's so exciting.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (39:00):
And don't people always say oral health is the
mirror to like overall health?
Yeah, absolutely they do.
Look at these teeth, just outhere fixing things.
SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
I'm definitely pro-dentite.
I'm not anti-dentite.
We are pro-dentite.
Even though we talk about a lotof murders, we're not
anti-dentite.
We're pro-dentite.
Yay! Go to you.
Nice.
Okay.
Back to the store.
This is not not boo you, but boothis guy.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (39:31):
Boo.
Okay.
The murders at 5306 North 54thStreet, 2008.
Before the murders, the victimslived full textured lives.
Dr.
William Hunter was by then wellestablished in Omaha, respected
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in pathology, and balancing ademanding career with family
life.
He lived in Omaha's Dundeeneighborhood, the kind of place
where people still waved at eachother from their driveways,
where neighbors know who belongson their streets, and where
children ride their bikes alongsidewalks cracked only by time.
It was into this quiet,respectable world that a killer
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stepped on March 13th, 2008.
I hate this.
The home at 5306 North 54thStreet belonged to Dr.
William Hunter and his wifeClaire and their 11-year-old son
Thomas, known to everyone simplyas Tommy.
Tommy was known for hiskindness, a boy who loved video
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games, friends, and the normalcomforts of childhood.
They had a housekeeper namedShirley Sherman, who was the
kind of woman whose loyalty kepthouseholds running.
She was hardworking, warm, andloved deeply by her family.
None of them knew AnthonyGarcia.
None of them have had wrongedhim.
But in Garcia's mind, hurtingDr.
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Hunter meant striking back atthe institution that wounded
him.
SPEAKER_01 (41:04):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_03 (41:05):
Dr.
Hunter, after all, was the samephysician who had been a part of
the committee that fired Garcianearly seven years earlier.
It was he who had signed off onthe termination letter, a
document that would later becomea symbolic thread tying Garcia
to the victims.
On that Thursday afternoon,Afternoon, Dr.
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Hunter was working, as wasClaire.
Tommy was home from school, andShirley arrived a little after 1
p.m.
to clean, as she had done weeklyfor years.
Someone walked quietly into thehome in the middle of the
afternoon.
No forced entry, no chaoticbreak-in.
Whoever came in knew how to keepcalm.
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And what happened next wasbrutal.
Too brutal for a young boy or awoman whose only mistake was
being present that day.
The killer stabbed both of themto death.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Oh no!
SPEAKER_03 (41:57):
Yeah.
No valuable stolen, nothingvandalized.
A few hours later, Dr.
Hunter walked into his home tofind a nightmare that no parents
should ever have to endure.
Tommy and Shirley were bothdead, both brutally stabbed.
The scene was chaotic.
The crime looked personal andtargeted, but who could or would
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want to target such rage at an11-year-old boy and a
housekeeper?
SPEAKER_00 (42:25):
Sweet baby Angel and the poor housekeeper.
Oh my gosh, this is terrible.
SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
Investigators were struck by the brutality and the
ferocity of the attack.
Each victim had multiple stabwounds.
There was no sexual assault, norobbery, no ransacking.
Nothing was taken except thesense of safety in the
neighborhood.
Witnesses described a heavy setolive-skinned male in the
vicinity, correlating him to asilver Honda CRV with an
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out-of-state license plate.
The only unusual detailinvestigators could identify was
the connection to Creighton.
Thomas was the son of apathology professor, but even
that seemed like a stretch.
Academic disputes don't end inslaughter, after all.
For years the police would shiftthrough theories.
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Was this retaliation?
Something random?
Personal hit?
A case of mistaken identity?
The answers remained elusive,and as the weeks turned to
months, the case turned cold.
And yet, the murders of TommyHunter and Shirley Sherman were
not isolated.
They were just the beginningbecause someone somewhere
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watched from afar as the citygrieved and detectives stalled.
SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
It's like a horror movie.
I can't believe this.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (43:47):
There were five quiet years between 2008 and
2013.
Garcia lived a transient,unstable life.
He continued to drink heavilyand he failed to keep jobs.
He applied repeatedly formedical positions and was
rejected again and again andagain.
Each rejection affirmed thenarrative that he had built.
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They ruined me, they destroyedmy career, and they owe me.
By now, his resentment wasn'tjust towards Hunter.
It had widened, deepened, andcrystallized.
If Dr.
Hunter represented the beginningof his downfall, Dr.
Roger Brumbeck represented itspermanence.
The senior faculty member whoseevaluations had carried weight,
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whose name appeared incorrespondence about Garcia's
problems, and whose influencehad closed doors.
In 2013, Garcia went back toOmaha.
He was seeking the darkest kindof closure.
On May 14th, 2013, the nextnightmare unfolded, this time
nearly 20 miles north of Omaha,in a small, quiet community.
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In a beautiful two-story home,lived Dr.
Rombach and his wife Mary.
Like Dr.
Hunter, he too had been involvedin Anthony Garcia's disciplinary
actions years earlier, as weknow.
And that afternoon, a pianomover and his colleague, so
piano mover Jason Peterson andcrew arrived at the home where
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they expected no one to be.
They were just moving a piano.
And one of the movers noticed ahandgun magazine lying in the
home's open doorway, and theyimmediately called the police.
Peterson later commented that hesaw Brumbeck's body, but he
didn't notice any blood.
Detectives were dispatched tothe Brumbach home where they
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found that Roger had multiplegunshot wounds and a stab wound
to the neck.
And Mary had been stabbed todeath, apparently with knives
taken from their own kitchen.
SPEAKER_00 (45:51):
Oh man.
SPEAKER_03 (45:54):
Detectives immediately thought the murders
were similar to the HunterSherman murders from years
earlier.
Their suspicion of a connectionbetween the crimes was
reinforced when police learnedthat Dr.
Brumbeck had been a colleague ofDr.
Hunter, and the name AnthonyGarcia surfaced again.
Not as an immediate suspect, butas a possibility.
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Most crucially, investigatorsdiscovered something chilling.
All four victims were directlyconnected to the individuals
responsible for his firing atCreighton.
Dr.
Hunter fired Garcia, and Dr.
Brumbach was part of thedisciplinary decisions.
Tommy Hunter, who was Dr.
Hunter's son, his death couldinflict pain onto Dr.
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Hunter, and Shirley Sherman, theHunter's housekeeper, murdered
simply because she was present.
This was the motive thatinvestigators had been missing
for years.
Additionally, they found he hadpurchased a firearm that would
fit the magazine found at theBrumbach's home.
Also, Garcia's credit card hadbeen used twice in the area near
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the Brumbach's house, whichwe're glad that criminals are
idiots.
But he's just like cash homie.
Hello.
Phone records would also latershow that a search for the
Brumbax address occurred only afew minutes after the alarm
sounded at the Butros home.
I found conflicting research onlike if he went to Butros home
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before the Brumbax or one beforethe other.
But regardless, the big pictureis phone records placed him
there.
He searched the address and theidiot used his credit card.
In July 2013, detectives finallyobtained enough evidence to
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issue a warrant for Garcia'sarrest, coordinating with
Indiana law enforcement and theFBI to track him.
They believed he was responsiblefor all four murders.
And what a great belief thatwas.
The evidence included hisvehicle, the Silver Honda CRV,
which became central to theinvestigation, especially after
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surveillance footage from theBrumbach's neighbors showed a
similar car near the crimescene.
So they had the magazine thatmatched the gun he had recently
purchased, debit card and cellphone tracking near the
residence of the victims.
On July 15th, Louisiana StatePatrol spotted Garcia's SUV
weaving dangerously on thehighway.
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Inside the car, they found a45-caliber handgun, 50 bullets,
knife packaging, alcohol bottlesscattered across the seats, an
LSU lab coat, stethoscope,employment rejection letters,
printed maps, and GPS data fromNebraska.
SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Did he live in his car?
Like, what was the need to bringall this stuff everywhere you
go?
What a dumbass.
Floating around with his beerbottles.
What a dumbass.
All right.
SPEAKER_03 (49:50):
He's like, I'm not getting rid of my lab coat or my
stuff is coming.
SPEAKER_00 (49:53):
And all my rejection letters, so everyone understands
the motive along with the murderweapon.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (49:59):
Yeah.
D-A.
SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
Oh boy.
SPEAKER_03 (50:01):
Raven, that's your dad.
Your shadow's freaking her out.
If you just heard Raven growlsbecause Adam was creeping in the
hallway.
Okay.
I gotta find where I was again.
I gotta move my leg.
SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
Okay.
So they pulled him over.
He had GPS data from Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03 (50:23):
Garcia appeared intoxicated and disoriented, and
he was immediately charged withDUI.
When officers checked hisbackground, they discovered the
act of homicide event.
They were like, dude.
Let's hold on to you, buddy.
Holy shit, we got a big fishhere, guys.
Not going on for dinner tonight,sweetheart.
No, although it appears you maynot have a place to go for that
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anyway.
But yes, so the arrest wasquiet, anticlimatic, really, for
what this case deserved, but itmarked the end of more than a
decade of spiraling fury.
