Ever wondered if positive reinforcement can truly transform your high-prey drive dog? Join us as we challenge the age-old myth that positive training methods fall short in tough situations. Pet behavior experts Will Bangura and Jordan Marsteller open up about their journey from compulsion-based training to embracing science-backed positive reinforcement techniques. Discover how even the most challenging dogs can thrive without aversives, backed by success stories from the Fetchmasters School of Dog Training and the Positive Gun Dog Trainer Certification Program.
The recent 4th of July festivities left many pet owners grappling with stressed, anxious dogs. In this episode, we explore practical strategies to help your furry friends cope with loud noises and other common stressors. Will shares personal anecdotes about conditioning his own dogs to handle fireworks with ease, while Jordan emphasizes the critical role of consistent training and access to free resources. We also touch on the alarming rise in shelter intakes post-holiday and why community support is more crucial than ever.
Struggling with a dog that jumps on guests? We've got you covered. Learn how to teach your dog to greet visitors calmly using positive reinforcement techniques. From the effective "place" command to desensitizing triggers, we provide a step-by-step guide to eliminate this frustrating behavior. Plus, we preview an upcoming discussion on the ethical considerations of using CBD in dog training and tackle the issue of door bolting. Tune in for expert advice and compassionate solutions for a well-behaved, happy dog.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Thanks for watching.
Raised by wolves with canineDNA in his blood.
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Ladies and gentlemen, pleasewelcome your host and favorite
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Speaker 3 (01:17):
Good Saturday morning dog lovers.
I'm Will Bangura and I'm JordanMarsteller, and you're watching
another episode of Dog TrainingToday here on Facebook Live.
Just a little bit about myselfif you're brand new.
I am a clinical animalbehaviorist as well as a
certified canine behaviorconsultant, a certified
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I'm also fear-free, certified,and on Dog Training Today we
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answer those for you.
Hey, how was everybody's 4th ofJuly?
Did everybody have a good 4th?
Hopefully it was safe.
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How did your pets do with the?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
fire.
Yeah, you know, and you knowwhat I'm.
You know what my question is.
Will about the fourth of julywhat's how many?
Digits were lost.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
This oh yeah, you know, it always happens,
somebody blows their handabsolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And you know what my, my thoughts and prayers go out
to those of you that are lessthan 10 this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Less than 10 digits.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, yeah, they do go out to you, but I want to
know those statistics.
I really do, I really do.
The Arizona Humane Societyalready released this year's
numbers about an increase forthe 4th of July intakes.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, you know it's always a big well.
It's the busiest day for anyshelters for rescue
organizations.
It's an absolute mess.
Yeah, absolutely Rescueorganizations.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's an absolute mess .
So they said that it's too soonto tell for this year, but they
should know in the next coupleof days.
But they're expecting at leasta 60% increase, which is about
on par with previous years.
That's crazy, 60% increase forone day of the year.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, that's absolutely crazy 60% increase
for one day of the year.
Yeah, that's absolutely crazy.
So today, stay with us, becausea little bit later in the show
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Okay, the biggest lie in dogtraining.
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You know what's insane, thoughWill talking about 4th of July.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So I spent 4th of July.
Me and my fiance went over toWill's house for the 4th of July
.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It was a fantastic time.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We had some burgers and steaks and great food, and
Hana made those brownies thatwere to die for.
But what was crazy was when thefirst fireworks went off.
So we're just sitting there,we're just sitting at the table.
I think that maybe we had justfinished eating our steaks.
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Yeah, we had just finishedeating our steaks and the
fireworks started going off.
And both of your dogs, boo andPapa Sully, they just came
running just out of nowhere, ranright up to Will.
Guys, it was insane.
I wasn't even registering whatwas happening, but I noticed it.
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And Will goes, he goes.
What are you guys?
Why are you guys coming up tome?
And then it clicked and then itclicked.
That it's because he's beendoing the conditioning that
we've been teaching you guys.
It's because he's been doingthe conditioning that we've been
teaching you guys.
Let me tell you it's 100% inaction.
I witnessed it.
Obviously, I've seen other dogsdo this before, but I'm telling
you guys, it works.
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Every single time that thosefireworks went off, instead of
these dogs who in the past,would be scared and they would
get startled and maybe they'd gohide or they'd tremble
uncontrollably, instead theyheard the boom from the
fireworks and they were like, oh, let me get to dad, or let me
get to mom, or let me get tothis person, let me find someone
(07:33):
that's gonna give me treats,yeah, and so you know, the funny
thing was I forgot they camerunning up to me and like what
are you guys doing?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, forgot that the previous two years, every
time there was a sound offireworks I would mark and
reward my dogs.
And so now they've got asecondary reward marker and
that's the sound of fireworks.
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Fireworks, because that meansgood things are going to happen.
And, just like you said, jordan, um, my dogs really had it
pretty severe, I mean trembling,hiding, running, trying to get
away.
Um, it wasn't good.
And so I had to do the work.
I had to do the counterconditioning, um, I had to do
the desensitization.
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And yeah, it was funny becausehe came running up to me and I'm
like well, what are you guysjumping on me for?
What is it that you need?
What is it that you want?
And it was Hana.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It was Hana, she remembered.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
She goes you got to give them a reward and I forgot.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's right, we did counter conditioning
and desensitization.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it does it works.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Anybody that says it doesn't work, it works.
So here's the deal.
If you have a dog thatstruggles with fireworks,
chances are the next time it'sgoing to happen is new year's.
Okay, you've got a lot of timeright now, between now and new
years, to be able to do behaviormodification, to do counter
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conditioning, desensitization tofireworks.
Okay, um, between now and then.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So, let me tell you guys, six months.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Six months until new years, and six months is the
average time that we would spendwith our clients fixing very
severe problems yeah, it wouldhave to be very severe for six
months, because if here's thething with my dogs and the um,
um, well, here's exactly theprocess I went through for two
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years was a medicate my dogsbecause they're scared.
They don't need to suffer, okay.
So that took the edge off.
That allowed me, during thefireworks, to be able to do the
work.
You know, if your dog is soscared that they're constantly
running away, trembling, hiding,you can't do the work.
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First of all, they're overthreshold.
They're over threshold.
But what I want everybody to do, if you've got a dog that's
afraid of fireworks, okay,you've got six months to get
ready for New Year's.
You've got a year to get readyfor the next 4th of July.
Go to my website atdogbehavioristcom, other side.
Yep, there we go.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Really, Because on my screen on my screen.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's over there.
Okay, I'm going to use thatmirroring feature but, go to
dogbehavioristcom Apparentlyit's over there and and go to
the menu.
Click on articles.
The menu, click on articles.
There's about 94 articles upthere.
Find the one on 4th of Julyfireworks, but also scroll down,
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get the big guide on counterconditioning and desensitization
.
Start working on that now.
I guarantee, if you followthose guidelines, it's going to
be a game changer, an absolutegame changer for you.
Yeah, absolutely so.
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One of the things that I wantedto do today, as I mentioned and
as I wrote in kind of thedescription for today's podcast,
I wanted to talk about thebiggest lie in dog training.
Okay, ah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And the biggest lie is that anybody's better than us
, right.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Hey, there's, I'm going to look.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
There's plenty of trainers that are better than us
there are.
There, absolutely are, Iguarantee it there, absolutely
are.
There are, I guarantee it thereabsolutely are.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
There are, but here's .
You want to talk about a lie,here you go.
Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
There is a radical lie going around the internet on
dog training.
I am saying the use ofaversives, the use of
corrections, the use ofinformation in training a dog is
necessary.
Anyone who tells you anythingelse is lying to you.
Science has no place in dogtraining whoa, what was that?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
science has no place in dog training.
What?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
yeah, science has made me the dog trainer and
behavior specialist that I amtoday.
So without, without science, Idon't know where I'd be today.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So what teaching?
There's nothing behind teachingand educating and how animals
think they learn, they processinformation as far as science.
But here's the lie, and that'sfrom Robert Cabral, and Robert
was doing a workshop at ashelter.
Okay, and he's talking about.
You have to use corrections.
Let's just listen to a littlebit of this and then we'll talk
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about it, okay.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
All right, all right.
So in understanding the makeupof the dog, which is the real,
the predator, the wolf, we haveto look at why dogs do certain
things and why they don't.
So if we look at the aspect ofpositive training or a
reward-based system, as I said,as long as the dog's desire for
the object, the positive object,the reward object, is greater
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than its natural predatorialinstinct to chase, kill and eat,
the dog will opt for yourreward.
So if you put the dog on a sitand you tell the dog come and
you have a treat, the dog'sdesire for that treat will
outweigh his natural instinct tobe lazy and not come.
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So he'll come and he'll get thetreat.
Now if you tell the dog to stayand when he stays he gets the
treat He'll stay because hewants that treat.
But if a chicken or a rabbitruns by and that triggers his
natural predatory instinct tosight, scent, hunt, kill and eat
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that rabbit, that will outweighhis desire to get the little
treat from your hand.
And that's where, oftentimes,positive training will fall
apart.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
All right, I'm just going to go ahead and pause that
right there.
Yeah, okay.
This is the biggest lie in dogtraining that positive
reinforcement doesn't work andthey love to use the example of
hey, your dog is an animal, yeah, and it's got prey drive, yeah,
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and when, like you said, if arabbit or something like that,
the squirrel comes by, yourdog's not going to care about
your little treat.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I have two things to say about that, will.
Firstly, I want to say forthose of you watching or
listening at home right now thatmaybe have not been following
us for years, that this is yourfirst time really learning about
us, or maybe you've only beenaround for the last couple of
weeks.
Will and I areex-compulsion-based trainers
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Exactly we both are.
We used to hate on purelypositive-based training we
genuinely did.
If you watched our old episodeson this podcast, then you know
that that is true.
However, science, education andlearning and experience
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experience doing it has shown usthat we were wrong and I'm
willing to admit to that.
We were wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And one of the most important things is continuing
education Absolutely.
And so it's one thing.
It's one thing if there arepositive, only force free
trainers that have never usednegative reinforcement, never
used punishment, never used anaversive, and for them to be
saying, hey, you don't need that, that you can get the results
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you're looking for just usingpositive reinforcement training.
They're like, yeah, you don'tknow what you're talking about,
but that's not the case here.
It's not the case here becausethere's no way.
There's no way.
We've been there, we've done itand we have client after client
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after client that we have nothad to use negative
reinforcement.
We have not had to usepunishment Now.
I want to show everybodysomething.
Okay, so here is FetchmastersSchool of Dog Training, okay,
and Fetchmasters, okay, is atraining program, all right, and
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they've got let's go down,let's go down.
Where is it?
I missed it?
Right here, um, right here,positive gun dog trainer
certification program.
Positive gun dog, yeah, so.
So let me ask you a question,all right.
