August 26, 2025 • 55 mins
Joely and Tricia Leigh Fisher talk about being the kids of stars, Connie Stevens and Eddie Fisher—the allure of show business, putting on shows in their living room, and deciding at a young age to make performing their career. They share stories of being on the road with their mom, the good and bad lessons they learned, going to Beverly Hills High School while living alone across the street, and what it means to inherit both talent and addictive behaviors. They also open up about being moms, singing, dancing, acting, writing, and becoming beauty entrepreneurs. Joely discusses her stint at SAG, while the sisters reflect on their parents’ many relationships, trying to connect with a distant father, and moving forward in a new entertainment landscape. And of course, they share their mom’s immortal line: “Once you date Elvis, everyone else is a disappointment.”
Bio: Joely Fisher is an American actress and singer, the daughter of Eddie Fisher and Connie Stevens. She is best known for her roles as Paige Clark on the TV series Ellen and Joy Stark on ’Til Death. She is also the younger half-sister of the late actress Carrie Fisher. Her career spans television, film, and Broadway, and she is a political activist currently serving as SAG-AFTRA Secretary-Treasurer.
Tricia Leigh Fisher is the daughter of legendary crooner Eddie Fisher and iconic actress/singer Connie Stevens. She spent her childhood on sets and in concert venues, then joined the family business as a teenager, playing Burt Reynolds’ daughter in the film “Stick.” Tricia has performed on many stages around the world, including entertaining the troops in the Persian Gulf with the legend, Bob Hope and the USO. After years touring as a back up singer, she landed her own deal on ATCO Records and hit the hot 100 billboard charts. She has continued to work, as an actress, in television and film for the past thirty-five years, starring in films such as Book of Love, Pretty Smart, Arizona Dream, Saving Grace B. Jones, Hostile Intentions and CHUD II. Tricia has worked in television for decades, including her role as Heidi in The Heidi Fleiss Story, 911, Criminal Minds, Rizzoli and Isles, The Mentalist, No Ordinary Family, Ellen, Til Death, and many others. A few of her theater roles include a Los Angeles run and tour of Bermuda Avenue Triangle with Joe Bologna, Renee Taylor, and Lainie Kazan and Miracle on South Division Street at the New Theater in Kansas City. Tricia is currently the lead singer of her 70’s band with husband, Byron Thames, and plays regularly to sold out shows in Los Angeles.
Bio: Joely Fisher is an American actress and singer, the daughter of Eddie Fisher and Connie Stevens. She is best known for her roles as Paige Clark on the TV series Ellen and Joy Stark on ’Til Death. She is also the younger half-sister of the late actress Carrie Fisher. Her career spans television, film, and Broadway, and she is a political activist currently serving as SAG-AFTRA Secretary-Treasurer.
Tricia Leigh Fisher is the daughter of legendary crooner Eddie Fisher and iconic actress/singer Connie Stevens. She spent her childhood on sets and in concert venues, then joined the family business as a teenager, playing Burt Reynolds’ daughter in the film “Stick.” Tricia has performed on many stages around the world, including entertaining the troops in the Persian Gulf with the legend, Bob Hope and the USO. After years touring as a back up singer, she landed her own deal on ATCO Records and hit the hot 100 billboard charts. She has continued to work, as an actress, in television and film for the past thirty-five years, starring in films such as Book of Love, Pretty Smart, Arizona Dream, Saving Grace B. Jones, Hostile Intentions and CHUD II. Tricia has worked in television for decades, including her role as Heidi in The Heidi Fleiss Story, 911, Criminal Minds, Rizzoli and Isles, The Mentalist, No Ordinary Family, Ellen, Til Death, and many others. A few of her theater roles include a Los Angeles run and tour of Bermuda Avenue Triangle with Joe Bologna, Renee Taylor, and Lainie Kazan and Miracle on South Division Street at the New Theater in Kansas City. Tricia is currently the lead singer of her 70’s band with husband, Byron Thames, and plays regularly to sold out shows in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Trisha Lee Fisher. I'm Jollie Fisher, and we're on
Don't Be Alone with Jake Cogan, Don't Be Alone with jj.
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That makes me very happy to communicate with you. We
have a great show today. It's fantastic to have my
guests on. I have Trisha Lee Fisher and Jolie Fisher. Now,
these two actresses, singers, writers, directors, entrepreneurs, sisters are here
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and I've known them since I was little because my father,
Arnie Cogan, the great writer, wrote for their mother, the
great singer, actress, Connie Stevens, and so our families kind
of became friends, and I was friendly with them and
hung out with them a little bit here and there.
Tricia and Jolie, their mother's Connie Stevens. Their father is
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Eddie Fisher. Eddie Fisher, one of the biggest singers in
the history of singers. It's an incredible show business family story.
We'll also talk about how to move your life forward,
because it's not all about show business, about living a
real life and trying to be actualized and trying to
be smart and wonderful and change and grow. And both
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Jolie and Tricia have other things that are going on
in their lives, including being a mom and being wives
and being you know, taking care of other businesses. They've
got a lot going on. They're very actualized people, very
talented people, and very sweet people. And I'm thrilled that
they're here, and I'm thrilled that you get to chance
to meet them and get to know them a little
bit like I do. And we'll see that right after this.
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Don't be alone with j Tricia and Jolie. Thank you
for being here. I am so excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We're excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Family. Yeah, yeah, I wack wait till episode one hundred
and thirty to get family on. So it's fine, you know,
it's all right, it's good.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well it got around to it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. But we were
sitting at Nay now's not long ago, and Jolie said,
you should have us on, you should have nutrition in
me on.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I went sure, And so that was seven years ago.
We've been through a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's all strike fires, and I.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Said yes, without thinking, what will we talk about? And
then I started thinking about it, because of course, you
guys don't have problems talking about anything. You have plenty
to talk about. But one of the interesting things about
the facts of our life, all three of us, is
that we grew up in show business and it has
enveloped our lives to the point where we're still in
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show business. Like this is y. We were show business
kids and we're still in show was and the show
don't be along with Jake Cogan, it's all about my
guess helping me solve my problem. So my problem is this,
why what the fuck are we doing in sho seriously?
Like what what made us do it? I kind of
know kind of what seemed appealing to me as a
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kid about it, but as adults, it's it's so much
harder and so much tougher and so much weirder. And
it's kind of like you guys were kid actors, like
you were started acting young and being in show was young,
and seeing young I did too, Like I got my
sad card when I was ten years old. Like it's
like we made these decisions, too young to make these decisions.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And that's like joined we all ran towards it exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
None of our parents said you should do this, let
me do this. But it's very interesting. How why why
do you.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Think mom said she couldn't stop us with a train,
That's what she used to say.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, I think it feels natural. It feels like
home to be on stage. And we were always putting
on shows when we were little. Like at your mottos
with the paper doors. Sure you know this one does.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Lots of kids put on shows when they're ten years
old and they don't become you know, stars, right, they'll
become you know you guys did the word the show
business work that followed the idea of yeah, let's put on.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Shows, and you have to really have a passion and
the tenacity for it because it's hard, it's not easy.
And maybe a little bit of talent and you have
to have talent.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yes, Now here's the other thing. Having grown up in
show business, we have seen the arc of show business
and fame where people come up and people come down.
Our family friends, hugest stars in the world in nineteen
seventy people don't know who they are by nineteen ninety, right, okay,
that thing. If you're a TikTok star in March I
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think you may be done, you know, like by June,
like it may be over with.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
A billion dollars. Maybe maybe I know, not all them,
they all get a million others.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think there's mister beasts. There's a few people who've
got a lot of money, and then there's a lot
of people who make a little money or we're a
nice chunk of money. But it's hard, really hard to
sustain this.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And they spend it all because they think it's going
to keep flowing in and it's not based on it.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
We would do that everybody in show business. You've just
described every single person in show business like, oh, it's always.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Gonna flow Sea Hammer.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. You know my my
my father is very frugal. Yeah, doesn't spend anything. And
I'm much more like my mother was, just like, you know,
spend it. Here, go shopping. Let's go because because more
will come. Of course will come, of course, and I
hope so, but I'm not garing. I'm not counting on
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We were taught our drive in our hustle, and also
that retail therapy actually works.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, exactly right, for a minute, let's go shopping. Yes,
that was a threat in our house.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Okay, So between the two of you, was there one
of you that was sort of like more of let's
put a show and come along, or does you were
both pushing each other.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean you were maybe a little more theater just
Bossier boss, not necessarily, but but I think we both
like take our.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Rightful positions and things too. Like we take on things,
you know, Okay, you handle the thing, where we do
the thing. You know, like we have a secondhand, We
have a whole language.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You don't have to like delegate to each other different
roles because it's sort of automatic in who we are
and what we are good at.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
What are the roles? What do you do well? My
mom calls.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Jolie the hammer.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
She's like, you're not talking about Choz now you're talking
about that. Oh yeah, somebody I've experienced the hammer.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm a protector. I'm a protector. Yeah. She's not afraid
to be a total bitch. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I wouldn't say the bitch. She has an eye on
organization and she's gonna make it happen. And if, like
you want somebody to be in charge or something, She's
not a bad person to be in charge of that thing.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, in a certain way. Now, I'm actually a better
person to be in charge of things in a quiet way. Okay,
in justice, sort of dry work, welfare, the radar, she's
sort of like, you know, the hammer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, so tell me the benefits of the quiet way
versus the not quiet way.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But in other words, by doing that, are you more inclusive?
Do you have other people's ideas? Are you hearing things
more or you have less of a vision? Do you
have more equal amount of vision? But you're just sort
of being more participating.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We're going deep on this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You brought it up.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think that I always wanted everybody around all the time,
and that might have been to a fault. Like I
surrounded myself. I wanted everybody to do.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think that that's important in this business too, is
that if I get to be in a place where
I can have my sister, my husband, my friends around,
my writing friends, you know, everybody, I want them involved
in every project.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Right. So I'm that's kind of like I think that's important.
I like that too. Yeah, yeah, we both like that.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, it makes sense because you you grew up in
a family that was doing stuff together and show busy stuff,
and you had a show busy father and a show
busy mother. And if you get to see I saw
your mother performing in Las Vega, one of the first places,
the times I ever was in Las Vegas. I saw
your mom on stage at Caesars pal whatever some place
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doing and that's all I knew. Was like, oh, there's
Aunt Connie doing things like I didn't know. She sang like.
