September 13, 2022 • 30 mins
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Intro (00:02):
fighting back against the left's non stop attacks on
liberty, freedom. And America,America. This is don't tread on
liberty. Jason Davis is on theair.
Jason Davis (00:19):
Hey, welcome back to don't tread on liberty.
Thanks for being here. I'm JasonDavis. And we have a packed show
today, folks, and we're gonna bebringing you a lot of good
information as always, so I'mgonna bring in my guest, we're
gonna get right to it, becausewe're short on time, but he's
been on before you know who heis nationally, nationally,
syndicated radio talk show host,and the National Operations
(00:39):
Director for the constitutionalsheriffs and Peace Officers
Association. Sam Bushman isback. Thanks for coming back.
How are you?
Sam Bushman (00:47):
I'm doing fantastic show. Thanks so much for having
me. Of course.
Jason Davis (00:50):
Thanks for being had. So I wanted to talk to you
about the Second Amendmenttoday. But before we get to
that, there's a few things thatI'd like to ask you about that
have happened since the timethat we scheduled this. So the
big one, of course, is thesearch warrant that was executed
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on President Trump's home, whicheverybody likes to call a raid
and somehow miraculously, thepresident who has an arm Secret
Service detail had no idea thiswas going to take place. What do
you think about this? Search forit? Sam?
Sam Bushman (01:26):
I'll tell you what I think I think it's absolutely
100% bogus. I think the FBIneeds to flat out be abolished
as an unconstitutionalorganization. I think they're
absolutely gone rogue, they'reinsane. And they need to be
clearly stopped by we thepeople, and I'm disappointed in
the Republicans for trying touse it to raise money for
campaigns, promising that ifthey get elected, they'll take
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care of it. My response is, youdon't wait for the next election
to stop criminal activity.
Either the Republicans need toadmit it, that is criminal
activity. And they need to takeaction now. Or they need to say
that it's not criminal activity,they can't have it both ways.
They can't say it's criminal.
And it violates the law, but yetwe're gonna wait till after the
election to do something aboutit. Now, that doesn't work for
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me. I'm not comfortable withthat. I'm not okay with that.
Okay. So I don't appreciateemailing me going, Oh, eight,
this hireable. And then, by theway, send me some money so that
I can get elected. And when Ido, I promise. I'll dig into
this for you and get to thebottom of we'll hold hearings,
we'll hold people accountable,will subpoena you will this
sounds great. But I don't thinkit has any teeth. I don't think
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it's real. I think they'replaying games. And I think
whoever does, that's part of thedeep state.
Jason Davis (02:36):
Yeah. And to your point, I mean, the same thing
kind of happened with the wholeObamacare thing. You know,
Republicans are gonna take overand get rid of this Obamacare
and what happened? They had thepresidency, they had both houses
of Congress. We're
Sam Bushman (02:51):
gonna lock up Hillary. Yeah, Trump himself,
we're
Jason Davis (02:54):
gonna lock her up and the day actually, they're
gonna
Sam Bushman (02:57):
get rid of the education department that's been
happening. I'm 55 years old.
They've been saying that sincemy whole lifetime. Do you know
that? Yeah.
Jason Davis (03:04):
So I mean, the Republicans, you're right.
They're all just a bunch ofrhinos. They're all essentially
it's just one big uni party, theRepublicans work against the
people to the benefit of theDemocratic Party. So it's all
just one big Cabal, you know. SoI totally
Sam Bushman (03:21):
accept that. You said it was the left right wings
of the same bird of prey. Right.
Jason Davis (03:26):
Exactly. Exactly.
Right. And the FBI to your pointis completely off the rails. I'm
not sure what we're going to beable to do about that. But I
tend to agree with you. And Ialso think it's really funny
that you know, Trump is runningaround acting like he didn't
know this was gonna happen,because I guarantee you he did.
Sam Bushman (03:47):
Well, and you got to really ask yourself,
honestly, somehow, and I don'tknow this and, you know, you got
to camp, you got three camps ofpeople in America, you got the
always Trumpers they believe inTrump, no matter what happens.
Never Trump errs. They hateTrump no matter what happens.
And then there's the realistslike me, who will give credit to
Trump when credit's due, butwill also attack Trump when the
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the job requires it. That'sright. And my question for Trump
is, you know, you had four yearsin office. What did you do to
get rid of the FBI, the criminalorganization? What did you do to
get rid of the IRS criminalorganization? And the answer is
nothing. In fact, as far as Iunderstand, Trump is the one
that really put the current guythere, right.
Jason Davis (04:33):
That's right. He did. And let's not
Sam Bushman (04:35):
act like that guy's the bad guy and Trump's the good
guy. Trump's the one that puthim there. Now understand that
the FBI is what under theJustice Department. It is and
the Justice Department's underthe president right? That's
correct. Okay, so I'm not justbuying that this crazy Rogaine
is you just went ballistic afterthe former president, and that
he's, you know, has noaccountability here. And let me
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give you a couple of quick news.
Apple's there's three names thatI think of when I think of the
FBI who've been abused by theFBI. And there was no real
complaining when it was allhappening. Now that it's the
Donald, it's supposedly like theworst thing in the world. But
think about it. Ammon Bundyliterally went to prison for two
years. And he was guilty ofwhat? Answer? Nothing, nothing.
(05:20):
Nothing. Where was Donald onthat one? It was during his
presidency, right? That's right.
Yep. Okay, well, here's the nextone. Who else besides that?
Well,
Jason Davis (05:37):
isn't there an Amish? There's an Amish guy sort
of in prison now, isn't there?
Sam Bushman (05:40):
Yes, there is. But the one that I was thinking of,
besides that, besides AmmonBundy is what about Vicki
Weaver. Now this was not onDonald's watch. But this is one
that you can point to is, Iwould say the most egregious
abuse you can find anywhere.
Vicki Weaver was at her home.
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And she was standing in thedoorway of her home, unarmed,
with a baby in her arms. Andlon, who are you chi of the FBI
murdered her in cold blood? Ifyou want the quintessential
proof of the abuse of the FBI.
That's it. Right. And it doesn'tget worse than that. Does it?
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Show? I don't think so. I don'tthink it gets worse than that.
Jason Davis (06:31):
It's pretty bad.
And I mean, of course, there'sbeen, you know, they were
involved with Waco and all thatstuff, too. But, I mean, you
know, this keeps
Sam Bushman (06:39):
What greater example, though, than murdering
an unarmed woman with a child inher arms standing in the doorway
of her own home? Yeah. Didn'tget worse than that. I don't
think. I don't know that I canpick one that's more extreme.
Okay. But did Donald do anythingabout that? No. So when Ammon
Bundy was attacked, Vicki Weaverwas attacked. What else happened
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on Trump's watch?
Jason Davis (07:03):
Well, let's see. He exploded the national debt. he
surrounded himself withglobalist for four years while
saying he was gonna drain theswamp.