So, robert there, yeah, he'ssaying that, listen, if prey
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goes by, yeah, you're, you'regoing to lose your dog, you, you
, you have to use correctionsbecause any other animal that's
going to run by, any distractionthat's out there, especially if
it's, you know, a squirrel, arabbit, how about birds?
Okay, yeah, that you're goingto lose control of your dog,
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that you have to use corrections.
That positive reinforcementtraining, force-free training,
can't get the job done.
Well, how in the world, how inthe world, is it that they're
able to do that?
And these dogs are off leash?
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Yeah, Okay, they're off leashand they're around all kinds of
other animals, there's all kindsof distractions that, um, that
are out there.
But I want to show another onehere.
Here we go Positive gun dogs.
Now, this is a private group,right here on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
There's 2,700 members of the positive gun dog group.
So to say that you have to useaversives, you have to use
corrections, because the bigdistractions around prey
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positive reinforcement fails?
No, it doesn't.
Yeah, it's happening all thetime.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
All the time.
See what it's about Will.
Here's the thing, and we usedto say it all the time that
positive reinforcement will getyou there.
Aversives get you there just alittle bit quicker.
And the thing is, when you havea positively trained dog that
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is being distracted by a bird, alizard, another animal, any
distraction, it's not becauseyour training was wrong, it's
because you haven't done enoughor proper training.
Yet.
You know Robert Cabral.
In that video he goes on to saythat a positive reinforcer
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trainer is going to have theirdog sitting there and they get
up and they walk away and I'mjust going to ignore that
behavior and then my dog comesback and sits down and then I
give my dog a treat.
Firstly, that's not the waythat I train.
I'm pretty certain that's notthe way that you train Will.
That's not the way that themajority of good positive
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trainers train.
Because what happens is, mrCabral and for anybody that
thinks that positivereinforcement just doesn't work
is I do use the other quadrantsof operant conditioning even
when I'm not using an aversive.
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When I'm training my dog, I putthem onto a constant reward
schedule and for those of you athome that don't know what that
means.
It means every single time thatmy dog does the right behavior,
it gets rewarded.
It is constant.
It is every single time,without fail.
Now my dog I told my dog sitstay.
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I give my dog a treat.
A bunny runs by, my dog gets upand goes after the bunny.
Then my dog comes back and sitsdown.
What Mr Cabral is saying isthat I'm now going to give my
dog a treat because they satback down.
Wrong, I'm not going to,because that's not the task that
my dog failed.
My dog did not fail at sitting,he already sat.
He failed at staying underdistraction.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
That's what he failed at.
I'm going to say this I'm goingto say the dog didn't fail at
all.
I'm gonna say that the trainerfailed the dog, that the trainer
set the dog up for failure,okay, and and here's, here's the
bottom line okay, I have nodoubt, if you've got a dog with
high prey drive, yeah, andyou're brand you just start
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training your dog and you've notdone any distraction training
and now all of a sudden, you'reasking your dog to sit and stay
and a rabbit goes by, you'regoing to lose control of your
dog.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I get it here's.
Counter conditioning anddesensitization is not just for
changing a dog's underlyingemotional state, for fears,
anxiety, phobias, aggression andreactivity.
Yes, that is primarily what weuse counter conditioning and
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desensitization for.
But when it comes todistractions, when it comes to
things like if you've got a dogthat wants to chase later on in
the video I'm not going to playit, but Robert will talk about
dogs that you'll be walking andhere comes a kid on a bike, here
comes a kid on a scooter andthe dog wants to chase after
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them Well, that's prey drive too.
Chase after them?
Well, that's prey drive too.
But the bottom line is, if I'mnew to training my dog, I don't,
and I want my dog to sit andstay and focus on me.
When a rabbit goes by or when akid goes by on a bike or a
scooter, I don't start theprocess by putting my dog in
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that situation where, hey, thatscooter or that bike is, you
know, five feet from us.
It's just zipping right next tous, or we're right next to a
rabbit or a squirrel orsomething like that, all right.
So then how do you do it?
First of all, just like we talkabout, with using counter
conditioning and desensitizationfor anxiety, fears, phobias,
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aggression, reactivity.
You have to start at a distancewhere you have control of your
dog.
You start at a distance andyou're proactively creating
training situations.
So what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to have my dog and I'm
going to be going throughwhatever exercises, training
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exercises I want to do.
I'm going to have a kid on abike.
They're going to be at adistance from my dog, where my
dog can see the bike.
But my dog is not losing itsfocus.
It is still responding to thecues and commands I'm giving.
My dog can stay focused with me.
It's not wanting to chase afterthe bike.
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And I've got this kid goingback and forth on the bike at a
distance, slowly, and theneventually I start speeding up
that bike, making it faster andfaster and little by little,
gradually, systematically, as Icontinue to train, day in and
day out, I'm going to have thatkid on a bike get closer and
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closer and closer and closer andcloser.
At any point I lose control ofmy dog.
That does not mean my dog failednumber one.
It does not mean thatforce-free, positive,
reinforcement-only trainingfails.
It means that I'm failing thedog.
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I am working too fast, too soon.
You don't go from zero to 100.
You don't go from A to Z.
There is a sequence and stepsthat you have to take.
So here's the bottom line.
When it comes to those trainers,again, it's the biggest lie in
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dog training that you have to.
You have to use aversives.
All right, listen, eitherthey're lying or they and this
is not an.
Or it's an and or they don'thave the skills you know Robert
talks about.
Hey, I love positivereinforcement.
Well, he's a very heavycompulsion trainer.
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All right, and the bottom lineis this is that you do not need
to.
When you do things the rightway, if you understand, if
you've got a high level of skillas a trainer, you can do this
with force-free methods, withpositive reinforcement.
But you have to be a much moreskilled trainer and you have to
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be better educated.
All right, we had to go throughthe learning process.
Yeah, all right, we wentthrough the conversion process.
You know, it happened for mealmost by mistake, because in
mentoring you, I had mentionedhey, listen, the way that the
dog training industry is going,I do believe, down the road, you
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are going to have to becertified, and because the
certification council forprofessional dog trainers is
really the only legitimatecertifying body for dog trainers
and the only independentcertifying body.
We went that direction and I'mthe kind of person if I'm going
to make you study and take acertification exam, I'm going to
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do it too.
I'm not going to ask you to dosomething that I did.
So I went through that processtoo.
Well, part of the process ofgetting certified is there are
ethical guidelines that you haveto follow, there are ways of
training you have to follow, andthey're all about
evidence-based, science-basedtraining and force-free training
, not using aversives.
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And so you sign an ethicsstatement saying, hey, I'm not
going to use punishment, I'm notgoing to use a prong collar,
I'm not going to use anelectronic collar.
And throughout that process ofcertification, we're learning
more about positivereinforcement and evidence-based
, science-based training,force-free training, training
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and how that is applied, notjust to teaching a dog to sit,
to lay down, to come when called.
But how do you deal with bigdistractions?
How do you deal with a dogthat's aggressive?
How do you deal with a dog thatis reactive?
All right, but the biggest lieout there, the biggest lie out
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there, is that you absolutelyhave to use aversives.
Now here's another thing I wantto share Positive herding.
Ok, positive herding to toadvanced dog training.
So advanced dog training forherding, again, dogs off leash
around all kinds of distractionsaround other animals.
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Yet they're doing it all daylong.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And let me tell you, herding dogs are, in my opinion,
in my in my opinion you may youmay have a different opinion
herding dogs, cattle dogs, justdogs used for herding animals,
are some of the best traineddogs I have ever seen in my life
(28:28):
, by far.
By like I mean, they are insane, I I, when I look at these,
these good, well-trained herdingdogs, these border border
collies, these Australianshepherds that can herd a like
three dogs, herd a flock of, orwhatever the word is of, a
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thousand sheep, and they do itperfectly.
And to think that those dogswere trained with positive
reinforcement only, that hurtsme, that hurts me as a previous
compulsory trainer you know?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
do you know where there's a lot of dogs being used
for herding?
It's in europe.
The countryside, absolutely.
And almost all countries in theeuropean union.
Shock collars and prong collarshave been outlawed, gone,
they're banned.
Yeah, they have to useforce-free training.
So how is it?
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If they don't have those tools,how are they getting the
results?
So it must work.
We know it works.
But those folks that say, hey,there's no way you got to use um
aversives, yeah, um.
No, you don't now.
No, let's go ahead and continueto share.
(29:52):
And here we go, let's getanother one, because it's time
to put this to rest.
All right, canine schutzentraining a manual for IPO,
training through positivereinforcement Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What Training.
I would never imagine aSchutzen dog to be positively
reinforced, yeah they call itIPO now.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But here's the thing Everybody says, oh no,
protection, sports man, you'vegot to use corrections, you've
got to use.
You got to use corrections, yougot to use aversives.
You know there are trainersthat are titling dogs in IPO
Mondo ring, french ring usingnothing but positive
reinforcement.
So again, the biggest lie Indog training, saying that, hey,
(30:40):
you've got to use aversives whenyou don't have to use aversives
.
Let's just keep going here asI'm going through this.
Ok, let's take this to anotherstep.
Here we go, training policedogs and military dogs using
positive methods.
Using positive methods.
These police officers.
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These police officers are proofthat reward based training is
good for more than just basicobedience and fun tricks.
So the Seattle PoliceDepartment, seattle's canine
unit they train with positivereinforcement.
So again, another example.
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And we can just continue to goon and on and on.
It doesn't end.
Let's go to one more.
All right, and where is it?
Where are you?
Here we go, here's the next one.
Work with a skilled positivereinforcement service dog
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trainer.
This company does service dogtraining, positive reinforcement
.
Now I want everybody to thinkabout this.
I want everybody to think aboutthis.
I'm thinking, and I'm nottalking about the fake service
dogs, I'm talking about the realservice dogs, talking about the
real service dog.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, that grinds my gears.
We can talk about that atdifferent times there are.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But here's the thing Most people don't train their
own service dogs.
Right, most people they get agrant, they get money, they do a
GoFundMe account, somethinglike that, because it costs a
lot of money, especially if youhave a very complex set of tasks
that the service dog needs todo, like, um, for people that
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are blind.
I mean that's a really tough um.
There's a lot of training thatgoes in there.
Yeah, I don't know of anyschools throughout this country
and even in the united statesthat train service dogs that use
aversives.
Yeah, all of them train withpositive reinforcement.
How is it that service dogs cango everywhere?
(32:47):
And I'm again, I'm talkingabout real service dogs, because
there's a lot of fake ones outand you know the fake ones
because they're not well behaved.
Yeah, no real service dog goesinto public and they're not well
and on, on a, on some randomperson pulling yeah to play with
another dog no, no service dog.
That that's a fake service dog.
(33:08):
Yeah, all right people, justthey don't want to pay and they
want to take their dog in therestaurant.
