DLUTI 182 - Project Pegasus - Don't Look Under the Internet

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Speaker 4 (00:17):
Don't look under the internet well then, we're good
to go, boys, let's go.
All right, hi, hey, hey, hi, hi, oh hi, welcome, welcome,

(00:42):
welcome to don't Look Under theInternet.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
No.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
It's a podcast, that's for sure.
One of the millions that areout there.
A very saturated market thatwe're like, we got it, we're
gonna get in there.
That's Jason.
I doubt it but sure, hello,that's Doug.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:04):
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Speaker 4 (01:06):
That's Matt.
I also doubt it, and I'm me.
I also doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm glad we're all on the same page here.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
What are we doubting?
Because the way Jason worded-that was like you were like
that's Jason.
Jason was like I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Doubt it.
Don't even know what that namemeans.
Who the fuck is Jason?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
what does that even?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
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fucking shit that I want to getout there and he needs to get
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I didn't get that term Ken.
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They also said it was a donation and was like
something about being 14 yearold, me or something I don't
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Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw those.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I didn't see those.

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I saw it.
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Speaker 3 (03:18):
I don't think, mike gets the donation notifications.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I get them I don't think Mike is real.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I doubt it like girls and birds.
You know what else isn't real?
Probably what we're talkingabout today.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Alright, that's been.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
I love how you used to like try and shroud the whole
thing in some mystery and likegive some intrigue, now, just
rip.
Like this is probably fuckingfake.
Try and enshroud the wholething in some mystery and like
give some intrigue.
No, no, just right after.
Like this is probably fuckingfake.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Like this is not real there's some fake I got a
bullshit talk about, so oh, stayI, I got a better one.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Don't worry, I got a better one.
Oh yeah, so instead of a birdscooter to transition us into
our topic, I'm gonna teleport usover to our topic.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh, that's my.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
That's my teleport sound.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
No.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
This is Do you know what a fucking teleporter sounds
like?
Have you been through one?
Like fucking Andy?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, have you been to year 2045 and seen the
telephone booth that you getinto?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, are you a fucking doctor who I am
disagreeing with.
The whole bird scooter, scooter.
There's no one part of it.
I don't care, I am picking out.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
What we're talking about today is the little known
story about a man named AndrewBasiago and his tales about time
travel, basiago, basiago.
Whatever Andrew Basiago and histales of time travel and
teleportation, we're talkingabout Project Pegasus, not to be

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confused with the Israelispyware, because you will find a
lot of that.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
There's a lot of that's definitely an Israeli
spyware from like 2016.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't know I don't care, that's a thing they still
use and it's super expensive andit's super fucking scary.
Where are we going to be?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
referring to this as Mike.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
We should have covered the Israeli Project
Pegasus at some point.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Project Pegasus- how are we going to refer to it
tonight?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Project Pegger.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
You maybe came in front of the boy.
You certainly came in front ofthe boy.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
You actually came in front of the boy, pegger oh lord
god, I'm so happy they'rebringing back King of the Hill.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I'm scared, man, I'm scared.
That's for a bonus, though.
We don't need to get into that,that's fair we don't need you
but we will yeah, there's a lotto cover here.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
This.
There's a lot of shit to thisthat we're gonna unpack now full
disclosure, because I knowwe're gonna get those comments
like and actually you're fuckingwrong and you freaking.
You're right, we're wrong.
Yeah, here's how it goes.
Um here at diluted.
You fucking figure it out.
You're wrong about this thing.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
That is definitely real, mike.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Details here are super fucking important.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah, but we hear it all the time.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
We're gonna get a decent assist from Andrew
Bishago we hear it all the timewhen we cover alien shit.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
We'll cover things that are similar to this.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
The conspiracy.
Shit really brings somecharacters out of the YouTube
algorithm.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Woodwork, yeah, and here's the YouTube algorithm
woodwork.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, and and here's the thing you people we're going
to be wrong on some things.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
We're going to skip over some stuff because we don't
have all fucking day.
If Andrew Basiago goes onmultiple six hour fucking
interviews about this, you thinkwe're going to be able to crank
it out in like an hour?
Probably not.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
So we're going to crank it out in an hour while I
was watching those videos.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I'm so happy for you, was it the aliens?
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Edging is a wonderful thing, I knew it.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Just throwing that out there.
Disclaimer we're probably goingto roll over some shit.
Probably going to get somethings inaccurate.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
But at the end of the day, who's to say?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
what's real.
I don't think you should evenput the effort into the
disclaimer.
If you, if you, if your life issuch that you're getting super
upset about this, that's it'smore of a you problem.
That's good a hobby.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
If this is your first episode, we're gonna treat this
like every other episode andput one half ass into it yeah,
and here's this as well if youget upset about how we cover
this, if you get upset about howwe talk about this, maybe you
should go touch grass and thencome back about it.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Mike's yelling at people who haven't.
Even you don't exist.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Let's get on to it this is the live podcast version
version of just like taking ashower and just getting like
replaying conversations in yourhead.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
You're like man.
I should have said that, yeah,that happens more than the
shower.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
That happens more than it should to me.
I'm not gonna lie to you oh,anyway, so a standard part of
everybody's day.
Well, let's get into it, boys.
Let's talk, because we got alot to talk about.
So, yes, we do.
What be project pegasus?
You know that.
Let's start there.
Let's start at the beginning.
All beginnings begin.
So Project Pegasus depending onyour source, it can vary on

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when it started, but the usualgo-to is anywhere between 1962
to 1972, where the prime timesof a secret government program
that was being ran by DARPA andthe CIA.
Now we're going to go intoDARPA a little bit later, so
just bear with us there.

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So actually what happened iswhen Nikola Tesla died in the
1940s in his apartment, a secretgovernment I guess you could
call it a task force kind ofcame in, stole a bunch of his
research paper that had mentionsto technologies and machines
that could potentially help usfigure out things like time
travel and teleportation.

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The details between that are alittle iffy to me.
It all has to do withelectromagnetic fields around us
and around the Earth.
Around us and around the earth.
This one person that I watcheddescribing the papers that Tesla
was writing on basically saidthat Tesla's theory was that
everything on earth kind ofworks like a camera does.

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Where a camera open up the lens, it takes a still image of what
was in front of it.
What they kind of used tosimplify it was saying,
basically the earth is thatcamera and we are the subject
that is taking a still image of.
So everything on earth usingits electromagnetic force

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basically gets like a you couldsay like the quote-unquote still
image of itself imprinted ontothe earth, which is like the
camera taking the photo.
It's a very weird way ofputting it and I still don't
fully understand it, but I thinkto dumb it down as much as
possible, that helps Basicallythe earth the earth is taking a
record of everything thathappens on earth using

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electromagnetic fields.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So, things that happened in thepast, we still have records of
it and still have the ability totap into those records because
we still have the quote unquotephotos from the camera.
It's kind of like when youdelete a file off, like a

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computer, like technically youcan't access the file once
you've deleted it unless you gothrough some stringent like
recalling yeah does work too.
Yeah, that works out reallywell.
So in this task or not thistask force, in this government
program, um, that was startedbecause of nikola tesla's papers
.
Um, it started off, like I said,in the 60s and it started off
originally with a group of 140kids and 60 adults.
Now, now our boy here, andrewBoshago.

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He mentions that the Americantrials started with 140 kids.
There were Latin Americantrials that started well before
America got into it and startedbringing children into play.
These were pretty much the testsubjects.
Unfortunately, I'm going to gointo this a little bit in a

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smidge on why they were usingkids for the test subjects, but
I kind of want to go over thewhole broad definition of what
Project Pegasus is real quickfirst.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Wait, Mike, what are you about to get into?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
You'll see I'm not going to go there.
So basically, I saw the pause.
You're like basically this thisprogram with these 140 kids and
these 60 adults, is a secretgovernment program between DARPA
and the CIA to figure out anduse time travel and

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teleportation for theadvancement of the United States
and potentially the world andteleportation for the
advancement of the united statesand potentially, the world.
Um so andrew describes himgoing into this project when he
was in third grade I believe hesaid about like seven years old,
give or take um, and when hewas in the waiver in third grade

(12:02):
oh yeah whether you wanted toor wanted to not be involved in
government yeah

Speaker 5 (12:08):
it was in the fine print that they

Speaker 4 (12:10):
knew you wouldn't read, so they were okay with you
for public school.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Now, if you were one of those rich assholes that went
to third grade private school,then you know you were fine,
yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Andrew, did you drink the?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
pink fluoride.
Andrew describes the machineryfrom Tesla's paperwork and the
machinery that was built inthese government facilities as
basically like a stargate.
He says that it was basicallythe shape of like two mammoth
tusks that are like touching atthe points at the top, and he

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said that they were gunship gray.
And my favorite part of hislittle detail with this is that
the machine was just touching atthe points at the top and he
said that they were gunship gray.
And my favorite part of hislittle detail with this is that
the machine was just beingpowered by being plugged into
the wall by just a regular oldpower socket, which pisses me
off.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
It didn't even have a ground on it.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
It didn't even have a ground on it, it was just like
the two prong.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
And here's immediately.
I mean we're going to go overreal or fake later.
Immediately fake to me, becausehow the fuck are you going to
power a time machine through awall socket?
But my fucking, my fucking shit.
Just my power goes out if Iplug in a space heater for too
long.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Tell me, make it make sense.
That's just a control console.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Make it make sense.
That's because your shit'sactually on circuits.
Back in the day they were justlike nah, fuck it, no grounding,
no circuits.
You plug that shit into thepower and whatever happens is on
you fam.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I dare you to touch this back then they were like
electricity is the wild west,you plug it in, it's on you.
At that point we don't fuckingknow what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Also, I did spend where the alien made like the
denuralizer in the basement,yeah, and it's like all janky
yeah it's just fucked, yeah, butto be fair.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
So I thought about that point for a long time and
then it hit me.
I was like, wait, I wonder ifit's just like.
That's just the control consolethat needs almost no power
anyway.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
That would make a little bit more sense.
But then how are they poweringthe time machine?

