June 14, 2023 • 38 mins
Can you imagine the dark and sinister mind of a female killer? What drives someone to commit brutal acts against those who were once close to them? Join us in this chilling episode as we unravel the twisted tale of Angela Simpson and her shocking murder of Terry Neely, a paraplegic residing in an assisted living facility.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hi everybody, welcome back to The Deviant Mind.
This is Dominica.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And this is Christopher.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And we are doing a case that actually Chris brought
to my attention.
I had never heard of it before.
We're going back a little bitin time, to 2009.
And it is the case of AngelaSimpson and her murder victim
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was a man by the name of Neely.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Terry Neely.
Yeah, Terry Neely.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Who was a paraplegic and lived in an assisted living
facility.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
At the time he lived in Arizona.
Basically everything here takesplace in Arizona And he was
living in an assisted livinghome with other folks.
So I in my digging couldn'tfind that much about his
(01:37):
background, other than he was 46in 2009.
And yeah, in an assisted livingthey said he was always very
excited to try out his electricwheelchair, so he would have
basically an electric ride andhe would go through town And he
was pretty well known, like theywould see him and he would wave
, he was pretty popular And thenhe would just go back to
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assisted living and live there.
But again, i don't know whathis profession had been or was,
other than he was paraplegic.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So did you read?
because in my research I readthat he could actually stand and
walk, but only for very shortperiods of time, and that he
might be, learning disabled.
Did you find that as well?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I found that as well, and in interviews with the
murderer, angela Simpson, shealso claimed that he was able to
get up.
But that was all in act, i see,which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That is interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean it could be he had a condition where he was
able to switch on and off.
Perhaps through physicaltherapy They were trying to make
him a little more independent.
I think maybe the goal was hekeeps going in the neighborhood
and makes stops to try and walk.
But I did hear that and Ididn't know what to make of it
Because I felt I found moreabout him being wheelchair bound
(03:02):
than being able to stand up,And it wasn't until Angela
Simpson said that he could and Iwas like, oh, interesting,
which kind of makes sense.
That is interesting.
Yeah, He could be transportinghimself from the standard old
school user hands wheelchair tothe electric.
He could be doing that quicktransition standing up by
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himself.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Right, and then I did remember saying that people
said that he was really friendlybut nobody actually really knew
him in the assisted livingcenter And it almost didn't seem
like not that they I don't wantto say that they didn't care
but they didn't go out of theirway to find out about him either
(03:46):
.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Right, apparently, the night he goes for his motor
stroll on August 9 and isbasically captured by Angela
Simpson at the nursing home, thevibe was, huh, i wonder where
he is.
You know, it was like earlyevening.
By time it was later thatevening.
They were like, wow, wherewhere is he?
You know, right.
So it definitely took them awhile because they thought, you
(04:10):
know, he's getting moreindependent and doing this thing
.
But yeah, there came a pointwhere there was.
You know, they started to getvery nervous.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Now, did you and your findings find that he actually
knew Angela Simpson before thisfaithful night and that, in fact
, he was a client of hers?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, well, i, you know I couldn't put two and two
together.
With regards to him being aclient of hers, although I did
find that out, i didn't quiteunderstand it, but I could see
it And, yes, she lived the blockaway from the assisted living
home, so I felt that they didsee.
(04:56):
I, you know, from what I found,they did see one of the other
and they, they, didn't know oneanother.
Actually, she was involved insome shady stuff, including
drugs, and as seems, you know,as though she were perhaps
living the gang life, likeperhaps she was a gangster from
all accounts.
She hung out with really CDpeople and criminals.
(05:18):
So who knows That's.
That's what's reallyinteresting is how, like, if he
is making his drives and itmakes stop and you see, as
Angela, is he asking for drugs?
Is she supplying him?
She basically lures him to herapartment by promising drugs and
sex.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Right And that I wonder if some of the articles I
found is where the, because Ionly found it in a one or two
where and maybe she was the onethat said this, but of course,
as it comes out, she was acomplete liar that he had been
known to use drugs with her onmultiple occasions and was one
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of her clients, yeah, but, andthe fact that she lured him to
that apartment that night wasbecause she said she would do it
for free and she knew that thatwould get him to come up to the
apartment with her.
And she actually, from certainaccounts I don't know if you
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found this was that he actuallyleft the assisted living
facility at eight PMspecifically to go see her, so
he wasn't just having like anightly ride.
That he was.
They had an as a nation.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Right.
And then later they find theydo find his wheelchairs outside
adjacent to the apartmentcomplex.
Yes, so the question is, didshe help him up?
You know, was there no way forhim to gain access and therefore
he couldn't stand?
That was the other thing waslike, oh, maybe he could, maybe
he could stand if he had alittle help.
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Or maybe, you know, you losethe wheelchair, you know you
have him in the apartment, hedoesn't need this anymore, and
then you get rid of it.
So there's just so manypossibilities.
But yeah, anyway, you look at itas same, as though this wasn't
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random.
Yeah, yeah, i do believe thatthey had I don't know what kind
of relationship they had.
Those sound nefarious And thefact that he was like, oh, sex,
drugs, great, i'll see you later.
Right, right, you know you'redown the block from me, assisted
living with mine.
I'll be right back.
But yeah, you know, her wholething was which we'll get into
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was that he was a snitch,according to her, and, again,
not much known about him otherthan him being a nice guy.
People in the community singhim and waving and people saw
him and, yes, she lives a blockaway, so she also knows him.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, so she let's see.
So you know, it was interestingbecause when I was looking into
this case, they started talkingabout her and then actually went
into what actually happened,which was that I guess there was
(08:29):
a burning fire a burning fire,that's kind of redundant a fire
in a garbage outside of a church.
And when the firefighters cameand they found the charred
remains of a male body inside ofthat trash can And I don't know
(08:49):
if you which was what I foundinteresting and I don't know if
we're going to want to go intothe amount of torture that he
sustained, you know, under thehands of Angela.
But one little interestingtidbit that I found that the
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body had been really burnedbeyond recognition and that this
is a trigger warning.
The body was mutilated quite abit and legs were cut off and
one of his arms had beenattempted to be chopped off and
it couldn't be identifiedthrough dental records because
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the teeth had been torn out ofhis mouth.