I didn't get that exactly, but I was there. And
then she introduced my dad and I was very excited
because she induced Arnie Kogan. I was like, oh my god,
he must be important. I did.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I was around the time that Nordi Stein, her manager,
said you shouldn't do breakfast at Tiffany's.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You should go on the road. Is that true? This
is new information, damn it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And she went on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
She went on she took you guys on the road totally.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah, how was that? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We actually sang back up for my mom when we
were teenagers, and we used to get up and do
a song in the show. But then we became her
backup singer. She used to say, I grew my own
backup singer.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And that fun.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I think it was. Yes, it was incredibly fun, and
I think it created this sort of love for you know,
being gypsies and having different experiences in different towns and
hanging with the band. And I'm still doing that right now.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right What was your first memory of like really understanding
this is a show and they're putting on a show,
and I want to be part of this, or at
least it seems pretty cool that they're putting on a show.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I have a sweet story.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So I was three years old and we were my
mom was playing Hera's Casino and Reno, and we had
a Scottish governess of course, as one does governess governess,
and it was it was Mistine and.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
My mom on the track family exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
My mom came off the stage and her like sequin gown,
sweaty and salty and sexy and all the things that
she was. And they had the police there and they
were like, we can't find Jolie. You know that we
had I had disappeared backstage, but we would often be
in the dressing room, you know, putting together the mosaic
of creams and powders and putting her makeup back where
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it was, but I was nowhere to be found, and
the concert mistress, the first chair violinist, in her long
black gown, was carrying me with her skirt over me
and spy and so my mom came over and she
was like, you know, she was upset. She also didn't
want to scare me, and she said, you can't just
disappear like that, Joeli. You're just a little girl and
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everybody's looking for you. And I told her that I
wanted to hear the music from the inside. Oh so
I had gone up into the orchestra pit and fallen
asleep in the violin section. So I feel like my
like my affinity for the band, yes, but I also
had that sort of understanding of it from being you know,
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just wanting more, wanting more from and being somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Love of music, right, love of art, Yeah, but there's
something different also about love of art professionally love of
art in front of people, in front of people at
a certain level.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I mean I kind of looked at mom actually as
like it was her her relationship was with the audience,
like she was maybe a lonely person without all of
that coming back at her.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Like, and she was a different person on stage which
I actually relate to because I'm doing that now and
I feel like there's a certain I feel like her.
I actually feel like sometimes channeling she's coming through me
in certain songs that I'm doing, or you know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
When you sing Kookie, lend me your cone.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I do like some of that way, I know. But
making people feel something, Yes, it's a given a take and.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
For sure, yeah, for sure. But okay, so who then?
Who leads to the second? Who do you feel like
you're becoming on stage? What is that entity?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I think I'm becoming more of myself, like I feel,
you know, in life, I have a lot of responsibilities.
I have my children. I put my children first. I'm
worried about what everybody else is worried about and what's
happening in the world and the house and the bills
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and the school, and so I feel like when I'm
on stage, it nostalgically takes me to this place where
I get to like let my light shine and I'm
free and I'm loose and it's like this, It's like
this young, vibrant, a live moment that I get to
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live and it feels like my true self.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I mean, I've first noticed the seventies on Sunday on
the all the platforms. Yeah, I guess during the pande right,
it's fantastic, and my son and I and my wife watched,
you know, look forward every week to the new song
and it was fun. But yes, then turned into a
more of a show. Yes, And so now I know
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you're playing Vibratos.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
August twenty eighth, August twenty eight, I mean, we play regularly,
and it sort of became this thing that like grew
that we didn't expect to be doing at this point
in our lives. The way we're doing it, which is
full on and you're studying share.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, I guess that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I feel like now more than ever, with all the
AI and everything that's changing and all of that stuff,
that what's needed more than ever before is the humanity
and the individual voices of human beings and live performance
and the vibes of real people.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I agree, and I think maybe live performance like you
guys are doing is.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Going to be the only thing left.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It might be.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Honestly, you can't get AI to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I went to a couple of Broadway shows and I
felt that feeling in like a week ago, and I
sat there and I just sobbed because I felt like,
I'm I'm these people are I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I love doing a show like that.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And so I was sort of like, oh, I wish
I was on there. But the other part of it
was they're putting out like one hundred and fifty percent
every single night and telling the story as if it's
the first time that they're telling it to a whole
new group of people, and nobody gives less than one
hundred percent. And there and the audiences moved to cry,
to laugh, to stand up, to cheer, to all the things,
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and and it is I thought that to myself, is
this the last of this medium?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like is this? This is it? They're living that moment
for the people to have an experience, and that's the
live thing that that is needed. And that's the one
thing that you know can't go well.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Also, they're living their dream of like I did all
this work my voice and my dance and my moves
and my acting classes and all the things is that
everybody did to have the ability to do it, you
want to exercise.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And I think for the moment, we still are looking
for that in film and television and streaming and all
we want to see the soul of the performance. And
anything that I've seen that's made completely with AI doesn't
it leaves me cold.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's not even interesting to look at because it looks
like a cartoon. To me, it feels going to get better.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Feels stiff, and it's not quite real even when you
know they have aoc speaking and saying the words that
somebody's putting in their mouth. Or I just saw Joe
Rogan this morning of AI, of Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Did you see the ballroom, the AI of the new
ballroom that's going in and the big party.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, it's very good. Yeah, you know all that stuff
like they're getting better, better and good, but it still
doesn't look real. There's an uncanny valley aspect of an
unreal ness to it that means that looks like that,
like Anime looks like this, and AI looks like this.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And as a union, we did just put in place
some guardrails, some barricades surrounding AI. And then what we
need is this federal legislation, which I think people do
have an appetite to, you know, to put some restrictions
on what it's about allowed to do, but also that
a human being has to give consent and be compensated
to be used in the blender, right, which is what
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we fought for one of the things in our strike
right right.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, it would be nice if people who are using
donating their voices and faces and otherwise talent emotions that
have been copied are getting compensated in some way. Yeah,
that'd be great. Yeah, I'm all for that. I'm all
for that, and less like when people are stealing you know,
my scripts. I'd be great somebody were to be compensated
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for those ideas in that style or whatever. It's so
don't be alone with.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
There was a thing recently where the new terms of
service on we transfer said that anything that we've used
like any self tape, which that's a whole another story,
but all the self tape that we all have been doing,
that's the new thing and it's here to stay that
that they can use that to train AI And it
was in the terms of it was hidden in the
terms of service. So we also are like, wait a minute,
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like whistleblower watchdog and got them to take it down, right,
so they cannot do that. But I think of all
the things that I have sent in like dropbox or
we you know, and and that you know, those brilliant
performances that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Sure, the self tape is the best performance always. I
know a lot of people who are very hard in
this self tapement, very proud of those performances, very proud.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean, I think the.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Performance they say, oh you just need a camera and lighting,
and I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Think it's true.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I agree, now it's not true.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They know in thirty seconds whether you're right. I went
on an audition in person recently and I felt like
I was going to like a cocktail.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, what does that feel like? What does that?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was so excited.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You got to meet the casting director and the producer.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, it's just a cast okay, but fun. But it
was just it just reminded me of old time.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Was it nice to also get a note and then
maybe it can do it again?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes? Yes, I also sit in her waiting room with
other actresses. Yes, Hi, I sign it, chit chat, Oh you're.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Going to get this one's that's that's fabulous. The social
aspect of being in show business was always part of it.
That's always part of the appeeal even as a kid.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
For sure, The part of it is I have like
friends that I met on auditions, I've been friends with
for twenty years, so much better than the little tiny
boxes on the screen.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, it's oh, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I'm not good at that. It's just it feels delayed
and weird. And I'm like, where do I look?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, look at the camera right down the Yeah,
I don't know. Let's talk about Neo baby. Okay, so
you guys are net twice nepo to twice double neo baby.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I'm a scorpio with a double nepo. Rising.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
People are saying, well, Jay, you're a Neppo baby. It's like, yeah,
I was right, Okay, So how do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Harder?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, harder? Okay, tell me why?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Because the name got you in the door sometimes sometimes
sometimes sometimes when we were younger, I'm just yeah, I like,
who does she look like?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That sounds easier getting in the door, Getting in the
door with the name sounds easier than what Joe from
Milwaukee has to do.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Then once you're in the door, Yeah, you've got a
score right rhy.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, I mean that's so does so does everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Writing it made it harder? But not it wasn't necessarily
you know, nothing was handed. I don't think there was
anything ever hand did because of that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Right, Well, here's the argument I have, So I would
say I would disagree with you. I would say that
we had more opportunities at a younger age, Yeah, to
do a lot of things that a lot of other
people didn't get to do. Yes, and that's a given.
That's the NEPO. That's the advantage of NEPO. Baby. What
the disadvantage is maybe other people look ashuw at us
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and are like figuring out, like, well, did they have
any talent at all? They didn't have to have talent
to get here, So then you then have to produce,
You have to perform, You have to show up with
something that's worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I mean, you know, I think the negative might be
in that people think it's easy. So the perception is
that it's easier, and then it's sort of like, how
how do you keep up? How do you you know,
with a father that was as big as Sinatra, with
a mom that like broke a lot of glass ceilings, Like,
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how do you rise to that in your own timeline
without feeling like shit?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So you feel a little bit like you're under the
shadow of the reputation of the of the parent perhaps,
so like that, am I going to be as big
or as successful in all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, I mean a reputation to not just talent. Yes,
like we have a lot of stuff to live down, true,
you know, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Right, But I mean I don't know if there was
if you were boys, I think there'd be a little
harsher on you in terms of being your dad's son.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
He has and he has a son, and it's harder
on him, I think being the only boy.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I also think that you know, he didn't choose the
path of showbiz either, so it maybe that leg him. Yeah,
he was more behind the scenes, but he wasn't the
show person.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
All right, Well you bring up Eddie Fisher. So let's
talk a little bit about Eddie Fisher. So as you say,
Eddie Fisher one of the biggest music stars in the
history of like at that moment, he was not what
he was bigger, nobody was bigger. Hit after hit after hit,
I mean, wife after wife after wife, right, all that stuff.
So like that seems like that is a little bit
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of a something to negotiate when you're a kid, Like,
how do you deal with that? How you do with
all the moms, all the ex wives and the thing.