They don't want to pay to havetheir dog, they want to be able
to fly with their dog.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
yeah, I love when I fly with harley and after the
flight the flight attendantscome up to me and they go you
have the most behaved servicedog we have ever seen and every
time, without fail, I look atthem and I say that's because
she's a real service dog.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, but you know, bottom line herding dogs, police
canine dogs, dogs that aredoing protection, sports service
dog, gun dogs, hunting dogs, ok, all of those, all of those
dogs being trained to a highlevel of training, off leash,
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reliable, with insanedistractions around them.
They don't have to use a shockcollar, they don't have to use a
prong collar, they're gettingthe results.
So anybody that says you knowwhat Robert says, let's see what
does he say?
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I am saying the use of a versus the use of
corrections.
The use of information intraining a dog is necessary.
Anyone who tells you anythingelse is lying to you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
That's the lie.
What he's saying is the lie.
That is the biggest lie in dogtraining, absolutely.
Now I want you also tounderstand that there are
trainers, people, lay peoplethat love to compete with their
dogs in dog shows.
And I'm not talking about thebeauty pageant okay, where
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they're just prancing around thering and best in show.
I'm talking about working dogtrials.
I'm talking about akc obediencematches, whether it be in
obedience, whether, um, we'retalking utility okay, whether
we're talking scent work allright, all.
But today, anybody thatcompetes with their dogs and akc
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obedience matches where they'reputting titles on their dogs.
There's lots of distractions.
I mean really advanced levelsof training.
They're using positivereinforcement, they're not using
aversives.
How can they get their dogstrained to that level, title
their dogs around and and havethem reliable around all those
distractions and not useaversives?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, especially if aversives are necessary.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Hey, susan Garrett.
Susan Garrett, okay, one of thebest agility trainers in the
world.
Matter of fact, she's a worldchampion in agility.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
She trains all of her dogs force-free, total positive
reinforcement.
Now, one of the arguments, oneof the arguments that you know,
ivan Belobanov always gives thisargument.
He goes it's naturalCorrections are natural our
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biology that we'repre-programmed to want to move
away from things that arepainful and move towards things
that are pleasurable.
And he uses the example hey,you touch a hot stove, you
quickly recoil from that andhopefully you probably will
learn from that.
It hurts, you probably won't dothat again.
And so he uses that example.
As you know, the fact that it'spart of our biology, and
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because it's part of our biologythat we have to train that way.
The other argument, too, thatthey give they love to give this
one is that when you take alook at dogs, they correct each
other.
They correct each other withtheir mouth, right.
And mom dog does that too.
All right, here's the thing.
(36:44):
Here's the thing.
We have human intelligence.
We have human intelligence.
We're a lot smarter than dogs.
All right, we don't have to useaversives, we don't have to use
punishment like a dog, becausewe have the ability to use our
brain and just like, just like,for example, you know, I could
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take a rock and I could startbanging nails with a rock and
try to build things, or I coulduse my brain and I could forge
some new tools.
Right, it's like you know.
For example, I could choose towalk or run from here to New
York, or I could get in a car,or I could get in a plane or
(37:28):
something.
So there's more efficient, moreeffective ways.
Ok, less painful ways, yeah.
So no, animal likes pain.
No, that doesn't mean that it'ssome and it is part of our
nature.
But that doesn't mean that as aresult of that, that's proof
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positive.
Oh, you've got to train thisway because somehow that's the
way the universe is designed.
All right, they'll say you know?
Hey, roses have thorns.
And do you know what propagandais?
Absolutely.
Let me give you the bestdefinition of propaganda.
Propaganda is telling a story,telling something that has some
(38:15):
truth to it, and then you attacha falsehood to that truth.
That's how propaganda works,yeah.
And so when Robert or othertrainers say, yeah, positive
reinforcement is great, you know, it builds the relationship
with your dog, it's wonderful,you can begin to teach the dog
certain behaviors with that, butthen when you start getting
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into distracting environments,it's going to fall short.
You've got to use aversives.
Well, that's propaganda.
Yeah, there's a part of itthat's true, and then there's
the rest of it that's a lie whenit comes to this particular
issue, and so this is thebiggest lie in dog training.
(39:00):
Yeah, okay, absolutely.
Um, I've got some emailquestions that we can go through
yeah absolutely.
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Let me go to some emailquestions here.
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This one is from Tina, and Tinais in Florence, kentucky, and
Tina says how do I get my dog tostop jumping?
It is so embarrassing.
Whenever I have guests over, mydog is crazy, hyper, jumps all
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over them and I'm very worriedbecause if I have my grandmother
over, she's 92 years old andI'm really afraid that she's
going to get hurt Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
You want to take that , I'll take that one.
Jumping behavior is one of myfavorite things to fix, and the
reason why will is because it'seasy.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It's easy, all right, tina you just have to punish a
dog, right.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's right.
All you're going to do isyou're just going to take that
lead.
No, but, but that's old school,right.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
How many times listen compulsion based trainers?
They always say hey, if yourdog's jumping, knee him in the
chest.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Exactly, exactly.
That is that, and that's what Iwas taught that for for the
longest time.
For the longest time, that'swhat I did, and when people
asked me my dog is jumping, howdo I fix this, I would say knee
him in the chest.
Just take that knee, and don'tmake it light either.
You want to knee them in thechest, make it uncomfortable.
That's not how we do it, though, folks.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Explain how it's done using force-free methods.
Positive reinforcement only.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So the first thing that we're going to do is we
need to teach our dog anincompatible behavior, without
any distractions first.
That's going to be the step one.
Now, in a perfect world, theway that I like to do it is I
teach my dog place.
Okay, what place is?
(42:37):
Is it is a designated spotnormally an elevated cot,
something like that where I'mteaching my dog to get on this
spot and stay there, and I'mgoing to teach my dog to do that
under distraction, with lightdistraction, heavy distraction
and no distractions.
Once I have a dog that is, youknow, doing really good with
place, there's something elseI'm going to be doing
concurrently at the same time,and that is what I like to call
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my 10-minute rule.
Okay, the 10-minute rule isvery, very simple when you come
home, when your children comehome, when your husband or wife
comes home, when your neighborscome in the door, when your
friends come over, wheneversomebody walks through that
front door, for 10 minutesstraight, you ignore your dog.
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You pretend that they do notexist.
You're not greeting them,you're not petting them, you're
not giving them a treat.
The only exception to thispolicy is I've been gone for
five hours.
I need to take my dog outsideto go to the bathroom.
That's the only exception,because I don't have a doggy
door.
But other than that, youcompletely ignore them for 10
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minutes, nothing at all, and Ido mean no interaction.
If you do this every singletime that your dog, that you
come home and give it just twoweeks, two weeks of every time
somebody comes through that door, they get zero interaction
You're going to start.
What you're doing here isyou're no longer reinforcing the
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idea in your dog's head thatsomebody coming through the door
equals fun time, equalsexcitement, it equals love, it
equals pets, it equals treats,it equals all these good things.
Instead, the dog is going huh.
When people come through thedoor, nothing really happens.
So that's not really importantto me anymore.
There's really no reason forthat.
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Now I've got my dog on place,I've taught my dog the 10-minute
rule and now I'm ready to startintroducing the door itself.
The first thing I got to do isI got to figure out what is
triggering my dog.
Does my dog trigger when theperson knocks?
Does my dog trigger when theyring the doorbell?
Is my dog triggering?
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They don't care when theknocking happens.
They start triggering when thedoor opens.
Maybe they don't even careabout that.
Maybe what they care about isthe moment the person makes it
in the door.
But you got to figure that outRight.
Once we know where my dog isstarting to trigger, that's
where I have to startdesensitizing.
So let's just say that I have adog that triggers as soon as
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the knock occurs.
That's where I'm going to start, put my dog on place and then
I'm going to start knock, knock,knock, knock, knock.
Very lightly, very lightknocking, and I'm going to feed
my dog simultaneously high valuetreats, feed, feed, feed, feed,
feed, feed, feed.
And I'm only going to do this alittle bit because we aren't
talking about a dog that isfearful.
We're not talking about a dogthat is aggressive.
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I'm just creating anassociation.
So my dog hears the knock andgoes Ooh, I'm going to get some
food.
That's what I want.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
And the dog is staying on place.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Exactly, and they're staying on place, so it's
getting reinforced for thatadditionally, exactly.
Precisely Now.
Once I've got this associationof I'm on place, someone knocks
on the door.
I'm getting food in my mouth.
Now I'm going to start teachingmy dog the desired task.
Okay, and that is, we're goingto stay on my dog the desired
task okay, and that is, we'regoing to stay on place as long
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as somebody's coming through thefront door.
So now I have somebody knock,maybe they jiggle the door a
little bit, maybe they open thedoor a little bit.
My dog stays on place.
I mark and reward, okay.
Then let's say, the dog gets offof place.
What am I going to do?
I'm not going to correct my dog, I'm just going to have that
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person immediately stop knocking, immediately close the door,
immediately step back outside,whatever it is, and then I'm
going to reset my dog.
Mind you, they do not get atreat for getting back on place
because they got off.
They got off, they broke place.
Now that my dog is back onplace, I'm going to do it again.
The person knocks oh, they getoff a place.
(46:51):
Well, nope, we're going toreset, do it again.
Person knocks, they get off aplace.
Okay, you know what?
This isn't working.
My dog has failed three timesnow.
I'm going to turn down mydistraction.
So instead of a I don't know ifyou can hear this like a loud
knock.
I'm going to do a very, verylight knock Very very light and
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hopefully, now that I've turneddown the distraction, my dog
remains on place.
I reward them and we use thisvery slow process until I get
someone in the door.
Now what people are thinking athome is well, jordan, I just
want my dog to stop jumping.
I don't want my dog to stay onplace while this is occurring.
I don't want to worry aboutteaching my dog place.
(47:42):
That's fine.
What we have done now is we'vetaught our dog that someone
coming through the front door isnot an exciting thing.
Focusing on mom and dad stayingon place is a fun and exciting
thing.
So now we can remove place fromthe equation.
Okay, now I have somebody comethrough the front door, my dog
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already has an understanding ofstaying on place, being
contained and not running overto jump.
So now I've got my dog on leash, I let someone come through the
door.
And what am I going to do?
I got to teach them aconflicting behavior,
incompatible behavior.
Sit, yes, give my dog a treat.
As soon as somebody walksthrough the door.
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Person walks back out.
I release my dog, let him runaround.
Person comes back through thedoor.
Sit I reward my dog.
I do it again Sit, I reward mydog Sit.
I reward my dog Over and overand over and over On leash.
The reason why the dog is onleash is so that they never get
to actually physically put theirpaws and jump up on that person
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.
We don't want to allow them torepeat the behavior.
We don't want to allow them tocontinue to reinforce this fun
behavior of jumping.
Now I've had a point.
Come this point, my dog, someonecomes through the front door
and there's probably a goodchance that your dog is going to
run up to you and sit and lookfor a treat.
There's probably a good chancethat's going to happen.