Sam Bushman (07:14):
He did not lock Hillary up. He did not really
protect the border. Yeah, it wasbetter than under Biden. But we
didn't really stop the drugcartels and shut down the
illegal activity at the border.
Not even close. We didn't buildthe wall. We fast tracked the
COVID jab. So you got a bioweapon created on his watch and
released. Then you got the jabthe bio weapon supposed to
answer for that. And he fasttracked that and he's still
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defensive today.
Jason Davis (07:41):
I know. How about January 6?
Sam Bushman (07:43):
Oh, there's another one that happened on his watch,
too, huh? Yeah.
Jason Davis (07:47):
And how about all of his terrible Rhino
endorsements for office? Howabout how about his passing of
more gun control than Obama withfix Nicks? How about that?
That's
Sam Bushman (07:59):
right. Now, here's the question, though. What is
Donald doing to try to getpeople out of prison on January
6 that are innocent? I believeit's betrayed. We know now that
the Capitol Police knew theBlack Lives Matter. They did the
writing on purpose and thegovernment knew it. They were
bussing in rioters.
Investigative reporter PaulSperry and others are
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highlighting this they wereliterally wearing a bob. I'm
sorry, Trump hats, Magga hats,wearing all the Trump supporters
gear and they basically said,Hey, come. Let's make sure that
we get this blamed on the Donaldand his supporters. Hey, do you
okay, you got Jake Anjali, JohnSullivan, Ray Epps and others.
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Hey, those guys. Where's Donaldnow to expose those guys and
defend the true Trump supporterswho committed no violence?
Where's Donald to speak up andput money in attorneys up to
help his friends that helpedhim?
Jason Davis (08:58):
What about? What about Ashley Babbitt? Has he
said anything about that? Idon't think so. But I mean, he
was going he was still thepresident when that happened.
Sam Bushman (09:09):
Right. Okay, now, I don't know if you know, but Joel
Skousen of world affairs brief.
In one of his world affairssprays he put together an
antifade poster that that theyhad he put it in his world
affairs brief. It was for the2020 election basically, and it
features a picture of a manwhose face is partially covered
with a bandana. Of course he'swearing a maga hat. In the Magga
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hats worn backwards, he'sthrowing a Molotov cocktail. And
it says Election Day nearscomrades, prepare to defend your
rights on November 4. Don'tforget to describe yourselves as
patriots as Trump supporters.
This is what we're talkingabout. This is so known revolver
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magazine documented the video ofthese insurrectionists that were
all black lives matter BLMworking for the government. Just
like in an Bundys case, isDonald really highlighting any
of this guy really that ignorantof it?
Jason Davis (10:06):
I mean, for for about? No. Yeah, I mean, here's
the thing for the last year anda half or so, my take on him as
he's either the biggest idiot inthe world, or he's a globalist.
So, and he's in on it. So Imean,
Sam Bushman (10:22):
here's the deal.
All that happened under Trump.
Is this the beginning of theGreat reset, and it's taking
center stage by dishonestdeception, and then ultimately
by force if they must. Okay,that's what they're doing it all
kicked off under the Donald.
Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
Jason Davis (10:39):
I mean, you're absolutely right. And that
brings me to my next topic,which is the second amendment,
because if they want to do thegreat reset, as you just alluded
to, they have to take thefirearms. That's why in
Australia that just grabbed youand throw you in a camp
somewhere. But here, they can'treally do that, you know,
because people have a tendencyto defend themselves. So, of
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course, they passed the big guncontrol package. What was it
last week? I think, and and nowthere's talks of the UN small
arms treaty has resurfacedagain, again, another thing that
Donald Trump could havecompletely been away with when
he controlled the entiregovernment. Where do you think
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we're going on this two waystuff? And how do you think the
courts are going to come down onit?
Sam Bushman (11:28):
Well, the courts have been handing Joe Biden has
had uncertain issues. That's atleast some good news. You know,
you had BC before Crona, and ACafter Corona, right. But after
Corona, a lot of people who usedto not really defend liberty and
not really focus on thesethings, they're starting to
realize, hey, government can getso out of control. The lock down
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on the economy woke a lot ofpeople up the shutting everybody
down, the forcing people to getthe jab. You know, these things
are really waking people up. AndI believe that more and more
defenders of the SecondAmendment are here. And I don't
believe that they can get rid ofguns in America so quickly. I
know they're trying. I knowthey've tried for literally
decades now. But they can't getrid of guns in America. In fact,
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the greatest salesman for gunsright now is Joe Biden, right.
So I know that it seems dismal.
And I know that it seems likeour sides losing and to a great
degree we are because there'snot enough of us yet. Our
greater numbers, the sleepinggiant hasn't really awoken all
the way yet. But there areenough of us fighting for the
second amendment to where Idon't think there'll be able to
get rid of the guns so easy.
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It's one thing to outlaw guns,it's another thing to take them
from the population. And solet's hold on to that. And
remember where the FoundingFathers threw their line, they
put up with a lot of garbage fora long time. The Declaration of
Independence articulates theabuses they experienced the
train of usurpations, if youwill, but it was way before the
the Revolutionary War tookplace. I mean, they were dealing
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with this for decades upondecades upon decades. And where
they drew the line was when KingGeorge just said, Alright, I'm
coming for your guns. And theysaid, I hear not, that ain't
happening. And that brings meback to the cspo. A, the
constitutional sheriffs andPeace Officers Association
President Richard Mack. That'swhere he got his start. He beat
Bill Clinton to the SupremeCourt over the Brady bill, this
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same issue 25 years ago thisyear.
Jason Davis (13:19):
Yeah, that's right.
And that was probably the theonly reason that decision, right
there is the only reason westill have a second amendment
today, I believe. And it was,for sure. And it was the
greatest 10th amendment decisionever for states rights.
Sam Bushman (13:35):
I agree. And so I don't think they can do that so
easily. Of all the initiativesthat we at the CSPI have put
together, you know, sheriffshave stood up more with us on
the gun control, or the right tokeep and bear arms issue than
any other issue. We've had wellover 600 sheriffs uniting,
that's over 20% of the sheriffsin America, clearly saying no.
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Back in the day in the state ofUtah, where I live, there's 29
sheriffs total. 28 of them saidno gun control in our state.
That's not happening. We willnot work to take away the guns.
They push them try to take awaythe guns in Missouri. And a good
Sheriff right there. I don'thave his name in front of me
right now. So look, I'm notturning over that information to
the FBI. The FBI is a criminalorganization. I will not turn
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over anything to them. Even ifthey try to make me I'll get
arrested first. So sheriffs arewilling to stand on the Second
Amendment. And I think thepeople are too.
Jason Davis (14:26):
I hope you're right, because they just hired
87,000 new IRS agents, and
Sam Bushman (14:33):
we wouldn't even have the IRS to hire agents to
have Donald would have got ridof it like he should have.
Jason Davis (14:36):
Exactly. And wasn't heated. That's another thing
didn't Donald? Wasn't he aproponent of the flat tax?