The state of Illinois suspendedhis medical license within days
of the arrest.
SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
Is he gonna murder the whole state of Illinois for
taking away?
Well, like that, he wouldn't beable to get a medical license.
No, but my point is he getspissed off at anyone who, you
know, gives him a couple ofthings.
Oh, sure, sure, sure.
I see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_03 (51:18):
Yeah, anyway.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This guy has a problem with uhanger guys.
SPEAKER_00 (51:26):
Yeah, thank.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (51:28):
Yeah, a little bit.
So his trial began in October2016 in Omaha, and it was a
highly watched and deeplyemotional case that brought
victims' families back into thepainful spotlight.
Prosecutors showed evidence fromGarcia's home, including a trash
bag in the kitchen sink, inwhich his termination letter
from Creighton and handwrittennotes with a to-do list that
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included such items as put tapeon your fingers and buy common
shoes was found.
They also found that when Garciawas in Louisiana, he had owned a
silver Honda CRV with a licenseplate fitting the description of
the car seen around the hunterhome at the time of the first
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killings.
In addition, his saliva samplematched DNA left behind by the
intruder who had tried to breakinto the Butre house days after
the Brumbax were killed.
Prosecutors laid out a narrativebuilt on motive, opportunity,
and a pattern of revenge.
They chronicled Garcia'sfailures in medical training,
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his explosive resentment towardsCreighton's pathology
department, and the years hespent simmering in perceived
injustices.
Witnesses testified aboutGarcia's erratic behavior, his
violent temper, and his fixationon past slights.
Among these witnesses was awoman named Cecilia Hoffman, who
was a former stripper inIndiana.
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She testified that four yearsafter the Dundee murders, when
Garcia had tried to pursue herromantically, she attempted to
blow him off by saying that sheonly dated bad boys.
According to her statements,Garcia responded by saying he
had, quote, killed a young boyand an old woman, end quote.
SPEAKER_00 (53:12):
Oh, not sexy, Garcia.
That's not what she meant.
Oh boy.
SPEAKER_03 (53:18):
Not quite it, sir.
SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
You missed the mark there, dude.
SPEAKER_03 (53:22):
Red legs be a flying.
She wants to talk to you lessnow, actually.
SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (53:29):
Garcia sat in court largely silent, often slumped
and occasionally smirking.
And at times he seemeddisengaged, and at other times
he appeared to teeter on theedge of emotional instability.
The prosecution's theory wassimple and devastating.
Anthony Garcia was a failedphysician who blamed Creighton
for ruining his career.
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He murdered the people hebelieved were responsible and
the children or bystanders whohappened to be in the way.
After weeks of testimony, thejury deliberated less than two
days, which I'm like, two days,but whatever.
On October 26, 2016, Garcia wasconvicted on nine counts.
Four counts of first-degreemurder, four counts of use of a
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deadly weapon to commit afelony, and one count of felony
burglary.
Sentencing was initially delayedas the state of Nebraska was set
to vote on whether to repeal orretain the death penalty.
So in November, the state votedto retain the death penalty.
And in September, these monthsaren't making sense.
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But basically, it was delayed.
They voted to retain the deathpenalty, and then later a
three-judge panel sentencedGarcia to death.
Garcia's time in prison has beenmarked by mental and physical
deterioration.
He's refused food at times,became incoherent during
evaluations, and was repeatedlyhospitalized for issues related
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to self-neglect and allegedpsychiatric decline.
His defense attorneys argued hewas incompetent.
The court consistently ruledotherwise.
And as it stands, Garcia remainson death row at Tech Tecumseh.
SPEAKER_00 (55:14):
Say who?
Tecumseh State CorrectionalInstitution in Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03 (55:18):
Tecumseh State Correctional Institution in
Nebraska.
In November 2022, the publicdefender's office began attempts
to appeal his sentencing, and byMarch 2023, he had filed a
motion for a new trial callinghis previous attorneys a
nightmare.
In this appeal, Garcia noted 130alleged errors made during his
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trial that involved 15 topics,including motions to suppress
DNA and digital evidence,ineffective counsel and
constitutionality of the deathpenalty.
Luckily, his appeal for a newtrial was rejected.
The court ruled that, quote, wecannot determine on direct
appeal whether counsel wasineffective in certain regards.
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We otherwise affirm Garcia'sconvictions and sentences, end
quote.
Garcia has never expressedremort remorse or guilt, and he
has never spoken publicly aboutthe victims.
But through evidence, thetestimonies, and the devastation
left behind, the story ofAnthony Garcia is clear.
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He's a man whose professionalfailure metastasized into a
murderous rage, claiminginnocent lives and leaving
permanent scars across Omaha'smedical community.
SPEAKER_00 (56:35):
Oh my goodness, what a case.
I did not see this coming.
Good job.
Thank you.
I have a few questions, but likeway in the beginning, it was
like, well, even before myquestion about his career and
the beginning of his career,it's like, was he an only, I
can't remember now, was he anonly child?
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Like, how did he develop one ofthree?
So how did he develop thisnarcissistic behavior where he
can't take any criticism and hehas to always be right and he's
thwarting authority?
Like it's so strange.
SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
I don't know, because also he was the oldest
of three.
So I feel like if if any ofthose personality traits ever do
are like fostered or something,it's usually like a younger
child who feels like they can'tlive up to I'm wondering if his
younger siblings were like wayyounger.
SPEAKER_00 (57:31):
So at a period of time when he was an only child
where you think you're entitledto everything and you're the
bees and knees, and how dareanyone and and what now you're
not yeah, and what's his so hismom was a nurse, his dad was a
postal worker.
Like where's his where is heputting these?
Obviously, I appreciatephysicians and medical workers
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of any kind, but like where ishe putting this on this pedestal
where if he doesn't reach that,he's he's less than?
It's almost like it was anattack on his personality if he
wasn't able to achieve this.
So what set him up to be towhere that was I don't think
unacceptable to be anythingelse?
Anything right, yeah.
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Yeah.
And also, how bad did thisinitial infraction that we
didn't and I know you don't havethe answer, but this initial
infraction that banned him frommedicine in the first place, and
thank God it did because hedidn't ha actually touch
patients, but he must have donesomething terrible.
SPEAKER_03 (58:35):
Had to have been, and like your my thought is
like, well, geez, he didn't wantto go after them, and thank god
he didn't, right?
Like, we don't want anyone elseto have him injured, but like
yeah, that was kind of the crux,right?
SPEAKER_00 (58:48):
So that was like the impetus for his his fury, like
somehow he was his own worstenemy, and of course, you know,
with narcissists, he they're thevictims, everyone else is the
problem, even though they're thecommon denominator.
But normally you can kind ofpredict how this was set up and
why they're placing suchself-worth on this one
(59:11):
profession.
So there's that question, I'mdying to know, but then also I
put messing with hashish puremean.
So I think that was that was aphysician.
Yeah, I mean, how dare he?
And also references.
Oh my gosh, it's such a it'ssuch a conundrum because if you
(59:35):
have a student who is somebodythat you wouldn't want to hire,
how do you how do you open theirfuture in a place that might be
a better fit for them by givingthem a reference that doesn't
deny them opportunity?
It's such a hard thing.
And if you actually just goahead and give them like a
(59:56):
positive review, that's areflection on you and your own
reputation.
So there's a lot on the line.
So the fact that Dr.
Hunter was a victim in all thisis like you ungrateful piece of
shit.
I mean, way that's anunderstatement because obviously
he didn't deserve to die, butlike obviously this guy had
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absolutely no clue what peoplewere doing for him in spite of
his personality defect.
I mean, he obviously and howmuch of a personality defect do
you need to have to not be ableto work with dead people or
tissue samples?
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:33):
Tissues.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:36):
I don't know.
I can't this is this is anincredible story, and I
appreciate you bringing it up.
Shocking.
Well done.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:46):
Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00 (01:02:30):
I mean, I need to push up bra for my butt.
I just need to get in there andorder this.
I think I'm gonna do that andreport back to our listeners.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:41):
Please do.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02:41):
Also, your girl's not an athlete, but I move
around a bit.
I expect my leggings to movewith me.
So yeah, I think I'm acandidate.
So we'll we'll stay tuned.
And I and the the discount is isgenerous.
But meanwhile, shall we hear aquick medical mishap before we
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sign up?
Let us do it.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:03):
Let us do it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03:05):
This message is entitled, Hi Jenna and Amanda.
I'm a pharmacist working in abusy urban hospital, and this
story has haunted me since theday it happened.
One afternoon, during a hecticshift with multiple medication
orders flooding in, a nurse camerushing to me with a question
(01:03:25):
about a patient's IVantibiotics.
The label on the medication bagdidn't seem right.
The antibiotic that was orderedwas vancomyosin, but the label
said vancophylline, which is acompletely different drug that's
used for respiratory issues andnot bacterial infections.
I immediately pulled amedication from the floor and
(01:03:46):
double-checked the orders andpharmacy records.
Turns out, due to a mix-up inthe compounding room, two
medications with similar namesand similar packaging had been
swapped.
Good catch.