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If that occurs, you better payyour dog, reward them lots of
love, fun explosion, give themall the treats you know, and
you're just slowly turning upthis distraction of somebody
coming through the door, goingaway, coming through the door,
going away.
In addition to that 10-minuterule, and if you do those three
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things, which is 10-minute rule,teach your dog place with
distractions and then teach anincompatible behavior at the
front door, you will see resultsvery, very, very quickly on the
jumping behavior.
I hope that answers yourquestion, tina.
Was there anything that youwanted to add?
Will, or did I kind of knock iton the head there.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
You know you did good there.
The only thing that you knowsome of my clients what I will
have them do as well is use thedoor knock or the doorbell as a
secondary cue for place.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, perfect, and I can actually explain that, if
you'd like Will.
So it's super simple.
It's really simple.
What I do is I'll have my dogon leash.
This is super important, folks.
Why don't we train our dogs onleash?
I don't know.
Start training your dogs onleash.
Just put a leash on them.
It makes things so much easier.
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And then you can extinguish theleash, get rid of it later on
down the road.
Now my dog's running around onleash and then I have somebody
knock, knock, knock or ring thedoorbell and then I go place,
place, place or sit, sit, sit,whatever the command is, and
then I reward my dog and then Irelease him Knock, sit, whatever
the command is and then Ireward my dog and then I release
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him Knock, knock, knock, sit orplace, reward, knock, knock,
knock, sit or place and reward.
And I do this over and over andover and over again.
And then what's going to happenis it's going to go knock,
knock, knock and my dog is goingto boop sit Because they know
what's coming next.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
They know what's coming next.
They know what's coming next.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
We bridge the two together.
Exactly, we turned the sitcommand or the knock into a
bridge for the sit command, andwhat that means is a bridge is
just connecting two separatebehaviors.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
We're associating it, it's associative learning, it's
classical conditioning, it'sPavlovian.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Exactly, it is Pavlovian.
That is exactly what it is, andI actually I got a question the
other day.
I had someone and maybe this isa topic for another week
actually and I think it would bea good idea because it's
already.
We have about 10 minutes left,but I would like and those of
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y'all listening at home, Ipersonally would like for us to
potentially uh explore, um, theuse of cbd in dogs.
Is that something we could talkabout?
Will I think that'd be a funtopic for us yeah, I think we
can do that.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Um, yeah, at another show.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so yeah, so
I'll probably leave thatquestion for that show then,
yeah, I think we can do that atanother show.
Else that I get a lot is doorbolting, and if you've got a dog
that sees that front door openand they just start yelling
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freedom and they're gone, listenup.
Super simple, really easy fix.
What we need to do is the exactsame thing where I've got my
dog on leash, okay, and maybe Ineed to start 15, 20, 30, 40
feet away from the door.
Right, I'm going to open upthat door and this, this is
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great for a dog that is a jumperas well.
Doing this training, I'm goingto open up my the door and what
I'm looking for here is I'mrewarding the desired behavior,
and that is the behavior offocusing on me, not worrying
about the door, sitting andstaying whatever it is that I
want my dog to do instead ofgoing out of the door.
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When that occurs, I mark andreward.
Close the door, open the dooragain.
If my dog could care less aboutthe door.
They're focused on me, they'redoing my tasks.
I'm going to mark and reward, Imove a little bit closer to the
door, and I'm going to do thisover and over and over again
until I'm right there at thedoor.
Mind you, my dog is on leash.
I'm now going to open the doorand I start teaching my dog that
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I will release them through thedoor, which, for a jumper, this
is probably another thing thatoccurs.
You got a guest coming up.
They're getting things fromtheir car.
I open up my front door.
My dog bolts out the front doorto go greet the guest.
Now I'm at the front door onleash.
I'm going to open the door.
I'm going to reward my dog aslong as they don't go through
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the door.
As soon as the door opens, I'mrewarding my dog.
Now, the next thing I'm going todo is, if I have a stay command
built into my dog, I'm thengoing to give them that command,
that cue, and I'm going to stepout the door.
And then I'm going to turnaround and I'm going to reward
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my dog again.
Ask my dog to come through thedoor, whether that is with a
release command, whether youbuild in your own command, your
own cue that you want to use.
Whatever I say break, I saybreak.
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My dog comes through the door.
I reward her again and then,guess what?
I'm going to turn around andI'm going to do the exact same
thing to get inside.
And then I'm going to turnaround and I'm going to do the
exact same thing to get outside.
At this point there's nodistractions outside.
Outside is empty.
I'm just teaching my dog youstay inside the door frame.
It's not really teaching thedog to stay inside, it's
actually teaching them don't gothrough door frames without my
(54:58):
permission.
That's what it's reallyteaching them.
So now my dog is at the door, Ireward.
I release my dog through thedoor.
I reward, I or I step throughthe door.
I reward, I release my dogthrough the door, I reward.
And I do this over and over andover and over.
Now I'm going to get a helper tobe down way down by the road,
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maybe even further, and I'm justgoing to have them stand there
and I'm going to do the samething again, over and over and
over inside, outside, inside,outside, inside outside.
Then maybe I'll have thatperson move a little bit closer
and a little bit closer, and alittle bit closer, until they're
right on my door.
Now, this whole time thisperson hasn't been moving.
And then I'm going to do itagain from that starting
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distance, and now I'm going tohave the person start moving
around, you know, maybe makingnoise, maybe trying to even call
the dog hey Fluffy, hey Fluffy.
You know, like whatever it is,get their favorite toy, get some
food, you know, make them jumpup and down, bring kids into the
picture.
Distractions work with positive.
Reinforcement works withdistraction If you take the time
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to do it.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
And that's key.
Okay, that is key that you knowthere's a lot of people that
are lazy and you've got to takethe time, and here's the thing I
want everybody to think about.
Okay, and this is not to shameanybody how much do you love
your dog?
Speaker 2 (56:19):
I love my dog a lot.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And do you believe your dog's a sentient being?
Speaker 2 (56:24):
I absolutely believe my dog is a sentient being, so
your dog feels pain.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Your dog feels pleasure.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yes, 100%.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Not just the physical sensation but the emotional
aspects of pain and pleasure.
Right, do you want to?
I mean think about this, thinkabout this.
So do you want to?
I mean think about this, thinkabout this.
Let's say that Jordan, theaverage pet parent who gets a
dog, and they want to take theirdog through training yeah, how
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long are they typically?
And they don't have any majorproblems, they just have
nuisance behavior issues andthey want just regular obedience
.
You know, sit, calm down, go toyour place.
How long would you say that aperson trains?
Speaker 2 (57:11):
I would say the average that a person is going
to train is going to be no morethan a couple of weeks.
No more than a few weeks iswhat the average pet parent is
doing with their dog.
How many weeks.
How many weeks, uh, I'd saymaybe four all right so four
weeks and how.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
During those four weeks, how often would you say
they're training?
Speaker 2 (57:32):
um, are we talking about how often I would do it or
how often I know?
Speaker 3 (57:36):
how often do you think a typical pet parent is
training?
Speaker 2 (57:40):
probably once in a week twice a week, yeah, I would
say so absolutely people arelazy will people are lazy, I was
gonna say more, like about fivetimes a week.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah, okay, but you know I could be wrong.
Now we know that that's notenough training for things to be
fully reliable.
Yeah, absolutely all right.
And so then what happens isthey've got a dog that's not
enough training for things to befully reliable.
Yeah, absolutely All right.
And so then what happens isthey've got a dog that's
situationally trained.
(58:12):
They've got a dog that'spartially trained yeah, and even
though training is never over,folks.
But then they get out in thereal world with their dog and
they're struggling with theirdog.
Yeah, all right, because theyhaven't put in the time.
But I want you to think aboutthis.
All right, let's split thedifference.
So let's say that for fourweeks All right, they're doing
it four times each week, ok, sothey're doing basically what?
(58:34):
16 sessions?
Yeah, all right, they're doing16 sessions.
And then after that we knowthat they're not reliable, and
so then it's day in and day out.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
So how long would a typical training session be um?
Speaker 3 (58:52):
well for me.
No for an average pet parent uh, 15 to 25 minutes okay so for
15 to 25 minutes.
During that process the dogsexperience with their pet parent
.
If they're not using force,free methods, if they're not
using positive reinforcement,the dog's experiencing physical
(59:13):
and emotional pain.
Yeah, to a certain level.
Now I'm not saying you'reabusing your dog, that you, you
know you should be arrested forabuse and neglect.
Ok, yeah, but a correction is acorrection is a correction,
it's just a politically correctword, for you know, punishment,
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and punishment means that, hey,something uncomfortable is
happening, all right.
So if you love your dog, if youbelieve your dog is a sentient
being, how comfortable are you,day in and day out, or at four
times a week over a four-weekperiod, of taking your dog and
putting your dog through asituation where they experience
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emotional pain and physical pain?
You know some intimidation, orat least they're uncomfortable.
Yeah, if you love your, if youbelieve they're a sentient being
, then to me this is a animalwelfare.
This is an ethics issue, andthat's what it became for me.
Yeah, as I went throughcertification, as I had to do
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continuing education.
Okay, because you know thoseexams weren't easy, especially
the behavior consulting exam, um, and.
And so you've really got toknow your positive reinforcement
really really well.
Um, and it was through thatprocess that I kind of had a lot
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of hurt feelings thinking aboutmy past training and how I
trained some of my dogs in thepast.
And I just can't do it.
Yeah, I just can't do itKnowing what I know today.
Yeah, and I always tell people,when I talk to folks you know
that are talking to anothertrainer that is telling them hey
(01:01:02):
, you need to use a shock collar, you need to use a prong collar
, you've got to use correctionsI always tell them I say you
know, you don't know what youdon't know.
Right, you don't.
I want to believe that trainershave good intentions yeah,
right, they're working withanimals.
I want to believe they havegood intentions, but you don't
know what you don't know.
So here's the thing Either theydon't know what they don't know
(01:01:26):
or they and this is part of itthey don't have the skill level
to be able to train a dogreliably off leash with
distractions using positivereinforcement.
Right, all right, those are thetwo big things.
Right there, or they're lazyyeah.
(01:01:50):
Right, right, and they want itdone fast.
They want it done fast and hey,for nuisance behaviors,
punishment can work fast.
It can work fast, but there'sfallout.
And we know, there's studyafter study after study that if
you are, especially on a regularbasis, using corrections, using
punishment, using negativereinforcement, using aversives,
(01:02:11):
that it takes a toll on a dogand we know that it increases
anxiety, it increases aggression.
Yeah, and do you want that foryour dog?
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
No, absolutely not, Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Well, folks, we are out of time.
We'll be back here nextSaturday.
Yes, we will here at 12 noonEastern.
Always get the times messed upbecause Arizona has a whole
different.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Hey, hey, we don't do daylight savings.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
We don't.
You know.
Our time stays the same.
That's right, and I always gotto remember okay, is the East
coast, is the West coast or arethey on daylight savings time?