Like at one time you told me, or maybe it
was Carrie was saying, like, they're all my mom. She
was talking about Debbie.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Next door to Debbie.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, you know, she was Elizabeth. She was hanging out
with Elizabeth Taylor, and she was like, she's saying, there,
they're all kind of like very mother figures to.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Me, not to me.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, I mean, we love Debbie, right, we called her,
I mean I called her mom and Ebbs not later
in life, but you know, she would tell stories of us,
like you know, growing up next door, like oh, Connie's
out on the road again, right, you know, But we
didn't rely have to deal with it. I think mom
(24:03):
did a really good job of sheltering right, not but
not really ever speaking ill of him.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Really we discovered that on our own.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, but well, yeah, what was your relationship ultimately like
with your dad at the through your youth and then
towards the end.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I think we cultivated a relationship later on. I think
when we were younger, you know, it was very very very.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Sporadic sometimes waiting with our little snoopy suitcase because he
was going to come and take us and.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
For the net.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, or one time he did actually come and we got.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
In this big white Cadillac and he was taking us
to a baseball game because that's we loved basely, sure
of course, and we got into an accident on the way.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, he knocked us tooth oust. Yeah, and we never
made it to go to the game.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
But we I mean we had and we all had
all the all of us girls had different relationships with
him and at different times and felt very very close
at some point in time, and I kind of forced
myself on him in that sounds weird, but into his life.
At sixteen, I was going away to school and said
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marched into my mom and I was like, I'm gonna
go stay with Eddie for like two weeks before I
go to Paris. And she was like, well, you've got
a call first.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And I ended up staying with him in this brownstone
on seventy fourth Street and Central Park West, and he
tried to kind of not parent me, but he's like, oh,
are you going out?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know? And I was like, yeah, I'm going out,
And yeah, I did the same thing. Later, I was
about nineteen where I ended up staying at his apartment
in New York. But before that it was that same Brownstone.
I mean there's some you know. I went to go
visit him at fourteen, Yeah, and he didn't let me in.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
What was why?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
What did he say about that?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He was well showed up in. My mom was on
the road, and you know, I know he knew I
was coming in my little matching polka dot mini outfit,
and I took myself in a cab from JFK. And
I thought, oh, he's probably out getting groceries and things
to prepare for my arrival. You know, that's why he's
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not here. And then I ended up on the stoop
and you know, ringing the bell, ringing the bell, dragging
my suitcase to a PHAM booth and he never did
open the door.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So I sat in the movie theater. I mean, it's
very sad.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Did he pay for the shrink bills?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, so that there you go. If you're not going
to open the door, you better pay for the shrink bills.
Well that's rough. Yeah, that's really rough. I mean, that's
that's that's yeah. How do you deal with that? I mean,
and then how do you then still, even after all that,
try to make amends and try to find that connection
Like that takes a lot of inner strength, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean, it's a lot of understanding outside of your
own pain about it that. You know, my mom would
always say, we have to be carefully taught. And my
dad did not have an upbringing where he really ever
learned how to take care of himself or anybody else.
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And then although he was the breadwinner, he was that,
but then he was you know, he had a drug
addiction and so he never developed and he just would
become overwhelmed with whatever the moment, in anxiety or whatever,
and then he couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
He was a big super fan though too, Like he
when we would sing, and he was just like he said,
I'm a singer, but you're a singer.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Point And what about Mom? How does she was she
more of a critic or is she more of a
super fan?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, she has notes like from the burial laying there,
she's like, you know, you don't have to write. Still
has notes yes, about the outfit, about you know, pushing
you know, all of it.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I have tried to my son as a musician. Yeah,
and I've tried very hard to stay out of it,
to not give notes, but to be encouraging and to
say you do what you want, you do what makes
you feel good. Fine, you're going to find your way.
You're gonna that's the If it was not talented boy,
I would tell him a heartbeat, absolutely, I would say
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this is not you, this is I don't think this
is free. But if he was not talented but but
getting record contracts, I would shut the hell up. But
if somebody was struggling and not talented, I would say,
I don't know, I don't I'm also not I'm sixty
years like I'm not. I'm too old to be judging
what pop music is right now. But I can only
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tell you that I'm still a producer and I hire
people anything. And I don't see. I don't see what
it is is that you're trying to sell. But maybe
that I might say that, but only out of like care.
But I mean, it's everybody has their own dream. My
dad told me not to be a writer. My dad,
Arnie Cogan, famous comedy writer, took me aside and said,
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you know, you should be an agent or a producer,
an agent, but not.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Because of your talent, mainly because of the road that
a difficult life.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Say, it's not because do you think.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
That they had any fear of us being better than them?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I do.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't think so. I think they had fear of
us failing and being struggling. When I won one more
any any than my father. He couldn't have been happier.
He really was. He was just when I got a
job on a TV show. He's so thrilled. But that
was his big feel to.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Be alone with Jay Cogan because he might want to
keep telling you how much better he is, still better
than David Kelly.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's true. I was better. I have an award that
I won against David Kelly. And I'm so you are
objective better than you can comparison.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You have a physical proof exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I have that award. But I mean, but now,
do you think mom or Dad were competitive competitive?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I don't know about Dad, but maybe our mom because
we're women, and you know you don't want to pass
that torch when you're not ready to pass the torch.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Our moms. I think this is a mom thing. I
think moms are just fix your hair. The thing like,
there are a lot there's a lot of criticism, Yes,
the way to this better speak.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I got that a lot. She was thin always, I got.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, how did you? How did you? How did you
internalize that?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I stayed fat? Okay, just to show her but I
could do it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, But how did you internalize that?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That criticis like there's like, my god, a lifelong disordered
eating life long right, yeah, okay, I mean, and I
feel good about what I look like right now and
she still thinks. Now she's saying, you're so thin right right,
your face is getting you might want to.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I know. It's very it's very interesting. It's love. It's
it's a form of love.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, but it is, of course, and you're we're made
in their image right right, like the Lord.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And they want the best for you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And we're mothers too, and we have to be very
conscious of not doing that. I don't have any girls.
I've got three boys, and she's got three girls. So
I really try to be conscious about that because I
definitely felt as amazing of a mother as my mom
is and was. I definitely felt critiqued in every moment.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, we all have to they all have to have
moments and tell our kids to shape up.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
For sure, Mom is not a critique of how we parent.
I don't think no. She she she was like, these
are my grandchildren, this is my you know whatever, because
she loved them and whatever. But she often has said
what great mothers we are, you know. And partners as well.
My mom was never married longer than three years, so
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we were stayers.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, didn't didn't have a lot of partners, but had
a lot of great Christmas parties.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
She had a lot of parts, not long partners, but
a lot of partners, a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Of partners, big parties, big parties, big party parties.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
She loved a tent, yes, and some catering and red
buttons and red buttons and Milton Burrel.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Sure are your kids getting into the business.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yes, I have a step son who's in a band
called Midland. You know, I've been his mom for nine years,
so you know, uh, it's not a chip off my block.
But and my daughter Skyler is on her way to
being like the youngest female first a d in New
York City. She's currently working on Doublewars Pradact. Yeah, and
(32:59):
I don't know what will do I don't know what
my middle daughter, and then my youngest Luna is she'll
be a hip hop, dancing, makeup artist, sas talking, you know,
whatever she wants, right. And my three boys.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
My oldest Hudson, he's an amazing singer, songwriter, and an actor.
I directed, an actor. He's currently the voice of Spider
Man in the new series. And he's just extremely talented.
I mean, I'm not just saying that like it's.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's I can't possibly know, you're the mom, of course,
I mean, of course.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I can objectively talent.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I understand my I think my son is objectively a
great singer song with yes, exactly. But again we're clouded.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
We have a clouded yes. Yes. And then my other
two I don't know yet. You know, my little one
is like into being shredded and working out, and he's sixteen.
He's a he's an athlete. And then my middle one, Holden,
could potentially be behind the scenes, like more posts into
editing and marketing and things like that. So we'll see.
I left out Colin. He's behind the scenes kind of a.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And both those boys have made me a glama four times.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh is that right? Yeah, all right, anybody running a
hedge fund is anybody.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I would like it. I like a hedge fund in
the family. Maybe they'll marry a hedge fund.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Okay, but this is again, this is the problem. I mean,
my kid went to Stanford University. He got a degree
in political and uh international.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Relations, so he has something to fall back on, I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
But it's sort of like it's never going to do
that ever. No, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Wow, he's he's very good at parties and.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Good at parties. It's true. Tell me about the Fisher, Steven,
tell me about the beauty good.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Lord, we have to beauty mobiles.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes, yeah, Well mom started a skincare line whatever, Spring
by Connie Stephens forty years ago, right, and you know
it was brought products and they said put your name
on this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
She was like, no, I want to find my own way,
you know, create my own And she was basically the
first celebrity on home shopping to sell her own skincare line.
And she would get on there and talk to her
ladies and you know it kind of like took over
her life, her business life and afforded her Yes, yes,
(35:22):
that was her fallback of course.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well right, so but you guys are involved in this
too now, so.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
We yes, we decided to you know, bring it up
to date and streamline the packaging and make it you know,
more modern and clean, the ingredients and all of that
to compete with what's out there now and there's new
technology and skincare. So we did that and now we
are going for it with Fisher Stevens Beauty.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Okay, fantastic, So but I mean it's a whole other
world like manufacturing something, yes, and you know, coming up
with something.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Event and the names and the inside of it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Also just like making sure all the things that are
they're supposed to be and they're right and they feel
right and customer's satisfaction and making sure that people think
all that stuff is a whole other world.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yes it isn't, but it's so today's world, right, So,
like everything is e commerce and and the shopify and
the TikTok shop and you're targeted and if we can
get you know, all those ladies that are at home
throughout the past like decade buying, you know, all these
products to for you know, to stay youthful and you know, yeah,
(36:30):
and the marketing.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Aspect of it is actually, you know, it's it's easier
now to do that kind of thing on your own
than it was, and that you had to find avenues
to you know, to promote and now you can just
have people filming things and and sort of get that
word out that way on social media.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
How much of your energy goes to that versus everything else?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Enough we need to put more energy. Yeah, it depends
on what's going on, you know, in our showbiz lives.
But we that's the other way that we work well
together is that, you know, if Jolie's got something going
on that's taking up all her time, whether it's like
SAG stuff or a movie or whatever, we sort of
shift who deals with things that are coming in with
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with our products.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Don't be alone with you mentioned SAG. I'm part of
the coalition.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Thank god for you.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
She whiz, So thank you first of all for thank
you for your service.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Right, thank you. It is my honor and my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Nobody it's that's a that's a that's a bear, that's
a mountain.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
The really quick sort of reader's digest version was in
twenty twenty, the pandemic had started and there was a
contract that was being passed through with the prior administration
where all the seniors lost their healthcare in the middle
of the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Eighty two hundred people.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Who were our icons, our veterans of show business who
were told they had healthcare until they died, and Asner
and you know, you know, everybody you can think of,
and including our parents, right, So if you were sixty
five and you know anyway, the other they have Medicare.