That nurse caught it just intime before it was administered
to the patient with potentiallydeadly consequences.
(01:04:09):
If that medication had gone intothe patient's ID line, the
consequences would have beensevere, including respiratory
distress and cardiaccomplications.
We trace the error back,quarantined the batch, and
implemented stricter labelingprotocols.
Well done.
And this is an instance wherenobody needs to be blamed.
(01:04:29):
You just figure out what thesystem error is and you fix it.
It's nobody's fault.
Yes.
It's like, okay, well, thiswhatever we're doing, it looks
too similar.
Let's change it.
Nobody needs to get thrown onthe bus about this.
I love, I love that thissituation, at least as far as we
know, isn't mentioning anypunitive action.
(01:04:49):
The writer goes on to say, thatday reminded me how fragile the
chain of safety really is, andhow easily one small error could
cascade into a life-threateningevent.
I still think about that patientand the dedicated nurse who
caught the mistake before it wastoo late.
Yours truly, a hospitalpharmacist who sees the fine
(01:05:10):
line between safety andcatastrophe.
Bless your heart.
Bless your heart pharmacist andbless your heart nurses and
everybody else who stands up topoint out safety issues because
that's the only way we getbetter.
That's the only way we savelives.
Well done.
SPEAKER_03 (01:05:30):
All right.
What can we expect to hear nextweek from you, Jenna?
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:35):
Well, you know, I feel like we've heard a lot
about murderous doctors,dentists, nefarious nurses.
But I'm gonna flip the coin abit and we're gonna talk about
some potentially disastrouspatients.
Yeah, baby.
We're talking some dirtypatients, some dastardly
(01:05:59):
patients.
I am I don't know if it'll bepatients or a patient, but I
have a handful, and it's reallyscary that I have to pick from
them as we're providers thathave to deal with patients and
yikes.
But yeah, let's we're gonna goon a journey.
So I hope everyone stays tunedand buckles up for next week.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:22):
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:24):
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So anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:31):
I never know anything that's going on.
Just let me know what I shouldthink about.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07:35):
But honestly, guys, I've had some listeners approach
me and be like, well, we'reafraid to make comments,
whatever.
Oh my gosh, if we could get afew comments, it would show that
people are actually listeningbecause we know you are.
We hear from you, we see yourdownloads.
So leave us a uh at least acomment of some kind or at least
rate and review uh wherever youlisten.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:57):
And can they make like a username when they do it?
So it doesn't have to be theirname so here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:08:04):
No, it doesn't tell us.
It doesn't tell us.
No, you just put whatever youwant, but it's Apple, it's
Spotify.
Our primary users are Apple andSpotify, but we have cast box
and all kinds of places that youcan leave a review wherever you
listen.
Um it just shows that we're outthere.
I mean, it doesn't have to be.
I mean, if it was you know, fiveout of five would be amazing,
(01:08:26):
but you know, let's berealistic.
Maybe maybe one wiffle theparrot squeaking in the
background.
It's a 4.5.
I get that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:08:32):
But you know, just just we get it.
We're not gonna hold a grudgelike Garcia, okay?
SPEAKER_00 (01:08:38):
Let's generate some traffic so we can show that
we're out there and other peoplecan enjoy and we can keep going
and keep motivated to do thisbecause we love it and we love
our listeners.
So until you leave us a review,until you listen.
Until then.
Stay safe and stay suspicious.
(01:09:03):
Bye.
Just stay suspended.
You know what I was doing?
I was poking, I was still going.
Amanda.
Jenna.
I'm laughing because I countedto three and then I couldn't
find my little recording dot.
And then I said, go veryclumsily, and I shouldn't be in
charge of counting, I think,anymore.
You know what?
I think we did great.
(01:47):
All right.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
No, in the end, it really only affects you because
you're the one that edits thetrack.
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
So oh man, how are you?
How you doing?
I'm good.
Did you have a good turkey day?
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
Turkey day was good.
Adam and I hosted.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Oh wow, that's a lot of work.
I mean, you're busy growing awhole ass human and you've
hosted?
Good for you.
SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
Yeah, but just my family, a small amount.
Both of our families are verysmall, so it's not hard to host.
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
When you say small, like I find it hard to rustle up
10 people for two families.
So what are you what do you meanis small?
Because in Minnesota.
Come on.
SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
No, so my family, I have one sibling who's married,
has two kids.
So that's a pack of four thatcomes.
A four pack.
And then my parents, yeah, afour-pack, and then my parents
are a two-pack.
And then Adam and I for now area two-pack plus a four-leg.
Um so yeah, four, six, eightpeople only.
(02:54):
Yeah, that's a nice family.
If all of us are there, ofcourse, like when my parents
will be hosting Christmas attheir house, and like my aunts
and their families will be theretoo, but it still is small.
Yeah.
It's an additional four-pack andan additional two-pack.
Yeah.
It's tiny.
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Yeah, I guess it all things considered, but like all
my aunts and uncles and andcousins and whatever, they're
spread all over the show.
So honestly, we you know, we wefind it hard to wrestle up a
dirty dozen.
And now that I'm up in thenorth, the northern hemisphere.
(03:32):
Yeah, I I spent basicallybecause you know, when you're
new to a job, you have to buildup your PTO.
So yeah, you know, IThanksgiving Day drove the six
hours, six and a half hours downto almost Iowa to see my parents
just across the whole state,Hurt near refused to move north.
(03:55):
The selfish, selfish people.
But anyway, so for the firsttime in my life, no time to work
on it.
I know, right?
I normally cook a bunch ofstuff.
I pride myself on all my littlethings that I like to make.
And I stress out for a week.
Oh bless your heart.
And I stress out and it's all athing.
I didn't have any time tothere's no grocery store near me
(04:15):
up here that I'm willing tonavigate to on icy roads.
So I found one grocery store inSt.
Peter, not the Pearlie Gates,for those of you who are not
from Minnesota, but one FamilyFresh grocery grocery store that
was open.
I mean, even McDonald's wasn'topen, but good for them.
Anyway, this Family Fresh wasopen for another 20 minutes as I
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passed by.
Oh so I pulled in and I boughtpre-made mashed potatoes, sweet
potatoes, everything.
Everything but cranberry sauce,which apparently my mother
forgot to get, and she alwayshas.
Anyway, so I'm in line.
I'm in line at this grocerystore, and it and the the
register breaks down, and thispoor gal is working on you know
(04:59):
Thanksgiving Day.
It's like four o'clock orsomething, and she's supposed to
close.
The register breaks down.
We're like, I don't know, eighthin line, and you know,
everybody's just happy thatthey're able to get some form of
sustenance this day.
And Savannah, my daughter, hadyou know, obviously had to bring
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the parrot Wiffle, which by theway, you're welcome for Wiffle's
guest appearance last week onour episode.
My mom was like, I could justhear Whipple's Whiffle's
contribution in the back, youknow, the squeak, squeaks in the
background.
That was her.
So she had Wiffle in her birdbackpack, which is basically a
backpack with a clear, like,dome over it and a little perch.
(05:43):
And so there's this parrot likein the middle of the winter in
her grocery basket.
And I mean, people in line werenot they're not mad about
waiting because she took Wiffleout.
Wiffle cap called a bunch ofpeople, and it was like this
whole celebration in line, andthen we were finally like, oh, I
guess they're buying grocerieswhen when the register came back
back up.
So it was a really kind ofpleasant moment.
(06:05):
But I tell you what, nuking andmicrowaving those sides, those
pre-made sides, a pleasure.
There was no stress, it didn'ttake very long.
There you go.
Yeah, loved it.
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (06:18):
Maybe new traditions.
I'll do it again for you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Yeah, uh-huh.
I think I need to change mystandards.
SPEAKER_03 (06:26):
Well, I'm glad it all worked out and you were able
to be with your family still onThanksgiving.
SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
Thank you.
So, without any further ado,what you got for us?
Little mama.
SPEAKER_03 (06:41):
Well, this week we're gonna be talking about a
doozy of a guy.
I mean, they all are dooziesthough, right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
Yeah, not in a good way.
SPEAKER_03 (06:51):
No.
So no really disclaimers ortrigger warnings for this guy.
He's just kind of a big joke ofa bloke.
And all of my uh resources willbe listed in the show notes.
Per us.
If you guys ever look at theshow notes, usually I'm super
(07:12):
like type A and we'll renamethem so it's easy for you guys
to click on them if you want.
And I only did that I see tothree or four of them.
SPEAKER_00 (07:19):
So wait, what?
Oh my gosh, you're so much nicerthan me.
I didn't even realize that was athing we could do.
I just put the XQRs in the case.
I usually edit the hyperlink.
Oh, good job.
Yeah, good job.
Anyway, did I skip the gun?
Did we?
I mean, I mentioned Wiffle was afan, was a uh participant in
last week's audio.
I mean there were dogs and therewas a lot of clitter clitter
(07:43):
clatter of corgi and chihuahuanails on hardwood floor in the
background.
I apologize.
Was that you know what?
SPEAKER_03 (07:51):
I'm just happy you had to have you got to have your
fur babies with you in theNorthwoods.
