June 30, 2023 • 42 mins
Could you imagine the person you love, trapped in a suitcase, pleading for their life? Dominika and Christopher will walk you through this disturbing case in our latest episode of the Deviant Mind podcast. We unravel the peculiar details of the Sarah Boone case, in which she claims a game of hide and seek ended in the tragic death of her boyfriend, Jorge Torres. A chilling 911 call and haunting video evidence paint a picture entirely different from the story she told.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Oh my goodness.
So this crazy case.
Hey everybody, welcome to theDeviant Mind.
This is Dominica.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And this is Christopher.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And I have been in the seventh circle of hell of
camp and children and everything.
So I think Chris might betaking the lead on this crazy
case.
Oh crap, and of course I justhad the doll.
I don't know, did you hear thedollar thing go off?
No, oh man, zoom is amazing, idid not That's amazing.
(00:35):
Okay, so we have another case,another lady killer, also from
the crazy state of Florida,which I apologize to all
listeners coming from Florida.
But what are you guys smokingdown there?
I mean, it's just got somenutty, nutty stuff happening.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's a hotbed for just anything goes.
Anything goes Sex withcrocodiles, shooting people in
the butt over crackers.
You know it's just it's wild.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What's going on with you people, Florida?
So this week we are doing thecase of Sarah Boone, whose
boyfriend mysteriously died in asuitcase while she watched,
Allegedly.
Allegedly She claims she wentto bed.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I mean this whole case is really nutty And it's
because she's nutty and herdefense is, i mean we'll get
into all that.
But this happened in WinterPark, florida.
So I have no idea what it'snear, if it's near Tampa Bay, if
it's near Miami or a land.
(01:56):
I have no clue where WinterPark sits.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Strange name for a town in Florida, don't you think
?
Unless, of course, it's likeyou have all the snowbirds
coming down from the New Englanddown to Florida And so you're
like, oh, it's Winter Park,because it's all this.
where are the snowbirds lived?
But anyway, a little randomaside, because, like Winter Park
in Florida, why Florida?
Why?
Why are you so weird?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Why Florida?
Why And hey, we're only basingthis on, these are our opinions
based on what we see You know,there is definitely a trend in
crazy events in cases stemmingfrom Florida.
So it's really, hey, it's whatwe're seeing, right, It's?
(02:43):
we don't mean to offend Florida, but boy, what is happening.
There's always been anunderbelly to that state.
It feels.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yes, it has been Like yeah, like just a little kooky,
i'm thinking maybe the humidityand the heat and it just being
Florida.
You know, florida was the placewhere they thought they could
find the Mountain of Youth.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh, right right.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What happened, florida?
What happened?
Anyway, we'll get off bashingFlorida for a hot second.
And so tell me about SarahBoone, have you been able to?
because this is like you knowthis with these cases that we do
, because sometimes they're notas popular as other cases.
There isn't that muchinformation on the suspect and
(03:38):
the and the victim, becausethey've pretty much led their
lives as private citizens Andeven you know I found some
arrest affidavits of theirs froma couple years prior, but
before that there isn't much oflike Facebook or Instagram or
(03:59):
any you know I like.
Do you know what she even didfor a living?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So here is a.
Yes, i have.
You know there is very limitedbackground information for the
both of them, but in my researchyou know, who came to mind and
who popped up was and this isreally kind of funny, but not
funny, but more about thecoincidence or irony of this
(04:27):
Sarah Boone was a woman who wasborn into slavery in 1832.
And in 1847, she married JamesBoone, who's a free black man,
and she gains her freedomNovember 25, 1847, right, they
have eight children together.
But before they have childrentogether, they actually are part
(04:51):
of the Underground Railroad Andthey travel from Connecticut.
They go to Connecticut fromCraven County, north Carolina,
right before the Civil War.
Fascinating, right.
So that's that, sarah Boone.
She said, quote if you have astory, make sure it's a whole
one with details close to hand.
(05:11):
It's the difference between agood lie and getting caught.
Oh, wow.
And so you bring that totoday's Sarah Boone with her
boyfriend, you know, in asuitcase, yes.
And so, starting with thevictim, what I know about Jorge
(05:33):
Torres is that he was bornFebruary 13, 1978 in
Philadelphia.
He's actually the father ofthree and has a history of
domestic violence prior to beingboyfriend to Sarah Boone.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So he was a violent guy then.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Correct And at the time of at the start of their
relationship for Hey and Sarah,he didn't.
He didn't have a job And, ibelieve he passed away.
He was still unemployed And hewas a confirmed alcoholic, and
so was she.
(06:14):
So they were both 42 years oldat this.
At the time of his death, andSarah Boone again, not much is
known other than she has acouple of siblings.
Both of them have, i believe, asibling, if not like more.
(06:37):
But I was able to find out thatshe was married, prior to being
with Jorge, to Brian, this guy,brian.
They had a child named Lucas.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So were there any?
I'm sorry to interrupt you, butwere there any children living
in were living with them at thetime of Jorge's death?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
No, no, so there were no children there.
What's interesting here is thatwhen Brian files for divorce in
2017, she never had a job.
She never held down a job afterthe divorce and was able to
live off alimony, and that's howshe was able to afford this
(07:30):
condo where she and Jorge live.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Okay, I see.
So they were kind of like notwanting to say layabouts, but
she's on alimony and then is hejust grifting off of her then.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Correct.
They're basically both withouta job.
they're both alcoholics.
Brian kept in touch with herbecause they do have a child
together And he said that herdrinking just got worse, like
(08:04):
once they got the worst.
he just noticed a completedifference in her and she yeah,
yeah, sadly became alcoholic.
She's very incidentally, herex-husband is very sympathetic
towards her and like reallyfeels for her.
And at the time of this event.
He's the first person she callsbecause he lives near the condo
(08:27):
apartment complex, right,that's interesting.
So that's interesting.
He's there on the scenebasically when the cops show up
and then she calls 911 with thisincredible story, i see.
But yeah, i mean, this casereally has a lot you know, again
, not much information known.
I can tell you that Jorge'smother was the first to come out
(08:51):
and speak to the media and tryto shine a light on her son's
bizarre death.
But she also says that sheforgives Sarah, which is
interesting because during herinterrogation, Sarah Boone says
(09:13):
that she feels that her, thathis family, never liked her and
they called her the white dragon.
It's interesting, you know, ithink you know perhaps that you
know she's an alcoholic, she hasissues, she has issues with,
obviously, relationships andmarriage and she was in this,
(09:34):
you know, their favoritetogether.
Jorge and Sarah were togetherfor a bit there.
But again, it's interestingbecause usually with these kinds
of cases you're able to findout a ton of information right
about their background.
There's not much known here,you know, there really is about
their background.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, outside of the beating on each other, because
there was a police situation acouple years before he died,
right.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, so he had actually been arrested more than
she was, okay, but the last,her last offense was battery and
she tried to strangle him.
Oh, yeah, but they had.
I mean, it went back and forth,but he was basically always
(10:25):
locked up And, in fact, at thetime of his death, he was on
parole.
Oh, seriously, yeah, wow, okay.
So this takes place back.
This is Winter Park, florida,2020.
So this is three years ago,yeah, and her trial is supposed
to start July 24th.
(10:48):
Oh, okay, so in next month.
Yeah, and what's crazy aboutthat is it's taken forever, it's
been pushed and pushed And shehas been having so many issues
with all of her attorneys.
She's fired five of herattorneys.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh my goodness.
And there are reasons why.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
She doesn't like.
I think her, i think herattorney and her attorney.