Supposedly, didn't he wanted, hewanted it all on like one sheet
of paper, right, the wholething?
Sam Bushman (14:50):
Yeah. I mean, there was many plans at the time, but
everybody was kind of, you know,deciding that that was their
kind of token issue, but theyweren't serious about it. You
know, Ron Paul and Glenn Beckheaded up I read about this back
in the 2012 election cycle whenRon Paul was running for office.
And it was kind of comicalBecause Ron Paul got on Glenn
Beck show and said, Yeah, let'sjust abolish the IRS. And Glenn
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laughed at him and went, Oh, mygosh, Ron, you're such an idiot,
you know, you're a clown. Howare you gonna do that? How you
gonna pay for the government?
And Ron just smiled and went,you know what, you don't even
know what you're talking about?
Why don't you go research theissue? Anyway, Glenn Beck
actually did. And he came backand said, Yeah, you know, what,
we don't need the IRS to fundthe government at all. And so he
had the CRO, and he admitted onthe air to his to his listeners
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that he was wrong. And, and RonPaul was, right. It's so this is
the kind of ignorance that weexperience, you know, even when
our supposedly conservative talkshow hosts don't have a clue.
And Ron has to school them. Youknow, he's called Giuliani and
others as well, on the campaigntrail. Yes, to say, you know, I
don't know where Donald Trumpstands on everything. I'm not
here to attack Trump either. ButI am here to call spade a spade.
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When it comes to pro life,Donald has done a pretty good
job. I really appreciate him.
Well, you know what, he didlower some taxes, but nothing he
did has lasting change. 100needed to return to it. So under
the Democrats, we go towardssocialism and communism, you
know, 150 mph, under theRepublicans, we just go 90.
That's all we've slowed thetrain down, maybe. But we
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haven't turned anything aroundor changed anything. And Donald
didn't either?
Jason Davis (16:23):
Well, what they do is they they put us in a
position where the Republicansare constantly moving to the
left, and they put the voter ina position to where they're
basically voting for just thelesser of what they consider to
be the lesser of two evils.
Which is not a good thing,because then you have no
options. So Okay. On the onehand, the Republicans are kind
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of like rhinos, and they're toofar left that where they should
be. But what is my alternativeto vote for? itself about
communists like Bernie Sanders,like, what am I going to do?
Sam Bushman (17:01):
Well, if you go third party, you have no chance
because of all the laws that theRepublicans or Democrats have
put in, so the tech themselves,so
Jason Davis (17:08):
the game is rigged, they've already dragged us to
move to the left every electioncycle, and that's been happening
for 100 years. So how do youbreak out of that?
Sam Bushman (17:18):
Well, you first call fraud, fraud, and election
fraud, they claim, you know,that we make those claims
without evidence. But myresponse to you is this, if
Hillary Clinton funds a dossier,that is false narrative about
Trump's Russian involvement, andthey promote that dossier
against their candidate and oragainst if you're Brock, Obama
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helping out, you know, the nextpresident United States, and
then you not only squashinformation and make Trump look
horrible, but then you hideinformation using the FBI to
protect Hunter, and ultimately,the big guy, Joe, you've
committed election fraud rightthere. No one's denying those
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facts happened. And that'selection fraud. Okay, so in a
nutshell, we call election fraudwhat it is, and until we create
accountability, if there was 20million Americans demanding
accountability for those twoacts alone, we would have
accountability. But right now,there's only a few 100 that
really complained vocally,right?
Jason Davis (18:21):
Yeah. And it's, it's amazing, because like
giovane, Pulitzer, for example,who has all of the ballots from
from the Arizona election hasbeen all over media, laying out
the extensive fraud thatoccurred. And you know, the
Arizona Senate says nothing.
They say that, you know,everything's fine. And you know,
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there was a little fraud, but nobig deal. This guy has the
ballots, and he says there wasbig time fraud, and here it is,
here's how they do
Sam Bushman (18:50):
it. I'm not here to debate how much fraud there is.
I'm just telling you that are wegoing to prosecute fraud or not?
If not, at what point is fraudbig enough to prosecute, hey, we
only committed a few rapes. Wedidn't rape everybody. It's
okay. So that just doesn't flyfor people like me. Fraud is
fraud, and we need to prosecuteto the fullest extent of the law
period. You got a wouldn'toverturn the election, don't
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care, prosecute, don't lie tome, and pretend I'm Judge Judy,
and act like it didn't happen.
Admit that it happened,prosecute, build trust for the
American people in the system.
Let's go. And if it would haveoverturned the election or not?
Well, it depends on whichelection we're talking about,
you know, whether it would haveoverturned Donald Trump in 2020
in a given state, you know,that's debatable, but we can't
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let this happen going forward,or Nobody will have any
confidence in electionswhatsoever. That's exactly
right. Prosecute criminalactivity everywhere all the
time, shall we please?
Jason Davis (19:43):
Yeah, well, you got to convince all of the sheriffs
and all the prosecutors in thesebig city centers that are always
looking the other way becauseGeorge Soros got him elected to
actually do their job,
Sam Bushman (19:55):
right? Yes. So we've got to run a hole but the
only solution to My mind istwofold. One, we've got to have
moral people turn into GodAlmighty and repenting as a
nation. Number two, it's notgoing to happen until we get
great enough numbers. We don'thave to have the majority but we
have to have a loud minority.
This tireless, when they setbrushfires of freedom all across
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the country, we have got to haveenough of us and right now
there's just a scant few.
There's a lot of people thatsay, Sam, I agree with you. I
appreciate you being out thereon the front lines, buddy. But
then I look back, and I can'teven see you in the rearview
mirror there with me though,right. So that's the problem
that we've got. Yeah, shall weresolve that problem that will
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not get fixed?
Jason Davis (20:40):
Yeah. And you know, you've got people that would say
they agree, but they're the onesthat are still out there wearing
a mask or taking a shot or doingwhatever they have to do to keep
their job or keep their Twitteraccount. I mean, look, it's time
to draw the line in the sand.
And, you know, people need torealize that you're gonna have
to give up you're gonna have tomake some sacrifices.
Sam Bushman (21:04):
Well, and people call me all the time from
California or some of thesecompletely liberal just whacked
out as all get out states. Andthey're like, Yeah, my sheriff's
and I salute tyrant, what can Ido? And I eventually, you know,
say to him, Look, you're notgonna be able to make progress
there. You're just gonna have toleave, you're gonna have to
move. And they're like, oh, no,I was raised here. I think I'm
just gonna stand here and fightmy responses. Good luck. That
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conservatives like us are so fewand far between that if you
stand and fight, you'revirtually all alone. In some of
these, you know, liberal mechasthe only way to solve it is to
move to places where there'senough liberty loving Americans,
to elect good people to holdthem accountable. We're gonna
have to take liberty seriouslyin America.