SPEAKER_00 (07:55):
I know it was nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
So you know what?
They can do it.
Yeah.
So anyway, before we move intothis douche magosh, we must
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Have you ordered any of thesebabies yet?
Because I got enough.
SPEAKER_00 (08:32):
That's on my TD list because I my problem is I don't
know if I'm gonna share them ornot.
SPEAKER_03 (08:38):
You're like, do I ship to up north or do I ship to
middle?
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
I know, I don't know.
I can't trust like them waitingto the weekend.
I'm gonna have to time this orsend them up to the woods.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:50):
So they're known for melt-in-your-mouth textures,
high-quality ingredients, andincentive flavor combinations,
which we have gone over before,and they sound absolutely
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They are founded by Molly, who'sa single mom from Alaska, and
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SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (09:19):
And honestly, what a hat's off to you to be serving
your cookies at the GrammyAwards.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
Oh my gosh.
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Thank y'all.
So we've talked about hersignature creations before, the
different flavors.
So I'm just gonna say a couplelike standouts.
The hot mess, which is mango,white chocolate, and hot
Cheetos.
Pina coladas, which is whitechocolate, coconut, and fruity
pebbles.
That one sounds so good to meright now.
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Maple syrup, bacon, whiskey, andwhite chocolate.
I bet are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
I bet you that's amazing.
I mean, it sounds so weird, butI bet you it's so good.
That combination.
Oh my gosh.
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And that's M O L L Y B Z dot com.
You got it.
SPEAKER_03 (10:55):
All right, well, you know, from really no time like
the present, shall we just uhdive right in?
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
Let's let's do it.
Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_03 (11:14):
Okay, now that tracks will be playing in the
back of my mind while I'mreading the entire.
SPEAKER_00 (11:18):
Oh boy, sorry about that.
SPEAKER_03 (11:21):
That's okay.
If you guys hear me stumble onreading, it's because you know
I'm singing this is how we don'twant.
Except then the other third ofmy brain will be singing, but
this is not how you do it.
Because actually you're supposedto be reading.
You're not supposed to besinging.
SPEAKER_00 (11:35):
Welcome.
And my mouth will still bereading.
Does anyone else's brain dothese things?
Yeah.
Well, first of all, it couldit's mama brain, probably, first
and foremost.
But as an ADHD, proud cardcarrying ADHD person, I will
say, I feel you, I feel you,girl.
SPEAKER_03 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, we're just so busyupstairs.
I always got five track minds.
SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
I mean, my mind is like the filing cabinet where
all the files have been thrownin the air, and I can like see
stuff as it's coming down.
But don't expect me toconcentrate on one file.
I'm gonna be looking at theother.
Ooh, look at that one.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:09):
You don't want to miss something good flying by.
Maybe something you haven'tpulled out in a long time,
right?
Okay.
For real.
Los Angeles in the 1970s was aplace of contradictions with
sun-bleached sidewalks,neighborhoods humming with
(12:30):
ambition, and pockets of quietstruggle hidden beneath
brightness.
That's where Anthony JosephGarcia entered the world on June
7th, 1973.
He was born the first of threechildren to Fred and Estella
Garcia, a working class couplewhose lives revolved around
routine and responsibility.
(12:51):
His father sorted mail for aliving, and his mother worked as
a nurse.
Bless both of those occupations.
SPEAKER_01 (12:59):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (13:01):
People who knew the family remembered them as
stable, unremarkable, and quiet.
Nothing in Garcia's childhoodannounced what was to come.
He wasn't a problem child norprodigy.
No school counselors raisedalarms, and no teachers reported
cruelty, violence, or disturbingbehaviors.
He moved through early life likea shadow.
(13:23):
Present, functional, but hard toget a read on.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Oh my gosh, the way you said that, that he moved
through his early life like ashadow.
How creepy is that?
You're such a good writer.
SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
Thank you.
But even in those early years, afew patterns emerged.
He was bright, gifted withsciences, but solitary.
A boy who seemed to study peoplemore than he interacted with
them.
He wasn't the kind of kid fondlylaughing on the playground.
He was the one watching from itsedges.
SPEAKER_00 (14:00):
Are you laughing?
I'm laughing because you'reswatting a ladybug.
Does a ladybug dive bomb my faceright at this really poignant
moment where you're like talkingabout this person who's
obviously a little bitmaladapted?
And this ladybug has it in forme.
She keeps dive bombing myeyeballs.
So I do look like a crazyperson.
I'm so sorry for interrupting.
(14:21):
No, it's okay.
I'm gonna keep going.
Keep going.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
He did show ambition from early on, though.
Medicine seemed to appeal to himin a way few things did.
He liked the structure, thehierarchy, and the authority it
bestowed.
He liked the idea of mastery andhe liked the certainty.
After high school, he moveddeliberately through the
milestones, the undergraduatestudies, medical school
(14:48):
prerequisites, a future mappedout like a ladder only he could
climb.
He didn't make a lot of friends,but he wasn't interested in
that.
Medicine rewards discipline, hethought, not charisma, and he
had the discipline in spades.
This sounds like a surgeon.
Sorry.
He entered medical school at theUniversity of Utah, earning his
(15:10):
MD in 1999.
By all accounts, he wascompetent.
He was smart enough, quietenough, and diligent enough to
move through the curriculumwithout making any ripples.
But underneath the surface,something was stirring.
Supervisors later described himas someone who had difficulty
(15:32):
taking criticism, who hadthin-skinned defensiveness and a
simmering resentment towardsauthority.
That combination isn't unusualin medicine.
Residency programs see itsometimes in trainees who
struggle under pressure, butmost would eventually grow out
(15:53):
of it.
But Anthony Garcia did not.
If anything, it calcified.
After graduation, he took hisfirst residency at Bassett St.
Elizabeth Family MedicineProgram in upstate Utica, New
York.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
New York.
SPEAKER_03 (16:29):
Yeah, unfortunately, I couldn't find anything more on
that.
But that is a statement.
SPEAKER_00 (16:36):
Not a good one.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
No, no, no.
He resigned, and the stateissued an administrative
warning.
So this meant that his namewould be flagged if he applied
for a state medical license inthe future.
It was his first fall fromgrace, the first fracture in a
career that needed perfection tosurvive.
And Garcia didn't forget thatslight, and he didn't forget it
(16:59):
either.
He didn't forget it and hedidn't forgive it either.
I don't know if I read thatright, but that is what I meant
to say, folks.
Even though I'm like, you didthis to yourself.
But okie dokie.
He then pivoted to pathology.
(17:20):
He'd be a doctor's doctor, afield that reads disease in
tissues and cells, one stepremoved from living patients.
It was a quieter specialty, moreanalytical, and less social.
And for someone like Garcia, itseemed like it should be a
refuge, right?
Sounds perfect for him.
In 2000, he landed in Omaha,Nebraska, joining the Creighton
(17:44):
University Medical Center BergenMercy Pathology Residency
Program.
To understand what happenednext, you have to understand
Creighton, a respected Jesuitmedical center with a tight-knit
faculty and a program thatprided itself on rigor and
professionalism.
It wasn't a place where excuseswere tolerated or where
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residents could coast through.
Garcia stood out early amongsthis class, but not in the way
residency directors hope for.
Notes from attendings describedhim as difficult, erratic,
unprepared, defensive,uncorrected, and increasingly
(18:26):
agitated by criticism.
unknown (18:29):
Dr.
SPEAKER_03 (18:30):
Chandra Butra judged his attitude to be passive
aggressive, stating that, quote,Dr.
Garcia showed marked lack ofinitiative and interest.
He took no responsibility forhis cases.
His knowledge of basic histo isvery poor.
End quote.
She also made formal complaintsagainst Garcia to Dr.
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William Hunter, who oversaw thepathology residency program.
He was nope, I gotta start thatover.
It was the first time she'd eversuggest a pathology resident be
suspended.
He was the worst resident in my40 years of teaching.
Not good.
Right from the beginning, he wasadversarial.
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He did not like me.
He was rude in class, and he wasquite disruptive in my class,
she said.
Pathology is a field thatdemands precision.
And when Garcia's evaluationsreflected inconsistency and he
was confronted about it, hebristled.
His first flirtation withactually getting fired happened
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after an autopsy.
Garcia flipped a body face downand left it that way overnight.
The problem with this is thatpositioning a body in such a
manner can cause damage to theface.
So it violated both Creighton'spolicies and honestly, just
common sense.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Disrespectful as well.
SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
Not to mention like we learned about from our true
crime friends.
Morbid Lividity can affect manythings, right?
And it can, I mean you'resupposed to be doing an autopsy.
Is that the final say?
Because you're gonna ruin theautopsy if it needs to be
continued or someone else needsto have a look for a second
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opinion.
SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
So needless to say, the funeral home director was
not happy about the wholesituation and would go on to
file formal complaints withCreighton's Hospital.
Faculty members like Dr.
William Hunter, who againoversaw the program, and Dr.
Roger Brumbach, chair of thepathology department, were names
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that would later becometouchstones of tragedy.
They were among those whoassessed him.