Speaker 5 (14:10):
That's probably built in.
Why wouldn't you hardwire that?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Nuclear fission.
It probably needs a lot offucking power.
It's a hamster on a wheel.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
I don't want to throw that through.
A fucking surge protector Likewhat?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Let's say the original one was actually
hamster powered but they gotenough hamsters to go into the
future and get like super goodbatteries so all of our lithium
batteries are because of thefuture right exactly yeah,
that's all you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
To travel in time is the speed of hamster, hamster
plus car battery that's all youneed to do to travel.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
In time is the speed of hamster.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Hamster plus car battery, that's all you need.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, that makes way more sense.
But real quick, what I want tobring up about the children and
everything that they used, Iwant to bring this up real fast
and then we're going to go intoa little bit more detail into
like DARPA and things like that.
But Andrew goes on to basicallydescribe that again, they used
140 children and 60 adults forthis.

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Most of the experiments weredone with children.
Um, because children theyliterally, he says at one point.
Basically it's because childrencould just fit through, like
the portals, and adults couldn'tlike.
It was pretty much just thateasy.
Kids are just small and compactenough to fit through these
fucking portals.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
It's just convenient for us to feed these children.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, pretty much so the first round of children were
from Latin America.
Like I mentioned, they usedthese children for testing the
safety of teleportation.
They're basically the guineapigs.
Unfortunately, one of theinstances that Andrew says that
he was around for was they senta kid back through a teleporter.
They sent the kid back to aposition where there's a water

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fountain and the kid landed inthe water fountain and they
something with the kid being inthe water.
The water affected thegravitational field around the
transporter or something, and sowhen the kid came back to his
time, uh, he came back, uh,before his feet did so he just
didn't have feet and they justflashed back into existence and

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now he's just laying in thispuddle, footless, this poor
fucking reality.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh, there goes, my think, the quote from this guy
was.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
His legs were turned into stumps.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think was the quote from the fucking video, just
straight up, just cut off Alsoit wasn't part of why they used
kids, because their brains weremore malleable and resistant to
just having a total breakdown atthe distortion of reality.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
It was a bunch of reasons.
It was of reality it was.
It was because it was a bunchof reasons.
It was that it was because, um,kids see things in a different
perspective than adults and theyhold on to like weird details
better than an adult does like,for example, an example I
thought it was mostly just likeif you show a kid some really
weird shit, their brain doesn'timmediately just go like oh fuck
yeah, it's like that, basically, but and and it's also because

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kids will um, they'll see likethings in a different
perspective than adult does,like, for example, an example if
you send like an adult back intime and they see like a cowboy
wearing a weird like yellow vestand like a blue hat, um, and
like a banana in his holster,they're just gonna the adult has
already seen enough shit andthey know that they're on like a

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, they know they're on a missionto collect, you know XYZ data.
So they're gonna basically justbe like oh yeah, I ran into
some weird cowboy who's dressedfunny they have enough
experience to have likepreconceived, like ideas of
things exactly adults gonna belike that's just some weirdo.
A kid's gonna be like oh, I sawa strange man like unfiltered

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did you just describe curiousgeorge's handler maybe and next
to him was a guy wearing a whiteand red striped t-shirt and a
baby a kid is a kid is going toreport back that weird detail
which doesn't seem like, becausekids they don't have a filter,
so they're going to report thatdetail and their handler's going

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to be like oh okay, that's goodinformation to have, just in
case when an adult just could belike, yeah, he was dressed
weird, moving on.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
That's one of the.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, that's one of the other reasons they use kids
is malleable brains all thatgood stuff.
Again, they can fit through theportal better.
I'm going to go into some stufflater on I'm sure Doug might
too with chronovisors and howthe kids are important for that.
In the meantime, before we getthere, great, let's talk about
what DARPA has to do with this.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
DARPA is at the forefront of a lot of fucking
conspiracy theories.
Like half the crazy shit you'regoing to find on the internet
If you just type in conspiracytheories, it's probably going to
have to do with DARPA.
The DARPA is the DefenseAdvanced Research Projects
Agency and it actually used tojust be called ARPA, but
basically they researchdeveloping cutting edge

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technology for the military,which you can see why this kind
of puts them at the forefront ofa lot of conspiracy theories.
It was formed by Eisenhower inthe 50s to try to catch up with
the Soviet space program, but itwas eventually defunded in
favor of NASA for that purposeand then it got refunded to
basically do what it does today,which is they provide funding

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and lead projects incollaboration with lots of
researchers and universitiesaround the country to build shit
, mostly for the military.
Now, the most famous thingrecently that they had been
involved in that.
If you put in darpa andconspiracy theory into google,
you're gonna see a lot of shitabout harp, which is h-a-r-p,

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the high frequency active oraloral research program.
So this thing is basically justa bunch of fucking radio
antennas that they stuck inalaska and it's it measures the
ionosphere in the atmosphere,which is the section of the
atmosphere where air is notthick enough to support flight

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but it's too thin.
Or it's yeah, it's not thickenough to support flight but
it's too thick that you can'tlike stick satellites in it
because there's too much drag.
And this is like a superinteresting um area of the
atmosphere because it's it's thefirst layer of the atmosphere
that's thick enough to absorb uvrays, but there was not really

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a good way to measure it beforethey built this thing.
So this thing basically shootsradio frequencies through this
layer of the atmosphere and thenmeasures what happens to the
radio frequencies, and theybasically do it to research the
makeup and physical propertiesof that section of the
atmosphere.
But what conspiracy theoristssay that it actually does is

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allow the government to controlthe weather, or also control,
mind control and shit like that.
We even had fucking Magic theGathering in Congress fucking
saying that they should use thisthing to control the fucking
weather.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Magic, the Gathering.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
That's incredible.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
It took me a second to be set together she fucking
believes that this thing is real, and well, it is real.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
But she fucking believes that that's what real
and or, well, it is real butthat she fucking believes that
that's what this thing can do.
Um, but darp has also beenaccused of a bunch of other shit
, like being somehow involved inpedophile rings.
There's lots of shit about obamaif you look up darpa yeah,
there is I found a whole fuckingwell, we'll get into that later
, but I found a whole fuckingwebsite called

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obamaconspiracyorg, which isjust like some dude who's just
cataloging every conspiracytheory that has something to do
with Obama, and there is asection on DARPA specifically,
where you can get into learningabout the Obots, which is
apparently like these mindcontrolled people who are
subservient to Obama, and Iguess DARPA has something to do

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with these like obot,brainwashed Obama servants.
I obot.
It's fucking crazy.
Darpa also helped fund researchthat led to Moderna's COVID
vaccine, so you can see how theygot wrapped up in some of that
stuff, too.
Things that DARPA has actuallydone, though, include making the

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internet, too, um things thatdarpa has actually done though,
include inventing robots.
Well, yes, inventing theinternet, which was originally
called arpanet.
Um, so yeah, the internetstarted as like a government
funded military a xanaduhyperlink project it wasn't
algor, you know what he, thegore bots and the obots have

(22:48):
actually been at war.
We can't go into this right now.
Um, this is a whole other thing.
They helped invent gps.
They invented what eventuallybecame google street view, which
was a project at mit whereresearchers were tasked with
building a system to helpnavigate urban environments.
Weather Weather satellites arethanks to DARPA.
The Tor browser like onionrouting.

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Onion browsers, yeah, onionrouting was something that DARPA
helped invent, calo, which wasactually an early predecessor to
Siri.
So Siri was built off of thisartificial intelligence project
called Calo that DARPA wasinvolved with.
Computer graphical userinterfaces, um, were part of
like the very earliest graphicaluser interfaces were a part of

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the project.
You're the reason you can leftclick and right click yeah, so
wow, um, all this is to say it'sactually really important that
your tax dollars go to fundingscience and research, because
everybody ends up benefitingevery single day.

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You end up using these researchprojects that get funded by
these government agencies, but Idon't know how that's relevant
to anything that's going on inthe world you know the irony is
at all.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
The irony is, if we give enough money to funding to
darpa for advancements intechnology, eventually it is
entirely possible they couldfigure out how to control the
weather, and then we're fullcircle back to that problem have
you seen the movie geostormmike?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
global warming is real, but it's actually actually
.
This is a real conspiracytheory that global warming is
real, but harp is being used tomake it happen so that people
can uh profit off of like all ofthe go green campaigns and shit
like that.
It's insane.
This shit's fucking crazy.
If you just want, just want amind-numbing experience, just

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like I said, just put DARPA andconspiracy into Google or
YouTube.
There's no shortage of thiscrazy bullshit.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Or the heart machine.
The heart machine'sconspiracies are fucking batshit
.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Those just go on forever.
It's literally just a bunch offucking radio antennas.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
That's all it is and that can control the weather,
Matt.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Some government agent is just like yes, that's all it
is, and that can control theweather.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Matt, some government agent is just like yes, that's
all it is.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yes, get all my bullshit yeah, darpa is also
involved in annual roboticschallenges and currently they're
working on a lot of projectsinvolving AI and AI research,
but they do work on militaryshit, so a lot of their projects
are basically just moreeffectively blowing people up

(25:32):
hell yeah, hell.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Sick, well, do a dang, I guess.
Well, now that we have that outof the way, yeah, I've, I
mentioned what we got theproject pegasus is.
Yeah, I've mentioned whatProject Pegasus is.
Yeah, I've mentioned whatProject Pegasus is, but we
didn't really go too deep intowho the main character is.
Who's Project Pegasus?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And let me tell you, Andrew Bishago, as you've heard
us say and can already probablyguess by now, is kind of a
fucking weird guy, but let megive you a little more
background on him.
So he's an engineer yeah, he'sa lawyer, a writer, a public
speaker, um, and he's best knownfor his claims of project

(26:18):
pegasus, apparently, of you knowapparently a very good lawyer
too.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think he's got like five different degrees and he's
got a pretty successful lawfirm.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
So good, I didn't go into that.
I should have looked up likewho he's, what he's done.
But um, I was focused on thisaspect of it all.
But um, he has, you know, heclaims that there's he's been
involved with time travel.
He claims that he's been, uh,on a mission to Mars.
A lot of these allegations thathe has have basically helped

(26:50):
widespread conversations in theconspiracy and paranormal
communities.
So, even though he may soundlike a fucking wacko, he's done
a lot of, I guess, advancementin those areas.
I guess I don't know if that'sthe right way to describe that.
So basically he says thatbetween 1968 and 1972 that he

(27:13):
was part of a top secret DARPAprogram called Project Pegasus
which widely used teleportation,time travel and
interdimensional travel.
So he claims that there wastime travel via Tesla technology
, which we kind of brieflytouched on, basically, like this
came up through Nikola Tesla'sresearch, and that people were