Are they not on daylightsavings time but a 12 noon
Eastern?
Yes, saturdays.
Also, you can check out myYouTube page.
Go to YouTube and check outPhoenix Dog Training and check
(01:03:11):
out my website atdogbehavioristcom.
There's about 90 some articlesthere.
Go to the menu, find articles,click on it.
If you've got a problem, you'reprobably gonna find an article
that's gonna help you with,probably going to find an
article that's going to help youwith positive solutions to
resolve those issues.
So there you have it All.
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Right, folks listen.
Have a fantastic rest of yourweekend.
We'll see you next week.
We're out of here.
Thanks for watching.
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Good Saturday morning dog lovers.
I'm Will Bangura and I'm JordanMarsteller, and you're watching
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Just a little bit about myselfif you're brand new.
I am a clinical animalbehaviorist as well as a
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I'm also fear-free, certified,and on Dog Training Today we
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And if you do have questions,we will be doing our best to
answer those for you.
Hey, how was everybody's 4th ofJuly?
Did everybody have a good 4th?
Hopefully it was safe.
(02:43):
How did your pets do with the?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
fire.
Yeah, you know, and you knowwhat I'm.
You know what my question is.
Will about the fourth of julywhat's how many?
Digits were lost.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
This oh yeah, you know, it always happens,
somebody blows their handabsolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And you know what my, my thoughts and prayers go out
to those of you that are lessthan 10 this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Less than 10 digits.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, yeah, they do go out to you, but I want to
know those statistics.
I really do, I really do.
The Arizona Humane Societyalready released this year's
numbers about an increase forthe 4th of July intakes.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, you know it's always a big well.
It's the busiest day for anyshelters for rescue
organizations.
It's an absolute mess.
Yeah, absolutely Rescueorganizations.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's an absolute mess .
So they said that it's too soonto tell for this year, but they
should know in the next coupleof days.
But they're expecting at leasta 60% increase, which is about
on par with previous years.
That's crazy, 60% increase forone day of the year.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, that's absolutely crazy 60% increase
for one day of the year.
Yeah, that's absolutely crazy.
So today, stay with us, becausea little bit later in the show
we're going to be talking aboutthe biggest lie in dog training.
Okay, the biggest lie in dogtraining.
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You know what's insane, thoughWill talking about 4th of July.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So I spent 4th of July.
Me and my fiance went over toWill's house for the 4th of July
.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It was a fantastic time.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We had some burgers and steaks and great food, and
Hana made those brownies thatwere to die for.
But what was crazy was when thefirst fireworks went off.
So we're just sitting there,we're just sitting at the table.
I think that maybe we had justfinished eating our steaks.
(06:32):
Yeah, we had just finishedeating our steaks and the
fireworks started going off.
And both of your dogs, boo andPapa Sully, they just came
running just out of nowhere, ranright up to Will.
Guys, it was insane.
I wasn't even registering whatwas happening, but I noticed it.
(06:52):
And Will goes, he goes.
What are you guys?
Why are you guys coming up tome?
And then it clicked and then itclicked.
That it's because he's beendoing the conditioning that
we've been teaching you guys.
It's because he's been doingthe conditioning that we've been
teaching you guys.
Let me tell you it's 100% inaction.
I witnessed it.
Obviously, I've seen other dogsdo this before, but I'm telling
you guys, it works.
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Every single time that thosefireworks went off, instead of
these dogs who in the past,would be scared and they would
get startled and maybe they'd gohide or they'd tremble
uncontrollably, instead theyheard the boom from the
fireworks and they were like, oh, let me get to dad, or let me
get to mom, or let me get tothis person, let me find someone
(07:33):
that's gonna give me treats,yeah, and so you know, the funny
thing was I forgot they camerunning up to me and like what
are you guys doing?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, forgot that the previous two years, every
time there was a sound offireworks I would mark and
reward my dogs.
And so now they've got asecondary reward marker and
that's the sound of fireworks.
(08:04):
Fireworks, because that meansgood things are going to happen.
And, just like you said, jordan, um, my dogs really had it
pretty severe, I mean trembling,hiding, running, trying to get
away.
Um, it wasn't good.
And so I had to do the work.
I had to do the counterconditioning, um, I had to do
the desensitization.
(08:25):
And yeah, it was funny becausehe came running up to me and I'm
like well, what are you guysjumping on me for?
What is it that you need?
What is it that you want?
And it was Hana.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It was Hana, she remembered.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
She goes you got to give them a reward and I forgot.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's right, we did counter conditioning
and desensitization.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it does it works.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Anybody that says it doesn't work, it works.
So here's the deal.
If you have a dog thatstruggles with fireworks,
chances are the next time it'sgoing to happen is new year's.
Okay, you've got a lot of timeright now, between now and new
years, to be able to do behaviormodification, to do counter
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conditioning, desensitization tofireworks.
Okay, um, between now and then.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So, let me tell you guys, six months.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Six months until new years, and six months is the
average time that we would spendwith our clients fixing very
severe problems yeah, it wouldhave to be very severe for six
months, because if here's thething with my dogs and the um,
um, well, here's exactly theprocess I went through for two
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years was a medicate my dogsbecause they're scared.
They don't need to suffer, okay.
So that took the edge off.
That allowed me, during thefireworks, to be able to do the
work.
You know, if your dog is soscared that they're constantly
running away, trembling, hiding,you can't do the work.
(10:03):
First of all, they're overthreshold.
They're over threshold.
But what I want everybody to do, if you've got a dog that's
afraid of fireworks, okay,you've got six months to get
ready for New Year's.
You've got a year to get readyfor the next 4th of July.
Go to my website atdogbehavioristcom, other side.
Yep, there we go.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Really, Because on my screen on my screen.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's over there.
Okay, I'm going to use thatmirroring feature but, go to
dogbehavioristcom Apparentlyit's over there and and go to
the menu.
Click on articles.
The menu, click on articles.
There's about 94 articles upthere.
Find the one on 4th of Julyfireworks, but also scroll down,
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get the big guide on counterconditioning and desensitization
.
Start working on that now.
I guarantee, if you followthose guidelines, it's going to
be a game changer, an absolutegame changer for you.
Yeah, absolutely so.
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One of the things that I wantedto do today, as I mentioned and
as I wrote in kind of thedescription for today's podcast,
I wanted to talk about thebiggest lie in dog training.
Okay, ah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And the biggest lie is that anybody's better than us
, right.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Hey, there's, I'm going to look.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
There's plenty of trainers that are better than us
there are.
There, absolutely are, Iguarantee it there, absolutely
are.
There are, I guarantee it thereabsolutely are.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
There are, but here's .
You want to talk about a lie,here you go.
Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
There is a radical lie going around the internet on
dog training.
I am saying the use ofaversives, the use of
corrections, the use ofinformation in training a dog is
necessary.
Anyone who tells you anythingelse is lying to you.
Science has no place in dogtraining whoa, what was that?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
science has no place in dog training.
What?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
yeah, science has made me the dog trainer and
behavior specialist that I amtoday.
So without, without science, Idon't know where I'd be today.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So what teaching?
There's nothing behind teachingand educating and how animals
think they learn, they processinformation as far as science.
But here's the lie, and that'sfrom Robert Cabral, and Robert
was doing a workshop at ashelter.
Okay, and he's talking about.
You have to use corrections.
Let's just listen to a littlebit of this and then we'll talk
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about it, okay.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
All right, all right.
So in understanding the makeupof the dog, which is the real,
the predator, the wolf, we haveto look at why dogs do certain
things and why they don't.
So if we look at the aspect ofpositive training or a
reward-based system, as I said,as long as the dog's desire for
the object, the positive object,the reward object, is greater
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than its natural predatorialinstinct to chase, kill and eat,
the dog will opt for yourreward.
So if you put the dog on a sitand you tell the dog come and
you have a treat, the dog'sdesire for that treat will
outweigh his natural instinct tobe lazy and not come.
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So he'll come and he'll get thetreat.
Now if you tell the dog to stayand when he stays he gets the
treat He'll stay because hewants that treat.
But if a chicken or a rabbitruns by and that triggers his
natural predatory instinct tosight, scent, hunt, kill and eat
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that rabbit, that will outweighhis desire to get the little
treat from your hand.
And that's where, oftentimes,positive training will fall
apart.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
All right, I'm just going to go ahead and pause that
right there.
Yeah, okay.
This is the biggest lie in dogtraining that positive
reinforcement doesn't work andthey love to use the example of
hey, your dog is an animal, yeah, and it's got prey drive, yeah,
(14:36):
and when, like you said, if arabbit or something like that,
the squirrel comes by, yourdog's not going to care about
your little treat.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I have two things to say about that, will.
Firstly, I want to say forthose of you watching or
listening at home right now thatmaybe have not been following
us for years, that this is yourfirst time really learning about
us, or maybe you've only beenaround for the last couple of
weeks.
Will and I areex-compulsion-based trainers
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Exactly we both are.
We used to hate on purelypositive-based training we
genuinely did.
If you watched our old episodeson this podcast, then you know
that that is true.
However, science, education andlearning and experience
(15:35):
experience doing it has shown usthat we were wrong and I'm
willing to admit to that.
We were wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And one of the most important things is continuing
education Absolutely.
And so it's one thing.
It's one thing if there arepositive, only force free
trainers that have never usednegative reinforcement, never
used punishment, never used anaversive, and for them to be
saying, hey, you don't need that, that you can get the results
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you're looking for just usingpositive reinforcement training.
They're like, yeah, you don'tknow what you're talking about,
but that's not the case here.
It's not the case here becausethere's no way.
There's no way.
We've been there, we've done itand we have client after client
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after client that we have nothad to use negative
reinforcement.
We have not had to usepunishment Now.
I want to show everybodysomething.
Okay, so here is FetchmastersSchool of Dog Training, okay,
and Fetchmasters, okay, is atraining program, all right, and
(16:51):
they've got let's go down,let's go down.
Where is it?
I missed it?
Right here, um, right here,positive gun dog trainer
certification program.
Positive gun dog, yeah, so.
So let me ask you a question,all right.
So, robert there, yeah, he'ssaying that, listen, if prey
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goes by, yeah, you're, you'regoing to lose your dog, you, you
, you have to use correctionsbecause any other animal that's
going to run by, any distractionthat's out there, especially if
it's, you know, a squirrel, arabbit, how about birds?
Okay, yeah, that you're goingto lose control of your dog,
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that you have to use corrections.
That positive reinforcementtraining, force-free training,
can't get the job done.
Well, how in the world, how inthe world, is it that they're
able to do that?
And these dogs are off leash?
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Yeah, Okay, they're off leashand they're around all kinds of
other animals, there's all kindsof distractions that, um, that
are out there.
But I want to show another onehere.
Here we go Positive gun dogs.
Now, this is a private group,right here on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
There's 2,700 members of the positive gun dog group.