She's still playing theinnocent.
This was an accident.
We were both drunk, I was tired.
She's like which is actuallysecond to be a murder.
It's not just how it justhappens, but their defense is
(11:33):
going to be battered woman thebattered woman defense which is
recognized in Florida.
She's also upset that a lot ofthe attorneys have these
meetings without her and they'rejust discussing the case while
she's locked up.
She doesn't understand whyshe's not getting involved.
She's written tons of lettersand they've actually recently
(11:53):
been published.
You can find these letters, butthey're intense.
She's just extremely upset.
I just keep wondering if she'sjust not.
She doesn't come offintelligent enough to be her own
defense.
I hate to say that, but itreally is.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Most people, i think, would not be, even if they were
lawyers.
if you're a killer, you wouldwant somebody else to be doing
it for you, because you're sonot in an analytical mind at
that point, because you'refighting for your life with
whatever happened.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, take the case of Ted Bundy, for instance.
I think one of the mostshocking things about that trial
was how it completely ended,with the judge kind of
commending him.
Yeah, It's like boy, son, thetwo jesheem, things didn't come
out differently.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You could have made a great attorney, and it's like
wow, what a thing to say, ithink that to Ted Bundy which
again, i don't think this womanWell, i mean, ted Bundy had gone
to law school, so he hadobviously that type of
compartmentalization in hisbrain.
(13:16):
But so now did she claim inthat first battery?
Because I saw, when I just kindof quickly looked at this case,
the fact that in 2018, when hesaid that Jorge said that she
tried to strangle him, did he,yeah, Did it ever come out that
(13:36):
they were essentially abusingeach other, or was it more of
she was defending herself fromhim?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
They were actually both.
They were both doing this toone another In multiple arrests.
Boone was arrested for batteryyeah, as we were discussing July
2018, and Torres had beenarrested three times for battery
and Sarah bailed him out everytime.
(14:06):
Oh, that's interesting.
So she bailed him out.
She bailed him out.
So yeah, it was just Herattorney.
her president attorney is goingto use battered spouse defense,
at which point I'm sure youhave her ex-husband on the stand
.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And did they divorce because of her drinking?
Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
earlier.
I mean it's interesting, yes,because he says once Lucas was
born she just kind of gotdepressed and became an
alcoholic and the drinking justkept progressing and getting
worse.
And he's just like I can't keepdoing this.
Yeah, i see So and I think heperhaps, perhaps she lived close
(14:56):
by so he can kind of check inon her.
They have a kid together So butyeah, it's going to be
interesting.
I mean, again, i think herletters to her attorneys and to
the judge she's written all haveto do with she wants to be more
involved and she's just not.
(15:17):
She feels like she's beingexcluded.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I see, i see.
And then what about Jorge'sex-girlfriends?
He was married before too.
Did they ever come out and sayhe was abusive to them?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
From what I've ever seen.
Yes, because the same he wasarrested for domestic abuse at
that time And they had threekids together.
I don't know his ex's name,Yeah, but yeah, yeah, but even
back then, like he'd always hada history of domestic abuse, i
thought it, i thought it, butit's a revolving door, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It's just I'm kind of wondering.
It's like okay, well, you havethis one woman who gets
depressed after she has her kid,which again smells of
postpartum depression Yeah, sheseems to have been doing a lot
of these cases and then sheturns to drink to essentially
help herself, which makes itworse, and then she falls in
(16:12):
with this guy who is alsoabusive, and then what does her?
well, what happened that night?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Also, i just want to point out that his mom, jorge's
mom, says, well, he wasn'tperfect, but he was a good son.
No, and she was, she was wellaware.
you know, and I think that's whyshe's able to forgive Sarah in
some way.
So you know they're, they'remaking a puzzle.
(16:42):
This is all according to SarahBoone.
Okay, they're making a puzzle.
Hanging out together and theyhave a bottle of wine and decide
to play hide and go seek.
They're just going to play agame of hide and go seek and he
hides in a suitcase.
And how big of a suitcase Likeis he?
He is kind of a slight andslender man, he's not very tall.
(17:07):
Okay, it's a big enough luggagewhere, yeah, you know, if
you're perhaps five, six andreally skinny, you can fit.
Wow, okay, it's definitely oneof those big jams with the
rollers and everything.
Now, Now?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
so here's my question .
Yeah, Is it from the inside orfrom the outside?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's always been my question too, and I so her.
she says that she left room forhim to breathe and then he
could just easily unzip it.
That from the first time Iheard of this, i didn't
understand why he was unable tozip it from the inside.
(17:49):
It's quite quite rare,especially these days, to not
have double zipper you know Also, but hold on a second.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So if she said they were playing hide and seek,
which means one person iscounting and then the other
person is hiding, then how inthe world is she leaving space
for him to breathe in?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Because eventually she thought the story goes she
finds him and unzips it a littleso he can breathe, i see, but
doesn't open it all the way AndI guess he's unable to get out.
So her story is like ah, youknow, I'm going to get him, like
I'll show him, like we'll havesome fun.
You know, i got to point out,like what's gone wrong,
(18:33):
precisely, precisely, got to saywhat makes this very
interesting is it's.
You know, we've heard of andseen so many suitcase deaths,
right, have we?
Well, you know, we yes, i meanyou, and I don't want to come in
We see so many suitcase deathsAll over the place.
You know, you hack the thumber,you hack up a body, you put the
(18:58):
pieces and limbs in thesuitcase, you put it in a taxi,
drive off and dump it right,right, right, right.
You had the case of that womanwho has you know, there's no
word for a male mistress Amattress.
What should we call a male?
(19:19):
you know what I'm saying?
Like, what do you call?
it's always like the boyfriendof this married woman, but like,
but not like, a mistress.
What's the guy?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
A mis, like a master and a mistress.
So what would be the master?
So that doesn't work either,right?
That's weird.
Yeah, the master, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Anyways, and they apparently killed her husband
and and chopped him up.
Just so many cases of choppingup and putting the pieces in a
luggage and ditching it This.
I can't recall any other casewhere the victim is alive And
then it's in the suitcase.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And suffocating.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
An outworkbasic gonna go, you know, continuing the
fun.
she's just like really loopy.
now, you know, it's like I'llleave him some space.
ha ha, you know like you'll getout.
and he does that all the time.
He's just always whining.
He cries wolf, you know we getcrazy.
He's always crying wolf.
and I went to sleep and I wokeup.
(20:21):
This is 11 hours later.
by the way, he's in thesuitcase for 11 hours.
I wake up and I'm just like, ohmy God, where is he?
I go downstairs and he's in abag.
I opened up the bag.
He couldn't get out.
Like it's so crazy.
I gave him CPR but he's likestill purple, you gotta get over
(20:43):
here.
Like her 911 calls.
basically, it's not just like,oh my God, please come over,
it's like, oh my God, i justwoke up.
She actually goes into heralibi and her story I'm the 911.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The 911 call Interesting interesting.
Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
So was there when I was readingthe app like looking for the
arrest thing, affidavit did theyactually have video of her
during this time.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yes.
So basically Chelsea, can we?
Jeez, it's either Camilla orConley.
Chelsea And Scott Lohan are thetwo detectives assigned to the
case And during theinterrogation they show her
(21:36):
these two.
She has two videos on her phone.
In both videos you hear Jorgefleeing with her and begging her
to let him out.
Oh my, yeah.
And so she's on the other endsaying ha ha ha, that's what you
get.
That's what you get.
(21:57):
So at the time they say that shethought that he was cheating on
her And the other thought hereis like that's just a red
herring.
