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Intro (00:02):
fighting back against the
left's non stop attacks on
liberty, freedom. And America,America. This is don't tread on
liberty. Jason Davis is on theair.
Jason Davis (00:18):
Hey, welcome back
to don't tread on liberty.
Thanks for being here. JasonDavis back in. We are now past
the midterm selection period hasclosed. And as you may have
known,Arizona is turning blue. So I'm
gonna have somebody that we'vetalked to in the past, but not
for a while, come back. Arizonabusinessman through
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constitutional patriot andformer US Senate candidate
Daniel McCarthy is back, Daniel,thanks for coming back. How are
you?
Unknown (00:48):
Great, Jason, thank you
for having me. As always, yeah.
Jason Davis (00:52):
Thanks for being
had. That's what I always say.
So. So the midterm selection isover. And as a lot of us have
been telling people over thelast, you know, a couple of
years, they didn't fix theelection system here in Arizona,
and they had ample opportunityto do so. And now everybody's
really surprised that CarrieLake has lost the governor's
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seat and, and, you know, fakeLake masters lost the Senate
race and all these other races,Secretary of State and so on,
and so forth. So just for peoplethat don't really know what's
going on real quick, let's givea synopsis of what's happened
over the last two years. Andthen I'll get into some of the
stuff that's going on presentday.
"Demand" Daniel McCarthy (01:35):
Yeah,
in my opinion, we're living
through, I call it Arizona thefrontlines of the technical
technocratic, Cold War or theyou know, you want to call it a
deep state takeover, whateveryou want to call it. It's it's
happening here in Arizona, moreblatantly than any other state.
In my opinion. I noticed itreally starting in, you know,
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really from Doug Ducey, hisreign of terror on you know,
before before all this started,but I guess, I guess, to catch
people up to speed over the lastcouple years, we didn't fix the
election systems. So theelection systems in our state
are very prone, they could becorrupted very easily. Because
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what counts, our votes aremachine counting. So every
ballot is counted by a machine.
And obviously, if you allow formachines that can be hacked
into, to count your votes, theycan simply just set up a
algorithm or set up a type ofmechanics to to manipulate the
vote however they want to, andthey can backfill it in with
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ballots very easily. This isn'tthis isn't that hard to figure
out? And I think for goodconservatives, you know,
Republicans, they can't fathomthe idea that their vote
actually isn't counting. So Ithink over the last two years,
what we witnessed was kind ofpeople in just substantial
denial. That what happened to mein 2020, what happened to Trump
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in 2020? Those were all just,you know, you know, just, it
can't really be and then I guessthey had to learn it again. I
don't know how many times peoplehave to learn this. The same,
same thing. Yeah, I know. Well,and of course, so what you're
talking about, let's like the2020 election, pretty much
everybody thinks that Trump wasrobbed. And you know, and then
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yet
Jason Davis (03:35):
no one is willing
to pass election reform. So the
Patriot party of Arizona, whichyou know, you're heavily
involved with, they introducedHouse Bill 2289, or what later
became House Bill 2289. To fixelections, so that was one day
one vote on paper precinctpolling hand count no machines,
right. And for some reason, theGOP here in Arizona, you know,
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the Speaker of the House, RustyBowers tried to block it, he
tried to kill the bill. And thenthe senate president Karen fan
would not bring this bill to thefloor for a vote. And then you
have all these other you know,Magga organizations like turning
point USA and you know, allthese others that didn't lift a
finger to help and actually raninterference to block this bill.
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And then they have the audacityto go online and try to gaslight
everybody that you know, theelections are rigged. So, so I
mean, what in the world I like,what is it gonna take for people
to understand that thesemachines hooked up to the
internet and give youproportional fractional voting?
I mean, it's built into thesoftware. What's it going to
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take for people to get it?
"Demand" Daniel McCarthy (04:46):
Well,
I'm glad you brought this up.