So to say that you have to useaversives, you have to use
corrections, because the bigdistractions around prey
(18:47):
positive reinforcement fails?
No, it doesn't.
Yeah, it's happening all thetime.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
All the time.
See what it's about Will.
Here's the thing, and we usedto say it all the time that
positive reinforcement will getyou there.
Aversives get you there just alittle bit quicker.
And the thing is, when you havea positively trained dog that
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is being distracted by a bird, alizard, another animal, any
distraction, it's not becauseyour training was wrong, it's
because you haven't done enoughor proper training.
Yet.
You know Robert Cabral.
In that video he goes on to saythat a positive reinforcer
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trainer is going to have theirdog sitting there and they get
up and they walk away and I'mjust going to ignore that
behavior and then my dog comesback and sits down and then I
give my dog a treat.
Firstly, that's not the waythat I train.
I'm pretty certain that's notthe way that you train Will.
That's not the way that themajority of good positive
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trainers train.
Because what happens is, mrCabral and for anybody that
thinks that positivereinforcement just doesn't work
is I do use the other quadrantsof operant conditioning even
when I'm not using an aversive.
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When I'm training my dog, I putthem onto a constant reward
schedule and for those of you athome that don't know what that
means.
It means every single time thatmy dog does the right behavior,
it gets rewarded.
It is constant.
It is every single time,without fail.
Now my dog I told my dog sitstay.
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I give my dog a treat.
A bunny runs by, my dog gets upand goes after the bunny.
Then my dog comes back and sitsdown.
What Mr Cabral is saying isthat I'm now going to give my
dog a treat because they satback down.
Wrong, I'm not going to,because that's not the task that
my dog failed.
My dog did not fail at sitting,he already sat.
He failed at staying underdistraction.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
That's what he failed at.
I'm going to say this I'm goingto say the dog didn't fail at
all.
I'm gonna say that the trainerfailed the dog, that the trainer
set the dog up for failure,okay, and and here's, here's the
bottom line okay, I have nodoubt, if you've got a dog with
high prey drive, yeah, andyou're brand you just start
(21:38):
training your dog and you've notdone any distraction training
and now all of a sudden, you'reasking your dog to sit and stay
and a rabbit goes by, you'regoing to lose control of your
dog.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I get it here's.
Counter conditioning anddesensitization is not just for
changing a dog's underlyingemotional state, for fears,
anxiety, phobias, aggression andreactivity.
Yes, that is primarily what weuse counter conditioning and
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desensitization for.
But when it comes todistractions, when it comes to
things like if you've got a dogthat wants to chase later on in
the video I'm not going to playit, but Robert will talk about
dogs that you'll be walking andhere comes a kid on a bike, here
comes a kid on a scooter andthe dog wants to chase after
(22:37):
them Well, that's prey drive too.
Chase after them?
Well, that's prey drive too.
But the bottom line is, if I'mnew to training my dog, I don't,
and I want my dog to sit andstay and focus on me.
When a rabbit goes by or when akid goes by on a bike or a
scooter, I don't start theprocess by putting my dog in
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that situation where, hey, thatscooter or that bike is, you
know, five feet from us.
It's just zipping right next tous, or we're right next to a
rabbit or a squirrel orsomething like that, all right.
So then how do you do it?
First of all, just like we talkabout, with using counter
conditioning and desensitizationfor anxiety, fears, phobias,
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aggression, reactivity.
You have to start at a distancewhere you have control of your
dog.
You start at a distance andyou're proactively creating
training situations.
So what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to have my dog and I'm
going to be going throughwhatever exercises, training
(23:41):
exercises I want to do.
I'm going to have a kid on abike.
They're going to be at adistance from my dog, where my
dog can see the bike.
But my dog is not losing itsfocus.
It is still responding to thecues and commands I'm giving.
My dog can stay focused with me.
It's not wanting to chase afterthe bike.
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And I've got this kid goingback and forth on the bike at a
distance, slowly, and theneventually I start speeding up
that bike, making it faster andfaster and little by little,
gradually, systematically, as Icontinue to train, day in and
day out, I'm going to have thatkid on a bike get closer and
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closer and closer and closer andcloser.
At any point I lose control ofmy dog.
That does not mean my dog failednumber one.
It does not mean thatforce-free, positive,
reinforcement-only trainingfails.
It means that I'm failing thedog.
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I am working too fast, too soon.
You don't go from zero to 100.
You don't go from A to Z.
There is a sequence and stepsthat you have to take.
So here's the bottom line.
When it comes to those trainers,again, it's the biggest lie in
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dog training that you have to.
You have to use aversives.
All right, listen, eitherthey're lying or they and this
is not an.
Or it's an and or they don'thave the skills you know Robert
talks about.
Hey, I love positivereinforcement.
Well, he's a very heavycompulsion trainer.
(25:28):
All right, and the bottom lineis this is that you do not need
to.
When you do things the rightway, if you understand, if
you've got a high level of skillas a trainer, you can do this
with force-free methods, withpositive reinforcement.
But you have to be a much moreskilled trainer and you have to
(25:52):
be better educated.
All right, we had to go throughthe learning process.
Yeah, all right, we wentthrough the conversion process.
You know, it happened for mealmost by mistake, because in
mentoring you, I had mentionedhey, listen, the way that the
dog training industry is going,I do believe, down the road, you
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are going to have to becertified, and because the
certification council forprofessional dog trainers is
really the only legitimatecertifying body for dog trainers
and the only independentcertifying body.
We went that direction and I'mthe kind of person if I'm going
to make you study and take acertification exam, I'm going to
(26:36):
do it too.
I'm not going to ask you to dosomething that I did.
So I went through that processtoo.
Well, part of the process ofgetting certified is there are
ethical guidelines that you haveto follow, there are ways of
training you have to follow, andthey're all about
evidence-based, science-basedtraining and force-free training
, not using aversives.
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And so you sign an ethicsstatement saying, hey, I'm not
going to use punishment, I'm notgoing to use a prong collar,
I'm not going to use anelectronic collar.
And throughout that process ofcertification, we're learning
more about positivereinforcement and evidence-based
, science-based training,force-free training, training
(27:19):
and how that is applied, notjust to teaching a dog to sit,
to lay down, to come when called.
But how do you deal with bigdistractions?
How do you deal with a dogthat's aggressive?
How do you deal with a dog thatis reactive?
All right, but the biggest lieout there, the biggest lie out
(27:41):
there, is that you absolutelyhave to use aversives.
Now here's another thing I wantto share Positive herding.
Ok, positive herding to toadvanced dog training.
So advanced dog training forherding, again, dogs off leash
around all kinds of distractionsaround other animals.
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Yet they're doing it all daylong.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And let me tell you, herding dogs are, in my opinion,
in my in my opinion you may youmay have a different opinion
herding dogs, cattle dogs, justdogs used for herding animals,
are some of the best traineddogs I have ever seen in my life
(28:28):
, by far.
By like I mean, they are insane, I I, when I look at these,
these good, well-trained herdingdogs, these border border
collies, these Australianshepherds that can herd a like
three dogs, herd a flock of, orwhatever the word is of, a
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thousand sheep, and they do itperfectly.
And to think that those dogswere trained with positive
reinforcement only, that hurtsme, that hurts me as a previous
compulsory trainer you know?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
do you know where there's a lot of dogs being used
for herding?
It's in europe.
The countryside, absolutely.
And almost all countries in theeuropean union.
Shock collars and prong collarshave been outlawed, gone,
they're banned.
Yeah, they have to useforce-free training.
So how is it?
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If they don't have those tools,how are they getting the
results?
So it must work.
We know it works.
But those folks that say, hey,there's no way you got to use um
aversives, yeah, um.
No, you don't now.
No, let's go ahead and continueto share.
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And here we go, let's getanother one, because it's time
to put this to rest.
All right, canine schutzentraining a manual for IPO,
training through positivereinforcement Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
What Training.
I would never imagine aSchutzen dog to be positively
reinforced, yeah they call itIPO now.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But here's the thing Everybody says, oh no,
protection, sports man, you'vegot to use corrections, you've
got to use.
You got to use corrections, yougot to use aversives.
You know there are trainersthat are titling dogs in IPO
Mondo ring, french ring usingnothing but positive
reinforcement.
So again, the biggest lie Indog training, saying that, hey,
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you've got to use aversives whenyou don't have to use aversives
.
Let's just keep going here asI'm going through this.
Ok, let's take this to anotherstep.
Here we go, training policedogs and military dogs using
positive methods.
Using positive methods.
These police officers.
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These police officers are proofthat reward based training is
good for more than just basicobedience and fun tricks.
So the Seattle PoliceDepartment, seattle's canine
unit they train with positivereinforcement.
So again, another example.
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And we can just continue to goon and on and on.
It doesn't end.
Let's go to one more.
All right, and where is it?
Where are you?
Here we go, here's the next one.
Work with a skilled positivereinforcement service dog
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trainer.
This company does service dogtraining, positive reinforcement
.
Now I want everybody to thinkabout this.
I want everybody to think aboutthis.
I'm thinking, and I'm nottalking about the fake service
dogs, I'm talking about the realservice dogs, talking about the
real service dog.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, that grinds my gears.
We can talk about that atdifferent times there are.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But here's the thing Most people don't train their
own service dogs.
Right, most people they get agrant, they get money, they do a
GoFundMe account, somethinglike that, because it costs a
lot of money, especially if youhave a very complex set of tasks
that the service dog needs todo, like, um, for people that
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are blind.
I mean that's a really tough um.
There's a lot of training thatgoes in there.
Yeah, I don't know of anyschools throughout this country
and even in the united statesthat train service dogs that use
aversives.
Yeah, all of them train withpositive reinforcement.
How is it that service dogs cango everywhere?
(32:47):
And I'm again, I'm talkingabout real service dogs, because
there's a lot of fake ones outand you know the fake ones
because they're not well behaved.
Yeah, no real service dog goesinto public and they're not well
and on, on a, on some randomperson pulling yeah to play with
another dog no, no service dog.
That that's a fake service dog.
(33:08):
Yeah, all right people, justthey don't want to pay and they
want to take their dog in therestaurant.
They don't want to pay to havetheir dog, they want to be able
to fly with their dog.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
yeah, I love when I fly with harley and after the
flight the flight attendantscome up to me and they go you
have the most behaved servicedog we have ever seen and every
time, without fail, I look atthem and I say that's because
she's a real service dog.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, but you know, bottom line herding dogs, police
canine dogs, dogs that aredoing protection, sports service
dog, gun dogs, hunting dogs, ok, all of those, all of those
dogs being trained to a highlevel of training, off leash,
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reliable, with insanedistractions around them.
They don't have to use a shockcollar, they don't have to use a
prong collar, they're gettingthe results.
So anybody that says you knowwhat Robert says, let's see what
does he say?
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I am saying the use of a versus the use of
corrections.
The use of information intraining a dog is necessary.
Anyone who tells you anythingelse is lying to you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
That's the lie.