What's obviously going on is hemust have hurt her recently And
this is her big payback.
Like she's basically had enough, right.
Which is why her attorneyswanna do the battered spouse And
(22:21):
even if you're living togetherand not married, i believe it
still counts Like you're still.
Like spouse doesn't have tomean married too, right.
But they sit down and show herthe video.
She doesn't wanna see it, likeat first.
Actually, what's really crazyabout the interrogation is first
(22:43):
they're like hey, do youremember this?
And then their computer dies.
So, now Sarah Boone's in theroom just like waiting for them
to charge the laptop So they canshow the video.
Finally they're showing thevideo.
She's watching a bit of it.
She's like do I have to watchthis?
So both videos mocking him.
He's like Sarah, sarah.
(23:03):
She says that's my name, don'tword out, oh my.
And the second video.
That's just the first video.
Second video the luggage is nowupside down.
It's been changed, it's in anew position and the pleas are
getting more desperate And herlaughing is just extraordinary.
It's just, you know, it's kindof like you get what you deserve
(23:27):
.
Yeah, it's pretty chilling.
And then she may have.
I believe that she wasintoxicated and drunk, because
why wouldn't you delete thosevideos?
Why are they keeping thosevideos?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And of course she totally forgot about them, that
they existed right.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Because she might have really been drunk and out
of it.
It's possible she may have justpassed out upstairs.
I don't, you know.
I don't think.
From watching the interrogationwith her and seeing footage of
her, you know there's body camfootage.
When she calls number one, theyshow up And she's boy.
(24:08):
her behavior is just so erratic.
Can I have a Dr Pepper?
I need my Dr Pepper.
Can I get a cigarette?
Do you have a cigarette?
The cop is just like look, justsit down.
Oh wow, we have to figure outwhat's going on.
Yeah, yeah.
No, i think she's freaking outbecause she didn't mean for this
to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Mm-hmm, but it happened, but it happened, right
right.
So that's kind of where thenon-premeditated like it was.
She was drunk, she thought shewas getting back at him in some
way and then he ended up dying,so it wasn't fully in cold blood
.
At the same time, it kind ofwas because, right Like, yeah,
(24:51):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And she tells the cops they're gonna think I
killed him, meaning the familyLike his family's gonna think
that she killed him.
That's interesting.
It's a rather bizarre thing tosay as soon as the I mean she
really Like, why did he evencare?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Like what do you mean ?
I mean that's yeah, that'sinteresting, that that's what
she would be worried about.
Like what about?
hey, i'm gonna go to jail andnot see my kid again, i don't
know, right, that would be Right.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
She knows that he has three kids, Right, exactly.
Actually, what's interestingabout the interrogation and them
confronting her with her camerafootage?
she says she doesn't wanna seethe phone video, But she also
says she doesn't recall what'son the phone videos.
So why would you wanna like,why say you don't wanna see it?
(25:45):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That is weird.
I don't remember taking thevideos.
Well, we're gonna show them toyou.
I don't wanna see them.
I don't wanna see them.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right, right.
Do you think?
has she ever shown remorse forhim dying?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, yes, But it's.
I have not seen her cry, Youknow, when she was a rain, when
she's body cam.
It's really more about herfreaking out and like she can't
believe it, Right.
Like in a way, it's like I didlike look what's happening to me
(26:25):
, i don't, i can't believe it,like I just went to sleep, right
.
But when he's again, when youwatch these videos, you see the
videos while she's laughing younotice on the suitcase that
there it's actually not a littleunzipped for him to continue
unzipping from the inside, yeah,and there are lacerations and
(26:49):
bruises on his back and on hisneck from the wriggling around
and also being tossed upsidedown and yeah, oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
So he was trying to get out of that suitcase and,
like really, he put up a fightthen, yeah, he put up a fight,
he's trying to get out, wow.
That's a really horrifying wayto die.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Absolutely.
I mean it's, it's a, it's astrangulation.
Without the strangulation, It'scomplete suffocation and it's
long, you know?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, It's it's way long.
There's a lot of suffering inthat, in that whole scenario.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yes, yeah, it really is quite shocking.
And then she, you know, briancalled her that morning.
Her ex-husband called thatmorning to make sure that she
was going to pick up Lucas fromschool, because that was the
(27:50):
plan And she just neverresponded.
She slept, she claimed sheslept really late.
You know, she calls the copsand they show up around 12.30, 1
o'clock.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh, in the afternoon.
Okay, so she slept in all theway to that then, which I mean,
if she was drunk, that tracksright, right Up late and then,
you know, passes out.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Also, it's interesting, you know, when
you're on, they say, withalcohol the transfer of memories
from short to long term can beblocked.
Yeah, yeah, i mean that she mayhave really forgotten about the
videos.
She may have really forgottenabout him being in the suitcase.
I mean, we don't know howintoxicated she was.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Right, exactly, exactly.
So she maybe has like some sortof distant memory, or maybe she
doesn't remember And then,because she does obviously feel
guilty, then she doesn't want towatch the videos, because then
that's essentially like showsher the person she is when she's
drunk.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Right, right.
And then maybe you know youhave to also look into their
history of domestic abuse.
Is it always under theinfluence?
Are these instances under theinfluence, therefore making it
easier for her to seek this sortof revenge that winds up in
this terrible way?
During the interrogation shesays to the cops I don't think
(29:24):
you understand who I am.
I've always been a straight, astudent.
Oh no, i am an outstandingmother to my son.
I excel at everything.
That's an actual quotation fromher interrogation.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So it's.
I mean, I would have excelledat this if I had planned to kill
him and I didn't do this,because this is a gigantic mess
and I'm about to go to jail forit.
This isn't me.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like this weird, likehow can it be me?
I'm like an outstanding mom,like I'm so smart at school,
right, right, it's really so.
It's this.
It's a true back and forthbetween you know, i mean what.
(30:16):
They're going to use thesevideos again digital age, cell
phone videos.
They're going to be.
It's the Snapchat, it's AlexMartel all over again.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, because they have the footage, they have
the evidence.
So, whatever she says, whoevershe is, they have video footage
of her being like I'm notletting you out.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
And it's really damning.
I don't.
That's the thing that I thinkis going to hurt.
You know, i mean I could haveseen her getting the first
degree, based upon their history, and maybe this might have been
your back.
I mean it's also, you know, didshe really go to bed?
(30:58):
There's just so many questionsto this case that I guess we'll
find out in July.
Finally, i mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But then at the same time it's really there was
nobody else in the house, Sooutside of the videos, it's just
really.
Are you going to believe herstory, Right?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Right, and that's what it all boils down to, and
that, that, again, is where this, the the video evidence, is
just so damning because itreally leads one to believe this
was intentional.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, it was intentional.
And she also gives motives inthem.
Being, like you, cheated on me,i'm going to get you now.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, because of what you did
to me talk, yeah, and the factthat she flips it over.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Right, exactly, you're like you're messing
around with it.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
On Florida women Come on, you're going to kill your
boyfriend.
That's just in a suitcase,really.
Yeah And no.
But I mean it sounds likeanother one of those tragedies
that you have to mentally unwellpeople, right, because they're
both apocalyptic.
She has depression, they'reessentially he's beating on her,
(32:13):
he's fighting back and choke,like it's just seems like such a
a violent and unhealthyrelationship that I guess there
is, you know, no surprise, sadly, that it ended with one of them
deceased And she's probablygoing to be in bars for the rest
of her life.
(32:35):
So, yeah, just it's kind of atragedy in like, if you took the
suitcase out, which makes thisa really weird case.