But during the autopsy themedical examiner noticed that
even though the fingerprintswere almost completely burned
off, they were still kind ofthere, and so he pieced together
fragments of the prints tofinally get one entire print,
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and that's how they were able toidentify the body as Terry
Neely.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And as a backup, when the cops search her home.
under the carpet there's bloodand they were also able to match
the DNA from the blood, Likeany blood they can get from his
body.
they aired and it was him, Soit was just like all the
evidence was there.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, and do you know if he was reported missing by
the assisted living facility?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
As far as I know, no, I don't not even from.
Again, I don't know if he hasany family, I don't know if he
has any really close friends,but the place where he resided,
I don't believe they ever putout a missing person's report or
notified.
For instance, this fire in thegarbage can in Dumbster is
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really one of the only leads.
They don't know that he's, theydon't know that this person's
missing.
I think it comes from people inthe neighborhood.
I don't think it comes from theassisted living place, but I
may be wrong.
As far as I know, it was justlike leads coming out of left
and right about them and they'relike, oh, who's this guy?
And then they just investigate,you know.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And do you know how long she had him?
for Three days.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Three days of torture And it definitely is going to
be hard to listen to, but I dothink to show one's ability, in
a particular state of mind ormental illness, to commit such
crazy things to someone.
But to let you in on what Ifound out about her, not much
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information is known about hereither, other than she was known
for having a pretty badchildhood.
We don't know what that meansAbuse, neglect, we're not too
sure.
I believe she disclosed thatinformation in an interview.
But just as four children andshe's very private and
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protective of anyone knowingabout her children, So in the
interview she's given wheneverit comes to what about your
children?
They're losing their motherwith you, your life in jail, And
she's just like I can't gothere.
So we know very little about herbackground.
We know very little about herfamily life.
I found out she was bornNovember 29th 1975.
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I believe she might have been32 or 36 when she tortures and
kills Nealey, And again he was46.
At 10 years old she wasdiagnosed with a mental illness
and was consequentlyhospitalized.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Do we know what mental illness that was?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, in my information it really wasn't specific but
it was, and in her interview itseems as though it was really.
It was heavy enough that theyneeded definitely to give her
around the clock support, yeah,well-being.
So what's interesting aboutthis case is it walks the fine
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line between psychotic andpsychopathy and just being
anti-social.
You know, sociopath It could bea mixture of both, but her
crime is just very heinous andso convoluted.
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So, off the bat, one of thereasons that she gives an
interviews and shares witheveryone in jail was that she
killed a snitch that Neely was asnitch.
Perhaps because he's dealingwith her on the drugs, maybe she
could have gang involvement andI say that just because of her
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attitude in her videos that I'vewatched.
And she says she's not worriedabout being imprisoned because
she'll be with family.
She has many sisters in there,so that could be another
indicator.
Like you know, she rolled withgangbangers and you know she
knows a lot of these people injail her sisters.
But I just I do find it veryinteresting that it's there's a
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lot of similarities between herinterviews and interviews with
Eileen Mornos, where there'sbasically no sympathy for those
murdered or killed by her, byAngela, and no remorse and feels
very justified and pusheseverything back on society.
You know it's like do you thinkyou should have gotten the
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death penalty?
And she's like, yeah, i mean, iwas hoping I was going to get
the death penalty.
Isn't that how the system works?
Right, i killed someone who'sgoing to kill me, so very like
anti-authority.
And in jail she draws picturesof cops dying in dead cops, very
anti-police.
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And at one point she explains inher killing again of this
snitch and Nealey that it was.
You know he was a white guy,you know he was, he was, after
me, black.
And so then the question islike is this, does this involve
any sort of?
is this race?
And she says yes, she says itis about race.
(15:32):
And then she's also asked aboutthis unusual torture and act of
violence from a female.
And they're most.
She's asked you know most ofthese serial killers, most
killers are male.
And she's like well, you knowequal opportunity, you know
there ought to be female killerslike myself.
So she's definitely of thismindset which she fabricated.
(15:56):
Later It turns out he was not.
He's not in the form of, he wasnot a snitch Prior to this,
three months prior to herkilling Nealey, she was in an
armed robbery with a fellownamed Edwin McFarland, aka
Cracker.
They did an armed robberytogether and a compasses in the
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robbery and apparently they weremaking threats to anyone who
knew what had happened.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I'm a little.
yeah, is that how they werecaught, or how did the police
get onto her name in the firstplace?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So, yes, they were well aware of this And I believe
that they were both going to beon trial and it just like never
happened.
I believe like, yes, they knewabout her being involved in the
robbery, but I mean as far ashow did they connect her with
Terry Cause?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I know I found something about a press release
that told a story about what hadhappened to him and everybody
in the neighborhood was reallyscared.
But like I didn't quite, it waslike maybe an informant, but
like Right.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So yeah, the connection is Angela, which
actually goes to show this.
She did have a relationship, atleast in New Nealey.
Confesses to him what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So then he knows Confesses to who The informant
or the cracker.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
To um, to Terry Nealey.
She's just like you won'tbelieve what just happened, like
what I did.
So then they got fearfulcracker and Angela Simpson.
Why'd you tell Nealey?
Why'd you tell Terry Nealey?
So apparently he knew about thefact on his life.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I see about the, about the actual their armed
robbery.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Okay, and then meanwhile it's their uh, oh.
So a witness calls and ithappened to me, it happens to be
the building manager And hesays you know, i think
something's going on with my 10.
You know, there's this AngelaSimpson and, uh, uh, the sky
shoes with cracker, asked me ifthey could borrow my car.
Uh and uh, the same thing wherethey they.
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They said if you tell anyonelike, we'll kill you.
So there was just like thiswhole trail of threats and it
just kept everyone silent.
So perhaps it just got thisdrug field paranoia.
Terry Nealey knows too much.
I see, i see, um and uh, it wasactually on August 18th.
They arrest Angela, okay, soshe's 33 years old at the time
(18:37):
of killing, uh, terry Nealey, uh, crackers, 36.
And uh, the reason why crackerplays a role in all this is,
aside from the armed robbery, heassisted Angela in the burning
of Terry's body.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I see I saw some reports um that he was actually
Angela's pimp.
Did you find anything aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, but again, that makes sense.
I mean, it is this weirdunderbelly.