What he's saying is the lie.
That is the biggest lie in dogtraining, absolutely.
Now I want you also tounderstand that there are
trainers, people, lay peoplethat love to compete with their
dogs in dog shows.
And I'm not talking about thebeauty pageant okay, where
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they're just prancing around thering and best in show.
I'm talking about working dogtrials.
I'm talking about akc obediencematches, whether it be in
obedience, whether, um, we'retalking utility okay, whether
we're talking scent work allright, all.
But today, anybody thatcompetes with their dogs and akc
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obedience matches where they'reputting titles on their dogs.
There's lots of distractions.
I mean really advanced levelsof training.
They're using positivereinforcement, they're not using
aversives.
How can they get their dogstrained to that level, title
their dogs around and and havethem reliable around all those
distractions and not useaversives?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, especially if aversives are necessary.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Hey, susan Garrett.
Susan Garrett, okay, one of thebest agility trainers in the
world.
Matter of fact, she's a worldchampion in agility.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
She trains all of her dogs force-free, total positive
reinforcement.
Now, one of the arguments, oneof the arguments that you know,
ivan Belobanov always gives thisargument.
He goes it's naturalCorrections are natural our
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biology that we'repre-programmed to want to move
away from things that arepainful and move towards things
that are pleasurable.
And he uses the example hey,you touch a hot stove, you
quickly recoil from that andhopefully you probably will
learn from that.
It hurts, you probably won't dothat again.
And so he uses that example.
As you know, the fact that it'spart of our biology, and
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because it's part of our biologythat we have to train that way.
The other argument, too, thatthey give they love to give this
one is that when you take alook at dogs, they correct each
other.
They correct each other withtheir mouth, right.
And mom dog does that too.
All right, here's the thing.
(36:44):
Here's the thing.
We have human intelligence.
We have human intelligence.
We're a lot smarter than dogs.
All right, we don't have to useaversives, we don't have to use
punishment like a dog, becausewe have the ability to use our
brain and just like, just like,for example, you know, I could
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take a rock and I could startbanging nails with a rock and
try to build things, or I coulduse my brain and I could forge
some new tools.
Right, it's like you know.
For example, I could choose towalk or run from here to New
York, or I could get in a car,or I could get in a plane or
(37:28):
something.
So there's more efficient, moreeffective ways.
Ok, less painful ways, yeah.
So no, animal likes pain.
No, that doesn't mean that it'ssome and it is part of our
nature.
But that doesn't mean that as aresult of that, that's proof
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positive.
Oh, you've got to train thisway because somehow that's the
way the universe is designed.
All right, they'll say you know?
Hey, roses have thorns.
And do you know what propagandais?
Absolutely.
Let me give you the bestdefinition of propaganda.
Propaganda is telling a story,telling something that has some
(38:15):
truth to it, and then you attacha falsehood to that truth.
That's how propaganda works,yeah.
And so when Robert or othertrainers say, yeah, positive
reinforcement is great, you know, it builds the relationship
with your dog, it's wonderful,you can begin to teach the dog
certain behaviors with that, butthen when you start getting
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into distracting environments,it's going to fall short.
You've got to use aversives.
Well, that's propaganda.
Yeah, there's a part of itthat's true, and then there's
the rest of it that's a lie whenit comes to this particular
issue, and so this is thebiggest lie in dog training.
(39:00):
Yeah, okay, absolutely.
Um, I've got some emailquestions that we can go through
yeah absolutely.
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Let me go to some emailquestions here.
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This one is from Tina, and Tinais in Florence, kentucky, and
Tina says how do I get my dog tostop jumping?
It is so embarrassing.
Whenever I have guests over, mydog is crazy, hyper, jumps all
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over them and I'm very worriedbecause if I have my grandmother
over, she's 92 years old andI'm really afraid that she's
going to get hurt Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
You want to take that , I'll take that one.
Jumping behavior is one of myfavorite things to fix, and the
reason why will is because it'seasy.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It's easy, all right, tina you just have to punish a
dog, right.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's right.
All you're going to do isyou're just going to take that
lead.
No, but, but that's old school,right.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
How many times listen compulsion based trainers?
They always say hey, if yourdog's jumping, knee him in the
chest.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Exactly, exactly.
That is that, and that's what Iwas taught that for for the
longest time.
For the longest time, that'swhat I did, and when people
asked me my dog is jumping, howdo I fix this, I would say knee
him in the chest.
Just take that knee, and don'tmake it light either.
You want to knee them in thechest, make it uncomfortable.
That's not how we do it, though, folks.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Explain how it's done using force-free methods.
Positive reinforcement only.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So the first thing that we're going to do is we
need to teach our dog anincompatible behavior, without
any distractions first.
That's going to be the step one.
Now, in a perfect world, theway that I like to do it is I
teach my dog place.
Okay, what place is?
(42:37):
Is it is a designated spotnormally an elevated cot,
something like that where I'mteaching my dog to get on this
spot and stay there, and I'mgoing to teach my dog to do that
under distraction, with lightdistraction, heavy distraction
and no distractions.
Once I have a dog that is, youknow, doing really good with
place, there's something elseI'm going to be doing
concurrently at the same time,and that is what I like to call
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my 10-minute rule.
Okay, the 10-minute rule isvery, very simple when you come
home, when your children comehome, when your husband or wife
comes home, when your neighborscome in the door, when your
friends come over, wheneversomebody walks through that
front door, for 10 minutesstraight, you ignore your dog.
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You pretend that they do notexist.
You're not greeting them,you're not petting them, you're
not giving them a treat.
The only exception to thispolicy is I've been gone for
five hours.
I need to take my dog outsideto go to the bathroom.
That's the only exception,because I don't have a doggy
door.
But other than that, youcompletely ignore them for 10
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minutes, nothing at all, and Ido mean no interaction.
If you do this every singletime that your dog, that you
come home and give it just twoweeks, two weeks of every time
somebody comes through that door, they get zero interaction
You're going to start.
What you're doing here isyou're no longer reinforcing the
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idea in your dog's head thatsomebody coming through the door
equals fun time, equalsexcitement, it equals love, it
equals pets, it equals treats,it equals all these good things.
Instead, the dog is going huh.
When people come through thedoor, nothing really happens.
So that's not really importantto me anymore.
There's really no reason forthat.
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Now I've got my dog on place,I've taught my dog the 10-minute
rule and now I'm ready to startintroducing the door itself.
The first thing I got to do isI got to figure out what is
triggering my dog.
Does my dog trigger when theperson knocks?
Does my dog trigger when theyring the doorbell?
Is my dog triggering?
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They don't care when theknocking happens.
They start triggering when thedoor opens.
Maybe they don't even careabout that.
Maybe what they care about isthe moment the person makes it
in the door.
But you got to figure that outRight.
Once we know where my dog isstarting to trigger, that's
where I have to startdesensitizing.
So let's just say that I have adog that triggers as soon as
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the knock occurs.
That's where I'm going to start, put my dog on place and then
I'm going to start knock, knock,knock, knock, knock.
Very lightly, very lightknocking, and I'm going to feed
my dog simultaneously high valuetreats, feed, feed, feed, feed,
feed, feed, feed.
And I'm only going to do this alittle bit because we aren't
talking about a dog that isfearful.
We're not talking about a dogthat is aggressive.
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I'm just creating anassociation.
So my dog hears the knock andgoes Ooh, I'm going to get some
food.
That's what I want.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
And the dog is staying on place.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Exactly, and they're staying on place, so it's
getting reinforced for thatadditionally, exactly.
Precisely Now.
Once I've got this associationof I'm on place, someone knocks
on the door.
I'm getting food in my mouth.
Now I'm going to start teachingmy dog the desired task.
Okay, and that is, we're goingto stay on my dog the desired
task okay, and that is, we'regoing to stay on place as long
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as somebody's coming through thefront door.
So now I have somebody knock,maybe they jiggle the door a
little bit, maybe they open thedoor a little bit.
My dog stays on place.
I mark and reward, okay.
Then let's say, the dog gets offof place.
What am I going to do?
I'm not going to correct my dog, I'm just going to have that
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person immediately stop knocking, immediately close the door,
immediately step back outside,whatever it is, and then I'm
going to reset my dog.
Mind you, they do not get atreat for getting back on place
because they got off.
They got off, they broke place.
Now that my dog is back onplace, I'm going to do it again.
The person knocks oh, they getoff a place.
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Well, nope, we're going toreset, do it again.
Person knocks, they get off aplace.
Okay, you know what?
This isn't working.
My dog has failed three timesnow.
I'm going to turn down mydistraction.
So instead of a I don't know ifyou can hear this like a loud
knock.
I'm going to do a very, verylight knock Very very light and
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hopefully, now that I've turneddown the distraction, my dog
remains on place.
I reward them and we use thisvery slow process until I get
someone in the door.
Now what people are thinking athome is well, jordan, I just
want my dog to stop jumping.
I don't want my dog to stay onplace while this is occurring.
I don't want to worry aboutteaching my dog place.
(47:42):
That's fine.
What we have done now is we'vetaught our dog that someone
coming through the front door isnot an exciting thing.
Focusing on mom and dad stayingon place is a fun and exciting
thing.
So now we can remove place fromthe equation.
Okay, now I have somebody comethrough the front door, my dog
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already has an understanding ofstaying on place, being
contained and not running overto jump.
So now I've got my dog on leash, I let someone come through the
door.
And what am I going to do?
I got to teach them aconflicting behavior,
incompatible behavior.
Sit, yes, give my dog a treat.
As soon as somebody walksthrough the door.
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Person walks back out.
I release my dog, let him runaround.
Person comes back through thedoor.
Sit I reward my dog.
I do it again Sit, I reward mydog Sit.
I reward my dog Over and overand over and over On leash.
The reason why the dog is onleash is so that they never get
to actually physically put theirpaws and jump up on that person
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.
We don't want to allow them torepeat the behavior.
We don't want to allow them tocontinue to reinforce this fun
behavior of jumping.
Now I've had a point.
Come this point, my dog, someonecomes through the front door
and there's probably a goodchance that your dog is going to
run up to you and sit and lookfor a treat.
There's probably a good chancethat's going to happen.
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If that occurs, you better payyour dog, reward them lots of
love, fun explosion, give themall the treats you know, and
you're just slowly turning upthis distraction of somebody
coming through the door, goingaway, coming through the door,
going away.
In addition to that 10-minuterule, and if you do those three
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things, which is 10-minute rule,teach your dog place with
distractions and then teach anincompatible behavior at the
front door, you will see resultsvery, very, very quickly on the
jumping behavior.
I hope that answers yourquestion, tina.
Was there anything that youwanted to add?
Will, or did I kind of knock iton the head there.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
You know you did good there.
The only thing that you knowsome of my clients what I will
have them do as well is use thedoor knock or the doorbell as a
secondary cue for place.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, perfect, and I can actually explain that, if
you'd like Will.