That's fine. So I and along with Sean Aston and
(38:32):
Lisa an Walter and some other people who weren't in
service of the union still, I had done it many
years ago, got on Instagram Live and passed the mic
and said, do not vote yes on this contract.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Do not vote yes.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We got the most people to vote no on a contract.
It's still passed. We have very low voter turnout. People
have apathy.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
They don't They're like, I didn't even know you were
having an election.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
What do you mean? Most SAG members don't even know
their SAG members, Like there's like a.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Whole right they throw away their ballot or you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Because well a lot of people can get into SAGA,
but then they don't. They're not actors anymore, right, right.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, if you're not due's current, you don't get a ballot.
So if a ballot landed on your desk or at
a business manager or whatever, So we kind of ran
screaming towards I ran screaming towards a national office of
Secretary Treasurer because it was what mom did in the
early two thousands. One of the things that she desperately
wanted to do was for SAG Aftra then Legacy SAG
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was to own their own headquarters. She went shopping around,
she found a little lot and you know, for nineteen
million dollars, which we had at the time, she could
have bought this lot. It's now netflix and worth a billion,
you know, or the property alone. Right, So they were like,
we're not in the real estate business. So every other
union owned their own building. Guess what, Jolie did.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
We bought a building.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So I'm excited about like seeing that to fruition on
Connie's behalf, and I'd love to name the theater Connie
Stephens's Theater if that comes, if that happens, and you know,
the finance and so financial solvency of the union is
one thing I also am big on the AI protections,
big on women's rights, big on inequity and inclusion.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
And I was talking about the time, the time you
have to put into this.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Enormous when you're also trying to do this, trying to
have a career, you're a mom of a thousand kids. Like, honestly,
it gave me.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
It gave me a purpose during the pandemic that I
did that I know you need. Yeah, it really did.
And I love when members are like, thank you for
thank you for everything that you did. I called the foundation.
I got this, I get what's your problem. That's not
really my purview, but I know the right person to call,
Like whatever it is, I'm like, always slide into my
(40:43):
DMS and ask me. I'll tell you where to go.
It does take a lot of my time. And then
I realized when we were coming out of it that
you know, I got I have to do my careers
in the shitter right right. So working a lot lately
has been like just a real you know, a real
boon for me.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
And I'm excited about it.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And but I still am going back into run for
more service. But I'm sort of able to now, like
compartmentalize a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So I think that a lot of people maybe think that,
you know, the celebrities that get voted into leadership roles
like paid, get paid, or they don't really do anything.
And then it's like I'm looking at this check on
zoom for eight hours in a row, and I'm amazed
at the amount of work that it takes.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Sure, So the negotiations were like a rough time. And
then of course we pulled you know, strike authorization from
the membership who agreed, yes, we need to strike. We
haven't gotten anything meaningful in a deal since like the
sixties when we got a health plan, right when all
those people gave up their residuals Shirley Jones and you know,
and we felt that we did there were a few
(42:00):
things that we were able to you know, cross through.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Here's something that'll.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Make you like your stomach turn is that we go
into negotiations for twenty twenty six, like the strike was
three years ago, so we have a contract expiring.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Oh I know. I mean, I'm a member of multiple DGA,
the WGA, and it's just always a nightmare every time,
and it's getting worse and worse because the industry is
in a very weird place right very well. So we're
not I mean, I don't want to give any anything away,
but we're not in a great position right now.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
But I'm running for president of Los Angeles and my
whole idea is I'm going to take that razor sharp
focus that I had on my position nationally and concentrate
on bringing production back to Los Angeles and back to
this country for that matter. Tariffs don't work, but incentives do,
and tax credits due, and the governor has signed into
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law this into the budget for twenty twenty six a
good deal amount of money competitively with other markets.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So I hope, I hope it reaches US.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I hope it gets The post is gone to by
the way.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I know, I know people have been shows in everywhere,
but yes, Ireland and Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I heard like a studio head tell this writer, director,
does it take place in La? Do you have to
shoot it in La? Because it takes place in LA?
And they were like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
This is Hollywood?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean it may not be Hollywood for
much longer in terms of like having the pool everybody
in one spot, right, doing the thing. Yeah, that may
be one of the things that we could say. You know,
in the old days, we had silence and uh, and
then the talkies came in and changed things.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
So that it changes the ecosystem completely.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
When you see little restaurants or the dry cleaners across
from Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's all affected everything, all of our you know.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And we live in a very expensive city, in a
very expensive state, and that's our main business.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Right, It's exactly got one. Maybe maybe we need some.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
More, I don't know, a couple of morks.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Okay, So now we have a question time. What was
it like growing up in Beverly Hills. It says living
fast and young is how it seems from afar.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Well, we didn't really grow up in Beverly. I mean,
we went to Beverly Hills High that's when we weren't
in the district. So you know, I'm just I'm breaking
this noise now that my mom got us an apartment
because she had moved to Canada to do a TV show.
So Jolie and I had our own apartment in tenth
and eleventh grade. We called it Fisherman's Wharf across the
street from Beverly Hills High and we lived alone.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
All right? And how was that?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
It was fun? Really to do what the hell you wanted?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
All right? So were you bad?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Did you do bad? Yeah? It seems like I would
be always bad, you know what. We we had to
like make sure that we we were alive, right, so
we had to keep each other alive, so we weren't
so bad.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
But no, okay, take yourselves out of you. There are
two girls that you don't know. Yeah, and they are
going to go to high school in Beverly Hills in
the late seventies, early eighties and seventies, late eighties, late eighties,
and you know, all the temptation, all the drugs, all
(45:27):
the things are available to them. They're going to live alone, yeah,
across from the high school.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, but every and they're beautiful.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And they're beautiful and they're people. Are going to get good.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Grades and do the plays and make sure she got
to her dentist appointment and all right.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, I mean it seems sounds like not a great range.
Sounds like as a father, I'm concerned. I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It was concerned. Fortunately our father didn't care. Yeah, nobody cared.
Many we did, all right.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
That's one of the many, many ways. I'm not Eddie
Fisher of them many ways, but that's just one of them. Yeah,
all right, but you did okay, all right, but a
lot lessons from that, yes, yes, which is what.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I didn't want to say.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, okay, all right, no lesson to be shared, all right,
but you learned some lessons, yes, okay. Where is being
a mom in the hierarchy of your lives? Oh? Wow?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
For me, I mean it's you know what, it's it's
number one in certain ways. But my kids are kind
of at a stage right now where where they don't
need me, and that's a weird place to be after
doing it for this many years. I mean, they still
need you, you know. We're still giving advice and we're
(46:43):
still chiming in on everything and paying for most things.
But yeah, it's it's it's hard to hand over that
that role, you know, like I made lunch boxes for
you know, twenty twenty years and then just recently I
(47:05):
stopped doing that, right, right, It was weird.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
But a lot of when you have a whole other career,
that things going on in your life. So yes, it's
a lot of moms, that's all They do and they
have to spend a real long time finding a new purpose,
that's a new thing to do with their lives.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It still hurts just as much even if you have
something else going on. Oh yeah, yeah, because Samese, Yeah,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, what part hurts that you wish that they were
still little kids who needed you, just.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
That the you know, yeah, that they would climb in
your bed and tell you about.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
It's the contact, and it's the it's the family, the
way that it was and how we were together a lot,
and it was like this group of people that did
things which we totally got from Mom. Yes, and so
now it's like, well, he's over there, and he's over there,
and he's going to be at a friend's house and
oh are you coming back? Okay?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So it's just it feels different, right, I'm proud of
them and I it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
I'm just saying for you guys mourning the loss of
what was. Yes, I get it, for sure, And I'm
like every now and then I see a picture of
my kid when I could hold him like this, I
wish I had that. But then you know, there's the
greatness of what is right. I agree, So we have
to embrace the now and then maybe we get little
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grand babies.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Like I had one period of time, short period of
time where I had all five kids in the house
and it was like a dream.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It was a circus.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
It was that sounds like not a dream.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean, they're so different ages, but yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
When I have none, I want to have none. It's weird. Yeah,
when I dropped off holding it in Boulder, I was just,
you know, it was like this terribly sad, you know,
but also exciting. And I was excited for him. And
now he's back. We know why.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Mom would occasionally you take us to the airport, but
when she did, she would stand there sobbing as.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
You like, you know, and I was like, why is
she crying?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Whatever? You know? And now I know why. Yes, it's
like your heart walking around outside of your body.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Of course, you've given them so much of your heart
and they always will have it. That's that's I mean,
it's beautiful though, but it's okay, that's all right, all right. Uh,
last question from this group of questions, Uh, what is
the best and worst things you got from your parents?
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And go oh, god. I mean I've.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I have, like in my life struggled with addiction, not
in the way that my father was an addict or
Carrie was an addict, but with stuff and with and
feel okay now and you know I but I have
throughout my life like wanted to silence demons and critics
(50:05):
and all that kind of thing. So I did use substances.
And did you say best and worst?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I did the worst so much, both parents, you know,
and coming at you.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
A lot of that's in the bloodstream. And then best
things like drive, hustle, finding joy and things you know,
moms and a cock eyed optimist like she's she says
there's always something wonderful that's going to happen around the corner,
just and that implies that she's full of wonder which
you know, I try to be, like I want to
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see the world like that, even though it's hard right now.
And and our and our talents like those came at
us fast.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Your question, did they come from your parents? I don't
know that that's true. I don't know that's true.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
I mean there's people that are born to talented people
that don't. I went to with a bunch of Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
I feel like I got a lot of both of
them in the sound of my voice and the like
the vulnerability that I bring or the funny that I'm
whatever in my I think acting, you can be born
with like a bit of skills, but you know, you're
just always learning, always, always always.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
But I think the singing thing, yeah, I feel like
the singing thing is we both got it. We got
dropped and we've been singing the whole time. Since we
were children. We were able to hit notes and you know,
hear a key and harmonize. I think that's somewhat genetic,
and then you have to work at it to develop
(51:51):
it and expand. I don't read music, no, right, I
have a husband who does that.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
All right, Well, now it's time for listener mail. Now
it's time for listener man. Dear Jane Gas. When I
was growing up, I thought I'd have a house and
a family and a job that gave me satisfaction. I
have none of those things. What do you do when
reality doesn't meet expectation?