And if she's offering sex toTerry Neely on the last day of
his life and he was like, yeah,right on, i you know, i think
that makes sense, which, by theway, have you seen a picture of
Edward McFarland He?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
has a cracker tattooed on his neck.
Tattooed on his neck Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
In case you forget.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That is his name, is cracker.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He's cracked on his neck.
It would have been great if youput Edward McFarland across his
neck.
All right, oh, my goodness,like his actual blood name.
Yeah, but yeah.
So basically it was.
It was this paranoia thathappens, and then it's on August
2nd 2009,.
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Terry goes for a role.
Sorry, but it's true.
He's rolling around in theneighborhood And he just doesn't
want to, he just does, hedoesn't get back to assist the
living.
They got concerned, but thenconcerns later And evening, as I
said, actually they so they dostart looking for him in the
neighborhood.
Okay, i see, like this, theassisted living people do go out
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, they start looking around theneighborhood, and it wasn't
until two days later whenwitnesses found his wheelchair
left outside the apartmentbuilding.
So the cops search the searchthe place.
They get access to theapartment, the search department
, and that's where they discoverthey looked up this weird
carpet and there's blood.
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There's like blood all over thefloor, and then the call comes
in about the trash can of thechurch.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, and they also from another source I said, i
found that they found a needle,nose pliers and a gallon of
great value brand bleach and awhole, as you said, a whole lot
of blood.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So she takes him for two days and the church involves
first off, he watches it all.
She sits him down in front of amirror, right.
So if he's just has likenowhere else to go, and he's
sitting in front of the mirror,basically beats him every you
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know for these across, you know,two days, stabs him 50 times.
He's still alive.
Okay, with the needle nosepliers.
She's moving his teeth, oh God.
She would later explain in aninterview, when asked why she
would do that, she said well,have you ever had a tooth pain,
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man?
I had bad tooth pain a longtime and it hurt.
So I felt he deserved that.
Okay, okay, she hammered athree inch nail into his brain,
oh my God.
And he's still alive.
He's still alive.
He's still sitting in front ofthe mirror.
And then ultimately she does amin on the third day or late
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night, second night, bystrangling him with a cable wire
And that was it.
And then cracker comes over andthey did this.
But you know, i got to say theyfound her very quickly, very
quickly, and perhaps if this onrobbery didn't happen prior to
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all this, terry would have maybestill been alive.
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, No, Was there.
Was there?
did she ever give a reason ofwhy she dismembered the body?
Was it for disposal?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It was for the disposal.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I see.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
It was something that she.
It just meant nothing to her.
And so, if interested in,anyone listening wants to see
what what I mean about not beingable to determine exactly from
her behavior if she's apsychopath or just a sociopath.
The interviews are fascinating.
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She never blinks, her eyes arevery wide.
She again just no remorsewhatsoever.
And he deserved it And he was asnitch.
You know basically this, youknow the idea that you know
snitches get snitches, getstitches.
They wind up in ditches, right,right, and that's that's what
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leads me to believe like this isgang related.
This is, like this, weird.
You know she's probably, yeah,being pimped out, getting
drugged up, selling drugs Again.
Was Terry nearly into drugs,maybe?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I mean he knew her.
I mean, yeah, but that stilldoesn't matter, like just to get
into drugs, like to have somuch violence done on on the
body.
Now, was this something thatshe had done before, or was this
the first time, her first time?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Her first killer and she, in an interview, says that
there's an order in prison ofwho's going to get killed, and
first are pedophiles They getkilled most frequently in prison
then snitches and then cops whoget locked out.
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She just comes off.
This very matter of fact again,absolutely no remorse in any of
these videos or interviews.
The first interview is when shehad just been sentenced to life
in prison And it's it'sdefinitely a great watch.
And then they come back andthey interview her again, i
(24:38):
think in 2019.
So that's 2009, 2019.
They revisit her and she'sscary The second time around
because she had just beenconvicted.
You know, like here you're offto jail And now that she's had
like all these years, so youknow she's at boy, you won't
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believe this.
The prison facility she's in is, oh gosh, sorry, just to add to
the list of torture a tire iron.
Choose a tire iron, a tire ironto be in and slit his throat
Again.
He lived through all of thisheinous crime.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I just I don't understand what could have
precipitated so much rage onthis person.
Like I don't mean it seemed Iknow that she had mentioned.
I saw when people were like,are you worried about going to
prison?
And she was like, well, no,it's like coming home, like, as
you mentioned, because my familyis there.
But then, at the same time,like then, why would she be so
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scared about Terry telling onthem, in regards to the armed
robbery, to precipitate so muchviolence on a human?
like that's the part I'm notunderstanding.
And, of course, like I did a,you know, i tried to do a deep
dive on her as well And there'sjust, she just kind of didn't
exist in the world until thiscrime.
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So there's, i like not many, imean I scoured through the
journalists and I didn't watchthe documentary.
There is a documentary ondiscovery investigates, i think
it's called.
But even from then, you know,it was just like she had four
kids, like, would they think,with different men, but maybe
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not.
She wouldn't really say nobodyknows where the kids are.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Her hospitalization at 10 years old for mental
illness, i think is absolutelykey to all this, because it
sounds as though nothing wasdone about it And she's a young
person being, you know,hospitalized.
She's away from her family.
She's kind of like who knowshow she got what.
that kind of this could havejust been a time bomb, you know
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just waiting to go off, you know, but it's this random person
who she thinks is a snitch.
As I was going to say, she'slater interviewed from the I
believe it's Marka Copa CountingJail, where Sergeant Pike says
that she's the scariest inmatein the place And she said that
(27:24):
in 2010.
They definitely believe thatshe's a gang member And she said
that she enjoyed in theinterview, that she enjoyed the
killing and that she found it asrewarding work and that she
thought Terry would havesnitched the people Absolutely
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And you know which is.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean it's fascinating because it's she has
enough of a mind to try to givea reason for why she did it,
which was snitching So somewhereinside of her.
She knows it's wrong becauseotherwise she'd be like well, i
had fun, i wanted to see what itwould be like to torture
somebody, you know, becausethere is definitely that's what
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is it called the sadistictendency where the killer gets
off on the pain of theindividual, and so that's the
reason why they tend to tortureversus kill immediately.
There's a very specific termfor that that I am not
remembering right now, but IWell, it's not even a through, I
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mean it really is like I'mgoing to enjoy inflicting pain
on you over the same period oftime.