(27:34):
being sent back and forward intime through what's called
quantum access, which is abovemy pay grade to explain to you.
He's also stated that he haspersonally visited the, the ford
theater in 1865 and that's thenight of the lincoln
assassination and he's gone toit multiple times and had to

(27:56):
remain undetected.
But we'll go into that a littlemore later too.
Um, so another one of his uhlike claims is that they use
something called the chronovisor, which was basically developed
in part by the Vatican, and itwas a machine, essentially, that
displayed the image of ahistorical event and would allow

(28:17):
an individual to enter them.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
The amount of shit.
The amount of shit going onwith the Vatican is insane.
The Vatican has a locked uproom that has a bunch of hidden
uh technologies and artifactsthat are not viewable from the
like to the outside world veryfascinating.
I want to cover that as wellbut at some point the chrono

(28:43):
visor is one of them they also.
They also apparently have like abunch of like, um, like they
have like the spirit of destinydown there.
They have um like some da vincipaintings and stuff that hold
like secrets to life pick ofdestiny down there.
That's what I want to know youbetter fucking believe they do
brah.
Um, they have a bunch of hiddenshit down there that we need to
look at at some point well,well, deluduty will get to the

(29:06):
bottom of it, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Let's do a B&E.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Just real quick B&E Deluty, b&e ready go.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Alright, so Moron Bashago, moving right along here
, he also asserted that multiplefuture US presidents presidents
including barack obama, georgebush, donald trump uh were
pre-selected um and told oftheir uh destinies in advance.
Hello cat, um.
He also claims that obama wasinvolved in project project

(29:39):
pegasus under the name of barrysotoro, which I believe mike
will.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Uh, yeah, I'll get to that later, probably more as
well.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And the other another thing is that he said he went
to Mars.
He states that between 1980 and1984 he and others were
teleported to Mars via a jumproom and basically the purpose
of this was to establishrelationships with
extraterrestrials living on Mars.
And he basically has gone onrecord describing these
encounters with martians um,claiming that they're both

(30:11):
hostile and friendly.
So that's interesting it's justlike people wow, there's a good
one and there's a bad one um,but not only did he do all this
shit.
Uh, the man is also sort ofnormal to a degree.
Uh, he has some political uhambitions, and in 2016, he ran

(30:34):
for president of the unitedstates as an independent
candidate, stating that, uh, hisgoal was to expose the
government, essentially, anddisclose time travel to the
people.
Um, and he's appeared in manyinterviews, conferences,
whatever you have it.
He has talked about this shit alot, ad nauseum.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
A lot Ad nauseum for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
So yeah, there's that .
I wonder how many votes thisman got, because I'm pretty sure
in 2020 a guy ran under thename De's nuts and got like a
million.
I'm very curious how thisYou're not wrong.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
But I found all of like the.
Well, I'll go over that.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Do you think he beat Kanye the paperwork In 2016.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I hope.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
He beat Kony, for sure, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
That was four years before that, Doug.
Yeah, that's right 2012.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I forgot that was four years before that doug.
Yeah, that's right, 2012.
I forgot that's when.
That's when everything gotwacky.
Um, all right.
So now that we know who he is alittle bit, I'm gonna go over
the first time that hesupposedly uh jumped through
time.
Um, so basically, he claimedthe first time uh was in the
late 1960s, uh, when he wasabout six or seven years old and

(31:48):
under the supervision of hisfather, raymond, who he says was
a scientist.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Deborah, deborah.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Deborah, I'm time traveling.
His dad was a scientist andengineer working on classified
projects for the US governmentat the time, and their first
jump was from New Jersey to NewMexico.
Basically, they went to a DARPAfacility in East Hanover, new
Jersey, where these experimentswere being done, and once he was

(32:17):
there, I guess that was when helearned that it was part of
Project Pegasus and yeah.
So again, kind of just some ofthe stuff I've already gone over
.
But basically, theteleportation machine was a
tesla based device consisting oftwo gray elliptical booms about
eight feet tall and 10 feetapart.
Um, these booms basicallycreated a shimmering like energy

(32:42):
field between them, uh, whatthey would call a Vortal tunnel
or a quantum tunnel.
Um, and that was.
You know, they just walkthrough it like fucking Stargate
style.
You know what?

Speaker 4 (32:51):
I'm saying he mentioned I don't know if you
bring it up Um he mentions thatit is very reminiscent of the
movie sliders.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Um hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
And people misconstrue time travel as like
how Star Trek does.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He's misconstrue time travel as like how star trek
does.
He's like that's inaccurate.
It's more like sliders he.
What he gets very into that.
He's like it's like sliders.
The man watched that movie andhe's like this is my life.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
This is my life.
He probably just like droppedacid and watched this movie and
this is set off I did

Speaker 5 (33:19):
this and then just picked up where the movie left
off.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
It's just like all right so, uh, andrew baggiago
says that his father instructedhim to step forward into the
energy field, and he claims thathe did so.
And then the air crackled, ablue and white light engulfed
him before he lost his footingand basically said it was like
he was tumbling through space.

(33:43):
So moments later he landed inanother government facility in
Santa Fe, new Mexico, over 2,000miles away.
He described the sensation aslike falling through a tunnel of
light and energy, which is aterrible descriptor, because who
knows what that feels like,other than no one?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, you know, Like when you fall through a tunnel
of light and energy.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I fucking tripped earlier and I was like damn,
this really is like when youaccidentally fall into the large
hadron collider.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
You know, I've been on space hadron collider.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, that's probably what it feels like getting gut
checked every two seconds.
Okay, that was fun, let's do itagain.
Um, all right, so he wasbasically as soon as he got, uh,
like he arrived.
Um.
He was quickly met withgovernment officials um, who
reassured him that he was okayand then led him to a safe area.

(34:40):
So why?
remember you're fine, um.
Just cracks him over the headshaking um, you're still.
You're still in new jersey, youlittle bitch.
Um, all right, so, uh, he sayshis father was not only aware of
these experiments but wasdirectly involved with them, and
he claims his father told himthat these experiments were

(35:03):
being conducted as part ofnational security interests,
particularly for Cold Warintelligence gathering.
His father supposedly wentthrough teleportation devices as
well, meaning they bothtraveled separately to.
So they both traveled to NewMexico together, basically, but
in different instances.
And, yeah, after this firstjump, that he did.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
I just watched your door door just opened all by
itself.
That's just my cat um, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So basically, after this first jump, he claims that
he underwent dozens of otherjumps, including, you know again
, trips to historical events.
Um, and he insists that the usgovernment has been using this
technology since the 60s andkeeps it a secret to control
energy and global travel.
Because you know why.
The fuck would we not want tojust teleport our ass right to

(36:02):
japan?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
globalists.
Well, one of the things that hementions is not to not to delve
too deep into it, because Idon't know if any of you guys
will either, but he contradictshimself a little bit, because
then he goes on to say later onthat the reason he was chosen to
be in the project was becausehandlers from the future went

(36:24):
back in time.
Handlers from the future wentback in time.
That knew Bishago went back intime to let the CIA know.
Like hey, this kid is going tolet the whole world know about
our information and and talkabout how great we are and how
great our teleportation is, andit's supposed to help actually
get us to a future whereteleportation is common, uh, is

(36:48):
like a common thing, and that'sour main use of, of travel so
they want him to be awhistleblower?
I don't understand we'll getinto it later.
Yes, but yes, they do.
Uh, again it's teleportation.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I just want tubes, all right I want future vacuum
tubes yeah, tubes, I'll just getsucked some you know what.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Just get sucked off.
I'm in the future for thesuicide booze yeah, 100%.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Quick and painless or slow and horrible.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Slow and horrible.
Good choice.
Neat Jason.
Good choice.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Neat.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Jason go ahead.
Is that all you got about hisexperiences with his dad?
I?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
didn't have a good bird scooter about suicide, so
you know that's fair.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't think anybody does.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
But, Jason, if you have information on some of his
jumps, you can.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Right now would be the time you could kill yourself
, the time to do it, or youcould go back in time.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
So now I want you guys to think that you are
presented with the opportunityto go back in time wherever you
want to go.
What would you pick?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
I think I'm good.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I'm going to kill.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Hitler.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Maybe the 90s, maybe I'll go back to like last year.
Oh, you know what?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I'd go back 2021 before I agreed to be on this
podcast.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I would go back to the 90s so I can experience,
experience Jurassic Park andthings in the theaters for the
first time.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
In the theaters.
That must have been a riot.
Well a lot of people mightthink of historical events like
the Revolutionary War, theCrucifixion of Jesus.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I would go back and stalk Mary 100%.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I want to see how that shit went down yeah, I want
to see Mary get railed and belike that's what happened you?
Liar, just bust into the room,or what you don't understand.
No, god did it no, no, no, paulgot into it.

(39:07):
I am God, I am God, god did it.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
No, no, no, I am God.
She said she wouldn't make mepay, because I'm God.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Or just like find a moment where she's like it's
just a little lie.
What's the worst that a littlelie?
What's the worst that couldhappen?
What's?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
the worst that could happen let me tell you every
holy war that's ever happenedthe world is based off your
fucking lie.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
It's one lie.
What could happen?

Speaker 4 (39:38):
it's one lie.
What could happen?
Kick in the door and be likethey hit the pentagon they hit
the fucking pentagon.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Just show her the pope look what you've done no.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
So if people could go back, a lot of people might
answer that they would go backto some kind of event that has
some historical significance toit Number 11.
That, honestly, I could seethat as being high up on the
list.
So Bishago says that he hasexperienced eight separate time

(40:09):
travel technologies throughoutthe course of the project.
However, a lot of the instancesinvolved a teleporter based on
technical paperwork.
Again, this is going back toall the stuff that was found in
Nikolai Tesla's New York Cityapartment after he died in 1943.
Nikolai Nikolai, NikolaiTesla's New York City apartment
after he died in 1943.
Nikolai Nikolai, Nikolaj.

(40:30):
It's Nikolaj.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Nikolaj, nikolaj.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Bishago also says that he time-traveled six times
to the Ford Theater on the dayof the Lincoln assassination,
but he did not see it happen.
Apparently, he also he also sawPresident Lincoln on other
occasions as well, especiallyanother famous one that we'll
get to, and this is a directquote.