Jason Davis (21:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. You know, it's
time to do whatever it takes andget where you need to be. The
founding
Sam Bushman (21:51):
fathers gave everything and we're like, Hey,
could you move? And they'relike, No, could you put 20 bucks
into a radio program or a TVprogram to help us fund and grow
are doing? Well, I would mymoney's tight this month, there
i Look, folks, if you're notgonna sacrifice, you're not
gonna have liberty. Libertyrequires sacrifice period. And
the paragraph?
Jason Davis (22:11):
Well, here's the thing. I know that within about
six to eight months, you'regoing to have these, you know,
first of the 87,000 armed pencilpushers. And by the way, why,
why do they need 87,000 armedpencil pushers?
Sam Bushman (22:28):
Well, in case you don't comply, see, it's all an
intimidation campaign, whetherit be the IRS, or whether it be
COVID, whether it be climatechange, what of all government
agencies are becoming armed, youeven have for the education
department. You know, we have avideo that was on the CSPA
website, where this black manhad his door kicked in, and they
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came in hauled him out. And hehad to sit there for like six
hours, it turns out that it washis ex girlfriend student loan
that was not paid. And this isthe kind of stuff with a gun.
It's just pure intimidationgoing on. And that's why they
won't go to an honest taxsystem. Look, you could fund the
government with butapportionment taxes and tariffs
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at the border taxes, and youwouldn't need any other money.
But see, there's no intimidationfactor
Jason Davis (23:14):
there. But wait a minute, isn't that isn't the tax
system a civil? You're notsupposed to really be able to go
to prison for an issue of afine.
Sam Bushman (23:27):
Well, I agree. But they take your house and throw
you in jail if you don't comply.
Jason Davis (23:31):
Well, they can put liens on your property and
things like that. Sure. Butreally, you're not really
supposed to be it's not really acriminal offense. It's
Sam Bushman (23:39):
not if you don't fight them, if you fight them,
then they turn it criminal andthey throw you in jail. Yeah,
there's a guy by the name of KenCromar, who's experiencing that
very thing right in the state ofUtah now. They took his house
kicked him out. And then hebasically went back into his
house. And then they basicallysaid that he was he was
trespassing in his own home andthat he stole property from his
own home. He's like, how do Isteal from myself?
Jason Davis (24:03):
It's unbelievable.
That Whose house is it? Right?
Yeah, it's unbelievable. I can'tbelieve it. So stopping this
locally, the key to that isobviously the sheriff's and
that's where you guys come in atthe Constitutional sheriffs and
Peace Officers Association. Youmentioned Richard Mack a few
minutes ago.
Sam Bushman (24:23):
Gotta live in a state where in the county where
the sheriff is willing to listento the people who's elected who
has authority. Now, there's alot of places back east where
there's sheriffs, but most ofthem have been turned into
pencil pushers, where they'renot. They don't have real
sheriff's authority either. Andso you've got to live in a
county where the sheriffactually has authority and power
and then where the sheriff takeshis oath of office and his
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protection of the people intheir due process. Seriously,
sacredly, and when you do youstart to get somewhere if you
don't, it's just trouble.
There's no one to protect you.
Yeah.
Jason Davis (24:57):
Well, the sheriff is the chief law enforcement
officer in the county. In moststates, so the ultimate
authority lies there. And thatthe CES POA, is doing a great
job of getting sheriffs trainedon the Constitution trained on
their oath of office. And youmentioned number over 600
sheriffs are which is fantastic.
I think how many shares do wehave in the country? A couple
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1000. There's about
Sam Bushman (25:22):
3080 80. Okay, maybe a couple of more. But
again, it's debatable becausesome of them don't have any
authority. It's a little bithard to call them sheriffs. For
example, if a sheriff waselected, we consider is a
legitimate sheriff. But somesheriffs I don't know if you
know, but they're appointed.
Well, when you start appointingsheriffs, now the answer to a
different group, those whoappointed them, right? It's a
little bit sticky, but there'sabout 3008.
Jason Davis (25:44):
Okay, so the key there is to get all the sheriffs
to take the CSP training, right?
So people that want to getinvolved want to learn how to
get their share, vetted, wantedto get the CES POA to come train
their Sheriff, how can theyreach you and get in touch and
help you
Sam Bushman (25:59):
see us poa.org Is the website, you can join and
become a member and you can thensee the weekly webinars the
posse that we have, where youcan ask myself and Richard Mac,
our President and other peoplequestions. There's a lot of
books though, that Richard Machas written from my cold dead
fingers is one of them. Thecounty sheriff America's last
hope is another Are you uh,David is another and these books
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and training materials, you canread yourself and then pass to
your sheriff to read. We alsohave the Richard Max Supreme
Court case where he beat BillClinton, the Supreme Court,
that's the greatest 10thamendment decision ever rendered
in America that you can get alittle booklet summary of that
case in the poignant points inthat case to help your sheriff
and other elected officialsunderstand that court case, if
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we were to use that court case,it would make all the difference
in the world. And then we haveyou know, a TV show that we do
we do radio shows where you canhear from sheriffs and and law
enforcement and peace officersacross the country, you can ask
us questions, and then thatmaterial can be used to help you
slowly but surely build arelationship of trust with your
sheriff will help you getinformation to your sheriff. One
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of the things that we created iscalled the cspo. A resolution.
We created it in 2014, with acouple of 100, law enforcement
and sheriffs, along withconstitutional attorneys,
Chrisann Hall, Michael peruca,myself, many others develop this
document. It's called the 2014cspo a resolution. And there's
that I bring that up as a it's agreat document that you can give
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to your sheriff and will he signit if he will. And then if
you'll stick with it publicly,then he's a constitutional
sheriff. If he won't sign it,then you got to ask him why. And
instantly, you start findingareas that he's not willing to
be constitutional. And if theysign it, but they don't obey it,
or they won't stick with it overtime, and or if they want to
sign it, you can use that andthe next election cycle is the
great campaign points forsomebody who will, they can use
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those points to say, Listen, Iwant to uphold these things. The
second amendment is center tothat document I might add. And
that way you can kind ofhighlight and say, Look, this is
what I'm willing to do as yoursheriff. This is what you know
what your current share forwhatever the company is not
willing to do. And it becomestalking points for those who are
running for office. So it's agreat candidate solution, as
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well as a vetting your sheriffsolution, as well as an
educational training documentthat we have. It's called the
cspo a 2014 resolution and it'savailable@cspa.org. It's free
download, but it becomes a greatsifter great virtual litmus test
for Who's Who are you aconstitutionalist? Are you a
patriot? Or not? Do you justtalk the talk? Are you willing
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to walk the walk? And thisdocument can literally put the
bullet points the issues on thetable to clarify that very
succinctly.
Jason Davis (28:38):
Fantastic. CS poa.org constitutional sheriffs
and Peace Officers Association.
Sam Bushman, thank you for yourtime. It's always a pleasure.
Sam Bushman (28:48):
God bless you, brother. And thanks so much for
you, and the work you do and forall your listeners. God bless
all of you. God bless you.