And it's always interestingbecause when we talk about and
now, granted, she's not a serialkiller, she only killed one
human, which again is a horrible, horrible thing in and of
itself, but typically the thepathology of somebody like that
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is that, like, there's a reasontypically that they kill, and
for a lot of times women,because there's there's not many
women who are known as thesetypes of killers.
Obviously, we've had the lasttwo weeks of killers where the
women killed for money And theydid it with poison.
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Well, actually, one of them did.
The other one did it with a,with a knife, but, i'm sorry,
with a gun, but they were likehusbands or you know people that
were close to them, which Iguess in this instance, there is
supposedly a relationshipbetween the victim and Angela.
But at the same time and this iswhere the Eileen Warnows comes
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in where, like she said, shewould have killed again if she
had gotten the opportunity.
I saw from one of theinterviews and she's like, oh, i
wish I could kill some moresnitches.
But it's interesting because,like, why snitch?
like what is it that makes herfeel justified in doing that,
and maybe that's where I thinkthat's the game.
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The game mentality of that'slike how dare you tell on us?
But it's just.
It's so over the top that Iactually was reading a couple
and these were not journalistsbut more like true crime
aficionados that were sayingthat they thought that she was
putting on a show So she couldget infamous in a way so she
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could get a movie deal or shecould get a book deal and become
like one of those you knowfemale killers that we talk
about today to get to get somesort of financial stuff out of
it, which I think for me is likethat could be absolutely the
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case.
But then, at the same time, whydoes it have to be a reason for
a woman to kill for money,whereas women like to inflict
pain all the time to like?
that's not.
I don't think that's sex.
specific Women tend to do it ina very different way.
But it sounds like she.
her home was not stable Andfrom somewhere else I read that
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a lot of her siblings also hadmental issues.
So was there a violent homelike?
she also talked aboutpedophiles And she tried to kind
of put it off that he was apedophile, which there's
absolutely no.
what is it called evidence forthat at all?
So it's almost like she'strying to create a reason for
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herself when really maybe shejust wanted to inflict.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's interesting because she both distances
herself and then claim you know,claims full responsibility.
Incidentally, she did plead notguilty to first to be murder
And then she was sentenced tolife plus 14 years.
Because the first degree ispremeditated versus Because they
added, in the armed robberywhich I found, which is actually
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the same month, like I see, isee, i see When, asked in that
interview, when she's firstarrested, they said, well, what
if he wasn't a snitch?
She replies oops, if he wasn't.
I mean, so you're watchingthese things and you're like,
okay, she's definitely hardcore,you know, she just doesn't care
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, there's no remorse, there'snothing.
She's kind of proud.
She smiles a lot.
There's a whole thing aboutlike there ought to be more,
like more killers.
Oh, should we first him aswhite trash, which is earlier
when I mentioned how race mayhave played a part in this.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Has she seen her partner cracker?
As far as I know, they were notan item though.
No, no, no, I know that, butlike if she's calling the victim
white trash, but yet herpartner is like the trashiest of
white trash that ever was.
It's unbelievable, which I knowthat's a very derogatory term,
(33:14):
but you guys go look at him andwe'll post him on the Instagram
and see him in all his glory,but it's definitely not a guy
you'd want to meet in a darkalleyway by any stretch of the
imagination.
He looks mean, He looks mean andlike yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
The white trash is a racial motivation.
And then, when asked, one ofher responses is I wouldn't kill
another black individual.
So she owns a lot ofresponsibilities.
She's completely honest, exceptwhen asked about her children
In the first interview.
When she's about to go to jailand start about this term, when
(33:55):
the interview is done and youcan see this, she goes are we
good, are we done?
Big smile, just big smile onher face.
She's like make me look good.
The guards putting her back inthe handcuffs.
They're like laughing, and it'sreally interesting because
that's the whole time I'mwatching this.
Wow, she's really psychotic.
Like she's just not blinking atall.
This is she's calm And thenwhen it ends, it's like all
(34:18):
right, like how was that?
Was it cool?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So, and hence that's maybe where some other true
crime people are already beinglike is this an act?
Is this an act Because of thefact that she wants that in what
is it?
infimity?
No, that's not the wordInfimity, Infimity, Infimity.
She wants the infamy, And maybethat's why it was so over the
top.
But then when the cameras areoff and when she's not getting
(34:48):
the attention, she's like cool,cool, Okay, Did we do good?
So it's almost like she is inher own little movie, being like
this is going to be how ahardcore killer acts.
Yeah, But then to be able tobrutalize a human body like that
, I mean, Jesus, how do you evenknow?
Like, did she see thatsomewhere?
(35:09):
Had she witnessed somethinglike that before?
Like I can't stretch myimagination to, and I'm a crime
writer, Like I tend to do veryheavy research because I mean,
I'm a normal human being.
I just don't have that kind oflike.
Yeah, I just I just find it.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Maybe we could just explore their minds and try to
figure out how they would get tothat point.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
But why the teeth?
I mean just like that's sospecific.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I mean torture is torture.
I mean it sounds like it mighthave been all premeditated.
Incidentally, she's become aMuslim.
She joined the Muslim faith.
Her second interview iscompletely not that Like.
She never drops a guard, neveris like hey, was that that was
fun, are we done?
She's definitely more hardenedin the later.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now, did she actually get married in prison too?
Did I read that correctly?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I believe that she wants to get married.
I don't know if she's beenasked yet, i don't know if she's
engaged, but she definitelywants to.
Okay, be married, i guess, andI just want to throw this out
there.
There recently, i don't knowhow long ago was a TikTok
challenge where kids and peoplewere basically lip syncing.
(36:27):
Angela Simson clips from herinterviews, which is pretty
close.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh, come on, that's pretty gross Come on people Like
that's just-.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Tiktoking lip syncing this-.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh, that's awful.
It's a word, it's awful.
That is awful.
I better go get a seat.
Okay, so everybody, thank youguys so much That was the case
of Angela Simson And see youback next week.
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Hi everybody, welcome back to The Deviant Mind.
This is Dominica.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And this is Christopher.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And we are doing a case that actually Chris brought
to my attention.
I had never heard of it before.
We're going back a little bitin time, to 2009.
And it is the case of AngelaSimpson and her murder victim
(01:01):
was a man by the name of Neely.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Terry Neely.