Okay. Because you reminded me ofwhat really has happened over
the last couple years. Let's goback when Carrie Lake reached
out to me. Before she haddecided supposedly to run, her
team reached out to Me we set upa meeting. This was this was
right at the time we had therusty recall going on. So for
those that weren't payingattention that that closely, the
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Patriot Party ran a recalleffort against rusty Bowers,
reason being is because weneeded to, we needed to get
rusty Bowers is out of there inorder to get our the bill that
Jason was describing, which is avery simple bill one day one
vote on paper in person, nomachines, no mail in ballots.
It's, well, it just brings usback to the voting the way it's
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supposed to be done. Well, westarted the recall effort,
because we knew thatstrategically, we were going to
have to have a valid recallagainst rusty Bowers, in order
to have a chance to get this lawpassed into law. Well, we went
Terry Lake came to me. She satdown in my office, by the way,
we sat there, and over a periodof an hour, which by the way, I
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have this, this wholeconversation recorded, I should
share it with you sometimeoffline, just so you have it.
But we sat with her for an hour.
I could tell within the firstfive minutes that she was
controlled opposition. She hasno idea what she was doing. She
was completely clueless. And notjust that. She was she was
surrounded by Obama people. Theguy that came into the meeting
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with her was an Obama guy. And Isaid, I said, Kerry, I said, do
you even understand who this guyis? I said, this is a joke. I
said, why are you even here? Imean, what are we doing here?
And it was it was a very oddconversation. But I did extend
her the opportunity. I said,Carrie, here's how you can show
the grassroots and the peoplethat your real. All you would
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have to do is use your yournotoriety, use your your fame,
and have to recall, help usrecall rusty Bowers and help us
pass this law. If you were to dothat, myself and many others
would gladly get behind yourcampaign. I mean, at the time,
mind you I was very seriouslyconsidering running for that
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position of Governor. Not underthe context set. Voting was
real, but because we just wantedto use the campaign to get our
to get our message out there.
That's why we campaign now atthis time, just so your audience
knows. That's a little sidenote. But the moral of the story
is, is that we went to Carrie,Carrie came to us we had this
conversation. We we pleaded withher to help us and she refused
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to do so not only did sherefused to do so like you said
her along with turning pointalong with Donald Trump, along
with many others that areeveryone's mega heroes. What
they did was they raninterference directly stopping
people from applying pressure onthe state legislative body to
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get these laws passed. We'vedone this before. So this isn't
my first rodeo getting lawspassed. I mean, I've been
involved with this stuff for along time. And we've done some
amazing things at the Capitol.
We know how to apply pressure onthe politicians to get them to
pass our law. There was if wewere going to change elections
in Arizona, it would have had tohave been done in the 2021
session. Or maybe maybe the nextsession, which again, we were on
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borrowed time at that point, butmoral of story is is that, you
know, no one no one that wassupposedly here to help
everybody was helping take Blakemasters. Okay, great example.
Blake, Matt. Everyone's like,oh, yeah, Blake masters. He's
going to help us. Blake Mastersis was running Governor do CS
PAC. Okay. There's a path thatGovernor Ducey is in control of
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Blake masters was running it inthe 2020 cycle. So everyone's
like, Oh, Blake masters, someoutsider, you know? No, he's
some probably closeted, whateveryou know it from he's Peter
TEALS. You know, buddy, youknow, they're, they're a bunch
of homos from from California.
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And, and to make matters worse,this is a guy that was giving
money to a gay couple inCalifornia, to the tune of about
$2 million or so I forgetexactly the exact numbers from
this pack that was supposedlydesigned to help Republicans in
Arizona. So that was that's whatBlake masters was doing. Right
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before he became everyone's megahero. And it's it's increasingly
frustrating, I don't mean to beso you know, obviously brash
about it, it just gets to thepoint where these candidates are
fake. The The system is designedto, to fake people. It's we have
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to be smarter. We have to besmarter. And unfortunately,
right now, we're playing catchup.
Jason Davis (09:38):
And it's,
Unknown (09:39):
it's hard to do you
know.
Jason Davis (09:42):
Yeah, so that
brings me to where we're at
today. So essentially, you havebasically what I see as to two
kind of groups of people outthere right now. You've got
people that still like all oversocial media today, and you
know, my audience, I'm gettingcalm. And some things like that
all the time. People still thinkthat they're going to, you know,
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call Sheriff lamb or, you know,Donald Trump's going to call the
military and take control ofwhich is totally absurd. I mean,
and, you know, these peoplestill think there's going to be
accountability. Even thoughwe're still voting on the same
system that we used in 2020. Andthis is not just in Arizona, I
want everybody know that this ishappening all over the country.