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Jason Davis (00:19):
Hey, welcome back to don't tread on liberty.
Thanks for being here. I'm JasonDavis. And we have a packed show
today, folks, and we're gonna bebringing you a lot of good
information as always, so I'mgonna bring in my guest, we're
gonna get right to it, becausewe're short on time, but he's
been on before you know who heis nationally, nationally,
syndicated radio talk show host,and the National Operations
(00:39):
Director for the constitutionalsheriffs and Peace Officers
Association. Sam Bushman isback. Thanks for coming back.
How are you?
Sam Bushman (00:47):
I'm doing fantastic show. Thanks so much for having
me. Of course.
Jason Davis (00:50):
Thanks for being had. So I wanted to talk to you
about the Second Amendmenttoday. But before we get to
that, there's a few things thatI'd like to ask you about that
have happened since the timethat we scheduled this. So the
big one, of course, is thesearch warrant that was executed
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on President Trump's home, whicheverybody likes to call a raid
and somehow miraculously, thepresident who has an arm Secret
Service detail had no idea thiswas going to take place. What do
you think about this? Search forit? Sam?
Sam Bushman (01:26):
I'll tell you what I think I think it's absolutely
100% bogus. I think the FBIneeds to flat out be abolished
as an unconstitutionalorganization. I think they're
absolutely gone rogue, they'reinsane. And they need to be
clearly stopped by we thepeople, and I'm disappointed in
the Republicans for trying touse it to raise money for
campaigns, promising that ifthey get elected, they'll take
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care of it. My response is, youdon't wait for the next election
to stop criminal activity.
Either the Republicans need toadmit it, that is criminal
activity. And they need to takeaction now. Or they need to say
that it's not criminal activity,they can't have it both ways.
They can't say it's criminal.
And it violates the law, but yetwe're gonna wait till after the
election to do something aboutit. Now, that doesn't work for
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me. I'm not comfortable withthat. I'm not okay with that.
Okay. So I don't appreciateemailing me going, Oh, eight,
this hireable. And then, by theway, send me some money so that
I can get elected. And when Ido, I promise. I'll dig into
this for you and get to thebottom of we'll hold hearings,
we'll hold people accountable,will subpoena you will this
sounds great. But I don't thinkit has any teeth. I don't think
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it's real. I think they'replaying games. And I think
whoever does, that's part of thedeep state.
Jason Davis (02:36):
Yeah. And to your point, I mean, the same thing
kind of happened with the wholeObamacare thing. You know,
Republicans are gonna take overand get rid of this Obamacare
and what happened? They had thepresidency, they had both houses
of Congress. We're
Sam Bushman (02:51):
gonna lock up Hillary. Yeah, Trump himself,
we're
Jason Davis (02:54):
gonna lock her up and the day actually, they're
gonna
Sam Bushman (02:57):
get rid of the education department that's been
happening. I'm 55 years old.
They've been saying that sincemy whole lifetime. Do you know
that? Yeah.
Jason Davis (03:04):
So I mean, the Republicans, you're right.
They're all just a bunch ofrhinos. They're all essentially
it's just one big uni party, theRepublicans work against the
people to the benefit of theDemocratic Party. So it's all
just one big Cabal, you know. SoI totally
Sam Bushman (03:21):
accept that. You said it was the left right wings
of the same bird of prey. Right.
Jason Davis (03:26):
Exactly. Exactly.
Right. And the FBI to your pointis completely off the rails. I'm
not sure what we're going to beable to do about that. But I
tend to agree with you. And Ialso think it's really funny
that you know, Trump is runningaround acting like he didn't
know this was gonna happen,because I guarantee you he did.
Sam Bushman (03:47):
Well, and you got to really ask yourself,
honestly, somehow, and I don'tknow this and, you know, you got
to camp, you got three camps ofpeople in America, you got the
always Trumpers they believe inTrump, no matter what happens.
Never Trump errs. They hateTrump no matter what happens.
And then there's the realistslike me, who will give credit to
Trump when credit's due, butwill also attack Trump when the
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the job requires it. That'sright. And my question for Trump
is, you know, you had four yearsin office. What did you do to
get rid of the FBI, the criminalorganization? What did you do to
get rid of the IRS criminalorganization? And the answer is
nothing. In fact, as far as Iunderstand, Trump is the one
that really put the current guythere, right.
Jason Davis (04:33):
That's right. He did. And let's not
Sam Bushman (04:35):
act like that guy's the bad guy and Trump's the good
guy. Trump's the one that puthim there. Now understand that
the FBI is what under theJustice Department. It is and
the Justice Department's underthe president right? That's
correct. Okay, so I'm not justbuying that this crazy Rogaine
is you just went ballistic afterthe former president, and that
he's, you know, has noaccountability here. And let me
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give you a couple of quick news.
Apple's there's three names thatI think of when I think of the
FBI who've been abused by theFBI. And there was no real
complaining when it was allhappening. Now that it's the
Donald, it's supposedly like theworst thing in the world. But
think about it. Ammon Bundyliterally went to prison for two
years. And he was guilty ofwhat? Answer? Nothing, nothing.
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Nothing. Where was Donald onthat one? It was during his
presidency, right? That's right.
Yep. Okay, well, here's the nextone. Who else besides that?
Well,
Jason Davis (05:37):
isn't there an Amish? There's an Amish guy sort
of in prison now, isn't there?
Sam Bushman (05:40):
Yes, there is. But the one that I was thinking of,
besides that, besides AmmonBundy is what about Vicki
Weaver. Now this was not onDonald's watch. But this is one
that you can point to is, Iwould say the most egregious
abuse you can find anywhere.
Vicki Weaver was at her home.
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And she was standing in thedoorway of her home, unarmed,
with a baby in her arms. Andlon, who are you chi of the FBI
murdered her in cold blood? Ifyou want the quintessential
proof of the abuse of the FBI.
That's it. Right. And it doesn'tget worse than that. Does it?
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Show? I don't think so. I don'tthink it gets worse than that.
Jason Davis (06:31):
It's pretty bad.
And I mean, of course, there'sbeen, you know, they were
involved with Waco and all thatstuff, too. But, I mean, you
know, this keeps
Sam Bushman (06:39):
What greater example, though, than murdering
an unarmed woman with a child inher arms standing in the doorway
of her own home? Yeah. Didn'tget worse than that. I don't
think. I don't know that I canpick one that's more extreme.
Okay. But did Donald do anythingabout that? No. So when Ammon
Bundy was attacked, Vicki Weaverwas attacked. What else happened
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on Trump's watch?
Jason Davis (07:03):
Well, let's see. He exploded the national debt. he
surrounded himself withglobalist for four years while
saying he was gonna drain theswamp.
Sam Bushman (07:14):
He did not lock Hillary up. He did not really
protect the border. Yeah, it wasbetter than under Biden. But we
didn't really stop the drugcartels and shut down the
illegal activity at the border.
