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Welcome to Dog Parkology, a show thatlooks at the concept of dog parks
through our relationship with dogs,with each other, and with the land.
In our prologue, we explorethe creation of the first
official dog park in the world.
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The Ohlone Dog Park was created toaddress residents desires to let their
dogs off leash and have a space to play.
Since then, over a thousandofficially designated dog parks,
and counting, have blossomed.
I
think the intention of Dog Parks was tocreate places that could invite dog people
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to come and take their dogs off leash.
Every concept has tostart somewhere, right?
And then if it doesn'tevolve, it becomes outdated.
So how do we give dogs access tofreedom to off leash experiences?
This is Tina Patel, who runs the Dog LandoEnrichment Center in Orlando, Florida.
I first started Dog Lando in 1999.
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We have six acres and ourwhole goal is to integrate dogs
into a naturalistic lifestyle.
For Tina, the question of how we mightreconsider dog parks ties to our larger
relationship with dogs in general.
Dog I never understood livingwith animals in captivity.
I was born and raised inKenya, in East Africa.
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And so my perception of living and livingamongst other forms of animals involved
allowing them to live with wilderness.
Our treatment towards them reflects howwe perceive them, how we think about them.
This really facilitates a very differentkind of relationship between human
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and dog, especially in this Westernway of living with dogs where their
rights to freedom are really revoked.
Our laws prohibit us from taking our dogseverywhere we go, taking them off leash.
We live a very compromised life.
lifestyle with dogs, and wehave to result to dog parks.
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Dogs don't need fenced in areas asmuch as people need fenced in areas.
Offer them any outdoor space.
I think that the idea of a dog parkgives people a sense of relief.
At least their dogs are contained.
But your dogs are contained at home.
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Your dogs are containedwhen you're walking them.
Around the neighborhood on a leash.
So why do we go to a dogpark to contain them?
Isn't a dog park to satiatea different kind of need?
Through DogLando, Tina hasstudied specialized parks.
She believes having many forms ofenrichment could provide great benefits.
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I think our spaces need to be designedwith function, meaning with purpose.
There can be one park that is justbotanical, and the whole park would
be of plants and herbs and things thatdogs can eat, ingest, smell, to give
dogs an opportunity to access this.
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Things that they should haveaccess to in their ecology, so
that they can function as a whole.
There are so many opportunitieswe have now, understanding
from a design perspective, howwe should create dog parks.
Tina also feels that we, as humans,need to be more involved at dog parks.
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Many people can fall victim tobringing their canines to a dog
park and thinking the job is done.
But that's missing the opportunityfor so much more growth and
enjoyment on both sides.
I see in kid playgrounds allthe time, the parent will come
with a child and say go play.
But a child wants a playmate.
A child wants somebody to play with him orher on that swing and on this and on that.
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And the parent, they're notengaging, they're not interacting.
And I think the same about dog parks.
They notice somebody they know, andthey just form little huddles and they
start talking or sit down on a bench.
They're not engaging withtheir dogs in this park.
My thought is, if we can'tenhance their intelligence,
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then what do we have them for?
We're not protectives.
I know you think we are.
I'm more afraid of my dog nothaving a life worth living.
Dogs don't go to a dogpark just to exercise.
They're going there and they are learning.
They're learning about people.
They're learning about dogs.
They're absorbing so much information.
If we want our dogs to have a moremeaningful experience than just
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getting their zoomies out in aplot of dirt, it requires a more
studied and concentrated effort.
That brings us to thetheme of this episode.
Guided play is a learningconcept and technique.
The general idea is to allow thefreedom to play with innate curiosity.
While the supervisor is on handto help gently steer the ship and
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assist in the learning process.
Although guided play is a concepttypically applied to teaching children,
there are parallels to how we can lookat our personal time spent with our dogs.
Guided play also brings in anobjective, such as teaching awareness
and developing intellectual, social,emotional, and physical skills.
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And since play is naturally free andjoyous, there are positive emotional
connections in the learning process.
It's important to remember thatall dogs are not going to learn
or act the same, just like withdifferences among kids in a classroom.
Every year, somebody will call me andthe guardian will say, you need to
come out and meet with me and my dog.
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Cause my dog hates going to the dog park.
This is Camille Ward, a certified animalbehaviorist who works with dogs and humans
in her community of Ann Arbor, Michigan.
And then I'll questionthem a little bit more.
Is your dog aggressive to other dogs?
Is your dog able to be around other dogs?
Are you able to walk your dog?
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How does your dog respondwhen he meets another dog?
And a lot of times people willsay, All of that's fine, he just
doesn't do well at the dog park.
He gets really stressed and hepicks fights, and he should enjoy
going to the dog park, right?
And I have to tell people, No,there's nothing wrong with your dog.
A big step in choosing the right space foryour dog is really looking at it through
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the dog's perspective and personality.
I think we misunderstand dogs a lot.
We label them a stubborn or theydon't get something right away.
They're not very smart.
All these human termsthat we use sometimes.
to describe the dog when we're frustrated.
Your dog is somebody who may notlike going to a big loud party or
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a karaoke bar, or they do betterone on one or with maybe a few
close dog friends, but that's okay.
There's nothing wrong with your dog.
That's his or her preference.
Camille herself has had differentexperiences with her canine companions.
Over the years, I've had many dogs.
Marty, my first dog as an adult, theYellow Lab, he loved the dog park.
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Everyone was a friend he hadn't metyet, and he was the quintessential
dog that should go to a dog park.
But I see a lot of dogs at dog parkswho are just managing the environment.
They're not necessarilyloving it, but they're coping.