Both men were respected figuresin the field, stern but fair.
They were the sort of physicianswho believed the patient's
safety and academic integritycame before a resident's pride,
which absolutely.
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Amen.
But Garcia didn't see it thatway.
In his mind, he was beingcorrected.
He was being attacked.
When Dr.
Brumbach heard about whathappened, he wanted to fire
Garcia right away.
But Creighton's lawyers wouldinform the pathology department
that Garcia would have to go onprobation to follow the
university's employmentpractices.
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By April 2013, Garcia.
By April 2013, Garcia knew thathe was on review status, but
another incident in the autopsyroom was the straw that broke
the back.
Garcia called the wife of Dr.
Hashish, a chief resident whohad the day off to take a
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high-stakes exam.
And he had told her that he wasmissing an important mandatory
meeting in the autopsy room.
So this prank call causedconsiderable stress, obviously,
to Dr.
Hashish, excuse me.
And his family, making them, ofcourse, worry, but most
specifically for him to worryduring the final day of this
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examination.
Tensions began to grow and theevaluations mounted.
Meetings with supervisors becamecombative, and in time he was
dismissed from the program.
Panelists recommending thedismissal wrote, It represents
warranted, it representsunwarranted and unacceptable
harassment, and as such,represents unethical conduct
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that damages and undermines thepathology program.
This would be a career-derailingblow for any trainee, but
especially devastating forsomeone as rigidly ambitious as
Garcia.
He never recoveredprofessionally and he never
forgot personally.
Still, Garcia would go on toanother residency program in
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Illinois after Dr.
Hunter wrote him a brief letterof recommendation, which
honestly, how gracious that heeven did that.
Mm-hmm.
I felt that in a differentenvironment he might recover,
Hunter said, explaining why hetried to give Garcia another
residency spot.
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The actions he did at Creightonwere unforgivable, but maybe in
a different environment he mightdo okay.
Garcia moved on to theUniversity of Illinois, Chicago,
where he would work for only twoyears before leaving due to
documented or cited poor health,migraine headaches, and
depression.
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Creighton University MedicalCenter sat quiet against the
Omaha skyline, a mix of beige,brick, and fluorescent-lit
hallways where medical careerswere built block by block and
sometimes broken just asquickly.
For most residents, it was aproving ground, demanding but
fair, as I mentioned before, thekind of place where the weight
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of experienced faculty guidedyou through the maze of
pathology.
But for Anthony Garcia, it wassomething else entirely.
To understand how a residencydispute could evolve into a
quadruple homicide, that'sright.
Spoiler alerts.
Oh no! A quadruple homicide iscoming.
You have to know the people whowalked its corridors, the
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mentors, the critics, thecolleagues who had no idea they
were stepping into thecrosshairs of one man's growing
resentment.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Oh my gosh.
I have chosen.
SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
Brumbach was respected for his precision, his
intensity, and his sense ofduty.
He wasn't a man who playedfavorites.
Residents often found himintimidating, the kind of
attending whose silence during acase review could say more than
a 10-minute lecture.
He wasn't unkind, he simplyexpected excellence.
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Dr.
William, or Bill Hunter, youngerthan Brumbach, but cut from a
similar cloth.
He was serious, meticulous, anddemanding.
Hunter cared deeply aboutshaping residence into competent
physicians.
To Garcia, though, herepresented something dark, a
gatekeeper standing between himand the career he felt he
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deserved.
Dr.
Chandra Butra and Dr.
Heinrich's, and then, of course,others, they were all the
faculty members whose signaturesappeared on Garcia's
evaluations, the ones whodocumented concerns about his
performance.
Most barely even interacted withhim outside of the department.
And none of them imagined theirnames would later appear in a
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murder case file.
The evaluations.
Pathology residencies live anddie by the white sheets of
evaluation forms and theircheckboxes, handwritten
comments, assessments ofjudgment, professionalism, and
reliability.
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These forms aren't meant topunish, rather, they're meant to
guide.
But again, Garcia did not eversee this as guidance.
He saw them as a betrayal.
He said that they were racistagainst him.
The reports from Creighton, nowpart of court records, paint a
consistent picture.
He was consistently noted tohave poor preparation,
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argumentative response tofeedback, angry or defensive
reactions, difficulty workingwith staff, and concerns about
judgment and clinical tasks.
It wasn't just one report thatsank him.
It was a pattern of reports.
I mean a pile of reports.
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:40):
I mean, where's the redeeming quality here?
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
I mean, yeah, I haven't seen one.
SPEAKER_00 (26:45):
Yeah, okay.
Maybe you have difficultyworking with staff, but you've
like excellent judgment, oryou're great with staff, but not
excellent judgment.
There's he just sucks ateverything.
SPEAKER_03 (26:56):
There's no compliment sandwich, it's just
all a dirty, shitty, soggysandwich.
SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
That's right.
A poop sandwich.
SPEAKER_03 (27:04):
Yeah, blah.
When program directors met withhim to discuss the issues, lit
witnesses would later recall himas cold, tense, and visibly
resentful.
He believed that he was beingtargeted, that others were
undermining him.
The Creighton faculty werejeopardizing his future.
And how dare they?
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If paranoia had been a low homein his mind before, it was now
growing louder.
And in the end, Creightondismissed him from the pathology
program, as I already shared.
There was no sudden explosion,no dramatic confrontation, just
paperwork, a meeting, and afinal decision that Anthony
Garcia would not continue atCreighton.
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But as I also mentioned, Dr.
Hunter wrote him that letter ofrecommendation for another
program, which I'm like.
Let's be thankful here, sir.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:00):
For some residents, dismissal is a detour.
It can be painful and evenembarrassing, but something that
they will survive.
They regroup, recalibrate, andtry again elsewhere.
And this is what Garciainitially did when he was
dismissed from the familymedicine program in New York,
but his dismissal from pathologywould prove to be different.
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He didn't regroup.
He brooded and stewed.
He held on to the names of thosehe blamed like they were etched
into steel.
Dr.
Roger Brumbeck, Dr.
William Hunter.
The two faculty members hebelieved contributed most to his
downfall.
The decision cost him more thanhis pride.
It derailed him.
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Medicine wasn't just a job toGarcia, it was validation.
It was a scaffolding, holding upa man who otherwise seemed
hollow, and without it, hedrifted.
As I mentioned, Dr.
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Hunter's letter ofrecommendation secured him a
spot in Illinois and Chicago,but that he had left after only
two years.
And then he moved back to hisparents' home in Walnut,
California.
Walnut.
He applied for licenses invarious states, but the you know
the New York disciplinary noticefollowed him.
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Which, when I read that, I waslike, thank goodness, because
that's something usually in ourcases that's like this didn't
follow you, but it should have.
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
Yeah, the states are totally unaware of what's
handing their way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
So luckily for him, it followed.
Not only did the New Yorkdisciplinary notice follow him,
Creighton's evaluations alsofollowed him.
Every credentialing committeesaw the same record, a resident
who couldn't complete programsand left trails of concern.
Garcia was then hired by Dr.
Anita Kablinger, then directorof the psychology residency
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program at LSU Health SciencesCenter in Louisiana in July of
2007.
He remained there only until2008 when the State Board of
Medical Examiners informed himthat he might not qualify for a
medical license due to the factthat he had not reported his
failure to finish the pathologyprogram at Creighton or UIC.
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The board also notified Dr.
Kablinger, who had growingconcerns, by the way, about his
performance from early on.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
It didn't take him long.
SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
He was terminated.
Yeah, exactly.
He was terminated from theprogram on February 27th, 2008.
So July to February.
Which I'm like, you have to putthat on every application
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anywhere.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
Right?
So you lied.
I mean, that's you lied.
But also Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:02):
Yeah.
So, you know, Dr.
Kablinger had met with him andkind of gave him the benefit of
the doubt of a conversation oflike, hey, anything you want to
unveil here?
And basically, he told her thatthe his former bosses at
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Creighton were racist againsthim.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a controversial question because
are there whatever your answeris, it doesn't matter that he's
no he's in the wrong here, butis he black?
SPEAKER_03 (31:38):
He's Hispanic.
SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Okay.
But like when you do this kindof stuff and then hold the race
card, you're actually hurtingyour Latino cohorts because you
are right?
I mean, you're behaving in thisway and then saying, Well, I'm
Latino, you're racist.
Well, it's like, well, no, butthey don't behave like like it's
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like, well, you don't expectthat anything.
You're letting the Latinocommunity down, you know.
Yes.
Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_03 (32:14):
So Dr.
Koblinger had had also calledDr.
Hunter at Creighton and waslike, hey, want to shed some
light on what's happening.
And Dr.
Hunter verified all of thereasons why he was termed, and
she was like, listen, I'm seeingthat too.
So anyway, he was an adiosgoodbye from LSU.
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His life became a rotation ofshort-term medical jobs,
attempts at re-entering trainingagain and again, and periods of
unemployment.
He began drinking more heavily,and multiple partners and
acquaintances later describedhim as unpredictable, quick to
anger, and withdrawn.
He grew increasingly frustratedwatching other people's lives
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continue forward effortlessly,or so it seemed to him.