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Mirah, Wow, Well I augment reality. You may, I mean
you you have to. You have to be live in
the present moment, and you know, stay stay positive, somehow
ground yourself in what you do have and stay in
gratitude for what for you know, what is positive and
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move in that direction.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Do you think that giving up on this idea of
the house and the family and the like whatever, this
is like that image giving throwing that away and saying
I'm going to I'm going to try and find a
satisfaction what is now and also pick dreams that are
available to me or to other things to make me happening.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
You know, we have several friends that never found that
right person and didn't have children, and you know.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I was sorry, sorry ladies.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
By choice though too, by choice? Well, I think it's
it's yes, it's it's a little of both.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Sometimes it's a choice and then it passes you by
or whatever, right, and and then you find out what
the reasons are that your path was that, and then
there's some great gifts in that and it's a trade off.
So maybe there's something really powerful in not going down
that road that was meant for her to explore in
(53:38):
her life journey.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Right, I mean, one of the things that you can
say is the path that you took is the path
you took, and now you're here, and what can you
make of that path?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Right, So now from starting from this moment, what.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Is what will make it fulfilling for you?
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, Tamira, Mira, fine, the next thing that you want, yes,
and go after and go for that thing.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Being back and being regretful or is never going to
bring you anything.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Right unless you're learning some good lesson, which is rare.
But looking back is not helpful. Certainly envying other people
is really unhelpful. That is that is a recipe for unhappiness. Yes,
the recipe for happiness is to embrace. Let you what
you're saying, Embrace what you have, find joy as much
as you can with it, and then move forward looking
for more joy and in other things.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yes, new purpose, come on, new purpose, new purpose out there,
it's in there, all right.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Well, this has been fantastic, so thank you so much
for doing this.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
The Fisher Girls were still around.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
You guys thought the Fisher girls weren't around. The Fier
girls are still here.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, we're still here.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Well, this is this has been fantastic anyway, thank you
for being here, and thank you for being here my audience.
If don't be alone, audience, please tune in next time.
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This is really good. I love you, and I really
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I will respond and we will have a nice communication.
That makes me very happy to communicate with you. We
have a great show today. It's fantastic to have my
guests on. I have Trisha Lee Fisher and Jolie Fisher. Now,
these two actresses, singers, writers, directors, entrepreneurs, sisters are here
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and I've known them since I was little because my father,
Arnie Cogan, the great writer, wrote for their mother, the
great singer, actress, Connie Stevens, and so our families kind
of became friends, and I was friendly with them and
hung out with them a little bit here and there.
Tricia and Jolie, their mother's Connie Stevens. Their father is
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Eddie Fisher. Eddie Fisher, one of the biggest singers in
the history of singers. It's an incredible show business family story.
We'll also talk about how to move your life forward,
because it's not all about show business, about living a
real life and trying to be actualized and trying to
be smart and wonderful and change and grow. And both
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Jolie and Tricia have other things that are going on
in their lives, including being a mom and being wives
and being you know, taking care of other businesses. They've
got a lot going on. They're very actualized people, very
talented people, and very sweet people. And I'm thrilled that
they're here, and I'm thrilled that you get to chance
to meet them and get to know them a little
bit like I do. And we'll see that right after this.
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Don't be alone with j Tricia and Jolie. Thank you
for being here. I am so excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We're excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Family. Yeah, yeah, I wack wait till episode one hundred
and thirty to get family on. So it's fine, you know,
it's all right, it's good.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well it got around to it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. But we were
sitting at Nay now's not long ago, and Jolie said,
you should have us on, you should have nutrition in
me on.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I went sure, And so that was seven years ago.
We've been through a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's all strike fires, and I.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Said yes, without thinking, what will we talk about? And
then I started thinking about it, because of course, you
guys don't have problems talking about anything. You have plenty
to talk about. But one of the interesting things about
the facts of our life, all three of us, is
that we grew up in show business and it has
enveloped our lives to the point where we're still in
(03:55):
show business. Like this is y. We were show business
kids and we're still in show was and the show
don't be along with Jake Cogan, it's all about my
guess helping me solve my problem. So my problem is this,
why what the fuck are we doing in sho seriously?
Like what what made us do it? I kind of
know kind of what seemed appealing to me as a
(04:17):
kid about it, but as adults, it's it's so much
harder and so much tougher and so much weirder. And
it's kind of like you guys were kid actors, like
you were started acting young and being in show was young,
and seeing young I did too, Like I got my
sad card when I was ten years old. Like it's
like we made these decisions, too young to make these decisions.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And that's like joined we all ran towards it exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
None of our parents said you should do this, let
me do this. But it's very interesting. How why why
do you.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Think mom said she couldn't stop us with a train,
That's what she used to say.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, I think it feels natural. It feels like
home to be on stage. And we were always putting
on shows when we were little. Like at your mottos
with the paper doors. Sure you know this one does.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Lots of kids put on shows when they're ten years
old and they don't become you know, stars, right, they'll
become you know you guys did the word the show
business work that followed the idea of yeah, let's put on.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Shows, and you have to really have a passion and
the tenacity for it because it's hard, it's not easy.
And maybe a little bit of talent and you have
to have talent.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yes, Now here's the other thing. Having grown up in
show business, we have seen the arc of show business
and fame where people come up and people come down.
Our family friends, hugest stars in the world in nineteen
seventy people don't know who they are by nineteen ninety, right, okay,
that thing. If you're a TikTok star in March I
(05:54):
think you may be done, you know, like by June,
like it may be over with.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
A billion dollars. Maybe maybe I know, not all them,
they all get a million others.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think there's mister beasts. There's a few people who've
got a lot of money, and then there's a lot
of people who make a little money or we're a
nice chunk of money. But it's hard, really hard to
sustain this.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And they spend it all because they think it's going
to keep flowing in and it's not based on it.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
We would do that everybody in show business. You've just
described every single person in show business like, oh, it's always.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Gonna flow Sea Hammer.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. You know my my
my father is very frugal. Yeah, doesn't spend anything. And
I'm much more like my mother was, just like, you know,
spend it. Here, go shopping. Let's go because because more
will come. Of course will come, of course, and I
hope so, but I'm not garing. I'm not counting on
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We were taught our drive in our hustle, and also
that retail therapy actually works.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, exactly right, for a minute, let's go shopping. Yes,
that was a threat in our house.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Okay, So between the two of you, was there one
of you that was sort of like more of let's
put a show and come along, or does you were
both pushing each other.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean you were maybe a little more theater just
Bossier boss, not necessarily, but but I think we both
like take our.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Rightful positions and things too. Like we take on things,
you know, Okay, you handle the thing, where we do
the thing. You know, like we have a secondhand, We
have a whole language.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You don't have to like delegate to each other different
roles because it's sort of automatic in who we are
and what we are good at.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
What are the roles? What do you do well? My
mom calls.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Jolie the hammer.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
She's like, you're not talking about Choz now you're talking
about that. Oh yeah, somebody I've experienced the hammer.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm a protector. I'm a protector. Yeah. She's not afraid
to be a total bitch. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I wouldn't say the bitch. She has an eye on
organization and she's gonna make it happen. And if, like
you want somebody to be in charge or something, She's
not a bad person to be in charge of that thing.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, in a certain way. Now, I'm actually a better
person to be in charge of things in a quiet way. Okay,
in justice, sort of dry work, welfare, the radar, she's
sort of like, you know, the hammer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, so tell me the benefits of the quiet way
versus the not quiet way.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But in other words, by doing that, are you more inclusive?
Do you have other people's ideas? Are you hearing things
more or you have less of a vision? Do you
have more equal amount of vision? But you're just sort
of being more participating.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We're going deep on this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You brought it up.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think that I always wanted everybody around all the time,
and that might have been to a fault. Like I
surrounded myself. I wanted everybody to do.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think that that's important in this business too, is
that if I get to be in a place where
I can have my sister, my husband, my friends around,
my writing friends, you know, everybody, I want them involved
in every project.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Right. So I'm that's kind of like I think that's important.
I like that too. Yeah, yeah, we both like that.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, it makes sense because you you grew up in
a family that was doing stuff together and show busy stuff,
and you had a show busy father and a show
busy mother. And if you get to see I saw
your mother performing in Las Vega, one of the first places,
the times I ever was in Las Vegas. I saw
your mom on stage at Caesars pal whatever some place
(09:22):
doing and that's all I knew. Was like, oh, there's
Aunt Connie doing things like I didn't know. She sang like.
I didn't get that exactly, but I was there. And
then she introduced my dad and I was very excited
because she induced Arnie Kogan. I was like, oh my god,
he must be important. I did.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I was around the time that Nordi Stein, her manager,
said you shouldn't do breakfast at Tiffany's.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You should go on the road. Is that true? This
is new information, damn it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And she went on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
She went on she took you guys on the road totally.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah, how was that? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We actually sang back up for my mom when we
were teenagers, and we used to get up and do
a song in the show. But then we became her
backup singer. She used to say, I grew my own
backup singer.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And that fun.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I think it was. Yes, it was incredibly fun, and
I think it created this sort of love for you know,
being gypsies and having different experiences in different towns and
hanging with the band. And I'm still doing that right now.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right What was your first memory of like really understanding
this is a show and they're putting on a show,
and I want to be part of this, or at
least it seems pretty cool that they're putting on a show.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I have a sweet story.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So I was three years old and we were my
mom was playing Hera's Casino and Reno, and we had
a Scottish governess of course, as one does governess governess,
and it was it was Mistine and.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
My mom on the track family exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
My mom came off the stage and her like sequin gown,
sweaty and salty and sexy and all the things that
she was. And they had the police there and they
were like, we can't find Jolie. You know that we
had I had disappeared backstage, but we would often be
in the dressing room, you know, putting together the mosaic
of creams and powders and putting her makeup back where
(11:21):
it was, but I was nowhere to be found, and
the concert mistress, the first chair violinist, in her long
black gown, was carrying me with her skirt over me
and spy and so my mom came over and she
was like, you know, she was upset. She also didn't
want to scare me, and she said, you can't just
disappear like that, Joeli. You're just a little girl and
(11:42):
everybody's looking for you. And I told her that I
wanted to hear the music from the inside. Oh so
I had gone up into the orchestra pit and fallen
asleep in the violin section. So I feel like my
like my affinity for the band, yes, but I also
had that sort of understanding of it from being you know,
(12:04):
just wanting more, wanting more from and being somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Love of music, right, love of art, Yeah, but there's
something different also about love of art professionally love of
art in front of people, in front of people at
a certain level.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I mean I kind of looked at mom actually as
like it was her her relationship was with the audience,
like she was maybe a lonely person without all of
that coming back at her.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Like, and she was a different person on stage which
I actually relate to because I'm doing that now and
I feel like there's a certain I feel like her.
I actually feel like sometimes channeling she's coming through me
in certain songs that I'm doing, or you know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
When you sing Kookie, lend me your cone.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I do like some of that way, I know. But
making people feel something, Yes, it's a given a take and.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
For sure, yeah, for sure. But okay, so who then?