(40:57):
He says I did not, however,witness the assassination.
Once I was on the theater levelwhen he was shot and I heard
the shot followed by a greatcommotion that arose from the
crowd.
It was terrible to hear, butShago also claims he was in the
same place at the same timetwice, but from two different

(41:18):
times in the present, meaning hesaw himself coming back in time
to the same point in time,hello.
And this also occurred at theFord Theater in 1865, apparently
.
And he goes on to kind ofelaborate saying After the first

(41:38):
of these two encounters withmyself occurred, I was concerned
that my cover might be blown.
Okay, first off, what cover?
What is your cover here, babySpy, he said, unlike the jump to
Gettysburg in which I wasclutching a letter.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh my God, baby legs.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Unlike the jump to Gettysburg, in which I was
clutching a letter to NavySecretary Gideon Wells to offer
me aid and assistance in theevent I was arrested.
I didn't have any explanatorymaterials when I was sent to
Ford's Theater, he goes on tosay in fact, during one probe,
the one to Gettysburg, theGettysburg address I was turned

(42:22):
as a Union bugle boy, can Iinterject a smidge and add
something about the the FordTheater?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, go ahead please .

Speaker 4 (42:31):
So during the Ford Theater jump, that is when one
of the main points that theProject Pegasus, the higher ups,
used as an example of when yougo back in time, it's not you
going back to a you know, goingback to the past You're going.
It's a multiverse type ofsituation.
This is one of the coreexamples they use as an example

(42:52):
of that because he went back,and he went back multiple times.
Every time he went back henoticed subtle changes.
He does mention that one timehe tried to go up to the theater
where Lincoln was, he gotstopped by a security guard and
kicked out.
He mentions that he went backagain and when he tried to go up
again there was no securityguard but there was a lock on
the door, so he could not get toLincoln.

(43:13):
So with these small subtlechanges, that's when they're
like.
so you're not going back to thepast like Samurai Jack, you're
going to a different multiverseand they use that as an example
for so what you're saying is.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
It's probably impossible to go back in time
and have a photographic pictureof yourself back in the same
timeline appear in the presentright.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
That's what you're saying oh boy, would wouldn't
that be crazy, if that happenslike.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
If it's a multiverse, you're going to a different
universe, which means youwouldn't actually affect your
current timeline.
Which means if you had apicture of yourself from 1865
and the Gettysburg Addressdressed as a bugle boy, that
wouldn't make much sense now,would it?
Mike?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Unless somebody from another, a you from another
timeline showed up in ourtimeline, that's fair enough.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Infinite timelines mean infinite Andrew Bishagos
going back.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
That's the first rule of time travel.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
There's always an Andrew Bishago Always a.
Bishago.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
What about the whole paradox thing like two of you in
the same space-time?
The whole paradox of two in thepink one in the Lincoln.
Yeah, what the fuck that wouldhave been before our Andrew
Bishago was born, though.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
So what did it matter ?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Right, he does he does.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Also, if it helps, it's not going to help, but he
does make mention that they toldhim don't.
This never makes sense, don'tworry about it.
When he gets sent back, theytell him like you're gonna
probably see other versions ofyou, don't think too much on it,
just continue on with yourmission, don't?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
worry about it, you're doing yeah, don't worry,
your brain is gonna melt, butlike you're fine, it'll be fine
yeah yeah, it'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Um so, uh, kind of elaborate more on the Gettysburg
address conundrum that I amtalking about.
Um, there's an image thatexists of a smaller boy with
some.
Actually, if you look at it, Iwill admit like the shoes he's
wearing look a little off forthe time period.
They're just big shoes, they're.
They're big.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I mean that everybody else has just really really
basic shoes on their feet, orhe's just wearing his dad's
shoes, so it's not even that.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Do you go into why he's wearing the new Hoka Bondi
8s?
What's up?

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Do you go into why he's got those big shoes?

Speaker 5 (45:41):
No, I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
So, according to you know, I'll finish your sentence,
your sentence on it, first andI'll talk about it.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Okay, so this is a direct quote from Andrew Bishago
.
He goes I had been dressed inperiod clothing as a Union Bugle
boy, gettysburg, wearingoversized men's street shoes,
that I left the area around thedais and I walked around 100
paces over to where I wasphotographed in the josephine

(46:12):
cog image of lincoln atgettysburg, um, and one of the
things you can see is, uh, like,if you look at the photos, um,
the shoes are a little weird,yeah, but like I could say that
that's me and you'd be like,right, it's just a boy with a

(46:32):
bowl cut that could be literallyanyone it's not even that.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
It's not even that.
The shoes are like that weird.
So he describes it as, beforehe goes back, they have.
They basically have like acostume department that dresses
him in period pieces.
That way he can go back andblend in.
When they dressed him to goback, they gave him that bugle
outfit, but they didn't have aproper pair of shoes.
They didn't have any that fithim.

(46:57):
So the only thing that they hadwere some Crocs.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
It's just those jelly shoes from the 90s, like the
sandals.
Yes.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
The only thing that they had were they were still
period accurate shoes, but theywere like streetwear.
They weren't formal shoes likewhat everyone else at that
Gettysburg was wearing, and theywere adult size as well.
I think he said they're like asize 10 or some shit like that.
But yeah, that's.
What was going on is basicallythe costume department just
didn't have the right equipmentfor him, so they sent him back

(47:32):
and whatever the fuck they had,that would still look the time
frame they should have sent backthree kids in a trench coat is
what they should have done wouldhave got the same effect.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
I think just three bushakos.
Yeah, there you go.
He does absolutely double down,double down, double down.
He says I was physically at thegettysburg address and he
reiterates that this isphotographic evidence, that this
is, this is photographicevidence of time travel, more or
less, and this is kind of his,what he bases most of his

(48:04):
arguments on.
Um, I mean, it's interestingbecause like we've seen we've
talked about photographs of pastuh events and like there's a
picture of somebody with, like acell phone or something like
that you know what I mean.
Like we've we've seen thesestories before, we've seen these
images before, so like it's nottoo far out of the realm of

(48:25):
possibility that this is anotherone of those similar images.
Whether that's actualphotographic evidence of time
travel or not, that's a wholeother question.
Yeah, 100%.
In my mind, this proves fuckingnothing also keep going.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I have to pee, okay he then goes on and says uh

Speaker 2 (48:48):
uh, man has to piss like right before his part.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
oh, I know I'm, it's fine, I'm about to do the same
thing.
Um, so he does.
He also goes on.
So again, there's like there'sa six fucking hour interview
with this guy not a lecturewhere he's presenting powerpoint
slides and talking about all ofhis different time travel
experiences and he reiteratesthat each of his visits to the
past was a little different, asif I was being sent to different

(49:16):
alternate realities located onadjacent timelines.
As these visits accumulated, Ibumped into myself twice on two
different visits.
One day, young Andrew Bishagowitnessed a time travel failure
that happened to another boy.
The child's legs were a fewseconds late from the time the
main body moved and this issomething that I think, doug,

(49:38):
you brought this up andapparently they just they
appeared like they should havebeen, but they were not
connected and it said he lay andwrithed in pain and he had
stumps for legs, and that's thequote about that.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Oh, don't be Joe.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
For some reason, I'm imagining this is like an
American dad scene, where it'sright where he's like inside,
like the secret area wherethey're like working on secret
shit and they just like teleporta kid through oh, absolutely
half a kid.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
And then, half a second later, his legs show up
like yeah oh yeah, his legs werelate, like they didn't even
wait they were like yeah, weknow what happened, it's just uh
, they're just a few secondslate, you know, not quite
somebody put in the trackingnumber.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Uh yeah, delayed.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Oh shit, bad weather in the Midwest.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
The last thing I want to talk about, for his trips to
the past is probably one of themost significant things that he
talks about, and that is how heviewed the crucifixion of Jesus
.
Now, out of like the the sixhour interview or lecture that
he does, it's only like a fiveminute portion of the video and,

(50:55):
matt, I linked that to you Ifyou wouldn't mind.
Actually, would you mindplaying that from the?
If you click the link, it'lltake you to the timestamp.
It's about 35 seconds.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
They had also captured images of the
crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth.
Now I know he was telling thetruth because I saw a 20 to 30
minute 16 millimeter film of thecrucifixion of Jesus that was
being played, that was beingdisplayed at the Sandia National
Labs in Sandia, new Mexico, inthe summer of 1972.

(51:28):
Now when we left that viewing,my dad was with his longtime
friend, connie Chavez, a womanat one point that he wanted to
marry, and she was just indistress watching the
crucifixion of Jesus as itreally happened.
Jesus was an historicalpersonage.
He was crucified and everybodyin that room knew it because it

(51:48):
wasn't a dramatized rendering ofthe crucifixion.
It was horrendously awful towatch in light of Jesus's
suffering and we could tell,based on our understanding of
the three New Testament accountsof the crucifixion of Jesus of
Nazareth, that it was a realevent and not just some
purported event.

(52:09):
I mean, you have David Ickeclaiming that the Bible was
scripted by the Piso family ofRome.
You have people now in Easternreligions who have come out and
tried to show that Jesus is justa recapitulation of a previous
deity.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
So, as you can see, he talks about how there's a
window device almost like and ifanybody's seen Fringe, this is
going to remind you of part ofthat show there's a window that
lets you see into not only analternate reality, it lets you
see into the past.
And apparently it was him andit was with some other lady and
a couple other people and theyliterally witnessed.

(52:48):
Now he says he's 100% certainit was the crucifixion of Jesus.
And then by the end of it he'ssaying well, there were about
600 crucifixions of Caucasianmales around that time period,
so I guess it could have beenany one of those people, but it
was definitely the crucifixionof jesus definitely, god
definitely 100, and so he.

(53:09):
He then bases a bunch of wildclaims about, like, the history
of the world, on the fact that,because I know that the
crucifixion was real, I knowthat the bible's real and all of
this shit is real because hesaw a middle eastern man with a
beard on a cross and was likethat must be.
Because you saw a very commontechnique of heretical like

(53:33):
execution on just full displayright, that means you verify the
entirety or maybe he's.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Maybe he spoke to someone and asked them about it
in english, which i'm'm surethey were like oh yeah it's
Jesus yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Is that, hello American Hello?