Yeah, Terry Neely.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Who was a paraplegic and lived in an assisted living
facility.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
At the time he lived in Arizona.
Basically everything here takesplace in Arizona And he was
living in an assisted livinghome with other folks.
So I in my digging couldn'tfind that much about his
(01:37):
background, other than he was 46in 2009.
And yeah, in an assisted livingthey said he was always very
excited to try out his electricwheelchair, so he would have
basically an electric ride andhe would go through town And he
was pretty well known, like theywould see him and he would wave
, he was pretty popular And thenhe would just go back to
(02:00):
assisted living and live there.
But again, i don't know whathis profession had been or was,
other than he was paraplegic.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So did you read?
because in my research I readthat he could actually stand and
walk, but only for very shortperiods of time, and that he
might be, learning disabled.
Did you find that as well?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I found that as well, and in interviews with the
murderer, angela Simpson, shealso claimed that he was able to
get up.
But that was all in act, i see,which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That is interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean it could be he had a condition where he was
able to switch on and off.
Perhaps through physicaltherapy They were trying to make
him a little more independent.
I think maybe the goal was hekeeps going in the neighborhood
and makes stops to try and walk.
But I did hear that and Ididn't know what to make of it
Because I felt I found moreabout him being wheelchair bound
(03:02):
than being able to stand up,And it wasn't until Angela
Simpson said that he could and Iwas like, oh, interesting,
which kind of makes sense.
That is interesting.
Yeah, He could be transportinghimself from the standard old
school user hands wheelchair tothe electric.
He could be doing that quicktransition standing up by
(03:23):
himself.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Right, and then I did remember saying that people
said that he was really friendlybut nobody actually really knew
him in the assisted livingcenter And it almost didn't seem
like not that they I don't wantto say that they didn't care
but they didn't go out of theirway to find out about him either
(03:46):
.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Right, apparently, the night he goes for his motor
stroll on August 9 and isbasically captured by Angela
Simpson at the nursing home, thevibe was, huh, i wonder where
he is.
You know, it was like earlyevening.
By time it was later thatevening.
They were like, wow, wherewhere is he?
You know, right.
So it definitely took them awhile because they thought, you
(04:10):
know, he's getting moreindependent and doing this thing
.
But yeah, there came a pointwhere there was.
You know, they started to getvery nervous.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Now, did you and your findings find that he actually
knew Angela Simpson before thisfaithful night and that, in fact
, he was a client of hers?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, well, i, you know I couldn't put two and two
together.
With regards to him being aclient of hers, although I did
find that out, i didn't quiteunderstand it, but I could see
it And, yes, she lived the blockaway from the assisted living
home, so I felt that they didsee.
(04:56):
I, you know, from what I found,they did see one of the other
and they, they, didn't know oneanother.
Actually, she was involved insome shady stuff, including
drugs, and as seems, you know,as though she were perhaps
living the gang life, likeperhaps she was a gangster from
all accounts.
She hung out with really CDpeople and criminals.
(05:18):
So who knows That's.
That's what's reallyinteresting is how, like, if he
is making his drives and itmakes stop and you see, as
Angela, is he asking for drugs?
Is she supplying him?
She basically lures him to herapartment by promising drugs and
sex.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Right And that I wonder if some of the articles I
found is where the, because Ionly found it in a one or two
where and maybe she was the onethat said this, but of course,
as it comes out, she was acomplete liar that he had been
known to use drugs with her onmultiple occasions and was one
(06:02):
of her clients, yeah, but, andthe fact that she lured him to
that apartment that night wasbecause she said she would do it
for free and she knew that thatwould get him to come up to the
apartment with her.
And she actually, from certainaccounts I don't know if you
(06:22):
found this was that he actuallyleft the assisted living
facility at eight PMspecifically to go see her, so
he wasn't just having like anightly ride.
That he was.
They had an as a nation.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Right.
And then later they find theydo find his wheelchairs outside
adjacent to the apartmentcomplex.
Yes, so the question is, didshe help him up?
You know, was there no way forhim to gain access and therefore
he couldn't stand?
That was the other thing waslike, oh, maybe he could, maybe
he could stand if he had alittle help.
(06:59):
Or maybe, you know, you losethe wheelchair, you know you
have him in the apartment, hedoesn't need this anymore, and
then you get rid of it.
So there's just so manypossibilities.
But yeah, anyway, you look at itas same, as though this wasn't
(07:19):
random.
Yeah, yeah, i do believe thatthey had I don't know what kind
of relationship they had.
Those sound nefarious And thefact that he was like, oh, sex,
drugs, great, i'll see you later.
Right, right, you know you'redown the block from me, assisted
living with mine.
I'll be right back.
But yeah, you know, her wholething was which we'll get into
(07:43):
was that he was a snitch,according to her, and, again,
not much known about him otherthan him being a nice guy.
People in the community singhim and waving and people saw
him and, yes, she lives a blockaway, so she also knows him.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, so she let's see.
So you know, it was interestingbecause when I was looking into
this case, they started talkingabout her and then actually went
into what actually happened,which was that I guess there was
(08:29):
a burning fire a burning fire,that's kind of redundant a fire
in a garbage outside of a church.
And when the firefighters cameand they found the charred
remains of a male body inside ofthat trash can And I don't know
(08:49):
if you which was what I foundinteresting and I don't know if
we're going to want to go intothe amount of torture that he
sustained, you know, under thehands of Angela.
But one little interestingtidbit that I found that the
(09:11):
body had been really burnedbeyond recognition and that this
is a trigger warning.
The body was mutilated quite abit and legs were cut off and
one of his arms had beenattempted to be chopped off and
it couldn't be identifiedthrough dental records because
(09:32):
the teeth had been torn out ofhis mouth.
But during the autopsy themedical examiner noticed that
even though the fingerprintswere almost completely burned
off, they were still kind ofthere, and so he pieced together
fragments of the prints tofinally get one entire print,
(09:54):
and that's how they were able toidentify the body as Terry
Neely.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And as a backup, when the cops search her home.
under the carpet there's bloodand they were also able to match
the DNA from the blood, Likeany blood they can get from his
body.
they aired and it was him, Soit was just like all the
evidence was there.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, and do you know if he was reported missing by
the assisted living facility?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
As far as I know, no, I don't not even from.