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Okay, this is not just anArizona thing. But they still
think that, you know, somehow,we just have to vote harder, or,
you know, somehow there's goingto be accountability. So you
have those people. So then youhave those people. And now you
have an emerging group, a secondgroup of people that's emerging.
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And just to be completelytransparent, I find myself in
the second group myself. Idon't, because you just nailed
it right on the head. I mean,the whole system is fake, the
candidates are fake, theelections are fake. So voting is
fake. And I'm at the point nowwhere, like, I don't really see
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any point in voting. Maybe youcan convince me otherwise. But
if that's the case, and that'swhere a lot of these people are
starting to kind of move towhere do we go from there?
Unknown (11:27):
Okay, this is a great
question. Um, it's why I've, if
you've anybody that's beenwatching my social media, if you
can find it, I mean, it's soshadowbanned. But if you can
follow me on social media,you'll see what I've been trying
to promote. We have to take overthe executive branch of the
federal government, by way oftaking over the presidency, we
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have to do it in 2024. And wehave to take the next two years
and build in win the hearts andminds of as many Americans as
possible, and give them thestomach for what we're going to
have to do because we can do itpeaceably. And politically, I'm
not I would never advocate foranything other than that. So the
way that has to be done is, isunderstanding that the state
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legislative bodies of eachindividual state, they are the
ones that actually select whichelectors go to DC and select the
President of the United States.
So over the next, basically,we've got until, you know, we
basically got about a year fromfrom right now about a year and
a couple of months, where wehave to educate as many people
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as quickly as possible that theyhave to get their state
legislative body, to select thecorrect person, to run our
country and get us out of thismess as quickly as possible. We
really need at this time, weneed up up a surgeon that has
never performed this surgerybefore because this surgery has
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never been performed before inhuman history. We need somebody
that can lead us out of thiscommunist insurrection. And make
no mistake about it. That'swhat's happening right now. And
if we have that person that iscapable of performing the
surgery, we need to elevate thatperson to the level of President
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of this country, and the onlyway of doing that is getting
every state legislative body toactually select that person,
because voters do not vote forthe president of the United
States you you by way of youvoting. It doesn't circumvent it
doesn't trump, the actual law ofthe United States Constitution,
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which is Article two, sectionone. So in Article two, section
one of the United StatesConstitution, this cannot be
bypassed by state law. Even ifyour state has a different law
on the books. It's actuallyNolan void. Your state
legislative body actually hasthe decision making ability of
who is sent, what electors aresent to select your president.
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So it becomes a little nuanced.
And trust me, it's a Hail Mary.
But it's why I'm very seriouslyin the process of considering
running for President becauseunfortunately, right now, I'm
looking very closely out thereand I don't see anybody out
there that can actually, firstof all be trusted to do it.
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Because I don't think anybodyreally understands the surgery
that that needs to be done. AndI know that's like I said, I
that doesn't satisfy the urge inthe primal instincts that I
think most Americans have. So inconjunction with a complete
educational campaign that has togo around educating citizens of
how we need to select ourpresident and how we need to
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select someone that truly canactually perform this surgery.
Simultaneously. We need toconvince people to get out of
these metropolitan cities. 90%of our population is sitting
inside of congested cities inthis country in those cities are
prone to be controlled,manipulated, in worst case
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scenario, fenced in, in, in inslave very easily. And people
say, well, that's, that soundscrazy. I mean, I think you saw a
round of it with COVID. And Ithink the next round from here
could be far worse. So my strongsuggestion that anyone listening
to this is, if you'recomfortable inside of a city, I
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would stop being comfortable.