Speaker 5 (53:52):
fellow Americans.
Yeah, it's, the basis for allof these fucking claims are
bananas and like the amount oflogical, just like leaps of
faith you have to take areinsane.
But here he is telling us abouthow this window works.
He goes over a bunch ofdifferent other types of
technology that lets you likeslightly experience the past

(54:13):
versus just looking at it orlike view it in from somebody
else's eyes.
Like he goes over all thesedifferent things.
It's really cool.
It's also batshit insane, likeit's just fucking wild.
This guy's a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yes, he's a lawyer, who do you think his clients are
?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
evangelicals.
I hope the fuckingglorpblebians from the
clonopoians yeah, but that isthe.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
He has several other stories about his, his jumps
into the past, um, but from whatI read, those were some of the
most interesting.
And, like I said, if you have achance to watch at least some
of the six hour interview, thatfive minute clip where he talks
about, like the crucifixion ofjesus I know we only showed a
little bit of it, but like ifyou can watch the whole five
minutes of it, it's, it's wildhe's got one great piece of

(55:07):
media did you mention when hewent back to like a million bc?
well, oh, that I would I forgot.
Yeah, he like briefly touchedon that, doesn't?
He contradict himself likethree times.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
So in the course of talking about it, pick a time
and he'll do that, unfortunately, right, but um wouldn't he be
sucking down like extremelyoxygen risk rich air.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I'm gonna stop you right there, cause uh, uh, he
didn't go back like that.
So he used a chrono visor to goback to the year 1 million BC
and he mentioned that it was amore red um and like, uh and
like a heated version of earth.
He mentioned seeing twodinosaurs on this path.
But he mentions using thechrono visor, which, like Jason

(55:53):
was saying, is one of the piecesof technology that they use to
go back.
Basically, what the chronovisor lets them do is it allows
them to kind of go backvirtually, it's like it's
basically just like a VR headset, but it he attempts to explain
it.
It still makes no sense to me,but it kind of allows you to go
back and experience this world.
But he mentions that when youuse the chrono visor and it's

(56:18):
kind of just like specific tothe kids, like the kids one of
the reasons that they chosechildren for this again is
because the kids using thechrono visor.
Yes, the kids, those childrenfor this again is because the
chrono, uh, kids using thechrono visor yes, the kids using
the chrono visors um, they canexperience the chrono visor uh
reality more than an adult can.
An adult can basically just viewit, um, view it like they're

(56:40):
you are using, like vr goggles.
A kid can actually go into thatworld more in depth.
So he mentions that when he'susing this chrono visor to go
back to the year 1 million BC.
He is there and he'sexperienced the world.
He's able to walk around.
He said that he went mileswithout running into a wall,
because the concept of a walldid not apply to him in this

(57:00):
virtual world that he wasexperiencing.
So that is what they use forthese kids to go back and
experience these worlds as well.
When they cannot go backphysically, they use a
chronovisor that lets them goback virtually and still
experience everything and bringback and collect data.
They can't interact with theworld.
There's not going to be a photoof him like at Gettysburg, but
he's able to still go and vieweverything that's going on and

(57:22):
gather data and technologies andtechnologies from this the the
past also.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
You don't even know if it's your past.
It could be an adjacentuniverse's past you know like
man, I hate when that happensthat.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
That one I enjoyed because he's like.
I went to a million bc, saw twodinosaurs and and I want, I
want someone to try to factcheck In 1 million BC were there
actually dinosaurs or was thatstill the time of the big bugs,
or whatever?

Speaker 5 (57:52):
That's actually a really good question.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I want to know what was actually alive in that time.
I didn't care enough to do anyresearch.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Mesothelic era, which spanned from approximately 252
million to 66 million years ago.
Is that 1 million BC?
Not far enough back?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Not far enough back, approximately 252 million to 66
million years ago, so is thatone Not far enough?

Speaker 5 (58:08):
So not even not far enough back.
Yeah, yeah, it was 66 million.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Oh, that sounds great .
Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
You're welcome.
I love that.
I can't think anymore, holyfuck.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
But, jason, you mentioned that he didn't really
jump around too much more in thein his, uh, the past there or
whatever, correct?

Speaker 5 (58:33):
um, he seemed to visit like similar uh eras and
time periods, and it's almostlike they do whatever program he
was a part of, like in when hewas a part of darpa um, nor
whatever criteria, whateverpaDARPA, whatever criteria,
whatever syllabus they hadprinted out for his time travel
adventures.
It was like recurring events.

(58:55):
I know I couldn't think ofanything else.
I feel like they wanted to testthe same time several times in
a row and as like yes, scienceminded, that makes a hundred
percent sense, make sure you getit.
But it wasn't like it was.
It was like seven events.
From what?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
we talked about.
I want to read a small snippetand this is from great dreamscom
slash, darpa, dash, pegasus,dot HTM, which is a fantastic
reference for everything on this.
It has everything you couldpossibly ever need and I'm going
to read a small snippet fromthat.
That goes into some of thethings you were talking about
too.
Jason so, appearing during allfour hours of one of his shows,

(59:43):
basiago discusses experimentswith the secret DARPA program,
project Pegasus, and what heclaimed to be a true history of
US time travel, research andteleportation technology.
As a kid, his fathervolunteered him to be inducted
into the experimental program asa guinea pig from the years
1969 to 1972.
He described being teleportedfrom locations in Woodbridge,
new Jersey, to Santa Fe, newMexico, via device derived from

(01:00:03):
Tesla technology.
A cavern opens up and that iswhat he used for time travel
During this time frame.
He said he witnessed anaccident where a boy's feet were
sheared off after he wasteleported.
We mentioned that.
He also talked aboutteleportation technology could
be used for time travel anddevelopment of chronovisors
which allowed holographicrecordings to be made of

(01:00:23):
historically significant eventssuch as the crucifixion of Jesus
and the signing of the USConstitution In one criminal
visor recording of the future hewas able to witness in 1971, he
described seeing US SupremeCourt building under 100 feet of
brickish water in the year 2013, suggesting that the entire
east of Seaboard will be flooded.
Time travel technology enabledthe US to win the Cold War as

(01:00:45):
the government teleportedmilitary secrets of the future
to store for safekeeping.
And the technology also helpedwith future presidential
elections.
Just wanted to add that inthere, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Great, good, good use of our time so these recordings
?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I assume that that means when you're using the
Chronovisor.
Are you recording while you'reusing it or you're viewing the
recordings?

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
You're recording it for other people to view.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
So we have these recordings somewhere still?
Are these just like chilling inthe Library of Congress?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah, that's true, that's what his whole goal is to
release these recordings anddocuments to the public.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
I cannot wait to go over his political ambitions in
2016.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Yeah, anyway, so I mentioned there at the end.
Uh, presidents, jason, were youdone with your little snippet?

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
I'm yeah, I'm good, I'm gonna go take a giant piss.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
You guys have fun bitchin rock a huge piss like I
mentioned before, um, thistechnology was used to assist
presidents in future elections,um.
So there's a couple that hementions meeting.
He mentions meeting uh two, acouple that he mentions meeting.
He mentions meeting two of theBushes.
He mentions meeting Clinton andour Lord and Savior, barack
Obama.

(01:02:08):
Obama is the big one here.
So in the 80s, andrew, he also.
He goes by Andy.
I'm just going to throw thatout there.
So I'm going to call him Andyhe mentions that in terms we are
, we're best buddies Big list,you guys?
honestly, yes, we are All rightcool.
So two time travelers going tothe past, so he mentions.

(01:02:35):
He mentions that while he wasin college he met up with a
protester who was from I believehe said it was from he was in
college.
He met up with a protester whowas from I believe he said he
was from South Africa orsomething and he was talking to
this protester about some of thetime travel adventures that
he's going on.
The protester was like holyshit, that's awesome.
I know a guy that you shouldtalk to about this stuff.

(01:02:57):
And so he went back to theprotester's house and, wouldn't
you know it, it wasmotherfucking, barack Obama was
there.
And he went on to discussfurther with Obama these
adventures in time travel andbasically Obama was like yep,
I'm doing that too.
Yep, perfect.
So that's he kind of contradictshimself a little bit here,

(01:03:18):
because he mentions that this isthe first time he met Obama.
But then he goes on to claimthat Obama was in one of his
Mars training classes atCalifornia's College of
Siskiyous, I think it's called,in 1980.
So this was part of a group of10 young adults chosen to travel
to Mars via a jump room.

(01:03:38):
Which jump room is basically?
It's what it sounds like.
There's multiple across all ofthe United States, so they can
go to one wherever they go toone wherever is most convenient
to them, and it's just ateleportation room.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
But he claims that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Is a waypoint.
Yeah, he mentions that the then19 year old Barack Obama went
by the nickname Barry Sotero,which Doug mentioned before.
He mentions that the then19-year-old Barack Obama went by
the nickname Barry Sotero,which Doug mentioned before.
He says that he encountered thefuture president at the US
bases on Mars, which he is saidto have visited twice between
the years 1981 and 1983.

(01:04:18):
He is said to have visitedtwice between the years 1981 and
1983.
On one instance, Bishago saysthat he even exchanged words
with Obama himself while inroute to one of the jump rooms
on Mars.
Guess what these words are thatstuck with Bishago to this day.
Who's up?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Don't go into the Twin Towers on 9-11.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
No, he said that on route to one of the jump rooms.
Once they arrived, obama saidwe're here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
We're here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
That's it.
That's it.
So he goes on at one point aswell.
Hang on, I got to go through mynotes here because, jesus
Christ, I have them all fuckingfor the place.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
So he goes on at one point as well, um, hang on, I
gotta go through my notes herebecause, jesus christ, I have
them all fucking for the place.
Um, so he goes on at one point.
What'd you say?
We've been trying to tell youthat, mike tell me what about my
notes suck.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Yeah, I know my notes aren't the best, uh your notes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I try to give, I try to help I try, I do try.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
I do have this link here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Essentially plants that effect in the past and
causes that effect to become thecatalyst for the cause of the
effect that you brought back intime.
So just to spin this analogy onemore time if, after identifying
future US presidents, the CIAhas been approaching them and

(01:05:43):
apprising them of theirdestinies as president and
training them, and even puttingthe teams in place to get them
elected after they have trainedthem, and even manipulating the

(01:06:08):
electoral process, like they didin 2000 when they made George W
Bush president even though hehadn't won the election, by
taking data from the future likethat and using it in the
present to create the future,you are creating the very
effects that you've monitored ordetected from the future in a
way that works with them in thepresent to create the very
future that you've sensed.
And there's a syllogistic orsolipsistic dimension to that.
That is one of the reasons why,for example, my father was

(01:06:29):
always instructing Connie not toshare with me any of the things
he had told her about me,because you don't want to alter
the present by giving somebodyprior knowledge of a future
event or contingency, unlessyou're damn sure they need to
know it and that the benefitsoutweigh the risks of that, but