So it's super simple.
It's really simple.
What I do is I'll have my dogon leash.
This is super important, folks.
Why don't we train our dogs onleash?
I don't know.
Start training your dogs onleash.
Just put a leash on them.
It makes things so much easier.
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And then you can extinguish theleash, get rid of it later on
down the road.
Now my dog's running around onleash and then I have somebody
knock, knock, knock or ring thedoorbell and then I go place,
place, place or sit, sit, sit,whatever the command is, and
then I reward my dog and then Irelease him Knock, sit, whatever
the command is and then Ireward my dog and then I release
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him Knock, knock, knock, sit orplace, reward, knock, knock,
knock, sit or place and reward.
And I do this over and over andover and over again.
And then what's going to happenis it's going to go knock,
knock, knock and my dog is goingto boop sit Because they know
what's coming next.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
They know what's coming next.
They know what's coming next.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
We bridge the two together.
Exactly, we turned the sitcommand or the knock into a
bridge for the sit command, andwhat that means is a bridge is
just connecting two separatebehaviors.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
We're associating it, it's associative learning, it's
classical conditioning, it'sPavlovian.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Exactly, it is Pavlovian.
That is exactly what it is, andI actually I got a question the
other day.
I had someone and maybe this isa topic for another week
actually and I think it would bea good idea because it's
already.
We have about 10 minutes left,but I would like and those of
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y'all listening at home, Ipersonally would like for us to
potentially uh explore, um, theuse of cbd in dogs.
Is that something we could talkabout?
Will I think that'd be a funtopic for us yeah, I think we
can do that.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Um, yeah, at another show.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so yeah, so
I'll probably leave thatquestion for that show then,
yeah, I think we can do that atanother show.
Else that I get a lot is doorbolting, and if you've got a dog
that sees that front door openand they just start yelling
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freedom and they're gone, listenup.
Super simple, really easy fix.
What we need to do is the exactsame thing where I've got my
dog on leash, okay, and maybe Ineed to start 15, 20, 30, 40
feet away from the door.
Right, I'm going to open upthat door and this, this is
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great for a dog that is a jumperas well.
Doing this training, I'm goingto open up my the door and what
I'm looking for here is I'mrewarding the desired behavior,
and that is the behavior offocusing on me, not worrying
about the door, sitting andstaying whatever it is that I
want my dog to do instead ofgoing out of the door.
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When that occurs, I mark andreward.
Close the door, open the dooragain.
If my dog could care less aboutthe door.
They're focused on me, they'redoing my tasks.
I'm going to mark and reward, Imove a little bit closer to the
door, and I'm going to do thisover and over and over again
until I'm right there at thedoor.
Mind you, my dog is on leash.
I'm now going to open the doorand I start teaching my dog that
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I will release them through thedoor, which, for a jumper, this
is probably another thing thatoccurs.
You got a guest coming up.
They're getting things fromtheir car.
I open up my front door.
My dog bolts out the front doorto go greet the guest.
Now I'm at the front door onleash.
I'm going to open the door.
I'm going to reward my dog aslong as they don't go through
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the door.
As soon as the door opens, I'mrewarding my dog.
Now, the next thing I'm going todo is, if I have a stay command
built into my dog, I'm thengoing to give them that command,
that cue, and I'm going to stepout the door.
And then I'm going to turnaround and I'm going to reward
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my dog again.
Ask my dog to come through thedoor, whether that is with a
release command, whether youbuild in your own command, your
own cue that you want to use.
Whatever I say break, I saybreak.
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My dog comes through the door.
I reward her again and then,guess what?
I'm going to turn around andI'm going to do the exact same
thing to get inside.
And then I'm going to turnaround and I'm going to do the
exact same thing to get outside.
At this point there's nodistractions outside.
Outside is empty.
I'm just teaching my dog youstay inside the door frame.
It's not really teaching thedog to stay inside, it's
actually teaching them don't gothrough door frames without my
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permission.
That's what it's reallyteaching them.
So now my dog is at the door, Ireward.
I release my dog through thedoor.
I reward, I or I step throughthe door.
I reward, I release my dogthrough the door, I reward.
And I do this over and over andover and over.
Now I'm going to get a helper tobe down way down by the road,
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maybe even further, and I'm justgoing to have them stand there
and I'm going to do the samething again, over and over and
over inside, outside, inside,outside, inside outside.
Then maybe I'll have thatperson move a little bit closer
and a little bit closer, and alittle bit closer, until they're
right on my door.
Now, this whole time thisperson hasn't been moving.
And then I'm going to do itagain from that starting
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distance, and now I'm going tohave the person start moving
around, you know, maybe makingnoise, maybe trying to even call
the dog hey Fluffy, hey Fluffy.
You know, like whatever it is,get their favorite toy, get some
food, you know, make them jumpup and down, bring kids into the
picture.
Distractions work with positive.
Reinforcement works withdistraction If you take the time
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to do it.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
And that's key.
Okay, that is key that you knowthere's a lot of people that
are lazy and you've got to takethe time, and here's the thing I
want everybody to think about.
Okay, and this is not to shameanybody how much do you love
your dog?
Speaker 2 (56:19):
I love my dog a lot.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And do you believe your dog's a sentient being?
Speaker 2 (56:24):
I absolutely believe my dog is a sentient being, so
your dog feels pain.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Your dog feels pleasure.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yes, 100%.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Not just the physical sensation but the emotional
aspects of pain and pleasure.
Right, do you want to?
I mean think about this, thinkabout this.
So do you want to?
I mean think about this, thinkabout this.
Let's say that Jordan, theaverage pet parent who gets a
dog, and they want to take theirdog through training yeah, how
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long are they typically?
And they don't have any majorproblems, they just have
nuisance behavior issues andthey want just regular obedience
.
You know, sit, calm down, go toyour place.
How long would you say that aperson trains?
Speaker 2 (57:11):
I would say the average that a person is going
to train is going to be no morethan a couple of weeks.
No more than a few weeks iswhat the average pet parent is
doing with their dog.
How many weeks.
How many weeks, uh, I'd saymaybe four all right so four
weeks and how.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
During those four weeks, how often would you say
they're training?
Speaker 2 (57:32):
um, are we talking about how often I would do it or
how often I know?
Speaker 3 (57:36):
how often do you think a typical pet parent is
training?
Speaker 2 (57:40):
probably once in a week twice a week, yeah, I would
say so absolutely people arelazy will people are lazy, I was
gonna say more, like about fivetimes a week.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah, okay, but you know I could be wrong.
Now we know that that's notenough training for things to be
fully reliable.
Yeah, absolutely all right.
And so then what happens isthey've got a dog that's not
enough training for things to befully reliable.
Yeah, absolutely All right.
And so then what happens isthey've got a dog that's
situationally trained.
(58:12):
They've got a dog that'spartially trained yeah, and even
though training is never over,folks.
But then they get out in thereal world with their dog and
they're struggling with theirdog.
Yeah, all right, because theyhaven't put in the time.
But I want you to think aboutthis.
All right, let's split thedifference.
So let's say that for fourweeks All right, they're doing
it four times each week, ok, sothey're doing basically what?
(58:34):
16 sessions?
Yeah, all right, they're doing16 sessions.
And then after that we knowthat they're not reliable, and
so then it's day in and day out.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
So how long would a typical training session be um?
Speaker 3 (58:52):
well for me.
No for an average pet parent uh, 15 to 25 minutes okay so for
15 to 25 minutes.
During that process the dogsexperience with their pet parent
.
If they're not using force,free methods, if they're not
using positive reinforcement,the dog's experiencing physical
(59:13):
and emotional pain.
Yeah, to a certain level.
Now I'm not saying you'reabusing your dog, that you, you
know you should be arrested forabuse and neglect.
Ok, yeah, but a correction is acorrection is a correction,
it's just a politically correctword, for you know, punishment,
(59:33):
and punishment means that, hey,something uncomfortable is
happening, all right.
So if you love your dog, if youbelieve your dog is a sentient
being, how comfortable are you,day in and day out, or at four
times a week over a four-weekperiod, of taking your dog and
putting your dog through asituation where they experience
(59:55):
emotional pain and physical pain?
You know some intimidation, orat least they're uncomfortable.
Yeah, if you love your, if youbelieve they're a sentient being
, then to me this is a animalwelfare.
This is an ethics issue, andthat's what it became for me.
Yeah, as I went throughcertification, as I had to do
(01:00:17):
continuing education.
Okay, because you know thoseexams weren't easy, especially
the behavior consulting exam, um, and.
And so you've really got toknow your positive reinforcement
really really well.
Um, and it was through thatprocess that I kind of had a lot
(01:00:39):
of hurt feelings thinking aboutmy past training and how I
trained some of my dogs in thepast.
And I just can't do it.
Yeah, I just can't do itKnowing what I know today.
Yeah, and I always tell people,when I talk to folks you know
that are talking to anothertrainer that is telling them hey
(01:01:02):
, you need to use a shock collar, you need to use a prong collar
, you've got to use correctionsI always tell them I say you
know, you don't know what youdon't know.
Right, you don't.
I want to believe that trainershave good intentions yeah,
right, they're working withanimals.
I want to believe they havegood intentions, but you don't
know what you don't know.
So here's the thing Either theydon't know what they don't know
(01:01:26):
or they and this is part of itthey don't have the skill level
to be able to train a dogreliably off leash with
distractions using positivereinforcement.
Right, all right, those are thetwo big things.
Right there, or they're lazyyeah.
(01:01:50):
Right, right, and they want itdone fast.
They want it done fast and hey,for nuisance behaviors,
punishment can work fast.
It can work fast, but there'sfallout.
And we know, there's studyafter study after study that if
you are, especially on a regularbasis, using corrections, using
punishment, using negativereinforcement, using aversives,
(01:02:11):
that it takes a toll on a dogand we know that it increases
anxiety, it increases aggression.
Yeah, and do you want that foryour dog?
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
No, absolutely not, Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Well, folks, we are out of time.
We'll be back here nextSaturday.
Yes, we will here at 12 noonEastern.
Always get the times messed upbecause Arizona has a whole
different.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Hey, hey, we don't do daylight savings.
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
We don't.
You know.
Our time stays the same.
That's right, and I always gotto remember okay, is the East
coast, is the West coast or arethey on daylight savings time?
Are they not on daylightsavings time but a 12 noon
Eastern?
Yes, saturdays.
Also, you can check out myYouTube page.
Go to YouTube and check outPhoenix Dog Training and check
(01:03:11):
out my website atdogbehavioristcom.
There's about 90 some articlesthere.
Go to the menu, find articles,click on it.
If you've got a problem, you'reprobably gonna find an article
that's gonna help you with,probably going to find an
article that's going to help youwith positive solutions to
resolve those issues.
So there you have it All.
(01:03:32):
Right, folks listen.
Have a fantastic rest of yourweekend.
We'll see you next week.
We're out of here.
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