And I would get out, I wouldhave, I would recommend to
everybody to find somewhereoutside of these major
metropolitan areas
Jason Davis (15:38):
to live. Oh, yeah,
there's no doubt about it. And
you're absolutely right. Andthat's, that's one of the main
goals of the great reset, if youread, they want everybody in
these big, smart cities wherethey can control everything that
happens and monitor you, youknow, 24/7. So I'm going to push
back on you a little bit. Withthree, there's three things that
come to mind with what you justsaid. So number one, you're
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absolutely right. According tothe letter, the US Constitution,
that is how the president iselected. So we have a vote in
the state, and then your statebody, you know, is going to
basically select the electors togo Now normally, that's the
result of the popular vote. Butthe failsafe there is in the
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case of fraud, your state body,your state legislative body has
the ability to override that andsay, No, there was a lot of
fraud, we're not going to sendthose were going to send a
different slate of electors.
That's what you're saying. Now,now, my first point to that is
number one, that is correct. Butnumber one, they don't they
haven't followed the USConstitution in you know,
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probably probably 80 years,everything, you know, every
about 98% of what the federalgovernment does is actually
unconstitutional. So theConstitution has completely
failed to do the things thatit's supposed to do. So why
should we believe that that'sgoing to work? And on top of
that, this just happened and wetried to do it. You were down
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there, you tried to make thathappen in 2020, you tried to get
our slate body to send the Trumpelectors. And we saw what
happened. So how is that goingto work? If that's the plan?
Unknown (17:20):
I listen, I'm with you,
100%. I think it's a Hail Mary.
I think in many ways, thechallenge for all of us is
internally figuring out how wecan justify working as hard as
what we need to work over thenext couple years, from the
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standpoint of just educatingpeople, or the standpoint of
making the sacrifices that wehave to make. And I know that
this is I know that for a lot ofpeople, it's like they feel like
you do like, what's the point?
We've already tried this. But Iwant to ask everyone listening
to this. Did we try as hard aswe could have? Did we do
everything we could? Did we didwe? Did we put ourselves in the
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position that our that ourforefathers did in the in the
founders of our countries didwhere they were they were able
to make an appeal to heaven?
Because here's what I'll tellyou is is that if that if we
can't answer that question andsay, Yes, I did everything I
possibly could I did everythingpossible that we possibly could
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politically, then we mustcontinue that fight. And we must
continue to fight politically,because that's the only way that
we're going to be able to makethat appeal. And I strongly
advise everyone listening tothis to it is we have to, we
have to remember, Donald Trumpwas an enemy, I'm sorry to break
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this everybody. He was neverreal. He was never, he was there
as a controlled opposition. Healways was that New York
liberal. So of course, ourefforts were going to be in vain
with Donald Trump because heliterally systematically didn't
do any of the things that hecould have done to claim his
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presidency for a second term. Ontop of that, during his first
term, let's go through the list,you know, $8 trillion, printed
off the operation warp speed,you know, we've we've changed
the culture of our world foreverwith the needles and the mask.
This is somebody who, on top ofthat created the first ever
national database, I can gothrough a laundry list of things
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that Donald Trump did in hisfour years of presidency, all
the while, he told you, he was aconservative, he was doing the
most liberal things in theworld. So with that being said,
Me, you know, in a lot of ways,God works in mysterious ways. I
still have hope that we can getthrough this because we're still
breathing. We're still talking.
We're still in the freestcountry in the world. To some
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extent, I mean, I understandwhere people could say
otherwise, but You know what,we're pretty free, you know. So
I still have optimism and Istill have hope. Because I think
with the right person at thehelm, and if we really have an
authentic real person there, wecan actually perform this
surgery politically, we do needto charge people with treason,
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though, let me just make thisclear. I want to I want to say
this, though, Jason, because Iknow a lot of people, I talked
to a lot of people about this,it's time to start charging
people with treason. There arethere are people that are
committing acts against ourcountry, and many of them,
obviously, are in Washington,DC. And I'm not suggesting that
these people shouldn't be heldaccountable. But in the moral,
the story is until we can seizecontrol. We have to do
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everything in our power to do sopolitically.
Jason Davis (20:45):
Yeah, no, there's
no doubt. And I'm glad you
brought up Donald Trump because,again, there's a huge, I mean,
probably 70% of anybody thatwould be on, you know, what I
consider to be our side of theaisle is still supporting Donald
Trump. And he no doubt is goingto run again in 24. They're
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already you know, he's alreadystarting to take shots at
DeSantis. And they're going backand forth at each other. So I
mean, you know, they're alreadysetting this up to happen now.