It's just very tragic, you know, like now there's like four
kids who don't, are not going tohave their parents and there's
a guy who's lost his life.
I mean not that I ever want tobe kind to an abuser, because
(32:56):
obviously he was an abusive guy,but it was really sad that she
couldn't just leave him right,like, kick him out of her place
and instead turn to this, whichis like such a seems like a
desperate act when you'retelling the story, but then
those videos, is like, seem sopetty.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right, I don't.
My whole thing is, we wereplaying hide and go seek.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
How is that a good story?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't know about you, but I can't.
Can you remember the last timeyou were chilling with your
husband, just being like?
this wine is making me feel sogood.
Let's do some hide and seek,like we just completed a puzzle.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
We just completed a puzzle.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The time goes to time .
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, i just I mean, But you, know it's, i think
another way to How long is shegoing to get him into the?
well, I mean, if her story isnot true, how did she get him
into the suitcase?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Exactly, that's exactly right, that's.
And if he does hide in it, it'sincredible to me that that
would be his hiding place.
Like there's a good place.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm going to go hide in a suitcase that I can't
breathe it.
That's like somebody going andhiding in a in a refrigerator
being like, oh yeah, i don'thave to care about, this is a
perfect place to hide, which Imean.
I guess yes, they were drunkbut like a five foot six, even
if he's a thin skinny guy whowants to like pretzel themselves
(34:42):
to get into a, into a, into asuitcase, unless, of course, she
dared him Like I mean, i don't,how do you get into a suitcase
of your own volition?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And if he did do it on his own.
And it must mean that she's atthe whole thing up Right,
Because, especially again, ifwe're going with the thing that
there's no double zip, one onthe inside, one on the outside
right He's hiding in there.
He's unable to zip himself inRight, So she's got to be like
(35:13):
oh, he's in there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
A zip him out Now.
So here's another theory.
I wonder what the theory of theprosecution is is.
Was he passed out drunk?
but then that's dead weight.
To get him into the suitcase,like stuff him in there, which
would be definitely much morelike premeditated versus
accidental, and then kind oflike stuff him inside, but again
(35:38):
that's heavy dead weight.
Five foot six, i mean, he'sgoing to like weigh at least
even 150 pounds.
That's going to be hard.
She's a thin lady, but I can't.
Yeah, just I guess that's.
The great mystery is how did heget himself into that suitcase?
Ah yeah, double Like doubleTop�inate.
That truck says.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, i mean, if they do have this and they do
history of domestic violence,she could have done this in
another way.
You know?
that's what's interesting to me.
I think she just took fullopportunity of him.
Maybe he was messing around,maybe they're drunk, maybe he's
really happy they finished thepuzzle and he wanted to
celebrate by getting in asuitcase.
(36:15):
The way she tells this story,it makes me feel as though
there's a lot of truth and thereare just some lies.
It's a tip of the ball.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
So they were actually playing hide and seek and she
said, oh, or maybe it was one ofthose.
Like, hey, drunk boyfriend, ibet you can't change yourself
into the suitcase.
Yeah, my boyfriend's like, yeah, i can do it, i can do it, i'm
macho.
And then she sets them up andthere you go, right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yes, i wish that were a thing.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
men pooping there, you know like you know, a cheese
mo by zipping themselves intosuitcases.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yes, Like oh, you're a man, huh I'm getting this.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Go, get into the suitcase, go, let's see how
little you can make yourself.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm too excited She didn't just drag it off the luck
, that suitcase that is with himin it, and dump it somewhere.
Yeah, she didn't freak out too.
I mean she calls 911.
She claims she does through theCPR.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Now, did they find any other?
like, yeah, there was abrasionson his back, but did he get
like hit on the head?
Like is there a way that hewas-?
No signs of that, No signs ofthat.
Well then, I guess in the videohe's yelling at her to get him
out And she's like, nah, you'restaying in there.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Again during the autopsy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
She must have lured him into that suitcase.
There was no hide and seek,there was like some sort of
luring situation.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I mean, i think that's what's gonna be really
interesting.
You know you have the video,which is great for the
prosecution, but yeah, toexplain, you know her defense
may be that that he did that onhis own, you know, like she had
nothing to do with that, and itjust so happens she was not
(38:14):
allowed to do it And again, shemay not get life.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, no, especially if they I mean, listen, dudes
batter women.
I think what is it every minuteor something?
I mean, there's so many guyswho beat on their wives and
girlfriends that their mom'ssure there's gonna be women on
the jury who be like yeah, hebeat on you.
This was probably some form ofself-defense, even though the
(38:41):
videos are so damning, But evenso, they still have a history of
abuse towards each other Andyou could say it's like, well,
he's thin and little, but she'sthin and little.
So, but because men have so muchupper body strength as compared
to women, like he could stillbe overpowering her And she was
really just trying to save herlife and was so broken that, you
(39:06):
know, she tried to strangle him.
Like I think that the defense,because of how many men batter
women, that's not a stretch,right?
So, yeah, i could totally.
I don't think she's gonna getoff, but I don't think she's
gonna get life either, becauseit'll be more of like a sort of
self-defense situation, which is, i think, this way to go for
(39:27):
them at this point.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I mean, again, he had been arrested in their cases of
domestic violence more than shewas, yeah, and it's possible
that she just could have.
She probably felt a lot ofresentment every time he's going
in and she's bailing him out,yeah, and I think it was like.
You know, she's probablyfiguring enough already And, in
(39:50):
addition, you know it's not somuch I get this, it's not so
much about the cheating, but itreally is about the abuse for
her.
You know it's also mentioned inthe video, like this you know,
this is what you did to me.
It's like this kind of revenge,you know, yeah, yeah, but again
, a revenge.
Where it's conceivable, she mayhave thought that she unzipped
(40:12):
it a little for him, right?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And that's what they're gonna have.
So he's gonna make them reallyuncomfortable, but not kill him
Right, whereas he ended up dying.
Oof, what a crazy, crazy case.
I mean, you see, yeah crazysuitcase has some weird things
hide and seek.
You just never would think thatthose would come.
You know, dead dude in asuitcase.
(40:35):
They were playing hide and seek.
It's kind of a.
It's a bit of it's bit fruitloops, but again.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I suggest and I highly recommend on their
available on YouTube, watchingboth the body cam footage of one
sheep and the interrogation.
The interrogation theinterrogators, rather, are just
are horrible.
The way that they conductthemselves.
are he's on the phone, he'slike on his cell phone while
(41:04):
this interrogation's happening.
Oh right, there's supposed tobe.
yeah, the way to see it's just,it's kind of insane.
And usually that's like a ploy,that's like a trick, yeah, but
in this case it's just not.
it's very sloppy.
but the interrogation's veryinteresting.
just to watch her and how shewas responding to all this stuff
(41:24):
.
Okay, but definitely check outthe body cam because she's
frantic and her behavior's justso bizarre really.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Okay, so this another lady killer for you guys.
Thank you for joining us andwe'll.
I think we should switch overto some dudes.
Maybe we do some classic ones.
I mean, i know we mentioned TedBundy, but I don't know if we
wanna fully go there, becauseit's the summer, we have kids
around.
I like the hard to research.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
What do you think of the Weepy Voice Killer?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Oh, the Weepy Voice Killer.
Yes, a good old favorite.
Maybe we can even put some ofhis Weepy Voice on the show.
Yeah, let's talk to the WeepyVoice dude.
Okay, sweet, thank you forjoining us and sorry that we're
a couple days late with this.
But again, seventh circle ofhell of children and camps and
(42:25):
schedules.