Who leads to the second? Who do you feel like
you're becoming on stage? What is that entity?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I think I'm becoming more of myself, like I feel,
you know, in life, I have a lot of responsibilities.
I have my children. I put my children first. I'm
worried about what everybody else is worried about and what's
happening in the world and the house and the bills
(13:26):
and the school, and so I feel like when I'm
on stage, it nostalgically takes me to this place where
I get to like let my light shine and I'm
free and I'm loose and it's like this, It's like
this young, vibrant, a live moment that I get to
(13:46):
live and it feels like my true self.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I mean, I've first noticed the seventies on Sunday on
the all the platforms. Yeah, I guess during the pande right,
it's fantastic, and my son and I and my wife watched,
you know, look forward every week to the new song
and it was fun. But yes, then turned into a
more of a show. Yes, And so now I know
(14:12):
you're playing Vibratos.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
August twenty eighth, August twenty eight, I mean, we play regularly,
and it sort of became this thing that like grew
that we didn't expect to be doing at this point
in our lives. The way we're doing it, which is
full on and you're studying share.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, I guess that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I feel like now more than ever, with all the
AI and everything that's changing and all of that stuff,
that what's needed more than ever before is the humanity
and the individual voices of human beings and live performance
and the vibes of real people.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I agree, and I think maybe live performance like you
guys are doing is.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Going to be the only thing left.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It might be.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Honestly, you can't get AI to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I went to a couple of Broadway shows and I
felt that feeling in like a week ago, and I
sat there and I just sobbed because I felt like,
I'm I'm these people are I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I love doing a show like that.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And so I was sort of like, oh, I wish
I was on there. But the other part of it
was they're putting out like one hundred and fifty percent
every single night and telling the story as if it's
the first time that they're telling it to a whole
new group of people, and nobody gives less than one
hundred percent. And there and the audiences moved to cry,
to laugh, to stand up, to cheer, to all the things,
(15:36):
and and it is I thought that to myself, is
this the last of this medium?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like is this? This is it? They're living that moment
for the people to have an experience, and that's the
live thing that that is needed. And that's the one
thing that you know can't go well.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Also, they're living their dream of like I did all
this work my voice and my dance and my moves
and my acting classes and all the things is that
everybody did to have the ability to do it, you
want to exercise.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And I think for the moment, we still are looking
for that in film and television and streaming and all
we want to see the soul of the performance. And
anything that I've seen that's made completely with AI doesn't
it leaves me cold.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's not even interesting to look at because it looks
like a cartoon. To me, it feels going to get better.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Feels stiff, and it's not quite real even when you
know they have aoc speaking and saying the words that
somebody's putting in their mouth. Or I just saw Joe
Rogan this morning of AI, of Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Did you see the ballroom, the AI of the new
ballroom that's going in and the big party.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, it's very good. Yeah, you know all that stuff
like they're getting better, better and good, but it still
doesn't look real. There's an uncanny valley aspect of an
unreal ness to it that means that looks like that,
like Anime looks like this, and AI looks like this.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And as a union, we did just put in place
some guardrails, some barricades surrounding AI. And then what we
need is this federal legislation, which I think people do
have an appetite to, you know, to put some restrictions
on what it's about allowed to do, but also that
a human being has to give consent and be compensated
to be used in the blender, right, which is what
(17:21):
we fought for one of the things in our strike
right right.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, it would be nice if people who are using
donating their voices and faces and otherwise talent emotions that
have been copied are getting compensated in some way. Yeah,
that'd be great. Yeah, I'm all for that. I'm all
for that, and less like when people are stealing you know,
my scripts. I'd be great somebody were to be compensated
(17:46):
for those ideas in that style or whatever. It's so
don't be alone with.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
There was a thing recently where the new terms of
service on we transfer said that anything that we've used
like any self tape, which that's a whole another story,
but all the self tape that we all have been doing,
that's the new thing and it's here to stay that
that they can use that to train AI And it
was in the terms of it was hidden in the
terms of service. So we also are like, wait a minute,
(18:31):
like whistleblower watchdog and got them to take it down, right,
so they cannot do that. But I think of all
the things that I have sent in like dropbox or
we you know, and and that you know, those brilliant
performances that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Sure, the self tape is the best performance always. I
know a lot of people who are very hard in
this self tapement, very proud of those performances, very proud.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean, I think the.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Performance they say, oh you just need a camera and lighting,
and I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Think it's true.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I agree, now it's not true.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They know in thirty seconds whether you're right. I went
on an audition in person recently and I felt like
I was going to like a cocktail.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, what does that feel like? What does that?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was so excited.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You got to meet the casting director and the producer.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, it's just a cast okay, but fun. But it
was just it just reminded me of old time.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Was it nice to also get a note and then
maybe it can do it again?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes? Yes, I also sit in her waiting room with
other actresses. Yes, Hi, I sign it, chit chat, Oh you're.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Going to get this one's that's that's fabulous. The social
aspect of being in show business was always part of it.
That's always part of the appeeal even as a kid.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
For sure, The part of it is I have like
friends that I met on auditions, I've been friends with
for twenty years, so much better than the little tiny
boxes on the screen.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, it's oh, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I'm not good at that. It's just it feels delayed
and weird. And I'm like, where do I look?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, look at the camera right down the Yeah,
I don't know. Let's talk about Neo baby. Okay, so
you guys are net twice nepo to twice double neo baby.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I'm a scorpio with a double nepo. Rising.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
People are saying, well, Jay, you're a Neppo baby. It's like, yeah,
I was right, Okay, So how do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Harder?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, harder? Okay, tell me why?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Because the name got you in the door sometimes sometimes
sometimes sometimes when we were younger, I'm just yeah, I like,
who does she look like?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That sounds easier getting in the door, Getting in the
door with the name sounds easier than what Joe from
Milwaukee has to do.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Then once you're in the door, Yeah, you've got a
score right rhy.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, I mean that's so does so does everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Writing it made it harder? But not it wasn't necessarily
you know, nothing was handed. I don't think there was
anything ever hand did because of that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Right, Well, here's the argument I have, So I would
say I would disagree with you. I would say that
we had more opportunities at a younger age, Yeah, to
do a lot of things that a lot of other
people didn't get to do. Yes, and that's a given.
That's the NEPO. That's the advantage of NEPO. Baby. What
the disadvantage is maybe other people look ashuw at us
(21:24):
and are like figuring out, like, well, did they have
any talent at all? They didn't have to have talent
to get here, So then you then have to produce,
You have to perform, You have to show up with
something that's worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I mean, you know, I think the negative might be
in that people think it's easy. So the perception is
that it's easier, and then it's sort of like, how
how do you keep up? How do you you know,
with a father that was as big as Sinatra, with
a mom that like broke a lot of glass ceilings, Like,
(21:56):
how do you rise to that in your own timeline
without feeling like shit?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So you feel a little bit like you're under the
shadow of the reputation of the of the parent perhaps,
so like that, am I going to be as big
or as successful in all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, I mean a reputation to not just talent. Yes,
like we have a lot of stuff to live down, true,
you know, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Right, But I mean I don't know if there was
if you were boys, I think there'd be a little
harsher on you in terms of being your dad's son.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
He has and he has a son, and it's harder
on him, I think being the only boy.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I also think that you know, he didn't choose the
path of showbiz either, so it maybe that leg him. Yeah,
he was more behind the scenes, but he wasn't the
show person.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
All right, Well you bring up Eddie Fisher. So let's
talk a little bit about Eddie Fisher. So as you say,
Eddie Fisher one of the biggest music stars in the
history of like at that moment, he was not what
he was bigger, nobody was bigger. Hit after hit after hit,
I mean, wife after wife after wife, right, all that stuff.
So like that seems like that is a little bit
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of a something to negotiate when you're a kid, Like,
how do you deal with that? How you do with
all the moms, all the ex wives and the thing.
Like at one time you told me, or maybe it
was Carrie was saying, like, they're all my mom. She
was talking about Debbie.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Next door to Debbie.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, you know, she was Elizabeth. She was hanging out
with Elizabeth Taylor, and she was like, she's saying, there,
they're all kind of like very mother figures to.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Me, not to me.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, I mean, we love Debbie, right, we called her,
I mean I called her mom and Ebbs not later
in life, but you know, she would tell stories of us,
like you know, growing up next door, like oh, Connie's
out on the road again, right, you know, But we
didn't rely have to deal with it. I think mom
(24:03):
did a really good job of sheltering right, not but
not really ever speaking ill of him.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Really we discovered that on our own.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, but well, yeah, what was your relationship ultimately like
with your dad at the through your youth and then
towards the end.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I think we cultivated a relationship later on. I think
when we were younger, you know, it was very very very.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Sporadic sometimes waiting with our little snoopy suitcase because he
was going to come and take us and.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
For the net.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, or one time he did actually come and we got.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
In this big white Cadillac and he was taking us
to a baseball game because that's we loved basely, sure
of course, and we got into an accident on the way.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, he knocked us tooth oust. Yeah, and we never
made it to go to the game.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
But we I mean we had and we all had
all the all of us girls had different relationships with
him and at different times and felt very very close
at some point in time, and I kind of forced
myself on him in that sounds weird, but into his life.
At sixteen, I was going away to school and said
(25:15):
marched into my mom and I was like, I'm gonna
go stay with Eddie for like two weeks before I
go to Paris. And she was like, well, you've got
a call first.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And I ended up staying with him in this brownstone
on seventy fourth Street and Central Park West, and he
tried to kind of not parent me, but he's like, oh,
are you going out?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know? And I was like, yeah, I'm going out,
And yeah, I did the same thing. Later, I was
about nineteen where I ended up staying at his apartment
in New York. But before that it was that same Brownstone.
I mean there's some you know. I went to go
visit him at fourteen, Yeah, and he didn't let me in.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
What was why?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
What did he say about that?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He was well showed up in. My mom was on
the road, and you know, I know he knew I
was coming in my little matching polka dot mini outfit,
and I took myself in a cab from JFK. And
I thought, oh, he's probably out getting groceries and things
to prepare for my arrival. You know, that's why he's
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not here. And then I ended up on the stoop
and you know, ringing the bell, ringing the bell, dragging
my suitcase to a PHAM booth and he never did
open the door.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So I sat in the movie theater. I mean, it's
very sad.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Did he pay for the shrink bills?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, so that there you go. If you're not going
to open the door, you better pay for the shrink bills.