Again, I don't know if he hasany family, I don't know if he
has any really close friends,but the place where he resided,
I don't believe they ever putout a missing person's report or
notified.
For instance, this fire in thegarbage can in Dumbster is
(10:50):
really one of the only leads.
They don't know that he's, theydon't know that this person's
missing.
I think it comes from people inthe neighborhood.
I don't think it comes from theassisted living place, but I
may be wrong.
As far as I know, it was justlike leads coming out of left
and right about them and they'relike, oh, who's this guy?
And then they just investigate,you know.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And do you know how long she had him?
for Three days.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Three days of torture And it definitely is going to
be hard to listen to, but I dothink to show one's ability, in
a particular state of mind ormental illness, to commit such
crazy things to someone.
But to let you in on what Ifound out about her, not much
(11:36):
information is known about hereither, other than she was known
for having a pretty badchildhood.
We don't know what that meansAbuse, neglect, we're not too
sure.
I believe she disclosed thatinformation in an interview.
But just as four children andshe's very private and
(12:04):
protective of anyone knowingabout her children, So in the
interview she's given wheneverit comes to what about your
children?
They're losing their motherwith you, your life in jail, And
she's just like I can't gothere.
So we know very little about herbackground.
We know very little about herfamily life.
I found out she was bornNovember 29th 1975.
(12:25):
I believe she might have been32 or 36 when she tortures and
kills Nealey, And again he was46.
At 10 years old she wasdiagnosed with a mental illness
and was consequentlyhospitalized.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Do we know what mental illness that was?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, in my information it really wasn't specific but
it was, and in her interview itseems as though it was really.
It was heavy enough that theyneeded definitely to give her
around the clock support, yeah,well-being.
So what's interesting aboutthis case is it walks the fine
(13:18):
line between psychotic andpsychopathy and just being
anti-social.
You know, sociopath It could bea mixture of both, but her
crime is just very heinous andso convoluted.
(13:41):
So, off the bat, one of thereasons that she gives an
interviews and shares witheveryone in jail was that she
killed a snitch that Neely was asnitch.
Perhaps because he's dealingwith her on the drugs, maybe she
could have gang involvement andI say that just because of her
(14:02):
attitude in her videos that I'vewatched.
And she says she's not worriedabout being imprisoned because
she'll be with family.
She has many sisters in there,so that could be another
indicator.
Like you know, she rolled withgangbangers and you know she
knows a lot of these people injail her sisters.
But I just I do find it veryinteresting that it's there's a
(14:28):
lot of similarities between herinterviews and interviews with
Eileen Mornos, where there'sbasically no sympathy for those
murdered or killed by her, byAngela, and no remorse and feels
very justified and pusheseverything back on society.
You know it's like do you thinkyou should have gotten the
(14:48):
death penalty?
And she's like, yeah, i mean, iwas hoping I was going to get
the death penalty.
Isn't that how the system works?
Right, i killed someone who'sgoing to kill me, so very like
anti-authority.
And in jail she draws picturesof cops dying in dead cops, very
anti-police.
(15:09):
And at one point she explains inher killing again of this
snitch and Nealey that it was.
You know he was a white guy,you know he was, he was, after
me, black.
And so then the question islike is this, does this involve
any sort of?
is this race?
And she says yes, she says itis about race.
(15:32):
And then she's also asked aboutthis unusual torture and act of
violence from a female.
And they're most.
She's asked you know most ofthese serial killers, most
killers are male.
And she's like well, you knowequal opportunity, you know
there ought to be female killerslike myself.
So she's definitely of thismindset which she fabricated.
(15:56):
Later It turns out he was not.
He's not in the form of, he wasnot a snitch Prior to this,
three months prior to herkilling Nealey, she was in an
armed robbery with a fellownamed Edwin McFarland, aka
Cracker.
They did an armed robberytogether and a compasses in the
(16:19):
robbery and apparently they weremaking threats to anyone who
knew what had happened.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I'm a little.
yeah, is that how they werecaught, or how did the police
get onto her name in the firstplace?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So, yes, they were well aware of this And I believe
that they were both going to beon trial and it just like never
happened.
I believe like, yes, they knewabout her being involved in the
robbery, but I mean as far ashow did they connect her with
Terry Cause?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I know I found something about a press release
that told a story about what hadhappened to him and everybody
in the neighborhood was reallyscared.
But like I didn't quite, it waslike maybe an informant, but
like Right.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So yeah, the connection is Angela, which
actually goes to show this.
She did have a relationship, atleast in New Nealey.
Confesses to him what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So then he knows Confesses to who The informant
or the cracker.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
To um, to Terry Nealey.
She's just like you won'tbelieve what just happened, like
what I did.
So then they got fearfulcracker and Angela Simpson.
Why'd you tell Nealey?
Why'd you tell Terry Nealey?
So apparently he knew about thefact on his life.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I see about the, about the actual their armed
robbery.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Okay, and then meanwhile it's their uh, oh.
So a witness calls and ithappened to me, it happens to be
the building manager And hesays you know, i think
something's going on with my 10.
You know, there's this AngelaSimpson and, uh, uh, the sky
shoes with cracker, asked me ifthey could borrow my car.
Uh and uh, the same thing wherethey they.
(18:14):
They said if you tell anyonelike, we'll kill you.
So there was just like thiswhole trail of threats and it
just kept everyone silent.
So perhaps it just got thisdrug field paranoia.
Terry Nealey knows too much.
I see, i see, um and uh, it wasactually on August 18th.
They arrest Angela, okay, soshe's 33 years old at the time
(18:37):
of killing, uh, terry Nealey, uh, crackers, 36.
And uh, the reason why crackerplays a role in all this is,
aside from the armed robbery, heassisted Angela in the burning
of Terry's body.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I see I saw some reports um that he was actually
Angela's pimp.
Did you find anything aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, but again, that makes sense.
I mean, it is this weirdunderbelly.
And if she's offering sex toTerry Neely on the last day of
his life and he was like, yeah,right on, i you know, i think
that makes sense, which, by theway, have you seen a picture of
Edward McFarland He?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
has a cracker tattooed on his neck.
Tattooed on his neck Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
In case you forget.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That is his name, is cracker.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He's cracked on his neck.
It would have been great if youput Edward McFarland across his
neck.
All right, oh, my goodness,like his actual blood name.
Yeah, but yeah.
So basically it was.