Not even close. We didn't buildthe wall. We fast tracked the
COVID jab. So you got a bioweapon created on his watch and
released. Then you got the jabthe bio weapon supposed to
answer for that. And he fasttracked that and he's still
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defensive today.
Jason Davis (07:41):
I know. How about January 6?
Sam Bushman (07:43):
Oh, there's another one that happened on his watch,
too, huh? Yeah.
Jason Davis (07:47):
And how about all of his terrible Rhino
endorsements for office? Howabout how about his passing of
more gun control than Obama withfix Nicks? How about that?
That's
Sam Bushman (07:59):
right. Now, here's the question, though. What is
Donald doing to try to getpeople out of prison on January
6 that are innocent? I believeit's betrayed. We know now that
the Capitol Police knew theBlack Lives Matter. They did the
writing on purpose and thegovernment knew it. They were
bussing in rioters.
Investigative reporter PaulSperry and others are
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highlighting this they wereliterally wearing a bob. I'm
sorry, Trump hats, Magga hats,wearing all the Trump supporters
gear and they basically said,Hey, come. Let's make sure that
we get this blamed on the Donaldand his supporters. Hey, do you
okay, you got Jake Anjali, JohnSullivan, Ray Epps and others.
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Hey, those guys. Where's Donaldnow to expose those guys and
defend the true Trump supporterswho committed no violence?
Where's Donald to speak up andput money in attorneys up to
help his friends that helpedhim?
Jason Davis (08:58):
What about? What about Ashley Babbitt? Has he
said anything about that? Idon't think so. But I mean, he
was going he was still thepresident when that happened.
Sam Bushman (09:09):
Right. Okay, now, I don't know if you know, but Joel
Skousen of world affairs brief.
In one of his world affairssprays he put together an
antifade poster that that theyhad he put it in his world
affairs brief. It was for the2020 election basically, and it
features a picture of a manwhose face is partially covered
with a bandana. Of course he'swearing a maga hat. In the Magga
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hats worn backwards, he'sthrowing a Molotov cocktail. And
it says Election Day nearscomrades, prepare to defend your
rights on November 4. Don'tforget to describe yourselves as
patriots as Trump supporters.
This is what we're talkingabout. This is so known revolver
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magazine documented the video ofthese insurrectionists that were
all black lives matter BLMworking for the government. Just
like in an Bundys case, isDonald really highlighting any
of this guy really that ignorantof it?
Jason Davis (10:06):
I mean, for for about? No. Yeah, I mean, here's
the thing for the last year anda half or so, my take on him as
he's either the biggest idiot inthe world, or he's a globalist.
So, and he's in on it. So Imean,
Sam Bushman (10:22):
here's the deal.
All that happened under Trump.
Is this the beginning of theGreat reset, and it's taking
center stage by dishonestdeception, and then ultimately
by force if they must. Okay,that's what they're doing it all
kicked off under the Donald.
Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
Jason Davis (10:39):
I mean, you're absolutely right. And that
brings me to my next topic,which is the second amendment,
because if they want to do thegreat reset, as you just alluded
to, they have to take thefirearms. That's why in
Australia that just grabbed youand throw you in a camp
somewhere. But here, they can'treally do that, you know,
because people have a tendencyto defend themselves. So, of
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course, they passed the big guncontrol package. What was it
last week? I think, and and nowthere's talks of the UN small
arms treaty has resurfacedagain, again, another thing that
Donald Trump could havecompletely been away with when
he controlled the entiregovernment. Where do you think
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we're going on this two waystuff? And how do you think the
courts are going to come down onit?
Sam Bushman (11:28):
Well, the courts have been handing Joe Biden has
had uncertain issues. That's atleast some good news. You know,
you had BC before Crona, and ACafter Corona, right. But after
Corona, a lot of people who usedto not really defend liberty and
not really focus on thesethings, they're starting to
realize, hey, government can getso out of control. The lock down
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on the economy woke a lot ofpeople up the shutting everybody
down, the forcing people to getthe jab. You know, these things
are really waking people up. AndI believe that more and more
defenders of the SecondAmendment are here. And I don't
believe that they can get rid ofguns in America so quickly. I
know they're trying. I knowthey've tried for literally
decades now. But they can't getrid of guns in America. In fact,
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the greatest salesman for gunsright now is Joe Biden, right.
So I know that it seems dismal.
And I know that it seems likeour sides losing and to a great
degree we are because there'snot enough of us yet. Our
greater numbers, the sleepinggiant hasn't really awoken all
the way yet. But there areenough of us fighting for the
second amendment to where Idon't think there'll be able to
get rid of the guns so easy.
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It's one thing to outlaw guns,it's another thing to take them
from the population. And solet's hold on to that. And
remember where the FoundingFathers threw their line, they
put up with a lot of garbage fora long time. The Declaration of
Independence articulates theabuses they experienced the
train of usurpations, if youwill, but it was way before the
the Revolutionary War tookplace. I mean, they were dealing
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with this for decades upondecades upon decades. And where
they drew the line was when KingGeorge just said, Alright, I'm
coming for your guns. And theysaid, I hear not, that ain't
happening. And that brings meback to the cspo. A, the
constitutional sheriffs andPeace Officers Association
President Richard Mack. That'swhere he got his start. He beat
Bill Clinton to the SupremeCourt over the Brady bill, this
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same issue 25 years ago thisyear.
Jason Davis (13:19):
Yeah, that's right.
And that was probably the theonly reason that decision, right
there is the only reason westill have a second amendment
today, I believe. And it was,for sure. And it was the
greatest 10th amendment decisionever for states rights.
Sam Bushman (13:35):
I agree. And so I don't think they can do that so
easily. Of all the initiativesthat we at the CSPI have put
together, you know, sheriffshave stood up more with us on
the gun control, or the right tokeep and bear arms issue than
any other issue. We've had wellover 600 sheriffs uniting,
that's over 20% of the sheriffsin America, clearly saying no.
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Back in the day in the state ofUtah, where I live, there's 29
sheriffs total. 28 of them saidno gun control in our state.
That's not happening. We willnot work to take away the guns.
They push them try to take awaythe guns in Missouri. And a good
Sheriff right there. I don'thave his name in front of me
right now. So look, I'm notturning over that information to
the FBI. The FBI is a criminalorganization. I will not turn
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over anything to them. Even ifthey try to make me I'll get
arrested first. So sheriffs arewilling to stand on the Second
Amendment. And I think thepeople are too.
Jason Davis (14:26):
I hope you're right, because they just hired
87,000 new IRS agents, and
Sam Bushman (14:33):
we wouldn't even have the IRS to hire agents to
have Donald would have got ridof it like he should have.
Jason Davis (14:36):
Exactly. And wasn't heated. That's another thing
didn't Donald? Wasn't he aproponent of the flat tax?
Supposedly, didn't he wanted, hewanted it all on like one sheet
of paper, right, the wholething?