Well that's rough. Yeah, that's really rough. I mean, that's
that's that's yeah. How do you deal with that? I mean,
and then how do you then still, even after all that,
try to make amends and try to find that connection
Like that takes a lot of inner strength, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean, it's a lot of understanding outside of your
own pain about it that. You know, my mom would
always say, we have to be carefully taught. And my
dad did not have an upbringing where he really ever
learned how to take care of himself or anybody else.
(27:23):
And then although he was the breadwinner, he was that,
but then he was you know, he had a drug
addiction and so he never developed and he just would
become overwhelmed with whatever the moment, in anxiety or whatever,
and then he couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
He was a big super fan though too, Like he
when we would sing, and he was just like he said,
I'm a singer, but you're a singer.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Point And what about Mom? How does she was she
more of a critic or is she more of a
super fan?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, she has notes like from the burial laying there,
she's like, you know, you don't have to write. Still
has notes yes, about the outfit, about you know, pushing
you know, all of it.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I have tried to my son as a musician. Yeah,
and I've tried very hard to stay out of it,
to not give notes, but to be encouraging and to
say you do what you want, you do what makes
you feel good. Fine, you're going to find your way.
You're gonna that's the If it was not talented boy,
I would tell him a heartbeat, absolutely, I would say
(28:33):
this is not you, this is I don't think this
is free. But if he was not talented but but
getting record contracts, I would shut the hell up. But
if somebody was struggling and not talented, I would say,
I don't know, I don't I'm also not I'm sixty
years like I'm not. I'm too old to be judging
what pop music is right now. But I can only
(28:53):
tell you that I'm still a producer and I hire
people anything. And I don't see. I don't see what
it is is that you're trying to sell. But maybe
that I might say that, but only out of like care.
But I mean, it's everybody has their own dream. My
dad told me not to be a writer. My dad,
Arnie Cogan, famous comedy writer, took me aside and said,
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you know, you should be an agent or a producer,
an agent, but not.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Because of your talent, mainly because of the road that
a difficult life.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Say, it's not because do you think.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
That they had any fear of us being better than them?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I do.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't think so. I think they had fear of
us failing and being struggling. When I won one more
any any than my father. He couldn't have been happier.
He really was. He was just when I got a
job on a TV show. He's so thrilled. But that
was his big feel to.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Be alone with Jay Cogan because he might want to
keep telling you how much better he is, still better
than David Kelly.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's true. I was better. I have an award that
I won against David Kelly. And I'm so you are
objective better than you can comparison.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You have a physical proof exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I have that award. But I mean, but now,
do you think mom or Dad were competitive competitive?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I don't know about Dad, but maybe our mom because
we're women, and you know you don't want to pass
that torch when you're not ready to pass the torch.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Our moms. I think this is a mom thing. I
think moms are just fix your hair. The thing like,
there are a lot there's a lot of criticism, Yes,
the way to this better speak.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I got that a lot. She was thin always, I got.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, how did you? How did you? How did you
internalize that?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I stayed fat? Okay, just to show her but I
could do it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, But how did you internalize that?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That criticis like there's like, my god, a lifelong disordered
eating life long right, yeah, okay, I mean, and I
feel good about what I look like right now and
she still thinks. Now she's saying, you're so thin right right,
your face is getting you might want to.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I know. It's very it's very interesting. It's love. It's
it's a form of love.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, but it is, of course, and you're we're made
in their image right right, like the Lord.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And they want the best for you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And we're mothers too, and we have to be very
conscious of not doing that. I don't have any girls.
I've got three boys, and she's got three girls. So
I really try to be conscious about that because I
definitely felt as amazing of a mother as my mom
is and was. I definitely felt critiqued in every moment.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, we all have to they all have to have
moments and tell our kids to shape up.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
For sure, Mom is not a critique of how we parent.
I don't think no. She she she was like, these
are my grandchildren, this is my you know whatever, because
she loved them and whatever. But she often has said
what great mothers we are, you know. And partners as well.
My mom was never married longer than three years, so
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we were stayers.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, didn't didn't have a lot of partners, but had
a lot of great Christmas parties.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
She had a lot of parts, not long partners, but
a lot of partners, a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Of partners, big parties, big parties, big party parties.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
She loved a tent, yes, and some catering and red
buttons and red buttons and Milton Burrel.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Sure are your kids getting into the business.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yes, I have a step son who's in a band
called Midland. You know, I've been his mom for nine years,
so you know, uh, it's not a chip off my block.
But and my daughter Skyler is on her way to
being like the youngest female first a d in New
York City. She's currently working on Doublewars Pradact. Yeah, and
(32:59):
I don't know what will do I don't know what
my middle daughter, and then my youngest Luna is she'll
be a hip hop, dancing, makeup artist, sas talking, you know,
whatever she wants, right. And my three boys.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
My oldest Hudson, he's an amazing singer, songwriter, and an actor.
I directed, an actor. He's currently the voice of Spider
Man in the new series. And he's just extremely talented.
I mean, I'm not just saying that like it's.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's I can't possibly know, you're the mom, of course,
I mean, of course.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I can objectively talent.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I understand my I think my son is objectively a
great singer song with yes, exactly. But again we're clouded.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
We have a clouded yes. Yes. And then my other
two I don't know yet. You know, my little one
is like into being shredded and working out, and he's sixteen.
He's a he's an athlete. And then my middle one, Holden,
could potentially be behind the scenes, like more posts into
editing and marketing and things like that. So we'll see.
I left out Colin. He's behind the scenes kind of a.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And both those boys have made me a glama four times.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh is that right? Yeah, all right, anybody running a
hedge fund is anybody.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I would like it. I like a hedge fund in
the family. Maybe they'll marry a hedge fund.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Okay, but this is again, this is the problem. I mean,
my kid went to Stanford University. He got a degree
in political and uh international.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Relations, so he has something to fall back on, I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
But it's sort of like it's never going to do
that ever. No, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Wow, he's he's very good at parties and.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Good at parties. It's true. Tell me about the Fisher, Steven,
tell me about the beauty good.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Lord, we have to beauty mobiles.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes, yeah, Well mom started a skincare line whatever, Spring
by Connie Stephens forty years ago, right, and you know
it was brought products and they said put your name
on this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
She was like, no, I want to find my own way,
you know, create my own And she was basically the
first celebrity on home shopping to sell her own skincare line.
And she would get on there and talk to her
ladies and you know it kind of like took over
her life, her business life and afforded her Yes, yes,
(35:22):
that was her fallback of course.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well right, so but you guys are involved in this
too now, so.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
We yes, we decided to you know, bring it up
to date and streamline the packaging and make it you know,
more modern and clean, the ingredients and all of that
to compete with what's out there now and there's new
technology and skincare. So we did that and now we
are going for it with Fisher Stevens Beauty.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Okay, fantastic, So but I mean it's a whole other
world like manufacturing something, yes, and you know, coming up
with something.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Event and the names and the inside of it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Also just like making sure all the things that are
they're supposed to be and they're right and they feel
right and customer's satisfaction and making sure that people think
all that stuff is a whole other world.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yes it isn't, but it's so today's world, right, So,
like everything is e commerce and and the shopify and
the TikTok shop and you're targeted and if we can
get you know, all those ladies that are at home
throughout the past like decade buying, you know, all these
products to for you know, to stay youthful and you know, yeah,
(36:30):
and the marketing.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Aspect of it is actually, you know, it's it's easier
now to do that kind of thing on your own
than it was, and that you had to find avenues
to you know, to promote and now you can just
have people filming things and and sort of get that
word out that way on social media.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
How much of your energy goes to that versus everything else?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Enough we need to put more energy. Yeah, it depends
on what's going on, you know, in our showbiz lives.
But we that's the other way that we work well
together is that, you know, if Jolie's got something going
on that's taking up all her time, whether it's like
SAG stuff or a movie or whatever, we sort of
shift who deals with things that are coming in with
(37:18):
with our products.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Don't be alone with you mentioned SAG. I'm part of
the coalition.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Thank god for you.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
She whiz, So thank you first of all for thank
you for your service.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Right, thank you. It is my honor and my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Nobody it's that's a that's a that's a bear, that's
a mountain.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
The really quick sort of reader's digest version was in
twenty twenty, the pandemic had started and there was a
contract that was being passed through with the prior administration
where all the seniors lost their healthcare in the middle
of the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Eighty two hundred people.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Who were our icons, our veterans of show business who
were told they had healthcare until they died, and Asner
and you know, you know, everybody you can think of,
and including our parents, right, So if you were sixty
five and you know anyway, the other they have Medicare.
That's fine. So I and along with Sean Aston and
(38:32):
Lisa an Walter and some other people who weren't in
service of the union still, I had done it many
years ago, got on Instagram Live and passed the mic
and said, do not vote yes on this contract.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Do not vote yes.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We got the most people to vote no on a contract.
It's still passed. We have very low voter turnout. People
have apathy.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
They don't They're like, I didn't even know you were
having an election.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
What do you mean? Most SAG members don't even know
their SAG members, Like there's like a.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Whole right they throw away their ballot or you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Because well a lot of people can get into SAGA,
but then they don't. They're not actors anymore, right, right.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, if you're not due's current, you don't get a ballot.
So if a ballot landed on your desk or at
a business manager or whatever, So we kind of ran
screaming towards I ran screaming towards a national office of
Secretary Treasurer because it was what mom did in the
early two thousands. One of the things that she desperately
wanted to do was for SAG Aftra then Legacy SAG
(39:27):
was to own their own headquarters. She went shopping around,
she found a little lot and you know, for nineteen
million dollars, which we had at the time, she could
have bought this lot. It's now netflix and worth a billion,
you know, or the property alone. Right, So they were like,
we're not in the real estate business. So every other
union owned their own building. Guess what, Jolie did.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
We bought a building.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So I'm excited about like seeing that to fruition on
Connie's behalf, and I'd love to name the theater Connie
Stephens's Theater if that comes, if that happens, and you know,
the finance and so financial solvency of the union is
one thing I also am big on the AI protections,
big on women's rights, big on inequity and inclusion.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
And I was talking about the time, the time you
have to put into this.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Enormous when you're also trying to do this, trying to
have a career, you're a mom of a thousand kids. Like, honestly,
it gave me.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
It gave me a purpose during the pandemic that I
did that I know you need. Yeah, it really did.
And I love when members are like, thank you for
thank you for everything that you did. I called the foundation.
I got this, I get what's your problem. That's not
really my purview, but I know the right person to call,
Like whatever it is, I'm like, always slide into my
(40:43):
DMS and ask me. I'll tell you where to go.