It was this paranoia thathappens, and then it's on August
2nd 2009,.
(19:53):
Terry goes for a role.
Sorry, but it's true.
He's rolling around in theneighborhood And he just doesn't
want to, he just does, hedoesn't get back to assist the
living.
They got concerned, but thenconcerns later And evening, as I
said, actually they so they dostart looking for him in the
neighborhood.
Okay, i see, like this, theassisted living people do go out
(20:17):
, they start looking around theneighborhood, and it wasn't
until two days later whenwitnesses found his wheelchair
left outside the apartmentbuilding.
So the cops search the searchthe place.
They get access to theapartment, the search department
, and that's where they discoverthey looked up this weird
carpet and there's blood.
(20:37):
There's like blood all over thefloor, and then the call comes
in about the trash can of thechurch.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, and they also from another source I said, i
found that they found a needle,nose pliers and a gallon of
great value brand bleach and awhole, as you said, a whole lot
of blood.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So she takes him for two days and the church involves
first off, he watches it all.
She sits him down in front of amirror, right.
So if he's just has likenowhere else to go, and he's
sitting in front of the mirror,basically beats him every you
(21:24):
know for these across, you know,two days, stabs him 50 times.
He's still alive.
Okay, with the needle nosepliers.
She's moving his teeth, oh God.
She would later explain in aninterview, when asked why she
would do that, she said well,have you ever had a tooth pain,
(21:45):
man?
I had bad tooth pain a longtime and it hurt.
So I felt he deserved that.
Okay, okay, she hammered athree inch nail into his brain,
oh my God.
And he's still alive.
He's still alive.
He's still sitting in front ofthe mirror.
And then ultimately she does amin on the third day or late
(22:05):
night, second night, bystrangling him with a cable wire
And that was it.
And then cracker comes over andthey did this.
But you know, i got to say theyfound her very quickly, very
quickly, and perhaps if this onrobbery didn't happen prior to
(22:25):
all this, terry would have maybestill been alive.
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, No, Was there.
Was there?
did she ever give a reason ofwhy she dismembered the body?
Was it for disposal?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It was for the disposal.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I see.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
It was something that she.
It just meant nothing to her.
And so, if interested in,anyone listening wants to see
what what I mean about not beingable to determine exactly from
her behavior if she's apsychopath or just a sociopath.
The interviews are fascinating.
(23:05):
She never blinks, her eyes arevery wide.
She again just no remorsewhatsoever.
And he deserved it And he was asnitch.
You know basically this, youknow the idea that you know
snitches get snitches, getstitches.
They wind up in ditches, right,right, and that's that's what
(23:26):
leads me to believe like this isgang related.
This is, like this, weird.
You know she's probably, yeah,being pimped out, getting
drugged up, selling drugs Again.
Was Terry nearly into drugs,maybe?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I mean he knew her.
I mean, yeah, but that stilldoesn't matter, like just to get
into drugs, like to have somuch violence done on on the
body.
Now, was this something thatshe had done before, or was this
the first time, her first time?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Her first killer and she, in an interview, says that
there's an order in prison ofwho's going to get killed, and
first are pedophiles They getkilled most frequently in prison
then snitches and then cops whoget locked out.
(24:18):
She just comes off.
This very matter of fact again,absolutely no remorse in any of
these videos or interviews.
The first interview is when shehad just been sentenced to life
in prison And it's it'sdefinitely a great watch.
And then they come back andthey interview her again, i
(24:38):
think in 2019.
So that's 2009, 2019.
They revisit her and she'sscary The second time around
because she had just beenconvicted.
You know, like here you're offto jail And now that she's had
like all these years, so youknow she's at boy, you won't
(25:05):
believe this.
The prison facility she's in is, oh gosh, sorry, just to add to
the list of torture a tire iron.
Choose a tire iron, a tire ironto be in and slit his throat
Again.
He lived through all of thisheinous crime.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I just I don't understand what could have
precipitated so much rage onthis person.
Like I don't mean it seemed Iknow that she had mentioned.
I saw when people were like,are you worried about going to
prison?
And she was like, well, no,it's like coming home, like, as
you mentioned, because my familyis there.
But then, at the same time,like then, why would she be so
(25:55):
scared about Terry telling onthem, in regards to the armed
robbery, to precipitate so muchviolence on a human?
like that's the part I'm notunderstanding.
And, of course, like I did a,you know, i tried to do a deep
dive on her as well And there'sjust, she just kind of didn't
exist in the world until thiscrime.
(26:17):
So there's, i like not many, imean I scoured through the
journalists and I didn't watchthe documentary.
There is a documentary ondiscovery investigates, i think
it's called.
But even from then, you know,it was just like she had four
kids, like, would they think,with different men, but maybe
(26:37):
not.
She wouldn't really say nobodyknows where the kids are.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Her hospitalization at 10 years old for mental
illness, i think is absolutelykey to all this, because it
sounds as though nothing wasdone about it And she's a young
person being, you know,hospitalized.
She's away from her family.
She's kind of like who knowshow she got what.
that kind of this could havejust been a time bomb, you know
(27:03):
just waiting to go off, you know, but it's this random person
who she thinks is a snitch.
As I was going to say, she'slater interviewed from the I
believe it's Marka Copa CountingJail, where Sergeant Pike says
that she's the scariest inmatein the place And she said that
(27:24):
in 2010.
They definitely believe thatshe's a gang member And she said
that she enjoyed in theinterview, that she enjoyed the
killing and that she found it asrewarding work and that she
thought Terry would havesnitched the people Absolutely
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And you know which is.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean it's fascinating because it's she has
enough of a mind to try to givea reason for why she did it,
which was snitching So somewhereinside of her.
She knows it's wrong becauseotherwise she'd be like well, i
had fun, i wanted to see what itwould be like to torture
somebody, you know, becausethere is definitely that's what
(28:12):
is it called the sadistictendency where the killer gets
off on the pain of theindividual, and so that's the
reason why they tend to tortureversus kill immediately.
There's a very specific termfor that that I am not
remembering right now, but IWell, it's not even a through, I
(28:38):
mean it really is like I'mgoing to enjoy inflicting pain
on you over the same period oftime.