Sam Bushman (14:50):
Yeah. I mean, there was many plans at the time, but
everybody was kind of, you know,deciding that that was their
kind of token issue, but theyweren't serious about it. You
know, Ron Paul and Glenn Beckheaded up I read about this back
in the 2012 election cycle whenRon Paul was running for office.
And it was kind of comicalBecause Ron Paul got on Glenn
Beck show and said, Yeah, let'sjust abolish the IRS. And Glenn
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laughed at him and went, Oh, mygosh, Ron, you're such an idiot,
you know, you're a clown. Howare you gonna do that? How you
gonna pay for the government?
And Ron just smiled and went,you know what, you don't even
know what you're talking about?
Why don't you go research theissue? Anyway, Glenn Beck
actually did. And he came backand said, Yeah, you know, what,
we don't need the IRS to fundthe government at all. And so he
had the CRO, and he admitted onthe air to his to his listeners
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that he was wrong. And, and RonPaul was, right. It's so this is
the kind of ignorance that weexperience, you know, even when
our supposedly conservative talkshow hosts don't have a clue.
And Ron has to school them. Youknow, he's called Giuliani and
others as well, on the campaigntrail. Yes, to say, you know, I
don't know where Donald Trumpstands on everything. I'm not
here to attack Trump either. ButI am here to call spade a spade.
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When it comes to pro life,Donald has done a pretty good
job. I really appreciate him.
Well, you know what, he didlower some taxes, but nothing he
did has lasting change. 100needed to return to it. So under
the Democrats, we go towardssocialism and communism, you
know, 150 mph, under theRepublicans, we just go 90.
That's all we've slowed thetrain down, maybe. But we
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haven't turned anything aroundor changed anything. And Donald
didn't either?
Jason Davis (16:23):
Well, what they do is they they put us in a
position where the Republicansare constantly moving to the
left, and they put the voter ina position to where they're
basically voting for just thelesser of what they consider to
be the lesser of two evils.
Which is not a good thing,because then you have no
options. So Okay. On the onehand, the Republicans are kind
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of like rhinos, and they're toofar left that where they should
be. But what is my alternativeto vote for? itself about
communists like Bernie Sanders,like, what am I going to do?
Sam Bushman (17:01):
Well, if you go third party, you have no chance
because of all the laws that theRepublicans or Democrats have
put in, so the tech themselves,so
Jason Davis (17:08):
the game is rigged, they've already dragged us to
move to the left every electioncycle, and that's been happening
for 100 years. So how do youbreak out of that?
Sam Bushman (17:18):
Well, you first call fraud, fraud, and election
fraud, they claim, you know,that we make those claims
without evidence. But myresponse to you is this, if
Hillary Clinton funds a dossier,that is false narrative about
Trump's Russian involvement, andthey promote that dossier
against their candidate and oragainst if you're Brock, Obama
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helping out, you know, the nextpresident United States, and
then you not only squashinformation and make Trump look
horrible, but then you hideinformation using the FBI to
protect Hunter, and ultimately,the big guy, Joe, you've
committed election fraud rightthere. No one's denying those
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facts happened. And that'selection fraud. Okay, so in a
nutshell, we call election fraudwhat it is, and until we create
accountability, if there was 20million Americans demanding
accountability for those twoacts alone, we would have
accountability. But right now,there's only a few 100 that
really complained vocally,right?
Jason Davis (18:21):
Yeah. And it's, it's amazing, because like
giovane, Pulitzer, for example,who has all of the ballots from
from the Arizona election hasbeen all over media, laying out
the extensive fraud thatoccurred. And you know, the
Arizona Senate says nothing.
They say that, you know,everything's fine. And you know,
(18:42):
there was a little fraud, but nobig deal. This guy has the
ballots, and he says there wasbig time fraud, and here it is,
here's how they do
Sam Bushman (18:50):
it. I'm not here to debate how much fraud there is.
I'm just telling you that are wegoing to prosecute fraud or not?
If not, at what point is fraudbig enough to prosecute, hey, we
only committed a few rapes. Wedidn't rape everybody. It's
okay. So that just doesn't flyfor people like me. Fraud is
fraud, and we need to prosecuteto the fullest extent of the law
period. You got a wouldn'toverturn the election, don't
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care, prosecute, don't lie tome, and pretend I'm Judge Judy,
and act like it didn't happen.
Admit that it happened,prosecute, build trust for the
American people in the system.
Let's go. And if it would haveoverturned the election or not?
Well, it depends on whichelection we're talking about,
you know, whether it would haveoverturned Donald Trump in 2020
in a given state, you know,that's debatable, but we can't
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let this happen going forward,or Nobody will have any
confidence in electionswhatsoever. That's exactly
right. Prosecute criminalactivity everywhere all the
time, shall we please?
Jason Davis (19:43):
Yeah, well, you got to convince all of the sheriffs
and all the prosecutors in thesebig city centers that are always
looking the other way becauseGeorge Soros got him elected to
actually do their job,
Sam Bushman (19:55):
right? Yes. So we've got to run a hole but the
only solution to My mind istwofold. One, we've got to have
moral people turn into GodAlmighty and repenting as a
nation. Number two, it's notgoing to happen until we get
great enough numbers. We don'thave to have the majority but we
have to have a loud minority.
This tireless, when they setbrushfires of freedom all across
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the country, we have got to haveenough of us and right now
there's just a scant few.
There's a lot of people thatsay, Sam, I agree with you. I
appreciate you being out thereon the front lines, buddy. But
then I look back, and I can'teven see you in the rearview
mirror there with me though,right. So that's the problem
that we've got. Yeah, shall weresolve that problem that will
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not get fixed?
Jason Davis (20:40):
Yeah. And you know, you've got people that would say
they agree, but they're the onesthat are still out there wearing
a mask or taking a shot or doingwhatever they have to do to keep
their job or keep their Twitteraccount. I mean, look, it's time
to draw the line in the sand.
And, you know, people need torealize that you're gonna have
to give up you're gonna have tomake some sacrifices.
Sam Bushman (21:04):
Well, and people call me all the time from
California or some of thesecompletely liberal just whacked
out as all get out states. Andthey're like, Yeah, my sheriff's
and I salute tyrant, what can Ido? And I eventually, you know,
say to him, Look, you're notgonna be able to make progress
there. You're just gonna have toleave, you're gonna have to
move. And they're like, oh, no,I was raised here. I think I'm
just gonna stand here and fightmy responses. Good luck. That
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conservatives like us are so fewand far between that if you
stand and fight, you'revirtually all alone. In some of
these, you know, liberal mechasthe only way to solve it is to
move to places where there'senough liberty loving Americans,
to elect good people to holdthem accountable. We're gonna
have to take liberty seriouslyin America.
Jason Davis (21:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. You know, it's
time to do whatever it takes andget where you need to be. The
founding
Sam Bushman (21:51):
fathers gave everything and we're like, Hey,
could you move? And they'relike, No, could you put 20 bucks
into a radio program or a TVprogram to help us fund and grow
are doing? Well, I would mymoney's tight this month, there
i Look, folks, if you're notgonna sacrifice, you're not
gonna have liberty. Libertyrequires sacrifice period. And
the paragraph?