Hopefully we'll have ironed outthe kinks for next week and
otherwise, stay cool, because Iknow half of the country is like
in 120 degrees sweltering andthe other part is smoky.
So take care of yourselves outthere and we'll see you next
week.
Oh my goodness.
So this crazy case.
Hey everybody, welcome to theDeviant Mind.
This is Dominica.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And this is Christopher.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And I have been in the seventh circle of hell of
camp and children and everything.
So I think Chris might betaking the lead on this crazy
case.
Oh crap, and of course I justhad the doll.
I don't know, did you hear thedollar thing go off?
No, oh man, zoom is amazing, idid not That's amazing.
(00:35):
Okay, so we have another case,another lady killer, also from
the crazy state of Florida,which I apologize to all
listeners coming from Florida.
But what are you guys smokingdown there?
I mean, it's just got somenutty, nutty stuff happening.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's a hotbed for just anything goes.
Anything goes Sex withcrocodiles, shooting people in
the butt over crackers.
You know it's just it's wild.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What's going on with you people, Florida?
So this week we are doing thecase of Sarah Boone, whose
boyfriend mysteriously died in asuitcase while she watched,
Allegedly.
Allegedly She claims she wentto bed.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I mean this whole case is really nutty And it's
because she's nutty and herdefense is, i mean we'll get
into all that.
But this happened in WinterPark, florida.
So I have no idea what it'snear, if it's near Tampa Bay, if
it's near Miami or a land.
(01:56):
I have no clue where WinterPark sits.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Strange name for a town in Florida, don't you think
?
Unless, of course, it's likeyou have all the snowbirds
coming down from the New Englanddown to Florida And so you're
like, oh, it's Winter Park,because it's all this.
where are the snowbirds lived?
But anyway, a little randomaside, because, like Winter Park
in Florida, why Florida?
Why?
Why are you so weird?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Why Florida?
Why And hey, we're only basingthis on, these are our opinions
based on what we see You know,there is definitely a trend in
crazy events in cases stemmingfrom Florida.
So it's really, hey, it's whatwe're seeing, right, It's?
(02:43):
we don't mean to offend Florida, but boy, what is happening.
There's always been anunderbelly to that state.
It feels.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yes, it has been Like yeah, like just a little kooky,
i'm thinking maybe the humidityand the heat and it just being
Florida.
You know, florida was the placewhere they thought they could
find the Mountain of Youth.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh, right right.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What happened, florida?
What happened?
Anyway, we'll get off bashingFlorida for a hot second.
And so tell me about SarahBoone, have you been able to?
because this is like you knowthis with these cases that we do
, because sometimes they're notas popular as other cases.
There isn't that muchinformation on the suspect and
(03:38):
the and the victim, becausethey've pretty much led their
lives as private citizens Andeven you know I found some
arrest affidavits of theirs froma couple years prior, but
before that there isn't much oflike Facebook or Instagram or
(03:59):
any you know I like.
Do you know what she even didfor a living?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So here is a.
Yes, i have.
You know there is very limitedbackground information for the
both of them, but in my researchyou know, who came to mind and
who popped up was and this isreally kind of funny, but not
funny, but more about thecoincidence or irony of this
(04:27):
Sarah Boone was a woman who wasborn into slavery in 1832.
And in 1847, she married JamesBoone, who's a free black man,
and she gains her freedomNovember 25, 1847, right, they
have eight children together.
But before they have childrentogether, they actually are part
(04:51):
of the Underground Railroad Andthey travel from Connecticut.
They go to Connecticut fromCraven County, north Carolina,
right before the Civil War.
Fascinating, right.
So that's that, sarah Boone.
She said, quote if you have astory, make sure it's a whole
one with details close to hand.
(05:11):
It's the difference between agood lie and getting caught.
Oh, wow.
And so you bring that totoday's Sarah Boone with her
boyfriend, you know, in asuitcase, yes.
And so, starting with thevictim, what I know about Jorge
(05:33):
Torres is that he was bornFebruary 13, 1978 in
Philadelphia.
He's actually the father ofthree and has a history of
domestic violence prior to beingboyfriend to Sarah Boone.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So he was a violent guy then.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Correct And at the time of at the start of their
relationship for Hey and Sarah,he didn't.
He didn't have a job And, ibelieve he passed away.
He was still unemployed And hewas a confirmed alcoholic, and
so was she.
(06:14):
So they were both 42 years oldat this.
At the time of his death, andSarah Boone again, not much is
known other than she has acouple of siblings.
Both of them have, i believe, asibling, if not like more.
(06:37):
But I was able to find out thatshe was married, prior to being
with Jorge, to Brian, this guy,brian.
They had a child named Lucas.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So were there any?
I'm sorry to interrupt you, butwere there any children living
in were living with them at thetime of Jorge's death?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
No, no, so there were no children there.
What's interesting here is thatwhen Brian files for divorce in
2017, she never had a job.
She never held down a job afterthe divorce and was able to
live off alimony, and that's howshe was able to afford this
(07:30):
condo where she and Jorge live.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Okay, I see.
So they were kind of like notwanting to say layabouts, but
she's on alimony and then is hejust grifting off of her then.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Correct.
They're basically both withouta job.
they're both alcoholics.
Brian kept in touch with herbecause they do have a child
together And he said that herdrinking just got worse, like
(08:04):
once they got the worst.
he just noticed a completedifference in her and she yeah,
yeah, sadly became alcoholic.
She's very incidentally, herex-husband is very sympathetic
towards her and like reallyfeels for her.
And at the time of this event.
He's the first person she callsbecause he lives near the condo
(08:27):
apartment complex, right,that's interesting.
So that's interesting.
He's there on the scenebasically when the cops show up
and then she calls 911 with thisincredible story, i see.
But yeah, i mean, this casereally has a lot you know, again
, not much information known.
I can tell you that Jorge'smother was the first to come out
(08:51):
and speak to the media and tryto shine a light on her son's
bizarre death.
But she also says that sheforgives Sarah, which is
interesting because during herinterrogation, Sarah Boone says
(09:13):
that she feels that her, thathis family, never liked her and
they called her the white dragon.
It's interesting, you know, ithink you know perhaps that you
know she's an alcoholic, she hasissues, she has issues with,
obviously, relationships andmarriage and she was in this,
(09:34):
you know, their favoritetogether.
Jorge and Sarah were togetherfor a bit there.
But again, it's interestingbecause usually with these kinds
of cases you're able to findout a ton of information right
about their background.
There's not much known here,you know, there really is about
their background.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, outside of the beating on each other, because
there was a police situation acouple years before he died,
right.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, so he had actually been arrested more than
she was, okay, but the last,her last offense was battery and
she tried to strangle him.
Oh, yeah, but they had.
I mean, it went back and forth,but he was basically always
(10:25):
locked up And, in fact, at thetime of his death, he was on
parole.
Oh, seriously, yeah, wow, okay.
So this takes place back.
This is Winter Park, florida,2020.
So this is three years ago,yeah, and her trial is supposed
to start July 24th.
(10:48):
Oh, okay, so in next month.
Yeah, and what's crazy aboutthat is it's taken forever, it's
been pushed and pushed And shehas been having so many issues
with all of her attorneys.
She's fired five of herattorneys.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh my goodness.
And there are reasons why.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
She doesn't like.
I think her, i think herattorney and her attorney.
She's still playing theinnocent.
This was an accident.
We were both drunk, I was tired.
She's like which is actuallysecond to be a murder.
It's not just how it justhappens, but their defense is
(11:33):
going to be battered woman thebattered woman defense which is
recognized in Florida.