And so I always try to impart toowners, if your dog's not having fun,
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then maybe you shouldn't be going.
Maybe you should be doing otheractivities that you like with your dog.
Maybe your dog prefers to go and doagility or go on long hikes or do
sniff or scent classes or nose work.
So really looking at yourdog as an individual.
rather than who youthink your dog should be.
Through observing these interactions, wecan start to better understand our dog's
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personalities, strengths, and weaknesses.
In order to truly find the solution that'sbest for your dog, you have to remember
to reserve expectations or judgmentson their behavior and preferences.
Let them speak to you withtheir actions and reactions.
What we thought at first wasthat Edie had puppy fear.
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This is Meredith May, the authorof Loving Edie, How a Dog Afraid of
Everything Taught Me to be Brave.
I wanted to be able tohave my fun dog life back.
I didn't sign up for this.
What's the point of a dog that can'tmove through the world with you?
Meredith's past experience with GoldenRetrievers had led her to believe that
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all dogs of that breed would be wellbehaved and the life of the party.
However, when she got her GoldenRetriever, Edie, that was not the case.
Edie was too scared to interactwith other dogs, even hiding in
the corner at a group play date.
It got to a point where Edie couldn'teven walk on a city sidewalk, she'd
get scared and have panic attacks, andher fight or flight was off the charts.
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And I also thought, I've trainedtwo wonderful golden retrievers,
what am I doing wrong with this one?
Like, I'd somehow lost my mojo.
Meredith and her wife, Jen,tried to figure out what to do.
They sought out a specialist who satthem down and gave them a reality check.
Saying they had to be more consciousand considerate of how they planned
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their daily life with this dog.
It was through that process thatMeredith started to reverse engineer her
thinking around who Edie actually is.
She realized she needed to puther breed expectations aside
and put Edie's needs first.
Meredith and Jen decided thecity was too much stimulation for
Edie, so they moved to a mountainarea with a rural, winding road.
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Once there, with more space and calmness,Edie was able to come alive and thrive.
We live 1, 800 feet up on amountain, but the beautiful thing
is she's really come alive here.
She can do a lot of things nowthat she couldn't do before,
just given the solitude and thetime to think about it and relax.
And so have we.
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I am so glad my dog isteaching me what slow means.
It's something I havestruggled with my whole life.
No longer feel the need to pace.
Push this dog to be the dog that Ifelt I was somehow cheated out of.
Geez, Edie for a reason.
We need to view every dog astheir own individual personality.
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And when we do our bondscan grow even closer.
Another factor that can amplifyand assist in that process is the
design and setup of the dog park.
You're going to, to embrace theseopportunities for play or learning.
for bonding.
My whole idea with dog parks was let'screate a dog park for dogs and people.
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Not, let's put up a fenceand call it a dog park.
This is landscape architect LeslieLau, founder of Bear Grass Landscape
Architecture, who designed the fiveacre Hugh Rogers Wag Park in Montana.
I grew up in Canada.
From day one, I wasoutdoors, hiking, fishing.
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Backpacking.
And I had friends with a Germanshepherd and the German shepherd.
I went everywhere with that dog.
We went fly fishing.
I think it just cemented that I love dots.
And that was really the start of it.
Since then I've had 25 years ofhaving wire haired pointy Griffons.
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So, it really got me involvedin agility, in obedience, and
because I have hunting dogs, theyare in the outdoors all the time.
And they love water, they loveponds, they like all surfaces.
So I really wanted to design apark that would engage dogs, get
them interested in exploring andlearning and trying new things.
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I think when you do that with a park,then you have a lot less conflicts.
If you have a large enough spaceand you give them options to explore
different stuff, then play becomesmuch more prevalent, exploring
becomes much more prevalent.
Not having anything for dogs to do, justa piece of lawn and calling it a dog park,
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I think it's really a huge disservice.
When a dog park is set up withactivities or ways for the dogs to
play together, the humans can evenjoin in and be part of the experience.
We're trying to create a bond between theperson and the animal, instead of just
being static, just standing there talkingwhile the dogs play with another dog.
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Yeah, it's a part of it, butit's a minimal part of it.
I start thinking about whatnatural amenities are there.
Is there a great area for a walking trail?
Is there water?
Do we want water?
Can we bring in water?
Do I need shade structures?
How does the communitywant to utilize the park?
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Leslie shared someexamples of her approach.
I came to Whitefish, Montanaand started to work on Whitefish
Animal Group's Wag Dog Park.
I provide two beaches.
So that both small dogs or puppiescould use one quiet beach off to
the end and then an area that I setup huge rocks as an amphitheater.
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So, one, it keeps the gravel fromsliding into the pond and two, it
just became a play area for peopleto sit on, for dogs to sit on.
That's just one element.
So another element is a wholecreek area and sometimes it has
water, it's got trees, it's shady.
Okay.
Then there's an obstacle areathat allows that interaction.
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And so when we see that cooperationbetween the owner and the dog
to be empathetic, to take careof that animal, to treat that
animal with respect, it's awesome.
We want that to be a healthy bond.
Really what drives me is just seeinghappy dogs, people with their dogs.
And that to me is the biggest reward.
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These types of parks can facilitateopportunities for all kinds of activities.
From a simple game offetch to agility exercises.
Our dogs spend a lot of time insideand they can always use more to satiate
their appetite for play and engagement.
It's our responsibility as they'rehumans to give them that opportunity.
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Through using the tool and approachof guided play, we can provide a
more complete and tailored sense ofenrichment for our furry best friends.
Thank you for listening tothis episode of dog parkology.
I'm Jenna Blum, your narrator.
This show is was created by, as itshould be productions, the creators
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