(01:06:49):
I think that if we look at thehistory last four years of us
presidential politics, if weconsider the fact that I met
george hw bush and george w bushat the la hacienda restaurant
in albuquerque when I was onPegasus and they were being run
through to be told what theirdestinies were, and that George
W Bush, his 25-year-old son, wasall over those tables at that

(01:07:11):
restaurant where the projectpeople were dining, joking
repeatedly my daddy and I aregoing to be president, as he was
in his silly way.
If we then factor in the factthat I heard Bill Clinton spoken
of as a future US, president,Just like a little two minute
snippet.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Basically, it's him saying that he went to this one
dinner that the CIA basicallyput together and it was him, a
couple other time travelers anda couple of the future
presidents as well.
He mentions that a couple ofthe future presidents as well.
He mentions that George HW Bushand George W Bush were both
there.
It was at this point that HWBush and W were told that they

(01:07:54):
were going to be president atone point and that they were
basically going to start beinggroomed to become the president.
So during this dinner he saysthat Bush was a very charismatic
and energetic man and he's hegoes on to say how Bush would
keep going to everyone at thedinner party saying did you, did
you hear that me and my dad aregoing to be president of the
United States?
I can't do a good, George.
It went more Clinton thananything.
I think, yeah, but um, he, hebasically went table to table

(01:08:19):
saying, hey, I'm going to bepresident of the United States,
and he kept making the joke thathim and his dad were going to
be presidents like co-presidentstogether, because he heard that
they were both going to bepresident.
So he made the joke that theywere going to run together and
do everything together.
Yeah, they're going to beco-managers?
Yeah, but it's at this dinnerthat the Bushes found out they

(01:08:42):
were going to be presidents andthey were being groomed to
become presidents.
Obama Was also told that he wasgoing to become president and
groomed to be that as well.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
During his time On Mars, or was that before that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
It was during his time.
It was during his Mars Funtimes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
So Andy claims, that he just went back in time and
Barry just happened to be there,but was it Barry from our
universe or Barry from anotheruniverse?

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
So this is where it gets a little confusing because
again he claims that he wentthere and he just so happened
Barry was in his.
I like we're calling Barry,like we're friends Obama was
just kind of in his classessentially.
So he says it was just kind ofa coincidence and that's when
yeah, yeah, but he found out,but the protest incident yeah,
exactly that's what I'm saying,and obama just happened to be
there yeah, it's kind of it'skind of contradicting, because

(01:09:30):
you have that where it's likeobama just happened to be there
to talk to the guy and thatsomebody has forgotten the
things, the

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
intricate web of a lie, he of lies that they've
constructed.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
He also mentions that that is also when Obama was
kind of told that he was goingto become president, because he
mentions that a CIA guy came upto that house and was like you
know, we've already talked toObama about his future in
government and he saw Obama givelike a confirming nod about it.
So it kind of contradictsitself a little bit yeah, so it

(01:10:02):
kind of contradicts itself alittle bit.
Yeah, it kind of contradictsitself a little bit, um, but he,
he has had this knowledge offuture presidents, of presidents
in the future, and thatinformation has been given to
them in the past so they can begroomed to become the president.
Um, a little confusing, butthat's just how it but that

(01:10:24):
information.
That information had to havecome from the future um, and
bashago has made claims ofjumping to the future as well,
so yeah yes, he's been all overthe place yeah, in particular.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
So most.
If you look him up and look uphis time travel exploits, most
of what he talks about is fromthe past, because it's easier to
come up with fake evidenceabout things that have already
happened.
Yeah, um, but he does recount inseveral different interviews
that I was able to find aparticular incident where he

(01:10:59):
traveled to the year 2045.
And apparently this is how heknows that just general
teleportation exists at somepoint, at least by the year 2045
.
Because he claims that he wasin 2045 and was shown just
walking into an elevator likedevice.
When the door opens, you're ina different building or a
different part of the city.

(01:11:19):
So that level of teleportationwill be fully operational within
the US by 2045.
So imagine how calm life isgoing to be.
I often urge people to studyBuddhism, because the future is
going to be a lot calmer becauseof the introduction of these
technologies.
You're not going to be racingaround to make your connections,
for example.
He also claims that during hisvisit to 2045, he was given a

(01:11:42):
miniature canister of microfilmto be brought back to the 1970s,
which contained a wealth ofknowledge of every historical
event up until that point.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Microfilm huh yeah, it's still used in 2045.
Yeah, they're really.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
This is the best medium we can give you this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Well, that makes sense to me because quantum
digital compression.
We've got fucking fiber opticconnections that actually makes
sense for them to use microfilm,because he had to bring that
information back to the 70s.
They're not going to give thema fucking SD card.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Where do I plug this in?

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
My question is did they just?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
get that ready.
How did they do this?

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
They is like did they just get that?
Are you ready?
They're like here.
We just had this lying aroundfrom well, you know they could
have given him a DLC player.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
The people that he went to the people that he went
to were basically part of theprogram in the future, so they
they knew that they wereexpecting some traveler.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Yeah, they were expecting some traveler.
Yeah, they're expecting atraveler to come.
The this guy has.
He has got.
I don't know why he's not afucking science fiction writer.
He'd be incredible, likeamazing, like dune level of
amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I don't know.
I feel almost like if you hadthis all written out in one like
piece of media, it would becomequickly very apparent how
little any of it makes sensewhen put together.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
I guess the Again.
This is going back to thesix-hour fucking video, his
lecture.
It's the things that either.
Okay, the thing that I tookaway from that was he is either
really really perfected the artof coming up with bullshit on
the spot that is coherent witheach other, or he's memorized a

(01:13:30):
lot of information.
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
The man is a lawyer and a public speaker so he
literally trained his whole lifeto be able to hold an argument
for something that he may or maynot believe in.
However, that's fair.
I think he has become soingrained in this that he I mean
in the- off chance that isfucking real.

(01:13:54):
Yeah, I think he believes atthis point.
He has to at this point, rightlike he's probably said it many
times, many times many times Imean the guy when you listen to
him talk, he's very well spoken,uh, he's, he's good with words,

(01:14:16):
clearly, um, and it's verybelievable.
Like when you're listening tohim talk about this shit, you're
like, yeah, that's you did dothat.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
huh, kind of to harken back to the future thing
as well, did matt?
Did you uh, find anything aboutthe weird, like emerald
tungsten city, that, and theweird nature, how we coexist
with nature in?

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
this future.
The nature thing, I didn't thebuilding that he was given the
microfilm in though, was made ofemerald and tungsten.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
My first question was how the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
are building materials going to have to
drastically change within thenext 20 years.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
But also you were able to just identify that on
site.
Huh, Like you could look at melike that is, emerald and
tungsten specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Isn't tungsten like incredibly heavy material too?

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Yes, oh yeah, it's one thing that was tossed around
between a lot of world powerswhen they were deciding if
satellite-slash-space-basedweaponry would be good, because
tungsten is very dense and ifyou drop something from that
height you could level a lot ofthings, and they adapted that in
the Rods of God or whateverit's called.

(01:15:37):
What movie was that from?
I don't fucking know Geostorm.
I think it was actually X-MenApocalypse.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
So he mentions going to a future and he's gone to a
couple different futures and hedoesn't touch on many of them,
but one of them he does mentionis that in one of the futures he
goes to humans and like nature,kind of like coexist better
than we do now.
He mentioned that a lot of thebuildings in the city that he
went to were a mix of nature andlike human construction.

(01:16:09):
So it's kind of like in mybrain I imagine, like you know,
in movies, where it's like theapocalypse, like 40 years later
and like trees and vines startgrowing through buildings again.
That's what I kind of imaginedbeing reclaimed by nature.
Yeah, that's what I kind ofimagined.
That's what he kind of infersis that we have this like this
mesh of both worlds now.
And he also goes on to to sayas well, is what you're saying?

(01:16:33):
Probably?
He goes on to say as well, withthat microfilm thing, that he
brought that microfilm back andthe people were like great thing
that he brought that microfilmback, and the people were like
great, we're going to documentit, but we can't do too much
with this because that futurethat you came from very well
might be a multiverse and mightnot be our future.
So we're going to documenteverything that they said, but
we can't do anything about itbecause we're not even sure if
it's actually going to happen ornot so how does that

(01:16:54):
information get lost?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
so if he went to 2045 and contacted people that were
aware of this entire program, ifin the 70s they were aware that
the time travel was not to thesame timeline, how did that
information get lost from the70s to 2045?
Because wouldn't the people in2045 have been like there's no
point in giving him this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Well, you have to remember sometimes, sometimes he
found himself in the past whatdo you want from me?

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
I think the big, but it's hard to do that the moment
he brought up the multiverse.
I'm like you kind ofcontradicted your entire thing
here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
The photograph.
The photograph from Gettysburg.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
How do?
You have that Is, that this isall for sure real.

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
We're just trying to make.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
We need to know how it works, though, doug.
I need to know how it works.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I need to know about this guy, the whole multiverse
thing kind of makes all of thisjust completely worthless Dude
okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
The amount of emphasis he puts on the photo in
in that giant lecture he does,he keeps coming back to it.
That's like his, his gospelpoint, like that's where he
derives all of his belief, isoff the photo, the photograph
that he has of himself from 1865at the Gettysburg address.

(01:18:25):
If multiverse theory is a thing, like he says, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Another, him or something.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
That should never like.
You shouldn't remember thedetails of that.
You know what I mean, becauseif you remember the details of
that, that means you are goingback to your past.
You are not going back to amultiverse past.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Oh, something funny.
Fyi, I just Googled, theearliest species of homogenes
appeared around 2 million to 1.5million BC.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
So him going back to the year 1 million.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Him going back to the year 1 million BC means he was
more likely to come acrosspeople than dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Just like early people.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
A hundred percent yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Isn't it like pretty widespread too, like amongst the
like people who do study, liketime travel, that like going
back in time, is pretty much offthe table as far as that's
concerned.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Yeah, I think the theory is that going back and
also interacting I think thetheory is that going back and
also interacting like if you, ifyou were able to move fast
enough, you could look backwardsin a certain way, to where
you'd be able to watch historyunfold before your eyes you just
wouldn't be able to do anythingabout it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
You know what I mean.
Here's the thing, too that Ijust thought about, and I'm sure
in like time travel circles orwhatever the fuck, communities
exist around this.
This has been discussed before,but you know how, with the
multiverse, there's like thatconcept that in every single,
every single thing that possiblycould happen there's a

(01:19:53):
multiverse, where that there'slike a universe where that
happened.
Yeah so so now let's imaginethat we created the technology
to teleport ourselves intoanother multiverse, correct?
So that means that in ouruniverse, let's say, I go back
to 1945.
In our universe, I teleportedto 1945.