Back in Omaha, the pathologydepartment certainly moved on
without him.
Dr.
Hunter advanced in his career,and Dr.
Brumbach remained an influentialpresence in neuropathology.
None of them gave Anthony Garciaa second thought.
SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
Why wouldn't they?
SPEAKER_03 (33:16):
Yep.
Exactly.
Revenge isn't always a suddenspark, though.
Sometimes it's a slow, cruelburn and bitterness that had
drug on for years until ithardens into something
poisonous.
And by the late 2000s, Garciawasn't a doctor in the
traditional sense.
He was a man who had tastedfailure repeatedly and blamed
everyone else for every drop ofit.
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He continued to fixate on thosenames of the men who once handed
him performance reviews.
SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
Yikes.
But before we get more intothat, it's time for a doo-doo do
chart note.
SPEAKER_03 (33:54):
That was different.
I felt a little jazzy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (34:00):
Put a little stank on it.
SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
Hey.
SPEAKER_03 (34:04):
This is gonna be a surprise for all of us because I
did it so long ago I don't evenremember what my chart note is.
SPEAKER_02 (34:11):
Chart note surprise.
Welcome to the chart notesegment where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
Okay, here we go.
Nestled in Cambridge,Massachusetts, the ADA.
Oh, yeah, I remember this.
Foresight.
Institute has long been a beaconof oral health research.
It's been a while since wetalked about oral health, guys.
Had to bring it back.
SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
O R A L for those of us who are in audiology.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
This is about the mouth, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (34:45):
This is about the mouth, not A-U-R-A.
It's O-R-A-L.
Beyond its reputation for dentalscience, a pioneering team
within its walls is rewritingthe story of what dental pulp
stem cells can do, not just forteeth, but for the body as a
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whole.
This group has identified aremarkable population of stem
cells tucked away at the verytip of the tooth root.
Unlike their more commoncounterparts in the pulp
chamber, these apicallylocalized dental pulp stem cells
have shown exceptional vitalityand regenerative potential.
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They're adept at forming newblood vessels, surviving harsh
conditions, and providing richmolecular signals that kickstart
tissue repair.
What makes Forsyth?
I can't say that.
Forsyth?
Yeah, no, you that's I feel likethat's a last name from where
I'm from.
Foresight.
No, but that's that's how yousay it.
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Well, perfect.
Their team's findings are sotransformative, and their vision
is beyond simply regrowingteeth.
These ALDPSCs, which I didn'tsay before, but Lance's a
shortened version, share manycharacteristics with stem cells
used in bone, nerve, andcartilage repair.
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Their unique origin of neuralcrest tissue, the embryonic
source of various bodystructures, gives them a
flexibility that few other adultstem cells can match.
In laboratory experiments, foursize researchers have seen these
cells differentiate not onlyinto dentin-producing
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odontoblast-like cells, but alsointo bone and neuro-like cells.
Moreover, the cocktail of growthfactors in extracellular
vesicles they secrete encouragesthe formation of new blood
vessels and calms inflammation.
Two pillars of successful tissueregeneration anywhere in the
body.
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The potential applications arevast.
If harnessed correctly, thesecould help to heal bone defects,
regenerate damaged nerves afterspinal injury, or support
recovery in degenerativetissues.
Nope.
Because these cells can beobtained with minimal
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invasiveness, because they comefrom extracted adult teeth or
baby teeth that are naturallyshed, they offer a practical and
ethically favorable alternativeto other stem cell sources.
SPEAKER_00 (37:23):
I knew there was a reason why I would save my kids
baby teeth.
People make fun of me.
SPEAKER_03 (37:28):
I know how long do we have?
SPEAKER_00 (37:31):
People have made fun of me.
Like, why have you got all theseteeth around?
You look, it's really morbid.
I'm like, no, they're my kids'teeth.
It's like part of their body.
I'm not gonna throw it away.
Well, now I have a now I have anexcuse.
SPEAKER_03 (37:42):
You're like, this is for stem cells, okay?
SPEAKER_00 (37:44):
But even weirder, I had to hide them like in my
underwear drawer and aroundbecause you know Well, you want
kids to believe in thetoothbrush, right?
SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
And then you forget they're not gonna go in mom's
underwear drawer.
SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
Right?
There's random little teeth allover the show.
Bless.
Okay.
So funny.
SPEAKER_03 (38:03):
So yeah, they this Forsyth Institute continues to
refine methods for deliveringthese cells to damaged dental
tissue.
They are also actively exploringhow the same principles might
translate to therapies forheart, nerve, and skeletal
injuries.
Their ongoing work on bioactivemolecules like resolvins have
demonstrated enhanced tissuehealing in animal models,
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hinting at futureself-re-treatments derived from
DPSC secretions.
Though clinical trials directlyled by this institute are still
in early stages, the momentum isclear.
This team stands at theforefront of a new era where the
humble tooth's stem cells arepoised not only to revive
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damaged teeth, but to becomeversatile agents of healing
across the body.
A shining example ofregenerative medicines promised,
realized.
SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
I love that.
Oh my gosh, that's so exciting.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (39:00):
And don't people always say oral health is the
mirror to like overall health?
Yeah, absolutely they do.
Look at these teeth, just outhere fixing things.
SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
I'm definitely pro-dentite.
I'm not anti-dentite.
We are pro-dentite.
Even though we talk about a lotof murders, we're not
anti-dentite.
We're pro-dentite.
Yay! Go to you.
Nice.
Okay.
Back to the store.
This is not not boo you, but boothis guy.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (39:31):
Boo.
Okay.
The murders at 5306 North 54thStreet, 2008.
Before the murders, the victimslived full textured lives.
Dr.
William Hunter was by then wellestablished in Omaha, respected
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in pathology, and balancing ademanding career with family
life.
He lived in Omaha's Dundeeneighborhood, the kind of place
where people still waved at eachother from their driveways,
where neighbors know who belongson their streets, and where
children ride their bikes alongsidewalks cracked only by time.
It was into this quiet,respectable world that a killer
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stepped on March 13th, 2008.
I hate this.
The home at 5306 North 54thStreet belonged to Dr.
William Hunter and his wifeClaire and their 11-year-old son
Thomas, known to everyone simplyas Tommy.
Tommy was known for hiskindness, a boy who loved video
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games, friends, and the normalcomforts of childhood.
They had a housekeeper namedShirley Sherman, who was the
kind of woman whose loyalty kepthouseholds running.
She was hardworking, warm, andloved deeply by her family.
None of them knew AnthonyGarcia.
None of them have had wrongedhim.
But in Garcia's mind, hurtingDr.
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Hunter meant striking back atthe institution that wounded
him.
SPEAKER_01 (41:04):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_03 (41:05):
Dr.
Hunter, after all, was the samephysician who had been a part of
the committee that fired Garcianearly seven years earlier.
It was he who had signed off onthe termination letter, a
document that would later becomea symbolic thread tying Garcia
to the victims.
On that Thursday afternoon,Afternoon, Dr.
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Hunter was working, as wasClaire.
Tommy was home from school, andShirley arrived a little after 1
p.m.
to clean, as she had done weeklyfor years.
Someone walked quietly into thehome in the middle of the
afternoon.
No forced entry, no chaoticbreak-in.
Whoever came in knew how to keepcalm.
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And what happened next wasbrutal.
Too brutal for a young boy or awoman whose only mistake was
being present that day.
The killer stabbed both of themto death.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Oh no!
SPEAKER_03 (41:57):
Yeah.
No valuable stolen, nothingvandalized.
A few hours later, Dr.
Hunter walked into his home tofind a nightmare that no parents
should ever have to endure.
Tommy and Shirley were bothdead, both brutally stabbed.
The scene was chaotic.
The crime looked personal andtargeted, but who could or would
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want to target such rage at an11-year-old boy and a
housekeeper?
SPEAKER_00 (42:25):
Sweet baby Angel and the poor housekeeper.
Oh my gosh, this is terrible.
SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
Investigators were struck by the brutality and the
ferocity of the attack.
Each victim had multiple stabwounds.
There was no sexual assault, norobbery, no ransacking.
Nothing was taken except thesense of safety in the
neighborhood.
Witnesses described a heavy setolive-skinned male in the
vicinity, correlating him to asilver Honda CRV with an
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out-of-state license plate.
The only unusual detailinvestigators could identify was
the connection to Creighton.
Thomas was the son of apathology professor, but even
that seemed like a stretch.
Academic disputes don't end inslaughter, after all.
For years the police would shiftthrough theories.
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Was this retaliation?
Something random?
Personal hit?
A case of mistaken identity?
The answers remained elusive,and as the weeks turned to
months, the case turned cold.
And yet, the murders of TommyHunter and Shirley Sherman were
not isolated.
They were just the beginningbecause someone somewhere
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watched from afar as the citygrieved and detectives stalled.
SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
It's like a horror movie.
I can't believe this.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (43:47):
There were five quiet years between 2008 and
2013.
Garcia lived a transient,unstable life.
He continued to drink heavilyand he failed to keep jobs.