Now, I'm glad you brought it up.
Because you're right, DonaldTrump did a lot of questionable
things. Like you said, hepassed, you know, the first ever
gun database, I mean, more moregun control than Obama ever
dreamed of with fix Nick's, heexploded the national debt. As
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you mentioned, he, the warpspeed thing, I mean, was
terrible. And he still promotesthat to this day. As his
greatest, you know,accomplishment. And, you know,
for all the things becauseDonald Trump did some good
things, too. And for all thegood things that he did, none of
them were lasting. I mean, theyall got erased with the stroke
of a pen. So, you know, the walland the pipeline. were halted
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immediately when Joe Biden tookoffice. So, so I mean, anything
good that he did was not alasting Good. I'm glad you
brought it up. But I do believeI mean, do you think he went in
with good intention? And then hegot? No, he got corrupted. Okay.
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So you think he was it was justbad? Right from the get go?
Unknown (22:21):
Yeah, I think he I
think he's been groomed. I think
he's been groomed since for 3040years. I
Jason Davis (22:27):
think it's funny,
because you go in there. And he
goes in there trying to, youknow, talk about draining the
swamp. And then, you know, hesurrounded himself with, like,
swamp people for his whole term.
I mean, it's just, it's kind offunny. But anyway, so you're
right. You're right on thetarget with that. But what about
I mean, what about locally? Imean, don't we have the best
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chance on the state level?
Because of the 10th amendment tobasically just nullify anything
that the feds try to do?
Unknown (22:58):
Yeah, I think I think
we have an opportunity at the
state level, more so than we'veever had before. I mean, I think
that people are more awake nowthan they've ever been. It's
just how do we organize. That'swhy the Patriot party of Arizona
is so important. I think thatthe Patriot party, we need it,
we need to actually mobilizeinside of a separate party,
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outside of the Republican Party.
I'm obviously I dedicated atremendous amount of money to
the Patriot party of Arizona tohelp them get the signatures
they need in order to become aparty, they have the signatures
to become a party. Butstrategically they withheld
those signatures from this lastcycle, because they didn't want
to be the blame of what why thiswas going to happen. And
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obviously you can imagine rightnow, if there was a patriot
party, we would have been theblame of what happened here.
Right. So I think strategically,it was wise to sit out this
election cycle and let peopleexperience this one more time.
So that was the rationale behindthat. Now that we're here, I am
strongly advising and I'm, I'mencouraging the Patriot party to
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turn in their signatures becomerecognized as a as a party
quickly, as quickly as possible.
And then from there, we will goon a campaign to attempt to get
as many people to leave theRepublican Party in Arizona,
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this is just an Arizona party,by the way, leave the Republican
Party of Arizona and during thePatriot party of Arizona, and
the reason we need to do that isbecause we must, we must punish
the Republican Party for whatthey've done. And you know, you
again, it's it's a politicaloption that we need to have that
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we need to do immediately.
Jason Davis (24:51):
Well, you what you
have here is you have a lot and
what you're alluding to is thefact that you would have taken
the blame for splitting theVote, right? That's what you're
talking about the Patriot partywould have been blamed for the
big Republican loss because theysplit the vote. Okay. Okay, so
and people are still going tothink that way. I mean, even to
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this day, people still thinkthat way. Here's what I would
say. Even George Washington saidthat a two party system would
destroy America. So, these twoparties, what people need to
really understand is bothparties are working to the same
end. They're two sides of thesame coin. They're, you know,
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it's like a, it's like a movie.
I mean, you have the bad guysand the good guys, but they're
all just actors playing a part,for one goal. And so, you know,
I just, I wish everybody couldsee how the Republican Party
works against the Americanpeople, and actually enables the
Democratic Party to move us leftevery election cycle.