Jason Davis (22:11):
Well, here's the thing. I know that within about
six to eight months, you'regoing to have these, you know,
first of the 87,000 armed pencilpushers. And by the way, why,
why do they need 87,000 armedpencil pushers?
Sam Bushman (22:28):
Well, in case you don't comply, see, it's all an
intimidation campaign, whetherit be the IRS, or whether it be
COVID, whether it be climatechange, what of all government
agencies are becoming armed, youeven have for the education
department. You know, we have avideo that was on the CSPA
website, where this black manhad his door kicked in, and they
(22:49):
came in hauled him out. And hehad to sit there for like six
hours, it turns out that it washis ex girlfriend student loan
that was not paid. And this isthe kind of stuff with a gun.
It's just pure intimidationgoing on. And that's why they
won't go to an honest taxsystem. Look, you could fund the
government with butapportionment taxes and tariffs
(23:10):
at the border taxes, and youwouldn't need any other money.
But see, there's no intimidationfactor
Jason Davis (23:14):
there. But wait a minute, isn't that isn't the tax
system a civil? You're notsupposed to really be able to go
to prison for an issue of afine.
Sam Bushman (23:27):
Well, I agree. But they take your house and throw
you in jail if you don't comply.
Jason Davis (23:31):
Well, they can put liens on your property and
things like that. Sure. Butreally, you're not really
supposed to be it's not really acriminal offense. It's
Sam Bushman (23:39):
not if you don't fight them, if you fight them,
then they turn it criminal andthey throw you in jail. Yeah,
there's a guy by the name of KenCromar, who's experiencing that
very thing right in the state ofUtah now. They took his house
kicked him out. And then hebasically went back into his
house. And then they basicallysaid that he was he was
trespassing in his own home andthat he stole property from his
own home. He's like, how do Isteal from myself?
Jason Davis (24:03):
It's unbelievable.
That Whose house is it? Right?
Yeah, it's unbelievable. I can'tbelieve it. So stopping this
locally, the key to that isobviously the sheriff's and
that's where you guys come in atthe Constitutional sheriffs and
Peace Officers Association. Youmentioned Richard Mack a few
minutes ago.
Sam Bushman (24:23):
Gotta live in a state where in the county where
the sheriff is willing to listento the people who's elected who
has authority. Now, there's alot of places back east where
there's sheriffs, but most ofthem have been turned into
pencil pushers, where they'renot. They don't have real
sheriff's authority either. Andso you've got to live in a
county where the sheriffactually has authority and power
and then where the sheriff takeshis oath of office and his
(24:45):
protection of the people intheir due process. Seriously,
sacredly, and when you do youstart to get somewhere if you
don't, it's just trouble.
There's no one to protect you.
Yeah.
Jason Davis (24:57):
Well, the sheriff is the chief law enforcement
officer in the county. In moststates, so the ultimate
authority lies there. And thatthe CES POA, is doing a great
job of getting sheriffs trainedon the Constitution trained on
their oath of office. And youmentioned number over 600
sheriffs are which is fantastic.
I think how many shares do wehave in the country? A couple
(25:20):
1000. There's about
Sam Bushman (25:22):
3080 80. Okay, maybe a couple of more. But
again, it's debatable becausesome of them don't have any
authority. It's a little bithard to call them sheriffs. For
example, if a sheriff waselected, we consider is a
legitimate sheriff. But somesheriffs I don't know if you
know, but they're appointed.
Well, when you start appointingsheriffs, now the answer to a
different group, those whoappointed them, right? It's a
little bit sticky, but there'sabout 3008.
Jason Davis (25:44):
Okay, so the key there is to get all the sheriffs
to take the CSP training, right?
So people that want to getinvolved want to learn how to
get their share, vetted, wantedto get the CES POA to come train
their Sheriff, how can theyreach you and get in touch and
help you
Sam Bushman (25:59):
see us poa.org Is the website, you can join and
become a member and you can thensee the weekly webinars the
posse that we have, where youcan ask myself and Richard Mac,
our President and other peoplequestions. There's a lot of
books though, that Richard Machas written from my cold dead
fingers is one of them. Thecounty sheriff America's last
hope is another Are you uh,David is another and these books
(26:20):
and training materials, you canread yourself and then pass to
your sheriff to read. We alsohave the Richard Max Supreme
Court case where he beat BillClinton, the Supreme Court,
that's the greatest 10thamendment decision ever rendered
in America that you can get alittle booklet summary of that
case in the poignant points inthat case to help your sheriff
and other elected officialsunderstand that court case, if
(26:43):
we were to use that court case,it would make all the difference
in the world. And then we haveyou know, a TV show that we do
we do radio shows where you canhear from sheriffs and and law
enforcement and peace officersacross the country, you can ask
us questions, and then thatmaterial can be used to help you
slowly but surely build arelationship of trust with your
sheriff will help you getinformation to your sheriff. One
(27:04):
of the things that we created iscalled the cspo. A resolution.
We created it in 2014, with acouple of 100, law enforcement
and sheriffs, along withconstitutional attorneys,
Chrisann Hall, Michael peruca,myself, many others develop this
document. It's called the 2014cspo a resolution. And there's
that I bring that up as a it's agreat document that you can give
(27:25):
to your sheriff and will he signit if he will. And then if
you'll stick with it publicly,then he's a constitutional
sheriff. If he won't sign it,then you got to ask him why. And
instantly, you start findingareas that he's not willing to
be constitutional. And if theysign it, but they don't obey it,
or they won't stick with it overtime, and or if they want to
sign it, you can use that andthe next election cycle is the
great campaign points forsomebody who will, they can use
(27:50):
those points to say, Listen, Iwant to uphold these things. The
second amendment is center tothat document I might add. And
that way you can kind ofhighlight and say, Look, this is
what I'm willing to do as yoursheriff. This is what you know
what your current share forwhatever the company is not
willing to do. And it becomestalking points for those who are
running for office. So it's agreat candidate solution, as
(28:10):
well as a vetting your sheriffsolution, as well as an
educational training documentthat we have. It's called the
cspo a 2014 resolution and it'savailable@cspa.org. It's free
download, but it becomes a greatsifter great virtual litmus test
for Who's Who are you aconstitutionalist? Are you a
patriot? Or not? Do you justtalk the talk? Are you willing
(28:31):
to walk the walk? And thisdocument can literally put the
bullet points the issues on thetable to clarify that very
succinctly.
Jason Davis (28:38):
Fantastic. CS poa.org constitutional sheriffs
and Peace Officers Association.
Sam Bushman, thank you for yourtime. It's always a pleasure.
Sam Bushman (28:48):
God bless you, brother. And thanks so much for
you, and the work you do and forall your listeners. God bless
all of you. God bless you.
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