He applied repeatedly formedical positions and was
rejected again and again andagain.
Each rejection affirmed thenarrative that he had built.
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They ruined me, they destroyedmy career, and they owe me.
By now, his resentment wasn'tjust towards Hunter.
It had widened, deepened, andcrystallized.
If Dr.
Hunter represented the beginningof his downfall, Dr.
Roger Brumbeck represented itspermanence.
The senior faculty member whoseevaluations had carried weight,
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whose name appeared incorrespondence about Garcia's
problems, and whose influencehad closed doors.
In 2013, Garcia went back toOmaha.
He was seeking the darkest kindof closure.
On May 14th, 2013, the nextnightmare unfolded, this time
nearly 20 miles north of Omaha,in a small, quiet community.
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In a beautiful two-story home,lived Dr.
Rombach and his wife Mary.
Like Dr.
Hunter, he too had been involvedin Anthony Garcia's disciplinary
actions years earlier, as weknow.
And that afternoon, a pianomover and his colleague, so
piano mover Jason Peterson andcrew arrived at the home where
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they expected no one to be.
They were just moving a piano.
And one of the movers noticed ahandgun magazine lying in the
home's open doorway, and theyimmediately called the police.
Peterson later commented that hesaw Brumbeck's body, but he
didn't notice any blood.
Detectives were dispatched tothe Brumbach home where they
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found that Roger had multiplegunshot wounds and a stab wound
to the neck.
And Mary had been stabbed todeath, apparently with knives
taken from their own kitchen.
SPEAKER_00 (45:51):
Oh man.
SPEAKER_03 (45:54):
Detectives immediately thought the murders
were similar to the HunterSherman murders from years
earlier.
Their suspicion of a connectionbetween the crimes was
reinforced when police learnedthat Dr.
Brumbeck had been a colleague ofDr.
Hunter, and the name AnthonyGarcia surfaced again.
Not as an immediate suspect, butas a possibility.
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Most crucially, investigatorsdiscovered something chilling.
All four victims were directlyconnected to the individuals
responsible for his firing atCreighton.
Dr.
Hunter fired Garcia, and Dr.
Brumbach was part of thedisciplinary decisions.
Tommy Hunter, who was Dr.
Hunter's son, his death couldinflict pain onto Dr.
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Hunter, and Shirley Sherman, theHunter's housekeeper, murdered
simply because she was present.
This was the motive thatinvestigators had been missing
for years.
Additionally, they found he hadpurchased a firearm that would
fit the magazine found at theBrumbach's home.
Also, Garcia's credit card hadbeen used twice in the area near
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the Brumbach's house, whichwe're glad that criminals are
idiots.
But he's just like cash homie.
Hello.
Phone records would also latershow that a search for the
Brumbax address occurred only afew minutes after the alarm
sounded at the Butros home.
I found conflicting research onlike if he went to Butros home
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before the Brumbax or one beforethe other.
But regardless, the big pictureis phone records placed him
there.
He searched the address and theidiot used his credit card.
In July 2013, detectives finallyobtained enough evidence to
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issue a warrant for Garcia'sarrest, coordinating with
Indiana law enforcement and theFBI to track him.
They believed he was responsiblefor all four murders.
And what a great belief thatwas.
The evidence included hisvehicle, the Silver Honda CRV,
which became central to theinvestigation, especially after
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surveillance footage from theBrumbach's neighbors showed a
similar car near the crimescene.
So they had the magazine thatmatched the gun he had recently
purchased, debit card and cellphone tracking near the
residence of the victims.
On July 15th, Louisiana StatePatrol spotted Garcia's SUV
weaving dangerously on thehighway.
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Inside the car, they found a45-caliber handgun, 50 bullets,
knife packaging, alcohol bottlesscattered across the seats, an
LSU lab coat, stethoscope,employment rejection letters,
printed maps, and GPS data fromNebraska.
SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Did he live in his car?
Like, what was the need to bringall this stuff everywhere you
go?
What a dumbass.
Floating around with his beerbottles.
What a dumbass.
All right.
SPEAKER_03 (49:50):
He's like, I'm not getting rid of my lab coat or my
stuff is coming.
SPEAKER_00 (49:53):
And all my rejection letters, so everyone understands
the motive along with the murderweapon.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (49:59):
Yeah.
D-A.
SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
Oh boy.
SPEAKER_03 (50:01):
Raven, that's your dad.
Your shadow's freaking her out.
If you just heard Raven growlsbecause Adam was creeping in the
hallway.
Okay.
I gotta find where I was again.
I gotta move my leg.
SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
Okay.
So they pulled him over.
He had GPS data from Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03 (50:23):
Garcia appeared intoxicated and disoriented, and
he was immediately charged withDUI.
When officers checked hisbackground, they discovered the
act of homicide event.
They were like, dude.
Let's hold on to you, buddy.
Holy shit, we got a big fishhere, guys.
Not going on for dinner tonight,sweetheart.
No, although it appears you maynot have a place to go for that
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anyway.
But yes, so the arrest wasquiet, anticlimatic, really, for
what this case deserved, but itmarked the end of more than a
decade of spiraling fury.
The state of Illinois suspendedhis medical license within days
of the arrest.
SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
Is he gonna murder the whole state of Illinois for
taking away?
Well, like that, he wouldn't beable to get a medical license.
No, but my point is he getspissed off at anyone who, you
know, gives him a couple ofthings.
Oh, sure, sure, sure.
I see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_03 (51:18):
Yeah, anyway.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This guy has a problem with uhanger guys.
SPEAKER_00 (51:26):
Yeah, thank.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (51:28):
Yeah, a little bit.
So his trial began in October2016 in Omaha, and it was a
highly watched and deeplyemotional case that brought
victims' families back into thepainful spotlight.
Prosecutors showed evidence fromGarcia's home, including a trash
bag in the kitchen sink, inwhich his termination letter
from Creighton and handwrittennotes with a to-do list that
(51:50):
included such items as put tapeon your fingers and buy common
shoes was found.
They also found that when Garciawas in Louisiana, he had owned a
silver Honda CRV with a licenseplate fitting the description of
the car seen around the hunterhome at the time of the first
(52:11):
killings.
In addition, his saliva samplematched DNA left behind by the
intruder who had tried to breakinto the Butre house days after
the Brumbax were killed.
Prosecutors laid out a narrativebuilt on motive, opportunity,
and a pattern of revenge.
They chronicled Garcia'sfailures in medical training,
(52:31):
his explosive resentment towardsCreighton's pathology
department, and the years hespent simmering in perceived
injustices.
Witnesses testified aboutGarcia's erratic behavior, his
violent temper, and his fixationon past slights.
Among these witnesses was awoman named Cecilia Hoffman, who
was a former stripper inIndiana.
(52:53):
She testified that four yearsafter the Dundee murders, when
Garcia had tried to pursue herromantically, she attempted to
blow him off by saying that sheonly dated bad boys.
According to her statements,Garcia responded by saying he
had, quote, killed a young boyand an old woman, end quote.
SPEAKER_00 (53:12):
Oh, not sexy, Garcia.
That's not what she meant.
Oh boy.
SPEAKER_03 (53:18):
Not quite it, sir.
SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
You missed the mark there, dude.
SPEAKER_03 (53:22):
Red legs be a flying.
She wants to talk to you lessnow, actually.
SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (53:29):
Garcia sat in court largely silent, often slumped
and occasionally smirking.
And at times he seemeddisengaged, and at other times
he appeared to teeter on theedge of emotional instability.
The prosecution's theory wassimple and devastating.
Anthony Garcia was a failedphysician who blamed Creighton
for ruining his career.
(53:49):
He murdered the people hebelieved were responsible and
the children or bystanders whohappened to be in the way.
After weeks of testimony, thejury deliberated less than two
days, which I'm like, two days,but whatever.
On October 26, 2016, Garcia wasconvicted on nine counts.
Four counts of first-degreemurder, four counts of use of a
(54:11):
deadly weapon to commit afelony, and one count of felony
burglary.
Sentencing was initially delayedas the state of Nebraska was set
to vote on whether to repeal orretain the death penalty.
So in November, the state votedto retain the death penalty.
And in September, these monthsaren't making sense.
(54:34):
But basically, it was delayed.
They voted to retain the deathpenalty, and then later a
three-judge panel sentencedGarcia to death.
Garcia's time in prison has beenmarked by mental and physical
deterioration.
He's refused food at times,became incoherent during
evaluations, and was repeatedlyhospitalized for issues related
(54:56):
to self-neglect and allegedpsychiatric decline.
His defense attorneys argued hewas incompetent.
The court consistently ruledotherwise.
And as it stands, Garcia remainson death row at Tech Tecumseh.
SPEAKER_00 (55:14):
Say who?
Tecumseh State CorrectionalInstitution in Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03 (55:18):
Tecumseh State Correctional Institution in
Nebraska.
In November 2022, the publicdefender's office began attempts
to appeal his sentencing, and byMarch 2023, he had filed a
motion for a new trial callinghis previous attorneys a
nightmare.