It does take a lot of my time. And then
I realized when we were coming out of it that
you know, I got I have to do my careers
in the shitter right right. So working a lot lately
has been like just a real you know, a real
boon for me.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
And I'm excited about it.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And but I still am going back into run for
more service. But I'm sort of able to now, like
compartmentalize a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So I think that a lot of people maybe think that,
you know, the celebrities that get voted into leadership roles
like paid, get paid, or they don't really do anything.
And then it's like I'm looking at this check on
zoom for eight hours in a row, and I'm amazed
at the amount of work that it takes.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Sure, So the negotiations were like a rough time. And
then of course we pulled you know, strike authorization from
the membership who agreed, yes, we need to strike. We
haven't gotten anything meaningful in a deal since like the
sixties when we got a health plan, right when all
those people gave up their residuals Shirley Jones and you know,
and we felt that we did there were a few
(42:00):
things that we were able to you know, cross through.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Here's something that'll.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Make you like your stomach turn is that we go
into negotiations for twenty twenty six, like the strike was
three years ago, so we have a contract expiring.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Oh I know. I mean, I'm a member of multiple DGA,
the WGA, and it's just always a nightmare every time,
and it's getting worse and worse because the industry is
in a very weird place right very well. So we're
not I mean, I don't want to give any anything away,
but we're not in a great position right now.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
But I'm running for president of Los Angeles and my
whole idea is I'm going to take that razor sharp
focus that I had on my position nationally and concentrate
on bringing production back to Los Angeles and back to
this country for that matter. Tariffs don't work, but incentives do,
and tax credits due, and the governor has signed into
(42:56):
law this into the budget for twenty twenty six a
good deal amount of money competitively with other markets.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So I hope, I hope it reaches US.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I hope it gets The post is gone to by
the way.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I know, I know people have been shows in everywhere,
but yes, Ireland and Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I heard like a studio head tell this writer, director,
does it take place in La? Do you have to
shoot it in La? Because it takes place in LA?
And they were like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
This is Hollywood?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean it may not be Hollywood for
much longer in terms of like having the pool everybody
in one spot, right, doing the thing. Yeah, that may
be one of the things that we could say. You know,
in the old days, we had silence and uh, and
then the talkies came in and changed things.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
So that it changes the ecosystem completely.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
When you see little restaurants or the dry cleaners across
from Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's all affected everything, all of our you know.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And we live in a very expensive city, in a
very expensive state, and that's our main business.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Right, It's exactly got one. Maybe maybe we need some.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
More, I don't know, a couple of morks.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Okay, So now we have a question time. What was
it like growing up in Beverly Hills. It says living
fast and young is how it seems from afar.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Well, we didn't really grow up in Beverly. I mean,
we went to Beverly Hills High that's when we weren't
in the district. So you know, I'm just I'm breaking
this noise now that my mom got us an apartment
because she had moved to Canada to do a TV show.
So Jolie and I had our own apartment in tenth
and eleventh grade. We called it Fisherman's Wharf across the
street from Beverly Hills High and we lived alone.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
All right? And how was that?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
It was fun? Really to do what the hell you wanted?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
All right? So were you bad?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Did you do bad? Yeah? It seems like I would
be always bad, you know what. We we had to
like make sure that we we were alive, right, so
we had to keep each other alive, so we weren't
so bad.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
But no, okay, take yourselves out of you. There are
two girls that you don't know. Yeah, and they are
going to go to high school in Beverly Hills in
the late seventies, early eighties and seventies, late eighties, late eighties,
and you know, all the temptation, all the drugs, all
(45:27):
the things are available to them. They're going to live alone, yeah,
across from the high school.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, but every and they're beautiful.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And they're beautiful and they're people. Are going to get good.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Grades and do the plays and make sure she got
to her dentist appointment and all right.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, I mean it seems sounds like not a great range.
Sounds like as a father, I'm concerned. I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It was concerned. Fortunately our father didn't care. Yeah, nobody cared.
Many we did, all right.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
That's one of the many, many ways. I'm not Eddie
Fisher of them many ways, but that's just one of them. Yeah,
all right, but you did okay, all right, but a
lot lessons from that, yes, yes, which is what.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I didn't want to say.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, okay, all right, no lesson to be shared, all right,
but you learned some lessons, yes, okay. Where is being
a mom in the hierarchy of your lives? Oh? Wow?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
For me, I mean it's you know what, it's it's
number one in certain ways. But my kids are kind
of at a stage right now where where they don't
need me, and that's a weird place to be after
doing it for this many years. I mean, they still
need you, you know. We're still giving advice and we're
(46:43):
still chiming in on everything and paying for most things.
But yeah, it's it's it's hard to hand over that
that role, you know, like I made lunch boxes for
you know, twenty twenty years and then just recently I
(47:05):
stopped doing that, right, right, It was weird.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
But a lot of when you have a whole other career,
that things going on in your life. So yes, it's
a lot of moms, that's all They do and they
have to spend a real long time finding a new purpose,
that's a new thing to do with their lives.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It still hurts just as much even if you have
something else going on. Oh yeah, yeah, because Samese, Yeah,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, what part hurts that you wish that they were
still little kids who needed you, just.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
That the you know, yeah, that they would climb in
your bed and tell you about.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
It's the contact, and it's the it's the family, the
way that it was and how we were together a lot,
and it was like this group of people that did
things which we totally got from Mom. Yes, and so
now it's like, well, he's over there, and he's over there,
and he's going to be at a friend's house and
oh are you coming back? Okay?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So it's just it feels different, right, I'm proud of
them and I it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
I'm just saying for you guys mourning the loss of
what was. Yes, I get it, for sure, And I'm
like every now and then I see a picture of
my kid when I could hold him like this, I
wish I had that. But then you know, there's the
greatness of what is right. I agree, So we have
to embrace the now and then maybe we get little
(48:22):
grand babies.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Like I had one period of time, short period of
time where I had all five kids in the house
and it was like a dream.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It was a circus.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
It was that sounds like not a dream.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean, they're so different ages, but yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
When I have none, I want to have none. It's weird. Yeah,
when I dropped off holding it in Boulder, I was just,
you know, it was like this terribly sad, you know,
but also exciting. And I was excited for him. And
now he's back. We know why.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Mom would occasionally you take us to the airport, but
when she did, she would stand there sobbing as.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
You like, you know, and I was like, why is
she crying?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Whatever? You know? And now I know why. Yes, it's
like your heart walking around outside of your body.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Of course, you've given them so much of your heart
and they always will have it. That's that's I mean,
it's beautiful though, but it's okay, that's all right, all right. Uh,
last question from this group of questions, Uh, what is
the best and worst things you got from your parents?
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And go oh, god. I mean I've.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I have, like in my life struggled with addiction, not
in the way that my father was an addict or
Carrie was an addict, but with stuff and with and
feel okay now and you know I but I have
throughout my life like wanted to silence demons and critics
(50:05):
and all that kind of thing. So I did use substances.
And did you say best and worst?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I did the worst so much, both parents, you know,
and coming at you.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
A lot of that's in the bloodstream. And then best
things like drive, hustle, finding joy and things you know,
moms and a cock eyed optimist like she's she says
there's always something wonderful that's going to happen around the corner,
just and that implies that she's full of wonder which
you know, I try to be, like I want to
(50:44):
see the world like that, even though it's hard right now.
And and our and our talents like those came at
us fast.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Your question, did they come from your parents? I don't
know that that's true. I don't know that's true.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
I mean there's people that are born to talented people
that don't. I went to with a bunch of Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
I feel like I got a lot of both of
them in the sound of my voice and the like
the vulnerability that I bring or the funny that I'm
whatever in my I think acting, you can be born
with like a bit of skills, but you know, you're
just always learning, always, always always.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
But I think the singing thing, yeah, I feel like
the singing thing is we both got it. We got
dropped and we've been singing the whole time. Since we
were children. We were able to hit notes and you know,
hear a key and harmonize. I think that's somewhat genetic,
and then you have to work at it to develop
(51:51):
it and expand. I don't read music, no, right, I
have a husband who does that.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
All right, Well, now it's time for listener mail. Now
it's time for listener man. Dear Jane Gas. When I
was growing up, I thought I'd have a house and
a family and a job that gave me satisfaction. I
have none of those things. What do you do when
reality doesn't meet expectation?
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Mirah, Wow, Well I augment reality. You may, I mean
you you have to. You have to be live in
the present moment, and you know, stay stay positive, somehow
ground yourself in what you do have and stay in
gratitude for what for you know, what is positive and
(52:39):
move in that direction.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Do you think that giving up on this idea of
the house and the family and the like whatever, this
is like that image giving throwing that away and saying
I'm going to I'm going to try and find a
satisfaction what is now and also pick dreams that are
available to me or to other things to make me happening.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
You know, we have several friends that never found that
right person and didn't have children, and you know.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I was sorry, sorry ladies.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
By choice though too, by choice? Well, I think it's
it's yes, it's it's a little of both.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Sometimes it's a choice and then it passes you by
or whatever, right, and and then you find out what
the reasons are that your path was that, and then
there's some great gifts in that and it's a trade off.
So maybe there's something really powerful in not going down
that road that was meant for her to explore in
(53:38):
her life journey.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Right, I mean, one of the things that you can
say is the path that you took is the path
you took, and now you're here, and what can you
make of that path?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Right, So now from starting from this moment, what.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Is what will make it fulfilling for you?
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, Tamira, Mira, fine, the next thing that you want, yes,
and go after and go for that thing.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Being back and being regretful or is never going to
bring you anything.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Right unless you're learning some good lesson, which is rare.
But looking back is not helpful. Certainly envying other people
is really unhelpful. That is that is a recipe for unhappiness. Yes,
the recipe for happiness is to embrace. Let you what
you're saying, Embrace what you have, find joy as much
as you can with it, and then move forward looking
for more joy and in other things.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yes, new purpose, come on, new purpose, new purpose out there,
it's in there, all right.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Well, this has been fantastic, so thank you so much
for doing this.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
The Fisher Girls were still around.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
You guys thought the Fisher girls weren't around. The Fier
girls are still here.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, we're still here.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Well, this is this has been fantastic anyway, thank you
for being here, and thank you for being here my audience.
If don't be alone, audience, please tune in next time.
Share the show. If you like it, write me at
DBA WJK at gmail dot com and I'll answer your
dumb emails or great emails or smart emails. I need
your questions so I can ask my guests, So send
in your questions. And more than anything, I do the
(55:07):
show to remind you have a conversation, sit down with people.
I've known these girls my whole life. When's the last
time we sat together. I've never So this is fantastic,
This is really good. I love you, and I really
appreciate you for being here. And have a great day
and we'll see you next time. Don't be alone with
Ja
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