She's also upset that a lot ofthe attorneys have these
meetings without her and they'rejust discussing the case while
she's locked up.
She doesn't understand whyshe's not getting involved.
She's written tons of lettersand they've actually recently
(11:53):
been published.
You can find these letters, butthey're intense.
She's just extremely upset.
I just keep wondering if she'sjust not.
She doesn't come offintelligent enough to be her own
defense.
I hate to say that, but itreally is.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Most people, i think, would not be, even if they were
lawyers.
if you're a killer, you wouldwant somebody else to be doing
it for you, because you're sonot in an analytical mind at
that point, because you'refighting for your life with
whatever happened.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, take the case of Ted Bundy, for instance.
I think one of the mostshocking things about that trial
was how it completely ended,with the judge kind of
commending him.
Yeah, It's like boy, son, thetwo jesheem, things didn't come
out differently.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You could have made a great attorney, and it's like
wow, what a thing to say, ithink that to Ted Bundy which
again, i don't think this womanWell, i mean, ted Bundy had gone
to law school, so he hadobviously that type of
compartmentalization in hisbrain.
(13:16):
But so now did she claim inthat first battery?
Because I saw, when I just kindof quickly looked at this case,
the fact that in 2018, when hesaid that Jorge said that she
tried to strangle him, did he,yeah, Did it ever come out that
(13:36):
they were essentially abusingeach other, or was it more of
she was defending herself fromhim?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
They were actually both.
They were both doing this toone another In multiple arrests.
Boone was arrested for batteryyeah, as we were discussing July
2018, and Torres had beenarrested three times for battery
and Sarah bailed him out everytime.
(14:06):
Oh, that's interesting.
So she bailed him out.
She bailed him out.
So yeah, it was just Herattorney.
her president attorney is goingto use battered spouse defense,
at which point I'm sure youhave her ex-husband on the stand
.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And did they divorce because of her drinking?
Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
earlier.
I mean it's interesting, yes,because he says once Lucas was
born she just kind of gotdepressed and became an
alcoholic and the drinking justkept progressing and getting
worse.
And he's just like I can't keepdoing this.
Yeah, i see So and I think heperhaps, perhaps she lived close
(14:56):
by so he can kind of check inon her.
They have a kid together So butyeah, it's going to be
interesting.
I mean, again, i think herletters to her attorneys and to
the judge she's written all haveto do with she wants to be more
involved and she's just not.
(15:17):
She feels like she's beingexcluded.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I see, i see.
And then what about Jorge'sex-girlfriends?
He was married before too.
Did they ever come out and sayhe was abusive to them?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
From what I've ever seen.
Yes, because the same he wasarrested for domestic abuse at
that time And they had threekids together.
I don't know his ex's name,Yeah, but yeah, yeah, but even
back then, like he'd always hada history of domestic abuse, i
thought it, i thought it, butit's a revolving door, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It's just I'm kind of wondering.
It's like okay, well, you havethis one woman who gets
depressed after she has her kid,which again smells of
postpartum depression Yeah, sheseems to have been doing a lot
of these cases and then sheturns to drink to essentially
help herself, which makes itworse, and then she falls in
(16:12):
with this guy who is alsoabusive, and then what does her?
well, what happened that night?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Also, i just want to point out that his mom, jorge's
mom, says, well, he wasn'tperfect, but he was a good son.
No, and she was, she was wellaware.
you know, and I think that's whyshe's able to forgive Sarah in
some way.
So you know they're, they'remaking a puzzle.
(16:42):
This is all according to SarahBoone.
Okay, they're making a puzzle.
Hanging out together and theyhave a bottle of wine and decide
to play hide and go seek.
They're just going to play agame of hide and go seek and he
hides in a suitcase.
And how big of a suitcase Likeis he?
He is kind of a slight andslender man, he's not very tall.
(17:07):
Okay, it's a big enough luggagewhere, yeah, you know, if
you're perhaps five, six andreally skinny, you can fit.
Wow, okay, it's definitely oneof those big jams with the
rollers and everything.
Now, Now?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
so here's my question .
Yeah, Is it from the inside orfrom the outside?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's always been my question too, and I so her.
she says that she left room forhim to breathe and then he
could just easily unzip it.
That from the first time Iheard of this, i didn't
understand why he was unable tozip it from the inside.
(17:49):
It's quite quite rare,especially these days, to not
have double zipper you know Also, but hold on a second.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So if she said they were playing hide and seek,
which means one person iscounting and then the other
person is hiding, then how inthe world is she leaving space
for him to breathe in?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Because eventually she thought the story goes she
finds him and unzips it a littleso he can breathe, i see, but
doesn't open it all the way AndI guess he's unable to get out.
So her story is like ah, youknow, I'm going to get him, like
I'll show him, like we'll havesome fun.
You know, i got to point out,like what's gone wrong,
(18:33):
precisely, precisely, got to saywhat makes this very
interesting is it's.
You know, we've heard of andseen so many suitcase deaths,
right, have we?
Well, you know, we yes, i meanyou, and I don't want to come in
We see so many suitcase deathsAll over the place.
You know, you hack the thumber,you hack up a body, you put the
(18:58):
pieces and limbs in thesuitcase, you put it in a taxi,
drive off and dump it right,right, right, right.
You had the case of that womanwho has you know, there's no
word for a male mistress Amattress.
What should we call a male?
(19:19):
you know what I'm saying?
Like, what do you call?
it's always like the boyfriendof this married woman, but like,
but not like, a mistress.
What's the guy?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
A mis, like a master and a mistress.
So what would be the master?
So that doesn't work either,right?
That's weird.
Yeah, the master, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Anyways, and they apparently killed her husband
and and chopped him up.
Just so many cases of choppingup and putting the pieces in a
luggage and ditching it This.
I can't recall any other casewhere the victim is alive And
then it's in the suitcase.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And suffocating.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
An outworkbasic gonna go, you know, continuing the
fun.
she's just like really loopy.
now, you know, it's like I'llleave him some space.
ha ha, you know like you'll getout.
and he does that all the time.
He's just always whining.
He cries wolf, you know we getcrazy.
He's always crying wolf.
and I went to sleep and I wokeup.
(20:21):
This is 11 hours later.
by the way, he's in thesuitcase for 11 hours.
I wake up and I'm just like, ohmy God, where is he?
I go downstairs and he's in abag.
I opened up the bag.
He couldn't get out.
Like it's so crazy.
I gave him CPR but he's likestill purple, you gotta get over
(20:43):
here.
Like her 911 calls.
basically, it's not just like,oh my God, please come over,
it's like, oh my God, i justwoke up.
She actually goes into heralibi and her story I'm the 911.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The 911 call Interesting interesting.
Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
So was there when I was readingthe app like looking for the
arrest thing, affidavit did theyactually have video of her
during this time.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yes.
So basically Chelsea, can we?
Jeez, it's either Camilla orConley.
Chelsea And Scott Lohan are thetwo detectives assigned to the
case And during theinterrogation they show her
(21:36):
these two.
She has two videos on her phone.
In both videos you hear Jorgefleeing with her and begging her
to let him out.
Oh my, yeah.
And so she's on the other endsaying ha ha ha, that's what you
get.
That's what you get.
(21:57):
So at the time they say that shethought that he was cheating on
her And the other thought hereis like that's just a red
herring.
What's obviously going on is hemust have hurt her recently And
this is her big payback.
Like she's basically had enough, right.
Which is why her attorneyswanna do the battered spouse And
(22:21):
even if you're living togetherand not married, i believe it
still counts Like you're still.