In this appeal, Garcia noted 130alleged errors made during his
(55:40):
trial that involved 15 topics,including motions to suppress
DNA and digital evidence,ineffective counsel and
constitutionality of the deathpenalty.
Luckily, his appeal for a newtrial was rejected.
The court ruled that, quote, wecannot determine on direct
appeal whether counsel wasineffective in certain regards.
(56:03):
We otherwise affirm Garcia'sconvictions and sentences, end
quote.
Garcia has never expressedremort remorse or guilt, and he
has never spoken publicly aboutthe victims.
But through evidence, thetestimonies, and the devastation
left behind, the story ofAnthony Garcia is clear.
(56:24):
He's a man whose professionalfailure metastasized into a
murderous rage, claiminginnocent lives and leaving
permanent scars across Omaha'smedical community.
SPEAKER_00 (56:35):
Oh my goodness, what a case.
I did not see this coming.
Good job.
Thank you.
I have a few questions, but likeway in the beginning, it was
like, well, even before myquestion about his career and
the beginning of his career,it's like, was he an only, I
can't remember now, was he anonly child?
(56:57):
Like, how did he develop one ofthree?
So how did he develop thisnarcissistic behavior where he
can't take any criticism and hehas to always be right and he's
thwarting authority?
Like it's so strange.
SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
I don't know, because also he was the oldest
of three.
So I feel like if if any ofthose personality traits ever do
are like fostered or something,it's usually like a younger
child who feels like they can'tlive up to I'm wondering if his
younger siblings were like wayyounger.
SPEAKER_00 (57:31):
So at a period of time when he was an only child
where you think you're entitledto everything and you're the
bees and knees, and how dareanyone and and what now you're
not yeah, and what's his so hismom was a nurse, his dad was a
postal worker.
Like where's his where is heputting these?
Obviously, I appreciatephysicians and medical workers
(57:55):
of any kind, but like where ishe putting this on this pedestal
where if he doesn't reach that,he's he's less than?
It's almost like it was anattack on his personality if he
wasn't able to achieve this.
So what set him up to be towhere that was I don't think
unacceptable to be anythingelse?
Anything right, yeah.
(58:16):
Yeah.
And also, how bad did thisinitial infraction that we
didn't and I know you don't havethe answer, but this initial
infraction that banned him frommedicine in the first place, and
thank God it did because hedidn't ha actually touch
patients, but he must have donesomething terrible.
SPEAKER_03 (58:35):
Had to have been, and like your my thought is
like, well, geez, he didn't wantto go after them, and thank god
he didn't, right?
Like, we don't want anyone elseto have him injured, but like
yeah, that was kind of the crux,right?
SPEAKER_00 (58:48):
So that was like the impetus for his his fury, like
somehow he was his own worstenemy, and of course, you know,
with narcissists, he they're thevictims, everyone else is the
problem, even though they're thecommon denominator.
But normally you can kind ofpredict how this was set up and
why they're placing suchself-worth on this one
(59:11):
profession.
So there's that question, I'mdying to know, but then also I
put messing with hashish puremean.
So I think that was that was aphysician.
Yeah, I mean, how dare he?
And also references.
Oh my gosh, it's such a it'ssuch a conundrum because if you
(59:35):
have a student who is somebodythat you wouldn't want to hire,
how do you how do you open theirfuture in a place that might be
a better fit for them by givingthem a reference that doesn't
deny them opportunity?
It's such a hard thing.
And if you actually just goahead and give them like a
(59:56):
positive review, that's areflection on you and your own
reputation.
So there's a lot on the line.
So the fact that Dr.
Hunter was a victim in all thisis like you ungrateful piece of
shit.
I mean, way that's anunderstatement because obviously
he didn't deserve to die, butlike obviously this guy had
(01:00:17):
absolutely no clue what peoplewere doing for him in spite of
his personality defect.
I mean, he obviously and howmuch of a personality defect do
you need to have to not be ableto work with dead people or
tissue samples?
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:33):
Tissues.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:36):
I don't know.
I can't this is this is anincredible story, and I
appreciate you bringing it up.
Shocking.
Well done.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:46):
Thank you.
Before we move on to our medicalmishap, we have to talk about
these leggings that I can't trybecause your girl's super
pregnant.
So, someone, please, please,God, tell me how they are.
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SPEAKER_00 (01:02:30):
I mean, I need to push up bra for my butt.
I just need to get in there andorder this.
I think I'm gonna do that andreport back to our listeners.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:41):
Please do.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02:41):
Also, your girl's not an athlete, but I move
around a bit.
I expect my leggings to movewith me.
So yeah, I think I'm acandidate.
So we'll we'll stay tuned.
And I and the the discount is isgenerous.
But meanwhile, shall we hear aquick medical mishap before we
(01:03:02):
sign up?
Let us do it.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:03):
Let us do it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03:05):
This message is entitled, Hi Jenna and Amanda.
I'm a pharmacist working in abusy urban hospital, and this
story has haunted me since theday it happened.
One afternoon, during a hecticshift with multiple medication
orders flooding in, a nurse camerushing to me with a question
(01:03:25):
about a patient's IVantibiotics.
The label on the medication bagdidn't seem right.
The antibiotic that was orderedwas vancomyosin, but the label
said vancophylline, which is acompletely different drug that's
used for respiratory issues andnot bacterial infections.
I immediately pulled amedication from the floor and
(01:03:46):
double-checked the orders andpharmacy records.
Turns out, due to a mix-up inthe compounding room, two
medications with similar namesand similar packaging had been
swapped.
Good catch.
That nurse caught it just intime before it was administered
to the patient with potentiallydeadly consequences.
(01:04:09):
If that medication had gone intothe patient's ID line, the
consequences would have beensevere, including respiratory
distress and cardiaccomplications.
We trace the error back,quarantined the batch, and
implemented stricter labelingprotocols.
Well done.
And this is an instance wherenobody needs to be blamed.
(01:04:29):
You just figure out what thesystem error is and you fix it.
It's nobody's fault.
Yes.
It's like, okay, well, thiswhatever we're doing, it looks
too similar.
Let's change it.
Nobody needs to get thrown onthe bus about this.
I love, I love that thissituation, at least as far as we
know, isn't mentioning anypunitive action.
(01:04:49):
The writer goes on to say, thatday reminded me how fragile the
chain of safety really is, andhow easily one small error could
cascade into a life-threateningevent.
I still think about that patientand the dedicated nurse who
caught the mistake before it wastoo late.
Yours truly, a hospitalpharmacist who sees the fine
(01:05:10):
line between safety andcatastrophe.
Bless your heart.
Bless your heart pharmacist andbless your heart nurses and
everybody else who stands up topoint out safety issues because
that's the only way we getbetter.
That's the only way we savelives.
Well done.
SPEAKER_03 (01:05:30):
All right.
What can we expect to hear nextweek from you, Jenna?
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:35):
Well, you know, I feel like we've heard a lot
about murderous doctors,dentists, nefarious nurses.
But I'm gonna flip the coin abit and we're gonna talk about
some potentially disastrouspatients.
Yeah, baby.
We're talking some dirtypatients, some dastardly
(01:05:59):
patients.
I am I don't know if it'll bepatients or a patient, but I
have a handful, and it's reallyscary that I have to pick from
them as we're providers thathave to deal with patients and
yikes.
But yeah, let's we're gonna goon a journey.
So I hope everyone stays tunedand buckles up for next week.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:22):
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:24):
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We may have to get on Vine, thenew recreation of Vine.
Yes, they're bringing it back,girly.
It's coming.
Vine's coming back.
Yes.
And they're not going to allowAI and stuff.
So that'll be cool.
(01:07:28):
So anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:31):
I never know anything that's going on.
Just let me know what I shouldthink about.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07:35):
But honestly, guys, I've had some listeners approach
me and be like, well, we'reafraid to make comments,
whatever.
Oh my gosh, if we could get afew comments, it would show that
people are actually listeningbecause we know you are.
We hear from you, we see yourdownloads.
So leave us a uh at least acomment of some kind or at least
rate and review uh wherever youlisten.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:57):
And can they make like a username when they do it?
So it doesn't have to be theirname so here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:08:04):
No, it doesn't tell us.
It doesn't tell us.
No, you just put whatever youwant, but it's Apple, it's
Spotify.
Our primary users are Apple andSpotify, but we have cast box
and all kinds of places that youcan leave a review wherever you
listen.
Um it just shows that we're outthere.
I mean, it doesn't have to be.
I mean, if it was you know, fiveout of five would be amazing,
(01:08:26):
but you know, let's berealistic.
Maybe maybe one wiffle theparrot squeaking in the
background.
It's a 4.5.
I get that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:08:32):
But you know, just just we get it.
We're not gonna hold a grudgelike Garcia, okay?
SPEAKER_00 (01:08:38):
Let's generate some traffic so we can show that
we're out there and other peoplecan enjoy and we can keep going
and keep motivated to do thisbecause we love it and we love
our listeners.
So until you leave us a review,until you listen.
Until then.
Stay safe and stay suspicious.
(01:09:03):
Bye.
Just stay suspended.
You know what I was doing?
I was poking, I was still going.
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