And it's always interestingbecause when we talk about and
now, granted, she's not a serialkiller, she only killed one
human, which again is a horrible, horrible thing in and of
itself, but typically the thepathology of somebody like that
(29:03):
is that, like, there's a reasontypically that they kill, and
for a lot of times women,because there's there's not many
women who are known as thesetypes of killers.
Obviously, we've had the lasttwo weeks of killers where the
women killed for money And theydid it with poison.
(29:23):
Well, actually, one of them did.
The other one did it with a,with a knife, but, i'm sorry,
with a gun, but they were likehusbands or you know people that
were close to them, which Iguess in this instance, there is
supposedly a relationshipbetween the victim and Angela.
But at the same time and this iswhere the Eileen Warnows comes
(29:45):
in where, like she said, shewould have killed again if she
had gotten the opportunity.
I saw from one of theinterviews and she's like, oh, i
wish I could kill some moresnitches.
But it's interesting because,like, why snitch?
like what is it that makes herfeel justified in doing that,
and maybe that's where I thinkthat's the game.
(30:10):
The game mentality of that'slike how dare you tell on us?
But it's just.
It's so over the top that Iactually was reading a couple
and these were not journalistsbut more like true crime
aficionados that were sayingthat they thought that she was
putting on a show So she couldget infamous in a way so she
(30:34):
could get a movie deal or shecould get a book deal and become
like one of those you knowfemale killers that we talk
about today to get to get somesort of financial stuff out of
it, which I think for me is likethat could be absolutely the
(30:58):
case.
But then, at the same time, whydoes it have to be a reason for
a woman to kill for money,whereas women like to inflict
pain all the time to like?
that's not.
I don't think that's sex.
specific Women tend to do it ina very different way.
But it sounds like she.
her home was not stable Andfrom somewhere else I read that
(31:23):
a lot of her siblings also hadmental issues.
So was there a violent homelike?
she also talked aboutpedophiles And she tried to kind
of put it off that he was apedophile, which there's
absolutely no.
what is it called evidence forthat at all?
So it's almost like she'strying to create a reason for
(31:46):
herself when really maybe shejust wanted to inflict.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's interesting because she both distances
herself and then claim you know,claims full responsibility.
Incidentally, she did plead notguilty to first to be murder
And then she was sentenced tolife plus 14 years.
Because the first degree ispremeditated versus Because they
added, in the armed robberywhich I found, which is actually
(32:13):
the same month, like I see, isee, i see When, asked in that
interview, when she's firstarrested, they said, well, what
if he wasn't a snitch?
She replies oops, if he wasn't.
I mean, so you're watchingthese things and you're like,
okay, she's definitely hardcore,you know, she just doesn't care
(32:35):
, there's no remorse, there'snothing.
She's kind of proud.
She smiles a lot.
There's a whole thing aboutlike there ought to be more,
like more killers.
Oh, should we first him aswhite trash, which is earlier
when I mentioned how race mayhave played a part in this.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Has she seen her partner cracker?
As far as I know, they were notan item though.
No, no, no, I know that, butlike if she's calling the victim
white trash, but yet herpartner is like the trashiest of
white trash that ever was.
It's unbelievable, which I knowthat's a very derogatory term,
(33:14):
but you guys go look at him andwe'll post him on the Instagram
and see him in all his glory,but it's definitely not a guy
you'd want to meet in a darkalleyway by any stretch of the
imagination.
He looks mean, He looks mean andlike yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
The white trash is a racial motivation.
And then, when asked, one ofher responses is I wouldn't kill
another black individual.
So she owns a lot ofresponsibilities.
She's completely honest, exceptwhen asked about her children
In the first interview.
When she's about to go to jailand start about this term, when
(33:55):
the interview is done and youcan see this, she goes are we
good, are we done?
Big smile, just big smile onher face.
She's like make me look good.
The guards putting her back inthe handcuffs.
They're like laughing, and it'sreally interesting because
that's the whole time I'mwatching this.
Wow, she's really psychotic.
Like she's just not blinking atall.
This is she's calm And thenwhen it ends, it's like all
(34:18):
right, like how was that?
Was it cool?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So, and hence that's maybe where some other true
crime people are already beinglike is this an act?
Is this an act Because of thefact that she wants that in what
is it?
infimity?
No, that's not the wordInfimity, Infimity, Infimity.
She wants the infamy, And maybethat's why it was so over the
top.
But then when the cameras areoff and when she's not getting
(34:48):
the attention, she's like cool,cool, Okay, Did we do good?
So it's almost like she is inher own little movie, being like
this is going to be how ahardcore killer acts.
Yeah, But then to be able tobrutalize a human body like that
, I mean, Jesus, how do you evenknow?
Like, did she see thatsomewhere?
(35:09):
Had she witnessed somethinglike that before?
Like I can't stretch myimagination to, and I'm a crime
writer, Like I tend to do veryheavy research because I mean,
I'm a normal human being.
I just don't have that kind oflike.
Yeah, I just I just find it.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Maybe we could just explore their minds and try to
figure out how they would get tothat point.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
But why the teeth?
I mean just like that's sospecific.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I mean torture is torture.
I mean it sounds like it mighthave been all premeditated.
Incidentally, she's become aMuslim.
She joined the Muslim faith.
Her second interview iscompletely not that Like.
She never drops a guard, neveris like hey, was that that was
fun, are we done?
She's definitely more hardenedin the later.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now, did she actually get married in prison too?
Did I read that correctly?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I believe that she wants to get married.
I don't know if she's beenasked yet, i don't know if she's
engaged, but she definitelywants to.
Okay, be married, i guess, andI just want to throw this out
there.
There recently, i don't knowhow long ago was a TikTok
challenge where kids and peoplewere basically lip syncing.
(36:27):
Angela Simson clips from herinterviews, which is pretty
close.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh, come on, that's pretty gross Come on people Like
that's just-.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Tiktoking lip syncing this-.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh, that's awful.
It's a word, it's awful.
That is awful.
I better go get a seat.
Okay, so everybody, thank youguys so much That was the case
of Angela Simson And see youback next week.
Bye, bye, i'm so sorry, butwe're good.
(37:03):
I know you were like wait aminute, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
good, we're good.
Daisy took a piece of methrough ます on this little box.
I never addressed it, but youcan believe it.
Oh my gosh, i unbelievabledzuzuzuzam From Ettai.
(37:26):
It's been called for probablyyears, if I'm not wrong.
One question to just answerthis one.
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