Like spouse doesn't have tomean married too, right.
But they sit down and show herthe video.
She doesn't wanna see it, likeat first.
Actually, what's really crazyabout the interrogation is first
(22:43):
they're like hey, do youremember this?
And then their computer dies.
So, now Sarah Boone's in theroom just like waiting for them
to charge the laptop So they canshow the video.
Finally they're showing thevideo.
She's watching a bit of it.
She's like do I have to watchthis?
So both videos mocking him.
He's like Sarah, sarah.
(23:03):
She says that's my name, don'tword out, oh my.
And the second video.
That's just the first video.
Second video the luggage is nowupside down.
It's been changed, it's in anew position and the pleas are
getting more desperate And herlaughing is just extraordinary.
It's just, you know, it's kindof like you get what you deserve
(23:27):
.
Yeah, it's pretty chilling.
And then she may have.
I believe that she wasintoxicated and drunk, because
why wouldn't you delete thosevideos?
Why are they keeping thosevideos?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And of course she totally forgot about them, that
they existed right.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Because she might have really been drunk and out
of it.
It's possible she may have justpassed out upstairs.
I don't, you know.
I don't think.
From watching the interrogationwith her and seeing footage of
her, you know there's body camfootage.
When she calls number one, theyshow up And she's boy.
(24:08):
her behavior is just so erratic.
Can I have a Dr Pepper?
I need my Dr Pepper.
Can I get a cigarette?
Do you have a cigarette?
The cop is just like look, justsit down.
Oh wow, we have to figure outwhat's going on.
Yeah, yeah.
No, i think she's freaking outbecause she didn't mean for this
to happen.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Mm-hmm, but it happened, but it happened, right
right.
So that's kind of where thenon-premeditated like it was.
She was drunk, she thought shewas getting back at him in some
way and then he ended up dying,so it wasn't fully in cold blood
.
At the same time, it kind ofwas because, right Like, yeah,
(24:51):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And she tells the cops they're gonna think I
killed him, meaning the familyLike his family's gonna think
that she killed him.
That's interesting.
It's a rather bizarre thing tosay as soon as the I mean she
really Like, why did he evencare?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Like what do you mean ?
I mean that's yeah, that'sinteresting, that that's what
she would be worried about.
Like what about?
hey, i'm gonna go to jail andnot see my kid again, i don't
know, right, that would be Right.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
She knows that he has three kids, Right, exactly.
Actually, what's interestingabout the interrogation and them
confronting her with her camerafootage?
she says she doesn't wanna seethe phone video, But she also
says she doesn't recall what'son the phone videos.
So why would you wanna like,why say you don't wanna see it?
(25:45):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That is weird.
I don't remember taking thevideos.
Well, we're gonna show them toyou.
I don't wanna see them.
I don't wanna see them.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right, right.
Do you think?
has she ever shown remorse forhim dying?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, yes, But it's.
I have not seen her cry, Youknow, when she was a rain, when
she's body cam.
It's really more about herfreaking out and like she can't
believe it, Right.
Like in a way, it's like I didlike look what's happening to me
(26:25):
, i don't, i can't believe it,like I just went to sleep, right
.
But when he's again, when youwatch these videos, you see the
videos while she's laughing younotice on the suitcase that
there it's actually not a littleunzipped for him to continue
unzipping from the inside, yeah,and there are lacerations and
(26:49):
bruises on his back and on hisneck from the wriggling around
and also being tossed upsidedown and yeah, oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
So he was trying to get out of that suitcase and,
like really, he put up a fightthen, yeah, he put up a fight,
he's trying to get out, wow.
That's a really horrifying wayto die.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Absolutely.
I mean it's, it's a, it's astrangulation.
Without the strangulation, It'scomplete suffocation and it's
long, you know?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, It's it's way long.
There's a lot of suffering inthat, in that whole scenario.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yes, yeah, it really is quite shocking.
And then she, you know, briancalled her that morning.
Her ex-husband called thatmorning to make sure that she
was going to pick up Lucas fromschool, because that was the
(27:50):
plan And she just neverresponded.
She slept, she claimed sheslept really late.
You know, she calls the copsand they show up around 12.30, 1
o'clock.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh, in the afternoon.
Okay, so she slept in all theway to that then, which I mean,
if she was drunk, that tracksright, right Up late and then,
you know, passes out.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Also, it's interesting, you know, when
you're on, they say, withalcohol the transfer of memories
from short to long term can beblocked.
Yeah, yeah, i mean that she mayhave really forgotten about the
videos.
She may have really forgottenabout him being in the suitcase.
I mean, we don't know howintoxicated she was.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Right, exactly, exactly.
So she maybe has like some sortof distant memory, or maybe she
doesn't remember And then,because she does obviously feel
guilty, then she doesn't want towatch the videos, because then
that's essentially like showsher the person she is when she's
drunk.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Right, right.
And then maybe you know youhave to also look into their
history of domestic abuse.
Is it always under theinfluence?
Are these instances under theinfluence, therefore making it
easier for her to seek this sortof revenge that winds up in
this terrible way?
During the interrogation shesays to the cops I don't think
(29:24):
you understand who I am.
I've always been a straight, astudent.
Oh no, i am an outstandingmother to my son.
I excel at everything.
That's an actual quotation fromher interrogation.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So it's.
I mean, I would have excelledat this if I had planned to kill
him and I didn't do this,because this is a gigantic mess
and I'm about to go to jail forit.
This isn't me.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like this weird, likehow can it be me?
I'm like an outstanding mom,like I'm so smart at school,
right, right, it's really so.
It's this.
It's a true back and forthbetween you know, i mean what.
(30:16):
They're going to use thesevideos again digital age, cell
phone videos.
They're going to be.
It's the Snapchat, it's AlexMartel all over again.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, because they have the footage, they have
the evidence.
So, whatever she says, whoevershe is, they have video footage
of her being like I'm notletting you out.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
And it's really damning.
I don't.
That's the thing that I thinkis going to hurt.
You know, i mean I could haveseen her getting the first
degree, based upon their history, and maybe this might have been
your back.
I mean it's also, you know, didshe really go to bed?
(30:58):
There's just so many questionsto this case that I guess we'll
find out in July.
Finally, i mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But then at the same time it's really there was
nobody else in the house, Sooutside of the videos, it's just
really.
Are you going to believe herstory, Right?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Right, and that's what it all boils down to, and
that, that, again, is where this, the the video evidence, is
just so damning because itreally leads one to believe this
was intentional.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, it was intentional.
And she also gives motives inthem.
Being, like you, cheated on me,i'm going to get you now.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, because of what you did
to me talk, yeah, and the factthat she flips it over.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Right, exactly, you're like you're messing
around with it.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
On Florida women Come on, you're going to kill your
boyfriend.
That's just in a suitcase,really.
Yeah And no.
But I mean it sounds likeanother one of those tragedies
that you have to mentally unwellpeople, right, because they're
both apocalyptic.
She has depression, they'reessentially he's beating on her,
(32:13):
he's fighting back and choke,like it's just seems like such a
a violent and unhealthyrelationship that I guess there
is, you know, no surprise, sadly, that it ended with one of them
deceased And she's probablygoing to be in bars for the rest
of her life.
(32:35):
So, yeah, just it's kind of atragedy in like, if you took the
suitcase out, which makes thisa really weird case.
It's just very tragic, you know, like now there's like four
kids who don't, are not going tohave their parents and there's
a guy who's lost his life.