(01:20:17):
1945.
And so now in that multiverseor in that universe, there's a
me from this universe that isappears in 1945.
But but but think about it,think about it.
That means that if it'spossible to invent the
technology to jump universes,that means there is a universe

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out and infinite possibilitieshappen.
That means that there is auniverse out there when somebody
, where I travel back in time Tothis moment and punch myself in
the face, and that's nothappening?

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
That's not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Think really hard about it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Intentionality man, that's.
All you need is intentionality.
Also, mike, I am so excited foryou to go off on your rant
about this, because I knowyou're about to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
I have a bunch of shit ready for the end of this
that I'm just going to oh,you're going to unload.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I know the fact that nobody the fact that people
aren't just constantly appearingand disappearing from our
reality kind of disproves theentire idea that it's possible
to jump the multiverse theory,and especially if you can jump
universes, right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
So multiverse theory basically says whenever a
decision is made, the oppositeside of that decision is also
made in another universe.
Right, right, I guess?
But, like would that?
Would that mean, that in acertain universe that multiverse
theory isn't real?

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
I've been over this before I made this.
This is the conundrum I madebefore, right.
You said this to me before andit's blown my mind the problem
with multiverse theory isthere's infinite possibilities,
meaning there is a universewhere we have proven without a
doubt that multiverse theorycannot exist and there's another
universe where we have provenwithout a doubt that multiverse
theory cannot exist and there'sanother universe we've proven
without a doubt that multiverseI don't think that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
I don't think that argument works, though, because
in every the idea with therebeing infinite possibilities is,
like it's, infinitepossibilities that still abide
by the laws of the physical lawsof the universe, and if one of
the of the multiverse, and ifone of the physical laws of the
multiverse is that travelbetween multiverses is real,

(01:22:24):
then that's just a fact, that'sa ground property of the
multiverse.
You can't change that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
But wouldn't?
I don't know, I don't fuckingknow.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
That's like there can be no universe in the
multiverse where 2 plus 2 equals5.
It's a law.
It's a physical law.
You can't change that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
I think there's a lot that we don't understand about
all of that.
So, Mike, when you firstbrought that point up to me
about if infinite possibilitiesexist and if time is given for
those infinite possibilities tohappen, then that means that
there is a possibility thatmultiverse doesn't exist, Like
yes, that's a self-defeatingthing.

(01:23:07):
However, Matt, now that you sayit has to abide by the laws of
physics, like yes, well, thereare rules of the multiverse,
like there have to be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
There are physical properties of everything.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
We still have everything to talk about andy
buchanan I guess, I guess, butwe're going off on tangents.
We never do this wrap us uphere, jason, you gotta, you
gotta talk about this man'sfucking his presidential
political career.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Hell yeah, brother at this rate, I just don't even
care oh man I didn't before westarted to be honest.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
I promise I will keep this short and sweet because it
is guaranteed short and sweet.
Matt, if you want to throw upon our little screen, I would
love to throw up on the screen.
Andy2016.com.
That's it, just Andy2016.com.
Fun, friends and love.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Personals.
That's it Just Andy2016.com.
Fun friends and love Personless.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Do it now.
So when you get here, you'regoing to see, just in big black
letters and a white background,it says home, and it just
launches right into what thissite's about.
It says Andrew DeBasio is aprominent figure in the truth
movement.
Now, the truth movement ispretty much everything that
we've been talking about upuntil now.
It's the fact that time travelexists, etc.

(01:24:28):
Etc.
Etc.
For more than 10 years, he hasshared with the American people
the true facts of our greatnation's accomplishments in time
travel and Mars visitation.
And, honestly, that's the firstparagraph.
The second one talks a littlebit about some metaphoric usage

(01:24:48):
of creative descriptions of thetruth movement, without telling
you anything about the truthmovement whatsoever.
It does tell you, though, thattoday, andrew D Bishago is
running for the president of theunited states.
Now, one of the things that hefound out well, in his time
travel adventures is that he wasgoing to be president somewhere

(01:25:11):
between the years of 2016 and2028.
So that's a chance, baby.
He does.
He's got one more chance, um,but in 2016, he set up this site
and he actually I found all ofthe uh, the paperwork like the
the bureaucratic paper trailthat was left by him signing up
to become a presidentialcandidate for the state of

(01:25:34):
florida.
Um, I had the responses so likeit was a real thing.
I I don't remember any of thatlike at all, but he was a viable
candidate for the 2016 election, which you remember all the
shit about cam girls, gay chatand adult cams.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
It seems to be what is mostly on this website.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
Mormon boys, oh yeah, mormon boys, oh yeah, the
majority of it is ad space forpornographic web websites very
niche pornographic websites goto delunycom.
you might see similar you mightsee porn, um, but yeah.
So like he had intended tobecome a much bigger political

(01:26:18):
figure than he actually is,because I guarantee like before
I looked into any of this, I hadno idea that this guy was
actually into politics.
I have something to add.
When you're done, he has vowedor said if elected president, he
will lead the American peopleinto a bold new era of truth,
reform and innovation.
As great as they are Great,join us in supporting Andy in

(01:26:42):
his quest to establish apresidency as honest, just and
ingenious as the American people.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I swear to God it's important to note that truth,
reform and innovation arecapitalized as well as new
agenda and new America.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
There's a lot of capitalization.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
I don't know, You'd think so?

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
um, I guess that sounds great but it says nothing
, nothing, nothing, nothing,nothing, nothing.
All it says is that he's gonnatell you about time travel.
That's the only promise here.
So his political campaign slashcareer.
It started and ended prettyfucking quickly, you say that
here's the thing.
Oh, didn't he go to Connecticutfor a little bit too?
For what?

(01:27:26):
He ran for he ran for Politicaloffice there as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Maybe I don't remember that.
So here's the thing with thepresidential thing.
You're missing out on the mostimportant piece.
Jason.
Most important piece is that hehe has said that he was going
to be president in 2028.
He was told back in the pasttwo different things.
He was told one he was going tobecome the president.
He was also told in another, byanother cia operative.
He was told you will not becomethe president, but you are

(01:27:54):
going to be um, you're going tobe an important figure in future
government.
And he's like what does thatmean?
And they're like more thanlikely, some form of vice
president.
So he's got two options eitherpresident or vice president.
Now here's the thing he saidthat he becomes president in
2028, and people are like well,why did you run in 2016?
Then it's to put his name onthe fucking map.

(01:28:15):
He had to get his name outthere for some reason.
Now his name's out there.
People are talking about him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
We're fucking talking about him, but hasn't he
himself already established thatit doesn't matter what they
told him in the past, since thatwasn't?

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Shut up.
No, this is real.
Can we go back to that?
Can we go back to that?
No, this is real.
Shut up, this is real.
He's going to be our president,and you know what?
Here's a funny thing Ilegitimately think he's got a
relative and relative is doing alot of hard heavy lifting here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Nothing surprises me at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
A relative good chance of winning, because
here's the thing One ourpolitical climate right now is
in the fucking tank.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
It wouldn't be the stupidest thing that's ever
happened.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
It's full of conspiracy theorists and shit
already.
So here's the thing we alreadyhave conspiracy theorists in
government.
We have fucking Congressmembers we have.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
Senate members we have people.
Jewish space lasers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Exactly.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Jewishspace lasers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Trump's already helping us travel back in time,
so we're getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Make our universe.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
great again For him to become president is not that
out of line, and here's why.
So you have a political climatefull of brain dead conspiracy
theorists and on the other sideyou have people who are trying
to keep like the general rule oflaw going and keep with the
status quo.
It's not working.
So what best to bring thesepeople together than a

(01:29:39):
conspiracy theorist who also hasa law degree?
You have the best of bothfucking worlds.
You have a guy who believes,yeah, time travel's real, and
also Harper probably is too.
Harper probably is real too.
All this weird shit.
But also I got a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
A Machiavellian grifter is the best.
Also, though, I got a fuckinglaw degree so I know what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
He is an intellectual , but he's also kind of cuckoo.
He is the perfect candidateright now to combine both
parties, to get into one unitedfront and get us back on some
sort of normality path.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
He is a modern day conscientious.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
And that's why I think he has got a good chance.
He's a good candidate to bringeveryone together.
Now I got some shit that Igotta to talk to you boys about.
Okay, I got a lot left that Ineed to talk about.
We're at hour 30, Mike, we'reat hour 30, so I'm going to kind
of speed run through a lot ofthis shit real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
I'm just going to drink while you do that, go for
it.
I'm going to go back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
We're going to take 10, and it's just going to be
Mike by himself.
Go for it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
So I'm going to go through a bunch of shit that I
left out throughout this entirething.
So it's going to be a kind ofsporadic, but it's information
that I feel is very needed.
So, first and foremost, darpahad, as he explains, five
reasons for involving Americanschool children in such new,
dangerous and experimentalactivities.
First, the Department ofDefense wanted to test the
mental and physical effects ofteleportation on children.
Defense wanted to test themental and physical effects of

(01:30:59):
teleportation on children.
Second, project Pentecostneeded to use children because
the holograms created by theirchronovisors would collapse when
adults stood inside of them.
Third, the children were tabularasa and would tend to see
things during the time probesthat adults would tend to miss.
Fourth, the children weretrainees who, upon growing up,

(01:31:19):
would serve in a coverttime-space program under DARPA
that would operate in tandemwith the overt space program
under NASA, with gifted andtalented children from childhood
, the US government might createan adult cadre, an adult group

(01:31:44):
of chrononauts capable ofdealing with psychological
effects of time travel, in onetime probe in the future,
undertaken by Project Pegasus,from a chronovisor device
located at ITT DefenseCommunications in Nutley, New
Jersey.
Mr Bishago viewed the US SupremeCourt building in Washington DC
as it was in the year 2013.
During this probe, he found theSupreme Court underwater.
I went over this already andthat's when they decided that

(01:32:08):
they found it underwater and hereported this to the lieutenant
commander from the Office ofNaval Intelligence, who
debriefed him after the probe tothe future, after all that was
completed.
He hastens to add that, becauseof the coronavirus, didn't
identify absolute deterministicfutures, but rather alternate
futures in the multiverse, thiscatastrophic vision of

(01:32:38):
Washington DC.
The teleporters developed byProject Pegasus allowed for
physical teleportation todistant locations, sometimes
with an adjustment forward orbackwards in time of days, weeks
, months or years.
According to Basiago, in 1972,the US government was using
quantum displacement of thiskind to send both people forward
in time several years to storesensitive military secrets in
the future and backwards in timeseveral years to revive the

(01:33:01):
government with currentintelligence about future events
.
Now something else that I wantto bring up.
So he mentions at one point inan interview with Coast to Coast
.
He mentions that he talks to alot of fans and that they all
believe in what he's talkingabout.
He talks with one fan who heactually fucking worked with,

(01:33:22):
which is wild to me.
I'm going to get into some moreinformation on that.
Where is it?
I had it fucking stored aroundhere somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
Oh what a name.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Fuck, hang on, give me one second, give me one
second, one second.
So he's got some informationhere, and so he mentions working
with a man named BrettStillings.
Stillings knew that everythingthat he was talking about was
true and this is why this is aquote from his Coast to Coast
interview.