Unknown (26:01):
I think it's, well, I'm
sorry to interrupt you. But I
actually think the thing thatneeds to be described to people
is is this this goes back sincethe beginning of the Republican
Party, the beginning of theRepublican Party. If you look
back at the history, what you'llfind is, is Abraham Lincoln was
a fan of Karl Marx. Oh, yes. Imean, you know, so people,
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people look at the whole historyof the Republican Party, and you
start to realize what you'vebeen taught is maybe not
correct.
Jason Davis (26:30):
Oh, yeah. And I
mean, a Lincoln was an
abomination. I mean, you talkabout the Constitution, this guy
suspended habeas corpus, youhe'd locked up editors from
newspapers. The guy was acomplete I mean, I don't want to
get into I don't want to go downthat tangent today. Well, we'll
have you back and talk aboutthat some other time. But what?
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So last question. We all knowthat the elections are fake. And
they rigged the elections. Soeven if you run for president,
Daniel, how in the world wouldyou possibly get elected?
Unknown (27:06):
Well, we again, I think
it's a matter of inside the
Republican caucuses, each statehas a different process to
select the Republican candidate,obviously, I would have to run
as a Republican. And I wouldintend on running as a
Republican. But I would, youknow, use each state's caucuses
opportunity to try to, you know,do the right thing during the
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right manner. I think that whenI was in Iowa, I went to Iowa,
you know, a few weeks back on ona due diligence trip out there,
and the people of Iowa actuallytake the responsibility very
seriously. That's why you'llnotice, over the years,
different candidates have wonthe Republican primary in Iowa
that actually went on to win thepresidency. I'm not naive, but I
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think it's imperative that weuse this soapbox that comes with
a presidential campaign toeducate people as fast as
possible and win as many heartsand minds as possible to our
cause. I think God as a way ofworking through the system, and
working through things I do, Ithink our best days are ahead. I
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really, truly believe that. Ithink that once once we get
through this, as a country, weare going to see the next 5000
year leap. And I think thatwe're going to lead the world in
ways that we've never led theworld before. So I'm committed
to that, in my mind, I'm fixatedon this opportunity that we have
to have the most individualrights, the most individual
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freedom that any country hasever provided a human being
ever. And I just think that overtime, the Truth Wins. And, you
know, on our side, we have thetruth. So as long as as long as
you know, we can put together ateam of people on the ground in
each state that can that can dothe job. You know, Stranger
things have happened?
Jason Davis (28:56):
Well, I love the
optimism. I think that you're
right. I think that a key partof this is going to be God. I
mean, this country has got toturn back to God. We're under
judgment now for all the thingsthat we've done that have turned
our back on God and and, youknow, this country was founded
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with God in mind, and I think itonly works and even the founders
said, I mean, Republic is onlythis is only going to work under
a God fearing nation. And Idon't know if we've you we have
to win the hearts and minds butI think I think we have to get
everybody to turn back to God.
So
Unknown (29:40):
yeah, I You said it
very well. It's on we need a we
need a Christian revival. Thiscountry is bad as we need a good
leader obviously more so we needa Christian revival. So I think
if people you know if we canhumble ourselves to God in
repent, as a country and we cando Do that collectively. If we
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can do that together, I thinkwhat will people will be amazed
by is how quickly we can turnthis around. I think it's, of
course God wants to give us, ourcountry back. I think he's
waiting for us to do what weneed to do. So I appreciate the
opportunity, as always, and Ihope that for your audience out
there, I know you have a veryloyal, loyal audience. I would
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ask all of you to please watchour stuff. And if when we do
stuff, please help us outbecause it's not in vain. When
you help us out. There's morestrategy to what we're doing.
It's we have more thingshappening than just what you see
at the surface. So when you helpout our people on the ground
here in Arizona, it's in thankyou for helping Jason and this
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is the this is the type of mediathat has to get out there. So
please spread the word toeverybody. Because you're not
getting this anywhere else. Ipromise you.
Jason Davis (30:51):
Well, I appreciate
that. And, you know, to find the
Patriot party of Arizona, itstopped the rhinos.com stop the
rhinos.com. You can find Danielat demand. daniel.com Daniel
McCarthy, Arizona businessman,former US Senate candidate may
be future US presidentialcandidate Daniel McCarthy as
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always, it's a pleasure. Thankyou. Thanks, Jason. Yep.
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