I mean not that I ever want tobe kind to an abuser, because
(32:56):
obviously he was an abusive guy,but it was really sad that she
couldn't just leave him right,like, kick him out of her place
and instead turn to this, whichis like such a seems like a
desperate act when you'retelling the story, but then
those videos, is like, seem sopetty.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right, I don't.
My whole thing is, we wereplaying hide and go seek.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
How is that a good story?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't know about you, but I can't.
Can you remember the last timeyou were chilling with your
husband, just being like?
this wine is making me feel sogood.
Let's do some hide and seek,like we just completed a puzzle.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
We just completed a puzzle.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The time goes to time .
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, i just I mean, But you, know it's, i think
another way to How long is shegoing to get him into the?
well, I mean, if her story isnot true, how did she get him
into the suitcase?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Exactly, that's exactly right, that's.
And if he does hide in it, it'sincredible to me that that
would be his hiding place.
Like there's a good place.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm going to go hide in a suitcase that I can't
breathe it.
That's like somebody going andhiding in a in a refrigerator
being like, oh yeah, i don'thave to care about, this is a
perfect place to hide, which Imean.
I guess yes, they were drunkbut like a five foot six, even
if he's a thin skinny guy whowants to like pretzel themselves
(34:42):
to get into a, into a, into asuitcase, unless, of course, she
dared him Like I mean, i don't,how do you get into a suitcase
of your own volition?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And if he did do it on his own.
And it must mean that she's atthe whole thing up Right,
Because, especially again, ifwe're going with the thing that
there's no double zip, one onthe inside, one on the outside
right He's hiding in there.
He's unable to zip himself inRight, So she's got to be like
(35:13):
oh, he's in there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
A zip him out Now.
So here's another theory.
I wonder what the theory of theprosecution is is.
Was he passed out drunk?
but then that's dead weight.
To get him into the suitcase,like stuff him in there, which
would be definitely much morelike premeditated versus
accidental, and then kind oflike stuff him inside, but again
(35:38):
that's heavy dead weight.
Five foot six, i mean, he'sgoing to like weigh at least
even 150 pounds.
That's going to be hard.
She's a thin lady, but I can't.
Yeah, just I guess that's.
The great mystery is how did heget himself into that suitcase?
Ah yeah, double Like doubleTop�inate.
That truck says.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, i mean, if they do have this and they do
history of domestic violence,she could have done this in
another way.
You know?
that's what's interesting to me.
I think she just took fullopportunity of him.
Maybe he was messing around,maybe they're drunk, maybe he's
really happy they finished thepuzzle and he wanted to
celebrate by getting in asuitcase.
(36:15):
The way she tells this story,it makes me feel as though
there's a lot of truth and thereare just some lies.
It's a tip of the ball.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
So they were actually playing hide and seek and she
said, oh, or maybe it was one ofthose.
Like, hey, drunk boyfriend, ibet you can't change yourself
into the suitcase.
Yeah, my boyfriend's like, yeah, i can do it, i can do it, i'm
macho.
And then she sets them up andthere you go, right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yes, i wish that were a thing.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
men pooping there, you know like you know, a cheese
mo by zipping themselves intosuitcases.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yes, Like oh, you're a man, huh I'm getting this.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Go, get into the suitcase, go, let's see how
little you can make yourself.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm too excited She didn't just drag it off the luck
, that suitcase that is with himin it, and dump it somewhere.
Yeah, she didn't freak out too.
I mean she calls 911.
She claims she does through theCPR.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Now, did they find any other?
like, yeah, there was abrasionson his back, but did he get
like hit on the head?
Like is there a way that hewas-?
No signs of that, No signs ofthat.
Well then, I guess in the videohe's yelling at her to get him
out And she's like, nah, you'restaying in there.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Again during the autopsy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
She must have lured him into that suitcase.
There was no hide and seek,there was like some sort of
luring situation.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I mean, i think that's what's gonna be really
interesting.
You know you have the video,which is great for the
prosecution, but yeah, toexplain, you know her defense
may be that that he did that onhis own, you know, like she had
nothing to do with that, and itjust so happens she was not
(38:14):
allowed to do it And again, shemay not get life.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, no, especially if they I mean, listen, dudes
batter women.
I think what is it every minuteor something?
I mean, there's so many guyswho beat on their wives and
girlfriends that their mom'ssure there's gonna be women on
the jury who be like yeah, hebeat on you.
This was probably some form ofself-defense, even though the
(38:41):
videos are so damning, But evenso, they still have a history of
abuse towards each other Andyou could say it's like, well,
he's thin and little, but she'sthin and little.
So, but because men have so muchupper body strength as compared
to women, like he could stillbe overpowering her And she was
really just trying to save herlife and was so broken that, you
(39:06):
know, she tried to strangle him.
Like I think that the defense,because of how many men batter
women, that's not a stretch,right?
So, yeah, i could totally.
I don't think she's gonna getoff, but I don't think she's
gonna get life either, becauseit'll be more of like a sort of
self-defense situation, which is, i think, this way to go for
(39:27):
them at this point.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I mean, again, he had been arrested in their cases of
domestic violence more than shewas, yeah, and it's possible
that she just could have.
She probably felt a lot ofresentment every time he's going
in and she's bailing him out,yeah, and I think it was like.
You know, she's probablyfiguring enough already And, in
(39:50):
addition, you know it's not somuch I get this, it's not so
much about the cheating, but itreally is about the abuse for
her.
You know it's also mentioned inthe video, like this you know,
this is what you did to me.
It's like this kind of revenge,you know, yeah, yeah, but again
, a revenge.
Where it's conceivable, she mayhave thought that she unzipped
(40:12):
it a little for him, right?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And that's what they're gonna have.
So he's gonna make them reallyuncomfortable, but not kill him
Right, whereas he ended up dying.
Oof, what a crazy, crazy case.
I mean, you see, yeah crazysuitcase has some weird things
hide and seek.
You just never would think thatthose would come.
You know, dead dude in asuitcase.
(40:35):
They were playing hide and seek.
It's kind of a.
It's a bit of it's bit fruitloops, but again.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I suggest and I highly recommend on their
available on YouTube, watchingboth the body cam footage of one
sheep and the interrogation.
The interrogation theinterrogators, rather, are just
are horrible.
The way that they conductthemselves.
are he's on the phone, he'slike on his cell phone while
(41:04):
this interrogation's happening.
Oh right, there's supposed tobe.
yeah, the way to see it's just,it's kind of insane.
And usually that's like a ploy,that's like a trick, yeah, but
in this case it's just not.
it's very sloppy.
but the interrogation's veryinteresting.
just to watch her and how shewas responding to all this stuff
(41:24):
.
Okay, but definitely check outthe body cam because she's
frantic and her behavior's justso bizarre really.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Okay, so this another lady killer for you guys.
Thank you for joining us andwe'll.
I think we should switch overto some dudes.
Maybe we do some classic ones.
I mean, i know we mentioned TedBundy, but I don't know if we
wanna fully go there, becauseit's the summer, we have kids
around.
I like the hard to research.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
What do you think of the Weepy Voice Killer?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Oh, the Weepy Voice Killer.
Yes, a good old favorite.
Maybe we can even put some ofhis Weepy Voice on the show.
Yeah, let's talk to the WeepyVoice dude.
Okay, sweet, thank you forjoining us and sorry that we're
a couple days late with this.
But again, seventh circle ofhell of children and camps and
(42:25):
schedules.
Hopefully we'll have ironed outthe kinks for next week and
otherwise, stay cool, because Iknow half of the country is like
in 120 degrees sweltering andthe other part is smoky.
So take care of yourselves outthere and we'll see you next
week.
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