(01:33:51):
He knew I was telling the truthwhen I appeared on your show
because, as a non-physicist, Idescribed the fact that the
crystal array inside thechronovisors was generating the
hologram of past and futureevents was made of bismuth, and
Brett described how bismuth hasspecial properties and an atomic
number of 83.
It has a complete proton shell,hence would facilitate the
lensing effect involvingbringing past and future events
into the time laboratory that Idescribed um.

(01:34:13):
He also stated that that's kindof um.
83 is kind of a magic numberbecause when you begin to add 32
to 83 in codemem, you reachelements that have unusual
properties.
So if you add 32 to 83, you getelement 115, which is what
Robert Lazar talked about backin 1989 with George Knapp.
Robert Lazar, yes, he talkedabout this in 1989 with George

(01:34:34):
Knapp and they agreed duringthis interview.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
They agreed during this interview.
You're really here for this.
They agreed during thisinterview.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
They agreed during this interview that they
affirmed that the statements byRobert Lazar about the unusual
properties of element 115 iscorrect.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Everything is right there in the transquantum series
of elements.
This is all back to ProjectSerpo.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
This's the same.
This is the same fucking dude.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
For those of you, for those of you that don't know
much about robert lazar, let metell you a little thing about
him.
What the fuck is happening?
My robin lozavall.
Robert lazar is an americanconspiracy theorist.
In 1989, lazar claimed to havebeen a part of a classified US
government project concernedwith the reverse engineering of
extraterrestrial technology.
He basically says that heworked on Area 51 and he

(01:35:29):
discovered an element calledElement 115.
Now this is taken from anarticle that I found online is
atomic numbers 113, 115, 117,118 were all basically announced
in the International Union ofPure Applied Chemistry.
They announced that theaddition of these four elements

(01:35:49):
into the periodic table One ofthem, and this is during like
2012.
This is relatively recent.
One of them, though that atomicnumber 115 was already announced
in 1989 with Robert Lazar, whoagain was famous Area 51
whistleblower.
He revealed to the public thatthe UFOs possessed by the US
government were powered by amysterious Element 115.

(01:36:09):
And at that time, the claimsmade by Lazar were tagged as
absurd at the scientificcommunity and they had no
knowledge of an Element 115.
Until 2003, that's when theydiscovered these different
elements.
It wasn't until 2012 that a lotof this other shit was posted
about it, but in 2003, hisstatements gained more
credibility when a group ofRussian scientists managed to
create the elusive element, andnow we were able to tweak it a

(01:36:33):
little bit, we found out that itis a real element, something
that we can create.
The only downside is that theelement that we created is
different from the element thathe talked about, mostly because
the element that we have is aradioactive element that decays
in less than a second and it'sbasically useless.
It can't be utilized foranything, especially not a fuel
source.
So they were able to confirmthat this bismuth that they used

(01:37:00):
used a same type of qualitythat this Element 115 did.
They just used it in adifferent way to be able to
project the past and the presentthrough these chrono visors.
Now here's another little bit Iwant to bring up.
This is from Andrew Bishagohimself to a Facebook group
called Project Pegasus, the timetravel group of Andrew D

(01:37:20):
Bishago.
I have an important discoveryto share.
Wynne Keech has uncoveredMike's going to figure it out
for you Wynne Keech hasuncovered facts proving my claim
that the node of thecoronavirus developed by.
DARPA's Project Pegasus was aneight-sided bismuth crystal that
my father, raymond F Bishago,was responsible for development

(01:37:42):
by which chronovision was madepossible, and that there was a
link between the chronovisor andphysicist, dr Enrico Fermi.
I knew of my father's 1962 USpatent related to the Hall
effect, but not a citation in a1967 US patent related to
eight-sided bismuth crystals,which I've stated in all my
public lectures about the adventof time travel was a component
in the chrono virus, a chronoviruses that propagated the

(01:38:02):
space time hologram that allowednon local events to be lensed
into the laboratory.
As explained by me and by myfather in 1971, I began visiting
past events via the chronovisor at Morris, morristown, new
Jersey.
The truth marches on and, asGod is my witness, the future
shall absolve me.
Oi, as God is my witness, thefuture shall absolve me.

(01:38:25):
Yeah, what do you guys think?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
That was a lot, my guy, that was a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
I don't understand what any of that had to do with
anything.
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
I wanted to bring it up because it helped describe
how the chronovisors worked.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
Oh great, Mike basically just gave us the deep
sixth intel about how these timetravel VR pros work, and this
is what nobody wants us to hear,Bismuth.
But also I still don'tunderstand how they work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
I don't think.
Mike understands how they work.
I don't think I can understandhow they work.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
It's using bismuth which has a proton shell because
of its atomic number.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Where they were like oh this is 83, but this is 32,
so let's fucking add themtogether and you get 115.
I fucking hate when conspiracytheories start doing that type
of shit.
See, if you add these twonumbers together, they make
another fucking number.
This is how we get the doingthat type of shit.
See, if you add these twonumbers together they make
another fucking number.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
How about that?
This is how we get the fuckinggiant ice ball bullshit where,
oh, there's flat Earth, but somepeople think it's round, let's
just put thousands of the flat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Earths on a ball.
People are just so stupid thatwhen they accidentally figure
out how to do math.
They think it has some sort ofsignificance.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Here's another little tidbit just something silly
that I want to bring up just tocap end it, something that I
think no just something silly.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
I'm not even drinking .

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
So, um, just like.
So Andy mentioned before thathe was chosen among other gifted
and bright school children, um,for his talents and, uh, his
intellect and things like that.
What's funny enough and I thinkwe mentioned this before he
goes on to say that he wasactually chosen because the CIA
from the future, like our time Iheard the duck, but I'm going

(01:40:06):
to keep going.
He was the CIA from, like ourtime had intel that he was going
to tell the story of ProjectPegasus.
So they already knew thatAndrew Bishago was going to
reveal to the world aboutProject Pegasus and all of its
technological advancements, andthey wanted to make sure that
that happens.
So they sent back informationto the past, to Andy's dad, to

(01:40:28):
tell his dad your son is goingto be in this project because he
already is basically awhistleblower in the future, and
we like that shit, so thoughtthat was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
But again, that would have no effect on the current
timeline.
So what's?

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
the fucking point Correct, let's play the fun game
.
It's great that we're figuringout things that work in other
timelines except for ours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Yeah, all this seems like a completely moot point.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Wait, hold on.
I think you might get somethinginteresting.
Yogurt tastes like Coca-Cola inthe other timeline.

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
Let's cap this off with a final real or fake boys.
I'm gonna pass this to each ofyou and you tell me if you think
it's real or fake.
Matt, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
I think the headache I have now is very real.
So you think it's real awesome.
That's good to know um jason.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
what do you think?
It's real Awesome.
That's good to know.
Jason, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
I think he has convinced himself.
This is real.
And what is reality if not whatyou perceive it to be?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
That's fair enough, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Doug, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Fake.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
As fuck.
I am still an open mindedskeptic on this one, and here's
why he has the funniest.
Just stop.
He's got the opportunity to dothe funniest thing, and if he
becomes elected president?

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
I am going to laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
I'm keeping an open mind until 2028.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Because if he doesn't become president.
That's hilarious.
I'll donate $1,000 to hiscampaign if he gets elected.
Well, I guess he would alreadyget elected.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
I'm voting for Andrew Bishago.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
If he runs.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
I'll vote for him If he becomes a major party
candidate, I will donate $1,000to his campaign.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
I'm holding out an open mind until 2028, and if he
gets elected, that is going tobe the best fucking shit.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
We're his social manager.
We're in control of all of hispublic imagery.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Yep.
Well, with all that being said,nobody fucking else is.
With all that being said, I'mis.
With all that being said, I'mgonna cap this off by just
saying I've said capped off toomany times.
I'm gonna end this.
But you have, patreoncom isusually when you end.
Yeah, okay thank you patreoncom.
Slash dilly pod.
Go fuck yourself, doug, forinterrupting me.
Delunycom, go become a memberof those things.
Um.
Follow us on any social media.

(01:42:57):
We're fucking everywhere.
It's's either DelutyPod ordon't.
Look under the internet and dothat.
Send us an email at DelutyPodat gmailcom.
Go kiss a guy on the streetbecause he might be a time
traveler, so he can go back intime and tell you that you're
going to kiss a guy in thefuture.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
He can tell people in the future how people in the
past kiss.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Exactly, especially in the multiverse.
Uh matt, what do you got to sayfor people?

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
if you've made it this far.
I want, I just want you to saythat in the comments on spotify
or the comments- on youtube saythat I made it this far just say
, I made it this far, I justwant far I just want to see how
many people did it and who youare Say.
I made it this far and justleave a little blurb about

(01:43:48):
yourself, something about whoyou are.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
They're not magic rocks.
People in the Discord.
It's bismuth, you fuckwads.
It's got chemical atomic numberstuff.
It's the same shit man.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
It's got a proton shell.
Oh my god, You've got a protonshell.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Oh my God.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
You've got a proton shell.
Most things do, Mike.
Jason, what do?

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
you got Fucking be paranoid.
If you see a child pop up inyour timeline that isn't
supposed to be there.
Just fucking kill them.
That's just an easy way to fixall of this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
We don't condone children.

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Man Awesome.

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I love you.
Thank you for listening to metalk about a lunatic for fucking
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